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You probably know me
from "Love & Hip Hop,"
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but get ready for my story.
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How much time do you have?
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Mimi Faust, take one. Mark.
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First of all, let's be clear.
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I'm not a porn watcher.
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Like, in my real life,
I don't watch porn.
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So, for me to have a porn tape,
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how bizarre can my life
even get?
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It's like, what the [bleep]?
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Mimi Faust is a cast member
on "Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta."
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I'm talking
to the one and only Mimi Faust.
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Social media was just,
you know,
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becoming a really,
really big thing.
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So, not only am I dealing
with everyone watching,
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I'm now dealing
with everyone's opinion
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about what they're seeing.
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The criticism
that people experience
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on social media,
it really takes root.
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After I signed with Vivid,
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they're like, okay,
"We don't have our money shot.
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You need to go,
and we need our money shot."
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So, I'm like, what?
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Really, it was the shower rod.
Oh, the shower rod.
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Shower rod was a big takeaway
from that tape.
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And it happened so fast,
from them calling...
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...to me signing this contract,
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to it being signed,
sealed, and delivered
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was a matter of a few weeks.
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Vivid, you took advantage of her
and a lot of other people.
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I didn't know what I was doing.
I had no clue what I was doing.
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I am Mimi Faust.
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Most of you probably know me
from "Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta."
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"Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta"
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was a huge
pop culture phenomenon.
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It was one of the first shows
to get memes.
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It would have clips and gifs
circulating each week.
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People were tweeting about it.
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I'd say Mimi is one
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of the main stars
of "Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta."
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She's definitely an OG.
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I never aspired
to be an entertainer
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or on television
or anything like that.
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A friend of mine actually
texted me and said,
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"Hey, I'm casting for this show,
'Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta.'
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You should go out
for the casting."
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I auditioned
for "Love & Hip Hop" in 2011.
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Half of Atlanta is in the hotel.
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It was about 3,000 people in
the lobby, like a sea of people.
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But through this sea of people,
guess who I see.
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My daughter's father.
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So, I'm like, huh.
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So, I immediately
walk over to him,
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and we had an argument.
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This man cursed me out
every which way from Sunday.
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One of the producers saw us
and says, "Hey, come with me."
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Took us upstairs.
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We get up
to this conference room,
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and there's
all these executives there,
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and they sit us
in these chairs.
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They're like,
"So, tell us about yourselves."
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And when I tell you,
this man just got finished
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calling me everything
but a child of God, okay?
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Then he turns into a saint.
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He's like the sun,
the moon, and the stars.
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and when the planets align,
and I'm like, what?
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And--And I was so livid.
I was like, are you kidding me?
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I think Jesus took the wheel.
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And I said, "Do you wanna know
the problem?
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He doesn't know how
to come home at night,
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and when he does,
he smells like P-U-[bleeps]-Y"
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And at that moment,
everybody said...
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"Tell us more."
And--and that was all she wrote.
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They signed us immediately.
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"Love & Hip Hop"
is a show of beautiful,
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talented people,
people of color,
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that it's the day
in the life of each person.
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It is addicting.
There's fights.
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What you--
This bitch is shaking the table.
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- There's love.
- Hey, bae.
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There's a lot of drinking.
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I never knew throwing drinks
on people was so popular
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until reality television.
- [bleep]
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We, as a people,
are drawn to chaos.
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You know,
I think that that's why
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the craziest reality shows
do the best.
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I, with intention, refused,
adamantly,
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to watch that horse [bleep].
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I don't like the exploitation
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of the relationships
of Black men and women, period.
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Reality shows dabble
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in too many awful stereotypes
and predictable archetypes
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that, um...
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just make my balls hurt.
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The culture, when it comes
to entertainment in America,
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is trash.
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By the 2010s, America fully
belonged to the Internet.
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It's where we were spending
a lot of our time.
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The Internet moves
24 hours a day.
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You know,
we're constantly consuming
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celebrity gossip through it.
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Celebrities are now interacting
with us online via social media.
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We're the age of eh.
Nothing impresses us.
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That's what the 2010s are like.
Eh. We already seen that.
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We got 65 million things
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trying to divide our attention
all at once.
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So, now staying relevant
and sticking is real hard,
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and so people are willing
to do outlandish stuff
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just to be able to do it.
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I mean,
I guess if I summed it up,
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I'd say 2010s is
the age of clout chasing.
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It was a lot going on.
It was a lot going on.
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I just happened to be
in the limelight at that time.
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If you know Mimi
from reality television,
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you may know her
as someone that
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is always mad at someone, yelling.
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Why you talking about Stevie?
I'm my own bitch.
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But if you were in her shoes
in that situation,
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you probably
would be the same way.
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I was really labeled, um,
the angry Black woman a lot.
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"Oh, she's so angry,
or "She's--She's mean."
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Anytime a Black woman
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puts a little bit of bass
in her voice or, you know,
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is passionate about something,
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we're deemed aggressive,
ghetto, um, angry Black woman.
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You know how many times I've had
people come up to me and say,
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I was scared to approach you
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because I thought you were--
you were mean"?
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The Mimi that I know is--
has far more layers than that.
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She's so nice. She's so kind.
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So let's get into some
Mimi Faust. Mimi is my girl.
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We've been close friends
for years,
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and we are 25 years in.
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Listen, we've all been
through our traumas in life.
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She's been through more trauma
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than probably anybody
that I've known.
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She was basically a survivor
since she was 13 years old.
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I was put out at the age of 13.
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I didn't meet my dad
till I was 16.
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My mother was introduced
to Scientology
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by someone she was dating
and decided,
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"I'm--I'm going in."
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They wanted me to sign
a contract
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to work for the church,
and it was a billion years.
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And I'm like...
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hmm.
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No, I don't think
I wanna do that.
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I have a deadline,
gotta be out of here.
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And everything in me thought,
my mom's gonna stop this.
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She never said a word.
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I got nothing
but respect for someone
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that could get up off the floor
and get back up.
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You know, if you don't fix
what your childhood trauma is,
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you're gonna go through life
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kind of doing--
making the same mistakes
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and trying to fill those holes.
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And she's just picking
the wrong people
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or allowing the wrong people to
be in her life, like Stevie J.
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Stevie J--this is someone
she had a child with,
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someone she'd been with
for many years.
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It's one thing to be cheated on
in private,
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but to have it play out
in public,
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I can only imagine
how difficult that must be.
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The people watching it are
watching it for entertainment.
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So, then you tend to start
treating them as entertainment
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and that--not people whose lives
you're actually seeing.
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And so we're seeing this whole
dynamic, you know, play out,
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and for us, it's just like
weekly viewing, you know?
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For her, she's gotta live this
day in and day out
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and deal
with whatever is going to be
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the fallout
from this afterwards.
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I hate to say it.
