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When I was six, my grandmother died.
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My father drove us to his hometown
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of Wiggins, South Carolina
for her funeral.
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I had never met her,
so her death didn't mean much to me…
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though it made my father very sad.
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I was afraid of her in that coffin.
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She was part of something
that, even at six, I wondered about.
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The place after this one.
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I worried she was looking down
and didn't like us because we were young.
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Where's Dr. Zicherman?
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Excuse me.
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Where's Dr. Zicherman?
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He's on vacation.
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He didn't tell you?
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No.
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That seems so unlike him.
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Do you see him every Tuesday?
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No, just--
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Just, you know.
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No, I don't know.
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Just if I need to.
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Well, that's an uncommon arrangement.
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How'd you know I'd be here?
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Routine schedule is foundational
in the doctor-patient relationship.
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But how did you know I'd be here?
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I don't understand the question.
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But Dr. Zicherman and I
don't have a routine.
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How did you know
I had an appointment today?
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We have a daily schedule.
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Your name was on it.
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Why are you here?
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Because I had an appointment.
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No.
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Why are you here?
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The charges involved
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selling unregistered weapons
and crossing state lines to do so.
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Why are you here?
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I just told you.
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Why are you?
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To treat mental illness.
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Came to the right place.
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I'm not in law enforcement.
I'm not a judge.
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I don't concern myself
with the crimes of the men I treat.
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My sole concern is
protecting their mental health.
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Sounds like you found
your purpose in life.
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Do you prefer James or Jimmy?
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Jimmy.
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Jimmy.
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Some people's psyches are
so much more fragile
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than most people
you've probably encountered in your life.
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Or your own, for example.
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How do you know anything about my psyche?
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I don't know much.
But I suspect you're of fairly sound mind.
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Good to know.
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But some of my patients are not.
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They're one wrong thought,
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one termite of an unhealthy idea
from losing their minds.
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If they break,
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sometimes the person they were
never comes back from the break.
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They become ghosts in their own bodies.
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Why are you telling me this?
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I'm asking you for compassion
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when you deal with
some of the men in here.
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Some of the men?
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Jimmy…
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Doctor.
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- I'm asking--
- Asking what?
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Are you a threat to the mental health
of any of my patients?
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Which patients?
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I'm giving you
an opportunity for candor here.
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I urge you to take it seriously.
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Which… patients?
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After they buried my grandmother,
my father drove us to the ocean.
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It was the only time
I would ever see the ocean.
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When they were looking
for Tricia Reitler, Larry drove Marion PD
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up and down these roads
over and over and over again.
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"I think I buried her here.
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No, it was here.
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Maybe it was there.
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No, I think I buried her under a tree."
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Exactly.
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That night before I take him back
to Illinois, they go back out there.
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Same area, same result.
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I think she's there. Somewhere.
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That's why he dragged them back out
a second time.
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Son of a bitch couldn't get enough of it.
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Let me see
if I can get my hands on these reports.
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All right.
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They took a left up here before the lake.
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There's nothing but fields out here.
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That's a nice gas station
for the middle of nowhere.
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Yeah.
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All right, there should be a haul road
right up here. Take a right there.
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- Well, good morning, James.
- Morning, Larry.
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I didn't see you yesterday.
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Nothing happened
that didn't happen the day before.
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And the day before that, right?
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How was your day?
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It was good. Thanks for asking.
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Gary visited.
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- That's cool.
- It was.
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Always nice to see family.
Is he into cars too?
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A little. Well, not like me.
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But the Civil War stuff?
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He didn't stick with it.
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That's a shame.
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He married a stinky bitch.
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Well…
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She thinks it's "playing dress-up."
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She said that?
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Oh, yeah.
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So I said to her-- I said,
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"You would be a grandmother
in Civil War times. An old hag."
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Nobody would fight for her.
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Brides were young.
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Unspoiled.
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People married younger then.
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Much younger. Yeah.
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My great-grandmother
had my grandmother when she was just 14.
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That was perfectly normal back then.
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Until the government saw
a way to make money.
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By raising the age of consent?
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Exactly.
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Nobody attended a high school back then.
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There was no such thing.
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But, once the government saw
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that there was money to be made
in high schools,
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well, then greed trumps all.
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It's not about education.
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- No?
- No, it's about--
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It's about forcing kids
to delay growing up.
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So that their parents can spend
every extra dime on tuition,
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and everyone makes money.
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And that's what's going to
bankrupt the country someday.
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You know,
I never thought about it that way,
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but damn.
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You could be onto something.
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You think?
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You got a fresh perspective.
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You must have heard that before.
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Thank you.
