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So, knowing what you know now, would you
still get cursed?
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That's a good question.
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Honestly, I don't know.
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You're literally begging the devil just
to prove to you that God's real.
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There's evil people. There's evil
energy.
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And if you're playing around with that,
you'd be lucky to make it out alive.
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This is going to be fun.
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Y 'all better not call me at 2 o 'clock
in the morning talking about this man's
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dick. I don't want to hear that.
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in an age of staggering advances in
science and technology.
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To our predecessors of just a few
hundred years ago, much of the world
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would be indistinguishable from magic.
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But we might not be so far removed from
the old world of gobs and superstition
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as we might think.
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80 % of people in the US identify as
either religious or spiritual.
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Three out of four Americans believe in
some form of the paranormal and similar
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figures are reflected globally.
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Is belief in the supernatural simply a
remnant of an evolutionary trait?
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Or is there a deeper and more profound
truth to the nature of consciousness
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we've yet to uncover?
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I've been making documentary films now
for more than 20 years.
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It's a career that brought me to the US
over a decade ago, where I met my wife
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and now have a happy little family with
two cats.
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In my work, I've been lucky enough to
film in some exotic and often remote
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places around the globe.
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Something that caught my imagination is
that everywhere I've travelled, lying
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just below the surface, of our seemingly
modern world.
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There's a persistent undercurrent of
belief in the spirit world.
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I can't help wondering why are we so
hardwired to believe in the
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Surely it's all superstition.
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That's when I stumbled on an unusual
idea.
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What would happen if I willingly asked
someone to put a curse On me.
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Hey, babe.
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Hey. How are you?
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I'm good.
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Found anyone to curse you yet?
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No.
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Ever since I met you, I've known that
you're curious about this kind of stuff
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and you're always wanting to explore the
unknown.
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What kind of curse?
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What would it be supposed to do?
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That's a really good question. I don't
know what type of curse either.
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You get to choose or they just do
something bad and then you find out what
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going to be.
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I don't know. I mean, and will anyone
curse me? Because I'm guessing it's
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probably a first for people I'm going to
speak to.
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And then there's a question, well, how
much do I believe?
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You want to believe. I'm a skeptic, but
you're the molder to my scully. You want
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to believe.
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I do.
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So when I moved to the U .S., I pretty
much came here with two suitcases, one
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with clothes and one with this case of
memories, basically full of old
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photographs that I have of me and my
rock climbing days.
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What really got me was finding this.
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I got this book when I was around 10 or
11 years old, and I was obsessed with
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this. It's called The Unexplained,
Mysteries of the Mind, Science, and
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Time. It has all sorts of things in it
from the history of Stonehenge, even
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of the UFO stuff is being talked about
in Congress right now, so it's a real
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topic. But what really excited me and
really captured my imagination when I
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a kid was this, In Search of the Sixth
Sense, ESP, Extrasensory Powers.
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To me, this was magic.
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I see references to Dr.
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Ryan of the Ryan Research Center.
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And what's wild for me is that in just a
few weeks, I'm going to be going to the
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research center myself.
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And I don't know that 10 -year -old me
could have ever imagined that I'd be
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doing this.
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So I think the fact that I saved this
book as one of my most important
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from when I was a child says something
about me and I guess why I'm doing any
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this at all.
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It may sound surprising, but this
sprawling city of angels is considered
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the best cities in the country to be a
witch.
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With many practicing covens, healers,
tarot readers, and magical stores for
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all manner of witchy supplies.
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And I've made contact with the well
-known coven here in the hope that they
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introduce me to their world of magic.
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So tell me, what is this space and where
are we?
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This is our temple up here. This is
where we do our rituals.
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And it is also, it has to double as a
classroom because of the space that we
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have in this. Actually, it's a good
space for that. This is probably going
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sound crazy.
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I am interested in finding a curse, dark
magic, a heck.
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To put on myself.
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So you're looking... To curse himself.
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To be cursed.
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We could curse you with stupidity, but
we think you've got that down.
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Well, because that's a dangerous idea.
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I mean, once something like that hits
you, undoing it could take a lot more
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you think. And sometimes when you're in
the throes of something like that, you
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don't even realize that you are. You're
pulling into action a spirit that's
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going to stalk you.
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Why did you choose that as the thing
that you want to see manifest? Do you
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like that's...
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The only real magic?
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Do you feel like that's the strongest
way to experience magic?
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I think it's that. I think it's the
strongest way to experience. Going into
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this, maybe I wondered if magic was more
in the mind of the believer, and so
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therefore I felt that maybe it wouldn't
affect me if I personally didn't believe
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in it.
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Well, the problem is, just from our
conversations today, I mean, we're
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conversation, and you're getting a
different perspective.
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Reality, this is exciting to get more
windows and doors in it.
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to where a year from now you may be
dealing with a curse and you're
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engaged in that universe.
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You completely have a sense of it's
real.
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And then it can really take you down.
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Well, I've certainly got a lot to think
about before I go further on this
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journey. But I would love to see what
your spellcrafting looks like. Could we
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perhaps do something that can help me on
my journey to find magic in some way?
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I mean, magic in some way is to say to
open a spirit for the encounter of
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And that we can do.
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Preferably without you having to be
cursed.
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Yes, seriously, do it.
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You suddenly become a doorway into the
realm of magic, you could get in
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Well, basically we're going to do a
witch's letter. And this is your witch's
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letter, so I'm going to ask you to
participate.
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Okay. I'm going to ask you to get a very
clear idea of that state of wonder, a
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changing reality that suddenly opens its
doors to you. And at the end, I'm
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probably going to ask you to then dump
your breath into the last knot.
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Okay. Okay?
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There we go.
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This cauldron of witchery is consecrated
to the old way.
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We shall embark upon Athabel.
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I conjure by the nod of one, to begin
the witch's ladder, our work be done.
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I conjure by the nod of two, that it
gets its mark and strikes true.
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Witch -wise, starting up.
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It's a good sign for work.
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Conjure by the knot of three, as we show
will.
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Conjure by the knot of four. Yes.
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To open wide the flaming wheel. Conjure
by the knot of five.
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That spell shall live.
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Conjure by the knot of six. Conjure by
the knot of seven. That is a spell in
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stars. It be written on earth that it is
in heaven.
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Conjure by the knot of eight. Let it be
fulfilled by the hand of fate.
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The conjurer by the nod of mine, this
spell is mine, this spell is mine.
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By witch's breath thou will shall be, by
witch's breath thou will shall be, and
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through the flames I set you free.
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It's done.
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Done. It's a short spell.
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There are many forms of witchcraft. In
actual fact, if you have a room full of
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witches, you're probably going to have
more opinions than the number of people
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in a room because everybody has a very
personal approach to it.
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My understanding of witchcraft, a
commonality that we share, is that we
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a relationship with the invisible world,
with the realms of spirit, and that
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would include the realms of divine
spirits, how the people would call the
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We're all working outside of the
construct of organized religion.
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So we're not mediating to spirit through
priesthood, we're having our own
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personal direct relationship, which
effectively means we're heretics.
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If witchcraft is to be believed, the
witch's ladder spell will open doors for
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to experience an encounter with magic.
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And despite the warnings, I still have
my sights set on finding a curse.
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So I'm heading to a city famous.
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for its history of voodoo.
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Celebrated for its festivals and
nightlife, New Orleans is just as well
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for its long association with magic.
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And I'm hoping I've come to the right
place in search of a curse.
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But it's hard to separate the myths of
voodoo from its authentic practice.
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So first, I'm seeking out an expert to
find out just what is voodoo.
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That's the question, right? What does
voodoo mean?
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And some people say it means spirit or
divinity, deity.
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We have a concept called ashe, which is
the divine, sacred energy of things.
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Everything has ashe. The chair has ashe.
The crossroads as a space has ashe. And
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we celebrate the ashe in ourselves and
also outside in the wild world where we
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find it. To me, that's what voodoo
really is. It's sort of an understanding
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everything is interconnected.
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Too many misconceptions about voodoo. I
mean, I think people hopefully are
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coming to terms with things like, you
know, that it's not all negative, that
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it's bad, that it's dark. I think people
understand that voodoo dolls aren't
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really a thing. They understand that
zombies aren't really a thing.
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On the other hand, it also does have
things that are very centered on curses
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hexes and what people would think of as
negative magic.
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But what I say to people is, if you knew
your partner or your child was getting
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hurt, would you retaliate? Would you
just sit there and do nothing?
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You know, you're going to try and resist
and stop them from getting hurt with
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whatever you have at your disposal.
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And we have this very powerful magic.
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Witchcraft, like all religions, is
complex and oftentimes contradictory.
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And I now know curses are practiced in
this tradition.
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So I've reached out to a well -known
voodoo priest in the hope that they
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be receptive to my search for dark
magic.
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Greetings, welcome.
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Thank you.
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Wash your hands for me and come on in.
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Okay, absolutely.
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It's a bit of a blessing. Thank you.
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And a slick way to get some sanitizer on
you. And welcome to the house of the
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divine friend. Thank you so much.
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This is my sacred space.
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This is my ministry room, if you will.