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It's not like an uncommon
perception people have about,
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you know,
when women get cheated on.
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They feel like
somehow it's our fault.
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Somehow we had
to do something
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to drive this man to treat us
in this disrespectful way.
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And it's like, nah,
he just disrespectful.
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He got nothing to do with us.
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Oh, I was the dodo bird,
the doormat.
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You're stupid. You're dumb.
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Black women have so much weight
on their shoulders.
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We're not allowed to be too soft
because then we're weak.
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To constantly have to worry
about that
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on top of everything else,
how I'm making you feel
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if I express my emotions,
it's not right. It's not fair.
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It's thousands and thousands
and thousands
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of different entities
saying different things
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and having different opinions
and different views
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of what they think they know
about you and your situation,
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and they have no clue.
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People wanna say, oh, she makes
bad decisions in relationships.
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Who the [bleep] doesn't?
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Just hers is on television
for us to criticize.
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I do think that Mimi
did come to a point where
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she couldn't take any more.
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It's probably what caused her
to finally close the door
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on that romantic relationship.
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I was done. I was done, just...
just like that.
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Hallelujah. We were happy.
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Unfortunately,
I think that Mimi was used to
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that sort of romantic dynamic.
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She went from one traumatic
relationship to another.
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Mimi was at a low place
in her life when she met Nikko.
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Mimi Faust was in a relationship
with a man named Nikko,
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and the tape between them
had leaked,
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and it depicted them having sex,
but what actually happened was
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that they produced a sex tape
willfully and released it.
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I would have never
in a million years thought
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she would do a tape, but I
understand how she got there.
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No one wakes up and says,
"I wanna do a sex tape."
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It's like, this happened,
and that happened
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that led you here,
that made you vulnerable,
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that made you go
into a deep depression,
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that made some guy
seem like a god
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when he comes out of nowhere
and has your back
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and wants to spend
all this time with you.
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We haven't even gotten
to the good stuff.
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- I know.
- We, we're still rolling, yeah.
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Wow...
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Hey, let's talk about it.
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Yeah...
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Okay.
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Can you [bleep] leave?
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When Stevie and Mimi
broke up in front of the world,
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she was angry.
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Wanna [bleep] bitches, but you
never wanna handle the [bleep]
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after the fact.
- I'm not tryna argue with you.
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'Cause we have a daughter...
let me choose my words.
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We are currently trying to get
on the same page as co-parents.
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I'm gonna leave it there.
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The next person
that came along was Nikko.
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I ran into Nikko
years ago in New York
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after I was on "Love & Hip Hop."
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Then we started chopping it up,
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and then one thing
led to another.
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From season one,
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I was probably at the worst
possible moment in my life.
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The things
that I was dealing with,
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with my daughter's father and--
and the girl that he was with,
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just the backlash I got
from that...
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It was like getting shot
with, um...
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paint gun pellets.
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Bing, bing, bing,
bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
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You just get shot up. Shot up.
Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
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With no--
You don't have a shield.
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You have anywhere to hide.
You're just like, "Ahh!"
248
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And then you finally
have someone
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to kind of shield you from it.
250
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He was like a breath
of fresh air at the time,
251
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and I was like,
"You wanna do this with me,
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You know what I'm saying?"
And he was so down.
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I don't think
she saw it at the time,
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but in my opinion,
he swooped in.
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He saw an opportunity.
256
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I've seen Nikko around
the business for many years.
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He's always wanted to get down.
258
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Two weeks later,
he's living in Atlanta,
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and now he's
in a storyline on the show.
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Nikko, from what I can recall,
was, like, kinda smooth talker,
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charismatic,
bit of a ladies man.
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He was juxtapositioned
as her lover
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and just looked at
as, like, kind of smooth.
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Nikko on the show, I remember
I was rooting for them
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because I was just consistently
rooting for Mimi.
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I felt so bad, what she'd
been through with Stevie J.,
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so it seemed like she found
someone who made her happy,
268
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and that was good.
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Absolutely had warning signs.
Absolutely.
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Every time I would go
to this man's... place,
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he always had a camera
on a tripod
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facing the bed every time.
273
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However, Nikko did music,
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and I would see him
from time to time,
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you know, recording himself
doing his music.
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And I thought it was
a little odd, but I ignored it.
277
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So, one day he was like...
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"You know, when we make love,
it's like--it's like art.
279
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It's like art. You know,
we should--Let's--Let's--
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We should record it
so we can see it back.
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It's, like, magical."
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I had never, ever, ever
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recorded myself before.
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Why I decided to do it
with this... person,
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I don't know.
286
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Looking back,
Mimi was a perfect candidate
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for something like this,
288
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and I think a lot of women
that get in these positions,
289
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the backstories
is usually the same.
290
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There's been sexual abuse
or abandonment.
291
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So, I just need people to, like,
look at it differently,
292
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that someone
who's been victimized
293
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will continue to get victimized
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until they get
some kind of help, you know?
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I mean, the strong, happy,
confident Mimi I know now
296
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would never be able
to be put in that position now
297
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'cause she's seen--
she's seen the light now.
298
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But at the time,
look at the timeline.
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Struggle, gets pregnant,
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has a baby, gets abandoned,
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embarrassed
on national television.
302
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Another guy comes in,
swoops in that "saved the day."
303
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And the problem is
when you have two people
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where one person has--
has a pure heart,
305
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and they're thinking, "I'm doing
this for you or for us
306
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and I'm listening to you,"
and there's love there,
307
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and then you're on some...
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"Man, I'll just tell this bitch
whatever I gotta tell her
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to get what I need. I got this,"
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that's the most toxic,
dangerous combination.
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We recorded ourselves,
312
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and after that,
maybe a few days,
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few days later, he was like, um,
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"Yeah, you know, I got a--I got
a homeboy that--that--that,
315
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you know, is cool with the guy
at--at--at Vivid."
316
00:16:25,500 --> 00:16:34,416
The moment I said okay to,
"Let's see what they say,"
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that was it.
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And I call it
pushing the button.
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Once I pushed that button,
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there was no--there was no
getting any of it back.
321
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But unbeknownst to her,
322
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he was telling her
after he already tried to...
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pitch the tape to people.
324
00:16:54,708 --> 00:16:56,416
So, it was already out there,
325
00:16:56,417 --> 00:17:00,624
and he was putting the tape out
to the sleaziest of sites.
326
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So, it started to grow,
327
00:17:02,833 --> 00:17:06,791
and now she's
in a weird position where
328
00:17:06,792 --> 00:17:09,832
it's gonna get released
no matter what at this point.
329
00:17:09,833 --> 00:17:11,374
So, you can
either take control of it
330
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and sign on
with a company like Vivid
331
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or let the chips fall where
they may, and you get nothing,
332
00:17:16,667 --> 00:17:19,041
and you're still gonna
have your [bleep] out there.
