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Elton John, up at Pinewood on...
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- ...what's the date?
- The 12th of...
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Twelfth of March.
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It's me, split track, 20...
Thirty-frame center track.
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There's the tone.
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Quiet, please.
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Here we go.
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It was the spring of 1994
and we were just finishing The Lion King,
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which would go on to earn great reviews
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and about three-quarters
of a billion dollars at the box office.
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Not bad for a group of artists
who were kicked off the Disney lot
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and an art form that was given up for dead
just ten years earlier.
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I produced The Lion King
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and the cast-and-crew premiere
was coming up fast.
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It was tradition for all of us
to get up on-stage
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and give warm thank-you speeches.
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But this time
I decided to film all the speeches instead.
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Whenever you're comfortable.
You are rolling?
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Yeah. Okay.
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With all the many varied businesses
this company is in, it is clear...
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It becomes clearer every day
that animation is its soul, heart,
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and most of its body parts.
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You guys have done an unbelievable job
over the last decade,
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culminating in Lion King,
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in pushing forward the company,
the culture and the quality of artistry.
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Congratulations from me,
from anybody who is not on this tape,
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from our board, our shareholders
and my children.
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Congratulations.
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- Thank you.
- Thanks, everybody.
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Thank you to everybody
for another absolutely incredible job
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on another marvelous movie on the way
to the next great movie.
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To an outsider,
it looked like a perfect world.
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- Thank you.
- But backstage,
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the tension had reached a peak.
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- Thank you.
- Okay?
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- That was it?
- Yeah, perfect.
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Even though it was the moment
of our greatest success,
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the wheels were coming off the car.
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This is the story of how we got there.
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Let's back up to the early '80s
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on the Disney Studio lot
in Burbank, California.
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The animation band is spreading
its holiday cheer to the employees
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with banjos and jew's harps,
as was the tradition.
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And that's me on the right,
trying to play "Jingle Bells" on the bass.
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Like so many of us,
I grew up on a diet of Disney films.
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And every four years,
I'd make a pilgrimage
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to the drive-in theater
to see their latest animated masterpiece.
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When I was 20, I got a job at the studio
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delivering artwork and coffee
to the animators
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and I felt like I won the lottery.
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This was the house that Walt built.
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Walt Disney, the toast of Hollywood,
the genius behind Disneyland
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and the producer behind the first
animated feature, Snow White.
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By the 1950s,
Walt was losing interest in animation
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and his attention turned
to live-action films,
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the new medium of television,
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and building the first theme park,
Disneyland,
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and planning futuristic cities
of tomorrow.
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By far, the most important part
of our Florida Project,
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in fact, the heart of everything
we'll be doing in Disney World,
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will be our Experimental Prototype City
of Tomorrow, Epcot.
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Walt died in 1966,
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but the studio still made sweet, harmless,
animated comedies for kids,
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supervised by his master animators,
the Nine Old Men,
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and produced by Walt's son-in-law,
studio head Ron Miller.
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I'm Randy Cartwright
and this is Ron Miller.
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How are you?
How are you?
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Good to see you. This is Randy.
Great way to start the film.
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Is this a new...? Your first commercial?
Ha, ha. Yup.
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What is this for?
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- Just home movie.
- It's a documentary.
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Home movie?
Documentary of the animation studio.
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Hi, Mom.
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Well, we're off to a good start.
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Here it is, April 9th, 1980.
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This is the past
to all you folks out there.
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And we're gonna go inside
and see what it's like. Come on.
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For some reason,
the halls of the Disney Animation building
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always smelled faintly of swamp coolers
and pencil shavings and old linoleum.
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This is the infamous Rat's Nest.
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Animation had been in
this slow downward spiral for a long time,
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even since Walt Disney was alive.
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As veteran animators retired, new kids,
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mostly from the Disney-sponsored school,
CalArts, filled the hallways.
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Why, Ruben, you're from CalArts also.
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Right.
And who are you?
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Me?
Yes.
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I'm John Lasseter.
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He's the cameraman.
He's leaving in a little while.
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Could I show you animation?
He's got six days.
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Could I show you animation?
This is animation.
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Could I flip something for you?
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This is it. Look at that. Peter Pan.
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- Oh, looks up and... Ah.
- Weird.
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It's better than the magic
we're making today,
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but we can't help that.
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We were full of a lot of pent-up youthful
creative energy that had to go somewhere,
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so it was channeled into things
like long lunches, volleyball games,
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the annual caricature show,
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and my perennial favorite,
the holiday show
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that starred Eddie Fisher and Doris Day,
for some unknown reason.
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I hate Zsa Zsa.
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This is one of our
animators here. This is Ron Clements.
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He's working on a scene of the Widow
from The Fox and the Hound.
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Magically, here is Mr. John-ald Musker.
Thank you, thank you.
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Another animator here
at the magic factory.
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- This is Glen Keane.
- Keane.
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He is a directing animator.
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I've been here since 8:00 this morning.
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- Hi, Tim.
- This is Tim Burton,
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another one of our people here.
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Ron Miller knew that
Walt's guys were retiring fast.
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He had to raise a new crop of animators,
but he was cautious about it.
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He got burned five years earlier
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when he entrusted a charismatic animator
named Don Bluth to lead the department.
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But Bluth polarized the animators.
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Some adored him
as the messiah of animation and others...
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Well, others thought
he was just another Walt wannabe.
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Ironically, Bluth himself
became disillusioned
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with the studio's Animation Department.
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So on his birthday in 1979, he resigned
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and took half the animators with him
to start his own studio.
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The bombshell set back the release
of The Fox and the Hound by six months
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and left Miller and the studio betrayed.
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It was this interesting
cross-generational thing
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where you still had a few
of these legendary Disney artists
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who were now in their sixties
and approaching retirement
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and then a bunch of young people
in their twenties
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who were really, really excited
and sort of passionate about this medium.
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It was thrilling to learn
from the masters.
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But there was a feeling like that somehow
we could be making better films.
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Around that time, the studio did a survey
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that revealed
a majority of teenage moviegoers
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wouldn't be caught dead
near a Disney movie.
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We were just waiting,
waiting for something, anything to happen.
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On Monday,
we reported that Walt Disney Studios
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was on shaky financial ground,
because of its troubled Film Division
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and weak earnings
from the Epcot Center in Florida.
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However, since that report,
there have been dramatic developments.
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In just four days,
Disney stock jumped 16 percent,
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topping off at around $58 a share.
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Analysts attribute the jump
to two factors.
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Splash, the youth-oriented comedy
about a mermaid in Manhattan,
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stunned Hollywood by racking up
over $6 million in its opening three days.
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That's the best opening for any movie
in Disney's history.
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Another surprise, the resignation of
Roy E. Disney as chairman of the board.
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He's Walt's nephew and son of Walt's
brother, the company's co-founder.
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The real heartbeat of this company was,
is and will always be the film business.
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Because from the film business
comes the ideas
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that then generate new things
in the parks.
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New promotions, new...
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A kind of a sense of continuing newness
about the company in general.
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And when that began to fail...
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And I actually, somewhere along the line,
began hearing things like,
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"Well, I don't think they really wanna stay
in the movie business,
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because it's not doing very well
and we don't really even need it anyway."
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And that gave me all sorts of problems,
because I, you know...
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I remember saying at one point,
"Well, if you really think that way,
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then what you're doing
is running a museum."
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People always talked
about Roy as the idiot nephew.
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That was his nickname.
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Nothing could be really further
from the truth.
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He was smart, unassuming and powerful.
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You could easily underestimate him,
but you did so at your own peril.
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In 1984, the corporate raider Saul
Steinberg turned his sights on Disney.
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He threatened to buy the company,
break it up and sell the parts for a profit.
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The board countered by paying Steinberg
a premium to buy back his shares.
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It was greenmail.
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For years,
Roy and his cousin-in-law, Ron Miller,
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sat across the boardroom table.
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And now the two were at odds
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with how the board was handling
the takeover threat.
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And we finally came to the conclusion
that we can't do anything on the inside,
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because I'm the lone voice of dissent
on this board.
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So I resigned
from the board of directors.
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And it got enormous amounts of attention.
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I had a stack the next morning
of phone messages
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that probably was three,
four inches deep.
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One of the messages in that stack
was Eisner.
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And I had known Michael
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because he'd come maybe a year
before that on to the board at CalArts.
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Michael wasn't an M.B.A.
He was an English major.
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He grew up in New York,
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where one of his first jobs
was programming kids' television for ABC.
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And Michael had an amazing
track record coming from Paramount.
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He'd had hits, Oscar nominations,
Terms of Endearment.
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He was a winner when he was hired
to come in and run Disney.
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He also was a man
who liked to blow things up.
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It was Frank Wells that gave Roy
the idea of making Michael the chairman.
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Frank and Roy were classmates
at Pomona College in the early '50s.
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I thought, you know,
Frank's more of a businessman
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and Michael is a little nuts.
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And the two together kind of in some ways
made me think of Walt and my dad.
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So we began saying,
"How would you two like to take this job?"
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There's been a management shake-up
in the Magic Kingdom of Disney.
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Two Hollywood studio executives
have been chosen
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to run Walt Disney Productions,
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the first time outsiders
have been brought in at the top.
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The Disney board of directors chose
Michael Eisner
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of Paramount Pictures as chairman,
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and Frank Wells of Warner Bros.
as chief operating officer.
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The first goal, really, of new management
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is gonna be getting back
in the movie business
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in a very serious way,
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in the sense of not only
just making movies,
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but coming up with new ideas.
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Their partnership really
made the company special.
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There was this perception that Michael
was a shoot-from-the-hip,
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back-of-the-napkin kind of guy,
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and Frank was very organized
and ran things in an orderly manner.
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But in many ways, it was the opposite.
Michael was kind of the sane one.
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And Frank, he did bold and crazy things,
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like swimming oceans,
climbing the great summits of the world
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and calling at 3 a.m.
to ask what Goofy's original name was.
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Please welcome my mountain-climbing
Disney teammate, Frank Wells.
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I figured out from this employee forum
what the difference is
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between chief operating officer
and chief executive officer.
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Chief operating officer is in charge
of doing dangerous things,
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like when I have to fly here
with Tinker Bell on a tiny wire.
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Chief executive officer,
he's in charge of funny.
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Frank?
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Hi, Michael.
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I came back to the company in 1984
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and, rather cavalier way at the time,
said to Michael,
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"Why don't you let me
have the Animation Department,
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because I may be the only guy right now,
with all these new people coming in,
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who at least understands the process
and knows most of the people."
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The state of the art at that moment
was kind of waning
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and the enthusiasm of the studio itself
towards it had not been real strong.
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So I just felt a little protective about it.
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And I was in John Musker's office.
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And I think it was Steve Hulett came in
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with the memo saying that
Ron Miller had resigned.
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And we were shocked
and it was a huge bombshell to go off.
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But I thought it was,
you know, terrific news,
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that maybe it meant that things were
gonna actually get better at the studio.
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And John, I think, felt the same way.
He seemed pretty excited about it.
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But Ron was worried,
in a sort of melancholy mood, said,
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"It could always get worse."
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It was an invasion from Hollywood.
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The parking lot was jammed
with BMWs and Porsches.
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And I remember interior decorators
tearing down walls
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that hadn't been touched since 1939.
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New Berber carpeting replaced
decades-old linoleum.
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I couldn't figure out
what's wrong with linoleum.
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I mean,
Walt Disney walked on that linoleum.
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Even the snack machines
were being torn out.
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Goodbye, vending machines.
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I had no experience
with Hollywood at that time.
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My experience was with kindly old men
with cardigan sweaters.
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And they would sit around
and pat you on the back.
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And here's these guys hollering foul
language in the middle of story meetings.
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And a splash of cold water,
suddenly a wake-up to reality.
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You're in the real world here.
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Hello. I'm Michael Eisner.
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And welcome to The Disney Sunday Movie.
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Michael Eisner is the
irreverent kid from the Disney generation
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who has taken over the toy store.
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The money alone
is right out of Fantasyland.
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His salary and stock options are worth
tens of millions of dollars.
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He may look every inch
the company chairman
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when he is taping the introduction to
The Disney Sunday Night Movie.
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But in fact, he's having more fun
than any other boy on the block.
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Look, Mickey.
Some of our friends are coming.
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Hey, Minnie.
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So one of the first things
that Michael did as CEO
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was to bring in Jeffrey Katzenberg,
his colleague from Paramount,
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to run the Film Division of Disney.
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Jeffrey got his start in
New York politics,
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working in the office of
Mayor John Lindsay,
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where his affectionate nickname
was Squirt.
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At Paramount Pictures,
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he studied in the shadow of Barry Diller
and Michael Eisner.
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And there his nickname was
the Golden Retriever.
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At Disney, he really had no nickname,
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because this was the place
where he could step out of the shadows
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and make his mark on Hollywood.
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I sought him out at Paramount.
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We'd worked together.
He was just fantastic.
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He was a worker. He was committed.
He was obsessed.
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He made relationships.
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If we found somebody good,
he would lasso him into our company.
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He did it at Paramount
and he did it at Disney and he did it great.
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So I always remember
my first day at Disney when I showed up
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and I went to Michael's office
and he said,
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"Come here,
I wanna show you something."
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And I walked over
and he was looking out his window.
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And, you know, from his corner,
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he pointed down
to the Ink and Paint building.
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He said,
"Do you know what they do down there?"
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And I said, "No."
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He said,"That's where they make
the animated movies."
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I went,"Really?" He said,"Yes."
And he said,"And that's your problem."
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The first culture clash happened
on a much-anticipated film
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that was years in the making
and millions over budget,
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The Black Cauldron.
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He's overwhelmed.
He'd be jumping up and down.
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Jumping, clapping.
He'd be like:
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The younger guys were really impatient
and anxious to show what they could do,
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but they felt
like they were being held back
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by the remnants of the old guard.
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While the older guys thought the kids
were brats and should get back to work.
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In the case of The Black Cauldron,
we started with five books
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and had to condense them down into one.
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In the first couple
of weeks I was at the studio,
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I saw The Black Cauldron.
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It was a very dark movie
and a very troubled movie.
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"This is just way, way, way too violent
and too scary.
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You have to edit
some of these things out."
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They said,
"Well, you can't edit an animated movie."
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I said,"Well, of course you can."
And they said,"No, you can't."
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Hey. No, you don't.
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Honestly, you would think that
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I was causing World War Three
at the studio,
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because I literally said,"Well,
you get the film and bring it to an edit bay
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and I'm gonna show you
how you edit an animated movie."
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I mean it.
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Jeffrey was hands-on, elbows-on,
sharp elbows-on.
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You never knew
if he was gonna hug you or kick you.
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He said in an interview around that time,
"We've got to wake up Sleeping Beauty."
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Then Joe Hale, the producer of
The Black Cauldron, was furious.
