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Previously on The Hack.
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So, Nick Davis and the Guardian are
losing the exclusive, but winning the
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Alan Rusbridger and the Guardian have
been in touch with us at Panorama. It's
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the hacking stuff, but there's also this
story on Jonathan Rees that they've
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been pushing. We phoned in voices on his
desk.
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Rees, the Alex Maranchuk, the news in
the world. Well, Andy Coulson's the end
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that. There was a name that appeared in
the top corner of Glenn's notes.
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Ian Edmondson. Ian Edmondson? You
reported directly to Coulson?
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Someone I wanted to meet.
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David Cook, Golden Brown.
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I'm interested to hear more about what's
happened to you.
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I, uh, I think I might be able to help.
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I, uh, are you a fan of walking?
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No.
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Do you have a favorite spot?
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Hell walking in Arden, sir.
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You don't need to call me, sir.
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Policeman's habit.
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Well, I like Aaron.
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Particularly in the... And this might
point to a certain masochistic quality
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my part.
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Particularly in the wintertime.
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Well, it's the colours.
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Aaron in the winter.
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Well, we shall have to go.
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You can show me the route.
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Oh, you're making me quite homesick.
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No, surely you can get up there more
often now you're not... Now that I don't
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have a job?
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No, I didn't mean... I should be able
to, shouldn't I? And yet I keep being
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dragged back to London.
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Glenn has told me something about what
happened to you. Your, uh, your story.
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Okay.
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The intrusion.
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The surveillance. The, uh, the meeting
with Rebecca Brooks.
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It sounds a merry mess.
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Yeah, well, look, I made mistakes, I
should know.
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Oh, well, we all do.
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We all do.
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My father was a minister, as I think you
know, in the Church of Scotland. He
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would hear everyone's story.
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It's a great feeling on my part that I
don't have the time nor the patience
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he does, so I think it's my
responsibility to tell you why your
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unusual story mattered to me.
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And it's because I think this country
has become polluted and
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I think that we could all, should all,
try to do something about it, don't you?
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You've read the pieces in The Guardian
about the hacking?
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Yeah, an excellent one.
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Did you read the pieces in The New York
Times too?
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I did.
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And you know the work that Glenn is
doing at Panorama?
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Yeah.
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Rupert Murdoch.
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is trying to take control of B -Sky B.
If he does that, it's a valuable
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organization, and he will leverage the
value of it to accumulate the debt
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to buy a huge multinational company,
perhaps Disney or Time Warner.
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He'll have control of our media
landscape and a good hold of America.
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He needs to be stopped.
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I agree.
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I will tell you my stories, and you will
tell me yours.
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And then perhaps, David,
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Perhaps we can work out how to help each
other.
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What do you say?
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What do you want me to say?
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Into the shark cage.
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I don't think they'll be providing us
with cages tonight.
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You're late. The helpful press awards
were a good idea. A narcissist who
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realized it's an industry full of
narcissists who pay to be rewarded for
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narcissism. I can't be here.
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Look over there.
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It means the world.
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You know, they actually have members of
staff under arrest and many more being
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investigated. Ra's neck on them is
ridiculous.
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So the least I can attempt is some neck?
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No. I just want you here.
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You think we're going to win something?
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You're mad. Everyone here hates us. I
want you here because I want us to lose
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with dignity.
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Together.
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I've missed you.
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I feel itchy. I hate this shirt. It
makes you look extremely handsome.
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Oh, well.
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Now, I have to go and play nice with
some rich board members.
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But please remember, these people...
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They're more frightened of you than you
are of them. There's a difference
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between hate and fear.
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your attention please before our awards
start this evening we have a special
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update from journalist nick davies on
wednesday the 26th of january news
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international passed scotland yard three
email messages which they claimed to
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have only just discovered in ian
edmondson's computer and ian edmondson
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sacked once in receipt of these emails
scotland yard announced a new inquiry
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Operation Wheating under the command of
Sue Akers. I dismissed Wheating as a PR
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move by the Met until on the 9th of
February they released a statement.
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The new evidence recently provided by
News International is being considered
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alongside material already in the
Metropolitan Police Service's
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Couldn't be.
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They weren't finally going to
investigate the last four years of their
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incompetence. All actions and decisions
by the previous investigation are being
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reviewed. What were they? Were we
winning, finally?
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I certainly didn't feel like a winner.
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And the award for showbiz reporter of
the year goes to...
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It's Stephen Moyes of the News of the
World.
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Congratulations, Stephen.
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Okay, and the award for News Reporter of
the Year goes to... It's the fake
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Sheikh Mazam Amr for the News of the
World.
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The Scoop of the Year now. The Scoop of
the Year is awarded to the News of the
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World for its excellent coverage of the
cricket corruption scandal.
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And the award goes to... The News of the
World!
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Okay, the moment we've all been waiting
for. It's the big one.
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The Newspaper of the Year.
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Now, the Newspaper of the Year goes to,
for what the judges say is a paper
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completely unafraid to take on the
powers that be.
