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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,839 --> 00:00:20,960 Previously on The Hack. Think who edited the paper. Think about where he sits 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,820 now. I mean, I know Andy Coulson. Him, sitting next to the Prime Minister. 3 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,500 That's wrong in every way. The police have Mulcair's notebooks. If we can get 4 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:31,780 them into the public eye, we'll see who hired who, how high this goes, who was 5 00:00:31,780 --> 00:00:32,459 being hacked. 6 00:00:32,460 --> 00:00:33,680 Just be safe with yourself. 7 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:35,240 Just be safe. 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:36,800 It's the Daniel Morgan case. 9 00:00:37,180 --> 00:00:39,000 We've had some witnesses finally come forward. 10 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,540 You cannot be taking phone calls from a protected witness. 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,240 From today, you will have no further contact with Gary Eden whatsoever. 12 00:00:47,780 --> 00:00:50,720 Max, we've got them on the rack. You settle, the whole thing gets covered up 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,140 again. You've got them on the rack? With what? The Murdochs agreed to pay 14 00:00:54,140 --> 00:00:55,660 Clifford more than a million pounds. 15 00:00:55,980 --> 00:00:57,300 Our biggest gun was spiked. 16 00:00:59,780 --> 00:01:04,300 Our liberal conservative government will take Britain in a historic new 17 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:08,980 direction. A direction of hope and unity, conviction and common purpose. 18 00:01:09,900 --> 00:01:14,500 I'm delighted to be standing here with the new Deputy Prime Minister, and I 19 00:01:14,500 --> 00:01:20,520 would like now to invite him to speak to us on what I think is a remarkable and 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,160 very welcome day. 21 00:01:22,420 --> 00:01:27,860 Thank you, David. We've just been through an election campaign, and now we 22 00:01:27,860 --> 00:01:28,860 a coalition. 23 00:01:28,900 --> 00:01:32,280 Until today, we were rivals, and now we're colleagues. 24 00:01:32,540 --> 00:01:33,540 It's unusual. 25 00:01:34,340 --> 00:01:35,400 It'll cost you. 26 00:01:36,090 --> 00:01:39,430 All that work given to someone else to buy life. I'm finding it a little bit 27 00:01:39,430 --> 00:01:40,430 hard to get my head around. 28 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:42,350 Look. 29 00:01:43,010 --> 00:01:46,610 BBC are playing it on repeat. I've watched it 15 times. It was sickening 30 00:01:46,610 --> 00:01:47,568 first time. 31 00:01:47,570 --> 00:01:51,730 Andy Coulson now sits at the right -hand side of God as a direct link between 32 00:01:51,730 --> 00:01:56,490 Number 10 and Murdoch. I don't like that whisper chat. We need our... Our own 33 00:01:56,490 --> 00:01:57,970 coalition. We need allies. 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,140 We have allies. I'm assembling a huge team of lawyers. People are working 35 00:02:02,140 --> 00:02:03,980 together. We need allies in the press. 36 00:02:04,260 --> 00:02:05,940 Yeah, I think I've tried. Nobody will touch it. 37 00:02:06,900 --> 00:02:07,900 Thank you. 38 00:02:09,539 --> 00:02:14,920 Well, they weren't on Fleet Street, but I've always thought a lot of Glen 39 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:18,980 Campbell. I think Panorama will bite. No, no, no. The BBC won't risk a battle 40 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:23,000 with Murdoch. Well, then there's Dispatches, maybe, and internationally, 41 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,000 Keller. 42 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:27,470 You can't think the New York Times would want to be involved. Murdoch's hold on 43 00:02:27,470 --> 00:02:32,470 the Wall Street Journal is galling to Bill. I think he could... Well, I've got 44 00:02:32,470 --> 00:02:37,150 resources, of course, but... Ah, then they won't share back. 45 00:02:37,470 --> 00:02:39,330 TV acts, mate, the New York Times. 46 00:02:39,730 --> 00:02:41,390 This will always be your story, Nick. 47 00:02:42,650 --> 00:02:43,830 No, it's bigger than that. 48 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:45,950 Me. 49 00:02:48,970 --> 00:02:52,190 Oh, I can't make friends at school. Why not a pen pal? I get it. 50 00:02:52,430 --> 00:02:53,430 Yeah. 51 00:02:56,140 --> 00:02:59,160 Yeah, I get it. It's a good idea. It's a necessary idea. 52 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,000 Good. 53 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:09,620 So, Nick Davis and the Guardian are losing the exclusive but winning the 54 00:03:11,060 --> 00:03:12,220 Steve? Yeah. 55 00:03:35,500 --> 00:03:40,560 I'm aware that it has taken a few years to get to this point, and many of us are 56 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,720 eager to draw these pre -trial hearings to a close. 57 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,160 But I'm afraid a new matter has arisen that requires our attention. 58 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,960 Last night, an application was made by the counsel for the defendants as 59 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,240 a possible irregularity in the conduct of this investigation in relation to the 60 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,440 prosecution witness, Mr. Gary Eaton. 61 00:04:02,830 --> 00:04:07,530 In order to resolve this, it is my view that we must spend some time hearing 62 00:04:07,530 --> 00:04:14,490 evidence directly from DCS David Cook and the officers in his team, which will 63 00:04:14,490 --> 00:04:16,190 begin on Monday. 64 00:04:21,230 --> 00:04:23,250 These rules are ridiculous. 65 00:04:23,610 --> 00:04:26,990 They are tight on this one. No conferring Macaulay. May not work with 66 00:04:26,990 --> 00:04:29,310 officers day in, day out. They don't want you to prepare. 67 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:32,790 basically. It's known as an ambush defense. And they want me to tell them 68 00:04:32,790 --> 00:04:33,790 everything about Gary Eaton? 69 00:04:34,210 --> 00:04:38,550 Well, the suspects are sitting right there. If the judge does decide to lose 70 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:42,170 Gary Eaton's evidence, it would be a significant setback. 71 00:04:42,450 --> 00:04:44,810 Oh, losing Gary Eaton would be a fucking disaster. 72 00:04:47,030 --> 00:04:49,410 So, we do what the judge tells us to. 73 00:04:49,830 --> 00:04:51,550 All you have to do is answer the questions. 74 00:04:51,870 --> 00:04:52,870 Dave will be fine. 75 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:54,930 He's good in the spotlight. 76 00:04:55,450 --> 00:04:58,630 And while you sit in the spotlight, boy scout behavior. 77 00:04:59,270 --> 00:05:00,270 Day in, day out. 78 00:05:00,630 --> 00:05:04,110 Agreed? The defense could put you under surveillance. They could track your car, 79 00:05:04,170 --> 00:05:06,590 your phone. They'd love nothing more than to catch you out. 80 00:05:09,230 --> 00:05:13,590 These men have been under arrest for over a year. This is a fucking farce. 81 00:05:13,590 --> 00:05:15,570 Nothing to do with truth. Nothing to do with justice. 82 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:20,050 Do the best we can within the system we've got. 83 00:05:30,570 --> 00:05:33,310 What do you call three Pulitzer Prize winners sitting in a row? 84 00:05:33,690 --> 00:05:36,830 A murder, an ambush, an armada? 85 00:05:37,110 --> 00:05:38,990 Do you really call them help? 86 00:05:40,550 --> 00:05:42,550 This is quite something. 87 00:05:42,850 --> 00:05:45,330 It's remarkable journalism, Nick. Thank you. 88 00:05:45,730 --> 00:05:47,130 Any sense they're doing it in America, too? 89 00:05:47,810 --> 00:05:52,030 A few suspected names, nothing firm. It's all in there. 90 00:05:52,570 --> 00:05:54,930 You have no one on record from News of the World? 91 00:05:55,230 --> 00:05:57,410 No. But plenty off the record. 92 00:05:58,110 --> 00:05:59,110 Am I right? 93 00:05:59,450 --> 00:06:01,330 She's trying to get you to reveal who your Mr. Epomo is. 94 00:06:02,110 --> 00:06:04,390 Oh, I see. You think he's a news international insider. 95 00:06:04,610 --> 00:06:05,610 Interesting. 96 00:06:05,930 --> 00:06:10,090 Um, but no, not sharing. And frankly, even if I wanted to, he's disappeared. 97 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:13,250 Do you have an angle, though? 98 00:06:14,570 --> 00:06:15,570 Your paper? 99 00:06:15,790 --> 00:06:20,050 You know, Bill's instincts were royal family, Murdoch's, press intrusion. In 100 00:06:20,050 --> 00:06:20,589 that order? 