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I don't like bringing it all up
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because I would like to be
friends with everyone again.
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But you're asking me questions
about that period -
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well, that's what went on.
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That's just the way it is.
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That's the way it went down.
I can't bullshit.
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Don't want the Pappas brothers
to be remembered
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as just maniacs.
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But it got pretty heavy.
Yeah, just weird.
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Stuff you wouldn't think would
happen in skateboarding.
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And the facts is this, boys -
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there's three sides
to every story -
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there's my side,
your side and the truth.
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Back then, there
was no place better to be
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than Prahran
if you were a skateboarder.
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You had all different types
of people rocking up there.
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People in the tight, torn jeans,
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long hair...
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Messy ones, clean-cut.
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No matter who you were,
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you'd just get accepted
if you were a skateboarder.
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Do you like skaters?
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- Yeah, I am one.
- Do you like other skaters?
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- Yeah, of course. I have to.
- You have to?
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What do you think
of pedestrians?
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Can't do much about 'em.
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I used
to finish school at 3:30,
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get my board
and go straight to the ramp.
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It was the only thing that
I wanted to do at the time.
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- Oh!
- You alright?
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Dom! Why do you skate?
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- For fun.
- Fun?
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Yeah. What else would
I skate for? Money?
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I had that sense of
freedom with skateboarding,
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and pretty much
that was my life at the time -
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I was just skateboarding.
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School was OK, but skateboarding
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was more than that to me.
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Looking sharp there, Greg.
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Yeah, looking very good!
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Every weekend,
every night after school,
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we used to go down to Prahran.
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It was so exciting
because there were people
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from around Melbourne, a lot
of older crew and street guys.
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Hey, why do you skate?
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'Cause, you know, I've gotta
get some enjoyment in my life.
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- You know?
- Go and have a pull, son.
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My mum hated it.
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She just didn't understand
why I wanted to go to Prahran
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all the time and didn't
understand that culture.
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Still to this day,
they don't really understand.
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What do you think
of skateboarding?
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Skateboarding? I haven't
thought about it much.
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But do you think
it's a good sport, really?
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If it turns people on, why not?
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I was down at Prahran one day.
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I was probably, like, 11 or 12.
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And these kids padded up and
just started from the bottom.
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Looked like they'd never even
stepped on a board before.
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They just got on the ramp
and started pumping,
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going quarter of the way up,
halfway up the ramp.
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They didn't give two shits
if someone said to them
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to get off the ramp, they'd
just go and have a skate.
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You could see they were
pretty hard, you know.
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I found out they were called
Ben and Tas.
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We were young as fuck
when we came to Prahran,
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which is on the rich side
of Melbourne.
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We were just normal kids
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brought up in a physical
kind of atmosphere,
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like having rock wars and
climbing construction sites
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and houses
that were being built.
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I saw the vert ramp and I was
just mesmerised by the fact
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that people could fly through
the air, and that took over.
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We were bogans.
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There's bogans in every country.
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I think in America they call
them hessians or white trash.
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They'd be the American bogan.
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In Australia,
it's just called a bogan,
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but it's more
the rougher suburb type.
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We grew up in suburbia,
half Greek, half Aussie.
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Sort of rough.
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Growing up was pretty hectic
as far as Mum and Dad went.
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They tried to be together
and cool,
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but there were just fights
every night.
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Mum was hardcore.
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I mean, they had a fight,
they got into it
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and then she's screaming
and I was, like, freaking out.
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'Don't hit Mum!'
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Then Mum would come back
with a big glass ashtray,
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smash Dad in the head,
then he's... Bff!
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..laid out on the floor with
blood coming out his head!
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I'm like, 'Ah! Dad's dead!'
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That's the sort of things
we saw growing up.
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Me and Ben would always be
going at it with each other,
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smashing each other.
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And we learned martial arts
as kids.
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I was in kung-fu
when I was five.
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They had to take me out of it
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'cause I started smashing
all the grade fives
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when I was in grade one.
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Just thought I was Bruce Lee.
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My dad and Uncle Willie
had a jujitsu school,
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and the first thing
Uncle Willie taught us
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was all the pressure points.
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Temples, eyes, behind the ears,
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throat, up the nose,
down the chin.
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And he's teaching us
all these death strikes.
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Then he'd tell us in class,
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'Right!
Now, what are you going to do?
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You've just walked in, some
bloke's raping your mother.
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Think about that.
She's about to die.
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Now what are you going to do
to that bloke?'
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We'd be in our heads, young,
going, 'I'll kill him!'
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And then they'd go,
'Now, spar!'
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Then we'd go in there
and fully spar.
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Dad was like, 'Willie,
maybe we should ease up
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on the death strikes,
they're children.'
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But I took that to skating
and so did Ben.
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Sure enough, a week later
they're dropping in.
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Tas is dropping in, Ben
gets up, starts dropping in.
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They'd gotten good really quick.
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They just did it for fun,
how I did.
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We'd become really good
friends, me, Tas and Ben.
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Ben! Yeah!
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We were a really tight group
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and everyone bonded with
each other who could skate.
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We were just complete pricks
to other people who couldn't,
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so it was
that sort of mentality.
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- Do some fucking tricks!
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When are you gonna
fucking skateboard?!
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That's the way!
There you go.
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- Oh, look at it.
- It's not good enough!
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Not fucking good enough!
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You're a wanker!
Let's go, man.
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♪ The Star-Spangled Banner
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Everyone used to come
back to my house
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and just... all we did
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was hang out in the lounge
room and watch videos.
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We always got really excited
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by watching videos from the
States 'cause that was it.
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I used to just rock in
and there was my brother
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and a couple of friends
watching the videos.
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My drive is just progression.
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Just to be able to keep going
on and doing new things.
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To see what they did,
I didn't think was possible.
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It just blew my mind away.
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That's all we watched,
and recited songs from them
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and just had a laugh about
what the skaters were saying.
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How long have you been skating?
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Six years.
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- When did you start?
- Um... six years ago.
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The Americans
had that twang in their voice,
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like, 'Hey!' -
we used to imitate that.
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You're just flying around.
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You're not skating any more,
just flying around.
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Wasn't that Tony Mag's quote
in one of the H-Street videos?
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It's like you're not
skating any more,
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you're just flying around.
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All I cared about
was H-Street.
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New gen style, Danny Way style.
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I remember being in my room,
going,
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'That's it.
I'm going to America.
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I'm going to be the best.
I wanna smash Hawk!'
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I had these huge dreams.
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You just realised
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that Australia just didn't
have that same buzz.
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So to be a part of that US
skate culture was our dream.
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I was living with my dad
during the week
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and we stayed with Mum
on the weekends.
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Mum moved to Clifton Hill,
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so the closest vert ramp
was Northcote.
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That ramp
was a lot bigger than Prahran,
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and it was pretty much
dead there
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so we had the ramp to ourselves.
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Sometimes these guys
would rock up to the ramp
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in these two Porsches,
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I remember just tripping.
'Who are these two?'
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They saw me and Ben learning,
fighting and learning,
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and he'll learn this
and I'll learn that better,
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I'll go higher here,
and we were just battling.
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These guys just so happened
to be the two brothers
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who had pretty much the biggest
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distributorship in Australia.
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We had no idea
who they were either.
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Lucky we didn't get lippy
to them, eh?
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So if you were starting
off from the beginning
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to learn skateboarding,
is the book going to help you?
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For sure. It also has
a how-to-do section in it.
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Stephen and Peter Hill
approached us at the ramp
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and said, 'Hey, do you guys
want to come into Hardcore?'
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Which is now known as Globe.
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'We'll give you some product
and stuff.'
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I was expecting a T-shirt
and we walked out of Hardcore
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that day with so much shit,
I was just blown away.
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And from that day on,
we were hooked up
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with the Hill brothers
and Hardcore.
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Me and Ben, we got sponsored.
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We couldn't exactly
quite do things yet,
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but they thought
we were going to be good.
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Jerry Sont here and welcome
to Melbourne's Festival Hall
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where, tonight, skaters
from all over the world,
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including USA's No.1
Christian Hosoi
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and Sweden's Tony Magnusson,
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will compete
against Australia's best.
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The wheels are way more new
than his.
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Better trucks,
they're way stronger.
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We've got the ultimate trucks...
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These are so shit. It's a
joke.
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- It's independent.
- Grip tape, really chunky.
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Independent is where it is at.
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1989 Ramp Riot,
they wanted us to go on it,
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and I told my dad,
'Dad, you've got to go!'
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Me and Ben were,
'Yeah, you gotta let us go
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to go on tour
around Australia.'
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Someone from Hardcore
spoke to our parents,
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and the next thing you know,
we're in the team van.
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And then we toured
around Australia,
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seeing all this mayhem go down.
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We were staying in a hotel
with 30-years-olds,
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partying out of control.
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We live to skate 100%
of the time.
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When we travel, we skate.
When we're at home, we skate.
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The skating
shouldn't be organised.
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It is like trying to chain
a wild animal.
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It shouldn't be done.
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They're all just
coked, drinking maniacs
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with all these chicks.
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Naturally, that's what me and
Ben saw as young, young kids
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and we were like, 'Oh, this
is what skating is about.'
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And you're young, going,
'Yeah! These pros are cool.
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I wanna be a pro skater.
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What's that white shit
they're sniffing?
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Oh, it makes you skate better?
Hmm.
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Get me tonnes of that.'
You know, you'll do it.
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So that was our first
taste of pro skateboarding.
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Harder.
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Fuckin'... Unnggh!
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I got into video
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just because so much stuff
was happening at Prahran,
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it was entertaining
to actually watch
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people's reactions
to themselves on video.
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Why are you filming
all the time?
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Apart from the skating,
we were just hanging out,
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doing what your regular boys
would do at that age.
245
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Look at that little baby. Mmm.
She's just asking for a root.
246
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- Mmm.
- Lana, want to fuck?
247
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No, don't say that.
Buzz will root you!
248
00:13:46,097 --> 00:13:48,598
Nah, I'm just asking for Buzz.
He hasn't got the guts to.
249
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At the same time,
250
00:13:54,406 --> 00:13:57,440
I could see Tas and Ben
were getting really good.
251
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They were improving,
like, really quickly.
252
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Just go for it.
253
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They were doing new
tricks that, in some respects,
254
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that were better
than some of the pros
255
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who were in the American videos.
256
00:14:27,671 --> 00:14:30,206
Shut up while
I'm trying to skate. All right?
257
00:14:30,208 --> 00:14:31,208
Fair enough.
258
00:14:35,580 --> 00:14:38,648
Tas was
an in-your-face kind of guy,
259
00:14:38,650 --> 00:14:40,283
and his skating was the same.
260
00:14:42,419 --> 00:14:43,953
He'd just go for it,
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always put together the
hardest stuff, back to back.
262
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If he slammed, he slammed.
263
00:14:51,362 --> 00:14:53,696
If he couldn't make a trick,
264
00:14:53,698 --> 00:14:55,998
it was, 'Look out, heads,
here is a board coming.'
265
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,968
Fuckin' dick! Fuckin' homo!
266
00:14:58,970 --> 00:15:00,069
Fuckin' eh!
267
00:15:06,811 --> 00:15:10,613
- No, don't say that.
- Buzz will root you!
268
00:15:13,718 --> 00:15:17,186
Ben, on that session
you just watched today,
269
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what is the outcome,
your response?
270
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Ah, well... nothing.
271
00:15:23,128 --> 00:15:25,128
Ben was always different to Tas,
272
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maybe because
he was the younger brother.
273
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Quite laid-back and he was
just a bit more open-minded.
274
00:15:31,503 --> 00:15:33,069
It was weak.
275
00:15:36,807 --> 00:15:39,742
At the time, there was
a big boom in street skating.
276
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It had its own energy,
it had its own language.
277
00:15:48,752 --> 00:15:52,422
It was a new generation of
kids taking all the old tricks
278
00:15:52,424 --> 00:15:53,890
and adding kickflips
279
00:15:53,892 --> 00:15:56,053
to create a whole new
dynamic form of skating.
280
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Ben would come along
and skate street with us
281
00:16:05,036 --> 00:16:07,069
and actually try
these street tricks
282
00:16:07,071 --> 00:16:09,305
on the vertical,
which was just unheard of.
283
00:16:18,048 --> 00:16:19,549
Ben Pappas.
284
00:16:21,752 --> 00:16:24,554
- Kick indy revert.
- Yep. Do it.
285
00:16:24,556 --> 00:16:26,422
After the heelflip?
286
00:16:26,424 --> 00:16:29,025
No, try the varial. You're so
fucking close to the varial.
287
00:16:29,027 --> 00:16:32,428
The thing that was
really amazing about Ben
288
00:16:32,430 --> 00:16:35,565
was he was just, like,
completely natural.
289
00:16:35,567 --> 00:16:38,000
If you thought anything,
he would do it.
290
00:16:38,002 --> 00:16:40,002
- Back foot kickflip.
- You'll never do it.
291
00:16:40,004 --> 00:16:41,704
- All right.
- You're dreaming.
292
00:16:41,706 --> 00:16:43,940
Obviously take time,
but he'd actually do it
293
00:16:43,942 --> 00:16:46,576
and do it all the time,
really easily.
294
00:16:46,578 --> 00:16:49,779
That's when all that sort of
vert and street mix
295
00:16:49,781 --> 00:16:52,582
was coming to power,
I guess you could say.
296
00:16:59,957 --> 00:17:02,124
Look at how Sean's going, eh?
297
00:17:02,126 --> 00:17:04,794
He'd like to quote
movies, my brother.
298
00:17:04,796 --> 00:17:10,166
The movie Platoon was the
war between Elias and Barnes,
299
00:17:10,168 --> 00:17:13,836
and he'd say, like, we
skated like Barnes and Elias.
300
00:17:13,838 --> 00:17:17,073
Elias was more free-flowing
and stoned
301
00:17:17,075 --> 00:17:18,708
and Barnes was like,
302
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:21,911
'If the machine breaks down,
we break down.'
303
00:17:21,913 --> 00:17:23,880
He just gets hammered
and just, 'Raah!'
304
00:17:23,882 --> 00:17:26,549
Makes things happen. That's
how Ben reckons I skated.
305
00:17:28,886 --> 00:17:32,121
I'd roll in, try to do
everything and land it or die.
306
00:17:32,123 --> 00:17:33,890
He'd call it 'Barnesing' it.
307
00:17:36,059 --> 00:17:40,096
Ben was more flick perfect
and he was more the Elias,
308
00:17:40,098 --> 00:17:42,138
'cause he tried to be
more understanding.
309
00:17:47,371 --> 00:17:50,773
We did everything together.
We were inseparable.
310
00:17:50,775 --> 00:17:52,875
Go slowly.
311
00:17:52,877 --> 00:17:56,345
- Wait, are you filming?
- Yeah.
312
00:17:56,347 --> 00:17:58,481
The scene was really
sort of dead
313
00:17:58,483 --> 00:18:00,483
in Australia at that point.
314
00:18:00,485 --> 00:18:02,818
Just feed it. Don't hurt it.
315
00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:06,522
But it sort of brought
us sort of closer together.
316
00:18:06,524 --> 00:18:08,057
It's trying to attack me!
317
00:18:08,059 --> 00:18:10,693
Tas and Ben both knew
how to have a fun time.
318
00:18:10,695 --> 00:18:11,794
Come on!
319
00:18:14,831 --> 00:18:16,499
Get off!
320
00:18:24,808 --> 00:18:26,175
I'm recording.
321
00:18:26,177 --> 00:18:28,477
Yeah, hang on.
322
00:18:28,479 --> 00:18:30,513
Did it work?
323
00:18:30,515 --> 00:18:32,515
- Nah!
- No!
324
00:18:32,517 --> 00:18:35,184
- Did it work?
325
00:18:35,186 --> 00:18:39,555
- Got it, mongol?
- Fucking wait.
326
00:18:39,557 --> 00:18:43,059
Tas always had something
new up his sleeve, you know.
327
00:18:43,061 --> 00:18:46,195
If it was causing mischief, he
definitely wouldn't hold back.
328
00:18:46,197 --> 00:18:48,798
Hold it upside down until
the plastic starts burning.
329
00:18:51,435 --> 00:18:55,071
The bomb is gonna go off!
330
00:18:55,073 --> 00:18:57,607
Little bogans, I suppose.
That's what we did.
331
00:18:57,609 --> 00:19:00,376
We were always looking for
a rush, trying to have fun.
332
00:19:00,378 --> 00:19:02,345
- Fuck off.
- Keep away from me!
333
00:19:02,347 --> 00:19:04,780
- You're a fucking goober!
