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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,167 --> 00:00:11,207 You probably know me from "Love & Hip Hop," 2 00:00:11,208 --> 00:00:14,000 but get ready for my story. 3 00:00:14,125 --> 00:00:16,999 How much time do you have? 4 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,374 Mimi Faust, take one. Mark. 5 00:00:19,375 --> 00:00:21,124 First of all, let's be clear. 6 00:00:21,125 --> 00:00:24,166 I'm not a porn watcher. 7 00:00:24,167 --> 00:00:27,249 Like, in my real life, I don't watch porn. 8 00:00:27,250 --> 00:00:31,332 So, for me to have a porn tape, 9 00:00:31,333 --> 00:00:33,582 how bizarre can my life even get? 10 00:00:33,583 --> 00:00:36,249 It's like, what the [bleep]? 11 00:00:36,250 --> 00:00:40,874 Mimi Faust is a cast member on "Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta." 12 00:00:40,875 --> 00:00:44,124 I'm talking to the one and only Mimi Faust. 13 00:00:44,125 --> 00:00:46,166 Social media was just, you know, 14 00:00:46,167 --> 00:00:48,291 becoming a really, really big thing. 15 00:00:48,292 --> 00:00:52,124 So, not only am I dealing with everyone watching, 16 00:00:52,125 --> 00:00:56,041 I'm now dealing with everyone's opinion 17 00:00:56,042 --> 00:00:57,916 about what they're seeing. 18 00:00:57,917 --> 00:01:00,791 The criticism that people experience 19 00:01:00,792 --> 00:01:02,832 on social media, it really takes root. 20 00:01:02,833 --> 00:01:05,499 After I signed with Vivid, 21 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:08,041 they're like, okay, "We don't have our money shot. 22 00:01:08,042 --> 00:01:11,332 You need to go, and we need our money shot." 23 00:01:11,333 --> 00:01:13,375 So, I'm like, what? 24 00:01:13,500 --> 00:01:17,333 Really, it was the shower rod. Oh, the shower rod. 25 00:01:17,458 --> 00:01:19,666 Shower rod was a big takeaway from that tape. 26 00:01:19,667 --> 00:01:22,416 And it happened so fast, from them calling... 27 00:01:22,417 --> 00:01:24,041 ...to me signing this contract, 28 00:01:24,042 --> 00:01:26,874 to it being signed, sealed, and delivered 29 00:01:26,875 --> 00:01:29,332 was a matter of a few weeks. 30 00:01:29,333 --> 00:01:31,457 Vivid, you took advantage of her and a lot of other people. 31 00:01:35,333 --> 00:01:38,999 I didn't know what I was doing. I had no clue what I was doing. 32 00:01:57,708 --> 00:02:00,249 I am Mimi Faust. 33 00:02:00,250 --> 00:02:04,666 Most of you probably know me from "Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta." 34 00:02:08,667 --> 00:02:10,832 "Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta" 35 00:02:10,833 --> 00:02:13,332 was a huge pop culture phenomenon. 36 00:02:13,333 --> 00:02:16,249 It was one of the first shows to get memes. 37 00:02:16,250 --> 00:02:19,874 It would have clips and gifs circulating each week. 38 00:02:19,875 --> 00:02:21,666 People were tweeting about it. 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,249 I'd say Mimi is one 40 00:02:26,250 --> 00:02:27,957 of the main stars of "Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta." 41 00:02:27,958 --> 00:02:29,957 She's definitely an OG. 42 00:02:31,583 --> 00:02:34,332 I never aspired to be an entertainer 43 00:02:34,333 --> 00:02:37,457 or on television or anything like that. 44 00:02:37,458 --> 00:02:40,749 A friend of mine actually texted me and said, 45 00:02:40,750 --> 00:02:44,291 "Hey, I'm casting for this show, 'Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta.' 46 00:02:44,292 --> 00:02:47,250 You should go out for the casting." 47 00:02:47,375 --> 00:02:51,374 I auditioned for "Love & Hip Hop" in 2011. 48 00:02:51,375 --> 00:02:54,791 Half of Atlanta is in the hotel. 49 00:02:54,792 --> 00:02:59,332 It was about 3,000 people in the lobby, like a sea of people. 50 00:02:59,333 --> 00:03:04,416 But through this sea of people, guess who I see. 51 00:03:04,417 --> 00:03:06,333 My daughter's father. 52 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:09,332 So, I'm like, huh. 53 00:03:09,333 --> 00:03:11,332 So, I immediately walk over to him, 54 00:03:11,333 --> 00:03:13,832 and we had an argument. 55 00:03:13,833 --> 00:03:16,791 This man cursed me out every which way from Sunday. 56 00:03:16,792 --> 00:03:21,499 One of the producers saw us and says, "Hey, come with me." 57 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:24,249 Took us upstairs. 58 00:03:24,250 --> 00:03:25,666 We get up to this conference room, 59 00:03:25,667 --> 00:03:27,375 and there's all these executives there, 60 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:29,375 and they sit us in these chairs. 61 00:03:29,500 --> 00:03:32,082 They're like, "So, tell us about yourselves." 62 00:03:32,083 --> 00:03:34,374 And when I tell you, this man just got finished 63 00:03:34,375 --> 00:03:37,374 calling me everything but a child of God, okay? 64 00:03:37,375 --> 00:03:40,124 Then he turns into a saint. 65 00:03:40,125 --> 00:03:42,332 He's like the sun, the moon, and the stars. 66 00:03:42,333 --> 00:03:46,708 and when the planets align, and I'm like, what? 67 00:03:46,833 --> 00:03:51,332 And--And I was so livid. I was like, are you kidding me? 68 00:03:51,333 --> 00:03:53,499 I think Jesus took the wheel. 69 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:56,417 And I said, "Do you wanna know the problem? 70 00:03:56,542 --> 00:03:57,832 He doesn't know how to come home at night, 71 00:03:57,833 --> 00:04:00,666 and when he does, he smells like P-U-[bleeps]-Y" 72 00:04:02,417 --> 00:04:05,332 And at that moment, everybody said... 73 00:04:05,333 --> 00:04:07,666 "Tell us more." And--and that was all she wrote. 74 00:04:07,667 --> 00:04:09,957 They signed us immediately. 75 00:04:19,750 --> 00:04:21,999 "Love & Hip Hop" is a show of beautiful, 76 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:24,832 talented people, people of color, 77 00:04:24,833 --> 00:04:27,124 that it's the day in the life of each person. 78 00:04:27,125 --> 00:04:29,249 It is addicting. There's fights. 79 00:04:29,250 --> 00:04:31,833 What you-- This bitch is shaking the table. 80 00:04:31,958 --> 00:04:34,542 - There's love. - Hey, bae. 81 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:36,832 There's a lot of drinking. 82 00:04:36,833 --> 00:04:39,499 I never knew throwing drinks on people was so popular 83 00:04:39,500 --> 00:04:41,666 until reality television. - [bleep] 84 00:04:41,667 --> 00:04:43,666 We, as a people, are drawn to chaos. 85 00:04:43,667 --> 00:04:45,416 You know, I think that that's why 86 00:04:45,417 --> 00:04:47,582 the craziest reality shows do the best. 87 00:04:49,583 --> 00:04:53,082 I, with intention, refused, adamantly, 88 00:04:53,083 --> 00:04:54,999 to watch that horse [bleep]. 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,499 I don't like the exploitation 90 00:04:56,500 --> 00:04:59,457 of the relationships of Black men and women, period. 91 00:04:59,458 --> 00:05:02,124 Reality shows dabble 92 00:05:02,125 --> 00:05:06,666 in too many awful stereotypes and predictable archetypes 93 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:08,124 that, um... 94 00:05:08,125 --> 00:05:10,999 just make my balls hurt. 95 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,624 The culture, when it comes to entertainment in America, 96 00:05:13,625 --> 00:05:14,832 is trash. 97 00:05:21,625 --> 00:05:26,207 By the 2010s, America fully belonged to the Internet. 98 00:05:26,208 --> 00:05:29,332 It's where we were spending a lot of our time. 99 00:05:29,333 --> 00:05:31,750 The Internet moves 24 hours a day. 100 00:05:31,917 --> 00:05:34,166 You know, we're constantly consuming 101 00:05:34,167 --> 00:05:36,041 celebrity gossip through it. 102 00:05:36,042 --> 00:05:39,500 Celebrities are now interacting with us online via social media. 103 00:05:39,625 --> 00:05:42,042 We're the age of eh. Nothing impresses us. 104 00:05:42,167 --> 00:05:45,166 That's what the 2010s are like. Eh. We already seen that. 105 00:05:45,167 --> 00:05:47,332 We got 65 million things 106 00:05:47,333 --> 00:05:49,999 trying to divide our attention all at once. 107 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,916 So, now staying relevant and sticking is real hard, 108 00:05:53,917 --> 00:05:57,874 and so people are willing to do outlandish stuff 109 00:05:57,875 --> 00:05:59,832 just to be able to do it. 110 00:06:02,708 --> 00:06:04,791 I mean, I guess if I summed it up, 111 00:06:04,792 --> 00:06:07,874 I'd say 2010s is the age of clout chasing. 