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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:01:57,324 http://subscene.com/u/659433 Improved by: @Ivandrofly 2 00:02:16,262 --> 00:02:20,808 Well, that's all right, Mama That's all right for you. 3 00:02:21,434 --> 00:02:25,813 That's all right, Mama Just any way you do. 4 00:02:26,147 --> 00:02:27,940 You sing real good, Stevie. 5 00:02:27,982 --> 00:02:31,819 I'm gonna buy you a Graceland, Mama. Just like Elvis has got. 6 00:02:31,986 --> 00:02:34,697 How about you buy me a Promised Land, since he's got the other one. 7 00:02:35,489 --> 00:02:37,366 - Okay. - Come on, let's go. 8 00:02:38,993 --> 00:02:43,497 Well, that's all right, Mama That's all right for you. 9 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:48,627 Now on to the highlight of the auction, 10 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:52,089 this Napoleon III marble top mahogany writing table 11 00:02:52,173 --> 00:02:55,176 is offered at an opening bid of $15,000. 12 00:02:56,177 --> 00:02:58,387 - I got $15,000. Do I hear 16? - 16. 13 00:02:58,471 --> 00:03:01,223 I hear 16. I got $17,000. Do I hear 18? 14 00:03:01,432 --> 00:03:05,102 I got $17,000 going once. 17,000 going twice. 15 00:03:05,186 --> 00:03:06,520 Do I hear 17,500? 16 00:03:06,729 --> 00:03:10,107 I got 17,500, do I hear 18? I got $18,000, do I hear 18,500? 17 00:03:10,399 --> 00:03:13,319 I got 18,500, do I hear 19? I got $19,000. 18 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,862 - Do I hear 19,500? - 19,500. 19 00:03:14,904 --> 00:03:18,407 - I got 19,500. Do I hear 20? - 20,000. 20 00:03:18,783 --> 00:03:20,201 I got $20,000. 21 00:03:20,242 --> 00:03:23,871 - I got $20,000. Do I hear 20,500? - $20,500. 22 00:03:23,954 --> 00:03:25,873 I got 20,500. Do I hear 21? 23 00:03:25,998 --> 00:03:29,502 - 21,000. - I got $21,000. I got $21,000 going once. 24 00:03:30,544 --> 00:03:32,087 $21,000 going twice. 25 00:03:33,380 --> 00:03:36,884 Sold to the gentleman for $21,000. 26 00:04:34,692 --> 00:04:36,610 It's Michael! Can I go ride bikes? 27 00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:38,362 What about your homework? 28 00:04:38,445 --> 00:04:40,823 I did it, Mama. I want to show him my new bike. 29 00:04:41,115 --> 00:04:45,327 Grandpa got it for me. It's so cool. Please, Mama? 30 00:04:45,661 --> 00:04:47,413 You know I have to go to work at 5:00. 31 00:04:47,788 --> 00:04:49,623 I know. I'll be back. 32 00:04:49,915 --> 00:04:52,251 Boy, if you are not back here by 4:30, 33 00:04:52,293 --> 00:04:54,253 you're gonna be grounded for two weeks. You hear me? 34 00:04:54,461 --> 00:04:57,798 Yes. Thanks, Mama. See ya at 4:30. Love you. 35 00:04:57,882 --> 00:04:59,466 I love you, too. Now y'all get out of here. 36 00:06:07,451 --> 00:06:11,580 Terry, what are you doing? Okay, do not mess me up. 37 00:06:11,747 --> 00:06:14,750 I have to go to work. I have to go to work! 38 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:18,712 Where's the boy? 39 00:06:19,296 --> 00:06:20,965 He went out riding bikes with Michael. 40 00:06:21,548 --> 00:06:23,676 But I told him he better by home by 4:30. 41 00:06:51,787 --> 00:06:56,333 I went under the Black Train Bridge and up that little road. 42 00:06:57,501 --> 00:07:00,421 All the way up to Blue Beacon Truck Stop. 43 00:07:01,296 --> 00:07:03,841 And I parked my bike back there. 44 00:07:21,233 --> 00:07:22,609 Where's Bubba? 45 00:07:37,416 --> 00:07:39,043 I don't see the boy nowhere. 46 00:07:40,919 --> 00:07:44,882 Well, when you do, you tell him he's grounded. Two weeks. 47 00:07:59,146 --> 00:08:02,649 - We'll find him. All right? - All right. 48 00:08:02,816 --> 00:08:05,819 See you all in a bit. Bye, sugar. 49 00:08:11,408 --> 00:08:13,827 And when we all went down there, 50 00:08:13,911 --> 00:08:18,373 we went across that big old pipe to that place 51 00:08:18,457 --> 00:08:23,295 in Robin Hood Woods they call the Devil's Den. 52 00:08:25,589 --> 00:08:29,593 And nobody knows what happened but me. 53 00:08:51,907 --> 00:08:53,075 Where's Stevie? 54 00:08:55,035 --> 00:08:59,873 He didn't come home yet, Pam. We couldn't find him. 55 00:09:02,835 --> 00:09:05,212 And you last saw him when he was cleaning the yard at 5:30? 56 00:09:05,379 --> 00:09:09,883 That's right. I told him to stay here till I got back. 57 00:09:10,968 --> 00:09:15,055 I had to punish him for riding his skateboard in the street. 58 00:09:17,391 --> 00:09:19,393 Just a couple of licks with my belt. 59 00:09:19,518 --> 00:09:21,854 Officer Meek, do you copy? 60 00:09:21,895 --> 00:09:22,980 This is Meek, go ahead. 61 00:09:23,063 --> 00:09:25,149 We got a black male at Bojangles Restaurant. 62 00:09:25,232 --> 00:09:27,985 Suspect appears to be bleeding. Could you respond? Over. 63 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:29,820 Affirmative. In route. 64 00:09:31,238 --> 00:09:34,074 Just sit tight and give 'em time. We'll be in touch. 65 00:09:34,616 --> 00:09:36,243 Hey, we're not done here yet. 66 00:09:36,326 --> 00:09:37,619 I got an eight-year-old son 67 00:09:37,703 --> 00:09:39,371 - out there after dark! - Hush now. 68 00:09:47,087 --> 00:09:48,422 Y'all call about a bleeding man? 69 00:09:48,505 --> 00:09:51,383 Yep. I'm the manager. I called about it. 70 00:09:51,425 --> 00:09:53,468 He came in about a half hour ago 71 00:09:53,719 --> 00:09:56,638 - and went straight into the ladies' bathroom. - The ladies' restroom? 72 00:09:56,722 --> 00:10:00,142 Yes, ma'am. The women's room. He was a black man. 73 00:10:00,225 --> 00:10:03,687 He seemed mentally disoriented. Had blood on his face. 74 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:04,813 He had a cast on his arm. 75 00:10:04,897 --> 00:10:06,273 Yeah, we went right in there after him, 76 00:10:06,356 --> 00:10:08,901 - and there was blood all over the walls. - Where is he now? 77 00:10:08,942 --> 00:10:11,403 He wandered off just a few minutes ago. 78 00:10:11,445 --> 00:10:13,780 - I could show you the blood. - Hold on. I'm gonna look around out here. 79 00:10:13,864 --> 00:10:15,407 Well now, ain't you gonna come inside? 80 00:10:35,385 --> 00:10:38,305 We saw all three of them go in there. 81 00:10:41,725 --> 00:10:43,977 Why didn't you tell me about this before? 82 00:10:44,019 --> 00:10:45,854 Everybody's already here. 83 00:10:45,938 --> 00:10:51,318 Stevie! Stevie! Stevie! 84 00:10:52,736 --> 00:10:56,240 Can you hear me? Stevie! 85 00:10:58,116 --> 00:10:59,243 Come on out! 86 00:11:00,369 --> 00:11:04,915 You're not in trouble, honey. Come on home! 87 00:11:07,167 --> 00:11:11,880 Stevie! Stevie! 88 00:11:14,508 --> 00:11:16,301 Can you hear me? 89 00:11:29,982 --> 00:11:31,650 What if he drowned in it, Terry? 90 00:11:43,203 --> 00:11:45,247 Have y'all got anybody out there looking for my boy? 91 00:11:45,330 --> 00:11:46,581 Three boys missing? I'm aware of that. 92 00:11:46,665 --> 00:11:49,668 We've been looking around in the dark and there's all sorts of people out there. 93 00:11:49,710 --> 00:11:52,212 There's neighbors, there's kids, there's people I don't even know... 94 00:11:52,254 --> 00:11:54,214 - Yes, listen... - But I ain't seen one, but one... 95 00:11:54,256 --> 00:11:56,717 - Ma'am, listen... - One police officer out there all night long. 96 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,593 Listen. We are doing everything we can. 97 00:11:58,677 --> 00:12:01,805 Now, I appreciate your concern. I got two boys myself. 98 00:12:02,264 --> 00:12:04,725 Sometimes boys, they like to run off and get into things. 99 00:12:04,808 --> 00:12:09,396 My son is eight years old! He sleeps with a nightlight on! 100 00:12:09,479 --> 00:12:13,483 - He did not run away from home. - Ma'am, you need to calm down. 101 00:12:13,567 --> 00:12:15,652 I'll calm down when you find my son. 102 00:12:17,529 --> 00:12:21,033 We're in front of the school where three kids are still missing. 103 00:12:21,074 --> 00:12:23,452 People are worried. Everyone here is concerned. 104 00:12:23,535 --> 00:12:27,622 Uh, we're worried 'cause we haven't seen him since about dinnertime. 105 00:12:27,706 --> 00:12:29,583 I'm worried about Christopher. We haven't seen him... 106 00:12:29,666 --> 00:12:30,667 Coffee? 107 00:12:30,917 --> 00:12:33,170 Thanks, Annie. Just the check. 108 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,716 You've been eating in here a lot lately. Just 'cause you want to visit me? 109 00:12:38,717 --> 00:12:41,386 Yeah. Not much cooking at my place these days. 110 00:12:43,513 --> 00:12:47,476 - I'm kind of glad we're so convenient. - Keep the rest. 111 00:12:48,101 --> 00:12:49,728 I've never been this worried in my life. 112 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,105 Everyone here seems to be looking around. 113 00:12:52,147 --> 00:12:53,273 They're all completely worried. 114 00:12:53,357 --> 00:12:55,275 Not really sure exactly what's gonna be going on. 115 00:12:55,359 --> 00:12:58,111 It's not just about these kids. It's about everybody. 116 00:12:58,153 --> 00:13:00,113 It's about the concern as a community. 117 00:13:11,708 --> 00:13:14,961 As you know, we have three boys missing from Holiday Garden. 118 00:13:15,921 --> 00:13:19,216 We have an entire community that's concerned here, and that's understandable. 119 00:13:20,258 --> 00:13:23,011 We got family members involved, parents involved. 120 00:13:23,428 --> 00:13:26,932 It's a very delicate situation. I want you to be thorough, 121 00:13:27,516 --> 00:13:29,476 but I want you to be easy with your questioning. 122 00:13:33,688 --> 00:13:35,649 I will personally be directing this search. 123 00:13:35,816 --> 00:13:38,402 Crittenden County Search and Rescue is gonna be assisting us. 124 00:13:38,485 --> 00:13:39,820 Memphis PD will help us out. 125 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,824 The electric company has got a full list of vacant houses. 126 00:13:43,865 --> 00:13:45,909 We got plenty of civilian volunteers. 127 00:13:46,284 --> 00:13:48,620 Obviously, this takes priority. 128 00:13:49,538 --> 00:13:53,083 Everything else is in the back seat from now on till we find these boys. 129 00:13:53,166 --> 00:13:56,711 And let me tell you something. We're gonna find these missing boys. 130 00:14:28,076 --> 00:14:29,119 This is Steve Jones. 131 00:14:29,327 --> 00:14:33,832 I'm in the woods by that little creek they call Devil's Den. I found something. 132 00:14:36,334 --> 00:14:38,128 I'm on my way. 133 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:14,200 We've now found all three bodies. 134 00:17:14,284 --> 00:17:15,535 Clothes and bicycles. 135 00:17:15,619 --> 00:17:17,871 POLICE OFFICER #2 ON Copy that. 136 00:17:45,357 --> 00:17:47,192 No! No! 137 00:17:52,947 --> 00:17:57,911 Stevie! Oh, God! 138 00:18:00,997 --> 00:18:02,707 No! 139 00:18:39,703 --> 00:18:42,372 Well, I just wanted to ask y'all about some folks 140 00:18:42,455 --> 00:18:46,251 who might have come by. I see y'all had lots of visitors. 141 00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:49,295 Mmm-hmm. 142 00:18:50,046 --> 00:18:54,884 People been kind. And generous. 143 00:18:57,804 --> 00:19:01,433 Did a young man named Bobby DeAngelo stop by? 144 00:19:02,350 --> 00:19:03,518 Yeah, he come by. 145 00:19:05,645 --> 00:19:08,064 His parents are friends of ours. 146 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,483 Was there anybody with him? 147 00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:15,029 Yeah. Um, this other boy, Chris. 148 00:19:16,781 --> 00:19:17,991 Christopher Morgan. 149 00:19:18,992 --> 00:19:23,163 They used to drive an ice cream truck around here in the neighborhood. 150 00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:30,003 Was it this young man? 151 00:19:32,172 --> 00:19:34,174 Mmm-hmm. Yeah, that's him. 152 00:19:36,509 --> 00:19:41,264 I think Pam fixed him a plate. There was so much food. 153 00:19:45,143 --> 00:19:47,562 Bobby asked us for a picture once of Stevie. 154 00:19:49,522 --> 00:19:50,523 He, uh... 155 00:19:52,525 --> 00:19:56,571 He come over here and wanted to show Stevie a ring 156 00:19:56,696 --> 00:20:00,784 of some kind of metal or something like a skull or a snake. 