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"Who are these guys?"he said.
"Sleeping Beauty is awake."
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He was fired not long after.
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Black Cauldron cost $44 million to make
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and made less than half that
at the box office.
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And, to add insult to injury,
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it was beat out at the box office
by The Care Bears Movie.
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Oh!
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That day, Disney Animation hit bottom.
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This is Ron Clements again.
Hello.
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Explain a little bit about
Basil of Baker Street.
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Well, Basil of Baker Street
is about a little mouse
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that is just like Sherlock Holmes.
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One of the first things
Roy did was he arranged one day
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for us to be pitched the storyboards
for the entire movie.
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It's like going back to what animation
really is supposed to be.
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And for the better part of three hours,
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literally the entire movie
was pitched to us.
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You go through one storyboard,
then they bring another
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and you'd sit there for hours and...
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I couldn't remember
what was in the first storyboard.
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It was a very hard process for me
to deal with.
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I'd been used to dealing
in the script area.
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So when it was over, we all sort of said,
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"Thanks very much," and,"Great job."
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And Michael said,
"Walk back to my office with me."
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So we walked back.
On the way back to the office,
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he said,"What do you think?"
I said,"l have no idea."
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And he said, "Neither do I."
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I said,"Well, here's the thing.
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We have 175 people and we're
paying them every day to come to work.
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And we're gonna pay them
whether they make this movie
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or they don't make this movie, so I guess
we probably ought to make the movie."
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And he says to me,
"Well, that's exactly my feeling too."
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The live-action business was booming
and Jeffrey needed offices
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for his new stable of stars,
like Bette Midler and Robin Williams.
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He wanted the animation building.
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The news came down from the head
of animation, Roy Disney,
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announcing that the animators would have
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to move out of the building
and off the lot.
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What was going on here? I mean,
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this was the building where Walt Disney
made Cinderella and Peter Pan,
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and we were having to vacate?
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All there was was this memo.
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There was no meeting, no debate,
just a memo.
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I guess Roy didn't want
the confrontation.
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On our last day, 200 frightened people,
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the remnants of Disney's
once great Animation Studio,
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gathered on the steps
of the old Animation building
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for one last photo before we left.
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So to carry that forward
into the new building,
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which was in Glendale, not a great area,
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but the building itself was
such a gutted wretch of a building,
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with just cinder block and torn-up carpet
and barbed wire around it
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and broken bottles
on the crummy little parking lot.
376
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So, Ed, what are you doing nowadays?
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I'm just emotionally under my desk.
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Well, we were all pretty sure
that we'd be fired in a week or so,
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so we decided to celebrate
the apparent end of Disney Animation
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with a full-scale reenactment
of Apocalypse Now.
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We don't have long dark hallways
anymore. We got cubicles.
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The warehouse was an open plan,
so you couldn't really hide.
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It opened the place to frequent
and spontaneous communications
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in the hallways, in the men's room.
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Come on in.
Come on.
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The barriers were down.
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After the move, Jeffrey called a meeting
of all the animators,
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so the crew could air their questions
and concerns.
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So Jeffrey got up and said,
"Give me your best shot.
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Hit me in the solar plexus.
Ask me anything. I've got rhino skin."
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And somebody piped up and said,"We
don't think you know what you're doing."
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And I said,
"Look, I'm here. I'm not going away.
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And I'm more than happy to learn
and take the time and be educated by you.
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The fact is that the last couple
of animated movies made
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were not particularly good."
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The animation meetings
were usually scheduled,
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a lot of times, at 6:00 in the morning.
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And so, yeah, I remember driving
to go to those meetings.
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And then that sort of strange atmosphere
at that time of the morning,
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and hardly anyone is awake or around.
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He began calling meetings
for 8:00 in the morning on Sunday.
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And I think it was about the second one,
I was just angry.
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Because it's just such a total sign
of disrespect
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for a lot of very talented people
who are working their ass off for you.
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00:20:08,608 --> 00:20:12,186
And I said,"Jeffrey, we gotta have
these meetings at some other time,
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because I promise you, if you have
another one of these things at 8 a.m.,
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I'm showing up in my pajamas."
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00:20:19,904 --> 00:20:23,372
- Aren't you proud of it, Mr. Disney?
- Why, I'm so proud, I think I'll bust.
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00:20:23,392 --> 00:20:25,068
I think it was right around the time of...
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The Oscars were...
It was just around the corner.
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And he said,"You know, I'm not interested
in the Academy Awards.
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I'm interested in
the Bank of America awards," you know.
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"What the money these things pull in."
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And it was just absolutely the
worst thing to tell a room full of artists.
415
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It was so discouraging.
416
00:20:45,536 --> 00:20:47,259
Jeffrey, one day, he said to me,
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"You really need
to get your own Jeffrey Katzenberg."
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And I began thinking and thinking,
"You know, it's right.
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I can't do this by myself
and I'm not that talented anyway."
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So the call I made was
to Bob Fitzpatrick,
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who was in the Olympic Arts Festival
at the time.
422
00:21:01,024 --> 00:21:03,660
He says,"l think I have somebody.
I'll send him over to you.
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His name is Peter Schneider."
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I was living in a small
apartment with my wife and baby daughter,
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and she said to me,
"Go get a job," you know.
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00:21:10,272 --> 00:21:13,207
I was naive. I had no baggage,
no preconceived notions.
427
00:21:13,344 --> 00:21:15,180
I didn't care
what had been done in the past.
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00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,909
I knew that I could do no worse
than The Black Cauldron.
429
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,940
You know,
you can't fall off the first floor.
430
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,956
Peter was given the title
of vice president,
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which, to the insurgent population
of animators, made him the Man.
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00:21:27,712 --> 00:21:31,804
And the main weapon to fight the Man
was the dreaded caricature.
433
00:21:31,936 --> 00:21:34,124
Well, Peter was
kind of a scary thing, you know.
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A small frame, wiry, and, you know,
full of nervous energy. He was like, "Nyah."
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00:21:37,696 --> 00:21:39,671
He looked like he was about 15 years old.
436
00:21:39,808 --> 00:21:43,103
He had this perpetual smile
that everybody caricatured.
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00:21:43,231 --> 00:21:47,388
It was like this kind of wide-eyed,
predatory smile that really worried people.
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You'd go into his office,
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he would just sit all twisted up
like a pretzel. It was odd.
440
00:21:51,615 --> 00:21:54,796
And he had a little button that closed
the door behind you when you went in.
441
00:21:54,816 --> 00:21:56,620
When the door closed,
you'd kind of look back
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and see if there were scratch marks on it
or something like that. Ha-ha-ha!
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00:22:00,255 --> 00:22:02,316
When I got to Animation,
I knew I had a hundred days
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to change the culture
before it changed me.
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I was trying to empower people,
446
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to make them feel good about themselves,
to value the work.
447
00:22:09,632 --> 00:22:12,236
I brought in some of my own people
who'd worked for me in theater.
448
00:22:12,256 --> 00:22:14,677
Kathleen Gavin, Maureen Donley,
Tom Schumacher.
449
00:22:14,816 --> 00:22:17,336
- Sticky buns.
- Sticky buns.
450
00:22:17,472 --> 00:22:19,196
I brought in Lakers coach Pat Riley
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to talk about winning and teamwork.
452
00:22:21,312 --> 00:22:23,660
Peter picked apart every piece
of the production process.
453
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,728
Why are we punching time clocks?
Why are we making our own paint?
454
00:22:26,848 --> 00:22:29,932
Why can't we update our animation pegs?
Why don't we have more computers?
455
00:22:29,952 --> 00:22:31,152
What about training?
456
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,572
It had this feeling of a freight train
leaving the station at light speed.
457
00:22:34,592 --> 00:22:36,348
You betterjump on orjump off fast.
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00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,895
Most people got on and it was a wild ride,
an exciting time.
459
00:22:40,032 --> 00:22:41,747
There was this team-sport mentality.
460
00:22:42,016 --> 00:22:45,628
You can't play the game unless
everybody is firing off on all cylinders.
461
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,908
Even second string, you were hungry
to be part of this, to jump into the game.
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00:22:48,928 --> 00:22:50,892
There was an openness,
a permission, almost,
463
00:22:50,912 --> 00:22:54,709
to be critical about anything.
Anything but the Marketing Department.
464
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,732
Marketing thought that the title
Basil of Baker Street
465
00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:01,324
was a real head-scratcher
and they wanted to change it.
466
00:23:01,408 --> 00:23:05,237
So Peter sent off a memo announcing
that they were changing the title to:
467
00:23:05,376 --> 00:23:06,783
The Great Mouse Detective.
468
00:23:06,912 --> 00:23:09,611
The resistance was pretty
fierce and we all started trying things
469
00:23:09,631 --> 00:23:11,980
to get it to be our way
and it wasn't gonna change.
470
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,895
One of the artists got the bright idea
to send out a fake memo, in Peter's name,
471
00:23:16,032 --> 00:23:19,229
saying that now all the Disney films
will be renamed.
472
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:23,451
From now on, Snow White would become
Seven Little Men Help a Girl.
473
00:23:23,584 --> 00:23:27,544
And Pinocchio would be
The Wooden Boy Who Became Real.
474
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,265
Peter saw the joke memo
as undermining his authority
475
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,669
and demanded to know who wrote the memo.
476
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,896
The artists saw it as good clean fun
and kept the author a secret.
477
00:23:36,288 --> 00:23:39,190
They even sent it up to Jeffrey's office
for added amusement.
478
00:23:39,328 --> 00:23:40,876
Peter, I think his tires were slashed
479
00:23:40,896 --> 00:23:43,211
or somebody busted his window
in his car in the lot.
480
00:23:43,231 --> 00:23:46,580
Some, you know, really mature way
to handle the situation.
481
00:23:47,136 --> 00:23:50,070
Peter came in and put us all
in the screening room
482
00:23:50,208 --> 00:23:51,898
and just tore us a new one.
483
00:23:52,032 --> 00:23:54,999
That was the fabled
triple-veiner that Peter had,
484
00:23:55,136 --> 00:23:58,780
where, I mean, he was, like, levitating
and glowing, he was so mad.
485
00:23:58,912 --> 00:24:01,195
I think after that meeting,
we all kind of respected him.
486
00:24:01,215 --> 00:24:02,597
What I love is he didn't say,
487
00:24:02,688 --> 00:24:05,022
"Shut up.
If you don't like it, there's the gate."
488
00:24:05,055 --> 00:24:06,965
He said,
"We're gonna make great films."
489
00:24:07,104 --> 00:24:10,399
And Jeffrey just laughed it off
and said, "Don't even worry about it."
490
00:24:10,528 --> 00:24:13,868
And I think that cemented my relationship
with Jeffrey, in some weird way,
491
00:24:13,888 --> 00:24:16,108
and also cemented my relationship
with the artists.
492
00:24:16,128 --> 00:24:19,641
And as a bonus, the memo even ended up
as a category on Jeopardy!
493
00:24:19,776 --> 00:24:21,150
And finally, In Other Words.
494
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,692
In Other Words came about
as the result of a big foofaraw
495
00:24:23,712 --> 00:24:25,580
that occurred at the Disney Studios
last year
496
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,607
when the employees staged a minor revolt
497
00:24:27,743 --> 00:24:30,173
when they changed the title of
Basil of Baker Street
498
00:24:30,208 --> 00:24:31,590
to The Great Mouse Detective.
499
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,055
In Other Words for 300.
500
00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:35,672
"The girl with the see-through shoes."
501
00:24:35,808 --> 00:24:37,150
Marjorie.
Who is Cinderella?
502
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,480
Who is Cinderella? Good.
503
00:24:39,871 --> 00:24:42,970
The Great Mouse Detective was released
in 1986 to good reviews
504
00:24:43,103 --> 00:24:44,478
and respectable box office.
505
00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:46,747
But there was a new animation threat
in town.
506
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,080
Steven Spielberg.
507
00:24:48,192 --> 00:24:50,988
Steven loved the films of Walt Disney,
so he jumped into the game,
508
00:24:51,008 --> 00:24:53,212
teaming up with none other
than Don Bluth,
509
00:24:53,344 --> 00:24:55,440
the animator who kicked us
when we were down.
510
00:24:55,648 --> 00:24:58,201
That year,
An American Tail quickly became
511
00:24:58,336 --> 00:25:01,565
the highest-grossing
non-Disney animated feature ever,
512
00:25:01,695 --> 00:25:05,973
beating out The Great Mouse Detective
by over $22 million.
513
00:25:06,112 --> 00:25:07,967
Oliver...
514
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,076
That's funny.
515
00:25:10,208 --> 00:25:12,923
When I first got there,
Oliver and Company was being made.
516
00:25:12,992 --> 00:25:14,007
It had two directors.
517
00:25:14,144 --> 00:25:15,344
This is Rick Rich.
Hello.
518
00:25:15,456 --> 00:25:17,757
- This is George Scribner.
- I fired Rick Rich,
519
00:25:17,888 --> 00:25:19,116
who was belligerent to me,
520
00:25:19,136 --> 00:25:21,279
and kept George Scribner,
who sucked up to me.
521
00:25:21,344 --> 00:25:23,180
It seemed like the right decision
at the time.
522
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,818
People who like you get ahead.
523
00:25:25,951 --> 00:25:28,876
Peter brought his theatrical background
to the animation business.
524
00:25:28,896 --> 00:25:31,896
He demanded that filmmakers pick
their own teams based on talent
525
00:25:31,936 --> 00:25:36,126
and who they wanted to work with,
not on some form of institutional seniority.
526
00:25:36,255 --> 00:25:39,671
If you didn't have a strong point of view,
you disappeared.
527
00:25:39,936 --> 00:25:42,653
There was creative debate.
You had to defend your ideas.
528
00:25:42,784 --> 00:25:45,868
It meant that more drawings went into
the trash than went up on the screen.
529
00:25:45,888 --> 00:25:49,434
Throwaway drawings.
The drawings we just throw away
530
00:25:49,568 --> 00:25:51,692
- that don't mean anything.
- Tore it in half.
531
00:25:51,712 --> 00:25:55,542
These are the ones
that we didn't even use.
532
00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:02,619
Revisions. Every line a writer changed,
100 drawings go in the trash.
533
00:26:05,824 --> 00:26:08,541
And because the family name
is still the franchise,
534
00:26:08,672 --> 00:26:12,021
the company still produces
a few of those Disney animated features,
535
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,615
even though they cost a fortune
to create.
536
00:26:14,752 --> 00:26:17,141
The new one is an animated version
of Oliver Twist,
537
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,655
with Billy Joel and Bette Midler doing
the singing and barking and growling.
538
00:26:21,792 --> 00:26:24,988
But the finished film may well require
a half-million frames,
539
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,876
each one drawn by an artist at a total cost
of more than $10 million,
540
00:26:30,015 --> 00:26:32,830
more than it can make back anytime soon.