333
00:17:21,875 --> 00:17:24,374
A week later,
Vivid ends up contacting me
334
00:17:24,375 --> 00:17:27,166
and calls me and says,
"Hey, we need to--we wanna--
335
00:17:27,167 --> 00:17:28,832
we wanna have
a face-to-face meeting.
336
00:17:28,833 --> 00:17:31,332
We're gonna fly
you guys to L.A."
337
00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:34,082
I didn't know!
I didn't know what I was doing.
338
00:17:34,083 --> 00:17:36,291
I honestly didn't know.
339
00:17:36,292 --> 00:17:40,124
By me saying, "Yeah, ask 'em,
you see what--what they say."
340
00:17:40,125 --> 00:17:41,708
I didn't know what that meant.
341
00:17:51,542 --> 00:17:54,125
Hell, yeah,
Vivid took advantage of Mimi.
342
00:18:03,875 --> 00:18:06,166
Do I know who Steven Hirsch is?
Yeah.
343
00:18:06,167 --> 00:18:07,916
He's a really good friend
of mine.
344
00:18:10,667 --> 00:18:12,332
I do.
345
00:18:12,333 --> 00:18:14,292
Yes.
346
00:18:16,708 --> 00:18:21,083
Hmm. Um... Oh, man.
347
00:18:21,208 --> 00:18:22,500
You know, I'm trying to be
348
00:18:22,625 --> 00:18:25,791
more... diplomatic
as I get older.
349
00:18:25,792 --> 00:18:29,167
Steven is tenacious.
350
00:18:29,292 --> 00:18:34,291
He was successful.
He was very good at what he did.
351
00:18:34,292 --> 00:18:36,374
Vivid Entertainment,
run by Steve Hirsch.
352
00:18:36,375 --> 00:18:41,582
Steve brokered the deal
with Kim Kardashian and Ray J
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00:18:41,583 --> 00:18:46,541
to be the only distributor
of the tape.
354
00:18:46,542 --> 00:18:48,957
Steve Hirsch, by the way,
went to my rival high school
355
00:18:48,958 --> 00:18:53,457
in Cleveland, Ohio, and I had
known Steve Hirsch for a minute.
356
00:18:53,458 --> 00:18:54,999
Porn basically originated
out of Cleveland, Ohio,
357
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,791
so a lot of the kids
I grew up with,
358
00:18:58,792 --> 00:19:00,749
their parents were what
359
00:19:00,750 --> 00:19:03,000
they would say were
in the "comic book business."
360
00:19:03,125 --> 00:19:05,124
But in actuality,
what that meant was
361
00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:06,957
they either owned
adult bookstores,
362
00:19:06,958 --> 00:19:08,832
or they owned the distributors
363
00:19:08,833 --> 00:19:11,874
that would supply the bookstores
with their novelties,
364
00:19:11,875 --> 00:19:13,999
sex toys, and magazines.
365
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,333
So, Steven came from that era.
366
00:19:16,458 --> 00:19:20,249
Steven had experience.
Porn kind of ran in the family.
367
00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:22,416
His father was also involved
in the business,
368
00:19:22,417 --> 00:19:24,708
and Vivid was founded in 1984.
369
00:19:29,083 --> 00:19:33,082
When he started Vivid, he just
built that company from scratch,
370
00:19:33,083 --> 00:19:35,291
from really nothing,
and just by getting
371
00:19:35,292 --> 00:19:36,791
the best girls he could get,
372
00:19:36,792 --> 00:19:40,207
and by signing those girls
to exclusive contracts.
373
00:19:40,208 --> 00:19:41,832
He was the first one to do that.
374
00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:45,499
He implemented the old Hollywood
contract star thing.
375
00:19:45,500 --> 00:19:47,207
That's why
he had the Vivid Girls,
376
00:19:47,208 --> 00:19:48,999
where he would sign
these girls to contracts.
377
00:19:51,500 --> 00:19:54,999
I introduced Steve Hirsch
to my contact at TMZ,
378
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,750
and before you knew it, he had
gotten into my contact's pocket.
379
00:19:58,875 --> 00:20:01,124
Whether it was flying him
out for the AVN Awards
380
00:20:01,125 --> 00:20:03,999
and setting him up
with, you know,
381
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,042
girls or money or whatever,
382
00:20:06,208 --> 00:20:08,500
he was able to ingratiate
himself into the fold
383
00:20:08,625 --> 00:20:10,749
where these guys all thought
he was the coolest guy ever
384
00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:12,541
'cause he was in porn.
385
00:20:12,542 --> 00:20:15,624
At one point, he loved having
his name in lights.
386
00:20:15,625 --> 00:20:18,500
Every week,
there was a Vivid story on TMZ,
387
00:20:18,625 --> 00:20:20,082
and he loved it, he loved it,
he loved it.
388
00:20:20,083 --> 00:20:22,499
Oh, he just loved to be
the big shot,
389
00:20:22,500 --> 00:20:25,666
and he loved when they would get
him a paparazzi, you know?
390
00:20:25,667 --> 00:20:28,332
He was dating Melissa Rivers
for, like, a week or whatever,
391
00:20:28,333 --> 00:20:30,291
and he got a taste of that life,
392
00:20:30,292 --> 00:20:32,832
and, oh, he loved it so much.
393
00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:35,207
He did a very good job
394
00:20:35,208 --> 00:20:37,708
of building this company,
Vivid Video,
395
00:20:37,833 --> 00:20:40,041
and turning it into something
that, uh,
396
00:20:40,042 --> 00:20:41,250
nobody had ever seen before.
397
00:20:41,375 --> 00:20:43,416
Well, you know,
for the last 30 years,
398
00:20:43,417 --> 00:20:45,499
for us, it's been all
about building the brand.
399
00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:47,250
Steve Hirsch at Vivid told me
400
00:20:47,375 --> 00:20:49,749
he was gonna change everything,
and he was right.
401
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:55,124
Vivid TV, Vivid.com,
Vivid Radio, Vivid Clubs.
402
00:20:55,125 --> 00:20:57,624
What I think was interesting
about him
403
00:20:57,625 --> 00:21:00,542
is he became kind of a conduit
404
00:21:00,708 --> 00:21:03,749
for people
with celebrity sex tapes
405
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:06,207
to know,
because of his track record,
406
00:21:06,208 --> 00:21:08,666
that if you had a sex tape,
407
00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:11,333
and you wanted
to release it publicly,
408
00:21:11,542 --> 00:21:13,374
you'd definitely go talk to him,
409
00:21:13,375 --> 00:21:17,541
because pay you money,
then market it for you--
410
00:21:17,542 --> 00:21:20,582
it was a win-win
from the standpoint of the star
411
00:21:20,583 --> 00:21:24,832
who wanted it out there,
and obviously he did very well.
412
00:21:24,833 --> 00:21:26,499
Vivid saw a market,
413
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:28,499
and they definitely
capitalized off of it.