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So, the Newspaper of the Year award goes
to... The Guardian!
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Jackie Ames? Yes.
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My name is D .S. Slater.
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This is D .C. Grossman.
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Is it David?
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David Cook?
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No. Well, I suppose, in a way, yes. We
are here investigating.
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We're part of a new operation.
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Operation Wheating?
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We're investigating allegations of phone
hacking.
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Do you work for Johnny Eats?
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No, we're part of the Special Crime
Directorate.
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Under the command of Deputy Assistant
Commissioner Akers.
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Great, thank you. You were found in the
notebooks of Glenn Mulcair.
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This doesn't surprise me.
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We'd like you to take a look at these
details.
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Is this your police payroll and warrant
numbers?
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Yes.
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How did he have these?
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Is that...
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That's where I lived in 1977.
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Is this where you worked in 2002?
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Yes. And this phone number, this is...
This is correct, yeah.
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There's information here that could only
have come from my police personnel
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file. Yeah, we, um... That's what we
think.
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Someone within the Met sold him my
information.
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David's information.
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It's, um...
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When was this known?
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When did the Metropolitan Police have
this information?
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A notebook was taken from Montclair in
2006.
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Yeah.
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And the Metro is neither too informing
nor investigate this possible
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corruption.
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That's what we're trying to do now, Mum.
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Glenn Campbell.
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Nick Davis. Hi.
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Honour and a privilege.
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I hear that you're not well liked at
Panorama.
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I hear you're adored at the Guardian.
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So, who do you usually meet here?
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Is this where you meet criminals or
politicians?
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I float between cafes and pubs like a
butterfly at a festival.
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Liked the panorama on Alex Marinchak. It
wasn't one of mine.
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You helped a lot. It was good.
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You've got some particularly great hits
in on Jonathan Rees. I really liked your
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piece on him, too.
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Mr. A.
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Very good.
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You writing more?
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No.
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I'm... Didn't Dave say, I'm out?
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Coulson's gone, as far as I can go.
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Don't look like that.
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An engineer death, but something.
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I wanted people to take it seriously.
They didn't, so...
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I'm handing everything on.
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Trying to persuade Ireland to give me
Belgium.
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They gave you Newspaper of the Year.
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That was for the Guardian, not me. I
lost my category.
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You're getting somewhere, Nick. I got
somewhere.
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Look, I know this must have cost you.
Cost me isn't half of it.
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No one... No one cared. The whole
industry turned away like a complicit
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What if I said I came to see you today
with an agenda?
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I'm friends with Claire Rue Castle
-Brown, the journalist and sister -in
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Gordon Brown. He's leaning in. I took
Dave to see him, and he now wants to
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you.
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Gordon Brown?
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Gordon's been looking at your work, and
he thinks there's a way to use it to go
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further.
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Come on, Nick.
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What's meeting him going to cost you?
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Well, it's wonderful to have you all
here. Thank you, Claire and Glenn, for
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organizing it.
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You know, I have such respect for the
work of everyone in this room.
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And I used to be prime minister. There,
does that start us off?
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Just about.
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The Murdoch B -Sky B -Bid would be a
disaster for our country. This hacking
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investigation needs better scrutiny than
people have chosen to give it. If
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people understood, properly understood
the hacking, what was happening with
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hacking, it may mean they rethink the B
-Sky B -Bid.
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We have a shared objective.
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How we achieve that objective is, well,
I increasingly believe, as it is clear,
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and Tom, we'd be best to achieve
together.
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And perhaps everyone would like some
tea.
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And perhaps everyone would like some
tea.
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That's it, that's it, I'll pour. No,
I'll pour.
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Right.
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Who would like to begin?
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Well, maybe I should speak first.
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I was recently interrupted in an
investigation room and shown details of
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in Operation Wheating that were... Well,
the level of intrusion was troubling.
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It's just possible that Operation
Wheating is the first met -up to be run
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properly. Well, the secret is John Yates
isn't running it.
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Good. Good. So, how do we help them?
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Where will they struggle?
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Well, we have to get them to include
Jonathan Rees.
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It makes no sense to tackle Mulcair and
not Rees.
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I've got invoices to show that they were
both up to exactly the same activity.
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Prepare me a file and I'll send it to
Sue Akers.
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Is it that simple?
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Well, I have access to Sue through the
Select Committee. I can't promise
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results, but it's the start, no?
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Sue and I were DSs at the same time.
I've already asked her to expand the
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of the investigation, but... It'll mean
more coming from a parliamentary
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perspective.
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Good.
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What else?
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You seem to all be constantly looking at
me surprised.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem
we have is that the police,
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politicians, and press are all
collaborating under Murdoch's aegis.
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We are also made up of police,
politicians, and press. A non -official
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opposition, if you like.
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So, let's talk.
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What do we need to do?
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You are...
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Are you having a nice time?
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What?
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You know, you're a remarkable
campaigner, Mick. Did you ever consider
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politics?
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Um... Well, I don't know. I don't know.
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Why would you say that?
