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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:09,560 In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate 2 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,580 equally important groups. The police who investigate crime and the district 3 00:00:13,580 --> 00:00:15,240 attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 4 00:00:15,580 --> 00:00:16,880 These are their stories. 5 00:00:20,060 --> 00:00:24,560 You're not going to believe this. The mother of one of my patients calls and 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:30,800 wants an emergency session, right? So their kid got wait -listed at Cornell. 7 00:00:31,450 --> 00:00:34,650 He's right on the bubble. The admissions office wants to do a phone call with 8 00:00:34,650 --> 00:00:36,050 him, like an interview. 9 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:38,250 And then he's in. It's great. 10 00:00:38,610 --> 00:00:43,910 Right? Yeah. Okay, but the kid declines because of telephobia. 11 00:00:44,150 --> 00:00:46,670 All right? The fear of talking on the telephone. 12 00:00:46,930 --> 00:00:48,670 That's a thing? It's an epidemic. 13 00:00:49,170 --> 00:00:53,690 Gen Z, Gen Alpha, they can do anything on their phone except talk on it. 14 00:00:54,010 --> 00:00:59,210 Anyway, so I say to him, would you rather go to Cornell or not make a phone 15 00:00:59,210 --> 00:01:00,510 call? And the kid says, 16 00:01:01,210 --> 00:01:03,990 Cornell wasn't meant to be. I couldn't believe it. 17 00:01:04,610 --> 00:01:10,290 You know, in many cultures, it's customary to say hello to someone when 18 00:01:10,290 --> 00:01:11,770 them. It's like a greeting. 19 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:13,750 Hello. Hello. 20 00:01:15,290 --> 00:01:16,290 Sorry. 21 00:01:17,670 --> 00:01:18,670 Oh. 22 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:20,730 Oh, I got it. 23 00:01:23,070 --> 00:01:25,030 You wouldn't believe what these kids come in with. 24 00:01:25,330 --> 00:01:26,330 Crippling anxiety. 25 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:27,390 Social isolation. 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,580 I need to practice what I preach, don't I? No judgment. 27 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:39,780 Maybe. 28 00:01:40,180 --> 00:01:44,240 Okay, I'm putting this away now. We're going to go for a walk, like people used 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,940 to do before we had mega computers in our pockets. 30 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,120 Nora, 31 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:53,820 Todd, you got a sec? 32 00:01:55,500 --> 00:01:59,720 Listen, it wasn't easy, but I can only choose one of you. 33 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:01,200 That's why they call it a solo. 34 00:02:02,540 --> 00:02:03,620 Nora, I'm going with Todd. 35 00:02:06,619 --> 00:02:09,380 Perfect. Don't be like that. Todd hit that high C tonight. 36 00:02:10,020 --> 00:02:11,760 Plus, he's a totally awesome guy. 37 00:02:11,980 --> 00:02:12,980 I get you're upset. 38 00:02:13,660 --> 00:02:14,860 Channel it into your trumpet. 39 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,740 We need everything we got this weekend. 40 00:02:19,020 --> 00:02:20,320 Later, Mr. P. 41 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:21,640 Thanks. 42 00:02:26,740 --> 00:02:27,740 We good? 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,910 Talk to me. Three stab wounds to the upper back. No sign of the weapon. 44 00:02:38,270 --> 00:02:41,690 I found the body. A couple people heard a scream. The jogger got here first. The 45 00:02:41,690 --> 00:02:42,690 kid died in his arms. 46 00:02:44,030 --> 00:02:47,930 Robbery? Doesn't look like it. Wallet and backpack are here, but no cell 47 00:02:48,250 --> 00:02:50,170 I bet you my pension he had one, though. 48 00:02:53,530 --> 00:02:56,170 What kind 49 00:02:56,170 --> 00:03:02,690 of bead? 50 00:03:04,390 --> 00:03:05,390 It's a baguette. 51 00:03:06,730 --> 00:03:07,890 Got an ID on this kid? 52 00:03:08,350 --> 00:03:09,750 Todd Felton, 10th grade. 53 00:03:12,670 --> 00:03:13,770 Same grade as my daughter. 54 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:05,880 It can't be happening. 55 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:09,980 Why was your son in the park? 56 00:04:10,220 --> 00:04:11,520 He was walking home from school. 57 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,940 Northwood Academy. He stayed late for rehearsal. 58 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,660 Big marching band competition on Sunday. 59 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,420 And had anything unusual happen lately? Any problems? 60 00:04:22,980 --> 00:04:25,920 No. But he was just a regular kid. 61 00:04:26,580 --> 00:04:28,260 He had a good head on his shoulders. 62 00:04:28,900 --> 00:04:31,100 Todd struggled a bit in the social department. 63 00:04:33,610 --> 00:04:35,370 Would anyone want to hurt him? No. 64 00:04:36,710 --> 00:04:38,890 Todd never had so much as this couple at school. 65 00:04:43,390 --> 00:04:44,570 Hear anything from Emmy? 66 00:04:45,090 --> 00:04:47,910 Yeah, she said that the stab wounds on the victim were weird. 67 00:04:48,530 --> 00:04:49,530 Weird how? 68 00:04:49,550 --> 00:04:53,550 The weapon's blade was super sharp, but it made shallow wounds. Just two and a 69 00:04:53,550 --> 00:04:56,430 quarter inches. A full inch shorter than your standard switchblade. 70 00:04:56,750 --> 00:04:57,750 That is weird. 71 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:01,520 Any luck pinging the Vic cell phone? It's either off or destroyed. We've been 72 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,220 scouring cameras in the vicinity of the park for any suspicious activity, but no 73 00:05:06,220 --> 00:05:07,220 dice. 74 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,140 Can you please tell me you have something? 75 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,860 Parents found some pills that weren't Todd's. And the pills? 76 00:05:14,260 --> 00:05:19,200 Adderall. Todd had it stashed under his mattress. And shocker, not his 77 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,240 prescription. Most of the labels ripped off, but there's still an RX number and 78 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:24,240 a DOB. 79 00:05:24,250 --> 00:05:27,150 Yeah, yeah, there was enough on there for me to call for a refill. 80 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:29,330 Pharmacist assumed I was the holder's father. 81 00:05:29,890 --> 00:05:31,230 Referred to me as a Mr. 82 00:05:31,630 --> 00:05:34,970 Colavecchio, so I referenced that name against the directory of Todd's school, 83 00:05:35,050 --> 00:05:36,050 and I got a hit. 84 00:05:36,130 --> 00:05:37,210 Dylan Colavecchio. 