101 00:06:20,590 --> 00:06:21,730 We'll find our way. 102 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,800 It's important no one can say that we colluded with you or were baby fed just 103 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,400 stand your story up. You're not here to stand my story up. I wasn't saying that. 104 00:06:29,540 --> 00:06:34,100 The idea is we further each other's stories. Anything new we get, we know 105 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:35,100 the keeper of the flame. 106 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,400 We'll bring you in. 107 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,300 I'd say likewise. I've given you all I have. 108 00:07:05,070 --> 00:07:06,110 I don't know when this started either. 109 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:26,870 You might get a call from the New York Times in the next two days. New York 110 00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:27,910 Times? Fancy. 111 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:29,410 They're getting involved. 112 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:30,510 We're giving them what we have. 113 00:07:32,250 --> 00:07:33,690 Two newspapers are better than one. 114 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,700 You know, Nick, when I look at the kids who come around for playdates, I 115 00:07:37,700 --> 00:07:42,780 instinctively know who are good at sharing and who aren't. And you... Alan 116 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:45,480 thinks it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. You weren't very good at 117 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,379 sharing at all. 118 00:07:46,380 --> 00:07:47,660 Why? I'm not done. 119 00:07:49,060 --> 00:07:50,060 They'll do their thing. 120 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,700 It actually makes it easier to pursue. 121 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:59,060 I was actually quite good at football as a kid, so that's what I would have done 122 00:07:59,060 --> 00:08:01,560 at your playdate. I'd have found a ball and kicked it. I didn't care about toys. 123 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Anyway, I have an idea. 124 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,760 So Harry Evans wrote in his memoir about a plane crash. 125 00:08:06,980 --> 00:08:07,980 I don't know Harry Evans. 126 00:08:09,420 --> 00:08:11,640 Editor of the Sunday Times from 1967 to 81. 127 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,039 Newspaper legend. 128 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Doesn't that mean he worked for Murdoch? 129 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,579 Oh, they didn't get on. 130 00:08:15,580 --> 00:08:16,580 Murdoch fired him? 131 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:19,460 Eventually. Actually, first he promoted him, gave him editorship of the Times, 132 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:21,040 but that's not... And he's the hero in this story. 133 00:08:21,260 --> 00:08:23,440 I haven't told him the story. Well, your eyes imply he's the hero. 134 00:08:23,660 --> 00:08:27,920 So DC -10 in Paris, passenger jet. There was clearly a problem with the 135 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,080 manufacture of the plane, but Harry couldn't print. 136 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:31,139 Without evidence. 137 00:08:31,140 --> 00:08:35,720 Exactly. So Harry got his reporters to intervene, linked the bereaved families 138 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,179 with highly effective lawyers in the US because US courts were more likely to 139 00:08:40,179 --> 00:08:42,900 order McDonnell Douglas to disclose internal paperwork. 140 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,000 My plan is to do the same. Haven't we already tried that with Max Clifford? 141 00:08:47,020 --> 00:08:51,960 no. Then you involve me, in your case, very kindly. Now I'm going to recruit 142 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:52,960 you. 143 00:08:53,300 --> 00:08:58,760 So they bribed Max. They won't be able to stop an... army of people. If I can 144 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,560 get a list of the half, encourage them to come forward, we can flood the 145 00:09:06,460 --> 00:09:08,360 I can't see you as a footballer. 146 00:09:08,620 --> 00:09:13,440 Look, Andy Coulson created a culture of the news of the world. To prove he did 147 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,200 so, we need to get as many of his top journalists implicated as possible. 148 00:09:16,460 --> 00:09:20,680 Marquez notes had Clive Goodman's name written at the top court record. 149 00:09:21,180 --> 00:09:23,580 So we can find the other editors who commissioned him. 150 00:09:25,380 --> 00:09:26,269 Come on. 151 00:09:26,270 --> 00:09:27,590 Time to get nuclear, don't you think? 152 00:09:29,550 --> 00:09:34,650 The inevitable dig followed. I had to identify, with the help of my furry 153 00:09:34,650 --> 00:09:38,970 friend, every celebrity politician and sports star they'd gone after. High 154 00:09:38,970 --> 00:09:42,150 ranking, the low ranking, the illustrious, the audacious. 155 00:09:42,590 --> 00:09:47,910 And then I had to persuade those people, fight like MP Tessa Jowell. 156 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,440 Yes, I have been spoken to by the police. 157 00:09:50,660 --> 00:09:54,140 All the dirt they had on your ex -husband came from hacking. And ruined 158 00:09:54,140 --> 00:09:55,540 marriage, I am aware. 159 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,400 I'd like to publish an article about your experiences, and I'd like you to 160 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,500 consider pursuing it further in court. I have good lawyer recommendations. 161 00:10:02,860 --> 00:10:04,120 But that would mean stirring it up. 162 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:05,500 We've struggled enough. 163 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,680 Please, leave it alone. 164 00:10:08,340 --> 00:10:12,340 I had proof that Charles Clark had been hacked. I told a friend who knew him to 165 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:15,260 tell him. My friend said, He's not willing to engage. 166 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,220 With Charlotte's help, I identified a dozen law firms who specialised in 167 00:10:19,220 --> 00:10:20,220 representing celebrities. 168 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:21,560 I contacted all of them. 169 00:10:22,060 --> 00:10:23,620 I wish I could tell you their names. 170 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:24,920 I'm getting nothing. 171 00:10:25,260 --> 00:10:26,840 Nothing? They're busy. 172 00:10:27,220 --> 00:10:31,760 They're worried about reviving an embarrassing story. They can't afford 173 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,160 mostly... Mostly, they're frightened. 174 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,280 I've heard rumours about Nicole Kidman. 175 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,160 Hello, Charlotte. 176 00:10:41,380 --> 00:10:42,339 Nice to meet you. 177 00:10:42,340 --> 00:10:44,280 A charming lawyer. How nice. 178 00:10:45,820 --> 00:10:47,740 Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly. 179 00:10:49,060 --> 00:10:50,920 Have you met John Kelly? 180 00:10:51,220 --> 00:10:57,500 No. She wasn't warned by the police, and no, she won't be meeting with you or 181 00:10:57,500 --> 00:10:58,720 any other journalist. 182 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,380 Mr. Kelly, this is worth pursuing. 183 00:11:00,820 --> 00:11:03,740 For Nicole, for all your clients. It's still a no, I'm afraid. 184 00:11:04,460 --> 00:11:05,460 A hard no. 185 00:11:06,060 --> 00:11:07,660 Her trustees say no. 186 00:11:07,940 --> 00:11:11,240 Mark Thompson came about because two of his clients, one of whom was Big 187 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,520 Brother's Jade Goody, had been hacked. Jade had died of cancer. 188 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,700 They're not interested in pursuing a case. 189 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,760 Perhaps I could talk to them. Because you're more persuasive than me. 190 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:21,640 I get it. You're desperate. 191 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,180 There is another... someone. I can't give you her name. 192 00:11:28,420 --> 00:11:29,700 We call her AZP. 193 00:11:30,180 --> 00:11:31,200 She's very angry. 