157 00:20:04,370 --> 00:20:07,373 And then he asked me for a picture of Stevie. 158 00:20:08,333 --> 00:20:09,959 And I gave him one. 159 00:20:14,464 --> 00:20:17,258 Okay. Okay. 160 00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:26,893 Well, we're gonna need to get some pictures of Stevie 161 00:20:26,935 --> 00:20:29,229 to show to people we interview, and, um... 162 00:20:31,898 --> 00:20:36,236 Also, we're, uh, gonna need to go ahead and get 163 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:39,030 blood and hair samples from the two of you. 164 00:20:39,072 --> 00:20:41,825 Just, you know, part of our investigation. 165 00:20:47,580 --> 00:20:49,999 Take it. Just take it. 166 00:20:50,917 --> 00:20:52,043 Just take all of it. 167 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:54,295 - I don't want it. - That's okay. 168 00:20:54,379 --> 00:20:57,465 I don't want it. I don't want it. Is that gonna help? 169 00:20:57,882 --> 00:20:59,175 It's okay. 170 00:21:02,595 --> 00:21:03,596 It's okay. 171 00:21:14,649 --> 00:21:18,319 Oceanside PD. How may I direct your call? Uh-huh. Right. 172 00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:25,285 Hey. I'm Chris Morgan. You wanted to talk to me? 173 00:21:26,786 --> 00:21:31,416 Last time I seen Stevie was about a year and a half ago. 174 00:21:32,709 --> 00:21:34,711 When I sold him some ice cream. 175 00:21:34,794 --> 00:21:37,630 I'm sure I sold ice cream to all three of those boys. 176 00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:45,013 Bobby and me went over to Stevie's house 'cause Bobby was close with them. 177 00:21:45,805 --> 00:21:50,643 We wanted to show, um, remorse. 178 00:21:52,687 --> 00:21:55,899 It felt good. They accepted me. 179 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,822 Uh, what was your overall impression of Chris Morgan? 180 00:22:03,406 --> 00:22:05,825 Well, look, there's something going on here, 181 00:22:05,867 --> 00:22:09,913 and it makes me a little suspicious that he left for California in such a hurry. 182 00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:14,334 - Okay, uh, you do me a favor? - Sure. 183 00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:17,921 - Could you re-interview him, please? - Uh-huh. 184 00:22:18,838 --> 00:22:21,633 - We're under a lot of pressure down here. - Yeah, I bet. 185 00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:23,426 You got your work cut out for you. 186 00:22:23,593 --> 00:22:25,511 - Yeah. - Let me go at him again. 187 00:22:25,595 --> 00:22:27,680 All right. Thank you, Detective. 188 00:22:29,807 --> 00:22:34,020 You should, like... You gotta do like album covers and shit, Jason. 189 00:22:34,854 --> 00:22:37,857 Yeah, maybe. Maybe someday. 190 00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:17,981 Heavy metal music. Ouija boards. 191 00:23:19,232 --> 00:23:24,362 All these are gateways to a dark world of violence and destruction. 192 00:23:26,572 --> 00:23:30,076 Everything from vandalism, animal mutilation, 193 00:23:30,493 --> 00:23:36,916 to the ritual sacrifice of children. Thousands of them every year. 194 00:23:37,917 --> 00:23:42,797 My boy, Aaron... He's a close friend of them boys. 195 00:23:43,965 --> 00:23:47,468 I mean, Michael Moore and Chris Byers is his two best friends. 196 00:23:48,219 --> 00:23:50,054 Did you ride your bike to Robin Hood Woods? 197 00:23:50,513 --> 00:23:51,764 - Yes. - Excuse me, Aaron. 198 00:23:51,806 --> 00:23:52,807 When we ask you a question, 199 00:23:52,974 --> 00:23:54,600 we want you to look in the camera, if you don't mind. 200 00:23:54,684 --> 00:23:55,685 - Okay? - Okay. 201 00:23:56,602 --> 00:23:58,855 Just look right in the lens. Okay. 202 00:24:00,023 --> 00:24:01,274 Were you present 203 00:24:01,357 --> 00:24:03,443 - when those boys were killed? - Yes. 204 00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:06,487 What did the hospital tell you, Damien? 205 00:24:06,821 --> 00:24:09,782 At Charter Hospital, I was diagnosed as manic depressive. 206 00:24:11,159 --> 00:24:14,370 I'm in therapy now and on imipramine for depression. 207 00:24:15,371 --> 00:24:18,583 I'm just curious. How do you think the killer felt? 208 00:24:19,459 --> 00:24:22,962 They liked it. Happy. 209 00:24:25,131 --> 00:24:26,424 It was a thrill kill. 210 00:24:32,346 --> 00:24:34,849 How about you, Jason? Did you know the three boys? 211 00:24:35,725 --> 00:24:36,976 No, sir. 212 00:24:38,102 --> 00:24:41,022 - Do you believe in God? - Yes, I do. 213 00:24:41,522 --> 00:24:44,317 How about you, Damien? You believe in God? 214 00:24:45,318 --> 00:24:46,652 Or the devil? 215 00:24:47,945 --> 00:24:50,490 I believe in a god. A female god. 216 00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:54,035 And an evil force. Not a devil. 217 00:24:55,661 --> 00:24:59,540 I used to be involved in the Wiccan religion. White witchcraft. 218 00:25:00,333 --> 00:25:02,418 When you would go out to Robin Hood Woods, 219 00:25:02,502 --> 00:25:05,713 - who would you go with? - With Chris and Michael. 220 00:25:06,672 --> 00:25:09,342 Did you ever see anything out there? 221 00:25:10,426 --> 00:25:13,513 We saw, uh, men. 222 00:25:26,067 --> 00:25:29,570 I ran and Jessie caught me. 223 00:25:29,946 --> 00:25:32,448 Um, he tied me up. 224 00:25:33,866 --> 00:25:37,370 He tried to cut me on my side. 225 00:25:37,870 --> 00:25:38,871 I kicked him. 226 00:25:39,872 --> 00:25:44,127 Then he grabbed my hands and made me cut Chris. 227 00:25:46,087 --> 00:25:50,174 This is Detective Bryn Ridge of the West Memphis Police Department, 228 00:25:50,216 --> 00:25:54,637 currently in the office with Jessie Lloyd Misskelley Junior. 229 00:25:56,556 --> 00:26:01,686 Jessie, on Wednesday, May 5, 1993, early in the morning, 230 00:26:01,727 --> 00:26:03,813 you received a phone call. Is that correct? 231 00:26:04,564 --> 00:26:07,233 Yeah, I did. Jason Baldwin called me 232 00:26:07,275 --> 00:26:09,652 and he asked if I could go to West Memphis with him, 233 00:26:09,735 --> 00:26:12,989 and I told him no. I had to work and stuff. 234 00:26:13,072 --> 00:26:17,034 And then he told me that he had to go. So him and Damien, they went. 235 00:26:17,076 --> 00:26:20,872 Then I went with them up to the... Up to the Robin Hood. 236 00:26:21,664 --> 00:26:22,832 Jessie and Damien 237 00:26:22,915 --> 00:26:27,461 picked him up and put a bucket where he was bleeding. 238 00:26:27,753 --> 00:26:30,631 So you saw Damien strike Chris Byers in the head? 239 00:26:30,715 --> 00:26:32,466 - Right. - What did he hit him with? 240 00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:35,511 Well, he hit him with his fist and bruised him all up real bad. 241 00:26:35,928 --> 00:26:38,472 And then Jason, he turned, and he hit Stevie Branch, 242 00:26:38,556 --> 00:26:41,100 and that's when Michael Moore, he took off. 243 00:26:41,142 --> 00:26:44,770 So I chased him, grabbed him and held him until they got there. 244 00:26:44,854 --> 00:26:47,440 And then, and that's when I left. 245 00:26:48,065 --> 00:26:49,650 Who had a knife? 246 00:26:52,612 --> 00:26:58,159 Jason. I saw him cut one of those little boys. 247 00:27:30,650 --> 00:27:31,817 There's someone inside your house. 248 00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:34,445 He's gonna kill you. You have to run for it. 249 00:27:34,487 --> 00:27:35,696 It's the police. 250 00:27:36,781 --> 00:27:38,491 Michelle, get the door. 251 00:27:45,081 --> 00:27:48,584 We're looking for Damien Echols. Come on. 252 00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:51,462 All right, go check the back. 253 00:27:52,338 --> 00:27:54,548 You his sister? Folks not home? 254 00:27:57,009 --> 00:27:58,344 - What are you doing? - We were just watching a movie. 255 00:27:58,386 --> 00:27:59,387 Come on, stop. 256 00:27:59,512 --> 00:28:01,347 Jason Baldwin, you're under arrest, too. 257 00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:02,556 - What for? - Capital... 258 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,683 Shut up! 259 00:28:03,724 --> 00:28:05,017 - Capital murder. - He didn't do anything! 260 00:28:05,059 --> 00:28:06,227 You got the wrong people. 261 00:28:55,901 --> 00:28:59,572 Hey, boss. West Memphis PD is holding a press conference. 262 00:29:07,496 --> 00:29:11,000 Police force and families of the victims. 263 00:29:12,585 --> 00:29:15,588 Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin, Jessie Misskelley 264 00:29:15,671 --> 00:29:18,841 were arrested last night, will be charged in the murders 265 00:29:18,924 --> 00:29:22,136 of the three boys we found last month in the Robin Hood Woods. 266 00:29:22,428 --> 00:29:25,139 Inspector Gitchell, do you know the motive for the killings? 267 00:29:25,222 --> 00:29:27,099 I do, but I can't comment on that at this time. 268 00:29:27,183 --> 00:29:29,185 Can we interview them? 269 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:31,437 Were the three defendants a member of a cult? 270 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,105 I can't comment on that either. 271 00:29:33,189 --> 00:29:34,899 Well, on a scale of one to 10, 272 00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:37,109 how solid do you feel your case is? 273 00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:39,445 Eleven. 274 00:29:42,365 --> 00:29:46,452 Apparently, the break in the case was the confession of Jessie Misskelley, 275 00:29:46,494 --> 00:29:49,121 one of the accused in this horrific crime 276 00:29:49,163 --> 00:29:51,290 that has shocked this entire community. 277 00:29:51,374 --> 00:29:54,919 Satanism is out there. And you must be watchful 278 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,463 for the six indicators of Satanic involvement. 279 00:29:58,089 --> 00:30:02,385 Obsession with death. Satanic paraphernalia. Kidnapping. Sexual abuse. 280 00:30:02,468 --> 00:30:04,136 Cannibalism. And cremation. 281 00:30:04,261 --> 00:30:07,473 And I believe that there may be others who knew that, 282 00:30:07,515 --> 00:30:13,145 that these three babies were going to be sacrificed. My wife and I are scared. 283 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:19,485 Satan and his demons have already been at work here in West Memphis. 284 00:30:19,568 --> 00:30:22,780 Worship of evil debated as motive in killings. 285 00:30:22,905 --> 00:30:25,116 This article in the West Memphis Evening Times 286 00:30:25,199 --> 00:30:26,659 claims that people who knew Damien said 287 00:30:26,742 --> 00:30:28,994 he dressed in black and carried a cat skull. 288 00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:32,915 It also claims he wears the number 666 inside his boots. 289 00:30:32,998 --> 00:30:34,959 And then it goes on to quote two unnamed girls, 290 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,336 one who said she's seen Damien drink blood. 291 00:30:37,378 --> 00:30:39,505 And another who said Damien threatened 292 00:30:39,547 --> 00:30:41,674 to cut off a boy's head off and put it on a doorstep. 293 00:30:41,715 --> 00:30:43,134 Sounds like an energetic young man. 294 00:30:43,175 --> 00:30:44,927 There is definitely a connection 295 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:47,596 between hard metal music and Satanism. 296 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,017 Apparently, some residents suspect a Satanic cult is responsible. 297 00:30:52,101 --> 00:30:55,980 One local minister said Damien Echols, the alleged ringleader, 298 00:30:56,021 --> 00:30:59,608 had made, quote, a pact with the devil and will be going to hell. 299 00:30:59,692 --> 00:31:04,447 Another called the murders an incarnation, a manifestation of evil. 300 00:31:21,172 --> 00:31:22,756 And the upcoming 301 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,467 nuclear disarmament talks in Ukraine. 302 00:31:24,550 --> 00:31:27,887 In West Memphis, prosecutors have confirmed that the State 303 00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:31,307 will seek the death penalty for all three teenage defendants. 