- Get away from me!
334
00:19:04,782 --> 00:19:07,650
- Fucking don't hit me.
- Get away from me, you idiot.
335
00:19:07,652 --> 00:19:11,120
- You're a cunt.
- Well, fuck you, mongol.
336
00:19:12,956 --> 00:19:16,859
Yeah!
337
00:19:16,861 --> 00:19:19,929
What kid doesn't have fun
blowing up lighters
338
00:19:19,931 --> 00:19:23,666
or smashing things or finding
a stolen car in a paddock
339
00:19:23,668 --> 00:19:27,670
and smashing all the windows
in it and setting it on fire?
340
00:19:27,672 --> 00:19:31,674
What little kid
didn't enjoy that stuff?
341
00:19:31,676 --> 00:19:34,043
It's what everyone does,
don't they?
342
00:19:34,045 --> 00:19:35,578
Didn't they?
343
00:19:44,755 --> 00:19:47,023
Why are you here?
344
00:19:47,025 --> 00:19:48,858
I'm doing a demo.
345
00:19:48,860 --> 00:19:50,760
What do you think of the demo
so far?
346
00:19:50,762 --> 00:19:51,894
It sucks.
347
00:19:51,896 --> 00:19:53,462
- Why?
- Shit ramp.
348
00:19:53,464 --> 00:19:55,598
Any good-looking chicks
out there?
349
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,435
Most of them are lizards.
I suppose there'd be a few.
350
00:19:59,437 --> 00:20:02,571
How could you sum Sydney up
in one word?
351
00:20:02,573 --> 00:20:03,573
Fucked.
352
00:20:08,145 --> 00:20:10,680
It went sort of slack for a bit.
353
00:20:10,682 --> 00:20:12,448
Not much skating went down.
354
00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:14,417
That was when I made up my mind.
355
00:20:14,419 --> 00:20:17,853
I was 16, worked for a year
and a half, saved up my money,
356
00:20:17,855 --> 00:20:20,923
jumped on a plane, vowing
to myself I have to go there,
357
00:20:20,925 --> 00:20:22,625
and I have to beat Hawk.
358
00:20:26,830 --> 00:20:30,132
Hello, and welcome
to the skate park of Tampa.
359
00:20:30,134 --> 00:20:32,702
I'll be your tour guide.
My name is Bill.
360
00:20:32,704 --> 00:20:36,005
Welcome to the pro shop.
We've just refinished it.
361
00:20:36,007 --> 00:20:38,708
You've got Fred over here,
dealing with construction...
362
00:20:38,710 --> 00:20:42,812
You've got Olly, park
employee. And the Sandman.
363
00:20:42,814 --> 00:20:47,116
The first time I met Tas
was in Tampa, Florida.
364
00:20:47,118 --> 00:20:51,654
They had a vert ramp in a
warehouse where lots of people
365
00:20:51,656 --> 00:20:54,390
from all over the world
would show up.
366
00:20:56,427 --> 00:20:58,394
It was not only a great place
to skate
367
00:20:58,396 --> 00:21:00,529
but it was a really fun place
to party.
368
00:21:00,531 --> 00:21:03,099
It was a cool environment.
369
00:21:03,101 --> 00:21:06,435
We lived in the skate
park behind the ramp.
370
00:21:06,437 --> 00:21:08,637
There was the skate park
371
00:21:08,639 --> 00:21:11,874
and then there was an office
building inside the warehouse.
372
00:21:11,876 --> 00:21:15,678
We lived under the ramp
in the Charlie Brown room.
373
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,913
It was painted yellow
with a black zigzag
374
00:21:17,915 --> 00:21:19,648
all the way around the room.
375
00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:22,218
Trippy room, gave you really
weird dreams in there.
376
00:21:22,220 --> 00:21:24,453
He was a kid.
377
00:21:24,455 --> 00:21:27,423
I don't even know how
you'd gather the kind of money
378
00:21:27,425 --> 00:21:29,892
it takes to get
a plane ticket from Australia
379
00:21:29,894 --> 00:21:34,463
to fly all the way to the US
with nowhere to stay in sight,
380
00:21:34,465 --> 00:21:35,898
trying to chase a dream
381
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:39,034
that, you know,
doesn't seem very realistic.
382
00:21:39,036 --> 00:21:42,037
You get here and
if you're the new vert skater
383
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,673
from Australia that shows up,
nobody cares.
384
00:21:46,143 --> 00:21:48,177
Tas came over here
385
00:21:48,179 --> 00:21:51,814
and his skating was what put
him on the map, period.
386
00:21:51,816 --> 00:21:53,048
It was, like, undeniable.
387
00:21:55,719 --> 00:21:58,120
The level of skating
there was mad!
388
00:21:58,122 --> 00:22:00,156
Everyone was just going off
all the time,
389
00:22:00,158 --> 00:22:02,558
just filming constantly,
everyone is there every day.
390
00:22:04,427 --> 00:22:06,662
..in the pool room.
391
00:22:06,664 --> 00:22:09,732
Mike Frazier, Mike Crum!
What do you know?
392
00:22:16,773 --> 00:22:21,177
It was full-blown mayhem.
It was crazy, man.
393
00:22:21,179 --> 00:22:23,078
A lot of acid-taking going
down.
394
00:22:26,116 --> 00:22:29,218
You get sheets,
mini sheets of acid
395
00:22:29,220 --> 00:22:31,687
and I'd just have acid
all the time.
396
00:22:37,727 --> 00:22:41,197
♪ Madness and mayhem... ♪
397
00:22:41,199 --> 00:22:43,899
I filmed my whole part,
398
00:22:43,901 --> 00:22:47,069
all my tricks in the Mad
Circle Let The Horns Blow,
399
00:22:47,071 --> 00:22:49,305
I was on acid, and I got
Video Part of the Year.
400
00:22:51,708 --> 00:22:53,542
When I'd get on the acid,
401
00:22:53,544 --> 00:22:55,745
it was like everything just
felt like I was moving well.
402
00:22:55,746 --> 00:22:57,379
You know that da Vinci painting
403
00:22:57,381 --> 00:22:59,114
where the guy's like this
and like this
404
00:22:59,116 --> 00:23:01,550
and it's in the circle,
there's all the numbers?
405
00:23:01,552 --> 00:23:02,852
I started feeling like him.
406
00:23:21,404 --> 00:23:25,441
Always wanted to do everything
in a line at the end.
407
00:23:25,443 --> 00:23:27,176
I just thought
the best thing is, like,
408
00:23:27,178 --> 00:23:30,012
imagine all these mad, single
tricks these guys have filmed
409
00:23:30,014 --> 00:23:32,681
and then everyone thinks
that's your video part done
410
00:23:32,683 --> 00:23:34,450
and then,
at the end of your part,
411
00:23:34,452 --> 00:23:36,218
be able to do it all
in one line.
412
00:23:55,673 --> 00:23:59,742
The Mad Circle video
really put him on the map
413
00:23:59,744 --> 00:24:03,812
because he was certainly
the next guy that was changing
414
00:24:03,814 --> 00:24:07,049
what you thought was possible
or how it was done on vert.
415
00:24:07,051 --> 00:24:09,985
There was one line
that stood out
416
00:24:09,987 --> 00:24:12,388
that was like
all the hardest tricks
417
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:16,558
that no-one had really ever
seen, but put into one line.
418
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,130
Rumour has it that that line
was done on mushrooms as well,
419
00:24:21,132 --> 00:24:24,033
so it made it
that much more iconic.
420
00:24:31,141 --> 00:24:34,176
In that period
when Tas was in the States,
421
00:24:34,178 --> 00:24:37,513
Ben was preparing himself
to be a world-class skater.
422
00:24:37,515 --> 00:24:38,814
Oh, yeah!
423
00:24:42,686 --> 00:24:45,754
Whoo-hoo!
424
00:24:45,756 --> 00:24:48,857
- It's fucking cold!
425
00:24:48,859 --> 00:24:51,694
Oh, my God! That was so scary!
426
00:24:51,696 --> 00:24:54,129
You guys are fucked!
427
00:24:54,131 --> 00:24:56,665
He was filming
all the time with me,
428
00:24:56,667 --> 00:24:59,134
hanging out, having fun,
but also trying to do
429
00:24:59,136 --> 00:25:02,604
the best he could to prepare
himself to go to America.
430
00:25:06,109 --> 00:25:08,377
- Start again.
- Shut up!
431
00:25:11,514 --> 00:25:14,383
Bunch of
slack-jawed faggots here.
432
00:25:14,385 --> 00:25:16,919
This will make you a
goddamn sexual Tyrannosaurus,
433
00:25:16,921 --> 00:25:18,921
just like me.
434
00:25:18,923 --> 00:25:22,424
I was 16, I finished Year
10 and went to the States.
435
00:25:22,426 --> 00:25:25,060
My brother was already over
there. He finished school.
436
00:25:25,062 --> 00:25:26,862
He was two years older than me,
437
00:25:26,864 --> 00:25:28,697
so he was already
in Tampa, Florida.
438
00:25:28,699 --> 00:25:30,619
I flew over to Tampa,
met Tas there.
439
00:25:32,502 --> 00:25:36,071
Ben blew straight onto
the scene like his brother.
440
00:25:36,073 --> 00:25:38,507
- What's your name?
- Ben Pappas.
441
00:25:38,509 --> 00:25:40,676
- Where are you from?
- Australia.
442
00:25:40,678 --> 00:25:42,478
- How old are you?
- 16.
443
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,747
These guys were putting
444
00:25:44,749 --> 00:25:46,715
such a heavy hit on vert skating
445
00:25:46,717 --> 00:25:48,517
that it was just unbelievable.
446
00:25:52,389 --> 00:25:55,024
Me, my brother
and this guy Bo Turner,
447
00:25:55,026 --> 00:25:57,092
we would go to the skate park
to go skate,
448
00:25:57,094 --> 00:25:59,728
and then seeing these dudes
skate the vert ramp
449
00:25:59,730 --> 00:26:02,031
like no-one else I've seen
skate the vert ramp.
450
00:26:02,033 --> 00:26:04,600
Out of nowhere, like,
'Who the fuck are these guys?'
451
00:26:04,602 --> 00:26:06,803
'Oh, they're the Pappas
brothers from Australia.'
452
00:26:08,938 --> 00:26:10,739
Both those guys were,
453
00:26:10,741 --> 00:26:13,542
'I'll fucking make this trick.
I don't give a shit.'
454
00:26:13,544 --> 00:26:15,110
That was the mentality.
455
00:26:15,112 --> 00:26:17,946
When they were on it, it
was like, 'Dude, stand back,
456
00:26:17,948 --> 00:26:21,150
and fucking watch some really,
really good skateboarding.'
457
00:26:26,924 --> 00:26:28,924
Got onto the comp circuit.
458
00:26:28,926 --> 00:26:31,894
Being an outsider from another
country, it was hard.
459
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,902
You come up,
you've gotta start doing stuff
460
00:26:39,904 --> 00:26:42,671
that is just obviously
light-years ahead,
461
00:26:42,673 --> 00:26:45,774
or way harder combos which
no-one's even bothering to do.
462
00:26:48,945 --> 00:26:50,612
Tas went from a guy
463
00:26:50,614 --> 00:26:52,915
that was living in
the skate park at Tampa
464
00:26:52,917 --> 00:26:54,750
to a guy that started to pick up
465
00:26:54,752 --> 00:26:56,685
a bunch of really good sponsors.
466
00:26:56,687 --> 00:26:59,555
Ben, as well, during that
467
00:26:59,557 --> 00:27:03,092
had really stepped into
that arena just like Tas.
468
00:27:03,094 --> 00:27:05,594
They were both
so fucking gnarly.
469
00:27:11,434 --> 00:27:13,702
It took Ben a bit
to get used to the pressure
470
00:27:13,704 --> 00:27:16,438
of the world stage,
but once he did,
471
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,940
he just started killing it.
472
00:27:20,144 --> 00:27:22,511
I never thought about the money.
473
00:27:22,513 --> 00:27:25,180
I was just enjoying
going on tour
474
00:27:25,182 --> 00:27:28,517
and chicks and new
best friends in every city.
475
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:29,985
It was fun.
476
00:27:34,390 --> 00:27:37,159
Tas Pappas, ready to go.
477
00:27:37,161 --> 00:27:39,094
He's a feisty one.
478
00:27:39,096 --> 00:27:40,896
He is a feisty one...
479
00:27:40,898 --> 00:27:42,698
As the comp circuit went on,
480
00:27:42,700 --> 00:27:45,100
I started realising
how weird it was getting.
481
00:27:45,102 --> 00:27:47,603
All of a sudden, it's ESPN
482
00:27:47,605 --> 00:27:50,739
and you got your Hawks
playing it up to the camera,
483
00:27:50,741 --> 00:27:53,108
really going, like,
full mainstream
484
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:55,043
Brady Bunch type stuff.
485
00:27:55,045 --> 00:27:57,579
It is skateboard vert,
486
00:27:57,581 --> 00:28:00,115
and it is Tony Hawk's turn.
487
00:28:00,117 --> 00:28:02,050
Can I go?
488
00:28:02,052 --> 00:28:05,387
Some X Games it was like,
'X Games welcomes Tony Hawk'
489
00:28:05,389 --> 00:28:07,089
like, he was fully in there
at ESPN.
490
00:28:07,091 --> 00:28:08,857
I think he married a chick
from ESPN.
491
00:28:08,859 --> 00:28:10,492
It was like he owned it!
492
00:28:10,494 --> 00:28:12,794
Pretty smart businessman,
I'd give him that.
493
00:28:12,796 --> 00:28:14,363
Tony Hawk,
494
00:28:14,365 --> 00:28:15,998
one of the greatest ever in
this sport.
495
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,133
He's got his own skateboard
company, he's into videos,
496
00:28:18,135 --> 00:28:20,669
even took a stab at directing
in our ESPN truck.
497
00:28:20,671 --> 00:28:23,038
Hey, I just have a question...
498
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,441
I thought, 'Yeah,
what is this? This isn't us.'
499
00:28:26,443 --> 00:28:28,644
Skateboarding
is about individuality,
500
00:28:28,646 --> 00:28:30,512
and they were taking that away.
501
00:28:30,514 --> 00:28:32,681
Whoa, nice.
502
00:28:32,683 --> 00:28:34,816
Is he going for something new?
503
00:28:34,818 --> 00:28:37,553
Some of the stuff I saw,
I remember shaking my head,
504
00:28:37,555 --> 00:28:41,123
just going, 'Wow, is this what
skating has turned into?'
505
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,760
We've seen that he can fly high.
506
00:28:44,762 --> 00:28:48,063
Here he goes, scooting across
there. He's in the water!
507
00:28:49,934 --> 00:28:53,936
Hawk takes a swim,
and the crowd love that!
508
00:29:15,825 --> 00:29:19,461
If you want to be
a pro racer, where do you go?
509
00:29:19,463 --> 00:29:22,364
Indianapolis 500.
510
00:29:22,366 --> 00:29:24,766
You want to be an actor,
you go to Hollywood.
511
00:29:26,936 --> 00:29:29,271
Want to be model?
Go to fucking New York.
512
00:29:32,942 --> 00:29:34,810
You wanna be a pro skateboarder,
513
00:29:34,812 --> 00:29:36,411
you come to San Diego.
514
00:29:39,782 --> 00:29:42,117
I moved to California in '95
515
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,753
and ended up living with
Danny Way,
516
00:29:44,755 --> 00:29:46,121
and then those guys came out.
517
00:29:47,857 --> 00:29:49,992
It's not even that hard.
518
00:29:49,994 --> 00:29:51,927
As soon as me and Ben
519
00:29:51,929 --> 00:29:53,962
moved to San Diego,
we felt at home.
520
00:29:53,964 --> 00:29:56,165
Do it all the way. Should
go all the way forwards.
521
00:29:59,202 --> 00:30:01,970
Then when Danny and Colin
invited me and Ben
522
00:30:01,972 --> 00:30:03,872
to go skate the Plan B ramp
with them,
523
00:30:03,874 --> 00:30:05,107
we were just psyched.
524
00:30:05,109 --> 00:30:06,742
Yeah!
525
00:30:06,744 --> 00:30:08,777
It was just like hanging
with the boys.
526
00:30:08,779 --> 00:30:12,180
There was no fakeness going
on, you know?
527
00:30:12,182 --> 00:30:14,116
Cocky bastard.
528
00:30:16,686 --> 00:30:19,054
They were skating
with their hero, Danny.
529
00:30:19,056 --> 00:30:21,590
The level went up, huge.