85 00:05:37,930 --> 00:05:41,290 Fifteen years old, and according to the yearbook, he's in some of the same AP 86 00:05:41,290 --> 00:05:43,470 classes as Todd, and also in the marching band. 87 00:05:43,990 --> 00:05:45,950 Nice. You think this is about drugs? 88 00:05:46,970 --> 00:05:48,270 There's only one way to find out. 89 00:05:48,550 --> 00:05:50,030 I should just keep the jacket on. 90 00:05:53,980 --> 00:05:54,980 Dylan Colavecchio. 91 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:57,920 We can talk to you about Todd Felton. 92 00:05:59,020 --> 00:06:00,020 Hey, stop! 93 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:06,500 You're a smart kid that was really freaking stupid. 94 00:06:13,140 --> 00:06:14,140 Okay, Dylan. 95 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,420 You understand your rights? You don't have to... Is there any questions? I 96 00:06:18,420 --> 00:06:19,540 want to. Yeah, I got it. 97 00:06:20,060 --> 00:06:21,340 And your mom's on her way. 98 00:06:21,700 --> 00:06:22,700 You called my mom? 99 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:24,450 You're a minor. I had to. 100 00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:27,090 And you know what I'm going to tell her? 101 00:06:27,790 --> 00:06:33,330 You distributed a controlled substance, and that's a Class D felony. 102 00:06:33,970 --> 00:06:37,630 Yeah, I sold my pills to Todd. He got me, but I didn't kill anybody. 103 00:06:39,810 --> 00:06:43,830 Did you make the exchange with Todd Feldman in Central Park yesterday, and 104 00:06:43,830 --> 00:06:45,910 he forget to pay you? No. 105 00:06:46,870 --> 00:06:50,650 I gave the pills to Todd at school last week, and he paid me. 106 00:06:52,140 --> 00:06:53,580 With his Nintendo Switch. 107 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:56,320 We're all gangsters. 108 00:06:56,700 --> 00:06:58,340 Half our school's on Adderall. 109 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:03,060 Todd's just one of the few who didn't actually have an ADHD diagnosis. 110 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:04,580 So why do you need the drugs? 111 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:06,280 To keep up. 112 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:11,880 Todd's juggling AP classes, rocketry, and he's going to war with this girl, 113 00:07:11,940 --> 00:07:12,940 Nora. 114 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,960 Why is he going to war with this girl, Nora? 115 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,180 Over marching band stuff. 116 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,980 Who was going to play the solo at the band competition? 117 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:23,800 You can't be serious. 118 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,100 I know, it sounds stupid. 119 00:07:26,380 --> 00:07:31,080 Two kids fighting over a trumpet solo, but it got nasty. 120 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Okay, Nora, there you are after school. 121 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,880 That's you giving Todd Feldman a piece of your mind. 122 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,220 And 20 minutes later, he was murdered. 123 00:07:45,180 --> 00:07:47,600 I promise you, I went straight home from school. 124 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,260 And I FaceTimed all the way home with my friend. You can check my phone. 125 00:07:52,060 --> 00:07:53,480 So what was this beef about, huh? 126 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:55,800 Trumpet solo? 127 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,620 Nothing to do with that. 128 00:07:57,900 --> 00:07:58,900 Well, what then? 129 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:06,420 I always thought Todd was a decent guy, but... I heard he sent around a nude 130 00:08:06,420 --> 00:08:08,040 photo of a girl at our school. 131 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,020 Crap happens every day at our school. 132 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:12,700 Happened to my sister. 133 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,000 It was awful. 134 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:16,600 No, it's very important. 135 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,640 But you tell us, who was the girl in the picture? 136 00:08:27,900 --> 00:08:28,879 Listen, Moore. 137 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,140 We need to speak to your daughter. 138 00:08:30,620 --> 00:08:33,799 Why? We're investigating the murder of one of her classmates. 139 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,260 What's Kathy got to do with it? Can we speak inside? 140 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:39,640 Is Kathy here? 141 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,220 No, she's at school. 142 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,460 Actually, she's not. 143 00:08:44,020 --> 00:08:45,140 Hey, excuse me. Sir? 144 00:08:45,580 --> 00:08:48,060 We just came from there. She never went to school today. What? 145 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:50,140 First I heard of it. 146 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:51,480 You can't find mine? 147 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Hey, Lou. 148 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:56,740 Missing B from the scene. 149 00:09:06,100 --> 00:09:08,700 You know, Cassie, I don't usually do this. 150 00:09:10,820 --> 00:09:14,460 When I've got a daughter your age, I'm seeing what she's been through at 151 00:09:15,340 --> 00:09:17,240 To be honest, I think she's been pretty lucky. 152 00:09:18,680 --> 00:09:23,120 What happened to you, what Todd Feldman did to you, some might say that he 153 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,660 deserved it. My daughter would never hurt anyone, period. Mr. Moore, you are 154 00:09:26,660 --> 00:09:29,640 allowed to be here to support your daughter, but you are not to answer 155 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:30,820 for her. Do you understand me? 156 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:35,420 We're only looking for the truth, Cassie. 157 00:09:36,540 --> 00:09:37,800 This is from your bracelet. 158 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,380 We found it next to Todd's body, and that puts you at the crime scene. 159 00:09:44,870 --> 00:09:47,530 That's not true. I lost my bead like two years ago. 160 00:09:47,810 --> 00:09:49,330 Cassie, come on. I'm telling the truth. 161 00:09:53,070 --> 00:09:54,850 Just got off the phone with Maroon. 162 00:09:57,030 --> 00:09:59,250 She doesn't think we have enough to charge Cassie. 