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It is cheaper than beef. 7 00:00:32,742 --> 00:00:34,994 It is cheaper, even, than herring. 8 00:00:35,077 --> 00:00:36,788 Paul: The only thing my mother ever liked 9 00:00:36,871 --> 00:00:38,998 about me being a movie star 10 00:00:39,081 --> 00:00:43,544 was how much it impressed the Jewish half of my family. 11 00:00:43,628 --> 00:00:45,671 I'll teach you a Hebrew toast. 12 00:00:45,755 --> 00:00:46,839 L'Chaim. 13 00:00:46,923 --> 00:00:48,633 [ Chuckles ] I know it. 14 00:00:48,716 --> 00:00:49,967 To life. 15 00:00:50,051 --> 00:00:51,093 Good for you. 16 00:00:51,177 --> 00:00:52,887 She was always intimidated by them. 17 00:00:52,970 --> 00:00:54,514 I'm half Protestant, half Jewish, 18 00:00:54,597 --> 00:00:57,558 but I've always thought myself as a Jew... 19 00:00:57,642 --> 00:00:58,768 because it's harder. 20 00:00:58,851 --> 00:01:00,561 And half of them are Communists anyway. 21 00:01:00,645 --> 00:01:03,397 Yes, and the other half pawnbrokers. 22 00:01:03,481 --> 00:01:05,858 They look funny, too. 23 00:01:05,942 --> 00:01:09,153 I can spot one a mile away. 24 00:01:09,237 --> 00:01:11,447 Would you mind looking into my eye, sir? 25 00:01:11,531 --> 00:01:13,741 Feels like a cinder. Mm, certainly. 26 00:01:16,285 --> 00:01:18,538 You know, a lot of them 27 00:01:18,621 --> 00:01:21,707 try to hide under Gentile names... 28 00:01:21,791 --> 00:01:24,836 but one look at that face and you just know. 29 00:01:24,919 --> 00:01:27,630 With a little experience, you can even smell them out. 30 00:01:27,713 --> 00:01:29,882 To quote Theodore Roosevelt, 31 00:01:29,966 --> 00:01:32,552 "On the one hand, I would stomp it under foot. 32 00:01:32,635 --> 00:01:34,929 But on the other hand, not so fast." 33 00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:36,722 Convey my respect to the general. 34 00:01:36,806 --> 00:01:37,807 That I will. 35 00:01:37,890 --> 00:01:40,059 Bit of a Jew himself, you know. 36 00:01:40,142 --> 00:01:41,602 Not really? Mm. 37 00:01:41,686 --> 00:01:47,358 On the one hand, what a plague my appearance has been. 38 00:01:47,441 --> 00:01:49,402 On the other hand, where the hell would I have been 39 00:01:49,485 --> 00:01:51,654 if I looked like Golda Meir? 40 00:01:53,322 --> 00:01:55,324 I need 50 eggs. 41 00:01:59,495 --> 00:02:01,289 Nobody can eat 50 eggs. 42 00:02:01,372 --> 00:02:03,124 You just said he could eat anything. 43 00:02:03,207 --> 00:02:04,625 You ever eat 50 eggs? 44 00:02:04,709 --> 00:02:06,252 Nobody ever ate 50 eggs. 45 00:02:06,335 --> 00:02:08,921 Babalugats, we got a bet here! 46 00:02:09,005 --> 00:02:12,174 My boy says he can eat 50 eggs, he can eat 50 eggs. 47 00:02:12,258 --> 00:02:14,510 Go! 48 00:02:14,594 --> 00:02:16,596 One... 49 00:02:16,679 --> 00:02:18,598 two... 50 00:02:18,681 --> 00:02:20,016 three. 51 00:02:20,099 --> 00:02:22,226 He's gonna lose a finger, eating eggs like that. 52 00:02:22,310 --> 00:02:25,605 ♪♪ 53 00:02:25,688 --> 00:02:27,356 He's eating them, Alibi. 54 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,942 Ah, he's chewing them. Just little old eggs. 55 00:02:30,026 --> 00:02:32,612 They're pigeon eggs, that's all. Fish eggs, practically. 56 00:02:32,695 --> 00:02:35,406 Society Red: Five...four... 57 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:38,117 three...two... 58 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,660 one...zero! 59 00:02:39,744 --> 00:02:42,622 [ Indistinct shouting ] 60 00:02:42,705 --> 00:02:45,291 Hold it! He didn't swallow the last. 61 00:02:45,374 --> 00:02:46,667 Oh, you think so, huh? 62 00:02:46,751 --> 00:02:48,544 Well, let's take a look here. 63 00:02:48,628 --> 00:02:50,171 Open that mouth. 64 00:02:50,254 --> 00:02:53,090 [ Cheering ] 65 00:02:55,885 --> 00:02:58,095 Rosenberg: For me, I looked at Luke 66 00:02:58,179 --> 00:03:00,306 as what legends are really about. 67 00:03:00,389 --> 00:03:02,308 How does a legend develop? 68 00:03:02,391 --> 00:03:07,980 Did Luke really eat 50 eggs, or is that what makes a legend? 69 00:03:08,064 --> 00:03:17,156 ♪♪ 70 00:03:17,239 --> 00:03:18,574 Announcer: From the Wild West, 71 00:03:18,658 --> 00:03:20,493 the princess traveled back to the present 72 00:03:20,576 --> 00:03:21,869 to meet Alfred Hitchcock 73 00:03:21,953 --> 00:03:23,871 and the stars of a new thriller in the making, 74 00:03:23,955 --> 00:03:25,414 Julie Andrews and Paul Newman. 75 00:03:25,498 --> 00:03:27,833 Then they watched the cameras roll for a scene 76 00:03:27,917 --> 00:03:30,544 in this new Hitchcock film, "The Torn Curtain." 77 00:03:30,628 --> 00:03:32,421 Announcer #2: On the shoulders of Paul Newman 78 00:03:32,505 --> 00:03:36,384 as he pursues his hazardous hobby, go-cart racing. 79 00:03:36,467 --> 00:03:38,511 ♪♪ 80 00:03:38,594 --> 00:03:40,054 [ Man speaking foreign language ] 81 00:03:40,137 --> 00:03:42,598 [ Woman speaking French ] 82 00:03:42,682 --> 00:03:46,352 [ Cheers and applause ] 83 00:03:46,435 --> 00:03:49,105 [ Camera shutters clicking ] 84 00:03:55,111 --> 00:03:56,487 [ Camera shutters clicking ] 85 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:57,905 [ Woman speaking French ] 86 00:03:57,989 --> 00:03:59,699 Announcer #3: A popular choice with the crowd 87 00:03:59,782 --> 00:04:01,867 as world's favorite actor and actress, 88 00:04:01,951 --> 00:04:03,452 Paul Newman and Natalie Wood. 89 00:04:03,536 --> 00:04:06,122 It's quite a feat to be as popular in Great Britain 90 00:04:06,205 --> 00:04:07,707 as you are in Southeast Asia. 91 00:04:07,790 --> 00:04:13,004 It must be the greatest feeling in the wide, wide world. 92 00:04:13,087 --> 00:04:14,380 [ Camera shutter clicking ] 93 00:04:14,463 --> 00:04:17,133 I want the "Cool Hand Luke" section to be great. 94 00:04:17,216 --> 00:04:18,926 Well, yeah. 95 00:04:19,010 --> 00:04:24,890 What we've got here is a failure to communicate. 96 00:04:24,974 --> 00:04:28,477 That's the quintessential Paul Newman performance, 97 00:04:28,561 --> 00:04:29,854 is "Cool Hand Luke." 98 00:04:29,937 --> 00:04:32,023 I mean, that's just like Nicholson in "Cuckoo's Nest." 99 00:04:32,106 --> 00:04:33,232 Like, that is the -- 100 00:04:33,315 --> 00:04:35,026 Denzel, "Malcolm X," you know, 101 00:04:35,109 --> 00:04:36,318 De Niro, "Raging Bull," 102 00:04:36,402 --> 00:04:37,611 Paul Newman, "Cool Hand Luke." 103 00:04:37,695 --> 00:04:39,321 That's what it is in my mind, right? 104 00:04:39,405 --> 00:04:41,407 Nobody can eat 50 eggs. 105 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:44,118 Like, you have a signature, 106 00:04:44,201 --> 00:04:46,454 and he directed them in his signature. 107 00:04:46,537 --> 00:04:49,999 And then he spent his life really struggling 108 00:04:50,082 --> 00:04:53,627 to achieve that grace ever again, you know? 109 00:04:53,711 --> 00:04:55,379 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 110 00:04:55,463 --> 00:04:58,341 It's a guy who's thinking back on 20 years ago 111 00:04:58,424 --> 00:05:00,885 when he won the World Series, you know. 112 00:05:00,968 --> 00:05:03,763 Picture Stuart with his cigar and a whiskey, 113 00:05:03,846 --> 00:05:06,599 and he's saying, "I went to see..." 114 00:05:06,682 --> 00:05:08,059 What was her name? 115 00:05:08,142 --> 00:05:09,226 Come on. 116 00:05:09,310 --> 00:05:11,771 Alicia Alonso, right? 117 00:05:11,854 --> 00:05:13,606 Rosenberg: Years ago, when I lived in New York, 118 00:05:13,689 --> 00:05:15,858 I went to the ballet with my wife, 119 00:05:15,941 --> 00:05:17,526 and we saw Alicia Alonso, 120 00:05:17,610 --> 00:05:19,445 who had just come out of an enforced retirement 121 00:05:19,528 --> 00:05:22,365 because she lost her eyesight and performed a pied. 122 00:05:22,448 --> 00:05:25,451 She just went across the stage twirling 123 00:05:25,534 --> 00:05:27,119 and never touched the ground. 124 00:05:27,203 --> 00:05:28,788 And I started crying. 125 00:05:28,871 --> 00:05:31,957 Man: 21, 22, 23... 126 00:05:32,041 --> 00:05:34,627 Rosenberg: I don't know anything about the ballet, 127 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:36,212 but I couldn't stop weeping. 128 00:05:36,295 --> 00:05:39,465 Man: ...30, 31, 32, 33. 129 00:05:39,548 --> 00:05:43,427 Rosenberg: It's just remarkable to see someone do so well... 130 00:05:43,511 --> 00:05:46,347 Get out of my eyeballing seats, you Newmeat dummy. 131 00:05:46,430 --> 00:05:49,809 Rosenberg: In those years, you know, 1967, 132 00:05:49,892 --> 00:05:51,435 there were two stars in the world, really, 133 00:05:51,519 --> 00:05:52,978 two superstar sex symbols. 134 00:05:53,062 --> 00:05:55,272 That's Paul Newman and Steve McQueen. 135 00:05:55,356 --> 00:05:57,817 Paul was a giant. He was it. 136 00:05:57,900 --> 00:06:00,611 It wasn't any Redford at this point. 137 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:03,197 He read the script. He read the book. 138 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,950 And after all, I was a TV director. 139 00:06:06,033 --> 00:06:08,536 I had no track record as a -- as a film director, 140 00:06:08,619 --> 00:06:10,913 and he committed to the project because he liked the character 141 00:06:10,996 --> 00:06:12,456 and he wanted to do it. 142 00:06:12,540 --> 00:06:17,211 ♪♪ 143 00:06:17,294 --> 00:06:21,006 And Paul, he didn't play the superstar. 