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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,130 --> 00:00:14,110 You think you know the full story about America's most famous monster. 2 00:00:14,630 --> 00:00:18,170 One of the nation's worst mass murder cases ever. 3 00:00:18,570 --> 00:00:20,690 Police found a grisly scene. 4 00:00:21,590 --> 00:00:26,050 A human head plus several more skulls and parts of bodies. 5 00:00:28,870 --> 00:00:35,110 But Jeffrey Dahmer's twisted tale 6 00:00:35,110 --> 00:00:37,090 doesn't end with his conviction. 7 00:00:39,500 --> 00:00:45,040 This is the story of the next horrific chapter in the Milwaukee cannibal's 8 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,880 His brief time behind bars. 9 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,060 Convicted mass murderer Jeffrey Dahmer has been killed. 10 00:00:56,300 --> 00:00:58,980 Told by those who knew him best. 11 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,860 Prison life was not going to be easy for Mr. Dahmer. 12 00:01:03,020 --> 00:01:06,280 Okay, I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for 13 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:07,280 the good of your sin. 14 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,460 He went from being a monster to becoming a real person. 15 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:16,620 I've interviewed a lot of criminals, and Jeffrey Dahmer's demeanor was sad. 16 00:01:17,260 --> 00:01:18,480 Did you kill Dahmer? 17 00:01:18,700 --> 00:01:20,260 No exception to the rules. 18 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:26,140 He said I killed him because I did not feel that he had the right to be called 19 00:01:26,140 --> 00:01:27,140 murderer. 20 00:01:28,180 --> 00:01:30,600 I thought right away that it was a setup. 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,360 Somebody finally did something. 22 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,540 He's finally facing some sort of justice. 23 00:02:00,460 --> 00:02:05,560 It's an ordinary Monday at the Columbia Correctional Institution in Portage, 24 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:11,039 Wisconsin. The maximum security prison housing one of the country's most 25 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:16,320 terrifying boogeymen, serial killer and cannibal, Jeffrey Dahmer. 26 00:02:17,420 --> 00:02:22,420 On the morning of November 28, 1994, Jeffrey Dahmer finds himself on a work 27 00:02:22,420 --> 00:02:23,660 detail with two other inmates, 28 00:02:24,640 --> 00:02:27,100 Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver. 29 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:33,240 They had been assigned to clean the gym and the locker room and then go back to 30 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,240 their cells. 31 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,020 Dahmer, he's still supposed to kind of have a guard there watching him. 32 00:02:38,660 --> 00:02:43,960 And for whatever reason, the guards, they left all three of these men alone, 33 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:45,820 just stepped away. 34 00:02:49,260 --> 00:02:54,320 Jeffrey's just minding his business, cleaning, when he hears someone creeping 35 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,320 behind him. 36 00:02:56,170 --> 00:02:57,690 It's Christopher Scarver. 37 00:02:58,730 --> 00:03:05,510 When Dahmer turns around, he's met with a weighted metal bar to the fate and is 38 00:03:05,510 --> 00:03:09,330 brutally beaten until he is near death and bleeding out on the floor. 39 00:03:10,770 --> 00:03:12,950 And Scarver's not done yet. 40 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:15,850 He then attacks Jesse Anderson. 41 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:18,970 He lays Jesse Anderson out. 42 00:03:20,110 --> 00:03:22,030 He just starts beating him in the head. 43 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:29,460 And the inmate just calmly walks back to his cell. 44 00:03:32,980 --> 00:03:35,980 Back in the gym, all hell breaks loose. 45 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:42,620 The guards immediately rush in, and they find Dahmer in a bloody heap just on 46 00:03:42,620 --> 00:03:43,620 the floor. 47 00:03:44,180 --> 00:03:47,000 And that's the Anderson with his head bludgeoned in. 48 00:03:48,420 --> 00:03:53,480 When the guards realize Scarver's missing from the work detail, they go to 49 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:54,680 cell to question him. 50 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:01,720 He responds, God made me do it. You'll see it on the 6 o 'clock news. 51 00:04:04,100 --> 00:04:08,500 News of the attack on Dahmer spreads like wildfire among the inmates. 52 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,460 The prison goes into a frenzy. 53 00:04:13,180 --> 00:04:14,540 Ambulances have to be called. 54 00:04:15,060 --> 00:04:17,040 The whole prison goes on a lockdown. 55 00:04:17,940 --> 00:04:22,280 Guards are trying to get control of the situation, but really everyone's 56 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,860 freaking out and the place is full of chaos. 57 00:04:26,340 --> 00:04:31,660 Medics rush the badly bludgeoned serial killer and Anderson to a local hospital. 58 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:33,880 But neither make it. 59 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:42,280 Convicted mass murderer Jeffrey Dahmer has been killed. Fatal injury suffered 60 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:44,060 this morning at Columbia Correctional Institute. 61 00:04:51,940 --> 00:04:55,100 For some, news of Dahmer's murder. 62 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:56,520 It was a shock. 63 00:04:56,860 --> 00:05:03,560 I got in the car, turned the radio on, and they announced that Jeffrey Dahmer 64 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,560 had been killed. 65 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,600 I couldn't hardly believe it. 66 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,060 Oh, my God. It's Jeffrey Dahmer. 67 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:20,840 Murder is murder. It wasn't Mr. Starver's responsibility to end his 68 00:05:21,420 --> 00:05:24,320 The murderer is now a celebrity. 69 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:30,240 But for others, it's no surprise. 70 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,940 There was like a sense of relief, like, okay, it's finally done. 71 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,680 Somebody finally got it taken care of. 72 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:43,780 To me, Christopher Scarborough was kind of like a hero. 73 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:50,420 For Jeffrey Dahmer, a supper until he passed, I think he deserved every bit of 74 00:05:50,420 --> 00:05:52,100 agony he went through. 75 00:05:53,460 --> 00:05:56,820 Some people just feel that vengeance is justice. 76 00:05:57,610 --> 00:05:59,950 Well, it's not hard to understand that at a human level. 77 00:06:02,750 --> 00:06:08,990 Scarver thought Dahmer was a rat because he was a bad human being and did not 78 00:06:08,990 --> 00:06:13,530 deserve to live and did not deserve to have the title murderer. 79 00:06:14,190 --> 00:06:16,050 Scarver, he said, I'm a murderer. 80 00:06:16,490 --> 00:06:17,550 Dahmer was not. 81 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:25,220 Knowing Jeffrey Dahmer the way that I did as my neighbor and then having been 82 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:31,980 incarcerated myself, I kind of thought that he would have a 83 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:37,880 difficult time while incarcerated because in prison the majority of the 84 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:43,200 population is black and the majority of his victims were black. 85 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,300 17 victims in total. 86 00:06:51,660 --> 00:06:56,660 most of whose remains are uncovered three years earlier inside Dahmer's 87 00:06:56,660 --> 00:06:58,320 innocuous Milwaukee apartment. 88 00:06:59,220 --> 00:07:02,880 One of the nation's worst mass murder cases ever. 89 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,920 Police found a grisly scene. 90 00:07:06,180 --> 00:07:10,920 A human head plus several more skulls and parts of body. 91 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:20,260 To kill multiple men, human beings. 92 00:07:20,830 --> 00:07:24,170 And retain their body parts in your refrigerator? 93 00:07:24,670 --> 00:07:26,010 Where your butter is? 94 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:27,670 Your juice? 95 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:29,010 Your jelly? 96 00:07:29,710 --> 00:07:30,870 Who does that? 97 00:07:31,310 --> 00:07:33,030 Not a normal person. 98 00:07:33,950 --> 00:07:38,170 He wasn't the first serial slayer that I prosecuted, but he was probably the 99 00:07:38,170 --> 00:07:40,370 worst human being in terms of what he did to those bodies. 100 00:07:45,030 --> 00:07:48,370 When arrested, Dahmer simply admits. 101 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,100 to all his unspeakable deeds. 102 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,280 He was cooperative. The police officers told me they thought he was, to a very 103 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,280 good extent, truthful. 104 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,900 Dahmer confessed to crimes the police didn't even know existed. 105 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,080 A whole bunch of homicides that Dahmer testified to. 106 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:08,700 There was no report of any missing person. 107 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Dahmer didn't put up any defense to anything. 108 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,440 He just said, I did this, and this is how I did it. 109 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:22,370 He was never about getting away with it in the first place. Dahmer is all about 110 00:08:22,370 --> 00:08:26,450 looking for a sense of structure and normalcy and attention seeking. 111 00:08:26,770 --> 00:08:31,510 He wants to feel love and connection, which is somewhat different from other 112 00:08:31,510 --> 00:08:36,289 serial killers. So when he was finally caught, he had nothing to gain by 113 00:08:36,289 --> 00:08:37,289 it to himself. 114 00:08:37,289 --> 00:08:42,110 In fact, he had an opportunity to get more attention than he's ever had to 115 00:08:42,110 --> 00:08:43,110 a story. 116 00:08:44,250 --> 00:08:49,130 Although police discover various parts of 11 different victims inside Dahmer's 117 00:08:49,130 --> 00:08:54,050 apartment, he confesses to murdering 17 men and boys, 118 00:08:54,290 --> 00:09:01,150 including his youngest victim, 14 -year 119 00:09:01,150 --> 00:09:02,770 -old Jamie Dockstader. 120 00:09:06,210 --> 00:09:08,390 I made lasagna that night. 121 00:09:09,210 --> 00:09:12,470 He asked me to save him an extra piece. 122 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,200 He said he met his friend Tony, we're going to go next door, and they were 123 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,540 to play video games. 124 00:09:22,460 --> 00:09:23,960 But he didn't show up. 125 00:09:25,060 --> 00:09:27,100 I couldn't find Jamie after that. 126 00:09:32,180 --> 00:09:38,340 I seen an interview with Dahmer, and they specifically asked him why he chose 127 00:09:38,340 --> 00:09:39,540 the Native American boy. 128 00:09:40,420 --> 00:09:42,520 He said he had been watching him. 129 00:09:43,560 --> 00:09:49,760 He said he was always so clean, good -looking, always well -dressed, 130 00:09:49,900 --> 00:09:51,960 always took care of himself. 131 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,980 And he said that's what attracted him, my son. 132 00:09:58,020 --> 00:10:00,260 Jamie was always adventurous. 133 00:10:00,680 --> 00:10:02,480 He had no fear. 134 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:05,340 He wasn't scared of getting hurt. 135 00:10:10,730 --> 00:10:16,050 People didn't see him as a threat or a dangerous person. Nobody was afraid of 136 00:10:16,050 --> 00:10:19,150 him. He was always able to be polite and well -spoken. 137 00:10:21,890 --> 00:10:27,070 Here's this mild -mannered guy who worked in a chocolate factory, and it 138 00:10:27,070 --> 00:10:29,810 out he was killing people, and he was a cannibal. 139 00:10:30,650 --> 00:10:36,490 What was terrifying about Jeffrey Dahmer was how normal he appeared. It's how he 140 00:10:36,490 --> 00:10:37,910 got away with it for so long. 141 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,820 It was how he was able to escalate and become this horrible serial killer. 142 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,880 You would think a mouse was going to be unattractive. Well, he was exactly the 143 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,380 opposite. He was very attractive. 144 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,180 Blind hair, blue eyes, I remember those. 145 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,240 People say, wonder how he killed 19 people. That's how. 146 00:11:01,020 --> 00:11:07,200 Frankly, I don't think there's been a serial killer as fierce as Jeffrey 147 00:11:07,690 --> 00:11:09,070 since Jeffrey Dahmer. 148 00:11:16,130 --> 00:11:16,650 Jeffrey 149 00:11:16,650 --> 00:11:23,570 Dahmer 150 00:11:23,570 --> 00:11:25,590 never wanted to be put on trial. 