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kill her this is the perfect
kill her this is the perfect
kill her this is the perfect place yes I've got everything
[Music]
[Music]
[Music] awesome that CAU by Denny right behind
awesome that CAU by Denny right behind
awesome that CAU by Denny right behind us that did you see that yes oh my God
us that did you see that yes oh my God
us that did you see that yes oh my God I'm just
I'm just
I'm just about he's not
back do you feel like grunge is an empty
back do you feel like grunge is an empty
back do you feel like grunge is an empty word I mean there's nothing to it yes
word I mean there's nothing to it yes
word I mean there's nothing to it yes yeah it's an empty word nothing to it
nothing to it nothing to grunge nothing
nothing to it nothing to grunge nothing
nothing to it nothing to grunge nothing to
to
to grunge one might say that Tad was the
grunge one might say that Tad was the
grunge one might say that Tad was the pioneer of this inventure of
pioneer of this inventure of
pioneer of this inventure of this in some ways they're the
this in some ways they're the
this in some ways they're the quintessential grunge
band there were the combination of
band there were the combination of
band there were the combination of musical Ingenuity musical fluidity a
musical Ingenuity musical fluidity a
musical Ingenuity musical fluidity a sense of humor a sense of style but I
sense of humor a sense of style but I
sense of humor a sense of style but I mean they really were as charismatic a
mean they really were as charismatic a
mean they really were as charismatic a band as any that were ever on
subpop like Tad the band they kind of
subpop like Tad the band they kind of
subpop like Tad the band they kind of took on this character like there's Tad
took on this character like there's Tad
took on this character like there's Tad the person and then there's t a d
the person and then there's t a d
the person and then there's t a d capital letters
capital letters
capital letters [Music]
[Music]
[Music] Tad hello people my name is Gary and I
Tad hello people my name is Gary and I
Tad hello people my name is Gary and I play washboard
play washboard
play washboard my name is Kurt I play Bas t i play with
my name is Kurt I play Bas t i play with
my name is Kurt I play Bas t i play with [Music]
[Music]
[Music] myself all the musicians were really
myself all the musicians were really
myself all the musicians were really skilled had quite sophisticated approach
skilled had quite sophisticated approach
skilled had quite sophisticated approach to their instruments at one point they
to their instruments at one point they
to their instruments at one point they were the favorite horse coming out of
were the favorite horse coming out of
were the favorite horse coming out of Seattle without Tad to me there'd be
Seattle without Tad to me there'd be
Seattle without Tad to me there'd be like a black hole or a gap it's like
like a black hole or a gap it's like
like a black hole or a gap it's like well where was like that really intense
well where was like that really intense
well where was like that really intense the raw of the raw they were the heav
the raw of the raw they were the heav
the raw of the raw they were the heav and the meanest and the darkest sounding
and the meanest and the darkest sounding
and the meanest and the darkest sounding band of the scene and I think that
band of the scene and I think that
band of the scene and I think that influenced a lot of
people I think of the Tad band I think
people I think of the Tad band I think
people I think of the Tad band I think of smoking pot smoke
pot like if their dressing room
pot like if their dressing room
pot like if their dressing room wasn't a smoky
wasn't a smoky
wasn't a smoky Haze I think the
bombs he's a real Miracle band a garage
bombs he's a real Miracle band a garage
bombs he's a real Miracle band a garage band that never grew
[Music]
[Music]
[Music] up it wasn't just because they were
up it wasn't just because they were
up it wasn't just because they were weird looking it was also because they
weird looking it was also because they
weird looking it was also because they were a good
were a good
were a good band
band
band shut
shut
shut shut shut
shut shut
shut shut [Music]
that's a cut there just take it back to
that's a cut there just take it back to
that's a cut there just take it back to the
the
the beginning
beginning
beginning action uh it was late 88 early '89 um
action uh it was late 88 early '89 um
action uh it was late 88 early '89 um and there was this this Regional sound
and there was this this Regional sound
and there was this this Regional sound in the air and we we felt like we were
in the air and we we felt like we were
in the air and we we felt like we were we were we were part of of of of the
we were we were part of of of of the
we were we were part of of of of the select group of people that were allowed
select group of people that were allowed
select group of people that were allowed to document it there wasn't a lot of you
to document it there wasn't a lot of you
to document it there wasn't a lot of you know National acts coming through or
know National acts coming through or
know National acts coming through or like a lot of good Indie acts coming
like a lot of good Indie acts coming
like a lot of good Indie acts coming through as much as later years so it was
through as much as later years so it was
through as much as later years so it was kind of like an isolated area where
kind of like an isolated area where
kind of like an isolated area where these people were coming up with music
these people were coming up with music
these people were coming up with music and uh they're mostly influencing each
and uh they're mostly influencing each
and uh they're mostly influencing each other not being too self-conscious about
other not being too self-conscious about
other not being too self-conscious about what they were doing that was the best
what they were doing that was the best
what they were doing that was the best thing about it was bands wanted to just
thing about it was bands wanted to just
thing about it was bands wanted to just they had a very clear artistic vision
they had a very clear artistic vision
they had a very clear artistic vision and that's what they wanted to pursue it
and that's what they wanted to pursue it
and that's what they wanted to pursue it wasn't like trying to think of what
wasn't like trying to think of what
wasn't like trying to think of what would get them signed or what would get
would get them signed or what would get
would get them signed or what would get them attention or what the fans would
them attention or what the fans would
them attention or what the fans would like it was more about what you know
like it was more about what you know
like it was more about what you know people were very much doing the music
people were very much doing the music
people were very much doing the music that they wanted to be doing making the
that they wanted to be doing making the
that they wanted to be doing making the records that they wanted to make
records that they wanted to make
records that they wanted to make commercial considerations hadn't really
commercial considerations hadn't really
commercial considerations hadn't really come into the picture yet there wasn't
come into the picture yet there wasn't
come into the picture yet there wasn't any inkling of any kind of idea like I'm
any inkling of any kind of idea like I'm
any inkling of any kind of idea like I'm going to get rich and famous from doing
going to get rich and famous from doing
going to get rich and famous from doing this there was
this there was
this there was no concept of it being a career it was
no concept of it being a career it was
no concept of it being a career it was just like here and now in the moment
just like here and now in the moment
just like here and now in the moment this is what we're doing I don't care if
this is what we're doing I don't care if
this is what we're doing I don't care if it's going to fall apart tomorrow I
it's going to fall apart tomorrow I
it's going to fall apart tomorrow I don't remember yesterday this is what
don't remember yesterday this is what
don't remember yesterday this is what we're doing
we're doing
we're doing now yeah it was great I I just remember
now yeah it was great I I just remember
now yeah it was great I I just remember it being vibrant exciting and Incredibly
it being vibrant exciting and Incredibly
it being vibrant exciting and Incredibly supportive and collaborative every all
supportive and collaborative every all
supportive and collaborative every all these bands are checking out everyone
these bands are checking out everyone
these bands are checking out everyone else's show and their tapes it didn't
else's show and their tapes it didn't
else's show and their tapes it didn't seem like there were any kind of like
seem like there were any kind of like
seem like there were any kind of like Petty rivalries or animosities people
Petty rivalries or animosities people
Petty rivalries or animosities people would come together and and it was a a
would come together and and it was a a
would come together and and it was a a positive
positive
positive supportive situation scene that made
supportive situation scene that made
supportive situation scene that made things a lot of
things a lot of
things a lot of [Music]
[Music]
[Music] fun all of a sudden you'd go to a you
fun all of a sudden you'd go to a you
fun all of a sudden you'd go to a you know a tad show and there would
know a tad show and there would
know a tad show and there would be hundreds of people there and hardly
be hundreds of people there and hardly
be hundreds of people there and hardly anyone that I knew man the sense of
anyone that I knew man the sense of
anyone that I knew man the sense of family
family
family or at least like familiarity was
[Music]
gone the whole grunge scene was really
gone the whole grunge scene was really
gone the whole grunge scene was really just an
just an
just an extension of rock and roll hype that has
extension of rock and roll hype that has
extension of rock and roll hype that has been going on since you know the colonel
been going on since you know the colonel
been going on since you know the colonel and Elvis Presley and even before that
and Elvis Presley and even before that
and Elvis Presley and even before that into one one word grunge it's like all
into one one word grunge it's like all
into one one word grunge it's like all new wave bands sound alike or all rock
new wave bands sound alike or all rock
new wave bands sound alike or all rock band sound alike and then uh one day the
band sound alike and then uh one day the
band sound alike and then uh one day the devil came and said uh you know we'll
devil came and said uh you know we'll
devil came and said uh you know we'll pay you guys more money and Play Satan
pay you guys more money and Play Satan
pay you guys more money and Play Satan Rock so we began to play sat satanic
Rock so we began to play sat satanic
Rock so we began to play sat satanic rock music and
rock music and
rock music and uh uh you know it's something we do but
uh uh you know it's something we do but
uh uh you know it's something we do but it's not like uh you we don't take it
it's not like uh you we don't take it
it's not like uh you we don't take it home with us we just leave it at the
office yes you wanted the best and you
office yes you wanted the best and you
office yes you wanted the best and you got it the hottest bed in the land
got it the hottest bed in the land
got it the hottest bed in the land [Applause]
[Applause]
[Applause] hey it was this one word that that kind
hey it was this one word that that kind
hey it was this one word that that kind of summed it all up and that's heavy
of summed it all up and that's heavy
of summed it all up and that's heavy we're here to destroy your
we're here to destroy your
we're here to destroy your hearing yeah Tad was the biggest thing I
hearing yeah Tad was the biggest thing I
hearing yeah Tad was the biggest thing I ever heard in in in my life because you
ever heard in in in my life because you
ever heard in in in my life because you know I'm I'm from fville Arkansas
know I'm I'm from fville Arkansas
know I'm I'm from fville Arkansas originally you know when I you know
originally you know when I you know
originally you know when I you know Black Sabbath Leonard skinnard and Black
Black Sabbath Leonard skinnard and Black
Black Sabbath Leonard skinnard and Black Sabbath you know there was there was
Sabbath you know there was there was
Sabbath you know there was there was nothing nothing you know remotely heavy
nothing nothing you know remotely heavy
nothing nothing you know remotely heavy it was just always you know like Garage
it was just always you know like Garage
it was just always you know like Garage Band Here Garage Band punk rock band
Band Here Garage Band punk rock band
Band Here Garage Band punk rock band here punk rock band hardcore band none
here punk rock band hardcore band none
here punk rock band hardcore band none of it was even close to the first time
of it was even close to the first time
of it was even close to the first time that I actually got to see those guys
that I actually got to see those guys
that I actually got to see those guys play Behemoth that was like the I was
play Behemoth that was like the I was
play Behemoth that was like the I was like well you know clearly this is what
like well you know clearly this is what
like well you know clearly this is what you want to be hearing and I and I was
you want to be hearing and I and I was
you want to be hearing and I and I was convinced that Tad was the best band out
convinced that Tad was the best band out
convinced that Tad was the best band out of all the bands I was getting to see at
of all the bands I was getting to see at
of all the bands I was getting to see at the off round Tad was just pretty much
the off round Tad was just pretty much
the off round Tad was just pretty much balls the wall kind of angst
I remember seeing Tad at a show at one
I remember seeing Tad at a show at one
I remember seeing Tad at a show at one of the clubs in Piner square and the
of the clubs in Piner square and the
of the clubs in Piner square and the sound was literally so heavy that I I
sound was literally so heavy that I I
sound was literally so heavy that I I felt like I was having a heart attack or
felt like I was having a heart attack or
felt like I was having a heart attack or something um because I it it it you know
something um because I it it it you know
something um because I it it it you know made your chest cavity actually be T is
made your chest cavity actually be T is
made your chest cavity actually be T is so loud and just so heavy we would play
so loud and just so heavy we would play
so loud and just so heavy we would play so loud that I would like almost pass
so loud that I would like almost pass
so loud that I would like almost pass out
out
out [Music]
you see a guy that big moving around
you see a guy that big moving around
you see a guy that big moving around that much and there's skinny ass little
that much and there's skinny ass little
that much and there's skinny ass little 18-year-olds that cannot rock that hard
18-year-olds that cannot rock that hard
18-year-olds that cannot rock that hard not only that but you put in between it
not only that but you put in between it
not only that but you put in between it the onstage banter I mean the guy is
the onstage banter I mean the guy is
the onstage banter I mean the guy is quick you know so it's like almost
quick you know so it's like almost
quick you know so it's like almost seeing you get badass Rock and standup
seeing you get badass Rock and standup
seeing you get badass Rock and standup comedy allinone I extremely fat and
comedy allinone I extremely fat and
comedy allinone I extremely fat and overweight and you're not I'm pissed off
overweight and you're not I'm pissed off
overweight and you're not I'm pissed off godamn
godamn
godamn it hey I'm told you're supposed to take
it hey I'm told you're supposed to take
it hey I'm told you're supposed to take care of my microphone needs
care of my microphone needs
care of my microphone needs tonight they're all
tonight they're all
tonight they're all up but I mean it really I do you guys
up but I mean it really I do you guys
up but I mean it really I do you guys don't know me I really mean you all
don't know me I really mean you all
don't know me I really mean you all of you you
you know you had kurtt Danielson who
you know you had kurtt Danielson who
you know you had kurtt Danielson who like would headbang through the entire
like would headbang through the entire
like would headbang through the entire set to see somebody who would do that
set to see somebody who would do that
set to see somebody who would do that with such intensity I mean you kind of
with such intensity I mean you kind of
with such intensity I mean you kind of thought that he was he may be having
thought that he was he may be having
thought that he was he may be having some kind of seizure Tad was this big
some kind of seizure Tad was this big
some kind of seizure Tad was this big guy dwarfing his guitar and have this
guy dwarfing his guitar and have this
guy dwarfing his guitar and have this huge guy jumping out and into a crowd
huge guy jumping out and into a crowd
huge guy jumping out and into a crowd and the crowd like mill the show he uh
and the crowd like mill the show he uh
and the crowd like mill the show he uh he stage dived and crushed a few people
it was uh something that people are
it was uh something that people are
it was uh something that people are probably telling their children at this
probably telling their children at this
probably telling their children at this moment and the legend will be passed on
moment and the legend will be passed on
moment and the legend will be passed on to their children and so forth well I
to their children and so forth well I
to their children and so forth well I just remember once in Portland when tad
just remember once in Portland when tad
just remember once in Portland when tad just ran backwards and he ran
just ran backwards and he ran
just ran backwards and he ran into his guitar stack all thing just
into his guitar stack all thing just
into his guitar stack all thing just went
went
went flying and he went kind of flying too
flying and he went kind of flying too
flying and he went kind of flying too and that just freaked me out man and
and that just freaked me out man and
and that just freaked me out man and just to see Tad like wailing around and
just to see Tad like wailing around and
just to see Tad like wailing around and his guitar is like un you know like not
his guitar is like un you know like not
his guitar is like un you know like not strapped and he's still will to jump in
strapped and he's still will to jump in
strapped and he's still will to jump in the crowd or something if you listen to
the crowd or something if you listen to
the crowd or something if you listen to Tad and you didn't have a visual image
Tad and you didn't have a visual image
Tad and you didn't have a visual image for them you would think these are you
for them you would think these are you
for them you would think these are you know this is the Seattle version of
know this is the Seattle version of
know this is the Seattle version of Sonic Youth in some ways these are
Sonic Youth in some ways these are
Sonic Youth in some ways these are sophisticated hipsters creating this
sophisticated hipsters creating this
sophisticated hipsters creating this very deep and sophisticated sound it was
very deep and sophisticated sound it was
very deep and sophisticated sound it was like well this is great and this what
like well this is great and this what
like well this is great and this what Tad's doing this is great it's like he's
Tad's doing this is great it's like he's
Tad's doing this is great it's like he's totally you know like pushing envelope
totally you know like pushing envelope
totally you know like pushing envelope this is you know about as anti- Radio
this is you know about as anti- Radio
this is you know about as anti- Radio Rock as you're going to get which it was
Rock as you're going to get which it was
Rock as you're going to get which it was like was cool cuz that's where we're all
like was cool cuz that's where we're all
like was cool cuz that's where we're all like oh this is you know I want to be
like oh this is you know I want to be
like oh this is you know I want to be anti- Radio Rock I want to do this
anti- Radio Rock I want to do this
anti- Radio Rock I want to do this [Music]
[Music]
[Music] [Applause]
[Applause]
[Applause] [Music]
[Music]
[Music] [Applause]
stuff I had uh gotten a tax return from
stuff I had uh gotten a tax return from
stuff I had uh gotten a tax return from uh
uh
uh 1986 I took my whole tax return in I
1986 I took my whole tax return in I
1986 I took my whole tax return in I come from being a drummer in a band that
come from being a drummer in a band that