163 00:10:00,650 --> 00:10:03,050 If she's only 15, we can only hold her for six hours. 164 00:10:03,350 --> 00:10:04,350 I got something. 165 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:06,250 Access Cassie's Uber account. 166 00:10:06,970 --> 00:10:11,210 Toyota Camry picked her up near the west side of Central Park, 300 yards from 167 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:12,830 the scene, 11 minutes after the murder. 168 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:14,900 Something that puts her in the area. 169 00:10:15,220 --> 00:10:16,420 Did you get a hold of the driver? 170 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,960 Duke can hold a grudge, give Cassie two stars. 171 00:10:19,460 --> 00:10:20,460 What'd she do? 172 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Make him make a pit stop on the way to her apartment. 173 00:10:23,380 --> 00:10:24,380 Pit stop for what? 174 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,620 His exact words, you gotta go, you gotta go. 175 00:10:30,820 --> 00:10:32,100 You need to check your restroom. 176 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:43,360 Nothing in here. 177 00:10:45,070 --> 00:10:46,070 Where is everything? 178 00:10:46,190 --> 00:10:47,009 Where's what? 179 00:10:47,010 --> 00:10:49,690 Your trash. Where do you put it? Oh, there's a dumpster up back. 180 00:10:50,130 --> 00:10:51,130 When's trash day? 181 00:10:59,550 --> 00:11:02,090 God, we've got to find you a damn partner. 182 00:11:04,370 --> 00:11:06,770 Yo, how long is this going to take? 183 00:11:07,190 --> 00:11:09,270 Ask me that again. I swear to God, all right? 184 00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:10,670 Hey. 185 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,640 What, I gotta sit through the trash and take crap for it? No, no, no, no, no, 186 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,640 dummy, look. 187 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,040 Oh. 188 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,020 Oh, yeah, I got some kind of credit card here, too. 189 00:11:23,260 --> 00:11:24,260 Wait. 190 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:26,100 It's not a credit card. 191 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:27,520 Oh. See these. 192 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:30,400 Women use these for self -defense. 193 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:33,560 Huh. 194 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:35,560 Looked like blood. 195 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Wouldn't match what the M .E. said, too, right? 196 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,700 The wounds were sharp but really shallow. 197 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,320 One man's trash is another man's treasure. 198 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:52,680 Salt and vinegar. 199 00:11:53,620 --> 00:11:54,620 You like? 200 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:02,460 Kathy, I know I told you you're under no obligation to talk to me. Truth is, I'm 201 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:04,120 under no obligation to talk to you either. 202 00:12:05,380 --> 00:12:10,240 So we found this group chat on Todd's phone. Todd, you're his friend. 203 00:12:11,370 --> 00:12:15,350 Check out the last message she sent. The photo of Cassie was fake. 204 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:27,110 Now, we have a witness who found Todd unresponsive, dead, and then made 205 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:31,610 a call to 911 at 6 .37 p .m. 206 00:12:32,250 --> 00:12:38,650 And the funny thing is, when Todd sent this message that the photo was fake, 207 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:40,810 it was 6 .41 p .m. 208 00:12:43,180 --> 00:12:44,520 So he was already dead. 209 00:12:47,220 --> 00:12:48,220 Here's what I think. 210 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,880 I think you killed Todd. 211 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:58,640 Took his phone, scanned his face to unlock it, and then you sent that 212 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,640 his friends. 213 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,780 And this is why. 214 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,020 That picture Todd passed around school was fake, wasn't it? 215 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,700 And this is the original. 216 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:14,100 You sent him. 217 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,200 And I'm guessing he used one of those stupid apps to turn it into a nude, 218 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,200 is disgusting. 219 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:21,580 So what happened? 220 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:32,380 I had to go to this pool party with these popular girls, and I wasn't 221 00:13:32,380 --> 00:13:34,000 so good about myself, you know? 222 00:13:34,940 --> 00:13:39,980 So you took a selfie of your suit, and you sent it to your friend for 223 00:13:39,980 --> 00:13:42,360 reassurance. He was really nice about it. 224 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,980 He said that I looked great and that I had nothing to worry about. 225 00:13:46,540 --> 00:13:50,860 But then he turned on you. 226 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:52,600 Why? 227 00:13:54,280 --> 00:14:00,860 There was this group of guys, these popular boys, and they were 228 00:14:00,860 --> 00:14:07,380 teasing him about being a virgin, and he was just so desperate to fit in, 229 00:14:07,460 --> 00:14:10,340 so he told them that he hooked up with me. 230 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,600 sent them that photo of me nude. 231 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:16,260 Well, you had every right to be angry. 232 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:18,560 Because I hate him. 233 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:24,840 So I... I waited for him in the park. 234 00:14:25,220 --> 00:14:26,360 How'd you know where he'd be? 235 00:14:26,580 --> 00:14:29,800 Because we walk home from school together every day, and we always cut 236 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:36,800 the same way in the park. And I waited for him, and... when I 237 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,380 saw him, I... stabbed him. 238 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,040 She was so angry and hurting him was the only thing that made sense. 239 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,760 Thank you for being so honest. 