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So these brides were how young?
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Twelve, 13 for sure.
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Old enough to pee,
old enough for me. Right?
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That's funny.
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Hey…
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So what's the--
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what's the youngest you ever had?
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What?
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The youngest you ever had.
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You first.
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Why? I asked first.
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You first.
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Fourteen.
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Did she fight back?
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No. You had some fighters?
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How old were you?
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With the 14-year-old?
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She was a freshman.
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I was a senior, so I was 17.
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- What?
- Seventeen.
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Larry.
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Is it still dripping?
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Drip's turned into leaks.
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He had 'em drive
up and down 400 East several times.
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440 South is mentioned four times.
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So is 250 East and 375 South.
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This is pointless.
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He took 'em up and down 550 East the most.
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Six times the first time.
Five times the second.
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Okay. 550 intersects with 400
at that gas station.
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Maybe they stopped
for sodas and bathroom breaks.
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I doubt that gas station was there.
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That looked pretty new.
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So, what was there?
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Here it is.
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Construction at 550-400 intersection.
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Hey, there a manager around?
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Dale only comes in a couple times a week.
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The rest of the time?
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It's just me and Keith.
He works the 3:00 to 11:00.
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How long you been here?
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Since 6:00.
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No, not today.
How long have you worked here?
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Six months.
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Would you know
how long this place has been open?
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A few years, I think.
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Dale and Keith know exactly?
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Dale's been here since the beginning.
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Got his number?
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Thank you.
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You work on cars here?
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No, sir.
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Know anybody who does?
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Not local, no.
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Where's the nearest auto parts dealer
around here?
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I don't know. Not into cars.
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John Dickey though…
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"John Dickey though," what?
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He's like a Mr. Fixit.
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People bring him stuff to fix sometimes,
but it ain't, like, official.
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Uh-huh. John Dickey?
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John Dickey Hansen.
He runs a bait shop up the road.
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Okay, thanks.
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The manager said the station opened
in the spring of '94.
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He says he believes they broke ground
around midsummer of '93.
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Fucking Larry Hall.
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I heard you tried to get
some product in here.
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Don't do that.
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A shrug is a nonanswer,
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and a nonanswer is disrespectful.
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I thought about it,
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but it turned out
I couldn't get it in here.
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But let's say you had.
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And you used it
to dig someone out of some trouble
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they're having on the outside.
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Now, that would help them.
Maybe it'd help you.
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But I don't see how it would help me.
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I'm not sure I understand.
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A man who can't get help anywhere else
eventually comes to me.
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And then he's in my debt.
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My apologies. Sincerely.
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I fucked up. I had no idea.
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All right.
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I asked around about you. In Milwaukee.
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You checked out. Flying colors.
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Everyone knew someone who knew someone
who knew you and spoke highly of you.
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That's nice.
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But no one could remember
laying eyes on you directly.
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Everyone knew someone who said they had,
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but no one had
actually done it themselves.
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What do you make of that?
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They need to get out more.
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Is that what they need to do?
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Do you have kids?
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How was your week, Larry?
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I'm just asking.
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Would you describe it as productive?
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I'm just asking!
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And you have asked before.
Several times over the years.
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And what has been my response?
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I'm just curious.
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What has been my response?
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You don't discuss your personal life.
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Correct.
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That's all that I discuss.
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Because you are the patient,
and I am the doctor.
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Can't we try, like, role reversal?
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Isn't that therapeutic?
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And what would you say to me
if you were my doctor?
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Bitch, tell me your dreams!
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I bet they smell good.
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Your children.
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What's troubling you?
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Nothing.
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You often use provocation
to mask vulnerability.
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I'm not vulnerable. You're vulnerable.
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You seem agitated.
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I'm perfectly fucking fine.
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It's the best mood I've been in for years,
and you don't like it.
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Why wouldn't I like it?
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Because if I got better
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and I told people how,
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and then those people got better…
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you'd have no job.
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Then I'd retire.
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You-- Then you'd retire.
268
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And have tea with your daughters.
269
00:25:33,060 --> 00:25:37,147
Watch them bend over
to do their gardening.
270
00:25:38,315 --> 00:25:40,234
What's making you feel so good?
271
00:25:41,652 --> 00:25:42,694
My appeal.
272
00:25:44,321 --> 00:25:45,822
You have fresh news about it?
273
00:25:48,617 --> 00:25:49,618
Let's just say
274
00:25:49,701 --> 00:25:53,664
that there are positive signs
if you know how to read them.
275
00:25:55,749 --> 00:25:57,376
That would explain your affect.
276
00:25:57,876 --> 00:25:59,169
What's my affect?