304 00:31:31,390 --> 00:31:35,519 Arkansas has executed four individuals since the Supreme Court ruling 305 00:31:35,561 --> 00:31:38,230 allowed the State to reinstate capital punishment. 306 00:31:38,272 --> 00:31:41,025 Two in 1990 and two more... 307 00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:42,276 Can you believe this, Glori? 308 00:31:43,194 --> 00:31:46,363 The death penalty. And all three of 'em teenagers. 309 00:31:46,530 --> 00:31:48,574 My God, Jason Baldwin's only 16. 310 00:31:49,033 --> 00:31:52,369 They'll need a good investigator, and the court will never pay. 311 00:31:52,786 --> 00:31:55,873 Tell those court appointed lawyers if they want me, I'm offering my services. 312 00:31:56,248 --> 00:31:59,835 Pro bono? Are you sure you want to do that, boss? 313 00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:01,712 I mean, we have got a lot on our plate right now. 314 00:32:02,087 --> 00:32:04,131 We got that big insurance fraud case. 315 00:32:04,715 --> 00:32:06,759 This just isn't the best time to be working for a 'cause. 316 00:32:06,842 --> 00:32:09,970 You know how I feel about these death penalty cases. It's the least I can do. 317 00:32:10,387 --> 00:32:12,640 I know, but this crime is unthinkable. 318 00:32:13,182 --> 00:32:15,309 What if they did it? Have you thought of that? 319 00:32:15,434 --> 00:32:17,770 And what if they didn't? And even if they did, 320 00:32:18,312 --> 00:32:21,398 I think three dead kids is enough. I'm on my way. 321 00:32:22,358 --> 00:32:25,110 Mr. Lax, I'm Dan Stidham. I represent Jessie Misskelley. 322 00:32:25,528 --> 00:32:29,281 This is Paul Ford from Jonesboro. He represents Jason Baldwin. 323 00:32:29,406 --> 00:32:32,034 And Val Price is the public defender who's been appointed 324 00:32:32,117 --> 00:32:34,495 to represent Damien Echols. Please have a seat. 325 00:32:38,749 --> 00:32:40,876 I understand Jessie has recanted his confession. 326 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:42,002 Does that surprise you? 327 00:32:42,086 --> 00:32:44,129 No. It's hard to believe anyone would confess 328 00:32:44,213 --> 00:32:45,756 to such a crime if he hadn't done it. 329 00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:47,925 Got any experts lined up? 330 00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:50,553 I've got a doctor who will testify that Jessie 331 00:32:50,636 --> 00:32:52,680 reasons on the level of a six to eight-year-old. 332 00:32:52,763 --> 00:32:55,140 He was once diagnosed as mentally retarded. 333 00:32:56,058 --> 00:32:59,562 - Do you think he's guilty? - In my experience, most of them are. 334 00:33:03,023 --> 00:33:05,859 So Mr. Lax, if they're most likely guilty, 335 00:33:06,026 --> 00:33:08,320 why volunteer to help us build a case? 336 00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:11,490 Because if you don't have a strong case, 337 00:33:11,532 --> 00:33:14,326 the State is going to kill three young men. 338 00:33:14,994 --> 00:33:17,538 And I can't stand by and watch that happen. 339 00:33:17,621 --> 00:33:19,582 Now, tell me about Damien Echols. 340 00:33:20,332 --> 00:33:24,128 He lives in a trailer park with his family, on social assistance. 341 00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:27,506 Difficult kid. He's had serious run-ins with the law. 342 00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:30,509 He spent time in juvenile detention. 343 00:33:31,927 --> 00:33:37,516 Now being as I've been his probation officer for as long as I've been, 344 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,103 he always seems to me to be like one of these 345 00:33:42,855 --> 00:33:44,607 slasher movie-type guys. 346 00:33:45,858 --> 00:33:50,279 His boots and coat, heavy metal music, 347 00:33:52,281 --> 00:33:54,199 long, stringy black hair. 348 00:33:55,618 --> 00:33:58,203 Now, may I... Have you seen his case file? 349 00:33:58,954 --> 00:34:03,667 I mean, this boy is troubled. He's been in and out of psychiatric wards. 350 00:34:04,084 --> 00:34:06,545 And he said he was involved in the occult. 351 00:34:06,587 --> 00:34:09,715 Oh, yeah. Some of his followers included Jason Baldwin. 352 00:34:10,049 --> 00:34:13,052 And of course, his pregnant girlfriend. 353 00:34:13,093 --> 00:34:17,598 He's got her name carved on his arm. 354 00:34:18,390 --> 00:34:21,393 - And I worry about that baby. - Why? 355 00:34:22,186 --> 00:34:24,396 Because of the rumor that they're going to sacrifice it to Satan. 356 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,522 You're saying you actually believe that? 357 00:34:25,564 --> 00:34:27,733 - You bet I do. - Come on, Jerry. 358 00:34:30,277 --> 00:34:33,781 All that occult-crime, Satanic-panic stuff's been studied by the FBI 359 00:34:33,864 --> 00:34:36,033 and they say it's all smoke and no fire. 360 00:34:36,075 --> 00:34:38,786 I know what I've seen with my own two eyes. 361 00:34:39,370 --> 00:34:42,539 And I'm telling you evidence of occult activity was everywhere that summer. 362 00:34:45,042 --> 00:34:47,336 In this old abandoned schoolhouse... 363 00:34:48,295 --> 00:34:50,714 I mean, Steve Jones saw something. 364 00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:59,181 It's like a picture I'd seen in a book about the serial killer, Son of Sam. 365 00:34:59,390 --> 00:35:02,601 Like somebody had restaged the scene. 366 00:35:04,103 --> 00:35:07,690 Or re-enacted it. So ever since that summer. 367 00:35:07,773 --> 00:35:10,859 I've been telling the local police to watch him. 368 00:35:11,694 --> 00:35:13,362 'Cause I knew something bad was gonna happen. 369 00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:17,366 I sent Steve Jones over to Damien's house. 370 00:35:18,784 --> 00:35:21,412 And he found all sorts of crazy stuff in Damien's room. 371 00:35:21,787 --> 00:35:24,123 Evidence of his interest in the occult. 372 00:35:28,127 --> 00:35:31,004 About a year ago, Damien told me that the local devil worshippers 373 00:35:31,088 --> 00:35:33,549 had reached the end of their animal sacrifice stage. 374 00:35:33,632 --> 00:35:36,218 And I'm talking about things they do to receive power. 375 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,224 So that summer, he said they were gonna take the next logical step. 376 00:35:44,017 --> 00:35:47,271 Sacrifice a human. A human. 377 00:35:49,898 --> 00:35:54,069 - Stevie. - Pam. Dreaming again. 378 00:35:55,487 --> 00:35:56,864 Dream. 379 00:35:58,365 --> 00:35:59,366 Come here. 380 00:36:19,344 --> 00:36:21,680 You have asthma and you smoke? 381 00:36:22,931 --> 00:36:25,017 I guess I'm just self-destructive. 382 00:36:28,687 --> 00:36:31,899 I spoke to your probation officer, Jerry Driver. 383 00:36:32,733 --> 00:36:35,486 - He had a lot to say about you. - I bet. 384 00:36:37,654 --> 00:36:40,699 Said they found a lot of stuff in your room. 385 00:36:40,783 --> 00:36:44,161 - Evidence of your interest in the occult. - My notebooks. 386 00:36:45,454 --> 00:36:47,289 They're just song lyrics I liked. 387 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,793 Quotes from my favorite books and movies. 388 00:36:51,543 --> 00:36:54,004 What about the things you told him? 389 00:36:54,588 --> 00:36:57,633 About devil worshippers planning on making human sacrifices. 390 00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:02,554 I was just messing with his mind. 391 00:37:04,598 --> 00:37:08,727 That you threatened to eat your father and cut your mother's throat. 392 00:37:09,269 --> 00:37:10,896 Driver's a liar. 393 00:37:11,522 --> 00:37:16,902 It's not just Driver. There's a lot of people saying things, damaging things. 394 00:37:18,987 --> 00:37:20,239 Listen to this. 395 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,074 Why should I listen to you? 396 00:37:22,908 --> 00:37:25,953 Why should I answer your questions? Are you my lawyer? 397 00:37:26,537 --> 00:37:29,081 No. I'm working with them. 398 00:37:29,915 --> 00:37:35,045 You're working for them? What are you, like a lawyer's assistant? 399 00:37:36,713 --> 00:37:38,131 I'm an investigator. 400 00:37:39,216 --> 00:37:41,635 But you won't be representing me in court. 401 00:37:42,261 --> 00:37:45,514 No. No, I'm not allowed to do that. 402 00:37:46,473 --> 00:37:49,351 So I'm just supposed to trust you? Tell you everything? 403 00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:52,354 If you want me to help you, yes. 404 00:37:59,486 --> 00:38:01,280 Those cops are scary, okay? 405 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:08,245 They will do anything to get people to say what they want to hear. 406 00:38:11,498 --> 00:38:14,251 Why would so many people say all these things about you? 407 00:38:14,918 --> 00:38:18,422 Why did those girls say people were witches back in Salem? 408 00:38:18,964 --> 00:38:21,216 Any time anything weird happens around here, 409 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,844 people blame it on devil worshippers. 410 00:38:25,178 --> 00:38:26,430 And on me. 411 00:38:31,393 --> 00:38:35,731 What about the incident when you were locked up at the JDC in Jonesboro? 412 00:38:35,814 --> 00:38:37,441 They say you drank some kid's blood. 413 00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:41,570 I didn't attack him. He offered it. 414 00:38:43,488 --> 00:38:48,285 I did that with a knife. That's my girlfriend's name. 415 00:38:48,827 --> 00:38:51,538 I've been cutting myself for a long time. 416 00:38:51,622 --> 00:38:52,915 Why? 417 00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:56,960 There's power in the blood. 418 00:38:58,128 --> 00:38:59,922 It's how we get power. 419 00:39:01,214 --> 00:39:04,259 Through drinking the blood of others. 420 00:39:06,178 --> 00:39:09,348 By biting, cutting. 421 00:39:11,516 --> 00:39:13,268 And rituals. 422 00:39:15,479 --> 00:39:18,982 I've been doing it since I was, like, 10 years old. 423 00:39:21,777 --> 00:39:25,113 These people think I'm a Satanic leader. I'm not. 424 00:39:26,406 --> 00:39:29,201 They think I'm in a cult. I'm not. 425 00:39:29,493 --> 00:39:33,246 I just have an interest in witchcraft 426 00:39:33,330 --> 00:39:36,416 as a way to power, to control. 427 00:39:43,548 --> 00:39:47,636 Pam, do you feel the people who did this were worshipping, um... 428 00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:52,182 - Satan? Yes, I do. I do. - Why? 429 00:39:52,891 --> 00:39:58,230 Just look at 'em. They look like punks. They look like freaks. 430 00:39:59,064 --> 00:40:01,984 You don't look like that when you're, like, a normal person. 431 00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:05,445 And they listen to that music. 432 00:40:05,988 --> 00:40:10,367 And everybody knows they... I heard from a bunch of people 433 00:40:10,575 --> 00:40:14,997 that they been hearing that they been, you know, worshipping Satan 434 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,249 and killing dogs and things like that. 435 00:40:17,332 --> 00:40:20,210 You think the way they dress had something to do with the... 436 00:40:20,252 --> 00:40:24,923 Absolutely yes, I do. You don't dress like that when you... When you, um... 437 00:40:25,298 --> 00:40:29,511 - Pam, what are you holding? - Oh, this? Um, this is 438 00:40:29,594 --> 00:40:33,098 part of Stevie's Boy Scout uniform. 439 00:40:33,432 --> 00:40:37,060 I got it back yesterday, and I've been wearing it on my head, like that. 440 00:40:37,394 --> 00:40:39,438 Did he like scouting? 441 00:40:40,397 --> 00:40:45,652 Oh, yeah. He loved it. He loved it. He did. 442 00:40:46,945 --> 00:40:52,659 He'd be so excited when he'd be having a day that he'd go to Boy Scout meetings. 443 00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,953 Um... Yeah, he did. 444 00:41:10,177 --> 00:41:12,012 I saw you on TV. 445 00:41:16,475 --> 00:41:18,310 What the hell are you doing? 446 00:41:20,395 --> 00:41:22,314 You're supposed to be in mourning. 447 00:41:24,149 --> 00:41:26,902 You're not acting right. 