come from being a drummer in a band that was my main
was my main
was my main instrument and I I bought a guitar and
instrument and I I bought a guitar and
instrument and I I bought a guitar and wanted to play guitar and I had this
wanted to play guitar and I had this
wanted to play guitar and I had this little champ amp which is right there um
little champ amp which is right there um
little champ amp which is right there um and I played that and came up with these
and I played that and came up with these
and I played that and came up with these ideas and uh and I I just wanted to try
ideas and uh and I I just wanted to try
ideas and uh and I I just wanted to try it out and see how it would sound and
it out and see how it would sound and
it out and see how it would sound and went into a a studio called reciprocal
went into a a studio called reciprocal
went into a a studio called reciprocal with uh Jack and Dino there was no click
with uh Jack and Dino there was no click
with uh Jack and Dino there was no click tracks he did the drum track and then he
tracks he did the drum track and then he
tracks he did the drum track and then he came in and overdubbed the guitar car
came in and overdubbed the guitar car
came in and overdubbed the guitar car overdubbed some bass and then did the
overdubbed some bass and then did the
overdubbed some bass and then did the vocals and that became his first 7 in on
vocals and that became his first 7 in on
vocals and that became his first 7 in on the subpop
the subpop
the subpop label some food I got to move some got
label some food I got to move some got
label some food I got to move some got to chame the Beast I got to chame the
to chame the Beast I got to chame the
to chame the Beast I got to chame the Beast got to rock in my hand I remember
Beast got to rock in my hand I remember
Beast got to rock in my hand I remember taking it to work that the next day a
taking it to work that the next day a
taking it to work that the next day a cassette of it I worked with Tad uh at
cassette of it I worked with Tad uh at
cassette of it I worked with Tad uh at musac at ' 87 until the spring of ' 88 I
musac at ' 87 until the spring of ' 88 I
musac at ' 87 until the spring of ' 88 I was working in the cartridge cleaning
was working in the cartridge cleaning
was working in the cartridge cleaning room that's my first job there and I was
room that's my first job there and I was
room that's my first job there and I was working with Mark arm it was a totally
working with Mark arm it was a totally
working with Mark arm it was a totally loud room and we'd be cranking like you
loud room and we'd be cranking like you
loud room and we'd be cranking like you know the Butthole Surfers or scratch
know the Butthole Surfers or scratch
know the Butthole Surfers or scratch acid or the first dinosaur record you
acid or the first dinosaur record you
acid or the first dinosaur record you know and I remember one day like pad
know and I remember one day like pad
know and I remember one day like pad came in with this these songs that he'
came in with this these songs that he'
came in with this these songs that he' recorded Bruce pavic came in and he had
recorded Bruce pavic came in and he had
recorded Bruce pavic came in and he had this crazy look on his face like you
this crazy look on his face like you
this crazy look on his face like you know what's this you know and then he
know what's this you know and then he
know what's this you know and then he like walked out of the room like his
like walked out of the room like his
like walked out of the room like his mind was blown and then he came back a
mind was blown and then he came back a
mind was blown and then he came back a little later he said we start talking
little later he said we start talking
little later he said we start talking about you I said man maybe uh we could
about you I said man maybe uh we could
about you I said man maybe uh we could put something out and he goes yeah I'd
put something out and he goes yeah I'd
put something out and he goes yeah I'd love to put it out a single Bruce was
love to put it out a single Bruce was
love to put it out a single Bruce was Bor away and he played it for
[Applause]
me I thought it was amazing and
me I thought it was amazing and
me I thought it was amazing and here's the one interesting thing every
here's the one interesting thing every
here's the one interesting thing every band had established itself as a as Al
band had established itself as a as Al
band had established itself as a as Al live a per Performing artist in many
live a per Performing artist in many
live a per Performing artist in many cases years before they recorded Tad was
cases years before they recorded Tad was
cases years before they recorded Tad was a recording artist years before there
a recording artist years before there
a recording artist years before there was a band Tad there was the guy Tad the
was a band Tad there was the guy Tad the
was a band Tad there was the guy Tad the response to that single was so good that
response to that single was so good that
response to that single was so good that he said well you know maybe I should
he said well you know maybe I should
he said well you know maybe I should actually get another drummer and get a
actually get another drummer and get a
actually get another drummer and get a bass player and get a guitarist and and
bass player and get a guitarist and and
bass player and get a guitarist and and have a band
told me that he was uh recording a
told me that he was uh recording a
told me that he was uh recording a single uh with Jack and Dino uh at
single uh with Jack and Dino uh at
single uh with Jack and Dino uh at reciprocal and uh did I want to come
reciprocal and uh did I want to come
reciprocal and uh did I want to come down and check out what he was working
down and check out what he was working
down and check out what he was working on and I was like yeah yeah I was like
on and I was like yeah yeah I was like
on and I was like yeah yeah I was like really Blown Away with what Tad was
really Blown Away with what Tad was
really Blown Away with what Tad was doing all by himself I mean he was
doing all by himself I mean he was
doing all by himself I mean he was playing all the instruments writing all
playing all the instruments writing all
playing all the instruments writing all the stuff and it was really impressive
the stuff and it was really impressive
the stuff and it was really impressive the band I was in bundle of His used to
the band I was in bundle of His used to
the band I was in bundle of His used to play gigs with with h hour which is a
play gigs with with h hour which is a
play gigs with with h hour which is a band that Tad used to play drums for and
band that Tad used to play drums for and
band that Tad used to play drums for and uh that's when Tad and I met I didn't
uh that's when Tad and I met I didn't
uh that's when Tad and I met I didn't realize it at the time but but Tad was
realize it at the time but but Tad was
realize it at the time but but Tad was planning on switching to guitar and
planning on switching to guitar and
planning on switching to guitar and quitting the drums and H hour broke up
quitting the drums and H hour broke up
quitting the drums and H hour broke up uh over that issue and others perhaps
uh over that issue and others perhaps
uh over that issue and others perhaps Kurt and I got along really well and we
Kurt and I got along really well and we
Kurt and I got along really well and we shared similar humor and uh so that's
shared similar humor and uh so that's
shared similar humor and uh so that's kind of how it started there and I I had
kind of how it started there and I I had
kind of how it started there and I I had always been a fan of a drummer who was
always been a fan of a drummer who was
always been a fan of a drummer who was playing a band called death and taxes at
playing a band called death and taxes at
playing a band called death and taxes at the time and that wound up being Steve
the time and that wound up being Steve
the time and that wound up being Steve weed our keyboard had just moved to
weed our keyboard had just moved to
weed our keyboard had just moved to Califor
Califor
Califor and uh we were like wow what do we do
and uh we were like wow what do we do
and uh we were like wow what do we do now so Tad you know he talked to sub pop
now so Tad you know he talked to sub pop
now so Tad you know he talked to sub pop and he got to single out and stuff so I
and he got to single out and stuff so I
and he got to single out and stuff so I was like okay that sounds cool let's do
was like okay that sounds cool let's do
was like okay that sounds cool let's do it you know so and uh Kurt knew about a
it you know so and uh Kurt knew about a
it you know so and uh Kurt knew about a guy that was playing guitar Gary had
guy that was playing guitar Gary had
guy that was playing guitar Gary had been uh in a band with Jonathan paman
been uh in a band with Jonathan paman
been uh in a band with Jonathan paman and so I called up John and I I had seen
and so I called up John and I I had seen
and so I called up John and I I had seen Gary play with John before in in a band
Gary play with John before in in a band
Gary play with John before in in a band they had a band together called the tree
they had a band together called the tree
they had a band together called the tree climbers and I was just blown away by
climbers and I was just blown away by
climbers and I was just blown away by his guitar playing
his guitar playing
his guitar playing so we asked Gary to come in and I said
so we asked Gary to come in and I said
so we asked Gary to come in and I said well why don't we just get these two
well why don't we just get these two
well why don't we just get these two guys together and we'll start seeing how
guys together and we'll start seeing how
guys together and we'll start seeing how it works and uh that's what became the
it works and uh that's what became the
it works and uh that's what became the first incarnation of Tad when the band
first incarnation of Tad when the band
first incarnation of Tad when the band got together for example we encouraged
got together for example we encouraged
got together for example we encouraged them just to call the band Tad versus
them just to call the band Tad versus
them just to call the band Tad versus any other name because uh Tad had such
any other name because uh Tad had such
any other name because uh Tad had such uh pronounced personality and such a
uh pronounced personality and such a
uh pronounced personality and such a presence that we we felt that the media
presence that we we felt that the media
presence that we we felt that the media would warm up to T
would warm up to T
would warm up to T how do you feel about what happened to
how do you feel about what happened to
how do you feel about what happened to Seattle what happened to it a hype Oh I
Seattle what happened to it a hype Oh I
Seattle what happened to it a hype Oh I thought you me blew up or something
thought you me blew up or something
thought you me blew up or something earthquake oh my God uh the hype well it
earthquake oh my God uh the hype well it
earthquake oh my God uh the hype well it it's just that nothing but hype Seattle
it's just that nothing but hype Seattle
it's just that nothing but hype Seattle was was a nice friendly little college
was was a nice friendly little college
was was a nice friendly little college town uh you know a maritime City a port
town uh you know a maritime City a port
town uh you know a maritime City a port city right on the water very nice rains
city right on the water very nice rains
city right on the water very nice rains a little bit too much but uh there a few
a little bit too much but uh there a few
a little bit too much but uh there a few rock bands uh just like in any other
rock bands uh just like in any other
rock bands uh just like in any other City but then there was a record label
subpop Bruce and I went into business on
subpop Bruce and I went into business on
subpop Bruce and I went into business on a full-time basis over at 1932 1 Avenue
a full-time basis over at 1932 1 Avenue
a full-time basis over at 1932 1 Avenue which is where our first office was on
which is where our first office was on
which is where our first office was on April 1st 1988 April Fool's Day so we've
April 1st 1988 April Fool's Day so we've
April 1st 1988 April Fool's Day so we've always used that as being kind of the
always used that as being kind of the
always used that as being kind of the beginning of the company we felt there
beginning of the company we felt there
beginning of the company we felt there was a certain Vibe going on in the city
was a certain Vibe going on in the city
was a certain Vibe going on in the city all these groups were playing a kind of
all these groups were playing a kind of
all these groups were playing a kind of a
a
a sludger grung he Punk metal sound uh
sludger grung he Punk metal sound uh
sludger grung he Punk metal sound uh that was super
that was super
that was super [Music]
powerful she come to
powerful she come to
powerful she come to house so as a label we were trying to
house so as a label we were trying to
house so as a label we were trying to capture the essence of that scene we
capture the essence of that scene we
capture the essence of that scene we weren't sure how long that sound was
weren't sure how long that sound was
weren't sure how long that sound was going to last or where it was going to
going to last or where it was going to
going to last or where it was going to go but we wanted to document it because
go but we wanted to document it because
go but we wanted to document it because we thought there was there was a
we thought there was there was a
we thought there was there was a definite scene there in the sound
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they knew what they wanted they had a
they knew what they wanted they had a
they knew what they wanted they had a concept for the label both
concept for the label both
concept for the label both visually uh in terms of live photographs
visually uh in terms of live photographs
visually uh in terms of live photographs and graphics and sonically with with
and graphics and sonically with with
and graphics and sonically with with with a kind of regional sound they they
with a kind of regional sound they they
with a kind of regional sound they they felt it and saw it developing as well
felt it and saw it developing as well
felt it and saw it developing as well and they wanted to document it and it
and they wanted to document it and it
and they wanted to document it and it was like recognizing a chemical reaction
was like recognizing a chemical reaction
was like recognizing a chemical reaction occurring keep in mind these are two
occurring keep in mind these are two
occurring keep in mind these are two guys that you know went to a community
guys that you know went to a community
guys that you know went to a community colleges and one of them you know his
colleges and one of them you know his
colleges and one of them you know his degree was basically smoking pot and
degree was basically smoking pot and
degree was basically smoking pot and spinning records you know all of a
spinning records you know all of a
spinning records you know all of a sudden their passion and their what
sudden their passion and their what
sudden their passion and their what where their heart lies is becoming a
where their heart lies is becoming a
where their heart lies is becoming a business
business
business in our own modest way we were trying to
in our own modest way we were trying to
in our own modest way we were trying to recreate something that that would
recreate something that that would
recreate something that that would stimulate people's imagination because
stimulate people's imagination because
stimulate people's imagination because there are hundreds of thousands of bands
there are hundreds of thousands of bands
there are hundreds of thousands of bands out there and there always are millions
out there and there always are millions
out there and there always are millions of bands and the way that you're going
of bands and the way that you're going
of bands and the way that you're going to make a distinction is by of course
to make a distinction is by of course
to make a distinction is by of course first and foremost making music that
first and foremost making music that
first and foremost making music that people care about but they also want to
people care about but they also want to
people care about but they also want to care about the people who are making the
care about the people who are making the
care about the people who are making the music and that you know you create a a a
music and that you know you create a a a
music and that you know you create a a a mythology if you just say hey you know
mythology if you just say hey you know
mythology if you just say hey you know we're a rock band from Seattle and we
we're a rock band from Seattle and we
we're a rock band from Seattle and we practice a lot in our garage and we have
practice a lot in our garage and we have
practice a lot in our garage and we have you know we work at Kinkos and you know
you know we work at Kinkos and you know
you know we work at Kinkos and you know we hate our day jobs and we want to be
we hate our day jobs and we want to be
we hate our day jobs and we want to be rock stars it's
rock stars it's
rock stars it's like you know that man you know you
like you know that man you know you
like you know that man you know you and everybody else you know but you want
and everybody else you know but you want
and everybody else you know but you want to like create this whole sense that you
to like create this whole sense that you
to like create this whole sense that you know this is we're an invading horde and
know this is we're an invading horde and
know this is we're an invading horde and you know we live on mountains and we eat
you know we live on mountains and we eat
you know we live on mountains and we eat raw flesh and we going to come and rape
raw flesh and we going to come and rape
raw flesh and we going to come and rape your
your
your children they played the roll to a
children they played the roll to a
children they played the roll to a te we're from Seattle
te we're from Seattle
te we're from Seattle [Music]
[Music]
[Music] Washington we we play rock and roll punk
Washington we we play rock and roll punk
Washington we we play rock and roll punk rock rock and roll don't be shy don't
rock rock and roll don't be shy don't
rock rock and roll don't be shy don't piss me off and whatever you do stand
piss me off and whatever you do stand
piss me off and whatever you do stand back because we're going to blow your
back because we're going to blow your
back because we're going to blow your nuts off if you got any
nuts off if you got any
nuts off if you got any [Music]
[Music]
[Music]
[Music] not only did you have an incredibly
not only did you have an incredibly
not only did you have an incredibly heavy sound but Tad was kind of an icon
heavy sound but Tad was kind of an icon
heavy sound but Tad was kind of an icon of heaviness and uh visually lent uh
of heaviness and uh visually lent uh
of heaviness and uh visually lent uh another level of intensity to the
another level of intensity to the
another level of intensity to the [Music]
[Music]
[Music] music just this giant dude with a full
music just this giant dude with a full
music just this giant dude with a full beard reflecto Shades some kind of crazy
beard reflecto Shades some kind of crazy
beard reflecto Shades some kind of crazy trucker hat an ed Gan t-shirt and he
trucker hat an ed Gan t-shirt and he
trucker hat an ed Gan t-shirt and he looked like somebody you know he looked
looked like somebody you know he looked
looked like somebody you know he looked like like a he looked like a trucker or
like like a he looked like a trucker or
like like a he looked like a trucker or like some kind of scary serial killer
like some kind of scary serial killer
like some kind of scary serial killer and you know Kurt Danielson looked
and you know Kurt Danielson looked
and you know Kurt Danielson looked exactly the same you know like Ju Just
exactly the same you know like Ju Just
exactly the same you know like Ju Just as scary he looked like some kind of
as scary he looked like some kind of
as scary he looked like some kind of crazy redneck Lumberjack or something
crazy redneck Lumberjack or something
crazy redneck Lumberjack or something and they just looked dangerous and there
and they just looked dangerous and there
and they just looked dangerous and there was nothing cute about them they were
was nothing cute about them they were
was nothing cute about them they were really really scary looking band I hope
really really scary looking band I hope
really really scary looking band I hope I didn't offend any of your college YY
I didn't offend any of your college YY
I didn't offend any of your college YY types and Kan your mother says your turn
types and Kan your mother says your turn
