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Moscow,
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Idaho. You have these four friends in
the prime of their lives, they're
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the college experience, and it all
changes.
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That sense of security that they had.
We're all a bit shocked. I'm totally
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freaking out right now. Was shattered.
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Is she breathing?
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No. I have already sent the ambulance
and law enforcement straight on the
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The whole house is a crime scene.
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Last night, Federal Bureau of
Investigation, the arrested 28 -year
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Christopher Kohlberger.
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This is one of the most talked -about
true crime cases in modern American
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history. He may have been a little odd
or a little off, but, like, other than
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that, you'd never expect someone to do
something like this.
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You hadn't attacked them in their sleep,
in the middle of the night, like a
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pedophile. Evil walked into that house.
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stole their lives, Kaylee would have
kicked your fucking ass.
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This call out of Moscow, Idaho, on what
should have been just regular, calm fall
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morning, would mark the beginning of an
incredibly dark chapter that would
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captivate the entire nation.
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November 13th, 2022, roommates DM and
BF, they wake up after spending the
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in BF's room on the first floor of the
house on King Road.
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Are you with the patient? Okay, I need
someone to keep the phone. Stop passing
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it around.
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What is going on currently? Is someone
passed out right now?
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I don't really know, but pretty much at
4 a .m.
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Okay, I need to know what's going on
right now if someone is passed out. Can
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find that out?
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Come on, let me go check.
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She's not waking up.
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Get out, get out, get out.
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Sorry, they just gave me the phone.
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Is she breathing? No.
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They had been texting their other
roommates. They had texted Maddie,
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Ethan, Kaylee, trying to get a hold of
them. And when they couldn't, they were
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really, really freaked out.
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Tell me exactly what's going on.
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One of our, one of the roommates has
passed out and she was drunk last night
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she's not waking up.
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Oh, and they saw some man in their house
last night.
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They reached out to a friend of theirs
who lived across the street and DM said,
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Something really strange happened in the
house last night.
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Can you and Hunter, her boyfriend, come
over and check the house?
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Hunter walked upstairs, and he told
everybody to get out of the house.
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The police walked into really what can
only be described as a nightmare
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scenario. They walked into a crime scene
with four grisly, murdered bodies, a
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scene that none of them were expecting,
and more importantly, none of them were
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prepared for.
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The idea that we had a quadruple
homicide, my brain just didn't
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initially. I don't think anybody can
prepare for that.
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For the first time ever, we are seeing
images from inside the house, and it is
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exposing details of this story that we
never knew before.
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Okay,
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stay back.
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Stay back there, please.
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What the fuck?
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Let's slow down.
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Come here.
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There's two.
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Let's take a picture of these.
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Russell, please comment.
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It's okay.
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It's all right.
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Please comment.
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There didn't appear to be any forced
entry. When they entered the house, they
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went up to the second floor, and that's
where they found Zanna Kernodle lying
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there in her underwear and a sweatshirt.
In a nearby bed was Zanna's boyfriend,
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Ethan Chapin.
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Zanna Kernodle had over 50 stab wounds
on her body.
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When the officers went to the third
floor, they went into the second bedroom
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where they found Madison Mogan laying
next to Kaylee Gonsalves.
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Kaylee's face was almost unrecognizable
because of all the stab wounds.
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There is this disturbing new video that
captures the moment in the early morning
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hours. Around 3 .51 a .m., someone is
seen walking down the street. A white
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sedan loops past the home repeatedly.
And finally, you have these haunting
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sounds that break the silence.
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As word of this tragedy is spreading
everywhere and everybody's talking about
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it, naturally, there are questions that
begin swirling.
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We know you have questions, and so do
we.
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The Moscow Police Department, they're
not answering a lot of questions from
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press. They don't have a press
conference about this case until
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You know, that's three days after the
murders.
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So a lot of people are asking questions
and wondering, are we safe? What's going
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on?
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We have learned that Ethan and Zanna
were at a party on campus and Madison
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Kaylee were at a downtown bar.
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They arrived home sometime after 1 .45.
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We know that these homicides occurred in
the early morning hours of Sunday,
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November 13th.
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The four were stabbed with a knife, but
no weapon has been located at this time.
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They weren't alerting the public to what
they'd learned yet because they didn't
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want to compromise the investigation.
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Based on details of the scene, we
believe this was an isolated, targeted
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on our victims.
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We do not have a suspect at this time,
and that individual is still out there.
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We cannot say that there is no threat to
the community.
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Please stay vigilant and be aware of
your surroundings at all times.
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Try to imagine where this took place in
a tiny town in Idaho.
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This is something that is so horrific,
not only is the community immediately
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tensed up, up in arms, wants answers,
wants a result, but this is such a
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specifically horrific incident that now
you have the eyes of the nation also
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looking into this small town. What are
they going to do? How are you going to
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solve this? And how are you going to
protect the community that is so scared
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the moment?
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The police are doing everything they can
to find out who this is, why this
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happened, and most importantly, is this
person going to strike again?
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For a lot of people following this case,
social media became the fastest, most
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direct way to get information.
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According to victim's family, University
of Idaho killer was sloppy, left
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mess of evidence.
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Guys, have you heard of this quadruple
murder out of University of Idaho? These
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four young people were stabbed to death
in the middle of the night while they
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were sleeping.
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It's Moscow, Idaho. It's such a safe
area.
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Not a lot of people care about security.
A lot of the times I, especially before
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this incident, I would leave my door
unlocked.
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I think our community was really
shocked. I mean, this area is known for
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extremely safe because something like
this is honestly unheard of.
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People were scared because they didn't
know if the person they ran into on the
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street was the killer.
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The university basically said to
students, if you need to go home, you
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finish the semester online.
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It's very unfortunate, of course, what
happened. I mean, we're all a bit
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shocked. We all felt a little bit
uneasy.
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Before, people were very rowdy, sort of
outgoing.
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Then they just started to keep to
themselves a little bit more.
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The autopsies were done quickly in this
case because of the sense of urgency.
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The police knew that the more
information they had and the quicker
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information, the better they could
implement it. All the wounds on the body
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confirmed what the evidence already
showed, that these murders were done
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quickly, within 16 minutes of each
other. That means the intruder acted
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ruthless efficiency and did so with a
fixed blade knife, which is really more
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a hunting knife. And that told police
that this was a target attack, not a
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random act of violence.
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The Moscow Police Department, they've
got a whodunit on their hands and they
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know it. In any homicide investigation,
you have to move really quickly.
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And so the chief of police brings in the
Idaho State Police for assistance. He
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brings in the FBI and they set up a tip
line and hundreds, if not thousands and
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thousands of tips start to pour in.
