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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,630 --> 00:00:06,715 - In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:07,465 --> 00:00:08,925 the people are represented 3 00:00:08,967 --> 00:00:11,302 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:11,386 --> 00:00:13,304 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:13,346 --> 00:00:16,057 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:16,182 --> 00:00:19,144 These are their stories. 7 00:00:19,227 --> 00:00:21,104 - People accuse you of being ruthless 8 00:00:21,146 --> 00:00:23,440 in your investment philosophy, especially considering-- 9 00:00:23,523 --> 00:00:27,068 - I'm the only one keeping these companies honest. 10 00:00:27,110 --> 00:00:29,571 There's rampant mismanagement and waste 11 00:00:29,696 --> 00:00:31,197 in corporate America-- 12 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:34,743 unearned bonuses, excessive salaries. 13 00:00:34,826 --> 00:00:38,413 When I buy a stake in a company, 14 00:00:38,496 --> 00:00:40,206 I become a watchdog. 15 00:00:40,248 --> 00:00:41,958 - Some would say a rabid watchdog. 16 00:00:42,083 --> 00:00:45,628 Even better. 17 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:48,923 But I'm doing it for the little guy-- 18 00:00:49,007 --> 00:00:53,303 the cops, the teachers, the nurses. 19 00:00:53,345 --> 00:00:56,306 They own publicly traded stocks in their 401s, 20 00:00:56,389 --> 00:00:59,100 in their IRAs. 21 00:00:59,184 --> 00:01:02,312 I keep the fat cats honest, 22 00:01:02,354 --> 00:01:05,815 make them justify decisions, their compensation-- 23 00:01:05,899 --> 00:01:08,485 - So you consider yourself a public servant? 24 00:01:08,568 --> 00:01:10,945 No, no, no. 25 00:01:11,112 --> 00:01:12,447 I'm a capitalist. 26 00:01:12,572 --> 00:01:15,116 My goal is to make money 27 00:01:15,158 --> 00:01:17,369 for me and for all the other shareholders 28 00:01:17,494 --> 00:01:19,746 who put their faith in the hands of executives 29 00:01:19,788 --> 00:01:22,582 running publicly traded companies. 30 00:01:22,665 --> 00:01:24,417 - Museum of Natural History. 31 00:01:24,501 --> 00:01:26,336 - I believe in growth, prosperity, 32 00:01:26,378 --> 00:01:28,588 pushing for change 33 00:01:28,630 --> 00:01:31,091 in the name of the greater good. 34 00:01:33,176 --> 00:01:34,469 - Big party? 35 00:01:45,105 --> 00:01:47,190 - No, no, no. - My God. 36 00:01:47,315 --> 00:01:49,734 My God. No. 37 00:01:55,115 --> 00:01:58,284 - Vic's Thomas Hardiman, 53. - What happened? 38 00:01:58,326 --> 00:02:00,286 - He was hit by a taxi, 2003 hours. 39 00:02:00,328 --> 00:02:02,414 - Hit-and-run? - More like hit-and-cry. 40 00:02:02,497 --> 00:02:03,873 The driver was a blubbery mess. 41 00:02:03,957 --> 00:02:05,166 Said there was an altercation. 42 00:02:05,250 --> 00:02:06,418 Vic was shoved in front of the cab. 43 00:02:06,584 --> 00:02:07,752 - Did he see who did the shoving? 44 00:02:07,836 --> 00:02:09,045 - Nope. 45 00:02:09,170 --> 00:02:10,171 - Was there a passenger in the taxi? 46 00:02:10,213 --> 00:02:11,464 - A woman. 47 00:02:11,631 --> 00:02:13,883 She was on her phone, didn't see anything. 48 00:02:14,009 --> 00:02:15,802 - Did the driver give a description? 49 00:02:15,927 --> 00:02:17,178 - It was dark. 50 00:02:17,262 --> 00:02:19,139 Couldn't even say if it was a man or woman. 51 00:02:19,222 --> 00:02:21,641 All he said was medium build, wearing some kind of brown hat. 52 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:23,768 Headed east on foot. - Okay. 53 00:02:23,893 --> 00:02:25,729 Pull all the ARGUS footage from the area. 54 00:02:25,770 --> 00:02:28,606 And since there was a struggle, have the MLI check 55 00:02:28,732 --> 00:02:30,859 for third-party DNA on the vic. 56 00:02:30,942 --> 00:02:33,361 - Vic's got his phone here. 57 00:02:33,445 --> 00:02:35,280 And this is a very fancy wallet, 58 00:02:35,363 --> 00:02:37,240 so I don't think we're looking at a robbery. 59 00:02:37,407 --> 00:02:40,910 Lives at 1157 57th Street. 60 00:02:40,994 --> 00:02:42,996 That's near Billionaires' Row. 61 00:02:43,079 --> 00:02:44,873 - He's got a wedding ring. 62 00:02:44,956 --> 00:02:47,042 - Let's go deliver the news. 63 00:02:47,125 --> 00:02:48,626 Till death do us part. 64 00:02:48,710 --> 00:02:53,590 * * 65 00:02:56,551 --> 00:03:03,475 * * 66 00:03:38,677 --> 00:03:40,345 - It would be helpful 67 00:03:40,428 --> 00:03:43,223 to know where your husband was this evening, 68 00:03:43,306 --> 00:03:44,683 who he was seeing. 69 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:46,935 I wish I could help. 70 00:03:47,018 --> 00:03:49,688 Tom and I have been separated, 71 00:03:49,729 --> 00:03:52,023 about three months now. 72 00:03:52,107 --> 00:03:54,526 - Do you know what he was doing in the neighborhood 73 00:03:54,651 --> 00:03:56,820 where he was killed-- West 43rd Street? 74 00:03:56,903 --> 00:03:59,114 That's by the Harvard Club. 75 00:03:59,155 --> 00:04:03,952 Tom went there most nights, around 8:00 or so. 76 00:04:03,993 --> 00:04:06,955 - And did your husband have any enemies, 77 00:04:07,038 --> 00:04:09,207 anyone who might have threatened him? 78 00:04:09,332 --> 00:04:12,377 - Do you know who Tom was, what he did? 79 00:04:12,419 --> 00:04:14,170 Well, his business card 80 00:04:14,254 --> 00:04:17,882 just said that he ran Broadchurch Investment Fund. 81 00:04:17,966 --> 00:04:20,427 - Tom wasn't just any investor. 82 00:04:20,510 --> 00:04:22,679 He was an activist investor. 83 00:04:22,762 --> 00:04:24,014 - What does that mean? 84 00:04:24,097 --> 00:04:25,724 - He buys a big stake, 85 00:04:25,849 --> 00:04:28,059 tells them not so nicely what they're doing wrong, 86 00:04:28,143 --> 00:04:29,686 how to run their company. 87 00:04:29,811 --> 00:04:31,646 - Used to call those guys "corporate raiders." 88 00:04:31,771 --> 00:04:33,982 - So made money, not friends. 89 00:04:34,024 --> 00:04:35,316 - Exactly. 90 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:36,693 - How about recently? 91 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:38,903 Did he get into it with anyone in particular? 92 00:04:39,029 --> 00:04:41,448 - I have not kept up on his day-to-day. 93 00:04:41,531 --> 00:04:43,199 His girlfriend might know. 94 00:04:43,241 --> 00:04:44,701 - His girlfriend? 95 00:04:44,743 --> 00:04:47,829 - Some professor up at Hudson. I don't have a name. 96 00:04:47,912 --> 00:04:49,998 Sometimes it's better not to know. 97 00:04:50,081 --> 00:04:51,583 - And what about you? 98 00:04:51,666 --> 00:04:54,002 What were you doing tonight around 8:00 p.m.? 99 00:04:54,044 --> 00:04:56,755 I was at my book club. 100 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,382 It's ten women married to fund managers. 101 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:02,677 We all have a lot of downtime. 102 00:05:02,761 --> 00:05:04,054 - Okay, well, we're-- 103 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:05,889 we're gonna ask you to send us some names. 104 00:05:05,930 --> 00:05:07,349 - Of course. 105 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:09,517 I can't believe he's really gone. 106 00:05:11,644 --> 00:05:13,480 - If you think of anything else... 107 00:05:18,651 --> 00:05:20,862 - We looked at the university's social media. 108 00:05:20,945 --> 00:05:22,906 Tom Hardiman was a guest lecturer 109 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:24,407 in your class a few months ago, 110 00:05:24,532 --> 00:05:26,993 and I guess you two, hit it off? 111 00:05:27,077 --> 00:05:29,120 - I never meant to fall in love. 112 00:05:29,204 --> 00:05:31,039 There's no one like Tom-- 113 00:05:31,164 --> 00:05:34,417 fearless thinker in an age of cowardly groupthink. 114 00:05:34,542 --> 00:05:36,044 - What's a billionaire investor doing 115 00:05:36,169 --> 00:05:37,712 giving a lecture at a college? 116 00:05:37,796 --> 00:05:39,005 No offense. 117 00:05:39,089 --> 00:05:40,882 - I teach Information Asymmetry. 118 00:05:41,007 --> 00:05:43,885 It's how knowledge translates into economic power. 119 00:05:43,968 --> 00:05:46,638 - So how were things between you two? 120 00:05:46,805 --> 00:05:49,432 - We made each other very happy. 121 00:05:49,516 --> 00:05:51,559 - Did you see Hardiman last night? 