151 00:11:26,010 --> 00:11:28,490 He just wanted to be put to death. 152 00:11:29,210 --> 00:11:34,080 He knew he was guilty, and he told me... That he didn't wear his glasses during 153 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,340 much of the trial because he didn't want to be in the courtroom. 154 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,660 He didn't want to see what was going on. 155 00:11:42,060 --> 00:11:47,200 But Dahmer's attorney, Gerald Boyle, believes there is one plea that may 156 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:48,260 his client's life. 157 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,440 My first order of business was to see if there was an insanity defense. 158 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,360 Because if you read his confession, you would see no questions asked. 159 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:03,550 that there was something wrong with them. 160 00:12:05,850 --> 00:12:10,110 Here's a man who was killing folks. He was having sex with their dead bodies. 161 00:12:10,110 --> 00:12:13,290 one point, he was drilling holes in the heads of individuals, thinking that he 162 00:12:13,290 --> 00:12:16,770 could create zombies who would continue to live with him. 163 00:12:18,410 --> 00:12:21,750 I certainly didn't think that he was a man of sound mind who was just 164 00:12:21,750 --> 00:12:22,750 misbehaving. 165 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:28,450 Dahmer could fully explain what he did, and he can fully explain that his 166 00:12:28,450 --> 00:12:29,450 actions were wrong. 167 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:37,820 What he did was horrible. It was unimaginable. It was the worst kind of 168 00:12:37,820 --> 00:12:40,520 that could ever happen. Was it insane? 169 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,060 To you and me, yes. 170 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:46,400 To the law, maybe not. 171 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:55,280 It was a hard trial to sit through. Hearing from people who had been 172 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,360 by Jeffrey Dahmer was horrible. 173 00:12:58,110 --> 00:13:00,930 The details were unbearable. 174 00:13:01,570 --> 00:13:08,550 And the sorrow and anger of the victims' families was heartbreaking. 175 00:13:08,790 --> 00:13:15,070 How could you blame them for being angry and for being devastated by what this 176 00:13:15,070 --> 00:13:16,070 monster did? 177 00:13:17,690 --> 00:13:20,110 But a jury finds Dahmer sane. 178 00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:27,830 And after a grueling two -week trial, convicts him on 15 counts of first 179 00:13:27,830 --> 00:13:28,830 murder. 180 00:13:31,430 --> 00:13:33,330 Dahmer barely flinches. 181 00:13:35,830 --> 00:13:40,930 He was completely calm, quiet, collected, no evidence of stress. 182 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:44,330 Dahmer was the easiest client I ever represented. 183 00:13:44,710 --> 00:13:46,370 He never asked for anything. 184 00:13:46,650 --> 00:13:48,010 He never demanded anything. 185 00:13:48,510 --> 00:13:52,450 He never suggested that we could do a better job. Never. 186 00:13:52,670 --> 00:13:53,670 One time. 187 00:13:55,709 --> 00:14:00,550 While Dahmer's trial is emotionally exhausting, it's nothing compared to the 188 00:14:00,550 --> 00:14:05,290 final impact statement a victim's relative gives before his sentencing. 189 00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:15,450 He didn't react at all. 190 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:20,010 I'll never forget that. The bailiffs jumped in and stopped the lady before 191 00:14:20,010 --> 00:14:22,430 got to him, but you can understand she was overwhelmed. 192 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,240 Then it's Dahmer's turn to deliver a statement to the victim's families. 193 00:14:33,020 --> 00:14:37,560 I know my time in prison will be terrible, but I deserve whatever I get 194 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,240 of what I have done. I ask for no consideration. 195 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,820 He received the maximum sentence. 196 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,360 The 15 consecutive terms of life imprisonment, which would be basically 197 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:50,360 950 years. 198 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:59,910 While Dahmer awaits transfer to the prison where he'll spend the rest of his 199 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:06,170 life, across town, another accused killer bides his time behind bars as 200 00:15:07,090 --> 00:15:13,710 His name is Christopher Scarver, and he has no idea that one day, fate will put 201 00:15:13,710 --> 00:15:17,330 him directly in the path of the monster on his screen. 202 00:15:26,570 --> 00:15:31,250 In the winter of 1992, Dahmer settles into the Columbia Correctional 203 00:15:31,250 --> 00:15:36,690 Institution, a maximum security prison in Portage, Wisconsin, to live out the 204 00:15:36,690 --> 00:15:37,770 remainder of his life. 205 00:15:38,290 --> 00:15:44,190 The kinds of people that are kept in CPI are severe cases. It's a maximum 206 00:15:44,190 --> 00:15:46,850 security prison for a reason. 207 00:15:48,970 --> 00:15:52,570 The local townsfolk aren't thrilled with their new resident. 208 00:15:53,510 --> 00:15:54,510 It did. 209 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:59,720 Kind of ruffle some feathers that people in Portage didn't want their town to be 210 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:06,100 known for the place that housed this horrific serial killer. 211 00:16:06,380 --> 00:16:11,820 They would rather it be known for other things that go on there, like all the 212 00:16:11,820 --> 00:16:15,100 festivals and their historic downtown. 213 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,500 Prison officials are aware of the dangers Dahmer faces and place them in 214 00:16:22,500 --> 00:16:23,500 solitary confinement. 215 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:31,340 Columbia Correctional Institution houses a few hundred people there, probably 216 00:16:31,340 --> 00:16:36,340 overcrowded. So even though the vast majority of inmates probably weren't 217 00:16:36,340 --> 00:16:41,860 looking to have anything to do with Jeffrey Dahmer, there's a few crazy ones 218 00:16:41,860 --> 00:16:45,660 there who feel like they need to carry out vengeance. 219 00:16:47,140 --> 00:16:51,220 When somebody like Jeffrey Dahmer goes to prison, they often have a target on 220 00:16:51,220 --> 00:16:52,600 their back because of their celebrity. 221 00:16:53,260 --> 00:16:56,920 but also because their crimes are usually more heinous than your average 222 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:57,920 prisoner in jail. 223 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,900 So the prisoner population now has somebody to vilify. 224 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:04,560 Now they're not the villains. They got a new villain. 225 00:17:06,220 --> 00:17:09,760 They knew that somebody was going to kill him. So it was really to protect 226 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,619 because it was like if they would have put him in general population, as soon 227 00:17:13,619 --> 00:17:15,500 he would have stepped on the floor, it just would have been over. 228 00:17:18,579 --> 00:17:21,160 Dahmer's isolation is a difficult tradeoff. 229 00:17:22,060 --> 00:17:25,920 You don't see other people. You don't get to talk to other people. It's boring 230 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:27,780 and gets very lonely. 231 00:17:28,900 --> 00:17:32,120 We think we don't need people, but stay in there a while. 232 00:17:33,020 --> 00:17:34,900 Humans are social creatures. 233 00:17:35,180 --> 00:17:39,380 The human brain relies pinging off of other people in order to understand who 234 00:17:39,380 --> 00:17:44,420 are. And when we lose everybody around us, we have nothing in the external 235 00:17:44,420 --> 00:17:46,360 to stimulate us. So we go internal. 236 00:17:47,070 --> 00:17:51,730 To take us away from other people is to slowly drive us insane. 237 00:17:55,310 --> 00:18:02,010 Dahmer endures his time in isolation, but after a long, lonely year, reaches 238 00:18:02,010 --> 00:18:03,330 his limit being alone. 239 00:18:06,050 --> 00:18:10,370 I think that started to eat at him because one thing about Jeffrey Dahmer 240 00:18:10,370 --> 00:18:15,030 needs attention, and I think that started to make him a little stir -crazy 241 00:18:15,030 --> 00:18:16,030 he got there, for sure. 242 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,240 Jeffrey petitioned to actually be released to general population. 243 00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:27,840 Dahmer figures he's going to take his chances with the population rather than 244 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,720 continue to be in solitary confinement. 245 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,920 Just put me in gen pop and whatever happens, happens. 246 00:18:33,260 --> 00:18:36,200 You know, because you're technically dead right now. You're in solitary. 247 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,420 you're breathing and stuff, but I mean, it's over. 248 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:45,100 In the summer of 1992, prison officials grant Jeffrey Dahmer's request to live 249 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:46,280 among his fellow inmate. 250 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,640 Where Jeffrey Dahmer ends up was a specific ward for the mentally unstable, 251 00:18:53,060 --> 00:18:54,820 almost a prison within a prison. 252 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,880 And when he's not in his cell, he's being taken from place to place in 253 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:00,880 with guards. 254 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,420 He is not left alone. 255 00:19:04,380 --> 00:19:09,100 Many wonder if Dahmer will face prison justice from his fellow inmates. 256 00:19:10,220 --> 00:19:14,460 We like to think we're in control, but the reality is... 257 00:19:14,860 --> 00:19:17,240 There's always more inmates than staff. 258 00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:18,740 Always. 259 00:19:19,540 --> 00:19:23,660 The last thing you want to be is a person with a target on their back in a 260 00:19:23,660 --> 00:19:24,660 prison. 261 00:19:25,540 --> 00:19:32,500 To be a person who the prisoners universally want to harm is not a good 262 00:19:32,500 --> 00:19:33,500 place to be. 263 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,880 He was in real shark -infested waters. 264 00:19:37,260 --> 00:19:42,000 It's in Gen Pop that convicted murderer Christopher Scarborough sees the 265 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,060 infamous serial killer in person. 266 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:45,520 For the first time. 267 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:54,940 I think Christopher Scarver was, like everyone else in the prison, angry and 268 00:19:54,940 --> 00:19:59,320 disgusted at the actions of Jeffrey Dahmer, but also just kind of wanted to 269 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,340 avoid him because he's a weird guy. 270 00:20:03,820 --> 00:20:08,780 Neither man knows it yet, but they're on a collision course for destiny. 271 00:20:13,410 --> 00:20:17,930 Fellow inmates Jeffrey Dahmer and Christopher Scarver have more in common 272 00:20:17,930 --> 00:20:18,930 they realize. 273 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:23,270 Christopher Scarver, much like Jeffrey Dahmer, grew up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 274 00:20:23,710 --> 00:20:28,070 At a young age, he started to do bad in school because of his alcohol use, and 275 00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:29,790 that caused him to fail out. 276 00:20:30,530 --> 00:20:34,910 So he drops out of school, and his mom kicked him out of the house because of 277 00:20:34,910 --> 00:20:38,650 all the alcohol and drug use that he was doing. And his mom had five kids, 278 00:20:38,750 --> 00:20:39,529 single mother. 279 00:20:39,530 --> 00:20:41,990 She was like, well, I can't have that around my other four kids. 280 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,720 A couple years later, Scarver manages to get his life back on track, enrolling 281 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,540 in the Wisconsin Conservation Corps job program. 282 00:20:52,100 --> 00:20:56,160 The job corps is basically like a place where you rebuild your life, you learn 283 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:00,800 skills, and if you do a really good job, then they'll give you a job at the end 284 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,980 of it. He was taking the carpentry program. 285 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:08,780 Edward Patt, one of the instructors at the corps, takes Scarver under his wing. 286 00:21:09,899 --> 00:21:13,960 Edward Patz really took a liking to him. He promised him. He said, when you get 287 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,820 out of here, I'm definitely going to have a job for you. I'm going to make 288 00:21:16,820 --> 00:21:17,820 I take care of you. 289 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,580 Scarver moved in with his girlfriend. 