541
00:26:33,728 --> 00:26:36,030
Can you really afford
542
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,804
to do what you wanna do in animation
as much as you wanna do?
543
00:26:39,936 --> 00:26:42,205
The answer is no,
but we're doing it anyway.
544
00:26:42,336 --> 00:26:44,671
We have to do it in this company.
Have to?
545
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,687
We have to. That is our legacy.
546
00:26:46,912 --> 00:26:49,400
The animation area,
the full-length animation,
547
00:26:49,536 --> 00:26:52,251
you have made a promise
to do one film a year. Is that it?
548
00:26:52,288 --> 00:26:56,598
Well, Roy made it, so I'm...
We jointly made that one.
549
00:26:56,864 --> 00:27:01,981
Yeah, it's our intent
to make a new one every year.
550
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,394
Oliver will be the first in that group.
551
00:27:06,528 --> 00:27:10,270
And Little Mermaid, the following year,
is on schedule
552
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,629
to be released a year from now.
And we think we can do it.
553
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,727
We're accumulating more and more
and better artists
554
00:27:16,864 --> 00:27:19,995
and certainly more
and more experience as we go.
555
00:27:20,128 --> 00:27:23,543
Helping to feed the coffers in a big way
was a machine called the VCR
556
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,135
that could actually play movies
from a cassette tape
557
00:27:26,272 --> 00:27:27,930
in your own living room.
558
00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:30,934
The releasing of Pinocchio in video,
559
00:27:31,232 --> 00:27:32,709
Disney was never gonna do that.
560
00:27:32,832 --> 00:27:35,101
I thought that was carved in granite
561
00:27:35,232 --> 00:27:40,469
that they would be held in storage for
seven years and then released carefully.
562
00:27:40,608 --> 00:27:42,732
How was the decision made
to put them out in video?
563
00:27:42,752 --> 00:27:46,364
I don't think there's been any more
careful decision than we have reached.
564
00:27:46,496 --> 00:27:50,490
And we have reached it so far only
in respect to the one classic, Pinocchio.
565
00:27:50,624 --> 00:27:52,860
It's out now this summer.
It's doing very well.
566
00:27:52,992 --> 00:27:56,524
It's only after that that we'll slowly
decide what to do with the rest of it.
567
00:27:56,544 --> 00:28:01,400
And after all, a video release this summer
hardly is gonna affect Pinocchio
568
00:28:01,536 --> 00:28:04,394
when it's released theatrically
another seven years from now.
569
00:28:05,088 --> 00:28:07,708
Pinocchio went out as a trial balloon
and made millions.
570
00:28:07,776 --> 00:28:11,468
It was like a license to print money, since
there were no costs for the old titles.
571
00:28:11,488 --> 00:28:14,968
But that immediately upped the ante
to get more titles into the pipeline.
572
00:28:15,104 --> 00:28:18,519
So to find these new titles,
anybody, artists, secretaries, janitors,
573
00:28:18,656 --> 00:28:21,241
could come in and pitch their ideas
in a gong show.
574
00:28:21,375 --> 00:28:22,455
Some ideas, like Pocahontas,
575
00:28:22,591 --> 00:28:25,177
were green-lit
from a single drawing and a title.
576
00:28:25,312 --> 00:28:27,564
Others, like Little Mermaid,
were gonged at first,
577
00:28:27,584 --> 00:28:30,301
because it was too much like Splash,
but came back later.
578
00:28:30,432 --> 00:28:32,908
And there were all sorts of projects
being green-lit.
579
00:28:32,928 --> 00:28:35,691
A sequel idea called
Rescuers Down Under, set in Australia.
580
00:28:36,256 --> 00:28:38,124
Prince And The Pauper,
starring Mickey Mouse.
581
00:28:38,144 --> 00:28:39,421
And an old shelved project
582
00:28:39,552 --> 00:28:44,603
that Walt Disney himself considered
back in the 1940s, Beauty and the Beast.
583
00:28:44,736 --> 00:28:47,308
Not only does the ghost
of Walt Disney, the creative genius,
584
00:28:47,328 --> 00:28:48,757
keep Eisner awake at night.
585
00:28:48,896 --> 00:28:50,554
When he first came to the company,
586
00:28:50,688 --> 00:28:53,819
he discovered that executives routinely
made decisions by asking,
587
00:28:53,952 --> 00:28:55,286
"What would Walt have done?"
588
00:28:55,392 --> 00:28:57,835
To a certain extent, people,
somebody, would surely have said,
589
00:28:57,855 --> 00:28:59,596
"Walt probably wouldn't
have done that."
590
00:28:59,616 --> 00:29:00,998
We needed to break that cycle
591
00:29:01,087 --> 00:29:04,153
and we needed to get out
into the whole town.
592
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,531
The argument that says,"Some dead guy
is trying to run your operation."
593
00:29:09,664 --> 00:29:11,071
You can't do that.
594
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,687
I don't think Disney
is like the constitution.
595
00:29:13,823 --> 00:29:16,108
I don't think we have to preserve it
and put it in glass.
596
00:29:16,128 --> 00:29:19,224
I think it's a growing...
And if it's not growing, it's gonna die.
597
00:29:19,296 --> 00:29:20,588
Our name is a fantastic asset
598
00:29:20,608 --> 00:29:23,510
and it represents a terrific man
who was very creative.
599
00:29:23,648 --> 00:29:27,510
And I'd hate to be the person
who shot himself in the foot and ended it.
600
00:29:27,648 --> 00:29:30,380
I don't wanna leave that legacy.
I'd like to keep it going.
601
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,629
But I'd like to add to it.
I'd like to have new things.
602
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,134
What do you worry about?
603
00:29:35,264 --> 00:29:36,638
Shooting myself in the foot.
604
00:29:43,808 --> 00:29:48,565
Disney's net profits tripled since
1983 and the stock price is up five-fold.
605
00:29:48,704 --> 00:29:51,895
Disney people are proud to call
themselves a Mickey Mouse operation.
606
00:29:51,967 --> 00:29:54,060
According to most analysts,
the magic returned
607
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,620
with the appointment of Frank Wells
as president of the company
608
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,117
and Michael Eisner as chairman.
609
00:29:58,176 --> 00:30:00,780
Under Eisner and Wells,
the new Touchstone Movie Division
610
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,458
became a production powerhouse,
611
00:30:02,592 --> 00:30:05,309
turning out such hits as
Down and Out in Beverly Hills,
612
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,229
Ruthless People, The Color of Money,
613
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,978
and what amounts to a farm club
for feature filmmakers,
614
00:30:10,111 --> 00:30:11,573
The Disney Sunday Movie.
615
00:30:11,712 --> 00:30:14,462
1987 is off to a promising start
with the addition
616
00:30:14,592 --> 00:30:16,829
of the Michael Jackson attraction,
Captain EO,
617
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,440
and the DisneylGeorge Lucas
collaborative adventure, Star Tours.
618
00:30:20,576 --> 00:30:23,500
The live-action movies, the parks,
the merchandise were all on fire,
619
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,764
but Animation,
620
00:30:24,896 --> 00:30:27,547
well, we still seemed like a stepchild.
621
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,804
And I gotta say, I was very
nervous about where we were heading,
622
00:30:31,935 --> 00:30:33,845
where was the future of Disney going.
623
00:30:33,984 --> 00:30:38,621
It seemed to be being driven
by a maniac at the wheel,
624
00:30:39,296 --> 00:30:44,184
in terms of Jeffrey,
with his heavy foot on the accelerator,
625
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,222
driving full speed in a very crowded city.
626
00:30:49,728 --> 00:30:51,353
- Action.
- Aaaggh!
627
00:30:51,487 --> 00:30:54,060
An old development project called
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
628
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,375
shifted into hyper-drive when
Steven Spielberg became interested.
629
00:30:57,503 --> 00:31:00,089
You know, I have been influenced profoundly
630
00:31:00,224 --> 00:31:01,785
by the films of Walt Disney,
631
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,913
especially the films from the '30s,
'40s and right through the '50s.
632
00:31:06,048 --> 00:31:11,198
And I really feel that this is a movie
that we're making for Walt.
633
00:31:11,647 --> 00:31:13,687
Back to the Future director
Robert Zemeckis
634
00:31:13,823 --> 00:31:15,612
was signed to direct Roger Rabbit.
635
00:31:15,743 --> 00:31:18,220
Bob and Steven made up
the creative team on the film,
636
00:31:18,304 --> 00:31:20,279
while Jeffrey watched the purse strings.
637
00:31:20,416 --> 00:31:26,232
We always wanted the Disney technique,
the beautiful Disney animation,
638
00:31:26,911 --> 00:31:30,556
the great Warner Bros.
characterization.
639
00:31:30,688 --> 00:31:31,888
Yes?
640
00:31:31,968 --> 00:31:34,357
And Tex Avery humor.
641
00:31:34,687 --> 00:31:37,022
You know,
dynamite-down-your-pants type stuff.
642
00:31:37,152 --> 00:31:39,948
And the rabbit's like...
Doesn't wanna go back in and Hoskins...
643
00:31:39,968 --> 00:31:41,561
It was a trifecta of elements
644
00:31:41,696 --> 00:31:44,652
that Bob knew he couldn't get
from the Disney Animation Department,
645
00:31:44,672 --> 00:31:46,668
so he turned to animation veteran
Richard Williams
646
00:31:46,688 --> 00:31:48,165
to animate the movie in London,
647
00:31:48,288 --> 00:31:51,583
and Peter sent me to London
to ride herd on the animation.
648
00:31:51,871 --> 00:31:54,588
It was a real stomach punch
for the guys back in Burbank,
649
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,681
but the truth was nobody really thought
much of Disney Animation back then.
650
00:31:58,912 --> 00:32:01,532
The combination of Spielberg,
Zemeckis and Dick Williams
651
00:32:01,632 --> 00:32:02,679
was like a talent magnet
652
00:32:02,816 --> 00:32:06,591
and animators from all over the world
just flocked to the project.
653
00:32:07,296 --> 00:32:09,773
So now there was a unit in Burbank
and one in London.
654
00:32:09,824 --> 00:32:13,053
And Peter would travel back and forth
to rattle everybody's cage.
655
00:32:13,184 --> 00:32:14,199
When he was in London,
656
00:32:14,336 --> 00:32:17,324
he'd say how great the guys in Burbank
were doing on The Little Mermaid.
657
00:32:17,344 --> 00:32:18,358
Then back in Burbank,
658
00:32:18,495 --> 00:32:21,036
he'd brag about how great the guys on
Roger Rabbit were doing.
659
00:32:21,056 --> 00:32:23,020
Nobody had attempted a movie
like this before,
660
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,327
and the budget just soared.
661
00:32:24,352 --> 00:32:27,167
It got so heated that Jeffrey
summoned us all to New York
662
00:32:27,296 --> 00:32:30,535
to tell us that we did not have
one more dime to spend on this movie.
663
00:32:30,592 --> 00:32:32,152
No more money.
664
00:32:32,287 --> 00:32:36,076
Then we all took limos, helicopters to
the airport to fly Concorde back to London.
665
00:32:36,096 --> 00:32:38,635
He spent all this money on a meeting
to tell us we had no money.
666
00:32:38,655 --> 00:32:40,704
Animation...
It was a very Hollywood moment.
667
00:32:41,344 --> 00:32:44,440
Back home, Jeffrey was getting beat up
by Michael about the costs.
668
00:32:44,512 --> 00:32:47,417
We just had to put
a financial box around all this creativity.
669
00:32:47,808 --> 00:32:50,796
And without that, the end result
would have been complete chaos.
670
00:32:50,816 --> 00:32:53,533
It created a tremendous amount of friction
671
00:32:53,663 --> 00:32:56,697
and difficulty between Michael and I,
672
00:32:56,832 --> 00:32:59,180
not because he didn't believe
in the movie. He did.
673
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,102
Financially it just became so expensive.
674
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,404
And Michael,
who is fundamentally conservative,
675
00:33:05,535 --> 00:33:07,957
just got very, very uncomfortable with it.
676
00:33:08,096 --> 00:33:10,747
Cut. Let's do it again.
677
00:33:13,471 --> 00:33:16,505
And I was unable to control it.
678
00:33:19,392 --> 00:33:21,548
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
is one of those home runs
679
00:33:21,568 --> 00:33:23,244
that Hollywood hits
every once in a while.
680
00:33:23,264 --> 00:33:27,869
It's a movie like 2001 or Close Encounters
or especially like E. T.
681
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,334
that's a technical breakthrough
and a lot of fun both at the same time.
682
00:33:31,392 --> 00:33:32,651
Roger Rabbit made headlines
683
00:33:32,671 --> 00:33:36,763
and won Oscars for technical innovation
and returned just millions to the studio.
684
00:33:36,896 --> 00:33:39,277
The top talent on Roger
was shipped back to Burbank
685
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,142
and put to work on Oliver and Company
and Little Mermaid.
686
00:33:42,271 --> 00:33:44,972
It was like an injection of fresh, young,
international talent
687
00:33:44,992 --> 00:33:47,807
that would pay dividends
for years to come.
688
00:33:47,936 --> 00:33:49,675
Six months later,
Oliver and Company opened
689
00:33:49,695 --> 00:33:52,827
on the same day
as Spielberg's Land Before Time.
690
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,160
Come on. Let's eat him!
691
00:33:54,208 --> 00:33:56,629
Well, by the end
of the three or four months,
692
00:33:56,767 --> 00:33:59,102
we'd made 55, 56, 54.
693
00:33:59,776 --> 00:34:02,143
And we beat Land Before Time
and it was like...
694
00:34:02,272 --> 00:34:05,568
I think a lot of people were like,
"Hey, there's something...
695
00:34:05,696 --> 00:34:07,190
There's something here."
696
00:34:07,456 --> 00:34:10,981
The chaos that Roy ushered in when
he hired Michael was starting to pay off
697
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:15,164
and suddenly everybody was happy
to be associated with Toontown.
698
00:34:21,088 --> 00:34:23,990
This is the first fairy tale
that Disney has done
699
00:34:24,128 --> 00:34:28,700
Take two.
in the last 30 years, three decades.
700
00:34:28,832 --> 00:34:31,287
Why was Mermaid chosen?
701
00:34:31,968 --> 00:34:35,994
Well, I mean, it was chosen
because we all went to a lunch
702
00:34:36,127 --> 00:34:39,127
about three or four years ago
and all of us...
703
00:34:39,263 --> 00:34:41,163
It was sort of a development-type thing.
704
00:34:41,183 --> 00:34:43,564
And we were supposed to come in
with our three ideas.
705
00:34:43,584 --> 00:34:46,828
I don't know if you can use any of this,
but this is sort of more the truth than,
706
00:34:46,848 --> 00:34:48,848
you know,
what we may wind up saying later.