530
00:30:21,592 --> 00:30:24,092
It was like, 'Holy fuck, dude,
did you see that?'
531
00:30:28,431 --> 00:30:32,134
Those guys fed off each other.
They were fucking competitive.
532
00:30:32,136 --> 00:30:33,969
Tas would be saying shit
to Danny
533
00:30:33,971 --> 00:30:35,871
and they'd get into arguments.
534
00:30:35,873 --> 00:30:39,107
'Fuck, I can't wait to see the
skateboarding go down!'
535
00:30:39,109 --> 00:30:40,676
And it went down.
536
00:30:40,678 --> 00:30:42,839
Ah, you trick thief.
Jake's been trying that.
537
00:30:54,991 --> 00:30:57,926
Then those guys ended up
living at the house
538
00:30:57,928 --> 00:31:02,464
and that was quite a...
You know.
539
00:31:02,466 --> 00:31:04,700
I don't know what to say.
540
00:31:12,175 --> 00:31:14,443
That was another mayhem,
541
00:31:14,445 --> 00:31:17,512
living at Danny's house -
it was just party time again.
542
00:31:17,514 --> 00:31:22,017
Me and Ben are chopping coke
non-stop, skating, partying.
543
00:31:22,019 --> 00:31:25,554
Just... You couldn't escape it
in those days,
544
00:31:25,556 --> 00:31:26,988
you know what I mean?
545
00:31:28,725 --> 00:31:31,893
The first time
me and Tas sat down,
546
00:31:31,895 --> 00:31:35,564
he took my brand-new bag of
weed and I look over
547
00:31:35,566 --> 00:31:39,134
and he's chopping it all up
with his cigarettes, you know,
548
00:31:39,136 --> 00:31:42,738
and, to me, that was disrespect.
549
00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:44,439
I was a little pissed.
550
00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:46,208
You know,
'That's my fucking weed.
551
00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:48,377
That's my brand-new bag
of weed, '
552
00:31:48,379 --> 00:31:50,846
and he's chopping it up,
making himself a mull.
553
00:31:50,848 --> 00:31:54,149
'It's a fucking mull, mate.'
Chopping it up.
554
00:31:54,151 --> 00:31:56,685
I don't really think it was
something he tried to do.
555
00:31:56,687 --> 00:32:02,157
I just think he was,
like, a natural asshole.
556
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:06,161
At the time, me and Danny were
starting a skateboard company
557
00:32:06,163 --> 00:32:08,063
called Platinum Skateboards
558
00:32:08,065 --> 00:32:11,099
and we wanted Tas and Ben
to be on the team.
559
00:32:11,101 --> 00:32:14,770
We started talking to them
and it was just on.
560
00:32:28,751 --> 00:32:31,119
Platinum was
a bloody dream team.
561
00:32:31,121 --> 00:32:34,923
It was a sick bloody team!
562
00:32:34,925 --> 00:32:38,827
Chet Thomas came on board
with us, Henry Sanchez,
563
00:32:38,829 --> 00:32:41,030
but the big drawcard
was me and Ben were together.
564
00:32:45,201 --> 00:32:47,669
Tas and Ben were acquaintances
565
00:32:47,671 --> 00:32:50,639
until I got on XYZ Platinum,
566
00:32:50,641 --> 00:32:52,908
and from that point,
we got pretty close.
567
00:32:52,910 --> 00:32:56,678
It opened up a different side
- For me, anyways,
568
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,613
because I was a street skater.
569
00:32:58,615 --> 00:33:02,484
Seeing those guys skating
vert, just going crazy,
570
00:33:02,486 --> 00:33:05,887
living the rock star lifestyle
was pretty awesome.
571
00:33:05,889 --> 00:33:07,889
You appreciate it
as a street skater
572
00:33:07,891 --> 00:33:09,991
'cause you don't get
that rock star status
573
00:33:09,993 --> 00:33:11,760
that the vert guys get.
574
00:33:11,762 --> 00:33:14,095
They do a couple of Mac Twists
and come off the ramp
575
00:33:14,097 --> 00:33:16,198
and literally girls are
surrounded.
576
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,066
Ben wasn't so much like that,
577
00:33:18,068 --> 00:33:20,936
but Tas indulged
in that lifestyle, you know.
578
00:33:23,506 --> 00:33:25,740
They both rode
for this new company.
579
00:33:25,742 --> 00:33:28,176
There was all this huge hype
surrounding them.
580
00:33:28,178 --> 00:33:30,479
They had this
really cool apartment
581
00:33:30,481 --> 00:33:32,581
just steps away from the beach.
582
00:33:32,583 --> 00:33:35,150
Tas's dad had come over
and started living with them,
583
00:33:35,152 --> 00:33:36,818
so that was really cool,
584
00:33:36,820 --> 00:33:39,754
and then the contest season
started to pick up
585
00:33:39,756 --> 00:33:42,457
in the vert world and there
were some big contests.
586
00:33:58,941 --> 00:34:02,878
Tas and Ben just killed
all the contests, you know.
587
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,514
They were powerhouses,
they come from Australia,
588
00:34:05,516 --> 00:34:08,049
and they just had
that Australian attitude
589
00:34:08,051 --> 00:34:09,384
of not giving a shit.
590
00:34:14,790 --> 00:34:18,360
From Melbourne,
Australia, Tas Pappas!
591
00:34:20,997 --> 00:34:23,398
There was a bit of
push and pull all year
592
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,900
between me, Ben and Hawk.
593
00:34:24,902 --> 00:34:27,536
Tas Pappas opening the door.
594
00:34:27,538 --> 00:34:30,472
Kickflip indy. Wow!
595
00:34:30,474 --> 00:34:32,607
I just remember
going to each comp
596
00:34:32,609 --> 00:34:34,209
and we'd be doing latest tricks.
597
00:34:34,211 --> 00:34:36,111
Tas really had a good run.
598
00:34:36,113 --> 00:34:39,548
Hawk was still
just doing his normal stuff.
599
00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:41,883
He wasn't flipping his board
or any of that stuff,
600
00:34:41,885 --> 00:34:43,919
and he would be winning
the comps still.
601
00:34:43,921 --> 00:34:45,554
We were a bit mind-boggled.
602
00:34:45,556 --> 00:34:47,989
And the judges scored a 90.
603
00:34:47,991 --> 00:34:49,691
That means we are deadlocked
604
00:34:49,693 --> 00:34:52,394
and we will have a run-off
for the championship.
605
00:34:52,396 --> 00:34:54,062
He's an amazing skater.
606
00:34:54,064 --> 00:34:56,831
I don't particularly like
his style.
607
00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:59,367
He just wasn't doing
the latest moves
608
00:34:59,369 --> 00:35:01,570
and it was a bit hard to cop
at times, you know.
609
00:35:06,509 --> 00:35:10,045
Oh, incredible!
Outstanding run by Ben.
610
00:35:10,047 --> 00:35:11,947
Then all of a sudden,
Ben went off.
611
00:35:11,949 --> 00:35:15,083
I think he got three firsts
in a row or something.
612
00:35:15,085 --> 00:35:17,519
He was just on this roll
at one point.
613
00:35:17,521 --> 00:35:18,987
Oh, my goodness!
614
00:35:18,989 --> 00:35:20,922
Ben Pappas
is the best skateboarder
615
00:35:20,924 --> 00:35:22,457
in the world right now.
616
00:35:22,459 --> 00:35:25,660
- You've got to be stoked.
- I'm stoked as.
617
00:35:25,662 --> 00:35:27,629
I was like, 'He beat me
again.'
618
00:35:27,631 --> 00:35:29,965
Then I'd beat him and
he's like, 'Grr, next comp.'
619
00:35:29,967 --> 00:35:31,666
Like, brotherly push.
620
00:35:31,668 --> 00:35:33,802
It was always been like that
since day one.
621
00:35:33,804 --> 00:35:37,005
Another fakie
into a 720. Holy cow!
622
00:35:37,007 --> 00:35:38,640
It got to a point
623
00:35:38,642 --> 00:35:40,709
we weren't even thinking
about anyone else.
624
00:35:40,711 --> 00:35:42,544
Hawk wasn't in there.
625
00:35:42,546 --> 00:35:44,946
It was just about pushing each
other further and further.
626
00:35:48,918 --> 00:35:51,853
We've been entering contests
ever since we were kids.
627
00:35:51,855 --> 00:35:53,822
It's all the same
when it comes down to it.
628
00:35:53,824 --> 00:35:56,224
It's just a contest. You're
there, you gotta do your best.
629
00:36:05,668 --> 00:36:07,736
I was told on the day
630
00:36:07,738 --> 00:36:13,508
'You and Ben are one point
apart from No.1 in the world.'
631
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:17,178
Ben just had to place higher
and he'd have had it.
632
00:36:17,180 --> 00:36:20,815
The crowd, are you guys ready?
633
00:36:22,486 --> 00:36:27,088
1996, Hard Rock Café
Vans World Championships.
634
00:36:32,828 --> 00:36:35,664
Tony Hawk
is banging trick after trick.
635
00:36:35,666 --> 00:36:38,767
Not a lot of skateboarders are
able to do what he is doing.
636
00:36:38,769 --> 00:36:40,769
Hawk did his normal run,
637
00:36:40,771 --> 00:36:44,105
which is a good run,
but it wasn't, like... great.
638
00:36:44,107 --> 00:36:47,142
Although
he does do a lot of tricks,
639
00:36:47,144 --> 00:36:49,778
the level of intensity
wasn't quite as high
640
00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:51,346
as some of the other skaters.
641
00:36:52,782 --> 00:36:54,883
Ben Pappas dropping in,
642
00:36:54,885 --> 00:36:58,486
dropping straight
into a huge kickflip indy.
643
00:36:58,488 --> 00:37:00,822
Winner of three previous events
644
00:37:00,824 --> 00:37:02,590
coming into this contest.
645
00:37:02,592 --> 00:37:04,426
It was a long, hard season
646
00:37:04,428 --> 00:37:06,748
and Ben has a tweaked lower
back, so he was struggling.
647
00:37:08,831 --> 00:37:11,066
So I decided it was up to me.
648
00:37:11,068 --> 00:37:13,601
I figured
I just had to Barnes it,
649
00:37:13,603 --> 00:37:15,904
and Barnesed it is what I did.
650
00:37:15,906 --> 00:37:18,373
Tas! Yeah!
651
00:37:38,461 --> 00:37:41,029
Let's give a little applause
for Tas Pappas right now.
652
00:37:41,031 --> 00:37:42,363
He's our No.1 qualifier.
653
00:38:08,023 --> 00:38:10,859
Hawk was a very smart
competition skater.
654
00:38:10,861 --> 00:38:13,862
He's a chess master
on a skateboard
655
00:38:13,864 --> 00:38:15,864
as far as a comp run
is concerned.
656
00:38:15,866 --> 00:38:17,746
But I wasn't interested in that.
657
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:31,179
I did my stuff
and I slammed on a 720
658
00:38:31,181 --> 00:38:33,348
and slid out and went bang.
659
00:38:36,685 --> 00:38:38,787
I knew straight away
I had broken my rib,
660
00:38:38,789 --> 00:38:42,557
but it didn't matter 'cause
I'd already done my best run
661
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:44,526
so I didn't think
I had to skate again.
662
00:38:44,528 --> 00:38:46,561
Was that enough
to beat Tony Hawk?
663
00:38:46,563 --> 00:38:48,563
What do you think?
What do you think?
664
00:38:58,374 --> 00:39:02,544
That is a dead tie,
so we are headed for a run-off
665
00:39:02,546 --> 00:39:04,813
with Tony Hawk and Tas Pappas.
666
00:39:04,815 --> 00:39:06,481
I didn't believe it.
667
00:39:06,483 --> 00:39:09,350
I was saying, 'Oh, my God,
what more can I do?'
668
00:39:09,352 --> 00:39:11,586
I remember Ben going off
to the judges,
669
00:39:11,588 --> 00:39:13,354
'How the hell is it
a head-to-head?
670
00:39:13,356 --> 00:39:14,989
He did kickflips 10ft high!'
671
00:39:14,991 --> 00:39:16,991
Now I gotta try again?
672
00:39:16,993 --> 00:39:18,993
And it was even harder
in the head-to-head
673
00:39:18,995 --> 00:39:21,396
because he would just be going
540, 540, 540, 540,
674
00:39:21,398 --> 00:39:23,631
air to fakie, 720, 540, 540,
grind, grind, grind.
675
00:39:23,633 --> 00:39:24,933
You know what I mean?
676
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:29,904
Well, in situations like this,
677
00:39:29,906 --> 00:39:32,473
you always have to favour
the veteran of the sport -
678
00:39:32,475 --> 00:39:34,142
he's been here before.
679
00:39:34,144 --> 00:39:36,544
Tony just doesn't fault.
680
00:39:40,449 --> 00:39:44,419
Tony dropped in, did his
run and did every single trick
681
00:39:44,421 --> 00:39:47,488
that he was pretty much
doing that day.
682
00:39:47,490 --> 00:39:49,023
I thought he had it in the bag.
683
00:39:49,025 --> 00:39:51,759
I thought,
'Tony's definitely got it.'
684
00:40:06,742 --> 00:40:09,077
I was on top of the roll in...
685
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:11,713
..and I'm like, 'What have I
got to lose now?'
686
00:40:11,715 --> 00:40:15,049
My rib's already broken so
I may as well just go for it.
687
00:40:15,051 --> 00:40:18,653
If I didn't win, I just wanted
to be known as the guy
688
00:40:18,655 --> 00:40:22,423
who went completely ballistic.
689
00:40:22,425 --> 00:40:24,759
Are you ready for Tas Pappas?
690
00:40:24,761 --> 00:40:28,129
Look at that, just going giant!
691
00:40:32,468 --> 00:40:34,235
Oh, my goodness!
692
00:40:34,237 --> 00:40:36,237
Oh, my God.
693
00:40:42,678 --> 00:40:45,647
Fakie, 540 to fakie, one of
the hardest tricks you can do.
694
00:40:47,082 --> 00:40:49,751
Oh!
695
00:40:49,753 --> 00:40:54,923
That was amazing. Going to be
a tough call for the judges.
696
00:40:54,925 --> 00:40:57,659
Was that enough
to beat Tony Hawk?
697
00:40:57,661 --> 00:40:59,661
- What do you think?
698
00:41:03,132 --> 00:41:05,967
Well, it's kind of déjà vu
in Las Vegas,
699
00:41:05,969 --> 00:41:09,470
Tony Hawk and Tas Pappas
went head-to-head for a final.
700
00:41:09,472 --> 00:41:11,606
They did it again today,
as you saw,
701
00:41:11,608 --> 00:41:13,708
and I'm gonna tell him
for the first time.
702
00:41:13,710 --> 00:41:15,443
Tas, you're the champion,
703
00:41:15,445 --> 00:41:17,946
I don't know if you know that,
but you won the contest.
704
00:41:17,948 --> 00:41:20,148
- Did I? No...
- You won the contest.
705
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:22,684
- You're serious?
- Yes, you did.
706
00:41:22,686 --> 00:41:24,452
- Nah.
707
00:41:24,454 --> 00:41:27,088
An unbelievable reaction
because I know, Tas...
708
00:41:27,090 --> 00:41:28,723
I didn't believe it.
709
00:41:28,725 --> 00:41:30,558
I thought they were
taking the piss.
710
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,061
Then after that, I was like,
'No way.'
711
00:41:33,063 --> 00:41:36,197
Are you stoked right now? What
are you thinking right now?
712
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:38,533
- You're in disbelief.
- I don't believe you.
713
00:41:45,541 --> 00:41:48,309
It felt sick!
You're at the top.
714
00:41:50,012 --> 00:41:51,913
You're on the best teams,
715
00:41:51,915 --> 00:41:54,015
you're affiliated
with the best guys,
716
00:41:54,017 --> 00:41:55,683
winning comps.
717
00:41:55,685 --> 00:41:58,419
That was the goal -
to be there, to do that.
718
00:41:59,922 --> 00:42:02,023
It was bloody amazing really.
719
00:42:02,025 --> 00:42:05,526
When they called
it, it was like, 'Holy shit!'
720
00:42:05,528 --> 00:42:07,095
Yeah, that was amazing.
721
00:42:07,097 --> 00:42:11,699
I will never forget the day.
I was just blown away.
722
00:42:11,701 --> 00:42:14,902
Afterwards, Hawk
was sort of angry and cut,
723
00:42:14,904 --> 00:42:17,638
and he came up and he's
looked at me, he's like,
724
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,675
'Uh, I just feel like
I should have won that.'