277
00:26:00,504 --> 00:26:01,755
Confident.
278
00:26:03,715 --> 00:26:04,800
Almost cocky.
279
00:26:08,011 --> 00:26:12,182
Sometimes a man has
every reason to feel that way.
280
00:26:15,435 --> 00:26:17,479
Well, I've seen you confident before.
281
00:26:17,563 --> 00:26:18,564
When?
282
00:26:19,106 --> 00:26:23,569
When you talk about Civil War history
and engines and old car parts.
283
00:26:25,904 --> 00:26:27,489
I've just never seen you cocky.
284
00:26:29,575 --> 00:26:31,285
That seems more like your friend.
285
00:26:32,828 --> 00:26:33,829
What friend?
286
00:26:36,665 --> 00:26:37,749
You mean James.
287
00:26:39,042 --> 00:26:43,172
You know who I mean, Larry.
He's very charismatic.
288
00:26:43,672 --> 00:26:44,840
You've met him?
289
00:26:45,841 --> 00:26:46,967
Our paths crossed.
290
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,888
I see what you respond to in him.
291
00:26:52,347 --> 00:26:56,518
He gives off the aura
of someone who's never known regret.
292
00:26:57,186 --> 00:27:00,022
He decides something, he does it.
He never looks back.
293
00:27:05,444 --> 00:27:06,862
You'd think that, but…
294
00:27:09,281 --> 00:27:12,201
Well, but he has known regret.
295
00:27:12,284 --> 00:27:13,911
He does regret things.
296
00:27:13,994 --> 00:27:15,746
He has known pain.
297
00:27:16,246 --> 00:27:21,627
But he doesn't, you know, let it warp him.
298
00:27:22,586 --> 00:27:27,049
Is that how you see yourself?
Warped by pain?
299
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:31,053
Not lately.
300
00:27:34,556 --> 00:27:35,766
Because of James.
301
00:27:41,772 --> 00:27:42,773
I'm…
302
00:27:44,858 --> 00:27:46,860
I'm not alone anymore.
303
00:27:59,873 --> 00:28:01,625
When I was in seventh grade,
304
00:28:01,708 --> 00:28:04,294
Cooper Ross told me, "You're so nice,"
305
00:28:04,378 --> 00:28:05,712
and then he turned red
306
00:28:05,796 --> 00:28:08,298
and couldn't look me in the eyes
for a few minutes.
307
00:28:33,115 --> 00:28:34,116
Hello.
308
00:28:56,638 --> 00:28:57,806
Help you?
309
00:28:57,890 --> 00:28:59,725
Are you John Dickey Hansen?
310
00:29:00,267 --> 00:29:02,352
Well, you can call me JD, if you like.
311
00:29:03,437 --> 00:29:04,688
You sell auto parts here?
312
00:29:05,189 --> 00:29:08,734
Well, if I happen across something that's
worth putting an ad in the Auto Trader,
313
00:29:08,817 --> 00:29:09,818
I might do so.
314
00:29:10,402 --> 00:29:11,570
You ever meet this guy?
315
00:29:14,448 --> 00:29:15,490
That's Larry.
316
00:29:16,033 --> 00:29:17,367
So, you know him well?
317
00:29:17,451 --> 00:29:18,869
No, miss.
318
00:29:19,578 --> 00:29:22,289
He's just memorable.
319
00:29:22,372 --> 00:29:24,458
Those mutton chops, whatnot.
320
00:29:25,876 --> 00:29:27,294
Help me out with "whatnot."
321
00:29:31,632 --> 00:29:34,927
He's as creepy as all fuck, you know?
Excuse me.
322
00:29:35,010 --> 00:29:37,221
No, speak freely.
323
00:29:37,304 --> 00:29:39,806
Well, I sold him a pair
of slotted brake rotors
324
00:29:39,890 --> 00:29:42,184
for a '79 Dodge B200
325
00:29:42,267 --> 00:29:46,230
back about, I don't know, '92, '93.
326
00:29:46,813 --> 00:29:48,649
Seemed a harmless squirt of a fella.
327
00:29:49,233 --> 00:29:51,276
Had that look of somebody
who'd never been hugged.
328
00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:53,445
Not even as a baby.
329
00:29:54,863 --> 00:29:58,242
You know, I guess I was too kind to him,
330
00:29:58,325 --> 00:30:02,079
'cause he started coming back
even when he didn't need a part.
331
00:30:02,746 --> 00:30:07,459
Started just hanging around,
talking up the young girls.
332
00:30:08,752 --> 00:30:10,003
Anything ever happen?
333
00:30:10,963 --> 00:30:13,590
What do you mean, like bad? No.