144 00:06:21,090 --> 00:06:23,384 I mean, he was part of a company, 145 00:06:23,467 --> 00:06:26,303 and he was a guy in the trenches working. 146 00:06:26,387 --> 00:06:28,514 ♪♪ 147 00:06:28,597 --> 00:06:32,184 He comes into the situation, he looks at it, and he says, 148 00:06:32,268 --> 00:06:35,229 "This is the toughest test these men have to do, 149 00:06:35,312 --> 00:06:38,357 and you -- you can do two things. 150 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,652 You can rebel against the system by objecting to it, 151 00:06:41,735 --> 00:06:45,197 or you can rebel against the system by defeating it. 152 00:06:45,281 --> 00:06:51,120 ♪♪ 153 00:06:51,203 --> 00:06:54,456 You know, that Sisyphus is a figure of literature 154 00:06:54,540 --> 00:06:56,208 through the century that is always 155 00:06:56,292 --> 00:06:57,918 the perfect symbol of frustration. 156 00:06:58,002 --> 00:07:00,254 He's the guy who has to push the rock up the hill every day, 157 00:07:00,337 --> 00:07:02,590 and every day, it rolls back down. 158 00:07:02,673 --> 00:07:06,886 ♪♪ 159 00:07:06,969 --> 00:07:11,557 Camus comes along and made this startling observation, 160 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,142 which changed my life. 161 00:07:13,225 --> 00:07:14,351 Camus says, "Huh. 162 00:07:14,435 --> 00:07:16,896 Uh-huh. You're all wrong. 163 00:07:16,979 --> 00:07:20,941 Sisyphus was a happy man because he knew what his job was." 164 00:07:21,025 --> 00:07:25,237 That's it. That's the end of it. 165 00:07:25,321 --> 00:07:27,656 What do we do now? 166 00:07:27,740 --> 00:07:29,074 Nothing. 167 00:07:29,158 --> 00:07:31,285 Rosenberg: I mean, that's a remarkable observation 168 00:07:31,368 --> 00:07:33,662 that Camus made, that Sisyphus was happy 169 00:07:33,746 --> 00:07:36,916 and there must have been a smile on his face in accomplishing it. 170 00:07:36,999 --> 00:07:39,835 There is a tremendous sense of accomplishment. 171 00:07:39,919 --> 00:07:41,587 [ Laughter ] 172 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:45,883 The best thing I can say about Paul is that working with him, 173 00:07:45,966 --> 00:07:48,928 you feel that it's possible to achieve that grace. 174 00:07:49,011 --> 00:07:50,804 He always made me feel that I could get 175 00:07:50,888 --> 00:07:52,264 that one moment of glory. 176 00:07:52,348 --> 00:07:54,266 You know, the one that Thomas Wolfe talks about 177 00:07:54,350 --> 00:07:57,978 that maybe I could get that one moment this time, 178 00:07:58,062 --> 00:08:00,397 those golden moments. 179 00:08:00,481 --> 00:08:03,943 [ Projector whirring ] 180 00:08:22,586 --> 00:08:24,421 Melissa: My dad always described himself 181 00:08:24,505 --> 00:08:26,674 as an emotional Republican, 182 00:08:26,757 --> 00:08:32,096 and I think that's what he struggled with as an actor, 183 00:08:32,179 --> 00:08:34,890 was trying not to paste emotion on the outside, 184 00:08:34,974 --> 00:08:37,476 trying to dig in. 185 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,520 ♪♪ 186 00:08:39,603 --> 00:08:44,316 I wonder if he ever accessed that emotion 187 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,111 from experiences he had as a child. 188 00:08:47,194 --> 00:08:53,826 ♪♪ 189 00:08:53,909 --> 00:08:57,329 I'm leaving the place to John. 190 00:08:57,413 --> 00:08:59,456 I just... 191 00:08:59,540 --> 00:09:03,377 I just never give John the... 192 00:09:03,460 --> 00:09:06,922 the kind of, you know, feeling that I give you, 193 00:09:07,006 --> 00:09:08,465 so I'm -- I'm -- 194 00:09:08,549 --> 00:09:11,176 I'm gonna pay him back now. 195 00:09:14,430 --> 00:09:17,182 Sometimes, you just... 196 00:09:17,266 --> 00:09:20,686 just have a feeling for a child. 197 00:09:22,062 --> 00:09:24,857 else you don't. 198 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:28,110 With John, I just didn't. 199 00:09:29,570 --> 00:09:30,904 [ Whistles ] 200 00:09:33,574 --> 00:09:35,701 I got to go, Arletta. 201 00:09:35,784 --> 00:09:36,869 Yeah, well... 202 00:09:36,952 --> 00:09:38,370 laugh it up, kid. 203 00:09:38,454 --> 00:09:40,706 You'll -- You'll make out. 204 00:09:44,376 --> 00:09:46,837 Rosenberg: I felt that something had to be done to pay tribute 205 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,214 to the memory of this crusty old dame 206 00:09:49,298 --> 00:09:50,591 who came out to visit Luke, 207 00:09:50,674 --> 00:09:52,384 and I felt the audience would feel cheated 208 00:09:52,468 --> 00:09:55,012 if he didn't pay some sort of tribute to her. 209 00:09:55,095 --> 00:09:57,723 ♪♪ 210 00:09:57,806 --> 00:10:00,017 This is an inarticulate guy here. 211 00:10:00,100 --> 00:10:02,227 This is an uneducated guy that Paul was playing. 212 00:10:02,311 --> 00:10:04,396 I mean, he can't make a speech about his mother. 213 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,983 One day, I found an old jingle that was used 214 00:10:08,067 --> 00:10:10,069 by a Southern firm, actually, that made religious objects. 215 00:10:10,152 --> 00:10:11,945 You know, get yourself a plastic Jesus. 216 00:10:12,029 --> 00:10:13,614 His mother's dead. 217 00:10:13,697 --> 00:10:16,450 And I told Paul, and God bless him, it's fantastic. 218 00:10:16,533 --> 00:10:17,659 He said, "Let's do it." 219 00:10:17,743 --> 00:10:19,119 Problem is, Paul's not a musician. 220 00:10:19,203 --> 00:10:21,413 He had to learn the chords on the banjo. 221 00:10:21,497 --> 00:10:24,124 I didn't want to do it with him in cuts, you know? 222 00:10:24,208 --> 00:10:27,544 I wanted to just slowly come in and... 223 00:10:31,048 --> 00:10:32,800 The point that I'm making here 224 00:10:32,883 --> 00:10:35,094 is I went to the dressing room at the lunch break, 225 00:10:35,177 --> 00:10:36,428 and he showed me what he was doing. 226 00:10:36,512 --> 00:10:38,597 And I came out, and I said to myself, 227 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:41,308 "It's too, uh... 228 00:10:41,392 --> 00:10:44,812 I mean, he's done it too well." 229 00:10:44,895 --> 00:10:48,857 I hope -- I don't think he knows this story to this day. 230 00:10:48,941 --> 00:10:51,068 What I had to do with Paul was disturb him a little. 231 00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:54,947 I said, "Paul, shit, we got a copyright problem. 232 00:10:55,030 --> 00:10:56,657 You have to reverse the first line 233 00:10:56,740 --> 00:10:57,866 and the second line." 234 00:10:57,950 --> 00:10:59,451 He said, "Oh, for Christ's sakes, 235 00:10:59,535 --> 00:11:01,120 all that -- after all that fucking -- God damn it." 236 00:11:01,203 --> 00:11:05,457 So we roll the camera, get the sticks, and he starts. 237 00:11:05,541 --> 00:11:09,920 ♪ I don't care if it rains or freezes ♪ 238 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:12,297 Rosenberg: And it's fucking brilliant. 239 00:11:12,381 --> 00:11:14,174 ♪ Long as I got my plastic Jesus ♪ 240 00:11:14,258 --> 00:11:20,013 ♪ Sitting on the dashboard of my car ♪ 241 00:11:23,016 --> 00:11:27,104 ♪ Comes in colors pink and pleasant ♪ 242 00:11:27,187 --> 00:11:31,400 ♪ Glows in the dark 'cause it's iridescent ♪ 243 00:11:31,483 --> 00:11:35,362 ♪ Take him with you ♪ 244 00:11:35,446 --> 00:11:36,738 ♪ When you travel far ♪ 245 00:11:36,822 --> 00:11:38,907 Melissa: One scene comes to mind, 246 00:11:38,991 --> 00:11:42,161 and it always makes me cry and it seems so genuine. 247 00:11:42,244 --> 00:11:44,496 It's in "Cool Hand Luke" when he's singing -- 248 00:11:44,580 --> 00:11:47,958 when he's playing the ukulele and singing "Plastic Jesus." 249 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:51,962 I'm not sure what aspects of his childhood 250 00:11:52,045 --> 00:11:55,716 or his -- or his youth he was drawing on... 251 00:11:55,799 --> 00:11:58,469 but he seemed to have tapped into something 252 00:11:58,552 --> 00:11:59,720 in that moment. 253 00:11:59,803 --> 00:12:01,221 Gets me every time. 254 00:12:01,305 --> 00:12:05,517 ♪ 'Cause I got the Virgin Mary ♪ 255 00:12:05,601 --> 00:12:13,275 ♪ Assuring me that I won't go to Hell ♪ 256 00:12:14,651 --> 00:12:16,945 Stern: Did you ever see Paul cry? 257 00:12:17,029 --> 00:12:18,238 McDonald: No. 258 00:12:18,322 --> 00:12:21,533 ♪ Get yourself a sweet Madonna ♪ 259 00:12:21,617 --> 00:12:22,701 Never? 260 00:12:22,784 --> 00:12:25,996 Did you ever feel that he needed comfort? 261 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:30,667 Did you ever feel called on to comfort him? 262 00:12:30,751 --> 00:12:31,960 [ Sighs ] 263 00:12:32,044 --> 00:12:35,714 I don't think he left himself open for that. 264 00:12:35,797 --> 00:12:41,512 ♪ Assuring me that I won't go to Hell ♪ 265 00:12:44,681 --> 00:12:48,018 [ Train whistle blows ] 266 00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:50,812 ♪♪ 267 00:12:50,896 --> 00:12:52,814 Rosenberg: Paul was born in Cleveland. 268 00:12:52,898 --> 00:12:54,399 At 18, he enlisted in the Navy. 269 00:12:54,483 --> 00:12:57,194 He was a radio gunman, third class on torpedo planes 270 00:12:57,277 --> 00:12:59,530 in the Pacific in the Second World War in Hawaii, 271 00:12:59,613 --> 00:13:00,739 Guam, and Saipan. 