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(Trascritto da TurboScribe.ai. Aggiorna a Illimitato per rimuovere questo messaggio.) Ho lavorato
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su The Big Takeover per Jack Rabbit.
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Aveva bisogno di fotografi ogni tanto e un
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giorno mi ha detto che i trasformatori stavano
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giocando al Café du Grand.
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Quindi li ho guardati giocare e li ho
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fotografiati.
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Dopo il show, ho pensato di parlare con
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loro e vedere se potessi prendere alcuni fotografi,
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forse dopo o qualcosa.
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Alla fine, stavo spostandomi sul muro e Paul
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è andato vicino a me e mi ha
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guardato e mi ha tagliato.
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Mi ha fatto un grosso sbattito sui lipi
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e ho detto «Oh, ho capito.
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Ciao!» E così ci siamo incontrate.
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Perché i trasformatori?
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Sì, ehm...
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Penso che dovresti cominciare.
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È una buona domanda.
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Per me, per me, molto di ciò è
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venuto dal Minnesota.
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Stavo andando su Hannapin, in Minneapolis, e Tommy
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Stinson stava andando direttamente verso me e sembrava
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che Tommy aveva i capelli rossi e grandi
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e aveva i pantaloni spessi e gli occhiali
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all-star e sembrava che stava andando fuori
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dal letto ma sembrava di stare 10 volte
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meglio di me e stava andando verso me
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e io gli ho guardato e ho guardato
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fuori, molto velocemente e solitamente, sai, ti piace
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vedere gli occhiali rossi ma c'è qualcosa
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di lui.
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Se gli avessi guardato troppo a lungo mi
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sarebbe sentito come se mi avessi sbagliato, sai?
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Perché avrebbe conosciuto, sai?
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Avrebbe conosciuto come mi sentivo e quanto erano
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grandi per me.
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Quando eri un fan di quella banda hai
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perso il tuo map, hai perso il tuo
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cammino e sei andato in un altro luogo
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sei andato in un altro luogo e poi
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hai trovato il tuo cammino Non è per
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tutti ma se è per te è una
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vita e non ti ridirai mai e mi
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piacerebbe che fosse solo conoscenza come non devi
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convincere tutta una generazione di persone che Bob
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Dylan è il migliore cantante che è successo
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in quel periodo non devi dirlo è solo
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capito e quindi è, sai ma è divertente
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dirlo è divertente essere una delle persone che
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conoscono e se Dylan solo vendesse 100.000
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record sarebbe ancora Dylan Allora,
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la mia prima ricordazione dei replacimenti è stato
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Peter Jesperson che è stato il odio usare
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il verbo tastemaker ma ha passato abbastanza della
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sua conoscenza della musica e della musica pop
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e la musica per i clienti di Orfolk
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Jocopus Una meravigliosa storia non come High Fidelity
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se l'hai visto la nostra storia era
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ancora più funky Orfolk era come un caffè
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non si beveva caffè ma tutti si sono
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spostati a guardare i record a sentire i
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tuni c'era una macchina di bottiglia che
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si spostava e costava 10 cento e era
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un club social Nella sua posizione nella storia
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le persone spostavano i tuni tutto il tempo
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ero lì il giorno ricordo vividamente c'era
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un piccolo ufficio dietro a notte mentre andava
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attraverso le regole per l'ordine del mattino
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ascoltava i tuni che aveva il giorno ed
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era il primo inclinamento che avevamo sentito su
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di loro che erano gli impedimenti che era
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il loro primo nome ha detto avete di
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tornare qui ora e ascoltare questo ho sentito
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il tape e ho pensato wow, questi ragazzi
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sono davvero fantastici Paul non era un dummy
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ovviamente perché sapeva dove Peter lavorava e sapeva
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che era il DJ a Longhorn e sapeva
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di Twin Tone se erate sui record di
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Twin Tone beh, questo era quello che la
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rock punk è arrivato in Minneapolis Il Bataclan
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si è aperto per un periodo molto corto
