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In the criminal justice system, the
people are represented by two separate
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equally important groups. The police who
investigate crime and the district
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attorneys who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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You're not going to believe this. The
mother of one of my patients calls and
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wants an emergency session, right? So
their kid got wait -listed at Cornell.
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He's right on the bubble. The admissions
office wants to do a phone call with
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him, like an interview.
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And then he's in. It's great.
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Right? Yeah. Okay, but the kid declines
because of telephobia.
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All right? The fear of talking on the
telephone.
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That's a thing? It's an epidemic.
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Gen Z, Gen Alpha, they can do anything
on their phone except talk on it.
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Anyway, so I say to him, would you
rather go to Cornell or not make a phone
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call? And the kid says,
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Cornell wasn't meant to be. I couldn't
believe it.
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You know, in many cultures, it's
customary to say hello to someone when
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them. It's like a greeting.
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Hello. Hello.
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Sorry.
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Oh.
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Oh, I got it.
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You wouldn't believe what these kids
come in with.
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Crippling anxiety.
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Social isolation.
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I need to practice what I preach, don't
I? No judgment.
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Maybe.
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Okay, I'm putting this away now. We're
going to go for a walk, like people used
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to do before we had mega computers in
our pockets.
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Nora,
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Todd, you got a sec?
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Listen, it wasn't easy, but I can only
choose one of you.
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That's why they call it a solo.
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Nora, I'm going with Todd.
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Perfect. Don't be like that. Todd hit
that high C tonight.
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Plus, he's a totally awesome guy.
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I get you're upset.
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Channel it into your trumpet.
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We need everything we got this weekend.
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Later, Mr. P.
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Thanks.
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We good?
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Talk to me. Three stab wounds to the
upper back. No sign of the weapon.
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I found the body. A couple people heard
a scream. The jogger got here first. The
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kid died in his arms.
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Robbery? Doesn't look like it. Wallet
and backpack are here, but no cell
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I bet you my pension he had one, though.
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What kind
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of bead?
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It's a baguette.
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Got an ID on this kid?
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Todd Felton, 10th grade.
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Same grade as my daughter.
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It can't be happening.
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Why was your son in the park?
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He was walking home from school.
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Northwood Academy. He stayed late for
rehearsal.
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Big marching band competition on Sunday.
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And had anything unusual happen lately?
Any problems?
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No. But he was just a regular kid.
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He had a good head on his shoulders.
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Todd struggled a bit in the social
department.
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Would anyone want to hurt him? No.
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Todd never had so much as this couple at
school.
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Hear anything from Emmy?
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Yeah, she said that the stab wounds on
the victim were weird.
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Weird how?
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The weapon's blade was super sharp, but
it made shallow wounds. Just two and a
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quarter inches. A full inch shorter than
your standard switchblade.
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That is weird.
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Any luck pinging the Vic cell phone?
It's either off or destroyed. We've been
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scouring cameras in the vicinity of the
park for any suspicious activity, but no
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dice.
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Can you please tell me you have
something?
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Parents found some pills that weren't
Todd's. And the pills?
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Adderall. Todd had it stashed under his
mattress. And shocker, not his
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prescription. Most of the labels ripped
off, but there's still an RX number and
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a DOB.
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Yeah, yeah, there was enough on there
for me to call for a refill.
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Pharmacist assumed I was the holder's
father.
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Referred to me as a Mr.
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Colavecchio, so I referenced that name
against the directory of Todd's school,
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and I got a hit.
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Dylan Colavecchio.
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Fifteen years old, and according to the
yearbook, he's in some of the same AP
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classes as Todd, and also in the
marching band.
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Nice. You think this is about drugs?
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There's only one way to find out.
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I should just keep the jacket on.
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Dylan Colavecchio.
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We can talk to you about Todd Felton.
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Hey, stop!
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You're a smart kid that was really
freaking stupid.
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Okay, Dylan.
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You understand your rights? You don't
have to... Is there any questions? I
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want to. Yeah, I got it.
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And your mom's on her way.
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You called my mom?
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You're a minor. I had to.
