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You reported directly to Coulson? 9 00:00:44,230 --> 00:00:45,270 Someone I wanted to meet. 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:46,740 David Cook, Golden Brown. 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:49,140 I'm interested to hear more about what's happened to you. 12 00:00:49,420 --> 00:00:51,980 I, uh, I think I might be able to help. 13 00:01:04,900 --> 00:01:08,040 I, uh, are you a fan of walking? 14 00:01:09,140 --> 00:01:10,140 No. 15 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:11,820 Do you have a favorite spot? 16 00:01:12,980 --> 00:01:14,200 Hell walking in Arden, sir. 17 00:01:15,580 --> 00:01:16,760 You don't need to call me, sir. 18 00:01:18,220 --> 00:01:19,220 Policeman's habit. 19 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:21,280 Well, I like Aaron. 20 00:01:22,260 --> 00:01:26,400 Particularly in the... And this might point to a certain masochistic quality 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,199 my part. 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:28,320 Particularly in the wintertime. 23 00:01:28,740 --> 00:01:29,740 Well, it's the colours. 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,220 Aaron in the winter. 25 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,520 Well, we shall have to go. 26 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,200 You can show me the route. 27 00:01:36,340 --> 00:01:39,260 Oh, you're making me quite homesick. 28 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:42,270 No, surely you can get up there more often now you're not... Now that I don't 29 00:01:42,270 --> 00:01:42,848 have a job? 30 00:01:42,850 --> 00:01:47,850 No, I didn't mean... I should be able to, shouldn't I? And yet I keep being 31 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:48,850 dragged back to London. 32 00:01:51,030 --> 00:01:56,410 Glenn has told me something about what happened to you. Your, uh, your story. 33 00:01:57,230 --> 00:01:58,230 Okay. 34 00:01:58,430 --> 00:01:59,430 The intrusion. 35 00:01:59,890 --> 00:02:03,330 The surveillance. The, uh, the meeting with Rebecca Brooks. 36 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:05,910 It sounds a merry mess. 37 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Yeah, well, look, I made mistakes, I should know. 38 00:02:10,180 --> 00:02:12,040 Oh, well, we all do. 39 00:02:13,460 --> 00:02:14,460 We all do. 40 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,940 My father was a minister, as I think you know, in the Church of Scotland. He 41 00:02:20,940 --> 00:02:25,020 would hear everyone's story. 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,180 It's a great feeling on my part that I don't have the time nor the patience 43 00:02:30,180 --> 00:02:34,480 he does, so I think it's my responsibility to tell you why your 44 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,860 unusual story mattered to me. 45 00:02:36,750 --> 00:02:43,510 And it's because I think this country has become polluted and 46 00:02:43,510 --> 00:02:48,090 I think that we could all, should all, try to do something about it, don't you? 47 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:53,510 You've read the pieces in The Guardian about the hacking? 48 00:02:54,250 --> 00:02:55,250 Yeah, an excellent one. 49 00:02:55,830 --> 00:02:58,010 Did you read the pieces in The New York Times too? 50 00:02:58,350 --> 00:02:58,749 I did. 51 00:02:58,750 --> 00:03:00,650 And you know the work that Glenn is doing at Panorama? 52 00:03:00,970 --> 00:03:01,970 Yeah. 53 00:03:04,250 --> 00:03:05,250 Rupert Murdoch. 54 00:03:05,420 --> 00:03:09,320 is trying to take control of B -Sky B. If he does that, it's a valuable 55 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,340 organization, and he will leverage the value of it to accumulate the debt 56 00:03:13,340 --> 00:03:18,840 to buy a huge multinational company, perhaps Disney or Time Warner. 57 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,320 He'll have control of our media landscape and a good hold of America. 58 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,820 He needs to be stopped. 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:28,840 I agree. 60 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,400 I will tell you my stories, and you will tell me yours. 61 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,440 And then perhaps, David, 62 00:03:35,350 --> 00:03:37,070 Perhaps we can work out how to help each other. 63 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:38,550 What do you say? 64 00:03:40,630 --> 00:03:41,630 What do you want me to say? 65 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,800 Into the shark cage. 66 00:04:10,100 --> 00:04:12,840 I don't think they'll be providing us with cages tonight. 67 00:04:13,060 --> 00:04:17,600 You're late. The helpful press awards were a good idea. A narcissist who 68 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,620 realized it's an industry full of narcissists who pay to be rewarded for 69 00:04:21,620 --> 00:04:23,300 narcissism. I can't be here. 70 00:04:24,260 --> 00:04:25,260 Look over there. 71 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,600 It means the world. 72 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:31,760 You know, they actually have members of staff under arrest and many more being 73 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,420 investigated. Ra's neck on them is ridiculous. 74 00:04:34,860 --> 00:04:36,480 So the least I can attempt is some neck? 75 00:04:37,020 --> 00:04:39,100 No. I just want you here. 76 00:04:39,340 --> 00:04:40,520 You think we're going to win something? 77 00:04:40,740 --> 00:04:45,860 You're mad. Everyone here hates us. I want you here because I want us to lose 78 00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:46,860 with dignity. 79 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:48,220 Together. 80 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,720 I've missed you. 81 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,200 I feel itchy. I hate this shirt. It makes you look extremely handsome. 82 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:55,539 Oh, well. 83 00:04:55,540 --> 00:04:58,060 Now, I have to go and play nice with some rich board members. 84 00:04:58,460 --> 00:05:00,860 But please remember, these people... 85 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,240 They're more frightened of you than you are of them. There's a difference 86 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,580 between hate and fear. 87 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,760 your attention please before our awards start this evening we have a special 88 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:36,720 update from journalist nick davies on wednesday the 26th of january news 89 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:41,220 international passed scotland yard three email messages which they claimed to 90 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:45,040 have only just discovered in ian edmondson's computer and ian edmondson 91 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:50,660 sacked once in receipt of these emails scotland yard announced a new inquiry 92 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:57,300 Operation Wheating under the command of Sue Akers. I dismissed Wheating as a PR 93 00:05:57,300 --> 00:06:01,900 move by the Met until on the 9th of February they released a statement. 94 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:08,380 The new evidence recently provided by News International is being considered 95 00:06:08,380 --> 00:06:14,040 alongside material already in the Metropolitan Police Service's 96 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:15,520 Couldn't be. 97 00:06:15,660 --> 00:06:19,280 They weren't finally going to investigate the last four years of their 98 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:25,460 incompetence. All actions and decisions by the previous investigation are being 99 00:06:25,460 --> 00:06:29,340 reviewed. What were they? Were we winning, finally? 100 00:06:30,740 --> 00:06:32,780 I certainly didn't feel like a winner. 101 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:37,720 And the award for showbiz reporter of the year goes to... 102 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,340 It's Stephen Moyes of the News of the World. 103 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,220 Congratulations, Stephen. 104 00:06:42,620 --> 00:06:47,200 Okay, and the award for News Reporter of the Year goes to... It's the fake 105 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,820 Sheikh Mazam Amr for the News of the World. 106 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:56,240 The Scoop of the Year now. The Scoop of the Year is awarded to the News of the 107 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,780 World for its excellent coverage of the cricket corruption scandal. 108 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,480 And the award goes to... The News of the World! 