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You have these names that are etched
into the small town community.
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Kaylee, Madison, Zanna, and Ethan.
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There was this broken community that was
pausing to remember.
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They were coming together to heal
together.
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Anyone who knew Kaylee would tell you
the same thing.
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To know her was to love her.
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And I promised.
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I promised to live just like you did.
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Kaylee Gonsalves was 21.
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She was set to graduate.
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She was getting ready to move to Texas
for a job after graduation.
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I'm at Carly D 'Amelio Check!
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Kaylee had a really big personality.
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People loved her.
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And she was actually graduating early.
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And sadly, she had pretty much moved out
of the King Road house.
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She and Maddie were best friends from
the time they were younger kids.
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Maddie was 21 and just absolutely
stunning and beautiful.
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The outpouring online was enormous.
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You had friends, strangers posting
tributes to all these kids. People who
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never even met them were making videos
honoring their lives.
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There are four very, very important
names in this case.
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And that reaction just really showed how
deeply this tragedy resonated
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everywhere.
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Going through the rest of my life
without you is going to be a tough one.
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But I'm not only living for myself now,
but for the rest of the life that Maddie
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wasn't able to live.
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She had such an infectious smile and a
charismatic personality.
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And if you knew anything about Xana as
well, they were very similar in how they
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acted together.
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I love you so much, E, and Xan.
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Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were in a
relationship.
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He was in a fraternity, and in fact,
they both enjoyed Greek life on campus.
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Ethan was the oldest of his siblings. He
was a triplet. He was somebody who was
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always cracking jokes to his friends.
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Xana was described as more of a free
spirit.
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Xana was such an amazing, ambitious
young girl.
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She was someone.
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She was someone my family thought of
their own.
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She was my other half.
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My heart aches knowing I can't see her
again in this lifetime.
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We'll find justice for you, Ethan,
Maddie, and Kaylee. We love you all so
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They just tried to trace back their
movements throughout the day.
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On November 12th, you had the photograph
on the porch of all of them together.
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It was game day. It was the big
homecoming game. And the University of
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the Vandals, were playing UC Davis.
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Ethan and Zanna were at the Sigma Chi
house for the party. They knew that
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and Maddie had been at the Corner Club
before they came home.
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Hello. Hi. Welcome back.
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Everybody had been drinking. All of the
roommates were home in the house on King
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Road by 2 a .m.
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Everybody's a suspect until they're not.
But they don't have somebody who
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they're looking at who's, you know,
suspect number one. So they're trying to
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rule people out.
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Is it someone that maybe someone in the
house had dated in the past?
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Is it someone that they'd gotten into a
fight with at a party, perhaps?
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Is it someone that there had been some
sort of brewing personal beef growing
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between them? Or is it something
completely random?
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Detectives are looking at this from all
different angles, and they're obviously
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looking and speaking to the people that
knew these four friends best.
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But it was the account of one surviving
roommate that was different. It was that
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account that provided... Just incredibly
chilling details.
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All I heard was, I heard her go
upstairs. I'm like, okay, I'm going to
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sleep now because she's going upstairs.
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And you heard who go upstairs?
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Kaylee and the dog Murphy.
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And upstairs to the very top?
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Yeah, that's where her room is.
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Okay.
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And then ultimately her walking up, I
heard her scream and she ran upstairs
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she saw someone.
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That's what I'm pretty sure she's got.
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Someone's here and she screamed and just
ran downstairs.
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And I called her name, but I jumped up
and locked my door because I was so
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scared.
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And I heard from in the bathroom, and I
heard her crying, and I heard some guys
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say that you're going to be okay, I'm
going to help you.
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And I kept calling her name, but she
wasn't answering.
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And then I opened the door for a second,
and I saw this guy, and he was not
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insanely tall, but he was wearing all
black and, like, this mask, which was
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covering his forehead and his mouth.
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And then I locked the door, and I
called.
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The cops kept it really close to the
vest that DM had seen a man walking
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the house around 4 a .m. And then she
opened her door and saw what she thought
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was a firefighter a man in all black
with bushy eyebrows and a mask
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keep in mind this was four in the
morning and she was asleep she didn't
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when she started hearing these noises if
she was dreaming or if she was awake
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now looking back think about the terror
that she must feel knowing that she was
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that close to the intruder that killed
her three roommates and a friend i can't
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imagine having to live with that for the
rest of your life
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The whole house is a crime scene, but
Zanna's room and Maddie's room are
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two primary places where these homicides
were committed. As soon as they get
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into Maddie's room...
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They see a K -Bar knife sheath.
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Corporal Payne, when he did his first
initial walkthrough of the residence,
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the sheath and recognized it immediately
as something that we needed to take a
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look at and start processing.
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They don't have possession of the knife.
I've actually got the same type of
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knife, and I'll show you the knife
itself.
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It's K -Bar.
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It is a combat knife that's been used by
our troops since World War II, famously
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by the United States Marine Corps.
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You can imagine someone over these
victims, and then dramatically they drop
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sheath down. They're still holding the
knife, and then they go into attack.
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And it's such a frenzied event. They
bolt out of the room.
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They leave the sheath behind.
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It was discovered in the bed next to
Maddie, and no one could remember Maddie
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Kaylee or anyone else in the house
having this type of hunting knife.
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There is this brand new theory that is
emerging from law enforcement, and it's
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that the killer may have actually
followed Zanna downstairs when she
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the attack on Madison, and that, that
may have been the moment when the knife
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sheath was left behind.
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When the Idaho State Police came in,
they processed the scene, that sheath.
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was immediately turned over, literally
driven straight down to the Idaho State
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Police Forensics Lab in Meridian and
handed directly to the specialists down
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there to begin work on it immediately.
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But there's a complication with the
evidence that's found at this particular
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house. Who lives here?
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We're not actually... You don't know who
lives here? No, I don't. We're just
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here for a noise complaint.
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Oh, okay.
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The police in Moscow, they're familiar
with 1122 King Road.
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It's a party house.
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And there had been noise complaints, and
so police had been to the house.
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You have a wide, diverse pool of people
that can be coming and going through
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there. And, of course, they're
depositing everything that they bring
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outside with them.
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You know, you begin to think about hair,
fiber, footprints, anything like that
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that can be deposited in that
environment and may have been deposited
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weeks prior to this actual slaughter.
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Hi, this is the Moscow Police
Department.
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Who am I speaking with?
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Maddie, we received a noise complaint.
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You have a house full of random people.
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You need to let them know that the noise
needs to come down, okay?