112 00:06:07,875 --> 00:06:11,499 It was a lot going on. It was a lot going on. 113 00:06:14,042 --> 00:06:17,457 I just happened to be in the limelight at that time. 114 00:06:17,458 --> 00:06:19,542 If you know Mimi from reality television, 115 00:06:19,667 --> 00:06:22,417 you may know her as someone that 116 00:06:22,542 --> 00:06:25,749 is always mad at someone, yelling. 117 00:06:25,750 --> 00:06:27,916 Why you talking about Stevie? I'm my own bitch. 118 00:06:27,917 --> 00:06:30,249 But if you were in her shoes in that situation, 119 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:31,957 you probably would be the same way. 120 00:06:31,958 --> 00:06:36,666 I was really labeled, um, the angry Black woman a lot. 121 00:06:36,667 --> 00:06:39,124 "Oh, she's so angry, or "She's--She's mean." 122 00:06:39,125 --> 00:06:40,791 Anytime a Black woman 123 00:06:40,792 --> 00:06:42,332 puts a little bit of bass in her voice or, you know, 124 00:06:42,333 --> 00:06:45,666 is passionate about something, 125 00:06:45,667 --> 00:06:50,124 we're deemed aggressive, ghetto, um, angry Black woman. 126 00:06:50,125 --> 00:06:53,541 You know how many times I've had people come up to me and say, 127 00:06:53,542 --> 00:06:55,000 I was scared to approach you 128 00:06:55,125 --> 00:06:57,582 because I thought you were-- you were mean"? 129 00:06:57,583 --> 00:07:02,374 The Mimi that I know is-- has far more layers than that. 130 00:07:02,375 --> 00:07:05,832 She's so nice. She's so kind. 131 00:07:05,833 --> 00:07:09,207 So let's get into some Mimi Faust. Mimi is my girl. 132 00:07:09,208 --> 00:07:11,541 We've been close friends for years, 133 00:07:11,542 --> 00:07:13,416 and we are 25 years in. 134 00:07:13,417 --> 00:07:15,500 Listen, we've all been through our traumas in life. 135 00:07:15,625 --> 00:07:17,167 She's been through more trauma 136 00:07:17,292 --> 00:07:19,791 than probably anybody that I've known. 137 00:07:19,792 --> 00:07:23,208 She was basically a survivor since she was 13 years old. 138 00:07:23,375 --> 00:07:27,416 I was put out at the age of 13. 139 00:07:27,417 --> 00:07:29,707 I didn't meet my dad till I was 16. 140 00:07:29,708 --> 00:07:33,457 My mother was introduced to Scientology 141 00:07:33,458 --> 00:07:36,500 by someone she was dating and decided, 142 00:07:36,625 --> 00:07:38,166 "I'm--I'm going in." 143 00:07:41,833 --> 00:07:44,166 They wanted me to sign a contract 144 00:07:44,167 --> 00:07:48,875 to work for the church, and it was a billion years. 145 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,957 And I'm like... 146 00:07:50,958 --> 00:07:52,416 hmm. 147 00:07:52,417 --> 00:07:55,291 No, I don't think I wanna do that. 148 00:07:55,292 --> 00:07:59,041 I have a deadline, gotta be out of here. 149 00:07:59,042 --> 00:08:02,624 And everything in me thought, my mom's gonna stop this. 150 00:08:05,375 --> 00:08:08,500 She never said a word. 151 00:08:10,750 --> 00:08:12,749 I got nothing but respect for someone 152 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:17,041 that could get up off the floor and get back up. 153 00:08:17,042 --> 00:08:20,041 You know, if you don't fix what your childhood trauma is, 154 00:08:20,042 --> 00:08:21,917 you're gonna go through life 155 00:08:22,042 --> 00:08:25,166 kind of doing-- making the same mistakes 156 00:08:25,167 --> 00:08:26,416 and trying to fill those holes. 157 00:08:26,417 --> 00:08:28,291 And she's just picking the wrong people 158 00:08:28,292 --> 00:08:32,541 or allowing the wrong people to be in her life, like Stevie J. 159 00:08:32,542 --> 00:08:35,916 Stevie J--this is someone she had a child with, 160 00:08:35,917 --> 00:08:37,917 someone she'd been with for many years. 161 00:08:45,833 --> 00:08:49,832 It's one thing to be cheated on in private, 162 00:08:49,833 --> 00:08:51,667 but to have it play out in public, 163 00:08:51,792 --> 00:08:54,166 I can only imagine how difficult that must be. 164 00:08:59,708 --> 00:09:02,041 The people watching it are watching it for entertainment. 165 00:09:02,042 --> 00:09:04,166 So, then you tend to start treating them as entertainment 166 00:09:04,167 --> 00:09:06,916 and that--not people whose lives you're actually seeing. 167 00:09:06,917 --> 00:09:10,917 And so we're seeing this whole dynamic, you know, play out, 168 00:09:11,042 --> 00:09:13,207 and for us, it's just like weekly viewing, you know? 169 00:09:13,208 --> 00:09:15,916 For her, she's gotta live this day in and day out 170 00:09:15,917 --> 00:09:17,916 and deal with whatever is going to be 171 00:09:17,917 --> 00:09:19,624 the fallout from this afterwards. 172 00:09:19,625 --> 00:09:21,124 I hate to say it. 173 00:09:21,125 --> 00:09:22,957 It's not like an uncommon perception people have about, 174 00:09:22,958 --> 00:09:25,041 you know, when women get cheated on. 175 00:09:25,042 --> 00:09:26,832 They feel like somehow it's our fault. 176 00:09:26,833 --> 00:09:28,832 Somehow we had to do something 177 00:09:28,833 --> 00:09:32,000 to drive this man to treat us in this disrespectful way. 178 00:09:32,208 --> 00:09:33,749 And it's like, nah, he just disrespectful. 179 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:35,332 He got nothing to do with us. 180 00:09:35,333 --> 00:09:37,666 Oh, I was the dodo bird, the doormat. 181 00:09:37,667 --> 00:09:39,166 You're stupid. You're dumb. 182 00:09:43,083 --> 00:09:45,957 Black women have so much weight on their shoulders. 183 00:09:45,958 --> 00:09:48,374 We're not allowed to be too soft because then we're weak. 184 00:09:48,375 --> 00:09:50,083 To constantly have to worry about that 185 00:09:50,208 --> 00:09:53,166 on top of everything else, how I'm making you feel 186 00:09:53,167 --> 00:09:56,417 if I express my emotions, it's not right. It's not fair. 187 00:10:00,458 --> 00:10:02,916 It's thousands and thousands and thousands 188 00:10:02,917 --> 00:10:05,500 of different entities saying different things 189 00:10:05,625 --> 00:10:08,375 and having different opinions and different views 190 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:12,582 of what they think they know about you and your situation, 191 00:10:12,583 --> 00:10:14,916 and they have no clue. 192 00:10:14,917 --> 00:10:17,457 People wanna say, oh, she makes bad decisions in relationships. 193 00:10:17,458 --> 00:10:18,874 Who the [bleep] doesn't? 194 00:10:18,875 --> 00:10:21,124 Just hers is on television for us to criticize. 195 00:10:22,625 --> 00:10:24,416 I do think that Mimi did come to a point where 196 00:10:24,417 --> 00:10:26,374 she couldn't take any more. 197 00:10:26,375 --> 00:10:29,291 It's probably what caused her to finally close the door 198 00:10:29,292 --> 00:10:31,291 on that romantic relationship. 199 00:10:31,292 --> 00:10:35,166 I was done. I was done, just... just like that. 200 00:10:35,167 --> 00:10:38,874 Hallelujah. We were happy. 201 00:10:38,875 --> 00:10:41,583 Unfortunately, I think that Mimi was used to 202 00:10:41,708 --> 00:10:43,999 that sort of romantic dynamic. 203 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,957 She went from one traumatic relationship to another. 204 00:10:46,958 --> 00:10:51,874 Mimi was at a low place in her life when she met Nikko. 205 00:11:01,542 --> 00:11:05,124 Mimi Faust was in a relationship with a man named Nikko, 206 00:11:05,125 --> 00:11:09,249 and the tape between them had leaked, 207 00:11:09,250 --> 00:11:13,249 and it depicted them having sex, but what actually happened was 208 00:11:13,250 --> 00:11:17,832 that they produced a sex tape willfully and released it. 209 00:11:17,833 --> 00:11:19,749 I would have never in a million years thought 210 00:11:19,750 --> 00:11:22,041 she would do a tape, but I understand how she got there. 211 00:11:22,042 --> 00:11:25,041 No one wakes up and says, "I wanna do a sex tape." 212 00:11:25,042 --> 00:11:26,957 It's like, this happened, and that happened 213 00:11:26,958 --> 00:11:28,957 that led you here, that made you vulnerable, 214 00:11:28,958 --> 00:11:30,499 that made you go into a deep depression, 215 00:11:30,500 --> 00:11:32,707 that made some guy seem like a god 216 00:11:32,708 --> 00:11:33,999 when he comes out of nowhere and has your back 217 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,791 and wants to spend all this time with you. 218 00:11:35,792 --> 00:11:37,624 We haven't even gotten to the good stuff. 