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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 2 00:00:29,112 --> 00:00:31,603 So this is the 300. 3 00:00:31,698 --> 00:00:35,987 The forward look. 1958 is here today. 4 00:00:35,994 --> 00:00:38,906 That's the Ermine White. Seventeen coats, hand-sanded. 5 00:00:39,331 --> 00:00:42,539 - I'm sure it's the 17th coat that does it. - Power steering, power windows, 6 00:00:42,626 --> 00:00:44,617 power brakes, power mirrors. 7 00:00:44,795 --> 00:00:47,127 The new auto-pilot will make you virtually superfluous. 8 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:50,167 - I'm not sure I need a car for that. - TorqueFlite transmission. 9 00:00:50,175 --> 00:00:52,541 The standard that sets the standard. 10 00:00:52,636 --> 00:00:55,002 And the top operates by just the touch of a button. 11 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:57,971 - I can feel the wind in my hair already. - You just out of school? 12 00:00:58,058 --> 00:01:01,016 - Harvard Law School. - That degree sells itself. 13 00:01:01,144 --> 00:01:03,135 Do you live here in Washington? 14 00:01:03,230 --> 00:01:06,017 - I've been working for the government. - Oh. 15 00:01:06,108 --> 00:01:08,440 - Not that it's permanent. - Oh. 16 00:01:08,986 --> 00:01:10,977 Care to get behind the wheel, Mr. Goodman? 17 00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:12,902 - Goodwin. - Oh. 18 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:16,360 Just be careful with the cigar. 19 00:01:16,451 --> 00:01:19,238 Used to be a man drove the car. Now the car drives the man. 20 00:01:19,329 --> 00:01:20,489 Go on. Turn it over. 21 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:25,203 - Here? Is it, uh... - Go on. It's in neutral. 22 00:01:32,301 --> 00:01:35,168 Listen to that power. 23 00:01:35,262 --> 00:01:38,504 - This is the town for it. - And with the new Bendix Electrojector, 24 00:01:38,599 --> 00:01:40,214 we can rate this honey up to... 25 00:01:40,225 --> 00:01:43,513 - 390 horsepower. - Correct to the hoof. 26 00:01:43,604 --> 00:01:45,515 If my wife knew I was here, she'd kill me. 27 00:01:45,606 --> 00:01:47,016 What a way to go. 28 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:49,849 - Yeah. - I see you're admiring the seats. 29 00:01:49,860 --> 00:01:53,694 That's pigskin and calfskin. 30 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:55,111 Hand rubbed. 31 00:01:55,198 --> 00:01:57,905 Nicest piece of furniture I own would be in the garage. 32 00:01:57,909 --> 00:01:59,615 Try the radio. 33 00:01:59,703 --> 00:02:03,070 The only thing that sounds better than the engine is the radio. 34 00:02:07,669 --> 00:02:10,752 The Russians have beaten us into outer space. 35 00:02:10,756 --> 00:02:13,463 You are listening to the sound of Sputnik, 36 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:16,417 a satellite launched this morning via rocket, 37 00:02:16,511 --> 00:02:19,253 in orbit, right now, directly over our heads. 38 00:02:19,264 --> 00:02:24,224 A sound that says all is not well with America. 39 00:02:24,686 --> 00:02:26,768 America doesn't own the 300. 40 00:02:32,527 --> 00:02:34,688 Oh, the shark, babe 41 00:02:35,405 --> 00:02:38,021 Has such teeth, dear 42 00:02:38,575 --> 00:02:41,157 And he shows them 43 00:02:41,244 --> 00:02:43,951 Pearly white 44 00:02:43,955 --> 00:02:46,788 Just a jackknife 45 00:02:46,792 --> 00:02:50,000 Has old Macheath, babe 46 00:02:50,087 --> 00:02:55,127 And he keeps it out of sight 47 00:02:55,133 --> 00:02:56,919 You know when that shark bites 48 00:02:58,387 --> 00:03:01,254 With his teeth, babe 49 00:03:01,348 --> 00:03:03,054 Scarlet billows 50 00:03:03,975 --> 00:03:06,933 Start to spread 51 00:03:06,937 --> 00:03:09,428 Fancy gloves, oh 52 00:03:09,439 --> 00:03:12,602 Wears old Macheath, babe 53 00:03:12,609 --> 00:03:14,770 So there's never 54 00:03:14,861 --> 00:03:17,147 Never a trace of red 55 00:03:18,490 --> 00:03:21,106 Now on the sidewalk Uh-huh, uh-huh 56 00:03:21,118 --> 00:03:24,281 Ooh, Sunday mornin', uh-huh 57 00:03:24,287 --> 00:03:26,869 Lies a body 58 00:03:26,957 --> 00:03:28,117 Just oozin' life 59 00:03:29,793 --> 00:03:33,001 And someone's sneakin' 60 00:03:33,004 --> 00:03:35,962 'Round the corner 61 00:03:35,966 --> 00:03:38,503 Could that someone 62 00:03:38,510 --> 00:03:40,466 Be Mack the Knife? 63 00:03:41,471 --> 00:03:44,338 Now did ya hear about Louie Miller 64 00:03:44,349 --> 00:03:47,637 He disappeared, babe 65 00:03:47,644 --> 00:03:49,805 After drawin' out 66 00:03:50,313 --> 00:03:52,975 All his hard-earned cash 67 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:56,024 And now Macheath spends 68 00:03:56,027 --> 00:03:59,019 Just like a sailor 69 00:03:59,656 --> 00:04:04,992 Could it be our boy's done somethin' rash? 70 00:04:05,078 --> 00:04:06,659 Ah, Jenny Diver 71 00:04:07,789 --> 00:04:11,031 Hey, Suki Tawdry 72 00:04:11,126 --> 00:04:13,868 Ooh, Miss Lotte Lenya 73 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:17,167 And old Lucy Brown 74 00:04:17,174 --> 00:04:19,711 Oh, the line forms 75 00:04:19,801 --> 00:04:23,043 On the right, babe 76 00:04:23,138 --> 00:04:29,008 Now that Mackie's 77 00:04:29,144 --> 00:04:31,556 Back in town 78 00:04:31,646 --> 00:04:35,605 - What's this? Get this thing out of here. - It's not my station. 79 00:04:35,692 --> 00:04:37,899 - Yeah, yeah. Let's go. - We're still hot on the right. 80 00:04:37,903 --> 00:04:38,892 Watch it. 81 00:04:43,116 --> 00:04:45,607 Oh, it's very exciting. You know, my mother said that... 82 00:04:45,702 --> 00:04:47,442 Hey, those are the questions. 83 00:04:47,537 --> 00:04:49,027 Ah, he's got the questions there. 84 00:04:49,498 --> 00:04:54,583 Like walking on the bottom of the sea, 85 00:04:54,586 --> 00:04:58,750 as if I had drowned long ago. 86 00:04:58,757 --> 00:04:59,963 - As if... - Five minutes, Mr. Barry. 87 00:05:03,637 --> 00:05:05,753 - We're ready, Mr. Barry. - You ready, America? 88 00:05:05,764 --> 00:05:07,675 Oh, thanks, Tim. 89 00:05:08,016 --> 00:05:09,597 - All right, one minute. - Move a little to your left. 90 00:05:09,601 --> 00:05:10,966 Hey, video, you done with the test patterns? 91 00:05:11,061 --> 00:05:12,301 Camera one. 92 00:05:12,395 --> 00:05:14,807 Okay, clear the floor, folks. 93 00:05:14,898 --> 00:05:16,559 - Marty, you're still very hot. - Light it up. 94 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:17,555 Lighting. 95 00:05:17,651 --> 00:05:19,733 - Stand by. Thirty seconds. - Give me his opening shots, please. 96 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:22,068 - Thirty seconds to air. - I'm getting a glare on camera one. 97 00:05:22,072 --> 00:05:25,314 You think you can adjust the barn door on Jack's back light? Yeah, if you can. 98 00:05:25,408 --> 00:05:26,568 Twenty seconds. 99 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:28,616 My light okay? My nose doesn't look big? 100 00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:31,786 - You look great, Jack. - Last week I looked like a sun dial. 101 00:05:31,873 --> 00:05:33,238 Jack, we're on countdown. 102 00:05:33,375 --> 00:05:35,912 Coming to air in ten, nine, eight, seven... 103 00:05:36,002 --> 00:05:36,991 Stand by, timpani. Stand by, opening film. 104 00:05:37,087 --> 00:05:38,668 - Stand by, music. Stand by, announcer. ...six, five, 105 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:43,590 - four, three, two, one. - Cue the timpani. 106 00:05:44,845 --> 00:05:46,801 And fade up. Announce. 107 00:05:47,931 --> 00:05:50,923 Geritol. America's #1 tonic. 108 00:05:50,934 --> 00:05:53,767 Geritol, the fast-acting, high-potency tonic 109 00:05:53,770 --> 00:05:56,887 that helps you feel stronger fast, 110 00:05:57,190 --> 00:06:00,148 presents the exciting quiz program... 111 00:06:00,151 --> 00:06:02,062 Twenty-One. 112 00:06:02,654 --> 00:06:06,146 Brought to you by NBC, the National Broadcasting Company, 113 00:06:06,157 --> 00:06:08,443 broadcasting nationally coast to coast, 114 00:06:08,451 --> 00:06:10,658 from New York to Los Angeles, 115 00:06:10,745 --> 00:06:12,610 from Seattle to St. Petersburg 116 00:06:12,706 --> 00:06:16,665 via a vast network of affiliates crisscrossing the country. 117 00:06:17,335 --> 00:06:19,451 Coming up next, Twenty-One, 118 00:06:19,462 --> 00:06:22,295 starring master of ceremonies Jack Barry! 119 00:06:23,466 --> 00:06:25,832 Two players racing to score 21 points, 120 00:06:27,137 --> 00:06:29,344 each in a soundproof television studio, 121 00:06:29,347 --> 00:06:31,383 not knowing the other one's score, 122 00:06:31,975 --> 00:06:35,058 - with $500 riding on each point... - Damn it! 123 00:06:35,478 --> 00:06:37,389 ...as they both play... 124 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,471 Twenty-One! 125 00:06:41,776 --> 00:06:45,143 And here's your host, Jack Barry! 126 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:52,738 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 127 00:06:52,829 --> 00:06:57,198 Due to a series of ties, Herbert Stempel, our 29-year-old ex-G.I. College student, 128 00:06:57,292 --> 00:06:59,999 must play at $3,000 a point, 129 00:07:00,003 --> 00:07:02,039 which means that in a few brief minutes, 130 00:07:02,047 --> 00:07:05,005 he can either win as much as $ 100,000, 131 00:07:05,091 --> 00:07:07,047 the most money won on television to date, 132 00:07:07,135 --> 00:07:10,047 or lose everything he's won in the last eight weeks. 133 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,342 You nervous? 134 00:07:13,350 --> 00:07:15,215 It's only money. 135 00:07:15,310 --> 00:07:17,596 Isolated in their soundproof studios, 136 00:07:17,687 --> 00:07:20,394 neither player is aware of the other's score. 137 00:07:20,482 --> 00:07:22,689 I've been assured by our friends at the Encyclopedia 138 00:07:22,776 --> 00:07:25,688 that they've concocted some real brain-breakers this week, 139 00:07:25,695 --> 00:07:27,526 so we'll find out in the next 30 minutes 140 00:07:27,530 --> 00:07:31,068 if the unstumpable Herbert Stempel can be stumped. 141 00:07:31,076 --> 00:07:34,193 Could I have the questions, please? 142 00:07:34,871 --> 00:07:35,951 Thank you, gentlemen. 143 00:07:36,039 --> 00:07:37,870 Remember, the questions on Twenty-One are secured each week 144 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:41,867 in a Manhattan bank vault till just before show time. 145 00:07:41,962 --> 00:07:45,250 So right now, let's meet Herbert Stempel and his challenger as Geritol, 146 00:07:45,340 --> 00:07:48,298 America's #1 tonic, presents Twenty-One. 147 00:07:54,766 --> 00:07:56,802 Welcome back to the show, gentlemen. 148 00:07:56,893 --> 00:07:59,430 Mr. Peloubet, a very cordial welcome to you, sir. 149 00:07:59,437 --> 00:08:01,302 How are you, Herb? How's everything in Queens? 150 00:08:01,398 --> 00:08:04,265 - Fine, Mr. Barry. - It's a nervous strain in the family, I bet. 151 00:08:04,359 --> 00:08:06,224 - How's your wife holding out? - She's fine, thank you. 152 00:08:06,236 --> 00:08:07,942 Thank you, Mr. Barry, for asking. 153 00:08:08,029 --> 00:08:09,144 As you know, Herb, the questions 154 00:08:09,239 --> 00:08:11,776 are graded for difficulty by the Encyclopedia Britannica... 155 00:08:11,866 --> 00:08:15,279 I might add that my wife no longer suffers from tired blood, 156 00:08:15,286 --> 00:08:17,242 now that I've got her on Geritol. 157 00:08:17,330 --> 00:08:19,116 That's fine. Graded on a scale from one... 158 00:08:19,124 --> 00:08:21,740 I personally vouch that it's a fine product. 159 00:08:21,751 --> 00:08:23,742 I'm sure our sponsor will be pleased to know that, Herb. 160 00:08:23,753 --> 00:08:24,959 Now, to get on with the show... 161 00:08:25,046 --> 00:08:27,583 I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Geritol 162 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:31,082 for giving a poor ex-G. I. This amazing opportunity 163 00:08:31,094 --> 00:08:33,585 to realize his dream of a college education. 164 00:08:36,391 --> 00:08:38,131 Now there's a face for radio. 165 00:08:39,185 --> 00:08:41,676 Dick Peloubet back again from sunny Miami, Florida, 166 00:08:41,771 --> 00:08:42,851 and Herb Stempel. 167 00:08:42,939 --> 00:08:44,770 - Yeah. - Stempel is giving me a headache. 168 00:08:44,858 --> 00:08:47,440 - Well, he sells Geritol. - Have you seen the ratings? 169 00:08:47,444 --> 00:08:50,527 - Well, they've evened out. - I don't think he works anymore. 170 00:08:50,613 --> 00:08:53,320 Stempel is an underdog. You know, people root for that. 171 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:54,609 It's a New York thing. 172 00:08:54,617 --> 00:08:56,198 Queens is not New York. 173 00:08:56,786 --> 00:08:59,118 Let's play Twenty-One. 174 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:13,166 Mr. Kintner's office, please. 175 00:09:14,429 --> 00:09:16,511 Office of the President. Could you hold, please? 176 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:17,503 Mr. Kintner's office. 177 00:09:17,599 --> 00:09:20,511 Once inside the isolation booth, neither player can see the other, 178 00:09:20,518 --> 00:09:21,553 nor can they hear anything 179 00:09:21,644 --> 00:09:24,977 until I turn their studios on, which I'm gonna do right now. 180 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,389 All right, gentlemen? 181 00:09:29,861 --> 00:09:32,898 - He's not hurting sales, is he? - He just doesn't think he works. 182 00:09:32,989 --> 00:09:34,820 - Why? - Look, I don't know. 183 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:36,739 I guess the sponsor wants a guy on Twenty-One 184 00:09:36,826 --> 00:09:38,817 who looks like he'd get a table at 21. 185 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:42,029 You just tell him I said Stempel has an everyman quality. 186 00:09:42,123 --> 00:09:45,206 You know that whole American dream thing? You, too, can be rich? 187 00:09:45,293 --> 00:09:48,000 - If the ratings stay high. - Very funny. 188 00:09:48,088 --> 00:09:51,080 I'm just passing it along, sir. 189 00:09:55,095 --> 00:09:58,713 Every schoolboy knows about the midnight ride of Paul Revere. 190 00:09:58,807 --> 00:10:03,050 For 11 points, how many lanterns were hung in the Old North Church? 191 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:06,011 Who rode with Paul Revere? Who lent him his horse? 192 00:10:06,106 --> 00:10:08,062 Was it a mare or a stallion? 193 00:10:08,149 --> 00:10:10,606 And what was the horse's name? 194 00:10:11,027 --> 00:10:13,564 - Stand by, Joe, on Herbie. - Kill the air. 195 00:10:13,655 --> 00:10:14,690 Tommy, air off. 196 00:10:23,873 --> 00:10:25,158 Uh... 197 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:28,041 A little tighter. Kelly, put the sign up. 198 00:10:28,128 --> 00:10:31,541 Control booth. Uh, yeah, hold on, sir. 199 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:34,505 Dan, it's for you. It's Kintner. 200 00:10:36,553 --> 00:10:39,795 Would you mind, Mr. Barry, could I take the third part last? 201 00:10:40,223 --> 00:10:42,509 That's fine. 202 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:47,720 The code was, uh, "One if by land, two if by sea." 203 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:51,564 Therefore, it would have to be two lanterns in the Old North Church. 204 00:10:51,568 --> 00:10:55,060 That's right. And the second part. Who rode with him? 205 00:10:55,155 --> 00:10:58,613 - Dawes and Prescott. - Dawes and Prescott. 206 00:11:01,828 --> 00:11:04,786 What these books have conclusively proven is that the difference 207 00:11:04,789 --> 00:11:07,496 between men and women is exactly 38 pages. 208 00:11:07,584 --> 00:11:08,573 Can I quote you, Mark? 209 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:09,999 Not before I quote me. 210 00:11:10,086 --> 00:11:11,576 His own quotes are his greatest pleasure. 211 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:13,457 Did you hear the market dropped 30 points today? 212 00:11:13,464 --> 00:11:14,624 There's a rumor Eisenhower died. 213 00:11:14,632 --> 00:11:15,963 How would they tell? 214 00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:18,336 Oh, please, don't get Dorothy started on politics. 215 00:11:18,428 --> 00:11:20,339 - There'll be a raid. - Good night. 216 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:23,513 Good night, Dorothy. Sorry I'm late. It's impossible out there. 217 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,309 - You can't get a cab without a dragnet. - Eisenhower died. 218 00:11:27,395 --> 00:11:28,635 - What? - Professor Van Doren, 219 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:30,477 I took your course at Columbia, 220 00:11:30,481 --> 00:11:32,847 Hawthorne, Original Sin and the American Experience. 221 00:11:32,942 --> 00:11:34,807 - Nixon is president? - Well, as silly as it sounds, 222 00:11:34,819 --> 00:11:35,934 it changed my life. 223 00:11:35,945 --> 00:11:37,776 Was it the Hawthorne or the sin? 224 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:40,943 Perhaps you'd like to meet my son, the unmarried Van Doren. 225 00:11:41,034 --> 00:11:43,366 - Oh, where is Charlie? - You're right again, Herb. 226 00:11:43,453 --> 00:11:46,945 You got the first two parts correct. Just three more for 11 points. 227 00:11:46,956 --> 00:11:49,117 Excuse me. Are you the son? 228 00:11:49,125 --> 00:11:52,868 - I'm Charlie. Pleasure. - Elizabeth. The pleasure's all mine. 229 00:11:53,296 --> 00:11:55,378 It was a mare, Mr. Barry. 230 00:11:55,632 --> 00:11:57,497 How did he know that? 231 00:11:57,508 --> 00:11:59,294 Oh, there you are. 232 00:11:59,385 --> 00:12:02,468 We're making our getaway, Charlie, if you want a ride. 233 00:12:02,472 --> 00:12:04,679 Have you ever watched one of these quiz shows, Dad? 234 00:12:04,682 --> 00:12:07,515 The $64,000 Question or Twenty-One? 235 00:12:07,518 --> 00:12:11,306 For $64,000, I hope they ask you the meaning of life. 236 00:12:11,314 --> 00:12:16,399 Okay, Herb, finally: Name the man who loaned Paul Revere his horse 237 00:12:16,527 --> 00:12:18,483 for that fateful midnight ride. 238 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:20,436 The horse. Who loaned him the horse? 239 00:12:20,949 --> 00:12:23,031 Okay, Herb, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask for your answer. 240 00:12:23,117 --> 00:12:24,197 Yes, Mr. Barry. 241 00:12:24,285 --> 00:12:25,991 Look, just give him what he wants. 242 00:12:25,995 --> 00:12:27,826 I don't want to talk to these agency guys. 243 00:12:27,830 --> 00:12:29,320 So what do you want me to do, Mr. Kintner? 244 00:12:29,415 --> 00:12:32,202 You're a producer, Dan. Produce. 245 00:12:32,210 --> 00:12:33,325 Would you like more time, Herb? 246 00:12:33,336 --> 00:12:35,793 - Right. - If I may. 247 00:12:39,217 --> 00:12:41,208 Herbie's dead. 248 00:12:41,970 --> 00:12:44,677 Larkin? Deacon John Larkin? 249 00:12:44,681 --> 00:12:47,263 That's correct for 11 points! 250 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,354 All right, Herb, take a deep breath and relax, will you? 251 00:12:55,650 --> 00:12:59,393 And we'll get back to the game after this word from our sponsor. 252 00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:05,778 Now, friends, I was just wondering, what kind of a day did you have today? 253 00:13:05,868 --> 00:13:08,735 Did you greet the sunrise with plenty of vim, vigor and vitality, 254 00:13:08,746 --> 00:13:12,079 only to feel the wind go out of your sails just after lunchtime? 255 00:13:12,166 --> 00:13:14,248 Do you find you're not having as much fun as you used to? 256 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:17,539 This beats the subway, huh, Mr. Stempel? 257 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:18,665 You said it. 258 00:13:26,723 --> 00:13:29,556 - Hooray! - Hey, Herbie! 259 00:13:32,061 --> 00:13:34,598 You were the greatest tonight, Herbie! 260 00:13:37,233 --> 00:13:38,939 Great, Einstein! 261 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:40,934 Hey, the audience really loves you! 262 00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:42,731 Herbie, you remember me when! 263 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:44,813 Herbie! I remember you when! 264 00:13:45,158 --> 00:13:48,070 - Hi, Ellen. - Hey, Herbie, what color was she? 265 00:13:48,161 --> 00:13:50,743 You looked so good on TV tonight, Herbie! 266 00:13:51,914 --> 00:13:53,745 You should have gone for 11 on the movies, Herbie. 267 00:13:53,750 --> 00:13:55,615 You should win $ 100,000. 268 00:13:55,626 --> 00:13:57,491 Hey, you were really cookin' tonight, Stempel. 269 00:13:57,628 --> 00:13:59,789 - Of course I watched it. - You didn't go to the show? 270 00:13:59,881 --> 00:14:02,497 The genius is home. The rich genius is home. 271 00:14:02,592 --> 00:14:05,299 I watched it on television like everybody else. 272 00:14:05,386 --> 00:14:06,421 Would you tell him that... 273 00:14:06,512 --> 00:14:08,093 You were great tonight, Herb. 274 00:14:08,181 --> 00:14:10,422 Come on. I wanna dance. Dance with me. 275 00:14:10,433 --> 00:14:12,094 Looking for the light 276 00:14:12,101 --> 00:14:13,841 Would you ask him for me, please, right now? 277 00:14:13,936 --> 00:14:14,925 Of a new love 278 00:14:15,021 --> 00:14:18,013 Mother wants to know why you only went for 8 on the movies. 279 00:14:18,107 --> 00:14:20,473 Because my real expertise is pain-in-the-ass in-laws. 280 00:14:20,485 --> 00:14:22,521 - Now would you get off the phone? - I'm not gonna start with this. 281 00:14:22,612 --> 00:14:24,773 Tell him that everybody is watching that show. 282 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,274 Steve Allen is gettin' a busy signal 283 00:14:26,366 --> 00:14:27,822 because my mother-in-law won't shut up. 284 00:14:27,909 --> 00:14:29,274 - Look, Ma, I got... ...drops dead, 285 00:14:29,285 --> 00:14:30,866 - and I don't want to have to deal with it. - I gotta go. 286 00:14:30,953 --> 00:14:32,284 - All right. Goodbye. - Call me before you go to bed. 287 00:14:32,288 --> 00:14:33,494 That's all I'm sayin'. 288 00:14:33,956 --> 00:14:37,699 What are you doin'? My father paid good money for this suit. 289 00:14:37,794 --> 00:14:39,204 He wore it to his own funeral. 290 00:14:39,295 --> 00:14:41,377 You make it sound like it was the suit that killed him. 291 00:14:41,464 --> 00:14:43,546 You wanna know why Enright makes me wear that suit? 292 00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:45,169 Because it makes me look like a schmuck. 293 00:14:45,259 --> 00:14:47,341 Yeah, well, stop actin' like a schmuck then. 294 00:14:47,345 --> 00:14:50,837 You don't get it, do you? I go out on the street, and everybody knows me. 295 00:14:50,932 --> 00:14:55,642 Me. Herb Stempel. And they love me for the same reason they used to hate me. 296 00:14:55,645 --> 00:14:57,636 Because I'm the guy who knows everything. 297 00:14:57,647 --> 00:15:01,356 You should worship the ground I walk on, what my family's done for you. 298 00:15:01,359 --> 00:15:03,691 You wanna be worshiped? Go to India and moo. 299 00:15:03,778 --> 00:15:06,986 Without my family, you'd be on that show in your underwear. 300 00:15:06,989 --> 00:15:09,856 Things are gonna change around here, boy. 301 00:15:10,368 --> 00:15:12,324 What does that mean, everything's gonna change? 302 00:15:12,328 --> 00:15:14,159 You think I should get my teeth capped? 303 00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:19,540 What's gonna change, Herbert? 304 00:15:19,544 --> 00:15:21,751 Everything's gonna change. 305 00:15:23,881 --> 00:15:25,087 For us. 306 00:15:26,676 --> 00:15:29,167 Hey, what the hell were you thinking? 307 00:15:29,178 --> 00:15:32,591 Toby, that box is the biggest thing 308 00:15:32,682 --> 00:15:35,549 since Gutenberg invented the printing press, 309 00:15:35,643 --> 00:15:37,383 and I'm the biggest thing on it. 310 00:15:39,188 --> 00:15:41,304 We don't need your mother and her money anymore. 311 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:44,516 Don't you wanna tell her where to get off after 28 years? 