You see Santeria in this room. You see
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Lukumi in this room.
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You see Ifa in this room. And certainly
you see Voodoo present in this room.
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One piece that I've noticed is this
piece down here.
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Can you tell me a little bit about that?
You need to be careful with that.
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Stand up.
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Okay. This is a spirit devil. It's a
warrior, if you will. So he handles all
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bad things that I can't do in the spirit
realm. And each of those nails
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represent a successful mission for which
this deity has operated in. This piece
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has done some powerful things for me.
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And so I keep people away from it.
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Can you tell me the sorts of things that
people come to you looking for? They
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look to be blessed. They look to be
cleansed. They look to be protected.
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I channel the ancestors.
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I channel Loa, Arisha, deities.
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And certainly I need the head of the
client to be active in the ritual.
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So I can't do something to you, you
know, that you're not willing to accept.
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This might sound an unusual request, but
I'm interested in finding a curse, a
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hex in some way.
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Not to visually prove anything on
camera, but personally prove to myself
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can experience something.
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Makes no sense to me at all.
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You're looking for a curse to validate
what?
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And so a positive thing, a blessing.
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A miraculous thing won't do that for
you. It has to be a curse.
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A positive thing feels like it could
just be something that happens on day to
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day, whereas something more like a curse
might be more out of the unusual and
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something that would validate for my own
personal belief.
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As a black man in America, I feel the
exact opposite.
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I deal with the curse every day. I go
through hell every day.
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People are calling me and contacting me
for help who are...
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cursed every day the norm is to be
cursed and so it sounds
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without being disrespectful almost
entitled it's a good point
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and i don't mean to make light of it at
all i feel like i'm looking for
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something harsh so that it can grab my
attention and give me some
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understanding of what it is that may be
beyond this materialistic world
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I can't tell you how dangerous that is.
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And what you're opening yourself up to,
losing everything.
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Oh my, I'm about to sound like an
evangelical Christian.
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You're literally begging the devil to
knock on your door just to prove to you
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that God's real.
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There are rules to our universe. And
even before it comes out of our mouth,
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got to be in our consciousness.
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So the universe has already heard your
request.
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The position that you see the world from
is not something it's very easy for me
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to be able to see. We need to experience
things for ourselves.
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And that's what I'm doing. I'm looking
for a personal experience.
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My fear at this point is that the wheels
are in motion.
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Because it doesn't matter what you tell
me, you've already released that. And I
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can only accept that you...
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Absolutely believe what you're saying.
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Scarcely.
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A curse could end your life. Then what
are you proving?
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I'm dead now, but wow, now I know that
there's something really beyond this.
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Oof.
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Y 'all better not call me at 2 o 'clock
in the morning talking about this man is
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dead. I don't want to hear that.
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I don't want to hear that.
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We're having a tough, little bit of a
tough time out here.
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I'm struggling to convince anyone of my
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meaning and my intention.
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What's happening when you talk to them?
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Well, there's been a lot of pushback in
terms of, you know, making me consider
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how much more fortunate I am than a lot
of other people in the world.
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Yeah, I mean, I guess I can get why if
you just, you know, say it's like a
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personal journey.
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The journey I'm on does kind of sound
like buzzwords to people, you know? I
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think I need to find a better way to
articulate why it's important to me.
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Because it is sincere.
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And I think that if I go out there and
say, hey, I'm looking for a blessing,
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I walk down the street and I find a $10
note, I feel like that won't change my
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mind, won't be the validation that I'm
looking for.
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Are you nervous at all that if you do
find someone who's willing to curse you,
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like, what that will actually be like?
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You know, I don't know what.
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to believe about any of this stuff
anymore.
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I think at the beginning of this, maybe
I was more skeptical as the days have
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gone on.
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I'm not sure what I think anymore.
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Should I really be concerned about being
cursed?
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And is there any actual evidence that
magic could be real?
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Thankfully, there are those who are
studying the science of this phenomena.
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Founded 50 years ago by Apollo 14
astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, the
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Noetic Sciences is one of the leading
centers for the investigation into the
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power of human consciousness.
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What we study are exceptional
experiences. That's our euphemism.
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But that means mystical experience,
psychic experience, and other kinds of
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transformative experiences.
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What are the goals of the Institute of
Noetic Sciences?
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We have a working hypothesis that all
minds are interconnected.
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And so part of the goal is to test ideas
that would either confirm or deny that
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hypothesis.
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Mostly we end up confirming it.
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And of course, this is part of the
esoteric traditions that go back as far
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humanity goes.
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And we're trying to apply the tools of
science to better understand what
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apparently the ancients knew quite well.
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So I'm particularly interested in the
idea of force of will magic.
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And does thought intention really affect
the world around us? So in the
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laboratory... That kind of experiment is
thought about as a mind -matter
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interaction.
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Is the mind able to change something
that is physically measurable at a
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distance?
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Well, the answer is yes.
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The largest single class of studies
involves random physical
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systems. We're talking about electronic
random number generators.
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So you ask somebody, while the bits are
being created,
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to simply will more ones to come up or
more zeros to come up. And so after 50
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or more years of doing experiments as
part of a laboratory test, that works.
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So we take all of that and we then
address the question of, well, does
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will work?
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In the real world, I would say the
affirmations, magic spells and all the
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they do work, but usually they don't
work at anywhere near the same speed.
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as what we see in the laboratory.
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Traditional witchcraft practitioners
believe their spell crafting can affect
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world around us.
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And now scientists are finding evidence
that the human mind can affect digital
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systems in the lab.
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One of the largest experiments on the
subject was conducted by the Global
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Consciousness Project.
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The group placed random number
generators around densely populated
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if the thoughts and emotions of large
groups of people could skew the
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readings away from a 50 -50 chance of
being a 1 or a 0, especially during
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major world events.
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The data recorded on these machines
around the events of September 11th
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significant deviations that for many
suggest evidence of a unified field of
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human consciousness.
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I've asked magical practitioners if they
would in some way give me a negative
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spell or that could be a curse or a hex.
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What's the likelihood from some of your
experience that whether I believe or not
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I could still be affected in some way?
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You could still be affected purely for
psychological reasons.
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That once your unconscious has the
notion that somebody's putting a curse
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you, it could do serious damage.
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And that can push your physiology. It
can do all kinds of interesting things.
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And if I found somebody who did want the
harm using this method, I would walk
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away fast.
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Because what else are they thinking?
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I just don't want to be around people
like that.
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My search for dark magic in New Orleans
isn't over yet.
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I've made contact with a practitioner
who actively practices negative magic
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what he sees are many legitimate
reasons.
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Hi, Elias. Hello. Good to meet you. Good
to meet you too. Yeah, absolutely.
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Wow, this story is incredible.
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Thank you. New Orleans is known very
much for voodoo, but what...
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Is your practice?
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I practice hoodoo and witchcraft. I have
a couple of other associations to other
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traditions, but people call me all types
of things. They call me conjureman.
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They call me a witch.
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They call me a magician.
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They call me a priest.
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To me, it's the same thing.
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I'm interested in finding out about the
world of curses.
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Sure, we could definitely have a
conversation about curses.
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All right, where do we start?
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We start right now with the reading.
Okay, great. Let's do it.
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Why a curse and not something else?
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It's hard to explain.
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I feel like I want to push the
boundaries of my own experience as far
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take them.
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Does that make sense in terms of...
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Do practitioners such as yourself, do
you push boundaries for your own
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experience? Yeah, I do understand it. I
think that you're making agreements.
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You're saying in exchange for more
knowledge and insight of these esoteric
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spiritual concepts, I'm willing to put
myself in the face of danger, which to
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is partly brave, partly stupid.
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That's kind of like the best.
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Best things in life kind of come from
that kind of mix of stepping out without
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feeling like you fully have a net.
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So tarot cards are just a tool.
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Really what I'm doing is speaking to
spirit.
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I'm asking specifically about any work
that we may do, how that would affect
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you.
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So wherever the magician card comes up
in the reading is where magic enters the
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picture, where magic enters the chat,
right?
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So anyone who has eyes to see and
understands even a little bit of art can
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how the colors change a little bit here
and how the mood has changed after the
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work is done.
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So we're going from the magician card to
the three of pentacles, the hangman,
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and then the shadow self. It looks like
you have a relatively positive life.
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It looks like you have a lot of love and
a lot of opportunity.
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You are going to cause a little bit of
damage to that.
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You'll get what you want, though.
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You'll get an experience, and you'll get
your questions answered.
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You'll be represented as the emperor
moving forward.
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What I see is transformation, your idea
of yourself changing, but I think the
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crux of what the cards are saying,
you're opening a door that you are
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consciously saying you want to be
negative, down a negative path, to
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what's behind it, and you're going to
find that, and it's going to have
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detrimental effects on things that are
already positive around you. Right.
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And I'm sorry, but that's what this...
Yeah, that's what the cards say.
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With the cards as they are right now,
and if I would still like to move ahead
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with the casting, are you still open to
the idea of doing it?
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Yeah.
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But now it's more into painting.
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So today we're going to be doing
creation of a charm to be effectively a
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We're going to be first tying you to one
of these coffin nails.