448 00:41:28,653 --> 00:41:30,363 What's that supposed to mean? 449 00:41:32,783 --> 00:41:38,288 On the TV. Treating his scarf like some kind of prop. 450 00:41:41,625 --> 00:41:43,668 Acting like a goddamn silly fool. 451 00:41:46,505 --> 00:41:50,592 I'm not acting at all, Terry. Are you? 452 00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:54,971 Is that what you've been doing? 453 00:41:57,516 --> 00:42:00,644 I think maybe you're glad Stevie's gone. 454 00:42:00,852 --> 00:42:03,939 'Cause you were always hard on him. Way too hard. 455 00:42:07,943 --> 00:42:10,028 What the hell are you talking about? 456 00:42:10,112 --> 00:42:11,780 Every time I spent time with him, 457 00:42:11,863 --> 00:42:14,324 or I fell asleep with him 'cause he was afraid, 458 00:42:14,366 --> 00:42:16,201 you blamed him. You was jealous of him. 459 00:42:16,243 --> 00:42:17,869 You shut up! 460 00:42:17,953 --> 00:42:21,873 What? You'll hit me? Now that he's gone, I'm all you got left? 461 00:42:22,374 --> 00:42:27,712 Go ahead. Hit me. Hit me. I dare you, hit me. 462 00:42:41,393 --> 00:42:45,480 Mommy? Daddy? 463 00:42:49,693 --> 00:42:51,236 You hear that? 464 00:42:55,574 --> 00:42:57,576 You ain't the only one I got left. 465 00:43:07,127 --> 00:43:09,880 You're supposed to be a grieving mother. 466 00:43:11,339 --> 00:43:13,842 You start behaving like one. 467 00:43:16,428 --> 00:43:18,054 You hear me? 468 00:43:31,526 --> 00:43:37,073 Daddy, they asked me a lot of questions over and over. 469 00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,702 Tons of questions, and I tried to make them happy. 470 00:43:41,703 --> 00:43:43,914 But I did not do it. 471 00:43:49,628 --> 00:43:53,006 Superior Court of Crittenden County, come to order. 472 00:43:58,053 --> 00:44:00,972 Since Mr. Misskelley has retracted his confession, 473 00:44:01,014 --> 00:44:04,851 I presume he will not be testifying against his co-defendants. 474 00:44:05,477 --> 00:44:07,062 That is correct, Your Honor. 475 00:44:07,229 --> 00:44:09,856 Then I rule his trial be severed from theirs 476 00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:12,400 because they would be denied their constitutional right 477 00:44:12,484 --> 00:44:14,152 to cross examine their accuser. 478 00:44:15,237 --> 00:44:18,740 - Anything else? - No. Thank you. 479 00:44:22,827 --> 00:44:26,623 Separate trials. Jessie's gonna be tried on his own. 480 00:44:30,252 --> 00:44:32,587 Murderer! Murderer! 481 00:44:44,516 --> 00:44:46,810 Satan worshippers! 482 00:45:13,128 --> 00:45:14,921 Hey, I tried you at home. 483 00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:18,216 I need to talk to you about something, in person. 484 00:45:18,508 --> 00:45:22,220 Will you meet me for lunch tomorrow, 1:00 at the Arcade? 485 00:45:22,804 --> 00:45:26,099 It's really important. Okay. Good night. 486 00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,063 Tell me what happened when you got to Robin Hood Woods. 487 00:45:32,105 --> 00:45:35,900 Jessie started running and caught Steve. 488 00:45:36,901 --> 00:45:41,197 Then Michael and Chris jumped out of the tree. 489 00:45:42,574 --> 00:45:47,412 Then, um, they took them, 490 00:45:47,996 --> 00:45:52,083 and, um, they killed them. 491 00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:36,961 Jessie and Damien picked him up 492 00:46:37,003 --> 00:46:40,507 and put a bucket where he was bleeding. 493 00:46:41,633 --> 00:46:46,596 Then they poured it in a glass and made me drink it. 494 00:46:46,971 --> 00:46:51,142 And nobody knows what happened but me. 495 00:47:35,478 --> 00:47:38,189 - What would you like? - May I have a tea, please? 496 00:47:38,481 --> 00:47:40,984 - Sweet or unsweet? - Unsweet, please. 497 00:47:41,192 --> 00:47:43,987 And you would like coffee, black, with a glass of water, right? 498 00:47:44,028 --> 00:47:45,947 Right. Thanks, Annie. 499 00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:50,618 - Annie. - I'm in here a lot these days. 500 00:47:51,369 --> 00:47:53,204 She's very pretty. She likes you. 501 00:47:53,580 --> 00:47:55,165 She just likes a good tip. 502 00:47:55,498 --> 00:47:58,042 Thanks for meeting me. I know you're very busy. 503 00:47:58,084 --> 00:47:59,627 It's good to hear from you. 504 00:48:00,628 --> 00:48:02,714 What's so important, Maggie? 505 00:48:05,300 --> 00:48:10,054 The State Police. They called me. Then they came by my office, 506 00:48:10,096 --> 00:48:13,892 and they were asking all these questions about you, about your past. 507 00:48:14,726 --> 00:48:17,187 They knew everything about our divorce proceeding. 508 00:48:17,395 --> 00:48:19,189 They knew everything. 509 00:48:19,397 --> 00:48:22,317 It's like they were digging for something to use against you 510 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,489 and expected me to help, as if I'd be out to get you because of the divorce. 511 00:48:27,989 --> 00:48:32,660 I was so insulted, I was so angry, and I said what they were doing was wrong. 512 00:48:34,704 --> 00:48:37,290 I may have even made some legal threats to them. 513 00:48:37,624 --> 00:48:41,419 I mean, you're a respected man in this city. You're not on trial here. 514 00:48:42,378 --> 00:48:43,671 It's fine. 515 00:48:44,047 --> 00:48:47,133 Thanks for telling me about this and for having my back. 516 00:48:47,217 --> 00:48:48,426 Here you go. 517 00:48:57,435 --> 00:48:59,270 My attorney said he sent you the agreement. 518 00:48:59,354 --> 00:49:02,482 I got it. I think maybe I misplaced it. 519 00:49:03,107 --> 00:49:04,609 He can send another one. 520 00:49:04,734 --> 00:49:06,277 It's just that with all the paperwork in the case, 521 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:09,447 you know, things get jumbled up. Anyway, I'll find it. 522 00:49:10,698 --> 00:49:12,575 Ron, I'm worried about you. 523 00:49:13,785 --> 00:49:15,912 These boys that you're helping, 524 00:49:16,287 --> 00:49:19,791 from what I've seen on TV and read in the papers... 525 00:49:20,792 --> 00:49:23,628 The police seem so certain. Are you sure you want to do this? 526 00:49:23,878 --> 00:49:27,382 Yes. Yes, I am. 527 00:49:27,507 --> 00:49:31,010 It's just that sometimes you take these things so personally. 528 00:49:31,427 --> 00:49:35,306 You know, you lose perspective. You get obsessed. 529 00:49:35,515 --> 00:49:36,891 That's right, Maggie. 530 00:49:37,767 --> 00:49:39,477 You know when I see something like this happening, 531 00:49:39,561 --> 00:49:41,604 when I see a town lose three of its children, 532 00:49:41,646 --> 00:49:45,483 then sacrifice three more for revenge, then I do take it personally. 533 00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:48,570 And maybe I do get a little bit obsessed. 534 00:49:48,778 --> 00:49:52,865 So I'll just keep doing things my way. You don't have to worry about me anymore. 535 00:49:52,949 --> 00:49:56,119 You know, if the police are so goddamned certain about their case then tell me this. 536 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,205 Why are they coming to me, harassing my ex-wife? 537 00:50:00,456 --> 00:50:03,167 You know, I just remembered, I have to be in court. Early. 538 00:50:03,668 --> 00:50:07,714 So thanks again for what you did. And I'll sign the papers. 539 00:50:08,673 --> 00:50:11,593 Ron, please don't. 540 00:50:16,514 --> 00:50:20,852 And then we followed Detective Allen into the woods. 541 00:50:23,646 --> 00:50:26,149 All the way down to Ten Mile Bayou. 542 00:50:27,692 --> 00:50:32,447 Near the big drainpipe behind the truck wash. And, uh... 543 00:50:34,282 --> 00:50:38,494 This trial's a waste of time. We all know he's guilty. 544 00:50:38,703 --> 00:50:41,581 We ought to just fry him and get it over with. 545 00:50:42,206 --> 00:50:46,544 Then maybe these journalist parasites can go back to wherever they come from. 546 00:50:48,504 --> 00:50:52,008 Crawled on my hands and knees and felt along with my hands 547 00:50:52,091 --> 00:50:55,595 and came to a piece of cloth. 548 00:50:56,512 --> 00:50:59,932 This ended up being a white shirt 549 00:51:00,141 --> 00:51:04,187 that was jabbed into the mud with a stick. 550 00:51:04,562 --> 00:51:08,733 I moved further along the ditch and came to what would be the 551 00:51:09,525 --> 00:51:10,902 second body. 552 00:51:14,072 --> 00:51:18,701 This is the body of Steve Branch after I pulled him from the water. 553 00:52:07,166 --> 00:52:08,626 Stevie. 554 00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:41,302 Who can solve this problem? 555 00:53:44,138 --> 00:53:46,808 - Mrs. Wilson? - Yes. 556 00:53:46,891 --> 00:53:50,394 - I'm so sorry to interrupt, I... - That's okay. 557 00:53:51,229 --> 00:53:55,316 I just, uh, found this, 558 00:53:55,399 --> 00:54:00,071 this homework that Stevie did that day. 559 00:54:00,613 --> 00:54:06,619 Before. And I'm just wondering if you, you could grade it. 560 00:54:06,911 --> 00:54:10,915 - Sure. - Thank you. 561 00:54:28,474 --> 00:54:32,228 It's perfect, as usual. He was very good at math. 562 00:54:38,693 --> 00:54:42,196 He studied real hard at everything. 563 00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:44,323 He was a good boy. 564 00:54:44,657 --> 00:54:46,325 Yes, ma'am, he was. 565 00:54:47,994 --> 00:54:49,787 Thank you. 566 00:54:50,246 --> 00:54:53,749 - Mrs. Hobbs? - Yes. 567 00:55:15,396 --> 00:55:19,942 Inspector, during the course of your conversation with Mr. Misskelley, 568 00:55:20,151 --> 00:55:23,029 was there a portion of a tape played for the defendant? 569 00:55:23,321 --> 00:55:26,365 Uh, yes, sir. I played this. 570 00:55:33,164 --> 00:55:37,960 And nobody knows what happened but me. 571 00:55:38,836 --> 00:55:42,340 And after hearing the tape, what was the defendant's reaction? 572 00:55:42,632 --> 00:55:46,135 Jessie immediately stated that he wanted to tell us about it. 573 00:55:46,218 --> 00:55:49,722 Then he said that he was present when the boys were murdered. 574 00:55:52,308 --> 00:55:54,560 Now, you got in front of you pictures 575 00:55:55,102 --> 00:55:56,729 of the three boys that were killed. 576 00:55:56,812 --> 00:56:00,316 Now, which one of these three is it you say you saw Damien hit? 577 00:56:02,777 --> 00:56:07,239 Misskelley has indicated the third photo, which will be... 578 00:56:07,657 --> 00:56:09,450 Michael Moore. 579 00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:18,542 Are you pointing... Uh, that's the Byers boy. 580 00:56:19,502 --> 00:56:20,795 Christopher? 581 00:56:20,878 --> 00:56:23,255 Yeah. Is that who you're pointing at? 582 00:56:23,339 --> 00:56:24,715 Uh-huh. Yeah. 583 00:56:30,846 --> 00:56:33,099 What time did all this take place? 584 00:56:35,142 --> 00:56:37,603 About 12:00 noon. 585 00:56:37,853 --> 00:56:41,899 Okay. Was it after school let out? 586 00:56:43,526 --> 00:56:45,861 I... I don't go to school. 587 00:56:46,654 --> 00:56:47,989 These little boys... 588 00:56:48,072 --> 00:56:53,869 - No, no, no. They... - They skipped school. 589 00:56:59,041 --> 00:57:02,294 The little boys didn't skip school that day, did they, Inspector? 590 00:57:02,670 --> 00:57:04,463 No, the little boys did not. 591 00:57:04,755 --> 00:57:07,258 When Jessie said the murders took place around noon, 592 00:57:07,466 --> 00:57:10,261 you knew that wasn't correct, did you not? 593 00:57:10,428 --> 00:57:12,138 That's right. 594 00:57:12,221 --> 00:57:15,433 Jessie, uh, what time did the boys come into the woods? 595 00:57:17,393 --> 00:57:20,438 What, I would say about 5:00 or 6:00. 596 00:57:20,938 --> 00:57:25,735 Earlier, uh, you said 7:00 or 8:00. What time is it? 597 00:57:26,110 --> 00:57:27,737 It was 7:00 or 8:00. 598 00:57:27,778 --> 00:57:29,864 It was... Are you... You are sure of that? 599 00:57:29,947 --> 00:57:32,199 Yeah, yeah. It was getting dark outside. 600 00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:34,118 Okay. 601 00:57:36,412 --> 00:57:38,706 And what did they use to tie the boys up with? 602 00:57:42,585 --> 00:57:43,919 Rope. 603 00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:51,302 How were the boys tied when the bodies were discovered? 