109 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,800 Okay, the moment we've all been waiting for. It's the big one. 110 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,500 The Newspaper of the Year. 111 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Now, the Newspaper of the Year goes to, for what the judges say is a paper 112 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,140 completely unafraid to take on the powers that be. 113 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,940 So, the Newspaper of the Year award goes to... The Guardian! 114 00:07:42,570 --> 00:07:43,970 Jackie Ames? Yes. 115 00:07:44,590 --> 00:07:46,430 My name is D .S. Slater. 116 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:48,270 This is D .C. Grossman. 117 00:07:49,150 --> 00:07:50,150 Is it David? 118 00:07:50,710 --> 00:07:51,669 David Cook? 119 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:58,430 No. Well, I suppose, in a way, yes. We are here investigating. 120 00:07:58,650 --> 00:07:59,930 We're part of a new operation. 121 00:08:01,050 --> 00:08:02,050 Operation Wheating? 122 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:05,710 We're investigating allegations of phone hacking. 123 00:08:06,850 --> 00:08:08,490 Do you work for Johnny Eats? 124 00:08:08,770 --> 00:08:10,830 No, we're part of the Special Crime Directorate. 125 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,160 Under the command of Deputy Assistant Commissioner Akers. 126 00:08:19,860 --> 00:08:23,500 Great, thank you. You were found in the notebooks of Glenn Mulcair. 127 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,620 This doesn't surprise me. 128 00:08:27,140 --> 00:08:28,820 We'd like you to take a look at these details. 129 00:08:29,860 --> 00:08:32,900 Is this your police payroll and warrant numbers? 130 00:08:33,140 --> 00:08:34,140 Yes. 131 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:35,620 How did he have these? 132 00:08:36,260 --> 00:08:37,260 Is that... 133 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:39,240 That's where I lived in 1977. 134 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:41,360 Is this where you worked in 2002? 135 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,340 Yes. And this phone number, this is... This is correct, yeah. 136 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:50,580 There's information here that could only have come from my police personnel 137 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:54,720 file. Yeah, we, um... That's what we think. 138 00:08:58,020 --> 00:09:00,420 Someone within the Met sold him my information. 139 00:09:01,780 --> 00:09:02,780 David's information. 140 00:09:03,260 --> 00:09:04,260 It's, um... 141 00:09:11,950 --> 00:09:12,950 When was this known? 142 00:09:13,330 --> 00:09:16,850 When did the Metropolitan Police have this information? 143 00:09:18,930 --> 00:09:22,090 A notebook was taken from Montclair in 2006. 144 00:09:27,410 --> 00:09:28,410 Yeah. 145 00:09:29,470 --> 00:09:36,130 And the Metro is neither too informing nor investigate this possible 146 00:09:36,130 --> 00:09:37,130 corruption. 147 00:09:40,940 --> 00:09:42,120 That's what we're trying to do now, Mum. 148 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:51,100 Glenn Campbell. 149 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,120 Nick Davis. Hi. 150 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:53,300 Honour and a privilege. 151 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,340 I hear that you're not well liked at Panorama. 152 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:00,160 I hear you're adored at the Guardian. 153 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:02,840 So, who do you usually meet here? 154 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,340 Is this where you meet criminals or politicians? 155 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,700 I float between cafes and pubs like a butterfly at a festival. 156 00:10:09,530 --> 00:10:12,490 Liked the panorama on Alex Marinchak. It wasn't one of mine. 157 00:10:12,970 --> 00:10:14,690 You helped a lot. It was good. 158 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:19,010 You've got some particularly great hits in on Jonathan Rees. I really liked your 159 00:10:19,010 --> 00:10:20,010 piece on him, too. 160 00:10:20,310 --> 00:10:21,310 Mr. A. 161 00:10:21,490 --> 00:10:22,490 Very good. 162 00:10:22,890 --> 00:10:23,890 You writing more? 163 00:10:24,130 --> 00:10:25,130 No. 164 00:10:26,390 --> 00:10:28,290 I'm... Didn't Dave say, I'm out? 165 00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:30,290 Coulson's gone, as far as I can go. 166 00:10:31,130 --> 00:10:32,130 Don't look like that. 167 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:34,550 An engineer death, but something. 168 00:10:34,790 --> 00:10:37,230 I wanted people to take it seriously. They didn't, so... 169 00:10:37,630 --> 00:10:39,110 I'm handing everything on. 170 00:10:40,010 --> 00:10:42,150 Trying to persuade Ireland to give me Belgium. 171 00:10:43,130 --> 00:10:44,910 They gave you Newspaper of the Year. 172 00:10:45,250 --> 00:10:47,530 That was for the Guardian, not me. I lost my category. 173 00:10:48,090 --> 00:10:50,330 You're getting somewhere, Nick. I got somewhere. 174 00:10:51,050 --> 00:10:54,430 Look, I know this must have cost you. Cost me isn't half of it. 175 00:10:55,770 --> 00:11:02,190 No one... No one cared. The whole industry turned away like a complicit 176 00:11:02,470 --> 00:11:05,210 What if I said I came to see you today with an agenda? 177 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:11,140 I'm friends with Claire Rue Castle -Brown, the journalist and sister -in 178 00:11:11,140 --> 00:11:16,820 Gordon Brown. He's leaning in. I took Dave to see him, and he now wants to 179 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:17,820 you. 180 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:19,359 Gordon Brown? 181 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,280 Gordon's been looking at your work, and he thinks there's a way to use it to go 182 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:23,280 further. 183 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,080 Come on, Nick. 184 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,980 What's meeting him going to cost you? 185 00:11:37,100 --> 00:11:41,660 Well, it's wonderful to have you all here. Thank you, Claire and Glenn, for 186 00:11:41,660 --> 00:11:42,660 organizing it. 187 00:11:43,420 --> 00:11:46,200 You know, I have such respect for the work of everyone in this room. 188 00:11:46,780 --> 00:11:48,980 And I used to be prime minister. There, does that start us off? 189 00:11:49,620 --> 00:11:51,440 Just about. 190 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:57,260 The Murdoch B -Sky B -Bid would be a disaster for our country. This hacking 191 00:11:57,260 --> 00:12:00,820 investigation needs better scrutiny than people have chosen to give it. If 192 00:12:00,820 --> 00:12:03,720 people understood, properly understood the hacking, what was happening with 193 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,440 hacking, it may mean they rethink the B -Sky B -Bid. 194 00:12:06,700 --> 00:12:08,220 We have a shared objective. 195 00:12:08,860 --> 00:12:15,180 How we achieve that objective is, well, I increasingly believe, as it is clear, 196 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:17,480 and Tom, we'd be best to achieve together. 197 00:12:18,680 --> 00:12:20,520 And perhaps everyone would like some tea. 198 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:22,380 And perhaps everyone would like some tea. 199 00:12:23,020 --> 00:12:24,960 That's it, that's it, I'll pour. No, I'll pour. 200 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:27,480 Right. 201 00:12:28,580 --> 00:12:29,580 Who would like to begin? 202 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,360 Well, maybe I should speak first. 203 00:12:32,650 --> 00:12:37,530 I was recently interrupted in an investigation room and shown details of 204 00:12:37,530 --> 00:12:42,130 in Operation Wheating that were... Well, the level of intrusion was troubling. 205 00:12:42,330 --> 00:12:45,570 It's just possible that Operation Wheating is the first met -up to be run 206 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:48,350 properly. Well, the secret is John Yates isn't running it. 207 00:12:48,630 --> 00:12:52,090 Good. Good. So, how do we help them? 208 00:12:52,790 --> 00:12:54,150 Where will they struggle? 209 00:12:54,510 --> 00:12:56,530 Well, we have to get them to include Jonathan Rees. 210 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:59,550 It makes no sense to tackle Mulcair and not Rees. 211 00:13:00,590 --> 00:13:04,010 I've got invoices to show that they were both up to exactly the same activity. 212 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:07,130 Prepare me a file and I'll send it to Sue Akers. 213 00:13:07,770 --> 00:13:08,770 Is it that simple? 