272 00:13:00,822 --> 00:13:02,449 He was discharged in 1946, 273 00:13:02,533 --> 00:13:05,619 and he attended Kenyon College, where he was an economics major 274 00:13:05,702 --> 00:13:07,579 until he switched to English and speech. 275 00:13:07,663 --> 00:13:09,581 And he spent his summers in Stockton, 276 00:13:09,665 --> 00:13:12,543 because by then, he had decided he ought to be an actor. 277 00:13:17,673 --> 00:13:25,097 ♪♪ 278 00:13:25,180 --> 00:13:27,099 Well, tell me about the stock company, 279 00:13:27,182 --> 00:13:29,226 where you first met Paul. 280 00:13:29,309 --> 00:13:31,436 How did all that happen? 281 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:32,980 Well... 282 00:13:33,063 --> 00:13:34,481 ♪♪ 283 00:13:34,565 --> 00:13:37,401 ...must have read in the paper 284 00:13:37,484 --> 00:13:40,028 or heard somehow or another 285 00:13:40,112 --> 00:13:43,907 that the Belfry Players were having auditions, 286 00:13:43,991 --> 00:13:47,202 and I went and read for them. 287 00:13:47,286 --> 00:13:50,163 I can't remember the plot, if there was any, 288 00:13:50,247 --> 00:13:51,498 to "John Loves Mary." 289 00:13:51,582 --> 00:13:54,459 I think John had a funny sidekick 290 00:13:54,543 --> 00:13:57,254 and something like that, and that was Paul. 291 00:13:57,337 --> 00:13:59,631 ♪♪ 292 00:13:59,715 --> 00:14:03,343 Well, what can you tell me about your first times with Paul? 293 00:14:03,427 --> 00:14:05,470 Do you believe in love at first sight? 294 00:14:05,554 --> 00:14:07,806 No. 295 00:14:07,889 --> 00:14:09,975 Neither do I. 296 00:14:10,058 --> 00:14:13,312 I believe in confusion. 297 00:14:13,395 --> 00:14:15,314 McDonald: We'd spend a lot of time together. 298 00:14:15,397 --> 00:14:17,149 We were both there for the entire summer 299 00:14:17,232 --> 00:14:20,402 and probably through, you know, 300 00:14:20,485 --> 00:14:22,487 hidden needs of our own to escape 301 00:14:22,571 --> 00:14:24,823 from whatever was holding each of us. 302 00:14:24,906 --> 00:14:29,036 We must have decided we were each other's salvation. 303 00:14:29,119 --> 00:14:36,501 ♪♪ 304 00:14:36,585 --> 00:14:39,171 Stern: What about the wedding itself? 305 00:14:39,254 --> 00:14:41,506 I remember it being very lovely, 306 00:14:41,590 --> 00:14:43,342 lots of snow. 307 00:14:43,425 --> 00:14:46,345 My bridesmaids wore deep wine 308 00:14:46,428 --> 00:14:50,182 and I think a deep green velvet. 309 00:14:50,265 --> 00:14:51,683 ♪♪ 310 00:14:51,767 --> 00:14:54,019 How was Paul? 311 00:14:54,102 --> 00:14:56,521 [ Chuckles ] I don't know. 312 00:14:56,605 --> 00:14:59,441 I guess he was okay. It's funny, I don't remember. 313 00:14:59,524 --> 00:15:00,859 I really don't remember. 314 00:15:00,942 --> 00:15:03,904 ♪♪ 315 00:15:03,987 --> 00:15:07,783 We went from the wedding to Woodstock. 316 00:15:07,866 --> 00:15:11,370 We were in a Stockholm theater, 317 00:15:11,453 --> 00:15:14,081 and, you know, that's when his father died. 318 00:15:14,164 --> 00:15:16,375 ♪♪ 319 00:15:16,458 --> 00:15:18,543 They -- right as they get married, 320 00:15:18,627 --> 00:15:19,878 Paul's father dies, 321 00:15:19,961 --> 00:15:23,048 so he has to take over the sporting-goods store 322 00:15:23,131 --> 00:15:24,549 for his father. 323 00:15:24,633 --> 00:15:26,635 And now he's running a sporting-goods store. 324 00:15:26,718 --> 00:15:30,013 He's like 22, right? 325 00:15:30,097 --> 00:15:32,599 Stern: Did you go to the funeral? 326 00:15:32,683 --> 00:15:35,018 McDonald: Yes. I must have. 327 00:15:35,102 --> 00:15:37,562 Do you remember that trip? 328 00:15:37,646 --> 00:15:39,898 I remember I was impressed. 329 00:15:39,981 --> 00:15:41,316 [ Chuckles ] 330 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,904 It seemed to me to be a very affluent neighborhood. 331 00:15:45,987 --> 00:15:48,448 I remember that I ate my first lobster. 332 00:15:48,532 --> 00:15:51,368 I remember I had a -- that I had a new dress 333 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:55,747 and that it was, what, little knife pleats of taffetta, 334 00:15:55,831 --> 00:15:59,793 and his mother, Theresa, I'm sure accidentally, 335 00:15:59,876 --> 00:16:02,087 spilled something, lobster butter, 336 00:16:02,170 --> 00:16:03,255 all over the pleats. 337 00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:05,173 And they were never the same. 338 00:16:05,257 --> 00:16:07,509 That I remember. 339 00:16:09,678 --> 00:16:12,848 And what about Paul's reaction? 340 00:16:12,931 --> 00:16:14,933 He was terribly upset. 341 00:16:17,227 --> 00:16:18,770 But I can't really, in my mind, 342 00:16:18,854 --> 00:16:20,772 separate the upsetment over the actual death 343 00:16:20,856 --> 00:16:22,566 from the upsetment of having to fit into the mold 344 00:16:22,649 --> 00:16:26,069 of the Newman-Stern sporting-goods company. 345 00:16:26,153 --> 00:16:29,573 Why do you think he was doing it? 346 00:16:29,656 --> 00:16:31,783 Guilt, probably. 347 00:16:31,867 --> 00:16:36,204 I think that his mother just about fell apart, 348 00:16:36,288 --> 00:16:38,874 that she felt... 349 00:16:38,957 --> 00:16:41,585 truly felt somehow to keep her going 350 00:16:41,668 --> 00:16:45,005 that she had to some kind of control over her two sons. 351 00:16:45,088 --> 00:16:47,841 It was very important to her that they both stay 352 00:16:47,924 --> 00:16:50,427 with the Newman-Stern Company. 353 00:16:50,510 --> 00:16:52,429 ♪♪ 354 00:16:52,512 --> 00:16:58,101 I mean, I think his mother was totally unconscious 355 00:16:58,185 --> 00:17:01,062 of how oppressive she was. 356 00:17:01,146 --> 00:17:03,648 I remember where someone -- 357 00:17:03,732 --> 00:17:06,526 even someone as young and naive as me, 358 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:08,820 thought, "No, come on." 359 00:17:08,904 --> 00:17:10,822 ♪♪ 360 00:17:10,906 --> 00:17:13,867 The relatives came to the house after the funeral. 361 00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:15,994 It was somewhere around that time. 362 00:17:16,077 --> 00:17:19,539 She was sitting there with Paul and his brother, Arthur. 363 00:17:19,623 --> 00:17:21,500 She's telling the story about 364 00:17:21,583 --> 00:17:23,835 how popular Paulie always was 365 00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:26,630 and how the girls used to call here all the time 366 00:17:26,713 --> 00:17:29,216 and on and on and on about how popular Paulie was, 367 00:17:29,299 --> 00:17:30,425 da da da da da. 368 00:17:30,509 --> 00:17:33,094 And then, I'll never forget it. 369 00:17:33,178 --> 00:17:36,807 She looked over at Arthur and said, 370 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:40,977 "And they never called you, did they, honey?" 371 00:17:41,061 --> 00:17:43,980 Don't be hard on yourself. 372 00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:47,859 ♪♪ 373 00:17:47,943 --> 00:17:51,029 I thought, "Gee, what kind of monster is this woman?" 374 00:17:51,112 --> 00:17:53,156 ...my mother. 375 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,659 What do you know? 376 00:17:55,742 --> 00:17:58,370 Hawke: Paul starts drinking up a storm 377 00:17:58,453 --> 00:17:59,746 because he doesn't want to be 378 00:17:59,830 --> 00:18:01,706 running this sporting-goods store, 379 00:18:01,790 --> 00:18:05,669 and he finally gets up the guts to leave his mom. 380 00:18:05,752 --> 00:18:08,338 And he takes them and he goes to Yale to study acting, 381 00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:11,550 and it was very upsetting to the family. 382 00:18:11,633 --> 00:18:14,052 Do you still like me a little? 383 00:18:14,135 --> 00:18:16,721 I love you, Mother. 384 00:18:16,805 --> 00:18:18,139 Even when I'm like this? 385 00:18:18,223 --> 00:18:19,933 McDonald: I mean, this woman -- 386 00:18:20,016 --> 00:18:21,726 she told me that when Paul was young, 387 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:24,396 and I don't know how young anymore, 388 00:18:24,479 --> 00:18:26,106 that he did this peculiar thing. 389 00:18:26,189 --> 00:18:28,859 He stood on his bed, rocking back and forth, 390 00:18:28,942 --> 00:18:30,151 hurting himself 391 00:18:30,235 --> 00:18:32,445 or doing something, something or other, 392 00:18:32,529 --> 00:18:34,281 and she went to the doctor. 393 00:18:34,364 --> 00:18:36,908 And I doubt it was the child psychologist at that time, 394 00:18:36,992 --> 00:18:42,080 and this doctor's solution for this problem 395 00:18:42,163 --> 00:18:43,707 was to get a harness 396 00:18:43,790 --> 00:18:46,084 and put it on Paul at night 397 00:18:46,168 --> 00:18:49,254 that evidently would fasten to both sides of the bed. 398 00:18:49,337 --> 00:18:51,381 And I don't know whether Paul remembers that at the time, 399 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,925 but I remember thinking, "God, that's awful." 400 00:18:54,009 --> 00:18:57,596 ♪♪ 401 00:18:57,679 --> 00:19:00,140 Stern: He remembers being tied down. 402 00:19:00,223 --> 00:19:03,435 Both boys remember banging their heads. 403 00:19:03,518 --> 00:19:06,438 Ah, that was it, banging the heads. 404 00:19:06,521 --> 00:19:08,940 [ Chuckles ] Oh, yes. Wonderful. 405 00:19:09,024 --> 00:19:10,901 The banging of the heads. 