604 00:57:51,343 --> 00:57:52,803 They were tied by their own shoestrings. 605 00:57:55,473 --> 00:57:58,893 Why didn't he know those things? Why is he wrong? 606 00:58:01,729 --> 00:58:03,856 If Jessie was there, why didn't he know? 607 00:58:03,939 --> 00:58:05,524 It don't matter, Pam. 608 00:58:05,649 --> 00:58:06,859 It does matter. 609 00:58:06,942 --> 00:58:09,487 He did it. He did. 610 00:58:09,779 --> 00:58:13,491 Activity which is common in my 20 years' career. 611 00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:16,660 I'm not talking about Jessie lessening his involvement in the crimes. 612 00:58:16,702 --> 00:58:20,164 I'm saying is it common for the police to simply ignore 613 00:58:20,372 --> 00:58:23,876 all those big, obvious problems with his story 614 00:58:23,959 --> 00:58:28,339 and assume that everything else he's telling you has got to be correct? 615 00:58:29,006 --> 00:58:32,510 Jessie simply got confused. That's all. 616 00:58:34,762 --> 00:58:39,600 I repeat. I am acutely aware there's a great deal of emotion involved. 617 00:58:39,683 --> 00:58:43,979 But this court will not tolerate any verbal outburst, 618 00:58:44,355 --> 00:58:47,858 any display of emotion whatsoever. 619 00:58:54,323 --> 00:58:56,534 The verdicts read as follows. 620 00:58:57,368 --> 00:59:00,871 "We the jury find Jessie Lloyd Misskelley Junior guilty" 621 00:59:00,955 --> 00:59:04,458 "of murder in the first degree in the death of Michael Moore." 622 00:59:05,376 --> 00:59:09,463 "And of second degree murder in the deaths of Christopher Byers" 623 00:59:09,547 --> 00:59:10,631 "and Steven Branch." 624 00:59:20,474 --> 00:59:24,228 It's almost over, Pam. We're gonna win. 625 00:59:28,899 --> 00:59:31,152 The sentence. How do you feel about the sentence? 626 00:59:31,235 --> 00:59:33,571 Do you think it was a just and a proper sentence? 627 00:59:34,071 --> 00:59:37,241 Life plus 40? Well, it's fine with me. 628 00:59:37,408 --> 00:59:39,618 It's one down, two to go. 629 00:59:39,702 --> 00:59:42,955 And the good Lord said Lucifer and a third of the angels 630 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,499 were cast out of heaven. He didn't need 'em. 631 00:59:45,583 --> 00:59:48,794 'Cause he took their minds and manipulated them. 632 00:59:48,878 --> 00:59:51,922 And they prayed to their Devil and they prayed to their Satan, 633 00:59:51,964 --> 00:59:55,509 and did all kinds of Satanic worship services. 634 00:59:55,593 --> 00:59:59,096 Wild, crazy orgies, I've been told. 635 01:00:07,396 --> 01:00:10,107 There's a war going on. 636 01:00:11,317 --> 01:00:15,487 It's a war between Satan, Lucifer and the Lord. 637 01:00:15,571 --> 01:00:16,572 Mrs. Hobbs? 638 01:00:21,660 --> 01:00:23,120 Hey. 639 01:00:28,292 --> 01:00:30,211 You stay away from us. 640 01:00:32,213 --> 01:00:35,925 You don't talk to her. Understand? 641 01:00:38,969 --> 01:00:43,974 You hear me? You bother my wife, and by God, it's on. 642 01:00:44,016 --> 01:00:47,561 All right, Terry, let's go home. Come on. Come on. 643 01:00:52,483 --> 01:00:57,905 And I say bring it on. For me this place is like hell on Earth. 644 01:00:58,822 --> 01:01:04,995 'Cause I know three babies were killed. I know my son was castrated. 645 01:01:05,579 --> 01:01:08,082 And lay on that bank and bled to death. 646 01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:09,959 I know he was choked. 647 01:01:14,171 --> 01:01:16,173 How's the documentary coming along? 648 01:01:16,382 --> 01:01:17,925 Y'all been here every day, right? 649 01:01:18,008 --> 01:01:20,344 Interviewing families. Must be fascinating. 650 01:01:23,138 --> 01:01:26,642 Yeah. We're, uh, getting some pretty good stuff. 651 01:01:27,977 --> 01:01:30,688 Especially John Mark Byers seems to like the attention. 652 01:01:30,854 --> 01:01:32,523 Well, he's not shy, that's for sure. 653 01:01:32,731 --> 01:01:36,193 Did he ever do or say anything unusual? 654 01:01:36,902 --> 01:01:41,615 I don't just mean holding forth for cameras and reporters. 655 01:01:43,158 --> 01:01:46,662 I mean, like something suspicious or strange? 656 01:01:47,371 --> 01:01:52,543 Yeah. He did do something strange. Very strange. 657 01:01:54,128 --> 01:01:57,756 He gave this as a gift to the documentary crew. 658 01:01:58,465 --> 01:02:01,176 So when were you planning on telling us about it? 659 01:02:01,510 --> 01:02:05,014 Mr. Fogleman released the records concerning this knife yesterday. 660 01:02:06,098 --> 01:02:09,601 But you've known about it for months. How could you not tell us about it? 661 01:02:09,727 --> 01:02:13,230 Well, we had to send it to the lab first. DNA testing. 662 01:02:13,564 --> 01:02:15,357 There was blood on the knife. 663 01:02:15,858 --> 01:02:17,568 Just a little bit. 664 01:02:17,693 --> 01:02:22,072 I'll show you right here. Lock joint where the blade folds back. 665 01:02:22,531 --> 01:02:23,532 Just not much. 666 01:02:25,284 --> 01:02:28,787 Where you might miss it if you're trying to wipe the blade clean. 667 01:02:31,248 --> 01:02:33,250 That did cross my mind. 668 01:02:33,917 --> 01:02:38,422 On January 26, 1994, Gitchell asked you, "Have you used the knife?" 669 01:02:38,464 --> 01:02:41,383 And you said, "I never used it. Hopefully I was going to use it" 670 01:02:41,425 --> 01:02:45,095 "for deer hunting, but I never had the opportunity to use it on a deer." 671 01:02:45,179 --> 01:02:49,975 That's right. But the reason that I said that was 'cause I never hunted with it. 672 01:02:50,184 --> 01:02:53,687 I didn't mean that I didn't try to use it to cut some venison. 673 01:02:54,396 --> 01:02:57,483 Did Inspector Gitchell tell you, "We found blood on this knife"? 674 01:02:57,566 --> 01:02:58,650 I don't remember. 675 01:02:58,817 --> 01:03:01,320 Check your transcript. Page 7. 676 01:03:01,779 --> 01:03:05,115 Now, I'll ask you again. Did Gitchell tell you, 677 01:03:05,282 --> 01:03:08,786 "We found blood on this knife"? 678 01:03:09,161 --> 01:03:10,162 Yes, sir. 679 01:03:10,245 --> 01:03:13,749 Did Gitchell tell you the blood on the knife was Chris' blood? 680 01:03:13,957 --> 01:03:15,626 I don't remember. It might be in here. 681 01:03:15,709 --> 01:03:18,170 Did you tell Gitchell, "I have no idea" 682 01:03:18,253 --> 01:03:20,130 "how Chris' blood could be on that knife"? 683 01:03:20,255 --> 01:03:23,300 Yes, sir. I would not have any idea. 684 01:03:23,467 --> 01:03:26,970 Did you have any idea how human blood was on the knife? 685 01:03:27,221 --> 01:03:30,516 Well, yes. As I was trying to use the knife 686 01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:33,644 to cut some venison and make some beef jerky with it, 687 01:03:34,186 --> 01:03:35,729 I cut my thumb. 688 01:03:35,813 --> 01:03:37,815 Mr. Byers, do you recall saying, 689 01:03:37,898 --> 01:03:41,610 "I don't even remember nicking myself with it cutting the deer meat or anything"? 690 01:03:41,652 --> 01:03:43,695 - Is that the answer you gave? - Yes, sir. 691 01:03:43,779 --> 01:03:45,447 And is it the truth? 692 01:03:45,656 --> 01:03:48,784 At the time that he was questioning me, I didn't... 693 01:03:48,992 --> 01:03:52,496 I mean, I might not have remembered. 694 01:03:52,788 --> 01:03:57,543 But then later on in the day, I could have remembered and talked to him about it then. 695 01:04:10,431 --> 01:04:11,974 You all right, buddy? You did great. 696 01:04:12,975 --> 01:04:16,353 I wasn't expecting that. 697 01:04:17,521 --> 01:04:23,861 I ran and Jessie caught me. Uh, he tied me up. 698 01:04:25,654 --> 01:04:27,364 How did they tie you up? 699 01:04:27,656 --> 01:04:28,866 Rope. 700 01:04:29,241 --> 01:04:34,496 Then he grabbed my hands and made me cut Chris. 701 01:04:35,873 --> 01:04:41,462 Jessie and Damien picked him up and put a bucket where he was bleeding. 702 01:04:43,046 --> 01:04:48,010 Then they poured it in a glass and made me drink it. 703 01:04:51,889 --> 01:04:55,392 They poured his blood in a glass and made you drink it? 704 01:04:55,476 --> 01:04:56,727 Yes, sir. 705 01:04:56,810 --> 01:05:00,189 Aaron, you're not... You're not making this up, are you? 706 01:05:00,314 --> 01:05:01,356 No. 707 01:05:01,398 --> 01:05:03,567 - I mean, you and I are buddies, right? - Yeah. 708 01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:06,570 We're buddies. You wouldn't be telling me a story, would you? 709 01:05:06,653 --> 01:05:07,738 No. 710 01:05:07,821 --> 01:05:09,948 How do I know that you're telling me the truth? 711 01:05:10,616 --> 01:05:13,118 I don't know. 712 01:05:13,410 --> 01:05:16,079 Good afternoon. My name's Ron Lax. 713 01:05:16,163 --> 01:05:18,207 I'm an investigator working with the attorneys 714 01:05:18,248 --> 01:05:21,752 who represent Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin. 715 01:05:24,087 --> 01:05:29,092 Um, please, I can't talk to you. Okay? 716 01:05:29,843 --> 01:05:31,803 I don't want to get involved. 717 01:05:33,222 --> 01:05:35,182 Mrs. Hutcheson, you're already involved. 718 01:05:35,432 --> 01:05:38,018 You feature prominently in the prosecution's case. 719 01:05:38,143 --> 01:05:39,686 And from what I can tell, you're the only real link 720 01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:42,814 between Jessie Misskelley and Damien Echols. 721 01:05:42,898 --> 01:05:46,860 No. No, I can't talk about it. 722 01:05:48,779 --> 01:05:50,697 You gotta ask Don. 723 01:05:50,948 --> 01:05:52,950 - Detective Donald Bray? - Yes. 724 01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:59,831 Yes, he... You just ask Don. I gotta go now, I'm sorry. 725 01:06:00,624 --> 01:06:03,961 So why did Vicki Hutcheson come see you? Was she in trouble? 726 01:06:04,795 --> 01:06:09,299 She, uh, looked to be part of a credit card scam at a truck stop where she worked. 727 01:06:09,424 --> 01:06:10,509 So I called her in. 728 01:06:11,176 --> 01:06:15,138 She brought her kid in the day after those boys went missing. 729 01:06:16,765 --> 01:06:22,145 I just wanted to let you know that my boy, Aaron, 730 01:06:22,187 --> 01:06:24,314 is a close friend of them missing boys. 731 01:06:24,606 --> 01:06:28,110 Michael Moore and Chris Byers are his two best friends. 732 01:06:28,235 --> 01:06:31,738 You think you might know something to help the police find them boys? 733 01:06:32,281 --> 01:06:37,160 I'd say it's very possible. Right, honey? It is possible. 734 01:06:37,953 --> 01:06:41,456 We questioned Aaron. He told us about the meetings in the woods. 735 01:06:41,623 --> 01:06:45,127 It made sense to me. I already knew about the Satanic cult. 736 01:06:45,919 --> 01:06:47,546 You knew about the cult? 737 01:06:47,754 --> 01:06:52,009 We been expecting something like this to happen around here for quite a while. 738 01:06:53,051 --> 01:06:54,886 How did you confirm Aaron's story? 739 01:06:55,012 --> 01:06:56,388 Questioned Vicki. 740 01:06:56,763 --> 01:07:01,184 Asked her if there was anything she knew about an occult or devil worshippers. 741 01:07:01,226 --> 01:07:02,853 She said no. 742 01:07:03,020 --> 01:07:06,523 But then she said, "How about I go play detective" 743 01:07:07,107 --> 01:07:09,443 "to see what I can find out?" 744 01:07:09,735 --> 01:07:11,069 Jessie! 745 01:07:14,239 --> 01:07:17,951 You're a real sweetie to come over here today and do this in this heat. 746 01:07:21,121 --> 01:07:22,706 It's all right. 747 01:07:27,044 --> 01:07:30,547 Do you know that boy, Damien Echols? 748 01:07:31,298 --> 01:07:33,175 Yeah. He's kind of weird. 749 01:07:33,216 --> 01:07:34,217 Mmm. 750 01:07:36,678 --> 01:07:40,182 Well, I really want to meet him. 751 01:07:42,059 --> 01:07:44,394 Do you think you could fix us up? 752 01:07:49,274 --> 01:07:50,984 Vicki! 753 01:07:55,864 --> 01:07:59,159 Vicki, this is Jason Baldwin and Damien Echols. 754 01:08:00,577 --> 01:08:04,081 Come on in, boys. Let's have a drink. 755 01:08:04,539 --> 01:08:08,043 Thanks, Jessie. I'll see you around. 756 01:08:10,629 --> 01:08:14,883 I told Damien that I want to learn more about Satanism. 757 01:08:14,966 --> 01:08:20,180 And, um, and he invited me to an esbat. 