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Okay, very clear. Thank you.
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There was a lot of speculation online
that possibly these homicides were tied
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these noise complaints.
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Did the person who called in the noise
complaint do it to look at how fast the
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police would respond?
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But there were really never any credible
leads or theories.
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Hello, miss.
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What's your name? Zanna.
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Zanna, do you live here?
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Yeah. This is the second noise complaint
we've had here tonight within two
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hours. I sincerely apologize, Bob. Okay.
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I'm just going to bed.
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As the days and weeks passed, it really
felt like, at least publicly, that they
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didn't really have much, that the police
were just kind of waiting for something
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to happen.
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And then finally, a new breakthrough.
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We have literally an army of analysts
who have been sorting through videos
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have been submitted.
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There's been a lot of questions about
the white car that we've been interested
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in. We're looking for that car because
we believe that that car was in the area
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during the time of the murders, and we
also believe that the occupant or
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occupants may have seen something.
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Forensics teams were at the house all
day today, and they were seen taking
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pictures.
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of what look like tire marks outside of
the house so far we have a a list of
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approximately 22 000 registered white
hyundai elantris that fit into our
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criteria that we're sorting through
that's an awful lot of information there
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isn't a crystal clear image of the car
on all of the different pieces of
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surveillance video but they're able to
determine that this is a white Hyundai
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Elantra. And so that generated a whole
new round of tips. People calling in
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information from around the country
about white Hyundai Elantras.
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So attention now turns back to the
nightsheet and they test the button snap
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DNA. They're hoping that's going to
provide them the answers that they're
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looking for.
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They got a full DNA profile from the
snap.
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And because of that, they were able to
run it through the system to see if it
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matched with anyone had been convicted
of any sort of crime, any felony, or had
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been through any other national
database.
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And it came up empty.
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Detectives are following all these clues
across state lines, and that is when
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they narrow down.
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They go to Othram Labs and they say,
hey, can you build out a family tree?
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you do your genetic genealogy work to
figure out who this person could be?
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Othram Labs could only take it so far,
so they then turned it over to the FBI.
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The turning point came on December 19th
when the FBI came back to the Moscow
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Police Department and they said, hey,
that DNA you gave us from the knife
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sheath, we found a name. You need to
look at this guy. His name is Brian
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Koberger.
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They get with the trash company and pull
Brian Koberger's parents' trash.
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They fly the trash.
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back to Idaho, and they pull out a Q
-tip. They test that DNA against
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the DNA from the knife sheath, and they
find out that it's nearly 100 % certain
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that the person whose DNA is on the
knife sheath is the son of Michael
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Brian's father.
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To get that name was just fantastic.
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We were digging our teeth into
everything, but we really dug into that
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immediately, and that's when all of the
puzzle pieces started coming together.
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Now, the public didn't know this was
going on, but at that time, this whole
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story was entering a new phase. There
was going to be this tense countdown to
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arrest. The problem is, there was no
apparent connection between Brian
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and these students, so the natural
question is, could he really be their
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I'm totally freaking out right now. It's
not always the creepy guy with glasses
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and oily hair and creeping around the
corner. It's sometimes just that average
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Joe, much like Brian Koberger.
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Brian Koberger.
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Brian Koberger. Brian Koberger. Brian
Christopher Koberger.
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Brian Koberger was a PhD student in
criminology. He had moved to Pullman,
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Washington in late June of 2022.
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Pullman, Washington is less than 10
miles away from Moscow, Idaho.
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It's about a 15 -minute drive away, and
he was pursuing his dream.
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He wanted to study the criminal mind.
This was somebody who overcame a lot in
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his past. When he was a teenager,
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He was addicted to heroin.
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He was obese at one point.
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He was a tortured kind of soul. He was
bullied in school.
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And his father actually did so much to
try to help him. He was able to get
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clean. He then started going to
community college and studying
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criminal justice.
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He later on got a master's degree in
criminology.
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He was somebody who was also a loner. He
didn't have a lot of friends.
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And he had a hard time connecting and
relating to women.
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I can't believe that WSU did not fire
him.
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before December with all of the
complaints about this guy.
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Koeberger would sometimes go into an
office where several female grad
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worked and physically block the door.
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A PhD student told police that he
enjoyed conflict and was disparaging
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women and that he liked to talk about
sexual burglary, which was his field of
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study. Referring to the murders,
Koberger had stated whoever had
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homicides must have been pretty good.
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You know, for many people following this
case, the shot wasn't just who he was.
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It was his age. He was close in age to
the victims. He was a student and his
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life looked eerily familiar.
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At that time, I would have never said,
oh, yeah, that guy would would do
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something like this.
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He may have been a little odd or a
little off.
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But like other than that.
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You'd never expect someone to be
allegedly part of a quadruple homicide
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These chameleons, as I like to call
them, you don't know who's capable of
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until it happens.
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When the police were first looking at
Brian Koberger and really investigating
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the connection between him and the
murders and owning a Hyundai Elantra,
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have to rule out all non -malicious
reasons first. Is this someone who
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could have been involved in the crime?
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Or is it just a coincidence that he
happens to own this car and was at a
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nearby that night?
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Moscow police get a search warrant and
they get Brian Koberger's cell phone
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records. And they find that for most of
the evening, that Saturday night before
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the homicides, that he's hanging out at
his apartment in Pullman.
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And then before 3 a .m., he's on the
move.
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At 2 .54, his phone goes dark.
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It's not until 4 .48 a .m.
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That that phone reconnects to a network,
and it's south of Moscow.
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Investigators say that that two -hour
time period where Brian Koberger's phone
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is not reporting to the cell network and
his phone is basically dark, they say
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it's critical because it coincides with
the time that the murders occurred.
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The police knew that he was out that
night, and they knew he was in the
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vicinity. So they started looking at
what towers he had pinged leading up to
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this night. And that's when they
discovered that at least 12 times he had
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in the vicinity of that house.
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All of these weeks of quiet
investigation have now led to one name.
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December 2022, they are finally ready to
move in.
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Writing news this morning, News Nation
can confirm.
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An arrest has reportedly been made in
the quadruple stabbing death of four
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college students in Moscow, Idaho.
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Last night, in conjunction with the
Pennsylvania State Police, Federal
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Investigation, detectives arrested 28
-year -old Brian Christopher Koberger
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in Albrightville, Pennsylvania.
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50 officers surrounded Brian Koberger's
parents' house. When they got there,
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they found him already going through
track, sorting it out, trying to remove
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whatever he contributed there.