312 00:15:46,988 --> 00:15:48,819 Now would you please 313 00:15:49,365 --> 00:15:51,572 dance with me? 314 00:15:51,659 --> 00:15:54,947 Dancing in the dark 315 00:15:55,204 --> 00:15:57,195 Until the tune ends 316 00:15:57,206 --> 00:16:01,575 We're dancing in the dark 317 00:16:01,669 --> 00:16:04,035 And it soon ends 318 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:06,246 We're waltzing 319 00:16:06,257 --> 00:16:11,422 In the wonder of why we're here... 320 00:16:11,429 --> 00:16:14,136 Because of a disagreement with his commanding general, 321 00:16:14,223 --> 00:16:16,589 Ulysses S. Grant was virtually placed under arrest 322 00:16:16,601 --> 00:16:19,559 for a brief time early in 1862. 323 00:16:19,562 --> 00:16:22,144 Who was the commanding general of the Union Army at that time? 324 00:16:22,982 --> 00:16:25,940 Oh, I know that. Uh, Halleck. General H.W. Halleck. 325 00:16:25,943 --> 00:16:27,558 That's correct. 326 00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:29,481 Who was Sebastian Cabot and what country 327 00:16:29,572 --> 00:16:31,233 - was he in the service of? - Hey, Terry. 328 00:16:32,033 --> 00:16:35,070 He was an explorer from Spain. 329 00:16:35,161 --> 00:16:36,776 That's correct. 330 00:16:36,787 --> 00:16:38,243 Who founded the former hub of the Byzantine Empire... 331 00:16:38,247 --> 00:16:39,657 Who's that guy in the corner? 332 00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:41,740 - Constantinople? - Constantine the First. 333 00:16:41,918 --> 00:16:44,000 Charles Van Doren. 334 00:16:44,086 --> 00:16:47,294 Charles Van Doren? Like "Van Doren" Van Doren? 335 00:16:48,758 --> 00:16:51,044 - He wants to be on Tic-Tac-Dough? - I guess so. 336 00:16:51,219 --> 00:16:54,086 - Meriwether Lewis. - That's it. 337 00:16:54,096 --> 00:16:57,054 Who was the editor of the socialist paper... 338 00:16:57,308 --> 00:16:59,674 Oh, this is the guy. This is the guy. 339 00:16:59,769 --> 00:17:01,976 I got the guy I got the guy 340 00:17:02,104 --> 00:17:03,935 I got the guy! 341 00:17:06,442 --> 00:17:07,477 I got the guy. 342 00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:10,476 So I turned to astrophysics, but of course, as you know, 343 00:17:10,571 --> 00:17:13,859 all the great physicists were great before the age of 25. 344 00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:15,815 It just wasn't in the cards. 345 00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:19,494 So I went to Paris and wrote my novel about a patricide. 346 00:17:19,497 --> 00:17:20,657 What? 347 00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:21,996 A boy who kills his father. 348 00:17:24,043 --> 00:17:25,829 My dad liked it quite a lot, actually, 349 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,128 although you could fill Yankee Stadium with the world's mediocre novelists. 350 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:31,126 And your father is Carl Van Doren. 351 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:33,966 My uncle. My father is Mark Van Doren, the poet. 352 00:17:34,053 --> 00:17:38,342 He also teaches... I mean, I also teach at Columbia. Literature. 353 00:17:38,349 --> 00:17:41,716 - Same as Dad. - Oh, same as Dad, huh? That's nice. 354 00:17:41,811 --> 00:17:43,676 Could I ask you a personal question, Professor? 355 00:17:43,771 --> 00:17:45,807 Actually, I'm not a professor yet. I'm just an instructor. 356 00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:47,896 How much do they pay instructors up at Columbia? 357 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:49,849 Eighty-six dollars a week. 358 00:17:49,944 --> 00:17:51,809 You have any idea how much Bozo the Clown makes? 359 00:17:51,904 --> 00:17:54,145 Well, we can't all be Bozo the Clown. 360 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,856 No, no, not to question your choice of profession. Not at all. 361 00:17:56,867 --> 00:18:00,075 I'm questioning the values of a society that pays somebody like you... 362 00:18:00,162 --> 00:18:01,527 - What was it? - Eighty-six dollars a week. 363 00:18:01,622 --> 00:18:04,580 Eighty-six dollars a week. You plan on raising a family, right, Professor? 364 00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:05,873 - Yes, I hope to, very much. - Can you imagine 365 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,200 raising a family on 86 dollars a week? 366 00:18:07,211 --> 00:18:08,371 Eighty-six dollars a week. 367 00:18:08,379 --> 00:18:11,041 And meanwhile, look at the crisis of education in this country. 368 00:18:11,048 --> 00:18:13,790 Well, yes, I agree. It's a national problem. 369 00:18:14,176 --> 00:18:16,508 So I understand you came down to try out for Tic-Tac-Dough. 370 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,508 Well, my friends tell me I have a good mind for this sort of thing. 371 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:20,714 They coaxed me... 372 00:18:20,725 --> 00:18:22,340 How'd you like to be on Twenty-One? 373 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,681 - Twenty-One? - Dan produces both shows. 374 00:18:26,772 --> 00:18:29,013 You're young, you're clean-cut, you're from a prominent family. 375 00:18:29,025 --> 00:18:31,266 Kids would run to do their homework to be like Charles Van Doren. 376 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:33,442 - What about Herbert Stempel? - What about him? 377 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:35,110 Herb? Oh, I love him. 378 00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:36,562 - People don't like him. - Well, we love Herb. 379 00:18:36,657 --> 00:18:38,443 - Kids don't look up to him. - If you were a kid, 380 00:18:38,534 --> 00:18:41,071 would you want to be an annoying Jewish guy with a sidewall haircut? 381 00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:44,950 - Well, I wanted to be Joe DiMaggio. - Oh, yeah? Me, too. 382 00:18:45,041 --> 00:18:47,077 - Especially after he signed for 100,000. - Yeah, Al... 383 00:18:47,168 --> 00:18:50,126 But you see, that's what this country needs, is an intellectual Joe DiMaggio, 384 00:18:50,212 --> 00:18:52,123 with the women and the money and all of it, 385 00:18:52,214 --> 00:18:53,920 but from his brain instead of a bat and ball. 386 00:18:54,008 --> 00:18:56,590 - Dan. - I know. You're probably right. 387 00:18:56,677 --> 00:19:00,169 Yeah, boy. What are we gonna do here? 388 00:19:02,058 --> 00:19:03,514 Well, I could take a whack at it. 389 00:19:08,439 --> 00:19:13,399 Yeah, see, the problem, Professor, is the old college try ain't gonna do it. 390 00:19:13,486 --> 00:19:16,228 And you've seen Stempel. The guy's unbeatable. 391 00:19:16,322 --> 00:19:18,779 I have to admit Tic-Tac-Dough seemed more feasible. 392 00:19:19,325 --> 00:19:22,738 What if we were to put you on the show... 393 00:19:22,745 --> 00:19:25,236 Put you on Twenty-One and ask you questions that you know. 394 00:19:25,247 --> 00:19:30,116 Say, the questions that he answered correctly on the test this morning. 395 00:19:30,211 --> 00:19:31,747 - I don't follow you. - Just thinkin' out loud. 396 00:19:33,381 --> 00:19:35,497 I thought the questions were in a bank vault. 397 00:19:35,591 --> 00:19:37,923 - In a way, they are. - You wanna win, don't you? 398 00:19:38,803 --> 00:19:41,340 Well, I think I'd really rather try to beat him honestly. 399 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:42,419 What's dishonest? 400 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:44,346 When Gregory Peck parachutes behind enemy lines, 401 00:19:44,433 --> 00:19:45,764 do you think that's really Gregory Peck? 402 00:19:45,851 --> 00:19:48,467 That book that Eisenhower wrote? A ghostwriter wrote it. Nobody cares. 403 00:19:48,562 --> 00:19:50,018 It's not like we'd be giving you the answers. 404 00:19:50,106 --> 00:19:51,937 Just 'cause we know you know, you still know. 405 00:19:51,941 --> 00:19:54,102 Right. It's not like you're putting me on the show, or Al, 406 00:19:54,193 --> 00:19:56,184 and pretending to be some sort of intellectual. 407 00:19:56,278 --> 00:19:58,940 You have put in years of study and erudition. 408 00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:03,195 I mean, I'm just trying to imagine what Kant would make of this. 409 00:20:04,203 --> 00:20:06,034 I don't think he'd have a problem with it. 410 00:20:06,122 --> 00:20:08,659 Think about what this could mean for the cause of education. 411 00:20:08,749 --> 00:20:11,661 Forty million people will watch you on Twenty-One. 412 00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:14,456 It's not like anybody has to know. Just us three. 413 00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:26,134 It just doesn't seem right. 414 00:20:26,726 --> 00:20:28,717 I'd have to say no. 415 00:20:31,147 --> 00:20:32,603 Just an idea. 416 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:37,641 Was that part of the test? 417 00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:50,203 - So we're okay. - You're gonna give it a try. 418 00:20:50,207 --> 00:20:54,325 Well, I just want to make sure it'll be, you know, not 419 00:20:54,336 --> 00:20:56,247 the way we discussed it before? 420 00:20:56,338 --> 00:20:59,705 - No. So pure, it floats. - Not at all. 421 00:20:59,717 --> 00:21:01,753 Okay? So we'll see you Monday night then. 422 00:21:01,844 --> 00:21:02,879 You'll come by and see how the show works. 423 00:21:02,970 --> 00:21:04,050 Great. 424 00:21:04,054 --> 00:21:05,760 - All right. And we'll look forward to that. - Monday night. 425 00:21:05,848 --> 00:21:07,429 - N ice meeting you. - Okay. Goodbye. 426 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:09,507 - Take care. - Bye-bye. 427 00:21:11,729 --> 00:21:15,221 - Reservations are at 9:00. - Thanks. All right. 428 00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:16,935 Boys. 429 00:21:17,026 --> 00:21:18,516 - H i, Jack. - H i, Jack. 430 00:21:18,611 --> 00:21:21,853 - Who's that? - That's Charles Van Doren. 431 00:21:21,989 --> 00:21:25,447 - As in "Van Doren" Van Doren? - Van Doren. Yes. 432 00:21:25,534 --> 00:21:28,446 He wants to be on Tic-Tac-Dough. 433 00:21:29,705 --> 00:21:33,448 Now, why would a guy like that want to be on a quiz show? 434 00:21:35,878 --> 00:21:39,746 Richard Goodwin. I'm an investigator. 435 00:21:39,757 --> 00:21:40,746 An investigator. 436 00:21:40,841 --> 00:21:42,206 Richard Goodwin with the Subcommittee 437 00:21:42,301 --> 00:21:44,087 on Legislative Oversight. 438 00:21:44,178 --> 00:21:46,635 I'm calling because the rate schedules for the Baltimore and Ohio 439 00:21:46,722 --> 00:21:48,428 for the first four months of 1954 440 00:21:48,516 --> 00:21:50,757 seem to be missing from the documents you just sent me. 441 00:21:50,851 --> 00:21:53,263 Oh, go get 'em, Dickie. They're sweatin' now. 442 00:21:53,354 --> 00:21:55,390 Do they know you were first in your class at Harvard Law School? 443 00:21:55,397 --> 00:21:56,603 Don't talk to me like I'm an idiot. 444 00:21:56,607 --> 00:21:57,892 I was first in my class at Harvard Law School. 445 00:21:57,900 --> 00:22:00,562 - There we go. What have you got? - Forty-three seconds. 446 00:22:00,653 --> 00:22:02,439 - Not bad. - Railroad regulation. 447 00:22:02,446 --> 00:22:04,607 Now that's political dynamite he's playing with. 448 00:22:04,615 --> 00:22:06,401 Oh, just an oversight. 449 00:22:06,492 --> 00:22:08,608 - We're an oversight committee. - Right. 450 00:22:08,702 --> 00:22:10,567 The end of next week. That'll be just fine. 451 00:22:10,663 --> 00:22:12,574 And I'll send you a little helpful reminder, okay? 452 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:14,906 You'll notice it 'cause it'll look very much like a subpoena. 453 00:22:14,917 --> 00:22:15,952 Oh! 454 00:22:16,043 --> 00:22:17,453 Thank you. 455 00:22:17,545 --> 00:22:19,410 You know, Dick, you stick with this... I don't know. 456 00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:20,501 Ten, fifteen years, 457 00:22:20,589 --> 00:22:23,080 you could bring the Interstate Commerce Commission to its knees. 458 00:22:24,051 --> 00:22:26,133 Of course, by then, there may not be railroads. 459 00:22:27,304 --> 00:22:28,965 You'll still be sittin' right there, too, Alex. 460 00:22:28,973 --> 00:22:31,259 - He's so sensitive. - Truce. 461 00:22:32,476 --> 00:22:33,807 Herb, you got ten points. 462 00:22:33,811 --> 00:22:36,928 The category is "Explorers." How many you want to try for? 463 00:22:38,357 --> 00:22:41,144 - I'll try for 11 points, Mr. Barry. - Hello! 464 00:22:41,151 --> 00:22:43,517 Gonna go all the way, huh? All right. 465 00:22:43,612 --> 00:22:45,273 I'm gonna name four spots on the globe. 466 00:22:45,281 --> 00:22:47,522 You name the explorer who discovered them. 467 00:22:47,616 --> 00:22:50,779 - First, Newfoundland. - John Cabot. 468 00:22:52,121 --> 00:22:54,328 Hi. I see you're really churning out the chapters today. 469 00:22:54,331 --> 00:22:57,038 Go away. No cigar in the bedroom. 470 00:22:57,501 --> 00:22:58,866 - That's correct. - Out. 471 00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:00,371 The Cape of Good Hope. 472 00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:03,044 No cigar in the bedroom. We allow a television in the bedroom, 473 00:23:03,132 --> 00:23:05,293 but no cigar in the bedroom. 474 00:23:05,301 --> 00:23:07,508 - This... - Bartolomeu Dias. 475 00:23:07,595 --> 00:23:09,881 - He originally called it... - You're right, Herb. 476 00:23:09,972 --> 00:23:13,556 So today, chairman calls me aside. 477 00:23:13,642 --> 00:23:15,633 My big break, right? 478 00:23:15,728 --> 00:23:17,013 He asks me to write him a speech 479 00:23:17,104 --> 00:23:20,813 to deliver to the Kiwanis Club of Arkadelphia, Arkansas. 480 00:23:20,900 --> 00:23:23,812 You're good at that. Gee, do we get to go there? 481 00:23:23,819 --> 00:23:27,653 Yeah. Just like to know where the challenge is. 482 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:30,482 You know? I feel like a race horse whose gate won't open. 483 00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:33,325 You didn't want the Wall Street job. 484 00:23:33,412 --> 00:23:37,030 Yeah, I know. Well, money isn't everything. 485 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:39,999 I'm not the one who came home with the Chrysler catalog. 486 00:23:40,085 --> 00:23:43,577 Give me the name of the explorer who discovered Mozambique. 487 00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:47,335 - Vasco da Gama. - Vasco da Gama. 488 00:23:47,343 --> 00:23:51,052 - Well... - Maybe I should get on a quiz show. 489 00:23:51,138 --> 00:23:53,845 At least I could get in my own bedroom. 490 00:23:53,849 --> 00:23:56,841 It's just a job, Dick. It's not sex. 491 00:23:59,355 --> 00:24:01,016 Vasco da Gama? 492 00:24:01,023 --> 00:24:03,389 - Great show, Herbie. - Terrific show. I really think so. 493 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,016 - Jack, wasn't Herb terrific tonight? - Can't you see I'm busy, Dan? 494 00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:07,897 - Okay. - Oh, Herb, I'd like you to meet 495 00:24:07,905 --> 00:24:09,861 next week's challenger, Charles Van Doren. 496 00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:14,283 Hello. I'm scared of you. Boy, oh, boy, let me tell you. 497 00:24:14,370 --> 00:24:15,860 Scared of me? 498 00:24:24,672 --> 00:24:27,664 - More wine, Herb? - Thank you, Dan. Why not? 499 00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:34,716 You've earned it. How's that steak? 500 00:24:34,807 --> 00:24:36,388 Nothing like a fine piece of meat. 501 00:24:37,726 --> 00:24:40,217 You know, Herb, it's a hell of a thing. I'm lookin' at the thing today. 502 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:42,303 - You know, the Trendex rating? - Yeah? 503 00:24:42,398 --> 00:24:45,390 Well, it's the damndest thing, but you've plateaued. 504 00:24:46,068 --> 00:24:49,276 Plateaued? What kind of word is that? 505 00:24:49,863 --> 00:24:51,228 - What, plateaued? - Plateaued. 506 00:24:51,323 --> 00:24:53,405 Plateaued? Well, it's like you... 507 00:24:53,409 --> 00:24:54,740 You mean people don't like me anymore? 508 00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:56,613 No, no, no, it's not you per se. 509 00:24:56,704 --> 00:24:58,569 - It's just... No, it's... - Maybe I should get my teeth capped. 510 00:24:58,664 --> 00:24:59,653 It's the nature of the show. 511 00:24:59,748 --> 00:25:01,739 They've already seen you win, and they want something new. 512 00:25:02,251 --> 00:25:04,913 So what are you saying? You think they want me to lose? 513 00:25:05,004 --> 00:25:07,086 Well, don't you think that's natural? 514 00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:10,790 Joe Louis was the champ for 12 years. Nobody ever wanted Joe Louis to lose. 515 00:25:10,884 --> 00:25:13,216 - Think about the cause of education. - The cause of education? 516 00:25:14,388 --> 00:25:16,504 I waited 29 years for this. 517 00:25:16,598 --> 00:25:19,806 Now I'm supposed to take a dive for the cause of education? 518 00:25:19,893 --> 00:25:22,805 I didn't say take a dive. Now I'm askin' you for your help. 519 00:25:22,896 --> 00:25:25,137 Fine. Just let me play it honestly. 520 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:26,597 Will you keep your voice down? 521 00:25:26,692 --> 00:25:28,353 Go ahead. Give me a number. Give me a number. 522 00:25:28,777 --> 00:25:31,268 Excuse me, sir. Give me a number, a random number. 523 00:25:31,363 --> 00:25:32,819 I don't know. Twenty-three? 524 00:25:32,906 --> 00:25:34,988 Beethoven was 23 when he composed his first piano sonata. 525 00:25:35,451 --> 00:25:39,990 In 1923, Jack Bentley set the record for average by a pitcher, batting.427. 526 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,365 There are 23 chromosomes 527 00:25:41,457 --> 00:25:42,822 - in the human egg. - Herb... 528 00:25:42,833 --> 00:25:45,950 Also, the human sperm. Twenty-third president, Benjamin Harrison. 529 00:25:45,961 --> 00:25:47,701 Asian countries along the 23rd parallel... 530 00:25:47,796 --> 00:25:49,377 Look, don't start believing your own bullshit, all right? 531 00:25:49,465 --> 00:25:50,625 You wouldn't know the name of Paul Revere's horse 532 00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:51,796 if he took a crap on your lawn. 533 00:25:51,884 --> 00:25:54,000 - She. - What? 534 00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:57,678 - It was a mare, remember? - Look, you lose when I tell you to lose. 535 00:25:57,765 --> 00:25:59,346 - But why now? - It's an arrangement. 536 00:25:59,433 --> 00:26:02,220 - It's always been an arrangement. - But if you told me to lose before, 537 00:26:02,311 --> 00:26:04,802 if you told me to lose right from the beginning, that I'd understand. 538 00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:08,351 That'd be the story of my life. But why now? What did I do? 539 00:26:08,442 --> 00:26:12,355 Look at the big picture. It's not like television is gonna go away, you know. 540 00:26:12,446 --> 00:26:15,984 - I mean, think about the future. - You mean like a panel show? 541 00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:19,525 Check. Look, I'm gonna do what I can do, Herb. 542 00:26:19,620 --> 00:26:22,157 But meanwhile, maybe you could use somebody to talk to. 543 00:26:22,164 --> 00:26:25,702 I'm gonna give you the name of my analyst. Just send me the bills. 544 00:26:25,709 --> 00:26:28,166 You know, I could be terrific on one of those panel shows. 545 00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:29,333 Here you go, sir. 546 00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:31,878 Witty, off-the-cuff. A Bill Cullen sort of thing. 547 00:26:31,965 --> 00:26:34,206 Now the last category is movies. 548 00:26:34,218 --> 00:26:35,879 We're gonna ask you what won the Academy Award 549 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:37,880 for Best Picture in 1955. 550 00:26:37,888 --> 00:26:40,254 You don't know it. You answer On The Waterfront. 551 00:26:41,934 --> 00:26:44,550 Oh, no. Oh, no. Don't... Don't do that. 552 00:26:44,561 --> 00:26:47,724 Not Marty. I saw Marty three times. 553 00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:50,598 The Best Picture from two years ago and I don't know it? 554 00:26:50,692 --> 00:26:52,853 Someone of your intellect, and it's such a simple question. 555 00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:55,903 - Don't you see the drama of that? - Drama? 556 00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:58,355 Herb, don't do this to yourself. 557 00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:02,109 Please, let me lose on a physics question, not Marty, Dan. 558 00:27:03,413 --> 00:27:06,029 Don't do this to me. It's too humiliating. 559 00:27:06,125 --> 00:27:09,208 For 70 grand, Herb, you can afford to be humiliated. 560 00:27:22,224 --> 00:27:23,930 Who was the captain of the Mayflower? 561 00:27:23,934 --> 00:27:25,049 Christopher Jones. 562 00:27:25,144 --> 00:27:26,975 - What year? - 1620. 563 00:27:27,062 --> 00:27:29,223 Here's Mr. Moto! 564 00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:31,396 And we'll return to Mr. Moto after this. 565 00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:34,316 Will Herbert Stempel become the first man 566 00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:37,315 to win over $ 100,000 on television? 567 00:27:37,406 --> 00:27:40,273 No, Herbert Stempel is not going to win over $ 100,000. 568 00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:42,403 Herbert Stempel is going to take a dive! 569 00:27:42,411 --> 00:27:45,118 Dad, the quiz is tomorrow. If you're gonna talk to the TV... 570 00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:47,784 All right, big shot. So who bought Manhattan Island from the Indians? 571 00:27:47,791 --> 00:27:48,780 Peter Minuit. 572 00:27:48,876 --> 00:27:50,616 - What year? - 1626. 573 00:27:50,711 --> 00:27:52,576 - How much? - Twenty-four dollars. 574 00:27:52,671 --> 00:27:55,413 ...this week on Twenty-One. 575 00:27:55,924 --> 00:27:58,256 - Now back to our program. - This week on Twenty-One, 576 00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:00,797 watch Herb Stempel be fed to the Columbia Lions. 577 00:28:00,804 --> 00:28:05,798 Watch Charles Van Doren eat his first kosher meal on Twenty-One. 578 00:28:05,893 --> 00:28:09,306 What are you doing? Why aren't you dressed? 579 00:28:09,396 --> 00:28:10,476 The child has to learn. 580 00:28:11,106 --> 00:28:14,314 The child has to learn the depths that humanity can sink to. 581 00:28:14,318 --> 00:28:17,151 The tribes of the Iroquois League, Mohawks, 582 00:28:17,154 --> 00:28:18,860 - Cayugas, Oneidas... - Twenty-four bucks for Manhattan. 583 00:28:18,947 --> 00:28:20,312 First the Indians, then us. 584 00:28:20,324 --> 00:28:23,191 - What's eatin' you? - You know why they call them Indians? 585 00:28:23,285 --> 00:28:24,320 Because Columbus 586 00:28:24,328 --> 00:28:25,363 - thought he was in India. - Mohawks, Cayugas... 587 00:28:25,454 --> 00:28:27,945 They're Indians because some white guy got lost. 588 00:28:27,956 --> 00:28:31,119 You're gonna give him your ulcer. Let him grow up with his own ulcer. 589 00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:34,664 - He wouldn't let me practice my drums. - Who won Best Picture for 1955? 590 00:28:34,755 --> 00:28:36,620 - Marty. - Thank you. 591 00:28:36,715 --> 00:28:39,457 - Well, what's the problem? - Lester, do me a favor. 592 00:28:39,468 --> 00:28:42,801 Go in your bedroom, do your homework, all right? Hey, hey! 593 00:28:43,805 --> 00:28:45,295 With your books. 594 00:28:46,225 --> 00:28:48,056 Homework with your books. 595 00:28:52,231 --> 00:28:55,564 - They want me to take a dive. - What? 596 00:28:56,485 --> 00:29:00,353 They're going to ask me what won the Best Picture for 1955, 597 00:29:00,364 --> 00:29:03,356 and I have to answer On The Waterfront. 