194 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:34,740 They've ruined her life. She's leaning into all this. 195 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,300 I don't... Yeah, of course you fucking would. 196 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,500 And if she's brave enough to talk more, then you'll hear more. But until then... 197 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:42,600 I'm just also scared. 198 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:44,640 They are profoundly scared. 199 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,180 Mr. Cook, do you accept that a number of rules were broken with regard to Gary 200 00:11:58,180 --> 00:11:59,180 Eaton? 201 00:11:59,420 --> 00:12:04,700 I do. And the issue for the judge to decide on is the spirit in which these 202 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:09,240 rules were broken. Were they broken in bad faith or was it done transparently 203 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,020 and in the interests of justice? 204 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,360 Those are the two sides that we are litigating at the moment. Do you 205 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:16,460 that? Yes, I do. 206 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,760 Let us begin with your initial meeting with Mr Eaton. 207 00:12:23,340 --> 00:12:27,340 It's been suggested that you led the witness during this conversation. 208 00:12:27,660 --> 00:12:31,220 I think it's important for me to say that I never wanted to meet with Mr 209 00:12:31,220 --> 00:12:32,220 in the first place. 210 00:12:33,140 --> 00:12:36,200 He insisted he would only speak with me, so I went along. 211 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,280 And the job is to find out if he was valid. 212 00:12:39,870 --> 00:12:42,350 And to do that, you have to ask some probing questions. 213 00:12:43,770 --> 00:12:46,350 Give me the name of the brothers. 214 00:12:47,550 --> 00:12:51,150 That's hardly a probing question, is it, Mr Cook? 215 00:12:51,850 --> 00:12:56,470 He wasn't interested in any brothers at all, was he? You gave him the brothers. 216 00:12:57,410 --> 00:13:00,990 I gave him the brothers. I did not give him the name of the brothers. You were 217 00:13:00,990 --> 00:13:06,350 aware at that first meeting of how important it was to preserve the 218 00:13:06,350 --> 00:13:07,269 the process? 219 00:13:07,270 --> 00:13:09,330 And that's what I thought we were doing. It was all recorded. 220 00:13:09,870 --> 00:13:14,130 And we all have the transcripts here before us, but that wasn't my question. 221 00:13:15,710 --> 00:13:17,230 It was a simple question. 222 00:13:20,230 --> 00:13:21,230 Let's try another. 223 00:13:21,430 --> 00:13:26,050 Do you accept that by having direct phone conversations with a witness, you 224 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:28,110 breaching the sterile corridor system? 225 00:13:29,150 --> 00:13:31,070 Yes, I do, but I would say... 226 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,500 that this was a particularly difficult set of circumstances. 227 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,200 It wasn't difficult at all. All you had to do was say to this man, I'm sorry, 228 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:42,580 the rules are I'm not allowed to have direct contact with you. You have your 229 00:13:42,580 --> 00:13:46,080 witness protection handler. They can sort out any problems you may have, but 230 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,620 from now on, you must not ring me, and if you do, my phone will bar you. And 231 00:13:50,620 --> 00:13:52,180 that is what I did on several occasions. 232 00:13:52,500 --> 00:13:55,000 Did you ever bar Gary Eaton from calling your phone? 233 00:13:59,020 --> 00:14:01,000 It's not always possible in every type of form. 234 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:07,960 Are you saying that it's not possible from a metropolitan police phone? 235 00:14:10,740 --> 00:14:12,840 It's a terribly simple question. 236 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,500 He changed his number. I didn't know his number. 237 00:14:20,500 --> 00:14:23,540 I'd like to turn now to the issue of your note -taking. 238 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,520 My Lord, between August the 23rd and... 239 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:33,160 The 16th of September 2006, not one of Mr. Cook's numerous telephone calls to 240 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,860 Eton appears on the schedule. 241 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:41,100 Mr. Cook, do you mind telling us how it is that between the 23rd of August and 242 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:45,380 the 16th of September, you managed to make so many calls without recording any 243 00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:46,380 of them? 244 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,420 From memory, the vast majority, if not all. 245 00:14:50,250 --> 00:14:54,250 What to do with Mr. Eaton's welfare, his domestics, stuff like that, nuisance 246 00:14:54,250 --> 00:14:58,810 stuff. But you accept, do you not, that the court has no way of knowing what was 247 00:14:58,810 --> 00:14:59,870 said during these calls? 248 00:15:01,150 --> 00:15:04,850 I accept that, my lord. Do you mind if I sit down? I suffer from vertigo. 249 00:15:05,850 --> 00:15:06,850 Please. 250 00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:12,970 Let us look at tab number nine. We can see top line. 251 00:15:13,850 --> 00:15:18,190 But the debrief begins on the 1st of August. We can see that it's followed 252 00:15:18,190 --> 00:15:21,310 next day by a call which is 15 minutes long. 253 00:15:22,050 --> 00:15:27,610 That one is logged. Then on the 28th of August, there's a nine -minute call 254 00:15:27,610 --> 00:15:32,430 which is not logged. Then on the 1st of September, Eaton suddenly changes his 255 00:15:32,430 --> 00:15:37,190 story. He says for the first time that he was at the scene of the murder. 256 00:15:37,730 --> 00:15:38,730 What are you suggesting? 257 00:15:38,750 --> 00:15:42,750 I'm suggesting that that may not be a coincidence, Mr. Cook. 258 00:15:43,290 --> 00:15:46,830 I suppose you're going to deny it and say that it is just a coincidence? 259 00:15:47,070 --> 00:15:51,830 You're going to deny that during these unlogged calls, you were feeding Mr. 260 00:15:51,950 --> 00:15:52,950 Eaton his story? 261 00:15:53,350 --> 00:15:57,710 Why would I do not? This case has been causing the Metropolitan Police untold 262 00:15:57,710 --> 00:15:59,370 embarrassment for over two decades. 263 00:15:59,770 --> 00:16:01,450 You were desperate to nail someone. 264 00:16:01,690 --> 00:16:02,690 Of course. 265 00:16:02,780 --> 00:16:06,420 If you think you have somebody who may be an eyewitness, you embrace them with 266 00:16:06,420 --> 00:16:11,580 both arms. But you allowed this dishonest, mentally ill man to run riot 267 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:15,640 your investigation. Not only that, but you manipulated him because he was 268 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,660 manipulable and because he was your one way of bringing this case back to life 269 00:16:20,660 --> 00:16:23,900 and ending your career with a real coup. 270 00:16:24,180 --> 00:16:27,440 Isn't that what has gone on here, Mr. Cook? 271 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,760 You could not be farther from the truth, sir. 272 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:06,720 If you haven't changed your ways, no chance. 273 00:17:07,619 --> 00:17:08,619 Thanks. 274 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:13,099 Can you still win? Now that we lost Gary Eaton, the entire case. 275 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,000 Rather than to win it. 276 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,060 Lindsay Wright, Jimmy Cook's ex -girlfriend, who was basically a fucking 277 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:20,060 nightmare. 278 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:26,339 And James Ward, our original supergraph, was a rat to get better. 279 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,000 Nine days they kept me in that bed. 280 00:17:31,260 --> 00:17:33,740 And day one, I really thought I could win. 281 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,000 Hope. 282 00:17:36,500 --> 00:17:37,560 Yeah, I remember hope. 283 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:40,980 I'm sorry they did that to you. 284 00:17:42,420 --> 00:17:43,460 You didn't deserve it. 285 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:44,760 Yeah, maybe I did. 286 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:48,840 It's all about you. 287 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:51,880 Can you, um, win? 288 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:59,020 Journalism isn't about winning or losing. It's about the gradual erosion 289 00:17:59,020 --> 00:18:00,020 -worth. 