240 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,320 Can I go now? 241 00:15:15,470 --> 00:15:18,330 The victim's blood is a match to the blood found on the weapon. 242 00:15:18,630 --> 00:15:23,290 Plus, we recovered Kathy's fingerprints on the weapon and on the phone she stole 243 00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:27,430 from the victim. In addition to a full confession, of course. The question now 244 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:28,770 is do we charge her as an adult? 245 00:15:29,210 --> 00:15:30,210 That is a tough call. 246 00:15:31,050 --> 00:15:34,310 Kathy Moore planned it. She laid in wait. 247 00:15:34,730 --> 00:15:40,610 She is also 15 years old. And the jury will hear what was done to her, which 248 00:15:40,610 --> 00:15:41,610 cruel. 249 00:15:42,090 --> 00:15:46,530 I hear that. I read Cassie's confession, though. This was a sophisticated and 250 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:47,650 premeditated crime. 251 00:15:48,030 --> 00:15:51,290 Just like that kid at Hunts Point committed a few weeks ago. We charged 252 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:52,290 an adult. 253 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:56,070 I don't really see much difference, except for the fact that he's Dominican. 254 00:15:56,590 --> 00:16:01,870 Yeah, he was the same age as Cassie, but that kid also had known gang ties five 255 00:16:01,870 --> 00:16:04,330 priors. We need to be consistent, Nolan. 256 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:07,830 And let's not forget the victim, Todd Feldman. 257 00:16:08,610 --> 00:16:11,430 When that fake photo started circulating, she never told the police. 258 00:16:12,010 --> 00:16:14,790 She didn't tell the authorities at her school. She never talked to her father. 259 00:16:15,510 --> 00:16:17,130 She just went straight to murder. 260 00:16:17,390 --> 00:16:19,670 Well, lots of victims don't report crimes like this. 261 00:16:20,330 --> 00:16:22,850 Cassie may have felt too humiliated to come forward. 262 00:16:23,130 --> 00:16:24,130 You're right. 263 00:16:24,790 --> 00:16:26,130 But I'm afraid that's irrelevant. 264 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:29,730 Cassie brutally and viciously killed this kid in cold blood. 265 00:16:31,570 --> 00:16:33,290 She needs to be tried as an adult. 266 00:16:44,979 --> 00:16:46,140 Grace. Hi. 267 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:47,520 Hi. Come in. 268 00:16:52,740 --> 00:16:53,740 Oh, hi. 269 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,120 Hi. You're charging Cassie more as an adult? 270 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:06,400 The defense are challenging it, which is standard. But, yes, we're going to try. 271 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,319 Also, you know I can't talk about this. 272 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:14,300 Although I am curious how you even know. 273 00:17:15,579 --> 00:17:16,740 Cassie is my patient. 274 00:17:18,980 --> 00:17:21,339 She has been since she lost her mother. 275 00:17:23,940 --> 00:17:28,099 And her defense attorney has asked me to testify on her behalf at the hearing. 276 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,860 Please don't do this. 277 00:17:33,700 --> 00:17:37,600 She's just a kid. She's a screwed up little girl. 278 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,060 Ms. Hall, are you suggesting all teenagers are mentally ill? 279 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,820 Yes, sort of. 280 00:17:54,380 --> 00:17:59,800 From the age of 12 to 17, the body is in a state of flux. 281 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:06,500 Teens are flooded with hormones that make them miserable, reactionary, but 282 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:11,740 prefrontal cortex isn't yet developed enough to override those emotions with 283 00:18:11,740 --> 00:18:14,200 reason. And, Cassie Moore? 284 00:18:15,790 --> 00:18:21,430 There are aspects of our work that Cassie has asked me to keep private, but 285 00:18:21,430 --> 00:18:27,630 can tell you that developmentally, Cassie is a very young 15. 286 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:33,670 COVID stole her mother. That led to severe anxiety. 287 00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:41,010 Cassie lacks impulse control and sound judgment, even by the standards of a 15 288 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:41,909 -year -old. 289 00:18:41,910 --> 00:18:44,970 She needs help, not prison. 290 00:18:47,050 --> 00:18:48,210 Nothing further, Your Honor. 291 00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:49,610 Mr. Price? 292 00:18:54,750 --> 00:18:57,010 Ms. Hall, here's the law. 293 00:18:58,250 --> 00:19:05,050 Age is not a shield from accountability when the mind demonstrates adult -level 294 00:19:05,050 --> 00:19:07,390 intent and understanding. 295 00:19:07,950 --> 00:19:11,130 So, uh, let's talk about that. 296 00:19:11,630 --> 00:19:15,430 Are you aware that Cassie Moore acknowledged to police that this was a 297 00:19:15,430 --> 00:19:20,910 premeditated act? No, I'm aware that Cassie discussed her actions with the 298 00:19:20,910 --> 00:19:23,710 police, but I'm not prepared to label it a premeditated act. 299 00:19:23,930 --> 00:19:28,330 Or that Cassie has confessed that she took pains to learn Todd's schedule that 300 00:19:28,330 --> 00:19:33,090 day so she'd know when he'd be in the park, that she scouted the park earlier 301 00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:35,110 choose a secluded area? 302 00:19:39,850 --> 00:19:41,930 No, I was not aware of that. 303 00:19:43,310 --> 00:19:48,050 She set out that day with lethal intent. She carried out this murder. She 304 00:19:48,050 --> 00:19:51,930 covered her tracks by disposing of the weapon and stealing the victim's cell 305 00:19:51,930 --> 00:19:58,870 phone. Ms. Hall, in your professional opinion, do 306 00:19:58,870 --> 00:20:04,330 those sound like the actions of a child, or does that sound like adult -level 307 00:20:04,330 --> 00:20:07,610 intent and understanding? 308 00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:23,530 I heard we won the hearing and that your friend was a witness. 309 00:20:24,870 --> 00:20:25,870 Not ideal. 310 00:20:27,010 --> 00:20:32,650 Uh, Nick, I think we should offer Cassie Moore a deal. 311 00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:39,530 The facts of this case say murder, the facts say adult crime, but I'm looking 312 00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:43,070 this defendant and I see a wounded 15 -year -old girl. 313 00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:48,190 Is this you talking or Grace? 314 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:56,680 Me. It is my job to win this thing. What I'm telling you is that if I see that 315 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,960 side of Cassie, how are 12 people on the jury going to respond? 