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After they arrested him without
incident, they took him to a local
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learned that after Brian Koberger's
arrest, he was interviewed by law
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enforcement, and they spent a lot of
time going through his background, and
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appeared forthright. But as soon as they
brought up this incident, he shut the
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interview down.
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At several different moments in the
conversation, the suspect would stop and
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something about, well, let's really talk
about why we're here.
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It was the third time that he brought
that up. He was more stern and wanted to
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know why they were there, and of course
they explained, and that's when he
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invoked his right to counsel and ended
the interview.
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So Brian Kohlberger is then extradited
back to Idaho to face charges.
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A criminal complaint was filed yesterday
here in Latah County.
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Charging the defendant, Mr. Kohlberger,
with four counts of first -degree murder
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in addition to felony burglary.
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I'm totally freaking out right now. Man
arrested in Monroe County, PA in
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connection to the Idaho murders.
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An arrest has been made in the murders
of those four University of Idaho
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students. His mugshot and name has
officially been released. This is Brian
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Kohlberger. I went to college with Brian
Kohlberger.
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I've been looking at his picture all
day.
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I've been saying the name all day in my
head, and I was like, I know this guy. I
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couldn't put a point on it.
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And he lost so much weight. When I knew
him, he was a pudgy guy. He was really
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friendly. He was a pretty smart guy, and
he was interested in criminal justice,
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and I remember having classes with him.
For this guy to do that is beyond me.
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And now we have all this fresh new
insight that's revealing the moments
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lead up to this arrest.
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Once they realized that Koberger had
gone to Pennsylvania, they started
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following him so they could really get a
sense of who he was and what was the
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purpose of his actions.
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So for the next four days, they trailed
him. And during that time period, they
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watched him meticulously clean his
Hyundai Elantra.
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He was seen wearing gloves, doing things
like going out to the grocery store
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with gloves on. He was seen walking
around the neighborhood at very, very
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morning hours, the pitch black.
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Some different behaviors for sure.
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During a formal search of Koberger's
vehicle and his parents' home,
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investigators collect several knives, a
handgun with empty magazines, more
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gloves, black face coverings, laptops.
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It's just this laundry list of
potentially significant items.
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The hope is that they're going to be
able to find evidence that connects
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Koberger to the murders.
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But one of the things that they don't
find is the murder weapon itself, the
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hunting knife.
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They also don't find any blood.
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They don't find any forensic evidence at
this point that links Brian Koberger to
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the murders.
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It wasn't until the probable cause
affidavit came out that we found out
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profile taken from the snap of the
sheath matched Brian Koberger.
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We learned about the investigation and
the cell site information they gathered,
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as well as video surveillance.
455
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:51,790
And it showed that not only was the
white Elantra in the vicinity of the
456
00:30:51,790 --> 00:30:55,890
the night of the murders, but it was in
the vicinity of the house prior to the
457
00:30:55,890 --> 00:30:56,890
night of the murders as well.
458
00:30:57,180 --> 00:31:01,460
And that white Elantra, or something
very similar, returned to the area after
459
00:31:01,460 --> 00:31:02,460
the murders.
460
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,980
Previously confidential information
about Brian Koberger's cell phone tells
461
00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:11,060
so much more, so much more than just his
movements on the night of the murders.
462
00:31:11,820 --> 00:31:14,420
It's really long, so I'm going to give
you the important details.
463
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,700
Brian's cell phone pinged around the
house 12 times prior to the murders, as
464
00:31:18,700 --> 00:31:22,400
well as five hours after the murders
around 9 .30 a .m.
465
00:31:22,650 --> 00:31:25,910
The case is so incredibly sad. Like,
look how young they are. Brian has not
466
00:31:25,910 --> 00:31:29,570
spoken about motive or anything. He's
actually maintaining his innocence.
467
00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:33,810
They had found on his devices that he
was routinely wiping them and utilizing
468
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:39,950
systems to do that. And so the amount of
information on him was not a lot. I do
469
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:45,770
know that they did locate a few news
stories on the case, but all in all,
470
00:31:45,770 --> 00:31:50,710
of his devices were relatively clean,
for lack of a better term.
471
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:58,240
He had huge gaps in usage from October
12th through November 16th on his
472
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:03,080
computer. The computer would show that
browser was in use, but then there's no
473
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:06,800
history, that the system was in use, but
then there's no activity.
474
00:32:07,100 --> 00:32:09,620
So we know that he was cleaning up his
track.
475
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:15,260
But where he really made mistakes, he
forgot to clear his downloads on his
476
00:32:15,260 --> 00:32:17,920
phone, which was very helpful to us.
477
00:32:19,150 --> 00:32:24,090
I saw American Psycho and how much the
guy loved himself and would take selfies
478
00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:27,450
in the mirror and how clean he would
want to be.
479
00:32:27,810 --> 00:32:30,010
He seemed to do those same types of
things.
480
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:36,830
Lots of, like, flexing muscles, selfies,
half -closed. There's numerous
481
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:39,290
instances of that on his phone.
482
00:32:39,630 --> 00:32:44,450
There's tons of history of him looking
into, like, the Idaho murders on Reddit.
483
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:47,630
This wasn't just someone who was like,
hey, I'm interested in the case.
484
00:32:48,430 --> 00:32:53,870
He was going and downloading the Moscow
press releases to his wife, saving
485
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:55,510
everything that they populated.
486
00:32:56,050 --> 00:32:59,630
There was a lot of mixed emotions with
that one, you know, because to me, he
487
00:32:59,630 --> 00:33:00,630
a nice guy.
488
00:33:00,750 --> 00:33:05,610
I didn't feel, like, scared. I don't
know. I just was in disbelief.
489
00:33:05,910 --> 00:33:10,490
Couldn't really sleep. You just kind of
replay your whole relationship and,
490
00:33:10,550 --> 00:33:14,750
like, combing through all our
conversations and see if I can, like,
491
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:18,090
if I could have seen anything. There was
nothing really that...
492
00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:20,290
To pick at it, like, there's nothing
alarming.
493
00:33:21,090 --> 00:33:23,410
Police department search warrant! Come
to the door!
494
00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:27,510
In a search of Brian Koberger's Pullman,
Washington apartment, investigators
495
00:33:27,510 --> 00:33:29,030
find all this new evidence.
496
00:33:29,810 --> 00:33:35,370
Clippings from his bed that contained
stains, a vacuum dust container, and all
497
00:33:35,370 --> 00:33:37,370
of these receipts from recent purchases.
498
00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:42,050
On his computer, I expected, we're going
to go in there, we're going to find the
499
00:33:42,050 --> 00:33:44,210
motive. We're going to be able to tell
these families why.