122 00:05:51,685 --> 00:05:55,230 - No. I was stuck on campus meeting with students. 123 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:57,107 You can talk to security. 124 00:05:57,148 --> 00:06:00,902 - Was he receiving any threats? - Some people hated him 125 00:06:00,944 --> 00:06:03,154 or hated the way that he challenged them... 126 00:06:04,572 --> 00:06:06,574 Challenged their rigid old-school ways. 127 00:06:06,700 --> 00:06:08,993 He liked to say he could fill a country with his enemies. 128 00:06:09,077 --> 00:06:10,495 - Got any names? - No. 129 00:06:10,537 --> 00:06:12,247 He never took them seriously. 130 00:06:12,330 --> 00:06:14,624 - We have to get moving. 131 00:06:14,708 --> 00:06:18,003 - Okay, well, if you think of anything... 132 00:06:18,044 --> 00:06:20,505 Any chance your husband found out about the relationship? 133 00:06:20,588 --> 00:06:24,384 - Of course. I told Marc. It's why I filed for divorce. 134 00:06:26,261 --> 00:06:27,846 - Thanks. 135 00:06:27,887 --> 00:06:29,889 - All right, that text I got? 136 00:06:30,015 --> 00:06:32,350 They found third-party DNA under Hardiman's nails 137 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:33,810 and on his jacket. 138 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:36,104 - Any hits in CODIS? - Nope, but it's male. 139 00:06:36,146 --> 00:06:39,274 - I say we talk to the jilted husband. 140 00:06:39,357 --> 00:06:41,526 - Ariana told me she was in love. 141 00:06:41,609 --> 00:06:43,653 Hell, I was glad she told me. 142 00:06:43,695 --> 00:06:45,530 Truth is freeing. 143 00:06:45,613 --> 00:06:48,283 And if Ariana wants out, that's her right. 144 00:06:49,993 --> 00:06:51,786 - Pretty zen for the guy who called Tom Hardiman 145 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:53,747 over a dozen times in the past week. 146 00:06:53,830 --> 00:06:56,499 - Look, I wanted to sit down with the man face-to-face. 147 00:06:56,541 --> 00:06:58,710 That jackass was paying for her divorce lawyer, 148 00:06:58,752 --> 00:07:00,420 bankrolling her custody fight. 149 00:07:00,462 --> 00:07:03,631 - If I'm being ferociously honest... 150 00:07:03,715 --> 00:07:04,966 that sounds like motive. 151 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:06,634 - I got nothing to hide. 152 00:07:06,801 --> 00:07:08,136 We met for lunch, 153 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:10,597 and I told Hardiman exactly what I thought of him. 154 00:07:10,638 --> 00:07:12,307 - Really? - How'd that go? 155 00:07:12,349 --> 00:07:14,642 Things get ugly? They turn physical at all? 156 00:07:14,768 --> 00:07:18,229 - They probably would have, but some nut job beat me to it. 157 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:20,065 - What does that mean? 158 00:07:20,190 --> 00:07:21,775 - As Hardiman was heading for the exit, 159 00:07:21,858 --> 00:07:23,318 some guy comes up, 160 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,570 starts grabbing at him, taking swings. 161 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:28,948 So I just watched and enjoyed the show. 162 00:07:29,032 --> 00:07:31,409 - Okay. You got an alibi for 8:00 p.m. last night? 163 00:07:31,493 --> 00:07:34,454 - Yeah. I was leading a seminar on the Lower East Side-- 164 00:07:34,579 --> 00:07:36,831 Finding Your Truth. 165 00:07:36,956 --> 00:07:38,667 You should come sometime. 166 00:07:42,712 --> 00:07:44,339 - Hey. 167 00:07:44,381 --> 00:07:47,092 So our life-coach husband was telling the truth. 168 00:07:47,217 --> 00:07:50,011 62 people were learning to be ferociously honest 169 00:07:50,095 --> 00:07:51,638 for 180 bucks a pop 170 00:07:51,721 --> 00:07:54,265 while Tom Hardiman was getting pushed in front of a cab. 171 00:07:54,349 --> 00:07:56,643 - I bet ferocious honesty kills more people per year 172 00:07:56,726 --> 00:07:58,019 than cigarettes. - Yeah. 173 00:07:58,061 --> 00:07:59,729 Yeah, when my wife and I got back together, 174 00:07:59,854 --> 00:08:01,314 we had one agreement-- no questions, 175 00:08:01,356 --> 00:08:03,191 no confessions about our time apart. 176 00:08:03,233 --> 00:08:04,984 - What you don't know can't hurt you. 177 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:08,029 And what you don't say can't be used in a custody battle. 178 00:08:08,071 --> 00:08:09,656 - Hey. 179 00:08:09,781 --> 00:08:12,158 So I pulled that video you asked for from the restaurant. 180 00:08:12,283 --> 00:08:14,244 Take a look. 181 00:08:14,369 --> 00:08:16,079 There's no match in facial rec, 182 00:08:16,204 --> 00:08:19,582 but there was a patch on his jacket. 183 00:08:19,666 --> 00:08:22,168 - Okay, let's do a little digging 184 00:08:22,252 --> 00:08:24,713 and see if anyone was trashing Hardiman 185 00:08:24,838 --> 00:08:27,382 at Mercy Hospital. - Yeah. 186 00:08:27,465 --> 00:08:29,759 Couple posts on social media here. 187 00:08:29,843 --> 00:08:32,512 #MercyHospital, #TomHardiman. 188 00:08:32,595 --> 00:08:35,974 There's one from Carlos Guzman, who seems to be a nurse. 189 00:08:36,099 --> 00:08:39,644 This one's a gem from a couple days ago. 190 00:08:39,769 --> 00:08:42,897 - "Tom Hardiman has blood on his hands. 191 00:08:42,981 --> 00:08:44,566 Time for retribution." 192 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:49,654 * * 193 00:08:49,779 --> 00:08:51,906 COO said he worked on the fifth floor? 194 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:53,450 - On Mondays, yeah. 195 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:57,120 He's on the sixth floor the other four days. 196 00:08:57,203 --> 00:08:59,247 Wait a minute. Is that our guy right there? 197 00:08:59,372 --> 00:09:00,832 - Looks like it. 198 00:09:00,915 --> 00:09:04,836 - Hey, Carlos Guzman. NYPD. We need to talk to you. 199 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:06,171 He's gonna rabbit. 200 00:09:09,257 --> 00:09:14,971 * * 201 00:09:20,018 --> 00:09:22,437 - All right, all right. Don't move. Don't move. 202 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:26,149 Don't look so surprised. 203 00:09:26,232 --> 00:09:27,942 - You're coming with us. 204 00:09:33,615 --> 00:09:35,575 - I told you, I got nothing to do with any murder! 205 00:09:36,242 --> 00:09:38,244 - Sit down, okay? Sit. 206 00:09:38,286 --> 00:09:39,996 - You took swings at Tom Hardiman 207 00:09:40,163 --> 00:09:42,540 outside a midtown bistro, and two days later, he's dead. 208 00:09:42,624 --> 00:09:44,417 You understand why we have questions? 209 00:09:44,501 --> 00:09:46,336 - What's your beef with the guy, anyway? 210 00:09:46,419 --> 00:09:49,005 Why this need for retribution? 211 00:09:49,172 --> 00:09:53,093 - Hardiman's fund... - Broadchurch Investments. 212 00:09:53,218 --> 00:09:54,803 - They bought a big-ass stake 213 00:09:54,928 --> 00:09:56,388 in the hospital chain I work for. 214 00:09:56,471 --> 00:09:57,806 No one told us. 215 00:09:57,972 --> 00:10:00,183 It's not like we're reading financial news. 216 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:02,644 But all of a sudden, there's a new head of hospital. 217 00:10:02,769 --> 00:10:04,604 Then half the trauma ward gets fired. 218 00:10:04,688 --> 00:10:06,356 - So he downsized. 219 00:10:06,481 --> 00:10:08,024 Must have ticked you off. 220 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:10,026 - What ticked me off? 221 00:10:10,068 --> 00:10:12,862 Empty supply closets, no pain meds for patients, 222 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:14,531 no ventilators. 223 00:10:14,572 --> 00:10:16,783 The nursing staff couldn't even get protective gear. 224 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:18,118 - And so you wanted him dead. 225 00:10:18,243 --> 00:10:20,453 I wanted to expose him. 226 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:22,330 People need to know the truth. 227 00:10:22,414 --> 00:10:23,832 - That's very noble. 228 00:10:23,873 --> 00:10:25,542 But we think there's something more personal. 229 00:10:25,709 --> 00:10:28,044 - And we happen to know that your mother died 230 00:10:28,169 --> 00:10:31,464 at Mercy Hospital two months after Hardiman took over. 231 00:10:31,548 --> 00:10:33,717 And that would piss me off 232 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:36,761 if I found out that some suit's budget cuts led to my mom 233 00:10:36,803 --> 00:10:39,514 not getting the care that she needed. 