598 00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:06,988 They have to utz me with a question any child knows. 599 00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:12,532 How can they do that? I thought the questions were in a bank vault. 600 00:29:12,542 --> 00:29:15,500 They just put me in an isolation booth and pump cyanide into it. 601 00:29:15,587 --> 00:29:17,578 Herbie, they can't do that. 602 00:29:17,673 --> 00:29:19,880 - How can they do that? - Well, obviously, Toby, 603 00:29:19,883 --> 00:29:23,000 this particular question isn't in the bank vault. 604 00:29:23,178 --> 00:29:26,170 - Why? - How the hell do I know why? 605 00:29:28,892 --> 00:29:31,554 Well, then the hell with them. Just answer Marty then. 606 00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:35,725 - I already agreed. - Well, screw them. 607 00:29:35,732 --> 00:29:39,475 Let them ask you a question you really don't know. Good luck. 608 00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:47,362 You're Herbert Stempel. What are they gonna do to you? Huh? 609 00:29:47,452 --> 00:29:52,287 Judo chop into the throat. Once again, it's a judo chop. 610 00:29:52,374 --> 00:29:53,739 You're right. What could they do to me? 611 00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:55,540 Yeah. 612 00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:57,413 - Screw 'em. - Yeah. 613 00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:02,877 Remember, call him "Jack" as often as possible. 614 00:30:04,177 --> 00:30:06,543 Jack. 615 00:30:06,555 --> 00:30:08,091 Fifteen seconds. 616 00:30:08,098 --> 00:30:10,259 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 617 00:30:10,267 --> 00:30:12,428 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 618 00:30:12,436 --> 00:30:15,519 - Five. - Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 619 00:30:15,856 --> 00:30:18,222 - Watch your headroom. - Coming to air in ten, nine, 620 00:30:18,233 --> 00:30:20,815 - eight, seven... - I'm Jack Barry. 621 00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:22,233 ...six, five... - Steady, one. 622 00:30:22,321 --> 00:30:25,233 ...four, three... - Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 623 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,277 ...two, one. - Fade up. Cue up. 624 00:30:28,285 --> 00:30:29,946 Good evening. I'm Jack Barry. 625 00:30:30,037 --> 00:30:32,653 So let's meet our first two players as Geritol, 626 00:30:32,748 --> 00:30:36,332 America's #1 tonic, presents Twenty-One. 627 00:30:36,418 --> 00:30:38,704 From New York City, Mr. Charles Van Doren. 628 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,502 And returning with $69, 500, from Queens, New York... 629 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:42,579 Van Doren? 630 00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:44,585 ...Mr. Herbert Stempel. 631 00:30:44,676 --> 00:30:47,008 - Think that's his son? - Are you related in any way 632 00:30:47,095 --> 00:30:48,255 to Mark Van Doren of Columbia University... 633 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:49,423 I don't know. I guess so. 634 00:30:49,514 --> 00:30:51,470 ...The famous poet and author? - Yes, he's my father. 635 00:30:51,558 --> 00:30:52,673 He is your father. 636 00:30:52,768 --> 00:30:56,010 Yes, both he and my uncle Carl have won the Pulitzer Prize, 637 00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:59,346 and Dorothy Van Doren, the author of the recent The Country Wife, 638 00:30:59,441 --> 00:31:00,476 is my mother. 639 00:31:00,567 --> 00:31:03,104 Okay, Herb, you know something about Mr. Van Doren. 640 00:31:03,195 --> 00:31:07,859 You have $69, 500. Do you want to take it and quit while you're ahead 641 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:09,940 or risk it by playing against him? 642 00:31:15,665 --> 00:31:17,496 It's a tough decision, I know. 643 00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:21,205 - What'll it be? - I'll take a chance. 644 00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,207 You will take a chance. All right, then, here we go, gentlemen. 645 00:31:23,298 --> 00:31:26,665 You sure Herbie's on board with this? 646 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:28,796 Can I take the third part last? 647 00:31:29,971 --> 00:31:34,055 I guess that Atahualpa was the leader of the Incas at the time of the conquest. 648 00:31:34,142 --> 00:31:36,975 - Correct. - Wouldn't that be William Allen White? 649 00:31:36,978 --> 00:31:39,640 - That's correct. - I'd like to take the third part last. 650 00:31:39,648 --> 00:31:43,186 His fourth wife was Anne of Cleves. 651 00:31:43,652 --> 00:31:45,483 He divorced Catherine of Aragon. 652 00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:49,154 - He divorced her. - He beheaded Anne Boleyn. 653 00:31:49,241 --> 00:31:51,027 Well, they all died. 654 00:31:51,118 --> 00:31:54,451 Herb Stempel leads at this point by 18 to 10. 655 00:31:54,663 --> 00:31:56,995 - Herb? - Yes, Mr. Barry? 656 00:31:56,998 --> 00:32:00,741 The category is "Movies." How many points you want to try for? 657 00:32:00,836 --> 00:32:03,873 I'll try for three. Three points. 658 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:09,420 Which motion picture won the Academy Award for 1955? 659 00:32:15,684 --> 00:32:17,094 Marty. 660 00:32:26,361 --> 00:32:28,898 Best Picture. 661 00:32:31,324 --> 00:32:32,530 Marty. 662 00:32:32,784 --> 00:32:34,149 Best Picture. 663 00:32:36,121 --> 00:32:37,702 Marty. 664 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:44,201 He doesn't know it? 665 00:32:46,715 --> 00:32:50,048 All right, Herb, I'll tell you when your time is up. 666 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,717 I don't remember. I don't remember. 667 00:33:02,397 --> 00:33:04,388 Are you sure you wouldn't want to guess at it, Herb? 668 00:33:04,483 --> 00:33:06,474 - Otherwise, I'll have to call it wrong. - Wait. 669 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,309 Marty. 670 00:33:13,492 --> 00:33:16,029 Your time is up, Herb. I'll need your answer. 671 00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:19,201 Best Picture... 672 00:33:20,749 --> 00:33:23,741 ...of 1955... 673 00:33:23,835 --> 00:33:25,325 On The Waterfront? 674 00:33:27,297 --> 00:33:30,084 No, I'm sorry. The answer is Marty. 675 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:38,926 Marty. It was Marty that won the Academy Award 676 00:33:38,934 --> 00:33:41,892 for Best Picture in 1955. 677 00:33:42,938 --> 00:33:46,101 - Marty was Ernest Borgnine. - Geez, what an easy question. 678 00:33:46,358 --> 00:33:49,475 The Academy Award for 1955. You lose three points. 679 00:33:49,569 --> 00:33:53,482 You go back down to 15. Better luck on the next round. 680 00:33:53,490 --> 00:33:56,232 And now for you, Professor, the category is... 681 00:33:57,285 --> 00:33:59,150 Civil War. 682 00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:01,448 How many points you want to try for, from 1 to 11? 683 00:34:01,915 --> 00:34:04,827 Civil War. That's a... That's an awful big subject. 684 00:34:06,503 --> 00:34:09,791 Well, here goes nothing. I'll... I'll try for 11. 685 00:34:10,215 --> 00:34:13,833 Eleven points will bring you to 21, and you will be our new champion! 686 00:34:15,011 --> 00:34:17,047 Because of a disagreement with his commanding general, 687 00:34:17,138 --> 00:34:19,550 Ulysses S. Grant was virtually placed under arrest 688 00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:22,804 for a brief time early in 1862. 689 00:34:22,811 --> 00:34:26,895 Who was the commanding general of the Union Army at that time? 690 00:34:32,988 --> 00:34:34,853 Tough question. 691 00:34:34,948 --> 00:34:37,234 It's just so oddly familiar. 692 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,373 Would you like some more time? 693 00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:55,256 - Whatever you can spare. - All right. 694 00:35:02,684 --> 00:35:03,719 Do you know the name? 695 00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:13,688 Yes, I know his name. Halleck. General H.W. Halleck. 696 00:35:13,695 --> 00:35:17,859 You are our new champion for $20,000! 697 00:35:21,161 --> 00:35:24,528 Come on out, Herb. Come on out, Professor. 698 00:35:25,540 --> 00:35:27,781 Wasn't that somethin', folks? Huh? 699 00:35:28,627 --> 00:35:31,209 You feelin' all right? 700 00:35:31,296 --> 00:35:34,788 Very good. Perhaps we can get an ice pack out here for the professor. 701 00:35:34,883 --> 00:35:36,874 I suspect his gray matter is red-hot. 702 00:35:37,385 --> 00:35:39,376 I wonder if he's married. 703 00:35:39,387 --> 00:35:43,221 Our congratulations for a wonderful victory. Professor Charles Van Doren. 704 00:35:43,224 --> 00:35:47,058 I am constantly amazed at the facts these guys have at their fingertips. 705 00:35:47,062 --> 00:35:49,644 - Tough questions tonight. - Yeah. Oh, well, not really. 706 00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:53,223 Wow, you were fantastic. Hey, you better unlist your phone number. 707 00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:55,316 Can you believe the pressure? Look at him, he's soakin' wet. 708 00:35:55,403 --> 00:35:58,065 - Is this guy a natural or what? Jesus! - He's a natural. 709 00:35:58,073 --> 00:35:59,438 Do you think he's involved with anyone? 710 00:35:59,532 --> 00:36:00,567 I don't know. 711 00:36:00,659 --> 00:36:04,277 I'm gonna miss ya, Herb. You know, I'm really gonna miss this guy. 712 00:36:04,287 --> 00:36:06,243 Hey, Dan, listen, that guy is really terrific. 713 00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:07,737 We could easily beat out I Love Lucy with him. 714 00:36:07,832 --> 00:36:09,322 I know we can. 715 00:36:09,417 --> 00:36:11,248 Let's get a photo here. Oh, George. Here we go. 716 00:36:11,753 --> 00:36:15,041 Charles Van Doren. Miles Bronfman, an executive here at the network. 717 00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:16,663 Oh, there we go. 718 00:36:16,758 --> 00:36:18,248 So what do you think, Charlie? You excited? 719 00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:20,250 - Professor, can I interrupt you? - Charlie, I just wanted to... 720 00:36:20,261 --> 00:36:22,297 My son was in your father's class. 721 00:36:22,389 --> 00:36:23,754 - Oh, really? - Says he's a saint. 722 00:36:23,765 --> 00:36:26,427 Charlie, I want you to meet Bill Henderson. He promotes the show. 723 00:36:26,518 --> 00:36:28,349 - Congratulations. Sensational. - Thank you. 724 00:36:28,436 --> 00:36:29,926 Now we have a clean-cut intellectual 725 00:36:29,938 --> 00:36:31,929 instead of a freak with a sponge memory. 726 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:33,601 See you next week, Charlie. 727 00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:35,519 I don't even want to think about that. I was so nervous. 728 00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:37,441 Dan! Dan! 729 00:36:39,114 --> 00:36:41,275 So pure, it floats? Hmm? 730 00:36:41,282 --> 00:36:43,648 Are you kidding? It was great. 731 00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:46,109 Go home and have a martini. We'll talk in the morning. 732 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:49,203 Uh, I'm gonna take the stairs. 733 00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:55,873 - How did you know he'd go for it? - What would you do? 734 00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:03,464 Meanwhile, it's okay if you know the answer. 735 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:06,342 Yeah, so it's... My God, it's not like I haven't worked hard. 736 00:37:06,433 --> 00:37:09,300 I deserve $20,000 as much as anybody. 737 00:37:09,394 --> 00:37:11,350 My God! $20,000. 738 00:37:18,111 --> 00:37:21,569 The highest navigable lake in the world is, 739 00:37:21,656 --> 00:37:24,318 - Lake Titicaca. - Lake Titicaca. 740 00:37:24,325 --> 00:37:27,817 - That'd have to be Lake Titicaca. - Correct for ten points! 741 00:37:29,164 --> 00:37:32,531 Michel Montaigne. Around his neck, 742 00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:36,493 Montaigne wore a medallion which read, "What do I know?" 743 00:37:36,504 --> 00:37:38,870 Hello. This is Herb Stempel calling for Mr. Enright. 744 00:37:38,882 --> 00:37:40,497 I'm terribly sorry. He's not in. 745 00:37:40,508 --> 00:37:43,420 Our current reigning champion, from New York, New York, 746 00:37:43,511 --> 00:37:45,342 Mr. Charles Van Doren. 747 00:37:47,056 --> 00:37:50,514 ... twenty-four hours, Geritol liquid, or now, in new... 748 00:37:50,602 --> 00:37:54,186 It's the only town house available in the Village. 749 00:37:56,149 --> 00:37:57,480 I'll take it. 750 00:37:57,692 --> 00:37:59,933 Will do. It's just that he's out of the office right now... 751 00:38:00,028 --> 00:38:01,393 This is Herb Stempel. 752 00:38:01,488 --> 00:38:03,695 This is about the 17th time I've called. 753 00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:05,905 I guess William Pitt, the Elder. 754 00:38:05,909 --> 00:38:07,194 You have 21! 755 00:38:09,954 --> 00:38:12,570 Come to me, Charlie. Good. Smile. Hold the bag right there. 756 00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:14,201 Hold it right there. Good. 757 00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:15,748 Here, Professor Van Doren turns in 758 00:38:15,752 --> 00:38:17,458 the evidence of his amazing popularity, 759 00:38:17,545 --> 00:38:20,207 thousands of letters a week for the egghead turned national hero. 760 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:22,380 Winnings to date, $50,000! 761 00:38:22,467 --> 00:38:25,209 Hey, Charlie! The check's in the mail. 762 00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:27,211 - Is Mr. Enright in? - I'm sorry. He's not right now. 763 00:38:27,222 --> 00:38:28,803 This is Herb Stempel. You tell him that 764 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:30,630 he promised that he would call me back, 765 00:38:30,725 --> 00:38:32,716 and if he doesn't, something is going to happen. 766 00:38:32,811 --> 00:38:33,926 - Do you understand that? - I understand. 767 00:38:34,020 --> 00:38:35,976 That's right. Okay, bye. 768 00:38:43,738 --> 00:38:45,899 You just tell Mr. Enright that if he doesn't want to talk to me, 769 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:47,651 maybe the district attorney would like to talk to me. 770 00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:49,232 If he wants to play hardball, I'll play hardball. 771 00:38:49,327 --> 00:38:50,407 Very well. 772 00:38:50,495 --> 00:38:53,282 - Good morning, Mr. Van Doren. - Hello. 773 00:39:08,137 --> 00:39:10,469 And returning with $83,000, 774 00:39:10,473 --> 00:39:13,965 our champion, after seven weeks, Charles Van Doren. 775 00:39:15,562 --> 00:39:16,642 Welcome to Twenty-One, gentlemen. 776 00:39:16,771 --> 00:39:19,103 - Evening, Jack. - Charlie... 777 00:39:20,567 --> 00:39:23,104 Gentlemen, please. 778 00:39:27,782 --> 00:39:32,196 It was a totally humiliating experience. All my friends knew that I loved Marty. 779 00:39:32,287 --> 00:39:34,198 It's one of my favorite films. 780 00:39:34,289 --> 00:39:36,746 I saw it three times. It's about a boy in the Bronx... 781 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,127 Mr. Enright will see you now. 782 00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:50,634 Have a seat, Herb. 783 00:39:57,937 --> 00:39:59,473 Thanks for comin' up. 784 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,846 I feel we have some unfinished business we need to hash out. 785 00:40:01,941 --> 00:40:04,148 I have some unfinished business with you, too. 786 00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:06,692 This whole thing with the grand jury and the things you said, 787 00:40:06,779 --> 00:40:09,145 well, they hurt me. 788 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,902 I can't tell you how... Well, they hurt me deeply. 789 00:40:11,993 --> 00:40:15,156 - I told the truth. - There you go again. 790 00:40:15,246 --> 00:40:17,828 You promised me, Dan. You promised that you'd help me out. 791 00:40:17,832 --> 00:40:20,744 Don't you think that I want to help you more than I already have? 792 00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:22,541 But the point is, you've made it impossible. 793 00:40:22,629 --> 00:40:23,664 Look, you want me to apologize? 794 00:40:23,755 --> 00:40:26,747 - I want you to sign this statement. - I apologize. 795 00:40:26,841 --> 00:40:28,502 What kind of statement? 796 00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:31,004 It clears me and the show of any wrongdoing. 797 00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:35,175 - What about the panel show? - See? That's a perfect example. 798 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:39,509 I told you I'd do what I could, and I did. I put your name on a list. 799 00:40:40,229 --> 00:40:41,890 You put me on a list? That's it? 800 00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:44,772 N BC owns our company. Everything goes through them. 801 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:48,568 N BC bought your company for two million bucks. What about me? 802 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:51,529 People watched me on that show. Look. Look. Look at this. 803 00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:53,356 - Oh, Herb, don't start... - "He has become a friend 804 00:40:53,368 --> 00:40:55,199 "in over 50 million homes, 805 00:40:55,203 --> 00:40:58,866 "whose weekly visits the whole family eagerly anticipates." 806 00:40:58,873 --> 00:41:02,411 - I was a friend, too, in 50 million homes. - Look, what can I tell you, Herb? 807 00:41:02,418 --> 00:41:04,784 - Life is unfair. - Life is unfair to me. 808 00:41:04,879 --> 00:41:07,086 Life's not unfair to Charles Van Doren. 809 00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:09,038 Remember how he snubbed me after the show? 810 00:41:09,133 --> 00:41:10,122 There'll be other shows. 811 00:41:10,218 --> 00:41:13,381 What other shows? I need the money, Dan. 812 00:41:13,388 --> 00:41:16,755 What? How could you need the money? 813 00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:19,716 It's gone. I mean it's invested. It's tied up. It's... 814 00:41:19,727 --> 00:41:23,219 - Well, can't you talk to your broker? - He's not a broker. 815 00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:25,305 He's more of a bookmaker. It's seed money. 816 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,358 He's setting up in Florida right now. He says it's the next growth area. 817 00:41:28,778 --> 00:41:31,736 You gave your money to a bookie who skipped town? 818 00:41:31,823 --> 00:41:35,315 I want what I have coming, Dan. I have to get back on television. 819 00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:38,026 - Herb, I'm gonna... - Show me this list. Where's this list? 820 00:41:38,204 --> 00:41:41,162 I submitted a list of 45 names. 821 00:41:41,249 --> 00:41:43,160 They rejected three. You were one of them. 822 00:41:44,377 --> 00:41:47,164 That big uncircumcised putz is on the cover of Time magazine, 823 00:41:47,255 --> 00:41:49,621 and I can't even make the top 42 for a panel show. 824 00:41:49,632 --> 00:41:52,590 Look, maybe you could warm up the audience before the show. 825 00:41:52,677 --> 00:41:55,760 - I could throw you 50 bucks a week. - Fifty bucks a week? 826 00:41:55,763 --> 00:41:57,628 That should be me on the cover of Time. 827 00:41:57,724 --> 00:42:00,466 - Shit, Herb, just sign the statement. - Charles Van Doren. 828 00:42:00,476 --> 00:42:02,967 He wouldn't know the answer to a doorbell if you didn't give it to him. 829 00:42:02,979 --> 00:42:05,015 Sign the statement, and get on with your life! 830 00:42:05,106 --> 00:42:07,973 Sign the statement, Herb. Sign the statement. Who cares if it's true? 831 00:42:07,984 --> 00:42:10,851 - I'm giving you a chance. - You promised me! 832 00:42:10,945 --> 00:42:12,151 You get me that panel show, 833 00:42:12,238 --> 00:42:15,150 or I'm gonna bring you down with me, ya lousy, lyin' prick! 834 00:42:15,241 --> 00:42:17,607 - You and Charles Van fuckin' Doren! - No, you're not. 835 00:42:17,702 --> 00:42:19,988 I'll just tell everyone that it's a fraud. That'll warm 'em up. 836 00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,286 "The fix is in, this week on Twenty-One." 837 00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:23,453 When's my next appointment? 838 00:42:23,458 --> 00:42:26,825 The cover of Time? His mug shot will be on the cover of Time! 839 00:42:30,298 --> 00:42:32,960 What the hell happened? 840 00:42:33,051 --> 00:42:34,416 Oy. 841 00:42:35,219 --> 00:42:37,631 Why am I the only one workin' this mornin'? 842 00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:39,132 You got here earlier, Mooie. 843 00:42:39,223 --> 00:42:42,215 "Demonstrators stoned Vice President Nixon's motorcade 844 00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:43,299 "as it proceeded through Caracas." 845 00:42:43,936 --> 00:42:46,302 Gee, Dick, what's the New York Times say? Same thing? 846 00:42:46,397 --> 00:42:47,477 Generally. 847 00:42:47,482 --> 00:42:50,974 Most people who live in Washington settle for the Washington papers. 848 00:42:51,069 --> 00:42:52,809 Well, the Times is the paper of record. 849 00:42:52,904 --> 00:42:54,644 - Ah. - Ooh. 850 00:42:55,281 --> 00:42:57,863 Dick hopes someday to be confused with an important person. 851 00:42:57,992 --> 00:43:01,155 "Although the crowd was cordoned off at a distance of a hundred yards, 852 00:43:01,245 --> 00:43:05,830 "an unidentified Venezuelan struck Nixon in the head with a thrown onion." 853 00:43:07,001 --> 00:43:08,161 The Senators should sign this guy. 854 00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:11,039 Did you guys know there was a grand jury in New York on the quiz shows? 855 00:43:11,047 --> 00:43:12,583 Jim Lemon can't even hit the cutoff man. 856 00:43:12,673 --> 00:43:14,664 This guy throws a 300-foot strike with an onion. 857 00:43:14,675 --> 00:43:17,712 - Have they come up with anything? - They sealed the presentment. 858 00:43:17,804 --> 00:43:20,261 - That's a no. - Why do you say that? 859 00:43:20,348 --> 00:43:21,838 A presentment's a statement of findings. 860 00:43:21,933 --> 00:43:25,346 If there were anything in it, they'd want to release it to the public, right? 861 00:43:25,353 --> 00:43:28,845 If the purpose is to make findings public, then why keep it a secret? 862 00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:35,901 Why seal the presentment? It's illogical. 863 00:43:35,905 --> 00:43:38,237 - It's a local matter. - It's television. 864 00:43:38,324 --> 00:43:41,532 Whoa. TV. 865 00:43:41,536 --> 00:43:42,901 It's under our jurisdiction, right? 866 00:43:42,995 --> 00:43:44,701 I mean, we have oversight over all the agencies. 867 00:43:44,789 --> 00:43:45,949 It includes the F.C.C. 868 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,372 You're gonna investigate a dead investigation? 869 00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:52,452 We're gonna put television on trial. Television. 870 00:43:52,547 --> 00:43:54,458 Everybody in the country'll know about it. 871 00:43:57,718 --> 00:44:01,210 - What do you have? - There's somethin' there. 872 00:44:01,305 --> 00:44:04,047 Mr. Chairman, I'll find it. 873 00:44:05,726 --> 00:44:09,093 The networks, pharmaceutical industry? 874 00:44:09,188 --> 00:44:11,930 Cosmetics? 875 00:44:11,941 --> 00:44:15,149 That's big game, son. You don't go huntin' in your underwear. 