334
00:30:13,674 --> 00:30:15,342
We run him off after a while.
335
00:30:16,051 --> 00:30:18,637
Every now and then
I wonder what ever became of him.
336
00:30:20,514 --> 00:30:24,017
Since you're coming around
asking about him, figure it ain't good.
337
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:26,436
Why'd you run him off?
338
00:30:28,814 --> 00:30:30,691
He made too many of the girls
uncomfortable.
339
00:30:31,608 --> 00:30:32,776
Including my own.
340
00:30:35,612 --> 00:30:36,613
Audrey.
341
00:30:36,697 --> 00:30:41,118
She was a teenager then,
but Larry took a shine to her.
342
00:30:42,202 --> 00:30:43,912
Sure didn't sit right with me.
343
00:30:44,621 --> 00:30:45,706
Is Audrey around?
344
00:30:46,206 --> 00:30:49,626
She's in town running some errands.
Should be back soon.
345
00:30:52,004 --> 00:30:53,338
You mind if we wait around?
346
00:30:54,798 --> 00:30:55,924
Not in the least.
347
00:31:09,188 --> 00:31:12,566
When I was 12,
my sister and I got new sneakers.
348
00:31:15,402 --> 00:31:18,780
And almost immediately,
we stepped in cow pies,
349
00:31:18,864 --> 00:31:21,992
even though our parents told us
to stay clear of that field.
350
00:31:32,461 --> 00:31:34,463
Took hours for those shoes to dry.
351
00:31:40,219 --> 00:31:42,346
I don't remember anything we talked about.
352
00:31:46,058 --> 00:31:47,392
Just that we were happy.
353
00:31:55,317 --> 00:31:57,361
Be a good boy.
You listen to your mother.
354
00:31:57,444 --> 00:31:58,695
I don't wanna hear this…
355
00:32:06,078 --> 00:32:08,121
Thank you for using DOP Connect.
356
00:32:08,205 --> 00:32:10,624
To make a call,
please enter your account number.
357
00:32:13,585 --> 00:32:15,504
That account number is not recognized.
358
00:32:15,587 --> 00:32:17,923
To make a call,
please enter your account number.
359
00:32:21,093 --> 00:32:23,220
That account number is not recognized.
360
00:32:23,303 --> 00:32:25,764
To make a call,
please enter your account number.
361
00:32:34,857 --> 00:32:36,316
That account number is not recog--
362
00:32:42,906 --> 00:32:44,992
That account number is not recog--
363
00:32:46,201 --> 00:32:47,536
That accoun--
364
00:32:53,542 --> 00:32:55,210
Hang up the fucking phone!
365
00:32:58,005 --> 00:32:59,173
This phone?
366
00:33:09,474 --> 00:33:10,601
Be my guest.
367
00:33:13,395 --> 00:33:14,980
…please enter your account number.
368
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:24,656
…snitch.
369
00:33:29,536 --> 00:33:30,913
Can't have that on the yard.
370
00:33:52,518 --> 00:33:53,519
…snitch.
371
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:11,036
Yes, sir. I understand what you're saying,
372
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,038
but I'm telling you
there must be a mistake
373
00:34:13,121 --> 00:34:15,666
because I paid that credit card myself
just last week.
374
00:34:16,875 --> 00:34:19,503
You're telling me that my son
can't make or receive calls?
375
00:34:19,586 --> 00:34:21,088
Is that what you're telling me?
376
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,551
Okay, sir, please.
377
00:34:25,634 --> 00:34:30,054
How about if I give you the credit card
right here, right now, over the phone.
378
00:34:30,138 --> 00:34:32,014
Would you be able to connect me then?
379
00:34:34,016 --> 00:34:36,562
Okay. All right. Thank you.
380
00:34:36,645 --> 00:34:39,063
I appreciate you trying to help.
381
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:47,072
Bitch. Motherfucker.
382
00:34:48,866 --> 00:34:50,158
Jim, I should come with you.
383
00:34:50,242 --> 00:34:53,704
No, hon. I'll be fine.
I just need to clear my head.
384
00:34:53,786 --> 00:34:56,956
Okay. Well, don't get yourself worked up.
385
00:34:57,541 --> 00:35:00,377
I'm taking a drive to relax,
not to get worked up.
386
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,045
All right.
387
00:35:02,129 --> 00:35:04,339
Can you pick us up some KahlĂşa
on your way back?
388
00:35:04,422 --> 00:35:05,716
Yeah, imagine that.
389
00:35:20,898 --> 00:35:22,065
Woodshop.
390
00:35:22,983 --> 00:35:23,984
What's that?