219 00:11:37,625 --> 00:11:39,041 - I know. - We, we're still rolling, yeah. 220 00:11:41,375 --> 00:11:43,042 Wow... 221 00:11:45,875 --> 00:11:47,124 Hey, let's talk about it. 222 00:11:47,125 --> 00:11:49,333 Yeah... 223 00:11:50,583 --> 00:11:51,917 Okay. 224 00:11:57,333 --> 00:11:58,832 Can you [bleep] leave? 225 00:11:58,833 --> 00:12:01,999 When Stevie and Mimi broke up in front of the world, 226 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:03,417 she was angry. 227 00:12:03,583 --> 00:12:05,000 Wanna [bleep] bitches, but you never wanna handle the [bleep] 228 00:12:05,125 --> 00:12:07,374 after the fact. - I'm not tryna argue with you. 229 00:12:07,375 --> 00:12:10,999 'Cause we have a daughter... let me choose my words. 230 00:12:12,958 --> 00:12:18,707 We are currently trying to get on the same page as co-parents. 231 00:12:18,708 --> 00:12:20,749 I'm gonna leave it there. 232 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:22,957 The next person that came along was Nikko. 233 00:12:24,625 --> 00:12:28,708 I ran into Nikko years ago in New York 234 00:12:28,833 --> 00:12:31,416 after I was on "Love & Hip Hop." 235 00:12:31,417 --> 00:12:34,999 Then we started chopping it up, 236 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,457 and then one thing led to another. 237 00:12:37,458 --> 00:12:39,083 From season one, 238 00:12:39,208 --> 00:12:45,041 I was probably at the worst possible moment in my life. 239 00:12:45,042 --> 00:12:46,957 The things that I was dealing with, 240 00:12:46,958 --> 00:12:50,749 with my daughter's father and-- and the girl that he was with, 241 00:12:50,750 --> 00:12:52,582 just the backlash I got from that... 242 00:12:56,167 --> 00:12:58,708 It was like getting shot with, um... 243 00:12:58,833 --> 00:13:00,833 paint gun pellets. 244 00:13:00,958 --> 00:13:02,457 Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. 245 00:13:02,458 --> 00:13:04,499 You just get shot up. Shot up. Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. 246 00:13:04,500 --> 00:13:06,124 With no-- You don't have a shield. 247 00:13:06,125 --> 00:13:08,083 You have anywhere to hide. You're just like, "Ahh!" 248 00:13:08,208 --> 00:13:10,499 And then you finally have someone 249 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:13,249 to kind of shield you from it. 250 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:15,666 He was like a breath of fresh air at the time, 251 00:13:15,667 --> 00:13:18,291 and I was like, "You wanna do this with me, 252 00:13:18,292 --> 00:13:21,207 You know what I'm saying?" And he was so down. 253 00:13:21,208 --> 00:13:24,791 I don't think she saw it at the time, 254 00:13:24,792 --> 00:13:26,416 but in my opinion, he swooped in. 255 00:13:26,417 --> 00:13:27,999 He saw an opportunity. 256 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,874 I've seen Nikko around the business for many years. 257 00:13:30,875 --> 00:13:32,082 He's always wanted to get down. 258 00:13:32,083 --> 00:13:33,791 Two weeks later, he's living in Atlanta, 259 00:13:33,792 --> 00:13:37,124 and now he's in a storyline on the show. 260 00:13:37,125 --> 00:13:41,583 Nikko, from what I can recall, was, like, kinda smooth talker, 261 00:13:41,708 --> 00:13:43,666 charismatic, bit of a ladies man. 262 00:13:43,667 --> 00:13:47,374 He was juxtapositioned as her lover 263 00:13:47,375 --> 00:13:49,832 and just looked at as, like, kind of smooth. 264 00:13:49,833 --> 00:13:53,833 Nikko on the show, I remember I was rooting for them 265 00:13:54,042 --> 00:13:56,499 because I was just consistently rooting for Mimi. 266 00:13:56,500 --> 00:13:59,124 I felt so bad, what she'd been through with Stevie J., 267 00:13:59,125 --> 00:14:01,499 so it seemed like she found someone who made her happy, 268 00:14:01,500 --> 00:14:03,082 and that was good. 269 00:14:06,792 --> 00:14:09,957 Absolutely had warning signs. Absolutely. 270 00:14:12,042 --> 00:14:16,666 Every time I would go to this man's... place, 271 00:14:16,667 --> 00:14:19,999 he always had a camera on a tripod 272 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,791 facing the bed every time. 273 00:14:23,792 --> 00:14:26,249 However, Nikko did music, 274 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:28,957 and I would see him from time to time, 275 00:14:28,958 --> 00:14:32,457 you know, recording himself doing his music. 276 00:14:32,458 --> 00:14:35,624 And I thought it was a little odd, but I ignored it. 277 00:14:37,708 --> 00:14:39,374 So, one day he was like... 278 00:14:39,375 --> 00:14:43,957 "You know, when we make love, it's like--it's like art. 279 00:14:43,958 --> 00:14:46,832 It's like art. You know, we should--Let's--Let's-- 280 00:14:46,833 --> 00:14:47,999 We should record it so we can see it back. 281 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,166 It's, like, magical." 282 00:14:50,167 --> 00:14:52,457 I had never, ever, ever 283 00:14:52,458 --> 00:14:53,999 recorded myself before. 284 00:14:56,042 --> 00:14:59,749 Why I decided to do it with this... person, 285 00:14:59,750 --> 00:15:02,457 I don't know. 286 00:15:02,458 --> 00:15:04,416 Looking back, Mimi was a perfect candidate 287 00:15:04,417 --> 00:15:05,999 for something like this, 288 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,332 and I think a lot of women that get in these positions, 289 00:15:09,333 --> 00:15:12,166 the backstories is usually the same. 290 00:15:12,167 --> 00:15:14,500 There's been sexual abuse or abandonment. 291 00:15:14,625 --> 00:15:17,707 So, I just need people to, like, look at it differently, 292 00:15:17,708 --> 00:15:21,499 that someone who's been victimized 293 00:15:21,500 --> 00:15:23,249 will continue to get victimized 294 00:15:23,250 --> 00:15:25,332 until they get some kind of help, you know? 295 00:15:25,333 --> 00:15:30,207 I mean, the strong, happy, confident Mimi I know now 296 00:15:30,208 --> 00:15:33,124 would never be able to be put in that position now 297 00:15:33,125 --> 00:15:35,957 'cause she's seen-- she's seen the light now. 298 00:15:35,958 --> 00:15:40,582 But at the time, look at the timeline. 299 00:15:40,583 --> 00:15:42,666 Struggle, gets pregnant, 300 00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:44,791 has a baby, gets abandoned, 301 00:15:44,792 --> 00:15:46,583 embarrassed on national television. 302 00:15:46,708 --> 00:15:49,166 Another guy comes in, swoops in that "saved the day." 303 00:15:49,167 --> 00:15:51,750 And the problem is when you have two people 304 00:15:51,875 --> 00:15:54,000 where one person has-- has a pure heart, 305 00:15:54,208 --> 00:15:55,917 and they're thinking, "I'm doing this for you or for us 306 00:15:56,042 --> 00:15:58,917 and I'm listening to you," and there's love there, 307 00:15:59,042 --> 00:16:00,417 and then you're on some... 308 00:16:00,542 --> 00:16:02,082 "Man, I'll just tell this bitch whatever I gotta tell her 309 00:16:02,083 --> 00:16:04,291 to get what I need. I got this," 310 00:16:04,292 --> 00:16:07,291 that's the most toxic, dangerous combination. 311 00:16:09,708 --> 00:16:12,082 We recorded ourselves, 312 00:16:12,083 --> 00:16:16,207 and after that, maybe a few days, 313 00:16:16,208 --> 00:16:19,207 few days later, he was like, um, 314 00:16:19,208 --> 00:16:22,541 "Yeah, you know, I got a--I got a homeboy that--that--that, 315 00:16:22,542 --> 00:16:25,499 you know, is cool with the guy at--at--at Vivid." 316 00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:34,416 The moment I said okay to, "Let's see what they say," 317 00:16:34,417 --> 00:16:37,041 that was it. 318 00:16:37,042 --> 00:16:38,833 And I call it pushing the button. 319 00:16:38,958 --> 00:16:41,083 Once I pushed that button, 320 00:16:41,208 --> 00:16:45,874 there was no--there was no getting any of it back. 321 00:16:45,875 --> 00:16:48,166 But unbeknownst to her, 322 00:16:48,167 --> 00:16:52,499 he was telling her after he already tried to... 323 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:54,707 pitch the tape to people. 