406 00:19:10,984 --> 00:19:12,068 She told me -- 407 00:19:12,152 --> 00:19:13,778 She told me that the doctor told her 408 00:19:13,862 --> 00:19:16,323 that's something only Jewish kids do. 409 00:19:16,406 --> 00:19:19,951 ♪♪ 410 00:19:20,035 --> 00:19:21,328 Only Jewish kids? 411 00:19:21,411 --> 00:19:22,579 Mm-hmm. 412 00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:26,458 "Only Jewish kids do that." 413 00:19:26,541 --> 00:19:29,127 That's fascinating. 414 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:31,588 I wonder what it was that drove them to do that, 415 00:19:31,671 --> 00:19:35,133 to just go in there and bang their heads to the wall 416 00:19:35,216 --> 00:19:37,302 on a fairly regular basis. 417 00:19:37,385 --> 00:19:39,804 I don't know. 418 00:19:39,888 --> 00:19:48,647 ♪♪ 419 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:49,940 ♪♪ 420 00:19:50,023 --> 00:19:52,317 Paul: My mother and I just didn't get along. 421 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,487 The second year, Joanne and I were living in New York 422 00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:57,155 in the apartment on 11th Street. 423 00:19:57,238 --> 00:19:58,490 Joanne said, "Why don't you 424 00:19:58,573 --> 00:19:59,991 invite your mother up for Christmas?" 425 00:20:00,075 --> 00:20:01,409 I said, "Fine." 426 00:20:01,493 --> 00:20:03,244 She came in and said, 427 00:20:03,328 --> 00:20:05,163 "What a beautiful place you have here, Paul, 428 00:20:05,246 --> 00:20:06,873 all these lovely things, 429 00:20:06,957 --> 00:20:09,542 but you take it all out of that business, 430 00:20:09,626 --> 00:20:11,169 that terrible business 431 00:20:11,252 --> 00:20:14,631 that's filled with nothing but bile and pornography. 432 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:18,176 Oh, what you could have done if you'd only tried." 433 00:20:18,259 --> 00:20:24,307 ♪♪ 434 00:20:24,391 --> 00:20:27,227 One day, I was driving or somewhere in the city. 435 00:20:27,310 --> 00:20:31,606 Suddenly, my mother said, "I know why your wife hates me. 436 00:20:31,690 --> 00:20:36,152 Because I know she's having an affair with Gore Vidal." 437 00:20:36,236 --> 00:20:39,030 [ Scoffs ] I couldn't talk. 438 00:20:39,114 --> 00:20:42,659 ♪♪ 439 00:20:42,742 --> 00:20:43,994 Luke... 440 00:20:44,077 --> 00:20:45,370 What you doing? 441 00:20:45,453 --> 00:20:46,997 I jammed on the brakes, 442 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,708 opened the door, and said, "Get the fuck out of this car." 443 00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:53,962 Pushed her out on the corner of 18th Street and Fifth Avenue 444 00:20:54,045 --> 00:20:55,588 and left her there. 445 00:20:58,383 --> 00:21:01,428 We didn't speak again for 15 years. 446 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:10,645 What we got here is a failure to communicate. 447 00:21:10,729 --> 00:21:12,605 [ Gunshot ] 448 00:21:17,318 --> 00:21:20,613 Luke! Luke! 449 00:21:33,543 --> 00:21:35,837 Rosenberg: After the first screening we had at Westwood, 450 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,047 the lights went on, 451 00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:40,258 and the audience was absolutely still. 452 00:21:40,341 --> 00:21:42,594 And they came running to me, you know, the studio, 453 00:21:42,677 --> 00:21:43,928 "They don't like it." 454 00:21:44,012 --> 00:21:45,263 And I said, "Wait a second, what do you -- 455 00:21:45,346 --> 00:21:46,598 what do you want them to do, applaud? 456 00:21:46,681 --> 00:21:48,808 The hero's just been killed, you know? 457 00:21:48,892 --> 00:21:51,603 They're gonna go out there and they're gonna think about it 458 00:21:51,686 --> 00:21:54,230 and they're gonna talk about it." 459 00:21:54,314 --> 00:21:56,274 Go get him. 460 00:22:00,612 --> 00:22:03,490 Vidal: I think he will be remembered for something that 461 00:22:03,573 --> 00:22:09,746 in a curious way is very like Henry Fonda, Gary Cooper. 462 00:22:09,829 --> 00:22:14,292 They are so good, no one knows they're any good. 463 00:22:15,794 --> 00:22:19,964 And you can achieve a kind of perfection as a film actor 464 00:22:20,048 --> 00:22:23,802 that the people who -- overexcited types 465 00:22:23,885 --> 00:22:28,681 who believe in the auteur theory don't notice. 466 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:39,818 ♪♪ 467 00:22:39,901 --> 00:22:41,569 ♪♪ 468 00:22:41,653 --> 00:22:46,241 Ritt: Faith is one of the most important items in the equipment 469 00:22:46,324 --> 00:22:50,537 of the actor, writer, director. 470 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:55,500 I have faith in the material and the people I'm working with, 471 00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:56,918 and that faith is -- 472 00:22:57,001 --> 00:23:00,088 that purity, because that's what faith is -- 473 00:23:00,171 --> 00:23:02,340 it's impossible to fake. 474 00:23:02,423 --> 00:23:06,803 And when you have it, it's a thing of beauty. 475 00:23:06,886 --> 00:23:09,848 You got two ways to go -- put it down or use it. 476 00:23:09,931 --> 00:23:12,851 ♪♪ 477 00:23:12,934 --> 00:23:15,520 Even if you tie me, you're gonna be dead. 478 00:23:15,603 --> 00:23:18,148 ♪♪ 479 00:23:18,231 --> 00:23:20,358 You persuaded me. 480 00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:21,860 ♪♪ 481 00:23:21,943 --> 00:23:25,363 Vidal: Newman -- oh, yeah, he was good. He was good. 482 00:23:25,446 --> 00:23:28,366 Cooper -- yeah, he was good. He was good. 483 00:23:28,449 --> 00:23:29,617 Fonda -- Oh, yeah. 484 00:23:29,701 --> 00:23:31,327 He was always very good. 485 00:23:31,411 --> 00:23:33,788 He wasn't acting, though. 486 00:23:33,872 --> 00:23:35,081 [ Chuckles ] 487 00:23:35,165 --> 00:23:43,423 ♪♪ 488 00:23:43,506 --> 00:23:45,175 ♪♪ 489 00:23:45,258 --> 00:23:49,304 Woman: If any of you listening or live in or around Westport, 490 00:23:49,387 --> 00:23:50,889 they have really, truly one of 491 00:23:50,972 --> 00:23:52,473 the most enchanting homes I've ever seen. 492 00:23:52,557 --> 00:23:55,643 It's right on a lovely pastoral stream. 493 00:23:55,727 --> 00:23:57,770 Just trying to get rid of my chewing gum. 494 00:23:57,854 --> 00:23:59,147 Well, don't -- 495 00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:00,773 please don't put your chewing gum in my ear, Paul. 496 00:24:00,857 --> 00:24:02,066 [ Chuckles ] 497 00:24:02,150 --> 00:24:04,903 Tell us a bit -- Tell us about your children. 498 00:24:04,986 --> 00:24:08,031 Well, there's six of them, and they're marvelous children. 499 00:24:08,114 --> 00:24:09,657 What else can I say? 500 00:24:09,741 --> 00:24:14,829 ♪♪ 501 00:24:14,913 --> 00:24:17,498 I think people should think so carefully 502 00:24:17,582 --> 00:24:19,000 before they have children 503 00:24:19,083 --> 00:24:21,920 because people are very often so cavalier about it. 504 00:24:22,003 --> 00:24:23,963 They think of this lovely little bundle, you know, 505 00:24:24,047 --> 00:24:27,967 without thinking it's going to grow up to be a gawky teenager 506 00:24:28,051 --> 00:24:29,844 with a lot of long hair. 507 00:24:29,928 --> 00:24:33,097 And we may still need to be loved and hugged and kissed, 508 00:24:33,181 --> 00:24:35,099 even if he is tall and gawky. 509 00:24:35,183 --> 00:24:37,602 ♪♪ 510 00:24:37,685 --> 00:24:39,479 Man: How different is it 511 00:24:39,562 --> 00:24:43,608 for a woman to bring up a child she has not borne 512 00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:46,110 compared to the one she has? 513 00:24:46,194 --> 00:24:48,238 I mean, I have three who aren't mine -- 514 00:24:48,321 --> 00:24:49,781 I don't have them, 515 00:24:49,864 --> 00:24:51,950 but I have been blessed with them for many, many years, 516 00:24:52,033 --> 00:24:54,744 and I have three that are -- that I bore. 517 00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:56,955 I could not in any way say 518 00:24:57,038 --> 00:24:59,082 that I love one more than the other. 519 00:24:59,165 --> 00:25:01,084 I mean, they're -- 520 00:25:01,167 --> 00:25:05,880 As much as any other person can be yours, 521 00:25:05,964 --> 00:25:08,132 they're mine. 522 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:12,512 ♪♪ 523 00:25:12,595 --> 00:25:14,847 Hawke: I guess I wanted to ask you, 524 00:25:14,931 --> 00:25:16,683 when did you get that tattoo? 525 00:25:16,766 --> 00:25:23,815 Stephanie: Oh, I got that about...five years ago. 526 00:25:23,898 --> 00:25:27,068 I got it facing me on my forearm 527 00:25:27,151 --> 00:25:28,444 because I wanted to be able 528 00:25:28,528 --> 00:25:31,197 to read it all the time. 529 00:25:31,281 --> 00:25:33,825 And just as a reminder, 530 00:25:33,908 --> 00:25:36,035 even though I don't really need one, 531 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,164 but she... uh... 532 00:25:40,248 --> 00:25:42,166 Joanne was one of the best things 533 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:43,835 that ever happened to me. 534 00:25:43,918 --> 00:25:47,422 And she gave me my sisters, 535 00:25:47,505 --> 00:25:48,673 because she could have been 536 00:25:48,756 --> 00:25:50,800 a different kind of stepmother 537 00:25:50,883 --> 00:25:52,844 that was totally uninterested 538 00:25:52,927 --> 00:25:57,974 in keeping up with Pop's other children. 539 00:25:58,057 --> 00:26:00,685 She embroidered me pillows. 