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So some of your hair, we're going to tie
it to the coffin nail. This should slow
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you down a little bit, making it more
difficult for you to accomplish things
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that you hope to accomplish, and then
repelling people who could otherwise be
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assistance to you away from you.
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So, that was fun? Okay. Yeah, let's do
it. Let's do it. Okay.
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Ancestors, those who sacrifice, bless
what intends for our very existence, I
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calling you. We are asking you to be
here with us. We are asking for your
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your wisdom, your direction, your
insight in our lives. Yet again,
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Those who sacrifice blood, sweat, and
tears for our very existence, we are
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calling you. We are asking you to be
here with us.
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Nothing to worry about.
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Don't scare you too bad yet.
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But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt
not hearken unto the voice of the Lord
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thy God, who observe.
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to do all his commandments and his
statutes, which I command thee this day,
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all these cursers shall come upon thee
and overtake thee.
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The Lord shall smite thee with a
consumption and with a fever and with an
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inflammation and with an extreme
burning, and they shall pursue thee
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perish. And thou, well, we don't want
all that, do we?
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The Lord shall make the rain of the land
powder and the dust from heaven shall
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come down upon thee until thou be
destroyed.
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The Lord shall smite thee in the knees
and in the legs.
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Moreover, all these curses shall come
upon thee and shall pursue thee and
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overtake thee till thou be destroyed.
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He shall put forth a yoke of iron upon
thy neck until he have destroyed thee.
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And so says he has asked for this.
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In favor of his experience, his desire
to know and to learn and to grow in his
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own spiritual practice, I ask that you
give this to him.
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But you did ask for this. I did ask for
this, yes.
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Even if you didn't wear this, it's still
connected to you.
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And this is doom oil.
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Doom oil is death unto my enemy.
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It comes from a pot called an nganga.
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And then Ganga's African necromancy.
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So first comes nightmares, random
feelings of dread, confusion,
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fogginess of the mind.
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And then comes sickness, inability to
sleep.
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And then comes loss.
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You're going to have to catch it
somewhere along this process.
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Before it gets too far.
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And if you don't do what's required.
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Everything that's spoken is what's
intended.
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There you go.
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So, we've done it.
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Mm -hmm.
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Feels heavier than I thought.
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Wonderful. It's going to feel heavier
and heavier and heavier and heavier,
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iron around your neck, like it was said.
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If you really want to see if it works,
then don't take it off.
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This is going to be fun.
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How do you feel after doing this?
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That must be quite seductive. It is.
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But that's the power you're calling on.
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The devil, right?
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Quite seductive.
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And now it's with you.
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So a curse can happen to a person,
whether they believe it or even know
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it, because the magic is affecting the
quality of spirit in their world.
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If you don't have a strong sense of self
-identity, no strong sense of
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personality, rather you simply follow
the energy around you as it presents,
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it doesn't matter whether you believe in
it or not, you're going to feel that
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quality of spirit that's being
manipulated around you, and it's going
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you down a path that's going to be
negative.
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I think there's a danger of doing
something that is harmful to you,
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those around you who might not be
protected.
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There are, as I said, there's evil
people, there's evil energies in the
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universe. And if you're playing around
with that and you don't know what you're
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doing, then you'd be lucky to make it
out alive.
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So have you ever seen or experienced the
effects of dark magic?
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Oh yeah, when they broke into my house.
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One person.
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00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:20,699
I knew exactly who the person was.
458
00:34:21,190 --> 00:34:25,909
While I'm gone, he pushes the air
conditioning in and breaks into my
459
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:30,250
But then he went to the altars. That was
the mistake.
460
00:34:30,650 --> 00:34:35,690
And he stole very expensive liquor off
the altars, consecrated items off the
461
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:40,310
altars. I immediately called every elder
that I knew in town.
462
00:34:41,409 --> 00:34:42,989
This isn't about retribution.
463
00:34:43,989 --> 00:34:47,170
This isn't about my desire to want to do
some kind of dark magic.
464
00:34:47,790 --> 00:34:49,650
I cannot protect him.
465
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,199
He violated my shrine.
466
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,880
I can't protect him.
467
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,420
You've got to get him to bring that
back.
468
00:34:58,340 --> 00:34:59,740
Seven days later, he's dead.
469
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Okay, Leon, you can hear me?
470
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:09,880
Great.
471
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:12,260
You can go ahead and open the shutter.
472
00:35:14,300 --> 00:35:19,440
For the last few months, I've heard from
those who practice magic.
473
00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:25,010
Now I'm meeting with parapsychologists
whose research into mind over matter
474
00:35:25,010 --> 00:35:28,490
includes the study of spiritual healers.
475
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:35,030
I want to know how might spiritual
healing occur and should I be worried
476
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:37,030
the opposite, dark magic.
477
00:35:37,610 --> 00:35:41,870
After all, I'm now officially a cursed
man.
478
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:50,400
When I was a kid, My family was very
open to the type of phenomena that we
479
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,840
here, different sorts of healing. My
mother was a healer. It was a family
480
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:55,538
of thing.
481
00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:59,540
And then when I was in my 20s, I found
out the Ryan Research Center existed.
482
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:05,380
It was a place where they had
scientifically studied ESP, PK, and
483
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:07,120
phenomena that I was interested in.
484
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,520
Well, a lot of years later, in 2009, I
joined a research team and started
485
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:13,520
working here.
486
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:17,300
When people think of the term
parapsychology, they think of a lot of
487
00:36:17,300 --> 00:36:22,620
things. Many people think of Bigfoot or
Loch Ness Monster or, you know, chasing
488
00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:27,060
down UFOs. Those are very interesting
topics, but not what we study in
489
00:36:27,060 --> 00:36:28,060
parapsychology.
490
00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:32,480
Parapsychology is actually a science
that studies five very specific
491
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,280
One being telepathy, mind -to -mind
communication.
492
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:42,020
Another, clairvoyance, getting
information about objects or events that
493
00:36:42,020 --> 00:36:46,780
hidden. Third area is precognition,
getting information through time.
494
00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:51,500
We group them together and call them ESP
or extrasensory perception.
495
00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:58,320
In addition to ESP, we also study
psychokinesis, mind -matter interaction.
496
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,260
The fifth area is survival studies.
497
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:06,720
Survival studies includes everything
from near -death experiences, out -of
498
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,920
experiences, past lives, or
reincarnation. So those are the five
499
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:11,960
parapsychologists study.
500
00:37:15,310 --> 00:37:21,130
This is a photo multiplier, too, that
measures really low levels of light.
501
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:27,830
People naturally produce very low levels
of light in the ultraviolet range.
502
00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:32,770
And so what we're looking for in here is
to see if when people are doing
503
00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:38,530
healing, meditation, martial arts, or
any sort of psi activity, whether
504
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:42,650
any change in the light level from them.
And so that's what this machine is
505
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:43,650
designed to do.
506
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:49,320
We take people who say they're healers.
We don't test to make sure they're
507
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,860
healers. People do that in other labs.
People who do medical work are doing
508
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:56,960
that. What we do here is we're trying to
say, what is the mechanism behind
509
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,860
healing? All right, Liam, we've got a
great baseline.
510
00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:02,140
Do you want to go ahead and start your
meditation now?
511
00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:15,570
So you can see we started the active
session, and we had one spike that went
512
00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:19,490
to 12 from the baseline, which was under
7 beforehand.
513
00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:23,870
We just had one spike that went up to
12. That's a nice difference, but we'd
514
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:27,510
like to see a little bit more than just
one. So we'd like to see if we get any
515
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:29,730
more of those throughout the active
session here.
516
00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:33,330
The baseline is typically about 12 to 20
photons a second.
517
00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:35,930
We see that number jump up to 80.
518
00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:38,090
It's four times the baseline.
519
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:40,110
Statistically, very large.
520
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,100
But we also see people go into the
hundreds, into the thousands.
521
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,600
You don't need statistics to figure this
out. There's something unusual going on
522
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,600
in the lab there.
523
00:38:51,140 --> 00:38:54,080
Well, it was pretty much a flat baseline
throughout.
524
00:38:54,460 --> 00:38:56,900
Okay. But there was a slight variation.
525
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,240
And if you look at the graph over here,
you can see as soon as you started, we
526
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:03,178
saw this jump.
527
00:39:03,180 --> 00:39:04,220
up to 11 or 12.
528
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:09,360
Now, normally we would want to see
multiple jumps like this. So I wouldn't
529
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,980
consider this a really strong
indication, but it's a start.
530
00:39:14,260 --> 00:39:19,380
If this bioenergy, if this ultraviolet
light that comes from people is being
531
00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:24,620
used as a carrier wave to transfer
information between people and allow
532
00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:29,140
to occur in another person, perhaps
that's what we're finding in our lab.
533
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:33,510
This is where we are right now looking
at healing in the field of
534
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:34,510
parapsychology.
535
00:39:38,050 --> 00:39:42,710
If people have this ability to heal, do
you think that people have the ability
536
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:46,910
to do the opposite of that and put a
curse on someone, for example, and make
537
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:47,910
them ill?
538
00:39:48,890 --> 00:39:53,510
I don't understand. Why would you let
someone hurt you purposely?