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e hanno come uno del loro musical guest
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una banda chiamata The Impediments e i The
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Impediments sono stati spostati dal palco prima di
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poter arrivare perché hanno portato l'alcol in
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un club non alcolico e stavo facendo le
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luci per quell'evento in particolare e non
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abbiamo avuto un show quella notte che è
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il primo show dei replacimenti Il nome dei
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The Impediments non ha mai durato non hanno
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mai suonato un gigolo sotto questo nome e
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sono venuti velocemente i replacimenti Penso che il
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primo è stato il show di Halfway House
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non è stato davvero aperto al pubblico e
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sono andato a una di queste danze a
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un posto chiamato Team House e questo deve
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essere l'anno 1980 e c'era una
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band che suonava chiamata The Replacements ricordo pensare
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a due cose molto vividamente la prima è
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che erano la band che ho mai visto
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e la seconda è che erano la band
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più bella che ho mai visto non potevo
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scoprire perchè è la cosa del punk rock
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che è male ma è così buona e
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si suonavano principalmente Johnny Thunders e i cover
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di Heartbreakers e Tommy aveva 13 anni e
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ricordo anche che aveva una grande decal sulla
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base a una danza sobria ovviamente una meraviglia
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di cose a venire ma non erano buoni
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a suonare gli instrumenti ma c'era qualcosa
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di così incredibilmente impegnante su loro che ero
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completamente convinto dal primo al secondo che erano
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la band più bella che ho mai visto
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nella mia vita a una danza erano?
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beh, hanno solo fatto uno set perchè apparentemente
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c'era un incidente nella stanza un incidente
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alcolico nella stanza e non erano chiesti di
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tornare per finire l'incontro negli anni 70
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c'era una stanza nel centro chiamata Jay's
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Longhorn e questo era l'epicentro della scena
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del punk di Minneapolis c'era la stanza
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dove alcune band nazionali o internazionali suonavano era
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come il CBGB ma più pulito mi ricordo
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la prima volta che li ho visti a
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Longhorn un sacco di buito per il show
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e vederli e questo era il loro primo
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pubblico spostamento mi faccio pensare ora aveva questa
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fantastica energia mi ricordo andando in la stanza
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prendendo il t-shirt e suonando tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto tutto
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tutto
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tutto tutto
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tutto
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tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto
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tutto
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tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto tutto
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tutto tutto tutto e
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usando il humor nero, un massimo strato di
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humor nero per farci ridere, sapete, le fabbriche
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di una società stupida Beh, c'è qualcosa
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di fantastico su Sorry Ma, Takin' a Ride
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Cioè, è come qualunque cosa che abbiano mai
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fatto, come qualunque cosa che nessuno abbia mai
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fatto Questa non ripete mai nessun rispetto e
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è una bellissima canzone è irreale solo la...
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la...
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la...
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la sorta di urgenza, tipo da-da-da
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-da-da-da-da i strani cambiamenti del
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coro, sono così dissonanti e perfetti E è
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anche una solo di chitarra perfetta, è la
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cosa più bellissima che Bob abbia mai fatto
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sulla chitarra Non c'è una canzone che
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faccia ciò che un cliente fa a me
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descrivere ciò di cui la canzone incompagna prende
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più parole di quelle che la canzone prende
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Sai, c'è una struttura di classe qui
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c'è un romanzo sai, c'è la
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frustrazione di un ragazzino tutto incapsolato in sono
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innamorato di una ragazza che lavora in un
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'azienda, non sono niente ma un cliente e...
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sai se-se potessi sederti e scrivere con
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un'economia di parole tutto il tempo, io
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direi che sarebbe un cielo, non è vero?