391
00:35:24,484 --> 00:35:25,777
Last place I saw Larry.
392
00:35:45,422 --> 00:35:47,132
How long you been working on those?
393
00:35:49,176 --> 00:35:50,469
Couple of weeks.
394
00:35:56,308 --> 00:35:57,518
What do you do with them?
395
00:36:00,854 --> 00:36:02,356
I send them home.
396
00:36:05,025 --> 00:36:06,026
Why?
397
00:36:08,070 --> 00:36:11,740
Donny said that you
almost got into a fight today.
398
00:36:11,823 --> 00:36:12,950
At the phones?
399
00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:15,285
Yeah, some con wanted the phone.
400
00:36:16,203 --> 00:36:19,206
There's some mess-up with my account.
I can't make calls out.
401
00:36:19,915 --> 00:36:21,291
But you funded the account?
402
00:36:25,921 --> 00:36:27,297
Maybe you made an enemy.
403
00:36:29,591 --> 00:36:30,592
Of who?
404
00:36:31,969 --> 00:36:33,804
Someone who works here.
405
00:36:34,471 --> 00:36:37,266
Have you had any disagreements
with anyone lately?
406
00:36:41,228 --> 00:36:45,649
I had some minor words
with a guard yesterday.
407
00:36:45,732 --> 00:36:49,278
Can't remember the guy's name,
but he was just busting my balls.
408
00:36:50,571 --> 00:36:51,572
About what?
409
00:36:52,072 --> 00:36:53,115
Nothing.
410
00:36:54,992 --> 00:36:56,201
It's not nothing.
411
00:36:57,953 --> 00:36:59,788
James, come on. It's me.
412
00:37:02,708 --> 00:37:04,209
It was about you, Larry.
413
00:37:07,629 --> 00:37:11,258
Why would some guard talk about me?
414
00:37:13,385 --> 00:37:14,386
He said…
415
00:37:20,434 --> 00:37:24,438
He said you're a kid-diddler.
416
00:37:25,439 --> 00:37:28,192
And a kid-killer.
417
00:37:32,321 --> 00:37:33,989
I don't mean to laugh, I just--
418
00:37:35,866 --> 00:37:38,327
A kid-diddler?
419
00:37:40,621 --> 00:37:43,248
I've never raped anyone in my life, James.
420
00:37:49,004 --> 00:37:51,840
So, what did you do?
421
00:37:52,883 --> 00:37:54,968
I had sex with them.
422
00:37:56,678 --> 00:37:57,679
Okay.
423
00:37:58,722 --> 00:38:00,682
And they weren't children, James.
424
00:38:00,766 --> 00:38:05,979
Not until recently.
I mean, not back in the 1800s.
425
00:38:06,605 --> 00:38:07,606
Sure.
426
00:38:11,151 --> 00:38:14,655
James, how many women have you fucked?
427
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:19,826
- Since high school? I mean…
- No, not high school.
428
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:21,328
I mean how many women have--
429
00:38:21,411 --> 00:38:26,667
You know, over the high school ages,
have you fucked?
430
00:38:33,131 --> 00:38:34,508
- Eighty.
- What?
431
00:38:36,301 --> 00:38:37,678
- Eighty?
- I guess.
432
00:38:37,761 --> 00:38:40,681
I mean, there's probably
one or two I'm forgetting about,
433
00:38:40,764 --> 00:38:44,643
but I'm not totally sure the figure.
434
00:38:44,726 --> 00:38:48,021
That's not funny, James. Is it 80?
435
00:38:48,856 --> 00:38:49,940
Yeah.
436
00:38:50,524 --> 00:38:51,608
How?
437
00:38:52,276 --> 00:38:55,195
How did you manage to-- How--
438
00:38:55,988 --> 00:38:58,490
- Do you have like a line you use?
- No.
439
00:38:59,825 --> 00:39:03,453
I just-- I mean, I talk to 'em.
440
00:39:04,538 --> 00:39:07,666
And they talk to me,
and eventually, our clothes come off.
441
00:39:07,749 --> 00:39:09,501
- But how?
- I just told you.
442
00:39:09,585 --> 00:39:11,044
No you didn't.
443
00:39:14,882 --> 00:39:16,383
I don't follow, Larry. I'm sorry.
444
00:39:17,926 --> 00:39:22,389
No woman will ever just "talk to me."
445
00:39:27,186 --> 00:39:28,729
But younger girls will.
446
00:39:28,812 --> 00:39:29,897
Some.
447
00:39:30,564 --> 00:39:31,565
Yeah.
448
00:39:40,699 --> 00:39:43,118
She was nice at first.