876 00:44:15,236 --> 00:44:19,650 Sir, I smell somethin'. At least give me a chance to see what I can dig up. 877 00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:21,731 Let me go up to New York. 878 00:44:22,201 --> 00:44:25,068 This isn't some junket for you to stay in a hotel 879 00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:26,364 and see a Broadway show. 880 00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:30,740 I'm givin' you exactly one week to find something. You get that? 881 00:44:31,544 --> 00:44:35,913 Unseal a presentment. I don't know. 882 00:44:35,923 --> 00:44:39,632 I don't know how you go about that. I've never... 883 00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:43,093 Oh, here you go. Look at this. 884 00:44:43,181 --> 00:44:47,140 Hasn't been a presentment under seal in the State of New York since 1869. 885 00:44:47,226 --> 00:44:48,591 That explains it. 886 00:44:48,603 --> 00:44:50,810 - 1869? - Yeah. 887 00:44:51,606 --> 00:44:55,519 Counselor, I've reviewed in detail the material submitted in your request. 888 00:44:55,610 --> 00:44:57,601 A man's reputation is coin of the realm to him. 889 00:44:57,695 --> 00:45:00,107 I sealed this presentment 890 00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:03,026 to protect the reputations of those unfairly implicated 891 00:45:03,117 --> 00:45:06,701 by a certain mentally unstable finger-pointer. 892 00:45:06,787 --> 00:45:11,030 That interest, along with important issues of federalism, 893 00:45:11,292 --> 00:45:14,125 dictate that I reject your committee's request at this time. 894 00:45:22,053 --> 00:45:24,510 Mr. Enright's office. Mr. Enright? 895 00:45:24,972 --> 00:45:26,803 It's Judge Schweitzer. 896 00:45:43,032 --> 00:45:44,818 - Yes? - H i. Miss Mitchell? 897 00:45:44,909 --> 00:45:46,524 - Uh-huh. - My name is Richard Goodwin. 898 00:45:46,535 --> 00:45:49,322 I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 899 00:45:49,330 --> 00:45:52,197 We've been investigating the quiz shows recently. 900 00:45:52,208 --> 00:45:53,869 I was wondering if I could ask you a quick question. 901 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,325 Oh! I've got people. 902 00:45:56,837 --> 00:45:58,668 Could I just have a moment of your time? 903 00:45:58,756 --> 00:45:59,871 No. 904 00:45:59,966 --> 00:46:03,083 I was curious how many episodes you appeared on. 905 00:46:03,177 --> 00:46:05,008 - Not very many. No. - How... 906 00:46:05,012 --> 00:46:06,001 Three weeks. 907 00:46:06,097 --> 00:46:08,088 Did anyone ever ask you not to talk to anyone? 908 00:46:12,061 --> 00:46:14,393 The Today Show with Dave Garroway, 909 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,563 and Dave's regular co-host, Mr. J. Fred Muggs. 910 00:46:17,650 --> 00:46:20,392 Dave's guests this morning are, the Aga Khan, 911 00:46:20,486 --> 00:46:23,398 Lyle Goodhue, inventor of the aerosol spray can, 912 00:46:23,489 --> 00:46:26,572 and quiz champion Charles Van Doren. 913 00:46:26,575 --> 00:46:29,237 Take a look at that. Look at that. You see that? 914 00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:31,569 Yes. Uh-huh. 915 00:46:31,580 --> 00:46:34,367 Well, you have that conversation, and I'm gonna begin the show. 916 00:46:34,375 --> 00:46:36,582 I'll see you, Mr. Muggs. 917 00:46:36,669 --> 00:46:39,411 Good morning. 918 00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:41,245 - And good morning, Charlie. - Good morning, Dave. 919 00:46:41,257 --> 00:46:43,418 - How are you this morning? - I'm fine, thank you. 920 00:46:43,509 --> 00:46:47,548 I see we have an unusually large crowd outside there this morning. 921 00:46:47,638 --> 00:46:50,220 - So how long has it been now, Charlie? - It's been nine weeks now. 922 00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:52,636 - And you've won how much? - $93,000. 923 00:46:52,727 --> 00:46:55,560 - H mm, so that's $ 10,000 a week. - That's right. 924 00:46:55,646 --> 00:46:58,433 Although last week, I know you were preempted for another program. 925 00:46:58,441 --> 00:47:02,150 Well, that's the problem with television. The pay's good, but it's not that steady. 926 00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:05,603 Don't remind me. I'm up for renewal. 927 00:47:05,698 --> 00:47:07,404 So tell us about the book you're working on. 928 00:47:07,491 --> 00:47:09,447 Well, it's called Lincoln's Commando, 929 00:47:09,452 --> 00:47:12,068 and I hope people will find it as interesting as I do. 930 00:47:12,163 --> 00:47:14,404 How do you think Honest Abe would do on a quiz show? 931 00:47:16,125 --> 00:47:18,332 - Honest Abe? - Yeah. 932 00:47:18,419 --> 00:47:20,410 Well, I think he'd do very well. 933 00:47:20,421 --> 00:47:23,413 And, of course, on a show like this, he'd be wonderful. 934 00:47:23,507 --> 00:47:25,247 I'm sure he would. 935 00:47:36,187 --> 00:47:37,427 Here we are, Professor. 936 00:47:37,855 --> 00:47:40,187 Yeah, I'm just... I just have to tie my shoe. 937 00:48:00,753 --> 00:48:02,869 - Hi, Mr. Van Doren. - Hey, Mr. Van Doren. 938 00:48:02,963 --> 00:48:05,329 - Oh! - Hey! 939 00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:10,843 - Oh! - Good morning. H i. 940 00:48:10,846 --> 00:48:12,962 - Good morning, Mr. Van Doren. - Good morning. 941 00:48:13,057 --> 00:48:15,218 - Where's the monkey? - I saw you on TV this morning. 942 00:48:15,309 --> 00:48:18,847 Is Thomas Merton Episcopalian or Catholic? 943 00:48:18,854 --> 00:48:20,435 Catholic. 944 00:48:21,690 --> 00:48:24,147 Hello. Are you here for office hours? 945 00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:27,309 Oh, no. I'm Richard Goodwin. 946 00:48:27,321 --> 00:48:30,028 - Did Clark Byse call? - Clark Byse? No, he didn't. 947 00:48:30,116 --> 00:48:32,357 See, I'm up from Washington. He suggested I might look you up. 948 00:48:32,451 --> 00:48:35,614 - You're not a stockbroker, are you? - Lawyer, which is bad enough. 949 00:48:35,913 --> 00:48:38,871 - Professor Byse taught me Contracts. - Then we have something in common. 950 00:48:38,874 --> 00:48:40,410 He taught me my backhand. 951 00:48:40,501 --> 00:48:42,662 I'm with the House Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 952 00:48:42,670 --> 00:48:44,001 I've been swarmed by stockbrokers lately. 953 00:48:44,088 --> 00:48:46,830 I feel like a girl with a bad reputation. 954 00:48:46,841 --> 00:48:49,799 The Committee has jurisdiction over television. 955 00:48:52,638 --> 00:48:54,469 I'm sorry. Please have a seat. 956 00:48:54,723 --> 00:48:56,429 Thank you. 957 00:48:59,186 --> 00:49:03,680 You must have done very well at Harvard. Clark doesn't like anyone. 958 00:49:03,691 --> 00:49:05,682 I was, uh, actually first in my class. 959 00:49:05,776 --> 00:49:07,858 - You make it sound like an affliction. - Well... 960 00:49:07,945 --> 00:49:09,025 Did you clerk? 961 00:49:09,029 --> 00:49:10,439 - Frankfurter. - Oh, really? Hmm. 962 00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:13,731 It's nothin'. I tell you, what I love is what you do, literature. 963 00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:18,198 Well, hell, if I was first in my class, I'd get a tattoo. 964 00:49:18,831 --> 00:49:21,573 So, what brings you to New York, Dick, literature? 965 00:49:21,667 --> 00:49:22,873 Let me ask ya. 966 00:49:23,169 --> 00:49:26,377 Did you ever notice anything out of the ordinary about the quiz show you're on? 967 00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:28,162 What? 968 00:49:29,091 --> 00:49:30,752 Anything suspect. Anything at all. 969 00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:33,588 You mean besides its popularity? 970 00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:34,714 What I'm hoping is that 971 00:49:34,722 --> 00:49:36,587 you might be able to give me some kind of road map here. 972 00:49:36,682 --> 00:49:39,048 - I feel like we speak the same language. - Well, of course. 973 00:49:39,059 --> 00:49:41,425 Anything I can do to help. 974 00:49:41,437 --> 00:49:42,893 - Oh, um, Mr. Van Doren. - Yes? Yes, yes. 975 00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:44,936 I'm sorry. I'm in your class on the Romantics, and... 976 00:49:45,024 --> 00:49:46,013 Of course you are. 977 00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:49,441 I... Actually, I'm auditing it because you've been on television. 978 00:49:49,528 --> 00:49:52,565 - Do you... Should I come back later? - Oh, if you don't mind... 979 00:49:52,573 --> 00:49:53,653 - I'll come back. - I tell you what. 980 00:49:53,741 --> 00:49:55,231 Why don't you meet me tomorrow? 981 00:49:55,242 --> 00:49:57,949 - I'll take you to lunch at the Athenaeum. - The what? 982 00:49:57,953 --> 00:50:00,239 I'm sorry. The Athenaeum Club at Forty-third and Fifth? 983 00:50:00,331 --> 00:50:02,993 Say, tomorrow at noon? 984 00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:04,789 - Lunch at The Athenaeum. - At noon. 985 00:50:04,793 --> 00:50:05,908 - Great. - Great. See you then. 986 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,332 I wanted to talk to you about Ode on a Grecian Urn. 987 00:50:08,422 --> 00:50:10,333 "Beauty is truth, truth, beauty. 988 00:50:10,424 --> 00:50:13,336 "That is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know." 989 00:50:13,427 --> 00:50:14,758 Does he really mean that about beauty and truth? 990 00:50:14,762 --> 00:50:16,468 Why foster child? I don't under... 991 00:50:16,931 --> 00:50:18,796 Congress investigates communists. 992 00:50:18,891 --> 00:50:21,803 Congress investigates mobsters. That is not me. 993 00:50:21,894 --> 00:50:25,432 Yeah, well, look on the bright side. You'll be on national television. 994 00:50:25,439 --> 00:50:27,430 - That's a joke, Charlie. - Well, that's not funny. 995 00:50:27,525 --> 00:50:28,856 - Charles Van Doren. - It's just not funny. 996 00:50:28,943 --> 00:50:31,150 Hey! Charles Van Doren! 997 00:50:31,153 --> 00:50:33,144 - How ya doin'? - I'm worried about this. 998 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,606 - Yeah, well, look, I... Who was that? - It's just some guy. 999 00:50:36,617 --> 00:50:38,357 Well, look, I already know about this guy Goodwin, 1000 00:50:38,452 --> 00:50:39,783 and I'm on top of it. So trust me. 1001 00:50:39,787 --> 00:50:41,152 - You callin' Information? - You don't understand. 1002 00:50:41,247 --> 00:50:42,327 What are you dialin' for? 1003 00:50:42,331 --> 00:50:43,366 - Oh, for information? - I have a name. 1004 00:50:43,457 --> 00:50:46,790 Charles Van Doren, he's dialin' for information. 1005 00:50:46,877 --> 00:50:49,994 Hey, Chuck, what do you do? Chuckie! Answer this question. 1006 00:50:50,005 --> 00:50:51,336 I'm sorry. I gotta go. 1007 00:50:51,340 --> 00:50:53,831 What street do I live on in Brooklyn, huh? 1008 00:50:53,842 --> 00:50:56,675 - Did you tell him anything? - No, no, I didn't... 1009 00:50:56,762 --> 00:50:59,219 I gotta go. I gotta go! I've gotta go! 1010 00:50:59,306 --> 00:51:02,548 Come on! Let's go! Hey, Chuck, how ya doin'? How ya holdin' up? All right? 1011 00:51:02,643 --> 00:51:04,554 Hey, can I get an autograph for my wife? 1012 00:51:04,645 --> 00:51:06,476 Give me an autograph for my wife! 1013 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,017 Come on, Charles, don't be a snob. Give me an autograph for my wife! 1014 00:51:09,775 --> 00:51:11,982 So Sandra says what's ever on her mind. 1015 00:51:11,986 --> 00:51:14,193 And you've been married how long? 1016 00:51:14,196 --> 00:51:16,312 Five years. You? 1017 00:51:16,865 --> 00:51:20,153 Oh, no. I'm supposed to be fixed up with this girl 1018 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,993 on the cover of the new Harper's Bazaar, but... 1019 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,662 - Well, you know how that is. - Yeah. 1020 00:51:26,834 --> 00:51:29,826 - Waldorf salad for you, Mr. Van Doren. - Oh, thank you. 1021 00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:32,661 - And a Reuben sandwich. - Thank you. 1022 00:51:34,675 --> 00:51:35,755 - So... - Oh. 1023 00:51:37,845 --> 00:51:40,427 What do you know about this grand jury investigation, Charlie? 1024 00:51:41,348 --> 00:51:43,509 Oh, I remember Dan mentioned something about this, 1025 00:51:43,601 --> 00:51:46,593 that it was all some... Some wild goose chase. 1026 00:51:47,896 --> 00:51:49,932 Uh, a political thing. 1027 00:51:50,357 --> 00:51:53,349 They talk so fast in that business. Half of it goes right past me. 1028 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,395 Dan? 1029 00:51:54,486 --> 00:51:57,148 Enright. He's really the one to talk to. 1030 00:51:57,489 --> 00:52:00,276 - You know if he testified? - Uh, uh, more water? 1031 00:52:03,078 --> 00:52:06,195 You can reach him at N BC. Dan Enright. 1032 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:14,662 So, how long have you been with this committee, Dick? 1033 00:52:15,174 --> 00:52:19,042 Six months. Seemed like a good way to postpone the inevitable. 1034 00:52:19,303 --> 00:52:22,887 Postpone the inevitable. Is there a spot for me? 1035 00:52:24,058 --> 00:52:25,798 I mean Wall Street. 1036 00:52:25,893 --> 00:52:27,429 Oh. 1037 00:52:30,606 --> 00:52:33,723 So, back to this grand jury business. 1038 00:52:33,734 --> 00:52:35,349 - I'm wondering... - Oh. 1039 00:52:35,903 --> 00:52:38,360 - Dad. - Charlie. 1040 00:52:39,573 --> 00:52:41,188 Excuse me, Frank. 1041 00:52:42,242 --> 00:52:43,948 This is a surprise. 1042 00:52:44,578 --> 00:52:47,445 How are you, son? We share an office, and I never see you anymore. 1043 00:52:47,539 --> 00:52:49,575 I'm there, Dad. I'm just hiding behind your reputation. 1044 00:52:49,583 --> 00:52:52,074 No, I'm serious. We all miss you at home. 1045 00:52:52,086 --> 00:52:53,792 Please, join us. Dad, this is Dick Goodwin. 1046 00:52:53,796 --> 00:52:55,081 He's up from Washington. 1047 00:52:55,089 --> 00:52:57,455 - Narrow escape. - Dad doesn't like Washington. 1048 00:52:57,549 --> 00:53:00,712 A swamp that traded malaria for politics. 1049 00:53:02,805 --> 00:53:04,796 - What's the special? - It's the Reuben. 1050 00:53:06,266 --> 00:53:09,599 Reuben sandwich is the only entirely invented sandwich. 1051 00:53:09,687 --> 00:53:12,178 Won the National Sandwich Contest two years ago. 1052 00:53:12,272 --> 00:53:15,105 - A salient point. Who invented it? - Reuben Kay. 1053 00:53:15,192 --> 00:53:18,355 - At a poker game in Omaha. - I knew there was a "K" in Nebraska. 1054 00:53:18,821 --> 00:53:20,982 Unfortunately, they have the sandwich here, 1055 00:53:21,073 --> 00:53:22,813 but they don't seem to have any Reubens. 1056 00:53:26,286 --> 00:53:28,698 - Touché. - Dick's a protégé of Clark Byse. 1057 00:53:28,956 --> 00:53:31,197 I just finished a clerkship with Justice Frankfurter. 1058 00:53:31,583 --> 00:53:32,663 Of course you did. 1059 00:53:32,751 --> 00:53:36,118 Frankfurter collects brains the way other people collect stamps. 1060 00:53:36,463 --> 00:53:38,249 Did you happen to see the show Monday, Dad? 1061 00:53:38,507 --> 00:53:41,123 Monday. Uh, we were with Bunny Wilson. 1062 00:53:41,135 --> 00:53:43,467 Oh, no, it's nothing. Just there was a question about Hawthorne. 1063 00:53:43,554 --> 00:53:46,796 Oh, well, you know how it is with Bunny once he gets going. 1064 00:53:46,807 --> 00:53:49,139 So, Dick, Charlie invite you to his poker game yet? 1065 00:53:49,226 --> 00:53:50,966 He's a helluva poker player. 1066 00:53:51,061 --> 00:53:52,972 We have a regular game Thursday nights, 1067 00:53:52,980 --> 00:53:54,470 just some friends I went to school with. 1068 00:53:54,481 --> 00:53:56,017 You're welcome to come over next week. 1069 00:53:56,024 --> 00:53:57,309 Are you a gambler, Dick? 1070 00:53:58,152 --> 00:54:01,610 I don't know if I'm a gambler. I know which end of an ace is up. 1071 00:54:02,406 --> 00:54:06,319 Well, Dick, if you look round the table and you can't tell who the sucker is, 1072 00:54:07,536 --> 00:54:08,821 it's you. 1073 00:54:10,873 --> 00:54:12,909 Yeah, Dan Enright, please. 1074 00:54:15,335 --> 00:54:16,825 Uh, Dick Goodwin. 1075 00:54:21,467 --> 00:54:24,004 Uh, no. Actually, I'll just call back. Thanks. 1076 00:54:24,094 --> 00:54:27,507 "Name the three heavyweight champions who preceded Joe Louis." 1077 00:54:27,514 --> 00:54:30,096 Oh, I know that. Uh, Jim Braddock. 1078 00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:33,012 - Mmm-hmm. - Max Baer. 1079 00:54:34,188 --> 00:54:35,348 And... 1080 00:54:37,691 --> 00:54:39,682 - Damn. - Primo Carnera. 1081 00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:42,522 - Primo Carnera. Of course. - Yeah, good old Primo. 1082 00:54:42,613 --> 00:54:44,524 I was there that night at the Garden, the night Baer beat him. 1083 00:54:44,531 --> 00:54:45,611 - Really? - Yeah. 1084 00:54:45,699 --> 00:54:48,736 The big guinea. 12 times Baer knocked him down. 1085 00:54:48,827 --> 00:54:50,067 Al, I've been thinking. 1086 00:54:50,078 --> 00:54:52,945 Maybe you shouldn't give me the answers anymore. 1087 00:54:55,459 --> 00:54:58,371 Now what do you wanna do that for, Professor? 1088 00:54:58,462 --> 00:55:01,579 Charlie, you're doin' the right thing, really. 1089 00:55:01,673 --> 00:55:02,913 Everybody's makin' money. 1090 00:55:03,008 --> 00:55:04,418 Well, what if you just gave me the questions 1091 00:55:04,510 --> 00:55:06,296 and I could look up the answers on my own? 1092 00:55:06,386 --> 00:55:09,469 I mean, don't you think that'd be... Well, be less egregious. 1093 00:55:12,726 --> 00:55:14,512 Only in the balcony. 1094 00:55:15,896 --> 00:55:17,761 You know about that. 1095 00:55:17,856 --> 00:55:20,347 All right. Now, your consequence... 1096 00:55:21,401 --> 00:55:25,144 Doesn't want the answers anymore. Just wants the questions. 1097 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,481 - Who? - "Who." The Great White Hope. 1098 00:55:32,246 --> 00:55:33,952 Dan, what the hell is "egregious"? 1099 00:55:34,748 --> 00:55:36,454 He just wants the questions? 1100 00:55:38,418 --> 00:55:40,409 Excuse me. Mr. Noland? 1101 00:55:40,504 --> 00:55:42,290 - Yeah? - My name is Richard Goodwin. 1102 00:55:42,381 --> 00:55:44,838 I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative... 1103 00:55:44,925 --> 00:55:46,131 Ah. 1104 00:55:46,134 --> 00:55:49,297 No, no, I don't wanna say anything. No, can't help you. 1105 00:55:49,304 --> 00:55:50,919 I told them everything I had to say. 1106 00:55:50,931 --> 00:55:52,887 Everything I knew, I told them. 1107 00:56:04,444 --> 00:56:05,524 Yeah? 1108 00:56:05,612 --> 00:56:07,853 Mr. Stempel. My name is Dick Goodwin. 1109 00:56:07,948 --> 00:56:10,815 I'm an investigator with the Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight 1110 00:56:10,826 --> 00:56:12,316 of the U. S. Congress. 1111 00:56:12,327 --> 00:56:13,362 Yeah? 1112 00:56:13,453 --> 00:56:15,489 Did you recently testify before a grand jury? 1113 00:56:15,581 --> 00:56:16,616 Yeah. 1114 00:56:16,623 --> 00:56:19,740 Well, if you have a minute, I'd really like to talk to you about it. 1115 00:56:21,712 --> 00:56:23,168 Gee. 1116 00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:26,463 Finally. I knew it was just a matter of time. 1117 00:56:26,550 --> 00:56:27,790 Come in. 1118 00:56:30,095 --> 00:56:32,632 Didn't you go to City College? 1119 00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,254 - Harvard. - Toby. 1120 00:56:36,476 --> 00:56:38,683 This is my wife, Toby. This is Mr. Goodwin. 1121 00:56:38,770 --> 00:56:41,136 He's an investigator from the United States Congress. 1122 00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:45,144 Would you like a cup of coffee, Mr... I already got the pot on. 1123 00:56:45,152 --> 00:56:46,733 I tell ya, that sounds great, actually. 1124 00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:50,145 And bring some rugulach if there are any left. 1125 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,073 I love my wife, but it's like livin' with a plague of locusts. 1126 00:56:54,244 --> 00:56:56,155 If Charles Van Doren told 'em what I told 'em, 1127 00:56:56,246 --> 00:56:58,988 do you think this whole grand jury thing would be squashed? 1128 00:56:59,207 --> 00:57:02,324 - Quashed. It's not "squashed." - Not in a million years. 1129 00:57:02,336 --> 00:57:03,496 Quashed, okay? 1130 00:57:03,587 --> 00:57:05,373 What exactly did you tell the grand jury? 1131 00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:07,416 - Have one. - No, thanks. 1132 00:57:07,507 --> 00:57:09,839 Lester, will you knock it off for 10 minutes? 1133 00:57:09,927 --> 00:57:13,044 Come on. They're a Jewish delicacy. Before Toby eats it. 1134 00:57:13,055 --> 00:57:16,718 - I'm retainin' water for your information. - You and the Grand Coulee Dam. 1135 00:57:16,725 --> 00:57:18,215 Come on. You don't know what you're missing. 1136 00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:20,676 I'm quite familiar with rugulach, thank you. 1137 00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:26,557 - How'd a guy like you get into Harvard? - Capped teeth. 1138 00:57:26,568 --> 00:57:29,059 Lester. 1139 00:57:29,071 --> 00:57:31,904 Herb, what exactly did you tell the grand jury? 1140 00:57:32,407 --> 00:57:35,194 No, you can't ask me that. It's... It's sealed. It's illegal. 1141 00:57:37,037 --> 00:57:39,528 Well, just between us. 1142 00:57:41,166 --> 00:57:43,248 They made me take a dive. Marty. 1143 00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:46,873 They made me lose on Marty just to humiliate me. 1144 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,246 - Who made you take a dive? - Dan Enright. 1145 00:57:49,257 --> 00:57:51,919 He told me I had plateaued, that the ratings had plateaued. 1146 00:57:51,927 --> 00:57:53,588 A sinking ship and the rats stayed. 1147 00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:55,419 Do you think in a million years I wouldn't know Marty, 1148 00:57:55,514 --> 00:57:56,924 and meanwhile, Charles Van Moron 1149 00:57:57,015 --> 00:57:58,721 would be on the show 11 weeks in a row? 1150 00:57:58,725 --> 00:58:01,558 I don't understand. How could they make you take a dive? 1151 00:58:01,561 --> 00:58:02,767 What? 1152 00:58:02,854 --> 00:58:05,095 Why didn't you just answer Marty if you knew it? 1153 00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:07,602 What, and throw away his future in television? 1154 00:58:07,693 --> 00:58:10,810 Would you please go inside and tell Gene Krupa to take five? 1155 00:58:11,238 --> 00:58:12,774 Lester. Lester! 1156 00:58:12,781 --> 00:58:16,239 You're so naive. It's a fix. It's all... It's all a fix. 1157 00:58:16,243 --> 00:58:19,656 A setup. I made a study of it. They always follow a Jew with a Gentile. 1158 00:58:19,746 --> 00:58:23,079 And the Gentile wins more money. What is that, a coincidence? 1159 00:58:23,083 --> 00:58:25,449 Herb, you're saying this whole grand jury thing was because of you. 1160 00:58:25,460 --> 00:58:29,044 You know what you have to do? You have to nail Van Doren. 1161 00:58:29,506 --> 00:58:30,746 Are you gonna nail Van Doren? 1162 00:58:30,757 --> 00:58:32,588 Look, first of all, I'm not here to nail anyone, okay? 1163 00:58:32,592 --> 00:58:33,752 This isn't McCarthyism. 1164 00:58:33,844 --> 00:58:35,630 Listen, think about what McCarthyism did for McCarthy. 1165 00:58:35,637 --> 00:58:36,672 Let me ask you something. 1166 00:58:36,763 --> 00:58:38,628 Do you have any corroborative evidence to what you're saying? 1167 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,301 Listen to me. Don't make necessarily 1168 00:58:40,392 --> 00:58:42,804 the mistakes that I might have made in life. 1169 00:58:42,894 --> 00:58:44,600 Think about your career. 1170 00:58:44,604 --> 00:58:46,640 You nail Van Doren, it'll be bigger than Sputnik. 1171 00:58:46,648 --> 00:58:50,687 It'll be like a big, blond Sputnik crashing right down on his, whew, friggin' head. 1172 00:58:54,489 --> 00:58:57,276 Charlie? Hi. Dick Goodwin. 1173 00:58:57,284 --> 00:58:58,364 I hope you don't mind. 1174 00:58:58,452 --> 00:59:00,943 The English Department gave me your number up in Connecticut. 1175 00:59:00,954 --> 00:59:04,663 Yeah. Look, I met with Herbert Stempel yesterday. 1176 00:59:04,750 --> 00:59:07,708 He told me a couple of things. I'm kinda curious... 