316 00:20:59,180 --> 00:21:03,260 12 human beings, even with the facts on our side. 317 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:08,600 All right. 318 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:10,800 Moffert up. 319 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:12,740 Man won 12 years, nothing less. 320 00:21:15,580 --> 00:21:16,620 We are not... 321 00:21:17,620 --> 00:21:23,140 without sympathy for your client, the circumstances, the strain she was under 322 00:21:23,140 --> 00:21:25,920 when she carried out this attack, her age, of course. 323 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,200 So we're open to discussing a deal. 324 00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:33,340 If she pleads guilty to man one, what would come in 12 years? For six in 325 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,280 then when she's 21, she'll transfer to adult prison. 326 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,280 She's probably out when she's 22, 23. 327 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:41,160 She's going to have a life. 328 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:43,440 No. 329 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:44,700 We're not interested. 330 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:46,880 Aaron, this is... 331 00:21:47,110 --> 00:21:48,390 It's a good offer. 332 00:21:48,610 --> 00:21:52,070 My client and her father are committed to trying this case. 333 00:21:52,370 --> 00:21:57,270 They believe she did nothing wrong, so only eight years in prison is not an 334 00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:58,270 option. 335 00:21:59,570 --> 00:22:03,770 Okay, that's fine. But just know this is a one -time offer. 336 00:22:04,050 --> 00:22:06,290 And the evidence against your client is overwhelming. 337 00:22:06,670 --> 00:22:07,670 Well, not for long. 338 00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:10,250 Motion to suppress Patsy's confession. 339 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,740 True that Ms. Moore did not have an adult present when she confessed, but 340 00:22:17,740 --> 00:22:22,460 irrelevant here. To question a minor, law enforcement's only legally required 341 00:22:22,460 --> 00:22:26,300 notify an interested adult and confirm the minor understands their Miranda 342 00:22:26,300 --> 00:22:27,300 rights. 343 00:22:27,610 --> 00:22:30,530 Police did both of those things. Your Honor, Lieutenant Brady deliberately 344 00:22:30,530 --> 00:22:34,770 waited until Cassie's father left the room to question her. There is no 345 00:22:34,770 --> 00:22:38,510 of that. And even if it were true, it still would not violate the law, Your 346 00:22:38,510 --> 00:22:42,290 Honor. She knew if she could get Cassie alone, she could exploit her youth, her 347 00:22:42,290 --> 00:22:46,230 vulnerability. Lieutenant Brady wasn't actively questioning her at that moment. 348 00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:50,310 Lieutenant Brady had food brought in for the defendant. Then Cassie started 349 00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:52,530 talking. Your Honor, please. 350 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,940 It wasn't some stupid bag of potato chips that got Cassie talking. 351 00:22:56,140 --> 00:22:57,139 It was evidence. 352 00:22:57,140 --> 00:23:01,880 Lieutenant Brady is a decorated veteran officer who knew exactly how it would 353 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,620 unfold after she happened to show that photograph to this emotionally shattered 354 00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:11,640 15 -year -old girl. It was a cynical and intentional ploy. It worked. 355 00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:14,080 Doesn't mean the court has to stand for it. 356 00:23:15,180 --> 00:23:16,560 I agree. It's out. 357 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,879 Your Honor. 358 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,460 That's your cue to leave, Mr. Price. 359 00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:23,810 Okay, so the confession is out. 360 00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:25,770 Not that big of a surprise. 361 00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:30,210 No, but this is. Cassie's attorney is now alleging self -defense. 362 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:33,010 Makes sense. 363 00:23:33,690 --> 00:23:37,590 Once the judge kicked out the confession, this case becomes sheets 364 00:23:37,930 --> 00:23:38,970 And he is dead. 365 00:23:39,410 --> 00:23:42,690 So they invented this self -defense claim. 366 00:23:43,030 --> 00:23:44,810 Now we know why they rejected the plea. 367 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:47,760 Good news is the evidence is in our favor. 368 00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:52,280 Kathy clearly planned this attack. She stabbed the victim in the back, hid the 369 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:53,119 murder weapon. 370 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,960 Make that the focus of your case. The evidence, the facts. 371 00:23:56,500 --> 00:24:00,240 Despite her age and the unfortunate circumstances leading up to this crime, 372 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,660 those jurors need to realize this was a cold -blooded murder. 373 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:10,720 Lieutenant Brady. 374 00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:14,150 Could you read the highlighted portion of the medical examiner's report 375 00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:16,190 regarding the victim, Todd Feldman? 376 00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:20,750 Decedent sustained three sharp force injuries to the neck and upper back. 377 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:24,910 of death is massive hemorrhage from bilateral vertebral artery transections. 378 00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:26,850 Layman's term? 379 00:24:27,010 --> 00:24:31,070 Mr. Feldman was stabbed three times, and the blade severed the arteries that 380 00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:33,030 provide blood to the brain and spinal cord. 381 00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:35,810 How many homicides have you investigated in your career? 