449
00:39:45,704 --> 00:39:46,747
Who's that?
450
00:39:50,292 --> 00:39:52,336
- Who was nice, Larry?
- Jessica Roach.
451
00:39:57,382 --> 00:40:00,928
Her bike had a flat,
she was driving up this gravel road.
452
00:40:01,011 --> 00:40:02,387
Even though she had a mountain bike--
453
00:40:02,471 --> 00:40:04,932
You know, rocks and gravel
mix in with each other
454
00:40:05,015 --> 00:40:06,725
and rocks can be sharp, so…
455
00:40:08,769 --> 00:40:12,689
Girls think they're so smart,
but there she was with a flat.
456
00:40:17,986 --> 00:40:19,238
You fix it?
457
00:40:19,321 --> 00:40:22,741
- Oh, no. I just offered her a ride.
- Right.
458
00:40:22,824 --> 00:40:28,247
They make it sound like I jump
on these girls, James, and attack them.
459
00:40:28,330 --> 00:40:30,832
That's not reflective of the truth.
460
00:40:30,916 --> 00:40:33,752
She liked talking to me. She did.
461
00:40:34,837 --> 00:40:38,131
I had my bike that day,
and I opened up the doors to the van
462
00:40:38,215 --> 00:40:39,842
and I showed her, and…
463
00:40:40,384 --> 00:40:43,887
I told her how much I like cycling,
and we talked about that.
464
00:40:43,971 --> 00:40:46,598
Sounds like you had no trouble
talking to her, Larry.
465
00:40:46,682 --> 00:40:47,683
None.
466
00:40:48,267 --> 00:40:50,477
Yeah, she was nice, like I said.
467
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:53,230
Until she wasn't.
468
00:40:56,024 --> 00:40:57,317
She turned on you, huh?
469
00:40:59,361 --> 00:41:01,697
Like a rabid squirrel, just
470
00:41:05,284 --> 00:41:06,285
You remember why?
471
00:41:11,832 --> 00:41:13,500
Why are you asking?
472
00:41:18,881 --> 00:41:21,049
Shit, Larry,
I thought we were just talking.
473
00:41:22,634 --> 00:41:23,927
Is that what we're doing?
474
00:41:28,891 --> 00:41:30,017
That's what I'm doing.
475
00:41:37,858 --> 00:41:40,360
She got into my van just fine.
476
00:41:41,236 --> 00:41:44,615
She looked at my bike
and my cleaning supplies.
477
00:41:46,575 --> 00:41:52,289
She asked if I live locally,
and why I had such big burnsides.
478
00:41:52,372 --> 00:41:53,999
She called them sideburns.
479
00:41:57,044 --> 00:41:59,463
I told her about reenactments,
480
00:42:00,255 --> 00:42:02,549
and she asked really good questions,
you know?
481
00:42:02,633 --> 00:42:07,095
She was so curious and so smart.
482
00:42:10,098 --> 00:42:13,018
And so I kissed her.
483
00:42:16,772 --> 00:42:22,236
And that's when she turned mean.
Just awful, slapping me and hitting me.
484
00:42:23,153 --> 00:42:25,697
And I just had to rag her
with the starter fluid.
485
00:42:26,657 --> 00:42:27,824
I had to.
486
00:42:32,287 --> 00:42:34,289
So we drove for a little while.
487
00:42:34,373 --> 00:42:38,043
I was trying to find, like,
a nice, quiet, little place.
488
00:42:38,585 --> 00:42:41,129
And I did,
even though I didn't know where I was
489
00:42:41,213 --> 00:42:44,800
or where we were going, but I found one.
490
00:42:48,387 --> 00:42:49,513
Then what happened?
491
00:42:50,973 --> 00:42:52,891
I-- Well, I, you know.
492
00:42:54,768 --> 00:42:58,522
I went into the back of the van with her,
and I ragged her a few more times.
493
00:42:59,523 --> 00:43:00,774
She kept waking up?
494
00:43:03,777 --> 00:43:05,404
She scratched me.
495
00:43:06,488 --> 00:43:08,490
So hard. It was deep.
496
00:43:09,283 --> 00:43:13,245
And when I cleaned out the flesh
from under her nails later on,
497
00:43:13,328 --> 00:43:15,038
there was a lot of me under there.
498
00:43:15,789 --> 00:43:16,874
A lot of me.
499
00:43:16,957 --> 00:43:18,166
You have sex with her?
500
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:20,627
I knew you were gonna ask that.
No-- It's weird.
501
00:43:20,711 --> 00:43:23,672
I don't totally remember.