types and Kan your mother says your turn up turns into a casserole at midnight
up turns into a casserole at midnight
up turns into a casserole at midnight your turns into a pumpkin at
your turns into a pumpkin at
your turns into a pumpkin at one and you better not go home with Bill
one and you better not go home with Bill
one and you better not go home with Bill I'm going to spank
I'm going to spank
I'm going to spank your in reality you know he was so
your in reality you know he was so
your in reality you know he was so different from the character that was
different from the character that was
different from the character that was being concocted I mean I I I remember
being concocted I mean I I I remember
being concocted I mean I I I remember going out uh taking some pictures on the
going out uh taking some pictures on the
going out uh taking some pictures on the set of their wood goblins
set of their wood goblins
set of their wood goblins video and I had to show Tad how to like
video and I had to show Tad how to like
video and I had to show Tad how to like you know start up the chainsaw we all
you know start up the chainsaw we all
you know start up the chainsaw we all knew that that's not really Tad who Tad
knew that that's not really Tad who Tad
knew that that's not really Tad who Tad is but of course you know the label and
is but of course you know the label and
is but of course you know the label and the band to a degree you know wanted to
the band to a degree you know wanted to
the band to a degree you know wanted to play that
play that
play that up I think the guys in subpop thought
up I think the guys in subpop thought
up I think the guys in subpop thought this was cute it pissed me off and all
this was cute it pissed me off and all
this was cute it pissed me off and all the interviews we did for that year or
the interviews we did for that year or
the interviews we did for that year or afterwards I would always make a point
afterwards I would always make a point
afterwards I would always make a point the band sound guard make a point of
the band sound guard make a point of
the band sound guard make a point of saying this guy is like brilliant and
saying this guy is like brilliant and
saying this guy is like brilliant and he's like smart as hell and the whole
he's like smart as hell and the whole
he's like smart as hell and the whole band is smart as hell but the
band is smart as hell but the
band is smart as hell but the initial Mark I think the initial
initial Mark I think the initial
initial Mark I think the initial single had like on the label Tad
single had like on the label Tad
single had like on the label Tad scrawling you know like backward letters
scrawling you know like backward letters
scrawling you know like backward letters Hi my name is Tad trying to Market this
Hi my name is Tad trying to Market this
Hi my name is Tad trying to Market this sort of uh you know folky Savant sort of
sort of uh you know folky Savant sort of
sort of uh you know folky Savant sort of character you know kind of huge
character you know kind of huge
character you know kind of huge monster of a man who somehow makes his
monster of a man who somehow makes his
monster of a man who somehow makes his beautiful music people give too much
beautiful music people give too much
beautiful music people give too much emphasis on the personal story which is
emphasis on the personal story which is
emphasis on the personal story which is important with folk artists and and in
important with folk artists and and in
important with folk artists and and in popular culture But ultimately you know
popular culture But ultimately you know
popular culture But ultimately you know who does the work stand on its own is it
who does the work stand on its own is it
who does the work stand on its own is it beautiful we definitely wanted to be
beautiful we definitely wanted to be
beautiful we definitely wanted to be exploited there was no question about it
exploited there was no question about it
exploited there was no question about it um and there we didn't have many
um and there we didn't have many
um and there we didn't have many Scruples about how it was done uh so
Scruples about how it was done uh so
Scruples about how it was done uh so long as it succeeded later perhaps we
long as it succeeded later perhaps we
long as it succeeded later perhaps we had some regrets that that we were boxed
had some regrets that that we were boxed
had some regrets that that we were boxed into this this grunge category and not
into this this grunge category and not
into this this grunge category and not only that that we're always being
only that that we're always being
only that that we're always being referred do as this band that was headed
referred do as this band that was headed
referred do as this band that was headed by a 300 lb ex butcher etc etc etc and
by a 300 lb ex butcher etc etc etc and
by a 300 lb ex butcher etc etc etc and we felt like uh that people came to see
we felt like uh that people came to see
we felt like uh that people came to see us for those reasons instead of the fact
us for those reasons instead of the fact
us for those reasons instead of the fact that we had songs that were worth
that we had songs that were worth
that we had songs that were worth listening to I think a lot of the Bands
listening to I think a lot of the Bands
listening to I think a lot of the Bands you know Nirvana and to a lesser degree
you know Nirvana and to a lesser degree
you know Nirvana and to a lesser degree Tad sort of resented it just hype you
Tad sort of resented it just hype you
Tad sort of resented it just hype you know and that hype I I've got to say
know and that hype I I've got to say
know and that hype I I've got to say helped Propel all of the Bands I don't
helped Propel all of the Bands I don't
helped Propel all of the Bands I don't it's by no means
it's by no means
it's by no means solely responsible I think as the years
solely responsible I think as the years
solely responsible I think as the years went by he came to
went by he came to
went by he came to appreciate you know that there's a
appreciate you know that there's a
appreciate you know that there's a certain
certain
certain Artistry in in the
Artistry in in the
Artistry in in the creation of the mythology this is hate
creation of the mythology this is hate
creation of the mythology this is hate number 17 is where he appeared and um at
number 17 is where he appeared and um at
number 17 is where he appeared and um at the time the TV show The Simpsons
the time the TV show The Simpsons
the time the TV show The Simpsons started having a lot of celebrity guest
started having a lot of celebrity guest
started having a lot of celebrity guest stars so I thought it'd be funny since I
stars so I thought it'd be funny since I
stars so I thought it'd be funny since I just did this lowly cruddy comic book to
just did this lowly cruddy comic book to
just did this lowly cruddy comic book to do the same to have a celebrity gu star
do the same to have a celebrity gu star
do the same to have a celebrity gu star so I I um wrote Tad into this one story
so I I um wrote Tad into this one story
so I I um wrote Tad into this one story and uh the idea behind it was um the
and uh the idea behind it was um the
and uh the idea behind it was um the main character in the comic uh in in in
main character in the comic uh in in in
main character in the comic uh in in in hey buddy Bradley he had this friend
hey buddy Bradley he had this friend
hey buddy Bradley he had this friend named stinky and stinky is the type of
named stinky and stinky is the type of
named stinky and stinky is the type of guy that even though the average person
guy that even though the average person
guy that even though the average person never heard of Ted you know to stinky
never heard of Ted you know to stinky
never heard of Ted you know to stinky that would be like meeting a God you
that would be like meeting a God you
that would be like meeting a God you know it's like oh my God it's it's Tad I
know it's like oh my God it's it's Tad I
know it's like oh my God it's it's Tad I can't believe it and the other thing
can't believe it and the other thing
can't believe it and the other thing that was very funny is because Tad had
that was very funny is because Tad had
that was very funny is because Tad had used to have this reputation of being a
used to have this reputation of being a
used to have this reputation of being a wild guy or a party animal a lot of
wild guy or a party animal a lot of
wild guy or a party animal a lot of people like younger people would always
people like younger people would always
people like younger people would always say I want to party with Tad that'd be a
say I want to party with Tad that'd be a
say I want to party with Tad that'd be a phrase that I used to hear a lot or like
phrase that I used to hear a lot or like
phrase that I used to hear a lot or like people would always ask me did you party
people would always ask me did you party
people would always ask me did you party with Tad I hear it's awesome to party
with Tad I hear it's awesome to party
with Tad I hear it's awesome to party with Tad I want to party with Tad and so
with Tad I want to party with Tad and so
with Tad I want to party with Tad and so I thought it'd be funny to have this
I thought it'd be funny to have this
I thought it'd be funny to have this character stinky meet him and say we're
character stinky meet him and say we're
character stinky meet him and say we're going to party with
going to party with
going to party with Dad so that's how that came about and of
Dad so that's how that came about and of
Dad so that's how that came about and of course as soon as the comic came out uh
course as soon as the comic came out uh
course as soon as the comic came out uh more people than not said who the hell
more people than not said who the hell
more people than not said who the hell is Dad
it's
Tad and it's totally
Tad and it's totally
Tad and it's totally heavy Tad available at awesome record
heavy Tad available at awesome record
heavy Tad available at awesome record stores near you on subpop the uh first
stores near you on subpop the uh first
stores near you on subpop the uh first official Tad release on
official Tad release on
official Tad release on subpop
subpop
subpop was the uh
the album called God's
balls and we thought it was you know
balls and we thought it was you know
balls and we thought it was you know cocky enough too and you know somewhat
shocking the band really had like a
shocking the band really had like a
shocking the band really had like a great sense of humor I remember um Ted
great sense of humor I remember um Ted
great sense of humor I remember um Ted coming in going this is the heaviest
coming in going this is the heaviest
coming in going this is the heaviest album title we could come up with was
album title we could come up with was
album title we could come up with was God's balls was just Kurt Danielson had
God's balls was just Kurt Danielson had
God's balls was just Kurt Danielson had a porno video that he saw and it was uh
a porno video that he saw and it was uh
a porno video that he saw and it was uh some priest getting a from a nun
some priest getting a from a nun
some priest getting a from a nun he would scream God's balls God's balls
he would scream God's balls God's balls
he would scream God's balls God's balls that feels good God's balls that feels
that feels good God's balls that feels
that feels good God's balls that feels good I thought God that's a great line
good I thought God that's a great line
good I thought God that's a great line and uh so I kept it in mind and when we
and uh so I kept it in mind and when we
and uh so I kept it in mind and when we were in the studio recording I I just
were in the studio recording I I just
were in the studio recording I I just mentioned it to to indino I said that's
mentioned it to to indino I said that's
mentioned it to to indino I said that's the title you have to use that title
the title you have to use that title
the title you have to use that title we'd make jokes about that and we always
we'd make jokes about that and we always
we'd make jokes about that and we always were making jokes about porno movies
were making jokes about porno movies
were making jokes about porno movies so that's where the title came from no
so that's where the title came from no
so that's where the title came from no know that the sgm really liked it that
know that the sgm really liked it that
know that the sgm really liked it that was
was
was a Seattle gay newspaper they really
a Seattle gay newspaper they really
a Seattle gay newspaper they really liked
liked
liked it
it
it my S
R
don't you
don't you
don't you will
will
will my I believe that John was was there uh
my I believe that John was was there uh
my I believe that John was was there uh for this particular session and I
for this particular session and I
for this particular session and I remember seeing him in the control room
remember seeing him in the control room
remember seeing him in the control room banging his
banging his
banging his head so I was really pleased to see a
head so I was really pleased to see a
head so I was really pleased to see a friend getting into the music Kurt had
friend getting into the music Kurt had
friend getting into the music Kurt had really good
really good
really good lyrics and we had good ideas that we
lyrics and we had good ideas that we
lyrics and we had good ideas that we just like we wanted to hammer uh just a
just like we wanted to hammer uh just a
just like we wanted to hammer uh just a riff you know and uh have a have a
riff you know and uh have a have a
riff you know and uh have a have a Groove to it too that was our main thing
Groove to it too that was our main thing
Groove to it too that was our main thing I think that's really what set us apart
I think that's really what set us apart
I think that's really what set us apart from a lot of bands the rest of the
from a lot of bands the rest of the
from a lot of bands the rest of the subpop crowd was was all about the
subpop crowd was was all about the
subpop crowd was was all about the keep it simple keep it basic keep it
keep it simple keep it basic keep it
keep it simple keep it basic keep it rocking sort of thing and Tad's thing
rocking sort of thing and Tad's thing
rocking sort of thing and Tad's thing was always to try and go a little
was always to try and go a little
was always to try and go a little further you know let's play around with
further you know let's play around with
further you know let's play around with Melody experiment with arrangements and
Melody experiment with arrangements and
Melody experiment with arrangements and still keep it brutal Kurt and I when we
still keep it brutal Kurt and I when we
still keep it brutal Kurt and I when we started playing together we decided that
started playing together we decided that
started playing together we decided that we wanted to we want to be as low and
we wanted to we want to be as low and
we wanted to we want to be as low and and and nasty we were going for the
and and nasty we were going for the
and and nasty we were going for the brown note you know and we used to make
brown note you know and we used to make
brown note you know and we used to make jokes about that you know like what
jokes about that you know like what
jokes about that you know like what happened to your concer last night well
happened to your concer last night well
happened to your concer last night well three people their pants and here
three people their pants and here
three people their pants and here we were uh working working together as a
we were uh working working together as a
we were uh working working together as a band uh after meeting only two weeks
band uh after meeting only two weeks
band uh after meeting only two weeks before and having only practiced a few
before and having only practiced a few
before and having only practiced a few times and boom the stuff just came
times and boom the stuff just came
times and boom the stuff just came [Music]
[Music]
[Music] out on bris pav just really wanted to to
out on bris pav just really wanted to to
out on bris pav just really wanted to to feature Tad and you know his sort of
feature Tad and you know his sort of
feature Tad and you know his sort of almost like a mug shot kind of of thing
almost like a mug shot kind of of thing
almost like a mug shot kind of of thing and uh really play up the personality of
and uh really play up the personality of
and uh really play up the personality of of this individual I remember my mom
of this individual I remember my mom
of this individual I remember my mom when I showed her the record when she
when I showed her the record when she
when I showed her the record when she was still alive she goes she saw the
was still alive she goes she saw the
was still alive she goes she saw the picture and she saw me smiling she goes
picture and she saw me smiling she goes
picture and she saw me smiling she goes oh you look so good and then she saw the
oh you look so good and then she saw the
oh you look so good and then she saw the title she say oh Dad how could you why
title she say oh Dad how could you why
title she say oh Dad how could you why why did you name the record that and it
why did you name the record that and it
why did you name the record that and it was disappointing for reason but then
was disappointing for reason but then
was disappointing for reason but then she'd go back and like well you're
she'd go back and like well you're
she'd go back and like well you're smiling that looks good that's nice nice
smiling that looks good that's nice nice
smiling that looks good that's nice nice boy
boy
boy uh this is
uh this is
uh this is [Music]
Tad there was always a a really great
Tad there was always a a really great
Tad there was always a a really great crowd reaction at Tad
crowd reaction at Tad
crowd reaction at Tad gigs I think Tad was really the really
gigs I think Tad was really the really
gigs I think Tad was really the really good at at working up the audience
good at at working up the audience
good at at working up the audience actually some of the the best photos I
actually some of the the best photos I
actually some of the the best photos I got were of Kurt the bass player and
got were of Kurt the bass player and
got were of Kurt the bass player and he's actually featured in my book touch
he's actually featured in my book touch
he's actually featured in my book touch bam sick there's a double page spread
bam sick there's a double page spread
bam sick there's a double page spread one where he's smoking out of a bong and
one where he's smoking out of a bong and
one where he's smoking out of a bong and then the other where later that evening
then the other where later that evening
then the other where later that evening he's he's on stage he had an amazing
he's he's on stage he had an amazing
he's he's on stage he had an amazing presence you know as far as being a bass
presence you know as far as being a bass
presence you know as far as being a bass player goes I know that Tad and Kurt
player goes I know that Tad and Kurt
player goes I know that Tad and Kurt were kind of always the core of the band
were kind of always the core of the band
were kind of always the core of the band and those guys seemed closer than
and those guys seemed closer than
and those guys seemed closer than anybody else funny as and very well
anybody else funny as and very well
anybody else funny as and very well read highly educated and uh great
read highly educated and uh great
read highly educated and uh great songwriter he was uh getting an English
songwriter he was uh getting an English
songwriter he was uh getting an English degree and he was very focused on
degree and he was very focused on
degree and he was very focused on becoming a poet so you know he used to
becoming a poet so you know he used to
becoming a poet so you know he used to kind of hang out at this uh this is kind
kind of hang out at this uh this is kind
kind of hang out at this uh this is kind of before espresso blew up really huge
of before espresso blew up really huge
of before espresso blew up really huge this coffee shop called the Allegro
this coffee shop called the Allegro
this coffee shop called the Allegro drinking espresso hanging out with a
drinking espresso hanging out with a
drinking espresso hanging out with a bnch bunch of beatnik types you know
bnch bunch of beatnik types you know
bnch bunch of beatnik types you know he'd wore like a beret on occasion like
he'd wore like a beret on occasion like
he'd wore like a beret on occasion like Kurt Danielson went from this guy who
Kurt Danielson went from this guy who
Kurt Danielson went from this guy who was like sipping APR so going to poetry
was like sipping APR so going to poetry
was like sipping APR so going to poetry readings uh you know very nice very nice
readings uh you know very nice very nice
readings uh you know very nice very nice wearing a beret to
wearing a beret to
wearing a beret to uh this guy who made this t-shirt hand
uh this guy who made this t-shirt hand