214 00:13:09,030 --> 00:13:13,110 Well, I have access to Sue through the Select Committee. I can't promise 215 00:13:13,110 --> 00:13:15,070 results, but it's the start, no? 216 00:13:15,370 --> 00:13:20,050 Sue and I were DSs at the same time. I've already asked her to expand the 217 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:24,550 of the investigation, but... It'll mean more coming from a parliamentary 218 00:13:24,550 --> 00:13:25,550 perspective. 219 00:13:25,930 --> 00:13:26,930 Good. 220 00:13:27,150 --> 00:13:28,150 What else? 221 00:13:29,130 --> 00:13:31,490 You seem to all be constantly looking at me surprised. 222 00:13:32,130 --> 00:13:34,790 Correct me if I'm wrong, but the problem we have is that the police, 223 00:13:34,810 --> 00:13:37,830 politicians, and press are all collaborating under Murdoch's aegis. 224 00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:43,110 We are also made up of police, politicians, and press. A non -official 225 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:44,570 opposition, if you like. 226 00:13:45,230 --> 00:13:47,330 So, let's talk. 227 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:49,470 What do we need to do? 228 00:13:56,390 --> 00:13:57,390 You are... 229 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,520 Are you having a nice time? 230 00:14:00,260 --> 00:14:01,260 What? 231 00:14:01,820 --> 00:14:04,700 You know, you're a remarkable campaigner, Mick. Did you ever consider 232 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:05,700 politics? 233 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:10,020 Um... Well, I don't know. I don't know. 234 00:14:10,780 --> 00:14:11,780 Why would you say that? 235 00:14:12,260 --> 00:14:14,400 Perhaps a bit too suspicious of other people to be a politician. 236 00:14:14,740 --> 00:14:16,520 Something I struggle with myself sometimes. 237 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:20,620 And I believe it because I've seen it on this case. 238 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,540 You're not sure whether I mean this, are you? 239 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,000 Sorry? You don't trust me? 240 00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,900 I think this is the ball that I picked up that I will quickly drop. 241 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,280 You're saying you won't drop the ball? 242 00:14:35,420 --> 00:14:40,260 You know, they, um... They came at me in every way, as you might expect. 243 00:14:41,180 --> 00:14:42,180 They blagged my lawyer. 244 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:47,560 They procured my family's medical information, and they, um... This is 245 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,980 something. They impersonated me to get into my building society account. 246 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:52,719 That's a lot. 247 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,040 I tried to hold a judicial inquiry into phone hacking, and, uh, let's see now, 248 00:14:56,180 --> 00:15:01,810 uh... Autumn 2009, after I read a piece of yours, that was my first article. 249 00:15:02,110 --> 00:15:05,350 The civil service resisted it, I think is a kind term. 250 00:15:05,610 --> 00:15:07,650 It did not meet the tests of public concern. 251 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:14,890 You know, everyone thinks I'm close to Rupert. He's very adept at that. He 252 00:15:14,890 --> 00:15:20,170 quietly, you know all this. He rarely disagrees. He asks questions and he 253 00:15:20,170 --> 00:15:23,170 makes everyone feel interesting. 254 00:15:23,770 --> 00:15:25,130 It fascinates me. 255 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:27,800 How the powerful let him in. 256 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,760 I wasn't as good at that game as Tony. 257 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,880 When he came for me, and he did, I was unprepared. 258 00:15:37,580 --> 00:15:40,680 Whether it was how I bowed my head at the cenotaph or how I wrote to the 259 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,220 grieving mothers of dead soldiers. 260 00:15:42,620 --> 00:15:43,620 Yes, I remember. 261 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:49,640 You know, I rang Rupert to tell him that his papers were damaging morale in 262 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,800 Afghanistan. As Prime Minister, I was asking people to fight. 263 00:15:54,730 --> 00:15:58,830 And he was telling them article after article that I was casual with their 264 00:15:58,830 --> 00:16:02,810 lives, with soldiers' lives, that I didn't care, to undermine that, to make 265 00:16:02,810 --> 00:16:09,230 those young people feel undervalued by their government. 266 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:13,230 It's just not right. 267 00:16:18,330 --> 00:16:20,650 Sometimes you can tell that you're the son of a preacher. 268 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,520 You know he wants everything. 269 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,080 His ambition is limitless. 270 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,240 But he's overstepped here. 271 00:16:32,340 --> 00:16:33,340 And badly. 272 00:16:34,540 --> 00:16:38,220 We can, and we should, do something important to counter him. 273 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,640 But this started with you, and it's going to need to end with you. 274 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,020 All I wish is to say, we need you, Nick. 275 00:17:00,140 --> 00:17:01,140 Dave? Dave? 276 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:02,280 Yes, sir. 277 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:04,480 How's life at soccer? 278 00:17:05,420 --> 00:17:06,420 We're getting somewhere. 279 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:09,660 Did I hear you've been giving orders to GCHQ? That must be fun. 280 00:17:10,180 --> 00:17:11,800 It's a bit more complicated than that. 281 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:14,319 What can I do for you, John? 282 00:17:14,859 --> 00:17:16,280 Would you mind popping into mine for a minute? 283 00:17:17,060 --> 00:17:18,060 Sure. 284 00:17:18,460 --> 00:17:24,000 Internal investigations caught an email coming from your computer to Mike 285 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Sullivan at the Sun. 286 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:26,280 Which email? 287 00:17:30,570 --> 00:17:31,570 So why is this a problem? 288 00:17:31,690 --> 00:17:34,490 I said you'd rather be told it by me. Well, and he was useful in morgue, and 289 00:17:34,490 --> 00:17:37,070 he's still useful now. I mean, you've got a good relationship with him 290 00:17:37,250 --> 00:17:39,970 haven't you? I also have one or two questions about the Panorama program 291 00:17:39,970 --> 00:17:40,649 went out. 292 00:17:40,650 --> 00:17:44,670 Yep. I believe you're friends with Glenn Campbell at Panorama. Have we? 293 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:46,090 Do you think you could ask him? 294 00:17:46,710 --> 00:17:49,010 Have we got footage of Jonathan Rees with his computer? 295 00:17:49,670 --> 00:17:51,290 Well, he's quite protective of his sources. 296 00:17:51,630 --> 00:17:55,350 Rees is convinced, as am I, that the footage could only have come from inside 297 00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:56,350 the Met. 298 00:17:56,490 --> 00:17:58,190 He's threatening to take action again. 299 00:17:59,430 --> 00:18:00,430 Did it? 300 00:18:00,780 --> 00:18:03,480 Come from inside the mech? Is that a further press relation? 301 00:18:03,700 --> 00:18:05,960 The request to pass information to Mike Sullivan came for you. 302 00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:07,360 I mean, he's your mate. 303 00:18:07,540 --> 00:18:10,100 But there are rules, Dave, and you know that. I do. 304 00:18:11,060 --> 00:18:13,680 And there's Operation Waiting Treatment, Mr. 305 00:18:13,940 --> 00:18:14,940 Lawrence. 306 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:22,360 Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan, Nick Davis, or anyone fucking else anything 307 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:24,860 our cases, and you'll be strung up for all to see. 308 00:18:25,260 --> 00:18:26,260 Do you hear me? 309 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:28,600 Yeah, I hear you. 310 00:18:35,180 --> 00:18:37,520 I've got permission to talk about it with you and you alone. 311 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,520 I am privileged. 312 00:18:39,820 --> 00:18:41,700 It means private meetings, you and I, outside of editorial. 313 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,399 Of course. 314 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,700 When have we not had those? 315 00:18:46,380 --> 00:18:47,380 Welcome back. 316 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,660 Alan, our Scottish friend, you know it better than I do. 317 00:18:53,620 --> 00:18:54,660 We can trust him, right? 