324 00:16:54,708 --> 00:16:56,416 So, it was already out there, 325 00:16:56,417 --> 00:17:00,624 and he was putting the tape out to the sleaziest of sites. 326 00:17:00,625 --> 00:17:02,832 So, it started to grow, 327 00:17:02,833 --> 00:17:06,791 and now she's in a weird position where 328 00:17:06,792 --> 00:17:09,832 it's gonna get released no matter what at this point. 329 00:17:09,833 --> 00:17:11,374 So, you can either take control of it 330 00:17:11,375 --> 00:17:14,749 and sign on with a company like Vivid 331 00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:16,666 or let the chips fall where they may, and you get nothing, 332 00:17:16,667 --> 00:17:19,041 and you're still gonna have your [bleep] out there. 333 00:17:21,875 --> 00:17:24,374 A week later, Vivid ends up contacting me 334 00:17:24,375 --> 00:17:27,166 and calls me and says, "Hey, we need to--we wanna-- 335 00:17:27,167 --> 00:17:28,832 we wanna have a face-to-face meeting. 336 00:17:28,833 --> 00:17:31,332 We're gonna fly you guys to L.A." 337 00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:34,082 I didn't know! I didn't know what I was doing. 338 00:17:34,083 --> 00:17:36,291 I honestly didn't know. 339 00:17:36,292 --> 00:17:40,124 By me saying, "Yeah, ask 'em, you see what--what they say." 340 00:17:40,125 --> 00:17:41,708 I didn't know what that meant. 341 00:17:51,542 --> 00:17:54,125 Hell, yeah, Vivid took advantage of Mimi. 342 00:18:03,875 --> 00:18:06,166 Do I know who Steven Hirsch is? Yeah. 343 00:18:06,167 --> 00:18:07,916 He's a really good friend of mine. 344 00:18:10,667 --> 00:18:12,332 I do. 345 00:18:12,333 --> 00:18:14,292 Yes. 346 00:18:16,708 --> 00:18:21,083 Hmm. Um... Oh, man. 347 00:18:21,208 --> 00:18:22,500 You know, I'm trying to be 348 00:18:22,625 --> 00:18:25,791 more... diplomatic as I get older. 349 00:18:25,792 --> 00:18:29,167 Steven is tenacious. 350 00:18:29,292 --> 00:18:34,291 He was successful. He was very good at what he did. 351 00:18:34,292 --> 00:18:36,374 Vivid Entertainment, run by Steve Hirsch. 352 00:18:36,375 --> 00:18:41,582 Steve brokered the deal with Kim Kardashian and Ray J 353 00:18:41,583 --> 00:18:46,541 to be the only distributor of the tape. 354 00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:48,957 Steve Hirsch, by the way, went to my rival high school 355 00:18:48,958 --> 00:18:53,457 in Cleveland, Ohio, and I had known Steve Hirsch for a minute. 356 00:18:53,458 --> 00:18:54,999 Porn basically originated out of Cleveland, Ohio, 357 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,791 so a lot of the kids I grew up with, 358 00:18:58,792 --> 00:19:00,749 their parents were what 359 00:19:00,750 --> 00:19:03,000 they would say were in the "comic book business." 360 00:19:03,125 --> 00:19:05,124 But in actuality, what that meant was 361 00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:06,957 they either owned adult bookstores, 362 00:19:06,958 --> 00:19:08,832 or they owned the distributors 363 00:19:08,833 --> 00:19:11,874 that would supply the bookstores with their novelties, 364 00:19:11,875 --> 00:19:13,999 sex toys, and magazines. 365 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,333 So, Steven came from that era. 366 00:19:16,458 --> 00:19:20,249 Steven had experience. Porn kind of ran in the family. 367 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:22,416 His father was also involved in the business, 368 00:19:22,417 --> 00:19:24,708 and Vivid was founded in 1984. 369 00:19:29,083 --> 00:19:33,082 When he started Vivid, he just built that company from scratch, 370 00:19:33,083 --> 00:19:35,291 from really nothing, and just by getting 371 00:19:35,292 --> 00:19:36,791 the best girls he could get, 372 00:19:36,792 --> 00:19:40,207 and by signing those girls to exclusive contracts. 373 00:19:40,208 --> 00:19:41,832 He was the first one to do that. 374 00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:45,499 He implemented the old Hollywood contract star thing. 375 00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:47,207 That's why he had the Vivid Girls, 376 00:19:47,208 --> 00:19:48,999 where he would sign these girls to contracts. 377 00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:54,999 I introduced Steve Hirsch to my contact at TMZ, 378 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,750 and before you knew it, he had gotten into my contact's pocket. 379 00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:01,124 Whether it was flying him out for the AVN Awards 380 00:20:01,125 --> 00:20:03,999 and setting him up with, you know, 381 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,042 girls or money or whatever, 382 00:20:06,208 --> 00:20:08,500 he was able to ingratiate himself into the fold 383 00:20:08,625 --> 00:20:10,749 where these guys all thought he was the coolest guy ever 384 00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:12,541 'cause he was in porn. 385 00:20:12,542 --> 00:20:15,624 At one point, he loved having his name in lights. 386 00:20:15,625 --> 00:20:18,500 Every week, there was a Vivid story on TMZ, 387 00:20:18,625 --> 00:20:20,082 and he loved it, he loved it, he loved it. 388 00:20:20,083 --> 00:20:22,499 Oh, he just loved to be the big shot, 389 00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:25,666 and he loved when they would get him a paparazzi, you know? 390 00:20:25,667 --> 00:20:28,332 He was dating Melissa Rivers for, like, a week or whatever, 391 00:20:28,333 --> 00:20:30,291 and he got a taste of that life, 392 00:20:30,292 --> 00:20:32,832 and, oh, he loved it so much. 393 00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:35,207 He did a very good job 394 00:20:35,208 --> 00:20:37,708 of building this company, Vivid Video, 395 00:20:37,833 --> 00:20:40,041 and turning it into something that, uh, 396 00:20:40,042 --> 00:20:41,250 nobody had ever seen before. 397 00:20:41,375 --> 00:20:43,416 Well, you know, for the last 30 years, 398 00:20:43,417 --> 00:20:45,499 for us, it's been all about building the brand. 399 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:47,250 Steve Hirsch at Vivid told me 400 00:20:47,375 --> 00:20:49,749 he was gonna change everything, and he was right. 401 00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:55,124 Vivid TV, Vivid.com, Vivid Radio, Vivid Clubs. 402 00:20:55,125 --> 00:20:57,624 What I think was interesting about him 403 00:20:57,625 --> 00:21:00,542 is he became kind of a conduit 404 00:21:00,708 --> 00:21:03,749 for people with celebrity sex tapes 405 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:06,207 to know, because of his track record, 406 00:21:06,208 --> 00:21:08,666 that if you had a sex tape, 407 00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:11,333 and you wanted to release it publicly, 408 00:21:11,542 --> 00:21:13,374 you'd definitely go talk to him, 409 00:21:13,375 --> 00:21:17,541 because pay you money, then market it for you-- 410 00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:20,582 it was a win-win from the standpoint of the star 411 00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:24,832 who wanted it out there, and obviously he did very well. 412 00:21:24,833 --> 00:21:26,499 Vivid saw a market, 413 00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:28,499 and they definitely capitalized off of it. 414 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,749 I was offered, like, um, from Vivid Entertainment, like, 415 00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:35,457 $200,000 if I would do one. I said no. 416 00:21:35,458 --> 00:21:38,666 I am too lazy to be on anybody's sex tape, okay? 417 00:21:38,667 --> 00:21:41,374 I am too lazy. Vivid knows better not 418 00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:43,957 to even ring my phone with that bull[bleep]. No. 419 00:21:43,958 --> 00:21:45,999 He does have, I hate to say it, 420 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,708 but a very clear eye on the way this industry works 421 00:21:48,833 --> 00:21:50,999 and what people will wanna see and who 422 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,333 they'll wanna see doing it. 423 00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,041 You guys have always been known 424 00:21:54,042 --> 00:21:56,582 for your very high quality adult entertainment, correct? 