234 00:10:39,597 --> 00:10:41,766 - Carlos, where were you last night around 8:00 p.m.? 235 00:10:41,850 --> 00:10:44,644 - At the bedside of a 28-year-old, 236 00:10:44,728 --> 00:10:47,522 who died because we didn't have a goddamn ventilator! 237 00:10:47,605 --> 00:10:50,984 Ask his wife, his parents... 238 00:10:51,067 --> 00:10:52,902 or his two young children. 239 00:10:55,864 --> 00:10:57,615 * * 240 00:10:57,699 --> 00:11:00,535 - We will look into that. 241 00:11:00,577 --> 00:11:04,122 - Whoever offed Tom Hardiman saved lives, 242 00:11:04,205 --> 00:11:05,999 did good. 243 00:11:06,041 --> 00:11:11,713 * * 244 00:11:13,131 --> 00:11:15,216 - Guzman's alibi checks out. 245 00:11:15,383 --> 00:11:16,801 And he's kind of a hero over at Mercy, 246 00:11:16,843 --> 00:11:18,553 so I think we got to cut him loose 247 00:11:18,595 --> 00:11:20,221 before the nursing staff storms this place. 248 00:11:20,305 --> 00:11:21,890 - Okay. Do it. 249 00:11:21,973 --> 00:11:25,143 These hedge funds are pillaging our health-care system. 250 00:11:25,226 --> 00:11:27,312 - They're also going after newspapers, 251 00:11:27,354 --> 00:11:28,938 toy companies, anything, 252 00:11:29,105 --> 00:11:30,940 as long as there's a green rainbow at the end. 253 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:32,567 - Maybe we should look 254 00:11:32,609 --> 00:11:34,652 into some of Hardiman's other investments, 255 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:36,738 see if there's anyone who feels as passionately as Guzman. 256 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:38,740 - Well, according to "The Wall Street Journal," 257 00:11:38,823 --> 00:11:43,119 Hardiman's latest investment was WellPoint Therapeutics. 258 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:45,830 There's a ton of articles predicting a brutal showdown 259 00:11:45,872 --> 00:11:48,249 between Hardiman and WellPoint's CEO. 260 00:11:48,291 --> 00:11:50,669 - I'm looking at Hardiman's calendar. 261 00:11:50,794 --> 00:11:54,089 Last meeting he had on the day he was killed was at WellPoint. 262 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:55,715 - Let's go. 263 00:11:57,926 --> 00:12:00,011 - I was shocked to hear about Tom. 264 00:12:00,178 --> 00:12:01,638 He was such a young man. 265 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,723 - You had a meeting with him on the day he was killed? 266 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:05,433 - Yeah. We met right here. 267 00:12:05,517 --> 00:12:08,436 - Anything strange about the meeting, any arguments? 268 00:12:08,478 --> 00:12:10,438 - I'll save you from barking up that tree. 269 00:12:10,522 --> 00:12:12,065 Despite the press hoopla 270 00:12:12,232 --> 00:12:15,026 about a looming showdown between us, 271 00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:16,528 our meeting was cordial. 272 00:12:16,569 --> 00:12:18,738 So don't believe everything you read. 273 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:20,949 - So he wasn't trying to pillage your company? 274 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:22,367 No. 275 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:24,411 Well, he--he--he bought a 24% stake, 276 00:12:24,536 --> 00:12:26,371 got himself a seat on the board, 277 00:12:26,454 --> 00:12:28,665 had some thoughts he wanted to share, 278 00:12:28,832 --> 00:12:31,710 asked me for a one-on-one to present his ideas, 279 00:12:31,793 --> 00:12:33,670 and I agreed. - And? 280 00:12:33,712 --> 00:12:38,425 And, it was a pleasant, productive conversation. 281 00:12:38,591 --> 00:12:40,093 - Mr. Munson, your conference call 282 00:12:40,176 --> 00:12:41,344 is about to begin. 283 00:12:41,428 --> 00:12:42,804 - Yes. - Yes, thank you. 284 00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:44,472 Um... 285 00:12:44,514 --> 00:12:46,558 I'm sorry. My assistant will see you out. 286 00:12:46,641 --> 00:12:48,435 - Just one last thing for protocol-- 287 00:12:48,518 --> 00:12:50,478 where were you last night at 8:00 p.m.? 288 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,313 - I was at home reading a bedtime story 289 00:12:52,397 --> 00:12:53,898 to my grandkids. 290 00:12:54,065 --> 00:12:56,568 We should all be so blessed. 291 00:12:56,693 --> 00:12:58,111 - Okay, thank you. 292 00:13:01,031 --> 00:13:03,491 - Munson mentioned that his meeting was a one-on-one. 293 00:13:03,533 --> 00:13:05,160 But in Hardiman's calendar, he mentions 294 00:13:05,326 --> 00:13:07,120 that he met with someone else from the company 295 00:13:07,287 --> 00:13:08,830 by the name of Kevin Goodall? 296 00:13:08,955 --> 00:13:10,540 - Sure. He's our head of research. 297 00:13:10,707 --> 00:13:12,959 - Well, Hardiman wanted it to be just the two of them, 298 00:13:13,043 --> 00:13:15,670 but I insisted on attending. - And why is that? 299 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:18,882 - Norm founded this company 40 years ago. 300 00:13:19,049 --> 00:13:22,010 He devoted his time and capital into researching cures 301 00:13:22,052 --> 00:13:24,346 for rare diseases, whereas Tom Hardiman-- 302 00:13:24,429 --> 00:13:25,680 thank you-- 303 00:13:25,722 --> 00:13:28,391 is a high-end pickpocket in a Brioni suit, 304 00:13:28,558 --> 00:13:31,519 trying to tell Norman Munson, who started as a doctor 305 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:34,022 and is one of the pioneers of drug research, 306 00:13:34,064 --> 00:13:36,733 how to run his pharmaceutical business? 307 00:13:36,816 --> 00:13:39,319 The arrogance. 308 00:13:39,361 --> 00:13:43,073 So, yeah, I wanted to be there. 309 00:13:43,239 --> 00:13:45,700 - Sounds like maybe things got a little heated. 310 00:13:45,825 --> 00:13:46,868 - No. 311 00:13:46,993 --> 00:13:49,371 No. 312 00:13:49,454 --> 00:13:50,872 Norm is a class act. 313 00:13:50,955 --> 00:13:52,665 He refused to take the bait. 314 00:13:52,707 --> 00:13:54,876 Eventually Hardiman backed off, 315 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:57,879 and the whole thing stayed pleasantly professional. 316 00:13:58,004 --> 00:14:01,925 - Did Hardiman seem distracted or stressed? 317 00:14:02,008 --> 00:14:04,302 - I don't know the guy's baseline. 318 00:14:04,344 --> 00:14:08,556 But the meeting was shorter than I would have anticipated. 319 00:14:08,598 --> 00:14:11,476 Thought he would've stuck around and pressed his points. 320 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,812 It took about 30 minutes or so. 321 00:14:13,937 --> 00:14:16,106 Then he ran out of here like he had a plane to catch. 322 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:18,441 - What time was that? - 6:30. 323 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:19,984 - Do you know where he was going? 324 00:14:20,068 --> 00:14:21,611 - No, he wasn't the chatty type. 325 00:14:21,653 --> 00:14:24,906 - Okay, well, just so we can cross you off the list, 326 00:14:25,073 --> 00:14:26,866 where were you last night at 8:00 p.m.? 327 00:14:27,033 --> 00:14:29,744 - I was at home with my wife, 328 00:14:29,911 --> 00:14:32,414 telling her what a clown Hardiman is-- 329 00:14:32,455 --> 00:14:33,998 was. 330 00:14:36,126 --> 00:14:38,545 - Just got off the phone with Goodall's wife. 331 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:40,588 She confirms he was home at 8:00. 332 00:14:40,672 --> 00:14:41,923 And Munson's family 333 00:14:42,048 --> 00:14:43,842 corroborates his version of events. 334 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:46,344 - Well, I got video of Hardiman leaving WellPoint at 6:30, 335 00:14:46,469 --> 00:14:47,971 like Goodall said. 336 00:14:48,013 --> 00:14:49,806 He is pacing. 337 00:14:49,848 --> 00:14:51,599 Looks like he's yelling at somebody on his phone. 338 00:14:51,766 --> 00:14:53,226 And then he heads off down the street, 339 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:54,519 and we lose him on the cameras. 340 00:14:54,602 --> 00:14:56,396 - And according to his call log, 341 00:14:56,479 --> 00:14:58,273 at 6:38, he called a number registered 342 00:14:58,356 --> 00:14:59,691 to Preston Kane four times. 