318 00:18:55,340 --> 00:18:56,660 I want to say two things. 319 00:18:57,300 --> 00:18:59,460 One, you're a journalist. 320 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:05,860 And... I'm scared that getting into bed with certain politicians, well, we'll 321 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:07,260 lose our vital independence. 322 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:12,240 You do it all the time. I share my bed with all political parties, and I hope 323 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,700 I'm pretty fair at sharing the covers. 324 00:19:21,260 --> 00:19:27,440 Nick, we've just removed a senior member of Conservative staff, and I don't want 325 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,560 that dismissed as coming from the newspaper arm of the Labour group. 326 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,100 Understood, but I asked about Gordon. And that's the second thing. 327 00:19:35,260 --> 00:19:39,840 You don't go into a room with Gordon Brown and get what you want. You go into 328 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:40,940 room and get what he wants. 329 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,940 He's ferociously intelligent and very used to power. 330 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:52,020 But if your interests align, as I think they do here, 331 00:19:52,620 --> 00:19:55,240 he can be a remarkable ally. 332 00:19:56,900 --> 00:19:58,440 One last push, is it? 333 00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:00,520 And then I want Brussels. 334 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,800 Then you want your well -paid chocolate dream. 335 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,140 Of course. Good. 336 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:08,500 But please, Nick, take it slow. 337 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,200 To work. What have you got? 338 00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:15,200 The flood of cases is overwhelming the courts, so they've appointed a hacking 339 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,600 judge. He's already causing trouble. At the Andy Gray trial, he said it's clear 340 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,500 Mulcair had been regularly hacking him. So that's an invitation. Any man, woman, 341 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,340 or creature who has anything in those books has been given license to sue. 342 00:20:27,540 --> 00:20:28,880 And you'll write it up? 343 00:20:29,100 --> 00:20:30,100 Yeah. 344 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,260 Why do you think they gave us this? 345 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,420 Good journalism. 346 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,480 None of them support the story, our story. 347 00:20:41,420 --> 00:20:42,420 Guilt. 348 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:44,820 World's most powerful motive. 349 00:20:48,100 --> 00:20:49,100 Oh, I love you, darling. 350 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,300 Yeah, love you too. 351 00:20:50,860 --> 00:20:51,860 Don't know, don't know, don't know. 352 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,080 Okay. It's Mike and Chief. 353 00:20:56,820 --> 00:20:59,340 She's, uh, she's not been sleeping very well. 354 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:03,740 I've been making her leave her phone downstairs most nights, so I'm not sure 355 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:05,220 you'd get away with that. 356 00:21:05,700 --> 00:21:06,700 I've done my best. 357 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:14,280 Also, um... I've, uh, been contacted by Operation Weeting. 358 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:16,580 Oh, have you? 359 00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:19,780 You knew then? 360 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,020 The things they had on me. 361 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,340 Oh, no, I'm sorry. I should have warned you. Yeah. 362 00:21:32,020 --> 00:21:33,320 Yates came after me today. 363 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:34,620 And? 364 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,920 Didn't land a punch. 365 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:37,120 Good. 366 00:21:38,180 --> 00:21:39,560 They're keeping me at arm's length. 367 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,420 But they did tell me a few pieces of useful information. You remember that 368 00:21:44,420 --> 00:21:47,800 Surrey Police got a call fishing for my details? 369 00:21:48,260 --> 00:21:53,400 Mm -hm. Well, Wheating told me that, um, it was probably Mulcair. 370 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,839 They made that call. 371 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,840 Jesus Christ. 372 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:02,080 I don't think anyone's understood the depth of criminality here. 373 00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:05,400 Destabilising police investigations. 374 00:22:05,660 --> 00:22:10,140 I mean, we're talking about a murder charge being... Yeah, look who I'm 375 00:22:10,300 --> 00:22:11,300 right? 376 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,680 Please don't laugh at me about this. I'm not. 377 00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:16,020 I'm not. 378 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,780 You know, right at the beginning of this, I went to see Rebecca Brooks. 379 00:22:23,820 --> 00:22:27,100 And I said, um, what you're doing is outrageous. 380 00:22:28,700 --> 00:22:29,720 And you know what she said? 381 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,840 She said, we believed that you and Jackie were having an affair. 382 00:22:35,380 --> 00:22:39,980 And as you're both public figures, public interest was on our side. 383 00:22:41,060 --> 00:22:43,500 They thought we were having an affair and we were already married. 384 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:44,880 Ridiculous. 385 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,440 I'm thug. 386 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:48,980 Cruel, I think, is a better word. 387 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,660 I have a source in the police who's been quite openly victimized. It might stop 388 00:23:00,660 --> 00:23:02,620 the whining celebrity angle. 389 00:23:03,420 --> 00:23:05,240 What whining celebrity angle? 390 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,860 People dismissing it because they think it's just celebrities whining. Get him 391 00:23:09,860 --> 00:23:10,659 on the record. 392 00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:13,120 He's been badly damaged by all this already. 393 00:23:13,340 --> 00:23:14,340 You're Nick Davis? 394 00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:16,700 Only on weekdays. 395 00:23:17,260 --> 00:23:20,360 Have we met? How can I help? By telling me what the fuck you think you're doing, 396 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:21,400 stealing my story. 397 00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:24,600 Can we use your office? 398 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:32,380 Which story have I stolen? 399 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:34,580 Apparently you're Mr. Hacking. 400 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,060 Every hacking story carries your byline. 401 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:38,260 It doesn't. 402 00:23:38,780 --> 00:23:42,660 Today, in the paper, published. You didn't write one word of it. 403 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,320 No. 404 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:48,440 Well, aren't you going to apologize? 405 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,960 No. 406 00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:52,980 You know... 407 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,760 The Guardian gives out all this shit about what kind of world I don't want, 408 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,260 yet... This is well written. Fuck off. 409 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,540 I didn't ask for credit on it. Whoever said I did was wrong. 410 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,260 Right then, who do we see next? 411 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:05,800 Alan? Old. 412 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:10,180 Anything? Writing a story about the hacking scandal without consulting 413 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:12,720 who spent the last three years having his life destroyed by it. 414 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:16,340 Is this what worked for you? 415 00:24:16,700 --> 00:24:18,740 When you're attacked, you just attack back? 416 00:24:19,060 --> 00:24:20,060 No, sometimes. 