290 00:18:01,540 --> 00:18:05,140 Alan's given the story to Panorama and the New York Times, and he's probably 291 00:18:05,140 --> 00:18:09,920 right, because I can't get anyone to go to court, which means we can't... I 292 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:15,060 thought I had a way to get to Mulcair's notes. I thought I was finally getting 293 00:18:15,060 --> 00:18:17,880 somewhere, but like everything, I tried. 294 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,620 What about Jonathan Rees? 295 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:24,680 Surely he's just as bad as Mulcair. 296 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:26,580 He's on trial, if you haven't noticed. 297 00:18:27,140 --> 00:18:28,940 We raided his house a few years ago. 298 00:18:30,060 --> 00:18:31,840 We found invoices on his desk. 299 00:18:32,180 --> 00:18:36,280 Rees to Alex Marinchuk for the News of the World. Now, Rees went to prison for 300 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:41,240 conspiring to prefer the course of justice, came out, and went right back 301 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,600 the Employee News of the World while Andy Coulson was the editor. 302 00:18:46,140 --> 00:18:47,140 Andy Coulson? 303 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,260 News of the World employed a convicted criminal? 304 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,480 Now, this fell into your lap, OK? 305 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,180 You can't quote me. 306 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,220 You can't name Rees. 307 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,260 But you can use this to nail them. 308 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,660 This could get you in serious trouble. 309 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,140 I'm already in serious trouble. 310 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,520 So you're calling Jonathan Rees Mr. 311 00:19:19,780 --> 00:19:22,200 Ray? I think it's my best pseudonym yet. 312 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,160 Can't name him till after the Morgan trial. 313 00:19:25,630 --> 00:19:29,150 It's very tenuous legally even to hide him under a pseudonym. His lawyers can 314 00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:30,150 claim contempt of court. 315 00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:32,170 Coulson being in government is a contempt. 316 00:19:32,770 --> 00:19:37,330 It's a good story. Does it stand out? My source is solid. Jonathan Rees was in 317 00:19:37,330 --> 00:19:40,030 prison for conspiring to pervert the course of justice. 318 00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:45,770 And the news of the world rehired him. R3 was released from prison while 319 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:46,770 was editor. 320 00:19:47,250 --> 00:19:48,250 Feels a good one. 321 00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:50,010 We'll need to give Coulson a right of reply. 322 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:54,930 This is the most archaic practice, giving people quotes in articles against 323 00:19:54,930 --> 00:19:59,230 them. It's just free advertising space for their lies. I think it's necessary. 324 00:19:59,570 --> 00:20:02,630 If we publish his right of reply, we'll be misleading our readers. 325 00:20:02,890 --> 00:20:05,730 Whatever the fight, I think it's better to stick to established journalist 326 00:20:05,730 --> 00:20:08,450 practice, don't you? What would you know about journalism? You're a lawyer. 327 00:20:08,590 --> 00:20:10,890 Nick, could you maybe talk to her with a bit more respect? 328 00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:12,910 Oh, fuck off. With respect. Nick. 329 00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:17,390 Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Rufus. Sorry, Jill. I know how vital you are to 330 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:19,550 this. Just busy time, busy head. 331 00:20:21,250 --> 00:20:23,030 I'll alert some people. 332 00:20:23,410 --> 00:20:24,650 Go back stairs. 333 00:20:24,970 --> 00:20:26,310 I know this will spread. 334 00:20:27,090 --> 00:20:29,670 The other newspapers, they can't ignore this. They'd have to. 335 00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:35,630 Jill? If he gets the quote from Corden, I think we can argue public interest. 336 00:20:35,950 --> 00:20:36,809 I agree. 337 00:20:36,810 --> 00:20:37,629 Thank you. 338 00:20:37,630 --> 00:20:38,630 This is good. 339 00:20:42,390 --> 00:20:45,390 Whoever your source is, this is good. 340 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,220 Would it surprise you to know it didn't spread? 341 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,580 All the other newspapers ignored the Mr. A story. 342 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,440 We'll get them next time. 343 00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:31,400 The trouble with next time... The trouble with... You'll 344 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:32,400 get them next time. 345 00:21:32,580 --> 00:21:33,940 I don't have a next time. 346 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,740 You stupid child. 347 00:21:36,420 --> 00:21:39,360 Nicholas, Nicholas, don't be dramatic, Nicholas. 348 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,080 Now, let's get a washcloth for that blood, shall we? 349 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,120 I don't have it next to me. 350 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:55,680 Hi, Nick David. 351 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,700 Nick, it's Jo Becker, New York Times. 352 00:21:59,140 --> 00:22:00,600 Oh, yeah, hi. 353 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:02,720 Is now not a good time? 354 00:22:03,150 --> 00:22:04,150 No, it's fine. 355 00:22:04,290 --> 00:22:05,290 How can I help? 356 00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:06,510 We're going to publish. 357 00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:08,430 Great. What? 358 00:22:09,070 --> 00:22:11,130 Sean Hoare is going on the record. 359 00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:12,510 He's a genuine insider. 360 00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:14,790 Oh, more than that, he's Coulson's friend. 361 00:22:15,010 --> 00:22:18,570 They worked the Celebrity Bazaar column that Coulson made his name on. 362 00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:19,769 What did he say? 363 00:22:19,770 --> 00:22:22,350 Well, he talked about Coulson a lot. 364 00:22:22,690 --> 00:22:24,450 I had a good relationship with him, as it goes. 365 00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:28,810 Yeah, I could do what the fuck I wanted. It's nice. I came in with a good story. 366 00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:32,670 The brief was... 367 00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:37,150 I don't give a fuck. 368 00:22:37,410 --> 00:22:40,090 The news of the world meeting is more fun than Guardian, wasn't it? 369 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:41,430 You're not wrong. 370 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:43,570 But I asked him. 371 00:22:43,870 --> 00:22:46,130 Did he know what's going on, Coulson? 372 00:22:46,690 --> 00:22:48,610 New York Times over here on this side. 373 00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:50,570 Yeah. Oh. 374 00:22:51,770 --> 00:22:55,510 Why? We want to investigate whether an ethical line has been crossed. 375 00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:57,590 At least I'm a Guardian. 376 00:22:58,310 --> 00:23:00,070 You don't think the Guardian are valid? 377 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,020 I think the Guardian are being beautiful beings gazing down from their mighty 378 00:23:04,020 --> 00:23:05,840 high horses of pious fucks. 379 00:23:06,540 --> 00:23:11,880 You know, but the thing about you, you see, is that you're... You're foreign. 380 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:13,800 So I like you. 381 00:23:19,540 --> 00:23:25,480 I personally played voicemail recordings to the bastard when we worked together 382 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,320 at the Sun and the Screws. 383 00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:29,000 You played recording? 