414
00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:31,749
I was offered, like, um,
from Vivid Entertainment, like,
415
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:35,457
$200,000 if I would do one.
I said no.
416
00:21:35,458 --> 00:21:38,666
I am too lazy to be
on anybody's sex tape, okay?
417
00:21:38,667 --> 00:21:41,374
I am too lazy.
Vivid knows better not
418
00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:43,957
to even ring my phone
with that bull[bleep]. No.
419
00:21:43,958 --> 00:21:45,999
He does have, I hate to say it,
420
00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,708
but a very clear eye on the way
this industry works
421
00:21:48,833 --> 00:21:50,999
and what people
will wanna see and who
422
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,333
they'll wanna see doing it.
423
00:21:52,500 --> 00:21:54,041
You guys have always been known
424
00:21:54,042 --> 00:21:56,582
for your very high quality
adult entertainment, correct?
425
00:21:56,583 --> 00:21:58,791
I think he's a little bit
of a one-trick pony.
426
00:21:58,792 --> 00:22:00,957
I don't know
if Steven's going to be as
427
00:22:00,958 --> 00:22:02,749
successful doing anything else.
428
00:22:07,458 --> 00:22:09,791
We're having the meeting
about the tape.
429
00:22:09,792 --> 00:22:11,582
Steve is a businessman.
430
00:22:11,583 --> 00:22:15,042
He's very well dressed,
very clean, you know,
431
00:22:15,167 --> 00:22:16,499
very nice-looking gentleman,
432
00:22:16,500 --> 00:22:18,707
very articulate
about his business.
433
00:22:18,708 --> 00:22:22,874
And Marci Hirsch,
Steve Hirsch's sister, um,
434
00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:25,499
she was working
directly with him at the time.
435
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:28,291
She pulled me to the side,
and she says...
436
00:22:28,292 --> 00:22:30,875
"Your boyfriend is a dirtbag."
437
00:22:32,333 --> 00:22:33,832
And I was like...
438
00:22:33,833 --> 00:22:37,499
that was huge for me
'cause I knew he was a dirtbag.
439
00:22:37,500 --> 00:22:40,333
But for someone else
to actually confirm it
440
00:22:40,542 --> 00:22:44,874
and--and, like,
put this bug in my ear...
441
00:22:44,875 --> 00:22:48,416
She says, "Not only did
he give this tape to us,
442
00:22:48,417 --> 00:22:51,332
but he's been shopping
this tape around
443
00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:52,666
to--to everywhere,
444
00:22:52,667 --> 00:22:55,666
and if you don't sign with us,
it's your choice.
445
00:22:55,667 --> 00:22:57,208
You don't have to,
but if you don't,
446
00:22:57,333 --> 00:23:00,207
this tape will be
everywhere for free.
447
00:23:00,208 --> 00:23:03,207
This tape will be
all over everywhere,
448
00:23:03,208 --> 00:23:04,499
and there's nothing
you can do about it."
449
00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:07,999
I didn't know
he was shopping it around.
450
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:12,832
He said he was taking it
to a specific place to just see.
451
00:23:12,833 --> 00:23:17,999
I'm trusting him as
my boyfriend to secure us
452
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,457
and do--but, like, he--
he was on a whole different--
453
00:23:22,458 --> 00:23:27,582
his mindset was on a whole
different stratosphere
454
00:23:27,583 --> 00:23:29,625
from where I was
and what I was thinking.
455
00:23:33,167 --> 00:23:34,624
My name is Ian Halperin,
456
00:23:34,625 --> 00:23:36,208
number one "New York Times"
Best Selling author.
457
00:23:38,292 --> 00:23:42,291
I wanted to go undercover
to find out
458
00:23:42,292 --> 00:23:48,791
the intricate details of selling
and distributing a sex tape.
459
00:23:48,792 --> 00:23:53,957
I was at Vivid, and I posed
as a sex tape peddler,
460
00:23:53,958 --> 00:23:59,541
and I put a spin that I had
a famous, well-known supermodel
461
00:23:59,542 --> 00:24:03,457
with the world's top
basketball star, LeBron.
462
00:24:03,458 --> 00:24:06,041
And by doing it this way,
463
00:24:06,042 --> 00:24:10,375
I was able to get
through to Vivid's publicist.
464
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,916
And the one thing
I learned from this was
465
00:24:12,917 --> 00:24:17,000
you could not release
a sex tape professionally
466
00:24:17,208 --> 00:24:20,042
without mutual consent.
467
00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:25,457
There were a lot of
innocent people who were naive,
468
00:24:25,458 --> 00:24:28,166
and they were forced
to sign contracts
469
00:24:28,167 --> 00:24:33,083
they were uncomfortable with
and later regretted it.
470
00:24:35,042 --> 00:24:37,791
My name is Shawn Holley.
I am a trial lawyer.
471
00:24:37,792 --> 00:24:41,707
I'm here to help answer
questions about celebrities
472
00:24:41,708 --> 00:24:44,750
and sex tapes
and all that sort of thing.
473
00:24:44,875 --> 00:24:47,666
Strong-armed tactics
are being used in the room.
474
00:24:47,667 --> 00:24:49,499
Well, this person
should never have come
475
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:51,499
to that meeting
without a lawyer.
476
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:54,749
You can't possibly have
any sort of legal agreement
477
00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:57,791
that dictates what's gonna
happen with a tape
478
00:24:57,792 --> 00:25:02,749
that you are the subject star of
479
00:25:02,750 --> 00:25:06,166
and not have some say-so
as to what the terms of--
480
00:25:06,167 --> 00:25:07,582
it's just, that can't be.
481
00:25:07,583 --> 00:25:09,916
You know,
the fact that everything
482
00:25:09,917 --> 00:25:12,374
was done
at such an accelerated pace,
483
00:25:12,375 --> 00:25:16,124
if Mimi took an hour to go
make a phone call to call me,
484
00:25:16,125 --> 00:25:19,041
a lawyer friend, or someone else
that's been in this position,
485
00:25:19,042 --> 00:25:21,082
she'd have been advised
not to do this deal.
486
00:25:21,083 --> 00:25:25,832
I had no idea, um, what was
going to be transpired
487
00:25:25,833 --> 00:25:27,916
during that meeting that day,
488
00:25:27,917 --> 00:25:30,999
so I did not have
a lawyer present.
489
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,541
Ah, absolutely!
490
00:25:33,542 --> 00:25:34,957
Hindsight, 20/20--
491
00:25:34,958 --> 00:25:37,499
I would have had
50 lawyers there.
492
00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:39,291
'Cause if he didn't make
the right decision,
493
00:25:39,292 --> 00:25:40,624
the next one would.
494
00:25:40,625 --> 00:25:42,499
You never
have to sign a contract
495
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:43,957
the moment
it's presented to you.