502
00:43:24,506 --> 00:43:28,635
It was like I blacked out,
but then it was like I was in a dream
503
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,139
where I see myself
beating on her and ragging her,
504
00:43:32,222 --> 00:43:33,807
beating on her and ragging her.
505
00:43:35,434 --> 00:43:39,396
And then I woke up,
and her clothes were off,
506
00:43:39,479 --> 00:43:40,898
and my clothes were off.
507
00:43:43,108 --> 00:43:44,401
So, I…
508
00:43:45,527 --> 00:43:49,323
I think we had sex together.
509
00:43:56,580 --> 00:43:57,956
Sure sounds like it, buddy.
510
00:44:12,971 --> 00:44:15,182
Well, then she started to cry.
511
00:44:21,772 --> 00:44:23,732
Sometimes they do that.
512
00:44:23,815 --> 00:44:25,275
They thought they wanted it,
513
00:44:26,193 --> 00:44:27,945
but they changed their mind
after the fact.
514
00:44:28,028 --> 00:44:30,155
Well, no, she was crying for her mother.
515
00:44:34,284 --> 00:44:35,410
She was, huh?
516
00:44:36,286 --> 00:44:38,288
"I want my mommy.
517
00:44:38,872 --> 00:44:43,001
Just take me to my mommy."
518
00:44:44,044 --> 00:44:45,921
I did not like that.
519
00:44:46,004 --> 00:44:48,340
It made me mad. It ruined everything.
520
00:44:49,007 --> 00:44:50,425
So, I took her out of the van,
521
00:44:50,509 --> 00:44:53,345
and I walked her
pretty far back into the field.
522
00:44:55,305 --> 00:44:58,267
And I found this tree,
and I had made this…
523
00:45:00,644 --> 00:45:04,606
Tool, I guess, that I had made
by putting two leather belts together.
524
00:45:05,107 --> 00:45:06,859
And I had this stick--
525
00:45:07,901 --> 00:45:11,280
Well, I told her to sit down
with her back against the tree.
526
00:45:13,240 --> 00:45:15,242
I didn't want to see her face, you know?
527
00:45:16,743 --> 00:45:17,744
And,
528
00:45:18,412 --> 00:45:22,499
So yeah, so then I quickly whipped
the two belts around her neck,
529
00:45:22,583 --> 00:45:25,961
and I squeezed and put the stick in.
530
00:45:26,044 --> 00:45:28,630
I just started twisting it,
like one of those…
531
00:45:31,008 --> 00:45:32,384
What do you call it…
532
00:45:33,385 --> 00:45:35,554
- Tourniquet?
- Tourniquet, exactly.
533
00:45:37,264 --> 00:45:38,265
Yeah.
534
00:45:39,224 --> 00:45:42,978
I just kept twisting
until she stopped making…
535
00:45:46,023 --> 00:45:47,107
You know.
536
00:45:49,484 --> 00:45:50,652
Sounds.
537
00:46:02,497 --> 00:46:04,750
Well, it sounds like
you did what you had to do.
538
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,975
Never said anything totally gross,
just off.
539
00:46:22,476 --> 00:46:24,061
Always off.
540
00:46:24,978 --> 00:46:25,979
How?
541
00:46:27,022 --> 00:46:30,442
He'd be like,
"You have really pretty ankles."
542
00:46:30,526 --> 00:46:33,654
Or, said to me once,
"Your earlobes are very ripe."
543
00:46:33,737 --> 00:46:35,364
That was Larry making small talk.
544
00:46:35,447 --> 00:46:39,159
Other times, he'd just sit at
one of the picnic benches and just stare.
545
00:46:39,660 --> 00:46:42,538
And, if it got to you
like sometimes it did,
546
00:46:42,621 --> 00:46:45,624
you'd be like, "Larry, what's up?"
547
00:46:45,707 --> 00:46:48,627
And he'd be all, "Did you know
that most cleaners contain lye?"
548
00:46:49,211 --> 00:46:52,673
And then he'd want you to go to his van
and look at the list of ingredients.
549
00:46:52,756 --> 00:46:55,175
- Did you ever go?
- Fuck no.
550
00:46:55,801 --> 00:46:57,219
You know anyone who did?
551
00:46:58,011 --> 00:47:01,348
Not around here, no.
We were all creeped out by him.
552
00:47:02,099 --> 00:47:04,518
Then, when he started to give me stuff…
553
00:47:04,601 --> 00:47:05,811
He gave you stuff?
554
00:47:07,855 --> 00:47:09,273
A pair of earrings once.
555
00:47:10,274 --> 00:47:11,275
A locket.
556
00:47:11,817 --> 00:47:13,819
Pair of used ballet flats.