384 00:23:29,530 --> 00:23:30,530 It's cool. 385 00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:34,310 Sean, is that on the record? 386 00:23:48,530 --> 00:23:50,150 I want a New York Mets top. 387 00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:51,710 I'm sorry? 388 00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:55,030 I want a New York Mets top, and then it's on the record. 389 00:23:56,970 --> 00:23:57,970 Okay. 390 00:24:01,879 --> 00:24:02,879 Sure. Great. 391 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:09,360 So I want to say we go completely crazy and have another orange juice. 392 00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:11,980 Thank you. 393 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,540 This is very good. 394 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,320 I don't think they made clear the link with Coulson. 395 00:24:27,969 --> 00:24:32,070 It's good journalism, but it's not... I love an intimate party, Nick, but it is 396 00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:35,710 nice, don't you think, to have at least some other people who want to be there? 397 00:24:36,430 --> 00:24:37,930 This is the New York Times. 398 00:24:38,250 --> 00:24:40,310 It's going to be a lot harder to fight as both. 399 00:24:41,290 --> 00:24:42,290 This matters. 400 00:24:46,930 --> 00:24:48,790 It was an extremely good piece. 401 00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:53,390 The way... It was extremely good. And what happened next? 402 00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:57,170 Alan was right. It made everybody braver. 403 00:24:58,010 --> 00:25:00,950 Celebrities began to look up. For instance, Charlotte Harris began to get 404 00:25:00,950 --> 00:25:05,090 somewhere with a client, football agent Sky Andrews. They offered him £200 ,000 405 00:25:05,090 --> 00:25:09,450 a year and £1 .2 million in free advertising for a charity if he dropped 406 00:25:09,450 --> 00:25:11,110 case. And? He said no. 407 00:25:11,770 --> 00:25:13,010 People were willing to fight. 408 00:25:13,270 --> 00:25:14,590 Most unusual people. 409 00:25:15,490 --> 00:25:18,950 Hi, Nick Davis. Max Mosley. I'm a fan of your work. 410 00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:21,710 Then Max Mosley did something extraordinary. 411 00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:25,370 To be clear, we didn't meet at the Guardian, but this setting will do. 412 00:25:25,790 --> 00:25:30,030 I'd like to back, financially, anyone wishing to bring a case against the news 413 00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:31,030 of the world. 414 00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:33,630 Indemnify them against costs and damages. 415 00:25:33,970 --> 00:25:35,170 Max, that could be millions. 416 00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:38,330 I'm guessing you saw it. 417 00:25:39,170 --> 00:25:42,410 Nazi sex orgy photos of me. 418 00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:47,230 It was not Nazi. It was consenting, but they didn't care. 419 00:25:48,610 --> 00:25:50,750 I sued. I got a small reward. 420 00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:51,950 I survived. 421 00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:54,190 My son. 422 00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:56,470 Didn't. 423 00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:00,970 Heroin overdose one year after the story was published. 424 00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:04,490 I'm sorry? 425 00:26:05,610 --> 00:26:09,390 They can attack us when our children are damaged. 426 00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:14,830 But are you sure that this is what you want to spend your fortune on? 427 00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:18,830 You underestimate my fortune, Mr. Davis. 428 00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:21,230 And my anger. 429 00:26:22,590 --> 00:26:24,110 The world started. 430 00:26:24,730 --> 00:26:25,730 unfurled before us. 431 00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:28,250 The strategy started to work. 432 00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:33,490 Allies were, well, not exactly everywhere, but gathering. 433 00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:36,530 And then the game changed. 434 00:26:36,750 --> 00:26:40,390 Mark Thompson got in touch. His client, AZP. Do you remember AZP? Well, 435 00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:44,770 apparently she loved the New York Times piece and the Mr. A story, and she 436 00:26:44,770 --> 00:26:45,649 wanted to meet. 437 00:26:45,650 --> 00:26:50,830 Oh, and AZP, she is... Deanna Miller, meet Nick Davis. 438 00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:52,190 Pleasure to meet you. 439 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:53,730 Yes, actor. 440 00:26:54,410 --> 00:26:55,410 Tabloid magnet. 441 00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:56,730 R .A.'s card. 442 00:26:57,690 --> 00:26:58,950 He knows it's coming. 443 00:26:59,590 --> 00:27:01,550 Everyone's been whispering to her to stop. 444 00:27:01,870 --> 00:27:02,870 All of Hollywood. 445 00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:05,490 Some roles are being withdrawn. 446 00:27:06,450 --> 00:27:09,130 Others are being promised if she just lets it go. 447 00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:11,470 You've decided to keep fighting? 448 00:27:12,010 --> 00:27:17,430 They've also said they've told me that there is more muck on me they'd use, 449 00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:22,410 which is, I mean, probably true, but I mean, how can they print anything worse? 450 00:27:22,910 --> 00:27:24,170 All the papers are after her. 451 00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:28,890 You know, Sienna, can I ask what happened? 452 00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:33,770 I can't go into the details. 453 00:27:34,150 --> 00:27:38,530 And I really don't want to pry, but what were they digging for? 454 00:27:39,850 --> 00:27:45,630 Um... Seemingly, anything 455 00:27:45,630 --> 00:27:48,770 about me is interesting. 456 00:27:49,030 --> 00:27:51,230 The restaurants I go to... 457 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,380 what I wear, people I meet. 458 00:27:55,080 --> 00:28:01,500 But it seems their attention was particularly grabbed by... 459 00:28:01,500 --> 00:28:05,880 I got pregnant 460 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:12,040 and I had a decision to 461 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,300 make. You understand? 462 00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:20,120 And at that time when you're... 463 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,140 When you're dealing with that, you need people that you can trust. And I didn't 464 00:28:25,140 --> 00:28:26,140 trust anyone. 465 00:28:26,780 --> 00:28:30,280 I thought that they were all selling stories about me because they knew 466 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,320 everything. 467 00:28:33,140 --> 00:28:38,240 And I couldn't work out why. I couldn't work out why anything I told my friends 468 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,840 or family was being leaked. 469 00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:45,200 I thought, I mean, I started to. 470 00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:48,340 Yeah. 471 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Hmm. 472 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:58,860 I, uh... The number of people that I trusted grew smaller 473 00:28:58,860 --> 00:29:02,040 and smaller until there was almost no one at all. 474 00:29:02,860 --> 00:29:07,040 I didn't know which way was up. Not anymore. I drank too much, did all the 475 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,260 things, damaged my career, damaged myself. 476 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,060 And they feasted on it. 477 00:29:13,380 --> 00:29:14,520 Was this Mulcair? 478 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,660 We don't know. We don't know who was doing what. All we know is the results 479 00:29:19,660 --> 00:29:20,659 it. 480 00:29:20,660 --> 00:29:26,720 The thing that I was most sorry about was that I... 481 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,920 I damaged my family. 482 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:39,360 Once it was all... I 483 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,500 only basically told my mum. 484 00:29:48,850 --> 00:29:50,250 Then they still found out. 485 00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:54,510 And they published and I thought it was her. 486 00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:59,570 I think I said to her, you know. 487 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:05,070 That's been terrible. 