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Perhaps a bit too suspicious of other
people to be a politician.
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Something I struggle with myself
sometimes.
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And I believe it because I've seen it on
this case.
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You're not sure whether I mean this, are
you?
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Sorry? You don't trust me?
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I think this is the ball that I picked
up that I will quickly drop.
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You're saying you won't drop the ball?
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You know, they, um... They came at me in
every way, as you might expect.
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They blagged my lawyer.
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They procured my family's medical
information, and they, um... This is
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something. They impersonated me to get
into my building society account.
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That's a lot.
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I tried to hold a judicial inquiry into
phone hacking, and, uh, let's see now,
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uh... Autumn 2009, after I read a piece
of yours, that was my first article.
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The civil service resisted it, I think
is a kind term.
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It did not meet the tests of public
concern.
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You know, everyone thinks I'm close to
Rupert. He's very adept at that. He
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quietly, you know all this. He rarely
disagrees. He asks questions and he
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makes everyone feel interesting.
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It fascinates me.
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How the powerful let him in.
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I wasn't as good at that game as Tony.
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When he came for me, and he did, I was
unprepared.
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Whether it was how I bowed my head at
the cenotaph or how I wrote to the
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grieving mothers of dead soldiers.
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Yes, I remember.
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You know, I rang Rupert to tell him that
his papers were damaging morale in
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Afghanistan. As Prime Minister, I was
asking people to fight.
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And he was telling them article after
article that I was casual with their
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lives, with soldiers' lives, that I
didn't care, to undermine that, to make
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those young people feel undervalued by
their government.
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It's just not right.
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Sometimes you can tell that you're the
son of a preacher.
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You know he wants everything.
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His ambition is limitless.
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But he's overstepped here.
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And badly.
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We can, and we should, do something
important to counter him.
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But this started with you, and it's
going to need to end with you.
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All I wish is to say, we need you, Nick.
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Dave? Dave?
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Yes, sir.
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How's life at soccer?
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We're getting somewhere.
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Did I hear you've been giving orders to
GCHQ? That must be fun.
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It's a bit more complicated than that.
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What can I do for you, John?
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Would you mind popping into mine for a
minute?
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Sure.
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Internal investigations caught an email
coming from your computer to Mike
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Sullivan at the Sun.
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Which email?
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So why is this a problem?
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I said you'd rather be told it by me.
Well, and he was useful in morgue, and
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he's still useful now. I mean, you've
got a good relationship with him
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haven't you? I also have one or two
questions about the Panorama program
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went out.
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Yep. I believe you're friends with Glenn
Campbell at Panorama. Have we?
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Do you think you could ask him?
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Have we got footage of Jonathan Rees
with his computer?
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Well, he's quite protective of his
sources.
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Rees is convinced, as am I, that the
footage could only have come from inside
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the Met.
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He's threatening to take action again.
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Did it?
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Come from inside the mech? Is that a
further press relation?
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The request to pass information to Mike
Sullivan came for you.
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I mean, he's your mate.
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But there are rules, Dave, and you know
that. I do.
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And there's Operation Waiting Treatment,
Mr.
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Lawrence.
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Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan, Nick
Davis, or anyone fucking else anything
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our cases, and you'll be strung up for
all to see.
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Do you hear me?
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Yeah, I hear you.
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I've got permission to talk about it
with you and you alone.
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I am privileged.
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It means private meetings, you and I,
outside of editorial.
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Of course.
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When have we not had those?
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Welcome back.
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Alan, our Scottish friend, you know it
better than I do.
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We can trust him, right?
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I want to say two things.
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One, you're a journalist.
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And... I'm scared that getting into bed
with certain politicians, well, we'll
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lose our vital independence.
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You do it all the time. I share my bed
with all political parties, and I hope
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I'm pretty fair at sharing the covers.
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Nick, we've just removed a senior member
of Conservative staff, and I don't want
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that dismissed as coming from the
newspaper arm of the Labour group.
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Understood, but I asked about Gordon.
And that's the second thing.
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You don't go into a room with Gordon
Brown and get what you want. You go into
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room and get what he wants.
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He's ferociously intelligent and very
used to power.
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But if your interests align, as I think
they do here,
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he can be a remarkable ally.
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One last push, is it?
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And then I want Brussels.
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Then you want your well -paid chocolate
dream.
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Of course. Good.
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But please, Nick, take it slow.
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To work. What have you got?
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The flood of cases is overwhelming the
courts, so they've appointed a hacking
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judge. He's already causing trouble. At
the Andy Gray trial, he said it's clear
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Mulcair had been regularly hacking him.
So that's an invitation. Any man, woman,
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or creature who has anything in those
books has been given license to sue.
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And you'll write it up?
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Yeah.
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Why do you think they gave us this?
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Good journalism.
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None of them support the story, our
story.
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Guilt.
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World's most powerful motive.
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Oh, I love you, darling.
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Yeah, love you too.
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Don't know, don't know, don't know.
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Okay. It's Mike and Chief.