1177 00:59:08,962 --> 00:59:10,122 What? 1178 00:59:11,423 --> 00:59:13,459 Sure. Well, what train was that? 1179 00:59:14,301 --> 00:59:16,633 Yeah, just hold on. I got a pen right here. 1180 00:59:16,636 --> 00:59:18,877 Grand Central Station. 1181 00:59:18,972 --> 00:59:20,382 Housatonic. 1182 00:59:21,141 --> 00:59:22,972 Cornwall, Connecticut. 1183 00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:26,302 I will... I will... I'll get right on the way. 1184 00:59:35,781 --> 00:59:38,648 - Dick, I'm glad you could make it. - Charlie. 1185 00:59:39,659 --> 00:59:41,650 That's some snappy-looking Mercedes. 1186 00:59:41,787 --> 00:59:43,527 Come around the back. We're just about to eat. 1187 00:59:43,622 --> 00:59:44,828 What's that, the 300? 1188 00:59:44,831 --> 00:59:48,073 Yeah, it's my father's birthday, so I bought myself a car. 1189 00:59:48,168 --> 00:59:52,252 - It's only got 110 miles on it. - The show's treatin' you well, huh? 1190 00:59:53,965 --> 00:59:56,581 Dorothy, your tomato salad is fabulous. 1191 00:59:56,676 --> 00:59:59,167 - What's your secret? - Manure. 1192 00:59:59,179 --> 01:00:00,214 Now, look at Thomas. 1193 01:00:00,305 --> 01:00:04,173 Thomas is aerodynamically designed to go directly to heaven. 1194 01:00:04,184 --> 01:00:08,018 - And who are you? - Dick. Goodwin. 1195 01:00:08,105 --> 01:00:10,266 - I'm a friend of Charlie's. - Ah. 1196 01:00:10,732 --> 01:00:13,018 - You sound like you're from Boston. - Brookline, actually. 1197 01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:18,854 The wrong girl for me. 1198 01:00:20,117 --> 01:00:21,607 - You know I didn't. - You did. 1199 01:00:21,701 --> 01:00:23,237 We have horseradish growing in the garden. 1200 01:00:23,328 --> 01:00:26,115 Well, that's true. 1201 01:00:26,373 --> 01:00:28,739 - How long have you been married? - 20 years. 1202 01:00:28,834 --> 01:00:31,826 Aunt Irita had an affair with Wendell Willkie. 1203 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,080 Hmm? 1204 01:00:33,672 --> 01:00:39,008 "Now see summer bloom upon this lea. Three score rings around this tree. 1205 01:00:39,219 --> 01:00:41,301 "Once green, now bare. 1206 01:00:41,388 --> 01:00:43,379 "Once lush, now sere. 1207 01:00:43,473 --> 01:00:46,055 "Consoled only that I am 1208 01:00:46,059 --> 01:00:48,892 - "planted here." - You certainly are. 1209 01:00:48,895 --> 01:00:50,760 - "Roots thick..." - And old. 1210 01:00:50,772 --> 01:00:52,387 - "...and deep," - And doddering. 1211 01:00:52,399 --> 01:00:56,392 - "...assuage my woes..." - A termite nibbles at my toes. 1212 01:00:56,903 --> 01:00:59,815 - Et tu, Bunny? - Charlie, is Jack Barry single? 1213 01:00:59,906 --> 01:01:00,895 I think so. 1214 01:01:00,991 --> 01:01:03,573 My roommate has a crush on him. She wants you to introduce her. 1215 01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:04,900 What's Dave Garroway like? 1216 01:01:04,995 --> 01:01:06,405 - Cheap. - "Cheat"? 1217 01:01:06,413 --> 01:01:07,619 Wasn't I talking? 1218 01:01:07,706 --> 01:01:10,618 You were, yes. Talking and talking and talking. 1219 01:01:10,709 --> 01:01:13,576 Charlie's famous, like Elvis Presley. 1220 01:01:13,587 --> 01:01:17,296 Like Leopold of Belgium, usurped by his son before his time. 1221 01:01:17,382 --> 01:01:19,498 I suppose that makes me King Baudouin? 1222 01:01:19,593 --> 01:01:22,175 Next birthday, you all get a dirty limerick. 1223 01:01:22,262 --> 01:01:24,969 I certainly hope so. 1224 01:01:26,683 --> 01:01:29,095 So how's it feel, Charlie? 1225 01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:32,261 Well, I can't even eat dinner in a restaurant anymore. 1226 01:01:32,856 --> 01:01:36,815 People follow me inside to discover what kind of "brain food" I eat. 1227 01:01:36,818 --> 01:01:40,936 In my day, it was flagpole-sitting and swallowing goldfish. 1228 01:01:41,031 --> 01:01:43,773 Last week alone, I had 11 proposals of marriage. 1229 01:01:43,783 --> 01:01:45,319 Perhaps you should accept one of them. 1230 01:01:45,410 --> 01:01:48,652 To think they unleash you on those impressionable young minds. 1231 01:01:48,747 --> 01:01:50,283 Why not? He's 33 years old. 1232 01:01:50,290 --> 01:01:52,872 Jesus Christ had a girlfriend at 33 years old. 1233 01:01:52,959 --> 01:01:55,621 - Look how that turned out. - And he shared an office with his father. 1234 01:01:55,629 --> 01:01:57,460 I'm sure they're all very nice girls. 1235 01:01:57,464 --> 01:01:59,671 In that case, perhaps I should appear on a quiz show. 1236 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,462 The money, meanwhile, no one knows what to do with it. 1237 01:02:03,553 --> 01:02:06,636 Though every stockbroker in New York seems eager to try. 1238 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,631 Why don't you just put it in the bank? 1239 01:02:08,642 --> 01:02:10,849 That's what I've always done with my prize money. 1240 01:02:10,936 --> 01:02:13,473 No, it's just... You don't understand, Dad. 1241 01:02:13,563 --> 01:02:15,349 There are all sorts of tax implications. 1242 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,806 I think I can understand the concept of taxes. 1243 01:02:17,901 --> 01:02:19,732 At this level, it's a bit more complicated. 1244 01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:21,400 And at my level? 1245 01:02:22,155 --> 01:02:24,521 I never thought of myself having a level, Charlie. 1246 01:02:24,532 --> 01:02:25,988 What level might that be? 1247 01:02:26,076 --> 01:02:29,694 I mean, it's not as if the money fell into my lap. I worked for it. 1248 01:02:29,788 --> 01:02:31,824 Work? Oh! 1249 01:02:32,207 --> 01:02:34,323 Millions of people watch the game shows, Dad. 1250 01:02:34,417 --> 01:02:37,079 Then I suppose we've become a nation of proctors. 1251 01:02:37,170 --> 01:02:39,411 - Mark. - Help me out here, Harvard. 1252 01:02:39,631 --> 01:02:40,791 Uh... 1253 01:02:41,508 --> 01:02:43,419 Claim victory and depart the field. 1254 01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:45,171 We don't have a television. 1255 01:02:45,262 --> 01:02:47,344 Why on earth would we need a television? 1256 01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:49,546 How much money is it again? 1257 01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:52,173 - What? - They don't have a television. 1258 01:02:52,185 --> 01:02:53,265 You haven't seen the show? 1259 01:02:53,353 --> 01:02:55,514 We were supposed to watch it the other night at Thurber's... 1260 01:02:55,522 --> 01:02:57,638 Even Thurber has a television, and he's blind. 1261 01:02:58,358 --> 01:03:00,474 How much is it now, Charlie? 1262 01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:04,068 - $ 122,000. - What? 1263 01:03:05,532 --> 01:03:07,238 She heard that all right. 1264 01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:12,194 Well. 1265 01:03:14,624 --> 01:03:17,866 "Some rise by sin and some by virtue fall." 1266 01:03:19,796 --> 01:03:20,911 Measure For Measure. 1267 01:03:22,257 --> 01:03:25,249 "To do a great right, do a little wrong." 1268 01:03:25,885 --> 01:03:28,877 - Merchant Of Venice. - It's this game our family plays. 1269 01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:32,506 "O, what men dare do! What men may do! 1270 01:03:33,184 --> 01:03:36,768 "What men daily do, not knowing what they do!" 1271 01:03:36,938 --> 01:03:38,553 Much Ado About Nothing. 1272 01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:41,856 "Things without remedy should be without regard, 1273 01:03:42,569 --> 01:03:43,854 "what's done is done." 1274 01:03:44,571 --> 01:03:47,654 "Things without all remedy." Macbeth. 1275 01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:52,989 "How ill white hairs become a fool and jester." 1276 01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:56,492 Now, Professor, open your presents. 1277 01:03:58,084 --> 01:04:01,292 - Well, what have we here? - Aftershave. 1278 01:04:01,296 --> 01:04:03,287 Aw. 1279 01:04:07,093 --> 01:04:08,299 Uh-huh. 1280 01:04:12,140 --> 01:04:14,301 Oh, now. 1281 01:04:14,601 --> 01:04:18,093 Oh, my God. How swell. 1282 01:04:19,105 --> 01:04:22,939 I guess I'm surrounded. Thank you, Charlie. 1283 01:04:23,777 --> 01:04:25,768 I thought you might like it, Dad. 1284 01:04:31,785 --> 01:04:33,446 So do you remember Herbert Stempel? 1285 01:04:33,453 --> 01:04:35,944 Remember him? I still can't believe I beat him. 1286 01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:40,658 Stempel tells me that Dan Enright made him take a dive from the show. 1287 01:04:42,420 --> 01:04:43,455 What? 1288 01:04:44,464 --> 01:04:47,046 He tells me that Dan Enright made him take a dive. 1289 01:04:48,718 --> 01:04:51,175 - That's ridiculous. - Yeah? 1290 01:04:51,763 --> 01:04:53,344 A little odd, though, don't ya think? 1291 01:04:53,348 --> 01:04:55,430 I mean, losing on such an easy question? 1292 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,512 You know, frankly, Dick, if Stempel can just run around 1293 01:04:58,603 --> 01:05:02,016 and smear a man like Dan Enright to the United States Congress... 1294 01:05:02,023 --> 01:05:03,354 No, nobody's smearing anybody. 1295 01:05:03,358 --> 01:05:05,394 I'm just trying to figure out the truth here. 1296 01:05:05,485 --> 01:05:07,350 Could you just untie the bowline there and shove us off? 1297 01:05:13,284 --> 01:05:14,649 All right. 1298 01:05:17,330 --> 01:05:20,197 Dick, could you raise the jib for us, please? 1299 01:05:20,291 --> 01:05:22,998 The jib. Just... Yeah. 1300 01:05:30,009 --> 01:05:33,342 Do you remember what it was like for guys like us when we were in school? 1301 01:05:33,805 --> 01:05:36,592 Being smart was like being cross-eyed. 1302 01:05:37,183 --> 01:05:38,889 But you should see the letters I get. 1303 01:05:38,893 --> 01:05:41,509 Kids are excited about... About books 1304 01:05:41,521 --> 01:05:44,012 and learning and general knowledge. 1305 01:05:45,066 --> 01:05:47,478 Dan Enright had a lot to do with that. 1306 01:05:47,819 --> 01:05:50,276 Yeah, but don't you think he wanted you to win? 1307 01:05:50,363 --> 01:05:52,729 I mean, if you look at the ratings, they're staggering. 1308 01:05:52,866 --> 01:05:56,575 Well, what did he say, they "made" him take a dive? 1309 01:05:56,661 --> 01:05:57,741 Well. 1310 01:05:57,745 --> 01:05:59,906 Well, how did they "make" him take a dive anyway? 1311 01:05:59,914 --> 01:06:02,701 He didn't want to jeopardize any future he might have in television. 1312 01:06:04,711 --> 01:06:06,451 Yeah, well... 1313 01:06:07,547 --> 01:06:10,539 Anyway, how many people did you say testified in front of the grand jury? 1314 01:06:11,050 --> 01:06:12,631 Why? What's your point? 1315 01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:16,337 Well, if what you're saying is true, then everybody lied. 1316 01:06:28,193 --> 01:06:30,229 - H i. Al Freedman. - H i. I'm Danny. 1317 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:33,938 Good to see you. I'm sorry for the delay. Come on in. Have a seat. 1318 01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:35,943 Would you like a cup of coffee or a soft drink? 1319 01:06:35,950 --> 01:06:37,565 - Anything? - I'm fine. Thanks. 1320 01:06:37,577 --> 01:06:39,113 - You sure? - We're very well stocked up here. 1321 01:06:39,204 --> 01:06:40,239 - Nothing? - I'm fine. 1322 01:06:40,246 --> 01:06:41,235 No trouble. 1323 01:06:41,331 --> 01:06:43,071 I understand you've spoken to Charles Van Doren. 1324 01:06:43,166 --> 01:06:45,953 - And Herbert Stempel. - Oh, I was afraid of that. 1325 01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,918 He says and I quote, that he was made to "take a dive." 1326 01:06:48,922 --> 01:06:51,334 Believe me, I'm quite familiar with Herb's allegations. 1327 01:06:51,424 --> 01:06:53,130 I could recite them by rote. 1328 01:06:53,218 --> 01:06:56,130 46 witnesses swore up and down Herbie's a lying tub of shit. 1329 01:06:56,137 --> 01:06:57,252 - Al. - Sorry. 1330 01:06:57,347 --> 01:07:00,635 - Why the big secret? - Well, to protect people's reputations. 1331 01:07:00,642 --> 01:07:05,636 I mean, frankly, you never know what the public is gonna believe, you see? 1332 01:07:05,647 --> 01:07:07,433 There's that and... 1333 01:07:10,944 --> 01:07:12,104 And what? 1334 01:07:12,779 --> 01:07:14,815 Look, Dick, I... Can I call you Dick? 1335 01:07:14,906 --> 01:07:16,112 Sure, Dan. 1336 01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:19,487 After the loss, Herb came to visit me in an agitated... 1337 01:07:19,577 --> 01:07:23,490 Well, I suppose the clinical term would be... What? 1338 01:07:23,498 --> 01:07:25,284 - The guy's nuts. - Manic. 1339 01:07:25,416 --> 01:07:27,532 - He was in a manic frame of mind. - Manic. 1340 01:07:27,627 --> 01:07:30,710 And I took the precaution of tape recording that meeting. 1341 01:07:31,297 --> 01:07:33,253 Al, would you play the tape? 1342 01:07:33,716 --> 01:07:35,252 Listen to this. 1343 01:07:37,011 --> 01:07:38,501 You get me that panel show 1344 01:07:38,513 --> 01:07:41,300 or I'm gonna bring you down, you lousy lyin' prick. 1345 01:07:41,391 --> 01:07:43,552 You and Charles Van fuckin' Doren. 1346 01:07:43,643 --> 01:07:45,508 What is this, Herb? Are you blackmailin' me? 1347 01:07:45,603 --> 01:07:48,845 I need that money, Dan. I need to get back on television. 1348 01:07:48,856 --> 01:07:50,062 You get me that panel show 1349 01:07:50,149 --> 01:07:52,640 - or I'll tell everyone it's a fraud. - You know that's not true. 1350 01:07:52,735 --> 01:07:53,895 Who cares if it's true? 1351 01:07:53,987 --> 01:07:55,568 "The fix is in this week on Twenty-One." 1352 01:07:55,655 --> 01:07:56,644 Okay. 1353 01:08:00,410 --> 01:08:03,698 So he needed more money after all that money he won. 1354 01:08:03,705 --> 01:08:06,162 Gambling. And that's the least of it. 1355 01:08:06,249 --> 01:08:10,208 I mean, if the judge was protecting anyone, he was protecting Herb. 1356 01:08:10,211 --> 01:08:12,497 Given... Well... 1357 01:08:15,383 --> 01:08:20,047 - His medical condition. - His medical condition? 1358 01:08:20,054 --> 01:08:21,919 - Oh, yeah. - Al, get the bills. 1359 01:08:24,017 --> 01:08:26,679 I mean, put yourself in his shoes. 1360 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:29,101 He's no longer in the public eye. 1361 01:08:29,188 --> 01:08:31,019 He's remembered, if he's remembered at all, 1362 01:08:31,024 --> 01:08:33,766 as "the guy that lost to Van Doren." 1363 01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:35,600 Television is like a monkey on his back, 1364 01:08:35,695 --> 01:08:38,528 and we're not talking about someone who is necessarily stable to begin with. 1365 01:08:38,615 --> 01:08:41,732 - No. - So you paid for his psychoanalysis? 1366 01:08:41,743 --> 01:08:43,233 - I felt responsible. - You're too nice. 1367 01:08:43,244 --> 01:08:44,700 - No, I'm not. - If it were up to me, 1368 01:08:44,704 --> 01:08:46,535 I would've sent him to the skating rink the fast way. 1369 01:08:46,623 --> 01:08:49,535 - Five sessions a week? - Five, and not a dent. 1370 01:08:50,043 --> 01:08:52,910 Herb is so angry with himself for losing, 1371 01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,206 and it was on such a simple question, too. 1372 01:08:55,214 --> 01:08:58,047 - Marty. - Marty. His ego couldn't handle it. 1373 01:08:58,593 --> 01:09:01,380 He blames Charles Van Doren for his downfall. 1374 01:09:01,387 --> 01:09:04,094 And, of course, the real downfall of Herbert Stempel 1375 01:09:04,098 --> 01:09:06,555 - has always been Herbert Stempel. - Herbert Stempel. Absolutely. 1376 01:09:06,643 --> 01:09:08,554 You met him. Does he seem stable to you? 1377 01:09:09,228 --> 01:09:12,220 Well, I definitely have an inkling of what you're talking about. 1378 01:09:12,231 --> 01:09:15,723 He told me this whole story about how when a Jew is on the show, 1379 01:09:15,818 --> 01:09:19,481 he always loses to a Gentile, and then the Gentile wins more money. 1380 01:09:19,656 --> 01:09:23,399 Right? Who could dream up a scheme like that? 1381 01:09:23,493 --> 01:09:25,609 A symptom of his Van Doren fixation. 1382 01:09:25,703 --> 01:09:28,445 The thing of it is, I looked it up. It's true. 1383 01:09:31,751 --> 01:09:33,412 We could check it. 1384 01:09:34,379 --> 01:09:36,290 Herbie, I wanna go home. 1385 01:09:36,381 --> 01:09:39,088 I took you to dinner, didn't I? Just hold your horses. 1386 01:09:39,092 --> 01:09:41,424 This is ridiculous. 1387 01:09:48,518 --> 01:09:49,928 Where have you been? 1388 01:09:49,936 --> 01:09:52,928 Why don't you return my phone calls? Did you talk to Van Doren? 1389 01:09:52,939 --> 01:09:55,100 I'll tell you who I spoke to. I spoke to Dan Enright. 1390 01:09:55,233 --> 01:09:56,313 Forget Enright. 1391 01:09:56,401 --> 01:09:57,937 Goodwin, 1535. 1392 01:09:58,027 --> 01:10:00,643 You threatened to blackmail him if he didn't get you on a panel show? 1393 01:10:00,655 --> 01:10:03,988 What? When? I didn't blackmail him. What are you talking about? 1394 01:10:04,075 --> 01:10:08,159 - He's got the whole thing on tape. - He promised me that panel show. 1395 01:10:08,663 --> 01:10:10,824 What tape? What are you talking about? 1396 01:10:10,915 --> 01:10:13,122 Listen, Goodwin, don't think I don't see what you're doin'. 1397 01:10:13,209 --> 01:10:15,120 You're building this great case against me. 1398 01:10:15,128 --> 01:10:18,666 A pile of evidence, an army of witnesses against me, Herb Stempel. 1399 01:10:18,756 --> 01:10:20,371 And meanwhile, you and Van Doren are off 1400 01:10:20,466 --> 01:10:22,502 giving each other the secret Ivy League handshake. 1401 01:10:22,510 --> 01:10:24,000 Herb, you're makin' me look like a jerk. 1402 01:10:24,095 --> 01:10:25,676 I know what they're doin' to you. They did it to me. 1403 01:10:25,763 --> 01:10:26,843 Just because you went to Harvard, 1404 01:10:26,931 --> 01:10:28,671 you think you have some stake in the system? 1405 01:10:28,766 --> 01:10:30,381 He didn't pay for your psychiatrist bills? 1406 01:10:30,476 --> 01:10:33,183 The point is Van Doren got the answers. 1407 01:10:33,187 --> 01:10:36,224 He did not get the answers. If anything, he gave them the answers. 1408 01:10:36,315 --> 01:10:37,680 I know he got the answers. 1409 01:10:37,775 --> 01:10:39,686 Ah, bullshit, Herb. How do you know he got the answers? 1410 01:10:39,777 --> 01:10:41,358 Because I got the answers. 1411 01:10:48,953 --> 01:10:51,365 You got the answers? 1412 01:10:51,372 --> 01:10:53,158 What do you mean, you got the answers? 1413 01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:54,372 Not very many answers. 1414 01:10:54,459 --> 01:10:57,701 I just wanted to get out from under the financial thumb of my in-laws. 1415 01:10:57,795 --> 01:11:00,537 I don't understand. I thought you were a victim in all this. 1416 01:11:00,631 --> 01:11:04,044 I didn't hold myself up to be the crowned prince of education. 1417 01:11:04,051 --> 01:11:06,713 I didn't preen myself on the cover of Time magazine 1418 01:11:06,804 --> 01:11:08,340 with a face full of phony humility... 1419 01:11:08,347 --> 01:11:09,757 Good night, Herb. 1420 01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:19,309 Toby. 1421 01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:24,186 Toby, where do you think you're going without me? 1422 01:11:24,197 --> 01:11:26,188 You never told me you got the answers. 1423 01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:28,861 I knew the answers to a good part of the questions anyhow. 1424 01:11:28,868 --> 01:11:30,404 The ones I didn't, they fed me. 1425 01:11:30,411 --> 01:11:32,948 - I'm sure I must've mentioned it. - It's not a thing you mentioned. 1426 01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:34,904 What else did you do that you didn't mention? 1427 01:11:34,999 --> 01:11:38,583 Enright sat right in our kitchen and said, "How'd you like to make $25,000?" 1428 01:11:38,669 --> 01:11:41,081 I don't know any man in America who would turn that down. 1429 01:11:41,172 --> 01:11:44,209 - It's dishonest. - Let me tell you about honest. 1430 01:11:44,217 --> 01:11:45,878 You know what my father used to tell me? 1431 01:11:45,968 --> 01:11:48,710 "Work hard and you'll get ahead." Was that honest? 1432 01:11:48,721 --> 01:11:52,213 Look at Geritol. "Geritol cures tired blood." 1433 01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:54,386 And I'm the one who's supposed to be ashamed. 1434 01:11:54,393 --> 01:11:56,475 You never said that you were getting the answers. 1435 01:11:56,562 --> 01:11:58,553 Let them believe whatever they want. What do I care? 1436 01:11:58,648 --> 01:12:03,062 - What do I care if a bunch of saps... - I was one of those saps, Herbert. 1437 01:12:14,247 --> 01:12:16,454 He got the answers. 1438 01:12:16,541 --> 01:12:19,624 Now why would he admit that? He's only implicating himself. 1439 01:12:19,627 --> 01:12:24,166 - Well, maybe it's the truth. - Yeah, well I have a hunch it is the truth. 1440 01:12:24,257 --> 01:12:27,249 Though meanwhile, we'll have to have him testify in a straitjacket. 1441 01:12:27,343 --> 01:12:30,426 But Van Doren isn't crazy. Maybe you should put him on the stand. 1442 01:12:30,513 --> 01:12:33,596 - What's Van Doren got to do with this? - They gave Stempel the answers. 1443 01:12:33,599 --> 01:12:35,260 Why would Van Doren be any different? 1444 01:12:35,351 --> 01:12:37,842 You have no idea what these people are like. 1445 01:12:37,937 --> 01:12:40,929 It's all Thurber and Trilling and Bunny Wilson. 1446 01:12:41,023 --> 01:12:42,012 Bunny? 1447 01:12:42,108 --> 01:12:44,440 Yeah, Edmund Wilson. That's what they call him. 1448 01:12:44,527 --> 01:12:46,313 Well, that doesn't mean you have to. 1449 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:49,687 Look, my point is, why would a guy like that jeopardize everything he has? 1450 01:12:49,782 --> 01:12:51,318 - Which is what? - Sandra, 1451 01:12:51,409 --> 01:12:53,445 the man is on the cover of Time magazine. 1452 01:12:53,536 --> 01:12:56,869 He's not gonna be on the cover of Time as Mark Van Doren's son, Dick. 1453 01:12:56,956 --> 01:13:00,164 Boxing. How many points would you like to risk? 1454 01:13:00,626 --> 01:13:02,617 I'll risk eight points, Jack. 1455 01:13:02,628 --> 01:13:06,462 All right. For eight points, name the three heavyweight champions 1456 01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:08,956 immediately preceding Joe Louis. 1457 01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,012 Well, my father would know that. 1458 01:13:16,100 --> 01:13:18,716 - That'd be James J. Braddock. - Correct. 1459 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,806 Max Baer lost the belt to Braddock. 1460 01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:24,310 Yes. And the fellow Baer beat? 1461 01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,356 Oh, now, I remember he knocked him down 12 times 1462 01:13:26,444 --> 01:13:28,025 before he finally succumbed. 1463 01:13:28,112 --> 01:13:30,979 - Would you like to guess? - Primo Carnera. 1464 01:13:30,990 --> 01:13:33,026 Correct. You have 21. 1465 01:13:35,786 --> 01:13:36,866 Second base is Eddie Stanky. 1466 01:13:36,954 --> 01:13:39,286 No, it's Red Schoendienst. 1467 01:13:39,540 --> 01:13:42,202 I hear that Pat Boone plays on the White Shoes. 1468 01:13:42,293 --> 01:13:44,534 - No, that's Daniel Boone. - Ace-King bets. 1469 01:13:44,629 --> 01:13:45,835 - Check. - Check. 1470 01:13:45,922 --> 01:13:47,002 Bet five. 1471 01:13:47,089 --> 01:13:49,080 - I'll raise that a dollar. - I'm out. 1472 01:13:50,635 --> 01:13:51,875 You better watch out, Fred. 1473 01:13:51,886 --> 01:13:54,218 Dick's one of the brightest young lawyers down in Washington. 1474 01:13:54,221 --> 01:13:58,715 Great. All my money already goes to Washington. Taxes. 1475 01:13:58,726 --> 01:14:01,183 - It's nothin' but organized theft. - No, property. 1476 01:14:01,270 --> 01:14:04,512 - What? - "Property is theft," I believe. 1477 01:14:04,607 --> 01:14:06,893 That's the locus classicus from Proudhon. 