500
00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:46,650
We're going to understand how this crime
occurred.
501
00:33:47,390 --> 00:33:51,730
And there was so much information that
just wasn't there that was shocking. It
502
00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:55,230
was almost a desperate chase to find
data that was erased.
503
00:33:56,250 --> 00:34:02,390
There was also a really interesting sort
of pattern of things where he read
504
00:34:02,390 --> 00:34:07,190
something on the news that said police
are looking for Hyundai Elantra, white
505
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:12,489
color. Within minutes, he searches for a
car detailing place and then starts to
506
00:34:12,489 --> 00:34:13,489
shop for used cars.
507
00:34:14,150 --> 00:34:18,889
It's almost too good to be true. Unless
this guy was miraculously set up, which
508
00:34:18,889 --> 00:34:22,870
is like a one in a billion chance, no
one cares enough about Brian Koberger to
509
00:34:22,870 --> 00:34:25,770
set him up. None of this evidence is
pointing to anybody else.
510
00:34:26,590 --> 00:34:28,170
And then you have the body cam videos.
511
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:33,230
Footage of multiple traffic stops
involving Brian Koberger that all come
512
00:34:33,230 --> 00:34:34,230
after his arrest.
513
00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:36,130
Hello. How you doing?
514
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:37,409
How y 'all doing today?
515
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:39,230
Good, good.
516
00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:42,570
Take a look at your driver's license
real quick like that. Where are you
517
00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:48,770
Well, we're coming from WSU.
518
00:34:49,650 --> 00:34:55,050
Brian Koberger's father, Michael, flew
out to Pullman, Washington in December
519
00:34:55,050 --> 00:35:01,130
help him drive back to Pennsylvania for
the Christmas break. And they're pulled
520
00:35:01,130 --> 00:35:03,970
over in Indiana on the way home.
521
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:08,590
You right up on the back end of that
van, hold you over for tailgating.
522
00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:10,930
Is this your car?
523
00:35:11,490 --> 00:35:12,790
Okay, cool.
524
00:35:13,630 --> 00:35:18,370
Now the officer lets them go with a
warning, but it's just minutes later,
525
00:35:18,370 --> 00:35:19,810
co -burter men are stopped again.
526
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:24,730
You guys stopped by a trooper?
527
00:35:25,190 --> 00:35:26,630
We don't have any SUVs.
528
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:30,490
There was a county guy with a black SUV.
529
00:35:30,970 --> 00:35:31,970
Okay, all right.
530
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:38,630
A lot of people were saying early on
that he was being surveilled from the
531
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:44,990
he left WSU, and that's just not true.
We did not have him pinpointed as our
532
00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:46,070
primary suspect.
533
00:35:46,730 --> 00:35:47,730
Now, here's the thing.
534
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:51,730
While investigators are pointing the
finger at Brian Koberger, the Internet
535
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:52,970
abuzz with debate.
536
00:35:53,170 --> 00:35:56,030
Was he, in fact, the killer? Was he, in
fact, guilty?
537
00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:57,310
Or did they have the wrong guy?
538
00:35:58,090 --> 00:36:00,630
If you think Koberger's not guilty...
539
00:36:00,890 --> 00:36:07,650
You have to believe the person who was
the real unaliver somehow went to
540
00:36:07,650 --> 00:36:13,050
Kohlberger's house that night, shook
hands with Kohlberger, and then touched
541
00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:16,830
weapon and the sheath, take it to the
crime scene.
542
00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:18,390
Hey, there's always a chance.
543
00:36:20,170 --> 00:36:24,790
In May of 2023, Brian Kohlberger goes
before a judge to hear his charges.
544
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,860
For the families of Kaylee and Madison
and Zanna and Ethan, this search for
545
00:36:29,860 --> 00:36:34,520
justice was really just the beginning
because prosecutors announced they were
546
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,560
seeking the death penalty.
547
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:41,780
For counts two, three, four, and five,
murder in a first degree,
548
00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:46,640
maximum penalties, life in prison, or
the death penalty.
549
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,360
Is Mr. Coburn prepared to plead to be
charged?
550
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:52,300
No, sir.
551
00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:57,820
I'm going to answer not guilty, please,
on each charge.
552
00:36:58,860 --> 00:37:00,900
When you go to trial, there can be many
possibilities.
553
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:03,340
You can be fully acquitted. You can be
found guilty.
554
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,420
And in Idaho, if you're found guilty of
murder, they would have brought back the
555
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:11,640
firing squad for you. And so he was
facing the very real possibility of not
556
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,460
facing life in prison, but death.
557
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:31,030
So much credit to Prosecutor Bill
Thompson and his office.
558
00:37:32,070 --> 00:37:39,070
They absolutely amazed me. From day one,
they were on the ground. They were
559
00:37:39,070 --> 00:37:44,510
in the scene with investigators,
learning everything from day one so that
560
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:46,530
could build the best case possible.
561
00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:53,290
Right after Brian Koberger is arrested,
his lawyer, Ann Taylor, she asks for a
562
00:37:53,290 --> 00:37:57,490
gag order in the case. And the
prosecution, they agree to it.
563
00:37:57,850 --> 00:38:03,230
So that basically shuts down any
information coming out about this case.
564
00:38:03,590 --> 00:38:07,070
Brian Koberger also waived his right to
a speedy trial.
565
00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:09,070
Yes.
566
00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:19,170
Brian Koberger's defense, they say, even
with this gag order that we think is
567
00:38:19,170 --> 00:38:23,050
working, we just don't think Brian
Koberger can get a fair trial in Latah
568
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:24,050
County.
569
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:30,980
We're here on a motion to change venue
from Latah County to Ada County, filed
570
00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:31,980
by the defense.
571
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:37,860
The standard here is whether there's a
reasonable likelihood that pretrial
572
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:41,980
publicity has affected the impartiality
of prospective jurors.
573
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:48,700
They get the case moved to Ada County,
and a new judge actually takes over the
574
00:38:48,700 --> 00:38:49,700
case as well.
575
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:53,620
The problem is that there's a gag order.
It's blocking the release of any new
576
00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:57,360
information. Law enforcement is staying
silent. So what do people do? They flock
577
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,380
to social media and they're getting
their updates on TikTok and Reddit.
578
00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:05,780
This case was absolutely everywhere when
it happened. It still is. I think it
579
00:39:05,780 --> 00:39:09,140
got so big because it was so brutal, so
morbid and just pure evil.
580
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:12,930
The gag order includes anyone in
relation to this case, so police,
581
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:17,430
investigators, attorneys from either
side, witnesses from either side.