343 00:14:59,733 --> 00:15:02,318 - Who's Preston Kane? 344 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:05,905 - He's the chairman of WellPoint Therapeutics. 345 00:15:09,743 --> 00:15:11,995 - Yes, I got a couple calls, but I didn't pick up, 346 00:15:12,037 --> 00:15:13,872 and I was out when Tom appeared on my doorbell cam. 347 00:15:13,913 --> 00:15:15,749 - Do you know why he came by? 348 00:15:15,790 --> 00:15:17,500 - Hardiman had a one-track mind. 349 00:15:17,542 --> 00:15:19,544 Every call and meeting was about the same thing-- 350 00:15:19,627 --> 00:15:21,755 he wanted to fire Norman Munson. 351 00:15:21,796 --> 00:15:23,798 - Why is that? - Change the company's focus. 352 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,634 Redirect our R&D to big-market, high-profit therapies. 353 00:15:26,676 --> 00:15:28,511 - Well, that sounds like Hardiman's MO. 354 00:15:28,553 --> 00:15:31,473 - It is, except the WellPoint board loves Norm. 355 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:33,850 Everyone loves Norm, despite the company's 356 00:15:33,892 --> 00:15:36,644 lackluster financial results the past few years. 357 00:15:36,728 --> 00:15:38,980 - So Hardiman wanted him fired, but the board wasn't having it? 358 00:15:40,774 --> 00:15:42,650 Couple board members were on the fence, but you're correct. 359 00:15:42,734 --> 00:15:44,569 Hardiman was never gonna get the votes he needed. 360 00:15:44,611 --> 00:15:46,279 It was driving him crazy. 361 00:15:46,321 --> 00:15:48,865 - Why so much love for Norm Munson? 362 00:15:48,990 --> 00:15:51,284 - Look, it's not the most popular concept these days, 363 00:15:51,451 --> 00:15:53,495 but Munson believes there are things 364 00:15:53,578 --> 00:15:55,455 more important than profit. 365 00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:57,791 He believes in a greater good. 366 00:15:57,957 --> 00:15:59,334 - Hardiman called you 4 times, 367 00:15:59,417 --> 00:16:01,294 and one of the calls lasted 17 seconds. 368 00:16:01,419 --> 00:16:03,213 Are you sure he didn't reach you? 369 00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:04,881 - He left a voicemail-- 370 00:16:04,923 --> 00:16:08,426 "I finally got what I need. Norm Munson is a goner." 371 00:16:11,513 --> 00:16:13,306 * * 372 00:16:21,856 --> 00:16:22,857 - Ryan Elliott? 373 00:16:23,441 --> 00:16:24,776 I'm Detective Riley. 374 00:16:24,859 --> 00:16:27,028 This is Lieutenant Brady. NYPD. 375 00:16:27,112 --> 00:16:29,364 - We were told you worked closely with Tom Hardiman. 376 00:16:29,489 --> 00:16:32,701 Yeah, until he fired me yesterday. 377 00:16:35,453 --> 00:16:36,663 Don't worry. 378 00:16:36,705 --> 00:16:38,581 I was throwing back Patron shots 379 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:41,042 with a half dozen colleagues when Hardiman hit the pavement. 380 00:16:41,084 --> 00:16:43,044 - You sound really broken up about it. 381 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:46,047 - What can I say? The guy was a prick. 382 00:16:46,131 --> 00:16:49,009 The thing that really gets to me, though, 383 00:16:49,092 --> 00:16:51,553 is I knew it but tried to convince myself 384 00:16:51,594 --> 00:16:54,055 that he was actually a decent human being. 385 00:16:54,139 --> 00:16:56,182 - What do you know about Hardiman's relationship 386 00:16:56,307 --> 00:16:58,268 with Norman Munson? - He hated that man. 387 00:16:58,393 --> 00:17:00,854 He spent 50% of his time trying to fire his ass. 388 00:17:00,937 --> 00:17:03,064 Already had his successor picked out, too. 389 00:17:03,189 --> 00:17:05,358 - Hardiman chose Munson's successor? 390 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,402 - And a three-year business plan. 391 00:17:07,485 --> 00:17:09,112 He shared it with the board. 392 00:17:09,154 --> 00:17:11,489 - Munson knew about this? - He sure did. 393 00:17:11,614 --> 00:17:13,366 But he didn't care. 394 00:17:13,533 --> 00:17:16,453 Told Hardiman to kiss his ass. 395 00:17:16,578 --> 00:17:18,580 - Well, apparently, Hardiman left a voicemail 396 00:17:18,621 --> 00:17:20,623 with WellPoint's chairman of the board. 397 00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:21,708 - Preston Kane. 398 00:17:21,791 --> 00:17:23,626 - Yeah, something about how he finally had 399 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:25,628 what he needed to get Munson fired, 400 00:17:25,712 --> 00:17:27,589 like he had some smoking gun. 401 00:17:27,630 --> 00:17:29,758 - And 30 minutes or so later, he was dead, 402 00:17:29,883 --> 00:17:31,426 so we think there's some connection. 403 00:17:31,509 --> 00:17:33,094 Whatever Hardiman discovered 404 00:17:33,136 --> 00:17:35,013 might have triggered someone to kill him. 405 00:17:35,096 --> 00:17:37,140 - I wish I could help you, but... 406 00:17:37,265 --> 00:17:39,309 I don't know anything about that. 407 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:40,852 Sorry. 408 00:17:42,979 --> 00:17:45,774 - Okay, well, thank you for your time. 409 00:17:48,902 --> 00:17:51,196 Well, one thing's clear-- 410 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:53,990 Munson lied to us when he told us that meeting with Hardiman 411 00:17:54,074 --> 00:17:56,576 ended in some sort of gentlemen's agreement. 412 00:17:56,659 --> 00:17:58,328 - Yeah, it sounds like that one-on-one 413 00:17:58,453 --> 00:18:00,372 wasn't quite as friendly as he suggested? 414 00:18:00,497 --> 00:18:02,957 - Yeah, maybe he's not as warm and cuddly as he looks. 415 00:18:03,083 --> 00:18:04,793 - Even a teddy bear is gonna get its back up 416 00:18:04,834 --> 00:18:06,878 when some young hotshot's trying to fire him 417 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,880 from his own damn company. 418 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:11,132 - Sounds like motive. 419 00:18:11,299 --> 00:18:14,260 - Yeah, but, I mean, what, Munson's 70? 420 00:18:14,344 --> 00:18:16,638 He didn't seem like a killer type to me. 421 00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:18,723 And his family said that he was home at the time of the murder. 422 00:18:18,807 --> 00:18:20,433 - Maybe they're covering for him. 423 00:18:20,517 --> 00:18:22,352 Just pull more video from the WellPoint offices 424 00:18:22,394 --> 00:18:23,937 and the crime scene. 425 00:18:23,978 --> 00:18:25,689 We just need one shot of Munson, 426 00:18:25,772 --> 00:18:27,315 hopefully wearing a brown hat. 427 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,401 And then we can get a warrant for his DNA. 428 00:18:31,611 --> 00:18:33,154 - What's going on here? 429 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:34,823 - Sorry, sir. You're gonna step aside. 430 00:18:34,864 --> 00:18:36,574 - This is my company. - Sir, step aside. 431 00:18:36,658 --> 00:18:38,993 - Kevin Goodall, we need to talk. 432 00:18:39,035 --> 00:18:40,662 - We found video of you at the crime scene 433 00:18:40,745 --> 00:18:42,330 and your DNA on the victim. 434 00:18:42,372 --> 00:18:44,416 - Which means you're under arrest for murder. 435 00:18:44,457 --> 00:18:46,001 You have the right to remain silent. 436 00:18:46,042 --> 00:18:47,961 - Kevin, what's going on? - Don't talk to anyone, Norm. 437 00:18:48,003 --> 00:18:49,754 - I don't understand. - Say nothing to anyone! 438 00:18:49,838 --> 00:18:53,091 * * 439 00:18:55,510 --> 00:18:58,054 - I can't wait. 440 00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:00,765 Hey, I got to go. 441 00:19:00,807 --> 00:19:03,101 Yep. See you later. 442 00:19:08,231 --> 00:19:10,692 You have no poker face, Nolan. 443 00:19:10,775 --> 00:19:12,694 - It's the mystery woman, isn't it? 444 00:19:12,777 --> 00:19:14,904 You're clearly smitten. 445 00:19:14,946 --> 00:19:16,448 No comment. 446 00:19:16,573 --> 00:19:18,366 - Just give me something-- 447 00:19:18,450 --> 00:19:20,910 how you met, what she does. 448 00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:24,039 - She is a psychiatrist. 449 00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:26,041 Don't say it. 450 00:19:26,166 --> 00:19:27,709 - No, I won't. 451 00:19:27,834 --> 00:19:30,211 'Cause I can think of absolutely no reason 452 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:32,047 for you to be seeing a psychiatrist. 