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She's, uh, she's not been sleeping very
well.
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I've been making her leave her phone
downstairs most nights, so I'm not sure
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you'd get away with that.
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I've done my best.
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Also, um... I've, uh, been contacted by
Operation Weeting.
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Oh, have you?
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You knew then?
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The things they had on me.
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Oh, no, I'm sorry. I should have warned
you. Yeah.
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Yates came after me today.
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And?
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Didn't land a punch.
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Good.
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They're keeping me at arm's length.
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But they did tell me a few pieces of
useful information. You remember that
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Surrey Police got a call fishing for my
details?
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Mm -hm. Well, Wheating told me that, um,
it was probably Mulcair.
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They made that call.
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Jesus Christ.
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I don't think anyone's understood the
depth of criminality here.
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Destabilising police investigations.
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I mean, we're talking about a murder
charge being... Yeah, look who I'm
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right?
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Please don't laugh at me about this. I'm
not.
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I'm not.
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You know, right at the beginning of
this, I went to see Rebecca Brooks.
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And I said, um, what you're doing is
outrageous.
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And you know what she said?
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She said, we believed that you and
Jackie were having an affair.
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And as you're both public figures,
public interest was on our side.
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They thought we were having an affair
and we were already married.
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Ridiculous.
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I'm thug.
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Cruel, I think, is a better word.
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I have a source in the police who's been
quite openly victimized. It might stop
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the whining celebrity angle.
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What whining celebrity angle?
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People dismissing it because they think
it's just celebrities whining. Get him
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on the record.
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He's been badly damaged by all this
already.
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You're Nick Davis?
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Only on weekdays.
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Have we met? How can I help? By telling
me what the fuck you think you're doing,
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stealing my story.
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Can we use your office?
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Which story have I stolen?
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Apparently you're Mr. Hacking.
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Every hacking story carries your byline.
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It doesn't.
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Today, in the paper, published. You
didn't write one word of it.
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No.
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Well, aren't you going to apologize?
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No.
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You know...
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The Guardian gives out all this shit
about what kind of world I don't want,
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yet... This is well written. Fuck off.
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I didn't ask for credit on it. Whoever
said I did was wrong.
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Right then, who do we see next?
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Alan? Old.
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Anything? Writing a story about the
hacking scandal without consulting
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who spent the last three years having
his life destroyed by it.
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Is this what worked for you?
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When you're attacked, you just attack
back?
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No, sometimes.
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Maybe you could have something there.
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This is about Operation Wheating.
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It's a totally different thing.
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How come I haven't seen you round the
offices before?
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I work alone.
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My own hours.
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They're supportive of it.
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What have you got on Wheating?
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Contact of mine in the force has been
put on it.
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He's feeding me.
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Tell me everything.
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No.
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He says it's timid.
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He's eager for more action.
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What's he giving you?
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each arrest as it happens.
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Neville Thirlbeck is going to be at
Kingston Police Station between 9 and
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I'm there conveniently for the arrest.
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Can you, might you, tell your source,
tell them to look into the initial
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committee hearings, and in particular
the letter they received from News
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International lawyers, because there's
disclosures in that the police never got
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the answer to.
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Thanks. Yeah, I will.
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Would it be so bad as working together?
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You need to see this.
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Here's Ben Grazia in walking with more
on this story.
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First the denial that celebrity
voicemail messages were listened to.
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claim it was down to a single rogue
reporter and his private investigator
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sidekick. Now the admission, we failed
to uncover what was going on. We're
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to apologize and we're going to pay up.
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Fuck.
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Absolutely right.
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Exactly the news of the world admitting
to it.
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It's brilliant.
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Is it?
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Well, by admitting they were at fault
and agreeing to cooperate. In fact, what
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they're doing is they're finding a new
device for concealing the truth. Nick,
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will it be cheaper?
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Standard rate damages rather than the
million pound hush money they've had to
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pay up. And getting it out in court now
is next to impossible.
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Am I right?
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Well, if you are, for instance, Fiona
Miller, and you do take it to trial,
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if she ends up getting...
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less at trial than they offered her
before, then she risks being ordered to
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both sides' costs, which could be
astronomical.
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And so, then, yes, it makes getting to
trial almost impossible.
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Shit. My advice is, they've twisted one
way, we must twist another.
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I've had a reply from Sue Akers on Reef.
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She's shown you that?
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She says her remit is limited to more
care and the notebook. She isn't going
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near Reef.
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Should we try to leak something? Put
pressure on that way?
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I've got Rees specifically targeting
Kate Middleton. I've just heard he
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John Yates.
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Or we could... Do you think if we
twisted an arm or two, do you think we
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get me up the list for PMQs?
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That's a very good idea.
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I'm not following.
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What does Sue Akers want?
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To be free to take the evidence wherever
it leads her with a swift prod from the
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left?
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Maybe the Prime Minister will extend her
brief.
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You could even name Rees.
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Good, good. Hang on.
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All of this exposes Dave to scrutiny
again.
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No, I'm ready.
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Tom, can I help?