290 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,380 He finds out that she's pregnant. 291 00:21:22,740 --> 00:21:27,140 Life seems to be going the way that it should be going for Christopher Scarver. 292 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,000 You know, he has a lot of things to look forward to. 293 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:35,420 Then, without warning, Scarver has the rug pulled out from under him. 294 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:38,520 Edward Patz is fired. 295 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:44,240 And the site manager, John Thayen, gives the promised job to someone else. 296 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,520 When that happened, that really threw Christopher off on a deep end. You know, 297 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,700 he got more into marijuana, drugs, alcohol. 298 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,320 And then around this time as well is when he was, you know, having voices in 299 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,980 head. He was saying the voices were telling him he's the chosen one. 300 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,900 Now, all this is happening, and at the same time, his girlfriend was pregnant 301 00:22:04,900 --> 00:22:05,900 well. 302 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,260 To do all the right thing. 303 00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:15,450 and get affirmation for them and then have that affirmation taken away is 304 00:22:15,450 --> 00:22:16,450 really devastating. 305 00:22:18,010 --> 00:22:24,650 It's a terrible feeling and terrifying as well, to be 19, having a family to 306 00:22:24,650 --> 00:22:25,650 support. 307 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,260 And it seems like he just didn't care anymore at all. He went into this, like, 308 00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:37,860 little black hole of depression. 309 00:22:38,740 --> 00:22:43,160 With his life spiraling out of control, Scarver thirsts for revenge. 310 00:22:44,620 --> 00:22:51,160 On June 1, 1990, he goes to the Conservation Corps training site and 311 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:56,300 confronts John Fahan and another employee, Steve Lohman. 312 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,560 Christopher comes in with a gun, and he demands money. 313 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:07,140 So John pulls $15 out of his wallet, and he says, you know, this is all I have. 314 00:23:07,620 --> 00:23:09,940 And Christopher turns around and shoots Steven. 315 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:18,340 After he shoots him, he says, okay, now you know that I'm not playing. 316 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,680 John says, I really don't have any money, so he writes him a check for $3 317 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,440 But Scarver still isn't satisfied. 318 00:23:29,239 --> 00:23:33,160 He shoots Steve like about three more times. He starts shooting into his dead 319 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,160 body. 320 00:23:36,660 --> 00:23:39,980 John, who is terrified, runs away as fast as he can. 321 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,000 While he's running away, though, Chris is still shooting at John, but 322 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000 fortunately misses. 323 00:23:50,340 --> 00:23:52,320 And after that, Chris bleeds to death. 324 00:23:57,550 --> 00:24:00,990 Police immediately put out an APB for Scarver. 325 00:24:02,370 --> 00:24:04,670 He's surprisingly easy to locate. 326 00:24:05,410 --> 00:24:09,610 Within a matter of hours, Chris was arrested at his girlfriend's house with 327 00:24:09,610 --> 00:24:12,450 the gun and the $3 ,000 check still in his possession. 328 00:24:13,830 --> 00:24:18,350 They charged Scarver with the murder of Steve Lohman and attempted murder of 329 00:24:18,350 --> 00:24:19,350 John Thayen. 330 00:24:21,490 --> 00:24:25,250 He pleads not guilty by reason of mental disease. 331 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,180 Eventually it was found out that he had schizophrenia. You would hear voices 332 00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:32,120 that would say he's the chosen one. 333 00:24:34,660 --> 00:24:38,940 Psychiatrists at his trial testified that although there are many people that 334 00:24:38,940 --> 00:24:42,760 have schizophrenia and they're not violent, she felt that if Chris went 335 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,980 untreated, he would definitely become extremely dangerous to himself and 336 00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:54,840 He had what's called Masonic delusions, delusions of grandeur, religious -type 337 00:24:54,840 --> 00:25:00,980 delusions, thinking that he was some embodiment of God, some higher power. In 338 00:25:00,980 --> 00:25:04,480 that psychotic state where you're responding to voices and things telling 339 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,600 what to do, it becomes very easy to justify any actions that you take. 340 00:25:10,260 --> 00:25:15,880 Like Jeffrey Dahmer, a jury also finds Scarver sane and therefore guilty of 341 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,880 murder. 342 00:25:17,660 --> 00:25:20,040 They sentence him to life without parole. 343 00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:24,750 and eventually send him to the Columbia Correctional Institution, where he comes 344 00:25:24,750 --> 00:25:27,010 face -to -face with Jeffrey Dahmer. 345 00:25:27,450 --> 00:25:29,610 He studies him, but he keeps a distance. 346 00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:32,210 He wants nothing to do at all with Dahmer. 347 00:25:32,450 --> 00:25:34,490 But that will change. 348 00:25:38,610 --> 00:25:44,550 Jeffrey Dahmer isn't making many friends inside prison, but he does develop a 349 00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:46,310 devoted cadre of pen pals. 350 00:25:47,350 --> 00:25:49,030 Jeffrey Dahmer's crimes had... 351 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:55,300 put him into the ranks with Jack the Ripper and Ted Bundy to where it was so 352 00:25:55,300 --> 00:26:00,620 shocking that people gravitated towards it instead of running away from it. So 353 00:26:00,620 --> 00:26:05,620 he's now in prison receiving fan mail with money inside of it for commissary, 354 00:26:05,780 --> 00:26:09,260 love letters, devotees singing his praises. 355 00:26:10,260 --> 00:26:15,880 He was getting mail from not only men, but women as well that wanted to pursue 356 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:16,880 relationship with him. 357 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:18,800 even though they knew that he was a homosexual. 358 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,860 Habristophilia, sometimes called Bonnie and Clyde syndrome, is the attraction to 359 00:26:25,860 --> 00:26:26,860 criminal behavior. 360 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,840 It gives the person who usually has a more beta personality, somebody who is 361 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,820 secure in themselves, winds up being attracted to that sense of danger, that 362 00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:40,980 sense of take charge that serial killers often provide. 363 00:26:41,340 --> 00:26:44,540 And that's why Dahmer winds up getting all these letters in prison. 364 00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:47,780 People who are so fascinated with him, they just can't leave him alone. 365 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:52,640 They start to empathize with Jeffrey Dahmer to correspond with him from 366 00:26:53,060 --> 00:26:58,860 That gives you enough room, enough space to fill in your own fantasies, your own 367 00:26:58,860 --> 00:27:00,980 desires, and what you want the relationship to be. 368 00:27:01,620 --> 00:27:05,540 But Dahmer has other, more celestial interests. 369 00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:11,240 Jeffrey gets out of solitary confinement, and he seems like a new man 370 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,240 he's found religion. 371 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:20,240 As Dahmer promised in his courtroom statement, I promise I will pray each 372 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,420 ask for their forgiveness when the hurt goes away, if ever. 373 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,880 He turns toward his faith behind bars. 374 00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:34,020 Religion became a big part of his day -to -day life. He would go to the chapel 375 00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:36,400 and pray. He starts to read the Bible. 376 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:42,820 The part of Jeffrey Dahmer that turns to religion is the same part of him that 377 00:27:42,820 --> 00:27:47,640 feels remorse for what he's done. The part of him that is human and has a 378 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,640 of morality. 379 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,620 And so religion offers an escape from that. It offers him a second chance, a 380 00:27:53,620 --> 00:27:55,520 to be forgiven and wipe the slate clean. 381 00:27:57,100 --> 00:28:00,400 It's not the first time Dahmer's turned to Christianity. 382 00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:08,480 In 1981, a few years after committing his first murder, Dahmer moves in with 383 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,380 grandmother in Milwaukee and tries to reform his evil ways. 384 00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:16,680 His grandmother was a spiritual person, and she seemed to have a beneficent 385 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,680 influence on Dahmer. 386 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:21,340 Dahmer started reading the Bible, started thinking about these things, and 387 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:23,320 assessing what he had done. 388 00:28:25,100 --> 00:28:30,680 When Jeffrey was 13 years old, he had engaged in a romantic physical 389 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:36,320 relationship with a boy in his neighborhood. And this was the first 390 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,300 to Jeffrey that he had, that he was in fact gay. 391 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,740 But it was something that Jeffrey felt like he had to hide. 392 00:28:45,140 --> 00:28:49,540 Religion was like his last effort on trying to fix what he thought was 393 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,140 which was being gay. And he really dove into that and spent a lot of time 394 00:28:54,140 --> 00:28:58,260 studying religion, going to church. And everyone around Jeffrey thought that 395 00:28:58,260 --> 00:29:00,240 this was going to be a really good thing for him. 396 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:07,840 It appears to work until Dahmer has an encounter at the local library. 397 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,560 The young man dropped a note in his lap saying, let's meet in the bathroom and 398 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:14,560 have a sexual encounter. 399 00:29:14,740 --> 00:29:18,720 Dahmer didn't do that, but he started rethinking the spiritual aspects of his 400 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,680 life and then made a conscious decision to step away from what had been the good 401 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:23,680 influence of his grandmother. 402 00:29:26,620 --> 00:29:32,860 Desperate to act out on his dark desires, Dahmer finds a new romantic 403 00:29:32,860 --> 00:29:35,700 mannequin he steals from a local department store. 404 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:42,990 Dahmer has this mannequin as a kind of stopgap measure, somebody he can impose 405 00:29:42,990 --> 00:29:44,810 his will on that won't fight back. 406 00:29:45,930 --> 00:29:50,850 Dahmer keeps his new love a secret, storing the mannequin in his closet 407 00:29:50,850 --> 00:29:51,829 he's away. 408 00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:56,510 But it's only a matter of time before his forbidden partner is exposed. 409 00:29:58,730 --> 00:30:03,290 One day, his grandmother went into his room, opened his closet, and was shocked 410 00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:09,190 and disturbed at seeing this mannequin. So she completely freaked out and forced 411 00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:10,190 him to get rid of it. 412 00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:17,430 Now, Dahmer must turn to other ways to get his kicks. 413 00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:19,670 Outside the home. 414 00:30:21,010 --> 00:30:27,330 Bathhouses were a place that you could go and anticipate you would meet a 415 00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:32,760 partner. But the men there found Jeffrey Dahmer to be incredibly creepy. 416 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,720 He would drug them. They'd say, here, have a drink of my coffee, whatever 417 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,259 be using. 418 00:30:39,260 --> 00:30:42,740 The guy would take the drink and pass out, and then Dahmer would sexually 419 00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:44,140 exploit him according to his desires. 