707
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,702
And basically they wanted to draw
on different ideas.
708
00:34:52,832 --> 00:34:55,996
And one of the ideas that Ron brought in
was The Little Mermaid.
709
00:34:56,128 --> 00:34:57,843
He had... That was one of his three.
710
00:34:57,952 --> 00:34:59,244
Jeffrey's friend David Geffen
711
00:34:59,264 --> 00:35:02,745
called him about a songwriting team,
Howard Ashman and Alan Menken,
712
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,119
that he'd worked with on the off-Broadway
hit Little Shop of Horrors.
713
00:35:06,208 --> 00:35:09,161
Peter had worked with them
on the same show as company manager,
714
00:35:09,248 --> 00:35:11,931
so he brought them in
to work on The Little Mermaid.
715
00:35:12,064 --> 00:35:14,493
Howard was just coming off
a terrible disappointment
716
00:35:14,592 --> 00:35:17,341
when his musical Smile
crashed and burned on Broadway.
717
00:35:17,472 --> 00:35:19,512
He came to Los Angeles
to start over again.
718
00:35:19,648 --> 00:35:22,988
Howard wasn't exactly the first guy who
sprang to mind when you said Disney.
719
00:35:23,008 --> 00:35:25,151
He was born into a Jewish family
in Baltimore,
720
00:35:25,248 --> 00:35:28,396
where he grew up on-stage in the local
Children's Theater Association.
721
00:35:28,416 --> 00:35:32,158
He was gay, edgy, and loved musicals,
especially Peter Pan.
722
00:35:32,288 --> 00:35:35,604
When I was approached with an opportunity
723
00:35:35,744 --> 00:35:39,672
to work for Disney, period,
I leapt at the...
724
00:35:39,808 --> 00:35:42,828
I said,"What about Animation?
What about working in that department?"
725
00:35:42,848 --> 00:35:44,748
That was what I really wanted to do here,
726
00:35:44,768 --> 00:35:47,834
much, much more
than anything, really, in live-action.
727
00:35:47,968 --> 00:35:49,836
Because I'm really
a musical-theater person
728
00:35:49,856 --> 00:35:53,882
and I do see a very, very strong
connection between these two media.
729
00:35:54,016 --> 00:35:56,332
We had this character
in the original treatment, the script.
730
00:35:56,352 --> 00:36:00,029
It was a crab character
that was kind of... Would be...
731
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,916
Sort of look after the mermaid
732
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,236
and try to keep her out of trouble
and watch over her.
733
00:36:04,256 --> 00:36:05,484
He was kind of a crusty, old,
734
00:36:05,504 --> 00:36:07,563
crotchety character
The king's right-hand guy
735
00:36:07,583 --> 00:36:10,604
who worked for the king and was like
the conductor in the undersea world.
736
00:36:10,624 --> 00:36:12,696
Howard said,
"Why not make him Jamaican?"
737
00:36:12,832 --> 00:36:15,385
And our first reaction was, "Jamaican?"
738
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,867
I mean, it was like a total twist
on what we were thinking.
739
00:36:17,887 --> 00:36:21,881
He rounds up all of these fish
and all of this stuff
740
00:36:22,016 --> 00:36:25,311
to convince Ariel not to try
to become human.
741
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,084
And they more or less
put on a show for her
742
00:36:29,216 --> 00:36:31,866
by playing all these instruments
and themselves.
743
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,942
Okay, we hear it start.
744
00:36:35,648 --> 00:36:37,228
He starts establishing the rhythm.
745
00:36:37,248 --> 00:36:42,779
The clams pick it up, and oysters,
and he's beating on lobsters, whatever.
746
00:36:44,063 --> 00:36:45,078
It's all percussive
747
00:36:45,216 --> 00:36:48,445
and it's all the undersea world
making the percussion.
748
00:36:55,104 --> 00:36:56,676
There was electricity in the air.
749
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,467
I mean, there was real genius at work
and people knew it.
750
00:37:12,576 --> 00:37:14,380
Howard, in a salesmanship way, I think,
751
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,924
trying to treat it
sort of a little more off-the-cuff,
752
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,267
but I think he had written all the songs
five minutes after he got the treatment,
753
00:37:20,287 --> 00:37:22,220
but said, "Now, here, say you had a song,
754
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,852
say it was called 'Part of Your World.'
755
00:37:23,872 --> 00:37:26,508
It could be anything,
but say it was called 'Part of Your World'."
756
00:37:26,528 --> 00:37:29,343
And then he had a... And Alan...
757
00:37:29,472 --> 00:37:33,433
We were in Howard's apartment
in Greenwich Village and it was...
758
00:37:33,568 --> 00:37:35,673
Alan came over
and played it on the piano.
759
00:37:35,808 --> 00:37:39,386
And Howard sang it right there
and it sounded great.
760
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,979
So really try to work
with just the intensity.
761
00:37:54,112 --> 00:37:57,854
It's like it's about all that emotion
and then not letting it all out.
762
00:37:57,983 --> 00:38:00,951
Not letting it out.
Not letting it out, but having it here.
763
00:38:03,968 --> 00:38:06,270
That stuff. Really, it's...
764
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,789
Am I still a little too loud?
You're great.
765
00:38:08,928 --> 00:38:10,348
Better that time?
You're great.
766
00:38:10,368 --> 00:38:12,559
But you're right,
it gets a little bright here.
767
00:38:16,064 --> 00:38:18,236
The intensity is better than...
768
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,028
Is better than noise.
Than Ethel Merman, right.
769
00:38:22,048 --> 00:38:24,716
But you're not doing Ethel Merman.
It's inner intensity, though.
770
00:38:24,736 --> 00:38:27,485
In almost every musical ever written,
771
00:38:27,616 --> 00:38:30,028
there's a place, it's usually
the third song of the evening.
772
00:38:30,048 --> 00:38:33,356
Sometimes it's the second, sometimes
it's the fourth, but it's quite early.
773
00:38:33,376 --> 00:38:35,805
And the leading lady usually
sits down on something,
774
00:38:35,872 --> 00:38:37,977
sometimes it's a tree stump in Brigadoon,
775
00:38:38,112 --> 00:38:42,302
sometimes it's under the pillars
of Covent Garden in My Fair Lady,
776
00:38:42,432 --> 00:38:44,460
or it's a trash can
in Little Shop of Horrors.
777
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,412
But the leading lady sits down
on something
778
00:38:46,432 --> 00:38:48,799
and sings about what she wants in life
779
00:38:48,928 --> 00:38:50,786
and the audience falls in love with her
780
00:38:50,912 --> 00:38:53,727
and then roots for her to get it
for the rest of the night.
781
00:38:59,616 --> 00:39:02,551
I heard "Part of Your World,"
Jodi Benson singing that,
782
00:39:02,688 --> 00:39:07,161
and it just captivated me.
I thought, "l have to do that."
783
00:39:07,296 --> 00:39:10,296
And I went and told those guys,
"I really wanna do Ariel."
784
00:39:10,432 --> 00:39:12,254
And they said,"Whoa, I don't know.
785
00:39:12,384 --> 00:39:14,956
This is supposed to be a pretty girl.
Can you do that?"
786
00:39:14,976 --> 00:39:18,391
I said,"Look, I have to do Ariel.
787
00:39:18,528 --> 00:39:21,245
I can feel it in my heart."
788
00:39:22,016 --> 00:39:24,733
We were previewing for schoolkids.
789
00:39:24,864 --> 00:39:27,384
And so the kids...
790
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:31,349
During that screening, a lot of the movie
was in black and white.
791
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,412
Certainly "Part of Your World,"
a lot of it was in story sketches.
792
00:39:34,432 --> 00:39:36,472
And the movie comes up on its feet
793
00:39:36,607 --> 00:39:38,942
and we get to "Part of Your World"
794
00:39:39,072 --> 00:39:40,894
and it's just not connecting.
795
00:39:41,024 --> 00:39:42,224
The audience is restless.
796
00:39:42,336 --> 00:39:44,875
I came out of that and just said,
"Don't think this is working."
797
00:39:44,895 --> 00:39:48,441
So Jeffrey was bound and
determined to cut "Part of Your World."
798
00:39:48,576 --> 00:39:50,845
It was just like,
"Guys, face reality, you know.
799
00:39:50,976 --> 00:39:53,388
It's not working, it's not there.
We gotta do something."
800
00:39:53,408 --> 00:39:55,500
And we pleaded our case.
He wouldn't listen to us.
801
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,861
Howard pleaded his case.
802
00:39:56,992 --> 00:40:00,058
Howard Ashman said,
"Over my dead body. I'll strangle you."
803
00:40:00,192 --> 00:40:03,094
But finally Glen Keane
went to Jeffrey and said,
804
00:40:03,232 --> 00:40:05,174
"Jeffrey, you cannot cut this.
805
00:40:05,311 --> 00:40:07,116
You're crazy.
This is the heart of the movie.
806
00:40:07,136 --> 00:40:08,477
It's her whole dream.
807
00:40:08,608 --> 00:40:12,107
And to cut that will really gut our
emotional involvement with our heroine."
808
00:40:12,127 --> 00:40:14,997
He persuaded me
that the issue wasn't the song,
809
00:40:15,136 --> 00:40:18,475
but other things that were not firing up yet
in the sort of rhythm of the movie.
810
00:40:18,495 --> 00:40:21,355
And ultimately he was right.
Not only did it stay in the movie,
811
00:40:21,375 --> 00:40:24,343
but it's one of the more memorable
moments in the movie.
812
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,382
The sparkle is coming back
to Sleeping Beauty's castle.
813
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,868
Over the last five years,
the Disney Animation Department
814
00:40:29,888 --> 00:40:34,078
has grown from a low of 150 artists
to its current level of nearly 550,
815
00:40:34,207 --> 00:40:36,149
doing animation the old-fashioned way,
816
00:40:36,288 --> 00:40:40,084
from character sketch, to pencil test,
to ink and paint, to the screen.
817
00:40:40,223 --> 00:40:42,525
What The Little Mermaid represents,
I hope,
818
00:40:42,656 --> 00:40:47,707
is kind of a renaissance period
for the artists themselves.
819
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:49,880
Jeffrey started discovering Animation
820
00:40:50,016 --> 00:40:52,524
as a place where he could be artistic,
a powerhouse in the editing room,
821
00:40:52,544 --> 00:40:54,603
and where he could be the frontman
to the press.
822
00:40:54,623 --> 00:40:56,972
I think he realized something
very important to his future.
823
00:40:56,992 --> 00:41:01,946
"I'm good at this. This is fun, it's mine
and it doesn't include Michael."
824
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,203
The press on Little Mermaid
was just spectacular.
825
00:41:04,223 --> 00:41:07,276
And the box office, well,
was even better than Oliver and Company.
826
00:41:07,296 --> 00:41:10,231
And there were loads of toys, books,
puzzles and lunch boxes
827
00:41:10,368 --> 00:41:11,961
that just flew off the shelves.
828
00:41:12,096 --> 00:41:14,201
Animation had a big hit on its hands.
829
00:41:15,008 --> 00:41:17,147
Jeffrey and Michael started focusing on,
830
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,509
"Oh, if we have more titles,
it'll be better financially."
831
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,201
And I always fought for,
832
00:41:22,336 --> 00:41:25,612
"Can you take some of those resources
and put them back into the business?"
833
00:41:25,632 --> 00:41:27,225
Which was where CAPS came from,
834
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,142
CAPS being the Computer Animation
Postproduction System.
835
00:41:30,272 --> 00:41:33,292
One of the technology guys, Lem Davis,
thought we could use computers
836
00:41:33,312 --> 00:41:37,949
to paint the characters in our films
and digitally assemble all the artwork.
837
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,131
That gives us not only the opportunity
to do some really good art,
838
00:41:43,264 --> 00:41:46,187
but it also gives us the opportunity
to really begin to explore
839
00:41:46,207 --> 00:41:49,306
what these computers
and graphics things can do for us
840
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,077
in kind of shorter pieces
where we can get really a little crazy.
841
00:41:54,208 --> 00:41:56,908
And I'm looking forward to all of us
getting a little crazy.
842
00:41:56,928 --> 00:42:00,091
Roy went to Frank Wells with a proposal
to spend $10 million
843
00:42:00,224 --> 00:42:02,613
on a computer system
that might not return a dime,
844
00:42:02,752 --> 00:42:05,021
but would revolutionize the look
of our films.
845
00:42:05,344 --> 00:42:08,396
So I just walked down the hall
and stood there in Frank's doorway.
846
00:42:08,416 --> 00:42:10,476
Frank looks up and says,
"What are you doing here?"
847
00:42:10,496 --> 00:42:13,639
And I said,"I'm just here to make sure
you sign that check, Frank."
848
00:42:14,016 --> 00:42:16,317
Frank's check was handed
to Alvy Ray Smith,
849
00:42:16,448 --> 00:42:18,380
the co-founder
of a small computer-graphics firm
850
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,353
that experimented
with character animation
851
00:42:20,384 --> 00:42:23,733
and made Listerine commercials
on the side to make ends meet.
852
00:42:24,224 --> 00:42:27,126
It was called Pixar.
853
00:42:28,032 --> 00:42:31,348
The CAPS computer was thrown
into production on Rescuers Down Under.
854
00:42:31,488 --> 00:42:32,869
It was unchartered territory.
855
00:42:32,895 --> 00:42:36,332
The crew from Disney and Pixar worked
around the clock, sleeping on pallets,
856
00:42:36,352 --> 00:42:38,924
nursing those computers
with duct tape and chewing gum,
857
00:42:39,007 --> 00:42:41,495
and the deadlines and quotas
never stopped.
858
00:42:41,632 --> 00:42:45,429
No, you don't want to hear my thoughts.
You don't want to hear my thoughts.
859
00:42:45,568 --> 00:42:48,568
What I remember most
of that period was feeling so brokenhearted
860
00:42:48,672 --> 00:42:52,927
that we had attempted to make
a feature film using the CAPS system
861
00:42:53,055 --> 00:42:54,892
before anyone
had even made a short with it.
862
00:42:54,912 --> 00:42:56,908
We had never tested the system
before we committed
863
00:42:56,928 --> 00:42:58,651
to a release date to make a movie.
864
00:42:58,784 --> 00:43:00,213
And it's 3:00 in the morning.
865
00:43:00,352 --> 00:43:03,352
Peter Schneider walks in
and looks over at me and goes,
866
00:43:03,488 --> 00:43:06,303
"Well, is it working yet?
Is it working yet?" Ha-ha-ha.
867
00:43:06,432 --> 00:43:09,182
And it's like,
"Oh, I don't need this pressure."
868
00:43:09,312 --> 00:43:11,116
My first film,
Rescuers Down Under, came out.
869
00:43:11,136 --> 00:43:14,846
Phone rings at like 8 in the morning.