582
00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:21,230
While the state is strengthening their
case against Brian Koberger, his defense
583
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:26,010
is kind of scrambling. They're fighting
back against IgG, investigative genetic
584
00:39:26,010 --> 00:39:28,770
genealogy, that was used to identify
him.
585
00:39:29,130 --> 00:39:35,910
Your Honor, we're here because the state
has alleged that a single piece of
586
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:38,890
evidence ties Mr. Koberger to this case.
587
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:44,780
that there's a knife sheet that has DNA
that they allege matches Brian Koberger.
588
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,200
The defense argued that the FBI's access
to the IgG violated Koberger's Fourth
589
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:54,600
Amendment rights. And in doing so, they
skirted the law in order to get a viable
590
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:55,600
DNA profile.
591
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:02,180
There was no warrant for several phases
of the search that led to the IgG work,
592
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,000
investigative genetic genealogy.
593
00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:07,860
And we think every single one of those
stages, a warrant was required.
594
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,060
Ultimately, the judge determined that
the FBI did not violate Koberger's
595
00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:15,800
Amendment rights. And this allowed the
prosecution to use this critical DNA
596
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,100
evidence as they move forward.
597
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,560
Brian Koberger claimed that he was
innocent.
598
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,900
And his attorneys filed a notice of
alibi. And they claimed that he was out
599
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:30,240
driving that night. They said it was
something that he often did.
600
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:34,240
And he was out at a park looking at the
stars.
601
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,940
And when they said that, a lot of people
laughed.
602
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,420
Because basically he's admitting that
he's out and about driving.
603
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Brian Koberger finally gave his alibi.
He finally said what he was doing on the
604
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,920
night of the quadruple murders and how
he was not there and he is not the one
605
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,560
responsible. And take a guess what he
was doing.
606
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:00,500
Driving in the night by himself looking
at the moon and the stars.
607
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:02,160
No.
608
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,940
You cannot use a phone that is powered
off to take photos of the stars.
609
00:41:06,570 --> 00:41:09,930
And you might say, that's so dumb. Yeah,
I know. But that's what he said he was
610
00:41:09,930 --> 00:41:14,650
doing. There were zero pictures in this
night of S .T .A .R .S. Like, not
611
00:41:14,650 --> 00:41:16,730
before, not after. Like, it wasn't
photographing.
612
00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:23,070
This is very frustrating. The trial is
continuing to stall month after month
613
00:41:23,070 --> 00:41:27,770
after month, and the families are doing
whatever they can to keep this story
614
00:41:27,770 --> 00:41:29,230
alive in the public eye.
615
00:41:30,050 --> 00:41:33,930
What my daughter's gone through, Maddie
Mae went through, the least I can do
616
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:34,930
is...
617
00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:40,660
You know, make myself sit down and
communicate and keep people focused on
618
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:42,440
case. I don't take it lightly.
619
00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:44,240
Her job is to get everyone to forget.
620
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:48,480
Her job is to stretch this out so long
that the witnesses don't even remember
621
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:49,419
what happened.
622
00:41:49,420 --> 00:41:52,380
So I'm not going to take it. I'm going
to come forward and I'm going to keep it
623
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:53,379
fresh.
624
00:41:53,380 --> 00:41:57,360
Part of the prosecution's job leading up
to trial is preparing witnesses and
625
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,600
family members for what's to come.
626
00:41:59,070 --> 00:42:03,210
And the impact on both the community and
the family members here was so severe
627
00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:06,570
that they need to be prepared that
they're going to have to now relive it
628
00:42:06,570 --> 00:42:13,070
detail. We learned that they went for
Maddie first, and then Kaylee.
629
00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:14,730
Kaylee woke up.
630
00:42:15,070 --> 00:42:16,830
Kaylee showed signs of fighting.
631
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:20,910
But this monster struck her multiple
times.
632
00:42:21,330 --> 00:42:25,350
And she was struck in the face. Her nose
was broken.
633
00:42:26,060 --> 00:42:30,600
The blows that he delivered to her would
have killed her.
634
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:36,140
It's not fair for parents to have to
wait two to three years to understand
635
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:37,140
happened to their kid.
636
00:42:37,580 --> 00:42:39,400
Talk about cruel and unusual punishment.
637
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:41,880
We have a trial date set.
638
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:45,020
This is the moment, right, where we're
going to get answers. We're going to
639
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:50,160
figure out everything that happened. But
right before the gavel falls, there is
640
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,660
a move that stuns everyone.
641
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:58,280
There's going to be no trial in the
Brian Coburger case. This is breaking
642
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Just came in an hour ago. I am not going
to lie.
643
00:43:01,740 --> 00:43:03,980
I did not expect this.
644
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,460
Have you had enough time to decide
whether or not to plead guilty?
645
00:43:15,020 --> 00:43:17,500
Yes. Are you pleading guilty freely and
voluntarily?
646
00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:21,980
Yes. Has anyone threatened you or anyone
close to you to get you to plead
647
00:43:21,980 --> 00:43:22,980
guilty? No.
648
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,220
Are you pleading guilty because you are
guilty?
649
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,840
Yes. It was kind of shocking, but also
not completely shocking when
650
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,020
you look at what was at stake.
651
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,920
I mean, he was looking at the
possibility of being convicted and
652
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,120
death by maybe firing squad.
653
00:43:42,500 --> 00:43:47,620
And so his lawyers had fought tooth and
nail throughout this case to try to get
654
00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:48,660
the death penalty removed.
655
00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:55,770
Did you, on November 13, 2022, enter the
residence at 1122 King Road
656
00:43:55,770 --> 00:43:59,610
in Moscow, Idaho, with the intent to
commit the felony crime of murder?
657
00:43:59,930 --> 00:44:00,930
Yes.
658
00:44:01,090 --> 00:44:06,250
The shock of that guilty plea was a
turning point. And online, I mean, the
659
00:44:06,250 --> 00:44:08,030
reaction was instant.
660
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:14,930
Genuinely, nothing has made my jaw drop
quite like this. I literally gasped when
661
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:16,490
I read this because I didn't believe it.
662
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,960
The whole time where he kind of alluded
to the fact that there was someone else
663
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:26,140
involved, no, it was just him. It is
abundantly clear immediately that this
664
00:44:26,140 --> 00:44:31,680
for the families of Kaylee, Madison,
Zanna, and Ethan is not well received.
665
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,440
for the family of Kaylee Gonsalves, they
expressed their frustration through
666
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,600
social media posts and media
appearances.
667
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:43,420
We were asked if we had a...