540 00:26:00,768 --> 00:26:03,479 I have postcards and letters from her 541 00:26:03,563 --> 00:26:06,566 from all over the world. 542 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:07,900 Melissa: She worked really hard 543 00:26:07,984 --> 00:26:10,361 to make sure that we were a family, 544 00:26:10,445 --> 00:26:13,031 and I don't think it necessarily would have happened 545 00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:16,034 the way it did if it had just been my father. 546 00:26:16,117 --> 00:26:20,330 She advocated to make -- to make us a family, 547 00:26:20,413 --> 00:26:24,375 and it was a complicated -- an obviously complicated family. 548 00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,545 Woman: I know two -- two of them take dancing lessons now, 549 00:26:27,628 --> 00:26:30,048 And I believe they had their first dancing lessons this week. 550 00:26:30,131 --> 00:26:31,591 And then, of course, you have the baby. 551 00:26:31,674 --> 00:26:33,092 The dancing lessons, incidentally, 552 00:26:33,176 --> 00:26:34,469 are really quite marvelous. 553 00:26:34,552 --> 00:26:39,223 The eldest one of the second batch is 7, 554 00:26:39,307 --> 00:26:40,767 and she thinks she's a horse. 555 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:43,061 She gets in her dance class, really. 556 00:26:43,144 --> 00:26:45,730 [ Laughs ] 557 00:26:45,813 --> 00:26:46,856 Very good! 558 00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:48,816 Yes, I thought it was a rather good horse. 559 00:26:48,900 --> 00:26:52,195 ♪♪ 560 00:26:52,278 --> 00:26:55,531 Ritt: Paul is... 561 00:26:55,615 --> 00:26:57,742 very demanding. 562 00:26:57,825 --> 00:26:59,243 I mean, he has to be. 563 00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:01,579 I mean, I made -- I made a couple of pictures with him 564 00:27:01,662 --> 00:27:03,581 that were flawed. 565 00:27:03,664 --> 00:27:09,921 ♪♪ 566 00:27:10,004 --> 00:27:12,590 You -- You know me, do ya? 567 00:27:12,673 --> 00:27:14,634 I don't think he work-- wants to work with me again, 568 00:27:14,717 --> 00:27:17,220 and I don't -- I don't blame him for that. 569 00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:20,765 From his point of view, "Paris Blues" was flawed. 570 00:27:20,848 --> 00:27:24,811 I don't think he really liked any picture we did together, 571 00:27:24,894 --> 00:27:26,229 except for "Hud." 572 00:27:26,312 --> 00:27:29,440 He thought "The Long, Hot Summer" was flawed. 573 00:27:29,524 --> 00:27:31,776 He thought "Hombre" was flawed. 574 00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:33,403 Woman: ...plays an Apache Indian. 575 00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:35,446 [ Chuckles ] Get a good look at this hairdo. 576 00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:39,409 Everyone was constantly ribbing him about looking like a Beatle. 577 00:27:39,492 --> 00:27:42,620 I hope this movie doesn't make the trend any worse. 578 00:27:42,703 --> 00:27:46,916 Please! Please, help me! 579 00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:48,960 Paul: The theme of "Hombre" was that ultimately, 580 00:27:49,043 --> 00:27:50,962 the competent people pick up the tab 581 00:27:51,045 --> 00:27:52,964 for all the incompetent people. 582 00:27:53,047 --> 00:27:55,091 The plot has all these incompetents 583 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:57,593 screwing it up until finally, my character arrives 584 00:27:57,677 --> 00:27:59,512 to save their asses and gets killed. 585 00:27:59,595 --> 00:28:01,347 It was a good idea. 586 00:28:01,431 --> 00:28:04,725 Lady, up there in those mountains, 587 00:28:04,809 --> 00:28:08,479 there's a whole people who've lost everything. 588 00:28:08,563 --> 00:28:11,482 They don't have a place left to spread their blankets. 589 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:13,526 They've been insulted, 590 00:28:13,609 --> 00:28:17,405 diseased, made drunk and foolish. 591 00:28:17,488 --> 00:28:19,532 Now, you call the men who did that Christians, 592 00:28:19,615 --> 00:28:20,741 and you trust them. 593 00:28:20,825 --> 00:28:23,077 I know them as white men, and I don't. 594 00:28:23,161 --> 00:28:25,329 Ritt: He was extremely good in it. 595 00:28:25,413 --> 00:28:26,706 I mean, it was one of the best things 596 00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:28,082 he's ever done in his life. 597 00:28:28,166 --> 00:28:32,503 I mean, but I think he thought it was flawed. 598 00:28:32,587 --> 00:28:34,964 Paul: When I see the image on the screen 599 00:28:35,047 --> 00:28:36,924 of that goddamn self-conscious movie star 600 00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:39,218 with blue eyes playing an Indian... 601 00:28:39,302 --> 00:28:40,470 What's that? 602 00:28:40,553 --> 00:28:42,680 How are you gonna get down that hill? 603 00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:44,849 [ Scoffs ] ...it doesn't come together for me. 604 00:28:44,932 --> 00:28:46,184 Now, you hold on. 605 00:28:46,267 --> 00:28:49,020 I'm going down this hill the same way I come up it. 606 00:28:49,103 --> 00:28:50,688 You hear me? Now, you just hold on. 607 00:28:50,771 --> 00:28:52,356 Just you hold on there. 608 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,526 Ritt: But -- But they were not like "Towering Inferno." 609 00:28:55,610 --> 00:29:00,031 I mean, [Chuckles] they were not overt exploitations. 610 00:29:00,114 --> 00:29:01,574 That's what that film was. 611 00:29:01,657 --> 00:29:03,034 Put your arms around me, 612 00:29:03,117 --> 00:29:04,744 and you tell me what to do, okay? 613 00:29:04,827 --> 00:29:07,205 I mean, I know he's had a lot of money pressures. 614 00:29:07,288 --> 00:29:09,165 You know, I get it. I get it. 615 00:29:09,248 --> 00:29:15,713 He's always had enormous hits with that George Roy Hill. 616 00:29:15,796 --> 00:29:20,051 I mean, I saw the "Sundance" Film. 617 00:29:20,134 --> 00:29:22,929 It's a very entertaining film. 618 00:29:23,012 --> 00:29:32,939 ♪♪ 619 00:29:33,022 --> 00:29:36,817 ♪♪ 620 00:29:36,901 --> 00:29:39,820 Hawke: You probably have a martini. 621 00:29:39,904 --> 00:29:43,407 You're nervous about Paul writing a memoir 622 00:29:43,491 --> 00:29:45,910 because you don't think it's a good idea. 623 00:29:45,993 --> 00:29:47,745 But you know that your job here 624 00:29:47,828 --> 00:29:49,914 is to be as honest as possible 625 00:29:49,997 --> 00:29:52,250 and still be a great best friend. 626 00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:54,252 Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 627 00:29:54,335 --> 00:29:56,671 ♪♪ 628 00:29:56,754 --> 00:29:58,256 Hill: When Paul came on set, 629 00:29:58,339 --> 00:30:01,759 I noticed he had a large jar of underarm deodorant, 630 00:30:01,842 --> 00:30:03,928 the dryness stuff that he puts under his arms, 631 00:30:04,011 --> 00:30:05,930 and he had three changes of shirts. 632 00:30:06,013 --> 00:30:10,268 And I didn't ask him about it, but it kind of made me curious. 633 00:30:11,686 --> 00:30:14,063 And then I realized that he was so nervous, 634 00:30:14,146 --> 00:30:16,983 he had to change T-shirts all the time. 635 00:30:17,066 --> 00:30:18,442 This gave me great hope 636 00:30:18,526 --> 00:30:21,779 because I don't trust an actor who's not nervous. 637 00:30:21,862 --> 00:30:24,782 ♪♪ 638 00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:28,286 That sultry, hip-swinging, brooding American male -- 639 00:30:28,369 --> 00:30:31,289 that was his persona, but it wasn't Paul. 640 00:30:31,372 --> 00:30:33,165 When Paul had a chance to shed that, 641 00:30:33,249 --> 00:30:36,419 he found such joy in it. 642 00:30:36,502 --> 00:30:38,629 Butch: Boy, you know, every time I see Hole-in-the-Wall again, 643 00:30:38,713 --> 00:30:42,133 it's like seeing it fresh for the first time, 644 00:30:42,216 --> 00:30:43,676 and every time that happens... 645 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:45,219 He was able to play himself in Butch, 646 00:30:45,303 --> 00:30:46,637 to finally learn to relax. 647 00:30:46,721 --> 00:30:49,640 He didn't have to push, and I think that role 648 00:30:49,724 --> 00:30:52,810 may have helped him into what he later became. 649 00:30:52,893 --> 00:30:55,896 What's your idea this time? Bolivia. 650 00:30:58,065 --> 00:30:59,191 What's Bolivia? 651 00:30:59,275 --> 00:31:01,068 Bolivia. That's a country, stupid. 652 00:31:01,152 --> 00:31:03,362 Man: Was it you who, in effect, gave Redford's career 653 00:31:03,446 --> 00:31:05,114 that nudge upwards, as it were? 654 00:31:05,197 --> 00:31:06,616 Paul: That was Joanne's idea. 655 00:31:06,699 --> 00:31:08,242 Ah. Tell me about it. 656 00:31:08,326 --> 00:31:10,661 I think she read the script and she said, "It's marvelous, 657 00:31:10,745 --> 00:31:14,665 and the only guy that can play it is Bob Redford." 658 00:31:14,749 --> 00:31:18,252 Redford: The studio didn't want me for the film. 659 00:31:18,336 --> 00:31:20,796 They wanted somebody as well-known as Paul, 660 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,091 and he stood up for me. 661 00:31:24,175 --> 00:31:26,010 I don't know how many people would have done that 662 00:31:26,093 --> 00:31:31,223 and they would listen to their agents or the studio powers. 