425 00:21:56,583 --> 00:21:58,791 I think he's a little bit of a one-trick pony. 426 00:21:58,792 --> 00:22:00,957 I don't know if Steven's going to be as 427 00:22:00,958 --> 00:22:02,749 successful doing anything else. 428 00:22:07,458 --> 00:22:09,791 We're having the meeting about the tape. 429 00:22:09,792 --> 00:22:11,582 Steve is a businessman. 430 00:22:11,583 --> 00:22:15,042 He's very well dressed, very clean, you know, 431 00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:16,499 very nice-looking gentleman, 432 00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,707 very articulate about his business. 433 00:22:18,708 --> 00:22:22,874 And Marci Hirsch, Steve Hirsch's sister, um, 434 00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:25,499 she was working directly with him at the time. 435 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,291 She pulled me to the side, and she says... 436 00:22:28,292 --> 00:22:30,875 "Your boyfriend is a dirtbag." 437 00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:33,832 And I was like... 438 00:22:33,833 --> 00:22:37,499 that was huge for me 'cause I knew he was a dirtbag. 439 00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:40,333 But for someone else to actually confirm it 440 00:22:40,542 --> 00:22:44,874 and--and, like, put this bug in my ear... 441 00:22:44,875 --> 00:22:48,416 She says, "Not only did he give this tape to us, 442 00:22:48,417 --> 00:22:51,332 but he's been shopping this tape around 443 00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:52,666 to--to everywhere, 444 00:22:52,667 --> 00:22:55,666 and if you don't sign with us, it's your choice. 445 00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:57,208 You don't have to, but if you don't, 446 00:22:57,333 --> 00:23:00,207 this tape will be everywhere for free. 447 00:23:00,208 --> 00:23:03,207 This tape will be all over everywhere, 448 00:23:03,208 --> 00:23:04,499 and there's nothing you can do about it." 449 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,999 I didn't know he was shopping it around. 450 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,832 He said he was taking it to a specific place to just see. 451 00:23:12,833 --> 00:23:17,999 I'm trusting him as my boyfriend to secure us 452 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,457 and do--but, like, he-- he was on a whole different-- 453 00:23:22,458 --> 00:23:27,582 his mindset was on a whole different stratosphere 454 00:23:27,583 --> 00:23:29,625 from where I was and what I was thinking. 455 00:23:33,167 --> 00:23:34,624 My name is Ian Halperin, 456 00:23:34,625 --> 00:23:36,208 number one "New York Times" Best Selling author. 457 00:23:38,292 --> 00:23:42,291 I wanted to go undercover to find out 458 00:23:42,292 --> 00:23:48,791 the intricate details of selling and distributing a sex tape. 459 00:23:48,792 --> 00:23:53,957 I was at Vivid, and I posed as a sex tape peddler, 460 00:23:53,958 --> 00:23:59,541 and I put a spin that I had a famous, well-known supermodel 461 00:23:59,542 --> 00:24:03,457 with the world's top basketball star, LeBron. 462 00:24:03,458 --> 00:24:06,041 And by doing it this way, 463 00:24:06,042 --> 00:24:10,375 I was able to get through to Vivid's publicist. 464 00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,916 And the one thing I learned from this was 465 00:24:12,917 --> 00:24:17,000 you could not release a sex tape professionally 466 00:24:17,208 --> 00:24:20,042 without mutual consent. 467 00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:25,457 There were a lot of innocent people who were naive, 468 00:24:25,458 --> 00:24:28,166 and they were forced to sign contracts 469 00:24:28,167 --> 00:24:33,083 they were uncomfortable with and later regretted it. 470 00:24:35,042 --> 00:24:37,791 My name is Shawn Holley. I am a trial lawyer. 471 00:24:37,792 --> 00:24:41,707 I'm here to help answer questions about celebrities 472 00:24:41,708 --> 00:24:44,750 and sex tapes and all that sort of thing. 473 00:24:44,875 --> 00:24:47,666 Strong-armed tactics are being used in the room. 474 00:24:47,667 --> 00:24:49,499 Well, this person should never have come 475 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:51,499 to that meeting without a lawyer. 476 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,749 You can't possibly have any sort of legal agreement 477 00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:57,791 that dictates what's gonna happen with a tape 478 00:24:57,792 --> 00:25:02,749 that you are the subject star of 479 00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:06,166 and not have some say-so as to what the terms of-- 480 00:25:06,167 --> 00:25:07,582 it's just, that can't be. 481 00:25:07,583 --> 00:25:09,916 You know, the fact that everything 482 00:25:09,917 --> 00:25:12,374 was done at such an accelerated pace, 483 00:25:12,375 --> 00:25:16,124 if Mimi took an hour to go make a phone call to call me, 484 00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:19,041 a lawyer friend, or someone else that's been in this position, 485 00:25:19,042 --> 00:25:21,082 she'd have been advised not to do this deal. 486 00:25:21,083 --> 00:25:25,832 I had no idea, um, what was going to be transpired 487 00:25:25,833 --> 00:25:27,916 during that meeting that day, 488 00:25:27,917 --> 00:25:30,999 so I did not have a lawyer present. 489 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,541 Ah, absolutely! 490 00:25:33,542 --> 00:25:34,957 Hindsight, 20/20-- 491 00:25:34,958 --> 00:25:37,499 I would have had 50 lawyers there. 492 00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:39,291 'Cause if he didn't make the right decision, 493 00:25:39,292 --> 00:25:40,624 the next one would. 494 00:25:40,625 --> 00:25:42,499 You never have to sign a contract 495 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:43,957 the moment it's presented to you. 496 00:25:43,958 --> 00:25:45,625 You should always get at least 24 hours 497 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:48,916 to take it back home and look at it and have a lawyer look at it. 498 00:25:48,917 --> 00:25:51,832 You have to get 24 hours to get a lawyer present. 499 00:25:51,833 --> 00:25:54,832 You have to do whatever you have to do 500 00:25:54,833 --> 00:25:56,999 to get out of that room and buy some more time 501 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,791 to, at the very least, consult with a lawyer. 502 00:25:59,792 --> 00:26:03,999 It's easy to say, "Just don't sign it and go," 503 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,791 you know what I mean? But if the person is about to push, 504 00:26:05,792 --> 00:26:08,957 like, send out to the world this video, you know what mean? 505 00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:15,749 Like, that's not necessarily a practical thing to do. 506 00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:18,666 I didn't know exactly what was going on, 507 00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:20,250 to be perfectly honest with you. 508 00:26:22,125 --> 00:26:23,541 Vivid, you took advantage of her 509 00:26:23,542 --> 00:26:24,542 and a lot of other people. 510 00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:26,083 So messed up. 511 00:26:35,958 --> 00:26:39,874 We are able to structure the deal that we wanted, 512 00:26:39,875 --> 00:26:43,417 and so I didn't go for upfront payment. 513 00:26:43,542 --> 00:26:45,500 I went for a lifetime payment, 514 00:26:45,625 --> 00:26:48,291 since it's going to be out there for the lifetime. 515 00:26:48,292 --> 00:26:52,999 Whenever anyone downloads it around the world, 516 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,167 I will get residual income from it. 517 00:26:55,292 --> 00:26:57,999 That's the deal that I opted-- I opted to make 518 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,249 instead of just getting, like, an upfront situation from it. 519 00:27:01,250 --> 00:27:03,542 Vivid got their cut, 520 00:27:03,667 --> 00:27:05,957 and then we got our cut that we had to split, 521 00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:11,000 which was... not that great, but it is what it is. 522 00:27:12,625 --> 00:27:15,624 Um, hindsight 20/20--no. 523 00:27:15,625 --> 00:27:18,832 Hell, yeah, Vivid took advantage of Mimi. 524 00:27:18,833 --> 00:27:21,874 To tell someone, "Hey, listen, 525 00:27:21,875 --> 00:27:23,832 it's gonna come out no matter what." 526 00:27:23,833 --> 00:27:27,291 I-I think that's even, like... fake news. 527 00:27:27,292 --> 00:27:28,832 But if you don't know the law, 528 00:27:28,833 --> 00:27:30,249 or you don't know how this world works, 529 00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:32,749 she said she had to make a decision on the spot. 530 00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:35,917 She was pressured, and so she just did it. 531 00:27:36,042 --> 00:27:38,124 And they should be ashamed of themselves. 