758 01:08:21,807 --> 01:08:23,266 What the hell is that? 759 01:08:23,767 --> 01:08:27,437 I had to look it up. It's a... It's a gathering of witches. 760 01:08:28,563 --> 01:08:32,109 It was in an open field, under the full moon. 761 01:08:32,526 --> 01:08:36,363 Damien drove me there in his car, it was a red Ford Escort. 762 01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:39,074 So me, Damien and Jessie... 763 01:08:40,909 --> 01:08:46,289 The people were dressed all in black, and you couldn't see their faces. 764 01:08:46,331 --> 01:08:49,835 And they started to undress each other. 765 01:08:53,588 --> 01:08:56,466 And I asked Damien to drive me home. 766 01:08:56,508 --> 01:08:58,802 I couldn't stay 'cause I was so afraid. 767 01:08:58,885 --> 01:09:02,389 You were afraid. Afraid for your life? 768 01:09:02,973 --> 01:09:04,725 Yes, sir. 769 01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:28,832 I'm sorry but that sounds like a load of crap. 770 01:09:29,541 --> 01:09:31,877 Damien's got no license. He doesn't even drive. 771 01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,796 None of his friends or family have a red Ford Escort. 772 01:09:34,921 --> 01:09:37,299 I'm just telling you what she told me. 773 01:09:37,591 --> 01:09:40,343 And the esbat seemed to fit what Aaron had been telling us. 774 01:09:40,385 --> 01:09:44,514 About people painted black, chanting, doing what men and women do. 775 01:09:44,681 --> 01:09:47,184 But did you ever find any evidence to corroborate 776 01:09:47,267 --> 01:09:48,852 these tales Aaron and Vicki told you? 777 01:09:48,894 --> 01:09:50,896 Or anything that would link these murders to Damien? 778 01:09:51,021 --> 01:09:55,025 No physical evidence. But we got something else. 779 01:09:55,108 --> 01:09:57,027 We got Jessie's confession. 780 01:09:58,820 --> 01:10:00,447 So Vicki's plan failed, right? 781 01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:03,784 Damien gave her nothing. He never said anything that implicated them. 782 01:10:03,867 --> 01:10:07,829 Yeah, but Vicki's plan got Jessie involved, which led him right into the lion's den. 783 01:10:07,871 --> 01:10:09,748 They got their confession from him instead. 784 01:10:09,831 --> 01:10:13,376 And Jason Baldwin gets caught in the net just by picking the wrong friend. 785 01:10:13,418 --> 01:10:15,712 Ain't that what our mamas always warned us about? 786 01:10:15,754 --> 01:10:17,547 Are they gonna put Aaron on the stand? 787 01:10:17,631 --> 01:10:19,758 Hell no. Have you seen those interview tapes? 788 01:10:19,841 --> 01:10:22,928 I mean, that kid's talking about drinking from a bucket of blood. 789 01:10:23,053 --> 01:10:25,639 His story's turned out to be nothing but pure fantasy. 790 01:10:25,722 --> 01:10:27,390 Ain't nothing but lies. 791 01:10:27,516 --> 01:10:30,560 No way they'll let the jury see how absurd his confabulations are. 792 01:10:30,811 --> 01:10:32,813 So the jury's never gonna hear 793 01:10:32,896 --> 01:10:35,524 from this kid who's been the catalyst for the entire case. 794 01:10:35,565 --> 01:10:37,025 Oh, but they did hear from him. 795 01:10:37,067 --> 01:10:40,278 Remember Gitchell's ridiculous manipulations with the tape recorder? 796 01:10:40,362 --> 01:10:43,073 "Nobody knows what happened but me." 797 01:10:46,785 --> 01:10:50,121 They have to use stunts like that, what else they got? 798 01:10:50,205 --> 01:10:53,667 The State sent 600 items to the lab and out of all that they got nothing 799 01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:57,254 that directly links Damien, Jason and Jessie to that crime scene. 800 01:10:58,088 --> 01:10:59,422 Look at this. 801 01:10:59,506 --> 01:11:01,341 Remember how Gitchell told the press 802 01:11:01,424 --> 01:11:04,094 that the case number ending in 666 was a coincidence? 803 01:11:04,761 --> 01:11:06,972 This police report was signed by Detective Ridge 804 01:11:07,055 --> 01:11:11,059 three days after our case was assigned, and the case number ends in 555. 805 01:11:11,685 --> 01:11:15,438 They actually changed our case number to the number of the beast? 806 01:11:16,648 --> 01:11:18,441 This is a goddamn witch hunt. 807 01:11:18,608 --> 01:11:21,403 Our boys were never suspects in this case. They were targets. 808 01:11:21,528 --> 01:11:23,864 And once they set their sights on Jason and Damien, 809 01:11:23,947 --> 01:11:25,115 they stopped looking for anybody else. 810 01:11:25,156 --> 01:11:27,993 But we don't have to. We can keep looking. 811 01:11:28,076 --> 01:11:29,995 Ron, we tried to go through everything, 812 01:11:30,078 --> 01:11:31,788 but they keep sending us mountains of stuff. 813 01:11:31,913 --> 01:11:33,373 Whatever it takes. 814 01:11:35,041 --> 01:11:38,086 We may not be able to prove our boys didn't do it. 815 01:11:38,128 --> 01:11:41,631 We might be able to prove the cops never really tried to find out who did. 816 01:11:51,099 --> 01:11:53,476 I was there. Don't you see? 817 01:11:53,977 --> 01:11:57,480 And nobody knows what happened but me. 818 01:11:58,732 --> 01:12:01,484 About a year ago Damien told me that the local devil worshippers 819 01:12:01,526 --> 01:12:06,239 had reached the end of their animal sacrifice stage. So that summer he said 820 01:12:06,323 --> 01:12:08,617 they were gonna take the next logical step. 821 01:12:08,658 --> 01:12:11,494 Sacrifice a human. A human. 822 01:12:11,536 --> 01:12:13,997 At any time Wednesday were you in Robin Hood Woods? 823 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,081 No. 824 01:12:15,165 --> 01:12:17,334 Were you present when those boys were killed? 825 01:12:17,375 --> 01:12:18,376 No. 826 01:12:18,460 --> 01:12:20,712 Do you suspect anyone of having killed those three boys? 827 01:12:20,795 --> 01:12:21,796 No. 828 01:12:21,838 --> 01:12:23,340 Do you know who killed those three boys? 829 01:12:23,381 --> 01:12:24,382 No. 830 01:12:24,466 --> 01:12:26,843 - Did you kill any of those three boys? - No. 831 01:12:27,218 --> 01:12:30,180 I know, but this crime is unthinkable. 832 01:12:30,347 --> 01:12:33,558 What if they did it? Have you thought of that? 833 01:12:49,115 --> 01:12:52,035 Do you want some dessert? I have that chocolate pie you like. 834 01:12:52,369 --> 01:12:54,412 No thanks, Annie. I'm fine. 835 01:12:55,163 --> 01:12:57,624 You seemed upset when you were in here the other day, 836 01:12:57,707 --> 01:13:01,211 having lunch with that lady. She's really pretty. 837 01:13:03,088 --> 01:13:05,924 - She's my ex-wife. - Oh. 838 01:13:06,841 --> 01:13:09,052 Not ex for too long, huh? 839 01:13:11,763 --> 01:13:15,266 So you okay lately? I've been worried about you. 840 01:13:15,767 --> 01:13:17,560 Thanks, Annie, I'm fine. 841 01:13:19,396 --> 01:13:21,648 You know what I'm doing on this case? 842 01:13:24,484 --> 01:13:25,485 Sure, I do. 843 01:13:28,738 --> 01:13:31,408 You understand why I have to help them. 844 01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:37,414 If you don't help those poor boys, who will? 845 01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:43,586 Nobody will. Nobody but you. 846 01:14:26,588 --> 01:14:28,465 Arise and be baptized. 847 01:14:34,596 --> 01:14:39,142 Washing away your sins. Calling on the name of the Lord. 848 01:14:41,978 --> 01:14:45,482 God will never put more on you than you can bear. 849 01:15:09,798 --> 01:15:13,843 Occult books talk about the life force of the blood. 850 01:15:14,260 --> 01:15:18,348 Usually the younger the victim, the more power or force it has. 851 01:15:18,473 --> 01:15:23,770 And do the type of injuries give an occult overtone to the murders? 852 01:15:23,895 --> 01:15:28,525 Yes. In some occult rituals, people are over-killed. 853 01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:32,529 The body is repeatedly killed over and over, 854 01:15:32,654 --> 01:15:35,240 with many cuts and blows. 855 01:15:35,532 --> 01:15:40,620 So would you say that this crime has the trappings of occultism? 856 01:15:41,329 --> 01:15:43,790 Of Satanic worship, in particular. 857 01:15:43,998 --> 01:15:47,752 Dr. Griffis, to get your PhD, what classes were you required to take? 858 01:15:55,135 --> 01:15:56,803 Uh, none. 859 01:15:57,387 --> 01:16:01,724 And how were you accepted into enrollment at Columbia Pacific University? 860 01:16:02,809 --> 01:16:07,147 I had to fill out, uh, several series of papers. 861 01:16:09,566 --> 01:16:13,069 Did you have to fill out a little flyer like this? 862 01:16:14,445 --> 01:16:17,782 "Call toll free for information on how to become a doctor." 863 01:16:18,241 --> 01:16:20,076 This is a mail order college, isn't it? 864 01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:23,246 - University. - They run a TV ad. Have you seen it? 865 01:16:23,329 --> 01:16:26,624 Yeah, you can send in a request for what you want your degree in. 866 01:16:26,749 --> 01:16:29,377 Did you know this was a correspondence school? I didn't. 867 01:16:29,419 --> 01:16:33,506 Judge, the witness has a mail order PhD from a non-accredited school 868 01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:36,926 that required no classes. We object to Dr. Griffis as an expert. 869 01:16:37,218 --> 01:16:40,346 Well, I'm not sure within Arkansas you need a degree of any kind 870 01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:42,891 to be considered an expert in a particular field. 871 01:16:43,474 --> 01:16:47,937 And I'm not persuaded at all by your argument about a mail order PhD. 872 01:16:48,313 --> 01:16:54,277 So I'm ruling him as qualified as an expert in the area of occult. 873 01:17:06,789 --> 01:17:09,542 I'm looking for the manager, Marty King. Is he here? 874 01:17:09,626 --> 01:17:11,586 He's in the back. I'll fetch him. 875 01:17:17,717 --> 01:17:19,802 Looks like business is pretty good. 876 01:17:19,969 --> 01:17:22,472 A whole lot better than it was now that they've caught them Satanists 877 01:17:22,513 --> 01:17:23,973 who murdered them little boys. 878 01:17:25,016 --> 01:17:27,143 I'm the manager. What can I do for you? 879 01:17:27,185 --> 01:17:29,145 My name is Ron Lax. I'm an investigator, 880 01:17:29,187 --> 01:17:31,397 and I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions 881 01:17:31,481 --> 01:17:32,774 about the night of May the 5th? 882 01:17:32,815 --> 01:17:36,152 Well, certainly, I'll be glad to help out however I can. 883 01:17:37,237 --> 01:17:40,615 Hey, boss. Here's one I don't remember seeing before. 884 01:17:40,657 --> 01:17:42,909 Who's Christopher Morgan? 885 01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:46,621 Did you in any way participate in causing the death of any of those three boys? 886 01:17:46,663 --> 01:17:47,997 No. 887 01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:51,167 Do you know for sure who caused those boys to die? 888 01:17:51,251 --> 01:17:52,627 No. 889 01:17:52,669 --> 01:17:55,588 Are you holding back any information about those three boys? 890 01:17:55,672 --> 01:17:56,798 No. 891 01:17:56,881 --> 01:17:58,883 The polygraph showed deception. 892 01:17:58,967 --> 01:18:02,011 He says you went off the chart. 893 01:18:02,845 --> 01:18:05,431 I don't know why I failed it. Must have been nervous. 894 01:18:28,204 --> 01:18:30,206 This is so fucking screwed up! 895 01:18:30,248 --> 01:18:32,667 Chris, I have a legal obligation to get to the truth... 896 01:18:32,709 --> 01:18:36,045 - I'm telling you the truth. - Or to exonerate you if you weren't involved. 897 01:18:36,129 --> 01:18:37,672 But based on the polygraph results, 898 01:18:37,714 --> 01:18:39,215 I don't feel like you're being completely honest. 899 01:18:39,299 --> 01:18:40,883 What do you want me to do? Do you want me to lie to you? 900 01:18:40,925 --> 01:18:44,220 Okay, I'm gonna lie. I killed them. And all the other bullshit. 901 01:18:44,595 --> 01:18:47,181 - Are you arresting me? - No, I am not. 902 01:18:57,108 --> 01:18:59,569 You can't do things like that. 903 01:18:59,610 --> 01:19:01,612 Well, maybe I freaked out, 904 01:19:01,863 --> 01:19:03,281 and blacked out, 905 01:19:03,364 --> 01:19:07,535 and killed the three little boys and fucked 'em up the ass or something. 