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L'attitudine di quel primo album è qualcosa
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che è impossibile di descrivere è qualcosa che
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non si potrebbe mai riprendere di nuovo perché
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è completamente nato da un gruppo che lo
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fa per la prima volta L'ho visto
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in la stanza di vestito e lui era
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completamente naco e era circondato da sacchi di
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roba e Carly stava lì con lui e
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lei stava tirando le cose da un sacco
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e le tenendo e lui diceva no Ok,
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quindi Bob è un tutu Cool è ciò
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che ho aspettato Corduroy sporco e un tutu
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Un tutu Mi piace il tutu Stava portando
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una schermata Prince 1999 e era una schermata
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di piccolo con la pelle stretta un tutu
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nero e non ricordo quale era il vestito
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di piedi, ma era una notte strana A
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volte portava un sacco di indagini sotto il
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tutu Ha portato una capa molte volte So
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che ho visto Bob in un sacco di
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roba, forse l'ho visto stando in un
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sacco di roba Ricordo che Bob Stinson stava
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in un sacco di roba Penso che aveva
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un sacco di roba e un tutu C
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'era un sacco di roba sul palco e
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di suddo lui stava nel sacco e stava
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suonando la solo e penso che si è
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scattato mentre stava suonando la solo e penso
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che non l'ha molto rilassato Dr. Seuss
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leotard sapete, il bianco, il cattivo, il bianco
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e le strisce rosse Rompito, si, di piedi
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a piedi, in tinfoil letteralmente, di piedi a
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piedi, in duct tape Ricordo il bagaglione Un
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po' più lungo, forse un po' più lungo
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Un vestito di casa Un po' come i
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vestiti della vostra donna di chiesa Facendo pirouette
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nello stesso tempo mentre stavano prendendo queste solo
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blisteranti Molto ugli Sì, sembrava fuckin'Carmen Miranda
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lì in alto e aveva una...
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una veramente...
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divertente...
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Sai, alcune persone hanno solo corpi divertenti Ha
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un corpo divertente e molti di questi lo
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avrebbero mostrato E Bob arriva in sacco di
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roba, in un sacco di roba senza scarta
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e una grande roba di calabri come quella
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che si trova all'estate e durante l
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'encore sta giocando in ritardo e sta...
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sta fumando mentre ha iniziato...
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ha sbattuto una...
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una strappa dalle sue...
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dalle sue ovare e poi ha sbattuto l
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'altra strappa e stava tenendo le mani fuori
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mentre stava giocando e Tommy è andato dietro
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di lui e ha spinguto le sue ovare
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e...
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cazzo, ho dovuto essere in fronte per farlo
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Sembrava quasi come...
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a un certo livello è stato un progetto
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di arte sbattuto con Bob che...
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che...
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che vestisce e così è stato un'arte
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di performanza a un certo livello E' stato
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su Paul e la banda che stavano performando
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ciò che volevano performare all'epoca non sto
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andando a prendere la canzone e sto mettendo
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questa emozione nella canzone è come, sto solo
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andando a divertirmi e se sto incazzato sto
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condividendo la mia angoscia con l'audienza o
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se sto avendo un po' di divertimento sto
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solo andando a divertirmi e non mi interessa
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e che non mi interessa è...
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la mantra è la...
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non mi interessa non mi interessa cosa ne
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pensate stiamo divertendoci non stiamo qui per divertirvi
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questo non è un spettacolo no, forse è
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un spettacolo non si tratta di essere un
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spettacolo si tratta di noi avere un buon
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tempo passare la notte fare un po' di
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denaro per poter fare il pranzo di domani
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Penso che Stink sia uno dei due migliori
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record americani mai fatti da nessuno ha belle
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emozioni e energia rara il record Stink che
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è davvero russo e brutto e e divertente
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e sembrava davvero come se fossero come sul
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nostro lato l'opera di inizio Kids Don't
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Follow con il this is the Minneapolis Police
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the party is over oh cazzo questo mi
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ha bloccato la testa questo è così bello
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beh, c'era una festa questa festa di
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rentro per un ragazzo chiamato Don Holshue un
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artista locale la polizia è venuta una volta
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e ha detto, sai non puoi se il
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liquore non è andato sai chiuderemo questo posto
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e quindi, ovviamente abbiamo detto, beh sai cazzo
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con te e sai andremo a bevere o
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dopo che una delle band ha suonato o
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prima di penso che le abbiamo viste sono
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andate in alto ma avevo registrato una delle
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altre band e la mia macchina ho guardato
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e in generale lo stoppero e ho notato
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che era ancora in pausa l'avevo in
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modo di pausa e poi e che era
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l'avevo collegato direttamente al PA con le
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mie altre cose quindi quando venivano camminando attraverso
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la stanza ho pensato oh mi chiedo se
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vengono a prendere i microfoni e ho pensato
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oh vengono a prendere i microfoni quindi ho
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appena raggiunto e ho stoppato e il mio
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grande momento in storia tu eri a quella
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festa quante poliziste erano chiamate per quello ti
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ricordi?