420 00:30:45,220 --> 00:30:50,160 The underlying driving force with Dahmer was the fantasy of sex with an 421 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,160 unconscious person. 422 00:30:52,140 --> 00:30:56,600 There becomes a point of no return. He's like a shark that's had a taste of 423 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,760 blood. There really is no going back for Dahmer. 424 00:30:59,740 --> 00:31:01,520 The rest is history. 425 00:31:02,780 --> 00:31:04,800 Police found a grisly scene. 426 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,380 A human head, plus several more skulls and parts of body. 427 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,960 Now in prison, Dahmer appears to fully embrace his newfound faith. 428 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,340 He even requests to be baptized. 429 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,860 We got a phone call in 1994 saying an inmate wanted to be baptized. Would I 430 00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:32,940 please baptize him? 431 00:31:33,180 --> 00:31:38,340 I said, okay, I've never done a prison baptism, but tell me what his name is 432 00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:40,800 we'll do this. He said, well, you might want to sit down for this. 433 00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:43,600 Oh, why is that? Because his name is Jeffrey Dahmer. 434 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:51,520 Pastor Ratcliffe heads behind the razor wire to meet with the man he only knows 435 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,520 as legend. 436 00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:57,210 I first heard about Jeff on the television, of course. I remember 437 00:31:57,210 --> 00:32:00,650 would a person do that? I didn't quite know what to expect because I'd never 438 00:32:00,650 --> 00:32:01,770 been to a prison before. 439 00:32:02,030 --> 00:32:06,910 And I anticipated, well, I'll probably be in a room with a glass wall between 440 00:32:06,910 --> 00:32:08,390 while I'm talking to him on a telephone. 441 00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:15,130 So I was quite surprised when I was escorted to a simple room, 10 by 12 feet 442 00:32:15,130 --> 00:32:17,690 so, with a table and chairs, and to sit down. 443 00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:21,110 Finally, someone comes to the door. 444 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,280 It's Jeffrey Dahmer. 445 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,740 I recognize it because I've seen him on TV. 446 00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:33,840 So there I am in a room all by myself with nothing but a table between the two 447 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,840 of us. 448 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,780 And I'm thinking, wow, I'm in a room with a man who's killed a bunch of other 449 00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:44,560 people. You have a moment of panic there. 450 00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:48,700 But because I'm a preacher, why do you want to be baptized? 451 00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:53,740 And so he begins to quote scriptures from me, which is a surprise. 452 00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,080 That needs to have his sins washed away. 453 00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:58,820 It changed my view of him. 454 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,920 He went from being a monster to becoming a real person. 455 00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:10,000 Prison officials approved Dahmer's baptism for May 10, 1994. 456 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,660 On the day that Jeff was baptized, there was a total solar eclipse, so it got 457 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:16,880 dark on that day. 458 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,080 There was also the day that John Wayne Gacy was put to death, which is, I 459 00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:23,100 ironic. 460 00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:27,360 Jeffrey Dahmer died to his sins, and John Wayne Gacy died for his crimes. 461 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:34,420 The chaplain and two guards escort Jeff and myself from the chaplain's office 462 00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:39,780 through various halls, and then we pass other inmates, and they said, Hey, J 463 00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:40,960 .D., how's it going? 464 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,180 And he said, Hey, I'm going to be baptized today. And they thought, Well, 465 00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:45,180 great. 466 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,640 The guards lead the pastor and serial killer to the medical area, which has 467 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,640 numerous tongues. 468 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,040 And Jeff takes off his clothes and puts on this white little outfit that the 469 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,240 chaplain had made for him and then climbs into the tub. 470 00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:08,040 So then I simply put my hand on his head and say, okay, I baptize you in the 471 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,320 name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for the good of your sins. 472 00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:13,520 Then push his head under the water. 473 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,580 And then he comes back up and says, welcome to the family of God. 474 00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:24,020 But not everyone's pleased with Dahmer's embrace of Christianity. 475 00:34:25,420 --> 00:34:31,520 On the day that Jeff was baptized, some anonymous person called on my phone and 476 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,120 described me as a piece of human anatomy. 477 00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:39,080 He used a more crude word to describe it. Well, he didn't understand why I did 478 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,080 what I did. 479 00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,980 When I heard that Dahmer had... 480 00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:44,909 Apparently he found religion. 481 00:34:46,449 --> 00:34:51,889 I thought it wasn't real with him. He didn't take it to his heart. I didn't 482 00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:52,889 that he ever would. 483 00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:58,270 I don't feel that he should have been baptized because he didn't believe. 484 00:34:59,630 --> 00:35:04,010 I think it infuriated a lot of people, but also left a lot of people conflicted 485 00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:08,210 because if you are a devout religious person and this person is now saying, 486 00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:10,690 accepted this religion and I've repented for my sins. 487 00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:14,570 then you've got to forgive Jeffrey Dahmer. And it's hard to forgive a guy 488 00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:19,230 you've seen a bag of hearts and arms and shoulders and heads come out of their 489 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,210 apartment. So I think it really made people question their religion in a way. 490 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,460 It's easy to think of him as all evil or all good. 491 00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:28,700 He was a complicated person, and so he did awful things. 492 00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:32,780 But I think it's also conceivable that he could have been genuinely remorseful 493 00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:36,500 and struggling and conflicted, and that we shouldn't just dismiss the complexity 494 00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:40,280 of that as though he's just pretending to look good. I think it's much more 495 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,280 complicated than that. 496 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,460 I never got the sense that he was being anything other than genuine with me. 497 00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:50,420 Now, this is very serious stuff as far as I could tell with him. 498 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,400 Following the baptism, Dahmer continues on his new spiritual path, reading the 499 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,500 Bible and meeting once a week with Pastor Radcliffe. 500 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:05,920 So the chaplain arranges for what's called a permanent pastoral pass. 501 00:36:06,810 --> 00:36:10,790 Every Wednesday from that point on, I could come to Jeff and meet with him for 502 00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:14,830 an hour and talk about anything that we want to talk about. But my encouragement 503 00:36:14,830 --> 00:36:17,910 to him was don't put yourself off into your cell by yourself alone. 504 00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:21,350 Try to be around other Christians as much as you possibly can. 505 00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:28,250 The Milwaukee cannibal takes the advice to heart and begins attending Sunday 506 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:30,150 services in the prison chapel. 507 00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:35,490 It's there he'll come face to face with a new threat. 508 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,220 A reborn Jeffrey Dahmer is living his new life behind bars, holding weekly 509 00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:49,460 study with his pastor. 510 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:55,500 But some of his fellow inmates, like Christopher Scarver, believe it's all an 511 00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:56,500 act. 512 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,160 Christopher Scarver mentioned that Jeffrey Dahmer had these unremorseful 513 00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:05,820 but he didn't buy the religious act that Jeffrey Dahmer was putting on, and it 514 00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:08,000 made him want to commit violence against him. 515 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,100 Dahmer was very mischievous, for lack of a better term. 516 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,740 I've heard stories of him taking his lunches and, you know, whittling them 517 00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:20,120 body parts and then pouring ketchup on them and kind of leaving them there on 518 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,320 the table for people to see. 519 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,800 He would walk up to guards and say, I do bite. 520 00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:30,000 A lot of people say, oh, that's disgusting. 521 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,820 And I said, no, that's Jeff Dahmer. That's his sense of humor. 522 00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:38,490 I saw that in junior high and high school, and that was still a sense of 523 00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:39,490 in prison, too. 524 00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:44,950 The word cannibal, it's a persona that he adopted, that he pursued and tried to 525 00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:46,950 get people to think in that way of him. 526 00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:53,590 I think in general, Jeffrey Dahmer was very much a bear off a leash to a lot of 527 00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:56,550 people. Unassuming guy, scrawny. 528 00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:58,190 gigantic glasses. 529 00:37:58,370 --> 00:38:03,430 But once you know what he's done, you are apprehensive. And now you have a 530 00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:08,430 person who is playing the role of Hannibal Lecter and making jokes and 531 00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:10,270 at you and being cheeky. 532 00:38:11,470 --> 00:38:16,190 He even went as far as to put up a sign in his cell that said Cannibals 533 00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:17,190 Anonymous Meeting. 534 00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:22,870 So he was definitely leaning into the ideals that everyone already had of him, 535 00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:27,410 which is this man is playing the game, and he probably still has these same 536 00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:30,650 feelings that he had when he was out doing these killings. 537 00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:39,070 It's with his eighth victim, Ernest Miller, in September 1990. 538 00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:44,420 that Dahmer crossed the Rubicon from serial killer to cannibal. 