417 00:24:20,660 --> 00:24:22,000 Maybe you could have something there. 418 00:24:22,330 --> 00:24:23,710 This is about Operation Wheating. 419 00:24:24,250 --> 00:24:25,450 It's a totally different thing. 420 00:24:26,030 --> 00:24:28,350 How come I haven't seen you round the offices before? 421 00:24:29,810 --> 00:24:30,810 I work alone. 422 00:24:31,150 --> 00:24:32,150 My own hours. 423 00:24:32,490 --> 00:24:33,570 They're supportive of it. 424 00:24:33,790 --> 00:24:35,010 What have you got on Wheating? 425 00:24:35,610 --> 00:24:38,110 Contact of mine in the force has been put on it. 426 00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:39,470 He's feeding me. 427 00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:41,110 Tell me everything. 428 00:24:41,150 --> 00:24:42,150 No. 429 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:46,710 He says it's timid. 430 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:49,550 He's eager for more action. 431 00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:51,230 What's he giving you? 432 00:24:51,450 --> 00:24:52,590 each arrest as it happens. 433 00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:57,350 Neville Thirlbeck is going to be at Kingston Police Station between 9 and 434 00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:58,770 I'm there conveniently for the arrest. 435 00:24:59,630 --> 00:25:06,530 Can you, might you, tell your source, tell them to look into the initial 436 00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:09,010 committee hearings, and in particular the letter they received from News 437 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:12,390 International lawyers, because there's disclosures in that the police never got 438 00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:13,390 the answer to. 439 00:25:17,050 --> 00:25:18,830 Thanks. Yeah, I will. 440 00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:23,530 Would it be so bad as working together? 441 00:25:24,690 --> 00:25:25,750 You need to see this. 442 00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:30,030 Here's Ben Grazia in walking with more on this story. 443 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:34,550 First the denial that celebrity voicemail messages were listened to. 444 00:25:34,550 --> 00:25:38,170 claim it was down to a single rogue reporter and his private investigator 445 00:25:38,170 --> 00:25:43,310 sidekick. Now the admission, we failed to uncover what was going on. We're 446 00:25:43,310 --> 00:25:45,550 to apologize and we're going to pay up. 447 00:25:45,790 --> 00:25:46,790 Fuck. 448 00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:48,190 Absolutely right. 449 00:25:49,719 --> 00:25:51,980 Exactly the news of the world admitting to it. 450 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,560 It's brilliant. 451 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,179 Is it? 452 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:58,740 Well, by admitting they were at fault and agreeing to cooperate. In fact, what 453 00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:02,480 they're doing is they're finding a new device for concealing the truth. Nick, 454 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,600 will it be cheaper? 455 00:26:04,220 --> 00:26:07,380 Standard rate damages rather than the million pound hush money they've had to 456 00:26:07,380 --> 00:26:09,960 pay up. And getting it out in court now is next to impossible. 457 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:10,919 Am I right? 458 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,000 Well, if you are, for instance, Fiona Miller, and you do take it to trial, 459 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,740 if she ends up getting... 460 00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:21,780 less at trial than they offered her before, then she risks being ordered to 461 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:23,840 both sides' costs, which could be astronomical. 462 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:28,000 And so, then, yes, it makes getting to trial almost impossible. 463 00:26:28,660 --> 00:26:33,320 Shit. My advice is, they've twisted one way, we must twist another. 464 00:26:33,660 --> 00:26:36,460 I've had a reply from Sue Akers on Reef. 465 00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,120 She's shown you that? 466 00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:42,820 She says her remit is limited to more care and the notebook. She isn't going 467 00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:43,479 near Reef. 468 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,080 Should we try to leak something? Put pressure on that way? 469 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:50,510 I've got Rees specifically targeting Kate Middleton. I've just heard he 470 00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:51,349 John Yates. 471 00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:56,890 Or we could... Do you think if we twisted an arm or two, do you think we 472 00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:58,390 get me up the list for PMQs? 473 00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:01,170 That's a very good idea. 474 00:27:01,770 --> 00:27:02,770 I'm not following. 475 00:27:03,010 --> 00:27:04,390 What does Sue Akers want? 476 00:27:04,650 --> 00:27:08,690 To be free to take the evidence wherever it leads her with a swift prod from the 477 00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:09,690 left? 478 00:27:09,870 --> 00:27:12,170 Maybe the Prime Minister will extend her brief. 479 00:27:12,590 --> 00:27:14,410 You could even name Rees. 480 00:27:15,390 --> 00:27:16,750 Good, good. Hang on. 481 00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:19,750 All of this exposes Dave to scrutiny again. 482 00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:22,390 No, I'm ready. 483 00:27:23,290 --> 00:27:24,290 Tom, can I help? 484 00:27:24,890 --> 00:27:25,869 Please do. 485 00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:27,190 Good, good. 486 00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:29,230 Let's box Cameron in. 487 00:27:29,530 --> 00:27:33,570 As the Prime Minister has previously said, the hacking inquiry should go 488 00:27:33,570 --> 00:27:37,670 the evidence takes it. The Metropolitan Police are in possession of paperwork 489 00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:42,390 which details the dealings of criminal private investigator Jonathan Rees. 490 00:27:42,860 --> 00:27:46,560 It strongly suggests that on behalf of News International, he was illegally 491 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,260 targeting members of the royal family, senior politicians and high -level 492 00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:52,520 terrorist informers. 493 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,720 Yet the head of Operation Wheating has recently written to me to explain that 494 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,100 this evidence may be outside the inquiry's terms of reference. 495 00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:05,180 Prime Minister, I believe powerful forces are involved in a cover -up. 496 00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:11,540 Please, please tell me what you intend to do to make sure that this doesn't 497 00:28:11,540 --> 00:28:12,540 happen. 498 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,500 The point I'd make to the Honourable Gentleman, I know he takes a close 499 00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:19,700 in this, is there is a police inquiry. 500 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,460 A police inquiry doesn't need terms of reference. 501 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:26,940 The police are free to investigate the evidence and take that wherever it leads 502 00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:29,880 them, and then mount a prosecution with the CPS. 503 00:28:31,940 --> 00:28:32,940 Amelia. Hi. 504 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,040 Saw you go in. Sorry, a bit weird to wait for people outside toilets. 505 00:28:36,540 --> 00:28:37,519 Hold on a second. 506 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,459 Got a minute? 507 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:39,460 Sure. 508 00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:41,800 Two inquiries are being set up. 509 00:28:42,170 --> 00:28:45,530 Operation Tolita, looking specifically into Jonathan Rees. Good. 510 00:28:46,050 --> 00:28:49,110 Operation Eldon. Never get over Scotland Yard. Need for a strange name. 511 00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:52,510 To investigate the alleged payment of bribes to police officers and other 512 00:28:52,510 --> 00:28:55,770 officials from journalists from the News of the World. What's made them do this? 513 00:28:56,530 --> 00:28:58,050 You didn't see Tom Watson's speech? 