488 00:30:06,970 --> 00:30:08,030 But I'm a celebrity. 489 00:30:09,070 --> 00:30:12,670 I chose all this. It's not their fault. It's in the public interest. 490 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:16,330 We're taking this all the way. 491 00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:17,750 Good. 492 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,620 We're going to have to disclose this. 493 00:30:27,220 --> 00:30:28,320 I'm afraid we've no choice. 494 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,720 But I ain't done nothing. 495 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,560 Lindsay, your entire search issue's here. You can see what you searched and 496 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,560 you searched it. 497 00:30:36,660 --> 00:30:39,720 But I'm allowed to be curious, aren't I? 498 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:46,940 Not against the law to be curious. Look, you're accusing Jimmy Cook of over 30 499 00:30:46,940 --> 00:30:48,180 separate murders. 500 00:30:49,930 --> 00:30:53,430 And each time you change a statement and say you remember a new murder, it comes 501 00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:57,210 off the back of an internet search on how to commit that particular type of 502 00:30:57,210 --> 00:30:58,210 murder. 503 00:30:58,410 --> 00:31:01,810 Disclosing this means that we can no longer put you forward as a witness of 504 00:31:01,810 --> 00:31:02,810 truth. 505 00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:09,650 And I'm afraid, Lindsay, I'm afraid we lost the only other witness who had 506 00:31:09,650 --> 00:31:10,650 evidence on Jimmy. 507 00:31:11,390 --> 00:31:16,550 So your statement, that was all the prosecution had to go on. 508 00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:19,610 James Frederick William Cook. 509 00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:21,390 Stand, please. 510 00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:30,090 I direct a verdict of not guilty in respect of count one, and you are now 511 00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:31,090 to go. 512 00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:36,030 No, no, no, no, no. 513 00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:39,430 What if he... Oh, shit. 514 00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:41,990 I'm now number one target, you know that. 515 00:31:42,390 --> 00:31:43,810 How could you let this happen? 516 00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:46,970 How could you let this... 517 00:32:00,970 --> 00:32:01,970 You take sugar? 518 00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:03,730 Just half. 519 00:32:05,030 --> 00:32:06,290 And a splash of milk. 520 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:08,110 Thanks. 521 00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:13,670 How long you been here then? 522 00:32:14,050 --> 00:32:15,170 Moved in a while ago. 523 00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:21,990 I know, I just haven't had time to... There's a sofa coming. 524 00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:23,690 Thanks. 525 00:32:25,070 --> 00:32:27,970 Yeah, I was actually pretty choked when I heard. 526 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,580 You and Jackie always seem solid. 527 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,320 Yeah. 528 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:38,160 Heard you and Vicky got married. That's great. 529 00:32:38,420 --> 00:32:41,020 We invited you to the wedding, but you never RSVP'd. 530 00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:42,780 Did you? 531 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,820 I'm so sorry. It's just... I've been busy. Frantic. 532 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:51,660 Work. Life. 533 00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:55,420 That's what you get for having friends who are coppers. 534 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,160 They disappear on you for years on end. 535 00:32:59,210 --> 00:33:00,210 So are Stowe Piles. 536 00:33:04,270 --> 00:33:05,510 But that's not why you're here. 537 00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:07,110 You want something. 538 00:33:07,390 --> 00:33:10,350 Alan Rusbridger and the Guardian have been in touch with us at Panorama. 539 00:33:10,930 --> 00:33:14,570 It's the hacking stuff, but there's also this story on Jonathan Rees that 540 00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:15,469 they've been pushing. 541 00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:19,170 I know you've been on Daniel Morgan, so Rees is your bag, right? 542 00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:24,510 Look, I'm sorry, we can talk about other things. 543 00:33:25,290 --> 00:33:27,010 I'm taking my BBC hat off. 544 00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:29,520 Genuinely. Wanted to see you. 545 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,280 How are you? 546 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,840 No. 547 00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:37,700 Open. 548 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,240 Oh, that's strange. 549 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,420 A house without kids. 550 00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:45,260 Pretty quiet. 551 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,000 I think I need to get better. 552 00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:51,400 Filling in the time. 553 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,200 We should be... 554 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,220 aiming for a coalition of lawyers. 555 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,560 Coalition? In government, no. I have other friendly lawyers with very high 556 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,140 -profile clients. I do actually know who you're talking to. With the Sky Andrew 557 00:34:05,140 --> 00:34:08,139 case progressing under your watch, you're still not accepting their terms? 558 00:34:08,340 --> 00:34:12,320 Max Mosley has promised to financially back any client who comes forward. 559 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,360 we can encourage them all to come forward now. Nick, breathe. 560 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,400 Okay. 561 00:34:16,699 --> 00:34:22,340 You are constantly swaying between utter despair and this. It's exhausting. 562 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,980 The law takes time. 563 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,500 We are building something. 564 00:34:26,989 --> 00:34:28,010 Let it fucking build. 565 00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:31,050 Stop worrying about the New York Times getting there before you. This is your 566 00:34:31,050 --> 00:34:32,610 case. I'm not worried about the New York Times. 567 00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:35,050 I don't have Sienna Miller as a client. 568 00:34:35,409 --> 00:34:39,550 You don't have Sean Hall in your pocket, but we are all working together. Stop 569 00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:40,570 doing that thing with your hands. 570 00:34:41,889 --> 00:34:44,330 I have another one for you. A former politician. 571 00:34:45,510 --> 00:34:47,770 Apparently, he's had sight of Margot's notebook. 572 00:34:48,090 --> 00:34:54,429 I've been reluctant to share him because, well, I think he's tricky, but 573 00:34:54,429 --> 00:34:55,429 want everyone. 574 00:34:56,650 --> 00:34:59,470 What I'm interested in is in Mulcair's notebooks. 575 00:34:59,690 --> 00:35:03,370 I've no interest in what it shows, but there'll be a name at the top corner of 576 00:35:03,370 --> 00:35:06,030 the notes, which is the name of someone at the News of the World. 577 00:35:06,290 --> 00:35:10,870 Have you read what the Guardian has written about me, about this case? 578 00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:15,490 Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case which became a perjury case, the process of 579 00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:19,170 disclosure on which allowed him access to Mulcair and to his paperwork. 580 00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:22,050 And he's right. 