906 01:19:10,913 --> 01:19:14,417 - Is it possible you could have done it? - No! 907 01:19:14,751 --> 01:19:18,838 I have never hurt anyone intentionally. 908 01:19:19,422 --> 01:19:20,882 Maybe there's two sides to you. 909 01:19:23,885 --> 01:19:25,762 Maybe I'm Chris and Hyde. 910 01:19:28,598 --> 01:19:32,101 I'm Ron Lax. Come this way. 911 01:19:35,688 --> 01:19:37,440 Chris, what are you doing here? 912 01:19:41,444 --> 01:19:43,321 Chris! 913 01:19:45,114 --> 01:19:47,617 Your Honor, the defense calls Christopher Morgan. 914 01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,837 Your Honor, may we approach? 915 01:20:07,845 --> 01:20:10,306 Your Honor, I think they are going to try to cross-examine him 916 01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:13,726 from the Oceanside police report, and we submit that it's irrelevant. 917 01:20:13,810 --> 01:20:17,647 My understanding was that this young man retracted his statement. 918 01:20:17,688 --> 01:20:20,942 We want to question Mr. Morgan to suggest that the police case was far from certain. 919 01:20:20,983 --> 01:20:22,819 Why would his testimony be relevant? 920 01:20:22,860 --> 01:20:26,489 Your Honor, we all want to question witnesses that the police viewed as suspects 921 01:20:26,572 --> 01:20:28,408 before narrowing their focus on the accused. 922 01:20:28,491 --> 01:20:31,953 I'm not gonna allow you to drag in every possible suspect 923 01:20:31,994 --> 01:20:36,165 unless you've got something that tie those persons to some event in this case. 924 01:20:36,249 --> 01:20:40,253 Judge Burnett, don't you think a confession suffices as a tie-in? 925 01:20:40,336 --> 01:20:43,005 Your Honor, they could just talk to anybody on the street and they could say, 926 01:20:43,089 --> 01:20:44,757 - "Do you admit doing these murders?" - Come on! 927 01:20:44,841 --> 01:20:47,760 This is not just anybody off the street. This was the Oceanside PD 928 01:20:47,844 --> 01:20:49,804 questioning him at the request of the West Memphis PD. 929 01:20:49,846 --> 01:20:53,850 All right. All right. I'm gonna begin the hearing. Anything else? 930 01:21:00,022 --> 01:21:04,527 Ladies and gentlemen, I am going to need to conduct a hearing in camera so. 931 01:21:04,569 --> 01:21:06,529 - I'm gonna ask you... - What? 932 01:21:06,571 --> 01:21:08,406 To go back to the jury room. 933 01:21:08,489 --> 01:21:10,032 Bailiff, will you clear the courtroom, please? 934 01:21:10,116 --> 01:21:11,117 Your Honor... 935 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,744 All right, folks. All spectators, members of the press, 936 01:21:13,828 --> 01:21:15,872 please leave the courtroom. 937 01:21:19,292 --> 01:21:22,545 You, too, Mr. Lax. I don't believe you're an officer of the court. 938 01:21:22,628 --> 01:21:25,256 Mr. Morgan, please step forward to be sworn in. 939 01:21:25,339 --> 01:21:27,258 Why are they questioning Chris Morgan? 940 01:21:27,675 --> 01:21:30,011 And why aren't we allowed to hear what he says? 941 01:21:30,052 --> 01:21:33,681 Bobby DeAngelo asked for a picture of my son and brought Chris Morgan into my home. 942 01:21:33,723 --> 01:21:35,391 I have a right to hear what he says. 943 01:21:35,475 --> 01:21:38,060 Yes, you do, Mrs. Hobbs. We all do. 944 01:21:45,401 --> 01:21:50,198 On May 17th, 1993, were you questioned in Oceanside, California... 945 01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,783 Yes. FORD: And in a videotaped statement... 946 01:21:58,748 --> 01:22:02,293 We are going to be all right. Justice is gonna be served, and we love you, 947 01:22:02,376 --> 01:22:06,297 and we are just thinking of you and just praying for you constantly, okay? 948 01:22:13,387 --> 01:22:15,431 So you said it just to get out? 949 01:22:16,307 --> 01:22:18,893 Yeah, after 17 hours I believe anybody would. 950 01:22:18,935 --> 01:22:21,604 Now, before you made the statements in question, 951 01:22:21,646 --> 01:22:24,732 did you tell the officers in a state of anger that. 952 01:22:24,774 --> 01:22:28,903 "If you want me to lie to you, I'll lie to you and tell you that I did it"? 953 01:22:28,945 --> 01:22:30,613 - Yes. - Uh-huh. 954 01:22:30,696 --> 01:22:34,200 And immediately after that, did you again deny any knowledge 955 01:22:34,283 --> 01:22:38,246 - of involvement in these murders? - Yes. 956 01:22:40,706 --> 01:22:42,083 All right. Anything else? 957 01:22:42,124 --> 01:22:45,294 Jessie Misskelley denied that he did it, admitted he did it, then denied it again 958 01:22:45,336 --> 01:22:48,464 and he's in prison! This man did the same thing. 959 01:22:49,257 --> 01:22:52,426 And we are asking you to allow us to present this testimony to the... 960 01:22:52,468 --> 01:22:53,678 No. 961 01:22:53,761 --> 01:22:56,222 We are entitled to raise reasonable doubt. 962 01:22:56,305 --> 01:22:57,807 That's what we're trying to do with this testimony. 963 01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:59,809 Raise it or create it? 964 01:23:00,226 --> 01:23:01,894 Both! 965 01:23:07,233 --> 01:23:08,317 Burnett wouldn't let him testify. 966 01:23:08,401 --> 01:23:09,944 It was so important to get that kid on the stand 967 01:23:09,986 --> 01:23:11,821 - to show how arbitrary it's been. - I know. 968 01:23:11,862 --> 01:23:13,406 But the judge says that's not relevant 969 01:23:13,489 --> 01:23:15,408 because Morgan told the cops he was gonna lie. 970 01:23:15,491 --> 01:23:18,286 Besides, Fogleman says there's no tape for the part 971 01:23:18,327 --> 01:23:21,831 - of the interview where Morgan confesses. - What? No, that's bullshit. 972 01:23:22,456 --> 01:23:25,501 You can't see part of the tape because Morgan put a tissue across the lens. 973 01:23:25,585 --> 01:23:27,962 I saw it. I watched the whole thing. 974 01:23:28,212 --> 01:23:29,755 But you can see it when he confesses. 975 01:23:29,839 --> 01:23:31,132 Yeah, but Fogleman said... 976 01:23:31,173 --> 01:23:36,012 The audio's there for all of it, even when the lens is covered. You tell them that? 977 01:23:37,471 --> 01:23:39,599 You guys even watch the entire six hours of tape? 978 01:23:43,686 --> 01:23:46,522 - We have a synopsis from the Oceanside PD. - A synopsis? 979 01:23:47,148 --> 01:23:48,691 Since when do we depend on police reports? 980 01:23:48,774 --> 01:23:51,027 Ron, we did not have enough time or money. 981 01:23:51,068 --> 01:23:52,445 But you should have told Burnett... 982 01:23:52,528 --> 01:23:54,155 I should have told him what? 983 01:23:56,407 --> 01:24:00,244 Now, you want to try these cases, Ron? Maybe you should have gone to law school. 984 01:24:00,953 --> 01:24:04,457 You let us do our job and you focus on doing yours. 985 01:24:09,754 --> 01:24:13,549 I'm... I'm sorry, Ron. But we... 986 01:24:15,092 --> 01:24:16,844 We are overwhelmed. 987 01:24:17,386 --> 01:24:19,889 Fogleman is burying us in materials. 988 01:24:19,930 --> 01:24:23,893 13,000 documents from the police investigation alone. 989 01:24:23,976 --> 01:24:26,896 We don't have enough time. We don't have enough manpower. Money. 990 01:24:26,979 --> 01:24:31,567 And frankly? Burnett? He's just not giving us a chance. 991 01:24:39,241 --> 01:24:44,205 That's all right, you That's all right, Mama. 992 01:24:44,288 --> 01:24:46,999 Just anyway you do. 993 01:24:47,083 --> 01:24:51,962 That's all right That's all right. 994 01:24:53,422 --> 01:24:57,259 Well, that's all right, Mama That's all right with you. 995 01:24:57,301 --> 01:25:00,137 Anyway you do. 996 01:25:00,221 --> 01:25:03,724 Anyway you do That's all right. 997 01:25:56,527 --> 01:26:00,364 And what a challenge that was to persevere... 998 01:27:03,928 --> 01:27:06,764 Jason, the prosecutor's office wants to offer you a deal. 999 01:27:07,515 --> 01:27:09,809 If you agree to testify against Damien, 1000 01:27:09,892 --> 01:27:13,854 they'll only seek a sentence of 20 years. Not death. 1001 01:27:15,105 --> 01:27:17,733 Now, you could be out in 10 years, maybe less. 1002 01:27:18,734 --> 01:27:20,736 That's still a long time, though. 1003 01:27:21,821 --> 01:27:25,032 In 10 years you'll be what? 26 years old? 1004 01:27:25,241 --> 01:27:27,868 You'll have your whole life ahead of you. 1005 01:27:30,204 --> 01:27:32,748 The case against you is weak. 1006 01:27:32,832 --> 01:27:36,252 But they're going to do everything they can to tie you to Damien and his beliefs, 1007 01:27:36,335 --> 01:27:38,170 the things he said and done. 1008 01:27:38,295 --> 01:27:40,840 And despite the lack of evidence, it is very possible 1009 01:27:41,006 --> 01:27:45,344 that Damien will go down for this. And if he does, 1010 01:27:45,427 --> 01:27:48,931 there's a good chance he's gonna drag you down with him. 1011 01:27:53,143 --> 01:27:57,064 I can't do it. I can't tell a lie about him. It ain't right. 1012 01:28:00,776 --> 01:28:02,361 I can't. 1013 01:28:02,528 --> 01:28:04,905 When you were at the softball field, 1014 01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:08,325 did you hear somebody say something about the murders? 1015 01:28:08,409 --> 01:28:14,123 Yes, sir. I heard, um, Damien Echols say that he killed the three boys. 1016 01:28:15,583 --> 01:28:19,086 I heard Damien Echols say he killed all three of those little boys. 1017 01:28:19,545 --> 01:28:24,133 And before he turned himself in, he was gonna kill two more. 1018 01:28:24,592 --> 01:28:28,095 And he already had one of them picked out. 1019 01:28:30,139 --> 01:28:33,267 Is the person who made that statement present in this courtroom? 1020 01:28:33,309 --> 01:28:34,476 Yes, sir. 1021 01:28:34,518 --> 01:28:35,895 Would you point that person out for the jury? 1022 01:28:35,978 --> 01:28:37,688 Right there. 1023 01:28:37,897 --> 01:28:41,942 May the record reflect that the witness has identified Damien Echols. 1024 01:28:42,484 --> 01:28:47,323 If anybody else is in this courtroom, who was present when that statement was made, 1025 01:28:47,364 --> 01:28:50,618 would you point that person out for the jury? 1026 01:28:53,329 --> 01:28:55,331 Your Honor, may the record reflect 1027 01:28:55,372 --> 01:28:58,417 the witness has identified the other defendant, 1028 01:28:58,834 --> 01:29:00,711 Jason Baldwin. 1029 01:29:20,397 --> 01:29:23,901 Sir, are you all right? 1030 01:29:26,695 --> 01:29:29,073 After that I called the police. 1031 01:29:30,866 --> 01:29:36,455 And by the time Officer Meek came to the drive-through, the man was already gone. 1032 01:29:36,705 --> 01:29:43,504 And the next day, uh, after the bodies were found, and, uh, 1033 01:29:44,088 --> 01:29:47,508 Detective Ridge and Allen came over and took a report. 1034 01:29:48,050 --> 01:29:51,053 They came over straight from the crime scene, 1035 01:29:51,136 --> 01:29:54,390 and one of them asked me, he said, 1036 01:29:54,473 --> 01:29:58,227 "Did the black man appear to have muddy feet?" 1037 01:29:58,644 --> 01:30:03,565 "Like me, because we've been out there all morning long in the water and mud." 1038 01:30:05,651 --> 01:30:09,530 Okay. And when you looked at him, what did you say? 1039 01:30:10,072 --> 01:30:13,575 Um, I said, "Yes, sir." 1040 01:30:13,951 --> 01:30:19,707 'Cause his pants and shoes were muddy and wet up to the knees. 1041 01:30:20,207 --> 01:30:21,750 "Just like you." 1042 01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:26,588 Detective Ridge, on May 6th, 1993, 1043 01:30:26,630 --> 01:30:28,424 you went to the Bojangles Restaurant. 1044 01:30:28,507 --> 01:30:32,136 Did you take blood scrapings from inside the women's restroom? 1045 01:30:32,219 --> 01:30:36,598 Yes, sir. I found trace remains in the ladies' bathroom of the Bojangles. 1046 01:30:38,058 --> 01:30:43,355 Detective, what is the date you sent the scrapings to the crime lab to be analyzed? 1047 01:30:45,107 --> 01:30:46,859 They were never sent. 1048 01:30:47,026 --> 01:30:51,238 All right. Where are the samples at this time, Detective? 1049 01:30:51,613 --> 01:30:56,285 I don't know, sir. They were lost. 1050 01:30:56,618 --> 01:30:59,288 What? PRICE: You mean blood evidence 1051 01:30:59,788 --> 01:31:05,169 that you took for the purpose of sending to the crime lab is just lost? 1052 01:31:06,462 --> 01:31:08,255 Yes, sir. 1053 01:31:10,299 --> 01:31:12,968 That's my mistake. I lost a piece of evidence. 