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And you know what I'm going to tell her?
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You distributed a controlled substance,
and that's a Class D felony.
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Yeah, I sold my pills to Todd. He got
me, but I didn't kill anybody.
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Did you make the exchange with Todd
Feldman in Central Park yesterday, and
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he forget to pay you? No.
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I gave the pills to Todd at school last
week, and he paid me.
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With his Nintendo Switch.
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We're all gangsters.
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Half our school's on Adderall.
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Todd's just one of the few who didn't
actually have an ADHD diagnosis.
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So why do you need the drugs?
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To keep up.
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Todd's juggling AP classes, rocketry,
and he's going to war with this girl,
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Nora.
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Why is he going to war with this girl,
Nora?
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Over marching band stuff.
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Who was going to play the solo at the
band competition?
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You can't be serious.
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I know, it sounds stupid.
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Two kids fighting over a trumpet solo,
but it got nasty.
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Okay, Nora, there you are after school.
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That's you giving Todd Feldman a piece
of your mind.
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And 20 minutes later, he was murdered.
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I promise you, I went straight home from
school.
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And I FaceTimed all the way home with my
friend. You can check my phone.
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So what was this beef about, huh?
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Trumpet solo?
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Nothing to do with that.
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Well, what then?
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I always thought Todd was a decent guy,
but... I heard he sent around a nude
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photo of a girl at our school.
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Crap happens every day at our school.
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Happened to my sister.
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It was awful.
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No, it's very important.
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But you tell us, who was the girl in the
picture?
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Listen, Moore.
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We need to speak to your daughter.
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Why? We're investigating the murder of
one of her classmates.
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What's Kathy got to do with it? Can we
speak inside?
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Is Kathy here?
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No, she's at school.
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Actually, she's not.
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Hey, excuse me. Sir?
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We just came from there. She never went
to school today. What?
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First I heard of it.
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You can't find mine?
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Hey, Lou.
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Missing B from the scene.
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You know, Cassie, I don't usually do
this.
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When I've got a daughter your age, I'm
seeing what she's been through at
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To be honest, I think she's been pretty
lucky.
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What happened to you, what Todd Feldman
did to you, some might say that he
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deserved it. My daughter would never
hurt anyone, period. Mr. Moore, you are
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allowed to be here to support your
daughter, but you are not to answer
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for her. Do you understand me?
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We're only looking for the truth,
Cassie.
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This is from your bracelet.
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We found it next to Todd's body, and
that puts you at the crime scene.
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That's not true. I lost my bead like two
years ago.
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Cassie, come on. I'm telling the truth.
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Just got off the phone with Maroon.
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She doesn't think we have enough to
charge Cassie.
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If she's only 15, we can only hold her
for six hours.
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I got something.
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Access Cassie's Uber account.
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Toyota Camry picked her up near the west
side of Central Park, 300 yards from
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the scene, 11 minutes after the murder.
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Something that puts her in the area.
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Did you get a hold of the driver?
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Duke can hold a grudge, give Cassie two
stars.
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What'd she do?
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Make him make a pit stop on the way to
her apartment.
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Pit stop for what?
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His exact words, you gotta go, you gotta
go.
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You need to check your restroom.
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Nothing in here.
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Where is everything?
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Where's what?
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Your trash. Where do you put it? Oh,
there's a dumpster up back.
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When's trash day?
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God, we've got to find you a damn
partner.
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Yo, how long is this going to take?
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Ask me that again. I swear to God, all
right?
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Hey.
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What, I gotta sit through the trash and
take crap for it? No, no, no, no, no,
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dummy, look.
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Oh.
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Oh, yeah, I got some kind of credit card
here, too.
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Wait.
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It's not a credit card.
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Oh. See these.
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Women use these for self -defense.
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Huh.
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Looked like blood.
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Wouldn't match what the M .E. said, too,
right?
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The wounds were sharp but really
shallow.
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One man's trash is another man's
treasure.
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Salt and vinegar.
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You like?
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Kathy, I know I told you you're under no
obligation to talk to me. Truth is, I'm
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under no obligation to talk to you
either.