725
00:42:20,677 --> 00:42:23,845
Then Ben's just come out,
going, 'Fuck off, Hawk.
726
00:42:23,847 --> 00:42:27,115
All year, they have been
giving you the comps
727
00:42:27,117 --> 00:42:31,119
and you come to us, "Uh,
I think I should have won!"'
728
00:42:31,121 --> 00:42:34,722
And Ben goes,
'Why can't you just be happy
729
00:42:34,724 --> 00:42:37,025
for someone else
who's done it, man?
730
00:42:37,027 --> 00:42:38,793
You don't flip your board!'
731
00:42:38,795 --> 00:42:42,563
He goes, 'Fuck off, old man.
You're over.'
732
00:42:42,565 --> 00:42:45,600
Because Ben went to bat for me
so hard,
733
00:42:45,602 --> 00:42:48,536
I was thinking,
'Do I do the right thing here?
734
00:42:48,538 --> 00:42:50,405
No, Ben.'
735
00:42:50,407 --> 00:42:52,573
I couldn't leave Ben with it
and have Hawk hate Ben's guts
736
00:42:52,575 --> 00:42:54,175
and not hate my guts
at the same time.
737
00:42:54,177 --> 00:42:56,377
'If my brother's going off
for me this hard,
738
00:42:56,379 --> 00:42:58,112
I won't have him
look like the only dick.
739
00:42:58,114 --> 00:42:59,714
I'll be a dick with him.
740
00:42:59,716 --> 00:43:01,749
Yeah, fuck off, Hawk,
you fucking wanker!
741
00:43:01,751 --> 00:43:04,886
You can't even flip your
board, you old prick.'
742
00:43:04,888 --> 00:43:10,425
And that's one of the things
that led to our feud.
743
00:43:10,427 --> 00:43:13,161
Tas did a really good job
at burning bridges.
744
00:43:13,163 --> 00:43:16,831
You know, he thoroughly would
burn down the bridge.
745
00:43:16,833 --> 00:43:19,667
It wasn't like he stepped on
someone's toes
746
00:43:19,669 --> 00:43:23,037
and then worked it out with
them or anything -
747
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:24,739
he would step on your toes,
748
00:43:24,741 --> 00:43:26,621
spit in your face
and, 'Fuck you!'
749
00:43:30,012 --> 00:43:32,713
No, it's not New York.
750
00:43:32,715 --> 00:43:34,782
It's Melbourne's Prahran
skate ramp
751
00:43:34,784 --> 00:43:38,519
where the Pappas brothers have
come home to a hero's welcome.
752
00:43:38,521 --> 00:43:40,888
I've had tapes of them
when they were younger.
753
00:43:40,890 --> 00:43:42,757
They weren't as good.
754
00:43:42,759 --> 00:43:44,926
And now they've reached the
top and they're the best now.
755
00:43:44,928 --> 00:43:47,528
They've got the technique,
everything, soul,
756
00:43:47,530 --> 00:43:50,498
whatever it takes, they've
got it and they did it.
757
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:52,967
Tas Pappas
and his younger brother Ben
758
00:43:52,969 --> 00:43:57,105
are now the world's No.1 and 2
ranked skateboarders.
759
00:43:57,107 --> 00:43:58,973
I just did it to pass time
760
00:43:58,975 --> 00:44:01,542
and then it started working
out for the better.
761
00:44:01,544 --> 00:44:04,178
I couldn't believe it
myself, you know.
762
00:44:04,180 --> 00:44:07,682
I thought they would probably
get in the top ten or five,
763
00:44:07,684 --> 00:44:11,452
but I never expected them
to take it that far.
764
00:44:11,454 --> 00:44:14,088
I am a professional athlete.
I'm about to do an interview.
765
00:44:14,090 --> 00:44:16,090
We went back home to celebrate.
766
00:44:16,092 --> 00:44:17,859
We were just on such a high,
767
00:44:17,861 --> 00:44:19,760
we just didn't want the party
to end.
768
00:44:19,762 --> 00:44:23,698
Everywhere we went, we had a
few casual lines of coke,
769
00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:26,901
which turned into
three weeks at a time.
770
00:44:26,903 --> 00:44:28,636
Yeah, it was party time.
771
00:44:28,638 --> 00:44:30,671
Come in, James, are you there?
772
00:44:30,673 --> 00:44:33,908
Tas Pappas, everyone,
give him a round of applause!
773
00:44:36,513 --> 00:44:39,714
Tas, can I ask a question?
You are world champion.
774
00:44:39,716 --> 00:44:41,782
You won the $10,000 prize or so
775
00:44:41,784 --> 00:44:43,551
recently up against Tony Hawk
776
00:44:43,553 --> 00:44:45,019
and you did it
with a broken rib.
777
00:44:45,021 --> 00:44:46,787
How did that happen?
778
00:44:46,789 --> 00:44:51,759
That was in my final run.
I slammed and smacked my ribs.
779
00:44:51,761 --> 00:44:54,829
Watching TV and Hey,
Hey, It's Saturday came on,
780
00:44:54,831 --> 00:44:56,597
and I saw Ben and Tas,
781
00:44:56,599 --> 00:44:59,400
and I went, 'Oh, my God!'
782
00:44:59,402 --> 00:45:02,003
They were completely bonkers.
783
00:45:02,005 --> 00:45:03,671
This is Tas's brother, Ben.
784
00:45:03,673 --> 00:45:05,640
They were just all pumped up,
785
00:45:05,642 --> 00:45:08,142
egos were flying
and high as fuck.
786
00:45:08,144 --> 00:45:10,077
..brother on the world circuit
with you?
787
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,480
I'm stoked to have Tas
on the world tour. It's rad.
788
00:45:12,482 --> 00:45:14,048
We get to cruise around, skate.
789
00:45:14,050 --> 00:45:15,516
Yeah, I think he likes it too.
790
00:45:15,518 --> 00:45:18,853
A whole new lingo thing
going on here.
791
00:45:18,855 --> 00:45:20,621
Thank the boys
792
00:45:20,623 --> 00:45:22,156
for showing us what they do.
793
00:45:22,158 --> 00:45:24,859
We're proud to have the
No.1 and No.2 in the world.
794
00:45:24,861 --> 00:45:26,494
Yeah, these guys rock.
795
00:45:26,496 --> 00:45:28,362
- Whoa!
- Heavy slam!
796
00:45:33,802 --> 00:45:35,069
Tas!
797
00:45:36,672 --> 00:45:38,172
Hey, Tas.
798
00:45:38,174 --> 00:45:40,708
What's in your mouth?
799
00:45:43,580 --> 00:45:45,980
I was training
with Danny's trainer.
800
00:45:45,982 --> 00:45:49,750
I just was feeling pain and he
did a full check on my body,
801
00:45:49,752 --> 00:45:51,652
X-rayed everything
802
00:45:51,654 --> 00:45:53,895
and then it turned I out
I had spondylolisthesis.
803
00:45:55,524 --> 00:45:58,459
Spondylolisthesis
is where the vertebrae
804
00:45:58,461 --> 00:45:59,827
breaks off the wings.
805
00:45:59,829 --> 00:46:01,696
My spinal cord
was jammed down the bottom.
806
00:46:01,698 --> 00:46:05,433
He told Danny,
'Don't force Tas to skate.
807
00:46:05,435 --> 00:46:07,501
He'll end up paralysed.'
808
00:46:07,503 --> 00:46:09,870
He told him, 'He needs some
time to get strong'.
809
00:46:09,872 --> 00:46:12,106
I ended up paying him ten
grand to do my physio.
810
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:15,376
Do you want a Jack-and-coke?
811
00:46:15,378 --> 00:46:18,813
When I'd get injured,
I'd just go party,
812
00:46:18,815 --> 00:46:20,982
I'm not going to sit at home
doing this and that.
813
00:46:20,984 --> 00:46:22,617
I'd just get on it.
814
00:46:22,619 --> 00:46:25,052
What are you going to do
when you're young,
815
00:46:25,054 --> 00:46:26,787
you've been on top of the world,
816
00:46:26,789 --> 00:46:29,690
you've got major injury,
you're thinking this and that?
817
00:46:29,692 --> 00:46:31,459
You're going to party,
aren't you?
818
00:46:31,461 --> 00:46:33,494
Once you've already
got a habit, why stop?
819
00:46:33,496 --> 00:46:35,096
You've got money,
you've got this,
820
00:46:35,098 --> 00:46:37,018
you think
it's never going to end.
821
00:46:38,533 --> 00:46:41,535
Going from
nothing and then making money
822
00:46:41,537 --> 00:46:44,639
and you're that young
and you're in a foreign land,
823
00:46:44,641 --> 00:46:45,906
it's got to be weird.
824
00:46:45,908 --> 00:46:48,576
All of a sudden you can do shit.
825
00:46:48,578 --> 00:46:51,412
When those guys started making
a lot of money,
826
00:46:51,414 --> 00:46:54,515
they got a nice house,
they were cruising around
827
00:46:54,517 --> 00:46:56,784
and having a good fucking time
for a while.
828
00:46:56,786 --> 00:46:58,519
Everything was great.
829
00:46:58,521 --> 00:47:02,690
But then...
fucking doing drugs and stuff,
830
00:47:02,692 --> 00:47:04,625
that definitely fucks you up.
831
00:47:04,627 --> 00:47:06,761
Everyone looks better in gold.
The gold rim.
832
00:47:06,763 --> 00:47:08,829
I would always have
tonnes of coke on me.
833
00:47:08,831 --> 00:47:10,731
I had a pound of coke
at one time
834
00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:12,433
just sitting in my dresser,
835
00:47:12,435 --> 00:47:14,802
Didn't even think
if I got caught I'd get time.
836
00:47:14,804 --> 00:47:16,671
I remember waking up
in the mornings,
837
00:47:16,673 --> 00:47:18,139
I had a big brick of this shit,
838
00:47:18,141 --> 00:47:20,608
and I had a mad knife
in my top dresser.
839
00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:22,143
I'd wake up,
and it was sharp as,
840
00:47:22,145 --> 00:47:24,045
and I'd just scrape
the top of the brick
841
00:47:24,047 --> 00:47:25,680
and then...
842
00:47:25,682 --> 00:47:27,148
Straight off the knife,
843
00:47:27,150 --> 00:47:29,183
and just have it sitting there
at all times.
844
00:47:29,185 --> 00:47:33,454
Lee Ralph came over and
I'd break off a good chunk,
845
00:47:33,456 --> 00:47:35,489
and do it until it was gone.
846
00:47:35,491 --> 00:47:38,626
I liked to buy in bulk
back in those days.
847
00:47:41,396 --> 00:47:43,764
Those fucking guys went nuts.
848
00:47:43,766 --> 00:47:46,667
Going over to their house
to pick up Tas
849
00:47:46,669 --> 00:47:50,738
to go film with him one night,
and he's doing coke.
850
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:53,074
There was a mound of it.
It looked like Scarface.
851
00:47:53,076 --> 00:47:55,443
I mean, it was, like,
a mound of cocaine.
852
00:47:55,445 --> 00:47:57,378
Like, 'Hey, Lance,
want to do some?'
853
00:47:57,380 --> 00:48:00,214
And I'm like, 'All right.'
854
00:48:06,388 --> 00:48:08,089
He'd bring some along with him
855
00:48:08,091 --> 00:48:10,825
and we're driving
to the Plan B ramp
856
00:48:10,827 --> 00:48:13,794
and we get pulled over
by the cops.
857
00:48:13,796 --> 00:48:16,430
Get out of the car.
858
00:48:16,432 --> 00:48:18,833
I'm like,
'Oh, shit, dude.'
859
00:48:18,835 --> 00:48:21,135
I know he's got it with him.
860
00:48:21,137 --> 00:48:23,604
Get your driver's licence out.
861
00:48:23,606 --> 00:48:25,606
They're like,
'What are you guys doing?'
862
00:48:25,608 --> 00:48:27,041
'We're about
to skate a ramp.'
863
00:48:27,043 --> 00:48:28,776
The cops are like,
'Yeah, right.'
864
00:48:28,778 --> 00:48:30,811
I'm like, 'Look,
there's the skateboard,
865
00:48:30,813 --> 00:48:32,813
all the pads.
Want to watch?'
866
00:48:32,815 --> 00:48:34,982
What's this contraption on here?
867
00:48:34,984 --> 00:48:36,817
- It's a skateboard.
- A what?
868
00:48:36,819 --> 00:48:38,652
We got away with that one
869
00:48:38,654 --> 00:48:41,489
and I'm like, 'Fuck, man, we
almost got busted for that.'
870
00:48:41,491 --> 00:48:42,890
That's when I was like,
871
00:48:42,892 --> 00:48:45,726
'Man, you've got to stop
doing that shit.'
872
00:48:45,728 --> 00:48:47,795
Let me film all this shit.
873
00:48:47,797 --> 00:48:49,430
I'll fucking film it.
874
00:48:56,605 --> 00:48:58,873
There was definitely
875
00:48:58,875 --> 00:49:01,776
more partying that went on
than skateboarding,
876
00:49:01,778 --> 00:49:05,746
and Tas became impossible
to deal with.
877
00:49:05,748 --> 00:49:08,616
You fucking rule, mate.
878
00:49:08,618 --> 00:49:11,752
I'm the same as you guys.
We all skate. We skate.
879
00:49:11,754 --> 00:49:13,120
Yeah!
880
00:49:13,122 --> 00:49:16,590
I'm just the same.
I just got lucky.
881
00:49:16,592 --> 00:49:20,528
I could be God fucking...
882
00:49:20,530 --> 00:49:24,498
Fact of the matter is it's
the skaters for the skaters
883
00:49:24,500 --> 00:49:27,668
and fucking Platinum
is for the skaters.
884
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:29,703
- Yeah!
- You guys rule.
885
00:49:29,705 --> 00:49:32,139
The Vegas
contest we all went out to,
886
00:49:32,141 --> 00:49:36,977
I remember Tas getting so
wasted and so belligerent
887
00:49:36,979 --> 00:49:38,946
he didn't even skate
the contest.
888
00:49:42,652 --> 00:49:44,552
- Who rules?
889
00:49:44,554 --> 00:49:46,086
- Who rules?
890
00:49:46,088 --> 00:49:48,456
He went up
on top of the platform
891
00:49:48,458 --> 00:49:50,124
and we had a box of XYZ stuff
892
00:49:50,126 --> 00:49:53,594
he was throwing out to the
crowd during a contest run.
893
00:49:57,999 --> 00:50:02,536
The main chick that ran the
contest tried to stop him.
894
00:50:02,538 --> 00:50:05,940
He's called her a cunt, told
her to fuck off, you know.
895
00:50:05,942 --> 00:50:10,110
It got the crowd away
from the contest, chanting.
896
00:50:14,116 --> 00:50:16,717
Louder!
897
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,986
He disrupted the whole event.
898
00:50:18,988 --> 00:50:20,921
At the time he was so drunk,
899
00:50:20,923 --> 00:50:23,557
I don't think he saw really
what he was doing.
900
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:26,727
He was just stoked on the
energy that he was creating.
901
00:50:26,729 --> 00:50:30,664
X-Y-Z! Platinum!
902
00:50:32,435 --> 00:50:34,101
Platinum!
903
00:50:34,103 --> 00:50:36,871
Everywhere Tas went was
like a fucking tornado, man.
904
00:50:36,873 --> 00:50:38,839
He just truly
didn't give a shit.
905
00:50:38,841 --> 00:50:42,543
XYZ, Platinum!
Or I'll fuck your mum!
906
00:50:42,545 --> 00:50:44,945
I'll fuck your mum.
907
00:50:44,947 --> 00:50:47,648
Tommy was like,
'Why aren't you skating?'
908
00:50:47,650 --> 00:50:49,917
I think he was starting
to confuse the issue
909
00:50:49,919 --> 00:50:52,386
with my partying as to
just not wanting to skate.
910
00:50:53,922 --> 00:50:57,691
That's when the downfall
started.
911
00:50:57,693 --> 00:51:00,160
Right there was when
it started to go sour.
912
00:51:09,938 --> 00:51:12,172
We just had good times.
913
00:51:12,174 --> 00:51:15,109
We drank a lot, smoked a
lot of weed and just partied.
914
00:51:15,111 --> 00:51:16,210
Had a good time.
915
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:21,782
Me, Ben and Sanchez
were always smoking bongs,
916
00:51:21,784 --> 00:51:24,385
doing snow cones, smoking coke.
917
00:51:27,622 --> 00:51:30,157
We thought that the money
was never going to stop.