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Please do.
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Good, good.
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Let's box Cameron in.
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As the Prime Minister has previously
said, the hacking inquiry should go
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the evidence takes it. The Metropolitan
Police are in possession of paperwork
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which details the dealings of criminal
private investigator Jonathan Rees.
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It strongly suggests that on behalf of
News International, he was illegally
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targeting members of the royal family,
senior politicians and high -level
492
00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:52,520
terrorist informers.
493
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Yet the head of Operation Wheating has
recently written to me to explain that
494
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,100
this evidence may be outside the
inquiry's terms of reference.
495
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:05,180
Prime Minister, I believe powerful
forces are involved in a cover -up.
496
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:11,540
Please, please tell me what you intend
to do to make sure that this doesn't
497
00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:12,540
happen.
498
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,500
The point I'd make to the Honourable
Gentleman, I know he takes a close
499
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,700
in this, is there is a police inquiry.
500
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,460
A police inquiry doesn't need terms of
reference.
501
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:26,940
The police are free to investigate the
evidence and take that wherever it leads
502
00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:29,880
them, and then mount a prosecution with
the CPS.
503
00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:32,940
Amelia. Hi.
504
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,040
Saw you go in. Sorry, a bit weird to
wait for people outside toilets.
505
00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:37,519
Hold on a second.
506
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,459
Got a minute?
507
00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:39,460
Sure.
508
00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:41,800
Two inquiries are being set up.
509
00:28:42,170 --> 00:28:45,530
Operation Tolita, looking specifically
into Jonathan Rees. Good.
510
00:28:46,050 --> 00:28:49,110
Operation Eldon. Never get over Scotland
Yard. Need for a strange name.
511
00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:52,510
To investigate the alleged payment of
bribes to police officers and other
512
00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:55,770
officials from journalists from the News
of the World. What's made them do this?
513
00:28:56,530 --> 00:28:58,050
You didn't see Tom Watson's speech?
514
00:28:58,370 --> 00:28:59,370
Oh, I may have, Tom.
515
00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:00,510
Did you write it?
516
00:29:04,670 --> 00:29:05,670
Also,
517
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:10,130
the select committee wading you
suggested to my officer.
518
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:11,450
Let's call him...
519
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,060
Jingle. Fine.
520
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,880
It proved fruitful.
521
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:19,600
Operation Waiting forced some emails out
of News International, and the Met
522
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,820
discovered on their service some
systematic deletions.
523
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,099
Of course.
524
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,480
In particular, one enormous deletion in
January.
525
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:33,140
While they were handing over those three
emails from Ian Edmonton, can we print?
526
00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:34,860
I'm working on it.
527
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Look, Jingle was grateful for the
advice.
528
00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:43,410
He said he can't volunteer information
on active cases, but ask him a question,
529
00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:44,570
he'll tell no lies.
530
00:29:52,550 --> 00:29:55,070
We've had something interesting come up.
What is Judge Voss doing?
531
00:29:55,270 --> 00:29:57,290
I feel like we've only seen a tiny
percent of Mulcair's notes.
532
00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:58,810
Voss has been with Voss with everyone.
533
00:29:59,390 --> 00:30:02,770
It's yielding fruit. Fiona Miller has
been... Sky advocated. It feels
534
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:05,470
Where are we? Nick, I've got something,
if you're interested, but you'll need to
535
00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:06,990
listen. Sorry, go on.
536
00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:14,290
I've been representing, as you know,
Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman. Yeah, I read
537
00:30:14,290 --> 00:30:15,290
about it. You're doing brilliantly.
538
00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:18,910
You're like my ex.
539
00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:21,570
You always get complimentary when you
know you're in the wrong.
540
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:24,470
Sorry. I am sorry.
541
00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:27,610
I heard you were a mess.
542
00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:34,210
Oh, I can see an island of sanity. I'm
floating close to it. Go on.
543
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,440
I went to Putney so that the waiting
officers could show me the notes my care
544
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,200
had taken from Leslie Ash and Lee
Chapman's voicemail. Yeah.
545
00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:52,560
Now, some genius combined the two names
and gave me
546
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,140
the details of Leslie Chapman.
547
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Remind me?
548
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,500
Jessica Chapman's father.
549
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,600
Jessica Chapman was one of the murdered
schoolgirls, right? The Soren murders.
550
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,080
It looks like Leslie Chapman's voicemail
was hacked.
551
00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:12,090
They hacked the voicemail of a grieving
father. I'm not sure, but it looks that
552
00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:13,490
way. You can't use it.
553
00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:15,610
Yet.
554
00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:17,990
This could change everything.
555
00:31:18,430 --> 00:31:19,630
I need to talk to the family.
556
00:31:20,110 --> 00:31:21,210
I need permissions.
557
00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:23,410
I need to be sure.
558
00:31:24,410 --> 00:31:26,890
Chapman found out I could talk to them.
That's not why I'm telling you this.
559
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:29,830
Nick, think.
560
00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:34,210
If they're doing this to the Chapman...