453 00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:35,342 - How'd the arraignment go? - Judge Romano granted bail. 454 00:19:35,383 --> 00:19:37,552 - On a murder two charge? - Yeah. 455 00:19:37,677 --> 00:19:39,471 Defense rattled off Goodall's résumé. 456 00:19:39,512 --> 00:19:42,807 He's got awards from the NIH, CDC, 457 00:19:42,849 --> 00:19:45,018 MD, PhD in pharmacology, 458 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:48,229 member of the AMA, an active community member 459 00:19:48,313 --> 00:19:50,482 who has never so much as gotten a speeding ticket. 460 00:19:50,565 --> 00:19:53,151 - Not our first golden-boy murderer. 461 00:19:53,276 --> 00:19:55,153 - Yeah. - How's our evidence? 462 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,074 - Video showing Goodall leaving WellPoint at 7:30 p.m., 463 00:19:59,115 --> 00:20:00,617 heading in the direction of the crime scene, 464 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:02,118 and then one block away, 465 00:20:02,202 --> 00:20:03,995 putting on a brown hat that matches the description 466 00:20:04,037 --> 00:20:05,622 from the taxi driver. 467 00:20:05,747 --> 00:20:09,125 Plus, his DNA was a full match to the third-party DNA 468 00:20:09,167 --> 00:20:10,669 found on the victim. 469 00:20:10,752 --> 00:20:12,837 - Why'd he do it? - I'm not sure yet. 470 00:20:12,962 --> 00:20:15,507 W-we know Hardiman was gunning to fire Goodall's boss. 471 00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:17,801 - So let's find out what would have happened to Goodall 472 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:19,552 if Hardiman had had his way. 473 00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:21,638 Otherwise, your evidence is solid. 474 00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:23,598 - I'm not so sure about that. 475 00:20:23,682 --> 00:20:26,184 Defense just filed a motion to suppress the DNA. 476 00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:32,399 - It's a Fourth Amendment violation, 477 00:20:32,482 --> 00:20:34,859 a total invasion of my client's privacy. 478 00:20:34,901 --> 00:20:37,696 - Your Honor, the defendant voluntarily surrendered his DNA 479 00:20:37,779 --> 00:20:40,115 and blood to his employer without signing or-- 480 00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:42,409 or demanding any agreement that his employer keep 481 00:20:42,450 --> 00:20:44,536 those records confidential. - Is this true? 482 00:20:44,619 --> 00:20:46,454 - Only because the sample was provided 483 00:20:46,621 --> 00:20:48,498 years before standard privacy forms, 484 00:20:48,665 --> 00:20:50,583 before the government was actively assembling 485 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:52,669 DNA databases to solve crimes. 486 00:20:52,836 --> 00:20:55,380 - Please tell me police at least had a subpoena. 487 00:20:55,505 --> 00:20:57,841 - Yes, they had reason to believe Goodall was the killer, 488 00:20:58,008 --> 00:20:59,384 so we served the company with a grand jury subpoena 489 00:20:59,467 --> 00:21:01,136 to produce Goodall's DNA, 490 00:21:01,261 --> 00:21:03,346 which, again, he had voluntarily provided 491 00:21:03,388 --> 00:21:04,639 to the company. 492 00:21:04,681 --> 00:21:07,642 This was not some wild database goose chase. 493 00:21:07,726 --> 00:21:10,812 - It is an incontrovertible good for medical researchers 494 00:21:10,979 --> 00:21:13,314 to provide their blood and DNA in labs 495 00:21:13,398 --> 00:21:16,151 so that research can proceed accurately and safely 496 00:21:16,317 --> 00:21:18,361 without any risk of cross-contamination. 497 00:21:18,486 --> 00:21:20,780 But if we violate the privacy of these doctors 498 00:21:20,864 --> 00:21:22,657 because of a technicality, 499 00:21:22,782 --> 00:21:25,660 you put future life-saving research at risk 500 00:21:25,744 --> 00:21:27,037 because nobody will sign up 501 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:29,539 to hand over their DNA for science. 502 00:21:29,664 --> 00:21:31,082 - I agree. 503 00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:32,667 - Your Honor, w-we could have gotten 504 00:21:32,751 --> 00:21:34,878 a separate warrant t-to collect the DNA after the arrest. 505 00:21:34,919 --> 00:21:38,006 - An arrest based on this first invasion of privacy-- 506 00:21:38,089 --> 00:21:41,551 fruit of the poisonous tree. 507 00:21:41,676 --> 00:21:43,928 - The DNA is out. 508 00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:47,098 And you won't be getting any other warrant to get it either. 509 00:21:47,182 --> 00:21:53,605 * * 510 00:21:58,485 --> 00:22:01,363 - And Tom Hardiman was notorious for ousting CEOs 511 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,741 and installing new ones? - Correct. 512 00:22:04,783 --> 00:22:06,034 - Did he articulate this plan 513 00:22:06,117 --> 00:22:07,619 to members of the WellPoint board? 514 00:22:07,702 --> 00:22:09,037 - Brought it up at every meeting, 515 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,705 even called me a few times. 516 00:22:10,747 --> 00:22:13,792 - In fact, he had proposed a specific replacement CEO. 517 00:22:13,833 --> 00:22:16,294 - Yes, called him a brilliant shark. 518 00:22:16,336 --> 00:22:19,047 - The night Tom Hardiman was killed, 519 00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:21,007 he left you an urgent voicemail, correct? 520 00:22:21,132 --> 00:22:22,634 And he tried to find you at home. 521 00:22:22,717 --> 00:22:24,177 - Correct. - Do you know why? 522 00:22:24,219 --> 00:22:25,929 - His voicemail suggested he'd finally found a way 523 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:27,305 to get rid of Munson. 524 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:28,932 "I finally got what I need. 525 00:22:29,015 --> 00:22:31,017 Munson's a goner," were his words. 526 00:22:31,059 --> 00:22:33,937 - And if Munson was gone, 527 00:22:34,020 --> 00:22:36,439 what would happen to the defendant, Kevin Goodall? 528 00:22:36,564 --> 00:22:38,149 - Objection. Speculative. 529 00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:40,485 Your Honor, the victim shared 530 00:22:40,568 --> 00:22:43,071 his own WellPoint three-year business plan with the witness. 531 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,949 - Overruled. Mr. Kane, please answer. 532 00:22:46,032 --> 00:22:48,284 - Munson hired Goodall right out of medical school, 533 00:22:48,368 --> 00:22:49,869 treated him like a son. 534 00:22:49,911 --> 00:22:52,539 Hardiman told us the new CEO would clean house. 535 00:22:52,664 --> 00:22:53,957 And that meant firing Goodall. 536 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,834 - Thank you. Nothing further. 537 00:22:58,253 --> 00:23:01,673 - Is Kevin Goodall a capable head of medical research? 538 00:23:01,756 --> 00:23:03,341 - He's excellent. 539 00:23:03,425 --> 00:23:06,302 - Under his oversight, how many drugs has WellPoint patented 540 00:23:06,386 --> 00:23:07,679 and brought to market? 541 00:23:07,804 --> 00:23:09,556 - Last ten years? Seven. 542 00:23:09,639 --> 00:23:12,058 - Are you aware he'd received four offers 543 00:23:12,142 --> 00:23:14,644 from competing firms in the past year alone 544 00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:16,271 for better pay? 545 00:23:16,396 --> 00:23:19,107 - I heard about one. The others don't surprise me. 546 00:23:19,232 --> 00:23:21,401 Kevin is a well-respected researcher. 547 00:23:21,484 --> 00:23:23,236 And we knew he only stayed at WellPoint 548 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:25,155 out of loyalty to Norm's vision. 549 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,532 - Do you have any reason to believe that Kevin Goodall 550 00:23:27,615 --> 00:23:30,785 had financial problems? - No. 551 00:23:30,827 --> 00:23:32,829 - Have you ever been to Kevin Goodall's home? 552 00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:34,998 - Yes, once, for dinner. 553 00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:38,460 * * 554 00:23:38,585 --> 00:23:41,004 - Is this it, on Central Park West? 555 00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:42,589 - Objection. Relevance. 