496
00:25:43,958 --> 00:25:45,625
You should always get
at least 24 hours
497
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:48,916
to take it back home and look at
it and have a lawyer look at it.
498
00:25:48,917 --> 00:25:51,832
You have to get 24 hours
to get a lawyer present.
499
00:25:51,833 --> 00:25:54,832
You have to do
whatever you have to do
500
00:25:54,833 --> 00:25:56,999
to get out of that room
and buy some more time
501
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,791
to, at the very least,
consult with a lawyer.
502
00:25:59,792 --> 00:26:03,999
It's easy to say,
"Just don't sign it and go,"
503
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,791
you know what I mean? But if
the person is about to push,
504
00:26:05,792 --> 00:26:08,957
like, send out to the world
this video, you know what mean?
505
00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:15,749
Like, that's not necessarily
a practical thing to do.
506
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:18,666
I didn't know exactly
what was going on,
507
00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:20,250
to be perfectly honest with you.
508
00:26:22,125 --> 00:26:23,541
Vivid,
you took advantage of her
509
00:26:23,542 --> 00:26:24,542
and a lot of other people.
510
00:26:24,667 --> 00:26:26,083
So messed up.
511
00:26:35,958 --> 00:26:39,874
We are able to structure
the deal that we wanted,
512
00:26:39,875 --> 00:26:43,417
and so I didn't go
for upfront payment.
513
00:26:43,542 --> 00:26:45,500
I went for a lifetime payment,
514
00:26:45,625 --> 00:26:48,291
since it's going to be
out there for the lifetime.
515
00:26:48,292 --> 00:26:52,999
Whenever anyone downloads it
around the world,
516
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,167
I will get residual income
from it.
517
00:26:55,292 --> 00:26:57,999
That's the deal that I opted--
I opted to make
518
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,249
instead of just getting, like,
an upfront situation from it.
519
00:27:01,250 --> 00:27:03,542
Vivid got their cut,
520
00:27:03,667 --> 00:27:05,957
and then we got our cut
that we had to split,
521
00:27:05,958 --> 00:27:11,000
which was... not that great,
but it is what it is.
522
00:27:12,625 --> 00:27:15,624
Um, hindsight 20/20--no.
523
00:27:15,625 --> 00:27:18,832
Hell, yeah,
Vivid took advantage of Mimi.
524
00:27:18,833 --> 00:27:21,874
To tell someone, "Hey, listen,
525
00:27:21,875 --> 00:27:23,832
it's gonna come out
no matter what."
526
00:27:23,833 --> 00:27:27,291
I-I think that's
even, like... fake news.
527
00:27:27,292 --> 00:27:28,832
But if you don't know the law,
528
00:27:28,833 --> 00:27:30,249
or you don't know how
this world works,
529
00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:32,749
she said she had to make
a decision on the spot.
530
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:35,917
She was pressured,
and so she just did it.
531
00:27:36,042 --> 00:27:38,124
And they should be
ashamed of themselves.
532
00:27:38,125 --> 00:27:40,375
I signed, right?
533
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:42,999
Immediately after I signed,
534
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,999
they're like, "Okay,
we don't have our money shot."
535
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,541
You need to go to the hotel,
and we need our money shot."
536
00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:52,124
So, I'm like, what?
537
00:27:52,125 --> 00:27:53,833
I thought whatever
he gave you was--
538
00:27:53,958 --> 00:27:56,750
that was it,
and he signed off on it.
539
00:27:56,875 --> 00:27:58,166
They were like, "No, no,
540
00:27:58,167 --> 00:28:01,124
it needs to be a certain amount
of minutes long,
541
00:28:01,125 --> 00:28:03,082
and we only have
this amount of minutes,
542
00:28:03,083 --> 00:28:04,832
and we don't have
our money shot."
543
00:28:04,833 --> 00:28:08,083
I'm like, what? What?
544
00:28:11,708 --> 00:28:14,292
So, we got whisked to a hotel.
They were like,
545
00:28:14,417 --> 00:28:16,999
"Do you want a man
or a woman camera person?"
546
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,582
So, I'm like,
"Female, please. Please."
547
00:28:20,583 --> 00:28:23,833
A contract could be void
if it has
548
00:28:23,958 --> 00:28:25,791
terms in it
that are unconscionable.
549
00:28:25,792 --> 00:28:29,542
So, if it said, "You have
to sign this right now or else,"
550
00:28:29,667 --> 00:28:32,374
those terms would be
so unconscionable
551
00:28:32,375 --> 00:28:36,041
that the contract itself
could be voided, but again,
552
00:28:36,042 --> 00:28:38,458
back to our starting premise
of what is your objective,
553
00:28:38,583 --> 00:28:40,374
and your objective
is to stop it,
554
00:28:40,375 --> 00:28:42,042
and it can't be stopped,
555
00:28:42,167 --> 00:28:44,457
so now either, you know,
you can't beat 'em, join 'em,
556
00:28:44,458 --> 00:28:48,707
then it might make the most
sense to do what you gotta do.
557
00:28:48,708 --> 00:28:50,249
So, she's like, "Once I'm there,
558
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:52,624
I just had to, like, just go--
go--go there and do it."
559
00:28:52,625 --> 00:28:54,332
It was horrible.
560
00:28:54,333 --> 00:28:57,707
I-I'm gonna say that it would--
it took forever.
561
00:28:57,708 --> 00:29:00,499
Mimi told me that it was
really uncomfortable,
562
00:29:00,500 --> 00:29:04,999
and it took hours,
563
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,833
because they had
to resort to him
564
00:29:07,958 --> 00:29:09,750
messing with the camerawoman,
565
00:29:09,875 --> 00:29:13,791
which sounds like
the most disgusting scene ever.
566
00:29:13,792 --> 00:29:15,082
And she had to watch her man,
567
00:29:15,083 --> 00:29:16,499
who she had feelings for
at the time--
568
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:20,499
this is her boyfriend--
um... do that.
569
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:24,249
And, you know, she said
they had to get the money shot,
570
00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:26,874
the money shot, the money shot,
or they didn't have a tape.
571
00:29:26,875 --> 00:29:28,332
So, she felt pressured to do it.
572
00:29:30,458 --> 00:29:36,666
The entire situation was
awkward from start to finish,
573
00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:42,499
was completely awkward,
all of it.
574
00:29:42,500 --> 00:29:44,832
It was business for them. It was
nothing personal for them.
575
00:29:44,833 --> 00:29:47,000
It was all personal for me.
576
00:29:51,417 --> 00:29:54,707
This is how we got
to the whole shower thing.
577
00:29:54,708 --> 00:29:58,375
I was over it. Like... over it.
578
00:29:58,542 --> 00:30:01,124
And I'm like, "[bleep] this.
I'm gonna go take a shower.