Where else have they been?
561
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:36,110
Exactly.
562
00:31:42,129 --> 00:31:43,129
Jessica Chapman.
563
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:47,210
Oh, the soul murders tore the place
apart for a while.
564
00:31:47,950 --> 00:31:49,750
She's sure they were into the parents'
phone.
565
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:52,410
It's in Malker's notebooks, but I can't
get in there.
566
00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:54,010
I've got to find another way in.
567
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:55,810
There you are.
568
00:31:56,050 --> 00:31:57,270
I envy your confidence.
569
00:31:58,910 --> 00:32:04,690
No, I'm just... Just happy to have you
back.
570
00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:09,030
I thought that was better.
571
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:10,630
Sometimes.
572
00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:12,530
Come on then, guys.
573
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:16,750
Are you just frying that cheese?
574
00:32:17,170 --> 00:32:18,750
It's halloumi cheese, you'll like it.
575
00:32:19,170 --> 00:32:20,170
I'm not hungry anymore.
576
00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:24,630
What? No, it's just I don't get it. I
mean, I eat when I know that I have to
577
00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:25,630
eat.
578
00:32:26,390 --> 00:32:27,730
I just don't get hungry anymore.
579
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:31,610
Don't. What? What a sympathy look.
580
00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:32,810
I'm not being sympathetic.
581
00:32:33,010 --> 00:32:34,850
Don't try and pretend you're any better
state than me.
582
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:39,090
I've seen you, mate. You are this close
to total collapse, I'm telling you. You
583
00:32:39,090 --> 00:32:40,150
know the story of the dung beetle?
584
00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:42,550
Oh. God, have I slipped that low.
585
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:44,850
What? That's what you throw out.
586
00:32:45,490 --> 00:32:47,490
You throw out that story quite a lot,
you know.
587
00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:49,490
Ask your kid. Cry pity your kid.
588
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:52,230
What was going on? Have you heard about
the dung beetle?
589
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:53,590
An aggressive response.
590
00:32:55,150 --> 00:32:56,150
Come on.
591
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:57,330
That'll make you hungry.
592
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:59,470
Thank you.
593
00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:04,390
You want to know how I do it now? Hmm.
594
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:06,890
I focus on the details.
595
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:09,190
Always the next detail.
596
00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:13,740
I've been phobic of blood ever since a
body exploded on me.
597
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,080
Body exploded on you? Yeah, well, an
older man full of hernias.
598
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,240
Normally, when a pathologist's scalpel
enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss.
599
00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:25,840
Well, this time, it exploded.
600
00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:28,260
Blood was everywhere. I was covered in
it.
601
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:32,220
But I was in homicide, so I'd gone to
pathology as a key part of my job,
602
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:34,460
So I focused on the details.
603
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,600
Ears.
604
00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:38,940
Oars.
605
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,040
Even how the wound looked.
606
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000
The blood I made disappear.
607
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,680
So how do you do it, Nick?
608
00:34:41,739 --> 00:34:42,739
Tell me I'm mad.
609
00:34:44,739 --> 00:34:50,280
With pleasure. I was in the database,
News of the World, April 14th, 2002, 250
610
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,540
words long, page 9. It claims that
voicemail messages were sent to Millie's
611
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:56,580
phone after she disappeared.
612
00:34:57,900 --> 00:34:58,900
Millie Dowler.
613
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,020
Police say voicemails were left by a
mentally disturbed woman who has hoaxed
614
00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:06,940
previous inquiries. Even quotes what she
said.
615
00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:11,760
Uh, hello, we're ringing because we have
some interviews starting. Can you call
616
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,800
me back? Thank you, bye -bye.
617
00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:18,840
This is six days after Millie had
disappeared.
618
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,700
Finally, didn't the paper?
619
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,900
That reference was remote.
620
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,300
Because they might have realized what a
boobie they'd made.
621
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:40,030
Charlotte has evidence that they hacked
Jessica Chapman's father on the Soane
622
00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:43,670
case. We can't get close to that. That
was the family, but she was the girl
623
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:44,670
herself.
624
00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:46,570
Rebecca was editor then.
625
00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:49,190
This was under her aegis.
626
00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:53,410
Can you confirm this?
627
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:54,630
I think so.
628
00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:00,690
Is this as big as I think it is?
629
00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:04,050
Yes, it is.
630
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:08,640
Make sure it stands up.
631
00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:16,820
Yeah, hi. Any fruit?
632
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,560
Jingle says they've been investigating.
633
00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:19,879
Is that confirmation?
634
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,320
Are they confirming that it happened?
Yes, there is a page on Dowler in
635
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,320
Mulcair's notebooks.
636
00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:27,780
Right, we need to be absolutely
watertight.
637
00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:32,000
Nick, he also says they're pursuing a
line of inquiry. They've deleted
638
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,700
because the voicemail box was full.
639
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:35,970
They deleted messages.
640
00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:37,830
I'll get a firm anonymous quote from
Jingle.