556 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:44,716 - Prosecution put forth a theory 557 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:46,509 that my client's motive was anxiety 558 00:23:46,593 --> 00:23:49,179 about losing his $600,000-a-year job. 559 00:23:49,262 --> 00:23:50,930 Mr. Kane can rebut that. 560 00:23:51,014 --> 00:23:52,932 - I'll allow. Mr. Kane? 561 00:23:53,058 --> 00:23:54,851 - Yes, this is Kevin's home. 562 00:23:54,934 --> 00:23:59,564 - He purchased it for $12.7 million in 2019. 563 00:23:59,647 --> 00:24:01,733 Not bad for a medical researcher. 564 00:24:01,858 --> 00:24:05,028 - I believe there's family money there from real estate. 565 00:24:05,111 --> 00:24:07,697 - So do you have any reason to believe that Kevin Goodall 566 00:24:07,781 --> 00:24:10,241 was desperate to keep his job at WellPoint, 567 00:24:10,283 --> 00:24:12,952 so desperate he would kill for it? 568 00:24:14,662 --> 00:24:17,707 - No, not at all. 569 00:24:17,832 --> 00:24:24,339 * * 570 00:24:25,757 --> 00:24:27,258 - Defense is right. 571 00:24:27,384 --> 00:24:29,552 If Goodall is that wealthy, he didn't even need to work. 572 00:24:29,678 --> 00:24:32,222 Why would he stress about losing his job at WellPoint? 573 00:24:32,347 --> 00:24:34,015 The motive still doesn't add up yet. 574 00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:38,311 What are we missing? 575 00:24:38,436 --> 00:24:41,856 - This murder was emotional, improvised. 576 00:24:41,940 --> 00:24:44,901 Nobody plans to push someone in front of a taxi. 577 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:46,861 So what set it in motion? 578 00:24:48,863 --> 00:24:51,616 Maybe something happened at the WellPoint meeting 579 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:54,285 between Hardiman, Munson, and Goodall? 580 00:24:54,327 --> 00:24:57,372 Something that rattled Goodall? 581 00:24:57,455 --> 00:25:00,000 - Made him angry or worried enough to kill. 582 00:25:02,002 --> 00:25:03,545 - I'm saying nothing. 583 00:25:03,670 --> 00:25:05,797 - We just want to know about the meeting that day, 584 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,882 if anything happened to upset Kevin Goodall. 585 00:25:10,427 --> 00:25:11,636 - Do you know how many hours 586 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,514 of rigorous, meticulous laboratory oversight 587 00:25:14,597 --> 00:25:19,185 goes into bringing a life-saving drug to market? 588 00:25:20,770 --> 00:25:25,358 It's not a job. It is a sacred commitment. 589 00:25:25,483 --> 00:25:27,694 It takes constant vigilance. 590 00:25:27,736 --> 00:25:30,739 Goodall is a great researcher... 591 00:25:30,822 --> 00:25:32,866 and a great man. 592 00:25:32,949 --> 00:25:35,577 - Mr. Munson has to prepare for a call. 593 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:37,787 - You've got the wrong guy. 594 00:25:37,871 --> 00:25:44,961 * * 595 00:25:45,086 --> 00:25:47,547 - Mr. Munson did nothing wrong in that meeting. 596 00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:49,549 Please stop agitating him. 597 00:25:49,591 --> 00:25:51,176 - How do you know he did nothing wrong? 598 00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:52,385 Were you there? 599 00:25:52,469 --> 00:25:53,887 - I attend all of Mr. Munson's meetings. 600 00:25:53,928 --> 00:25:55,347 I'm with him the entire workday. 601 00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:57,098 - Okay, then why don't you just tell us what went down? 602 00:25:57,182 --> 00:25:59,184 Did Hardiman threaten Munson? Did he threaten Goodall? 603 00:25:59,267 --> 00:26:00,935 - I can't answer any further questions. 604 00:26:01,061 --> 00:26:02,854 - Just so you know, the DA can subpoena you 605 00:26:02,979 --> 00:26:04,105 to appear in court. 606 00:26:04,189 --> 00:26:05,357 - I can't speak. 607 00:26:05,482 --> 00:26:07,776 I'm bound by New York State law. 608 00:26:07,859 --> 00:26:09,069 - What law? 609 00:26:10,987 --> 00:26:13,365 - HIPAA. 610 00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:15,283 I'm Norman Munson's nurse. 611 00:26:15,408 --> 00:26:17,369 * * 612 00:26:17,494 --> 00:26:19,412 Here we go. 613 00:26:19,454 --> 00:26:21,998 Munson's assistant-- before this, 614 00:26:22,082 --> 00:26:26,086 he spent five years working at the Flowering Garden Facility 615 00:26:26,169 --> 00:26:27,879 in Queens. 616 00:26:27,962 --> 00:26:29,214 - What is that? 617 00:26:30,757 --> 00:26:32,634 - Memory-care facility. 618 00:26:35,387 --> 00:26:38,932 - According to his financials, 619 00:26:39,015 --> 00:26:42,519 Munson made three large payments this year 620 00:26:42,602 --> 00:26:45,730 to a Dr. Naomi Nezkahmi. 621 00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:48,483 Nezkahmi. 622 00:26:48,525 --> 00:26:50,026 She's a neurologist. 623 00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:52,612 * * 624 00:26:52,696 --> 00:26:55,365 - That's it. 625 00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:58,868 That's the smoking gun Hardiman was looking for. 626 00:27:00,578 --> 00:27:03,832 Norman Munson has dementia. 627 00:27:06,001 --> 00:27:08,503 - Somehow, Hardiman discovered Munson's dementia 628 00:27:08,628 --> 00:27:10,588 at that meeting. - Well, he must have. 629 00:27:10,672 --> 00:27:13,425 - It was a pretty late meeting. 630 00:27:13,550 --> 00:27:17,721 In my father's last years, he struggled to stay sharp. 631 00:27:17,846 --> 00:27:20,765 But after an hour, especially in the afternoon, 632 00:27:20,849 --> 00:27:22,809 his basic recall always failed. 633 00:27:22,934 --> 00:27:24,102 He could tell you every detail 634 00:27:24,185 --> 00:27:26,229 of what happened in his childhood, 635 00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:28,314 but he would forget what he had for breakfast. 636 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,567 I remember the shame on his face 637 00:27:30,608 --> 00:27:32,318 when he couldn't find an answer. 638 00:27:32,444 --> 00:27:34,446 It was--it was heartbreaking. 639 00:27:34,529 --> 00:27:37,574 - So Munson tripped up, and Hardiman saw it. 640 00:27:37,657 --> 00:27:40,035 - And Goodall saw it. 641 00:27:40,118 --> 00:27:41,578 - My guess-- 642 00:27:41,619 --> 00:27:44,539 that's why Goodall was in the meeting to begin with. 643 00:27:44,664 --> 00:27:46,624 He spends a lot of time with Munson. 644 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:48,501 He had to know about Munson's decline. 645 00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:50,628 He was guarding the secret, 646 00:27:50,754 --> 00:27:53,465 because if the board found out about Munson's dementia... 647 00:27:53,548 --> 00:27:56,968 - Forget about votes. That would force his dismissal. 648 00:27:57,052 --> 00:28:00,638 So Hardiman was going to expose Munson's condition, 649 00:28:00,722 --> 00:28:02,349 have him fired. 650 00:28:02,474 --> 00:28:05,185 That still only gets you halfway to motive. 651 00:28:05,226 --> 00:28:08,980 Why would Goodall kill to keep Munson as CEO? 652 00:28:09,022 --> 00:28:11,191 You said he was rich, had job options. 653 00:28:11,274 --> 00:28:13,026 - I know. I've been digging into Goodall's life. 654 00:28:13,151 --> 00:28:15,111 He was the furthest thing from desperate. 655 00:28:15,195 --> 00:28:17,030 He donated lots of money, 656 00:28:17,113 --> 00:28:19,866 tens of thousands to various schools, hospitals. 657 00:28:19,949 --> 00:28:22,410 - Whatever motivated him, his wife seemed to know. 658 00:28:22,494 --> 00:28:24,746 She vouched for his alibi, right? 659 00:28:24,871 --> 00:28:26,873 - Lied to police about what time he got home. 660 00:28:26,956 --> 00:28:29,250 - Yeah, there's no way she's gonna talk to us. 661 00:28:29,334 --> 00:28:32,045 - When Goodall's wife lied, she waived privilege. 662 00:28:32,087 --> 00:28:33,963 Give it a shot. Track her down. 663 00:28:39,469 --> 00:28:42,055 - Rachel Goodall-- her housekeeper said 664 00:28:42,138 --> 00:28:43,848 she's been here since 7:00 a.m.? 665 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:45,684 - Yes, Mrs. Goodall is an early bird, 666 00:28:45,725 --> 00:28:47,769 always here at the crack of dawn. 667 00:28:47,852 --> 00:28:48,937 Here we are. 668 00:28:50,522 --> 00:28:51,981 Do you mind? 669 00:28:52,023 --> 00:28:54,484 The kids are fragile. 670 00:28:54,609 --> 00:28:57,987 Leukemia, Batten disease-- here for our trials. 