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So we found this group chat on Todd's
phone. Todd, you're his friend.
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Check out the last message she sent. The
photo of Cassie was fake.
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Now, we have a witness who found Todd
unresponsive, dead, and then made
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a call to 911 at 6 .37 p .m.
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And the funny thing is, when Todd sent
this message that the photo was fake,
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it was 6 .41 p .m.
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So he was already dead.
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Here's what I think.
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I think you killed Todd.
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Took his phone, scanned his face to
unlock it, and then you sent that
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his friends.
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And this is why.
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That picture Todd passed around school
was fake, wasn't it?
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And this is the original.
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You sent him.
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And I'm guessing he used one of those
stupid apps to turn it into a nude,
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is disgusting.
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So what happened?
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I had to go to this pool party with
these popular girls, and I wasn't
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so good about myself, you know?
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So you took a selfie of your suit, and
you sent it to your friend for
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reassurance. He was really nice about
it.
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He said that I looked great and that I
had nothing to worry about.
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But then he turned on you.
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Why?
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There was this group of guys, these
popular boys, and they were
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teasing him about being a virgin, and he
was just so desperate to fit in,
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so he told them that he hooked up with
me.
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sent them that photo of me nude.
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Well, you had every right to be angry.
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Because I hate him.
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So I... I waited for him in the park.
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How'd you know where he'd be?
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Because we walk home from school
together every day, and we always cut
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the same way in the park. And I waited
for him, and... when I
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saw him, I... stabbed him.
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She was so angry and hurting him was the
only thing that made sense.
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Thank you for being so honest.
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Can I go now?
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The victim's blood is a match to the
blood found on the weapon.
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Plus, we recovered Kathy's fingerprints
on the weapon and on the phone she stole
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from the victim. In addition to a full
confession, of course. The question now
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is do we charge her as an adult?
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That is a tough call.
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Kathy Moore planned it. She laid in
wait.
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She is also 15 years old. And the jury
will hear what was done to her, which
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cruel.
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I hear that. I read Cassie's confession,
though. This was a sophisticated and
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premeditated crime.
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Just like that kid at Hunts Point
committed a few weeks ago. We charged
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an adult.
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I don't really see much difference,
except for the fact that he's Dominican.
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Yeah, he was the same age as Cassie, but
that kid also had known gang ties five
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priors. We need to be consistent, Nolan.
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And let's not forget the victim, Todd
Feldman.
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When that fake photo started
circulating, she never told the police.
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She didn't tell the authorities at her
school. She never talked to her father.
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She just went straight to murder.
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Well, lots of victims don't report
crimes like this.
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Cassie may have felt too humiliated to
come forward.
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You're right.
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But I'm afraid that's irrelevant.
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Cassie brutally and viciously killed
this kid in cold blood.
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She needs to be tried as an adult.
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Grace. Hi.
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Hi. Come in.
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Oh, hi.
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Hi. You're charging Cassie more as an
adult?
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The defense are challenging it, which is
standard. But, yes, we're going to try.
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Also, you know I can't talk about this.
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Although I am curious how you even know.
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Cassie is my patient.
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She has been since she lost her mother.
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And her defense attorney has asked me to
testify on her behalf at the hearing.
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Please don't do this.
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She's just a kid. She's a screwed up
little girl.
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Ms. Hall, are you suggesting all
teenagers are mentally ill?
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Yes, sort of.
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From the age of 12 to 17, the body is in
a state of flux.
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Teens are flooded with hormones that
make them miserable, reactionary, but
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prefrontal cortex isn't yet developed
enough to override those emotions with
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reason. And, Cassie Moore?
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There are aspects of our work that
Cassie has asked me to keep private, but
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can tell you that developmentally,
Cassie is a very young 15.
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COVID stole her mother. That led to
severe anxiety.
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Cassie lacks impulse control and sound
judgment, even by the standards of a 15
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-year -old.
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She needs help, not prison.
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Nothing further, Your Honor.
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Mr. Price?
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Ms. Hall, here's the law.
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Age is not a shield from accountability
when the mind demonstrates adult -level
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intent and understanding.