539
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,520
Anyone who is able to affect someone in
a healthy way may also be able to affect
540
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,040
them in a negative way as well and hurt
their health.
541
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,620
No one wants to put themselves in harm's
way. Why would you actually let someone
542
00:40:06,620 --> 00:40:08,400
do that? That would be a dangerous
thing.
543
00:40:08,980 --> 00:40:11,580
I know you have something else in mind
here. Yeah.
544
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:18,080
Well, you know, I'll put the cards on
the table now. I have been around people
545
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,060
who have suggested they have that
ability. Of course. And I have.
546
00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:24,840
I'll have them potentially do that to
me.
547
00:40:27,580 --> 00:40:28,580
Okay.
548
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,200
How you feeling?
549
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,180
I'm in the middle of that right now.
550
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,520
Okay.
551
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:36,240
If you need some help, let me know.
552
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,560
I'm not kidding.
553
00:40:47,780 --> 00:40:53,060
Several weeks after Elias put a curse on
me and I started to get some pretty
554
00:40:53,060 --> 00:40:59,720
unsettling dreams, the most recent
really shook me up and left me feeling
555
00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,740
anxious all day.
556
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,220
I think I need to get some advice on the
dangers of what I'm potentially doing
557
00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:22,340
to my psyche.
558
00:41:23,340 --> 00:41:26,940
I noticed you're not wearing the curse
around your neck right now.
559
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,440
So I was told that it's at its strongest
when I'm wearing it around my neck. But
560
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,620
either way, it's attached to me and
doing its work regardless.
561
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:41,340
Within about three to four weeks of
going through that experience, I did
562
00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:43,980
to have some very bad dreams.
563
00:41:47,650 --> 00:41:49,690
more violent, more sinister.
564
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:56,590
I had a dream in which I was being held
captive or something was going to
565
00:41:56,590 --> 00:42:01,750
was going to torture
566
00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:06,650
my cat and make me watch it.
567
00:42:08,430 --> 00:42:11,910
The only way to stop this from happening
would be if I had
568
00:42:14,830 --> 00:42:19,690
tried to put my cat to sleep to stop him
suffering.
569
00:42:21,870 --> 00:42:28,390
And that dream really, really got to me.
570
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:29,689
I'll bet.
571
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:30,690
Yeah.
572
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:38,230
That was one of the moments,
particularly when I felt maybe this
573
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:39,230
is getting to me.
574
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:46,210
For me, seeking out something like
They're seeking out curses. What are the
575
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:48,970
potential psychological dangers for me?
576
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:52,130
Well, I think some of them you've
experienced already.
577
00:42:53,470 --> 00:43:00,090
Anxiety and some fear that's come up. I
think those are natural, normal
578
00:43:00,090 --> 00:43:01,110
suggestions.
579
00:43:03,090 --> 00:43:05,870
They bypass the rational mind.
580
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:11,510
They go right to the subconscious,
bypass the rational mind, and then they
581
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:16,850
influence not only your expectations and
your perceptions, but your behaviors
582
00:43:16,850 --> 00:43:19,170
without you being aware of it.
583
00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:25,170
In my estimation, the danger is that
then it just takes over and everything
584
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:28,350
becomes a negative. Everything becomes a
problem.
585
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:33,570
And what you did was you went out and
said, I'm going to lean into the
586
00:43:33,570 --> 00:43:34,570
right now.
587
00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:41,560
And so how far do you take that? At what
point is there enough anxiety for you,
588
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:48,440
enough bad dreams for you, enough things
for you to make a choice to lean into
589
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,440
the positive?
590
00:43:51,860 --> 00:43:57,640
As upsetting as they may have been, I
don't think my violent nightmares are
591
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,300
enough to convince me of the existence
of magic just yet.
592
00:44:03,370 --> 00:44:05,170
So I've decided to go further.
593
00:44:05,390 --> 00:44:10,970
I'm seeking out another curse from a
place known for some of the oldest
594
00:44:10,970 --> 00:44:13,470
teachings of magic in the world.
595
00:44:16,810 --> 00:44:21,970
Perhaps this is tempting fate, but I
keep my curse with me as I travel to a
596
00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:25,910
place known as the Land of Black Magic.
597
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,720
I'm traveling to the village of Mayang
in the very northeast of India.
598
00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:42,080
Perched on the banks of the vast
Brahmaputra river, Mayang's traditional
599
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:49,080
life shrouds its rich history of magic,
witchcraft, and even human sacrifice.
600
00:44:51,100 --> 00:44:56,460
Its unbroken lineage of magical
teachings have passed on through the
601
00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:58,160
for hundreds of years.
602
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:06,700
Today, It's illegal to perform dark
magic, and the practices are shrouded in
603
00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:07,700
secrecy.
604
00:45:09,580 --> 00:45:14,620
Luckily, I have an old friend who's a
seasoned journalist here in India, and
605
00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:19,540
he's agreed to help me find some of
India's elusive magic practitioners.
606
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:29,040
Mayang is not a small place. It must be
maybe in the 50, 60, 70 square
607
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,040
kilometers area.
608
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:36,880
And Muang is pretty much the epicenter
of all black magic in
609
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,000
this country.
610
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:45,560
So this place where we are at here today
is a temple which has been around here
611
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:46,760
for hundreds of years now.
612
00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:53,200
And it's a primary location where people
come to cleanse themselves of any black
613
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,460
magic that's been carried out on them.
How difficult is it going to be to see
614
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:59,360
some black magic practice for ourselves?
615
00:46:00,170 --> 00:46:05,750
It's banned by Indian law. It's very
difficult. People are very scared to
616
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:07,950
talk about it. Forget, begin showing
you.
617
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:09,930
It's not going to be an easy task.
618
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:15,310
The practitioner here, he helps remove
the black magic on you. So if somebody
619
00:46:15,310 --> 00:46:20,030
may cast a spell on you, he removes all
of those spirits. He says he'll be able
620
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:21,150
to clean that out for you.
621
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:28,300
Tara Baba is one of India's mystical
tantric practitioners who are said to
622
00:46:28,300 --> 00:46:33,740
the ability to weave together both our
physical and supernatural worlds.
623
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:40,560
I'm hoping to learn more about the power
of this ancient practice before I seek
624
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,840
out a dark magic experience.
625
00:46:51,420 --> 00:46:53,020
There are a lot of wild animals here.
626
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:58,800
This is a tiger, this is a bull, and I
don't know, there are thousands of
627
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,800
forests. There are snakes.
628
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,920
There are a lot of big snakes here. They
come here and sit here from time to
629
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,460
time. All animals are my friends. They
are your friends.
630
00:47:07,340 --> 00:47:10,080
In our Hindu, there are three mantras.
631
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:12,360
Tantra, mantra, yantra.
632
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:14,260
And I have the knowledge of all three.
633
00:47:16,780 --> 00:47:17,900
If someone does tantra,
634
00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:33,530
So this is possession of a jinn.
635
00:47:59,569 --> 00:48:04,470
I'm shaken by the theme of a real life
exorcism.
636
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:12,210
Whether or not it's evil spirit or
simply belief through the power of
637
00:48:12,210 --> 00:48:18,580
suggestion, either way, I'm reminded
just how fragile and susceptible our
638
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:24,060
can be to these dangers, especially if
we go looking for them.
639
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,420
The spiritual practice of Tantra is of
course much more than witchcraft.
640
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,640
First recorded in the 6th century, Its
teachings suggest everything in this
641
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:52,180
material world is interconnected and
infused with divine feminine power.
642
00:48:53,820 --> 00:49:00,100
My obsession with finding dark magic
seems aligned with an important tantric
643
00:49:00,100 --> 00:49:06,020
principle that by actively engaging with
our spiritual obstacles such as desire
644
00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:12,460
and fear we can learn to overcome them
and become interwoven physically and
645
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:15,670
spiritually. with all that surrounds us.
646
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:24,570
Tonight is an important Hindu festival,
and at temples across the country, there
647
00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:28,050
will be large celebrations in honor of
Lord Ganesha.
648
00:49:28,890 --> 00:49:33,410
It's an important opportunity to find
some local magic practitioners.
649
00:49:34,450 --> 00:49:39,290
To help me navigate the festival, I'm
meeting with local guide and wildlife
650
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:41,150
photographer, Champak.
651
00:50:00,439 --> 00:50:06,240
As the evening celebrations get
underway, our team makes an important
652
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:11,620
with this secretive tantric who agreed
to perform a dark magic ritual.
653
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:14,250
but only in the remote jungle.
654
00:50:15,190 --> 00:50:20,550
The local tantrics have advised us not
to venture into the wild with this
655
00:50:20,550 --> 00:50:21,630
unknown practitioner.
656
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:27,630
But my time here is running short, and
I'm determined to experience a dark
657
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:29,270
ritual for myself.
658
00:50:31,660 --> 00:50:36,420
So basically, I'm worried about the
safety issues first because we don't
659
00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:40,900
about him as we already spoke about it.
He was speaking about the goddess
660
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:47,720
Chinnamasta. So she is the goddess of
black magic. Right. And you don't know
661
00:50:47,720 --> 00:50:54,220
dangerous she is. She might just slit
off your head if she is angry. Okay.