"Mike?""Yeah.""Jeffrey."
870
00:43:14,976 --> 00:43:16,940
"Yeah. So, what's going on?
What's the numbers?"
871
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,348
He said, "Made 5 million. It's over."
872
00:43:19,488 --> 00:43:20,731
"Well, excuse me, what?"
873
00:43:20,864 --> 00:43:22,457
"It's over. Forget it. Move on."
874
00:43:22,592 --> 00:43:24,479
Jeffrey pulled all the TV advertising.
875
00:43:24,608 --> 00:43:29,277
And I said,"Jeffrey,
I just can't believe that. You've pulled it?
876
00:43:29,408 --> 00:43:30,980
There's no advertising, nothing?"
877
00:43:31,072 --> 00:43:34,421
And he said,"Tom,
the movie just doesn't work. It's over."
878
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,243
And I started to cry on the telephone.
879
00:43:37,376 --> 00:43:40,093
And then he said,"lt's okay.
880
00:43:40,224 --> 00:43:43,006
We're gonna move forward
and we'll do something else.
881
00:43:43,136 --> 00:43:44,336
Are you okay?"
882
00:43:44,384 --> 00:43:47,613
I said,"I'm all right." He goes,
"Okay, we'll start again tomorrow."
883
00:43:47,744 --> 00:43:49,036
And then he hung up the phone.
884
00:43:49,056 --> 00:43:52,634
Rescuers was the very first digital movie
produced in Hollywood.
885
00:43:52,768 --> 00:43:55,864
And without it we would never
have achieved what would come later.
886
00:44:00,544 --> 00:44:01,932
Beauty and the Beast was up next
887
00:44:01,952 --> 00:44:05,247
and the budget and schedule
were cut way, way back.
888
00:44:05,376 --> 00:44:09,500
We asked Richard Williams
to direct the film, but Williams declined
889
00:44:09,632 --> 00:44:12,966
and recommended one of his proteges,
Richard Purdum, to direct instead.
890
00:44:13,087 --> 00:44:16,797
Purdum was a very successful
commercial director based in the U.K.
891
00:44:16,927 --> 00:44:18,642
- Yeah.
- And then the horse rises up
892
00:44:18,688 --> 00:44:19,997
right underneath him.
Yeah.
893
00:44:20,128 --> 00:44:22,648
Now he's riding on the rear end
of the horse,
894
00:44:22,784 --> 00:44:24,261
hanging on to the horse's tail,
895
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,735
and one of the wolves grabs up
right onto the tail, yanks the horse,
896
00:44:27,872 --> 00:44:29,900
and the horse rears up
and throws the guy off
897
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,018
and the guy lands on the back
of the wolf, riding on the wolf.
898
00:44:33,151 --> 00:44:36,363
It was my first job as producer
and I wanted to get everything just right.
899
00:44:36,383 --> 00:44:39,166
So I recruited a commando story team
of Disney artists
900
00:44:39,296 --> 00:44:43,322
and we moved to London to set to work
on a non-musical version of the story.
901
00:44:43,455 --> 00:44:46,456
After about six months,
we took the first 20 minutes of the film
902
00:44:46,528 --> 00:44:47,739
to screen for Jeffrey.
903
00:44:47,872 --> 00:44:49,977
Has my niece given you an answer?
904
00:44:50,112 --> 00:44:55,098
Um, not yet.
I think she's playing the coquette with me.
905
00:44:55,231 --> 00:44:56,606
Forgive her.
906
00:44:56,736 --> 00:44:59,180
It wasn't perfect, but what was
the worst that could happen?
907
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,508
They weren't gonna scrap it and start
over again. That would be just insane.
908
00:45:02,528 --> 00:45:05,627
It didn't work at all for us,
so we literally scrapped it,
909
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,428
the first 20 minutes of the movie,
and started all over again.
910
00:45:08,448 --> 00:45:11,340
Richard Purdum worked for a
few more months on Beauty and the Beast,
911
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,860
and when it became clear that we would
never make his version of the movie,
912
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,960
he resigned.
913
00:45:16,095 --> 00:45:19,357
I recruited two young story artists
to be the acting directors
914
00:45:19,488 --> 00:45:22,380
and moved the entire project back
to the warehouses in Burbank.
915
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,448
The spotlight kind of turned
on me and Gary,
916
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,869
which struck us as incredibly odd,
because...
917
00:45:27,007 --> 00:45:29,836
The spotlight turned on us
like when you turn on the kitchen light
918
00:45:29,856 --> 00:45:32,428
and the roaches are on the floor.
We were like, "What?"
919
00:45:33,983 --> 00:45:36,044
We didn't get away in time
and they caught us.
920
00:45:36,064 --> 00:45:39,511
So we were made kind of the acting
directors of Beauty and the Beast,
921
00:45:39,648 --> 00:45:41,696
which meant...
We had to act like directors.
922
00:45:42,048 --> 00:45:45,790
Meanwhile, back in California,
Jeffrey threw his annual beach party.
923
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,400
And there was Tom Cruise
and Bette Midler and Robin Williams,
924
00:45:49,536 --> 00:45:52,057
all on the beach at Jeffrey's house.
925
00:45:52,192 --> 00:45:54,060
And I remember being there
with Howard Ashman,
926
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,895
because after Little Mermaid,
Howard asked to go work
927
00:45:57,023 --> 00:45:59,820
on this other thing he was desperate to do
for Disney called Aladdin,
928
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,708
at exactly the same time
Beauty and the Beast
929
00:46:01,728 --> 00:46:03,371
was sort of falling apart in London.
930
00:46:03,391 --> 00:46:06,075
Jeffrey buttonholed Howard,
as only he can,
931
00:46:06,208 --> 00:46:09,036
and convinced Howard to write the songs
for Beauty and the Beast
932
00:46:09,056 --> 00:46:10,988
even though Howard didn't really want to.
933
00:46:11,008 --> 00:46:13,048
Well, we got a phone call from our boss.
934
00:46:13,184 --> 00:46:17,276
"We want you to meet with Howard
and Alan and the whole creative team
935
00:46:17,408 --> 00:46:20,588
and Beauty and the Beast is gonna
become a musical." We couldn't believe it.
936
00:46:20,608 --> 00:46:24,831
So we ended up setting up shop
at the Residence Inn, upstate New York,
937
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,380
in Howard's neck of the woods.
938
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,100
And we started hashing stuff out
and throwing around ideas.
939
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,186
Initially it was very, very collegial.
It was very upbeat.
940
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,400
We were having a lot of fun.
941
00:46:33,536 --> 00:46:35,500
But one of the things
that was a sticking point,
942
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,586
something that we didn't agree on,
was how to open the movie.
943
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,629
And Howard felt very passionately
944
00:46:40,768 --> 00:46:43,116
that the movie should open
with a fully animated prologue
945
00:46:43,136 --> 00:46:47,326
that showed the Beast in his prince form,
except he would be a little boy.
946
00:46:47,456 --> 00:46:49,594
He'd be a naughty little boy.
947
00:46:49,728 --> 00:46:53,918
And to Gary and I, we could not get past
this Eddie Munster image,
948
00:46:54,048 --> 00:46:58,969
you know, of this hairy little kid
in Little Lord Fauntleroy pants.
949
00:46:59,104 --> 00:47:02,748
To Howard, it seemed
incredibly moving and tragic.
950
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,374
He was also very opinionated
951
00:47:04,512 --> 00:47:07,196
and very articulate
and very intimidating.
952
00:47:07,328 --> 00:47:11,289
And so we were scared of him.
It's like, "Okay, we gotta do this."
953
00:47:11,424 --> 00:47:15,647
And so, you know, like the stupid,
naive, 26-year-old kid that I was,
954
00:47:15,776 --> 00:47:17,532
I opened the meeting with,
955
00:47:17,663 --> 00:47:22,715
"We think that the little Beast boy
is kind of a cheap shot."
956
00:47:23,136 --> 00:47:27,543
And I think the word "cheap"
really set Howard off.
957
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,347
And his mouth was a very tight line
958
00:47:29,472 --> 00:47:31,148
and his eyes were getting kind of bigger.
959
00:47:31,168 --> 00:47:33,502
I just saw the clouds darken.
960
00:47:33,631 --> 00:47:35,541
I just saw his face darken.
961
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:40,536
And he just ripped into us
like I've never been ripped into before.
962
00:47:40,672 --> 00:47:44,217
And no one leapt to my defense,
may I just add.
963
00:47:45,503 --> 00:47:47,358
Thank you very much.
964
00:47:47,488 --> 00:47:49,462
And the Oscar goes to:
965
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,884
Alan Menken, Howard Ashman
966
00:47:54,016 --> 00:47:56,471
for "Under the Sea"
from The Little Mermaid.
967
00:47:56,608 --> 00:48:01,180
Oscar night, we won at least
three Oscars between the two of us.
968
00:48:01,312 --> 00:48:04,312
He said,"When we get back
to New York, we really have to talk."
969
00:48:04,447 --> 00:48:06,251
And so that was, what, a Monday night.
970
00:48:06,271 --> 00:48:08,792
I think he was back by Thursday morning.
971
00:48:08,928 --> 00:48:10,815
I came in and he just told me.
972
00:48:10,944 --> 00:48:14,588
I said, you know,"What is it?"
And he said,"Well, I guess you know."
973
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,720
I didn't, or I didn't let myself.
He said,"l guess you know.
974
00:48:18,592 --> 00:48:20,381
I'm HlV-positive."
975
00:48:20,512 --> 00:48:23,480
I think, or he maybe said,
"I'm sick," or something.
976
00:48:23,936 --> 00:48:26,619
And I... It was not what I wanted to hear.
977
00:48:31,872 --> 00:48:35,069
It seems like something falls out
a little bit there.
978
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,534
On, "sing you off to sleep"?
979
00:48:36,608 --> 00:48:38,561
- Or should I have been up on that?
- Yes.
980
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,880
You're very strong.
981
00:48:44,063 --> 00:48:46,103
Something needs to take off there...
982
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,716
Well, I know David had felt
that it had to build back in.
983
00:48:48,736 --> 00:48:50,403
I mean, I remember you saying that.
984
00:48:50,431 --> 00:48:53,301
That you didn't feel
you should jump right into tempo.
985
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,545
Right.
Do you want it to get faster sooner?
986
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:56,695
You're asking... No.
987
00:48:56,832 --> 00:48:59,261
He's building into it.
This is not a tempo question.
988
00:49:00,224 --> 00:49:01,424
David... I know.
989
00:49:01,472 --> 00:49:05,018
The melody, it's neat. It's really pretty.
Oh, good, good.
990
00:49:05,152 --> 00:49:07,020
So you don't have to scream
to get over it.
991
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,651
Well, we're separate tracks, aren't we?
992
00:49:08,671 --> 00:49:11,052
True. I just if wonder
what you're hearing in your cans...
993
00:49:11,072 --> 00:49:14,618
Yeah, I'll play it up and play it down.
994
00:49:14,752 --> 00:49:16,610
We'll see which is better.
Great. Great.
995
00:49:16,703 --> 00:49:22,170
And similarly we should get at least one
on this build section.
996
00:49:24,832 --> 00:49:26,764
He was an amazing influence on everybody.
997
00:49:26,784 --> 00:49:28,588
And I don't want to compare him to Walt,
998
00:49:28,608 --> 00:49:33,016
but on the other hand,
he had that kind of influence on everybody.
999
00:49:34,016 --> 00:49:37,132
Before Beauty and the Beast was finished,
we threw a big dog-and-pony show
1000
00:49:37,152 --> 00:49:39,692
for the New York press where
we showed some clips from the film
1001
00:49:39,712 --> 00:49:42,330
and Alan sang some of the songs.
1002
00:49:42,688 --> 00:49:46,103
I don't think we could have ever imagined
1003
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:50,975
a more enraptured reception
to the movie and the songs.
1004
00:49:51,104 --> 00:49:54,650
And we all were very excited about
the idea of sharing this with Howard.
1005
00:49:54,784 --> 00:49:56,857
We wanted him to hear the news.
1006
00:49:56,992 --> 00:50:00,341
And then we all jumped
in a cab and we raced downtown
1007
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,007
to St. Vincent's.
1008
00:50:03,328 --> 00:50:04,940
We rushed from the press presentation,
1009
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,276
which, as rough as it was,
was a huge success.
1010
00:50:08,736 --> 00:50:11,051
We were high from it
and we came into the cold shock
1011
00:50:11,071 --> 00:50:13,821
of Howard dying in a hospital room.
1012
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,588
His mother pulled back the sheets
to show us
1013
00:50:16,608 --> 00:50:19,423
the Beauty and the Beast sweatshirt
that he was wearing.
1014
00:50:20,224 --> 00:50:25,461
He was 80 pounds, had lost his sight
and barely had a whisper of a voice.
1015
00:50:25,856 --> 00:50:29,172
We shared with him what happened
that day and how amazing it was.
1016
00:50:29,311 --> 00:50:31,799
And how he was there in every way.
1017
00:50:32,543 --> 00:50:35,959
Then, when it was time to leave,
we said our goodbyes.
1018
00:50:36,096 --> 00:50:38,267
Before I left, I bent over and whispered,
1019
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,953
Beauty and the Beast
was gonna be a great success.
1020
00:50:41,088 --> 00:50:43,193
"Who'd have thought it?" l said.
1021
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,000
And Howard lit up
and whispered, "l would have."
1022
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,485
Gary Kalkin, who was running
Publicity at the time, had a brilliant idea,
1023
00:51:19,616 --> 00:51:24,701
a scary idea, a dangerous idea
that perhaps an unfinished
1024
00:51:24,832 --> 00:51:28,694
work-in-progress screening
of Beauty and the Beast
1025
00:51:28,831 --> 00:51:31,450
could be a part
of the New York Film Festival.
1026
00:51:31,584 --> 00:51:35,610
So we actually screened
an unfinished version of the film
1027
00:51:35,744 --> 00:51:38,428
and I think we were all
on pins and needles.
1028
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,048
We all were sitting there
holding our breath,
1029
00:51:41,184 --> 00:51:43,756
because we didn't know
what kind of reaction there would be.
1030
00:51:43,776 --> 00:51:46,875
And there was almost...
When the movie ended,
1031
00:51:47,008 --> 00:51:51,515
it was almost a pause
where you went, "1001, 1002,"
1032
00:51:51,648 --> 00:51:55,576
and then all of a sudden
the place just erupted.
1033
00:52:02,272 --> 00:52:08,895
I remember just being absolutely
slack-jawed, stunned, knocked over,
1034
00:52:09,024 --> 00:52:11,163
goggle-eyed with astonishment.
1035
00:52:11,296 --> 00:52:14,711
They applauded like they were
at a live Broadway show.
1036
00:52:14,848 --> 00:52:18,645
And I had never seen anything like that
in my life.