1478 01:14:07,109 --> 01:14:08,724 I warned you. 1479 01:14:08,819 --> 01:14:11,526 - Oh, great, another one. - Ace bets five. 1480 01:14:14,158 --> 01:14:16,490 - And another one. - I'll see that. 1481 01:14:17,244 --> 01:14:20,407 - What are you working on, Charlie? - I raise $5. 1482 01:14:20,414 --> 01:14:22,405 I'd love to know what you got under there, Charlie. 1483 01:14:22,416 --> 01:14:24,077 The truth has its price. 1484 01:14:24,085 --> 01:14:25,541 Everything has its price. 1485 01:14:28,214 --> 01:14:30,421 So where'd ya prep, Dick? 1486 01:14:30,508 --> 01:14:33,921 Dick's up here on a witch hunt. He thinks Twenty-One is rigged. 1487 01:14:34,387 --> 01:14:35,547 Is it? 1488 01:14:38,891 --> 01:14:43,225 Hey, which face cards are in profile, without looking? 1489 01:14:43,312 --> 01:14:45,473 Jack of spades, king of diamonds, jack of hearts. 1490 01:14:45,564 --> 01:14:48,772 Can we play cards? It's bad enough my wife makes me watch this crap. 1491 01:14:48,776 --> 01:14:51,768 Okay, you're writing a book on Lincoln. The night he was shot, 1492 01:14:51,779 --> 01:14:53,235 who was the doctor at his deathbed? 1493 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,980 Joseph K. Barnes was the doctor. 1494 01:14:56,075 --> 01:14:58,942 - Whoa. - Who was the detective on the case? 1495 01:14:59,036 --> 01:15:02,278 The detective was Clarvoe. John Alexander Clarvoe. 1496 01:15:02,289 --> 01:15:03,995 - Who embalmed him? - Come on. 1497 01:15:04,083 --> 01:15:05,914 Black or brown, Charles D. Brown. 1498 01:15:05,918 --> 01:15:08,625 Then he was murdered with estate taxes. Let's play. 1499 01:15:08,629 --> 01:15:11,086 - You're not impressed? - Ace checks. 1500 01:15:12,174 --> 01:15:13,209 Check. 1501 01:15:17,054 --> 01:15:18,089 Whoa! 1502 01:15:18,931 --> 01:15:20,137 Now I'm impressed. 1503 01:15:20,141 --> 01:15:22,302 Go ahead, Dick, call 'em. 1504 01:15:24,353 --> 01:15:26,093 What do you say, Dick? 1505 01:15:27,565 --> 01:15:29,101 I know you're lying. 1506 01:15:29,275 --> 01:15:32,267 Whoa-oh. 1507 01:15:32,903 --> 01:15:36,066 Bluffing. The word is bluffing. 1508 01:15:41,287 --> 01:15:43,198 Too rich for my blood. 1509 01:15:44,165 --> 01:15:46,372 - Try Geritol. - Sandwich time. 1510 01:15:47,710 --> 01:15:49,996 How 'bout a drink? 1511 01:15:50,004 --> 01:15:52,211 This game could use a little juice, huh? 1512 01:15:57,011 --> 01:15:58,547 Charlie? Charlie? 1513 01:15:58,637 --> 01:16:01,800 The only people who can implicate you directly are all in this room. 1514 01:16:01,807 --> 01:16:03,172 Just think about that. 1515 01:16:03,267 --> 01:16:04,973 You think that nudzh is gonna get me to talk? 1516 01:16:05,061 --> 01:16:06,141 He may be a nudzh, 1517 01:16:06,228 --> 01:16:08,685 but he was also first in his class at Harvard Law School. 1518 01:16:08,773 --> 01:16:10,684 - Oh, Harvard? - Will you please stop that? 1519 01:16:10,775 --> 01:16:12,311 - Al, stop it. - Sorry. 1520 01:16:12,318 --> 01:16:14,684 Charlie, they could kill me, I wouldn't talk. 1521 01:16:14,779 --> 01:16:17,395 They could subject me to any kind of torture... 1522 01:16:17,490 --> 01:16:18,855 - The rack? - Thank you. 1523 01:16:18,866 --> 01:16:20,197 They could put me on the rack... 1524 01:16:20,284 --> 01:16:21,524 - The iron maiden? - Whatever. 1525 01:16:21,535 --> 01:16:22,524 The bastinado? 1526 01:16:22,620 --> 01:16:25,077 Charlie, I'm not tellin' 'em a goddamned thing. 1527 01:16:25,164 --> 01:16:27,029 - Correct me, Dan, if I'm wrong. - No, you're right. 1528 01:16:27,124 --> 01:16:28,580 Plus, what did you do wrong? 1529 01:16:28,667 --> 01:16:30,578 Everybody knows the magician don't saw the lady in half. 1530 01:16:30,669 --> 01:16:33,661 - It's not exactly the same thing. - It's entertainment. 1531 01:16:33,672 --> 01:16:35,833 I am a college professor. 1532 01:16:38,385 --> 01:16:40,876 They need the professor in make-up. 1533 01:17:37,194 --> 01:17:39,731 Oh, well. 1534 01:17:41,448 --> 01:17:43,905 Aren't you Charles Van Doren? 1535 01:17:43,909 --> 01:17:45,945 I'm sorry, Dad. I didn't mean to wake you. 1536 01:17:45,953 --> 01:17:47,818 I just had to get out of the city. 1537 01:17:47,913 --> 01:17:50,154 You're always welcome, Charlie. 1538 01:17:51,333 --> 01:17:54,416 Sometimes it's hard sleeping in the city. 1539 01:17:54,503 --> 01:17:56,744 I hope you don't mind. I took the rest of the cake. 1540 01:17:56,839 --> 01:17:59,455 You look like you could use it. 1541 01:17:59,550 --> 01:18:01,461 Under a little strain lately. 1542 01:18:01,468 --> 01:18:04,084 That's the way it always is when you're finishing a book. 1543 01:18:04,096 --> 01:18:06,963 Oh, no, actually, it's the television show. 1544 01:18:06,974 --> 01:18:11,468 Oh, Jesus, I just realized, we watched your show. 1545 01:18:11,478 --> 01:18:14,936 Did I tell you? Mother and I moved the television to the den. 1546 01:18:15,024 --> 01:18:18,642 - No, no, you didn't mention it. - Anyway, what was it? 1547 01:18:18,652 --> 01:18:21,359 Something about the Galapagos Islands? 1548 01:18:21,447 --> 01:18:23,984 You know what? I'll try some of that. 1549 01:18:24,074 --> 01:18:26,986 The origin and the destination of the voyage of the Beagle. 1550 01:18:27,328 --> 01:18:30,661 That's right. Biology for six points. 1551 01:18:30,664 --> 01:18:33,326 Good God, the pressure. 1552 01:18:33,417 --> 01:18:37,501 All those lights, the money, those strange little booths, 1553 01:18:37,504 --> 01:18:41,497 that man talking so fast, like being in a bull ring. 1554 01:18:42,259 --> 01:18:44,500 I don't think I could remember my name. 1555 01:18:44,511 --> 01:18:46,968 You know, I always had a good head for that kind of stuff. 1556 01:18:46,972 --> 01:18:50,590 It's just amazing that you could make it look so easy. 1557 01:18:51,977 --> 01:18:55,344 But your mother always said you were the actor in the family, Charlie. 1558 01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,020 Yeah. 1559 01:18:57,858 --> 01:19:01,646 As long as it doesn't interfere with your teaching, why not? 1560 01:19:05,783 --> 01:19:07,148 Dad. 1561 01:19:08,452 --> 01:19:10,659 Huh? What? 1562 01:19:17,461 --> 01:19:19,577 Something on your mind? 1563 01:19:28,514 --> 01:19:31,130 You never told me you felt pressure... 1564 01:19:32,851 --> 01:19:36,093 You know, like finishing a book. 1565 01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,971 Oh-ho, are you kidding? 1566 01:19:39,358 --> 01:19:42,896 When I was finishing the Hawthorne book, I tossed and turned so badly 1567 01:19:42,987 --> 01:19:45,694 your mother threatened to check into a hotel. 1568 01:19:45,781 --> 01:19:47,692 Oh, sure. 1569 01:19:48,701 --> 01:19:52,694 You know, I think the old bird's finally getting the hang of this. 1570 01:19:54,915 --> 01:19:57,748 You know, I just had the strongest memory. 1571 01:19:57,751 --> 01:20:01,084 Coming home from school, going to the fridge. 1572 01:20:01,171 --> 01:20:04,663 Ice-cold bottle of milk, big piece of chocolate cake. 1573 01:20:05,843 --> 01:20:08,209 It was just the simplicity of it. 1574 01:20:09,054 --> 01:20:12,262 I can't think of anything that will make me feel that happy again. 1575 01:20:16,228 --> 01:20:18,059 Not till you have a son. 1576 01:20:31,327 --> 01:20:33,158 That would be our most difficult question 1577 01:20:33,245 --> 01:20:34,234 on American literature. 1578 01:20:34,330 --> 01:20:38,289 For 11 points, I'll read you lines from America's greatest poets. 1579 01:20:38,292 --> 01:20:40,783 You must identify the author. First, 1580 01:20:40,794 --> 01:20:44,753 "I hear America singing, the varied carols I hear." 1581 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,252 That would be Walt Whitman. 1582 01:20:47,343 --> 01:20:49,425 That's right. Second, 1583 01:20:49,511 --> 01:20:53,925 "I shot an arrow in the air. It fell to earth I know not where." 1584 01:20:54,475 --> 01:20:57,933 - Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. - Right again, Jim. 1585 01:20:58,020 --> 01:21:02,184 Finally, "Hope is the thing with feathers that perches in the soul." 1586 01:21:02,274 --> 01:21:06,358 That is actually by one of my favorite poets, 1587 01:21:07,488 --> 01:21:08,853 Emily Dickinson. 1588 01:21:08,947 --> 01:21:10,562 I'm sorry, Jim. 1589 01:21:11,658 --> 01:21:13,489 Did... Did you say Emily Dickinson? 1590 01:21:14,286 --> 01:21:16,618 Oh! Well, yes. All right. 1591 01:21:23,545 --> 01:21:25,786 ...Dickinson. - I'm sorry, Jim. 1592 01:21:26,882 --> 01:21:30,966 Did... Did you say Emily Dickinson? Oh! Well, yes. 1593 01:21:39,311 --> 01:21:41,973 ...favorite poets, Emily Dickinson. 1594 01:21:42,856 --> 01:21:44,392 I'm sorry, Jim. 1595 01:21:45,275 --> 01:21:47,061 Did... Did you say Emily Dickinson? 1596 01:21:47,820 --> 01:21:49,526 Oh! Well, yes. 1597 01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:57,026 - Who is it? - Mr. Snodgrass? 1598 01:21:57,121 --> 01:21:59,828 - Yeah? - My name is Richard Goodwin. 1599 01:22:00,499 --> 01:22:01,534 - Yeah? - Hi. 1600 01:22:01,625 --> 01:22:04,992 I'm a Federal Investigator on a congressional subcommittee. 1601 01:22:05,087 --> 01:22:06,873 The committee's been investigating the quiz shows. 1602 01:22:08,006 --> 01:22:10,839 I was just looking at a kinescope of your appearance on Twenty-One, 1603 01:22:10,843 --> 01:22:12,379 and I noticed... 1604 01:22:12,469 --> 01:22:13,925 Mr. Snodgrass? 1605 01:22:24,022 --> 01:22:27,355 - This is good. - Yeah? What is it? 1606 01:22:42,291 --> 01:22:43,906 - Drive on by. - What? 1607 01:22:43,917 --> 01:22:46,203 - Go around to the back entrance. - Okay. 1608 01:22:49,882 --> 01:22:52,544 Mr. Kintner's office. 1609 01:22:54,553 --> 01:22:57,761 Excuse me. Do you think he might see me before the peacock molts? 1610 01:22:57,848 --> 01:22:59,133 Who are you with again? 1611 01:22:59,224 --> 01:23:01,806 I'm with the U.S. Congress. Perhaps you've heard of them. 1612 01:23:02,519 --> 01:23:05,761 Oh, your name is Gold... Excuse me, not you. Your name is Goldwyn? 1613 01:23:05,772 --> 01:23:06,932 - Goodwin. - Yes. 1614 01:23:07,024 --> 01:23:08,980 Please have a seat, Mr. Goldwyn... Goodwin. 1615 01:23:09,067 --> 01:23:10,773 - I'll see if he's available. - Right. 1616 01:23:10,777 --> 01:23:14,736 Yes, that's red, long stem. Thank you. 1617 01:23:14,740 --> 01:23:17,652 Well, I'm sure he'd be available if my name were Geritol. 1618 01:23:17,743 --> 01:23:20,655 Perhaps if you could come back another time. 1619 01:23:22,039 --> 01:23:23,950 - Good night, Rose. - Good night, Mr. Kintner. 1620 01:23:24,041 --> 01:23:26,657 Mr. Kintner. My name is Richard Goodwin. 1621 01:23:26,752 --> 01:23:29,164 I'm with the Congressional Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight. 1622 01:23:29,254 --> 01:23:30,585 Congratulations. 1623 01:23:31,215 --> 01:23:34,002 - How's Chairman Harris? - He's fine. 1624 01:23:34,092 --> 01:23:36,458 Still in that sand trap where I left him? 1625 01:23:36,553 --> 01:23:39,761 I am here to give you a chance to cooperate. 1626 01:23:39,848 --> 01:23:42,590 We'll cooperate in any way we can. Now will you excuse me? 1627 01:23:42,684 --> 01:23:44,174 Twenty-One is rigged, and I can prove it. 1628 01:23:44,269 --> 01:23:45,600 Who won, how long they were on, 1629 01:23:45,687 --> 01:23:47,143 it was all a scheme to keep the ratings up, 1630 01:23:47,147 --> 01:23:48,603 and N BC made millions off it. 1631 01:23:48,607 --> 01:23:49,938 Young man, 1632 01:23:50,901 --> 01:23:54,485 I am the President of the National Broadcasting Company. 1633 01:23:54,488 --> 01:23:58,857 I have no idea what the day-to-day operations of Twenty-One are. 1634 01:23:58,951 --> 01:24:02,284 Does Chairman Harris know every little thing you're up to? 1635 01:24:02,371 --> 01:24:06,284 I have Enright cold. And, sir, that means I have you. 1636 01:24:06,291 --> 01:24:08,122 - Really? - Really. 1637 01:24:08,794 --> 01:24:11,536 Then why are you the one that's sweating? 1638 01:24:14,174 --> 01:24:15,835 This week's challenger from New York, New York, 1639 01:24:15,842 --> 01:24:17,673 welcome Mrs. Vivienne Nearing. 1640 01:24:17,678 --> 01:24:22,342 And returning this week with $ 139,000, our champion, Charles Van Doren. 1641 01:24:25,602 --> 01:24:27,809 A very cordial welcome to the show, Mrs. Nearing. 1642 01:24:27,896 --> 01:24:29,181 - Mr. Van Doren. - Jack. 1643 01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:31,305 You're back again with a lot of money at stake. 1644 01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,311 Mrs. Nearing, let's tell the Professor and our audience 1645 01:24:33,402 --> 01:24:35,358 a little something about you. 1646 01:24:35,445 --> 01:24:38,858 A sometimes painter, pianist and Double-Crostics fan, 1647 01:24:38,865 --> 01:24:42,198 she has a Bachelor's Degree from Queens College, New York, 1648 01:24:42,202 --> 01:24:44,818 and a M.A. and L.L.B. From Columbia. 1649 01:24:44,913 --> 01:24:47,825 She and her husband Victor are lawyers in New York. 1650 01:24:47,833 --> 01:24:49,664 Quite a bean inside that pretty head, huh? 1651 01:24:49,668 --> 01:24:50,908 She's terrifying. 1652 01:24:51,003 --> 01:24:53,039 All right, I think you both know how to play the game. 1653 01:24:53,130 --> 01:24:54,836 Don't forget to put your earphones on. 1654 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,332 The very best of luck to both of you. Let's play Twenty-One. 1655 01:25:03,348 --> 01:25:07,341 Some of the most important airplanes of World War II were the following, 1656 01:25:07,436 --> 01:25:10,894 the P-40, the P-47, the P-51, 1657 01:25:10,897 --> 01:25:14,685 the B-24, the B-25 and the B-26. 1658 01:25:14,985 --> 01:25:18,944 Give me the nicknames the Air Force gave to these planes. 1659 01:25:19,031 --> 01:25:21,773 That's much harder than the question they asked that woman, 1660 01:25:21,867 --> 01:25:23,732 and hers was 10 points. 1661 01:25:23,827 --> 01:25:25,363 Do you know the names of those planes? 1662 01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:26,576 Of course not. Sit down. 1663 01:25:26,663 --> 01:25:29,200 Who would know the names of those planes? 1664 01:25:29,207 --> 01:25:32,040 - He's not the Secretary of Defense. - Shh, shh. 1665 01:25:32,377 --> 01:25:34,288 As we enter our final round, 1666 01:25:34,379 --> 01:25:37,212 Mrs. Nearing leads by a score of 21 to 16. 1667 01:25:37,215 --> 01:25:39,046 It is the moment of truth, as it were, 1668 01:25:39,051 --> 01:25:41,258 for Charles Van Doren, our reigning champion, 1669 01:25:41,345 --> 01:25:43,802 after a record-breaking 14 weeks. 1670 01:25:43,889 --> 01:25:45,629 Will he hold onto his title? 1671 01:25:45,724 --> 01:25:46,839 Wow. 1672 01:25:47,726 --> 01:25:49,717 - Mrs. Nearing. - Yes? 1673 01:25:49,728 --> 01:25:51,639 You have the required 21 points. 1674 01:25:51,730 --> 01:25:53,971 We're going to let you listen in on this last round. 1675 01:25:54,066 --> 01:25:57,558 Please do not divulge your score or speak in any way. 1676 01:25:57,569 --> 01:26:00,276 Mr. Van Doren, the category is royalty. 1677 01:26:01,573 --> 01:26:03,655 - Royalty. Yes, sir. - Royalty. 1678 01:26:03,742 --> 01:26:05,482 How many points would you like to try for? 1679 01:26:05,577 --> 01:26:06,942 Well, let's see. 1680 01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:10,571 I'll take five, five points. 1681 01:26:10,582 --> 01:26:14,621 All right. Name the kings of the following countries, 1682 01:26:14,628 --> 01:26:18,462 Norway, Sweden, Belgium and Iraq. 1683 01:26:18,548 --> 01:26:21,164 - Could I take the third part last? - Certainly. 1684 01:26:21,259 --> 01:26:22,749 Take as much time as you need, Charlie. 1685 01:26:22,844 --> 01:26:24,425 You have a lot riding on these answers. 1686 01:26:24,429 --> 01:26:28,172 I sure have. Well, Norway, that would be Haakon. King Haakon. 1687 01:26:28,266 --> 01:26:31,383 - That's right. - And Sweden, um, Gustavus. 1688 01:26:32,312 --> 01:26:35,520 - Right again, Charlie. The King of Iraq? - Iraq, uh... 1689 01:26:35,607 --> 01:26:39,520 Turn it... Turn it off. Turn the damn thing off. 1690 01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:44,313 - Good God. What got into you? - It's just too nerve-wracking. 1691 01:26:45,534 --> 01:26:47,320 I remember that's his 1692 01:26:47,411 --> 01:26:51,245 great-uncle in that wonderful book, The Seven Pillars Of Wisdom. 1693 01:26:52,457 --> 01:26:54,197 Um, Do... No, um... 1694 01:26:54,292 --> 01:26:56,123 King Faisal. 1695 01:26:56,461 --> 01:26:57,951 Correct. And Belgium? 1696 01:26:58,046 --> 01:27:01,664 Belgium. Belgium. Belgium. Belgium. Let me see... That's the third part? 1697 01:27:01,758 --> 01:27:03,214 That's right. 1698 01:27:03,468 --> 01:27:04,583 Um... 1699 01:27:06,388 --> 01:27:08,003 King of Belgium... 1700 01:27:16,273 --> 01:27:17,888 Let me see... 1701 01:27:20,485 --> 01:27:21,850 Professor, would you like more time? 1702 01:27:23,989 --> 01:27:26,196 Belgium, the King of Belgium. 1703 01:27:27,826 --> 01:27:29,066 I can picture him, Jack. 1704 01:27:29,453 --> 01:27:32,195 Right down to that Hapsburg lip that they... 1705 01:27:32,289 --> 01:27:34,621 I can't seem to summon the name. 1706 01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,160 Um... 1707 01:27:37,502 --> 01:27:39,208 He's gonna dump it. 1708 01:27:44,426 --> 01:27:46,041 Is Garroway here? 1709 01:27:50,348 --> 01:27:53,431 Professor, I'm sorry. I'm going to have to ask for your answer. 1710 01:27:57,397 --> 01:27:59,433 It seems like an easy one. 1711 01:28:08,074 --> 01:28:09,189 Leopold. 1712 01:28:10,619 --> 01:28:11,654 No. 1713 01:28:17,542 --> 01:28:20,705 No, I'm... I'm sorry, Charlie. The answer is Baudouin. 1714 01:28:21,379 --> 01:28:23,210 King Baudouin. 1715 01:28:23,298 --> 01:28:26,540 Leopold is Baudouin's father, the former king. 1716 01:28:26,635 --> 01:28:29,217 What a stunning turn of events. 1717 01:28:29,221 --> 01:28:32,088 Mrs. Nearing, you have just unseated our champion. 1718 01:28:32,098 --> 01:28:33,759 Baudouin. Of course. 1719 01:28:33,850 --> 01:28:35,135 Come out here, both of you. 1720 01:28:40,899 --> 01:28:43,231 You don't know what to do? Give him another chance, that's what. 1721 01:28:45,237 --> 01:28:47,774 Call it a bonus round, but get him on that show again. 1722 01:28:48,114 --> 01:28:51,072 Someone will call if he loses, won't they? 1723 01:28:51,076 --> 01:28:52,282 I'm sure. 1724 01:28:52,285 --> 01:28:53,741 - Congratulations. - Thank you. 1725 01:28:53,745 --> 01:28:55,281 Changing of the guard, as it were. 1726 01:28:55,372 --> 01:28:57,784 You take home $ 10,000 of Mr. Van Doren's money. 1727 01:28:57,874 --> 01:29:00,741 We'll try not to hold that against you. Please, come back next week. 1728 01:29:00,836 --> 01:29:02,576 Tell us you want to continue playing. I sure hope you do. 1729 01:29:02,587 --> 01:29:04,248 How 'bout a warm hand for our new champion, 1730 01:29:04,256 --> 01:29:06,087 - Mrs. Vivienne Nearing. - Thank you. 1731 01:29:09,719 --> 01:29:12,631 Whoa, who is that in our wing? Is that Dave Garroway? 1732 01:29:12,722 --> 01:29:16,180 Dave Garroway of the N BC Today Show, ladies and gentlemen. 1733 01:29:16,393 --> 01:29:18,805 Hello, Dave. 1734 01:29:18,895 --> 01:29:21,102 - How are you, Charlie? - Fine, thank you, Dave. 1735 01:29:21,106 --> 01:29:22,721 I was wondering, what are you gonna do now? 1736 01:29:23,316 --> 01:29:27,104 Well, I was hoping to enjoy some peace and quiet now 1737 01:29:27,112 --> 01:29:29,273 and a chance to get back to my books. 1738 01:29:29,281 --> 01:29:31,943 You know, eventually, this sad day had to come, 1739 01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:33,656 but we don't wanna lose you. 1740 01:29:33,743 --> 01:29:35,483 So, at the Today Show, we decided 1741 01:29:35,495 --> 01:29:38,612 why not make Charlie our special cultural correspondent, 1742 01:29:38,707 --> 01:29:41,540 to the people and to the schoolchildren of America. 1743 01:29:41,626 --> 01:29:43,742 Well, I... I hope you're not firing the chimp. 1744 01:29:44,212 --> 01:29:49,627 How does $50,000 a year sound to you, Professor? 1745 01:29:54,180 --> 01:29:55,636 Well, I... 1746 01:29:55,765 --> 01:29:58,973 I was hoping to, um... To get back to my teaching. 1747 01:29:59,811 --> 01:30:03,554 Well, this is the largest classroom in the world, Professor, television. 1748 01:30:03,648 --> 01:30:07,061 So, if you will, just sign right here on the dotted line. 1749 01:30:07,652 --> 01:30:11,611 Charlie, walk away. Come on. You don't need it. 1750 01:30:15,869 --> 01:30:18,531 - Congratulations, Charlie. - Thank you. 1751 01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:24,536 - Did Mr. Garroway leave? - Yes, sir. 1752 01:30:24,628 --> 01:30:26,164 - Good show, Dave. - Thanks. 1753 01:30:26,254 --> 01:30:28,415 - Mrs. Nearing, congratulations. - Thank you. 1754 01:30:28,506 --> 01:30:29,746 It was a wonderful show. 1755 01:30:29,841 --> 01:30:32,332 Gentlemen, this is Mrs. Nearing. You know Al Freedman. 1756 01:30:32,427 --> 01:30:33,667 Yes, we've met. 1757 01:30:33,678 --> 01:30:35,214 You're gonna be needed tomorrow. 1758 01:30:37,140 --> 01:30:38,846 You're a very disruptive young man. 1759 01:30:39,726 --> 01:30:44,015 Okay, let's bring the camera out, and let's bring the blackboard in. 1760 01:30:44,022 --> 01:30:46,229 - You remember James Snodgrass? - Who? 1761 01:30:46,232 --> 01:30:47,688 And can we get Mrs. Nearing in there? 1762 01:30:47,776 --> 01:30:50,438 - James Snodgrass. - Get her in there with her family. 1763 01:30:50,528 --> 01:30:52,393 He was a contestant on your show. 1764 01:30:52,405 --> 01:30:54,487 You know how many contestants we've had? 1765 01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,441 This man was an artist. Maybe that'll jog your memory. 1766 01:30:57,535 --> 01:31:00,072 Al digs these people up. God knows where he finds them. 1767 01:31:00,163 --> 01:31:03,030 - Now, a picture with her mother. - He's in Greenwich Village. 1768 01:31:03,124 --> 01:31:06,082 There was a question about the first line of a poem by Emily Dickinson. 1769 01:31:06,169 --> 01:31:07,375 Barry apparently expected 1770 01:31:07,379 --> 01:31:09,244 he was going to say Ralph Waldo Emerson and get it wrong. 1771 01:31:09,339 --> 01:31:10,875 Really? I'm very busy now. 1772 01:31:10,882 --> 01:31:12,747 Yeah, and I have it on the kinescope, okay? 1773 01:31:12,842 --> 01:31:15,299 It's clear as day. The man literally did a double take. 1774 01:31:15,387 --> 01:31:18,754 He did a double take. And who told you this? 1775 01:31:18,765 --> 01:31:20,130 Is this Herb again? 1776 01:31:20,225 --> 01:31:22,307 Or is this the Greenwich Village beatnik? 1777 01:31:22,394 --> 01:31:23,383 That's interesting. 1778 01:31:23,478 --> 01:31:26,220 Why is he a beatnik? Because he's not Charlie Van Doren? 1779 01:31:26,231 --> 01:31:28,893 Yeah, you're damn right. He's not Charlie Van Doren. 1780 01:31:28,984 --> 01:31:30,724 You got crackpots comin' out of the woodwork. 1781 01:31:30,819 --> 01:31:32,434 You're snoopin' around askin' questions. 1782 01:31:32,445 --> 01:31:34,276 You don't have a shred of concrete evidence. 1783 01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:35,941 Let me tell you somethin'. 1784 01:31:36,032 --> 01:31:37,943 In this envelope are all the questions 1785 01:31:37,951 --> 01:31:40,613 that James Snodgrass was asked on Twenty-One, okay? 1786 01:31:40,620 --> 01:31:44,784 The odd thing about this envelope is he appeared on the show on January 13, 1787 01:31:44,874 --> 01:31:48,913 yet somehow he mailed this to himself January 11, registered mail. 1788 01:31:49,754 --> 01:31:53,087 I'd say that's pretty goddamn concrete, wouldn't you? 1789 01:31:54,592 --> 01:31:56,583 Look right into the camera. 1790 01:31:58,096 --> 01:31:59,677 I wasn't in there, was I? You didn't see me? 1791 01:31:59,764 --> 01:32:02,551 No, you were out. It's okay. 1792 01:32:16,573 --> 01:32:18,359 Why would he do that? 1793 01:32:19,284 --> 01:32:22,026 How's that trap feel clamped on your leg? 1794 01:32:24,205 --> 01:32:26,321 He sent it to himself registered mail? 1795 01:32:26,416 --> 01:32:28,202 Why should you be the fall guy here 1796 01:32:28,293 --> 01:32:31,285 when NBC and Geritol are makin' the real money? 