641
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:40,250
Okay. Thank you. Bye. Bye -bye.
642
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:46,070
I have a source from inside Wheating.
I've got the article. Glenn, I've got a
643
00:36:46,070 --> 00:36:49,090
good source saying that Surrey Police
know about it and the Dowler family did
644
00:36:49,090 --> 00:36:50,090
not.
645
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:51,450
Well, this is it.
646
00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:53,350
This is it.
647
00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:56,770
I don't want to believe, but I do.
648
00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:58,230
The source is clear.
649
00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:02,930
Stuart Kutner... Remember him. ...even
called Surrey Police. He didn't just
650
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:04,150
the voicemail, he followed up on it.
651
00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:07,970
They even think they deleted her answer
phone messages to allow space for
652
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:11,330
messages to be given, which made the
family think she was still alive.
653
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:12,750
Oh, God.
654
00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:16,590
Do you know, if we can land this, this
changes everything.
655
00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:18,570
How?
656
00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:20,030
A child.
657
00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:24,950
A dead child's phone. It's despicable.
You know, part of the British public
658
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:28,470
think that celebrities, politicians,
journalists even deserve everything that
659
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:31,510
they get, but when an innocent is
harmed.
660
00:37:32,090 --> 00:37:33,870
An innocent already wronged.
661
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:35,630
Trust me.
662
00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:38,910
The news of the world will not be
forgiven for this.
663
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:44,270
Hi,
664
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:45,649
this is Dave.
665
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:46,650
Leave a message.
666
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:50,570
David, I've been offered to go on to
Channel 4.
667
00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:54,030
I don't have a career to protect and I
think I should do it.
668
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:57,590
If you have a problem with any of this,
could you just call me or text me,
669
00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:58,770
please? Thank you.
670
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,140
Mrs. Dowler, my name is Nick Davis. I
know.
671
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,860
They said you'd be coming by.
672
00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,840
I've just been watching you on YouTube.
673
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,600
Come on, come in.
674
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,920
Thank you.
675
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:48,660
Thank you.
676
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,440
So the police are keeping you... Up to
date with it all, yes.
677
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Operation Wheating, good team, it seems.
678
00:38:58,780 --> 00:38:59,780
They say it was true.
679
00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:02,140
Our daughter was hacked.
680
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:05,240
Yes.
681
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,840
You tell us why.
682
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,240
Why, sorry?
683
00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:15,440
What we don't understand is why someone
would do this.
684
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:17,780
You're a journalist.
685
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:18,900
Can you explain?
686
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,320
I think there's a good story in it.
687
00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:30,100
A good story?
688
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,780
They wanted to either find her or to
find something printable about her.
689
00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:39,460
So the phone promised all those things.
690
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,340
But we'd only just lost her, didn't they
know it was wrong?
691
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:47,480
I think they didn't consider that.
692
00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:50,200
And they know it would hurt us.
693
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,720
At that time, Millie was the most famous
person in the UK.
694
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,720
And everyone wanted to read about her.
695
00:40:07,340 --> 00:40:09,540
And I'm afraid they needed to sell their
newspaper.
696
00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:12,420
And now you're here.
697
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,600
Someone else selling a newspaper?
698
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,080
I am.
699
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,400
Yes, but I'm hoping... What we are
doing...
700
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,500
will help expose a wrong that was done
to your daughter.
701
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,560
However, yes, we are selling newspapers.
702
00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:40,640
And I know that all this will be
bringing her back into the spotlight
703
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:42,860
And I know... And that's painful.
704
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,160
Just slightly.
705
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,520
Yeah.
706
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,160
But you should do it all the same.
707
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,680
You have our permission, Nick.
708
00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:57,560
If you needed it, that is.
709
00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:02,020
Thank you.
710
00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,080
Always can never get used to microphones
being poked everywhere.
711
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,820
I'm used to it from Crimewatch.
712
00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:11,118
Of course.
713
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,140
Of course you are.
714
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,760
More used to it than me.
715
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,080
Oh.
716
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,460
Do you want to share the byline with
Amelia?
717
00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:24,200
Her source helped confirm it.
718
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:27,390
Need something clearer.
719
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:30,190
Is the world targeted?
720
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:31,649
Illegally targeted.
721
00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:33,090
Good. Illegally targeted.
722
00:41:33,370 --> 00:41:39,850
Missing schoolgirl Millie Dallow and her
family in dates interfering with the
723
00:41:39,850 --> 00:41:42,110
police investigation into... No.
724
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:48,550
Interfering with police inquiries into
her disappearance and deleted messages.
725
00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:51,570
Then what the family believed.
726
00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:54,070
She's alive.
727
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,080
The lie of that.
728
00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:59,040
Do we have a thought and a secondary
thought?
729
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:00,500
Yes, we do.
730
00:42:00,620 --> 00:42:03,840
Have we spoken to Scotland Yard? Of
course. They've asked for a quote.
731
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:09,120
This is... quite something.