1037
00:52:23,392 --> 00:52:25,727
It was an emotional roller coaster
back home.
1038
00:52:25,856 --> 00:52:28,396
Beauty and the Beast
had thousands of drawings left to go.
1039
00:52:28,416 --> 00:52:30,668
Aladdin was grinding
through intense story changes
1040
00:52:30,688 --> 00:52:33,324
that left three of Howard's songs
on the cutting-room floor.
1041
00:52:33,344 --> 00:52:37,272
And Tim Rice was brought in
to finish up the lyrics on the new songs.
1042
00:52:37,408 --> 00:52:39,340
The work was intense, the hours were long
1043
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,775
and there was only one thing
that could stop it all: margaritas.
1044
00:52:49,952 --> 00:52:53,814
I tried very much to put myself
into this character.
1045
00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:56,204
It was a way for everybody to decompress
1046
00:52:56,224 --> 00:52:59,540
after the long hours
and hideous meetings with Jeffrey.
1047
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,700
By this time, we spent more time
with each other than with our families.
1048
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,508
I mean, this was our family.
1049
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,892
So we'd take a long break,
have some chips and salsa,
1050
00:53:06,912 --> 00:53:10,156
and with a little cheerleading from Peter,
we'd get back on the horse.
1051
00:53:10,176 --> 00:53:14,006
It's great.
This crew is the best crew. It's fabulous.
1052
00:53:14,144 --> 00:53:15,668
- Not very sincere, was it?
- No.
1053
00:53:19,776 --> 00:53:20,823
Credit was always an issue,
1054
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,051
and it seemed that everyone
was either taking credit
1055
00:53:23,071 --> 00:53:25,036
or not getting credit or not giving credit.
1056
00:53:25,056 --> 00:53:28,536
And the people who really deserved
the credit were being overlooked.
1057
00:53:28,768 --> 00:53:31,997
You know, maybe I was
more sensitive to that in a way
1058
00:53:32,128 --> 00:53:35,957
than others might have been,
just because I went through it with Walt
1059
00:53:36,096 --> 00:53:39,195
and a lot of the guys that worked for him
1060
00:53:39,328 --> 00:53:43,103
and watched watch them be outshone
by so much
1061
00:53:43,231 --> 00:53:46,647
and not given the kind of credit
that they thought they deserved
1062
00:53:46,784 --> 00:53:48,856
and certainly and in fact that they did.
1063
00:53:49,152 --> 00:53:51,869
It is easy to get out there
on the stage of life
1064
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,717
and have people
shining flashlights at you,
1065
00:53:54,847 --> 00:53:57,630
and you're going,"Wow, yeah,
I'm pretty good, aren't I?"
1066
00:53:58,048 --> 00:53:59,062
And, action.
1067
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,396
Hi, I'm Jeffrey Katzenberg,
chairman of the Walt Disney Studios.
1068
00:54:02,527 --> 00:54:05,397
At Disney, when we set out
to make an animated feature,
1069
00:54:05,536 --> 00:54:08,503
the first thing we look for
is a very special story
1070
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,396
and unforgettable characters.
1071
00:54:10,528 --> 00:54:12,764
And that's just
what Beauty and the Beast is,
1072
00:54:12,896 --> 00:54:15,863
a great story
with unforgettable characters.
1073
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,015
Cut.
1074
00:54:17,152 --> 00:54:19,596
I didn't care about credit.
I didn't care about any of that.
1075
00:54:19,616 --> 00:54:23,194
I had plenty of my own adulation
from places I didn't even want it.
1076
00:54:23,328 --> 00:54:24,948
The more Jeffrey promoted himself,
1077
00:54:25,056 --> 00:54:29,595
as long as he promoted himself
around an animated movie, I let it happen.
1078
00:54:29,728 --> 00:54:30,775
Roy went nuts.
1079
00:54:30,912 --> 00:54:33,530
Hello, my name is Roy Disney
1080
00:54:33,664 --> 00:54:36,446
and it's my pleasure
to introduce the home-video debut
1081
00:54:36,576 --> 00:54:40,122
of one of the greatest triumphs
of my uncle Walt's filmmaking career:
1082
00:54:40,256 --> 00:54:42,296
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
1083
00:54:42,528 --> 00:54:45,561
There's always been
that question, ever since Walt died:
1084
00:54:45,696 --> 00:54:47,354
Who's the next Walt Disney?
1085
00:54:47,488 --> 00:54:51,198
The media demands a central
charismatic figure.
1086
00:54:51,328 --> 00:54:53,783
And we demand it to sell our product.
1087
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,684
Hello, I'm Michael Eisner,
chairman of The Walt Disney Company.
1088
00:54:56,704 --> 00:54:59,038
All of us here at Disney
hope you enjoyed the tour
1089
00:54:59,071 --> 00:55:00,428
and that it gave you new insight
1090
00:55:00,448 --> 00:55:02,891
into the magic of motion-picture
and television production.
1091
00:55:02,911 --> 00:55:04,780
We hope you come back
and see us real soon.
1092
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,255
Whoa, whoa, what is now going on
in the studio?
1093
00:55:08,544 --> 00:55:11,195
Frank, of all of us,
was the most selfless,
1094
00:55:11,328 --> 00:55:15,518
and so he was able to navigate a course
1095
00:55:15,648 --> 00:55:20,219
between strong
and growing personalities and egos.
1096
00:55:20,352 --> 00:55:24,181
And I always found Frank
the peacemaker, you know,
1097
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,230
that he was like a marriage counselor.
1098
00:55:26,368 --> 00:55:29,117
He was very much of a mediator.
1099
00:55:29,248 --> 00:55:32,314
He was the person
you ran to when you had problems.
1100
00:55:32,448 --> 00:55:34,956
Interesting thing about Frank,
he carried in his wallet
1101
00:55:34,976 --> 00:55:38,751
a piece of paper that said,
"Humility is the ultimate virtue."
1102
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,405
You get it from the top
and you get it from the bottom
1103
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:43,862
and are often left floating
somewhere in the middle
1104
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,902
trying to establish a sense of direction
and purpose.
1105
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,593
It was a delicate balancing act
that began to wobble
1106
00:55:49,728 --> 00:55:52,411
on the night of
the Beauty and the Beast premiere.
1107
00:55:52,704 --> 00:55:55,159
But I am delighted to be the first,
1108
00:55:55,296 --> 00:55:58,711
because I am so enormously proud
of all of you
1109
00:55:58,848 --> 00:56:02,459
and what you pulled off,
not just Beauty and the Beast,
1110
00:56:02,592 --> 00:56:04,926
but over the last seven years.
1111
00:56:05,055 --> 00:56:08,798
It is absolutely a fabulous change
1112
00:56:08,928 --> 00:56:12,474
from 200 frightened people,
seven years ago,
1113
00:56:12,608 --> 00:56:14,700
wondering if they were gonna
have a job tomorrow.
1114
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,280
At the cast-and-crew screening,
1115
00:56:16,416 --> 00:56:18,475
there's tradition of everybody
getting up and speaking
1116
00:56:18,495 --> 00:56:20,163
and saying how great everything is.
1117
00:56:20,288 --> 00:56:25,852
It's now been seven years
since I was converted to the faith
1118
00:56:25,984 --> 00:56:28,766
and I've been preaching the gospel
of animation ever since.
1119
00:56:30,176 --> 00:56:33,656
Until that night, I don't think
I was aware to the extent of the animosity
1120
00:56:33,792 --> 00:56:35,702
between Michael, Roy and Jeffrey.
1121
00:56:35,968 --> 00:56:38,903
Then about 1983, I got a call.
1122
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,593
I was in Middlebury, Vermont,
at my son's camp.
1123
00:56:41,728 --> 00:56:44,346
I got a call from Roy Disney, who said,
1124
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,578
"Would you be interested in coming
to The Walt Disney Company,
1125
00:56:47,712 --> 00:56:49,474
because I'd like to keep it together.
1126
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,672
It seems
that it's gonna be broken apart."
1127
00:56:51,808 --> 00:56:55,637
And I said,"Well, yeah,
that sounds like a good idea."
1128
00:56:55,776 --> 00:57:00,566
Yeah, and I was sitting right
in the very first row in the corner seat,
1129
00:57:00,704 --> 00:57:03,387
looking up at him, saying,
"Announce it, Michael."
1130
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,723
And Michael stood up and said,
1131
00:57:05,856 --> 00:57:09,172
"As part of the reward
of this extraordinary growth,
1132
00:57:09,312 --> 00:57:11,068
the amazing things you've all done,
1133
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,153
Frank and I have agreed to build a new
Animation Building on the Disney lot."
1134
00:57:16,288 --> 00:57:18,622
It was the first time Jeffrey
had ever heard that.
1135
00:57:18,656 --> 00:57:21,972
In the moment,
I was enraged by it, because I felt,
1136
00:57:22,111 --> 00:57:24,086
"Wow, what are these guys
doing here?"
1137
00:57:24,224 --> 00:57:25,751
It was inappropriate.
1138
00:57:25,888 --> 00:57:28,987
And the subtext to that
was much, much deeper
1139
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,277
than just the faux pas
of announcing a building,
1140
00:57:33,408 --> 00:57:35,820
you know, without having ever
even discussed it with me.
1141
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,964
And it just showed
very deep-seated unhappiness
1142
00:57:40,095 --> 00:57:42,746
and competitiveness and ego.
1143
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,221
It was all about respect.
1144
00:57:44,352 --> 00:57:46,252
That night, Jeffrey was looking
for the respect
1145
00:57:46,272 --> 00:57:48,107
he thought he'd earned from
Roy and Michael,
1146
00:57:48,127 --> 00:57:49,818
and it just wasn't there.
1147
00:57:50,047 --> 00:57:52,940
Lightning has struck twice with Disney's
Beauty and the Beast.
1148
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,032
I'm hard-pressed,
had to go to the thesaurus
1149
00:57:55,168 --> 00:57:56,940
to find all the applicable adjectives:
1150
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,052
Enchanting, bewitching,
captivating, charming...
1151
00:57:59,072 --> 00:58:01,215
Beauty and the Beast
opened to huge box office
1152
00:58:01,312 --> 00:58:05,306
and probably the most glowing reviews of
any animated feature since Snow White.
1153
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,596
I've seen Beauty and the Beast twice
with my children.
1154
00:58:07,616 --> 00:58:10,650
I'm going to be back for more very soon.
It's a winner.
1155
00:58:10,784 --> 00:58:12,791
I was amazed
how much I enjoyed this movie.
1156
00:58:12,928 --> 00:58:15,432
I had heard reports that it played
at the New York Film Festival...
1157
00:58:15,452 --> 00:58:16,844
- Right - ...to a standing ovation,
1158
00:58:16,864 --> 00:58:18,817
...and I questioned those reports.
- I did too.
1159
00:58:18,912 --> 00:58:21,355
I said,"l can't see
the New York Film Festival standing up
1160
00:58:21,375 --> 00:58:23,001
and applauding anything."
- Yeah.
1161
00:58:23,136 --> 00:58:26,398
Then I saw this movie and I heard it
interrupted by applause again.
1162
00:58:27,776 --> 00:58:29,053
And the winner is:
1163
00:58:29,184 --> 00:58:33,112
Before the Oscar nominations
came the Golden Globes.
1164
00:58:33,376 --> 00:58:35,067
Beauty and the Beast,
1165
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,648
Walt Disney Pictures,
Buena Vista Pictures Distribution.
1166
00:58:39,072 --> 00:58:40,300
When they announced our name,
1167
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,532
I was sitting at what had to have been
the furthest table from the stage,
1168
00:58:43,552 --> 00:58:45,919
back with the busboys
and the valet-parking guys.
1169
00:58:46,048 --> 00:58:49,757
But this was a validation from Hollywood
that we'd never really seen before.
1170
00:58:49,888 --> 00:58:51,448
And maybe, just maybe,
1171
00:58:51,584 --> 00:58:55,359
this meant that animation was no longer
at the kids' card table in the kitchen.
1172
00:58:55,488 --> 00:58:58,390
We'd won the Bank of America award
for Jeffrey
1173
00:58:58,528 --> 00:59:00,797
and now the Golden Globe for the artists.
1174
00:59:00,928 --> 00:59:02,903
The icing on the cake was yet to come.
1175
00:59:04,992 --> 00:59:06,006
Oh, thank you very much.
1176
00:59:06,143 --> 00:59:09,196
A lot of animators just tossed their
hot dogs and popcorn in the air at home.
1177
00:59:09,216 --> 00:59:11,737
So you've made some people
very, very happy.
1178
00:59:13,024 --> 00:59:16,023
I'm pleased to announce Good
1179
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,732
that the motion pictures selected
1180
00:59:17,856 --> 00:59:21,882
as the Best Picture nominee of 1991 are:
1181
00:59:22,016 --> 00:59:23,216
Beauty and the Beast,
1182
00:59:24,544 --> 00:59:26,070
Don Hahn, producer.
1183
00:59:26,208 --> 00:59:30,517
Beauty and the Beast got six nominations,
including a nomination for Best Picture.
1184
00:59:30,656 --> 00:59:34,430
Now that really sets a record here,
because in the history of Disney,
1185
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,495
Disney has only
had Best Picture nominees twice,
1186
00:59:37,632 --> 00:59:40,347
once for Mary Poppins
and once for the Dead Poets Society.
1187
00:59:40,384 --> 00:59:42,773
So that was a great honor for
Beauty and the Beast.
1188
00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:44,972
When we first heard
that Beauty was nominated,
1189
00:59:44,992 --> 00:59:48,789
it was like an electrical charge
that went through the entire studio.
1190
00:59:48,928 --> 00:59:49,943
I just came unglued.
1191
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,980
I did a dance around the house
in my underwear.
1192
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,683
And my phone just rang
for the rest of the day.
1193
00:59:54,816 --> 00:59:57,205
Congratulatory messages and telegrams
1194
00:59:57,344 --> 01:00:00,027
and boxes of candy
were showing up at my door.
1195
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,436
It was nuts.
1196
01:00:01,567 --> 01:00:02,767
I was queen for a day.
1197
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,979
We came to the Oscars in
our rented tuxedos and fancy ball gowns
1198
01:00:06,112 --> 01:00:08,541
and all I could think of was,
"How did we get here?"
1199
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,542
And the Oscar goes to:
1200
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,988
The Silence of the Lambs.
1201
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,164
Well, we didn't win that night,
but, boy, did we get invited to the ball.
1202
01:00:21,184 --> 01:00:24,086
The next day, it was back to work.
1203
01:00:24,736 --> 01:00:26,143
- Hi there.
- Hi, Ron.
1204
01:00:26,272 --> 01:00:29,436
This is Ron Clements, once more.
1205
01:00:29,568 --> 01:00:31,330
He moved out of his tiny little room.
1206
01:00:31,424 --> 01:00:33,612
- What are you working on right now?