532 00:27:38,125 --> 00:27:40,375 I signed, right? 533 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,999 Immediately after I signed, 534 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,999 they're like, "Okay, we don't have our money shot." 535 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,541 You need to go to the hotel, and we need our money shot." 536 00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:52,124 So, I'm like, what? 537 00:27:52,125 --> 00:27:53,833 I thought whatever he gave you was-- 538 00:27:53,958 --> 00:27:56,750 that was it, and he signed off on it. 539 00:27:56,875 --> 00:27:58,166 They were like, "No, no, 540 00:27:58,167 --> 00:28:01,124 it needs to be a certain amount of minutes long, 541 00:28:01,125 --> 00:28:03,082 and we only have this amount of minutes, 542 00:28:03,083 --> 00:28:04,832 and we don't have our money shot." 543 00:28:04,833 --> 00:28:08,083 I'm like, what? What? 544 00:28:11,708 --> 00:28:14,292 So, we got whisked to a hotel. They were like, 545 00:28:14,417 --> 00:28:16,999 "Do you want a man or a woman camera person?" 546 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,582 So, I'm like, "Female, please. Please." 547 00:28:20,583 --> 00:28:23,833 A contract could be void if it has 548 00:28:23,958 --> 00:28:25,791 terms in it that are unconscionable. 549 00:28:25,792 --> 00:28:29,542 So, if it said, "You have to sign this right now or else," 550 00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:32,374 those terms would be so unconscionable 551 00:28:32,375 --> 00:28:36,041 that the contract itself could be voided, but again, 552 00:28:36,042 --> 00:28:38,458 back to our starting premise of what is your objective, 553 00:28:38,583 --> 00:28:40,374 and your objective is to stop it, 554 00:28:40,375 --> 00:28:42,042 and it can't be stopped, 555 00:28:42,167 --> 00:28:44,457 so now either, you know, you can't beat 'em, join 'em, 556 00:28:44,458 --> 00:28:48,707 then it might make the most sense to do what you gotta do. 557 00:28:48,708 --> 00:28:50,249 So, she's like, "Once I'm there, 558 00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:52,624 I just had to, like, just go-- go--go there and do it." 559 00:28:52,625 --> 00:28:54,332 It was horrible. 560 00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:57,707 I-I'm gonna say that it would-- it took forever. 561 00:28:57,708 --> 00:29:00,499 Mimi told me that it was really uncomfortable, 562 00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:04,999 and it took hours, 563 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,833 because they had to resort to him 564 00:29:07,958 --> 00:29:09,750 messing with the camerawoman, 565 00:29:09,875 --> 00:29:13,791 which sounds like the most disgusting scene ever. 566 00:29:13,792 --> 00:29:15,082 And she had to watch her man, 567 00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:16,499 who she had feelings for at the time-- 568 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:20,499 this is her boyfriend-- um... do that. 569 00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:24,249 And, you know, she said they had to get the money shot, 570 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:26,874 the money shot, the money shot, or they didn't have a tape. 571 00:29:26,875 --> 00:29:28,332 So, she felt pressured to do it. 572 00:29:30,458 --> 00:29:36,666 The entire situation was awkward from start to finish, 573 00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:42,499 was completely awkward, all of it. 574 00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,832 It was business for them. It was nothing personal for them. 575 00:29:44,833 --> 00:29:47,000 It was all personal for me. 576 00:29:51,417 --> 00:29:54,707 This is how we got to the whole shower thing. 577 00:29:54,708 --> 00:29:58,375 I was over it. Like... over it. 578 00:29:58,542 --> 00:30:01,124 And I'm like, "[bleep] this. I'm gonna go take a shower. 579 00:30:01,125 --> 00:30:03,666 I'm hot, I'm sweaty, I'm tired. 580 00:30:03,667 --> 00:30:07,916 You're not producing, sir, for this money shot, 581 00:30:07,917 --> 00:30:08,916 and I'm-- I need to go take a shower." 582 00:30:08,917 --> 00:30:11,332 Like, I--like, whatever. 583 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,916 I got up, dismissed myself from the situation, 584 00:30:15,917 --> 00:30:17,457 and I went to go take a shower. 585 00:30:17,458 --> 00:30:19,457 He follows me into the bathroom, 586 00:30:19,458 --> 00:30:22,167 and that's where the whole shower scene came from. 587 00:30:24,250 --> 00:30:28,791 But again, I wasn't a porn watcher. 588 00:30:28,792 --> 00:30:30,499 I didn't know that what this brought in. 589 00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,249 I didn't know anything. 590 00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:35,041 When I say green, I didn't know any-- 591 00:30:35,042 --> 00:30:37,708 And it happened so fast. 592 00:30:37,833 --> 00:30:42,082 From him saying, I'm gonna see what it can do, 593 00:30:42,083 --> 00:30:47,166 to a-a-a week later, Vivid saying, "Fly to L.A." 594 00:30:47,167 --> 00:30:48,999 to me signing this contract, 595 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,041 to it being signed, sealed, and delivered, 596 00:30:53,042 --> 00:30:56,957 it was a matter of a few weeks. 597 00:30:56,958 --> 00:30:58,832 No, I didn't know what I was doing. 598 00:30:58,833 --> 00:31:01,333 I had no clue what I was doing. None. 599 00:31:05,333 --> 00:31:08,291 I'm thinking, what's gonna happen when it does come out? 600 00:31:08,292 --> 00:31:10,542 What am I gonna say? What am I gonna do? 601 00:31:10,667 --> 00:31:13,416 I didn't know how to handle it. 602 00:31:13,417 --> 00:31:17,166 I just tried to just bury myself like it wasn't happening. 603 00:31:17,167 --> 00:31:20,333 It's rare that a celebrity is able to break through 604 00:31:20,458 --> 00:31:22,957 and make an audience understand they're hurting a person. 605 00:31:22,958 --> 00:31:25,375 And it backfired horribly. 606 00:31:33,792 --> 00:31:37,582 The tape broke the internet. 607 00:31:37,583 --> 00:31:43,207 The tape did better than any tape Vivid... ever put out. 608 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,167 So, it was Nikko's idea to come up with 609 00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:49,999 we went on vacation, and the tape 610 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,833 was taken out of our bag, 611 00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:54,082 and I wanted nothing to do with it. 612 00:31:54,083 --> 00:31:57,374 I'm like, we don't have anything to back this up. 613 00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:58,791 But no, no, no, no, no! 614 00:31:58,792 --> 00:32:00,374 You know, he--he was very adamant. 615 00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:05,207 He had it, he had it, and it backfired horribly. 616 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:10,291 Nikko's probably got a lot of props for having sex with her 617 00:32:10,292 --> 00:32:13,333 in the first place, but he wasn't a punchline. 618 00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:15,082 He wasn't a joke. 619 00:32:15,083 --> 00:32:18,083 People didn't make fun of him the way they made fun of her. 620 00:32:19,583 --> 00:32:21,166 It was the shower rod... 621 00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:23,000 that grabbed a lot of people's attention. 