514 00:28:58,370 --> 00:28:59,370 Oh, I may have, Tom. 515 00:28:59,510 --> 00:29:00,510 Did you write it? 516 00:29:04,670 --> 00:29:05,670 Also, 517 00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:10,130 the select committee wading you suggested to my officer. 518 00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:11,450 Let's call him... 519 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,060 Jingle. Fine. 520 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,880 It proved fruitful. 521 00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:19,600 Operation Waiting forced some emails out of News International, and the Met 522 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,820 discovered on their service some systematic deletions. 523 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,099 Of course. 524 00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,480 In particular, one enormous deletion in January. 525 00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:33,140 While they were handing over those three emails from Ian Edmonton, can we print? 526 00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:34,860 I'm working on it. 527 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,520 Look, Jingle was grateful for the advice. 528 00:29:39,230 --> 00:29:43,410 He said he can't volunteer information on active cases, but ask him a question, 529 00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:44,570 he'll tell no lies. 530 00:29:52,550 --> 00:29:55,070 We've had something interesting come up. What is Judge Voss doing? 531 00:29:55,270 --> 00:29:57,290 I feel like we've only seen a tiny percent of Mulcair's notes. 532 00:29:57,490 --> 00:29:58,810 Voss has been with Voss with everyone. 533 00:29:59,390 --> 00:30:02,770 It's yielding fruit. Fiona Miller has been... Sky advocated. It feels 534 00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:05,470 Where are we? Nick, I've got something, if you're interested, but you'll need to 535 00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:06,990 listen. Sorry, go on. 536 00:30:10,670 --> 00:30:14,290 I've been representing, as you know, Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman. Yeah, I read 537 00:30:14,290 --> 00:30:15,290 about it. You're doing brilliantly. 538 00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:18,910 You're like my ex. 539 00:30:19,130 --> 00:30:21,570 You always get complimentary when you know you're in the wrong. 540 00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:24,470 Sorry. I am sorry. 541 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:27,610 I heard you were a mess. 542 00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:34,210 Oh, I can see an island of sanity. I'm floating close to it. Go on. 543 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,440 I went to Putney so that the waiting officers could show me the notes my care 544 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,200 had taken from Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman's voicemail. Yeah. 545 00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:52,560 Now, some genius combined the two names and gave me 546 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,140 the details of Leslie Chapman. 547 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:57,720 Remind me? 548 00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,500 Jessica Chapman's father. 549 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,600 Jessica Chapman was one of the murdered schoolgirls, right? The Soren murders. 550 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,080 It looks like Leslie Chapman's voicemail was hacked. 551 00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:12,090 They hacked the voicemail of a grieving father. I'm not sure, but it looks that 552 00:31:12,090 --> 00:31:13,490 way. You can't use it. 553 00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:15,610 Yet. 554 00:31:16,890 --> 00:31:17,990 This could change everything. 555 00:31:18,430 --> 00:31:19,630 I need to talk to the family. 556 00:31:20,110 --> 00:31:21,210 I need permissions. 557 00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:23,410 I need to be sure. 558 00:31:24,410 --> 00:31:26,890 Chapman found out I could talk to them. That's not why I'm telling you this. 559 00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:29,830 Nick, think. 560 00:31:30,470 --> 00:31:34,210 If they're doing this to the Chapman... Where else have they been? 561 00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:36,110 Exactly. 562 00:31:42,129 --> 00:31:43,129 Jessica Chapman. 563 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:47,210 Oh, the soul murders tore the place apart for a while. 564 00:31:47,950 --> 00:31:49,750 She's sure they were into the parents' phone. 565 00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:52,410 It's in Malker's notebooks, but I can't get in there. 566 00:31:52,910 --> 00:31:54,010 I've got to find another way in. 567 00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:55,810 There you are. 568 00:31:56,050 --> 00:31:57,270 I envy your confidence. 569 00:31:58,910 --> 00:32:04,690 No, I'm just... Just happy to have you back. 570 00:32:07,970 --> 00:32:09,030 I thought that was better. 571 00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:10,630 Sometimes. 572 00:32:11,530 --> 00:32:12,530 Come on then, guys. 573 00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:16,750 Are you just frying that cheese? 574 00:32:17,170 --> 00:32:18,750 It's halloumi cheese, you'll like it. 575 00:32:19,170 --> 00:32:20,170 I'm not hungry anymore. 576 00:32:20,450 --> 00:32:24,630 What? No, it's just I don't get it. I mean, I eat when I know that I have to 577 00:32:24,630 --> 00:32:25,630 eat. 578 00:32:26,390 --> 00:32:27,730 I just don't get hungry anymore. 579 00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:31,610 Don't. What? What a sympathy look. 580 00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:32,810 I'm not being sympathetic. 581 00:32:33,010 --> 00:32:34,850 Don't try and pretend you're any better state than me. 582 00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:39,090 I've seen you, mate. You are this close to total collapse, I'm telling you. You 583 00:32:39,090 --> 00:32:40,150 know the story of the dung beetle? 584 00:32:40,610 --> 00:32:42,550 Oh. God, have I slipped that low. 585 00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:44,850 What? That's what you throw out. 586 00:32:45,490 --> 00:32:47,490 You throw out that story quite a lot, you know. 587 00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:49,490 Ask your kid. Cry pity your kid. 588 00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:52,230 What was going on? Have you heard about the dung beetle? 589 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:53,590 An aggressive response. 590 00:32:55,150 --> 00:32:56,150 Come on. 591 00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:57,330 That'll make you hungry. 592 00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:59,470 Thank you. 593 00:33:02,670 --> 00:33:04,390 You want to know how I do it now? Hmm. 594 00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:06,890 I focus on the details. 595 00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:09,190 Always the next detail. 596 00:33:10,860 --> 00:33:13,740 I've been phobic of blood ever since a body exploded on me. 597 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,080 Body exploded on you? Yeah, well, an older man full of hernias. 598 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,240 Normally, when a pathologist's scalpel enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss. 599 00:33:23,860 --> 00:33:25,840 Well, this time, it exploded. 600 00:33:26,740 --> 00:33:28,260 Blood was everywhere. I was covered in it. 601 00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:32,220 But I was in homicide, so I'd gone to pathology as a key part of my job, 602 00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:34,460 So I focused on the details. 603 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,600 Ears. 604 00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:38,940 Oars. 605 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,040 Even how the wound looked. 606 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,000 The blood I made disappear. 607 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,680 So how do you do it, Nick? 608 00:34:41,739 --> 00:34:42,739 Tell me I'm mad. 609 00:34:44,739 --> 00:34:50,280 With pleasure. I was in the database, News of the World, April 14th, 2002, 250 610 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:54,540 words long, page 9. It claims that voicemail messages were sent to Millie's 611 00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:56,580 phone after she disappeared. 612 00:34:57,900 --> 00:34:58,900 Millie Dowler. 