663 00:31:31,307 --> 00:31:34,685 Hill: Actors can sometimes be a terrible pain in the ass 664 00:31:34,769 --> 00:31:36,437 with their jealousy of each other, 665 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,397 but on this one, even though they didn't know each other 666 00:31:38,481 --> 00:31:39,899 before they started, 667 00:31:39,982 --> 00:31:41,692 Bob and Paul consciously established 668 00:31:41,776 --> 00:31:43,986 a relationship that was excellent 669 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:45,988 that included Redford's having to laugh 670 00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:48,699 at all of Newman's god-awful jokes. 671 00:31:48,783 --> 00:31:50,868 And Newman had to put up with Redford showing up 672 00:31:50,951 --> 00:31:53,704 anywhere from 10 to 15 minutes late all the time. 673 00:31:53,788 --> 00:31:57,917 And he kept telling Paul to not try to be funny. 674 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,378 "You have to trust that you are funny." 675 00:32:00,461 --> 00:32:03,381 You're one of the funniest guys I have ever hung out with, 676 00:32:03,464 --> 00:32:06,008 but never because -- never when you're trying to be funny. 677 00:32:06,092 --> 00:32:07,510 Hamilton: Right, right, right. 678 00:32:07,593 --> 00:32:10,012 Bet on Logan. 679 00:32:10,096 --> 00:32:13,265 I would, but who'd bet on you? 680 00:32:13,349 --> 00:32:15,851 Sundance... 681 00:32:15,935 --> 00:32:21,232 when we're done, if he's dead, you're welcome to stay. 682 00:32:21,315 --> 00:32:22,441 [ Clears throat ] 683 00:32:22,525 --> 00:32:23,734 Listen, I don't mean to be a sore loser, 684 00:32:23,818 --> 00:32:25,319 but when it's done, if I'm dead... 685 00:32:25,403 --> 00:32:26,737 kill him. 686 00:32:26,821 --> 00:32:28,197 Love to. 687 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,951 Redford: Both of us were fundamentally American actors 688 00:32:32,034 --> 00:32:34,745 with the qualities and virtues 689 00:32:34,829 --> 00:32:38,332 that characterize American actors -- irreverence. 690 00:32:38,416 --> 00:32:39,875 No, no, not yet. 691 00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:42,586 Not until me and Harvey get the rules straightened out. 692 00:32:42,670 --> 00:32:44,797 Rules? In a knife fight? 693 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,424 No rules. 694 00:32:46,507 --> 00:32:48,426 Well, if there ain't gonna be any rules, 695 00:32:48,509 --> 00:32:49,677 let's get the fight started. 696 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,053 Someone count one, two, three, go. 697 00:32:51,137 --> 00:32:52,888 One, two, three, go. 698 00:32:55,558 --> 00:32:58,436 I was really rooting for you, Butch. 699 00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,105 [ Chuckles ] Well, thank you, Flat Nose. 700 00:33:01,188 --> 00:33:03,774 That's what sustained me in my time of trouble. 701 00:33:03,858 --> 00:33:08,112 Redford: We played on each other's flaws for fun. 702 00:33:08,195 --> 00:33:11,991 One-upsmanship, but always with an underlying affection. 703 00:33:12,074 --> 00:33:14,410 I figure we can either fight or give. 704 00:33:14,493 --> 00:33:16,454 If we give, we go to jail. 705 00:33:16,537 --> 00:33:19,457 No, we'll jump. I'll jump first. 706 00:33:19,540 --> 00:33:21,792 No. Then you jump first. 707 00:33:21,876 --> 00:33:23,627 No, I said. What's the matter with you? 708 00:33:23,711 --> 00:33:25,755 I can't swim! 709 00:33:29,008 --> 00:33:32,386 [ Laughs ] 710 00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:36,640 Why, are you crazy? 711 00:33:36,724 --> 00:33:39,101 The fall will probably kill you. 712 00:33:48,903 --> 00:33:51,781 Oh! 713 00:33:51,864 --> 00:34:01,791 ♪♪ 714 00:34:01,874 --> 00:34:04,668 ♪♪ 715 00:34:04,752 --> 00:34:06,921 Hill: The final scene between Paul and Bob 716 00:34:07,004 --> 00:34:09,006 was a tremendous acting challenge. 717 00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:11,467 In the dialog itself, there is no reference 718 00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:13,969 to the fact that they had been terribly wounded. 719 00:34:14,053 --> 00:34:17,056 Now, Paul and Bob's playing of that scene 720 00:34:17,139 --> 00:34:21,977 and finding the right balance of pain and humor 721 00:34:22,061 --> 00:34:25,314 and -- and hope is, I think, 722 00:34:25,397 --> 00:34:27,316 one of the best acting achievements 723 00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:29,527 I've ever seen in my experience. 724 00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:31,403 Butch: Australia. 725 00:34:31,487 --> 00:34:33,697 That's your great idea? 726 00:34:33,781 --> 00:34:36,909 Oh, it's the latest in a long line. 727 00:34:36,992 --> 00:34:38,953 Australia is no better than here. 728 00:34:39,036 --> 00:34:41,372 Oh, that's all you know. Name me one thing. Name me one thing. 729 00:34:41,455 --> 00:34:43,249 They speak English in Australia. 730 00:34:43,332 --> 00:34:44,416 They do? 731 00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:45,876 That's right, smart guy, 732 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,837 so we wouldn't be foreigners. 733 00:34:50,297 --> 00:34:51,882 Got horses in Australia. 734 00:34:51,966 --> 00:34:54,844 They got thousands of miles we can hide out in. 735 00:34:54,927 --> 00:34:56,679 Good climate, nice beaches. 736 00:34:56,762 --> 00:34:57,930 You can learn to swim. 737 00:34:58,013 --> 00:35:00,891 No, swimming... isn't important. 738 00:35:03,310 --> 00:35:05,896 What about the banks? 739 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:07,064 They're easy. 740 00:35:07,148 --> 00:35:09,650 Easy, ripe, and luscious. 741 00:35:10,609 --> 00:35:13,445 [ Chuckles ] 742 00:35:13,529 --> 00:35:15,573 The banks or the women? 743 00:35:15,656 --> 00:35:18,033 Well, once you got one, you got the other. 744 00:35:21,078 --> 00:35:23,080 It's a long way, though, isn't it? 745 00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:25,708 Ah, everything's got to be perfect with you. 746 00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:27,918 I just don't want to get there and find out who stinks. 747 00:35:28,002 --> 00:35:29,211 That's all. 748 00:35:29,295 --> 00:35:30,796 At least think about it. 749 00:35:33,132 --> 00:35:34,341 Alright. 750 00:35:34,425 --> 00:35:37,052 I'll think about it. 751 00:35:42,224 --> 00:35:44,768 Hey... 752 00:35:44,852 --> 00:35:48,439 if we get outside and we get to the horses, 753 00:35:48,522 --> 00:35:50,691 just remember one thing. 754 00:35:54,528 --> 00:35:56,030 Hey, wait a minute. 755 00:35:56,113 --> 00:35:57,239 What? 756 00:35:57,323 --> 00:36:00,743 You didn't see Lefors out there, did you? 757 00:36:00,826 --> 00:36:03,412 Lefors? 758 00:36:03,495 --> 00:36:05,122 No. 759 00:36:05,206 --> 00:36:06,582 Oh, good. 760 00:36:06,665 --> 00:36:09,460 For a moment there, I thought we were in trouble. 761 00:36:09,543 --> 00:36:13,672 ♪ Oh, the streets of Rome ♪ 762 00:36:13,756 --> 00:36:17,176 ♪ Are filled with rubble ♪ 763 00:36:17,259 --> 00:36:20,721 ♪ Ancient footprints ♪ 764 00:36:20,804 --> 00:36:23,641 ♪ Are everywhere ♪ 765 00:36:23,724 --> 00:36:24,975 ♪♪ 766 00:36:25,059 --> 00:36:31,982 ♪ She promised she'd be there with me ♪ 767 00:36:32,066 --> 00:36:38,364 ♪ When I paint my masterpiece ♪ 768 00:36:38,447 --> 00:36:45,788 ♪♪ 769 00:36:45,871 --> 00:36:47,665 Redford: I love Paul, 770 00:36:47,748 --> 00:36:52,503 and I think he's a rare, rare human being. 771 00:36:52,586 --> 00:36:54,797 ♪ Oh, the hours we'd spent ♪ 772 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,174 And when you come across someone like that, 773 00:36:57,257 --> 00:36:58,384 you don't let go. 774 00:36:58,467 --> 00:37:00,678 ♪ Inside the Coliseum ♪ 775 00:37:00,761 --> 00:37:02,721 He would never do anything to hurt you. 776 00:37:02,805 --> 00:37:06,850 He would never do anything that would in any way denigrate you. 777 00:37:06,934 --> 00:37:09,603 If you are a friend of Paul's, you are safe. 778 00:37:09,687 --> 00:37:14,024 You could go out and rob a bank and Paul would disapprove, 779 00:37:14,108 --> 00:37:15,693 but it would not affect his friendship. 780 00:37:15,776 --> 00:37:18,487 When Paul commits, he is committed for life. 781 00:37:18,570 --> 00:37:20,864 I hope you say that about me someday. 782 00:37:20,948 --> 00:37:22,616 You know, I was thinking about you. 783 00:37:22,700 --> 00:37:23,867 [ Laughs ] 784 00:37:23,951 --> 00:37:26,161 That's okay. Yeah. 785 00:37:26,245 --> 00:37:29,915 ♪ The back of my memory ♪ 786 00:37:29,999 --> 00:37:31,250 ♪ When I ran on the hilltop ♪ 787 00:37:31,333 --> 00:37:33,127 Man: Does it seem funny the man you know at home 788 00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:34,753 as just an ordinary human being 789 00:37:34,837 --> 00:37:38,215 that other people become giddy over him? 790 00:37:38,298 --> 00:37:41,135 Woodward: To see someone that you've known as that nice boy 791 00:37:41,218 --> 00:37:43,053 from Shaker Heights, Ohio, 792 00:37:43,137 --> 00:37:45,014 who happened to be in the same play with you, you know, 793 00:37:45,097 --> 00:37:47,850 and you thought, "Well, he isn't really very talented, 794 00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:49,935 but he's got a pretty face, so maybe he'll make it." 795 00:37:50,019 --> 00:37:52,896 But then to some, they see him, you know, emerge, 796 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:55,315 I think, by the roles that he plays, 797 00:37:55,399 --> 00:37:57,693 because when I go and see him in films, 798 00:37:57,776 --> 00:37:59,570 I mean, I get a whole thing about him, too. 799 00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:02,573 I mean, not that I -- [ Laughter ] 800 00:38:02,656 --> 00:38:06,702 I don't mean to say I don't anyway, but, you know... 801 00:38:06,785 --> 00:38:09,121 Stephanie: It was very weird. 