581 00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:24,310 The Guardian haven't been kind about it. 582 00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:29,180 What I'm going to do is to build a case against Andy Coulson and the culture of 583 00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:32,500 the news of the world, that the hacking was endemic. Yes, there's a name. No, 584 00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:35,120 you can't see it. And you certainly can't print it. 585 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,740 I don't trust journalists, Nick. 586 00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:39,658 Not anymore. 587 00:35:39,660 --> 00:35:45,000 The name is important because it undermines the one rogue reporter 588 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,420 which Coulson keeps hiding behind. The more editors and senior journalists we 589 00:35:49,420 --> 00:35:51,520 can implicate, the more we show them lying. 590 00:35:59,390 --> 00:36:00,390 Greg Miskew. 591 00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:03,410 Greg Miskew, you sure? 592 00:36:04,570 --> 00:36:05,570 I didn't tell you? 593 00:36:06,090 --> 00:36:07,090 You're not printing it? 594 00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:09,750 Greg Miskew was news editor, later assistant editor. 595 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:14,090 He's retired now, but he reported directly to Coulson. I know who Greg 596 00:36:14,090 --> 00:36:16,670 now. Do you know how significant this is? This could blow the lid off. This 597 00:36:16,670 --> 00:36:18,010 to be off the record. 598 00:36:22,690 --> 00:36:28,310 Do you understand that you're representing yourself in court? 599 00:36:29,339 --> 00:36:30,760 Yes. What if I was to help you? 600 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,400 Go on. 601 00:36:33,460 --> 00:36:37,120 There's very little I know a lot about, but this issue is one of them. I could 602 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,740 feed you questions, help with your research, all for nothing. 603 00:36:40,020 --> 00:36:41,020 For the name of the notebook? 604 00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:44,780 That name is dynamite. Greg Mischke is dynamite. And you can print it? 605 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:46,700 Because it's been stated in court. 606 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,960 I have an idea who you could call as a witness. 607 00:36:50,980 --> 00:36:51,980 Go on. 608 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,480 Andy Coulson. 609 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,040 You're a traitor. 610 00:36:59,020 --> 00:37:02,920 Start by asking him about Greg Miskew. He'll deny any knowledge. 611 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,340 Mr. Coulson, these are the written notes of the former News of the World 612 00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:10,580 employee, Glenn Mulcair. 613 00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:12,760 Contractor, not employee. 614 00:37:13,060 --> 00:37:17,540 Mr. Coulson, do you recognize the name of the top left -hand corner of the 615 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:20,240 It says Greg. This is the big one. 616 00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:26,060 Do you think that name refers to the former assistant editor, Greg Miskew? 617 00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:31,410 No. Not to my knowledge, no. Do you have any knowledge of Greg Miskew ordering 618 00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:35,790 Glenn Mulcair to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone? Are you telling me that you never 619 00:37:35,790 --> 00:37:40,990 ordered or were unaware of Greg Miskew ordering Mr. Mulcair to tap my phone? 620 00:37:41,330 --> 00:37:46,150 No. I had absolutely no knowledge of it, and I certainly didn't instruct anyone 621 00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:52,370 to do anything of the type. Interesting, because Sean Hall in the New York Times 622 00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:54,690 stated that he played you hacked. 623 00:37:55,340 --> 00:37:59,100 Voicemails. I remain confident there is no evidence to support Mr. Hall's 624 00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:00,280 accusations. That's my position. 625 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,520 Do you have any comment on why Mr. Hall would have made those accusations? 626 00:38:03,980 --> 00:38:07,180 You should ask Mr. Hall. How bad was the culture in your newspaper? 627 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,800 I don't accept there was any culture of phone hacking at the news of the world. 628 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:18,500 There was one unfortunate case involving Clive Goodman, and no one was more 629 00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:19,500 sorry about it than me. 630 00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:21,940 And that's why I resigned. 631 00:38:23,380 --> 00:38:24,380 Tommy Sheridan. 632 00:38:25,580 --> 00:38:29,400 We got Miskew's name out there. It wasn't enough, but we're rattling 633 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:30,400 cage. 634 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,180 Well, let's see if this sends him over the edge. 635 00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:36,000 This was lodged in the High Court this morning. 636 00:38:36,380 --> 00:38:39,280 Worth mentioning, in real life, he made me go to the courthouse to pick this up 637 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,280 myself. 638 00:38:41,100 --> 00:38:42,100 Possibly not worth mentioning. 639 00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:44,680 Mulcair blagged her phone number. 640 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,480 I changed my phone twice, and somehow they always got it. 641 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:52,700 It wasn't just her phone they were inside of. They targeted Sienna's 642 00:38:52,700 --> 00:38:55,040 boyfriend, his assistant, her publicist. 643 00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:59,720 We analyzed my itemized phone bills, and then we used them to force the police 644 00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:01,620 to hand over calls made by Mulcair. 645 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,120 The police were sitting on this information for four years, I'll remind 646 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:06,680 John Yates. 647 00:39:06,780 --> 00:39:07,780 Four years. 648 00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:12,200 And then we linked them to the news of the world stories. 649 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,020 There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes. 650 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,700 A name we haven't had before. 651 00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:20,350 A name that could change everything. 652 00:39:20,650 --> 00:39:21,650 Tell me the name. 653 00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:25,150 Ian Edmondson. 654 00:39:25,690 --> 00:39:29,750 Ian Edmondson? You reported directly to Coulson? Ian Edmondson is the current 655 00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:31,710 news editor of the News of the World. 656 00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:49,630 Silver. Miss Q Anne Edmondson, chief reporter, former news editor, current 657 00:39:49,630 --> 00:39:50,710 editor. That is a culture. 658 00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:52,910 A culture Coulson has created. 659 00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:54,890 We can't survive this. 660 00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:02,569 Just heard. 661 00:40:02,570 --> 00:40:03,570 Good work, Nick. 662 00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:33,830 Sheridan? Oh, Nick, they couldn't get through to you, so, well, I don't know 663 00:40:33,830 --> 00:40:34,830 how... Is it the kid? 664 00:40:35,090 --> 00:40:36,090 No, no, no. 665 00:40:37,930 --> 00:40:39,210 It's about your father. 666 00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:41,910 God, I'm so sorry, Nick. 667 00:40:58,450 --> 00:40:59,450 Yeah, Graham. 668 00:40:59,660 --> 00:41:01,680 I found two crates in an old DPS office. 669 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,060 A cleaner found them. 670 00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:06,380 Sold evidence on James Ward. 671 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,180 But we told the judge we'd declared everything on Lord. 672 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,840 I'm sorry. 673 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,680 How about that? 674 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,540 Now this is the end, right? 