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io mi ricordo di essere molte ma penso
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ho appena parlato di questo perché ho visto
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Don e apparentemente lui ha detto che non
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c'erano solo come cinque polizisti la grande
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domanda anche è è quello Dave Purner cantando
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fuck you non so se è così o
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no ho andato in bus a scuola quando
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avevo 18 ciò che è strano da pensare
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in se stesso ma ogni frattempo da quell
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'album avevo questi bambini in seconda scuola e
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se erano ben comportati sul bus avrei portato
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il mio boombox e avrei suonato fuck school
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davvero a fuoco su frattempo e loro sono
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andati hanno amato è stato io ero il
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loro pilota di bus preferito per circa 5
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minuti e l'album così ottimo stavamo ancora
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preoccupati di molti risultati tornando e per salvare
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i bordi abbiamo pensato di stampare l'album
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per salvare il prezzo di stampa e i
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costi del giacchetto anche la novità di un
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stampo a copia di un itemo e aiuta
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la mifica e tutto il resto c'erano
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non so quanti copii erano tutti bianchi e
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quindi Paul ha detto Stamp it.
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I actually took a plastic fork and put
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it on to do kind of a fake
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UPC code.
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And the information on that originally was all
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done with potatoes.
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Where we would put a potato on the
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ink pad and then put it on stink.
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All the original red ones I think were
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all done with potatoes.
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With a potato?
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What was that?
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Somebody's old art background I guess.
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And you would carve George Stink backwards in
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a potato?
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And stamp it in ink.
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Who was carving?
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You know, I can't remember.
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Somebody was doing the potato carving.
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I was merely a potato letterer.
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It might have been a competition where we
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all got potatoes and had to do it.
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But, you know, it was just like any
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means to cut, you know, Twintone really didn't
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want to do the record and, especially after
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they had realized, you know, you do these
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EPs and it costs, all the costs are
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the same as doing an album, but you
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can't sell it for as much.
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So like it's a total, you know, money
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loser.
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Any way that we can cut corners to
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put it out.
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What's your favorite placement song?
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Go.
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The rumor that went around the neighborhood was
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that, you guys know how Tommy Stinson fucking
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quit high school?
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He went in there, man.
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He went into the principal's office with a
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boom box.
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He had a cassette tape with fuck school
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on it.
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You press play.
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He gave the finger to the principal.
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He fucking walked out.
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That was the story.
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Tommy, Bobby's younger brother, he was both the
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mascot and the emblem of what they were.
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He was the actual teenager whose alienation and
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chaotic rebelliousness Westerberg was articulating and enacting.
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Tommy was a kid, you know, he was
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12 or 13, you know, and so there
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were problems with him playing bars and going
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on tour.
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Peter had to be a legal guardian, so
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that he could go around touring the country
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and stuff because he was underage.
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You know, basically he grew up in rock
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and roll clubs, you know, most of the
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time sitting in the dressing room, sometimes sitting
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in the van because the club wouldn't let
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him in except for, you know, when they
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were on.
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Tommy was a little, the rock star.
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All the girls in my school and all
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the surrounding schools liked him.
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Girls used to stalk Tommy and just like
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make movies of him walking down the street.