622 00:32:23,125 --> 00:32:24,916 Oh, the shower rod. 623 00:32:24,917 --> 00:32:26,666 - Shower rod. - Shower rod. 624 00:32:26,667 --> 00:32:28,957 So, there's a moment in the tape 625 00:32:28,958 --> 00:32:33,332 where Mimi is kinda balancing very impressively 626 00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:36,042 by holding onto a shower rod in the bathroom, 627 00:32:36,208 --> 00:32:38,791 and, um, Nikko London is, uh, 628 00:32:38,792 --> 00:32:42,499 servicing her very kindly on the bottom half of the shot. 629 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,832 And it's kind of a great shot, to be quite honest. 630 00:32:44,833 --> 00:32:47,332 It took the sex tape to a comedic place 631 00:32:47,333 --> 00:32:49,999 that I think that nobody really intended. 632 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,999 And then, because we have social media now, 633 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,458 now they're memes. 634 00:33:00,375 --> 00:33:02,500 It was everywhere. 635 00:33:02,667 --> 00:33:04,082 Everywhere. 636 00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:06,499 All you could do was laugh. You know? 637 00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,499 You got people imitating... 638 00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,583 ...scenes of it happening and, like, or putting-- 639 00:33:10,708 --> 00:33:13,999 you know, it just became like a running "SNL" skit. 640 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,499 I know that sales 641 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:19,083 of shower rods went up through the roof... 642 00:33:19,208 --> 00:33:22,499 after this sex tape. 643 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,207 They're like, "Oh, my God. 644 00:33:24,208 --> 00:33:25,874 You got shower rods in Home Depot." 645 00:33:25,875 --> 00:33:28,000 And I'm like, "No, I don't." 646 00:33:28,125 --> 00:33:29,499 Were they selling those shower curtains in Atlanta 647 00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,041 at Home Depot? They--They ran it-- 648 00:33:32,042 --> 00:33:33,832 Sold out. Everywhere sold out. 649 00:33:33,833 --> 00:33:36,166 I was like, I don't care. I don't care. Like, I don't... 650 00:33:36,167 --> 00:33:38,666 I just tried to just bury myself 651 00:33:38,667 --> 00:33:39,791 like it wasn't happening. 652 00:33:41,958 --> 00:33:43,791 I didn't know how to handle it. 653 00:33:46,167 --> 00:33:48,332 It's like, you know, someone you love, 654 00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:50,666 and they [bleep] up, they make a mistake, 655 00:33:50,667 --> 00:33:52,917 and the world clowns it, you can't even do anything. 656 00:33:53,042 --> 00:33:54,166 You just have to just take the "L" 657 00:33:54,167 --> 00:33:55,874 and just sail through the storm with her 658 00:33:55,875 --> 00:33:57,167 and just have her back and be like, 659 00:33:57,292 --> 00:33:58,707 "Look, it's gon' go away eventually." 660 00:33:58,708 --> 00:34:03,583 Generally, when people look at celebrity these days, 661 00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:06,249 more so than ever now with social media, 662 00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:08,832 they turn them into cartoon characters. 663 00:34:08,833 --> 00:34:11,249 They are not human beings. 664 00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,791 It's rare that a celebrity is able to break through 665 00:34:13,792 --> 00:34:16,707 and make an audience understand they're hurting a person. 666 00:34:16,708 --> 00:34:22,999 I would say a sex tape, it actually humanizes a bit, 667 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,707 but only in a way that keeps them 668 00:34:25,708 --> 00:34:29,832 a cartoon, a source of disdain 669 00:34:29,833 --> 00:34:31,667 and something that they can shame. 670 00:34:31,792 --> 00:34:35,082 That's why I just had to stay off the internet. 671 00:34:35,083 --> 00:34:38,250 People don't care what you're going through. 672 00:34:38,375 --> 00:34:40,249 Someone out there is gonna joke about it 673 00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:42,083 or make fun of it or whatever. 674 00:34:42,208 --> 00:34:46,332 So, you really, really have to have thick skin. 675 00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:48,041 Looking back, Mimi was a perfect candidate 676 00:34:48,042 --> 00:34:49,666 for something like this. 677 00:34:49,667 --> 00:34:51,624 And I think a lot of women that get in these positions, 678 00:34:51,625 --> 00:34:54,249 the backstories is usually the same. 679 00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:55,667 There's been trauma, 680 00:34:55,833 --> 00:34:57,916 and that's why they're so easily taken advantage of. 681 00:35:03,083 --> 00:35:05,416 I think when it comes to women of color, 682 00:35:05,417 --> 00:35:08,957 there is a different set of expectations around behavior, 683 00:35:08,958 --> 00:35:10,791 so just anything that could be seen 684 00:35:10,792 --> 00:35:13,457 as bad or negative or diva-like, 685 00:35:13,458 --> 00:35:16,457 you know, you're gonna be held to a higher standard. 686 00:35:16,458 --> 00:35:21,832 I find when a Black woman does something sexy or sexual, 687 00:35:21,833 --> 00:35:23,207 it's cheapened. 688 00:35:23,208 --> 00:35:25,499 It's deemed more slutty 689 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:29,832 or ghetto or hoochie mama, or she's a gold digger, 690 00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:31,666 she's trash, she's low class. 691 00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:35,124 Young Black girls have been sexualized since slavery, 692 00:35:35,125 --> 00:35:38,041 since they were forced to, you know, 693 00:35:38,042 --> 00:35:41,291 be raped by the--the slave owners. 694 00:35:41,292 --> 00:35:42,917 And I think some of these-- these--these things 695 00:35:43,042 --> 00:35:45,166 are kind of passed down in our DNA 696 00:35:45,167 --> 00:35:48,167 and then also how that we're viewed as well. 697 00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:51,417 It wasn't just her being berated for having her body exposed 698 00:35:51,542 --> 00:35:53,707 in the way that it was, or for her doing whatever 699 00:35:53,708 --> 00:35:55,167 she was doing in the video. 700 00:35:55,292 --> 00:35:57,457 A lot of people came at her for being a mom. 701 00:35:57,458 --> 00:36:03,249 At what point, Mimi, did you think about 702 00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:07,332 your daughter and the effect that this will have on her? 703 00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,166 The moment that I got the phone call. 704 00:36:10,167 --> 00:36:11,666 Again, this goes back to the way 705 00:36:11,667 --> 00:36:14,499 that women are often viewed in media and in Hollywood. 706 00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,207 They always have to answer for that specific question, 707 00:36:18,208 --> 00:36:20,791 even though nobody asked Nikko anything like that. 708 00:36:20,792 --> 00:36:22,791 Nobody even was really talking about Nikko after that. 709 00:36:22,792 --> 00:36:24,499 It was all Mimi. 710 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,542 And that's really unfortunate, because it takes two to tango. 711 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,832 A lot of people still think that women are supposed to be 712 00:36:38,833 --> 00:36:42,041 meek and mild and just a carrier for babies. 713 00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:46,624 Sex is everywhere. Sex is why we're here. 714 00:36:46,625 --> 00:36:48,166 So, it's like, why shouldn't women be able 715 00:36:48,167 --> 00:36:51,000 to embrace that side publicly 716 00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:53,541 without, you know, public castration? 717 00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:57,291 Social media has really given people a lot of courage 718 00:36:57,292 --> 00:37:01,332 who didn't have courage, honestly. 719 00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:04,666 it's so easy to be judgmental of all of us 720 00:37:04,667 --> 00:37:07,916 when you're home on your couch, but nine times out of 10, 721 00:37:07,917 --> 00:37:09,957 you'd probably react the same way, 722 00:37:09,958 --> 00:37:11,457 being put in the same situation. 