579
00:30:01,125 --> 00:30:03,666
I'm hot, I'm sweaty, I'm tired.
580
00:30:03,667 --> 00:30:07,916
You're not producing, sir,
for this money shot,
581
00:30:07,917 --> 00:30:08,916
and I'm--
I need to go take a shower."
582
00:30:08,917 --> 00:30:11,332
Like, I--like, whatever.
583
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,916
I got up, dismissed myself
from the situation,
584
00:30:15,917 --> 00:30:17,457
and I went to go take a shower.
585
00:30:17,458 --> 00:30:19,457
He follows me
into the bathroom,
586
00:30:19,458 --> 00:30:22,167
and that's where the whole
shower scene came from.
587
00:30:24,250 --> 00:30:28,791
But again,
I wasn't a porn watcher.
588
00:30:28,792 --> 00:30:30,499
I didn't know
that what this brought in.
589
00:30:30,500 --> 00:30:32,249
I didn't know anything.
590
00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:35,041
When I say green,
I didn't know any--
591
00:30:35,042 --> 00:30:37,708
And it happened so fast.
592
00:30:37,833 --> 00:30:42,082
From him saying, I'm gonna
see what it can do,
593
00:30:42,083 --> 00:30:47,166
to a-a-a week later,
Vivid saying, "Fly to L.A."
594
00:30:47,167 --> 00:30:48,999
to me signing this contract,
595
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,041
to it being
signed, sealed, and delivered,
596
00:30:53,042 --> 00:30:56,957
it was a matter of a few weeks.
597
00:30:56,958 --> 00:30:58,832
No, I didn't know
what I was doing.
598
00:30:58,833 --> 00:31:01,333
I had no clue
what I was doing. None.
599
00:31:05,333 --> 00:31:08,291
I'm thinking, what's gonna
happen when it does come out?
600
00:31:08,292 --> 00:31:10,542
What am I gonna say?
What am I gonna do?
601
00:31:10,667 --> 00:31:13,416
I didn't know how to handle it.
602
00:31:13,417 --> 00:31:17,166
I just tried to just bury myself
like it wasn't happening.
603
00:31:17,167 --> 00:31:20,333
It's rare that a celebrity is
able to break through
604
00:31:20,458 --> 00:31:22,957
and make an audience understand
they're hurting a person.
605
00:31:22,958 --> 00:31:25,375
And it backfired horribly.
606
00:31:33,792 --> 00:31:37,582
The tape broke the internet.
607
00:31:37,583 --> 00:31:43,207
The tape did better than
any tape Vivid... ever put out.
608
00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:48,167
So, it was Nikko's idea
to come up with
609
00:31:48,333 --> 00:31:49,999
we went on vacation,
and the tape
610
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,833
was taken out of our bag,
611
00:31:51,958 --> 00:31:54,082
and I wanted nothing
to do with it.
612
00:31:54,083 --> 00:31:57,374
I'm like, we don't
have anything to back this up.
613
00:31:57,375 --> 00:31:58,791
But no, no, no, no, no!
614
00:31:58,792 --> 00:32:00,374
You know,
he--he was very adamant.
615
00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:05,207
He had it, he had it,
and it backfired horribly.
616
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:10,291
Nikko's probably got a lot of
props for having sex with her
617
00:32:10,292 --> 00:32:13,333
in the first place,
but he wasn't a punchline.
618
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:15,082
He wasn't a joke.
619
00:32:15,083 --> 00:32:18,083
People didn't make fun of him
the way they made fun of her.
620
00:32:19,583 --> 00:32:21,166
It was the shower rod...
621
00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:23,000
that grabbed a lot
of people's attention.
622
00:32:23,125 --> 00:32:24,916
Oh, the shower rod.
623
00:32:24,917 --> 00:32:26,666
- Shower rod.
- Shower rod.
624
00:32:26,667 --> 00:32:28,957
So, there's a moment in the tape
625
00:32:28,958 --> 00:32:33,332
where Mimi is kinda balancing
very impressively
626
00:32:33,333 --> 00:32:36,042
by holding onto a shower rod
in the bathroom,
627
00:32:36,208 --> 00:32:38,791
and, um, Nikko London is, uh,
628
00:32:38,792 --> 00:32:42,499
servicing her very kindly
on the bottom half of the shot.
629
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,832
And it's kind of a great shot,
to be quite honest.
630
00:32:44,833 --> 00:32:47,332
It took the sex tape
to a comedic place
631
00:32:47,333 --> 00:32:49,999
that I think
that nobody really intended.
632
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,999
And then, because we have
social media now,
633
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,458
now they're memes.
634
00:33:00,375 --> 00:33:02,500
It was everywhere.
635
00:33:02,667 --> 00:33:04,082
Everywhere.
636
00:33:04,083 --> 00:33:06,499
All you could do was laugh.
You know?
637
00:33:06,500 --> 00:33:08,499
You got people imitating...
638
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:10,583
...scenes of it happening
and, like, or putting--
639
00:33:10,708 --> 00:33:13,999
you know, it just became
like a running "SNL" skit.
640
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,499
I know that sales
641
00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:19,083
of shower rods went up
through the roof...
642
00:33:19,208 --> 00:33:22,499
after this sex tape.
643
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:24,207
They're like, "Oh, my God.
644
00:33:24,208 --> 00:33:25,874
You got shower rods
in Home Depot."
645
00:33:25,875 --> 00:33:28,000
And I'm like, "No, I don't."
646
00:33:28,125 --> 00:33:29,499
Were they selling
those shower curtains in Atlanta
647
00:33:29,500 --> 00:33:32,041
at Home Depot?
They--They ran it--
648
00:33:32,042 --> 00:33:33,832
Sold out. Everywhere sold out.
649
00:33:33,833 --> 00:33:36,166
I was like, I don't care.
I don't care. Like, I don't...
650
00:33:36,167 --> 00:33:38,666
I just tried
to just bury myself
651
00:33:38,667 --> 00:33:39,791
like it wasn't happening.
652
00:33:41,958 --> 00:33:43,791
I didn't know how to handle it.
653
00:33:46,167 --> 00:33:48,332
It's like, you know,
someone you love,
654
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:50,666
and they [bleep] up,
they make a mistake,
655
00:33:50,667 --> 00:33:52,917
and the world clowns it,
you can't even do anything.
656
00:33:53,042 --> 00:33:54,166
You just have
to just take the "L"
657
00:33:54,167 --> 00:33:55,874
and just sail
through the storm with her
658
00:33:55,875 --> 00:33:57,167
and just have her back
and be like,
659
00:33:57,292 --> 00:33:58,707
"Look, it's gon' go away
eventually."
660
00:33:58,708 --> 00:34:03,583
Generally, when people
look at celebrity these days,
661
00:34:03,708 --> 00:34:06,249
more so than ever
now with social media,
662
00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:08,832
they turn them
into cartoon characters.