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Tommy was a little snot.
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He was the sweetest little kid that you
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could ever imagine.
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He wasn't like a popular kid.
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He was the brat, but not a mean
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brat.
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I think Tommy's the best bass player that
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I've ever played with and I put him
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up in the ranks of like the three
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or four best in the world.
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You know, I still listen to Replacements all
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the time and his bass playing is one
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of the main reasons.
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I think he and Bob played a 10
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-string instrument together.
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I remember the first time singing with the
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Longhorn, we were all kind of like, you
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know, like, wow, who are these guys?
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You know, it's like, okay.
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We were kind of obsessed with playing hard
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and fast and these guys roll out and
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they're playing hard and loose.
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They were clearly the two reigning kings of
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the hill.
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They were kind of the Beatles and the
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Stones of American punk rock.
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I think that within the sort of Petri
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dish of Minneapolis music that these guys fed
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each other, yes, they were our rivals, but
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it wasn't nasty.
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I think both bands wanted to see the
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other band as the second best band in
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town.
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One of the things that both bands did
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was get out and just demonstrate that you
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can just be yourself and play really great
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music and not be bothered by, you know,
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trends or, you know, oh, I need to
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do this to be cool.
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It's like, no, you just go out and
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you just do your thing and you are
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cool.
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We didn't really give a shit about what
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anybody else thought about how we looked or
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what we sounded like.
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We were doing what we wanted to do.
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Well, it took two years for them to
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finally make it to New York and there
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was really nobody waiting in New York to
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see them.
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And there were about a hundred punk rock
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kids there and nobody liked them, absolutely nobody,
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because they didn't dress like punk rockers.
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There was probably about six of us really
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enjoying the show.
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So, aside from that, a lot of hardcore
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kids, no hair on their heads, standing around
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with their arms folded, scowling like, Grr, I
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don't know who booked this, this is terrible.
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I want my five dollars back.
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Give me my five dollars back.
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It seemed like they were a real gang,
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like they were a real band.
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There was something really going on with these
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guys, that they were having fun and didn't
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give a shit, and that was also part
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of it.
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But then, underneath it, you could hear that
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there were some really catchy songs.
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This record was made without anybody in mind,
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without any audience to cater to, without any
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record label to appease.
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This was music made purely for the love
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of making music.
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I was more of a babysitter for the
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session than I was a producer for the
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session, figuring out if Bob was going to
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do his lead guitar, he was really good
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after two beers, but he got really bad
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after four beers.
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And just learning the intersequences of everyone, what
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worked and what didn't work and so on.
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The band at the same time saw me
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as kind of the evil overlord, I think,
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and were trying to play games on us
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and so on.
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They were switching around on instruments and so
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on, pretending that I wouldn't know what was
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going on and stuff like that.
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So I think Paul and maybe Tommy and
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Peter Jefferson were up in the DJ booth
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with me, and they were hanging out there
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after the gig started and I was just
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playing records for the punks.
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And Peter handed me a test pressing of
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Hootenanny, which hadn't been released yet, and said,
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since you're into the band and you like
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our first two records, here, have a copy
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of this.
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I was like, wow, unbelievable, great.
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Hey, do you mind if I play a
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track from this?
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This is one of my favorite new bands
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and it would be great to hear it
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here in this massive sound system.
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And Peter said, sure, sure, we'd love it.
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And I said, well, I haven't heard it.
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What song should I play?
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And I think Paul said, well, you can't
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go wrong with the first song.
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And I thought, well, of course you can't
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go wrong with the first song.
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I mean, it could be like Kids Don't
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Follow, right?
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You know, this is obviously going to be
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this massive slam-bang great song.
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And I put it on, and of course
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it was Hootenanny.
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And I keep thinking, well, this is just
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the intro, right?
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I mean, this is going to get better,
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right?
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And the kids started booing.
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And I kind of kept glancing over and
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like, does this get started at some point?
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And they're just kind of giggling.
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And the kids are booing louder.