1797 01:32:34,466 --> 01:32:36,331 Dick. 1798 01:32:40,305 --> 01:32:41,294 Dan. 1799 01:32:41,973 --> 01:32:44,635 You want me to implicate the network? 1800 01:32:44,642 --> 01:32:46,758 You don't owe them a thing. 1801 01:32:48,813 --> 01:32:51,805 If I even hinted that the network knew, 1802 01:32:51,900 --> 01:32:54,391 and they didn't know, 1803 01:32:56,946 --> 01:32:58,732 they'd never let me through the door again. 1804 01:32:58,990 --> 01:33:02,824 I got a sneakin' suspicion you're not going through that door anyway. 1805 01:33:05,914 --> 01:33:08,200 Television's my life, Dick. 1806 01:33:08,291 --> 01:33:12,079 It's over. Why don't you go talk to your family? 1807 01:33:18,009 --> 01:33:19,340 I just had a thought. 1808 01:33:20,970 --> 01:33:23,006 Would you be interested in your own panel show? 1809 01:33:27,185 --> 01:33:28,220 Seriously. 1810 01:33:31,606 --> 01:33:32,721 What? 1811 01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,817 I'll get back to you on that, Dan. 1812 01:33:54,921 --> 01:33:56,582 - Excuse the robe. - That's all right. 1813 01:33:56,673 --> 01:33:59,380 First decent night's sleep I've had in months. Would you like coffee? 1814 01:33:59,384 --> 01:34:02,968 I thought I'd drop by before I head back to Washington. I got a 10: 00 train. 1815 01:34:03,054 --> 01:34:05,591 We're going to announce our hearings later today. 1816 01:34:06,391 --> 01:34:09,599 Oh, really? As I exit the stage, you enter. 1817 01:34:09,602 --> 01:34:12,139 Well, don't forget the world's biggest classroom. 1818 01:34:12,230 --> 01:34:16,314 Oh, that. Well, it's... It's the world's biggest something. 1819 01:34:16,651 --> 01:34:17,891 Uh... 1820 01:34:18,903 --> 01:34:22,066 How do you like it, Dick? You seem like a black coffee man. 1821 01:34:22,615 --> 01:34:24,196 Yeah, black's fine. 1822 01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:30,411 Here we go. 1823 01:34:30,415 --> 01:34:32,246 A toast to 1824 01:34:33,751 --> 01:34:34,957 escape. 1825 01:34:38,214 --> 01:34:40,626 "It is the basket in which the heart is caught 1826 01:34:40,633 --> 01:34:44,251 "when down some awful Battlement the rest of Life is dropt." 1827 01:34:44,345 --> 01:34:45,585 King Baudouin. 1828 01:34:48,892 --> 01:34:50,598 Emily Dickinson, actually. 1829 01:34:50,685 --> 01:34:52,425 The one you lost on. 1830 01:34:54,564 --> 01:34:55,804 Oh, that. 1831 01:34:55,899 --> 01:35:00,313 Well, it seems the Belgian Consulate has formally protested my ignorance. 1832 01:35:00,945 --> 01:35:05,609 Up at Cornwall, Charlie, your father said he felt like Leopold, remember? 1833 01:35:06,618 --> 01:35:09,109 You lost on one you knew. Same as Stempel. 1834 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,702 Well, I... I must have had a mental block. 1835 01:35:11,789 --> 01:35:13,654 I was there last night. 1836 01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:17,789 I could swear a smile crept across your face when you lost. 1837 01:35:20,506 --> 01:35:24,215 I wanted to get off the show. You can understand that. 1838 01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:28,303 I feel like I've been holding my breath for 14 weeks. 1839 01:35:30,642 --> 01:35:32,178 Why? What'd you think it was? 1840 01:35:33,645 --> 01:35:36,352 Look, I spoke to the committee, okay? 1841 01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:38,475 We're going to hold the hearings without you. 1842 01:35:38,566 --> 01:35:41,182 I am not out to destroy you or your family. 1843 01:35:41,194 --> 01:35:42,525 You go on and you live your life, 1844 01:35:42,612 --> 01:35:43,818 - and God bless you. - Okay. 1845 01:35:43,821 --> 01:35:48,406 But I wanna know, man to man, did you get the answers? 1846 01:35:48,660 --> 01:35:51,823 - "Man to man"? - Yeah, just between us. 1847 01:35:51,829 --> 01:35:54,696 What is this? Is this still that business with Stempel? 1848 01:35:54,791 --> 01:35:57,533 I mean, Dan says he's not the most reliable fellow. 1849 01:35:57,543 --> 01:35:58,749 There's a problem, Charlie. 1850 01:35:58,836 --> 01:36:01,168 I found another contestant, a man named James Snodgrass. 1851 01:36:01,256 --> 01:36:02,666 He says he got the answers, too. 1852 01:36:02,674 --> 01:36:04,414 Are you sure these people are telling the truth? 1853 01:36:04,509 --> 01:36:06,215 He put the questions in a sealed envelope 1854 01:36:06,219 --> 01:36:08,005 and sent them to himself, registered mail. 1855 01:36:08,012 --> 01:36:09,548 That was two days before he appeared on the show. 1856 01:36:09,639 --> 01:36:10,845 That doesn't prove anything. 1857 01:36:10,848 --> 01:36:12,554 You don't have to be a genius to connect the dots. 1858 01:36:12,558 --> 01:36:13,718 Don't connect them through me. 1859 01:36:13,810 --> 01:36:16,552 Don't treat me like I'm some member of your goddamned fan club. 1860 01:36:16,646 --> 01:36:19,058 Are you telling me everybody got the answers but you? 1861 01:36:19,148 --> 01:36:21,104 You're so persistent. I envy that. 1862 01:36:21,192 --> 01:36:22,398 Was it just the money? 1863 01:36:22,485 --> 01:36:23,725 You'll forgive me, but anyone that thinks 1864 01:36:23,736 --> 01:36:25,567 money is ever just money couldn't have much of it. 1865 01:36:25,655 --> 01:36:29,239 You wanna insult me, fine. But you can't envy me at the same time. 1866 01:36:29,242 --> 01:36:33,781 Jesus. If someone offered you all this money to be on some rigged quiz show, 1867 01:36:33,871 --> 01:36:35,827 instant fame, would you do it? 1868 01:36:36,666 --> 01:36:39,032 - No. Of course not. - No, no. 1869 01:36:39,127 --> 01:36:41,243 Throw the whole thing in. Cover of Time, Dave Garroway, 1870 01:36:41,254 --> 01:36:44,246 50,000 to read poetry on TV, would you do it? 1871 01:36:46,843 --> 01:36:47,878 No. 1872 01:36:47,969 --> 01:36:49,379 And I would? 1873 01:36:56,102 --> 01:36:58,013 Honestly, Dick. 1874 01:37:03,401 --> 01:37:04,732 All right. 1875 01:37:05,570 --> 01:37:08,437 Look, do me a favor. Don't embarrass me. 1876 01:37:08,531 --> 01:37:11,773 Keep your mouth shut. Don't say anything. Don't talk to the papers. 1877 01:37:11,868 --> 01:37:13,859 Just disappear for two weeks. 1878 01:37:14,704 --> 01:37:16,365 Please, don't make me call you. 1879 01:37:23,921 --> 01:37:25,127 More coffee, Dick? 1880 01:37:26,758 --> 01:37:28,999 Nope. I better go. 1881 01:37:29,552 --> 01:37:31,668 I don't wanna miss my train. 1882 01:37:37,268 --> 01:37:39,725 The subcommittee will be in order. 1883 01:37:40,772 --> 01:37:45,106 The special Subcommittee on Legislative Oversight 1884 01:37:45,109 --> 01:37:47,942 was created pursuant to Section 136 1885 01:37:47,945 --> 01:37:51,779 of the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946 1886 01:37:51,866 --> 01:37:54,824 to conduct a general investigation into the operation 1887 01:37:54,827 --> 01:37:57,819 of the federal regulatory agencies. 1888 01:37:57,830 --> 01:38:01,118 I'll ask if you were assisted in any way. You answer, "Yes." I'll say, "How?" 1889 01:38:01,209 --> 01:38:04,121 You say, "I was given the questions and answers in advance." 1890 01:38:04,128 --> 01:38:07,336 - Why don't you just sit on my pants? - I'll ask, "Was this done routinely?" 1891 01:38:07,340 --> 01:38:10,673 - You answer, "Yes." - Not that tie. The television tie. 1892 01:38:14,013 --> 01:38:16,629 We've gone over this five times already. 1893 01:38:16,724 --> 01:38:18,635 Just try to relax. 1894 01:38:18,643 --> 01:38:21,009 Be confident. Look at the Chairman directly when you answer. 1895 01:38:21,104 --> 01:38:24,392 Enough. You're worse than Enright. I'm telling the truth. 1896 01:38:24,482 --> 01:38:27,519 If they prefer to be lied to, they can just turn on the television. 1897 01:38:27,527 --> 01:38:28,858 There's a lot riding on this. 1898 01:38:28,945 --> 01:38:32,312 You're telling me there's a lot riding on it, yeah. 1899 01:38:32,323 --> 01:38:35,156 - What do you think, Toby? - What do I think about what? 1900 01:38:35,159 --> 01:38:36,899 Ready to watch your husband give 'em hell? 1901 01:38:36,994 --> 01:38:38,359 I don't know what you're gonna accomplish. 1902 01:38:38,454 --> 01:38:39,819 As soon as Enright realizes... 1903 01:38:39,831 --> 01:38:41,696 What do you want, the two-tone or the oxford? 1904 01:38:41,707 --> 01:38:42,992 You should wear the oxford. 1905 01:38:44,001 --> 01:38:47,334 When Enright realizes he's alone up there and they're gonna cut him loose, 1906 01:38:47,338 --> 01:38:49,329 he will implicate N BC and Geritol like that, 1907 01:38:49,424 --> 01:38:50,834 and believe me, you're gonna see somethin'. 1908 01:38:50,925 --> 01:38:53,587 I know what you're gonna accomplish. 1909 01:38:53,678 --> 01:38:55,418 I just don't know what he's gonna accomplish. 1910 01:38:55,513 --> 01:38:58,926 You wanna know what? If I do nothing else, I will convince them 1911 01:38:59,016 --> 01:39:02,850 that Herbert Stempel knows what won the goddamned Academy Award 1912 01:39:02,937 --> 01:39:05,098 for best goddamned picture of 1955. 1913 01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:08,101 - That's what I'm going to accomplish. - I'm sick of all this. 1914 01:39:08,943 --> 01:39:12,060 The subcommittee calls Herbert Stempel. 1915 01:39:23,207 --> 01:39:25,789 So, in other words, you kept on winning. 1916 01:39:25,877 --> 01:39:27,208 Yes, sir, that is correct. 1917 01:39:27,295 --> 01:39:29,877 At any time during this championship run, 1918 01:39:29,881 --> 01:39:31,872 were you ever assisted in any way? 1919 01:39:31,966 --> 01:39:35,049 I was given the questions and answers in advance. 1920 01:39:35,052 --> 01:39:38,260 Generally, I would receive the questions and answers on Friday. 1921 01:39:38,347 --> 01:39:40,759 Then we'd have sort of a rehearsal on Monday. 1922 01:39:40,766 --> 01:39:43,428 - This is from the very beginning? - Yes. 1923 01:39:43,436 --> 01:39:47,145 Dan Enright came to see me in my kitchen and he said, 1924 01:39:47,231 --> 01:39:51,975 "How'd you like to make $25,000?" And I said, "Who wouldn't?" 1925 01:39:52,069 --> 01:39:53,934 What do you mean by rehearsal? 1926 01:39:54,030 --> 01:39:58,273 Well, for example, he told me how to breathe heavily into the microphone 1927 01:39:58,367 --> 01:40:00,733 and sigh such as this. 1928 01:40:05,374 --> 01:40:07,990 He taught me how to stutter and say in a plaintive voice, 1929 01:40:08,085 --> 01:40:11,953 "I will take, nine... Nine points." 1930 01:40:11,964 --> 01:40:13,295 It was all choreographed. 1931 01:40:13,299 --> 01:40:16,587 How to bite my lip. How to mop my brow. 1932 01:40:16,677 --> 01:40:19,293 He told me specifically not to smear my brow, 1933 01:40:19,305 --> 01:40:21,512 but rather to pat for optimum effect. 1934 01:40:21,599 --> 01:40:23,430 Of course, I'm shvitzing the whole time 1935 01:40:23,434 --> 01:40:24,924 because they turned off the air conditioning. 1936 01:40:24,936 --> 01:40:26,972 Excuse me? 1937 01:40:29,273 --> 01:40:30,809 - That's funny. - Mr. Chairman. 1938 01:40:33,194 --> 01:40:35,185 With your permission, we might at this point, 1939 01:40:35,279 --> 01:40:37,315 view a portion of the program, Twenty-One. 1940 01:40:37,323 --> 01:40:38,813 Whenever you're ready. 1941 01:40:48,292 --> 01:40:52,285 Herb Stempel, with your $69, 500 still at stake, 1942 01:40:52,380 --> 01:40:56,464 although now at $2, 500 a point, the category is... 1943 01:40:57,635 --> 01:40:58,875 Newspapers. 1944 01:40:58,970 --> 01:41:01,336 How many points you wanna try for? 1945 01:41:01,847 --> 01:41:04,634 There. There's the lip biting. 1946 01:41:04,642 --> 01:41:05,973 Yes, we see. 1947 01:41:06,936 --> 01:41:10,303 Finally, I was told to open my eyes 1948 01:41:10,314 --> 01:41:12,805 and with a dazzling smile, give the answer 1949 01:41:12,817 --> 01:41:15,524 and explode when Jack Barry says, "That is right." 1950 01:41:15,861 --> 01:41:17,442 The Emporia Gazette? 1951 01:41:18,072 --> 01:41:19,562 That is right. 1952 01:41:21,993 --> 01:41:23,153 I don't know where he got it all. 1953 01:41:23,244 --> 01:41:26,236 Some article on mass psychology he read in Esquire. 1954 01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:34,411 - I'll try eight points. - Watch Van Doren. 1955 01:41:34,505 --> 01:41:38,589 - He's better at it than I am. - Mr. Stempel, if I might refer you... 1956 01:41:38,676 --> 01:41:41,383 Are you suggesting that Charles Van Doren was also coached? 1957 01:41:41,470 --> 01:41:42,505 Of course he got the answers. 1958 01:41:42,597 --> 01:41:44,838 Why would they give me the answers and not give him the answers? 1959 01:41:44,932 --> 01:41:46,217 Why would they make me take a dive 1960 01:41:46,225 --> 01:41:48,762 unless they knew the other guy would get to 21? 1961 01:41:48,853 --> 01:41:52,345 It's illogical. You don't fix one guy without fixing the other guy. 1962 01:41:52,356 --> 01:41:55,018 It's implausible, mathematically. 1963 01:41:55,693 --> 01:41:58,400 It would be, and you have eight points. 1964 01:41:59,363 --> 01:42:01,695 You see? Look at him. You see with the brow? 1965 01:42:01,699 --> 01:42:03,860 Patting, not smearing. 1966 01:42:03,951 --> 01:42:08,991 Mr. Stempel, have you ever received any psychiatric treatment of any kind? 1967 01:42:10,374 --> 01:42:11,409 What? 1968 01:42:12,043 --> 01:42:15,501 - Mr. Stempel, I was wondering... - Mr. Goodwin, please. 1969 01:42:16,047 --> 01:42:19,756 Five sessions a week. That's pretty extensive, isn't it? 1970 01:42:19,842 --> 01:42:23,881 Well, I believe we can all use a little help at various times in our lives. 1971 01:42:23,888 --> 01:42:26,470 Is it possible that any of your testimony is motivated 1972 01:42:26,557 --> 01:42:30,550 by an irrational animosity toward Mr. Enright? 1973 01:42:30,561 --> 01:42:33,974 I don't know. If a man doesn't live up to his agreement... 1974 01:42:34,065 --> 01:42:36,602 A morbid fixation on Mr. Van Doren? 1975 01:42:36,692 --> 01:42:39,604 If a man promises certain things just to shut me up... 1976 01:42:39,695 --> 01:42:43,438 "How'd you like to make $25,000?" And you said, "Well, who wouldn't?" 1977 01:42:43,532 --> 01:42:47,445 In retrospect, look at Van Doren. I should've held out for a lot more. 1978 01:42:47,453 --> 01:42:50,695 You prostituted your intellectual ability for money. 1979 01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:53,156 That's the difference between me and Van Doren. 1980 01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:55,241 I admit it. I have my morality. 1981 01:42:55,252 --> 01:42:58,915 Charles Van Doren is a professor at Columbia University. 1982 01:42:59,590 --> 01:43:02,047 A Master's degree in astrophysics. 1983 01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:04,591 A Ph. D. In literature. 1984 01:43:05,471 --> 01:43:10,056 Hails from one of the most prominent intellectual families in this country. 1985 01:43:11,227 --> 01:43:13,764 Isn't it just possible, Mr. Stempel, 1986 01:43:14,689 --> 01:43:17,396 that you got the answers and he didn't? 1987 01:43:26,909 --> 01:43:29,821 So I told my husband, "We really need a vacation." 1988 01:43:29,912 --> 01:43:31,868 My husband says, "What are you gonna do with the cat?" 1989 01:43:31,956 --> 01:43:33,696 - Uh-huh. - And I said, "I don't know." 1990 01:43:33,791 --> 01:43:35,247 Good morning. 1991 01:43:36,127 --> 01:43:37,867 Will you excuse us? 1992 01:43:41,132 --> 01:43:43,464 Charlie, I'm Bob Kintner. 1993 01:43:43,801 --> 01:43:45,712 - Oh. - Don't get up. 1994 01:43:45,803 --> 01:43:48,465 - It's about time we met. - Hi. It's a pleasure. 1995 01:43:48,472 --> 01:43:52,181 This whole quiz show mess, and hearings and all that. 1996 01:43:52,268 --> 01:43:55,135 I've been following that in the paper. 1997 01:43:55,229 --> 01:43:59,017 Well, our legal department has prepared this for you. 1998 01:44:08,325 --> 01:44:11,067 We'd like you to hold a press conference. 1999 01:44:12,246 --> 01:44:15,238 Oh, there's a split infinitive here in the second paragraph. 2000 01:44:18,210 --> 01:44:19,450 Shall I schedule it? 2001 01:44:21,005 --> 01:44:22,916 Well, look, um... 2002 01:44:23,007 --> 01:44:24,747 I haven't been subpoenaed, 2003 01:44:24,842 --> 01:44:27,379 and I can't think of anything that'd sound guiltier 2004 01:44:27,470 --> 01:44:31,054 than a man who hasn't been accused of anything protesting his innocence. 2005 01:44:33,684 --> 01:44:38,849 Charlie, speculation in our society has a way of becoming fact. 2006 01:44:41,734 --> 01:44:44,567 Television is a public trust. 2007 01:44:45,279 --> 01:44:48,897 We can't afford even a hint of a scandal in our company. 2008 01:44:52,495 --> 01:44:55,032 Well, I... I'd rather not do it. 2009 01:44:55,831 --> 01:44:57,241 I'm sorry. 2010 01:44:59,293 --> 01:45:01,409 Haven't we been good to you? 2011 01:45:03,047 --> 01:45:06,164 Haven't we treated you like part of our family? 2012 01:45:08,761 --> 01:45:11,673 We have great expectations for you, Charlie. 2013 01:45:14,141 --> 01:45:16,928 I know you're gonna do the right thing. 2014 01:45:40,292 --> 01:45:42,783 - I'm sorry, Mr. Van Doren. - Is he in? 2015 01:45:43,754 --> 01:45:46,086 - He's gone, Mr. Van Doren. - He's gone to Washington? 2016 01:45:46,757 --> 01:45:48,793 Mr. Freedman's gone to Mexico. 2017 01:45:55,558 --> 01:45:56,638 I still don't understand 2018 01:45:56,725 --> 01:45:58,841 how you can hold a quiz show hearing without Van Doren. 2019 01:45:58,936 --> 01:46:01,803 Van Doren had no contact with NBC or Geritol. 2020 01:46:01,814 --> 01:46:03,099 Don't you understand, 2021 01:46:03,107 --> 01:46:05,314 they deal with Enright. Enright's the key here. 2022 01:46:05,401 --> 01:46:07,642 The key to what? The jury hears the public. 2023 01:46:07,736 --> 01:46:09,272 The public doesn't know Dan Enright. 2024 01:46:09,363 --> 01:46:11,274 The purpose is not to reform the souls of the contestants. 2025 01:46:11,282 --> 01:46:12,772 The purpose is to reform TV. 2026 01:46:12,783 --> 01:46:14,614 It's like the Barenblatt and the Sweezy cases. 2027 01:46:14,702 --> 01:46:15,817 You don't wanna call him. 2028 01:46:15,911 --> 01:46:18,323 Fine, Dick. Just don't patronize me with your legal bullshit. 2029 01:46:18,414 --> 01:46:19,824 She's got a point, Dick. 2030 01:46:19,832 --> 01:46:22,289 Bob, maybe it's time for you to go home. 2031 01:46:22,376 --> 01:46:24,332 How'd you like Dick's steak done, Bob? Medium? 2032 01:46:24,336 --> 01:46:26,452 There's absolutely no need to drag the man into the spotlight. 2033 01:46:26,463 --> 01:46:28,203 You dragged Herb Stempel in. 2034 01:46:28,299 --> 01:46:29,664 The man has to be 2035 01:46:29,758 --> 01:46:31,840 dragged from the spotlight with his teethmarks still on it. 2036 01:46:31,927 --> 01:46:33,042 Yeah, well, nobody forced 2037 01:46:33,137 --> 01:46:35,344 Charles Van Doren to go in front of 50 million people either. 2038 01:46:35,431 --> 01:46:38,798 This is not McCarthyism. We are not here to expose for the sake of exposing. 2039 01:46:38,809 --> 01:46:42,051 - This is not the point. - That is the point. That is not your point. 2040 01:46:42,146 --> 01:46:45,684 You are ten times the man Charles Van Doren is. 2041 01:46:45,774 --> 01:46:49,141 Ten times the brain and ten times the human being. 2042 01:46:49,236 --> 01:46:51,852 Meanwhile, you're bending over backwards for him. 2043 01:46:51,864 --> 01:46:54,526 You are like the Uncle Tom of the Jews. 2044 01:46:56,035 --> 01:46:58,196 I'm glad it's so easy for you to destroy a man's life. 2045 01:46:58,203 --> 01:46:59,534 I'll have to keep that in mind. 2046 01:47:00,873 --> 01:47:02,488 Bob, sit down. 2047 01:47:04,793 --> 01:47:06,533 The quiz show hearings without Van Doren 2048 01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:08,620 is like doing Hamlet without Hamlet. 2049 01:47:13,802 --> 01:47:14,882 The Chairman's instructions 2050 01:47:14,970 --> 01:47:17,211 are for me to get you up there as promptly as possible. 2051 01:47:17,222 --> 01:47:19,383 The questions are to take no longer than 15 minutes. 2052 01:47:19,391 --> 01:47:21,006 You're to receive the questions in advance, 2053 01:47:21,101 --> 01:47:24,389 and I'm to thank you for the courtesy of attending this hearing. 2054 01:47:28,067 --> 01:47:31,104 Mercy. What a grueling line of inquiry. 2055 01:47:31,654 --> 01:47:35,238 Must have a familiar ring, the questions in advance. 2056 01:47:38,077 --> 01:47:40,819 Would you excuse us for a moment, please? 2057 01:47:43,666 --> 01:47:45,873 Take this, please. Thank you. 2058 01:47:49,254 --> 01:47:51,540 Young man... 2059 01:47:51,632 --> 01:47:54,920 The ratings went up if the same contestant came back week after week. 2060 01:47:54,927 --> 01:47:58,169 There was only one way for that to happen. You had to know that. 2061 01:47:58,722 --> 01:48:02,556 Young man, I sell over $ 14 million a year worth of Geritol. 2062 01:48:02,559 --> 01:48:05,551 Geritol. That's the kind of businessman I am. 2063 01:48:05,688 --> 01:48:09,101 That show, Twenty-One, cost me three and a half million year in, year out. 2064 01:48:09,108 --> 01:48:12,692 Sales went up 50% when Van Doren was on. 50%. 2065 01:48:14,238 --> 01:48:18,823 So the very idea that I was unaware of every detail of that show's operation, 2066 01:48:19,535 --> 01:48:21,617 frankly, it's very insulting. 2067 01:48:21,620 --> 01:48:23,451 - So you knew. - That's even more insulting. 2068 01:48:23,539 --> 01:48:25,279 - You had to know... - It's not about what I know. 2069 01:48:25,290 --> 01:48:26,325 It's about what you know. 2070 01:48:26,417 --> 01:48:27,907 You don't know what I know. 2071 01:48:27,918 --> 01:48:29,954 You know that Dan Enright ran a crooked quiz show. 2072 01:48:29,962 --> 01:48:31,327 He never informed you? 2073 01:48:33,424 --> 01:48:34,630 Did he? 2074 01:48:34,717 --> 01:48:36,673 Let's see what he says. 2075 01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:42,005 Dan? Look, Dan Enright wants a future in television, okay? 2076 01:48:42,099 --> 01:48:45,262 You have to understand that the public has a very short memory. 2077 01:48:45,352 --> 01:48:47,468 But corporations, they never forget. 2078 01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:50,141 He's not that stupid. He knows he's through. 2079 01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:54,392 No. He'll be back. NBC is gonna go on. Geritol's gonna go on. 2080 01:48:55,279 --> 01:48:57,440 Makes me wonder what you hope to accomplish with all this. 2081 01:48:57,531 --> 01:48:59,362 Don't worry. I'm just gettin' started. 2082 01:48:59,950 --> 01:49:02,612 Even the quiz shows'll be back. Why fix them? 2083 01:49:02,703 --> 01:49:04,034 Think about it. 2084 01:49:04,121 --> 01:49:07,113 You could do exactly the same thing by just making the questions easier. 2085 01:49:07,207 --> 01:49:08,367 The audience didn't tune in 2086 01:49:08,459 --> 01:49:11,292 to watch some amazing display of intellectual ability. 2087 01:49:13,839 --> 01:49:17,002 They just wanted to watch the money. 2088 01:49:17,009 --> 01:49:19,625 Imagine if they could watch you. 2089 01:49:22,514 --> 01:49:26,803 You're a bright young kid with a bright future. Watch yourself out there. 2090 01:49:27,061 --> 01:49:29,803 I turned in my clubs after that day. 2091 01:49:29,897 --> 01:49:32,183 Well, you weren't too good when you were out on the links 2092 01:49:32,274 --> 01:49:33,514 with me that day. 2093 01:49:33,525 --> 01:49:35,311 I can't wait to get you out there again. 2094 01:49:36,445 --> 01:49:39,152 - Stuck in that sand trap for an hour. - No more for me. 2095 01:49:39,281 --> 01:49:42,648 Would you state your name and profession? 2096 01:49:42,743 --> 01:49:44,654 My name is Robert Kintner. 2097 01:49:44,661 --> 01:49:47,152 I'm the president of the National Broadcasting Company. 2098 01:49:47,247 --> 01:49:50,739 My name is Martin Rittenhome. I run Pharmaceuticals Incorporated. 2099 01:49:50,834 --> 01:49:53,496 I take that responsibility very seriously, Congressman. 2100 01:49:53,504 --> 01:49:56,496 We immediately commenced our own internal investigation. 2101 01:49:56,590 --> 01:49:59,332 To ferret out this corruption wherever it may exist. 