662
00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:55,300
yours, and I...
663
00:50:55,530 --> 00:50:57,250
Will not be able to do anything.
664
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:58,530
It's like, whoa.
665
00:50:59,450 --> 00:51:01,790
That's what he said. Yeah, that's what
he said.
666
00:51:02,090 --> 00:51:03,090
Will there be weapons?
667
00:51:03,410 --> 00:51:07,510
Oh, of course there'll be weapons
because they use swords.
668
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:09,730
Definitely they'll be there.
669
00:51:10,250 --> 00:51:11,990
I guess that's new information.
670
00:51:12,370 --> 00:51:17,290
The path is really, you know, dangerous
and full of wild animals.
671
00:51:17,550 --> 00:51:22,580
And also the ceremony he does, like the
prayers he does, is always at... At
672
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:24,140
night. Then we can't come back down?
673
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,760
No. Seems very isolated.
674
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,360
Very isolated in the jungle. And he was
talking about all the, you know,
675
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:36,720
encounters with deities and dangerous,
you know, demons, spirits and all,
676
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,160
right? Right.
677
00:51:38,420 --> 00:51:39,359
So we don't know.
678
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,240
Right. I guess we sleep on it and just
see what we can do because I don't want
679
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,220
to go home and not get it, but I'm
certainly not going to put anyone at
680
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:47,440
Yeah. Yeah.
681
00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:04,200
India's spiritual devotees awaken early
to begin their daily prayers.
682
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,380
It's the place where both life and death
is celebrated.
683
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:21,420
This is our final day here, our last
chance to find authentic magic.
684
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:30,240
So despite the warnings, my crew and I
have decided to meet the tantric,
685
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:36,060
to take us to his place of spiritual
practice, deep in the jungle mountain.
686
00:52:40,300 --> 00:52:45,840
With packed supplies, we begin the mile
and a half ascent to a cave where he
687
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,620
will call upon his goddess, Chinnamasta.
688
00:52:50,180 --> 00:52:55,170
It seems fitting that my journey to find
light from the dark has led me to
689
00:52:55,170 --> 00:53:01,510
Chinnamatta, the goddess of both life
and death, of destruction
690
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:06,530
and recreation, the goddess of
contradictions.
691
00:53:09,610 --> 00:53:14,270
As we near our destination, we cross a
ring of brush fires.
692
00:53:15,390 --> 00:53:18,730
I'm told they won't burn much past the
dry leaves.
693
00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:23,050
Maybe it's just the curse already
attached to me.
694
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:28,640
But I can't help but feel that our
options for escape are being choked off.
695
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:52,740
The tantrics prepare the sacred space
with offerings to the gods as we await.
696
00:53:53,150 --> 00:53:54,150
nightfall.
697
00:53:55,010 --> 00:54:00,310
Tonight, the tantric here is going to
try and invoke the spirit of
698
00:54:00,410 --> 00:54:02,750
Yes. And that spirit is going to judge
upon us.
699
00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:05,870
Right. After sunset, he will do his
work.
700
00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:12,530
According to him, Ma may appear here or
Ma may talk with us.
701
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:15,470
What happens? I don't know, but let's
see.
702
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:26,240
As the night finally draws closer, The
Tantric focuses his mind ready for
703
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:27,320
tonight's ritual.
704
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:34,580
Before I have a chance to question the
choices that have led me here, I'm
705
00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:36,400
summoned into the sacred space.
706
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:46,220
Never before has my fate been so
literally in the
707
00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:47,600
hands of the God.
708
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,520
Close your eyes.
709
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:55,380
Remember God with your heart.
710
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:57,780
God will talk to you here.
711
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,280
Ma! Ma!
712
00:55:58,280 --> 00:55:59,218
You're good.
713
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:01,640
You're relaxed.
714
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,160
I relax this body?
715
00:56:04,460 --> 00:56:05,460
Yes.
716
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:07,000
You're relaxed.
717
00:56:14,380 --> 00:56:20,080
I'm not sure what I was expecting.
718
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,340
Perhaps the goddess herself would rise
from the flames.
719
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,200
But real magic isn't. They'd show trick.
720
00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:33,200
How much feel this body?
721
00:56:33,460 --> 00:56:34,620
I feel good. I feel strong.
722
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:35,880
Strong? Yes.
723
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,320
Very strong?
724
00:56:37,620 --> 00:56:38,840
Yes, I do.
725
00:57:08,749 --> 00:57:15,030
There have been times in my life when I
found clues that we may all be connected
726
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:21,270
universally and spiritually in a way
that's hard to intellectually define.
727
00:57:22,270 --> 00:57:26,580
I'm starting to realize that my search
isn't for a curve.
728
00:57:27,100 --> 00:57:33,960
I'm looking for a door, for a gateway to
the divine, something that
729
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,400
I've experienced before.
730
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:50,840
There was one big event in my life. I
had a big climbing accident.
731
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,300
Yeah, I know you told me about that
before.
732
00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:58,520
So I was climbing a big route back home
in the UK.
733
00:57:58,820 --> 00:58:02,260
I got right to the top, and then my foot
got stuck in the rock.
734
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:08,360
I realized I hadn't placed enough gear
in the rock as I went up.
735
00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:13,620
What that means is I would probably hit
the ground if I fell off. It was terror,
736
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,660
absolute terror, because I had to get my
foot out of the rock that was stuck.
737
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,580
And the minute my foot came out, my hand
came away.
738
00:58:22,100 --> 00:58:23,100
And I fell.
739
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:28,400
I just remember putting my hands over my
eyes. I just remember thinking, I'm
740
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,100
going to die and I just don't want to
see it when it happens.
741
00:58:32,860 --> 00:58:34,840
This is where it gets strange.
742
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:40,080
I went from the most fear I've ever had
in my life
743
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:46,340
to feeling an incredible, incredible
744
00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:48,640
sense of bliss.
745
00:58:49,540 --> 00:58:52,240
I felt so...
746
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:59,800
at peace in a way that was just
incredible just it it to this day it
747
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:06,120
no sense by luck i didn't hit the ground
and i was like i'm alive
748
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:12,840
i felt like i touched something that
wasn't on our
749
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:18,440
normal natural level and i don't know
what that is i don't know what it was
750
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,940
it it bugs me it bugs me that It makes
me feel like there's stuff I don't
751
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:28,760
understand or I'm not prepared to look
into. I know this won't make sense to
752
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,880
most people. Like, why would you do
this?
753
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:36,900
I almost want to experience the darkness
to know that there is a light.
754
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,160
And I think that's what I'm looking for.
755
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,040
I now know that if I want to prove to
myself that my climbing fall experience
756
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:11,860
was real, I can't be afraid to put
myself in danger. So I'm seeking out the
757
01:00:11,860 --> 01:00:13,980
dangerous magic I can find.
758
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,260
I've come to Catamaco in southern
Mexico, a beautiful and deeply spiritual
759
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,760
Ironically, it's most famous not for its
revered Catholic church, but as a mecca
760
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,120
for witchcraft.
761
01:00:32,330 --> 01:00:36,950
The city's rich tradition of shamanism
dates back to the ancient Olmec
762
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:42,230
civilization, and it's still home to
many male and female witches known as
763
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:43,790
brujos and brujas.
764
01:00:45,050 --> 01:00:51,510
Every year a festival is held along the
shores of Lake Catamaco, a gathering of
765
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:53,630
the area's many witchcraft
practitioners.
766
01:00:54,990 --> 01:00:59,650
Crowds in their thousands will come to
see the spectacularly dressed shamans
767
01:00:59,650 --> 01:01:01,390
parade through the city.
768
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:11,320
A celebration of their deeply respected
magical practice and history.
769
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,960
And for many visitors, it's a chance to
meet with the Brujos to seek out a
770
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:24,080
magical spell in search of better
health, fortune, or maybe something more
771
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,080
nefarious.
772
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,680
And of course, I'm here to meet one of
the Brujos.
773
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:36,320
still seeking a spiritual experience
through the power of dark magic.
774
01:01:59,310 --> 01:02:04,350
Mi nombre es Juan Rosario Toto, mayor
conocido como el hermano Juan.
775
01:02:05,370 --> 01:02:09,990
Mi oficio es ser chamán y sacerdote
negro, que es brujo.
776
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:16,570
Cuando el paciente viene entrando al
consultorio, ya sabemos qué trae de
777
01:02:16,570 --> 01:02:17,570
problema.
778
01:02:18,430 --> 01:02:22,810
Más bien somos como adivino, porque lo
traemos de sangre, de genes.
779
01:02:23,330 --> 01:02:26,210
Es un don que traemos, sabemos
visualizar bien.
780
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:31,060
the moment that the person is going
through.
781
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:36,260
It's like driving a white line. All the
amulets, everything that is of light,
782
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:37,620
that is a shaman.
783
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:44,240
The black priest is because we have
already mixed the sanatism, the dark
784
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,240
rituals.
785
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:54,180
I suffered from alcoholism from the age
of 13 to 17, 18 years, more or less.