382 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:39,270 Uh, 145, give or take. 383 00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:43,870 In your experience, do those who are defending themselves stab people in the 384 00:24:43,870 --> 00:24:45,910 back? No, they do not. 385 00:24:46,790 --> 00:24:50,950 This bead detectives discovered at the crime scene near the body. When you 386 00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:54,630 explained to Ms. Moore that you had found her bead, what did she do? 387 00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:58,390 She claimed that she had lost hers two years prior. 388 00:24:59,090 --> 00:25:02,850 Obviously, that bead put her at the crime scene, so she lied. 389 00:25:03,370 --> 00:25:05,110 Objection. That's speculation. 390 00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:09,430 Sustained. When you first questioned Ms. Moore, did she tell you that Todd 391 00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:10,630 Feldman had threatened her? 392 00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:15,130 No. Did she tell you she was afraid for her life, that she acted in self 393 00:25:15,130 --> 00:25:16,109 -defense? 394 00:25:16,110 --> 00:25:17,530 No, she did not. 395 00:25:21,550 --> 00:25:26,010 Ms. Coleman, like Todd Feldman, you're a member of Northwood Academy Marching 396 00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:26,909 Band, correct? 397 00:25:26,910 --> 00:25:28,450 Right. We both play trumpet. 398 00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:32,410 So on the evening of September 4th, you had reason to stay after school with Mr. 399 00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:35,770 Feldman? We had a long practice after school to get ready for a competition. 400 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760 Did you receive messages from Ms. Moore while you were there? 401 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,900 Yes, on Snap. 402 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,100 She asked me to tell her what time practice was over, so I did. 403 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,660 Did she say anything else? 404 00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:49,020 No. 405 00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:53,000 She was just acting really weird. 406 00:25:53,860 --> 00:25:55,600 I'd seen her earlier in the day at school. 407 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,400 She was crying in a stairwell about the picture and stuff. 408 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,140 We're friends, so I just kind of asked her if she was okay. 409 00:26:04,300 --> 00:26:05,300 What'd she say? 410 00:26:13,380 --> 00:26:14,380 No. 411 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:15,900 But I will be. 412 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:17,360 Soon. 413 00:26:22,100 --> 00:26:23,640 Thought I could trust Todd. 414 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:26,780 I had for years. 415 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,600 I mean, we started at kindergarten at the same time. 416 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:37,240 And it was only a few years after that, once we realized how close we lived to 417 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,640 each other, that we started walking home from school, cutting through the park 418 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,640 every day. 419 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,940 And as the years went on, we kind of knew everything about each other. 420 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,760 And we taught each other how to ride bikes, all that stuff. 421 00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:57,520 He was a brother I never had, basically. 422 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,960 Your Honor, I would like to show the jury privately the image Mr. Feldman 423 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,400 manufactured using AI. 424 00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:06,740 Go ahead. 425 00:27:09,130 --> 00:27:12,470 What happened after this altered photo circulated at school? 426 00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:15,530 My life ended. 427 00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:18,850 Todd sent it to three kids. 428 00:27:19,330 --> 00:27:21,690 Someone put it on Snap, and it was everywhere. 429 00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:25,290 And our school can be so mean. 430 00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:31,230 People were laughing at me, calling me a slut. 431 00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:34,090 I mean, I've never even kissed anyone before. 432 00:27:35,310 --> 00:27:37,370 Why did you go to the park that night, Cassie? 433 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,520 I texted Todd three or four times to try to get him to tell everyone that the 434 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,480 photo was fake, but he left me on read. 435 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:54,660 I just thought that if I could see him in person, if I could just 436 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:59,060 have a heart -to -heart without anyone else around, if he could just see what I 437 00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:03,480 was going through, everything just felt so out of control. 438 00:28:04,900 --> 00:28:06,240 What did he say that night? 439 00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:09,450 He said he couldn't. 440 00:28:10,810 --> 00:28:14,230 He said he didn't want his friends to know the truth. 441 00:28:15,090 --> 00:28:17,410 So I told him that I would tell the cops. 442 00:28:18,170 --> 00:28:25,010 And the next thing I knew, his hand was around my neck, 443 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:27,490 squeezing hard. 444 00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:34,090 And I told him to stop, but he wouldn't. And I just panicked, but I didn't mean 445 00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:36,070 to kill him. I'm so sorry. 446 00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:42,730 If you were defending yourself, why did you stab Todd in the back? 447 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:48,290 When I went to stab him, he turned his back on me. 448 00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:50,070 And why did you have a knife with you? 449 00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:51,510 For protection. 450 00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:57,230 My dad got it for me. I carried it all the time. I walked through the park by 451 00:28:57,230 --> 00:29:00,670 myself a lot. You carried it for self -defense. 452 00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:07,930 And then you used it in self -defense because you were reasonably afraid for 453 00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:08,769 your life. 454 00:29:08,770 --> 00:29:09,770 Yeah. 455 00:29:09,870 --> 00:29:13,950 I mean, Todd was twice my size and he said he was going to kill me. 456 00:29:16,750 --> 00:29:21,190 Nothing further. 