613 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,020 Police say voicemails were left by a mentally disturbed woman who has hoaxed 614 00:35:04,020 --> 00:35:06,940 previous inquiries. Even quotes what she said. 615 00:35:07,980 --> 00:35:11,760 Uh, hello, we're ringing because we have some interviews starting. Can you call 616 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:12,800 me back? Thank you, bye -bye. 617 00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:18,840 This is six days after Millie had disappeared. 618 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:23,700 Finally, didn't the paper? 619 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:27,900 That reference was remote. 620 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,300 Because they might have realized what a boobie they'd made. 621 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:40,030 Charlotte has evidence that they hacked Jessica Chapman's father on the Soane 622 00:35:40,030 --> 00:35:43,670 case. We can't get close to that. That was the family, but she was the girl 623 00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:44,670 herself. 624 00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:46,570 Rebecca was editor then. 625 00:35:47,710 --> 00:35:49,190 This was under her aegis. 626 00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:53,410 Can you confirm this? 627 00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:54,630 I think so. 628 00:35:59,090 --> 00:36:00,690 Is this as big as I think it is? 629 00:36:03,050 --> 00:36:04,050 Yes, it is. 630 00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:08,640 Make sure it stands up. 631 00:36:15,420 --> 00:36:16,820 Yeah, hi. Any fruit? 632 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,560 Jingle says they've been investigating. 633 00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:19,879 Is that confirmation? 634 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,320 Are they confirming that it happened? Yes, there is a page on Dowler in 635 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,320 Mulcair's notebooks. 636 00:36:25,020 --> 00:36:27,780 Right, we need to be absolutely watertight. 637 00:36:28,060 --> 00:36:32,000 Nick, he also says they're pursuing a line of inquiry. They've deleted 638 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,700 because the voicemail box was full. 639 00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:35,970 They deleted messages. 640 00:36:36,250 --> 00:36:37,830 I'll get a firm anonymous quote from Jingle. 641 00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:40,250 Okay. Thank you. Bye. Bye -bye. 642 00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:46,070 I have a source from inside Wheating. I've got the article. Glenn, I've got a 643 00:36:46,070 --> 00:36:49,090 good source saying that Surrey Police know about it and the Dowler family did 644 00:36:49,090 --> 00:36:50,090 not. 645 00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:51,450 Well, this is it. 646 00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:53,350 This is it. 647 00:36:53,550 --> 00:36:56,770 I don't want to believe, but I do. 648 00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:58,230 The source is clear. 649 00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:02,930 Stuart Kutner... Remember him. ...even called Surrey Police. He didn't just 650 00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:04,150 the voicemail, he followed up on it. 651 00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:07,970 They even think they deleted her answer phone messages to allow space for 652 00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:11,330 messages to be given, which made the family think she was still alive. 653 00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:12,750 Oh, God. 654 00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:16,590 Do you know, if we can land this, this changes everything. 655 00:37:17,570 --> 00:37:18,570 How? 656 00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:20,030 A child. 657 00:37:20,690 --> 00:37:24,950 A dead child's phone. It's despicable. You know, part of the British public 658 00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:28,470 think that celebrities, politicians, journalists even deserve everything that 659 00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:31,510 they get, but when an innocent is harmed. 660 00:37:32,090 --> 00:37:33,870 An innocent already wronged. 661 00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:35,630 Trust me. 662 00:37:36,550 --> 00:37:38,910 The news of the world will not be forgiven for this. 663 00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:44,270 Hi, 664 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:45,649 this is Dave. 665 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:46,650 Leave a message. 666 00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:50,570 David, I've been offered to go on to Channel 4. 667 00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:54,030 I don't have a career to protect and I think I should do it. 668 00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:57,590 If you have a problem with any of this, could you just call me or text me, 669 00:37:57,630 --> 00:37:58,770 please? Thank you. 670 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,140 Mrs. Dowler, my name is Nick Davis. I know. 671 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:34,860 They said you'd be coming by. 672 00:38:35,500 --> 00:38:36,840 I've just been watching you on YouTube. 673 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,600 Come on, come in. 674 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:40,920 Thank you. 675 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:48,660 Thank you. 676 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,440 So the police are keeping you... Up to date with it all, yes. 677 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,400 Operation Wheating, good team, it seems. 678 00:38:58,780 --> 00:38:59,780 They say it was true. 679 00:39:01,100 --> 00:39:02,140 Our daughter was hacked. 680 00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:05,240 Yes. 681 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:07,840 You tell us why. 682 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,240 Why, sorry? 683 00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:15,440 What we don't understand is why someone would do this. 684 00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:17,780 You're a journalist. 685 00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:18,900 Can you explain? 686 00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,320 I think there's a good story in it. 687 00:39:29,060 --> 00:39:30,100 A good story? 688 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,780 They wanted to either find her or to find something printable about her. 689 00:39:37,340 --> 00:39:39,460 So the phone promised all those things. 690 00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:43,340 But we'd only just lost her, didn't they know it was wrong? 691 00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:47,480 I think they didn't consider that. 692 00:39:48,380 --> 00:39:50,200 And they know it would hurt us. 693 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,720 At that time, Millie was the most famous person in the UK. 694 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,720 And everyone wanted to read about her. 695 00:40:07,340 --> 00:40:09,540 And I'm afraid they needed to sell their newspaper. 696 00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:12,420 And now you're here. 697 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,600 Someone else selling a newspaper? 698 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:17,080 I am. 699 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,400 Yes, but I'm hoping... What we are doing... 700 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,500 will help expose a wrong that was done to your daughter. 701 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,560 However, yes, we are selling newspapers. 702 00:40:35,820 --> 00:40:40,640 And I know that all this will be bringing her back into the spotlight 703 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:42,860 And I know... And that's painful. 704 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:46,160 Just slightly. 705 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,520 Yeah. 706 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,160 But you should do it all the same. 707 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,680 You have our permission, Nick. 708 00:40:56,300 --> 00:40:57,560 If you needed it, that is. 709 00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:02,020 Thank you. 710 00:41:04,300 --> 00:41:07,080 Always can never get used to microphones being poked everywhere. 711 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,820 I'm used to it from Crimewatch. 712 00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:11,118 Of course. 713 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,140 Of course you are. 714 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,760 More used to it than me. 715 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,080 Oh. 716 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,460 Do you want to share the byline with Amelia? 