- Aladdin.
1207
01:00:33,632 --> 01:00:36,204
These are sketches from Aladdin,
another Academy Award winner.
1208
01:00:36,224 --> 01:00:39,258
Who knows, you know?
You'll know better a few years from now.
1209
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,596
By the time Aladdin came,
1210
01:00:41,728 --> 01:00:47,195
the animation marathon was really
beginning to tell on the physical strength,
1211
01:00:47,328 --> 01:00:49,303
I mean, just in terms of endurance.
1212
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,953
Now there was this,
"Okay, how are you in the long run?
1213
01:00:53,088 --> 01:00:54,550
Can you keep going?"
1214
01:00:54,688 --> 01:00:58,332
Many of the artists had physical problems
with their carpel tunnel syndrome.
1215
01:00:58,463 --> 01:01:03,068
And I remember on one day,
it was the Day of Atonement.
1216
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,681
Jeffrey came to the studio
and asked everybody to sit down with him
1217
01:01:06,816 --> 01:01:09,467
and just tell him what it was like
to work with him.
1218
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,410
And he said, "Just be honest with me."
1219
01:01:11,616 --> 01:01:15,740
People started to share what working
at Disney Animation was really like.
1220
01:01:15,872 --> 01:01:17,324
Some people couldn't have a family,
1221
01:01:17,344 --> 01:01:22,265
because they really had no way of being
able to raise kids in this kind of pressure.
1222
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:25,335
For me, holding a coffee cup,
my hand would shake,
1223
01:01:25,472 --> 01:01:27,098
was just shaking so badly,
1224
01:01:27,232 --> 01:01:30,047
because I'd been animating
the whole night before.
1225
01:01:30,176 --> 01:01:33,853
It was the only time that I had seen Jeffrey
with a tear in his eyes
1226
01:01:33,983 --> 01:01:39,166
from just being moved
by what he was pushing the artists to do.
1227
01:01:39,296 --> 01:01:43,551
And he said,"This is not right.
You have to have a life."
1228
01:01:43,808 --> 01:01:46,197
Nothing changed. In fact, it got busier.
1229
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,420
And it would have been easy to blame
Jeffrey or Michael for pushing hard,
1230
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:50,828
because they were, but, you know,
1231
01:01:50,848 --> 01:01:53,196
the truth is that the artists were pushing
just as hard.
1232
01:01:53,216 --> 01:01:56,407
The rewards were pouring in,
so we all kept trying to top ourselves.
1233
01:01:56,736 --> 01:01:57,963
Suddenly, there were bonuses
1234
01:01:57,983 --> 01:02:01,147
and the parking lot was just full
of BMWs and Porsches.
1235
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,572
We were getting a new building
1236
01:02:02,592 --> 01:02:05,772
and people were getting lawyers
and agents and appearing on talk shows.
1237
01:02:05,792 --> 01:02:07,307
You always look into somebody's eyes
1238
01:02:07,327 --> 01:02:09,978
and if you're going to make
a mistake in the drawing,
1239
01:02:10,111 --> 01:02:11,916
- don't let it be in the eyes.
- Right.
1240
01:02:11,936 --> 01:02:13,196
That's where everybody's reading it.
1241
01:02:13,216 --> 01:02:16,794
It's interesting, because
that was also, personally as an artist,
1242
01:02:16,927 --> 01:02:18,166
when our salaries went up.
1243
01:02:18,304 --> 01:02:20,278
When everybody became rock stars.
1244
01:02:20,415 --> 01:02:22,717
When it looked like you couldn't stop it.
1245
01:02:22,848 --> 01:02:26,028
Even with the sacrifice, the cold dinners,
the nights away from family,
1246
01:02:26,048 --> 01:02:27,575
we were living the dream.
1247
01:02:27,712 --> 01:02:30,133
Raises. More money.
Cut that.
1248
01:02:31,072 --> 01:02:34,040
Disney became the place to be
for animation.
1249
01:02:34,176 --> 01:02:37,081
Alumni like Tim Burton and Henry Selick
returned to the studio
1250
01:02:37,184 --> 01:02:41,014
to make a stop-motion movie,
The Nightmare Before Christmas.
1251
01:02:41,152 --> 01:02:43,676
And Peter tried to hire John Lasseter
away from Pixar,
1252
01:02:43,711 --> 01:02:47,224
but John insisted on staying
with the struggling start-up company.
1253
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,748
So Peter struck a deal with John
1254
01:02:48,768 --> 01:02:51,615
to direct a computer-animated
co-production with Disney,
1255
01:02:51,743 --> 01:02:55,005
the first of its kind,
a buddy picture called Toy Story.
1256
01:02:55,872 --> 01:02:57,804
There was already a satellite studio
in Florida
1257
01:02:57,824 --> 01:03:00,060
and now production started
on A Goofy Movie
1258
01:03:00,192 --> 01:03:01,915
at another studio in Paris.
1259
01:03:02,047 --> 01:03:05,356
Rehearsals began on the new Broadway
production of Beauty and the Beast.
1260
01:03:05,376 --> 01:03:08,954
Five years earlier, the care and focus
was on one picture at a time,
1261
01:03:09,088 --> 01:03:11,422
and now there were five movies
and a Broadway show
1262
01:03:11,488 --> 01:03:12,797
in very active production.
1263
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,262
Everybody was spread too thin.
1264
01:03:15,391 --> 01:03:19,483
I don't care what I am. I'm free!
1265
01:03:19,616 --> 01:03:21,885
Offer void where prohibited by law.
Ha-ha-ha!
1266
01:03:22,016 --> 01:03:25,693
Master, I don't think you quite realize
what you got here.
1267
01:03:25,824 --> 01:03:28,279
Aladdin opened on
Thanksgiving weekend, 1992.
1268
01:03:28,672 --> 01:03:31,989
It was the first animated feature
to gross over $200 million.
1269
01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:35,102
These movies became the heart and soul,
1270
01:03:35,232 --> 01:03:36,812
once again, of The Walt Disney Company.
1271
01:03:36,832 --> 01:03:40,825
The entire company rallied around them,
sold merchandising,
1272
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,676
put them on TV, made specials about them,
1273
01:03:43,808 --> 01:03:46,124
became characters in the park,
became rides in the park.
1274
01:03:46,144 --> 01:03:48,381
It was an extraordinarily heady
period of time.
1275
01:03:48,512 --> 01:03:51,414
We could do no wrong.
Everything we touched turned to gold.
1276
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,949
Every movie was bigger
than the last movie.
1277
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:55,787
And it was great just to see people...
1278
01:03:55,807 --> 01:03:58,060
The stigma of animation
being just a kids' medium
1279
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,699
kind of get peeled away
by these various films.
1280
01:04:15,776 --> 01:04:17,771
While we celebrated
the success of Aladdin,
1281
01:04:17,791 --> 01:04:20,061
the next movie was bearing down on us.
1282
01:04:20,192 --> 01:04:24,218
It was a coming-of-age story
that everyone called Bambi in Africa.
1283
01:04:24,352 --> 01:04:26,687
I remember having
seen a documentary called
1284
01:04:26,848 --> 01:04:29,662
Lions and Hyenas.
1285
01:04:29,792 --> 01:04:32,891
I mean, it was so incredibly powerful
and dramatic and intense.
1286
01:04:33,024 --> 01:04:35,774
And I thought,
"Wow, if this movie could capture,
1287
01:04:35,904 --> 01:04:39,701
you know, a tenth of the power of
this documentary, then it would be terrific.
1288
01:04:41,568 --> 01:04:44,426
He's just saying hello.
He's saying hello to you, by the way.
1289
01:04:45,696 --> 01:04:48,543
You notice that they are
very contact-oriented.
1290
01:04:48,672 --> 01:04:52,119
He just walked under
this man's leg just then.
1291
01:04:52,256 --> 01:04:55,340
And in this case, the yellow
caution tape really does mean caution.
1292
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,196
We'd been working on it
for a couple of months,
1293
01:04:57,216 --> 01:04:59,223
and then Jeffrey calls
a breakfast meeting.
1294
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:03,070
And in the meeting, we have the whole
crew from Pocahontas and Lion King.
1295
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,248
And Jeffrey says,
"Pocahontas is a home run.
1296
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:09,302
It's West Side Story, it's Romeo and Juliet
with American Indians.
1297
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,895
It's a hit.
It's got hit written all over it.
1298
01:05:12,032 --> 01:05:15,032
Lion King, on the other hand,
is kind of an experiment.
1299
01:05:15,168 --> 01:05:18,583
We don't really know if anybody's
gonna really wanna see it."
1300
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,835
And after that meeting, absolutely no one
wanted to work on Lion King.
1301
01:05:21,855 --> 01:05:25,717
No one had any faith
in that movie, which is, actually...
1302
01:05:25,856 --> 01:05:30,046
If there's a lesson in The Lion King,
it's "nobody knows nothing."
1303
01:05:30,176 --> 01:05:33,624
We start with Simba in a secluded glade.
He's kind of contemplating life,
1304
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,948
when he looks up and sees the stars
and is reminded...
1305
01:05:35,968 --> 01:05:41,183
The kernel of that idea is
something that actually originated with me.
1306
01:05:41,311 --> 01:05:45,468
It was really about that moment
in each of our lives
1307
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,980
in which we sort of have to grow up
and take responsibility.
1308
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,421
We have to take our place
in the circle of life.
1309
01:05:50,911 --> 01:05:56,825
It's allegorically a young person born
with a future that's to be fulfilled,
1310
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,927
who has to go through a lot of difficulties
to get there,
1311
01:06:00,064 --> 01:06:03,479
and most especially,
who has to learn to believe in himself
1312
01:06:03,616 --> 01:06:08,537
before he can become
what he is fated to be.
1313
01:06:08,672 --> 01:06:10,604
It became more and more
this Shakespearean tale
1314
01:06:10,624 --> 01:06:12,631
about the responsibilities of leadership.
1315
01:06:12,768 --> 01:06:15,965
And in a really strange way,
it seemed almost autobiographical,
1316
01:06:16,096 --> 01:06:20,319
all about the brinksmanship that can arise
in this competitive male environment.
1317
01:06:20,448 --> 01:06:23,084
I came out of a story
meeting and ran right into Frank Wells.
1318
01:06:23,104 --> 01:06:25,388
And he asked me,
"How are things going on The Lion King?"
1319
01:06:25,408 --> 01:06:26,608
I said,"Great.
1320
01:06:26,944 --> 01:06:29,333
We're making a movie
about ourselves."
1321
01:06:30,432 --> 01:06:32,319
It's a Disney fantasy, your life.
1322
01:06:32,448 --> 01:06:35,244
At the moment. I never thought
I would be a CEO of a company.
1323
01:06:35,264 --> 01:06:36,931
I never thought I would run Disney.
1324
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,764
I'd like to freeze everything right now.
1325
01:06:38,784 --> 01:06:42,362
I'd like to just freeze.
I'd like to stay my age. I like my age.
1326
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,454
I like my wife's age.
I like my children's age.
1327
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,462
I like the way Disney is going.
1328
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:50,876
This is your big night.
1329
01:06:52,576 --> 01:06:53,591
Yes, it is.
1330
01:06:53,728 --> 01:06:55,735
I'd like to freeze my life right now.
1331
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,469
It was Easter Sunday, 1994.
1332
01:07:01,888 --> 01:07:04,987
And a single event
in Nevada's Ruby Mountains
1333
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,120
would set in motion
an unimaginable chain of events.
1334
01:07:08,256 --> 01:07:10,988
The helicopter had flown approximately
a mile down the canyon
1335
01:07:11,008 --> 01:07:15,742
before it crashed into a rugged hillside
at approximately 7,200 feet.
1336
01:07:15,872 --> 01:07:21,240
This is the only helicopter crash and
the first fatality in the company's history.
1337
01:07:31,872 --> 01:07:36,214
There are some griefs
that have to be shared.
1338
01:07:36,352 --> 01:07:39,767
Likewise, there are some joys
so overwhelming
1339
01:07:39,904 --> 01:07:43,286
that they should be shared as well.
1340
01:07:43,424 --> 01:07:47,254
And while we all give Frank's death
and grieve it,
1341
01:07:47,392 --> 01:07:50,261
we all share the joy
of having known Frank.
1342
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,499
That is why we are here today,
to remember...
1343
01:07:53,632 --> 01:07:56,054
To remember and to celebrate,
1344
01:07:56,192 --> 01:08:00,415
to pay tribute to one man who had magic
1345
01:08:00,544 --> 01:08:04,668
and to share the magic with him
through his whole creative life.
1346
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,826
The songs and music you have heard
and will hear today
1347
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,757
are not the songs of music
of sorrow or of death.
1348
01:08:12,896 --> 01:08:16,191
They are the songs
that Frank Wells enjoyed...
1349
01:08:24,736 --> 01:08:27,485
These are the songs
that Frank enjoyed during his life.
1350
01:08:27,616 --> 01:08:30,333
I would now like to introduce the man
1351
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:35,070
who thought up Frank and me
for this job, Roy Disney.
1352
01:08:37,792 --> 01:08:39,483
That was it?
1353
01:08:49,024 --> 01:08:50,038
My speaker's off.
1354
01:08:50,175 --> 01:08:55,227
This is a fantastic, wonderful,
unbelievable human being.
1355
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:56,822
Okay?
1356
01:08:59,104 --> 01:09:00,631
Okay.
1357
01:09:00,896 --> 01:09:04,059
Frank was the peacemaker
amongst all these tremendous egos.
1358
01:09:04,192 --> 01:09:08,283
And when Frank died,
there was no one to talk to.
1359
01:09:08,415 --> 01:09:09,822
Nobody knew what to say.
1360
01:09:09,952 --> 01:09:15,037
It was a very strange quietness
that overcame the studio,
1361
01:09:15,168 --> 01:09:17,535
just wondering, "Now what?"
1362
01:09:20,064 --> 01:09:22,398
And that is a little baby cub.
1363
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,375
And he is just the cutest thing.
1364
01:09:25,504 --> 01:09:28,919
And this guy is gonna grow up
to be 750 pounds.
1365
01:09:31,776 --> 01:09:33,183
Ever since Frank's death,
1366
01:09:33,312 --> 01:09:36,443
Jeffrey was lobbying for Frank's job
as president of the company,
1367
01:09:36,576 --> 01:09:38,380
but Roy wouldn't have anything
to do with it.
1368
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,516
He already felt uncomfortable with the
amount of press that Jeffrey was getting.
1369
01:09:41,536 --> 01:09:43,194
I was out front on these movies.
1370
01:09:43,327 --> 01:09:44,822
I was selling the films.
1371
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,986
The more successful they were,
the more attention came to me,
1372
01:09:49,216 --> 01:09:52,445
the more I was able
to get attention for the films.