802 00:38:09,204 --> 00:38:14,334 I remember being at a very nice hotel with Nelly 803 00:38:14,418 --> 00:38:17,212 and having some women come up to us, 804 00:38:17,296 --> 00:38:18,756 and one of them said, 805 00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:22,092 "Can you get anything from his room that's his? 806 00:38:22,176 --> 00:38:25,220 I'll take a bristle from his toothbrush." 807 00:38:25,304 --> 00:38:26,930 ♪ Masterpiece ♪ 808 00:38:27,014 --> 00:38:36,482 ♪♪ 809 00:38:36,565 --> 00:38:37,733 ♪♪ 810 00:38:37,816 --> 00:38:40,444 Rachel: Hello? Are you there? 811 00:38:40,527 --> 00:38:41,612 Anybody home? 812 00:38:41,695 --> 00:38:42,946 Yeah, I'm here. 813 00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:45,282 Well, what are you doing? 814 00:38:45,365 --> 00:38:47,117 When? Now? 815 00:38:47,201 --> 00:38:48,952 Yeah, now. 816 00:38:49,036 --> 00:38:51,455 Just sitting in my room. 817 00:38:51,538 --> 00:38:52,706 And...? 818 00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:54,249 Just sitting. 819 00:38:58,962 --> 00:39:01,632 I can't think of anything to say. 820 00:39:01,715 --> 00:39:03,634 Well, maybe I can help you. 821 00:39:03,717 --> 00:39:04,843 I'm just sitting here 822 00:39:04,927 --> 00:39:07,513 stark naked as the day I was born. 823 00:39:07,596 --> 00:39:08,931 [ Chuckles ] 824 00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:12,935 That open any interesting lines of conversation? 825 00:39:13,018 --> 00:39:14,895 Well... 826 00:39:51,014 --> 00:39:55,853 [ Telephone rings ] 827 00:39:55,936 --> 00:40:05,821 ♪♪ 828 00:40:05,904 --> 00:40:10,033 Are you, uh... 829 00:40:10,117 --> 00:40:13,871 really naked? 830 00:40:13,954 --> 00:40:15,914 I thought you'd never ask. 831 00:40:15,998 --> 00:40:18,167 I want you here, but it just doesn't... 832 00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:22,421 Clea: He -- He needed her in a way that she didn't need him. 833 00:40:22,504 --> 00:40:27,885 I mean, she was constantly learning new things 834 00:40:27,968 --> 00:40:29,261 and pushing herself 835 00:40:29,344 --> 00:40:33,056 and doing things that she was afraid of. 836 00:40:33,140 --> 00:40:36,101 Melissa: She really was kind of the -- 837 00:40:36,185 --> 00:40:39,396 truly herself, free flowing, 838 00:40:39,479 --> 00:40:43,650 and I think he wanted -- he wanted some of that. 839 00:40:43,734 --> 00:40:45,444 And so he married it. 840 00:40:45,527 --> 00:40:49,656 I'm gonna see if I can get some sleep, okay? 841 00:40:49,740 --> 00:40:54,286 Linney: There was always a sense that there was a lot going on. 842 00:40:54,369 --> 00:40:57,748 You know, she was a big knitter. She knit. 843 00:40:57,831 --> 00:41:00,125 What are you doing? Can I see what you're making? Oh, yes, this. 844 00:41:00,209 --> 00:41:02,503 Well, actually, I'm really doing this, 845 00:41:02,586 --> 00:41:04,296 and I'm doing it for a birthday present. 846 00:41:04,379 --> 00:41:05,881 What's gonna be in the squares? 847 00:41:05,964 --> 00:41:08,675 A picture of one daughter and a picture of the other. 848 00:41:08,759 --> 00:41:10,510 Allen: I love the fact -- people used to make fun of her, 849 00:41:10,594 --> 00:41:11,970 but she would go on to talk shows, 850 00:41:12,054 --> 00:41:13,639 bring her knitting. 851 00:41:13,722 --> 00:41:16,600 She'd be sitting there knitting while she was talking to them, 852 00:41:16,683 --> 00:41:18,936 and she didn't really care, 853 00:41:19,019 --> 00:41:21,271 like, what anybody thought about it or not. 854 00:41:21,355 --> 00:41:26,276 She was just kind of very uniquely her own self, you know? 855 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,904 Linney: But there's something about knitting in that 856 00:41:28,987 --> 00:41:33,116 each little stitch, like, leads up to something else, 857 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,077 and then you have a beautiful sweater. 858 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,787 Man: When was it dissolved? 859 00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:39,248 Woodward: I don't think there's a moment when, do you? 860 00:41:39,331 --> 00:41:41,667 I think it's a gradual progression of things. 861 00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:44,628 I think they say that one changes every seven years, 862 00:41:44,711 --> 00:41:47,297 every cell in your body. 863 00:41:47,381 --> 00:41:49,132 Maybe when I was 35 864 00:41:49,216 --> 00:41:51,468 and decided to take up ballet, 865 00:41:51,552 --> 00:41:54,137 thereby making myself the oldest -- 866 00:41:54,221 --> 00:41:57,349 oldest beginning ballerina in the world. 867 00:41:57,432 --> 00:42:00,394 36, I went on pointe, you know. 868 00:42:00,477 --> 00:42:02,479 How to let a work evolve, 869 00:42:02,562 --> 00:42:07,025 how to let your family evolve, how to let your marriage evolve. 870 00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:09,903 Like, how do you keep evolving? 871 00:42:09,987 --> 00:42:12,364 I think that's why "Rachel, Rachel" meant so much to me 872 00:42:12,447 --> 00:42:14,950 because it -- you should do things. 873 00:42:15,033 --> 00:42:17,494 You shouldn't say, "No, it's too late for that." 874 00:42:17,577 --> 00:42:19,162 It's never too late. 875 00:42:19,246 --> 00:42:22,874 ♪♪ 876 00:42:22,958 --> 00:42:27,421 [ Clock ticking ] 877 00:42:28,505 --> 00:42:31,091 Every time we've ever gone for an ice-cream cone, 878 00:42:31,174 --> 00:42:32,676 you've ordered vanilla. 879 00:42:32,759 --> 00:42:35,095 That's not the only kind, Rachel. 880 00:42:35,178 --> 00:42:37,097 There are 30 other flavors, 881 00:42:37,180 --> 00:42:38,599 plus a flavor of the month, 882 00:42:38,682 --> 00:42:40,934 and there are more people on this earth 883 00:42:41,018 --> 00:42:42,769 than just you. 884 00:42:42,853 --> 00:42:44,688 Parsons: "Rachel, Rachel" had just been 885 00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:46,606 a very important experience 886 00:42:46,690 --> 00:42:49,526 in my life progression as an artist. 887 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:53,905 I mean, it's an experience that's so much more refined 888 00:42:53,989 --> 00:42:55,324 and artistic than most. 889 00:42:55,407 --> 00:42:58,201 I mean, it's no good to break the mold 890 00:42:58,285 --> 00:43:00,370 if you haven't got anything worth doing. 891 00:43:00,454 --> 00:43:03,498 Woodward: I had sort of been semi-retired 892 00:43:03,582 --> 00:43:05,542 for a few years raising children, 893 00:43:05,625 --> 00:43:09,254 and I said, "There's no way you're gonna get anybody to, 894 00:43:09,338 --> 00:43:12,174 you know, they're not gonna put this film together for me." 895 00:43:12,257 --> 00:43:15,093 And Paul said, "No, you really ought to do it. 896 00:43:15,177 --> 00:43:16,553 Let's -- Let's figure out how to do it." 897 00:43:16,636 --> 00:43:18,805 Reporter: In 1968, Paul Newman, 898 00:43:18,889 --> 00:43:21,016 famous in front of the motion-picture cameras, 899 00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:23,643 undertook his first assignment behind them as director. 900 00:43:23,727 --> 00:43:25,937 Joanne Woodward, Mrs. Newman in private life, 901 00:43:26,021 --> 00:43:27,356 agreed to star for it. 902 00:43:27,439 --> 00:43:28,732 Paul Newman tells it. 903 00:43:28,815 --> 00:43:30,776 Paul: She's sitting on a set, 904 00:43:30,859 --> 00:43:33,862 and she appears to do absolutely nothing. 905 00:43:33,945 --> 00:43:36,573 But there's some strange motor going on. 906 00:43:36,657 --> 00:43:38,825 ♪♪ 907 00:43:38,909 --> 00:43:43,747 Parsons: I went to see Paul at some apartment on the east side. 908 00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:48,085 I'd never met him before, and I remember thinking, "Oh, my." 909 00:43:48,168 --> 00:43:52,047 [ Chuckles ] I mean, he was like a Greek god. 910 00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:55,384 Paul: As it became more and more difficult for me to find parts 911 00:43:55,467 --> 00:43:58,970 that I wanted to do as an actor, if I read a good script, 912 00:43:59,054 --> 00:44:02,933 I should like to be connected with it in one form or another. 913 00:44:03,016 --> 00:44:05,519 That's why I directed the first film. 914 00:44:05,602 --> 00:44:08,980 I'm exactly in the middle of my life. 915 00:44:09,064 --> 00:44:11,066 This is my last... 916 00:44:11,149 --> 00:44:12,984 ♪♪ 917 00:44:13,068 --> 00:44:15,487 ...ascending summer. 