723 00:37:12,625 --> 00:37:13,916 You can't read through hundreds of comments 724 00:37:13,917 --> 00:37:16,874 and see how much you suck or how old you look, 725 00:37:16,875 --> 00:37:19,624 or how much of a whore you are or you're broke 726 00:37:19,625 --> 00:37:20,875 and think that that's not gonna affect you. 727 00:37:21,042 --> 00:37:22,583 It gets on you. 728 00:37:22,708 --> 00:37:28,042 It was 2014, season three of "Love & Hip Hop" 729 00:37:28,167 --> 00:37:30,374 when the tape actually came out. 730 00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:33,666 The Mimi Faust thing I reported on 731 00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:36,166 because I watched "Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta," 732 00:37:36,167 --> 00:37:38,083 and I could not believe what I was seeing. 733 00:37:38,208 --> 00:37:39,541 The Mimi Faust stuff was, like, 734 00:37:39,542 --> 00:37:42,666 professional wrestling levels of chicanery. 735 00:37:42,667 --> 00:37:45,499 I mean, it was this whole thing where they--they lied 736 00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:47,583 about the release of this tape 737 00:37:47,708 --> 00:37:49,791 and not just profited directly from that, 738 00:37:49,792 --> 00:37:53,208 but made content for their show as a result of that. 739 00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:56,832 And then on the show, it's not even just one scene 740 00:37:56,833 --> 00:37:59,207 where it's like, "Oh, the sex tape was released." 741 00:37:59,208 --> 00:38:00,791 I mean, it's an arc. 742 00:38:00,792 --> 00:38:03,541 Where's your [bleep] integrity? Where are your morals? 743 00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:06,416 Where are your values as a [bleep] woman and as a mother? 744 00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:08,499 There's so many different scenes about this sex tape 745 00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,375 and how upset and people are fighting about it, 746 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,124 and blah, blah, blah. 747 00:38:12,125 --> 00:38:14,375 And then next season, she reveals that, 748 00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,166 no, it was actually all a setup, and who cares? Whatever. 749 00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:22,499 Just put yourself in my shoes. 750 00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:25,708 Just imagine if it were you, 751 00:38:25,875 --> 00:38:28,957 the same thing that you're saying about me, 752 00:38:28,958 --> 00:38:33,542 if it were you, imagine how you would feel times a thousand, 753 00:38:33,667 --> 00:38:36,957 because you're--they're not the only one saying slick stuff. 754 00:38:38,583 --> 00:38:41,749 I would get off of social media and be depressed. 755 00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:45,499 Literally, I'm in tears. I'm-- I feel bad about myself. 756 00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:47,332 I didn't have anybody to turn to. 757 00:38:47,333 --> 00:38:49,792 I didn't have anybody to really, you know, 758 00:38:49,917 --> 00:38:54,332 I didn't have a soundboard to-- to bounce things off of. 759 00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:59,124 Like, it was bad. It was bad. 760 00:38:59,125 --> 00:39:00,749 It was bad. 761 00:39:06,292 --> 00:39:09,582 Can I-I can be perfectly honest with you? 762 00:39:09,583 --> 00:39:14,416 I haven't dealt with a man since 2014 763 00:39:14,417 --> 00:39:16,832 when--when that situation-- 764 00:39:16,833 --> 00:39:18,916 it's like, I-- I've had girlfriends. 765 00:39:21,792 --> 00:39:27,541 It completely just turned me off from men so crazy 766 00:39:27,542 --> 00:39:29,582 that I didn't even want to-- I didn't-- 767 00:39:29,583 --> 00:39:33,666 my trust was so broken that 768 00:39:33,667 --> 00:39:35,666 I didn't wanna deal with a man again. 769 00:39:40,417 --> 00:39:42,791 She's not proud of the tape, 770 00:39:42,792 --> 00:39:44,666 and it's something that I know she's gonna use 771 00:39:44,667 --> 00:39:48,416 as a lesson to Eva about the choices we make, 772 00:39:48,417 --> 00:39:50,582 and I know she's gonna use that in a positive way 773 00:39:50,583 --> 00:39:52,749 with her daughter, you know? 774 00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:54,457 I know she is, because one thing about Mimi, 775 00:39:54,458 --> 00:39:57,791 you could say whatever you want about Mimi Faust. 776 00:39:57,792 --> 00:39:58,957 You cannot say that girl 777 00:39:58,958 --> 00:40:00,707 is not one of the best mothers out there. 778 00:40:00,708 --> 00:40:04,708 That's good. Use both your thumbs to crack it open. 779 00:40:07,708 --> 00:40:10,000 I don't want her to make the mistakes I made. 780 00:40:10,125 --> 00:40:13,499 And when I was growing up, I didn't have parental guidance. 781 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,666 I never really had... 782 00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:20,541 a parent to teach me right from wrong or to say, 783 00:40:20,542 --> 00:40:22,666 "This is how you do things. 784 00:40:22,667 --> 00:40:25,082 Don't do it like this. Do it like that. Respect it." 785 00:40:25,083 --> 00:40:26,832 I never had that. 786 00:40:26,833 --> 00:40:29,457 Everything that I went through, I had to do it 787 00:40:29,458 --> 00:40:31,791 and be like, "Oh, shh, that's not it" 788 00:40:31,792 --> 00:40:33,624 and--and figure it out after the-- 789 00:40:33,625 --> 00:40:36,374 after I bump my head, "Oh, God, okay, 790 00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:38,499 let me figure something else out." 791 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,042 That's been my whole life. 792 00:40:40,167 --> 00:40:45,583 And what's so ironic about this is because I have this tape, 793 00:40:45,708 --> 00:40:49,582 and she's gonna find out one day, like... 794 00:40:49,583 --> 00:40:54,082 Don't do as I do. Do as I say, because I have been there, 795 00:40:54,083 --> 00:40:57,166 and I don't want you to make the mistakes that I've made, 796 00:40:57,167 --> 00:40:59,832 and that's how I raise my daughter. 797 00:41:01,833 --> 00:41:05,499 If your boyfriend or whoever it is 798 00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:08,666 approaches you with, um, an opportunity-- 799 00:41:08,667 --> 00:41:10,874 I'm gonna use that for a lack of better words-- 800 00:41:10,875 --> 00:41:13,832 as such as, "Oh, yeah, let's film ourselves," 801 00:41:13,833 --> 00:41:19,332 don't ever do something that you cannot take back. 802 00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:22,833 Do I regret it? 803 00:41:22,958 --> 00:41:25,500 Yes, I do. 804 00:41:25,667 --> 00:41:29,791 If it feels wrong in your gut, in your heart of heart, 805 00:41:29,792 --> 00:41:31,457 don't do it. 806 00:41:31,458 --> 00:41:33,916 Follow your... 807 00:41:33,917 --> 00:41:37,041 Follow your intuition, everybody. Everybody. 808 00:41:41,542 --> 00:41:44,583 Are there no sex tapes after 2015? 809 00:41:45,542 --> 00:41:47,332 People, especially most young people, 810 00:41:47,333 --> 00:41:50,124 have a camera in their pocket at all times. 811 00:41:50,125 --> 00:41:55,332 It just basically made the entire world accessible, 812 00:41:55,333 --> 00:41:57,082 and, you know, people's sex lives. 813 00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:02,167 So, we've all taken pictures 814 00:42:02,292 --> 00:42:03,999 that we don't want people to see. 815 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,707 People trust the cloud. 816 00:42:05,708 --> 00:42:07,832 They trust that their phones are secure. 817 00:42:07,833 --> 00:42:11,624 This is just part of normal sex lives for people. 818 00:42:11,625 --> 00:42:13,166 Explicit photos of Lawrence 819 00:42:13,167 --> 00:42:15,374 went viral within minutes of being posted. 820 00:42:15,375 --> 00:42:18,832 They were upsetting in a way that other things hadn't. 821 00:42:18,833 --> 00:42:21,041 This has become sort of our new reality. 822 00:42:21,042 --> 00:42:23,500 And so consent was in the winds as an issue. 823 00:42:23,625 --> 00:42:25,332 Nude photos of celebrities. 824 00:42:25,333 --> 00:42:29,666 It wasn't a scandal. It was a sex crime. 825 00:42:29,667 --> 00:42:32,792 I think that quote shifted culture. 66214

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