918
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,993
I was No.1 in the world
and Danny Way had his name,
919
00:51:32,995 --> 00:51:35,115
and we were killing it
and we were rock stars.
920
00:51:39,135 --> 00:51:43,170
- Holy shit!
921
00:51:43,172 --> 00:51:46,240
- He just went off.
- That was fucking insane.
922
00:51:46,242 --> 00:51:47,908
I thought I'd get burned.
923
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:50,111
I thought this house was
going up in flames, dude.
924
00:51:58,653 --> 00:52:00,854
When you start making
a lot of money,
925
00:52:00,856 --> 00:52:02,856
a lot of shit
comes along with that.
926
00:52:02,858 --> 00:52:07,595
People get ego-driven
and greedy.
927
00:52:07,597 --> 00:52:10,998
You get a shitload of people
that pretend to be your friend
928
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,566
just to get stuff out of you,
929
00:52:12,568 --> 00:52:14,435
especially where money
is involved.
930
00:52:14,437 --> 00:52:15,970
Shit can get pretty messy.
931
00:52:17,038 --> 00:52:19,640
Oh, my God!
932
00:52:19,642 --> 00:52:21,375
- Jesus!
933
00:52:26,881 --> 00:52:29,750
There was
no direction in the company.
934
00:52:29,752 --> 00:52:32,219
How you survive in
skateboarding is basically
935
00:52:32,221 --> 00:52:34,088
you get a good team
and you film a video
936
00:52:34,090 --> 00:52:36,523
and you make good products.
It's that simple.
937
00:52:36,525 --> 00:52:38,759
But there was no direction
at all.
938
00:52:38,761 --> 00:52:42,463
Danny would send me to San
Diego to skate and film,
939
00:52:42,465 --> 00:52:45,432
and I would skate vert,
I am a street skater.
940
00:52:45,434 --> 00:52:49,236
So... nothing was very
organised at all.
941
00:52:54,876 --> 00:52:57,544
It seemed like XYZ
all of a sudden,
942
00:52:57,546 --> 00:53:00,814
which was part of Platinum,
they had built this huge ramp,
943
00:53:00,816 --> 00:53:03,617
one of the first really big
ramps, at this warehouse.
944
00:53:03,619 --> 00:53:07,755
Now these guys had this really
gnarly practice facility
945
00:53:07,757 --> 00:53:10,491
or vert ramp to themselves.
946
00:53:10,493 --> 00:53:11,825
Everyone was like, 'What?'
947
00:53:11,827 --> 00:53:13,747
You'd never seen anything
like that.
948
00:53:15,964 --> 00:53:18,799
Danny and Tommy
never listened to budgets,
949
00:53:18,801 --> 00:53:20,501
and then the investors are like,
950
00:53:20,503 --> 00:53:22,536
'What's going on with the
money from XYZ?'
951
00:53:22,538 --> 00:53:23,937
It was just dwindling away.
952
00:53:23,939 --> 00:53:26,106
And I couldn't skate
because of the back,
953
00:53:26,108 --> 00:53:28,142
but I was still blinded
by the light,
954
00:53:28,144 --> 00:53:30,577
sniffing the lines of coke
from hell.
955
00:53:30,579 --> 00:53:32,459
'Yeah, whatever, I'm the
best.'
956
00:53:37,085 --> 00:53:39,953
I disagreed
with the money-spending thing.
957
00:53:39,955 --> 00:53:41,889
I thought it was stupid.
958
00:53:41,891 --> 00:53:43,791
Fucking buying dumb shit
and I'm like,
959
00:53:43,793 --> 00:53:47,828
'We don't need that.
We're a young company.'
960
00:53:47,830 --> 00:53:51,498
It felt like they expected me
to be 'Fuck, let's go for it.'
961
00:53:51,500 --> 00:53:53,033
No.
962
00:53:53,035 --> 00:53:54,935
You need to put the money back
into the company.
963
00:53:54,937 --> 00:53:58,472
You don't start buying
fucking vans
964
00:53:58,474 --> 00:54:02,710
and stupid shit we don't need
and partying and... Eugh.
965
00:54:02,712 --> 00:54:05,112
I just wanted to make it
in skateboarding,
966
00:54:05,114 --> 00:54:06,955
and that's why I got out of it.
967
00:54:09,751 --> 00:54:11,618
They came and picked me up,
968
00:54:11,620 --> 00:54:13,153
took me for a drive
969
00:54:13,155 --> 00:54:16,623
and Danny and Tommy
were in the car.
970
00:54:16,625 --> 00:54:20,027
They said 'Listen, we're gonna
have to let you go.
971
00:54:20,029 --> 00:54:23,630
Platinum is no more.
972
00:54:23,632 --> 00:54:26,400
There's just no more money.
973
00:54:26,402 --> 00:54:29,870
And we hate to break it to you,
974
00:54:29,872 --> 00:54:32,639
but your dad embezzled
the money, he took the money.
975
00:54:32,641 --> 00:54:34,742
There's just no more money.'
976
00:54:34,744 --> 00:54:36,143
I went, 'What?'
977
00:54:36,145 --> 00:54:38,946
I was in the car going,
'You're fucking kidding.
978
00:54:38,948 --> 00:54:41,749
My dad wouldn't take money.
What are you talking about?'
979
00:54:41,751 --> 00:54:43,217
They fully tried to say
980
00:54:43,219 --> 00:54:45,018
my dad stole all the money
from the company,
981
00:54:45,020 --> 00:54:46,687
and then it got out
in the industry
982
00:54:46,689 --> 00:54:48,655
that that's what was said
about my dad
983
00:54:48,657 --> 00:54:49,790
and I wasn't having that.
984
00:54:52,026 --> 00:54:54,995
Kicking him
off the team wasn't easy.
985
00:54:54,997 --> 00:54:57,097
It was like, I had to deal
with this guy
986
00:54:57,099 --> 00:55:01,168
and it would now turn
into a little personal war.
987
00:55:01,170 --> 00:55:05,773
I felt at the time
I've put a lot into him,
988
00:55:05,775 --> 00:55:07,908
I helped him out
as much as I could
989
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:12,012
and he thoroughly, I felt,
fucked us over.
990
00:55:15,483 --> 00:55:18,385
I had a lot of resentment
and a lot of frustration
991
00:55:18,387 --> 00:55:20,053
and anger towards him
992
00:55:20,055 --> 00:55:21,789
where I wanted to fuck him up.
993
00:55:28,763 --> 00:55:30,898
We were sitting
at our house one night.
994
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:34,101
Next thing you know we hear
boom, boom on my roof.
995
00:55:34,103 --> 00:55:38,172
I go outside
and it's a fucking beer bottle
996
00:55:38,174 --> 00:55:40,140
with a sock on fire
and full of petrol.
997
00:55:40,142 --> 00:55:41,842
Lucky it didn't break.
998
00:55:41,844 --> 00:55:45,045
We heard fast footsteps.
It sounded like little legs.
999
00:55:45,047 --> 00:55:46,847
And Tommy has got little legs.
1000
00:55:46,849 --> 00:55:50,083
He tried to petrol bomb
the house.
1001
00:55:50,085 --> 00:55:53,420
I thought
'Fuck, this guy's off tap.'
1002
00:55:53,422 --> 00:55:58,025
I did things on my end
to let him know that
1003
00:55:58,027 --> 00:56:00,027
'I wanted you fucking
out of here, man.
1004
00:56:00,029 --> 00:56:03,130
We helped you get here
and you can leave now.'
1005
00:56:03,132 --> 00:56:05,599
We need to get the ball
rolling, all right?
1006
00:56:05,601 --> 00:56:06,900
All right.
1007
00:56:06,902 --> 00:56:08,802
Jump in off that
and go right here, OK?
1008
00:56:08,804 --> 00:56:10,365
OK, mate.
1009
00:56:12,006 --> 00:56:18,045
XYZ Platinum
both had fallen apart...
1010
00:56:18,047 --> 00:56:21,748
..and then sort of quickly
from everyone being
1011
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:24,117
this sort of band of brothers
mentality,
1012
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:27,054
there seemed to be
this huge falling-out
1013
00:56:27,056 --> 00:56:29,590
between Tas and Danny.
1014
00:56:29,592 --> 00:56:31,925
Then all of a sudden,
it was, like, cut ties
1015
00:56:31,927 --> 00:56:33,894
and Tas and Ben
were not even allowed
1016
00:56:33,896 --> 00:56:35,829
to skate the ramp any more.
1017
00:56:35,831 --> 00:56:38,398
It turned kind of ugly
really fast.
1018
00:56:40,501 --> 00:56:42,736
I started thinking,
'This is crap.
1019
00:56:42,738 --> 00:56:44,938
Is this really what
skateboarding is all about,
1020
00:56:44,940 --> 00:56:46,940
just backstabbing bullshit
over money?'
1021
00:56:46,942 --> 00:56:50,077
I hated it and Ben hated it.
1022
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:51,879
We'd be talking and Ben says,
1023
00:56:51,881 --> 00:56:53,914
'I can't handle the fakeness
over here.'
1024
00:56:53,916 --> 00:56:56,250
So he decided to go home
for a while.
1025
00:56:59,721 --> 00:57:02,055
We dropped Ben off at LAX.
1026
00:57:02,057 --> 00:57:06,493
So I slept in and then I woke
up to the phone ringing,
1027
00:57:06,495 --> 00:57:10,564
and it was Ben
at Melbourne Airport.
1028
00:57:10,566 --> 00:57:13,901
And all I heard Ben say was,
'Tas, I fucked up.'
1029
00:57:16,371 --> 00:57:19,106
Ben Pappas was
arrested at Melbourne Airport.
1030
00:57:19,108 --> 00:57:21,842
His credit card triggered
a high cocaine reading.
1031
00:57:21,844 --> 00:57:24,611
X-rays of his sneakers
revealed
1032
00:57:24,613 --> 00:57:29,750
103g of cocaine with a street
value of more than $50,000
1033
00:57:29,752 --> 00:57:31,184
concealed in the sole.
1034
00:57:31,186 --> 00:57:33,487
Ben Pappas and his brother, Tas,
1035
00:57:33,489 --> 00:57:36,690
are youth sensations,
idolised to the United States,
1036
00:57:36,692 --> 00:57:39,426
where skaters rub shoulders
with rock stars.
1037
00:57:39,428 --> 00:57:41,561
The pair is ranked one and two
in the world,
1038
00:57:41,563 --> 00:57:44,698
but such heights are now
likely to elude Ben Pappas
1039
00:57:44,700 --> 00:57:47,868
after he was caught smuggling
cocaine into Melbourne.
1040
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:50,437
As imports go,
it was only a small amount -
1041
00:57:50,439 --> 00:57:53,740
just over 100g
for his own personal use.
1042
00:57:53,742 --> 00:57:56,843
But importing the drug is
punishable by a hefty fine
1043
00:57:56,845 --> 00:57:58,745
or, at worst, a term in prison.
1044
00:57:58,747 --> 00:58:01,682
Whatever happens to him, it's
almost certain that Ben Pappas
1045
00:58:01,684 --> 00:58:04,004
will never be allowed into
the United States to compete.
1046
00:58:08,656 --> 00:58:11,591
That was just bloody
the most shattering phone call
1047
00:58:11,593 --> 00:58:14,561
because I knew Ben
couldn't come back.
1048
00:58:14,563 --> 00:58:16,483
That shattered me.
I cried and...
1049
00:58:17,432 --> 00:58:18,732
..I just couldn't believe it.
1050
00:58:20,568 --> 00:58:23,737
Picked up the paper
and it just was Ben Pappas,
1051
00:58:23,739 --> 00:58:29,109
busted at Melbourne Airport
for cocaine in his shoe.
1052
00:58:29,111 --> 00:58:32,379
You just thought,
'What the fuck are you doing?
1053
00:58:32,381 --> 00:58:33,947
You're blowing it.'
1054
00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:38,185
My jaw pretty much dropped.
1055
00:58:38,187 --> 00:58:41,555
I thought he was in the
motivation to become No.1.
1056
00:58:41,557 --> 00:58:45,158
I didn't think it was like Ben
to do that, bring it over.
1057
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,928
I used to get along with Ben
back in the day,
1058
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:52,499
so I kind of really
felt for him at the time.
1059
00:58:52,501 --> 00:58:55,569
I wanted to see him
get through it.
1060
00:58:55,571 --> 00:58:58,705
Being pro skaters
who are travelling a lot,
1061
00:58:58,707 --> 00:59:01,341
people always propositioned
each other.
1062
00:59:01,343 --> 00:59:03,343
'Imagine we just brought it
from here
1063
00:59:03,345 --> 00:59:05,112
because it's so much cheaper.'
1064
00:59:05,114 --> 00:59:10,517
But... you know not to run 'em
across borders.
1065
00:59:10,519 --> 00:59:14,654
The pay-off is not big enough.
1066
00:59:14,656 --> 00:59:16,776
Does it mean
the end of competition?
1067
00:59:20,061 --> 00:59:22,696
It beat him up big time.
1068
00:59:25,066 --> 00:59:27,768
He just had a lot of regret.
1069
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:29,403
He used to say to me,
1070
00:59:29,405 --> 00:59:31,738
'Fuck, if only I left my shoes
on the plane.'
1071
00:59:37,378 --> 00:59:39,046
He couldn't go overseas,
1072
00:59:39,048 --> 00:59:41,148
he couldn't travel
and make a living from it.
1073
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:44,651
For him, that was
a huge wake-up call, man -
1074
00:59:44,653 --> 00:59:47,187
coming from second in the world
1075
00:59:47,189 --> 00:59:50,891
to, like, rock bottom,
that's it.
1076
00:59:50,893 --> 00:59:54,227
That would be a spear through
the heart, pretty much.
1077
00:59:57,799 --> 00:59:59,399
I was shattered.
1078
00:59:59,401 --> 01:00:02,202
My partner in crime has gone.
1079
01:00:02,204 --> 01:00:04,871
I'm gonna be touring the world
alone now.
1080
01:00:04,873 --> 01:00:09,476
Any country I go in, no-one's
really got my back any more.
1081
01:00:09,478 --> 01:00:12,579
It was me and Ben against
the world. Now it's only me.
1082
01:00:19,754 --> 01:00:21,221
What are you guys up to?
1083
01:00:21,223 --> 01:00:23,490
- We're just looking around.
- Hello!
1084
01:00:23,492 --> 01:00:25,859
- You can sign right here.
- All right.
1085
01:00:27,528 --> 01:00:30,664
- What's your name?
- Gabe.
1086
01:00:30,666 --> 01:00:34,201
I was living with Tas
when Ben got caught.
1087
01:00:34,203 --> 01:00:36,283
I remember everyone
was kind of devastated.
1088
01:00:37,572 --> 01:00:39,739
Switch ollie.
1089
01:00:39,741 --> 01:00:41,074
Dude, this is it!
1090
01:00:41,076 --> 01:00:43,043
I started filming him a lot,
1091
01:00:43,045 --> 01:00:45,912
That's when he started doing
the 900, and he was so close.
1092
01:00:50,852 --> 01:00:52,653
- Whoa!
- Fuck off!
1093
01:00:56,524 --> 01:00:59,693
After Ben got busted,
I was thinking,
1094
01:00:59,695 --> 01:01:01,394
'It's time to knuckle down,
1095
01:01:01,396 --> 01:01:04,631
try to kick the doors open
again for me and Ben,
1096
01:01:04,633 --> 01:01:07,067
like I did when I first came
to the States.
1097
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:09,102
If I nail the nine
that could lead me to money
1098
01:01:09,104 --> 01:01:11,071
which could help
get my brother back.'
1099
01:01:11,073 --> 01:01:12,472
Tas!
1100
01:01:12,474 --> 01:01:14,174
Do a 900.
1101
01:01:14,176 --> 01:01:17,911
The 900 was something
that's never been done before,
1102
01:01:17,913 --> 01:01:19,279
and it was very scary.
1103
01:01:21,516 --> 01:01:25,185
A 540 is one and a half spins.
1104
01:01:25,187 --> 01:01:28,488
With a 900, you go up,
you do a 540
1105
01:01:28,490 --> 01:01:30,824
and another 360, bang.
1106
01:01:35,796 --> 01:01:37,564
Whoo!
1107
01:01:37,566 --> 01:01:38,798
He was so close,
1108
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,567
landing on 'em,
almost making it.
1109
01:01:40,569 --> 01:01:43,170
We had a couple of people
from Transworld Magazine
1110
01:01:43,172 --> 01:01:45,772
come and shoot sequences of Tas.