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So, uh, let's talk about that.
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Are you aware that Cassie Moore
acknowledged to police that this was a
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premeditated act? No, I'm aware that
Cassie discussed her actions with the
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police, but I'm not prepared to label it
a premeditated act.
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Or that Cassie has confessed that she
took pains to learn Todd's schedule that
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day so she'd know when he'd be in the
park, that she scouted the park earlier
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choose a secluded area?
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No, I was not aware of that.
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She set out that day with lethal intent.
She carried out this murder. She
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covered her tracks by disposing of the
weapon and stealing the victim's cell
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phone. Ms. Hall, in your professional
opinion, do
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those sound like the actions of a child,
or does that sound like adult -level
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intent and understanding?
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I heard we won the hearing and that your
friend was a witness.
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Not ideal.
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Uh, Nick, I think we should offer Cassie
Moore a deal.
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The facts of this case say murder, the
facts say adult crime, but I'm looking
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this defendant and I see a wounded 15
-year -old girl.
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Is this you talking or Grace?
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Me. It is my job to win this thing. What
I'm telling you is that if I see that
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side of Cassie, how are 12 people on the
jury going to respond?
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12 human beings, even with the facts on
our side.
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All right.
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Moffert up.
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Man won 12 years, nothing less.
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We are not...
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without sympathy for your client, the
circumstances, the strain she was under
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when she carried out this attack, her
age, of course.
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So we're open to discussing a deal.
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If she pleads guilty to man one, what
would come in 12 years? For six in
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then when she's 21, she'll transfer to
adult prison.
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She's probably out when she's 22, 23.
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She's going to have a life.
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No.
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We're not interested.
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Aaron, this is...
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It's a good offer.
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My client and her father are committed
to trying this case.
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They believe she did nothing wrong, so
only eight years in prison is not an
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option.
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Okay, that's fine. But just know this is
a one -time offer.
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And the evidence against your client is
overwhelming.
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Well, not for long.
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Motion to suppress Patsy's confession.
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True that Ms. Moore did not have an
adult present when she confessed, but
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irrelevant here. To question a minor,
law enforcement's only legally required
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notify an interested adult and confirm
the minor understands their Miranda
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rights.
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Police did both of those things. Your
Honor, Lieutenant Brady deliberately
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waited until Cassie's father left the
room to question her. There is no
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of that. And even if it were true, it
still would not violate the law, Your
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Honor. She knew if she could get Cassie
alone, she could exploit her youth, her
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vulnerability. Lieutenant Brady wasn't
actively questioning her at that moment.
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Lieutenant Brady had food brought in for
the defendant. Then Cassie started
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talking. Your Honor, please.
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It wasn't some stupid bag of potato
chips that got Cassie talking.
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It was evidence.
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Lieutenant Brady is a decorated veteran
officer who knew exactly how it would
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unfold after she happened to show that
photograph to this emotionally shattered
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15 -year -old girl. It was a cynical and
intentional ploy. It worked.
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Doesn't mean the court has to stand for
it.
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I agree. It's out.
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Your Honor.
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That's your cue to leave, Mr. Price.
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Okay, so the confession is out.
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Not that big of a surprise.
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No, but this is. Cassie's attorney is
now alleging self -defense.
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Makes sense.
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Once the judge kicked out the
confession, this case becomes sheets
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And he is dead.
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So they invented this self -defense
claim.
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Now we know why they rejected the plea.
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Good news is the evidence is in our
favor.
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Kathy clearly planned this attack. She
stabbed the victim in the back, hid the
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murder weapon.
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Make that the focus of your case. The
evidence, the facts.
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Despite her age and the unfortunate
circumstances leading up to this crime,
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those jurors need to realize this was a
cold -blooded murder.
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Lieutenant Brady.
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Could you read the highlighted portion
of the medical examiner's report
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regarding the victim, Todd Feldman?
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Decedent sustained three sharp force
injuries to the neck and upper back.
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of death is massive hemorrhage from
bilateral vertebral artery transections.
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Layman's term?