717 00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:24,200 Her source helped confirm it. 718 00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:27,390 Need something clearer. 719 00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:30,190 Is the world targeted? 720 00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:31,649 Illegally targeted. 721 00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:33,090 Good. Illegally targeted. 722 00:41:33,370 --> 00:41:39,850 Missing schoolgirl Millie Dallow and her family in dates interfering with the 723 00:41:39,850 --> 00:41:42,110 police investigation into... No. 724 00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:48,550 Interfering with police inquiries into her disappearance and deleted messages. 725 00:41:48,910 --> 00:41:51,570 Then what the family believed. 726 00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:54,070 She's alive. 727 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,080 The lie of that. 728 00:41:57,340 --> 00:41:59,040 Do we have a thought and a secondary thought? 729 00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:00,500 Yes, we do. 730 00:42:00,620 --> 00:42:03,840 Have we spoken to Scotland Yard? Of course. They've asked for a quote. 731 00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:09,120 This is... quite something. 732 00:42:11,220 --> 00:42:16,000 Channel 4 News can tonight reveal that allegations have been aired that a 733 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,120 Metropolitan Police detective was put under surveillance... by the News of the 734 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,140 World journalists, and his personal details were targeted. 735 00:42:23,380 --> 00:42:28,200 The former Crimewatch presenter and detective, Jackie Haynes, has spoken out 736 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,200 the first time. 737 00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:32,720 So, Jackie, you were approached by Operation Wheating. 738 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,500 What did they show you? 739 00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:42,900 They showed me various sheets of paper, which I was told came from Glenn 740 00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:46,640 Mulcair's diaries and notes, and... 741 00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:52,130 sat there and read the extent to which he had delved into my private life. 742 00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:54,470 And it was quite a body blow. 743 00:42:55,610 --> 00:43:00,490 I want to know who instigated the surveillance and the research that was 744 00:43:00,490 --> 00:43:01,490 us. 745 00:43:01,530 --> 00:43:05,710 I would like to know how they got and who they got that personal information 746 00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:06,870 from about us. 747 00:43:08,410 --> 00:43:12,710 I would like to know what the purpose of it was from them. 748 00:43:13,110 --> 00:43:15,650 Do you think there was an attempt here to... 749 00:43:16,060 --> 00:43:22,080 interfere with your ex -husband's criminal investigation and if so what 750 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:28,860 evidence for that it's very difficult when you look at the um the order in 751 00:43:28,860 --> 00:43:35,060 things happen the chronology of it not to at least want to shine a light on it 752 00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:38,780 and say you know how is it that the day after that appeal went out on crime 753 00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:40,940 watch that this started to happen 754 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,940 And it's very difficult not to come to that conclusion that they were somehow 755 00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:48,840 complicit in all of this, or someone within the organisation was. 756 00:43:49,140 --> 00:43:50,400 Complicit in what exactly? 757 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,620 In trying to discredit David or myself. 758 00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,020 Of course they didn't print it. 759 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,520 And so, it finally begins. 760 00:45:24,750 --> 00:45:28,190 More revelations. The pressure on the news of the world grows with another day 761 00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:30,170 of dramatic development. Shocking stories. 762 00:45:30,430 --> 00:45:34,590 It is alleged that Glenn Mulcair hacked into the mobile phone of the murdered 763 00:45:34,590 --> 00:45:38,550 schoolgirl Millie Dowler. Well, this poor girl's dead and they're trying to 764 00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:41,950 stories. There is a new allegation that the tabloid may have hacked into the 765 00:45:41,950 --> 00:45:44,450 phones of the relatives of soldiers killed in Iraq. 766 00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:49,090 If these actions are proved to have been verified, I'm appalled. 767 00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:50,520 I find it quite disgusting. 768 00:45:50,860 --> 00:45:54,880 Tonight, Chief Executive Rebecca Brooks says we're told that she's shocked and 769 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,600 that she knew nothing about it. Today is the anniversary of 7 -7. 770 00:45:58,820 --> 00:46:02,440 Relatives of victims of the London bombings may also have had their phones 771 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:03,440 hacked into. 772 00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,400 Somebody was listening to that. It's a violation, isn't it? An extraordinary 773 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,980 moment in British journalism. 774 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:10,860 The news of the world is to close. 775 00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,560 What happened happened very, very quickly. It's like a bomb hit the place. 776 00:46:14,860 --> 00:46:18,220 Those decent people up there are being thrown out of a job today. The sense 777 00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:22,140 everyone gets is that Rupert Murdoch is getting rid of the news of the world in 778 00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:27,640 order to protect taking over BSkyB. I'm interested in those who were responsible 779 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,260 for being brought to justice. Scotland Yard confirmed today that it had 780 00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:35,340 documents suggesting a number of its officers were given inappropriate 781 00:46:35,340 --> 00:46:36,440 by News International. 782 00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:41,120 Being briefed for information is a criminal offence. It's corrupt. 783 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:42,538 It's bribery. 784 00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:46,780 David Cameron's former head of communications is arrested over 785 00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:47,779 phone hacking. 786 00:46:47,780 --> 00:46:51,620 The decision to hire him was mine, and I take full responsibility for it. 787 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,280 There's an awful lot I'd like to say, but I can't. The pressure is mounting on 788 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,158 Rebecca Brooks. 789 00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:00,060 Both her and James Murdoch should be leaving their deaths. 790 00:47:00,340 --> 00:47:04,040 The Prime Minister has announced details of the independent public inquiry led 791 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:08,380 by Lord Justice Levitin. We'll have the power to summon and question newspaper 792 00:47:08,380 --> 00:47:10,960 proprietors, journalists, police and politicians. 793 00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:30,070 It is with great regret. 794 00:47:30,810 --> 00:47:31,870 Did I make this decision? 795 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:36,990 The mighty Murdoch empire has suffered its most humiliating blow yet, as it 796 00:47:36,990 --> 00:47:40,130 suddenly dropped its bid to take control of B -Sky B. 797 00:47:40,430 --> 00:47:45,270 Murdoch has abandoned his bid for B -Sky B, but will he face wider consequences 798 00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:47,530 in relation to the phone hacking scandal? 799 00:47:47,810 --> 00:47:49,190 What will come next? 800 00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:05,560 And I heard as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, 801 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,520 Come and see. 802 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:15,400 And I saw, and behold, a white horse. 61787

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