uh this guy who made this t-shirt hand scrolled in giant letters stinky
scrolled in giant letters stinky
scrolled in giant letters stinky stinks stinky stinks on it and
stinks stinky stinks on it and
stinks stinky stinks on it and it's like dude you are as politically
it's like dude you are as politically
it's like dude you are as politically incorrect as any human being I have ever
incorrect as any human being I have ever
incorrect as any human being I have ever met it was like he just tossed his uh
met it was like he just tossed his uh
met it was like he just tossed his uh balir and Ry books out the window and
balir and Ry books out the window and
balir and Ry books out the window and said it if somebody in 1989 said
said it if somebody in 1989 said
said it if somebody in 1989 said yeah I know Kurt I'm buddies with Kurt
yeah I know Kurt I'm buddies with Kurt
yeah I know Kurt I'm buddies with Kurt it was Kurt Danielson not Kurt
it was Kurt Danielson not Kurt
it was Kurt Danielson not Kurt Cobain you ready Kurt Danielson was a
Cobain you ready Kurt Danielson was a
Cobain you ready Kurt Danielson was a very popular musician a friendly guy had
very popular musician a friendly guy had
very popular musician a friendly guy had been in a number of bands very talented
been in a number of bands very talented
been in a number of bands very talented musician had a great amount of respect
musician had a great amount of respect
musician had a great amount of respect and when people said Kurt's got a new
and when people said Kurt's got a new
and when people said Kurt's got a new band they were talking about Danielson
band they were talking about Danielson
band they were talking about Danielson and not Cobain
and not Cobain
and not Cobain [Music]
that was the best and most effective
that was the best and most effective
that was the best and most effective Sonic representation of the way that the
Sonic representation of the way that the
Sonic representation of the way that the Tad band sound actually sounded live and
Tad band sound actually sounded live and
Tad band sound actually sounded live and uh I think Steve Albini just completely
uh I think Steve Albini just completely
uh I think Steve Albini just completely understood the
understood the
understood the band we were tired when we came back we
band we were tired when we came back we
band we were tired when we came back we put a lot into it we poured ourselves
put a lot into it we poured ourselves
put a lot into it we poured ourselves into it and you know we did this EP you
into it and you know we did this EP you
into it and you know we did this EP you eight seven songs in 3 days recording
eight seven songs in 3 days recording
eight seven songs in 3 days recording and mixing it was it was like the
and mixing it was it was like the
and mixing it was it was like the recording of an accident of a car
recording of an accident of a car
recording of an accident of a car accident nothing rehearsed it was just a
accident nothing rehearsed it was just a
accident nothing rehearsed it was just a collision and it was on tape when we got
collision and it was on tape when we got
collision and it was on tape when we got you know the rough mixes of that I this
you know the rough mixes of that I this
you know the rough mixes of that I this is back in the age of cassette tapes I I
is back in the age of cassette tapes I I
is back in the age of cassette tapes I I wore that tape down in like two weeks I
wore that tape down in like two weeks I
wore that tape down in like two weeks I had listen to it over and over and over
had listen to it over and over and over
had listen to it over and over and over and
and
and [Music]
over she got a to be she's got an A to
over she got a to be she's got an A to
over she got a to be she's got an A to she's blower
she 2
she 2
she 2 [Music]
well the name of my Kurt Cobain
well the name of my Kurt Cobain
well the name of my Kurt Cobain biography heavier than Heaven comes from
biography heavier than Heaven comes from
biography heavier than Heaven comes from a line that I liked that I discovered uh
a line that I liked that I discovered uh
a line that I liked that I discovered uh was what English journalists had
was what English journalists had
was what English journalists had nicknamed the tour of Tad and Nirvana
nicknamed the tour of Tad and Nirvana
nicknamed the tour of Tad and Nirvana that went through England early in their
that went through England early in their
that went through England early in their careers they called it the heavier than
careers they called it the heavier than
careers they called it the heavier than Heaven tour and that name came both from
Heaven tour and that name came both from
Heaven tour and that name came both from the fact that the sound of the bands was
the fact that the sound of the bands was
the fact that the sound of the bands was very very heavy it came from Tad's girth
very very heavy it came from Tad's girth
very very heavy it came from Tad's girth this was a heavy band and it also came
this was a heavy band and it also came
this was a heavy band and it also came from the sort of ethereal sound that
from the sort of ethereal sound that
from the sort of ethereal sound that that some of I think Kurt Cobain's
that some of I think Kurt Cobain's
that some of I think Kurt Cobain's songwriting was already starting to
songwriting was already starting to
songwriting was already starting to approach that tour with Tad was the tour
approach that tour with Tad was the tour
approach that tour with Tad was the tour you know these were the neutron bomb
you know these were the neutron bomb
you know these were the neutron bomb bands of of Seattle
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it was good cuz we'd seen these guys
it was good cuz we'd seen these guys
it was good cuz we'd seen these guys play and they they became good friends
play and they they became good friends
play and they they became good friends here on state side and then we're going
here on state side and then we're going
here on state side and then we're going over to Europe together on a
over to Europe together on a
over to Europe together on a co-headlining tour as a band you get to
co-headlining tour as a band you get to
co-headlining tour as a band you get to know your fellow band members and if you
know your fellow band members and if you
know your fellow band members and if you go out with with another band then you
go out with with another band then you
go out with with another band then you get to know them just as if they were in
get to know them just as if they were in
get to know them just as if they were in your band too especially since we were
your band too especially since we were
your band too especially since we were sharing the same van both bands were in
sharing the same van both bands were in
sharing the same van both bands were in this Euro van and they have the tall you
this Euro van and they have the tall you
this Euro van and they have the tall you know luggage area we had all our
know luggage area we had all our
know luggage area we had all our t-shirts all our gear all of us plus our
t-shirts all our gear all of us plus our
t-shirts all our gear all of us plus our sound man plus our driver all crammed in
sound man plus our driver all crammed in
sound man plus our driver all crammed in the same Fiat van the same standard Fiat
the same Fiat van the same standard Fiat
the same Fiat van the same standard Fiat van everybody tours in you know a big
van everybody tours in you know a big
van everybody tours in you know a big guy and uh Nova solich is a tall guy and
guy and uh Nova solich is a tall guy and
guy and uh Nova solich is a tall guy and I remember seeing him all hunched up
I remember seeing him all hunched up
I remember seeing him all hunched up like in a seat like this wherever cuz
like in a seat like this wherever cuz
like in a seat like this wherever cuz they're small seats you know so we were
they're small seats you know so we were
they're small seats you know so we were all just crammed in this van there was
all just crammed in this van there was
all just crammed in this van there was really any room to even move the stories
really any room to even move the stories
really any room to even move the stories that people told me it was literally
that people told me it was literally
that people told me it was literally like the joking they say a Chinese fire
like the joking they say a Chinese fire
like the joking they say a Chinese fire drill if somebody had to go to the
drill if somebody had to go to the
drill if somebody had to go to the bathroom they had to unpack all the the
bathroom they had to unpack all the the
bathroom they had to unpack all the the gear maybe I might have had the best
gear maybe I might have had the best
gear maybe I might have had the best luck being the smallest of everybody
luck being the smallest of everybody
luck being the smallest of everybody there it was it was it was quite an
there it was it was it was quite an
there it was it was it was quite an experience it was a lot of work we were
experience it was a lot of work we were
experience it was a lot of work we were young and naive and we didn't care that
young and naive and we didn't care that
young and naive and we didn't care that we wanted to work our asses off we we
we wanted to work our asses off we we
we wanted to work our asses off we we wanted to sacrifice ourselves for the
wanted to sacrifice ourselves for the
wanted to sacrifice ourselves for the music we believed in and this was a
music we believed in and this was a
music we believed in and this was a chance to do it and I remembering
chance to do it and I remembering
chance to do it and I remembering playing in the UK with Nirvana and it's
playing in the UK with Nirvana and it's
playing in the UK with Nirvana and it's just just complete mehem kids dropping
just just complete mehem kids dropping
just just complete mehem kids dropping down from the the rafters one after the
down from the the rafters one after the
down from the the rafters one after the other just floating off the stages just
other just floating off the stages just
other just floating off the stages just like constantly didn't know what to make
like constantly didn't know what to make
like constantly didn't know what to make of it at the time like wow this was
of it at the time like wow this was
of it at the time like wow this was pretty bizarre
because we have hindsight you know
because we have hindsight you know
because we have hindsight you know Nirvana went and became huge everyone
Nirvana went and became huge everyone
Nirvana went and became huge everyone thinks that that tour and many of those
thinks that that tour and many of those
thinks that that tour and many of those early shows that all anyone talked about
early shows that all anyone talked about
early shows that all anyone talked about Was Nirvana and that's not true at all
Was Nirvana and that's not true at all
Was Nirvana and that's not true at all Tad got just as much ink and attention
Tad got just as much ink and attention
Tad got just as much ink and attention as Nirvana did you know on that that
as Nirvana did you know on that that
as Nirvana did you know on that that tour they were truly co-headliners it
tour they were truly co-headliners it
tour they were truly co-headliners it wasn't that Nirvana was even bigger than
wasn't that Nirvana was even bigger than
wasn't that Nirvana was even bigger than Tad there was one person that you could
Tad there was one person that you could
Tad there was one person that you could pull out and go okay we wanted to do a
pull out and go okay we wanted to do a
pull out and go okay we wanted to do a photo shoot with this guy because he
photo shoot with this guy because he
photo shoot with this guy because he embodies the this kind of Northwest
embodies the this kind of Northwest
embodies the this kind of Northwest Americana I think the British audience
Americana I think the British audience
Americana I think the British audience was getting really fed up with the the
was getting really fed up with the the
was getting really fed up with the the lightness of a lot of the Indie British
lightness of a lot of the Indie British
lightness of a lot of the Indie British pop that was coming out what was really
pop that was coming out what was really
pop that was coming out what was really fun is you know we were switching off
fun is you know we were switching off
fun is you know we were switching off night after night there you know one
night after night there you know one
night after night there you know one night Tad would headline then and then
night Tad would headline then and then
night Tad would headline then and then the next night we would and then just go
the next night we would and then just go
the next night we would and then just go back and forth I remember it took
back and forth I remember it took
back and forth I remember it took Nirvana took us a about a week or so a
Nirvana took us a about a week or so a
Nirvana took us a about a week or so a couple weeks into the tour to finally
couple weeks into the tour to finally
couple weeks into the tour to finally kind of find our groove and start
kind of find our groove and start
kind of find our groove and start playing well like just making the
playing well like just making the
playing well like just making the transition it took a while to get up to
transition it took a while to get up to
transition it took a while to get up to get up to speed but then we started
get up to speed but then we started
get up to speed but then we started playing well and see we would open for
playing well and see we would open for
playing well and see we would open for Tad in the UK because Tad were in the
Tad in the UK because Tad were in the
Tad in the UK because Tad were in the music newspapers and so we were like the
music newspapers and so we were like the
music newspapers and so we were like the opening act and we had lots of great
opening act and we had lots of great
opening act and we had lots of great conversations we came we became Brothers
conversations we came we became Brothers
conversations we came we became Brothers I remember you know uh Kurt telling me
I remember you know uh Kurt telling me
I remember you know uh Kurt telling me the stories of that tour and and he lit
the stories of that tour and and he lit
the stories of that tour and and he lit up like you never saw him lit up he
up like you never saw him lit up he
up like you never saw him lit up he described so wonderfully when Tad also
described so wonderfully when Tad also
described so wonderfully when Tad also was vomiting a lot and and Cobain became
was vomiting a lot and and Cobain became
was vomiting a lot and and Cobain became just fascinated with it Kurt would
just fascinated with it Kurt would
just fascinated with it Kurt would always light up during that time and
always light up during that time and
always light up during that time and like get up from laying down you know
like get up from laying down you know
like get up from laying down you know laying down backstage and hold the
laying down backstage and hold the
laying down backstage and hold the bucket for me and laugh he enjoyed them
bucket for me and laugh he enjoyed them
bucket for me and laugh he enjoyed them more than anybody else did certainly I
more than anybody else did certainly I
more than anybody else did certainly I think more than Dad
think more than Dad
think more than Dad did we great it you know like how was
did we great it you know like how was
did we great it you know like how was that one well I'd say you know on chunk
that one well I'd say you know on chunk
that one well I'd say you know on chunk wise it was a seven and and he says
wise it was a seven and and he says
wise it was a seven and and he says you're you got tears coming out of your
you're you got tears coming out of your
you're you got tears coming out of your eyes I'd say that's good one for
eyes I'd say that's good one for
eyes I'd say that's good one for velocity and Kurt had a great amount of
velocity and Kurt had a great amount of
velocity and Kurt had a great amount of respect for Tad and for everybody in
respect for Tad and for everybody in
respect for Tad and for everybody in that band Tad as I ride in heavier than
that band Tad as I ride in heavier than
that band Tad as I ride in heavier than heaven in some ways became Kurt's Muse
heaven in some ways became Kurt's Muse
heaven in some ways became Kurt's Muse for a couple of months he wrote you know
for a couple of months he wrote you know
for a couple of months he wrote you know a couple of songs about Tad at least
a couple of songs about Tad at least
a couple of songs about Tad at least about the weird bodily fluids
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they rejected Uh Wood goblins because
they rejected Uh Wood goblins because
they rejected Uh Wood goblins because according to them it was too
according to them it was too
according to them it was too ugly which was we we kind of thought
ugly which was we we kind of thought
ugly which was we we kind of thought kind of
kind of
kind of cool being too ugly for MTV during the
cool being too ugly for MTV during the
cool being too ugly for MTV during the era of uh Cherry Pie and skidrow and
era of uh Cherry Pie and skidrow and
era of uh Cherry Pie and skidrow and like that I don't know it's kind of
like that I don't know it's kind of
like that I don't know it's kind of cool
they aired a later video claiming
they aired a later video claiming
they aired a later video claiming claiming that that uh they had been uh
claiming that that uh they had been uh
claiming that that uh they had been uh criticized for not airing Tad videos but
criticized for not airing Tad videos but
criticized for not airing Tad videos but that's not true cuz we're going to air
that's not true cuz we're going to air
that's not true cuz we're going to air one right now and then they aired a
one right now and then they aired a
one right now and then they aired a later one that was not nearly as heavy
later one that was not nearly as heavy
later one that was not nearly as heavy or as
or as
or as [Music]
ugly and my boss was like yeah Tad Tad
ugly and my boss was like yeah Tad Tad
ugly and my boss was like yeah Tad Tad ripped out the urinal out of the wall
ripped out the urinal out of the wall
ripped out the urinal out of the wall damn it and I was like somebody ripped a
damn it and I was like somebody ripped a
damn it and I was like somebody ripped a Ural out of a wall and I was like Tad
Ural out of a wall and I was like Tad
Ural out of a wall and I was like Tad who's Tad does he work here he's the
who's Tad does he work here he's the
who's Tad does he work here he's the rock Lord and Master he really is
rock Lord and Master he really is
rock Lord and Master he really is everybody respects him as a musician
everybody respects him as a musician
everybody respects him as a musician he's a a musical genius um he studied
he's a a musical genius um he studied
he's a a musical genius um he studied classical percussion and mastered uh
classical percussion and mastered uh
classical percussion and mastered uh musical Theory so that when uh it came
musical Theory so that when uh it came
musical Theory so that when uh it came to playing Rock drums it was like
to playing Rock drums it was like
to playing Rock drums it was like stealing candy from a baby people who
stealing candy from a baby people who
stealing candy from a baby people who are fans of the band and don't know him
are fans of the band and don't know him
are fans of the band and don't know him at all they'd be might be surprised to
at all they'd be might be surprised to
at all they'd be might be surprised to know that he is hardly the scary insane
know that he is hardly the scary insane
know that he is hardly the scary insane guy that he portrays himself to be and
guy that he portrays himself to be and
guy that he portrays himself to be and he's like one of the sweetest funniest
he's like one of the sweetest funniest
he's like one of the sweetest funniest kindest people I've ever met when I
kindest people I've ever met when I
kindest people I've ever met when I finally got to meet him he he said
finally got to meet him he he said
finally got to meet him he he said something like um hi my name is
something like um hi my name is
something like um hi my name is uh Thomas Doyle nice to meet you and he
uh Thomas Doyle nice to meet you and he
uh Thomas Doyle nice to meet you and he was like the nicest dude I ever met in
was like the nicest dude I ever met in
was like the nicest dude I ever met in my life I couldn't imagine that he was
my life I couldn't imagine that he was
my life I couldn't imagine that he was the urinal Destroyer you know that I
the urinal Destroyer you know that I
the urinal Destroyer you know that I heard about well when Ted comes at you
heard about well when Ted comes at you
heard about well when Ted comes at you and speaks to you for the first time uh
and speaks to you for the first time uh
and speaks to you for the first time uh and you don't know what to expect if