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Mr. Feldman was stabbed three times, and
the blade severed the arteries that
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provide blood to the brain and spinal
cord.
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How many homicides have you investigated
in your career?
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Uh, 145, give or take.
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In your experience, do those who are
defending themselves stab people in the
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back? No, they do not.
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This bead detectives discovered at the
crime scene near the body. When you
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explained to Ms. Moore that you had
found her bead, what did she do?
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She claimed that she had lost hers two
years prior.
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Obviously, that bead put her at the
crime scene, so she lied.
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Objection. That's speculation.
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Sustained. When you first questioned Ms.
Moore, did she tell you that Todd
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Feldman had threatened her?
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No. Did she tell you she was afraid for
her life, that she acted in self
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-defense?
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No, she did not.
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Ms. Coleman, like Todd Feldman, you're a
member of Northwood Academy Marching
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Band, correct?
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00:25:26,910 --> 00:25:28,450
Right. We both play trumpet.
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So on the evening of September 4th, you
had reason to stay after school with Mr.
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Feldman? We had a long practice after
school to get ready for a competition.
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Did you receive messages from Ms. Moore
while you were there?
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Yes, on Snap.
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She asked me to tell her what time
practice was over, so I did.
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Did she say anything else?
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No.
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She was just acting really weird.
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I'd seen her earlier in the day at
school.
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She was crying in a stairwell about the
picture and stuff.
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00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,140
We're friends, so I just kind of asked
her if she was okay.
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What'd she say?
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No.
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But I will be.
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Soon.
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Thought I could trust Todd.
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I had for years.
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I mean, we started at kindergarten at
the same time.
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And it was only a few years after that,
once we realized how close we lived to
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each other, that we started walking home
from school, cutting through the park
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every day.
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And as the years went on, we kind of
knew everything about each other.
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And we taught each other how to ride
bikes, all that stuff.
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He was a brother I never had, basically.
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Your Honor, I would like to show the
jury privately the image Mr. Feldman
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manufactured using AI.
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Go ahead.
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What happened after this altered photo
circulated at school?
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My life ended.
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00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:18,850
Todd sent it to three kids.
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00:27:19,330 --> 00:27:21,690
Someone put it on Snap, and it was
everywhere.
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00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,290
And our school can be so mean.
430
00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:31,230
People were laughing at me, calling me a
slut.
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00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:34,090
I mean, I've never even kissed anyone
before.
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00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:37,370
Why did you go to the park that night,
Cassie?
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00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,520
I texted Todd three or four times to try
to get him to tell everyone that the
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photo was fake, but he left me on read.
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00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:54,660
I just thought that if I could see him
in person, if I could just
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have a heart -to -heart without anyone
else around, if he could just see what I
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was going through, everything just felt
so out of control.
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What did he say that night?
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He said he couldn't.
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He said he didn't want his friends to
know the truth.
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00:28:15,090 --> 00:28:17,410
So I told him that I would tell the
cops.
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00:28:18,170 --> 00:28:25,010
And the next thing I knew, his hand was
around my neck,
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squeezing hard.
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And I told him to stop, but he wouldn't.
And I just panicked, but I didn't mean
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to kill him. I'm so sorry.
446
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:42,730
If you were defending yourself, why did
you stab Todd in the back?
447
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When I went to stab him, he turned his
back on me.
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00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:50,070
And why did you have a knife with you?
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For protection.
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00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:57,230
My dad got it for me. I carried it all
the time. I walked through the park by
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myself a lot. You carried it for self
-defense.
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00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:07,930
And then you used it in self -defense
because you were reasonably afraid for
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your life.
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00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:09,770
Yeah.
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00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:13,950
I mean, Todd was twice my size and he
said he was going to kill me.
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Nothing further.
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00:29:24,290 --> 00:29:30,830
When you were afraid for your life, did
you run and scream?
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00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:39,180
No. Well, then, and after you plunged a
knife into Todd
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Feldman's back three different times,
did you call 911, the police?
460
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,320
No.
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00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,040
Why not?
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00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:55,280
Because I knew how it would look.