539 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,740 After he killed Miller and dismembered him, he cooked him and he ate him. 540 00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,400 Like, what does that even taste like? 541 00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,760 Dahmer realizes if you eat them, they'll always be with you. And that provides a 542 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,600 satisfaction and even sometimes a sexual component to the psychopath that'll 543 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,600 never leave you. 544 00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:12,830 He is keeping their bodies in his apartment. He is preserving them and 545 00:39:12,830 --> 00:39:16,790 stacking up. You can only imagine the smell that was coming from Jeffrey's 546 00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:17,790 apartment. 547 00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:23,770 The level of depravity was way beyond. 548 00:39:28,090 --> 00:39:32,970 Some believe Dahmer's actions in prison aren't an attempt to make light of his 549 00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:36,090 crimes, but to get the attention that he craves. 550 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,340 When you look at Jeffrey Dahmer when he was young, when he was in high school, 551 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,720 this profoundly socially awkward person that only knew how to get attention by 552 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:50,460 making weird faces and jumping around and acting in this bizarre way. Any 553 00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:53,500 attention for a guy like Dahmer, any attention is good attention. 554 00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:58,560 And so Dahmer's going to do whatever it takes to get any kind of attention, even 555 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,460 if it's ridicule, even if he's being laughed at, as long as he's not ignored. 556 00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:08,280 One of the things I clearly remember about Jeff Dahmer is that, you know, he 557 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000 would be walking down the hall and you'd be standing there talking to somebody 558 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,660 by your locker, just doing nothing, and he'd just stoop over and put his head on 559 00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:17,680 your chest and say, I want to listen to your heart. 560 00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:23,540 I think he used the cannibal persona as a defense mechanism because it 561 00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:24,560 accomplished two things. 562 00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:26,740 One thing, it attracted attention. 563 00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:28,860 Come look at me. Look, I'm doing something weird. 564 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,740 At the same time, it also was a way of saying to people, Don't get too close to 565 00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:35,940 me because I don't trust you. Because he didn't really have friends. 566 00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,300 And while he doesn't know it, Dahmer is making enemies. 567 00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:47,360 One inmate in particular is beginning to harbor deep animosity toward him. 568 00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:50,940 37 -year -old Osvaldo DeRuthi. 569 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,940 Osvaldo DeRuthi was a Cuban native. He was serving 30 years in prison for drugs 570 00:40:57,940 --> 00:40:58,940 and weapons possession. 571 00:40:59,220 --> 00:41:01,180 And he heard about the Jeffrey Dahmer case. 572 00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:07,400 And he had this self -righteous feeling that this is an opportunity for me to 573 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,400 wipe the slate clean. 574 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,340 I wanted to come to the United States because, you know, this is delaying our 575 00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:32,580 opportunity, man. You know, everybody want to come to the United States. 576 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:38,400 But Daruti, who had been serving a 10 -year sentence for robbery in a Cuban 577 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,180 prison, has no skills. 578 00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:43,560 I was young, man. I was 21. 579 00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:47,720 I had nobody in the United States. To make my way up, you know, I had to keep 580 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:51,520 doing what I was doing in Cuba, you know, stealing and selling drugs and 581 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,480 hustling my way around, you know, to survive. 582 00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:59,770 In 1991, Daruti gets in over his head. 583 00:42:00,490 --> 00:42:05,870 I was selling drugs to undercover, and I didn't know I was an undercover. 584 00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:10,210 I got caught with two kilos of cocaine, you know. 585 00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:14,710 I was big time, you know, seller, and I had a gun also. 586 00:42:15,370 --> 00:42:17,330 I went to prison for a long time. 587 00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:20,830 I thought I would never get out. I think I was 31 years. 588 00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:25,410 Daruti is sent to Wappen Correctional Institution. 589 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,840 in Wappen, Wisconsin. 590 00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:37,240 That's where he first learns of Jeffrey Dahmer, watching his trial unfold on TV. 591 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:45,020 I feel offended for what he did to humankind, you know, to humanity. 592 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,800 You know, that is crazy, man. That pissed me off, you know. 593 00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:54,760 The more he hears about Dahmer, the more Duruti's anger builds. 594 00:42:57,230 --> 00:43:01,410 When Dahmer is sent to prison, DiRuti decides he wants vengeance. 595 00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:04,430 I said, well, you know, he might kill again. 596 00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:07,250 He might do it again inside the joint also. 597 00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:12,590 I had 31 years. I had no more freedom, you know. So I said, why not? We're 598 00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:13,610 trying to stop this man. 599 00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:20,850 But when Dahmer's sent to the Columbia Correctional Institution, one of 600 00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:23,630 Wisconsin's few prisons with a mental health unit, 601 00:43:24,350 --> 00:43:27,090 Daruti knows their paths will never cross. 602 00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:30,610 That's when he devises a plan. 603 00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:38,290 Daruti decides to fake mental illness so he can be transferred to Dahmer's 604 00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:39,290 prison. 605 00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:47,470 I was always talking crazy, talking loud and causing people up. When I go to the 606 00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:52,590 doctor, I try to pretend like I was paranoid, pretending to hate demons, you 607 00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:58,080 know. All over me, you know, it takes dedication to do that, man, you know. I 608 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,480 was serious about what I wanted to do. 609 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:07,720 In late June 1994, after nearly two years of acting crazy, prison officials 610 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,440 finally send Daruti to the state's mental health institution. 611 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,400 It's in the mess hall where Daruti gets his first look at his prey in person. 612 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,260 But Dahmer isn't the boogeyman he had envisioned. 613 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,600 This is a handsome man. Why he got to kill? Why he got to eat it? Why he got 614 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,600 do that? 615 00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:40,980 He knows getting close enough to attack Dahmer isn't going to be easy. 616 00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:46,860 The only way inmates can get together is at chapel on Sundays. 617 00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:50,320 So I decided to go to church. 618 00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:53,630 I understand, see what I can do, I'll tell it. 619 00:44:54,570 --> 00:44:57,310 But Daruti's not bringing his Bible. 620 00:44:58,930 --> 00:45:04,630 Instead, he creates a makeshift knife, a shiv, by attaching a razor blade to his 621 00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:05,630 toothbrush. 622 00:45:08,430 --> 00:45:14,810 On Sunday, July 3rd, 1994, just one week after Daruti arrives at the prison, 623 00:45:15,010 --> 00:45:16,730 he prepares to strike. 624 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:26,060 When I got to the chapel, I noticed there was a lot of inmates, and I sat 625 00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:28,040 three rows from him, behind him. 626 00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:36,500 I took my strength out of my socks, and I keep it 627 00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:38,860 in my hand, carry it in my hand, you know. 628 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,140 That was when I grabbed him. 629 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,640 I grabbed him with my left hand and put it in his headlock. 630 00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:49,720 That's how, you know. 631 00:45:50,170 --> 00:45:51,170 Slash him. 632 00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:57,350 But in a flood of adrenaline, Daruti presses too hard on his shiv, and the 633 00:45:57,350 --> 00:45:58,350 blade snaps off. 634 00:46:00,890 --> 00:46:04,790 He broke, leaving only the mark on his neck. 635 00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:11,470 And when it happened, I got so, so fucking mad, man. 636 00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:14,730 I started hitting, hitting in the face. 637 00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:18,410 Before the guy came, you know. 638 00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:20,070 Poking him awake. 639 00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:31,290 Much to Daruti's disappointment, the wound to Dahmer's neck is superficial. 640 00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:39,610 Osvaldo took premeditated to a whole new level. I mean, think about having to 641 00:46:39,610 --> 00:46:40,610 fake an illness. 642 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,400 not just an illness, a mental illness, for over two years just to get to this 643 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,640 one person. I mean, there was a lot of hard work that went into that. So I can 644 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,040 imagine the amount of disappointment that he felt to know that he failed. 645 00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:59,580 I was pissed, man. I was pissed because I wasn't expecting that to happen. 646 00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,080 How did that happen? 647 00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,620 He's supposed to be dead. 648 00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:09,980 For his attempted murder of Dahmer, authorities tack on an additional five 649 00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:16,520 years. to Durruti's existing 31 -year sentence and sent him back to Wappen 650 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,200 Correctional Institution to serve his time. 651 00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:29,500 While Durruti's assassination attempt fails, it does inspire other inmates who 652 00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:31,940 share his hatred for Jeffrey Dahmer. 653 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,960 In prison, news travels fast. So the fact that there was a murder attempt on 654 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,000 Jeffrey, it got around. 655 00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:47,920 I had heard that someone had tried to get at him, but that they weren't 656 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,720 successful. And I said, give it time. 657 00:47:51,860 --> 00:47:57,160 Sooner or later, someone is going to put an end to this monstrous deviant. 658 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,380 It's just inevitable. 659 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,100 She has no idea how right she is. 660 00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:10,700 In the shadows and in the background is Christopher Scarver observing every move 661 00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:17,360 and fuming at the evil act that Dahmer did, and it made him truly infuriated. 