671 00:29:00,782 --> 00:29:06,913 * * 672 00:29:06,996 --> 00:29:08,790 Mrs. Goodall is over there. 673 00:29:08,915 --> 00:29:12,752 * * 674 00:29:12,877 --> 00:29:15,630 I am not talking to you. 675 00:29:15,714 --> 00:29:16,923 Please leave. 676 00:29:17,007 --> 00:29:18,883 - We just have some questions. Please. 677 00:29:18,967 --> 00:29:20,677 - I'm not gonna help you with anything. 678 00:29:20,719 --> 00:29:22,220 - We can subpoena you. 679 00:29:22,303 --> 00:29:25,140 - That is the least of my concerns. 680 00:29:25,265 --> 00:29:28,435 * * 681 00:29:28,518 --> 00:29:31,021 - Hi, sweetie. What's your name? 682 00:29:31,104 --> 00:29:38,069 * * 683 00:29:44,409 --> 00:29:46,661 Is this Kevin Goodall's daughter? 684 00:29:46,745 --> 00:29:47,996 She can't speak? 685 00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:49,664 - Batten disease. 686 00:29:49,748 --> 00:29:52,792 It's brutal. 687 00:29:52,876 --> 00:29:56,046 It erodes the ability to communicate... 688 00:29:56,129 --> 00:30:00,091 on top of the seizures, the disorientation, 689 00:30:00,175 --> 00:30:03,136 - eventual blindness. - They're all kids? 690 00:30:03,219 --> 00:30:05,347 - Symptoms present around the age of six. 691 00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:06,723 From that point, 692 00:30:06,806 --> 00:30:09,059 the body essentially starts to deteriorate. 693 00:30:09,100 --> 00:30:11,186 - You're running the trials for WellPoint, correct? 694 00:30:11,269 --> 00:30:12,812 - We're one year in. 695 00:30:12,896 --> 00:30:15,565 - How's it going? Are you close to a cure? 696 00:30:15,648 --> 00:30:16,941 - We're getting close, 697 00:30:17,025 --> 00:30:19,361 but we're still a few years out. 698 00:30:19,444 --> 00:30:23,114 The survival rate for Batten is under 2%. 699 00:30:23,198 --> 00:30:25,325 That's why we're working around the clock. 700 00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:28,036 It's the only chance these kids have. 701 00:30:28,161 --> 00:30:29,454 - Thanks. 702 00:30:31,373 --> 00:30:33,750 - Goodall didn't kill Hardiman to save his job. 703 00:30:41,841 --> 00:30:43,009 - So, if Hardiman had been able to install 704 00:30:44,052 --> 00:30:46,846 his new profit-driven CEO at WellPoint, 705 00:30:46,930 --> 00:30:48,973 what would have been his first order of business? 706 00:30:49,057 --> 00:30:50,475 - Eliminate budget waste. 707 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,602 - Can you elaborate? 708 00:30:52,686 --> 00:30:55,146 - WellPoint spends a fortune on small-market research 709 00:30:55,271 --> 00:30:56,773 into rare diseases. 710 00:30:56,898 --> 00:30:59,776 Hardiman wanted WellPoint moving to cholesterol, 711 00:30:59,859 --> 00:31:01,444 blood pressure, weight-loss drugs, 712 00:31:01,486 --> 00:31:03,405 products with bigger markets. 713 00:31:03,530 --> 00:31:06,324 - So some WellPoint trials would have ended. 714 00:31:06,366 --> 00:31:08,493 - Immediately. - Had he done this before-- 715 00:31:08,576 --> 00:31:11,830 cut drug research mid-trial 716 00:31:11,913 --> 00:31:14,040 in--in other firms that he invested in? 717 00:31:14,165 --> 00:31:16,126 - It's how he made his money. 718 00:31:16,251 --> 00:31:18,628 - Did Tom Hardiman share his proposed budget cuts 719 00:31:18,712 --> 00:31:20,296 with the WellPoint board? 720 00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:21,506 - Yes. 721 00:31:21,631 --> 00:31:23,299 He gave them a list. 722 00:31:23,383 --> 00:31:25,260 - I'm gonna show you what was previously marked as Exhibit 5. 723 00:31:25,343 --> 00:31:26,761 Was this it? 724 00:31:26,845 --> 00:31:29,848 This was presented in June, a list of drug research 725 00:31:29,931 --> 00:31:32,892 he wanted to end at WellPoint. - Yes. 726 00:31:32,934 --> 00:31:36,354 - Is Batten disease included on Hardiman's cut list? 727 00:31:36,479 --> 00:31:38,106 - Among others, yes. 728 00:31:38,189 --> 00:31:41,276 Your Honor, I'd like to submit a photograph. 729 00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:42,986 - Objection. 730 00:31:43,069 --> 00:31:44,988 - This was from a hospital newsletter, Your Honor. 731 00:31:45,071 --> 00:31:47,115 It's publicly available. 732 00:31:47,198 --> 00:31:48,366 - I'll allow it. 733 00:31:52,078 --> 00:31:54,873 - This was taken at a Mt. Hope Hospital event 734 00:31:54,914 --> 00:31:56,875 celebrating the strength and courage 735 00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,918 of children fighting Batten disease 736 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,798 and participating in WellPoint's Phase I trials. 737 00:32:03,882 --> 00:32:06,551 Please, could you read the caption aloud? 738 00:32:06,676 --> 00:32:08,219 - "Dr. Kevin Goodall 739 00:32:08,303 --> 00:32:10,889 "with his wife and daughter, Emily... 740 00:32:10,972 --> 00:32:14,601 a patient battling Batten disease." 741 00:32:14,726 --> 00:32:17,354 - So, if Munson had been removed, 742 00:32:17,479 --> 00:32:19,647 that would have been a de facto death sentence 743 00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:21,816 for Kevin Goodall's daughter. - Objection. 744 00:32:21,858 --> 00:32:23,360 - Withdrawn. 745 00:32:23,443 --> 00:32:26,613 No further questions. 746 00:32:26,738 --> 00:32:28,865 - Did Tom Hardiman have the power 747 00:32:28,907 --> 00:32:30,492 to fire Norman Munson? 748 00:32:30,575 --> 00:32:32,118 - He did not. 749 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,912 - Do you have any evidence that Tom Hardiman, 750 00:32:34,037 --> 00:32:35,663 or anyone for that matter, 751 00:32:35,789 --> 00:32:38,124 had amassed the board votes to fire Munson? 752 00:32:38,208 --> 00:32:40,460 - It was Tom's plan, but-- - Yes or no. 753 00:32:40,585 --> 00:32:42,545 Had he assembled the votes? 754 00:32:42,587 --> 00:32:44,047 - Not that I know of. 755 00:32:44,172 --> 00:32:48,677 - So the idea of what Munson's replacement might change 756 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,345 at WellPoint-- 757 00:32:50,428 --> 00:32:55,016 it's total speculation on top of complete impossibility, 758 00:32:55,100 --> 00:32:59,354 which means my client had no reason to kill Mr. Hardiman. 759 00:32:59,479 --> 00:33:03,191 * * 760 00:33:03,274 --> 00:33:04,734 Nothing further. 761 00:33:04,859 --> 00:33:08,822 * * 762 00:33:08,905 --> 00:33:11,074 - As distasteful as it might seem, 763 00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:12,867 the only way to win this 764 00:33:12,951 --> 00:33:15,870 is to prove that Hardiman knew Munson had dementia, 765 00:33:15,954 --> 00:33:17,997 and he was gonna use that to force him out. 766 00:33:18,081 --> 00:33:19,541 - How? 767 00:33:19,624 --> 00:33:21,626 We can't get access to Munson's medical records, 768 00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:24,212 let alone present them in court, without violating HIPAA. 769 00:33:24,337 --> 00:33:27,382 - We have to call Munson to the stand. 770 00:33:27,465 --> 00:33:29,426 - Based on what? - I don't know. 771 00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:31,720 Hardiman's plans to fire him? - And then? 772 00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:35,890 - I'd find a way to trip him up 773 00:33:35,974 --> 00:33:38,393 and reveal that his mental acuity is diminished. 774 00:33:38,476 --> 00:33:42,230 - That does not feel right, Nolan, for a lot of reasons. 775 00:33:42,313 --> 00:33:45,108 Look, we can always plead this to a lesser charge. 776 00:33:45,191 --> 00:33:47,360 Sam, he pushed the man into a moving car. 777 00:33:47,402 --> 00:33:49,571 That's murder. - Or manslaughter. 778 00:33:49,696 --> 00:33:52,365 He was acting under extreme emotional disturbance. 779 00:33:52,449 --> 00:33:54,743 He was panicked at the idea a new CEO 780 00:33:54,868 --> 00:33:56,911 would abandon Batten disease research, 781 00:33:57,037 --> 00:33:58,705 that his daughter's life was in jeopardy. 782 00:33:58,788 --> 00:34:00,623 - Who gave Goodall the right to decide 783 00:34:00,707 --> 00:34:02,667 what company shareholders can and can't know? 784 00:34:02,709 --> 00:34:04,294 Look what happened to Biden's inner circle 785 00:34:04,419 --> 00:34:06,629 when the world was questioning his fitness to serve. 786 00:34:06,755 --> 00:34:08,923 No one thought they had the right to keep that secret. 