457 00:29:24,290 --> 00:29:30,830 When you were afraid for your life, did you run and scream? 458 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:39,180 No. Well, then, and after you plunged a knife into Todd 459 00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:44,460 Feldman's back three different times, did you call 911, the police? 460 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,320 No. 461 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,040 Why not? 462 00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:55,280 Because I knew how it would look. 463 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,400 Yes. 464 00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,480 Real bad. 465 00:30:01,450 --> 00:30:05,870 If you were truly acting in self -defense, why go through the trouble of 466 00:30:05,870 --> 00:30:07,410 stealing Todd's phone? 467 00:30:09,170 --> 00:30:15,690 Why go through the trouble of posing as Todd, texting his friend four minutes 468 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:18,990 after Todd was dead, and telling him to delete the doctored photo? 469 00:30:23,010 --> 00:30:25,390 You have no idea. 470 00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:32,010 What it is like to have a photo of yourself passed around like this. 471 00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:37,270 Everyone laughing at you, enjoying your humiliation. 472 00:30:46,270 --> 00:30:47,530 Nothing further, Your Honor. 473 00:30:50,070 --> 00:30:52,770 Courts adjourned until 8 .30 a .m. 474 00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:55,550 We are losing the jury. 475 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,100 So the self -defense claim is working? 476 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,280 They're attacking the victim, turning him into something he wasn't. 477 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,480 A bullet. 478 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:13,020 And Kathy is a compelling witness. 479 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,880 A very good liar, of course. 480 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:17,600 Are you saying the jury's on her side? 481 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,480 It looks that way. 482 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,220 I mean, we're asking the jury to go to bat for a boy who violated one of his 483 00:31:25,220 --> 00:31:28,480 oldest friends to curry favor with a bunch of girl -hating idiots. 484 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,420 Isn't I told you so in there somewhere? 485 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,300 I'm just trying to get the result you want. 486 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,400 She murdered this kid Feldman. 487 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:37,900 Stabbed him repeatedly. 488 00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:41,680 Yes, he did something stupid, something cowardly. 489 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,880 But he was just a kid too. 490 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,700 Yeah, it's a complicated case. 491 00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:47,900 We offered man one. They said no. 492 00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:49,720 I get it. I do. 493 00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:54,460 I'm just trying to do my job. And right now we need evidence to rebut the self 494 00:31:54,460 --> 00:31:56,200 -defense claim or she's going to walk. 495 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,120 So get to work. 496 00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:08,050 This is hopeless. 497 00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:10,670 I don't know how we're going to get this jury back. 498 00:32:12,170 --> 00:32:13,530 Oh, you little face. 499 00:32:15,730 --> 00:32:19,190 I asked Sarah to do another deep dive on Cassie's devices. 500 00:32:19,670 --> 00:32:21,430 Turns out she has a Finsta account. 501 00:32:22,410 --> 00:32:27,270 A Finsta? Yeah, it's like a hidden alternate Instagram account designed to 502 00:32:27,270 --> 00:32:28,270 under the radar. 503 00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:30,130 Cassie used a fake name. 504 00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:31,870 Lizzie Bennett. 505 00:32:32,010 --> 00:32:33,370 Like Pride and Prejudice? 506 00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:35,610 That could taste. I'll give her that. 507 00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:37,940 That explains why a text couldn't find the account. 508 00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:43,080 Yeah. Looks like she used it to sense the end. 509 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,540 You won't believe who she sent them to. 510 00:33:01,060 --> 00:33:03,620 You and I, we were together that day. 511 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,680 The day of the murder, you were telling me about the kid who couldn't go to 512 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,460 Cornell because he was terrified of telephones. 513 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,880 And Kathy, she was the kid who was calling you and texting you all the 514 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:22,740 Nolan, slow down. Kathy called and texted you repeatedly minutes before the 515 00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:24,180 murder. Is that right? 516 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,360 Yes, she was venting. Venting about what? About the fake photo? 517 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,960 Todd? Yeah, she was very upset, and she was traumatized. So what did she say? 518 00:33:35,020 --> 00:33:36,500 What were her exact words? 519 00:33:37,620 --> 00:33:39,320 You know, I can't tell you that. 520 00:33:40,860 --> 00:33:47,080 Grace, she was en route to murder someone, and she called you and texted 521 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,160 the way. Hell, she might have already been waiting for him in the park. Nolan, 522 00:33:50,220 --> 00:33:56,760 please, please, I really need you to understand how much I care about Cassie. 523 00:33:58,220 --> 00:33:59,220 How is that? 524 00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:07,380 When her mother died, I... When she got her period for the first time, I 525 00:34:07,380 --> 00:34:12,639 was the one who went to the drugstore. I taught her how to shave her legs over 526 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:17,620 FaceTime. I... I was supposed to protect her. 527 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,520 She told you she was going to kill him, didn't she? 528 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,719 I never thought... Why didn't you tell me? She's been there. 