732
00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:16,000
Channel 4 News can tonight reveal that
allegations have been aired that a
733
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,120
Metropolitan Police detective was put
under surveillance... by the News of the
734
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,140
World journalists, and his personal
details were targeted.
735
00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:28,200
The former Crimewatch presenter and
detective, Jackie Haynes, has spoken out
736
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,200
the first time.
737
00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:32,720
So, Jackie, you were approached by
Operation Wheating.
738
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,500
What did they show you?
739
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:42,900
They showed me various sheets of paper,
which I was told came from Glenn
740
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:46,640
Mulcair's diaries and notes, and...
741
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:52,130
sat there and read the extent to which
he had delved into my private life.
742
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:54,470
And it was quite a body blow.
743
00:42:55,610 --> 00:43:00,490
I want to know who instigated the
surveillance and the research that was
744
00:43:00,490 --> 00:43:01,490
us.
745
00:43:01,530 --> 00:43:05,710
I would like to know how they got and
who they got that personal information
746
00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:06,870
from about us.
747
00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:12,710
I would like to know what the purpose of
it was from them.
748
00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:15,650
Do you think there was an attempt here
to...
749
00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:22,080
interfere with your ex -husband's
criminal investigation and if so what
750
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:28,860
evidence for that it's very difficult
when you look at the um the order in
751
00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:35,060
things happen the chronology of it not
to at least want to shine a light on it
752
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:38,780
and say you know how is it that the day
after that appeal went out on crime
753
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:40,940
watch that this started to happen
754
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,940
And it's very difficult not to come to
that conclusion that they were somehow
755
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:48,840
complicit in all of this, or someone
within the organisation was.
756
00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:50,400
Complicit in what exactly?
757
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,620
In trying to discredit David or myself.
758
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,020
Of course they didn't print it.
759
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,520
And so, it finally begins.
760
00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:28,190
More revelations. The pressure on the
news of the world grows with another day
761
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:30,170
of dramatic development. Shocking
stories.
762
00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:34,590
It is alleged that Glenn Mulcair hacked
into the mobile phone of the murdered
763
00:45:34,590 --> 00:45:38,550
schoolgirl Millie Dowler. Well, this
poor girl's dead and they're trying to
764
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:41,950
stories. There is a new allegation that
the tabloid may have hacked into the
765
00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:44,450
phones of the relatives of soldiers
killed in Iraq.
766
00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:49,090
If these actions are proved to have been
verified, I'm appalled.
767
00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:50,520
I find it quite disgusting.
768
00:45:50,860 --> 00:45:54,880
Tonight, Chief Executive Rebecca Brooks
says we're told that she's shocked and
769
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,600
that she knew nothing about it. Today is
the anniversary of 7 -7.
770
00:45:58,820 --> 00:46:02,440
Relatives of victims of the London
bombings may also have had their phones
771
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,440
hacked into.
772
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,400
Somebody was listening to that. It's a
violation, isn't it? An extraordinary
773
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,980
moment in British journalism.
774
00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,860
The news of the world is to close.
775
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,560
What happened happened very, very
quickly. It's like a bomb hit the place.
776
00:46:14,860 --> 00:46:18,220
Those decent people up there are being
thrown out of a job today. The sense
777
00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:22,140
everyone gets is that Rupert Murdoch is
getting rid of the news of the world in
778
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:27,640
order to protect taking over BSkyB. I'm
interested in those who were responsible
779
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,260
for being brought to justice. Scotland
Yard confirmed today that it had
780
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:35,340
documents suggesting a number of its
officers were given inappropriate
781
00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:36,440
by News International.
782
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:41,120
Being briefed for information is a
criminal offence. It's corrupt.
783
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,538
It's bribery.
784
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:46,780
David Cameron's former head of
communications is arrested over
785
00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:47,779
phone hacking.
786
00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:51,620
The decision to hire him was mine, and I
take full responsibility for it.
787
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,280
There's an awful lot I'd like to say,
but I can't. The pressure is mounting on
788
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,158
Rebecca Brooks.
789
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,060
Both her and James Murdoch should be
leaving their deaths.
790
00:47:00,340 --> 00:47:04,040
The Prime Minister has announced details
of the independent public inquiry led
791
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,380
by Lord Justice Levitin. We'll have the
power to summon and question newspaper
792
00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:10,960
proprietors, journalists, police and
politicians.
793
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:30,070
It is with great regret.
794
00:47:30,810 --> 00:47:31,870
Did I make this decision?
795
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:36,990
The mighty Murdoch empire has suffered
its most humiliating blow yet, as it
796
00:47:36,990 --> 00:47:40,130
suddenly dropped its bid to take control
of B -Sky B.
797
00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:45,270
Murdoch has abandoned his bid for B -Sky
B, but will he face wider consequences
798
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:47,530
in relation to the phone hacking
scandal?
799
00:47:47,810 --> 00:47:49,190
What will come next?
800
00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:05,560
And I heard as it were the noise of
thunder, one of the four beasts saying,
801
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,520
Come and see.
802
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:15,400
And I saw, and behold, a white horse.
61787
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