and you don't know what to expect if
and you don't know what to expect if he's angry he's really tells you what's
he's angry he's really tells you what's
he's angry he's really tells you what's on his mind but the big thing about Ted
on his mind but the big thing about Ted
on his mind but the big thing about Ted is he's a Huggy Bear he's a real
is he's a Huggy Bear he's a real
is he's a Huggy Bear he's a real pussycat and if you get to know Ted you
pussycat and if you get to know Ted you
pussycat and if you get to know Ted you basically you're running you're dealing
basically you're running you're dealing
basically you're running you're dealing with one of the nicest guys you'll ever
with one of the nicest guys you'll ever
with one of the nicest guys you'll ever me in your life I can't think of one
me in your life I can't think of one
me in your life I can't think of one person and I'm not saying this as simply
person and I'm not saying this as simply
person and I'm not saying this as simply as a bump but in 20 years I can't think
as a bump but in 20 years I can't think
as a bump but in 20 years I can't think of anyone who had uh had a personal
of anyone who had uh had a personal
of anyone who had uh had a personal criticism with a guy he was someone that
criticism with a guy he was someone that
criticism with a guy he was someone that everyone always loved and every band had
everyone always loved and every band had
everyone always loved and every band had had its you
had its you
had its you know I might have been that guy for a
know I might have been that guy for a
know I might have been that guy for a bit who knows I think our band kind kind
bit who knows I think our band kind kind
bit who knows I think our band kind kind of rotated the you know but T
of rotated the you know but T
of rotated the you know but T Tad wasn't that many people will cite
Tad wasn't that many people will cite
Tad wasn't that many people will cite 8way Santa as being
8way Santa as being
8way Santa as being you know the defining record and in many
you know the defining record and in many
you know the defining record and in many ways it really was it was very versatile
ways it really was it was very versatile
ways it really was it was very versatile some amazing memorable songs on
some amazing memorable songs on
some amazing memorable songs on the record working with Butch fig you
the record working with Butch fig you
the record working with Butch fig you know this is ahead of his recording
know this is ahead of his recording
know this is ahead of his recording never
mind so it's a great sounding record the
mind so it's a great sounding record the
mind so it's a great sounding record the band's very confident you know there was
band's very confident you know there was
band's very confident you know there was a lot of um internal distress during the
a lot of um internal distress during the
a lot of um internal distress during the recording of that record I know that
recording of that record I know that
recording of that record I know that that's that record led to the
that's that record led to the
that's that record led to the ultimate you know fragmenting of the of
ultimate you know fragmenting of the of
ultimate you know fragmenting of the of Tad mock
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[Applause] one we knew we had some really good
one we knew we had some really good
one we knew we had some really good songs and we really gotten our legs
songs and we really gotten our legs
songs and we really gotten our legs together and we knew how each other were
together and we knew how each other were
together and we knew how each other were playing and this was Steve's last record
playing and this was Steve's last record
playing and this was Steve's last record he
he
he uh was I think not fully satisfied with
uh was I think not fully satisfied with
uh was I think not fully satisfied with the Direction the band was going in but
the Direction the band was going in but
the Direction the band was going in but I don't think he really knew what
I don't think he really knew what
I don't think he really knew what direction he wanted to go in himself he
direction he wanted to go in himself he
direction he wanted to go in himself he was not uh cooperative and didn't want
was not uh cooperative and didn't want
was not uh cooperative and didn't want to play at certain times of the day and
to play at certain times of the day and
to play at certain times of the day and it actually came down to a point where
it actually came down to a point where
it actually came down to a point where we had to get we had to get some things
we had to get we had to get some things
we had to get we had to get some things done and I said okay Steve I'm going to
done and I said okay Steve I'm going to
done and I said okay Steve I'm going to play drums then Tad had a
play drums then Tad had a
play drums then Tad had a very uh set idea of how he wanted the
very uh set idea of how he wanted the
very uh set idea of how he wanted the drums to be he really wanted Steve to
drums to be he really wanted Steve to
drums to be he really wanted Steve to just to lay down a solid foundation and
just to lay down a solid foundation and
just to lay down a solid foundation and that was it and there was a bit of a
that was it and there was a bit of a
that was it and there was a bit of a disagreement over this and um so Steve
disagreement over this and um so Steve
disagreement over this and um so Steve retired to the uh upstairs office and I
retired to the uh upstairs office and I
retired to the uh upstairs office and I think he drank maybe 14 beers and he
think he drank maybe 14 beers and he
think he drank maybe 14 beers and he came down and one take he played the the
came down and one take he played the the
came down and one take he played the the the drum part perfectly just the way Tad
the drum part perfectly just the way Tad
the drum part perfectly just the way Tad wanted
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[Music] drumming on the rest of the record is
drumming on the rest of the record is
drumming on the rest of the record is phenomenal just perfect uh but from that
phenomenal just perfect uh but from that
phenomenal just perfect uh but from that point onward he felt like he he was
point onward he felt like he he was
point onward he felt like he he was being told what to do and no longer was
being told what to do and no longer was
being told what to do and no longer was it a spontaneous natural thing and there
it a spontaneous natural thing and there
it a spontaneous natural thing and there was a bit of resentment and I think that
was a bit of resentment and I think that
was a bit of resentment and I think that was what contributed to his
decision man got no style he one in
decision man got no style he one in
decision man got no style he one in quite a while well we just got done um
quite a while well we just got done um
quite a while well we just got done um recording it in Madison and uh I I
recording it in Madison and uh I I
recording it in Madison and uh I I pretty much made my mind up at that
pretty much made my mind up at that
pretty much made my mind up at that point don't remember why but when we got
point don't remember why but when we got
point don't remember why but when we got back I did you know take the picture in
back I did you know take the picture in
back I did you know take the picture in the back of the album that the PE fair
the back of the album that the PE fair
the back of the album that the PE fair and that was it I'm done yeah little
and that was it I'm done yeah little
and that was it I'm done yeah little Vans and stuff and I mean I just miss
Vans and stuff and I mean I just miss
Vans and stuff and I mean I just miss Tom too much I guess if you're out on
Tom too much I guess if you're out on
Tom too much I guess if you're out on the road and you're away from home and
the road and you're away from home and
the road and you're away from home and you know you don't have the same bed
you know you don't have the same bed
you know you don't have the same bed every night you know the Comforts that
every night you know the Comforts that
every night you know the Comforts that most people enjoy it can get to you for
most people enjoy it can get to you for
most people enjoy it can get to you for that record I mean we we we'd been
that record I mean we we we'd been
that record I mean we we we'd been playing together and that's you know
playing together and that's you know
playing together and that's you know we're starting to get that you know that
we're starting to get that you know that
we're starting to get that you know that psychic thing that was happening the
psychic thing that was happening the
psychic thing that was happening the unspoken musical feel we're riding
unspoken musical feel we're riding
unspoken musical feel we're riding together as a unit it it was really a
together as a unit it it was really a
together as a unit it it was really a good special time for the band and it
good special time for the band and it
good special time for the band and it was uh before a lot of the uh craziness
was uh before a lot of the uh craziness
was uh before a lot of the uh craziness went on with the major label Feeding
went on with the major label Feeding
went on with the major label Feeding Frenzy in Seattle
Frenzy in Seattle
Frenzy in Seattle and uh it was good and it was innocent
and uh it was good and it was innocent
and uh it was good and it was innocent and it was honest and
and it was honest and
and it was honest and pure and
pure and
pure and uh it was
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[Music]
[Music] fun if you better leave me
fun if you better leave me
fun if you better leave me alone if you better get away
alone if you better get away
alone if you better get away better lick my
better lick my
better lick my wounds hope will die
wounds hope will die
wounds hope will die someday and you better give me a shot
someday and you better give me a shot
someday and you better give me a shot and you better say your
and you better say your
and you better say your spells and you better give me a lot and
spells and you better give me a lot and
spells and you better give me a lot and you better not ever
you better not ever
you better not ever tell but you can never Escape my voice
tell but you can never Escape my voice
tell but you can never Escape my voice and you can never Escape your choice you
and you can never Escape your choice you
and you can never Escape your choice you can never escape a
can never escape a
can never escape a back cuz you know there ain't no way
back cuz you know there ain't no way
back cuz you know there ain't no way back
back
back back no way
back no way
back no way back don't
back don't
back don't back don't
back we wanted to go out and promote
back we wanted to go out and promote
back we wanted to go out and promote that record uh right away but we
that record uh right away but we
that record uh right away but we couldn't because we didn't have a
couldn't because we didn't have a
couldn't because we didn't have a drummer
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so we did touring with him for 8way
so we did touring with him for 8way
so we did touring with him for 8way Santa please welcome
Santa please welcome
Santa please welcome [Applause]
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Tad
Tad
Tad yeah
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[Music] I
I
I yeah all
yeah all
yeah all [Music]
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[Music] well I think I lost my life I think I
well I think I lost my life I think I
well I think I lost my life I think I lost I think I lost
lost I think I lost
lost I think I lost tonight lost my
way yeah
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intense excitement that's what it's all
about well you know what I think we
about well you know what I think we
about well you know what I think we we're going to head over to uh Boise
we're going to head over to uh Boise
we're going to head over to uh Boise Idaho I
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[Applause] my I
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man that's
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[Music] beautiful I've enjoying one of my
beautiful I've enjoying one of my
beautiful I've enjoying one of my pastimes which is drinking in
pastimes which is drinking in
pastimes which is drinking in bed bottle
bed bottle
bed bottle here cup
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here
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[Music] we just hit the road we got to the venue
we just hit the road we got to the venue
we just hit the road we got to the venue and there was a phone call from our
and there was a phone call from our
and there was a phone call from our attorney and I I just knew it was bad
attorney and I I just knew it was bad
attorney and I I just knew it was bad news when you get a phone call from your
news when you get a phone call from your
news when you get a phone call from your attorney generally it's not good news
attorney generally it's not good news
attorney generally it's not good news and um and sure enough uh he said uh
and um and sure enough uh he said uh
and um and sure enough uh he said uh look you know that photograph that's on
look you know that photograph that's on
look you know that photograph that's on the cover those people
the cover those people
the cover those people um they they saw it and they're suing
um they they saw it and they're suing
um they they saw it and they're suing you
over to a friend's house and uh they
over to a friend's house and uh they
over to a friend's house and uh they they had been to a thrift store and they
they had been to a thrift store and they
they had been to a thrift store and they had a photo album they just bought the
had a photo album they just bought the
had a photo album they just bought the photo album so they could put photos in
photo album so they could put photos in
photo album so they could put photos in it but they already had photos in them
it but they already had photos in them
it but they already had photos in them we turned the page to this one shot and
we turned the page to this one shot and
we turned the page to this one shot and it was this woman and this
it was this woman and this
it was this woman and this man and the guy looked like he was in
man and the guy looked like he was in
man and the guy looked like he was in Nazareth you know he had the full-on big
Nazareth you know he had the full-on big
Nazareth you know he had the full-on big handlebar mustache and long hair and
handlebar mustache and long hair and
handlebar mustache and long hair and they're just both cooked to the gills
they're just both cooked to the gills
they're just both cooked to the gills they're both stoned you could tell they
they're both stoned you could tell they
they're both stoned you could tell they had that kind of I'd look to him and and
had that kind of I'd look to him and and
had that kind of I'd look to him and and the woman wasn't she was wearing a
the woman wasn't she was wearing a
the woman wasn't she was wearing a bandana for a bra and he was holding her
bandana for a bra and he was holding her
bandana for a bra and he was holding her and they were just grinning ear to
and they were just grinning ear to
and they were just grinning ear to ear took that photo and we showed it to
ear took that photo and we showed it to
ear took that photo and we showed it to Bruce and much like that look he saw
Bruce and much like that look he saw
Bruce and much like that look he saw when I played in The Single for the
when I played in The Single for the
when I played in The Single for the first time he's
first time he's
first time he's like oh my God this is awesome and he
like oh my God this is awesome and he
like oh my God this is awesome and he says can I take this and he took it and
says can I take this and he took it and
says can I take this and he took it and he had somebody do some enhan color
he had somebody do some enhan color
he had somebody do some enhan color enhancements and he to this day it's one
enhancements and he to this day it's one
enhancements and he to this day it's one of my favorite covers ever in the
of my favorite covers ever in the
of my favorite covers ever in the history of uh subpop little did we know
history of uh subpop little did we know
history of uh subpop little did we know though we should have considered it at
though we should have considered it at
though we should have considered it at the time this
the time this
the time this couple though they had split up they
couple though they had split up they
couple though they had split up they still were in the Seattle area and they
still were in the Seattle area and they
still were in the Seattle area and they went into Tower Records one of them went
went into Tower Records one of them went
went into Tower Records one of them went into Tower Records do you have this
into Tower Records do you have this
into Tower Records do you have this record and the clerk was like yeah we
record and the clerk was like yeah we
record and the clerk was like yeah we got like 20 or 30 of them right over
got like 20 or 30 of them right over
got like 20 or 30 of them right over here and this is not at a time of CDs
here and this is not at a time of CDs
here and this is not at a time of CDs this is still vinyl still quite
this is still vinyl still quite
this is still vinyl still quite prominent so this is Big Picture she's
prominent so this is Big Picture she's
prominent so this is Big Picture she's is like freaking out oh my God this is a
is like freaking out oh my God this is a
is like freaking out oh my God this is a part of my past I don't want to remember
part of my past I don't want to remember
part of my past I don't want to remember you go what the you know except
you go what the you know except
you go what the you know except they didn't say what the I think it
they didn't say what the I think it
they didn't say what the I think it they have become Born Again
they have become Born Again
they have become Born Again Christians so they were saying like what
Christians so they were saying like what
Christians so they were saying like what thy we had built up this head of
thy we had built up this head of
thy we had built up this head of steam and we finally get a story it was
steam and we finally get a story it was
steam and we finally get a story it was just the wrong story because at that
just the wrong story because at that
just the wrong story because at that point in time the bigger the record
point in time the bigger the record
point in time the bigger the record became the more damages they could sue
became the more damages they could sue
became the more damages they could sue us for so we're suddenly place where
us for so we're suddenly place where
us for so we're suddenly place where we're trying to no no no no no it's
we're trying to no no no no no it's
we're trying to no no no no no it's really it's a small record and uh it's
really it's a small record and uh it's
really it's a small record and uh it's going to stay a small record and they
going to stay a small record and they
going to stay a small record and they thought oh we're going to be
thought oh we're going to be
thought oh we're going to be millionaires after this or something
millionaires after this or something
millionaires after this or something like that I I have no idea what they
like that I I have no idea what they
like that I I have no idea what they thought typically when records are
thought typically when records are
thought typically when records are released they're going to do most of
released they're going to do most of
released they're going to do most of their sales in the first four to six
their sales in the first four to six
their sales in the first four to six weeks so to have your record pulled two
weeks so to have your record pulled two
weeks so to have your record pulled two weeks into it um that really it I think
weeks into it um that really it I think
weeks into it um that really it I think it it hurt Ted's career a bit and we had
it it hurt Ted's career a bit and we had
it it hurt Ted's career a bit and we had to re-engineer the artwork and get
to re-engineer the artwork and get
to re-engineer the artwork and get something back out and it was it was
something back out and it was it was
something back out and it was it was pretty challenging this is a big deal
pretty challenging this is a big deal
pretty challenging this is a big deal record this is a record where we were
record this is a record where we were
record this is a record where we were going to break Tad also at that time we
going to break Tad also at that time we
going to break Tad also at that time we released a CD single
released a CD single
released a CD single [Music]
[Music]
[Music] Jack
Jack
Jack Jack
Jack
Jack [Applause]
[Applause]
[Applause] Jack Jack
Jack Jack
Jack Jack [Music]
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[Music]
[Music] there was a particular employee who we