463
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,400
Yes.
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Real bad.
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If you were truly acting in self
-defense, why go through the trouble of
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stealing Todd's phone?
467
00:30:09,170 --> 00:30:15,690
Why go through the trouble of posing as
Todd, texting his friend four minutes
468
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:18,990
after Todd was dead, and telling him to
delete the doctored photo?
469
00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:25,390
You have no idea.
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00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:32,010
What it is like to have a photo of
yourself passed around like this.
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Everyone laughing at you, enjoying your
humiliation.
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00:30:46,270 --> 00:30:47,530
Nothing further, Your Honor.
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Courts adjourned until 8 .30 a .m.
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We are losing the jury.
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00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,100
So the self -defense claim is working?
476
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,280
They're attacking the victim, turning
him into something he wasn't.
477
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,480
A bullet.
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00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:13,020
And Kathy is a compelling witness.
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00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,880
A very good liar, of course.
480
00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:17,600
Are you saying the jury's on her side?
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It looks that way.
482
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,220
I mean, we're asking the jury to go to
bat for a boy who violated one of his
483
00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:28,480
oldest friends to curry favor with a
bunch of girl -hating idiots.
484
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,420
Isn't I told you so in there somewhere?
485
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,300
I'm just trying to get the result you
want.
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00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,400
She murdered this kid Feldman.
487
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,900
Stabbed him repeatedly.
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00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:41,680
Yes, he did something stupid, something
cowardly.
489
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,880
But he was just a kid too.
490
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,700
Yeah, it's a complicated case.
491
00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:47,900
We offered man one. They said no.
492
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:49,720
I get it. I do.
493
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:54,460
I'm just trying to do my job. And right
now we need evidence to rebut the self
494
00:31:54,460 --> 00:31:56,200
-defense claim or she's going to walk.
495
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,120
So get to work.
496
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:08,050
This is hopeless.
497
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:10,670
I don't know how we're going to get this
jury back.
498
00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:13,530
Oh, you little face.
499
00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:19,190
I asked Sarah to do another deep dive on
Cassie's devices.
500
00:32:19,670 --> 00:32:21,430
Turns out she has a Finsta account.
501
00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:27,270
A Finsta? Yeah, it's like a hidden
alternate Instagram account designed to
502
00:32:27,270 --> 00:32:28,270
under the radar.
503
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:30,130
Cassie used a fake name.
504
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:31,870
Lizzie Bennett.
505
00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:33,370
Like Pride and Prejudice?
506
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:35,610
That could taste. I'll give her that.
507
00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:37,940
That explains why a text couldn't find
the account.
508
00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:43,080
Yeah. Looks like she used it to sense
the end.
509
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,540
You won't believe who she sent them to.
510
00:33:01,060 --> 00:33:03,620
You and I, we were together that day.
511
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,680
The day of the murder, you were telling
me about the kid who couldn't go to
512
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,460
Cornell because he was terrified of
telephones.
513
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,880
And Kathy, she was the kid who was
calling you and texting you all the
514
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:22,740
Nolan, slow down. Kathy called and
texted you repeatedly minutes before the
515
00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:24,180
murder. Is that right?
516
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Yes, she was venting. Venting about
what? About the fake photo?
517
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Todd? Yeah, she was very upset, and she
was traumatized. So what did she say?
518
00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:36,500
What were her exact words?
519
00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:39,320
You know, I can't tell you that.
520
00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:47,080
Grace, she was en route to murder
someone, and she called you and texted
521
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,160
the way. Hell, she might have already
been waiting for him in the park. Nolan,
522
00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:56,760
please, please, I really need you to
understand how much I care about Cassie.
523
00:33:58,220 --> 00:33:59,220
How is that?
524
00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:07,380
When her mother died, I... When she got
her period for the first time, I
525
00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:12,639
was the one who went to the drugstore. I
taught her how to shave her legs over
526
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,620
FaceTime. I... I was supposed to protect
her.
527
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,520
She told you she was going to kill him,
didn't she?
528
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,719
I never thought... Why didn't you tell
me? She's been there.