668
00:44:44,140 --> 00:44:48,520
ever been offered a plea deal or gave
one. We're not in it. We're in it for
669
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,460
death penalty. The choice is he could be
fired at or he could take a shot.
670
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,520
Those are the two options that we would
agree to.
671
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,420
If it would have got to negotiations, we
would have negotiated a lot better. You
672
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:06,600
know, he didn't force him to say that he
did it solo by himself, didn't force
673
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:12,440
him to prove that he was wearing the
suit or show us where the knife is to
674
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,440
chief.
675
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:17,730
There were two families who were
vehemently opposed to the plea deal.
676
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:21,270
Gonsalves' family said that the state of
Idaho let them down.
677
00:45:21,550 --> 00:45:23,910
They wanted answers. They wanted a
trial.
678
00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:28,530
Santa Cronodle's father, Jeff Cronodle,
was vehemently opposed to this plea
679
00:45:28,530 --> 00:45:33,290
agreement. But look, for others, this
was a welcome relief to move forward.
680
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:37,330
We love you, Maddie, and we miss you.
681
00:45:37,930 --> 00:45:41,550
We support the plea agreement 100%.
682
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:46,450
While we know there are some who do not
support it, we ask that they respect our
683
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:49,870
belief that this is the best outcome
possible for the victims, their
684
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:51,030
and the state of Idaho.
685
00:45:51,930 --> 00:45:52,930
We have closure.
686
00:45:53,550 --> 00:45:55,690
We embark on a path of hope and healing.
687
00:45:57,450 --> 00:46:00,870
One of the ongoing tragedies of this
case is that we're just never going to
688
00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:04,690
learn what his true motivations were.
Why did he pick this house? Why did he
689
00:46:04,690 --> 00:46:06,530
pick this people? Why did he pick this
night?
690
00:46:07,070 --> 00:46:11,050
It's imperative at sentencing that
families have the opportunity to give
691
00:46:11,050 --> 00:46:12,470
called a victim impact statement.
692
00:46:12,690 --> 00:46:17,790
It's their one opportunity that they get
to look the perpetrator in the eyes and
693
00:46:17,790 --> 00:46:20,670
really tell them how they've destroyed
their lives.
694
00:46:34,410 --> 00:46:35,570
Because of him.
695
00:46:36,590 --> 00:46:43,230
For beautiful, genuine, compassionate
people
696
00:46:43,230 --> 00:46:47,670
were taken from this world for no
reason.
697
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:50,010
He didn't just take their life.
698
00:46:50,290 --> 00:46:53,010
He took the light that carried it into
every room.
699
00:46:54,150 --> 00:47:00,070
On November 13th, 2022, a piece of my
heart was ripped away.
700
00:47:01,150 --> 00:47:02,310
There's no way to...
701
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,120
ever fully described the weight of
losing my sister and my best friend.
702
00:47:06,540 --> 00:47:09,160
She truly did live every day to the
fullest.
703
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:13,580
Yet her story was cut short by an act of
evil.
704
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:18,680
I believe in a God whose justice is not
bound by this courtroom.
705
00:47:19,580 --> 00:47:23,640
I find peace knowing that judgment
ultimately belongs to him.
706
00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:29,160
I don't know what my limits are here,
but I'm really struggling, dude.
707
00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:35,900
I am Jerome. I want to just be out in
the woods with you just so I can teach
708
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:37,060
about loss and pain.
709
00:47:37,540 --> 00:47:40,880
I love God. I wouldn't take your life.
That's up to him.
710
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,600
Oh, man.
711
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,520
You're going to go to hell.
712
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,860
There's no place for you in heaven.
713
00:47:48,300 --> 00:47:49,300
Go to hell.
714
00:47:50,380 --> 00:47:53,540
Today, we are here to finish what you
started.
715
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,200
Today, we are here to prove to the world
that you picked the wrong families.
716
00:47:59,210 --> 00:48:03,690
The wrong state, the wrong police
officers, the wrong community.
717
00:48:04,450 --> 00:48:06,790
You tried to break our community apart.
718
00:48:07,830 --> 00:48:12,130
Instead, your actions have united
everyone in their disgust for you.
719
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:15,370
A dead killer doesn't kill again.
720
00:48:15,690 --> 00:48:19,230
So while I'm disappointed the firing
squad won't get to take their shots at
721
00:48:19,310 --> 00:48:23,530
I'm confident that the men in prison
will have their way with you in more
722
00:48:23,530 --> 00:48:24,348
than one.
723
00:48:24,350 --> 00:48:26,210
Quick message from our youngest
daughter.
724
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:28,230
You may have received A's.
725
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,320
in high school and college, but you're
going to be getting big D's in prison.
726
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,980
Disappointments like you thrive on pain,
on fear, and on the illusion of power.
727
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,900
And I won't feed your beast.
728
00:48:43,500 --> 00:48:46,000
Instead, I will call you what you are.
729
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:47,840
Sociopath.
730
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:49,300
Psychopath.
731
00:48:49,940 --> 00:48:53,320
Murderer. You're terrified of being
ordinary, aren't you?
732
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,600
Do you feel anything at all?
733
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,600
Or are you exactly what you always
feared?
734
00:48:59,420 --> 00:49:04,540
Nothing. You didn't win. You just
exposed yourself as the coward you are.
735
00:49:04,820 --> 00:49:11,420
You're a delusional, pathetic,
hypochondriac loser who thought you were
736
00:49:11,420 --> 00:49:16,540
smarter than everybody else. If you
hadn't attacked them in their sleep, in
737
00:49:16,540 --> 00:49:20,720
middle of the night, like a pedophile,
Kaylee would have kicked your fucking
738
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,040
ass. They are everything that you could
never be.
739
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,950
Loved. accepted, vibrant, accomplished,
brave, and powerful.
740
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:34,950
It's not just a random crime. It's a
chosen crime.
741
00:49:35,230 --> 00:49:38,350
It's an act that someone chose to do to
complete strangers.
742
00:49:38,610 --> 00:49:42,590
And that type of act is really hard for
the human mind to grasp.
743
00:49:43,390 --> 00:49:45,430
Unless he was emulating Ted Bundy.
744
00:49:46,170 --> 00:49:50,170
Which could be the case. I don't see
this as this grandiose thing where he
745
00:49:50,170 --> 00:49:54,810
trying to get away with it. I think he
had this compulsion, this need, this
746
00:49:54,810 --> 00:50:00,250
necessity to do it. And he's probably
always wanted to do it and finally said,
747
00:50:00,250 --> 00:50:01,490
it. I'm going to do it.