there was a particular employee who we
there was a particular employee who we let
let
let go who I remember just being hateful and
go who I remember just being hateful and
go who I remember just being hateful and I swear to God though I cannot prove it
I swear to God though I cannot prove it
I swear to God though I cannot prove it to this day that this particular
to this day that this particular
to this day that this particular employee made aware that we had
employee made aware that we had
employee made aware that we had infringed on their logo for the Jack
infringed on their logo for the Jack
infringed on their logo for the Jack single where we basically used the logo
single where we basically used the logo
single where we basically used the logo only we put Tad in the middle of the
only we put Tad in the middle of the
only we put Tad in the middle of the logo ex employee who was pissed off at
logo ex employee who was pissed off at
logo ex employee who was pissed off at the company otherwise we probably would
the company otherwise we probably would
the company otherwise we probably would have gotten away with it as our way of
have gotten away with it as our way of
have gotten away with it as our way of saying shouldn't have fired me Bros was
saying shouldn't have fired me Bros was
saying shouldn't have fired me Bros was not too stoked thinking that uh their
not too stoked thinking that uh their
not too stoked thinking that uh their name of their product would be involved
name of their product would be involved
name of their product would be involved in uh the possibility of drunk driving
in uh the possibility of drunk driving
in uh the possibility of drunk driving and so we heard from Council
and so we heard from Council
and so we heard from Council and they were like you know we're going
and they were like you know we're going
and they were like you know we're going to sue you for millions of
to sue you for millions of
to sue you for millions of dollars you know you're get out
dollars you know you're get out
dollars you know you're get out of the business go back to being a fry
of the business go back to being a fry
of the business go back to being a fry cook get out of our Lives get out of our
cook get out of our Lives get out of our
cook get out of our Lives get out of our face we're going to kill you crush you
face we're going to kill you crush you
face we're going to kill you crush you Etc the label still hadn't sold Nirvana
Etc the label still hadn't sold Nirvana
Etc the label still hadn't sold Nirvana or anything or maybe was about to but
or anything or maybe was about to but
or anything or maybe was about to but that's a lot of money to put out there
that's a lot of money to put out there
that's a lot of money to put out there and I think it really it really made it
and I think it really it really made it
and I think it really it really made it hard to get a second win to the record
hard to get a second win to the record
hard to get a second win to the record even though the record it was
even though the record it was
even though the record it was [Music]
amazing controversy sells if you have
amazing controversy sells if you have
amazing controversy sells if you have distribution unfortunately what Tad
distribution unfortunately what Tad
distribution unfortunately what Tad suffered from was controversy without
suffered from was controversy without
suffered from was controversy without distribution so suddenly you had all
distribution so suddenly you had all
distribution so suddenly you had all these people talking about this record
these people talking about this record
these people talking about this record that had pissed
that had pissed
that had pissed off um but that record couldn't be found
off um but that record couldn't be found
off um but that record couldn't be found anywhere and you know that was a very
anywhere and you know that was a very
anywhere and you know that was a very unfortunate incident I think over time
unfortunate incident I think over time
unfortunate incident I think over time it was more just a nuisance in in in
it was more just a nuisance in in in
it was more just a nuisance in in in retrospect you know
retrospect you know
retrospect you know because here was this like punk rock
because here was this like punk rock
because here was this like punk rock band SL metal band not out to like mess
band SL metal band not out to like mess
band SL metal band not out to like mess up anybody's life or anything you know
up anybody's life or anything you know
up anybody's life or anything you know we're just out doing what we do and
we're just out doing what we do and
we're just out doing what we do and having fun doing it and all of a sudden
having fun doing it and all of a sudden
having fun doing it and all of a sudden we got all these
we got all these
we got all these weird chain of events
weird chain of events
weird chain of events happening it was really bizarre kind of
happening it was really bizarre kind of
happening it was really bizarre kind of comic looking back at it but at the time
comic looking back at it but at the time
comic looking back at it but at the time frustrating as
frustrating as
frustrating as hell P loves me this I know cuz Bruce
hell P loves me this I know cuz Bruce
hell P loves me this I know cuz Bruce pav told me
so the are weak and they are strong yes
so the are weak and they are strong yes
so the are weak and they are strong yes pman loves
pman loves
pman loves me yes pman loves
me yes pman loves
me yes pman loves me yes pman loves me you know why now
me yes pman loves me you know why now
me yes pman loves me you know why now cuz Bruce pavit told me so
by this time there had been so much uh
by this time there had been so much uh
by this time there had been so much uh frustration uh and so much uh ranker and
frustration uh and so much uh ranker and
frustration uh and so much uh ranker and and bitter feeling uh that was really
and bitter feeling uh that was really
and bitter feeling uh that was really nobody's fault um but it it had to find
nobody's fault um but it it had to find
nobody's fault um but it it had to find a Target somewhere and generally bands
a Target somewhere and generally bands
a Target somewhere and generally bands rail against their labels so and a tried
rail against their labels so and a tried
rail against their labels so and a tried and true tradition and we did the same
and true tradition and we did the same
and true tradition and we did the same we would have been happy to stay with
we would have been happy to stay with
we would have been happy to stay with sub pop had they
sub pop had they
sub pop had they been had they appeared to be financially
been had they appeared to be financially
been had they appeared to be financially solvent but it was getting to be like
solvent but it was getting to be like
solvent but it was getting to be like they were owing so much money to so many
they were owing so much money to so many
they were owing so much money to so many different people around town to the
different people around town to the
different people around town to the bands we just saw it as a way of like
bands we just saw it as a way of like
bands we just saw it as a way of like saving our friendships with Bruce and
saving our friendships with Bruce and
saving our friendships with Bruce and Jonathan like well maybe we'll just like
Jonathan like well maybe we'll just like
Jonathan like well maybe we'll just like remove this sort
remove this sort
remove this sort of you know back away from the business
of you know back away from the business
of you know back away from the business side of things it's tough to be in a
side of things it's tough to be in a
side of things it's tough to be in a place where you're dealing with friends
place where you're dealing with friends
place where you're dealing with friends and having to talk about money you know
and having to talk about money you know
and having to talk about money you know especially when you want the best for
especially when you want the best for
especially when you want the best for your friends and you're just not able to
your friends and you're just not able to
your friends and you're just not able to do any more than you're able to do at a
do any more than you're able to do at a
do any more than you're able to do at a certain time you know at the time you
certain time you know at the time you
certain time you know at the time you know I felt a little
know I felt a little
know I felt a little indignant but even at the time I kind of
indignant but even at the time I kind of
indignant but even at the time I kind of went all right you know it's like we
went all right you know it's like we
went all right you know it's like we didn't have our stuff together we wanted
didn't have our stuff together we wanted
didn't have our stuff together we wanted to see if we could do something
to see if we could do something
to see if we could do something different you know and there was
different you know and there was
different you know and there was interest out there we had people
interest out there we had people
interest out there we had people knocking on our door you know wanting to
knocking on our door you know wanting to
knocking on our door you know wanting to to develop us the first thing was uh RCA
to develop us the first thing was uh RCA
to develop us the first thing was uh RCA BMG you know biggest record company in
BMG you know biggest record company in
BMG you know biggest record company in the world was interested partly what
the world was interested partly what
the world was interested partly what happened in our favor was like that
happened in our favor was like that
happened in our favor was like that Nirvana record was was blowing up big
Nirvana record was was blowing up big
Nirvana record was was blowing up big and this the Pearl Jam record was
and this the Pearl Jam record was
and this the Pearl Jam record was bubbling under at that point
and the people in the industry realized
and the people in the industry realized
and the people in the industry realized they had no idea what was going
they had no idea what was going
they had no idea what was going on all of a sudden you know it was like
on all of a sudden you know it was like
on all of a sudden you know it was like up a few months previous to that they
up a few months previous to that they
up a few months previous to that they could just sell Michael Jackson and Paul
could just sell Michael Jackson and Paul
could just sell Michael Jackson and Paul Abdul and CC Music Factory a lot of
Abdul and CC Music Factory a lot of
Abdul and CC Music Factory a lot of people were investing huge amounts of
people were investing huge amounts of
people were investing huge amounts of money into these bands
money into these bands
money into these bands thinking this is you know the next
thinking this is you know the next
thinking this is you know the next musical Revolution we're starting to
musical Revolution we're starting to
musical Revolution we're starting to realize that although we're having fun
realize that although we're having fun
realize that although we're having fun this could be a possibility of not
this could be a possibility of not
this could be a possibility of not having to work a day job ever again for
having to work a day job ever again for
having to work a day job ever again for a while that was our Dream really I mean
a while that was our Dream really I mean
a while that was our Dream really I mean we didn't plan on making a lot of money
we didn't plan on making a lot of money
we didn't plan on making a lot of money or or being rock stars the idea was to
or or being rock stars the idea was to
or or being rock stars the idea was to to play music for a living that's all I
to play music for a living that's all I
to play music for a living that's all I ever asked for that's all I ever wanted
ever asked for that's all I ever wanted
ever asked for that's all I ever wanted you know we were really leery of major
you know we were really leery of major
you know we were really leery of major labels you know I'd grown up through
labels you know I'd grown up through
labels you know I'd grown up through punk rock and hardcore and and you know
punk rock and hardcore and and you know
punk rock and hardcore and and you know major labels were nothing but evil they
major labels were nothing but evil they
major labels were nothing but evil they had it all like neatly packaged and
had it all like neatly packaged and
had it all like neatly packaged and defined and they knew what kind of thing
defined and they knew what kind of thing
defined and they knew what kind of thing was going to sell to the kids and all of
was going to sell to the kids and all of
was going to sell to the kids and all of a sudden they didn't know anymore so
a sudden they didn't know anymore so
a sudden they didn't know anymore so they let us when we signed War repri
they let us when we signed War repri
they let us when we signed War repri they let us
they let us
they let us do whatever the we wanted we
do whatever the we wanted we
do whatever the we wanted we recorded in the same house Studio that
recorded in the same house Studio that
recorded in the same house Studio that we recorded the previous record with a
we recorded the previous record with a
we recorded the previous record with a subpop all the rest of that money we
subpop all the rest of that money we
subpop all the rest of that money we kept you know that's how come I have
kept you know that's how come I have
kept you know that's how come I have this house there wasn't any pressure to
this house there wasn't any pressure to
this house there wasn't any pressure to to come up with anything you know Earth
to come up with anything you know Earth
to come up with anything you know Earth shattering or there was no delusions
shattering or there was no delusions
shattering or there was no delusions that we're going to sell billions of
that we're going to sell billions of
that we're going to sell billions of Records we always had the the attitude
Records we always had the the attitude
Records we always had the the attitude that we wanted to play our music and if
that we wanted to play our music and if
that we wanted to play our music and if somebody wanted to help us achieve that
somebody wanted to help us achieve that
somebody wanted to help us achieve that goal with their money and Financial
goal with their money and Financial
goal with their money and Financial backing and their press and their their
backing and their press and their their
backing and their press and their their radio
radio
radio expertise we're into it rusp never heard
expertise we're into it rusp never heard
expertise we're into it rusp never heard do the same thing up with the bike yeah
do the same thing up with the bike yeah
do the same thing up with the bike yeah yeah yeah yeah that's nice another
yeah yeah yeah that's nice another
yeah yeah yeah that's nice another one another one good
one another one good
one another one good it lift up the bike cross up we had uh
it lift up the bike cross up we had uh
it lift up the bike cross up we had uh Josh on drums and so we were kind of a
Josh on drums and so we were kind of a
Josh on drums and so we were kind of a new band we felt like a new Incarnation
new band we felt like a new Incarnation
new band we felt like a new Incarnation we had new blood and Josh was a few
we had new blood and Josh was a few
we had new blood and Josh was a few years younger than the rest of us in the
years younger than the rest of us in the
years younger than the rest of us in the beginning of ' 92 I just gotten out of
beginning of ' 92 I just gotten out of
beginning of ' 92 I just gotten out of the uh the accused I did this little
the uh the accused I did this little
the uh the accused I did this little demo at
demo at
demo at reciprocal um with Jack with just me
reciprocal um with Jack with just me
reciprocal um with Jack with just me playing the drums and it's like a little
playing the drums and it's like a little
playing the drums and it's like a little five minute or a little like 30 second
five minute or a little like 30 second
five minute or a little like 30 second clip then a few weeks later I got a call
clip then a few weeks later I got a call
clip then a few weeks later I got a call from Kurt Danielson asking you know do
from Kurt Danielson asking you know do
from Kurt Danielson asking you know do you want to come try out for the band
you want to come try out for the band
you want to come try out for the band you know real Snappy could play
you know real Snappy could play
you know real Snappy could play Lightning Fast and he played hard as
Lightning Fast and he played hard as
Lightning Fast and he played hard as hell I've never played with a drummer
hell I've never played with a drummer
hell I've never played with a drummer that played as hard as he does he was
that played as hard as he does he was
that played as hard as he does he was breaking regularly and that was
breaking regularly and that was
breaking regularly and that was really
really
really [Music]
[Music]
[Music] fun for this record we wanted to do
fun for this record we wanted to do
fun for this record we wanted to do something different um and we'd been
something different um and we'd been
something different um and we'd been friends with Jay Mascus from Dinosaur Jr
friends with Jay Mascus from Dinosaur Jr
friends with Jay Mascus from Dinosaur Jr ever since we played with those guys at
ever since we played with those guys at
ever since we played with those guys at the central in Seattle in 88 we had a
the central in Seattle in 88 we had a
the central in Seattle in 88 we had a major record deal and all this you know
major record deal and all this you know
major record deal and all this you know like a budget we were there for you know
like a budget we were there for you know
like a budget we were there for you know 2 weeks I went to the bank and uh and
2 weeks I went to the bank and uh and
2 weeks I went to the bank and uh and got a wire for 40 Grand yeah caring
got a wire for 40 Grand yeah caring
got a wire for 40 Grand yeah caring around a roll of fat cash was was a
around a roll of fat cash was was a
around a roll of fat cash was was a pleasure we spent it well a nothing but
pleasure we spent it well a nothing but
pleasure we spent it well a nothing but rock and
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roll Jay had a lot of good input
roll Jay had a lot of good input
roll Jay had a lot of good input most of the time Jay just sat with his
most of the time Jay just sat with his
most of the time Jay just sat with his sunglasses in the back in the couch and
sunglasses in the back in the couch and
sunglasses in the back in the couch and I swear to God most of the time he was
I swear to God most of the time he was
I swear to God most of the time he was taking naps because he had the
taking naps because he had the
taking naps because he had the sunglasses on he couldn't tell what his
sunglasses on he couldn't tell what his
sunglasses on he couldn't tell what his eyes were doing
eyes were doing
eyes were doing [Music]
[Music]
[Music] more riffing and uh my vocals were
more riffing and uh my vocals were
more riffing and uh my vocals were getting better
getting better
getting better [Music]
[Music]
[Music] [Applause]
[Applause]
[Applause] [Music]
[Music]
[Music]
[Music] even though it was for a major label
even though it was for a major label
even though it was for a major label nobody was breathing down our neck
nobody was breathing down our neck
nobody was breathing down our neck nobody came out to watch us or or or to
nobody came out to watch us or or or to
nobody came out to watch us or or or to to to be a watchdog or or to to make
to to be a watchdog or or to to make
to to be a watchdog or or to to make sure that we were weren't blowing the
sure that we were weren't blowing the
sure that we were weren't blowing the company money on cocaine or nothing like
company money on cocaine or nothing like
company money on cocaine or nothing like that the last hours of the session how
that the last hours of the session how
that the last hours of the session how do you feel there
do you feel there
do you feel there [Applause]
bud I don't think it's quite as bad as
bud I don't think it's quite as bad as
bud I don't think it's quite as bad as Gary portrays it to me that's one of my
Gary portrays it to me that's one of my
Gary portrays it to me that's one of my favorite records too I mean that one was
favorite records too I mean that one was
favorite records too I mean that one was like really turning point that was we
like really turning point that was we
like really turning point that was we started to go more into the the metal
started to go more into the the metal
started to go more into the the metal edge of that one our our chops were much
edge of that one our our chops were much
edge of that one our our chops were much better
too
late too late we're out with uh sound
late too late we're out with uh sound
late too late we're out with uh sound garden Allison Chains during that record