662 00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:23,520 And he started to brew and fantasize about what he would do if he ever was 663 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:29,080 with the ability to get revenge for the people who Jeffrey Dahmer killed. 664 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,740 Once Osvaldo acted first, he got permission to do what he wanted to do. 665 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,720 But Dahmer won't be Scarborough's only intended victim. 666 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,840 At the time of Jeffrey Dahmer's arrest in 1992, the nation's attention is 667 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,500 focused on the grisly details of his murders. 668 00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,620 But across town in northwest Milwaukee, there's another drama unfolding. 669 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,540 one that will soon introduce another new character into Dahmer's orbit. 670 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,700 On April 21st, 1992, Jesse Anderson and his wife Barbara 671 00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:14,760 are enjoying a pleasant evening out on the town with a movie and dinner. 672 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,140 Jesse Anderson, he was a salesperson for like an oil company. It paid really 673 00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:22,960 good money because he was a good salesman. 674 00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:27,420 And Barbara ended up, you know, just being a stay -at -home mom because they 675 00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:29,100 three kids. They had two girls and a boy. 676 00:49:29,620 --> 00:49:35,720 People that knew him said that he was a model guy, really. He worked hard. 677 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,800 Not only did he go to church, but he would volunteer. 678 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,200 He was active at his children's school. 679 00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:43,700 He just seemed like the perfect family guy. 680 00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:47,930 A couple months before, Jesse and Barbara actually went on a second 681 00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:49,110 together to Jamaica. 682 00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:53,970 So the couple seemed like they were connecting, enjoying each other's 683 00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:55,730 and things were going really well. 684 00:49:56,830 --> 00:50:03,190 But shortly after 10 p .m. that night, the Andersons' date devolved into chaos. 685 00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:08,730 According to Jesse, once they were leaving the restaurant, two black 686 00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:10,470 approached them trying to rob them. 687 00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,580 They then attacked Barbara and started stabbing her multiple times. 688 00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:20,760 And Jesse said he tried to save her and got stabbed as well. 689 00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:25,680 There was a struggle, and he said one of the teenagers left an L .A. Clippers 690 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,320 hat behind and flee the scene. 691 00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:33,200 The manager of the restaurant ran outside along with another man who 692 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,200 be an EMT. 693 00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:37,500 Jesse actually had the knife in his chest. 694 00:50:39,310 --> 00:50:42,810 The police arrive on the scene, and Jesse gives them the Los Angeles 695 00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:43,810 basketball hat. 696 00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:53,430 Paramedics rush Barbara to the hospital and directly into surgery for her more 697 00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:54,870 than 20 stab wounds. 698 00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:57,870 But her injuries prove too great. 699 00:50:59,190 --> 00:51:01,550 She dies two days later. 700 00:51:02,190 --> 00:51:07,510 The brutal murder shocks the local community and sends the media into a 701 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,920 This perfect family was just the victim of random violence committed by young, 702 00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:14,300 violent black teens. 703 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,280 The police appealed to the public to see if anybody was familiar with the L .A. 704 00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:23,780 Clippers had or maybe had an idea of who may have committed these crimes. 705 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:31,160 But investigators have questions about the attack, particularly the disparity 706 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,720 between the couple's wounds. 707 00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,160 Barbara had been stabbed 21 times in her head and in her face. 708 00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:41,520 And one of the knife wounds actually went through to her brain. 709 00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:44,240 All his injuries are superficial. 710 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,860 For Barbara Anderson's wounds to be so vicious and gruesome, and for Jesse 711 00:51:50,860 --> 00:51:54,640 Anderson's wounds to be so superficial, as the man that you would assume would 712 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,620 be the defender and the one who would put up more of a fight, raised alarms 713 00:51:58,620 --> 00:51:59,620 quickly. 714 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,580 Then, several days after the attack, a young man comes forward with a story 715 00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:08,340 blows the case wide open. 716 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,720 Tommy Miles, who he had saw the hat on the news, said that he was at the mall 717 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,200 and a man came up to him. It was a white man, bald in glasses. 718 00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:24,580 And he was like, can I buy that Clippers hat from you? He offered $20. But at 719 00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:27,820 the time, Tommy Miles was happy because he said he originally bought the hat for 720 00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:28,820 $14. 721 00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:33,210 And then he saw it on the news. He feels like basically he's implicated in that 722 00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:34,210 murder. 723 00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:38,950 Tommy's description of the man who bought the hat from him fits Jesse 724 00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:39,950 to a T. 725 00:52:41,110 --> 00:52:43,210 Things after that start to really unravel. 726 00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:47,810 Police started to investigate further and talk to people close to the couple. 727 00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:49,950 They learned that there was abuse involved. 728 00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:54,490 Detectives found notes from Barbara that... 729 00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:59,430 really painted the real picture of family life with Jesse, where she 730 00:52:59,430 --> 00:53:03,330 abuse that she suffered and the constant threats of him leaving her and the 731 00:53:03,330 --> 00:53:04,330 family. 732 00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:09,990 I think the nail in the coffin for Jesse was when police were able to track the 733 00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:15,170 murder weapon back to a military surplus store that Jesse had actually bought it 734 00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:16,610 from a few weeks prior. 735 00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:18,830 They were even able to find the receipt. 736 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,200 So there's no way that Jesse can deny that that knife was attached to him and 737 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,200 not some random killer. 738 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,220 Police charged 34 -year -old Jesse Anderson with first -degree murder. 739 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,780 The public was furious, and understandably so. He's trying to frame 740 00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:40,260 people for something that he did. 741 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,080 I think what Jesse Anderson did is one of the more evil things that you could 742 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,078 do. 743 00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,380 Things like that is what got Emmett Till killed. It's an easy lie with very 744 00:53:50,380 --> 00:53:51,380 severe consequences. 745 00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:58,960 In August 1992, Anderson is convicted and sentenced to life without parole for 746 00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,960 60 years. 747 00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:04,800 We, the jury, find the defendant, Jesse Anderson, guilty of first... Anderson 748 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,260 is sent to the Columbia Correctional Institution. 749 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,880 He finds himself at the same prison where Christopher Scarver is and Jeffrey 750 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,880 Dahmer is as well. 751 00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,900 And Jesse didn't know it at the time, but eventually he will be linked to one 752 00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:24,440 the most notorious serial killers of all time. 753 00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:35,640 For the past two years, convicted murderer Christopher Scarver has been 754 00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,480 watching his fellow inmate Jeffrey Dahmer from across the prison. 755 00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:45,440 Scarver becomes so obsessed with Jeffrey Dahmer because it gives him that sense 756 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,420 of direction, something to focus on in prison, which to the idle mind of your 757 00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:52,520 average prisoner is more important than oxygen. 758 00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,680 It keeps the social mind engaged. It keeps them feeling like there's a 759 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,760 to their life. Rather than them just being this husk rotting away in prison, 760 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,880 I have a sense of direction. 761 00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:09,390 Many believe Scarver's untreated mental health issues are putting him in a 762 00:55:09,390 --> 00:55:10,390 precarious position. 763 00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:16,770 Grandiose delusions are relatively common within psychotic disorders. 764 00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:23,090 If you believe that you are special, it gives your sense of self a higher 765 00:55:23,090 --> 00:55:27,950 purpose. This may domer a prime target to Scarver. 766 00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:32,150 On November 28, 1994. 767 00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,320 Christopher Scarver decides it's time to act. 768 00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:42,900 Christopher Scarver was serving a life sentence for murdering a boss. 769 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,120 There was a job promised to him that he didn't get. While Jeffrey Dahmer 770 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,940 couldn't have cared less about anybody, Christopher Scarver had already created 771 00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:55,460 this, you know, holy cold war in his mind of good versus evil, and I'm going 772 00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:57,720 smite this evil person, Jeffrey Dahmer. 773 00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:05,460 That morning, prison officials pair Scarver up on a work detail with Jeffrey 774 00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:08,420 Dahmer and convicted wife killer Jesse Anderson. 775 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,900 They are tasked with cleaning up the gym's locker room, and as fate would 776 00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:21,300 it on this day, somehow Jesse, Jeffrey, and Christopher 777 00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:22,680 are left alone. 