529
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,280
I don't want to send her to prison.
530
00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:44,219
If you have information that Kathy set
out with the intent to kill Todd
531
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:48,440
you have to testify. No, I can't. I'm
afraid that's not up to you.
532
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,800
Or me, for that matter.
533
00:34:57,420 --> 00:35:02,600
Ms. Hall, could you please explain to
the jury what it means to be a hostile
534
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,600
witness?
535
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,460
It means I don't want to be here.
536
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,280
Why? Are you here?
537
00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:14,360
You told me if I didn't comply with your
subpoena that a warrant could be issued
538
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,360
for my arrest.
539
00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:18,840
How long have you served as Cassie
Moore's psychiatrist?
540
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,100
I started seeing Cassie shortly after
the death of her mother in 2020.
541
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,600
Kathy, ever send you messages through
Instagram?
542
00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:36,900
Yes. She would message me on occasion. I
discouraged it.
543
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:42,920
Boundaries are an important part of any
relationship between a mental health
544
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,520
professional and a patient, so I
preferred to talk in regular session,
545
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,080
sometimes she needed more.
546
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,760
Did the defendant send you a series of
messages through Instagram on the
547
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480
of September 4th, the evening Todd
Feldman was killed?
548
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,760
Yes. Do you still have those messages?
549
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,680
No, they were automatically deleted
after 24 hours.
550
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,220
Can you recall what Kathy said?
551
00:36:16,460 --> 00:36:20,710
Objection! Communication between my
client and Dr. Hall is protected by
552
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:24,630
therapist -patient confidentiality. Your
Honor, we've been through this. Duty to
553
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:27,990
warn is the exception to therapist
-patient privilege.
554
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:29,710
Overruled.
555
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:32,970
Dr. Hall, please answer the question.
556
00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:44,010
She said... She said...
557
00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:47,190
I'm going to make him pay.
558
00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:49,950
I'm going to kill him.
559
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:53,370
Did you reply?
560
00:36:54,950 --> 00:37:00,010
Yes. I told her that she had every right
to be angry.
561
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:08,990
Take some deep breath and we would talk
it out tomorrow.
562
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:14,230
Tomorrow was too late.
563
00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:18,940
Yes, it was.
564
00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:32,240
Ms. Hall, why didn't you do more?
565
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:35,460
Contact the authorities.
566
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
You have no idea.
567
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,900
I'm sorry. Could you please speak up?
568
00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:54,540
You have no idea how much kids suffer
today.
569
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,420
Anxiety, body issues, stress, social
media. Every day, kids come to me with
570
00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:03,420
death on their mind.
571
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:10,660
Suicidal ideation, homicidal ideation. I
have to make a judgment call every
572
00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:15,800
time. If I didn't, if I wasn't
discerning, then I might as well just
573
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,520
practice right into the NYPD.
574
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:25,930
Instead, I try to offer a safe space, a
575
00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:28,410
haven.
576
00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:33,330
And I got this one wrong.
577
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:38,490
And two lives were ruined as a result.
578
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:43,690
Todd Feldman's and Tassie Moore's.
579
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:50,490
I'll never forgive myself.
580
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:06,750
Has the jury reached a verdict?
581
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:09,030
We have.
582
00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:17,190
In the charge of murder in the second
degree, we find the defendant, Kathy
583
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:18,190
Moore.
584
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:22,170
Guilty.
585
00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:25,150
Oh, God, Kathy.
586
00:39:26,290 --> 00:39:29,350
Members of the jury, thank you for your
service.
587
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:50,710
No rush, but...
588
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,320
Do you want to order some dinner?
589
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,320
Uh, Ellen?
590
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,960
I'll give it another minute.
591
00:39:58,260 --> 00:39:59,640
OK. Just let me know.
592
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Hey,
593
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,240
it's me.
594
00:40:20,650 --> 00:40:21,650
I'm at the restaurant.
595
00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:25,490
If you're not up for dinner, I totally
get it.
596
00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:28,570
But let me know. I just want to make
sure.
597
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:43,870
Hi.
598
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:46,190
Sorry I'm late.
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