1111
01:01:45,774 --> 01:01:50,443
Yeah, he's gonna do it,
Grant. You want to bet 100?
1112
01:01:50,445 --> 01:01:52,979
Grant Brittain, he's
an old-school photographer
1113
01:01:52,981 --> 01:01:55,982
who works for Transworld
who's shot Hawk for years.
1114
01:01:55,984 --> 01:01:58,685
He shot all his photos,
they've been mates for years.
1115
01:01:58,687 --> 01:02:02,022
I just thought, 'Sick,
Grant's being cool again.'
1116
01:02:04,158 --> 01:02:05,625
Oh!
1117
01:02:05,627 --> 01:02:07,060
You've got to get him
to free run.
1118
01:02:07,062 --> 01:02:08,728
What?
1119
01:02:08,730 --> 01:02:10,850
Get him over there
when he's hyping up for it.
1120
01:02:17,939 --> 01:02:19,105
Yes!
1121
01:02:21,842 --> 01:02:23,443
- Oh!
- Yeah!
1122
01:02:25,413 --> 01:02:27,047
He almost made it.
1123
01:02:27,049 --> 01:02:30,650
He was way high,
way high in the air
1124
01:02:30,652 --> 01:02:33,186
and almost making them.
1125
01:02:33,188 --> 01:02:36,189
It was like a legit 900.
1126
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,127
He heard that everyone
at Transworld,
1127
01:02:41,129 --> 01:02:43,930
Hawk and everyone was
gonna look at his sequences.
1128
01:02:43,932 --> 01:02:46,800
The Hawkman, everyone went
and studied his work.
1129
01:02:46,802 --> 01:02:49,903
I was just about there
and I was thinking it was on.
1130
01:02:49,905 --> 01:02:52,539
Then I was thinking, 'I'll
do it at the '99 X Games.'
1131
01:02:55,376 --> 01:02:59,613
From Melbourne,
Australia, it's Tas Pappas
1132
01:02:59,615 --> 01:03:02,482
and just from watching him
in practice,
1133
01:03:02,484 --> 01:03:05,418
after being gone from pro
skating for a little while,
1134
01:03:05,420 --> 01:03:07,087
the man is on a mission.
1135
01:03:07,089 --> 01:03:10,824
This guy has
been going off all day today
1136
01:03:10,826 --> 01:03:12,626
and all day yesterday
in practice.
1137
01:03:12,628 --> 01:03:14,427
He's on fire.
1138
01:03:14,429 --> 01:03:17,030
Has got so much
confidence going on right now.
1139
01:03:17,032 --> 01:03:18,865
I want to see the 900.
1140
01:03:18,867 --> 01:03:21,034
Phenomenal.
I think he's gonna save that
1141
01:03:21,036 --> 01:03:24,638
maybe for the best trick
contest if he's in it.
1142
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,973
Tas and Bill
were just super psyched
1143
01:03:26,975 --> 01:03:29,876
because there was
a best trick contest.
1144
01:03:29,878 --> 01:03:34,481
But for some reason,
they didn't let Tas skate.
1145
01:03:34,483 --> 01:03:36,416
I've done the comp,
this and that.
1146
01:03:36,418 --> 01:03:38,685
I've been doing all right
and Don Bostick's like,
1147
01:03:38,687 --> 01:03:40,854
'You're not in the best trick
comp this year.'
1148
01:03:40,856 --> 01:03:42,222
I'm like, 'What do you mean?
1149
01:03:42,224 --> 01:03:44,958
I've been in every
best trick comp all year
1150
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,493
for the last few years.
1151
01:03:46,495 --> 01:03:48,528
Why just out of nowhere
just this one?'
1152
01:03:48,530 --> 01:03:52,766
They said, 'You're not in it.'
I said, 'Well, who is in it?'
1153
01:03:52,768 --> 01:03:54,734
Tony Hawk, Tony Hawk.
1154
01:04:01,909 --> 01:04:03,810
It's the 900.
1155
01:04:03,812 --> 01:04:05,653
You guys wanted to see it done?
1156
01:04:06,781 --> 01:04:09,049
Then the best trick comp started
1157
01:04:09,051 --> 01:04:10,984
and I saw Hawk
start trying nines.
1158
01:04:10,986 --> 01:04:14,854
And I was just like, 'No way.'
1159
01:04:22,096 --> 01:04:24,197
Tas was devastated.
1160
01:04:24,199 --> 01:04:26,066
Because that was it -
1161
01:04:26,068 --> 01:04:28,768
if he would have entered that
contest he would have did it
1162
01:04:28,770 --> 01:04:30,690
because he's that kind
of skater.
1163
01:04:34,109 --> 01:04:35,842
Everybody picture it.
Here we go.
1164
01:04:35,844 --> 01:04:37,977
I thought,
'What a weasel manoeuvre.
1165
01:04:37,979 --> 01:04:39,679
At least give me a chance.'
1166
01:04:39,681 --> 01:04:41,548
He probably would have
beaten me to it,
1167
01:04:41,550 --> 01:04:43,850
but at least I could have had
a shot for shot for it,
1168
01:04:43,852 --> 01:04:45,151
you know what I mean?
1169
01:04:57,631 --> 01:04:59,666
When Tony Hawk did the 900,
1170
01:04:59,668 --> 01:05:01,634
I was there, I witnessed it.
1171
01:05:01,636 --> 01:05:04,537
I didn't think it was
all that impressive
1172
01:05:04,539 --> 01:05:07,474
compared to what I saw
Tas doing.
1173
01:05:07,476 --> 01:05:09,175
I know he would've
at least tried it.
1174
01:05:09,177 --> 01:05:11,878
Don't know if he'd have nailed
it, but he'd have tried it.
1175
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,514
It would have made Tony Hawk's
900 less impressive.
1176
01:05:14,516 --> 01:05:17,417
If it weren't for you people
I'd have never made that.
1177
01:05:17,419 --> 01:05:20,019
Thank you. This is
the best day of my life.
1178
01:05:20,021 --> 01:05:21,521
I swear to God.
1179
01:05:31,799 --> 01:05:37,871
I realised right then and
there who I was up against.
1180
01:05:37,873 --> 01:05:39,806
It didn't matter how good I was
1181
01:05:39,808 --> 01:05:41,808
or how close
I was getting to something,
1182
01:05:41,810 --> 01:05:44,944
it was just, 'Stuff you.
Piss off home, Aussie.'
1183
01:05:54,889 --> 01:05:56,623
Ahh!
1184
01:05:59,693 --> 01:06:02,128
Leave it there, you cunts.
1185
01:06:02,130 --> 01:06:06,733
I hadn't seen Ben for
two years after he got busted.
1186
01:06:06,735 --> 01:06:09,502
He just disappeared again.
1187
01:06:09,504 --> 01:06:12,939
But then I saw him in the city
just off chance,
1188
01:06:12,941 --> 01:06:15,608
and he was completely
a different person -
1189
01:06:15,610 --> 01:06:18,678
stacked on the kilos,
just mega overweight.
1190
01:06:22,383 --> 01:06:25,785
You filming again?
1191
01:06:25,787 --> 01:06:28,888
He was just doing a lot
of drugs and playing music.
1192
01:06:28,890 --> 01:06:31,024
He totally did not skate.
1193
01:06:31,026 --> 01:06:33,726
He reckons he didn't skate for
about a year, year and a half
1194
01:06:33,728 --> 01:06:35,628
and was totally removed from it.
1195
01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:38,598
He was really unhappy
and really down on himself.
1196
01:06:44,638 --> 01:06:47,674
It's easy to get sucked
into doing drugs,
1197
01:06:47,676 --> 01:06:49,409
partying and shit like that,
1198
01:06:49,411 --> 01:06:52,745
but in the end it brings you
nothing but bullshit.
1199
01:06:52,747 --> 01:06:56,649
Basically it taught me
that you reap what you sow.
1200
01:06:56,651 --> 01:06:58,117
If you do good things,
1201
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,720
good things are gonna
happen to you.
1202
01:07:00,722 --> 01:07:02,088
Pretty much karma.
1203
01:07:06,060 --> 01:07:09,829
Was on antidepressants.
He would get depressed.
1204
01:07:09,831 --> 01:07:12,999
He gained a lot of weight.
1205
01:07:13,001 --> 01:07:16,936
At the time I had put on
the kilos as well.
1206
01:07:16,938 --> 01:07:20,840
I was on some antidepressants
myself.
1207
01:07:20,842 --> 01:07:25,111
Everyone used to see us
and see two fat people,
1208
01:07:25,113 --> 01:07:27,847
and we were trying to skate
the new Globe ramp.
1209
01:07:29,416 --> 01:07:30,717
Hey, Dom.
1210
01:07:32,953 --> 01:07:35,154
Has it stopped raining? Yeah?
1211
01:07:40,594 --> 01:07:43,129
At that time, I kind of felt
1212
01:07:43,131 --> 01:07:45,532
that I had caught up
with a good friend again.
1213
01:07:45,534 --> 01:07:47,567
He needed somewhere to stay
1214
01:07:47,569 --> 01:07:49,335
so I said, 'Yeah, you're in.'
1215
01:07:49,337 --> 01:07:52,372
And having him around was good.
1216
01:07:52,374 --> 01:07:54,741
All right, this is it.
1217
01:07:54,743 --> 01:07:55,975
Make this one!
1218
01:08:00,414 --> 01:08:02,682
Whoa!
1219
01:08:02,684 --> 01:08:05,451
So, Dommy, tell us the vibe.
1220
01:08:05,453 --> 01:08:08,521
Not looking too bad. We're
just gonna go to the ramp now
1221
01:08:08,523 --> 01:08:10,423
and see
if it's all right to skate.
1222
01:08:10,425 --> 01:08:13,026
Maybe throw down a few tricks.
1223
01:08:13,028 --> 01:08:14,661
Yeah, mate.
1224
01:08:14,663 --> 01:08:15,862
Top one.
1225
01:08:18,032 --> 01:08:21,034
Fuck off with your camera.
1226
01:08:21,036 --> 01:08:22,368
Yeah!
1227
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:24,037
So here we are...
1228
01:08:24,039 --> 01:08:27,373
We skated together all
the time, just hanging out,
1229
01:08:27,375 --> 01:08:29,409
going out to bars and stuff,
1230
01:08:29,411 --> 01:08:31,578
having a good time
and skating a lot.
1231
01:08:31,580 --> 01:08:35,548
He was basically
coming back to who he was,
1232
01:08:35,550 --> 01:08:38,785
because he'd been on that
sort of arrogant high thing.
1233
01:08:38,787 --> 01:08:42,522
He realised 'That's not who I
am.' Went back to being Ben.
1234
01:08:42,524 --> 01:08:44,691
She's got sideburns.
Fucking hell.
1235
01:08:48,062 --> 01:08:50,496
Professional
skateboarder Tony Hawk
1236
01:08:50,498 --> 01:08:52,765
is known worldwide
as an innovator of the sport.
1237
01:08:52,767 --> 01:08:55,535
I'd met this young chick,
Colleen.
1238
01:08:55,537 --> 01:08:58,304
She was a friend of the family
and we hit it off.
1239
01:09:02,076 --> 01:09:05,511
She was responsible
and didn't party -
1240
01:09:05,513 --> 01:09:07,480
all the traits that I wanted.
1241
01:09:07,482 --> 01:09:11,417
I had my drug problems, and
I kept that hidden from her,
1242
01:09:11,419 --> 01:09:14,754
but she inspired me to really
get my act together.
1243
01:09:14,756 --> 01:09:17,890
Within a year, she was
pregnant and we had Kaia.
1244
01:09:20,828 --> 01:09:23,663
Once I had Kaia, it
just made me start to think,
1245
01:09:23,665 --> 01:09:25,131
'Right, time to get serious.'
1246
01:09:26,834 --> 01:09:28,668
I had sort of grown up a bit,
1247
01:09:28,670 --> 01:09:30,937
and once you've had a kid,
you start to realise,
1248
01:09:30,939 --> 01:09:32,538
'Hang on a second here.
1249
01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:36,175
I'll do whatever it takes
to feed my kid.'
1250
01:09:36,177 --> 01:09:38,811
Ramp it up,
ramp it up, ramp it up.
1251
01:09:38,813 --> 01:09:40,380
The vert doubles final
1252
01:09:40,382 --> 01:09:42,815
at the First Union Centre's
out of control,
1253
01:09:42,817 --> 01:09:44,917
crowd peaking for Bob and Bucky,
1254
01:09:44,919 --> 01:09:47,854
giving Tony and Andy
a run for their money.
1255
01:09:47,856 --> 01:09:50,957
By then the mainstream
scene that had blacklisted me
1256
01:09:50,959 --> 01:09:52,592
had changed completely.
1257
01:09:52,594 --> 01:09:56,596
It had fully turned
into show business.
1258
01:09:56,598 --> 01:10:00,867
Of course, ESPN and the
X Games ran the whole show.
1259
01:10:00,869 --> 01:10:03,736
Oh, the crowd loves that one.
1260
01:10:03,738 --> 01:10:06,572
They're show-stoppers,
this team Boom Boom.
1261
01:10:06,574 --> 01:10:09,575
And I thought it was bad
in the '90s.
1262
01:10:09,577 --> 01:10:11,210
Erin Hawk.
1263
01:10:11,212 --> 01:10:13,012
Those guys won.
1264
01:10:13,014 --> 01:10:16,649
You win.
1265
01:10:16,651 --> 01:10:19,052
Even Danny was getting in on it,
1266
01:10:19,054 --> 01:10:21,721
jumping the great wall of
China on his mega ramp.
1267
01:10:24,958 --> 01:10:27,126
And it didn't take long
for the X Games
1268
01:10:27,128 --> 01:10:29,095
to cotton on to that one either.
1269
01:10:29,097 --> 01:10:32,465
Of course they said
it was a way to attract
1270
01:10:32,467 --> 01:10:34,233
a new generation
to skateboarding.
1271
01:10:34,235 --> 01:10:36,469
To me it just looks like
it's only something
1272
01:10:36,471 --> 01:10:37,770
the privileged can do.
1273
01:10:39,073 --> 01:10:40,973
You know what sucks?
1274
01:10:40,975 --> 01:10:43,443
It's that whole X Games shit.
1275
01:10:43,445 --> 01:10:45,478
When I found out how much money
1276
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:47,013
those assholes were fucking...
1277
01:10:47,015 --> 01:10:50,483
..assholes...
the X Games were making.
1278
01:10:50,485 --> 01:10:52,118
Take a fucking shit.
1279
01:10:53,554 --> 01:10:56,189
You guys fucking can fuck off.
1280
01:10:56,191 --> 01:10:59,559
How much they fucking scoop
off of fucking skateboarding?
1281
01:10:59,561 --> 01:11:00,727
Suck it.
1282
01:11:05,632 --> 01:11:08,568
But even though
I was shut out by the scene,
1283
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:10,436
by the two main vert camps,
1284
01:11:10,438 --> 01:11:12,739
I found a way to support my
family through skateboarding.
1285
01:11:12,741 --> 01:11:15,041
Tas Pappas set up for the 180...
1286
01:11:18,780 --> 01:11:22,682
All the pros were doing X Games,
1287
01:11:22,684 --> 01:11:25,518
but then I heard that there
was another comp circuit,
1288
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,154
you get paid 250 a day
for a half-an-hour demo.
1289
01:11:28,156 --> 01:11:30,590
You're gone for a couple of
weeks out of the month.
1290
01:11:30,592 --> 01:11:33,059
So I started thinking,
'Right, I'll pull my head in,
1291
01:11:33,061 --> 01:11:34,694
I won't be a prick any more.'
1292
01:11:34,696 --> 01:11:36,596
Stuck to myself and skated.
1293
01:11:41,068 --> 01:11:43,903
Tas Pappas,
you'd better recognise.
1294
01:11:43,905 --> 01:11:46,773
This guy will put you in a
headlock if you don't shut up.
1295
01:11:46,775 --> 01:11:48,535
- Yeah, like this!
- Argh!
1296
01:11:54,882 --> 01:11:56,215
What?
1297
01:11:57,885 --> 01:12:00,653
Ben liked to keep
everything to himself.
1298
01:12:00,655 --> 01:12:04,090
He met this girl, Lynette,
and he started seeing her,
1299
01:12:04,092 --> 01:12:05,933
and he didn't tell me anything.
1300
01:12:08,162 --> 01:12:10,029
It was odd actually.
1301
01:12:10,031 --> 01:12:13,699
He was never honest in saying,
'This is who I'm seeing.'
1302
01:12:13,701 --> 01:12:15,701
She just used to rock up
at the ramp.