1054 01:31:26,106 --> 01:31:31,153 Now, Damien, this book on witchcraft, where did you get that? 1055 01:31:31,195 --> 01:31:34,782 The library had these books they were getting rid of for 10 cents each. 1056 01:31:35,074 --> 01:31:38,285 Damien, there's some pages in there that are underlined in red, 1057 01:31:38,327 --> 01:31:39,870 references to the devil. 1058 01:31:39,953 --> 01:31:41,997 That was already done when I got it. 1059 01:31:42,039 --> 01:31:45,084 I think somebody had a report to do 'cause all through the book 1060 01:31:45,167 --> 01:31:49,004 there's like little notes, dates, and stuff like that in the margin. 1061 01:31:49,463 --> 01:31:51,507 Okay. 1062 01:31:55,344 --> 01:31:58,847 Damien, why do you like to wear black? 1063 01:31:59,681 --> 01:32:02,184 I was told I look good in it. 1064 01:32:02,851 --> 01:32:05,521 And it helped me deal with people. 1065 01:32:07,356 --> 01:32:11,777 It would make them think "He's weird." And it kept them away. 1066 01:32:16,532 --> 01:32:20,577 You've looked into the Satanic side of the occult, correct? 1067 01:32:21,203 --> 01:32:25,332 - I'm familiar with it. - You familiar with Aleister Crowley? 1068 01:32:25,582 --> 01:32:30,546 Based on his writings, he believes in human sacrifice, doesn't he? 1069 01:32:30,587 --> 01:32:33,382 He also believed he was God, so... 1070 01:32:33,465 --> 01:32:38,971 His writings indicated that children were the best type of human sacrifice. 1071 01:32:40,055 --> 01:32:42,724 - Correct? - Yes, sir. 1072 01:32:42,891 --> 01:32:46,478 But Crowley has no particular significance to you? 1073 01:32:47,187 --> 01:32:51,859 I know who he is. I've read about him, but I've never read anything by him. 1074 01:32:54,027 --> 01:32:55,737 Do you recognize this? 1075 01:33:02,536 --> 01:33:04,079 What is that? 1076 01:33:06,331 --> 01:33:09,543 It's a paper I had on different alphabets. 1077 01:33:10,169 --> 01:33:12,504 Where you could write things nobody could read. 1078 01:33:12,588 --> 01:33:14,923 Whose names are written on it? 1079 01:33:15,090 --> 01:33:17,759 Mine. Jason's. 1080 01:33:18,010 --> 01:33:22,139 Our newborn son's, and one that says Aleister Crowley. 1081 01:33:24,099 --> 01:33:28,270 So the only other name on this document besides yours, 1082 01:33:28,395 --> 01:33:33,192 your best friend and your son is Aleister Crowley. 1083 01:33:37,070 --> 01:33:38,363 If you say so. 1084 01:33:41,658 --> 01:33:44,786 Now, when he interviewed you before your arrest, did you tell Officer Ridge 1085 01:33:44,828 --> 01:33:47,664 that you'd been a member of a white witch group for five years? 1086 01:33:47,748 --> 01:33:50,250 I told him I was a Wiccan. I've never been a member of a group. 1087 01:33:50,292 --> 01:33:52,461 - Oh, he made that up? - Yes. 1088 01:33:52,544 --> 01:33:56,590 Officer Ridge also asked you why would someone kill these kids 1089 01:33:56,632 --> 01:34:01,345 and your response was that the person was sick or a Satanist. Is that correct? 1090 01:34:01,845 --> 01:34:07,184 He asked me was it possible if they could be Satanists, and I said "Yeah, I guess." 1091 01:34:07,267 --> 01:34:12,648 When Officer Ridge asked you how do you think the person feels who did this, 1092 01:34:13,482 --> 01:34:18,320 your answer was, "Probably makes them feel good." 1093 01:34:18,987 --> 01:34:21,114 "Gives them power." 1094 01:34:22,199 --> 01:34:25,702 Is that correct? Or, I guess, Officer Ridge made that up, too. 1095 01:34:25,786 --> 01:34:28,330 No. I used common sense on that. 1096 01:34:28,413 --> 01:34:31,166 If someone was doing it, they must have wanted to. 1097 01:34:31,208 --> 01:34:35,462 And if they were doing something they wanted to it must make them happy. 1098 01:34:35,504 --> 01:34:39,841 So in your mind it is common sense 1099 01:34:39,883 --> 01:34:43,553 that killing three eight-year-olds would make you feel good? 1100 01:34:45,305 --> 01:34:47,349 Whoever did it must have. 1101 01:34:52,521 --> 01:34:56,858 Is there anything wrong with wearing black in and of itself? 1102 01:34:57,150 --> 01:34:58,610 No. 1103 01:34:59,486 --> 01:35:04,116 Anything wrong with this heavy metal stuff in and of itself? 1104 01:35:04,283 --> 01:35:05,867 No. 1105 01:35:06,535 --> 01:35:10,247 The Book of Shadows. Anything wrong with that? 1106 01:35:10,789 --> 01:35:12,082 No. 1107 01:35:12,916 --> 01:35:16,420 But you don't look at these things individually. 1108 01:35:16,962 --> 01:35:19,715 You have to look at them as a whole. 1109 01:35:20,215 --> 01:35:24,886 And when you look at all this circumstantial evidence as a whole, 1110 01:35:24,970 --> 01:35:28,473 it proves that these defendants committed this murder. 1111 01:35:30,517 --> 01:35:36,356 Now, all this Satanic stuff? It doesn't matter whether I believe it. 1112 01:35:36,940 --> 01:35:40,652 It doesn't matter whether the defense attorneys believe it. 1113 01:35:41,278 --> 01:35:45,449 It doesn't even matter whether you believe in it. 1114 01:35:46,325 --> 01:35:51,163 The only thing that matters is what these defendants believe. 1115 01:35:52,164 --> 01:35:55,459 Now, you look at history, 1116 01:35:55,625 --> 01:35:59,379 at all the people that have been killed in the name of religion, 1117 01:35:59,463 --> 01:36:02,049 it is a motivating force. 1118 01:36:02,466 --> 01:36:07,721 It gives people who want to do evil the justification for what they do. 1119 01:36:09,139 --> 01:36:12,559 And when you look at it all together, 1120 01:36:12,601 --> 01:36:16,104 you begin to see inside Damien Echols. 1121 01:36:17,898 --> 01:36:22,778 You see inside that person. You look inside, 1122 01:36:25,655 --> 01:36:27,991 and there's not a soul in there. 1123 01:36:49,262 --> 01:36:51,556 The first verdict reads as follows. 1124 01:36:53,517 --> 01:36:55,852 "We, the jury, find Damien Echols" 1125 01:36:55,977 --> 01:36:57,187 "guilty of capital murder" 1126 01:36:57,270 --> 01:37:00,232 "in the death of Stevie Branch." 1127 01:37:03,276 --> 01:37:06,113 "We, the jury, find Damien Echols" 1128 01:37:06,154 --> 01:37:09,908 "guilty of capital murder in the death of Chris Byers." 1129 01:37:13,662 --> 01:37:15,414 "We, the jury, find Damien Echols" 1130 01:37:15,497 --> 01:37:18,500 "guilty of capital murder in the death of Michael Moore." 1131 01:37:18,667 --> 01:37:21,294 No! No! No! 1132 01:37:27,008 --> 01:37:29,010 "We, the jury, find Jason Baldwin" 1133 01:37:29,094 --> 01:37:32,848 "guilty of capital murder in the death of Stevie Branch." 1134 01:37:33,348 --> 01:37:35,809 "We, the jury, find Jason Baldwin" 1135 01:37:35,976 --> 01:37:39,229 "guilty of capital murder in the death of Chris Byers." 1136 01:37:39,354 --> 01:37:41,773 "And we, the jury, find Jason Baldwin" 1137 01:37:41,857 --> 01:37:45,360 "guilty of capital murder in the death of Michael Moore." 1138 01:37:51,867 --> 01:37:55,370 Now, do either of you have any legal reason to give the court 1139 01:37:55,412 --> 01:37:58,248 as to why a sentence should not be imposed? 1140 01:37:59,875 --> 01:38:01,501 No, sir. 1141 01:38:02,961 --> 01:38:04,713 'Cause I'm innocent. 1142 01:38:05,380 --> 01:38:07,424 Pardon, I'm sorry, I didn't hear that. 1143 01:38:07,716 --> 01:38:09,801 Because I'm innocent. 1144 01:38:11,803 --> 01:38:14,890 Well, the jury has heard the evidence and concluded otherwise. 1145 01:38:15,724 --> 01:38:21,897 Mr. Baldwin, you are hereby adjudicated guilty on three counts of capital murder. 1146 01:38:22,397 --> 01:38:26,401 You are hereby sentenced to the Arkansas Department of Corrections 1147 01:38:26,568 --> 01:38:30,530 to a term of life without the possibility of parole. 1148 01:38:32,449 --> 01:38:36,536 Mr. Echols, you have been adjudicated guilty on three counts 1149 01:38:36,578 --> 01:38:38,914 of capital murder as well, 1150 01:38:39,247 --> 01:38:43,877 the death of Michael Moore, Chris Byers and Stevie Branch. 1151 01:38:45,170 --> 01:38:47,923 You are remanded to the custody of the Sheriff 1152 01:38:47,964 --> 01:38:51,176 and to immediately be transported to the Arkansas Department of Corrections 1153 01:38:51,259 --> 01:38:56,056 where on the 5th of May, 1994, 1154 01:38:57,098 --> 01:38:58,558 a lethal quantity 1155 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,727 of an ultra short-acting barbiturate. 1156 01:39:00,769 --> 01:39:04,773 In combination with a chemical paralytic agent, 1157 01:39:04,940 --> 01:39:08,568 will be injected into your body until you are dead. 1158 01:40:20,849 --> 01:40:22,183 Mrs. Hobbs. 1159 01:40:23,393 --> 01:40:24,894 I'm Ron Lax. 1160 01:40:25,562 --> 01:40:27,188 I know who you are. 1161 01:40:37,324 --> 01:40:42,287 And I don't hate you either. Or them lawyers. Just don't forget about us. 1162 01:40:42,662 --> 01:40:46,750 - Don't... Don't let yourself forget about us. - I won't. 1163 01:40:48,043 --> 01:40:49,377 I can't. 1164 01:40:51,671 --> 01:40:56,051 Ever since I saw your face on TV that first day, 1165 01:40:56,134 --> 01:40:58,428 I read the case files, 1166 01:41:02,474 --> 01:41:05,018 saw the photographs of your son. 1167 01:41:07,771 --> 01:41:10,065 I'll never be able to forget any of it. 1168 01:41:13,902 --> 01:41:18,448 And I know that you may not be able to feel much compassion right now 1169 01:41:18,531 --> 01:41:22,410 for the boys accused of this crime. I understand that, I really do. 1170 01:41:24,746 --> 01:41:28,958 But if these boys are innocent, 1171 01:41:29,042 --> 01:41:32,379 would you want three more families to lose their children, too? 1172 01:41:34,881 --> 01:41:39,260 I found this in Terry's things. 1173 01:41:42,222 --> 01:41:44,432 It's Stevie's pocket knife. 1174 01:41:46,101 --> 01:41:48,019 His Grandpa Hicks gave him. 1175 01:41:48,311 --> 01:41:51,815 - Your father? - Yeah, my father. 1176 01:41:52,273 --> 01:41:54,109 Stevie loved this knife. 1177 01:41:54,609 --> 01:41:58,279 Just like his new bike. Everything his grandpa ever gave him. 1178 01:42:01,658 --> 01:42:05,161 He'd take it with him everywhere. He always had it. 1179 01:42:06,913 --> 01:42:10,667 - I think he would have had it that day. - The day he was killed? 1180 01:42:11,459 --> 01:42:14,003 I don't know why they didn't find it on him. 1181 01:42:15,255 --> 01:42:18,133 And I don't know why my husband would have it now. 1182 01:42:18,717 --> 01:42:21,761 You suspect your husband might have something do to with all of this? 1183 01:42:21,845 --> 01:42:25,890 I don't know. I don't know. 1184 01:42:28,643 --> 01:42:31,646 I don't know anything anymore. 1185 01:42:32,522 --> 01:42:36,818 After hearing Jessie's confession, 1186 01:42:36,860 --> 01:42:41,489 and all those things he didn't know 1187 01:42:41,531 --> 01:42:45,577 and the bloody man at Bojangles, 1188 01:42:45,660 --> 01:42:48,496 and Mark Byers and that bloody knife. 1189 01:42:49,330 --> 01:42:51,166 And those girls up on the stand, 1190 01:42:51,249 --> 01:42:54,377 acting like this is all just some sort of game to them. 1191 01:42:56,004 --> 01:43:00,550 And what about Chris Morgan? They told me that he confessed out in California, 1192 01:43:00,633 --> 01:43:04,137 and they wouldn't even let us hear what he had to say on the stand. 1193 01:43:05,263 --> 01:43:10,769 It seems like everybody, the police, the judge, everybody, 1194 01:43:10,852 --> 01:43:14,355 they all know who they want to think did this. 1195 01:43:16,858 --> 01:43:18,651 I don't know anymore. 1196 01:43:21,404 --> 01:43:22,822 Neither do I. 1197 01:43:27,535 --> 01:43:32,791 But I know in my heart that Damien, Jason and Jessie did not do this. 1198 01:44:03,238 --> 01:44:08,701 Well that's all right, Mama That's all right for you. 1199 01:44:08,743 --> 01:44:13,581 That's all right, Mama Just any way you do. 1200 01:44:13,748 --> 01:44:14,749 That's all right. 1201 01:44:35,103 --> 01:44:39,816 Is that too tight? You'll be back soon. 1202 01:44:39,941 --> 01:44:43,444 Real soon, sweetheart. I promise. 1203 01:44:43,544 --> 01:44:48,544 http://subscene.com/u/659433 Improved by: @Ivandrofly 102087

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