918 00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:18,281 The same year that he's Butch Cassidy 919 00:44:18,365 --> 00:44:20,534 and, like, America's Marlboro Man, 920 00:44:20,617 --> 00:44:23,412 they spend their own money and their own time 921 00:44:23,495 --> 00:44:26,415 on a movie about a 35-year-old woman 922 00:44:26,498 --> 00:44:28,125 having a midlife crisis. 923 00:44:28,208 --> 00:44:32,003 You know, Joanne -- both Joanne and Paul, 924 00:44:32,087 --> 00:44:35,549 they absolutely loved... 925 00:44:35,632 --> 00:44:38,468 this craft of storytelling. 926 00:44:38,552 --> 00:44:40,846 ♪♪ 927 00:44:40,929 --> 00:44:44,015 Man: Did you have any misgivings at all about being -- 928 00:44:44,099 --> 00:44:45,308 to be directed by your husband, 929 00:44:45,392 --> 00:44:46,643 somebody you're so very close to? 930 00:44:46,726 --> 00:44:48,145 Did you have any misgivings at all? 931 00:44:48,228 --> 00:44:49,479 Woodward: I didn't have any misgivings about it 932 00:44:49,563 --> 00:44:50,981 because I've never understood 933 00:44:51,064 --> 00:44:53,316 why people always think that that's so strange. 934 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,068 I mean, who could direct you better? 935 00:44:55,152 --> 00:44:57,779 I made a fool of myself! 936 00:44:57,863 --> 00:44:59,281 We're all fools. 937 00:44:59,364 --> 00:45:01,908 You can't be part of the human race and not be... 938 00:45:01,992 --> 00:45:04,870 Parsons: I don't know where that kissing scene came from. 939 00:45:04,953 --> 00:45:09,332 I just -- I found it -- I found it very easy to do, 940 00:45:09,416 --> 00:45:11,168 and I remember just before we shot, 941 00:45:11,251 --> 00:45:14,004 I had an idea that was very effective, and I -- 942 00:45:14,087 --> 00:45:16,173 I just kissed her all over, 943 00:45:16,256 --> 00:45:18,884 and then I kind of found her mouth and... 944 00:45:18,967 --> 00:45:21,470 ♪♪ 945 00:45:21,553 --> 00:45:23,805 Oh, Rachel! 946 00:45:23,889 --> 00:45:24,973 Oh! 947 00:45:25,056 --> 00:45:28,351 Oh, I didn't -- I didn't mean that. 948 00:45:28,435 --> 00:45:30,353 I'm sorry! 949 00:45:30,437 --> 00:45:33,356 Oh, please, now I'm a fool! 950 00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,233 Scorsese: It was a big risk 951 00:45:35,317 --> 00:45:37,319 to make a picture like "Rachel, Rachel." 952 00:45:37,402 --> 00:45:41,031 People were not -- the independent films were not as -- 953 00:45:41,114 --> 00:45:42,991 you had to really put yourself on the line, 954 00:45:43,074 --> 00:45:46,703 and in a way, I think he took this journey. 955 00:45:46,786 --> 00:45:50,624 And it's a long trip to "Rachel, Rachel," 956 00:45:50,707 --> 00:45:53,710 and it must be because of her. 957 00:45:53,793 --> 00:45:58,048 She kept Paul on that tightrope walking and growing 958 00:45:58,131 --> 00:45:59,257 and growing and growing. 959 00:45:59,341 --> 00:46:00,759 Maybe if they hadn't been together, 960 00:46:00,842 --> 00:46:02,344 maybe if it was a different kind of situation, 961 00:46:02,427 --> 00:46:05,222 he would not have taken those -- those risks. 962 00:46:05,305 --> 00:46:07,724 You're a loving person, Nick Kazlik. 963 00:46:07,807 --> 00:46:10,519 Babe, we've only had two dates. You don't know me at all. 964 00:46:10,602 --> 00:46:12,062 I know enough. 965 00:46:12,145 --> 00:46:15,315 I know enough to say that... 966 00:46:15,398 --> 00:46:16,650 I love you. 967 00:46:16,733 --> 00:46:19,110 I want a child. I... 968 00:46:21,071 --> 00:46:24,491 Woodward: Sandy Meisner, whom I quote ad infinitum, 969 00:46:24,574 --> 00:46:25,992 said that for an actor, 970 00:46:26,076 --> 00:46:30,747 it takes -- it takes 20 years to, like a violinist, 971 00:46:30,831 --> 00:46:34,042 not wonder where you have to put your fingers on the strings, 972 00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:38,421 and Rachel was a real breakthrough for me 973 00:46:38,505 --> 00:46:39,756 in that respect. 974 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,758 Hold on to me. 975 00:46:41,841 --> 00:46:43,260 ♪♪ 976 00:46:43,343 --> 00:46:45,679 I think you want to. Be willing, please. 977 00:46:45,762 --> 00:46:50,767 Please allow what you're feeling. 978 00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:54,813 ♪♪ 979 00:46:54,896 --> 00:46:56,856 D'Onofrio: Every day when you're young, 980 00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:58,608 you have to keep reminding yourself, 981 00:46:58,692 --> 00:47:00,443 "I'm an artist, I'm an artist, I'm an artist," 982 00:47:00,527 --> 00:47:05,615 and then 20 years later, you're a fucking artist. 983 00:47:05,699 --> 00:47:09,077 If you've applied yourself all that long, 984 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,538 you're a fucking artist, man. 985 00:47:11,621 --> 00:47:14,666 ♪♪ 986 00:47:14,749 --> 00:47:16,751 Melissa: She knew that her husband, 987 00:47:16,835 --> 00:47:18,420 who was really famous, 988 00:47:18,503 --> 00:47:21,756 deeply believed that she was a way better actor than he was, 989 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,300 and he did a lot to prove it. 990 00:47:23,383 --> 00:47:27,387 I mean, he worshiped her as an artist. 991 00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:31,808 Parsons: I do think the film was terribly taxing for Paul. 992 00:47:31,891 --> 00:47:34,769 He was in a state of shock the whole time. 993 00:47:34,853 --> 00:47:37,397 But it wasn't hard for me 994 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,859 because I was working with Joanne Woodward! 995 00:47:40,942 --> 00:47:44,654 Woman: The winner of this year's Golden Globe goes to... 996 00:47:44,738 --> 00:47:47,824 Joanne Woodward for "Rachel, Rachel." 997 00:47:47,907 --> 00:47:50,660 Announcer: Joanne received her second Academy Award nomination 998 00:47:50,744 --> 00:47:54,581 for her portrayal of the title role in the movie. 999 00:47:54,664 --> 00:47:56,833 Paul: One thing that I admire, 1000 00:47:56,916 --> 00:47:59,836 the thing that I recognize, is excellence. 1001 00:47:59,919 --> 00:48:02,881 Woman: By any reckoning, it is her best performance. 1002 00:48:02,964 --> 00:48:05,300 Paul: I recognize it in almost anything -- 1003 00:48:05,383 --> 00:48:08,428 plumbers, museum guides, limousine drivers, concierges, 1004 00:48:08,511 --> 00:48:11,056 waitresses, bank tellers. 1005 00:48:11,139 --> 00:48:13,391 I delight in seeing excellence. 1006 00:48:13,475 --> 00:48:15,644 "Rachel, Rachel," Estelle Parsons. 1007 00:48:15,727 --> 00:48:17,520 Stewart Stern for "Rachel, Rachel." 1008 00:48:17,604 --> 00:48:21,191 Woman: Joanne Woodward for "Rachel, Rachel." 1009 00:48:21,274 --> 00:48:24,194 Paul: And unless I have it for myself, 1010 00:48:24,277 --> 00:48:26,154 I'm not gonna be satisfied. 1011 00:48:26,237 --> 00:48:28,865 Man: ...was moving up in the field. 1012 00:48:28,948 --> 00:48:33,078 ♪♪ 1013 00:48:33,161 --> 00:48:39,793 Acting, that whole real feeling, eh, I have my moments. 1014 00:48:39,876 --> 00:48:42,337 Single scenes, maybe. 1015 00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:47,884 I've had maybe a dozen inspired races in 16 years of racing. 1016 00:48:47,967 --> 00:48:51,346 I've won a lot that weren't necessarily inspired. 1017 00:48:51,429 --> 00:48:54,140 It's kind of the way I feel about my acting. 1018 00:48:54,224 --> 00:48:56,559 [ Indistinct announcement ] 1019 00:48:56,643 --> 00:48:57,936 Acting, racing, 1020 00:48:58,019 --> 00:49:01,981 you're constantly aware of your own inadequacies, 1021 00:49:02,065 --> 00:49:06,069 and I just try to get out there and do the best I can. 1022 00:49:06,152 --> 00:49:08,571 Anything can happen. 1023 00:49:08,655 --> 00:49:13,034 But as in all things, you can do anything you want to 1024 00:49:13,118 --> 00:49:15,453 if you're willing to pay the price. 1025 00:49:15,537 --> 00:49:21,793 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1026 00:49:21,876 --> 00:49:27,757 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1027 00:49:27,841 --> 00:49:33,847 [ Singing indistinctly ] 1028 00:49:33,930 --> 00:49:40,103 ♪ Don't forgive me anymore ♪ 1029 00:49:40,186 --> 00:49:43,314 ♪ Find me sleeping ♪ 1030 00:49:43,398 --> 00:49:46,735 [ Singing indistinctly ] 1031 00:49:46,818 --> 00:49:53,491 ♪♪ 1032 00:49:53,575 --> 00:49:59,831 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1033 00:49:59,914 --> 00:50:06,087 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1034 00:50:06,171 --> 00:50:12,469 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1035 00:50:12,552 --> 00:50:18,892 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1036 00:50:18,975 --> 00:50:25,106 ♪ Don't trust the moonbeams ♪ 1037 00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:31,279 ♪ Moonbeams are off the record ♪ 1038 00:50:31,362 --> 00:50:37,619 ♪ Don't count your heartbeats ♪ 1039 00:50:37,702 --> 00:50:43,917 ♪ You heart won't beat forever ♪ 1040 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:50,340 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1041 00:50:50,423 --> 00:50:56,513 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1042 00:50:56,596 --> 00:51:03,019 ♪ One day, I'll stop to listen ♪ 1043 00:51:03,102 --> 00:51:13,029 ♪♪ 1044 00:51:13,112 --> 00:51:23,039 ♪♪ 1045 00:51:23,122 --> 00:51:33,049 ♪♪ 1046 00:51:33,132 --> 00:51:36,511 ♪♪ 77262

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