675 00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:28,220 Do you want the official answer or the honest answer? 676 00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:30,770 We don't survive this. 677 00:41:33,810 --> 00:41:34,810 I don't understand. 678 00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:40,470 How can they accuse us of withholding evidence when you didn't even know that 679 00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:44,010 the crate... It was a disused police building. 680 00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:45,910 Nothing to do with your team, right? 681 00:41:46,110 --> 00:41:47,110 Yeah. 682 00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:50,270 The office was locked for years. Nobody knew anything about it. 683 00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:58,010 But even if we could make the case that we weren't withholding the files, the 684 00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:59,010 contents... 685 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:04,140 The details about James Ward, they didn't originally disclose to us. 686 00:42:04,620 --> 00:42:09,740 If we'd have had the files earlier, we may have been able to deal with it, but 687 00:42:09,740 --> 00:42:16,700 all of it together, it's years and years and years 688 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:17,700 gone. 689 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,860 All because someone left some files in the wrong room. 690 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,820 It's like everyone forgot. 691 00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:30,090 All the people in that court. 692 00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:33,830 This was supposed to be about Daniel. 693 00:43:14,060 --> 00:43:19,180 The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. 694 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,220 He makes me lie down in green pastures. 695 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,680 He leads me beside still waters. 696 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,040 He restores my soul. 697 00:43:27,900 --> 00:43:30,800 He leads me in right paths for his name's sake. 698 00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:35,880 Even though I walk through the darkest valley, I fear no evil. 699 00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:40,700 For you are with me, your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 700 00:43:41,420 --> 00:43:45,340 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. 701 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,200 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life. 702 00:43:51,780 --> 00:43:56,000 And I shall dwell in the house of the Lord my whole life long. 703 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:17,730 On the 14th of January, 2011, Rebecca Brooks asked her secretary to find 704 00:44:17,730 --> 00:44:20,530 somewhere discreet for her to meet Andy Coulson. 705 00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:26,210 She did so the next day at 7 .45 a .m. at the Halkin Hotel in Belgravia. 706 00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:30,150 We don't know what Brooks said to Coulson during that meeting, but we do 707 00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:33,690 that on the 21st of January, Andy Coulson resigned. 708 00:44:35,070 --> 00:44:40,010 He said, unfortunately, continued coverage of events connected to my old 709 00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:41,010 the news of the world. 710 00:44:41,310 --> 00:44:44,990 has made it difficult for me to give the 110 % needed in this role. 711 00:44:45,470 --> 00:44:50,630 I stand by what I said about those events, but when a spokesman needs a 712 00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:53,070 spokesman, it's time to move on. 713 00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:54,370 Thank you. 714 00:44:58,070 --> 00:44:58,510 This 715 00:44:58,510 --> 00:45:08,890 is 716 00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:09,890 the end. 717 00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:14,250 of a long, as I am sure everyone associated with this case will agree, 718 00:45:14,490 --> 00:45:16,070 exhausting road. 719 00:45:16,510 --> 00:45:21,410 In all the years that I have been a judge, I have never come across a case 720 00:45:21,410 --> 00:45:26,310 which there have been so many issues or such complex issues to be resolved 721 00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:29,130 before a trial could even get underway. 722 00:45:29,550 --> 00:45:36,390 The family will inevitably be disappointed by the outcome, but they, I 723 00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:38,050 should be commended. 724 00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,560 on the dignity with which they have faced these proceedings. 725 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:50,920 Mr. Reith, Mr. Fillory, Mr. Glenn Vian, Mr. Gary Vian, please stand. 726 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,220 You are free to go. 727 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,940 Verdicts of not guilty have been entered in all of your cases. 728 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,560 Thank you all. 729 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:12,720 Court rise. 730 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,520 Your dad? 731 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:21,720 Yep. 732 00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:24,300 He was a nice man. 733 00:46:24,580 --> 00:46:25,820 You didn't know him. 734 00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:29,220 You made him sound nice. 735 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,740 And to Andy Coulson. 736 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,380 May he disappear and never come back. 737 00:46:45,100 --> 00:46:48,380 I may as well tell you we're reporting it tomorrow. 738 00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:52,960 Murdoch's going for full control of B -Sky B. 739 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,040 I did hear it was possible. 740 00:46:57,720 --> 00:47:01,140 If he gets that, he'll be able to leverage a serious amount of debt. 741 00:47:01,580 --> 00:47:03,300 By more, by bigger. 742 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,780 We're talking world domination. 743 00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:09,110 Why are you telling me this? 744 00:47:11,530 --> 00:47:13,330 To remind you it's not over. 745 00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:18,250 Remind me that they cut Coulson loose to save him. 746 00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:22,470 It's all a false victory. 747 00:47:22,870 --> 00:47:23,870 Not false at all. 748 00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:28,010 Dissection is a slow process. We tackle them. 749 00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:33,350 One limb at a time. And eventually they run out of limbs. 750 00:47:34,410 --> 00:47:35,410 Do they? 751 00:47:42,930 --> 00:47:44,090 Agreed. We rest. 752 00:47:44,310 --> 00:47:47,790 We lick our wounds. We take stock. No, I don't. 753 00:47:52,030 --> 00:47:55,770 I don't think so. I think on this story, I think you need to find someone to 754 00:47:55,770 --> 00:47:56,770 take over. 755 00:47:57,710 --> 00:47:59,710 Sometimes you need to know when to stop. 756 00:48:04,050 --> 00:48:05,570 It's time to stop. I need to stop. 757 00:48:42,570 --> 00:48:45,810 And I thought a bit of fresh air might be an order. No, I'm fine. 758 00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:47,030 Well, you're not. 759 00:48:48,110 --> 00:48:49,110 I'm all right. 760 00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:51,190 No, you're not, mate. 761 00:48:53,210 --> 00:48:54,350 There's someone I want you to meet. 762 00:48:55,590 --> 00:48:56,590 He helped me. 763 00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:58,330 I think he can help you. 764 00:49:00,030 --> 00:49:02,270 Get showered, get dressed. I'm not leaving until you do it. 765 00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:06,210 I'm serious. 766 00:49:47,250 --> 00:49:50,250 David Cook, Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown, David Cook. 767 00:49:50,530 --> 00:49:54,410 I know a lot about you, DCS. I appreciate you coming all this way. 768 00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:56,430 No problem. 769 00:49:56,550 --> 00:50:01,270 I'm interested to hear more about what's happened to you. I think I might be 770 00:50:01,270 --> 00:50:02,270 able to help. 60332

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