663
00:34:08,833 --> 00:34:11,249
They are not human beings.
664
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:13,791
It's rare that a celebrity
is able to break through
665
00:34:13,792 --> 00:34:16,707
and make an audience understand
they're hurting a person.
666
00:34:16,708 --> 00:34:22,999
I would say a sex tape,
it actually humanizes a bit,
667
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,707
but only in a way
that keeps them
668
00:34:25,708 --> 00:34:29,832
a cartoon, a source of disdain
669
00:34:29,833 --> 00:34:31,667
and something
that they can shame.
670
00:34:31,792 --> 00:34:35,082
That's why I just had
to stay off the internet.
671
00:34:35,083 --> 00:34:38,250
People don't care
what you're going through.
672
00:34:38,375 --> 00:34:40,249
Someone out there
is gonna joke about it
673
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:42,083
or make fun of it or whatever.
674
00:34:42,208 --> 00:34:46,332
So, you really, really have
to have thick skin.
675
00:34:46,333 --> 00:34:48,041
Looking back,
Mimi was a perfect candidate
676
00:34:48,042 --> 00:34:49,666
for something like this.
677
00:34:49,667 --> 00:34:51,624
And I think a lot of women
that get in these positions,
678
00:34:51,625 --> 00:34:54,249
the backstories
is usually the same.
679
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:55,667
There's been trauma,
680
00:34:55,833 --> 00:34:57,916
and that's why they're so easily
taken advantage of.
681
00:35:03,083 --> 00:35:05,416
I think when
it comes to women of color,
682
00:35:05,417 --> 00:35:08,957
there is a different set
of expectations around behavior,
683
00:35:08,958 --> 00:35:10,791
so just anything
that could be seen
684
00:35:10,792 --> 00:35:13,457
as bad or negative or diva-like,
685
00:35:13,458 --> 00:35:16,457
you know, you're gonna be held
to a higher standard.
686
00:35:16,458 --> 00:35:21,832
I find when a Black woman
does something sexy or sexual,
687
00:35:21,833 --> 00:35:23,207
it's cheapened.
688
00:35:23,208 --> 00:35:25,499
It's deemed more slutty
689
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:29,832
or ghetto or hoochie mama,
or she's a gold digger,
690
00:35:29,833 --> 00:35:31,666
she's trash, she's low class.
691
00:35:31,667 --> 00:35:35,124
Young Black girls have been
sexualized since slavery,
692
00:35:35,125 --> 00:35:38,041
since they were forced to,
you know,
693
00:35:38,042 --> 00:35:41,291
be raped
by the--the slave owners.
694
00:35:41,292 --> 00:35:42,917
And I think some of these--
these--these things
695
00:35:43,042 --> 00:35:45,166
are kind of passed down
in our DNA
696
00:35:45,167 --> 00:35:48,167
and then also how
that we're viewed as well.
697
00:35:48,333 --> 00:35:51,417
It wasn't just her being berated
for having her body exposed
698
00:35:51,542 --> 00:35:53,707
in the way that it was,
or for her doing whatever
699
00:35:53,708 --> 00:35:55,167
she was doing in the video.
700
00:35:55,292 --> 00:35:57,457
A lot of people came at her
for being a mom.
701
00:35:57,458 --> 00:36:03,249
At what point, Mimi,
did you think about
702
00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:07,332
your daughter and the effect
that this will have on her?
703
00:36:07,333 --> 00:36:10,166
The moment
that I got the phone call.
704
00:36:10,167 --> 00:36:11,666
Again, this goes back to the way
705
00:36:11,667 --> 00:36:14,499
that women are often viewed
in media and in Hollywood.
706
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:18,207
They always have to answer
for that specific question,
707
00:36:18,208 --> 00:36:20,791
even though nobody asked Nikko
anything like that.
708
00:36:20,792 --> 00:36:22,791
Nobody even was really
talking about Nikko after that.
709
00:36:22,792 --> 00:36:24,499
It was all Mimi.
710
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:28,542
And that's really unfortunate,
because it takes two to tango.
711
00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,832
A lot of people still think
that women are supposed to be
712
00:36:38,833 --> 00:36:42,041
meek and mild
and just a carrier for babies.
713
00:36:44,250 --> 00:36:46,624
Sex is everywhere.
Sex is why we're here.
714
00:36:46,625 --> 00:36:48,166
So, it's like,
why shouldn't women be able
715
00:36:48,167 --> 00:36:51,000
to embrace that side publicly
716
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:53,541
without, you know,
public castration?
717
00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:57,291
Social media has really
given people a lot of courage
718
00:36:57,292 --> 00:37:01,332
who didn't have courage, honestly.
719
00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:04,666
it's so easy to be judgmental
of all of us
720
00:37:04,667 --> 00:37:07,916
when you're home on your couch,
but nine times out of 10,
721
00:37:07,917 --> 00:37:09,957
you'd probably
react the same way,
722
00:37:09,958 --> 00:37:11,457
being put in the same situation.
723
00:37:12,625 --> 00:37:13,916
You can't read
through hundreds of comments
724
00:37:13,917 --> 00:37:16,874
and see how much you suck
or how old you look,
725
00:37:16,875 --> 00:37:19,624
or how much of a whore you are
or you're broke
726
00:37:19,625 --> 00:37:20,875
and think that
that's not gonna affect you.
727
00:37:21,042 --> 00:37:22,583
It gets on you.
728
00:37:22,708 --> 00:37:28,042
It was 2014,
season three of "Love & Hip Hop"
729
00:37:28,167 --> 00:37:30,374
when the tape actually came out.
730
00:37:30,375 --> 00:37:33,666
The Mimi Faust thing
I reported on
731
00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:36,166
because I watched
"Love & Hip Hop: Atlanta,"
732
00:37:36,167 --> 00:37:38,083
and I could not believe
what I was seeing.
733
00:37:38,208 --> 00:37:39,541
The Mimi Faust stuff was, like,
734
00:37:39,542 --> 00:37:42,666
professional wrestling levels
of chicanery.
735
00:37:42,667 --> 00:37:45,499
I mean, it was this whole thing
where they--they lied
736
00:37:45,500 --> 00:37:47,583
about the release of this tape
737
00:37:47,708 --> 00:37:49,791
and not just profited
directly from that,
738
00:37:49,792 --> 00:37:53,208
but made content for their show
as a result of that.
739
00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:56,832
And then on the show,
it's not even just one scene
740
00:37:56,833 --> 00:37:59,207
where it's like,
"Oh, the sex tape was released."
741
00:37:59,208 --> 00:38:00,791
I mean, it's an arc.
742
00:38:00,792 --> 00:38:03,541
Where's your [bleep] integrity?
Where are your morals?
743
00:38:03,542 --> 00:38:06,416
Where are your values as
a [bleep] woman and as a mother?