786
01:02:55,460 --> 01:03:02,160
Yo elegí a él a mis 17 años en mi vida
personal porque a mí me sacó de
787
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,880
una adicción que yo padecía, que era
alcoholismo.
788
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:11,960
Le pedí mucho a él y me llegó el momento
que dejé de beber.
789
01:03:12,420 --> 01:03:16,980
Para mí fue mi Dios, o ha sido mi Dios,
y mi creencia, ¿no?
790
01:03:17,540 --> 01:03:22,380
Pero él es un ángel también, de
oscuridad, pero es un ángel.
791
01:03:23,100 --> 01:03:25,560
Que ve por las necesidades del ser
humano también.
792
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:39,940
Hola. Hola, hola.
793
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:41,560
Tome asiento.
794
01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:43,060
Bienvenido.
795
01:03:43,420 --> 01:03:44,480
Igualmente, igualmente.
796
01:03:44,980 --> 01:03:51,800
In the Christian religion, they say that
Satan is a negative and evil person.
797
01:03:52,460 --> 01:03:54,620
Why is it that you feel that that's not
the case?
798
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:20,320
So I'm looking for something of an
unusual request. I'm looking for someone
799
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,620
put a curse on me.
800
01:04:21,900 --> 01:04:24,440
Is that something that you could do?
801
01:04:50,700 --> 01:04:57,040
What are the potential things that could
happen to me once I make this request?
802
01:05:05,550 --> 01:05:11,590
Puede suceder desde un quebranto
económico, divorcio, accidentes, pero
803
01:05:11,590 --> 01:05:17,650
lo que quieres vivir, yo te voy a guiar
y te voy a presentar con Satán para que
804
01:05:17,650 --> 01:05:21,350
tú puedas pedir y que te cumpla lo que
deseas personalmente.
805
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:22,710
Muchas gracias.
806
01:05:33,130 --> 01:05:38,950
I already have one curse attached to me,
but something in my gut is telling me
807
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:41,330
there's still more to experience.
808
01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:46,310
So tonight, Juan has invited me to a
satanic black mass.
809
01:05:47,050 --> 01:05:52,590
I'm told this is the first step in
making a pact with the devil.
810
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:01,900
Buenas noches a todos ustedes.
811
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,200
Bienvenidos.
812
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,560
Pero sobre todo no estamos aquí por
curiosidad.
813
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:17,100
Puedo sentir que a cada uno de ustedes
trae ciertas losas en su vida
814
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:18,100
personal.
815
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,620
Los problemas que nos acechan día a día.
816
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:27,820
Desde salud, problemas económicos,
817
01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:32,290
Pero para eso estamos aquí, para eso nos
dimos cita hasta el día de hoy.
818
01:06:33,710 --> 01:06:37,170
Señor Satan, Lucifer, te doy gracias.
819
01:06:37,770 --> 01:06:39,870
En este momento abrimos este portal.
820
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:45,730
Pido humildemente para que escuches a
cada uno de los visitantes, porque
821
01:06:45,730 --> 01:06:48,310
derecho de tener paz y felicidad y
abundancia.
822
01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:50,210
Y así será.
823
01:07:17,740 --> 01:07:22,700
Los invito a cada uno de ustedes a hacer
una purificación de cuerpo y alma y
824
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:23,700
espíritu.
825
01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:28,720
En este momento, Señor Satán, todos tus
problemas se han desaparecido.
826
01:07:29,260 --> 01:07:33,640
En este momento, Señor Satán, resuelve
todas las angustias y dolores en el
827
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:38,880
Oh, Señor Satán, que todo lo que llegue
en su vida se cumpla.
828
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:46,360
Presentamos a este hermano que viene de
tan lejos por un propósito.
829
01:07:46,810 --> 01:07:48,390
Que tu propósito se cumpla.
830
01:07:48,830 --> 01:07:50,170
Que así sea, hermano.
831
01:07:54,730 --> 01:07:58,770
Que todo dolor sea quebrantado esta
noche.
832
01:07:59,430 --> 01:08:03,170
No lo dejes todo, Señor de la oscuridad.
833
01:08:06,270 --> 01:08:11,550
Oh, Señor Satán, no abandones este tu
discípulo.
834
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:14,310
Cúralos con tu poder.
835
01:08:15,740 --> 01:08:17,220
Libera los de todo peligro.
836
01:08:21,060 --> 01:08:23,260
Señor Lucifer, con tu fuego purifica.
837
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:25,840
Purificanos, Padre.
838
01:09:11,020 --> 01:09:14,300
So tonight was pretty intense to see and
be a part of.
839
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:19,300
It's hard to talk about the emotion, the
sense of the feeling you get, the
840
01:09:19,300 --> 01:09:23,120
energy level that you get when you're in
an environment like that.
841
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:29,439
The music, the smoke, the fire, the
drums, it's all building up inside of
842
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,620
and it creates a really powerful energy.
843
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:37,380
And I can see why that puts you in a
state of mind that could make you more
844
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:38,859
susceptible to believing.
845
01:09:39,819 --> 01:09:44,899
Or some would argue that it puts you in
a state of mind more open to receive and
846
01:09:44,899 --> 01:09:46,800
to connect with the spirit world.
847
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:54,540
So tonight, in theory, I opened up this
dialogue, this conversation with Satan.
848
01:09:55,020 --> 01:09:56,860
But that's just the first part.
849
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,640
Tomorrow we're going to Satan's cave.
850
01:10:00,060 --> 01:10:05,000
Juan says it's where he has a more
powerful and direct connection with the
851
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,000
spirit world.
852
01:10:06,300 --> 01:10:11,700
And there I'm going to enter into a pact
with Satan to put this curse upon me.
853
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:18,720
I think how this one is different and
how the game has changed is that in this
854
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:23,280
scenario I have to write down exactly
what it is I want to occur.
855
01:10:23,940 --> 01:10:29,340
So I'm not asking to test somebody
else's power. I'm actually requesting a
856
01:10:29,340 --> 01:10:30,580
upon myself.
857
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:35,720
I'm entering a pact with Satan to
request the negative thing.
858
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:40,180
An illness, an injury, or even death?
859
01:10:42,260 --> 01:10:47,560
I want to give this a serious attempt at
experiencing something supernatural.
860
01:10:48,780 --> 01:10:53,960
But is it supernatural, or am I just
using my own mind against myself?
861
01:10:55,460 --> 01:10:58,900
I have to think very carefully about
what I write in this pact.
862
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:03,920
What I'm requesting is so extreme that I
don't even want to share it with
863
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:04,920
anyone.
864
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:10,940
because there may be some very real
consequences to what I'm doing and
865
01:11:10,940 --> 01:11:15,240
magical or psychological I guess I'll
have to wait and see
866
01:11:58,470 --> 01:12:04,570
Vas a vivir una experiencia de quebranto
de tu vida que jamás la has vivido.
867
01:12:05,450 --> 01:12:10,970
En este momento te presento ante el
Señor Satán para que pidas la
868
01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:12,750
que quieres vivir.
869
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:17,890
Si pides un quebranto de tu vida, Él te
lo va a cumplir.
870
01:12:18,690 --> 01:12:21,490
Esto es de mucha seriedad, de mucho
respeto.
871
01:12:22,770 --> 01:12:26,370
Oh, mi Señor Satán, pido permiso.
872
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:33,560
Y aquí tu discípulo, escucha en este
momento su ruego de este
873
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:38,420
hermano, que ahora pertenece a ti por el
momento, no lo abandones.
874
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:40,440
¿Quieres sentir tu poder?
875
01:12:40,940 --> 01:12:42,780
Él te sirve más vivo que muerto.
876
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:45,240
No lo abandones.
877
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:50,940
Te viene a pedir para vivir una
experiencia de su vida propia.
878
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:56,240
Es una ofrenda que él va a salir de su
corazón y él sabe lo que él te prometió.
879
01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:10,220
Satan, this is my request to you and I
humbly offer it to you.
880
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:39,870
Bien. Que así sea, que así va a ser, mi
señor.
881
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:44,130
Que sus propósitos se cumplan de lo que
él quiere vivir.
882
01:13:46,270 --> 01:13:47,270
Mi tatán.
883
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:15,940
Do you see a correlation or any
connection between the power of
884
01:14:15,940 --> 01:14:21,640
magic? Certainly after being in Mexico
and making that request
885
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:28,600
on myself, I do wonder if that even took
886
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:29,880
the dreams up another level.
887
01:14:31,420 --> 01:14:37,440
Certainly I feel the idea of me looking
over my shoulder and being more wary of
888
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:38,440
situations.
889
01:14:38,830 --> 01:14:43,950
has definitely ramped up. The feeling
that maybe you just need to be a bit
890
01:14:43,950 --> 01:14:45,190
cautious right now.
891
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:47,370
Do you regret having done it?
892
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:56,110
I genuinely have one big fear that I may
have
893
01:14:56,110 --> 01:14:58,730
done some physical damage to myself.
894
01:14:59,190 --> 01:15:04,790
We know that science has proved things
like the placebo and nocebo effect and
895
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:10,330
our minds can have physical effects on
our body when we believe.