778 00:56:25,540 --> 00:56:29,060 According to Chris, after the guard steps away, he's... 779 00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:33,820 filling up the mop bucket with water. And while his back is turned to the two 780 00:56:33,820 --> 00:56:38,340 men, he feels a poke in his back. When he turns around, he sees Jeffrey and 781 00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:42,020 Jesse. And he said that they had a little bit of a smirk. They were kind of 782 00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:46,140 giggling under their breath. So he didn't really know which one of them 783 00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:47,140 poked him. 784 00:56:48,730 --> 00:56:53,050 It infuriated Scarver, and he made a decision right then and there that this 785 00:56:53,050 --> 00:56:56,710 the moment that he was going to take his vengeance upon Jeffrey Dahmer for the 786 00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:58,550 actions that he had caused in Wisconsin. 787 00:57:04,210 --> 00:57:06,690 The men split up for their cleaning duties. 788 00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:13,230 That's when Scarver makes his move. 789 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,840 He picks up a 20 -inch metal exercise bar and closes in. 790 00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,440 Scarver decides to follow Jeffrey to the staff locker room, and when he gets in 791 00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:33,600 there, he said he asked Jeffrey if he really did the things that the media 792 00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,600 that he did. 793 00:57:35,580 --> 00:57:40,140 Dahmer started to realize that he was in some sort of imminent danger, and he 794 00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:43,240 tried to evade Christopher Scarver. 795 00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:46,240 Christopher locked him. 796 00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:49,500 And that's when he started to hit him in the head several times. 797 00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,940 After viciously attacking Jeffrey, Christopher's not done. 798 00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:06,340 And decides to walk over to the inmate locker room and attack Jesse. 799 00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,860 And Christopher does exactly what he did to Jeffrey to Jesse. 800 00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:26,150 Shortly after, the absent prison guard returns. 801 00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:31,590 The guard finds both men suffering severely from their injury. 802 00:58:32,810 --> 00:58:37,610 He calls for help, and the gravely injured prisoners are rushed to the 803 00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:42,770 I was in the office at the newspaper. 804 00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:47,230 I heard the scanner go off calling for an ambulance out of the prison. I was 805 00:58:47,230 --> 00:58:48,730 just thinking, you know, it was just... 806 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,340 Probably a couple inmates got into a fight, but probably something I should 807 00:58:53,340 --> 00:58:59,560 check out. Just as I got there, I saw two ambulances pull out. 808 00:59:00,860 --> 00:59:05,660 The reporter goes with his gut and decides to follow the ambulances to the 809 00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:06,660 hospital. 810 00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:14,120 So I get to the hospital, and I see Jim Smith, the sheriff. 811 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,840 He was like, I don't think one of these guys is going to make it. 812 00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:24,550 And one of them is the most infamous inmate in the prison. 813 00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:30,830 That's when it really hit me. Oh, my God, it's Jeffrey Dahmer. 814 00:59:35,550 --> 00:59:39,110 Dahmer has multiple skull fractures and brain trauma. 815 00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:42,710 He died an hour later. 816 00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:48,130 There were so many ironies in all of this. 817 00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:50,990 for the way in which his first victim had died in Ohio. 818 00:59:55,950 --> 00:59:58,070 The year is 1978. 819 00:59:59,210 --> 01:00:04,750 A then 18 -year -old Dahmer picks up hitchhiker Stephen Hicks and invites him 820 01:00:04,750 --> 01:00:07,790 back to his house to drink beer and smoke some weed. 821 01:00:08,730 --> 01:00:13,590 But the evening takes a turn when Jeffrey begins making sexual advances. 822 01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:18,460 When Stephen realized that Jeffrey was trying to make a move on him and feed 823 01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:22,280 alcohol in order to, you know, get into bed with him, that was not something 824 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,080 that Stephen was willing to do. And that's when he tried to leave. 825 01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:29,520 And that in turn made Jeffrey angry and upset because he felt like he was being 826 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,520 rejected. 827 01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:35,940 Dahmer snapped and bashes Hicks in the head with a dumbbell. 828 01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:42,720 16 years later. 829 01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:47,570 Thelmer is killed nearly the same way, as is Jesse Anderson. 830 01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:51,330 The news spreads like wildfire. 831 01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:57,490 Possibly the most notorious serial killer in American history met his own 832 01:00:57,490 --> 01:00:58,490 end today. 833 01:00:58,730 --> 01:01:00,890 Everybody on the outside world was shocked. 834 01:01:01,110 --> 01:01:03,070 Needless to say, most people were happy. 835 01:01:04,310 --> 01:01:11,190 I knew that it was just a matter of time that he would get his 836 01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:12,190 own death sentence. 837 01:01:12,810 --> 01:01:15,650 I know a lot of people rejoiced about it. 838 01:01:16,070 --> 01:01:21,450 I'm not going to say I was elated, but there was like a sense of relief, like, 839 01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:23,870 okay, it's finally done. 840 01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:27,950 I think Scarborough did what needed to be done. 841 01:01:28,270 --> 01:01:31,030 Maybe Jeffrey Dahmer had a death wish of his own. 842 01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:36,350 I just don't think he thought it would be as agonizing as it was. 843 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,720 I don't know how you can hear the story of Christopher Scarborough and not 844 01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,320 believe in karma. You know, it was this serendipitous event that put two people 845 01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,060 on a collision course, and I'm not mad at the outcome. 846 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,660 Sometimes, you know, the universe is always talking. 847 01:01:53,180 --> 01:02:00,100 This person who had caused so much chaos and confusion in our 848 01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:04,640 city for so long was now no longer alive. 849 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,420 Was I glad that somebody had killed him? No. 850 01:02:08,780 --> 01:02:10,260 What would I get out of that? 851 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,420 Didn't bring any of those 19 men back that he killed. 852 01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:18,240 Him being dead wasn't the answer to the problem. 853 01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:25,080 I was at the grocery store with my wife, and I got in the car, turned the radio 854 01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:30,460 on, and they announced that Jeffrey Dahmer had been killed. 855 01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,040 I couldn't hardly believe it. 856 01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,920 But Pastor Ratcliffe isn't just surprised. 857 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,480 He's angry. 858 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,880 After the attempt on Dahmer's life by Osvaldo Durruti four months earlier, 859 01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:49,140 prison officials promised to increase security. 860 01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,420 After the July attack, the chaplain... 861 01:02:54,910 --> 01:02:58,670 took me aside and said, we're very embarrassed about what happened, and 862 01:02:58,670 --> 01:03:01,350 going to go to great lengths to make sure Jeff is always protected. 863 01:03:01,590 --> 01:03:04,570 So when this murder occurs, I feel betrayed. 864 01:03:07,290 --> 01:03:09,850 Many raise questions about the attack. 865 01:03:10,090 --> 01:03:14,470 How could something like this happen in a maximum security prison? 866 01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:21,180 It's very Epsteinian in the way that it went down. It's very sketchy. Somebody 867 01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:25,840 that high profile dies in your jail. There needs to be an explanation as to 868 01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:26,840 something like that can happen. 869 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,960 I thought right away that it was a setup because there's no way that you can be 870 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,120 in a maximum security prison and the guards aren't with you. 871 01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,660 Jeffrey Dahmer was the most hated man in Wisconsin. 872 01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,480 And you had correctional officers that were from Milwaukee. 873 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:53,580 So for them to arrange for Christopher Scarver to be alone 874 01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:58,480 with Jeffrey Dahmer, knowing what the outcome would be, 875 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:05,400 I think that they didn't have a problem putting two and two together and coming 876 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,060 up what we know now as it happened. 877 01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:15,310 And the investigation into Dahmer's murder will only raise more questions. 878 01:04:22,350 --> 01:04:27,590 Even after Jeffrey Dahmer is murdered in prison, he continues making headlines 879 01:04:27,590 --> 01:04:31,310 when his parents publicly fight over his cremated ashes. 880 01:04:33,550 --> 01:04:37,850 At the time that I met Jeff, his mother and father were divorced. 881 01:04:39,180 --> 01:04:43,280 Lionel was remarried to someone else, and there was a great bitterness between 882 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,900 the two of them, which I didn't realize until after Jeff was murdered that they 883 01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:51,000 would fight over how many ashes each one got. 884 01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:55,200 Dahmer's parents even fight over their son's brain. 885 01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,320 That was a big issue because in Lionel's book, he implied that she was taking 886 01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,020 medication while she was pregnant with Jeff. He thought that affected Jeff's 887 01:05:06,020 --> 01:05:10,240 brain. that made him into the killer that he was. She was rejecting that. 888 01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:14,600 So much bitterness between the husband and wife. 889 01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:22,300 But Dahmer's parents aren't the only ones stirring up controversy. 890 01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:28,000 Their son's murder while in maximum security raises myriad unanswered 891 01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:33,910 We're not just talking about any regular old inmate, right? We're talking about 892 01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:38,470 Jeffrey Dahmer. So the fact that he was murdered in prison when he was supposed 893 01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:42,970 to be under supervision, the conspiracy theories started popping up left and 894 01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:43,970 right. 895 01:05:44,070 --> 01:05:48,970 There are some people who believe that the guards were sick of Jeffrey Dahmer 896 01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:53,110 themselves and walked away just to see what might happen. 897 01:05:54,070 --> 01:05:58,350 There are other theories that maybe there was money that was paid to make 898 01:05:58,350 --> 01:06:02,920 guards. happen to step away to the bathroom for an extended amount of time. 899 01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:09,860 Leaving inmates unsupervised is a no -no. That's why they hire correction 900 01:06:09,860 --> 01:06:12,480 officers, so inmates are always supervised. 901 01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:19,240 Even if they're used in the bathroom, even if they're in the shower, they're 902 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:20,240 supposed to be alone. 