748
00:50:02,490 --> 00:50:06,270
You know, a lot of people thought that
this story was over after the formal
749
00:50:06,270 --> 00:50:07,870
sentence saying, not the case.
750
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:13,590
We have learned so much more information
about who Brian Koberger was before
751
00:50:13,590 --> 00:50:15,110
these killings. And I will tell you.
752
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:17,860
The details are incredibly chilling.
753
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,940
Police end up speaking to many of
Koberger's PhD classmates at Washington
754
00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:25,940
University, and they said he made them
uncomfortable.
755
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:31,280
He would often say misogynistic and
homophobic things. He was very
756
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:31,919
to women.
757
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,480
You had another who said that he felt
verbally kidnapped when he was stuck
758
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,260
having to speak to Brian Koberger in the
reports.
759
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,680
They revealed that there were 13, 13
formal complaints made against Brian
760
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,920
Koberger in the months before these
killings.
761
00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:54,580
During the quiet morning hours of
November 13, 2022, a faceless coward
762
00:50:54,580 --> 00:50:59,720
breached the tranquility of six
beautiful young people and senselessly
763
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:00,740
slaughtered four of them.
764
00:51:01,540 --> 00:51:06,380
Even if I could force him to speak,
which legally I cannot, how could anyone
765
00:51:06,380 --> 00:51:08,720
ever be assured that what he speaks is
the truth?
766
00:51:09,550 --> 00:51:12,290
I hereby sentence Mr. Kohlberger as
follows.
767
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:14,650
On count one, burglary.
768
00:51:15,290 --> 00:51:16,410
Ten years fixed.
769
00:51:17,230 --> 00:51:21,630
First degree murder. I sentence the
defendant to a fixed term of life
770
00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:23,870
imprisonment without the possibility of
parole.
771
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:29,330
The sentences on count one, two, three,
four, and five shall run consecutively
772
00:51:29,330 --> 00:51:30,330
to one another.
773
00:51:30,570 --> 00:51:32,470
I think what most people are asking is
the why.
774
00:51:32,690 --> 00:51:34,910
You know, it's something we're just
never going to know for sure.
775
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:39,940
Crimes like this, where he seemed to
want to try to prove something to
776
00:51:40,340 --> 00:51:46,260
this is the type of ego that sort of
forces people one day to talk about it.
777
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,160
He's going to want the attention. He's
going to want to talk about it. For now,
778
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:51,180
we have to wait.
779
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:59,280
The evidence suggested that there was a
reason that this particular
780
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,280
house was chosen.
781
00:52:00,420 --> 00:52:02,080
What that reason is, we don't know.
782
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:13,790
I have to be perfectly candid.
783
00:52:14,330 --> 00:52:17,710
I don't believe that there's anything
that would come out of his mouth that
784
00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:18,710
would be the truth.
785
00:52:19,220 --> 00:52:22,780
After the sentencing, we got almost a
treasure trove of new information that
786
00:52:22,780 --> 00:52:26,240
hadn't had before, and it really shed a
new light at the brutality of these
787
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:29,780
crimes. It included information in
regards to a potential stalker that was
788
00:52:29,780 --> 00:52:31,140
around the house prior to the murders.
789
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,460
Also, there was an incident where the
door was off the frame and needed to be
790
00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:39,240
fixed. In addition, witnesses saw
Kaylee's dog barking into the woods with
791
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:40,240
explanation.
792
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:46,620
Brian Kohlberger groomed Kaylee's dog
Murphy, training him to his scent and
793
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:51,140
face so that he wouldn't cause an alarm
when Kohlberger entered their premises
794
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:55,800
to unalive them? What? The way this is
premeditated is crazy work.
795
00:52:56,100 --> 00:53:01,860
He just had extreme obsessive behaviors,
like with his mother and father,
796
00:53:02,060 --> 00:53:08,500
with the abnormal porn searches, serial
killers.
797
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:14,720
I believe by looking at his computer
that he was paranoid in the end. I don't
798
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:18,240
think he was just resting easy thinking
he got away with these murders. I think
799
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:20,520
he knew that people were coming for him.
800
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:35,200
That home on King Road is now just an
empty lot. It was torn down more than a
801
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,200
year after the murders.
802
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:43,680
All that's left is just a memory of the
horrors that happened that November 9th.
803
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,760
That person who did that horrible,
horrible thing is now never going to see
804
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,600
free light of day ever again. That's
what's important. I think I'm hoping
805
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,080
that'll help start bring some closure.
806
00:53:59,420 --> 00:54:01,820
We can begin to move on and the healing
can begin.
807
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,180
My heart still goes out to the families.
808
00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:06,420
This will never end for them.
809
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,760
I pray for their peace and healing.
810
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:15,960
All crimes are senseless, but this one
is one of the more heinous and senseless
811
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,160
that I have ever seen.
812
00:54:18,460 --> 00:54:25,140
You had four beautiful young people who
went to bed and they were murdered
813
00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:28,400
in a place where they should have felt
safe.
814
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:35,080
Evil walked into that house on King Road
and stole their lives and their
815
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:36,080
promise.
816
00:54:36,430 --> 00:54:38,530
And ended it all for no reason.
817
00:54:39,330 --> 00:54:40,370
I love you.
818
00:54:42,570 --> 00:54:44,130
My name's Stephen Gonsalves.
819
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:48,850
I'm Kaylee's older brother. She was my
little sister, my friend, the middle
820
00:54:48,850 --> 00:54:52,510
child in the heart of our family. There
are no words that can fully describe her
821
00:54:52,510 --> 00:54:53,510
spirit.
822
00:54:53,650 --> 00:54:55,310
But if you knew her, you knew joy.
823
00:54:55,570 --> 00:54:56,570
You knew light.
824
00:54:56,770 --> 00:54:59,910
You knew someone who made everything
better just by being in the room.
825
00:55:00,610 --> 00:55:02,970
Maddie was our purpose and our hope.
826
00:55:03,170 --> 00:55:05,330
We remain lost without her.
827
00:55:05,850 --> 00:55:06,870
But we will find our way.
828
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:12,390
My beautiful daughter, Zanna Kernodle.
My daughter was beautiful both inside
829
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:18,710
out. She possessed love for those around
her and had a light so bright it will
830
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:20,390
live on forever in our hearts.
831
00:55:20,890 --> 00:55:27,170
This moment isn't about you. It's about
justice for Zanna, Ethan, Kaylee, and
832
00:55:27,170 --> 00:55:31,510
Maddie. It's about honoring the
beautiful people they were and still are
833
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:32,510
God's eyes.
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