896
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:16,370
My feelings about regret might be
different if I was to find out that my
897
01:15:16,370 --> 01:15:19,370
results show up a problem that I didn't
have six months ago.
898
01:15:27,310 --> 01:15:31,110
The mountain biking is definitely one of
my biggest passions in life.
899
01:15:31,390 --> 01:15:36,550
There really is nothing like getting
down the trails, shredding, having fun.
900
01:15:37,530 --> 01:15:42,390
And I've got to admit, since going to
New Orleans, getting a car, and then
901
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:47,470
coming out of the cave in Mexico, it's
put me off riding and that's been
902
01:15:47,470 --> 01:15:51,110
me down. So I've decided to put that
behind me right now.
903
01:15:51,470 --> 01:15:55,530
I've got to get out on the trails, have
some fun, and just stop thinking about
904
01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:56,530
all that stuff, you know?
905
01:16:38,629 --> 01:16:43,970
The hospital x -ray showed nothing was
broken, thankfully, but I had a pretty
906
01:16:43,970 --> 01:16:45,530
deep cut that needed stitches.
907
01:16:46,130 --> 01:16:51,310
The swelling to the knee was pretty
extensive and took five or six weeks to
908
01:16:51,310 --> 01:16:53,150
and get myself walking properly again.
909
01:16:53,850 --> 01:16:58,050
Even when I tried to get away from it,
my mind's haunted by curses.
910
01:16:59,330 --> 01:17:02,390
Where your attention goes, your energy
flows.
911
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:06,540
and I fear I'm becoming a danger to
myself.
912
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:19,880
What is strange, though, is I checked
out the footage from Elias' curse, and
913
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,380
where he got specific shocked me.
914
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,640
The Lord shall smite thee in the knees
and in the legs.
915
01:17:30,440 --> 01:17:33,660
Is magic real, and if so, where does it
come from?
916
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:41,120
Magic is the fact that you are an
animate creature existing currently
917
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,640
who is conscious enough to ask the
question.
918
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,820
That is magic. So, yes, magic is as real
as that.
919
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,440
It's not wrong to go out and seek
experiences.
920
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,960
There is value in it, but you have to be
careful.
921
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,340
Because all those things are true.
922
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:02,380
All those things are very, very true.
923
01:18:22,700 --> 01:18:27,320
paranoid all the time even sitting in
traffic I keep thinking that every car
924
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:31,880
going to hit me every time the phone
rings I think that something bad has
925
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:36,200
happened and it's just this constant
sense of dread
926
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:43,080
maybe it's connected to my
927
01:18:43,080 --> 01:18:49,180
lack of sleep but I have this physical
feeling that something bad is coming
928
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,580
How long do you want to remain the
cursed man?
929
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:05,640
I think I've had enough.
930
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,600
Was it the dreams where you said, I've
had enough, exactly?
931
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:14,100
Or was it the accident or the anxiety?
932
01:19:14,700 --> 01:19:19,180
As the odd little things that are more
physical are happening, it's chipping
933
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:21,660
away at the armor of it's all in your
mind.
934
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:28,740
And I feel like if I don't try and maybe
undo this some way, whether or not
935
01:19:28,740 --> 01:19:30,160
magic is real or not,
936
01:19:30,990 --> 01:19:34,870
I might be finding and forming some real
negative habits.
937
01:19:35,150 --> 01:19:41,810
So what has stopped you so far from
releasing yourself from them?
938
01:19:42,090 --> 01:19:46,130
I don't know whether or not it's going
to be as easy to do as just that.
939
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:53,270
I think now I'm in a tricky position
where if I perhaps didn't
940
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:57,790
believe in magic and yet somehow it's
got into my subconscious.
941
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:03,300
that now I'm actually going to have to
believe in order to get myself out of
942
01:20:03,300 --> 01:20:04,300
there.
943
01:20:11,380 --> 01:20:18,140
Despite your warnings, I have found not
one, but
944
01:20:18,140 --> 01:20:22,740
two people who were prepared to put a
curse on me.
945
01:20:23,380 --> 01:20:26,120
See, this is why they wonder about us,
Bruce. They think we're crazy.
946
01:20:26,380 --> 01:20:27,660
I can't imagine why.
947
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:33,100
And I feel like I'm getting a laundry
list of things that are starting to go
948
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:38,960
wrong. I have brought with me a couple
of clips from the things that have been
949
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:39,960
done to me.
950
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,640
We're going to be first tying you to one
of these coffin nails.
951
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:50,400
So some of your hair. The Lord shall
smite thee with a consumption and with a
952
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,640
fever. with an inflammation and with an
extreme burning, and they shall pursue
953
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:55,900
thee until thou perish.
954
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:00,080
The Lord shall smite thee in the knees
and in the legs,
955
01:21:00,140 --> 01:21:06,560
and he shall put forth a yoke of iron
upon thy neck
956
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,700
until he hath destroyed thee.
957
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:10,640
Wow.
958
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:11,920
Damn, dude.
959
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:15,500
So that was about six months ago now,
and there's certainly been some things
960
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:16,478
happening to me.
961
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:17,780
Dude, it's not happening in your dreams?
962
01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:21,750
Yeah. that I'm having pretty severe
nightmares now, actually.
963
01:21:21,970 --> 01:21:24,110
You haven't lost any limbs or anything
since, though, right?
964
01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:26,070
No.
965
01:21:26,350 --> 01:21:31,170
About five, six weeks after that
happened to my knee,
966
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:35,270
I had to have stitches in the knee.
967
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:38,570
That's nasty. It doesn't stop at the
knee, though. It goes on.
968
01:21:38,930 --> 01:21:41,870
If you don't cut this short, this can
get really bad. It's going to start to
969
01:21:41,870 --> 01:21:42,870
very physical.
970
01:21:43,150 --> 01:21:49,010
Perhaps I should have stopped there. I
found a brujo in Mexico who aligns his
971
01:21:49,010 --> 01:21:50,910
work specifically with Satan.
972
01:21:51,190 --> 01:21:55,650
He told me that I had to write down the
request, and I would petition that
973
01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:57,870
request to Satan at a very special
place.
974
01:21:58,290 --> 01:22:00,830
I did that. It was bound in blood.
975
01:22:01,190 --> 01:22:03,410
Binding with blood doesn't make it easy
to undo.
976
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:13,770
Satan,
977
01:22:14,890 --> 01:22:20,330
this is my request to you, and I humbly
offer it to you, and I thank you for it.
978
01:22:23,670 --> 01:22:29,670
We marked it.
979
01:22:32,670 --> 01:22:39,030
This one is something that you got
marked and you got, and you petitioned,
980
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:43,260
For a life, not just a curse, but this
is going to be your life from now on,
981
01:22:43,260 --> 01:22:46,860
basically what I was hearing. The
problem here is you're approaching it
982
01:22:46,860 --> 01:22:50,340
party trick, and so therefore that very
action is disrespectful.
983
01:22:50,660 --> 01:22:56,320
And for that, you may get a slap or we
may have a fight on our hands. To be
984
01:22:56,320 --> 01:23:00,320
honest, just so you know, going into
trying to undo this, you're going to
985
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:05,320
to find faith in this in order to undo
it. You're going to be the key to
986
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:06,320
it. Okay.
987
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:35,930
Okay, you ready? I am. All right, come
with me.
988
01:23:39,990 --> 01:23:40,990
One is thine.
989
01:23:43,330 --> 01:23:44,330
Three for thee.
990
01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:47,410
Nine is mine.
991
01:23:54,050 --> 01:23:55,050
One for the Lamb.
992
01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:56,790
And one for you.
993
01:23:58,910 --> 01:23:59,910
One for thine.
994
01:24:01,810 --> 01:24:05,970
Three for thee, and nine is mine.
995
01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:11,790
And as each person comes in, you're
going to give them one coin each.
996
01:24:12,690 --> 01:24:17,630
Three for thee, and nine is mine.
997
01:24:37,049 --> 01:24:38,410
We are
998
01:24:38,410 --> 01:24:46,750
grouped
999
01:24:46,750 --> 01:24:52,610
here together to close contracts for
Liam's legitimate reasons.
1000
01:24:52,830 --> 01:24:54,170
I think he was a fool.
1001
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:56,130
But we're here to undo it.
1002
01:25:01,390 --> 01:25:04,890
I call upon my gods.
1003
01:25:07,050 --> 01:25:11,850
Hear the blood in my veins. Know the
oaths I have made on the ancient altars.
1004
01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:18,290
I call to the watchers. Black spirits
and white, red spirits and gray.
1005
01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:20,770
Mingle, mingle, mingle who may.
1006
01:25:21,070 --> 01:25:23,150
Tata -ta -ta -ta round and about.
1007
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:25,590
A world within and a world without.
1008
01:25:25,990 --> 01:25:28,390
A world within and a world without.
1009
01:25:28,610 --> 01:25:32,290
The good stay in and the ill stay out.
1010
01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:40,540
Two curses have been placed upon Liam.
1011
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:45,080
The first was made to be undone.
1012
01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:50,560
In the service of Liam, I now in this
moment
1013
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:55,460
sever this curse.
1014
01:25:56,340 --> 01:25:57,680
Bow tight.