1303
01:12:15,703 --> 01:12:18,171
There was just this little
small flesh-and-bone...
1304
01:12:18,173 --> 01:12:22,408
She was really skinny.
She never said a word to me.
1305
01:12:22,410 --> 01:12:24,677
One time we went to a pub
1306
01:12:24,679 --> 01:12:26,445
around the corner from Prahran,
1307
01:12:26,447 --> 01:12:29,182
and she just popped up
and just sat down next to him.
1308
01:12:29,184 --> 01:12:31,450
I was like, 'Whoa,
this is really bizarre.'
1309
01:12:31,452 --> 01:12:34,787
That's the first time I knew
they had a sort of connection.
1310
01:12:34,789 --> 01:12:37,056
He was actually
really embarrassed by it.
1311
01:12:37,058 --> 01:12:41,093
You could tell - he was like,
'Fuck.' Two sides to his life.
1312
01:12:41,095 --> 01:12:43,663
Just a really weird situation.
1313
01:12:43,665 --> 01:12:47,099
But every time
I saw them hanging out
1314
01:12:47,101 --> 01:12:49,001
or knew they were hanging out,
1315
01:12:49,003 --> 01:12:51,083
he looked like he had taken
a lot of drugs.
1316
01:12:55,409 --> 01:12:58,778
It was obvious that Ben
and Lynette's relationship
1317
01:12:58,780 --> 01:13:00,680
was revolved around drugs.
1318
01:13:00,682 --> 01:13:04,217
I could see he'd been using it
because he was down and gaunt.
1319
01:13:05,919 --> 01:13:08,054
I knew he was on the Xanax,
1320
01:13:08,056 --> 01:13:11,657
but he didn't admit that
he was using heroin to me.
1321
01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:19,999
I didn't even see him around
1322
01:13:20,001 --> 01:13:21,868
for two or three months
or something.
1323
01:13:21,870 --> 01:13:25,805
He had taken everything
from my house at this stage.
1324
01:13:25,807 --> 01:13:30,676
I don't know
who he was staying with.
1325
01:13:30,678 --> 01:13:33,512
I didn't think he was going
to get into bloody heroin.
1326
01:13:33,514 --> 01:13:35,882
It broke my heart when
I heard he got into heroin,
1327
01:13:35,884 --> 01:13:37,683
I just couldn't bloody
believe it.
1328
01:13:37,685 --> 01:13:39,986
I went home one trip.
1329
01:13:39,988 --> 01:13:42,021
It was this Globe comp.
1330
01:13:42,023 --> 01:13:46,525
He comes with Lynette and
they were both off their face.
1331
01:13:46,527 --> 01:13:48,094
Pinpricked eyes,
1332
01:13:48,096 --> 01:13:50,529
just full smacked out,
just had a shot each.
1333
01:13:52,699 --> 01:13:57,136
I realised then that she was
a junky, Ben was a junky.
1334
01:13:57,138 --> 01:13:59,639
So I went off.
I was being mean.
1335
01:13:59,641 --> 01:14:01,741
I'm like, 'You, get the fuck
out of here.
1336
01:14:01,743 --> 01:14:04,143
Stay the fuck away
from my brother, all right?'
1337
01:14:04,145 --> 01:14:08,014
We got into a bit of a fight,
so I left.
1338
01:14:08,016 --> 01:14:10,549
What am I supposed to do?
1339
01:14:10,551 --> 01:14:14,887
He's 25 years old,
I'm 27, 28, with a kid.
1340
01:14:14,889 --> 01:14:17,089
He was under the impression
1341
01:14:17,091 --> 01:14:19,091
I was having this great time
in America
1342
01:14:19,093 --> 01:14:22,628
and I'm like, 'Ben, mate,
you think I'm having fun?'
1343
01:14:22,630 --> 01:14:25,998
Tas Pappas
comes into this event injured.
1344
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,434
He's got some back...
1345
01:14:28,436 --> 01:14:30,069
I had to be top ten
at every comp.
1346
01:14:30,071 --> 01:14:34,407
That's how I was living,
trying to support my family.
1347
01:14:34,409 --> 01:14:37,743
Shortly after that,
Aydin was born.
1348
01:14:37,745 --> 01:14:41,047
And then the pressure was on.
The pressure was on hard.
1349
01:14:41,049 --> 01:14:45,651
Being away all the time
and not seeing my kids,
1350
01:14:45,653 --> 01:14:47,687
we'd fight a lot
while I was gone.
1351
01:14:47,689 --> 01:14:49,121
She'd be angry I'd be gone,
1352
01:14:49,123 --> 01:14:51,243
it just strained the
relationship hardcore.
1353
01:14:55,162 --> 01:14:58,698
When I'd get injured I'd
start sniffing a bit of ice,
1354
01:14:58,700 --> 01:15:02,068
purely to be able to stay in
the comp to make the money,
1355
01:15:02,070 --> 01:15:04,136
and it would numb your body,
the speed.
1356
01:15:04,138 --> 01:15:07,039
And it worked,
but the problem was,
1357
01:15:07,041 --> 01:15:10,376
after the comp, you're already
on speed so you're figuring,
1358
01:15:10,378 --> 01:15:11,978
'Who cares?
I'm already off my face.
1359
01:15:11,980 --> 01:15:13,879
Let's just charge
the rest of that gram
1360
01:15:13,881 --> 01:15:17,717
and get another eight-ball and
then we'll just go for days.'
1361
01:15:17,719 --> 01:15:19,919
And then boom,
I'm back on drugs.
1362
01:15:19,921 --> 01:15:22,121
Smoking ice, smoking crack.
1363
01:15:22,123 --> 01:15:27,460
Then I hit psychosis mode bad
and I just lost the plot.
1364
01:15:27,462 --> 01:15:31,430
It was weird, it was like me
and Ben lived parallel lives.
1365
01:15:31,432 --> 01:15:33,132
Whenever he fucked up,
I fucked up.
1366
01:15:33,134 --> 01:15:35,401
It was like we were twins.
1367
01:15:37,604 --> 01:15:39,739
Do you reckon we should make
this one, Gregsy?
1368
01:15:39,741 --> 01:15:41,674
- Yeah. Now.
- Yeah.
1369
01:15:41,676 --> 01:15:44,543
We can do it for another
two hours if you want.
1370
01:15:44,545 --> 01:15:45,845
- Now?
- Yeah.
1371
01:15:45,847 --> 01:15:48,114
Ben looked terrible.
1372
01:15:48,116 --> 01:15:50,816
He was going down to Prahran
fully on drugs.
1373
01:15:55,055 --> 01:15:58,591
He used to have this bottle of
Xanax - when we were filming,
1374
01:15:58,593 --> 01:16:01,761
he used to pop two Xanax
before the skate,
1375
01:16:01,763 --> 01:16:03,803
and I was like,
'Are you off your head?'
1376
01:16:10,971 --> 01:16:13,139
He was really upset.
1377
01:16:13,141 --> 01:16:15,975
He was trying to get out
of that routine.
1378
01:16:15,977 --> 01:16:18,511
You could tell he was trying
to get away from that.
1379
01:16:18,513 --> 01:16:21,180
He knew in his heart that that
wasn't the right thing to do,
1380
01:16:21,182 --> 01:16:23,049
do drugs with her.
1381
01:16:23,051 --> 01:16:26,719
He'd just say, 'I've just got
to get away from her.
1382
01:16:26,721 --> 01:16:28,487
She's not good for me.'
1383
01:16:28,489 --> 01:16:31,190
But I think he didn't know
where to go at that point.
1384
01:16:32,893 --> 01:16:35,628
What's up? Not today.
1385
01:16:47,774 --> 01:16:51,444
I went to jail two months,
1386
01:16:51,446 --> 01:16:54,747
I went on a mad
ice and crack bender.
1387
01:16:54,749 --> 01:16:58,784
I came home and tripped out,
got in a fight with Colleen,
1388
01:16:58,786 --> 01:17:01,921
did a silly thing,
slapped her and hit her.
1389
01:17:01,923 --> 01:17:04,356
I was off my face,
I couldn't remember.
1390
01:17:04,358 --> 01:17:07,626
I was ashamed of myself too
because I've got a daughter
1391
01:17:07,628 --> 01:17:10,029
and if anyone did that to her,
I'd want to kill 'em.
1392
01:17:10,031 --> 01:17:12,465
It's something that's been
hard for me to admit,
1393
01:17:12,467 --> 01:17:14,033
and people look at it,
like, weak,
1394
01:17:14,035 --> 01:17:15,868
'You hit a chick, '
and this and that.
1395
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:19,371
I don't know. I am ashamed of
myself for that.
1396
01:17:19,373 --> 01:17:22,708
They had me in the mental pod
1397
01:17:22,710 --> 01:17:24,810
'cause I was fried on the drugs,
1398
01:17:24,812 --> 01:17:28,447
and then Homeland Security
came to me when I was in jail.
1399
01:17:28,449 --> 01:17:29,982
They said, 'You're going
home.'
1400
01:17:29,984 --> 01:17:32,118
I was like, 'What do you mean
I'm going home?'
1401
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,387
They said 'You're going home.
You're getting deported.'
1402
01:17:35,389 --> 01:17:37,389
I stayed in jail
from that point on.
1403
01:17:40,894 --> 01:17:43,195
I just couldn't believe
what was going on.
1404
01:17:43,197 --> 01:17:44,864
I was losing my family.
1405
01:17:44,866 --> 01:17:48,367
My whole goal
was to never lose my kids.
1406
01:17:48,369 --> 01:17:51,637
And then boom, it was just shit.
1407
01:18:05,585 --> 01:18:07,820
Me and Greg went
to the ramp at Prahran,
1408
01:18:07,822 --> 01:18:09,455
met up with Ben.
1409
01:18:09,457 --> 01:18:12,591
I hadn't seen him in a while.
1410
01:18:12,593 --> 01:18:16,896
It was the first time I'd seen
him so gaunt and just down.
1411
01:18:16,898 --> 01:18:20,499
Didn't want to skate,
didn't want to talk to anyone.
1412
01:18:20,501 --> 01:18:23,369
I thought his brother
is in jail,
1413
01:18:23,371 --> 01:18:26,272
his brother can't come over
to Australia to visit him.
1414
01:18:28,475 --> 01:18:30,376
He was acting really weird
1415
01:18:30,378 --> 01:18:33,679
and completely like he just
did not care about anything.
1416
01:18:33,681 --> 01:18:36,048
I remember I said,
'Where is your board, man?'
1417
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:41,086
And he said to me, 'I won't be
needing my board any more.'
1418
01:18:41,088 --> 01:18:43,889
Ben said, 'Dom,
I need somewhere to stay.
1419
01:18:43,891 --> 01:18:46,659
Can I stay at your house
for a few days or something?'
1420
01:18:46,661 --> 01:18:49,995
Because he was such a good
friend, I couldn't refuse.
1421
01:18:55,402 --> 01:18:58,671
Ben wasn't talking.
He was just really down.
1422
01:18:58,673 --> 01:19:00,873
I was trying to ask him
what's on his mind.
1423
01:19:00,875 --> 01:19:03,676
He started crying and said
1424
01:19:03,678 --> 01:19:08,514
he couldn't remember anything,
like, what happened.
1425
01:19:08,516 --> 01:19:10,516
I said, 'What do you mean
what happened?'
1426
01:19:10,518 --> 01:19:15,087
He said he remembered waking
up on a bench in the city
1427
01:19:15,089 --> 01:19:17,156
a few days before
1428
01:19:17,158 --> 01:19:19,319
and dropping some Xanax
or something like that.
1429
01:19:20,527 --> 01:19:23,829
And then I saw a newsflash.
1430
01:19:23,831 --> 01:19:26,599
The body of a woman was found
1431
01:19:26,601 --> 01:19:29,168
wrapped in material
at Dights Falls yesterday.
1432
01:19:29,170 --> 01:19:32,471
Police believe the woman is
27-year-old Lynette Phillips.
1433
01:19:34,874 --> 01:19:38,677
The body has been
wrapped in material,
1434
01:19:38,679 --> 01:19:41,814
and there's a backpack
apparently with weights in it,
1435
01:19:41,816 --> 01:19:43,616
then over the material
and the body.
1436
01:19:43,618 --> 01:19:45,718
Results of an autopsy
1437
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,680
expected to be known
later tonight.
1438
01:19:49,389 --> 01:19:51,757
I thought, 'Shit, don't tell me
1439
01:19:51,759 --> 01:19:54,426
he's gone and done
something stupid.'
1440
01:19:54,428 --> 01:19:58,864
Just felt surreal. Couldn't
believe it was happening.
1441
01:19:58,866 --> 01:20:02,801
I said, 'Did you see the news?
Lynette's been found dead.'
1442
01:20:02,803 --> 01:20:04,937
He said, 'Shut up.
Don't tell me any more.'
1443
01:20:04,939 --> 01:20:07,539
And he left.
1444
01:20:09,843 --> 01:20:11,710
It was out of this world really.
1445
01:20:11,712 --> 01:20:14,546
You thought he was down
and out, but you never thought
1446
01:20:14,548 --> 01:20:16,815
that one of your good friends
could do that.
1447
01:20:18,985 --> 01:20:21,587
I didn't want
to believe it, you know.
1448
01:20:21,589 --> 01:20:24,423
The Feds came around
to my house,
1449
01:20:24,425 --> 01:20:26,725
they started asking questions
about Ben -
1450
01:20:26,727 --> 01:20:28,727
when was the last time
I saw him?
1451
01:20:28,729 --> 01:20:30,763
They said, 'Can you come back
to the station
1452
01:20:30,765 --> 01:20:32,564
and answer some questions?'
1453
01:20:32,566 --> 01:20:36,568
They said, 'Now we're going
to give you some pictures
1454
01:20:36,570 --> 01:20:42,241
if you can identify
if this is yours.'
1455
01:20:42,243 --> 01:20:45,644
They gave me a picture
of a backpack and I said,
1456
01:20:45,646 --> 01:20:49,782
'Yeah, that's mine. I gave it
to Ben maybe six months ago.'
1457
01:20:49,784 --> 01:20:53,185
They told me she was
weighed down with that,
1458
01:20:53,187 --> 01:20:56,388
so I was like, 'Shit.'
1459
01:20:56,390 --> 01:20:58,123
They showed me another picture,
1460
01:20:58,125 --> 01:21:01,160
my doona cover, saying that's
what she was wrapped up in.
1461
01:21:01,162 --> 01:21:03,696
I started just bawling.
1462
01:21:03,698 --> 01:21:05,497
Like, seriously
didn't believe it.
1463
01:21:05,499 --> 01:21:07,599
Just thought, 'No fucking
way.'
1464
01:21:07,601 --> 01:21:11,603
I had the impression, 'Ben,
gosh, what are you doing?'
1465
01:21:15,175 --> 01:21:17,843
Police say one of
the world's most talented
1466
01:21:17,845 --> 01:21:20,713
skateboarders, Ben Pappas,
is a person of interest
1467
01:21:20,715 --> 01:21:22,514
in the murder
of Lynette Phillips,
1468
01:21:22,516 --> 01:21:24,450
a recovering long-term
drug addict
1469
01:21:24,452 --> 01:21:26,518
who was studying
to become a counsellor.,
1470
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,121
her battered body
found wrapped in a blue cover.
1471
01:21:35,028 --> 01:21:38,530
After a week,
no-one could find Ben.
1472
01:21:38,532 --> 01:21:41,100
So everyone was concerned
for his life, you know?
1473
01:21:41,102 --> 01:21:44,236
And then I saw a newsflash.
1474
01:21:44,238 --> 01:21:47,706
The body was found
in waters off Victoria Pier
1475
01:21:47,708 --> 01:21:49,942
around 7:30 last night.
1476
01:21:49,944 --> 01:21:51,543
Divers were sent in
1477
01:21:51,545 --> 01:21:53,412
after a wallet
was found at the scene.
1478
01:21:53,414 --> 01:21:55,414
The dead man is believed
to be former
1479
01:21:55,416 --> 01:21:58,050
world skateboarding champion
Ben Pappas.
1480
01:21:58,052 --> 01:22:01,687
An autopsy is being carried
out to confirm his identity.
1481
01:22:01,689 --> 01:22:04,456
Pappas was the main suspect
in the murder of...
1482
01:22:04,458 --> 01:22:07,126
Everyone was so blown away,
1483
01:22:07,128 --> 01:22:09,728
just blown away and devastated
about what had happened.
1484
01:22:11,664 --> 01:22:14,233
Didn't even think about Tas, no.