744
00:38:06,417 --> 00:38:08,499
There's so many different scenes
about this sex tape
745
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,375
and how upset and people
are fighting about it,
746
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,124
and blah, blah, blah.
747
00:38:12,125 --> 00:38:14,375
And then next season,
she reveals that,
748
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:17,166
no, it was actually all a setup,
and who cares? Whatever.
749
00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:22,499
Just put yourself in my shoes.
750
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:25,708
Just imagine if it were you,
751
00:38:25,875 --> 00:38:28,957
the same thing
that you're saying about me,
752
00:38:28,958 --> 00:38:33,542
if it were you, imagine how
you would feel times a thousand,
753
00:38:33,667 --> 00:38:36,957
because you're--they're not
the only one saying slick stuff.
754
00:38:38,583 --> 00:38:41,749
I would get off of
social media and be depressed.
755
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:45,499
Literally, I'm in tears. I'm--
I feel bad about myself.
756
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:47,332
I didn't have
anybody to turn to.
757
00:38:47,333 --> 00:38:49,792
I didn't have anybody
to really, you know,
758
00:38:49,917 --> 00:38:54,332
I didn't have a soundboard to--
to bounce things off of.
759
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:59,124
Like, it was bad. It was bad.
760
00:38:59,125 --> 00:39:00,749
It was bad.
761
00:39:06,292 --> 00:39:09,582
Can I-I can be
perfectly honest with you?
762
00:39:09,583 --> 00:39:14,416
I haven't dealt with a man
since 2014
763
00:39:14,417 --> 00:39:16,832
when--when that situation--
764
00:39:16,833 --> 00:39:18,916
it's like, I--
I've had girlfriends.
765
00:39:21,792 --> 00:39:27,541
It completely just turned me off
from men so crazy
766
00:39:27,542 --> 00:39:29,582
that I didn't even want to--
I didn't--
767
00:39:29,583 --> 00:39:33,666
my trust was so broken that
768
00:39:33,667 --> 00:39:35,666
I didn't wanna deal
with a man again.
769
00:39:40,417 --> 00:39:42,791
She's not proud of the tape,
770
00:39:42,792 --> 00:39:44,666
and it's something
that I know she's gonna use
771
00:39:44,667 --> 00:39:48,416
as a lesson to Eva
about the choices we make,
772
00:39:48,417 --> 00:39:50,582
and I know she's gonna
use that in a positive way
773
00:39:50,583 --> 00:39:52,749
with her daughter, you know?
774
00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:54,457
I know she is,
because one thing about Mimi,
775
00:39:54,458 --> 00:39:57,791
you could say whatever you want
about Mimi Faust.
776
00:39:57,792 --> 00:39:58,957
You cannot say that girl
777
00:39:58,958 --> 00:40:00,707
is not one of the best mothers
out there.
778
00:40:00,708 --> 00:40:04,708
That's good. Use both
your thumbs to crack it open.
779
00:40:07,708 --> 00:40:10,000
I don't want her
to make the mistakes I made.
780
00:40:10,125 --> 00:40:13,499
And when I was growing up,
I didn't have parental guidance.
781
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:16,666
I never really had...
782
00:40:16,667 --> 00:40:20,541
a parent to teach me
right from wrong or to say,
783
00:40:20,542 --> 00:40:22,666
"This is how you do things.
784
00:40:22,667 --> 00:40:25,082
Don't do it like this.
Do it like that. Respect it."
785
00:40:25,083 --> 00:40:26,832
I never had that.
786
00:40:26,833 --> 00:40:29,457
Everything that I went through,
I had to do it
787
00:40:29,458 --> 00:40:31,791
and be like,
"Oh, shh, that's not it"
788
00:40:31,792 --> 00:40:33,624
and--and figure it out
after the--
789
00:40:33,625 --> 00:40:36,374
after I bump my head,
"Oh, God, okay,
790
00:40:36,375 --> 00:40:38,499
let me figure
something else out."
791
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:40,042
That's been my whole life.
792
00:40:40,167 --> 00:40:45,583
And what's so ironic about this
is because I have this tape,
793
00:40:45,708 --> 00:40:49,582
and she's gonna find out
one day, like...
794
00:40:49,583 --> 00:40:54,082
Don't do as I do. Do as I say,
because I have been there,
795
00:40:54,083 --> 00:40:57,166
and I don't want you to make
the mistakes that I've made,
796
00:40:57,167 --> 00:40:59,832
and that's how
I raise my daughter.
797
00:41:01,833 --> 00:41:05,499
If your boyfriend
or whoever it is
798
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:08,666
approaches you
with, um, an opportunity--
799
00:41:08,667 --> 00:41:10,874
I'm gonna use that
for a lack of better words--
800
00:41:10,875 --> 00:41:13,832
as such as, "Oh, yeah,
let's film ourselves,"
801
00:41:13,833 --> 00:41:19,332
don't ever do something
that you cannot take back.
802
00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:22,833
Do I regret it?
803
00:41:22,958 --> 00:41:25,500
Yes, I do.
804
00:41:25,667 --> 00:41:29,791
If it feels wrong in your gut,
in your heart of heart,
805
00:41:29,792 --> 00:41:31,457
don't do it.
806
00:41:31,458 --> 00:41:33,916
Follow your...
807
00:41:33,917 --> 00:41:37,041
Follow your intuition,
everybody. Everybody.
808
00:41:41,542 --> 00:41:44,583
Are there no sex tapes
after 2015?
809
00:41:45,542 --> 00:41:47,332
People,
especially most young people,
810
00:41:47,333 --> 00:41:50,124
have a camera in their pocket
at all times.
811
00:41:50,125 --> 00:41:55,332
It just basically made
the entire world accessible,
812
00:41:55,333 --> 00:41:57,082
and, you know,
people's sex lives.
813
00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:02,167
So, we've all taken pictures
814
00:42:02,292 --> 00:42:03,999
that we don't
want people to see.
815
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,707
People trust the cloud.
816
00:42:05,708 --> 00:42:07,832
They trust
that their phones are secure.
817
00:42:07,833 --> 00:42:11,624
This is just part of
normal sex lives for people.
818
00:42:11,625 --> 00:42:13,166
Explicit photos of Lawrence
819
00:42:13,167 --> 00:42:15,374
went viral within minutes
of being posted.
820
00:42:15,375 --> 00:42:18,832
They were upsetting in
a way that other things hadn't.
821
00:42:18,833 --> 00:42:21,041
This has become sort of
our new reality.
822
00:42:21,042 --> 00:42:23,500
And so consent was
in the winds as an issue.
823
00:42:23,625 --> 00:42:25,332
Nude photos of celebrities.
824
00:42:25,333 --> 00:42:29,666
It wasn't a scandal.
It was a sex crime.
825
00:42:29,667 --> 00:42:32,792
I think
that quote shifted culture.
66214
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