garden Allison Chains during that record
garden Allison Chains during that record you know we went out with really well
you know we went out with really well
you know we went out with really well known bands at the time you know and uh
known bands at the time you know and uh
known bands at the time you know and uh we're we were holding our
we're we were holding our
we're we were holding our own
own
own yeah hi back there's a rave that follows
yeah hi back there's a rave that follows
yeah hi back there's a rave that follows us wherever we go
Yeah
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[Music]
[Music] Boy take di de for
Boy take di de for
Boy take di de for yourself take di for your soul dick dick
yourself take di for your soul dick dick
yourself take di for your soul dick dick di like a fish dick Di
Jo made me get up and take that thing
Jo made me get up and take that thing
Jo made me get up and take that thing out of your hand and crack you over the
out of your hand and crack you over the
out of your hand and crack you over the head with
it what are you doing oh man I wish I
it what are you doing oh man I wish I
it what are you doing oh man I wish I [Music]
knews all right I did it I did it all
knews all right I did it I did it all
knews all right I did it I did it all it's great to be able to be up
it's great to be able to be up
it's great to be able to be up there and sound louder than God
there and sound louder than God
there and sound louder than God you know for few minutes
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[Music]
[Music]
I can't live down there the mayonnaise
I can't live down there the mayonnaise
I can't live down there the mayonnaise in the hair don't
in the hair don't
in the hair don't you oh you're
sick come on Ted right now bring that
sick come on Ted right now bring that
sick come on Ted right now bring that camera follow
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me what are you
me what are you
me what are you doing Kur are you encouraging this kind
doing Kur are you encouraging this kind
doing Kur are you encouraging this kind of behavior like I think it's good clean
of behavior like I think it's good clean
of behavior like I think it's good clean fun for kids today that you're
fun for kids today that you're
fun for kids today that you're garbage GS usually we check out our
garbage GS usually we check out our
garbage GS usually we check out our dressing room though it's like let's go
dressing room though it's like let's go
dressing room though it's like let's go over and see Tad and it's walking in you
over and see Tad and it's walking in you
over and see Tad and it's walking in you know somewhere in Canada or in Germany
know somewhere in Canada or in Germany
know somewhere in Canada or in Germany and and Tad and Josh and Kirk just
and and Tad and Josh and Kirk just
and and Tad and Josh and Kirk just sitting there just kind of that sort of
sitting there just kind of that sort of
sitting there just kind of that sort of well inv vied you know vacuous sort of
well inv vied you know vacuous sort of
well inv vied you know vacuous sort of stare glare there would have been a
stare glare there would have been a
stare glare there would have been a whole lot more fun if they were somehow
whole lot more fun if they were somehow
whole lot more fun if they were somehow responsive in in some kind I mean I mean
responsive in in some kind I mean I mean
responsive in in some kind I mean I mean Prett Gary was a blast cuz he was alert
Prett Gary was a blast cuz he was alert
Prett Gary was a blast cuz he was alert you know he knew what was going on the
you know he knew what was going on the
you know he knew what was going on the other guys are sort of like a wall of
other guys are sort of like a wall of
other guys are sort of like a wall of vacancy but it was amusing because
vacancy but it was amusing because
vacancy but it was amusing because they'd all walk out there and they you
they'd all walk out there and they you
they'd all walk out there and they you know and just blow
doors I'm still on drugs
doors I'm still on drugs
doors I'm still on drugs [Music]
[Music]
[Music] foring
foring
foring actually guy the green suit he's a
actually guy the green suit he's a
actually guy the green suit he's a liar he's an imp
liar he's an imp
liar he's an imp [Music]
I I just stay home and uh work on Taxi
I I just stay home and uh work on Taxi
I I just stay home and uh work on Taxi dermy projects uh I stuff badgers for a
dermy projects uh I stuff badgers for a
dermy projects uh I stuff badgers for a living I I mean we make money at this at
living I I mean we make money at this at
living I I mean we make money at this at the band but uh when during the lean
the band but uh when during the lean
the band but uh when during the lean times uh I sell a few stuffed Badgers on
times uh I sell a few stuffed Badgers on
times uh I sell a few stuffed Badgers on the side and make ends meat Ian you see
the side and make ends meat Ian you see
the side and make ends meat Ian you see the Press killed
the Press killed
the Press killed it well the Badgers were killed uh
it well the Badgers were killed uh
it well the Badgers were killed uh strangled but I'm talking
strangled but I'm talking
strangled but I'm talking about oh excuse me misunderstood
about oh excuse me misunderstood
about oh excuse me misunderstood there don't skip
there don't skip
there don't skip Mar the
Mar the
Mar the M all the
leapy no want to speak out loud no
leapy no want to speak out loud no
leapy no want to speak out loud no movement in the trees no love more Le
movement in the trees no love more Le
movement in the trees no love more Le saw the falling all the
live I got to
live I got to
live I got to know I
know I
know I got just want
all I'm got
all I'm got
all I'm got alone I got
alone I got
alone I got alone just
one MTV interview sat you got it
you can hold on to my back or something
you can hold on to my back or something
you can hold on to my back or something if you want hold my shirt with contacts
if you want hold my shirt with contacts
if you want hold my shirt with contacts I'm going to be yeah you just hurting
I'm going to be yeah you just hurting
I'm going to be yeah you just hurting tonight and
tonight and
tonight and then where I go to the bottom and then
then where I go to the bottom and then
then where I go to the bottom and then when I shoot out of the top you snap the
when I shoot out of the top you snap the
when I shoot out of the top you snap the picture but don't be too specific
picture but don't be too specific
picture but don't be too specific specific about the words cuz we're not
specific about the words cuz we're not
specific about the words cuz we're not sure what song I can just go habba Hab
sure what song I can just go habba Hab
sure what song I can just go habba Hab Hab habba that's good best muscle
why were we dropped it was never
why were we dropped it was never
why were we dropped it was never explained never clarified there's uh
explained never clarified there's uh
explained never clarified there's uh this
poster Tad it's heavy it's been
poster Tad it's heavy it's been
poster Tad it's heavy it's been claimed that this is the
claimed that this is the
claimed that this is the reason the labels were under a lot of
reason the labels were under a lot of
reason the labels were under a lot of pressure to clean up their act and start
pressure to clean up their act and start
pressure to clean up their act and start putting warning labels on records you
putting warning labels on records you
putting warning labels on records you know questionable material we had had
know questionable material we had had
know questionable material we had had nothing to do with this poster uh it it
nothing to do with this poster uh it it
nothing to do with this poster uh it it was just the brainchild of somebody who
was just the brainchild of somebody who
was just the brainchild of somebody who who was working for the promotional
who was working for the promotional
who was working for the promotional company that promoted the tour but we
company that promoted the tour but we
company that promoted the tour but we loved it we thought it was a great idea
loved it we thought it was a great idea
loved it we thought it was a great idea and beautifully executed that was a
and beautifully executed that was a
and beautifully executed that was a communication error between from what I
communication error between from what I
communication error between from what I understand between management and the
understand between management and the
understand between management and the label perhaps uh a
label perhaps uh a
label perhaps uh a butterfly uh moved its wings in
butterfly uh moved its wings in
butterfly uh moved its wings in Patagonia and that INF infuenced
Patagonia and that INF infuenced
Patagonia and that INF infuenced somebody at Giant I and a decision was
somebody at Giant I and a decision was
somebody at Giant I and a decision was made and we were dropped I I don't know
made and we were dropped I I don't know
made and we were dropped I I don't know could be anything um the fact is is that
could be anything um the fact is is that
could be anything um the fact is is that nobody ever explained it to
nobody ever explained it to
nobody ever explained it to us they cut off tour support and we
us they cut off tour support and we
us they cut off tour support and we stuck in Europe they pulled the the
stuck in Europe they pulled the the
stuck in Europe they pulled the the carpet out from under that one we felt
carpet out from under that one we felt
carpet out from under that one we felt like a curse was kind of like following
like a curse was kind of like following
like a curse was kind of like following the band like a a dark
the band like a a dark
the band like a a dark cloud hovering over us all the time and
cloud hovering over us all the time and
cloud hovering over us all the time and uh that we couldn't escape it and no
uh that we couldn't escape it and no
uh that we couldn't escape it and no matter what we did that it was cursed
matter what we did that it was cursed
matter what we did that it was cursed and we're just starting to get the
and we're just starting to get the
and we're just starting to get the feeling like what the hell is going on
feeling like what the hell is going on
feeling like what the hell is going on you know it's like you know we're
you know it's like you know we're
you know it's like you know we're starting to feel like
jinxed yeah he knows his though
jinxed yeah he knows his though
jinxed yeah he knows his though doesn't
[Applause]
he we've been together for quite quite a
he we've been together for quite quite a
he we've been together for quite quite a while and there was just some tension in
while and there was just some tension in
while and there was just some tension in the band I can't really explain it
the band I can't really explain it
the band I can't really explain it except for by saying that well I think
except for by saying that well I think
except for by saying that well I think musically we're just kind of like Kurt
musically we're just kind of like Kurt
musically we're just kind of like Kurt and I were wanting to head in a
and I were wanting to head in a
and I were wanting to head in a different direction and I don't know if
different direction and I don't know if
different direction and I don't know if Gary really was suited to that he
Gary really was suited to that he
Gary really was suited to that he probably was I don't think there
probably was I don't think there
probably was I don't think there was a strange division going on it
was a strange division going on it
was a strange division going on it wasn't like Gary did anything that
wasn't like Gary did anything that
wasn't like Gary did anything that warranted being kicked out out it wasn't
warranted being kicked out out it wasn't
warranted being kicked out out it wasn't like uh he quit in a in a fury and and
like uh he quit in a in a fury and and
like uh he quit in a in a fury and and Gary was probably the most sane guy out
Gary was probably the most sane guy out
Gary was probably the most sane guy out of us at the time there's a lot
of us at the time there's a lot
of us at the time there's a lot of not good drugs going
of not good drugs going
of not good drugs going on and uh I was personally I can speak
on and uh I was personally I can speak
on and uh I was personally I can speak for myself I was not the healthiest of
for myself I was not the healthiest of
for myself I was not the healthiest of mind and body and spirit at the time ktk
mind and body and spirit at the time ktk
mind and body and spirit at the time ktk kind of lost you
kind of lost you
kind of lost you know uh touch with being grounded and so
know uh touch with being grounded and so
know uh touch with being grounded and so did I I was right there with him on that
did I I was right there with him on that
did I I was right there with him on that Gary would have beers and stuff but he
Gary would have beers and stuff but he
Gary would have beers and stuff but he wasn't he wasn't really he wasn't into
wasn't he wasn't really he wasn't into
wasn't he wasn't really he wasn't into smoking Po and and doing drugs and stuff
smoking Po and and doing drugs and stuff
smoking Po and and doing drugs and stuff he was really a Gary is a good person
he was really a Gary is a good person
he was really a Gary is a good person it's a really important and strong role
it's a really important and strong role
it's a really important and strong role that Gary provided everyone knew that
that Gary provided everyone knew that
that Gary provided everyone knew that everyone in the other bands in the music
everyone in the other bands in the music
everyone in the other bands in the music Community knew that Gary keeps those
Community knew that Gary keeps those
Community knew that Gary keeps those guys sane and he's the guy who know you
guys sane and he's the guy who know you
guys sane and he's the guy who know you know who who directs him and keeps him f
know who who directs him and keeps him f
know who who directs him and keeps him f Focus uh I tend to sort of blame myself
Focus uh I tend to sort of blame myself
Focus uh I tend to sort of blame myself that maybe if IID worked harder uh could
that maybe if IID worked harder uh could
that maybe if IID worked harder uh could have smoed things over and and gotten
have smoed things over and and gotten
have smoed things over and and gotten things together um and and I really
things together um and and I really
things together um and and I really regret it uh it's one of those things
regret it uh it's one of those things
regret it uh it's one of those things that you you can't fix you you can't
that you you can't fix you you can't
that you you can't fix you you can't turn back the clock I wish it hadn't
turn back the clock I wish it hadn't
turn back the clock I wish it hadn't have happened I wish that that somehow
have happened I wish that that somehow
have happened I wish that that somehow we could have kept Gary in the band and
we could have kept Gary in the band and
we could have kept Gary in the band and and that he was a part of that infrared
and that he was a part of that infrared
and that he was a part of that infrared writing Hood
[Music]
recording well infrared Riding Hood was
recording well infrared Riding Hood was
recording well infrared Riding Hood was uh the first record that we went as a
uh the first record that we went as a
uh the first record that we went as a three-piece that record was worth things
three-piece that record was worth things
three-piece that record was worth things kind of got I'm surprised that some of
kind of got I'm surprised that some of
kind of got I'm surprised that some of us made it through that people were
us made it through that people were
us made it through that people were getting whacked out of their
getting whacked out of their
getting whacked out of their minds oh man what's up Ben
minds oh man what's up Ben
minds oh man what's up Ben busted right the infrared sessions were
busted right the infrared sessions were
busted right the infrared sessions were uh quite interesting me because their
uh quite interesting me because their
uh quite interesting me because their manager Johnny Z actually flew out from
manager Johnny Z actually flew out from
manager Johnny Z actually flew out from New York and spent some time with us in
New York and spent some time with us in
New York and spent some time with us in the studio Josh wanted to add some
the studio Josh wanted to add some
the studio Josh wanted to add some industrial sounds to one of the songs so
industrial sounds to one of the songs so
industrial sounds to one of the songs so uh in those days you know I I also
uh in those days you know I I also
uh in those days you know I I also managed Ministry Al jensson and and they
managed Ministry Al jensson and and they
managed Ministry Al jensson and and they just like some of the effects that
just like some of the effects that
just like some of the effects that Ministry used etc etc so instead of
Ministry used etc etc so instead of
Ministry used etc etc so instead of sampling it they they wanted to get real
sampling it they they wanted to get real
sampling it they they wanted to get real sound so we're banging on stuff and
sound so we're banging on stuff and
sound so we're banging on stuff and keeping a beat and I think they gave me
keeping a beat and I think they gave me
keeping a beat and I think they gave me a pipe to play
[Music]
[Applause]
[Music]
[Music]
[Music] really good drummer psychopath from hell
really good drummer psychopath from hell
really good drummer psychopath from hell man he was a real psycho but he's a
man he was a real psycho but he's a
man he was a real psycho but he's a great guy see cuz Tad was into that he
great guy see cuz Tad was into that he
great guy see cuz Tad was into that he was like I was like what do you think if
was like I was like what do you think if
was like I was like what do you think if I get these pieces of metal and I smash
I get these pieces of metal and I smash
I get these pieces of metal and I smash them wasn't just like we're like banging
them wasn't just like we're like banging
them wasn't just like we're like banging on and oh that's great you know it
on and oh that's great you know it
on and oh that's great you know it was it had a method to it and there was
was it had a method to it and there was
was it had a method to it and there was a a desired end effect that we were
a a desired end effect that we were
a a desired end effect that we were going for the way we wrote that record
going for the way we wrote that record
going for the way we wrote that record was a direct result
was a direct result
was a direct result of not wanting to
of not wanting to
of not wanting to be
be
be overly analytic about the music it
overly analytic about the music it
overly analytic about the music it started off with the first song the way
started off with the first song the way
started off with the first song the way we wrote that record Kurt had that bass
we wrote that record Kurt had that bass
we wrote that record Kurt had that bass RI that
went and I just started playing the
went and I just started playing the
went and I just started playing the drums and that whole record was written
drums and that whole record was written
drums and that whole record was written like that somebody just started playing
like that somebody just started playing
like that somebody just started playing a riff and we wrote and we not once we
a riff and we wrote and we not once we
a riff and we wrote and we not once we never went okay this goes four times how
never went okay this goes four times how
never went okay this goes four times how okay how many times are we going to do
okay how many times are we going to do
okay how many times are we going to do this when are we going to change that
this when are we going to change that
this when are we going to change that nothing was said nobody does that you
nothing was said nobody does that you
nothing was said nobody does that you know nobody makes a record and doesn't
know nobody makes a record and doesn't
know nobody makes a record and doesn't talk about how many times you're going
talk about how many times you're going
talk about how many times you're going to do this part we're going to put this
to do this part we're going to put this
to do this part we're going to put this change I've got this riff nobody said
change I've got this riff nobody said
change I've got this riff nobody said anything there was can you imagine what
anything there was can you imagine what
anything there was can you imagine what I'm saying it's like that's how together
I'm saying it's like that's how together
I'm saying it's like that's how together uh we were at that point and we just
uh we were at that point and we just
uh we were at that point and we just went in and did that record and and it
went in and did that record and and it
went in and did that record and and it really was that and I thought that that
really was that and I thought that that