1485
01:22:17,537 --> 01:22:19,705
I was calling Colleen one day.
1486
01:22:19,707 --> 01:22:21,640
She just wasn't answering
the phone.
1487
01:22:21,642 --> 01:22:23,208
I'm getting bloody paranoid.
1488
01:22:23,210 --> 01:22:24,910
So then I called my dad.
1489
01:22:24,912 --> 01:22:29,481
He goes, 'Tas, I need you
to be strong for me.'
1490
01:22:29,483 --> 01:22:33,919
'What are you talking about,
Dad, be strong for you?'
1491
01:22:33,921 --> 01:22:36,355
He goes, 'Tas, I need you
to be strong for me.'
1492
01:22:40,193 --> 01:22:42,094
I go, 'What are you talking
about, Dad?
1493
01:22:42,096 --> 01:22:44,563
What the fuck is Colleen
doing? Where are my kids?'
1494
01:22:44,565 --> 01:22:47,566
He goes, 'Tas, I need you
to be strong for me.'
1495
01:22:47,568 --> 01:22:50,569
I said, 'What are you talking
about, Dad?'
1496
01:22:50,571 --> 01:22:52,337
He goes, 'Ben has drowned.'
1497
01:22:55,809 --> 01:22:58,610
'What do you mean
Ben's drowned?'
1498
01:22:58,612 --> 01:23:01,880
'Ben's drowned.'
1499
01:23:01,882 --> 01:23:04,483
I've gone,
'Fuck off, he's drowned.
1500
01:23:04,485 --> 01:23:06,952
He can swim. We used
to surf in massive surf.
1501
01:23:06,954 --> 01:23:09,621
He didn't fucking drown.
What are you talking about?'
1502
01:23:09,623 --> 01:23:11,623
He goes, 'Ben's dead.'
1503
01:23:19,432 --> 01:23:22,100
I just remember
being in the day room
1504
01:23:22,102 --> 01:23:24,937
and I've just gone, 'Fuck!'
1505
01:23:24,939 --> 01:23:29,441
I just remember just fucking
storming the room in circles,
1506
01:23:29,443 --> 01:23:31,877
just fucking pissed, hoping
some cunt would kill me.
1507
01:23:50,663 --> 01:23:52,931
I just felt fucking so bad.
1508
01:23:52,933 --> 01:23:55,167
Thinking about his brother,
1509
01:23:55,169 --> 01:23:58,537
thinking of how sad
his dad must have been,
1510
01:23:58,539 --> 01:24:00,005
let alone the whole family
1511
01:24:00,007 --> 01:24:02,541
and then Tas being in jail
during all this.
1512
01:24:05,945 --> 01:24:08,146
I remember talking to him
and saying,
1513
01:24:08,148 --> 01:24:10,449
'Man, fuck,
all your friends love you.
1514
01:24:10,451 --> 01:24:12,651
I know that you're
in a lot of pain, man,
1515
01:24:12,653 --> 01:24:16,488
but, fuck, you've got a lot
going for you right now.
1516
01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:18,524
It doesn't seem like you do,
but you do.'
1517
01:24:18,526 --> 01:24:22,661
And I just remember
he was fucking pissed, man.
1518
01:24:22,663 --> 01:24:23,996
He didn't sound good.
1519
01:24:26,699 --> 01:24:31,737
Honestly, deep down,
I felt like I failed him.
1520
01:24:31,739 --> 01:24:35,641
I was so shattered
my brother is dead...
1521
01:24:35,643 --> 01:24:38,043
..and I was so fucking
pissed off.
1522
01:24:44,584 --> 01:24:47,653
Tas got deported
and he came back here.
1523
01:24:47,655 --> 01:24:51,023
In his mind, his relationship
at the end with Ben
1524
01:24:51,025 --> 01:24:53,592
wasn't what it should have been.
1525
01:24:53,594 --> 01:24:56,161
There was a lot of stuff
that wasn't resolved.
1526
01:24:56,163 --> 01:24:57,896
He was really in a bad way.
1527
01:24:57,898 --> 01:25:00,365
He actually looked
like he was suicidal.
1528
01:25:05,138 --> 01:25:06,572
Go.
1529
01:25:07,807 --> 01:25:09,041
Four.
1530
01:25:13,413 --> 01:25:15,213
What are you, Colleen?
1531
01:25:29,996 --> 01:25:32,931
He was completely
out of his mind.
1532
01:25:32,933 --> 01:25:35,801
This is crazy,
just crazy out there.
1533
01:25:35,803 --> 01:25:39,338
He was just a mess, he was
just taking it really hard.
1534
01:25:41,074 --> 01:25:42,374
That's for you, you cunt.
1535
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:46,078
He was in bad shape.
1536
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,547
He said to me, 'I can't
believe this is happening.'
1537
01:25:48,549 --> 01:25:52,017
It's gonna be really hard
for him to continue on life.
1538
01:25:55,755 --> 01:25:58,457
My whole world fell apart
at once.
1539
01:25:58,459 --> 01:26:01,793
I lost my kids, got deported,
1540
01:26:01,795 --> 01:26:03,629
came home to a dead brother.
1541
01:26:06,733 --> 01:26:09,601
I just thought, 'I deserve
to suffer. I hope I die.
1542
01:26:09,603 --> 01:26:12,404
And maybe I'll do something
like the way Ben did. '
1543
01:26:14,540 --> 01:26:17,376
So I got on the same drugs
as him -
1544
01:26:17,378 --> 01:26:21,546
methadone, Xanax, ice, hammer.
1545
01:26:23,116 --> 01:26:25,050
People were saying to me,
1546
01:26:25,052 --> 01:26:27,586
'Fuck, Tas is just
a complete write-off.'
1547
01:26:27,588 --> 01:26:31,123
And then his dad passes away.
1548
01:26:31,125 --> 01:26:32,858
Dad died of a heart attack.
1549
01:26:32,860 --> 01:26:36,395
He was stuck in America.
He was just broken.
1550
01:26:37,964 --> 01:26:40,499
I just had enough.
1551
01:26:40,501 --> 01:26:44,870
The start of the real end
was when Ben got busted.
1552
01:26:44,872 --> 01:26:46,738
That was the end for everyone.
1553
01:26:46,740 --> 01:26:49,474
I just thought I deserved
the misery Ben got
1554
01:26:49,476 --> 01:26:51,109
because I wasn't there for him-
1555
01:26:51,111 --> 01:26:54,513
because he died,
and I just wanted to die.
1556
01:26:54,515 --> 01:26:58,016
Then I thought, 'I'm a piece
of fucking shit anyway.
1557
01:26:58,018 --> 01:26:59,418
Who gives a fuck?'
1558
01:27:19,105 --> 01:27:23,709
Next minute, I'm in Argentina
with ten grand Australian,
1559
01:27:23,711 --> 01:27:27,112
a few skateboards,
a bunch of grip tape, glue
1560
01:27:27,114 --> 01:27:28,880
and a cheese grater.
1561
01:27:32,485 --> 01:27:34,786
I don't even know
what I was thinking,
1562
01:27:34,788 --> 01:27:36,588
but I just came up
with the plan.
1563
01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:40,158
Went straight up to the taxi
rank, met this cab driver,
1564
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,328
I told him the deal and he was
like, 'OK, you wait for me.'
1565
01:27:46,799 --> 01:27:49,901
Then we get driven into some
weird little ghetto thing.
1566
01:27:49,903 --> 01:27:52,637
Next thing you know
I get given a little bag
1567
01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:54,005
and it's got two discs in it
1568
01:27:54,007 --> 01:27:56,341
with a scorpion
pressed in the back of it.
1569
01:27:56,343 --> 01:27:58,643
That's it. Fine.
500g each disc.
1570
01:28:03,382 --> 01:28:05,517
I've gone back to the hotel
1571
01:28:05,519 --> 01:28:07,385
and I've started grinding away.
1572
01:28:10,857 --> 01:28:13,625
I was creeping around the room,
1573
01:28:13,627 --> 01:28:16,428
and I knew
that I had got the answer
1574
01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:18,430
that's going to fix everything.
1575
01:28:18,432 --> 01:28:23,902
O spirit brother, my turn.
This is for you.
1576
01:28:23,904 --> 01:28:28,440
I'm there for four days,
I packed everything up,
1577
01:28:28,442 --> 01:28:31,076
grabbed the bag I had,
put everything in it.
1578
01:28:40,052 --> 01:28:41,953
Welcome to Sydney.
1579
01:28:41,955 --> 01:28:43,688
Local time approaching 11:10.
1580
01:28:46,459 --> 01:28:49,461
Next thing you know, I'm
coming in, landing for Sydney
1581
01:28:49,463 --> 01:28:51,363
and I've had a moment of clarity
1582
01:28:51,365 --> 01:28:54,800
and I've gone,
'Am I fucking kidding?
1583
01:28:54,802 --> 01:28:57,469
I've got a kilo of coke.
I'm off my fucking head
1584
01:28:57,471 --> 01:28:59,070
and I've changed my ticket.
1585
01:28:59,072 --> 01:29:01,840
I've only been gone five days.
I look like a zombie.
1586
01:29:01,842 --> 01:29:03,542
I'm fucking done!'
1587
01:29:09,682 --> 01:29:12,150
It was so loosely packed, man.
1588
01:29:12,152 --> 01:29:14,886
There were smears of coke
on everything.
1589
01:29:14,888 --> 01:29:16,855
As soon as I walked
into the airport,
1590
01:29:16,857 --> 01:29:19,018
I think the coke machine
just started buzzing.
1591
01:29:24,431 --> 01:29:27,165
That thing went ballistic
as soon as it saw me.
1592
01:29:27,167 --> 01:29:29,601
That's how much residue
there was all over me.
1593
01:29:29,603 --> 01:29:32,003
It was so loosely packed.
1594
01:29:32,005 --> 01:29:35,040
The first question they asked,
'What's in the boards?'
1595
01:29:35,042 --> 01:29:37,976
It was that bloody obvious.
1596
01:29:37,978 --> 01:29:42,848
They all jumped on me,
cuffed me. Quite a fiasco.
1597
01:29:42,850 --> 01:29:47,619
I had ground up a kilo to
a nice little pile on a table
1598
01:29:47,621 --> 01:29:49,487
and it was falling
on my clothes,
1599
01:29:49,489 --> 01:29:51,723
it's all over the boards
when I was packing it in.
1600
01:29:51,725 --> 01:29:53,124
I just wiped it off with water.
1601
01:29:53,126 --> 01:29:55,060
What was I thinking?
1602
01:29:55,062 --> 01:29:56,695
I was completely gone.
1603
01:29:56,697 --> 01:30:00,031
I was so embarrassed.
I was so ashamed, man.
1604
01:30:00,033 --> 01:30:02,934
There were these
pictures on the internet
1605
01:30:02,936 --> 01:30:05,203
from the Australian
Skateboarding website -
1606
01:30:05,205 --> 01:30:07,038
three or four boards
1607
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,107
with all 'Fragile' stickers
wrapped around
1608
01:30:09,109 --> 01:30:11,776
and it said, 'A skateboarder
is caught in Sydney Airport
1609
01:30:11,778 --> 01:30:13,411
with cocaine in his boards.'
1610
01:30:13,413 --> 01:30:15,213
And you just knew instantly
it was Tas.
1611
01:30:15,215 --> 01:30:18,183
You didn't have to say Tas.
It screamed Tas all over it.
1612
01:30:18,185 --> 01:30:21,519
You would have to be
completely off your head
1613
01:30:21,521 --> 01:30:24,890
to think you were gonna get
away with those skateboards.
1614
01:30:24,892 --> 01:30:27,559
It was such a similar
subconscious thing
1615
01:30:27,561 --> 01:30:29,761
that was happening
with what Ben did.
1616
01:30:29,763 --> 01:30:33,031
It was actually...
It was pretty sad.
1617
01:30:45,845 --> 01:30:47,579
Switch...
1618
01:30:47,581 --> 01:30:51,483
In the end, I got three years.
1619
01:30:51,485 --> 01:30:53,618
I'm doing 50-50s,
you know what I mean?
1620
01:30:53,620 --> 01:30:56,454
I think it's been good for me.
1621
01:30:56,456 --> 01:30:59,858
It's been very good for me,
it's exactly what I've needed.
1622
01:30:59,860 --> 01:31:02,127
I needed to be locked in a cell
1623
01:31:02,129 --> 01:31:05,463
to really think
about my brother.
1624
01:31:05,465 --> 01:31:10,502
Because I couldn't handle the
pain. It was too much at once.
1625
01:31:10,504 --> 01:31:15,507
Went straight. Forced to face
my issues, which was good.
1626
01:31:15,509 --> 01:31:17,475
You feel like you're weak
because of it,
1627
01:31:17,477 --> 01:31:19,678
but it's actually strong
when you can admit it.
1628
01:31:20,780 --> 01:31:22,213
I miss my brother.
1629
01:31:23,883 --> 01:31:25,750
I miss him.
1630
01:31:32,458 --> 01:31:37,429
I just cried a lot in jail
thinking about Ben as a kid,
1631
01:31:37,431 --> 01:31:40,131
me as a kid
and how it all turned out.
1632
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:47,238
It seems like
they're painted one way
1633
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,174
and people perceived them
in that way.
1634
01:31:49,176 --> 01:31:51,876
To me,
they weren't like that at all.
1635
01:31:51,878 --> 01:31:56,081
They were fucking crazy, crazy
as anyone else at the time,
1636
01:31:56,083 --> 01:31:59,150
but those guys were just
really cool people, man.
1637
01:31:59,152 --> 01:32:00,685
They were really generous
1638
01:32:00,687 --> 01:32:02,620
and I think that's truly
the mentality
1639
01:32:02,622 --> 01:32:04,923
of most skateboarders.
1640
01:32:04,925 --> 01:32:08,426
On top of that, vert skating
was pretty much dead,
1641
01:32:08,428 --> 01:32:11,096
and they put a big hand
1642
01:32:11,098 --> 01:32:14,132
in saving skateboarding
right there.
1643
01:32:14,134 --> 01:32:16,067
When I heard about Ben,
1644
01:32:16,069 --> 01:32:19,104
I was like,
'Damn, skating just lost one
1645
01:32:19,106 --> 01:32:23,775
of the sickest skaters in the
history of skateboarding.'
1646
01:32:23,777 --> 01:32:28,646
I think those guys belong
in the history books
1647
01:32:28,648 --> 01:32:32,851
and Tas... Tas is still here
so he definitely needs to be
1648
01:32:32,853 --> 01:32:34,786
in the scene
with all those guys.
1649
01:32:34,788 --> 01:32:38,056
Those guys
should still be right here
1650
01:32:38,058 --> 01:32:39,557
fucking kicking ass,
1651
01:32:39,559 --> 01:32:41,760
doing the same shit
they were doing.
1652
01:32:41,762 --> 01:32:44,229
It's fucking sad.
1653
01:32:44,231 --> 01:32:50,969
Skateboarders got fucked
in the ass so bad by bullshit.
1654
01:32:50,971 --> 01:32:55,607
Skateboarding used to be so
fucking great, and still is,
1655
01:32:55,609 --> 01:32:57,475
but it's so fucking fucked.
1656
01:32:59,612 --> 01:33:01,713
Skateboarding is a gift,
1657
01:33:01,715 --> 01:33:06,017
and it did take me and Ben
away from crap in St Albans.
1658
01:33:06,019 --> 01:33:08,486
But somehow we got sucked back
into the life
1659
01:33:08,488 --> 01:33:11,689
we would have had
in St Albans anyway.
1660
01:33:11,691 --> 01:33:14,025
I mean, I don't care.
I'm over it now.
1661
01:33:14,027 --> 01:33:16,061
There's no point
in holding onto it.
1662
01:33:16,063 --> 01:33:17,695
But it got pretty heavy.
1663
01:33:22,668 --> 01:33:26,638
Somehow in my big
demented stage,
1664
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,176
I met Helen, we fell in love,
we had Billy straight away.
1665
01:33:31,178 --> 01:33:33,678
She stuck by me.
1666
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,748
Yeah, I just needed a strong
Australian woman
1667
01:33:36,750 --> 01:33:38,383
to help me through my shit.
1668
01:34:14,453 --> 01:34:17,755
I feel like God has given
Ben a second chance.
1669
01:34:17,757 --> 01:34:21,426
His soul is coming back
in this kid.
1670
01:34:21,428 --> 01:34:24,729
When I look at Billy,
I feel it's Ben.
1671
01:34:28,434 --> 01:34:33,438
I feel like I will Barnes it
to the death for my new Elias.
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