787 00:34:09,049 --> 00:34:10,884 - Norman Munson is not a commander in chief. 788 00:34:11,009 --> 00:34:12,969 And by all accounts, in the small portion 789 00:34:13,094 --> 00:34:16,514 of the world he does control, he did nothing but good. 790 00:34:16,598 --> 00:34:18,475 You want to humiliate him on the stand 791 00:34:18,558 --> 00:34:20,727 to--to help some Wall Street guys get richer? 792 00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:23,855 Hardiman's fund still owns a 24% stake. 793 00:34:23,938 --> 00:34:26,274 If Munson goes, they'll end research, 794 00:34:26,358 --> 00:34:28,485 medical research to save children's lives-- 795 00:34:28,568 --> 00:34:31,696 children we saw, Nolan. 796 00:34:31,780 --> 00:34:33,865 And we're doing this to-- 797 00:34:33,948 --> 00:34:37,243 to send a devoted doctor and father to prison for life 798 00:34:37,327 --> 00:34:39,454 to get justice for a corporate raider? 799 00:34:39,537 --> 00:34:42,791 - We don't get to rate our victims or defendants. 800 00:34:42,916 --> 00:34:45,960 - But Munson-- he's a bystander in all this. 801 00:34:48,421 --> 00:34:50,507 - Show me any other way. 802 00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:00,809 * * 803 00:35:00,934 --> 00:35:05,397 We are prepared to offer murder two. 804 00:35:05,438 --> 00:35:09,150 But we'll recommend 15 to 20 years, 805 00:35:09,234 --> 00:35:12,362 which is a gift for a charge of this magnitude. 806 00:35:12,404 --> 00:35:14,406 - Your case is weak, Nolan. That's why you're here. 807 00:35:14,489 --> 00:35:16,324 - No, we're here because we're offering 808 00:35:16,408 --> 00:35:19,119 a lifeline to your client and his daughter. 809 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,162 * * 810 00:35:21,246 --> 00:35:23,456 - Meaning what? 811 00:35:23,540 --> 00:35:26,418 - If you plead this out, no one will ever find out 812 00:35:26,501 --> 00:35:28,420 about Norman Munson's dementia. 813 00:35:28,503 --> 00:35:30,505 - "Dementia"? That's absurd. 814 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:32,799 - WellPoint is going to continue its research 815 00:35:32,924 --> 00:35:34,718 into Batten disease, find a cure. 816 00:35:34,801 --> 00:35:36,177 - And your daughter will live. 817 00:35:36,261 --> 00:35:38,013 - This is one of the more brazen threats 818 00:35:38,054 --> 00:35:39,848 I've heard all year. 819 00:35:39,973 --> 00:35:42,559 - Take this to verdict, you run two risks. 820 00:35:42,684 --> 00:35:45,645 One, I expose Norman Munson's cognitive issues, 821 00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:47,939 which means Munson is gone as CEO 822 00:35:48,064 --> 00:35:50,525 before the judge even sends the jury off to deliberate. 823 00:35:50,567 --> 00:35:53,528 Two, you will face a much harsher sentence 824 00:35:53,611 --> 00:35:55,155 than 15 to 20. 825 00:35:57,449 --> 00:36:00,869 - Well, we're not gonna lose, so we'll see you in court. 826 00:36:00,994 --> 00:36:05,665 * * 827 00:36:05,790 --> 00:36:07,667 O-one more thing-- 828 00:36:07,792 --> 00:36:09,169 I mentioned to Judge Dreben, 829 00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:11,087 I have a scheduling conflict in the morning, 830 00:36:11,171 --> 00:36:13,840 so we'll be calling Norman Munson late in the day. 831 00:36:13,923 --> 00:36:16,426 Apologies for any inconvenience. 832 00:36:16,509 --> 00:36:18,386 I hope he's not too tired. 833 00:36:18,511 --> 00:36:25,393 * * 834 00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:29,272 - Were you considering retirement? 835 00:36:29,356 --> 00:36:30,815 - Not at all. 836 00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:32,400 No. I love working. 837 00:36:34,277 --> 00:36:36,279 Do you know of any situation 838 00:36:36,363 --> 00:36:39,574 that could force your termination... 839 00:36:39,657 --> 00:36:44,287 for example, if you were convicted of a crime? 840 00:36:44,371 --> 00:36:46,623 - Well, in that case, I'm out. 841 00:36:46,706 --> 00:36:48,917 - What if you were caught 842 00:36:49,042 --> 00:36:50,960 deceiving the board or shareholders? 843 00:36:51,086 --> 00:36:52,128 - I'd be removed. 844 00:36:52,212 --> 00:36:53,630 - What if you were deemed 845 00:36:53,755 --> 00:36:57,509 medically incapable of fulfilling your duties? 846 00:36:57,592 --> 00:36:59,969 - They would have to remove me. 847 00:37:00,053 --> 00:37:01,680 - Your Honor, relevance. 848 00:37:01,763 --> 00:37:03,765 We have been at this for an hour, 849 00:37:03,848 --> 00:37:05,392 and the witness has made it clear 850 00:37:05,475 --> 00:37:07,894 he was not about to retire or be fired 851 00:37:07,977 --> 00:37:09,729 from WellPoint Therapeutics, 852 00:37:09,813 --> 00:37:12,524 despite all of Mr. Price's dire hypotheticals. 853 00:37:12,607 --> 00:37:14,109 - I'm getting there, Your Honor. 854 00:37:14,234 --> 00:37:17,195 - Defense asks he get there tomorrow. 855 00:37:17,237 --> 00:37:19,823 It's late. Requesting an adjournment. 856 00:37:19,906 --> 00:37:22,867 - Continue but swiftly. 857 00:37:22,951 --> 00:37:26,287 - So, Mr. Munson, once more... 858 00:37:26,371 --> 00:37:27,997 for the record, 859 00:37:28,081 --> 00:37:31,876 you had and have no intention of abandoning your position 860 00:37:32,002 --> 00:37:34,379 as CEO of WellPoint. 861 00:37:34,462 --> 00:37:37,257 - Correct. - One more question, and... 862 00:37:37,298 --> 00:37:39,676 It's the easiest one of the day. 863 00:37:42,220 --> 00:37:44,305 how did you get here today? 864 00:37:46,474 --> 00:37:47,976 - What? 865 00:37:49,936 --> 00:37:52,689 - How did you get to this courthouse? 866 00:37:52,772 --> 00:37:55,483 - Your Honor, relevance? 867 00:37:55,567 --> 00:37:56,985 - Overruled. 868 00:37:57,110 --> 00:38:01,614 * * 869 00:38:01,740 --> 00:38:03,450 - I don't--I don't understand. 870 00:38:03,533 --> 00:38:07,912 - You arrived at this courthouse two hours ago. 871 00:38:08,038 --> 00:38:11,332 And I'm simply asking that you tell us how you got here. 872 00:38:11,458 --> 00:38:17,339 * * 873 00:38:22,635 --> 00:38:29,225 * * 874 00:38:29,309 --> 00:38:31,269 Um... 875 00:38:33,938 --> 00:38:36,399 What's the question? 876 00:38:36,483 --> 00:38:39,319 - It's how you got here today. 877 00:38:39,402 --> 00:38:41,571 I'm asking how you got to court today. 878 00:38:41,696 --> 00:38:45,450 * * 879 00:38:47,827 --> 00:38:49,537 my car. 880 00:38:49,662 --> 00:38:52,207 - Really? You--you came here by car? 881 00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:53,541 - Yes, yes. 882 00:38:53,625 --> 00:38:56,086 A beautiful... 883 00:38:56,169 --> 00:38:59,714 blue BMW convertible. 884 00:38:59,798 --> 00:39:03,927 We would ride around with the top down all summer. 885 00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:06,221 Do you remember that? 886 00:39:06,346 --> 00:39:09,307 * * 887 00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:10,767 - Do I remember? 888 00:39:10,892 --> 00:39:13,937 * * 889 00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:16,523 Mr. Munson. - Do it. Go, stop it. 890 00:39:16,606 --> 00:39:18,608 - Judge, we'd like to meet in chambers. 891 00:39:18,692 --> 00:39:25,031 * * 892 00:39:27,242 --> 00:39:29,536 - I understand you've reached an agreement on a plea. 893 00:39:29,619 --> 00:39:31,621 - Yes, Your Honor, the defendant has agreed 894 00:39:31,663 --> 00:39:33,998 to plea to a charge of murder in the second degree. 895 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,460 We recommend a 15-year prison term. 896 00:39:37,544 --> 00:39:39,212 - Mr. Goodall... 897 00:39:39,337 --> 00:39:42,007 do you understand the terms of this deal? 898 00:39:42,132 --> 00:39:43,925 - I do, Your Honor. 899 00:39:44,050 --> 00:39:50,932 * * 900 00:39:53,226 --> 00:40:00,191 * * 901 00:40:08,116 --> 00:40:09,743 - Kevin! - Rachel. 902 00:40:09,826 --> 00:40:11,703 Rachel. 903 00:40:11,828 --> 00:40:13,163 I'm sorry. - Kevin! 904 00:40:13,246 --> 00:40:15,165 - There was no other way. 905 00:40:15,248 --> 00:40:17,250 Tell Emily I love her. 906 00:40:19,169 --> 00:40:21,796 - He was willing to give up his freedom, 907 00:40:21,921 --> 00:40:24,341 his whole life for his daughter... 908 00:40:24,382 --> 00:40:26,009 for the greater good. 909 00:40:26,134 --> 00:40:32,766 * * 910 00:40:52,452 --> 00:40:59,417 * * 67442

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