really was that and I thought that that record was so great because we did that
record was so great because we did that
record was so great because we did that and that meant how tight we
[Music]
were there's kind of a pop aesthetic
were there's kind of a pop aesthetic
were there's kind of a pop aesthetic behind this record uh a lot of the songs
behind this record uh a lot of the songs
behind this record uh a lot of the songs are very catchy kind of Alla eight-way
are very catchy kind of Alla eight-way
are very catchy kind of Alla eight-way Santa but there's also some some some
Santa but there's also some some some
Santa but there's also some some some very heavy happening too you know
very heavy happening too you know
very heavy happening too you know the stuff that Tad was doing uh near the
the stuff that Tad was doing uh near the
the stuff that Tad was doing uh near the end of their career was the best Tad
end of their career was the best Tad
end of their career was the best Tad stuff of
stuff of
stuff of [Music]
[Music]
[Music] [Applause]
[Applause]
[Applause] [Music]
[Music]
[Music] all I want to
all I want to
all I want to go bring it
back
back
back sometimes sometimes
sometimes sometimes
sometimes sometimes [Music]
let
yourself
yourself
yourself fre try not feel
fre try not feel
fre try not feel inside that I couldn't
inside that I couldn't
inside that I couldn't hide but I did forget to
hide but I did forget to
hide but I did forget to smile Separates
Me I'm my body
[Music]
[Music]
[Music] oh
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the I was always amazed I mean how the
the I was always amazed I mean how the
the I was always amazed I mean how the do you go and make a record and get
do you go and make a record and get
do you go and make a record and get that gacked out of your mind and
that gacked out of your mind and
that gacked out of your mind and actually have anything come out and then
actually have anything come out and then
actually have anything come out and then you hear infrared and it's a brilliant
you hear infrared and it's a brilliant
you hear infrared and it's a brilliant record
uh basically the a anr rep loved them
uh basically the a anr rep loved them
uh basically the a anr rep loved them and thought Ted was the next big thing
and thought Ted was the next big thing
and thought Ted was the next big thing and they hired Ted because they signed
and they hired Ted because they signed
and they hired Ted because they signed Ted because of it the anr person got
Ted because of it the anr person got
Ted because of it the anr person got fired and all of her bands got dropped
fired and all of her bands got dropped
fired and all of her bands got dropped literally the week the record was going
literally the week the record was going
literally the week the record was going to the stores they were trying to find
to the stores they were trying to find
to the stores they were trying to find who to talk to about
who to talk to about
who to talk to about us and they they called up and they and
us and they they called up and they and
us and they they called up and they and they said which band you know and that's
they said which band you know and that's
they said which band you know and that's kind of a bad sign at that point you
kind of a bad sign at that point you
kind of a bad sign at that point you know well we don't know who you should
know well we don't know who you should
know well we don't know who you should talk to about that you know and when an
talk to about that you know and when an
talk to about that you know and when an anr person gets terminated at a major
anr person gets terminated at a major
anr person gets terminated at a major label all of their bands get act
label all of their bands get act
label all of their bands get act regardless of quality nobody's even
regardless of quality nobody's even
regardless of quality nobody's even listening to the music at that point
listening to the music at that point
listening to the music at that point it's strictly a matter of bureaucratic
it's strictly a matter of bureaucratic
it's strictly a matter of bureaucratic musical chairs shifting and the bands
musical chairs shifting and the bands
musical chairs shifting and the bands are often the unwitting victims of this
are often the unwitting victims of this
are often the unwitting victims of this and it it has nothing to do with music
and it it has nothing to do with music
and it it has nothing to do with music music uh chances are nobody even
music uh chances are nobody even
music uh chances are nobody even listened to the Tad record we found out
listened to the Tad record we found out
listened to the Tad record we found out in retrospect that a whole whopping 650
in retrospect that a whole whopping 650
in retrospect that a whole whopping 650 bucks was spent on Advertising for
bucks was spent on Advertising for
bucks was spent on Advertising for infrared Riding Hood the label just
infrared Riding Hood the label just
infrared Riding Hood the label just writes off the money it's a loss they
writes off the money it's a loss they
writes off the money it's a loss they deducted from their taxes or whatever
deducted from their taxes or whatever
deducted from their taxes or whatever they do so infrared writing Hood as far
they do so infrared writing Hood as far
they do so infrared writing Hood as far as I can see just became a tax loss for
as I can see just became a tax loss for
as I can see just became a tax loss for somebody and uh the record showing up in
somebody and uh the record showing up in
somebody and uh the record showing up in the record of the month
the record of the month
the record of the month club you know buy 10 disc for 5 cents
club you know buy 10 disc for 5 cents
club you know buy 10 disc for 5 cents the 11th it's the 11th our record's out
the 11th it's the 11th our record's out
the 11th it's the 11th our record's out and you know what shut up one
and you know what shut up one
and you know what shut up one bit of advertising out there for us the
bit of advertising out there for us the
bit of advertising out there for us the record label said they were going to do
record label said they were going to do
record label said they were going to do it they up up number one
it they up up number one
it they up up number one strike
strike
strike one does anybody care I don't think
one does anybody care I don't think
one does anybody care I don't think so they basically just wanted the band
so they basically just wanted the band
so they basically just wanted the band to go away at a lecture they really
to go away at a lecture they really
to go away at a lecture they really wanted tar to go away they were scared
wanted tar to go away they were scared
wanted tar to go away they were scared of tar they didn't know what to make of
of tar they didn't know what to make of
of tar they didn't know what to make of them somewhere there's a warehouse full
them somewhere there's a warehouse full
them somewhere there's a warehouse full of those records I I don't know where it
of those records I I don't know where it
of those records I I don't know where it is that was pretty much the end of Tad's
is that was pretty much the end of Tad's
is that was pretty much the end of Tad's label career they do this thing where
label career they do this thing where
label career they do this thing where it's like well you know we won't give it
it's like well you know we won't give it
it's like well you know we won't give it to you so you could do something with it
to you so you could do something with it
to you so you could do something with it we're just going to it's like a little
we're just going to it's like a little
we're just going to it's like a little kid that uh you know um that you don't
kid that uh you know um that you don't
kid that uh you know um that you don't want to play Legos his way so he's going
want to play Legos his way so he's going
want to play Legos his way so he's going to grab all of his Legos and go home and
to grab all of his Legos and go home and
to grab all of his Legos and go home and you when we got dropped from giant
you when we got dropped from giant
you when we got dropped from giant Josh bounced back like the rest of us
Josh bounced back like the rest of us
Josh bounced back like the rest of us did but when we got dropped to second
did but when we got dropped to second
did but when we got dropped to second time uh you know it was a little too
time uh you know it was a little too
time uh you know it was a little too much and I think it was a little too
much and I think it was a little too
much and I think it was a little too much for all of us um but I think he
much for all of us um but I think he
much for all of us um but I think he reacted the quickest I think it's
reacted the quickest I think it's
reacted the quickest I think it's because you know I wasn't the healthiest
because you know I wasn't the healthiest
because you know I wasn't the healthiest person so I just decided to just to just
person so I just decided to just to just
person so I just decided to just to just walk away from it instead of deal with
walk away from it instead of deal with
walk away from it instead of deal with it I'm a lot different person now than
it I'm a lot different person now than
it I'm a lot different person now than that I deal with my problems you know
that I deal with my problems you know
that I deal with my problems you know instead of run from them but back then I
instead of run from them but back then I
instead of run from them but back then I I did a lot of that I would just run
I did a lot of that I would just run
I did a lot of that I would just run from problems and I I attribute that to
from problems and I I attribute that to
from problems and I I attribute that to you know substance abuse we were on a
you know substance abuse we were on a
you know substance abuse we were on a constant roller coaster ride emotionally
constant roller coaster ride emotionally
constant roller coaster ride emotionally psychologically physically why not
psychologically physically why not
psychologically physically why not destroy
destroy
destroy guitars why not light off
guitars why not light off
guitars why not light off explosives why
explosives why
explosives why not destroy television sets why not uh
not destroy television sets why not uh
not destroy television sets why not uh do this why not do that I mean it seemed
do this why not do that I mean it seemed
do this why not do that I mean it seemed like we had nothing to lose I mean uh
like we had nothing to lose I mean uh
like we had nothing to lose I mean uh when you've lost everything already what
when you've lost everything already what
when you've lost everything already what else have you got to
else have you got to
else have you got to lose nothing I I was locked up in a room
lose nothing I I was locked up in a room
lose nothing I I was locked up in a room that I was renting in West Seattle and
that I was renting in West Seattle and
that I was renting in West Seattle and I'd never go out I I can say that uh
I'd never go out I I can say that uh
I'd never go out I I can say that uh when it came to drug abuse uh I I took
when it came to drug abuse uh I I took
when it came to drug abuse uh I I took it very seriously and uh explored it
it very seriously and uh explored it
it very seriously and uh explored it very thoroughly backstage every every
very thoroughly backstage every every
very thoroughly backstage every every night you get a a bottle of hard liquor
night you get a a bottle of hard liquor
night you get a a bottle of hard liquor and a case of beer and as you gain in
and a case of beer and as you gain in
and a case of beer and as you gain in popularity you get to order what you
popularity you get to order what you
popularity you get to order what you want backstage and and so there's more
want backstage and and so there's more
want backstage and and so there's more and more booze all the time and
and more booze all the time and
and more booze all the time and uh eventually uh you you need something
uh eventually uh you you need something
uh eventually uh you you need something to get over those hangovers with and so
to get over those hangovers with and so
to get over those hangovers with and so so something
so something
so something else always enters the picture I liked
else always enters the picture I liked
else always enters the picture I liked Coke a lot and I found that I couldn't
Coke a lot and I found that I couldn't
Coke a lot and I found that I couldn't afford it that much so I went for the
afford it that much so I went for the
afford it that much so I went for the cheaper version of that which was
cheaper version of that which was
cheaper version of that which was crystal meth and glass I was taking cash
crystal meth and glass I was taking cash
crystal meth and glass I was taking cash advances on my credit card to go buy
advances on my credit card to go buy
advances on my credit card to go buy more and I'd only leave at night you
more and I'd only leave at night you
more and I'd only leave at night you know I was becoming a
know I was becoming a
know I was becoming a essentially a addicted vampire I had a
essentially a addicted vampire I had a
essentially a addicted vampire I had a police scanner that I bought that I'd
police scanner that I bought that I'd
police scanner that I bought that I'd listen to because I was sure they were
listen to because I was sure they were
listen to because I was sure they were coming after me someday that's how far
coming after me someday that's how far
coming after me someday that's how far it went you know it's it's part of the
it went you know it's it's part of the
it went you know it's it's part of the side of the Seattle music scene that
side of the Seattle music scene that
side of the Seattle music scene that isn't talked about that isn't So
isn't talked about that isn't So
isn't talked about that isn't So Glamorous Isn't So Glorious doesn't look
Glamorous Isn't So Glorious doesn't look
Glamorous Isn't So Glorious doesn't look so good on camera um and you know cost a
so good on camera um and you know cost a
so good on camera um and you know cost a lot of bands the chance of success and
lot of bands the chance of success and
lot of bands the chance of success and cost a number of people their lives when
cost a number of people their lives when
cost a number of people their lives when you've been together for for 10 or 12
you've been together for for 10 or 12
you've been together for for 10 or 12 years years uh you begin to know each
years years uh you begin to know each
years years uh you begin to know each other on a level that is akin to how a
other on a level that is akin to how a
other on a level that is akin to how a husband and wife know each other you
husband and wife know each other you
husband and wife know each other you know you can second guess that person
know you can second guess that person
know you can second guess that person you know their worst side you know their
you know their worst side you know their
you know their worst side you know their best side uh and you might be a bit sick
best side uh and you might be a bit sick
best side uh and you might be a bit sick of that person
of that person
of that person too he's a lifelong friend and that
too he's a lifelong friend and that
too he's a lifelong friend and that that's never going to change we've gone
that's never going to change we've gone
that's never going to change we've gone through a lot together and shared a lot
through a lot together and shared a lot
through a lot together and shared a lot of things together triumphs as well as
of things together triumphs as well as
of things together triumphs as well as defeats so that that brings you together
defeats so that that brings you together
defeats so that that brings you together you know
you know
you know we're
Team
Team
Team hello all
hello all
hello all right what's
right what's
right what's up Kurt what are you
up Kurt what are you
up Kurt what are you doing come on in man son of again
doing come on in man son of again
doing come on in man son of again you were kidding this is a big surprise
you were kidding this is a big surprise
you were kidding this is a big surprise look at you what are you
doing coming to visit
you all dressed
you all dressed
you all dressed up people can be in bands and that all
up people can be in bands and that all
up people can be in bands and that all they have in common is this uh musical
they have in common is this uh musical
they have in common is this uh musical Vision but you know I I think that's
Vision but you know I I think that's
Vision but you know I I think that's where we went a little step further you
where we went a little step further you
where we went a little step further you know we we love being around each other
know we we love being around each other
know we we love being around each other you know
they're Legends absolutely and they're
they're Legends absolutely and they're
they're Legends absolutely and they're part of a very vital scene and I think
part of a very vital scene and I think
part of a very vital scene and I think they are just in my mind always going to
they are just in my mind always going to
they are just in my mind always going to be seen as as part of the most happening
be seen as as part of the most happening
be seen as as part of the most happening scene that uh s's experienced before
scene that uh s's experienced before
scene that uh s's experienced before since what Tad accomplished was
since what Tad accomplished was
since what Tad accomplished was certainly Head and Shoulders above what
certainly Head and Shoulders above what
certainly Head and Shoulders above what 95% of rock bands accomplished
95% of rock bands accomplished
95% of rock bands accomplished he wasn't selling records because of
he wasn't selling records because of
he wasn't selling records because of image he was selling records because of
image he was selling records because of
image he was selling records because of content whether anybody makes it in this
content whether anybody makes it in this
content whether anybody makes it in this business is largely dependent on factors
business is largely dependent on factors
business is largely dependent on factors that have nothing to do with music
that have nothing to do with music
that have nothing to do with music nothing whatsoever to do with music and
nothing whatsoever to do with music and
nothing whatsoever to do with music and a big chunk of it is luck and um random
a big chunk of it is luck and um random
a big chunk of it is luck and um random factors did not operate in their favor
factors did not operate in their favor
factors did not operate in their favor so I think there still is a life to this
so I think there still is a life to this
so I think there still is a life to this music
music
music um but you know Tad's story
um but you know Tad's story
um but you know Tad's story unfortunately and sadly is always going
unfortunately and sadly is always going
unfortunately and sadly is always going to be a story of uh what could have been
to be a story of uh what could have been
to be a story of uh what could have been as opposed to what was and that's going
as opposed to what was and that's going
as opposed to what was and that's going to be part of their
legacy the thing I'm most proud about
legacy the thing I'm most proud about
legacy the thing I'm most proud about the music is that we always stuck to
the music is that we always stuck to
the music is that we always stuck to what we believed in and we weren't
what we believed in and we weren't
what we believed in and we weren't shifting what we were doing to appease
shifting what we were doing to appease
shifting what we were doing to appease anybody or to look good you know we we
anybody or to look good you know we we
anybody or to look good you know we we let it all hang out right from the
let it all hang out right from the
let it all hang out right from the beginning you
know and and just being being full of
know and and just being being full of
know and and just being being full of integrity and uh and and keeping the
integrity and uh and and keeping the
integrity and uh and and keeping the course and doing what we had no choice
course and doing what we had no choice
course and doing what we had no choice in doing because we wanted to do it and
in doing because we wanted to do it and
in doing because we wanted to do it and that's what we were you at the time it's
that's what we were you at the time it's
that's what we were you at the time it's right I like to think that uh you know
right I like to think that uh you know
right I like to think that uh you know the music's going to live on and that
the music's going to live on and that
the music's going to live on and that hopefully it won't come to a point where
hopefully it won't come to a point where
hopefully it won't come to a point where we have to die for people to figure that
we have to die for people to figure that
we have to die for people to figure that out
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