557
00:47:14,820 --> 00:47:15,988
Were they your size?
558
00:47:19,408 --> 00:47:21,785
Yep. Made it worse.
559
00:47:22,828 --> 00:47:24,788
No chance you kept any of this stuff?
560
00:47:25,330 --> 00:47:28,417
We have a lost and found sale
at the end of every season.
561
00:47:30,669 --> 00:47:33,213
There is one thing
that I didn't throw away.
562
00:48:05,454 --> 00:48:07,539
Last time we ever saw him,
he gave me that.
563
00:48:09,666 --> 00:48:11,877
I never rode it, not once.
564
00:48:13,003 --> 00:48:15,672
Every time I look at it,
it makes me wanna take a shower.
565
00:48:39,655 --> 00:48:41,698
My mother said I was never any trouble
566
00:48:41,782 --> 00:48:43,867
except when I fixated
on something I wanted,
567
00:48:43,951 --> 00:48:45,661
like a dog on a pork chop.
568
00:48:46,411 --> 00:48:49,122
So that's what she'd call it.
My pork chop.
569
00:48:50,415 --> 00:48:53,001
When I was six,
my pork chop was a goldfish.
570
00:48:53,794 --> 00:48:57,047
When I was nine,
it was a pack of butterfly hair clips.
571
00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:58,131
Multicolored.
572
00:48:58,841 --> 00:49:02,219
But my biggest pork chop,
the one I obsessed over
573
00:49:02,302 --> 00:49:05,180
and had to wait
until my 13th birthday for,
574
00:49:05,264 --> 00:49:07,558
and still work off
five months' allowance to get,
575
00:49:07,641 --> 00:49:11,562
was a mountain bike.
576
00:49:40,257 --> 00:49:43,802
I did the math. I lived over 5,000 days.
577
00:49:44,344 --> 00:49:47,472
Over 135,000 hours.
578
00:49:47,973 --> 00:49:49,391
All that time was mine.
579
00:49:51,059 --> 00:49:55,189
You can die, but you can't un-live.
580
00:49:55,772 --> 00:49:56,899
I lived.
581
00:49:57,816 --> 00:49:58,817
Here.
582
00:50:02,529 --> 00:50:03,530
Here.
583
00:50:08,493 --> 00:50:09,578
Here.
584
00:50:13,373 --> 00:50:14,374
And here.
585
00:50:16,502 --> 00:50:17,628
It was great.
586
00:50:36,688 --> 00:50:37,731
It's not enough.
587
00:50:38,232 --> 00:50:39,441
That's bullshit.
588
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,069
Heard of chain of evidence?
589
00:50:42,152 --> 00:50:44,947
We have a witness
who swears Hall gave it to her.
590
00:50:45,906 --> 00:50:47,824
Where's the serial number of the bike?
591
00:50:48,325 --> 00:50:50,369
Someone burned it off with acid.
592
00:50:50,452 --> 00:50:54,164
There's no way to conclusively prove
that this is Jessica Roach's,
593
00:50:54,248 --> 00:50:57,793
unless matching fingerprints
of both Hall and Roach are found on it.
594
00:50:57,876 --> 00:51:01,338
And after four years,
I'm fairly confident it won't be.
595
00:51:01,421 --> 00:51:04,508
We have witnesses who place
Larry Hall in the area…
596
00:51:04,591 --> 00:51:06,218
I'm not trying a new case here.
597
00:51:06,301 --> 00:51:08,011
Where he claimed to have buried Reitler…
598
00:51:08,095 --> 00:51:10,097
I'm defending against a second appeal.
599
00:51:10,180 --> 00:51:13,016
And where he gave someone
Jessica Roach's bike.
600
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,810
It's not enough.
601
00:51:17,521 --> 00:51:19,189
Not even close.
602
00:51:20,274 --> 00:51:21,650
But you did great work here.
603
00:51:22,526 --> 00:51:25,988
You did. This is top-fucking-notch.
604
00:51:27,281 --> 00:51:28,407
Hey, look at me.
605
00:51:33,662 --> 00:51:36,582
You did. But it's not enough.
606
00:51:37,833 --> 00:51:39,168
What would be enough?
607
00:51:44,381 --> 00:51:45,507
I don't know.
608
00:51:47,885 --> 00:51:48,886
But this ain't it.
609
00:52:44,274 --> 00:52:45,275
James?
610
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,404
James.
611
00:52:52,533 --> 00:52:53,659
James, you up?
612
00:52:57,287 --> 00:52:58,455
Well, good night.
613
00:53:04,169 --> 00:53:06,046
Sleep well.
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