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I'm like, guys, I think I got to
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take this off.
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That was the first record really to represent
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all of their sides, even the sides that
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didn't show up live, like, you know, Paul
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by himself.
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A favorite song changes daily.
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If I had to go back to one,
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I keep going back to Heyday on Hootenanny.
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And it's because, hey, Bob!
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That song in two minutes is everything that's
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great about The Replacement.
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It's one, one and a half great riffs
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hammered home with reckless abandon at a speed
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that is faster than it probably should be
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played at.
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I love that song.
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I love that song.
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Love, love that song.
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I think it's the mix.
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I think it's the whole album.
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You know, it's that they're playful, they do
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an instrumental, then they do something with a
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drum machine, then there's this drunken cowboy song
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in the end.
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Yes, I would go along with every grade,
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although casual listening to Hootenanny suggests that maybe
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it could be better than a B+.
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Yeah, I mean, yes, that's a real possibility.
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It was like a club a little bit,
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you know, and Peter was like the club
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president.
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I think it's, you know, certain that all
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of The Replacements, certainly, and probably most of
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all, Paul and Tommy got a musical education
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through Peter.
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In Peter's case, I think he had a
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happy balance of the illusion of the band
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controlling themselves while at the same time being
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the hipster or whatever that they would take
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his suggestions to heart and make them their
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own.
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Peter, at his best, could only give advice
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and tell them what he liked and didn't
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like and play records for them that he
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liked to influence, to get influences in and
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stuff, show Paul, well, I like this because
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of this, I like this because of this,
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and just hopefully it would absorb.
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Peter was a master teacher more than anything
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else, and as long as the students were
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willing to take his class, it worked out.
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In the case of The Replacements, they were
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a very good class for Peter.
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Revelations about The Replacements for me were Paul's
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influences.
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He admitted that he liked Roger Miller.
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I says, what is it, it's the wordplay?
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And he goes, yeah.
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I remember a night at his house, listening
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to Every Picture Tells a Story by Rod
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Stewart, and we were just all going insane,
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saying it was the greatest record ever.
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I went over to his place, and all
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he was listening to was Miles Davis, and
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I don't mean just like Kind of Blue,
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I mean like Bitches Brew.
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Lots of T-Rex, of course, some Robin
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Hitchcock, I was exposed to Robin Hitchcock, I
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Often Dream of Trains was played incessantly.
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Tommy liked a lot of just, you know,
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top 40-ish kind of syrupy pop.
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He had the most pop sensibility of anybody
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in the band.
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I talked to Bob probably most of all
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of them, because he was really friendly.
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He was into a lot of classic rock
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stuff, and a lot of like sort of
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roots of punk kind of stuff.
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You could talk to him forever about sort
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00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:02,760
of, you know, Stooges or like, you know,
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Dead Boys or something, but you could also
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00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,920
talk to him forever about like Yes or
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00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600
something, or like sort of like Gentle Giant,
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or just like crazy prog rock stuff.
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00:29:10,500 --> 00:29:12,080
It's like, you know, there was like that
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00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,120
element of it too, which was like kind
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00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,200
of like, wow, dude, you're like punk rock
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00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,720
icon, you're telling me about Yes?
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It's like, are you kidding?
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Steve Howell's your favorite guitar player?
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But what's cooler than that?
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00:29:21,980 --> 00:29:23,560
How can you be more punk rock than
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like being in this super punk rock band
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and your favorite guitarist is Steve Howell?
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He definitely did not like what he called
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fluffy doodle music, you know.
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God forbid, you know, Mr. Mister would come
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on while we were playing pinball or something,
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00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,140
you know, he'd have to leave the bar.
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00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,400
There's a certain music that he just wouldn't
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00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,280
allow his ears to, you know, take in.
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00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200
None of them were Alterno kids.
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00:29:51,340 --> 00:29:52,880
None of them were, you know, listening to
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00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,940
Black Flag and crap like that.
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00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,680
In fact, frankly, they didn't have much use
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for that stuff.
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