2102 01:49:59,343 --> 01:50:02,210 Nobody brought the article in Time magazine to your attention? 2103 01:50:02,346 --> 01:50:04,382 I was in Europe. I didn't see it. 2104 01:50:04,973 --> 01:50:06,759 You didn't see it. You were traveling. 2105 01:50:06,850 --> 01:50:08,511 I didn't see it. I was traveling at the time. 2106 01:50:08,519 --> 01:50:11,056 You sure you never asked about particular contestants 2107 01:50:11,146 --> 01:50:12,852 or about the ratings, nothing? 2108 01:50:12,981 --> 01:50:14,346 That was their department. 2109 01:50:14,358 --> 01:50:17,191 I relied on the excellent reputation of Dan Enright. 2110 01:50:17,194 --> 01:50:19,936 Dan Enright was more in the nature of an independent contractor. 2111 01:50:20,030 --> 01:50:22,612 Do you remember what you thought when you found out? 2112 01:50:22,699 --> 01:50:24,030 I was as shocked as you are. I mean, 2113 01:50:24,118 --> 01:50:25,904 this was a terrible thing to do to the American people. 2114 01:50:25,911 --> 01:50:28,197 I never, never imagined 2115 01:50:28,288 --> 01:50:31,746 they could perpetrate this fraud on the American public. 2116 01:50:31,875 --> 01:50:35,709 I'd like to say one other thing. I think all that money should be returned. 2117 01:50:36,547 --> 01:50:39,539 Mr. Goodwin, any further questions? 2118 01:50:41,051 --> 01:50:44,339 No, sir, thank you. No further questions. 2119 01:50:47,808 --> 01:50:50,299 On behalf of the subcommittee, 2120 01:50:50,394 --> 01:50:52,601 I wish to thank you for your appearance 2121 01:50:52,688 --> 01:50:55,225 and your testimony here. 2122 01:51:05,617 --> 01:51:07,482 Van Doren's made a statement. 2123 01:51:07,578 --> 01:51:11,787 I look like the mark in a shell game here, and you look like the shill. 2124 01:51:11,915 --> 01:51:14,281 - Sir, if you... - Shut up. 2125 01:51:14,293 --> 01:51:15,749 When is Van Doren coming here? 2126 01:51:15,836 --> 01:51:18,077 - I don't see him on the schedule. - He's not on the schedule. 2127 01:51:18,172 --> 01:51:20,629 Wait a minute. We discussed this. The contestants are not the villains. 2128 01:51:20,632 --> 01:51:22,839 We were gonna only bring in the ones who would come in voluntarily. 2129 01:51:22,926 --> 01:51:24,587 All I know is in the last hour, 2130 01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:27,132 I've gotten over 200 telegrams from people askin' me 2131 01:51:27,139 --> 01:51:29,926 why I won't let poor Charles Van Doren defend himself. 2132 01:51:29,933 --> 01:51:33,175 I've got every woman in Arkadelphia squealin' like a pig under a gate. 2133 01:51:33,312 --> 01:51:34,802 Let me tell you somethin'. These women vote. 2134 01:51:34,938 --> 01:51:36,474 I cannot believe this. 2135 01:51:36,565 --> 01:51:38,271 Where is Albert Freedman? 2136 01:51:38,358 --> 01:51:40,098 The marshals are bringing him back from Mexico. 2137 01:51:40,402 --> 01:51:41,858 By what? By mule? 2138 01:51:41,945 --> 01:51:44,687 Sir, please, just tell me what it is that he said. 2139 01:51:45,908 --> 01:51:48,945 "Mr. Van Doren made himself available to the subcommittee staff. 2140 01:51:49,077 --> 01:51:51,614 "He has advised them at no time was he supplied 2141 01:51:51,622 --> 01:51:54,455 "with any questions, answers..." 2142 01:52:18,899 --> 01:52:21,185 That statement of yours took me a bit by surprise. 2143 01:52:21,276 --> 01:52:23,312 I know. I know. We had a deal. 2144 01:52:23,403 --> 01:52:26,736 I asked myself, "Why would he make a statement like that? 2145 01:52:27,074 --> 01:52:30,487 "He knows I'll come after him." 2146 01:52:30,494 --> 01:52:33,201 But then it occurred to me. 2147 01:52:33,205 --> 01:52:36,072 He knows I'll come after him. 2148 01:52:38,293 --> 01:52:42,411 I can't decide if you think too much of me or too little. 2149 01:52:42,714 --> 01:52:45,922 Charlie, I wanna think the best of you. 2150 01:52:46,009 --> 01:52:48,625 Everyone does. 2151 01:52:48,804 --> 01:52:51,511 That's your curse. 2152 01:52:51,640 --> 01:52:55,508 - Did you bring a subpoena? - Right here. 2153 01:52:58,355 --> 01:53:00,220 Well? 2154 01:53:02,859 --> 01:53:05,896 I remember five, six years ago, my Uncle Harold told my aunt 2155 01:53:06,029 --> 01:53:07,860 about this affair he had. 2156 01:53:07,948 --> 01:53:10,189 It was a sort of mildly upsetting event in my family. 2157 01:53:10,284 --> 01:53:12,115 Mmm-hmm. Mildly? 2158 01:53:12,286 --> 01:53:14,197 You have to put it in context. 2159 01:53:14,288 --> 01:53:17,075 The thing of it is, the affair was over like eight years. 2160 01:53:17,082 --> 01:53:21,451 So, I remember askin' him, "Why'd you tell her? You got away with it." 2161 01:53:21,586 --> 01:53:24,669 I'll never forget what he said. 2162 01:53:25,882 --> 01:53:28,874 It was the "getting away with it" part he couldn't live with. 2163 01:53:31,763 --> 01:53:33,754 I might take that chance. 2164 01:53:37,561 --> 01:53:40,894 A chance is what I'm givin' ya. 2165 01:53:43,900 --> 01:53:46,437 - Don Quixote is life. - I still don't see 2166 01:53:46,445 --> 01:53:51,235 how this old guy with a horse and a fat old sidekick can think he's a knight. 2167 01:53:51,241 --> 01:53:53,903 It means if you wanna be a knight, act like a knight. 2168 01:53:53,994 --> 01:53:55,734 Okay. 2169 01:53:55,829 --> 01:53:58,741 Act like a knight? You act like a knight. 2170 01:53:58,832 --> 01:54:01,289 I am a knight. 2171 01:54:01,376 --> 01:54:02,741 I shall miss them. 2172 01:54:02,836 --> 01:54:05,452 What is this? That retirement business again? 2173 01:54:05,464 --> 01:54:08,627 That'd be like a snail retiring from his shell. 2174 01:54:08,717 --> 01:54:13,586 I can't go on doing this forever. It's for you now, Charlie. 2175 01:54:13,680 --> 01:54:16,763 So, what's the news? Did you read Norman Mailer in Dissent? 2176 01:54:16,850 --> 01:54:18,590 I only glanced at it. 2177 01:54:18,769 --> 01:54:22,762 Everyone's talking about it. They don't know whether he's a genius or a fool. 2178 01:54:22,939 --> 01:54:25,931 Have you heard there's this congressional committee that's... 2179 01:54:26,026 --> 01:54:28,062 Well, they're investigating the quiz shows. 2180 01:54:28,153 --> 01:54:30,269 I read that. What's it about? 2181 01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:32,817 Well, evidently, certain of the contestants 2182 01:54:32,908 --> 01:54:35,490 were given the answers in advance. 2183 01:54:35,619 --> 01:54:39,703 Cheating on a quiz show. That's like plagiarizing a comic strip. 2184 01:54:39,790 --> 01:54:42,532 Well, at any rate, it seems the committee wants to call me 2185 01:54:42,626 --> 01:54:43,832 to testify. 2186 01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:47,544 Oh, I've testified before. Funding for the arts. It's nothing. 2187 01:54:47,672 --> 01:54:51,540 - I think this is a little different. - You'll run circles round them. 2188 01:54:51,676 --> 01:54:54,258 It's not exactly Jefferson and Lincoln down there anymore. 2189 01:54:54,388 --> 01:54:56,549 I think this is a little different. 2190 01:54:56,681 --> 01:54:59,514 I'd think you'd be glad at a chance to clear your name. 2191 01:54:59,601 --> 01:55:00,966 Otherwise, people might believe... 2192 01:55:01,061 --> 01:55:04,098 People will believe whatever they want to believe. That's not the issue. 2193 01:55:04,439 --> 01:55:07,021 Just tell 'em the truth. You'll do fine. 2194 01:55:07,025 --> 01:55:09,892 The real issue, Charlie, is how this keeps distracting you 2195 01:55:10,028 --> 01:55:11,017 from your teaching. 2196 01:55:11,154 --> 01:55:14,362 This and that program in the morning, though you insist that it doesn't. 2197 01:55:14,366 --> 01:55:17,324 Dad, I can't simply just tell 'em the truth. 2198 01:55:20,205 --> 01:55:22,696 Can't tell them the truth? 2199 01:55:23,333 --> 01:55:25,324 Why on earth not? 2200 01:55:25,961 --> 01:55:27,292 It's complicated. 2201 01:55:28,839 --> 01:55:30,329 Complicated? 2202 01:55:30,632 --> 01:55:33,965 Yeah, I can't. I... 2203 01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:37,210 Charlie, from what I understand, it's just this bunch of frauds 2204 01:55:37,305 --> 01:55:40,263 showing off an erudition they didn't really have. 2205 01:55:40,976 --> 01:55:42,841 - All you have to do... - The problem is 2206 01:55:42,936 --> 01:55:45,769 it seems I was one of those frauds. 2207 01:55:47,524 --> 01:55:49,355 What? 2208 01:55:58,201 --> 01:56:00,567 What... What do you mean? 2209 01:56:01,788 --> 01:56:04,325 They gave me the answers. 2210 01:56:04,749 --> 01:56:07,616 They gave you the answers. 2211 01:56:08,795 --> 01:56:10,535 They gave you the answers. 2212 01:56:10,630 --> 01:56:12,871 Well... No, no. 2213 01:56:12,883 --> 01:56:16,421 At first, they asked me questions they already knew I knew the answers to. 2214 01:56:16,428 --> 01:56:18,089 We ran through those, and I still didn't want them 2215 01:56:18,096 --> 01:56:19,552 to give me the answers, 2216 01:56:19,639 --> 01:56:22,597 so I had them give me questions and I'd go look up the answers, 2217 01:56:22,726 --> 01:56:24,057 as if that were any different. 2218 01:56:24,060 --> 01:56:26,176 We ran through those in a couple of weeks. 2219 01:56:26,271 --> 01:56:29,638 Then I just didn't have the time. Finally, it just seemed silly. 2220 01:56:29,733 --> 01:56:33,726 They gave you all that money to answer questions they knew you knew? 2221 01:56:33,737 --> 01:56:36,399 - Now, that's inflation. - You're not being very helpful. 2222 01:56:36,490 --> 01:56:38,731 I'm sorry, Charlie. I'm an old man. 2223 01:56:38,825 --> 01:56:40,565 It's all a little difficult for me to comprehend. 2224 01:56:40,660 --> 01:56:43,242 It's television, Dad. It's just television. 2225 01:56:43,246 --> 01:56:45,111 You make it sound like you didn't have a choice. 2226 01:56:45,248 --> 01:56:46,454 What was I supposed to do at that point? 2227 01:56:46,541 --> 01:56:47,951 Disillusion the whole goddamn country? 2228 01:56:47,959 --> 01:56:50,826 - You took the money. - Yes, I know. I took the money. 2229 01:56:50,921 --> 01:56:55,039 - Is that what this was about? - No. No. I don't know. 2230 01:56:55,425 --> 01:56:58,132 It was a goddamned quiz show, Charlie. 2231 01:56:58,261 --> 01:57:01,628 - "An ill-favored thing, sir." - This is not the time to play games. 2232 01:57:01,723 --> 01:57:06,308 - "But mine own." It was mine. - Your name is mine. 2233 01:57:21,409 --> 01:57:24,116 Charlie. 2234 01:57:29,793 --> 01:57:31,829 I'm sorry. 2235 01:57:33,129 --> 01:57:35,620 I'm really sorry, Dad. 2236 01:57:36,967 --> 01:57:39,174 You'll be 2237 01:57:40,303 --> 01:57:44,296 dragged into all this, you and Mother. 2238 01:57:45,850 --> 01:57:48,967 Oh, my God, Charlie. 2239 01:57:49,104 --> 01:57:52,767 How are you gonna tell that committee? 2240 01:57:55,527 --> 01:57:57,563 Will you come down there with me? 2241 01:58:02,033 --> 01:58:05,491 The, uh, subcommittee calls Charles Van Doren. 2242 01:58:30,478 --> 01:58:32,890 Photographers will please clear the room. 2243 01:58:34,190 --> 01:58:37,227 - Will you please state your name? - Charles Van Doren. 2244 01:58:37,235 --> 01:58:39,692 I've gotta get in there. I've gotta get in there. 2245 01:58:39,821 --> 01:58:41,903 Excuse me, sir. 2246 01:58:41,906 --> 01:58:45,023 Wait a minute. Hey, you, come back here. 2247 01:58:45,035 --> 01:58:46,525 Do you solemnly swear that the testimony 2248 01:58:46,620 --> 01:58:48,531 you are about to give will be the truth, 2249 01:58:48,538 --> 01:58:50,779 the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 2250 01:58:50,874 --> 01:58:51,863 I do. 2251 01:58:59,591 --> 01:59:01,923 Now, we are advised that you have 2252 01:59:02,052 --> 01:59:06,216 a prepared statement that you would prefer to give at the outset? 2253 01:59:06,348 --> 01:59:08,634 Yes, sir. Might I first have a glass of water? 2254 01:59:08,725 --> 01:59:10,181 Of course you may. 2255 01:59:21,738 --> 01:59:23,478 You may proceed. 2256 01:59:33,416 --> 01:59:35,828 I would give almost anything I have 2257 01:59:35,919 --> 01:59:39,252 to reverse the course of my life in the last year. 2258 01:59:41,216 --> 01:59:44,504 The past doesn't change for anyone. 2259 01:59:44,969 --> 01:59:47,927 But at least I can learn from the past. 2260 01:59:49,307 --> 01:59:52,174 I've learned a lot about life. 2261 01:59:52,602 --> 01:59:54,934 I've learned a lot about myself 2262 01:59:56,439 --> 02:00:00,398 and about the responsibilities any man has to his fellow men. 2263 02:00:02,278 --> 02:00:04,439 I've learned a lot about good and evil. 2264 02:00:04,447 --> 02:00:06,608 They're not always what they appear to be. 2265 02:00:10,829 --> 02:00:13,286 I was involved, 2266 02:00:14,374 --> 02:00:17,457 deeply involved, in a deception. 2267 02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:21,081 I have deceived my friends. 2268 02:00:22,966 --> 02:00:26,299 And I had millions of them. 2269 02:00:32,892 --> 02:00:35,634 I lied to the American people. 2270 02:00:37,063 --> 02:00:42,558 I lied about what I knew, and then I lied about what I did not know. 2271 02:00:45,989 --> 02:00:47,854 In a sense, I was like a child 2272 02:00:47,866 --> 02:00:50,949 who refuses to admit a fact in the hope that it'll go away. 2273 02:00:52,662 --> 02:00:55,654 Of course it did not go away. 2274 02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:58,991 I was scared, 2275 02:01:00,503 --> 02:01:02,084 scared to death. 2276 02:01:03,506 --> 02:01:05,042 I had no solid position. 2277 02:01:05,049 --> 02:01:08,337 No basis to stand on for myself. 2278 02:01:08,428 --> 02:01:13,548 There was one way out and that was simply to tell the truth. 2279 02:01:18,271 --> 02:01:19,727 It may sound trite to you, 2280 02:01:19,814 --> 02:01:22,977 but I've found myself again after a number of years. 2281 02:01:24,861 --> 02:01:27,819 I've been acting a role, 2282 02:01:29,866 --> 02:01:32,699 maybe all my life, of thinking I've done more, 2283 02:01:33,870 --> 02:01:37,328 accomplished more, produced more than I have. 2284 02:01:39,375 --> 02:01:42,412 I have had all the breaks. 2285 02:01:45,548 --> 02:01:47,630 I have stood on the shoulders of life, 2286 02:01:47,717 --> 02:01:51,255 and I've never gotten down into the dirt to build, 2287 02:01:51,387 --> 02:01:54,345 to erect a foundation of my own. 2288 02:01:56,351 --> 02:01:59,468 I have flown too high on borrowed wings. 2289 02:02:03,024 --> 02:02:05,857 Everything came too easy. 2290 02:02:07,904 --> 02:02:10,862 That is why I am here today. 2291 02:02:19,666 --> 02:02:21,782 Mr. Van Doren, 2292 02:02:22,085 --> 02:02:25,248 I want to compliment you for that statement. 2293 02:02:26,965 --> 02:02:28,830 Thank you, sir. 2294 02:02:28,967 --> 02:02:32,801 Mr. Van Doren, I would like to join the Chairman in commending you 2295 02:02:33,930 --> 02:02:38,469 for the soul-searching fortitude displayed in your statement. 2296 02:02:38,476 --> 02:02:41,809 - Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. - Mr. Van Doren, 2297 02:02:41,813 --> 02:02:43,929 I just wanna add my kudos. 2298 02:02:44,524 --> 02:02:48,187 I have listened to many witnesses, in both civil 2299 02:02:48,278 --> 02:02:50,018 and criminal matters, 2300 02:02:50,113 --> 02:02:53,196 and yours is the most soul-searching confession 2301 02:02:53,283 --> 02:02:55,524 I think I've heard in a long time. 2302 02:02:55,618 --> 02:02:57,609 Thank you, sir. 2303 02:02:57,787 --> 02:03:00,073 Mr. Van Doren, 2304 02:03:00,874 --> 02:03:04,458 I'm also from New York, a different part of New York. 2305 02:03:05,628 --> 02:03:07,459 I'm happy that you've made the statement, 2306 02:03:07,547 --> 02:03:09,788 but I cannot agree with most of my colleagues. 2307 02:03:11,301 --> 02:03:14,885 You see, I don't think an adult of your intelligence ought to be commended 2308 02:03:14,971 --> 02:03:17,963 for simply at long last telling the truth. 2309 02:03:51,049 --> 02:03:56,260 If the committee has nothing to add, Mr. Van Doren, you are dismissed. 2310 02:04:04,479 --> 02:04:06,891 Charlie. Over here. 2311 02:04:18,952 --> 02:04:20,738 Let him out, boys. 2312 02:04:29,629 --> 02:04:32,041 The subcommittee will come to order. 2313 02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:37,209 Our next witness will be Mr. Daniel Enright. 2314 02:04:45,895 --> 02:04:47,931 Charles, you're gonna have to answer some questions. 2315 02:04:47,939 --> 02:04:49,179 Okay, one at a time. 2316 02:04:49,565 --> 02:04:52,272 - How do you feel, Charlie? - Relieved. 2317 02:04:52,443 --> 02:04:55,025 ...the truth, the whole truth and nothin' but the truth, so help you God? 2318 02:04:55,113 --> 02:04:57,195 - I do. - Who helped you write that statement? 2319 02:04:57,323 --> 02:04:59,405 Did you know you'd been fired by N BC? 2320 02:05:00,451 --> 02:05:01,987 No, I didn't know. 2321 02:05:02,120 --> 02:05:03,951 What do you have to say to the young people? 2322 02:05:03,955 --> 02:05:05,661 Are you proud of your son? 2323 02:05:05,790 --> 02:05:08,907 - I've always been proud of Charlie. - Proud of what he did? 2324 02:05:09,085 --> 02:05:12,327 The most important thing now is for Charlie to get back to his teaching. 2325 02:05:12,422 --> 02:05:14,583 Did you know Columbia trustees are meeting right now? 2326 02:05:14,799 --> 02:05:16,915 They're going to ask for Charlie's resignation. 2327 02:05:20,221 --> 02:05:22,633 Professor Van Doren, you spent your whole career at Columbia. 2328 02:05:22,640 --> 02:05:24,631 What's your reaction to that? 2329 02:05:26,102 --> 02:05:27,967 Prof. Van Doren? 2330 02:05:31,607 --> 02:05:33,814 Dad, go ahead with Mother. I'll meet you outside. 2331 02:05:33,943 --> 02:05:36,059 - No reaction. - Charles, a few more questions. 2332 02:05:38,781 --> 02:05:42,239 Did the network or sponsor bring pressure on you 2333 02:05:42,326 --> 02:05:45,238 to bring the same contestant back week after week? 2334 02:05:45,329 --> 02:05:46,739 No, sir. 2335 02:05:47,123 --> 02:05:49,114 Did they express any approval 2336 02:05:49,125 --> 02:05:51,241 or disapproval of any particular contestant? 2337 02:05:51,794 --> 02:05:53,785 Never. Not to me. 2338 02:05:54,297 --> 02:05:55,377 Were they aware 2339 02:05:55,465 --> 02:05:58,923 that you were supplying the contestants with the answers? 2340 02:06:00,344 --> 02:06:04,257 No, sir. They had no knowledge whatsoever. 2341 02:06:04,474 --> 02:06:08,717 Herb Stempel. Herbie, how 'bout a picture, you and Van Doren together? 2342 02:06:08,811 --> 02:06:11,018 No. Not now. Christ, look at the guy. 2343 02:06:11,105 --> 02:06:12,311 Come on, the both of you. 2344 02:06:12,398 --> 02:06:14,354 You know what the problem with you bums is? 2345 02:06:14,484 --> 02:06:17,021 You never leave a guy alone unless you're leaving him alone. 2346 02:06:17,028 --> 02:06:19,565 - Who do you blame, Charlie? - Professor, one more shot. 2347 02:06:20,698 --> 02:06:22,313 Did you feel the committee treated you fairly? 2348 02:06:22,325 --> 02:06:24,566 How'd the pressure up there compare to Twenty-One? 2349 02:06:24,702 --> 02:06:28,615 So you freely admit that you helped rig these shows? 2350 02:06:28,706 --> 02:06:31,322 - What else could we do? - Congratulations. 2351 02:06:31,417 --> 02:06:33,499 - For what? - Van Doren. 2352 02:06:34,045 --> 02:06:37,503 I thought we were gonna get television. 2353 02:06:38,174 --> 02:06:42,008 The truth is television is gonna get us. 2354 02:06:44,013 --> 02:06:47,847 And you obviously don't think you did anything wrong. 2355 02:06:47,975 --> 02:06:51,888 Yes, we did one thing wrong. We were too successful. 2356 02:06:52,021 --> 02:06:54,012 You were too successful. 2357 02:06:54,023 --> 02:06:57,390 Those advertising dollars came from somewhere. 2358 02:06:57,527 --> 02:06:59,392 Why do you think the newspapers and magazines 2359 02:06:59,403 --> 02:07:01,064 are making such a big thing about this? 2360 02:07:01,739 --> 02:07:03,695 Mr. Enright, 2361 02:07:03,699 --> 02:07:06,532 you make it sound like you are the victim here. 2362 02:07:06,619 --> 02:07:09,201 The sponsor makes out, the network makes out, 2363 02:07:09,539 --> 02:07:13,031 the contestants see money they would never see in a lifetime 2364 02:07:13,042 --> 02:07:14,407 and the public is entertained. 2365 02:07:14,544 --> 02:07:16,409 So who gets hurt? 2366 02:07:24,679 --> 02:07:26,465 Mr. Freedman, 2367 02:07:26,556 --> 02:07:30,925 you freely admit that you helped rig these shows? 2368 02:07:31,060 --> 02:07:34,678 - Yes, sir. - "Yes, sir"? That's it? 2369 02:07:35,898 --> 02:07:38,605 Well, sir, I don't know what else to say. 2370 02:07:38,734 --> 02:07:42,898 Give the public what they want. It's like your business. 2371 02:07:43,072 --> 02:07:48,112 Do you see a need for government regulation in this area? 2372 02:07:48,244 --> 02:07:51,532 You know, it's not like the quiz shows are a public utility, sir. 2373 02:07:51,622 --> 02:07:53,783 It's entertainment. 2374 02:07:53,916 --> 02:07:56,328 We're not exactly hardened criminals here. 2375 02:07:56,460 --> 02:07:59,452 We're in show business. 2376 02:08:43,633 --> 02:08:46,670 See the shark with 2377 02:08:47,136 --> 02:08:50,469 Teeth like razors 2378 02:08:50,973 --> 02:08:53,840 You can read his 2379 02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:57,267 Open face 2380 02:08:58,189 --> 02:09:00,305 And Macheath 2381 02:09:00,316 --> 02:09:04,650 He's got a knife, but 2382 02:09:05,738 --> 02:09:07,820 Not in such 2383 02:09:07,823 --> 02:09:12,192 An obvious place 2384 02:09:13,037 --> 02:09:15,403 On a beautiful 2385 02:09:17,041 --> 02:09:19,327 Blue Sunday 2386 02:09:20,211 --> 02:09:22,327 See the corpse 2387 02:09:23,005 --> 02:09:26,338 Stretched in the Strand 2388 02:09:27,343 --> 02:09:31,256 See a man dodge 2389 02:09:31,347 --> 02:09:33,679 Round the corner 2390 02:09:34,725 --> 02:09:37,341 Mackie's friends will 2391 02:09:38,354 --> 02:09:41,061 Understand 2392 02:09:42,316 --> 02:09:43,522 Mr. Meier 2393 02:09:45,444 --> 02:09:47,856 Reported missing 2394 02:09:49,115 --> 02:09:51,356 Like so many 2395 02:09:52,493 --> 02:09:55,030 Wealthy men 2396 02:09:56,247 --> 02:09:57,908 Mack the Knife 2397 02:09:57,999 --> 02:10:02,368 Acquired his cash box 2398 02:10:03,337 --> 02:10:06,750 God alone knows 2399 02:10:06,841 --> 02:10:09,924 How or when 2400 02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:12,802 Jenny Towler 2401 02:10:13,264 --> 02:10:16,347 She turned up lately 2402 02:10:17,351 --> 02:10:19,842 With a knife stuck 2403 02:10:20,604 --> 02:10:23,266 Through her breast 2404 02:10:24,483 --> 02:10:26,098 While Macheath 2405 02:10:26,193 --> 02:10:30,186 He walks the Embankment 2406 02:10:30,948 --> 02:10:34,532 Nonchalantly 2407 02:10:34,744 --> 02:10:37,360 Unimpressed 2408 02:10:38,289 --> 02:10:40,405 And the ghastly 2409 02:10:41,375 --> 02:10:44,242 Fire in Soho 2410 02:10:44,795 --> 02:10:47,878 Seven children 2411 02:10:48,507 --> 02:10:50,714 At a go 2412 02:10:51,802 --> 02:10:54,965 In the crowd stands 2413 02:10:55,056 --> 02:10:57,968 Mack the Knife, but 2414 02:10:58,059 --> 02:11:00,425 He isn't asked 2415 02:11:01,437 --> 02:11:04,349 He doesn't know 2416 02:11:05,608 --> 02:11:08,441 And the child-bride 2417 02:11:08,903 --> 02:11:11,815 In her nightgown 2418 02:11:12,406 --> 02:11:15,148 Whose assailant's 2419 02:11:15,242 --> 02:11:18,530 Still at large 2420 02:11:19,163 --> 02:11:22,155 Violated 2421 02:11:22,166 --> 02:11:24,953 In her slumbers 2422 02:11:25,836 --> 02:11:28,373 Mackie, how much 2423 02:11:29,006 --> 02:11:32,248 Did you charge? 2424 02:11:32,635 --> 02:11:35,627 Yes, the child-bride 2425 02:11:36,097 --> 02:11:39,305 In her nightgown 2426 02:11:39,392 --> 02:11:42,304 Her assailant's 2427 02:11:42,311 --> 02:11:46,145 Still at large 2428 02:11:46,148 --> 02:11:49,311 Violated 2429 02:11:49,318 --> 02:11:52,685 In her slumbers 2430 02:11:52,780 --> 02:11:56,147 Mackie, how much 2431 02:11:56,158 --> 02:11:59,696 Did you charge? 2432 02:11:59,787 --> 02:12:03,325 Mackie, how much did you charge? 2433 02:12:03,332 --> 02:12:09,919 How much did you charge? 2434 02:12:10,214 --> 02:12:13,627 How much did you charge? 2435 02:12:14,051 --> 02:12:18,420 How much did you charge?201704

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