1015
01:26:09,870 --> 01:26:11,290
Unravel and clean.
1016
01:26:11,690 --> 01:26:12,690
Take it apart.
1017
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:18,370
Shred it. Get it all broken up. Take the
fickle. Cut some threads. Cut the
1018
01:26:18,370 --> 01:26:21,730
fabric. Get it removed, severed.
1019
01:26:23,290 --> 01:26:26,110
Give blessing to the one that served
you.
1020
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:29,410
Know that it has done its job.
1021
01:26:34,410 --> 01:26:38,570
Thank you for giving me this experience,
but I'm glad that it ended. This is
1022
01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:40,270
over, and it is done.
1023
01:26:46,930 --> 01:26:48,250
The next one is harder.
1024
01:26:51,290 --> 01:26:52,290
Covent red.
1025
01:27:07,050 --> 01:27:13,810
I call to you, fallen angel, the
contract now, he asks, be brought to
1026
01:27:13,810 --> 01:27:14,810
close.
1027
01:27:15,310 --> 01:27:21,790
The knowledge he has gleaned, he knows
to be true, and through this work that
1028
01:27:21,790 --> 01:27:28,250
is doing, he will share this knowledge
with the world. For this, he asks that
1029
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:32,710
the recognition of this pact be
completed and laid down.
1030
01:27:33,070 --> 01:27:34,330
Look into the mirror.
1031
01:27:34,810 --> 01:27:36,510
And speak to that completion.
1032
01:27:37,770 --> 01:27:39,410
Do you know it to be true, Liam?
1033
01:27:40,150 --> 01:27:41,970
Yes, I know this to be true.
1034
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:43,850
I recognize the power.
1035
01:27:44,450 --> 01:27:45,830
I have had enough.
1036
01:27:46,290 --> 01:27:47,249
You are ready.
1037
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:52,550
I am ready. This is completely over. It
is done. I am finished with this.
1038
01:27:52,770 --> 01:27:57,550
Do you see that day that you were in
that cave and you made this pact?
1039
01:27:58,010 --> 01:27:59,490
Yes. Push.
1040
01:28:00,470 --> 01:28:01,470
Push.
1041
01:28:01,770 --> 01:28:02,870
You feel the pact?
1042
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:08,140
Yes, I feel it. You see him before you.
I can see it, yes. I felt that energy.
1043
01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:09,279
Do you feel it now?
1044
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,580
I can feel it, yes. Now sever them,
tethers.
1045
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,640
Sever them one by one. Rip them to
shreds.
1046
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,820
I have severed these tethers. I have
severed these bindings. With honor and
1047
01:28:18,820 --> 01:28:20,520
respect. With honor and respect.
1048
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,380
Feel it, all that is bound in you. Now
be bound within that mirror.
1049
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:26,200
Use your breath.
1050
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:29,360
Again.
1051
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:30,560
Roar!
1052
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:32,180
Roar! Roar!
1053
01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:39,060
What's that?
1054
01:28:40,180 --> 01:28:41,180
Into it!
1055
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:42,920
And seal!
1056
01:28:47,060 --> 01:28:48,060
Yes!
1057
01:28:51,540 --> 01:28:52,540
Done?
1058
01:28:54,020 --> 01:28:55,060
Done. Put it in.
1059
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:57,760
Hands upon the rim of the cauldron.
1060
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,200
That done.
1061
01:29:17,169 --> 01:29:19,490
There is no other contract.
1062
01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:23,650
Everything has been laid down. Now shred
this and put it in.
1063
01:29:24,910 --> 01:29:26,190
Contract is done.
1064
01:29:27,950 --> 01:29:31,410
All honor and respect. I return what you
gave me.
1065
01:29:48,860 --> 01:29:50,220
Which is, use your eyes.
1066
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:51,840
Let the sight be true.
1067
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:55,380
Ah, there it went.
1068
01:29:58,020 --> 01:29:59,020
It's done.
1069
01:30:00,740 --> 01:30:01,740
Everyone okay?
1070
01:30:02,820 --> 01:30:03,820
Done?
1071
01:30:04,060 --> 01:30:05,060
Done, done, and done.
1072
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:10,640
Liam, stand up.
1073
01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:12,540
Head bowed, hands out.
1074
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:16,960
And the root.
1075
01:31:21,390 --> 01:31:25,050
It's been six months since I got cursed.
1076
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:26,590
Six months?
1077
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:29,870
I've now been cleansed. How do you feel?
1078
01:31:30,190 --> 01:31:31,650
I'm feeling much better.
1079
01:31:31,850 --> 01:31:32,910
Really? Yeah.
1080
01:31:33,350 --> 01:31:34,730
I'm starting to sleep better.
1081
01:31:35,030 --> 01:31:36,030
That's good.
1082
01:31:36,910 --> 01:31:41,630
This is the one thing I think has been
weighing on my mind a little bit. I
1083
01:31:41,630 --> 01:31:48,510
finally got the results from my doctor's
checkup, my blood work, and I haven't
1084
01:31:48,510 --> 01:31:49,510
opened it yet.
1085
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:53,450
I'm a little nervous right now. Are you
really?
1086
01:31:53,690 --> 01:31:54,690
Yeah.
1087
01:31:55,870 --> 01:31:59,930
Okay. So we screened for some cancers
that are in my family.
1088
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:11,730
And the screenings are normal.
1089
01:32:12,750 --> 01:32:13,750
That's good.
1090
01:32:14,270 --> 01:32:15,270
So how do you feel?
1091
01:32:16,130 --> 01:32:17,830
I mean, honestly, that's a real relief.
1092
01:32:18,990 --> 01:32:20,230
You were right about that.
1093
01:32:22,809 --> 01:32:25,850
Yeah. I didn't know it was weighing on
you that much.
1094
01:32:26,130 --> 01:32:33,090
Yeah, you know, with the dreams and
everything, I suddenly felt scared of
1095
01:32:33,090 --> 01:32:37,870
what I might have done and what that
would mean for you and us.
1096
01:32:38,310 --> 01:32:41,150
I was beginning to worry that I might
have made a big mistake.
1097
01:32:44,630 --> 01:32:45,630
You're okay.
1098
01:32:45,730 --> 01:32:47,250
Yeah, it's all good.
1099
01:32:47,530 --> 01:32:48,530
Yay.
1100
01:32:49,530 --> 01:32:50,530
There's no...
1101
01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:51,669
Nothing bad.
1102
01:32:51,670 --> 01:32:52,670
Good.
1103
01:33:00,590 --> 01:33:05,070
I think magic is definitely real. I
don't know if it's quantifiable. That's
1104
01:33:05,070 --> 01:33:07,450
different thing. And then what are we
measuring it with?
1105
01:33:10,570 --> 01:33:11,770
demonstrable, it's effective.
1106
01:33:12,290 --> 01:33:16,710
In a way, I almost want to define it the
same way I would define culture, like
1107
01:33:16,710 --> 01:33:19,230
that complex whole that makes up a
person.
1108
01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:24,310
The root of magic is the ability to
wield free will. We use our free will to
1109
01:33:24,310 --> 01:33:28,850
bring about specific change in the
future through actions today.
1110
01:33:29,330 --> 01:33:34,390
So our relationship to divine spirits is
a lot more dynamic than most people
1111
01:33:34,390 --> 01:33:36,450
have in other religious systems.
1112
01:33:37,740 --> 01:33:40,260
Hay personas que piensan que la brujería
es mala.
1113
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:45,440
Realmente visitar a un chamán es
reencontrarte con nuestros miedos.
1114
01:33:45,980 --> 01:33:48,820
¿Qué hacemos nosotros? Es liberar todo
eso.
1115
01:33:49,100 --> 01:33:55,240
De sus miedos, de sus pesadillas, de sus
obstáculos negativos. Es cuestión de fe
1116
01:33:55,240 --> 01:34:01,480
nada más. La fe va a contar mucho en el
ser humano para que su éxito... Can we
1117
01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:02,480
do what have we?
1118
01:34:02,970 --> 01:34:05,090
Done things that are pretty incredible,
absolutely.
1119
01:34:05,410 --> 01:34:09,410
But I don't have a magic wand. I'm not
going to fix your life overnight,
1120
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:12,110
particularly if you're not invested.
1121
01:34:12,410 --> 01:34:17,310
They're not considering their role,
their accountability, their
1122
01:34:17,310 --> 01:34:21,250
in the life that's manifesting for them.
1123
01:34:21,690 --> 01:34:27,190
So what would I say to people who think
that it's evil? Go back and challenge
1124
01:34:27,190 --> 01:34:31,870
every thought that's been pushed on you
as a person.
1125
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:38,040
Your mind is your reality, and so
whatever you decide to let in and what
1126
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:42,020
decide to let go of will then shape the
world around you.
1127
01:34:48,620 --> 01:34:55,240
I went searching for the secrets of
magic, and I found that our minds shape
1128
01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:59,780
reality in ways that are perhaps still
beyond our understanding.
1129
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:08,040
Maybe I just want to believe that that
kind of sounds like magic to me.
1130
01:37:36,140 --> 01:37:37,140
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