529 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,280 I don't want to send her to prison. 530 00:34:38,139 --> 00:34:44,219 If you have information that Kathy set out with the intent to kill Todd 531 00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:48,440 you have to testify. No, I can't. I'm afraid that's not up to you. 532 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,800 Or me, for that matter. 533 00:34:57,420 --> 00:35:02,600 Ms. Hall, could you please explain to the jury what it means to be a hostile 534 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,600 witness? 535 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:06,460 It means I don't want to be here. 536 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,280 Why? Are you here? 537 00:35:08,540 --> 00:35:14,360 You told me if I didn't comply with your subpoena that a warrant could be issued 538 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:15,360 for my arrest. 539 00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:18,840 How long have you served as Cassie Moore's psychiatrist? 540 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:25,100 I started seeing Cassie shortly after the death of her mother in 2020. 541 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,600 Kathy, ever send you messages through Instagram? 542 00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:36,900 Yes. She would message me on occasion. I discouraged it. 543 00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:42,920 Boundaries are an important part of any relationship between a mental health 544 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,520 professional and a patient, so I preferred to talk in regular session, 545 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,080 sometimes she needed more. 546 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,760 Did the defendant send you a series of messages through Instagram on the 547 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,480 of September 4th, the evening Todd Feldman was killed? 548 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,760 Yes. Do you still have those messages? 549 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,680 No, they were automatically deleted after 24 hours. 550 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,220 Can you recall what Kathy said? 551 00:36:16,460 --> 00:36:20,710 Objection! Communication between my client and Dr. Hall is protected by 552 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:24,630 therapist -patient confidentiality. Your Honor, we've been through this. Duty to 553 00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:27,990 warn is the exception to therapist -patient privilege. 554 00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:29,710 Overruled. 555 00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:32,970 Dr. Hall, please answer the question. 556 00:36:38,130 --> 00:36:44,010 She said... She said... 557 00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:47,190 I'm going to make him pay. 558 00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:49,950 I'm going to kill him. 559 00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:53,370 Did you reply? 560 00:36:54,950 --> 00:37:00,010 Yes. I told her that she had every right to be angry. 561 00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:08,990 Take some deep breath and we would talk it out tomorrow. 562 00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:14,230 Tomorrow was too late. 563 00:37:17,940 --> 00:37:18,940 Yes, it was. 564 00:37:25,500 --> 00:37:32,240 Ms. Hall, why didn't you do more? 565 00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:35,460 Contact the authorities. 566 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000 You have no idea. 567 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,900 I'm sorry. Could you please speak up? 568 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:54,540 You have no idea how much kids suffer today. 569 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,420 Anxiety, body issues, stress, social media. Every day, kids come to me with 570 00:38:02,420 --> 00:38:03,420 death on their mind. 571 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:10,660 Suicidal ideation, homicidal ideation. I have to make a judgment call every 572 00:38:10,660 --> 00:38:15,800 time. If I didn't, if I wasn't discerning, then I might as well just 573 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,520 practice right into the NYPD. 574 00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:25,930 Instead, I try to offer a safe space, a 575 00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:28,410 haven. 576 00:38:31,370 --> 00:38:33,330 And I got this one wrong. 577 00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:38,490 And two lives were ruined as a result. 578 00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:43,690 Todd Feldman's and Tassie Moore's. 579 00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:50,490 I'll never forgive myself. 580 00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:06,750 Has the jury reached a verdict? 581 00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:09,030 We have. 582 00:39:11,250 --> 00:39:17,190 In the charge of murder in the second degree, we find the defendant, Kathy 583 00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:18,190 Moore. 584 00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:22,170 Guilty. 585 00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:25,150 Oh, God, Kathy. 586 00:39:26,290 --> 00:39:29,350 Members of the jury, thank you for your service. 587 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:50,710 No rush, but... 588 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,320 Do you want to order some dinner? 589 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,320 Uh, Ellen? 590 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,960 I'll give it another minute. 591 00:39:58,260 --> 00:39:59,640 OK. Just let me know. 592 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,400 Hey, 593 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,240 it's me. 594 00:40:20,650 --> 00:40:21,650 I'm at the restaurant. 595 00:40:22,750 --> 00:40:25,490 If you're not up for dinner, I totally get it. 596 00:40:25,690 --> 00:40:28,570 But let me know. I just want to make sure. 597 00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:43,870 Hi. 598 00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:46,190 Sorry I'm late. 46185

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