1373
01:09:52,768 --> 01:09:55,289
- He's getting restless, so shoot away.
- Yeah, okay.
1374
01:09:55,424 --> 01:09:56,733
- That's it.
- There we go.
1375
01:09:56,864 --> 01:10:00,923
Great, good. Pancho, good. Pancho.
1376
01:10:01,056 --> 01:10:03,031
At the time, I think many people felt,
1377
01:10:03,168 --> 01:10:06,299
well, am I doing this for me
and my own career?
1378
01:10:06,432 --> 01:10:09,977
I think Michael became very competitive
with me at some point in this.
1379
01:10:10,111 --> 01:10:12,076
He was uncomfortable
with the amount of attention
1380
01:10:12,096 --> 01:10:13,836
and recognition that I was getting for it.
1381
01:10:13,856 --> 01:10:16,703
I think Roy
was extremely uptight about it.
1382
01:10:20,224 --> 01:10:23,052
Jeffrey was gonna come in with
a reporter from The Wall Street Journal
1383
01:10:23,072 --> 01:10:25,740
and he was gonna follow us around
to show how the movie got made.
1384
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,346
And Jeffrey performed for the journalist
1385
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:32,342
and we created what looked like a slice
of how the movie actually got made.
1386
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:37,630
And in that article, Jeffrey was proclaimed
the guy who was saving Disney Animation.
1387
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,404
I think that was kind of a last-straw
kind of a thing for me.
1388
01:10:41,535 --> 01:10:43,194
I was just incensed by that.
1389
01:10:43,328 --> 01:10:47,223
This is the vaunted Walt Disney
Company's animation machine in action:
1390
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,971
collaborative, confrontational,
extravagant, exacting,
1391
01:10:51,104 --> 01:10:56,286
and under the meddlesome, protective
hand of Mr. Katzenberg, wildly successful.
1392
01:10:56,416 --> 01:10:59,732
The studio that invented
the animated movie in the 1930s,
1393
01:10:59,872 --> 01:11:03,418
but stumbled badly in the past decades,
is back with a vengeance.
1394
01:11:03,552 --> 01:11:06,454
It has produced an unparalleled
string of blockbusters,
1395
01:11:06,592 --> 01:11:09,975
from The Little Mermaid
to Beauty and the Beast to Aladdin.
1396
01:11:10,112 --> 01:11:13,592
In fact, counting ancillary activities
like merchandising,
1397
01:11:13,728 --> 01:11:16,597
video sales and theme-park attractions,
1398
01:11:16,736 --> 01:11:20,184
Disney's animated movies
are simply the most successful products
1399
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,687
in the history
of the entertainment business.
1400
01:11:24,127 --> 01:11:26,364
It was the president
of Walt Disney Studios
1401
01:11:26,496 --> 01:11:29,068
versus the king of the jungle
in Las Vegas Sunday night.
1402
01:11:29,088 --> 01:11:32,699
And luckily, Jeffrey Katzenberg
can live to laugh about it.
1403
01:11:32,832 --> 01:11:35,071
You know,
the final moment that was literally...
1404
01:11:35,104 --> 01:11:36,587
And I knew it, the day it happened
1405
01:11:36,607 --> 01:11:38,507
the straw that broke the camel's back is
1406
01:11:38,527 --> 01:11:41,244
there was an article that
Rich Turner wrote
1407
01:11:41,376 --> 01:11:45,270
in The Wall Street Journal
about Lion King.
1408
01:11:45,408 --> 01:11:50,394
And it was so interesting,
because when I got up in the morning,
1409
01:11:50,528 --> 01:11:52,652
I read the paper, you know,
very early in the morning
1410
01:11:52,672 --> 01:11:55,308
and I remember saying to Marilyn
before I left for work, I said,
1411
01:11:55,328 --> 01:11:58,011
"Well, this is over.
1412
01:11:58,144 --> 01:12:00,697
This is the nail in my coffin."
1413
01:12:04,768 --> 01:12:07,530
It is now 22 minutes before the hour.
I'm over 50 years old
1414
01:12:07,648 --> 01:12:11,641
and every time Disney comes out with
a new animated movie, I rush off to see it.
1415
01:12:11,775 --> 01:12:13,996
And all this week,
we're gonna be looking at the magic
1416
01:12:14,016 --> 01:12:16,699
that has created
the new Disney animated feature.
1417
01:12:16,831 --> 01:12:18,293
It is called The Lion King.
1418
01:12:18,432 --> 01:12:20,099
So you all test this, these things.
1419
01:12:20,128 --> 01:12:22,266
Tell me, give me a little...
Give me a taste.
1420
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,123
What is the test on The Lion King?
1421
01:12:24,255 --> 01:12:26,540
First of all, we don't believe in research.
I never have.
1422
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:27,607
Really?
Never.
1423
01:12:27,743 --> 01:12:31,638
That being said, it's the
highest-tested film we have ever had.
1424
01:12:31,776 --> 01:12:33,131
I'm very proud to be part of it.
1425
01:12:33,151 --> 01:12:37,624
And to be proud part of that great tradition
of Disney animated features.
1426
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,517
Hakuna matata, which of course,
in Swahili, means "500 million worldwide."
1427
01:12:42,656 --> 01:12:45,852
Actually, hakuna matata,
in Swahili, does mean "no worries."
1428
01:12:45,983 --> 01:12:48,364
And, boy, judging from the success
of The Lion King,
1429
01:12:48,384 --> 01:12:51,930
it is safe to say that at this point,
Disney Studios, which made the movie,
1430
01:12:52,064 --> 01:12:53,919
has hakuna matata.
1431
01:12:54,048 --> 01:12:55,510
We're live from Los Angeles.
1432
01:12:55,648 --> 01:12:58,844
And here coming up
on the red carpet is Matthew Broderick.
1433
01:13:02,176 --> 01:13:04,524
About four years ago,
we all decided we were gonna make it,
1434
01:13:04,544 --> 01:13:07,839
and so, you know,
you fall in love pretty soon after that.
1435
01:13:07,968 --> 01:13:11,742
So four years ago, I would say,
"Well, yeah," but now, it's great.
1436
01:13:11,872 --> 01:13:14,261
By the time The Lion King
premiered in Hollywood,
1437
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:16,204
the press had picked up on the tensions
1438
01:13:16,224 --> 01:13:19,901
and Jeffrey waved off all interviews
on the red carpet.
1439
01:13:21,408 --> 01:13:24,375
I had lunch with Michael
and, you know, he said to me,
1440
01:13:24,512 --> 01:13:27,895
"I'm not interested
in having you take this job.
1441
01:13:28,032 --> 01:13:31,261
Even though I said I was
and promised you that you were,
1442
01:13:31,392 --> 01:13:32,669
I've changed my mind."
1443
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:34,444
And I said to him,"Fine, I understand.
1444
01:13:34,464 --> 01:13:37,195
But, you know, in changing your mind
and deciding to do it,
1445
01:13:37,215 --> 01:13:40,030
you know, it really says to me
I have no future here."
1446
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,324
Jeffrey was a very good
executive. He just played it wrong.
1447
01:13:43,456 --> 01:13:46,456
Had he been happy to stay at the studio,
stay in his job,
1448
01:13:46,592 --> 01:13:50,269
not push everybody against the wall
at a moment when somebody had died,
1449
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:55,670
he would have gotten the job,
had he just had the patience to wait.
1450
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,296
Whenever you're comfortable.
You are rolling?
1451
01:14:05,344 --> 01:14:07,254
Yeah.
Okay.
1452
01:14:07,904 --> 01:14:12,443
With all the many varied businesses
this company is in, it is...
1453
01:14:12,576 --> 01:14:15,576
The cast-and-crew premiere
was coming up fast.
1454
01:14:15,712 --> 01:14:17,740
It was tradition for all of us
to get up on-stage
1455
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,516
and give warm thank-you speeches.
1456
01:14:19,648 --> 01:14:22,188
But this time, I decided to film
all the speeches instead
1457
01:14:22,208 --> 01:14:24,826
an unbelievable job over the last decade,
1458
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,710
culminating in Lion King,
and pushing forward...
1459
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,936
Soon after,
Michael complained of chest pains
1460
01:14:30,015 --> 01:14:31,307
and was rushed to the hospital
1461
01:14:31,327 --> 01:14:34,589
where he underwent
quadruple bypass surgery.
1462
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,702
All right, I gotta just...
Mind on other things.
1463
01:14:44,192 --> 01:14:47,672
Ten years after he ushered Frank
and Michael into the company,
1464
01:14:47,808 --> 01:14:49,979
and with Animation
at the height of success,
1465
01:14:50,112 --> 01:14:52,000
the wheels were coming off the car.
1466
01:14:52,128 --> 01:14:53,502
You're not rolling, I hope.
1467
01:14:55,264 --> 01:14:56,758
Anytime.
1468
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,575
Well, I just wanna personally say
thank you to everybody
1469
01:15:00,704 --> 01:15:04,119
for another absolutely incredible job
on another marvelous movie
1470
01:15:04,256 --> 01:15:06,907
on the way to the next great movie.
1471
01:15:11,456 --> 01:15:15,384
Ten years ago,
when we arrived here at Disney
1472
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,836
and Roy took Michael and I in hand
1473
01:15:18,975 --> 01:15:22,074
over to the second floor
of the Animation Building,
1474
01:15:22,207 --> 01:15:26,485
and with Ron and John, walked us through
those initial storyboards
1475
01:15:26,624 --> 01:15:30,104
for The Great Mouse Detective,
1476
01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,662
there's not a chance in the world
1477
01:15:33,792 --> 01:15:37,305
that with all the imagination
I could muster
1478
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:43,670
that I could envision ten years later
being here
1479
01:15:44,191 --> 01:15:50,935
and having the kinds of movies,
collaboration and pride
1480
01:15:51,072 --> 01:15:56,985
that I feel having been a part
of this extraordinary team
1481
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,324
called Disney Feature Animation.
1482
01:15:59,456 --> 01:16:06,842
For me, it is what makes coming
to work every day so special.
1483
01:16:06,975 --> 01:16:12,245
And to all of you, I'm not sure
I can ever tell you how much it means
1484
01:16:12,383 --> 01:16:15,100
and how much I love being part
of your family.
1485
01:16:15,232 --> 01:16:20,829
And how proud I am to have been a part
of these movies with the best in the world.
1486
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,160
Thank you.
1487
01:16:22,272 --> 01:16:25,621
After the opening of The Lion King,
he resigned.
1488
01:16:27,168 --> 01:16:29,786
Go to any institution, any university,
1489
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,862
any hospital, any corporation,
1490
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,007
any home, any house. You know what?
1491
01:16:34,144 --> 01:16:38,203
The human condition overshadows
bricks and mortar every time.
1492
01:16:38,336 --> 01:16:42,046
And it's about fear and envy
and jealousy and comfort
1493
01:16:42,176 --> 01:16:44,729
and love and hate and accomplishment.
1494
01:16:44,864 --> 01:16:46,555
Every institution has it.
1495
01:16:46,687 --> 01:16:49,371
Were we a bunch of artistic,
emotional people
1496
01:16:49,504 --> 01:16:52,268
running around, screaming and crying
and ranting and raving?
1497
01:16:52,288 --> 01:16:56,663
No, it was an organized group of people
working together, saying,
1498
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,588
"Let's put on a show."
1499
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:01,931
After all that drama, the late nights,
the cold pizza, the bruised egos
1500
01:17:01,951 --> 01:17:03,740
and all those hours away from family,
1501
01:17:03,871 --> 01:17:06,348
in the end, nobody will remember
who did what to who,
1502
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:11,069
but they will remember the characters
who leapt from a pencil onto the screen
1503
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,363
and into the hearts of the audience,
and that's how it should be.
1504
01:17:14,496 --> 01:17:20,027
I just don't think anything is quite
as magical as a Disney cartoon fairy tale.
1505
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:21,818
There's just nothing like that.
1506
01:18:06,015 --> 01:18:08,055
And now the grand finale.
1507
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,612
Hello, out there.
Hi, how are you?
1508
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,200
Hi.
Hello.
1509
01:18:23,392 --> 01:18:24,472
Hello.
Hi.
1510
01:18:24,607 --> 01:18:25,622
Hi, and...
1511
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,167
Oh, hi.
1512
01:18:27,296 --> 01:18:28,637
Hi.
1513
01:18:29,376 --> 01:18:30,576
Hi.
Hello.
1514
01:18:30,688 --> 01:18:32,117
- Hi.
- Can you say hi?
1515
01:18:33,151 --> 01:18:34,962
Hello, this is simply not good enough.
1516
01:18:39,648 --> 01:18:41,623
- Linda, do you have enough air?
- Yeah?
1517
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,865
Try me.
Just it feels great to be here.
1518
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,571
We were both riotously drunk
and we were thrown in jail.
1519
01:18:46,591 --> 01:18:48,347
Game!
1520
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:51,775
Okay, Goofy,
let's see what you got. Oh!
1521
01:18:54,784 --> 01:18:56,922
I knew something was up.
1522
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:01,560
Hello.
Hi.
1523
01:19:01,695 --> 01:19:03,157
Hello.
Hi, Mom.
1524
01:19:03,296 --> 01:19:04,758
Hi.
1525
01:19:09,824 --> 01:19:11,897
Let me out of here. Let me out.
1526
01:19:12,032 --> 01:19:16,734
Hi. We're going 130 kilometers
per hour here
1527
01:19:16,864 --> 01:19:19,863
through the French countryside
and I'm not wearing any pants.
1528
01:19:21,408 --> 01:19:22,684
Disney, number one.
1529
01:19:28,927 --> 01:19:31,099
I love it here!
1530
01:19:31,232 --> 01:19:33,337
- And I wanna...
- All right.
1531
01:19:38,208 --> 01:19:40,281
Okay, ready?
Burgess Meredith first?
1532
01:19:53,216 --> 01:19:54,416
Come on, Aladdin.
1533
01:19:56,608 --> 01:19:58,751
I don't know what I'm saying.
Just go with me!
1534
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:05,243
I'm kind of a little self-conscious.
1535
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:09,205
It's about time it's coming out.
1536
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,069
See here.
1537
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:12,400
Oh, my breast.
1538
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:18,841
Roger has no weak spots.
1539
01:20:18,976 --> 01:20:21,878
I started in 1945.
Yes, I called you the kiss-ass of cleanup.
1540
01:20:22,016 --> 01:20:23,510
Oh, dear, I've said too much.
1541
01:20:23,647 --> 01:20:26,135
I'm gonna ask you a question
before I continue.
1542
01:20:26,272 --> 01:20:29,338
Am I allowed to mention
Jeffrey Katzenberg?
1543
01:20:31,712 --> 01:20:33,332
Tell him just to put a sweater on.
1544
01:21:46,432 --> 01:21:48,537
I'm stuck for the rest of it.
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