903 01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:28,120 Authorities charge Christopher Scarver with two counts of first -degree murder 904 01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,640 for killing Dahmer and Jesse Anderson. 905 01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:36,340 But at his arraignment, Scarver provides few clues to his motives. 906 01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:55,690 Strange, unexpected response. 907 01:06:58,130 --> 01:07:02,830 Vernell Bass, who once lived next door to Jeffrey Dahmer, also served time with 908 01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:06,550 Christopher Scarver and remembers his unusual behavior. 909 01:07:07,650 --> 01:07:13,070 I did meet him while I was in prison, and he was someone to be avoided. 910 01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:16,830 It was as if though the lights were on, but no one was home. 911 01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:22,710 He don't make his bed up, don't wash his face, don't brush his teeth, none of 912 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:23,710 that. 913 01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:28,310 That's a sign of someone whose mind is not correct. 914 01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:36,110 Christopher Scarborough, in my opinion, needed to be somewhere where he could 915 01:07:36,110 --> 01:07:38,870 get help for the criminally insane. 916 01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:50,140 In an attempt to put the conspiracy rumors to rest, the Wisconsin Department 917 01:07:50,140 --> 01:07:53,500 Corrections appoints a panel to investigate Dahmer's murder. 918 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:59,200 One member of that panel is Dahmer's former attorney, Gerald Boyle. 919 01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:06,340 I was obviously honored and delighted to get the call because I thought maybe I 920 01:08:06,340 --> 01:08:07,340 could be of some help. 921 01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:12,680 Several members of the panel decide to personally interview Scarver. 922 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,359 who was being housed in conditions straight out of a horror movie. 923 01:08:18,020 --> 01:08:24,220 We go over to the prison, and we're in a room, like in the movie science, the 924 01:08:24,220 --> 01:08:25,220 lamb. 925 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,260 He's in this cage. 926 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,720 We're all around the cage. We're in a cage, too. 927 01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:38,939 So it's like a cage within a cage, and we sit there, and suddenly the gate 928 01:08:38,939 --> 01:08:41,220 up, and Scarlett gets in. 929 01:08:43,979 --> 01:08:50,960 I said, Mr. Scarver, there are many people who are saying and thinking that 930 01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:56,000 doing what you did to Jeffrey Dahmer was racially motivated. 931 01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,779 Scarver told me the following. 932 01:09:00,939 --> 01:09:03,620 I didn't kill him because he was white. 933 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:10,140 I killed him because I did not feel that he had the right to be called a 934 01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:11,140 murderer. 935 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,540 I mean, if that isn't crazy in and of itself. 936 01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:21,640 The panel ultimately concludes there was no conspiracy to kill Jeffrey Dahmer. 937 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,700 One guard had stepped away to make a personal phone call, while another had 938 01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:28,700 to the kitchen. 939 01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:35,000 When the investigation was concluded, they decided that Christopher did indeed 940 01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000 act alone and that the guards, yes, they were negligent, but there was no... 941 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,040 premeditation behind what happened. 942 01:09:44,380 --> 01:09:47,779 The guard that was on duty at the time was suspended for a few months. 943 01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:51,520 Everybody was like slapped on the wrist. And then the world went back to how it 944 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,060 was because you can't fire somebody for Jeffrey Dahmer dying. 945 01:09:58,940 --> 01:10:04,580 At his trial, Christopher Scarver once again pleads insanity, claiming he was 946 01:10:04,580 --> 01:10:06,920 told by God to kill Dahmer and Anderson. 947 01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:11,150 And once again, a jury deems him competent. 948 01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:17,850 Eventually, he played no contest, and he was found guilty of both charges and 949 01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:20,150 sentenced to life in prison without parole. 950 01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:26,670 He was sent to solitary confinement, and he spent over 10 years in solitary 951 01:10:26,670 --> 01:10:31,710 confinement. He was hopped around to different institutions for a while 952 01:10:31,710 --> 01:10:34,070 basically no one wanted to deal with him. 953 01:10:34,490 --> 01:10:37,810 Their main excuse was we don't have the resources to house someone like this, 954 01:10:37,890 --> 01:10:41,330 but in actuality, I really think they just didn't want the headache. 955 01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:48,450 While authorities try hiding Scarver away, they can't stop him from talking. 956 01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:54,410 And decades after killing America's biggest boogeyman, he's now ready to 957 01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:57,630 why he did it and how he pulled it off. 958 01:11:03,699 --> 01:11:10,280 In 2015, more than 20 years after he murdered Dahmer, Christopher Scarver 959 01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:16,260 an interview to the New York Post and reignites the debate over the Milwaukee 960 01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:17,340 cannibal's death. 961 01:11:18,460 --> 01:11:23,680 Christopher Scarver insinuated that the guard left him alone on purpose so that 962 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,380 he would kill Jeffrey Dahmer. 963 01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,420 The way he's saying it is, did the guard tell him to do it and kind of turn a 964 01:11:31,420 --> 01:11:32,420 blind eye? 965 01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:35,300 But Scarver's admissions don't end there. 966 01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:40,380 In the interview, he also provides a new motive for why he killed Dahmer. 967 01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:46,380 He claims Dahmer taunted inmates in the meth hall by playing with his food. 968 01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:52,560 He would shape his food into body parts and then use ketchup to act like they 969 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,540 had been dismembered or to imitate a death. 970 01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,680 Almost like thumbing his nose at people. 971 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,020 As like, yeah, I am the guy that eats people. 972 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,180 Is this what pushed Christopher Scarver over the edge? 973 01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:10,900 Some have doubt. 974 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:17,580 I just don't believe it. Because that certainly wasn't the Dahmer I knew. 975 01:12:17,580 --> 01:12:22,140 he changed the way he was, but I just don't remember ever acting like that. 976 01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:28,660 I got the impression that he thought he got along well with everyone. When I'd 977 01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:32,100 ask him that, he said, oh, I get along fine. I don't have a problem with 978 01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:33,100 anybody. 979 01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:37,840 Why then did Scarver kill Jeffrey Dahmer? 980 01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,800 Despite his claims that race was not a factor, some don't believe it. 981 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:50,480 I can't really think of another reason. Jeffrey targeted men of color. 982 01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:56,080 That he killed and Jesse Anderson tried to blame two men of color for something 983 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,780 that he did that was awful. 984 01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,880 That was what connected the two of them. 985 01:13:02,780 --> 01:13:05,460 Still, others posit a different motivation. 986 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:12,640 I think the main reason Scarver killed Jeffrey Dahmer was pretty much due to 987 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:18,760 mental illness. It was a schizophrenic reaction to voices in your head. 988 01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,820 that are telling you that you have a higher purpose, that you have a calling, 989 01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:27,460 that if you take this guy out, somehow you will be saved, somehow you will be 990 01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:28,460 better. 991 01:13:29,620 --> 01:13:35,920 Our concept of mental illness and its impact in 1994 was not what it is now. 992 01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,460 Scarver was likely very undertreated for his mental illness. 993 01:13:40,860 --> 01:13:45,460 Had he been properly medicated, getting the right kind of therapy and the right 994 01:13:45,460 --> 01:13:48,120 kind of support, this may never have even took place. 995 01:13:51,790 --> 01:13:56,750 Whatever Scarver's motive, there's no denying some view him as a hero. 996 01:13:58,150 --> 01:14:03,290 He did bring karma down on Dahmer, but how can we call him a hero if we got to 997 01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:04,750 look at his crime too? 998 01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:12,750 There's like this corner of the internet now that is honestly creating some type 999 01:14:12,750 --> 01:14:15,830 of fan club for Chris. Like they're giving him this new... 1000 01:14:16,570 --> 01:14:20,470 new level of fame that he never really had when the murders first happened 1001 01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:22,110 almost 30 years ago. 1002 01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:30,690 The public perception of Scarver was that he was the good guy here, that he 1003 01:14:30,690 --> 01:14:33,030 saved the taxpayers a lot of money. 1004 01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:37,370 But was justice served? 1005 01:14:38,530 --> 01:14:40,210 I think because... 1006 01:14:40,730 --> 01:14:45,010 Jeffrey was a white man who killed men of color. And the fact that he was 1007 01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:49,030 by another man of color, I think it's kind of like a sense of justice. It's 1008 01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:52,530 a good thing, but I feel like people are finding joy in that. 1009 01:14:54,370 --> 01:14:57,670 Some people just feel that vengeance is justice. 1010 01:14:57,910 --> 01:15:00,350 Personally, I can't find a justification for that. 1011 01:15:01,310 --> 01:15:07,950 It made me sad because somewhere, someone 1012 01:15:07,950 --> 01:15:09,710 loved that man. 1013 01:15:10,670 --> 01:15:16,970 And that person right now, finding out that their loved one had been killed in 1014 01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:23,010 prison, they are suffering the same as 1015 01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:26,270 his victim's families suffered. 1016 01:15:29,170 --> 01:15:31,610 It wasn't Mr. 1017 01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:36,050 Scarborough's responsibility to end his life. 1018 01:15:37,290 --> 01:15:42,230 Nor was it Jeffrey's responsibility to end those 19 lives that he did. 1019 01:15:42,530 --> 01:15:47,090 But as my grandmother used to say, two wrongs don't make a right. 1020 01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:52,970 Christopher Scarborough kind of represents the taking care of the thing 1021 01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:56,450 nobody could do, stepping up and vanquishing evil. 1022 01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,820 He has no remorse for what he's done to Dahmer. He feels Dahmer deserved it, and 1023 01:16:09,820 --> 01:16:11,300 I agree with him. 1024 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:20,760 I believe that the good Lord knows all his transgressions, and he's finally 1025 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,580 facing some sort of justice. 1026 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,120 That's how I feel. 1027 01:16:26,380 --> 01:16:30,440 God says, I want you to forgive as I forgive, but we don't want to do that. 1028 01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:33,140 want to do the justice part because that's more fun for us. 1029 01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:33,070 You look out throughout time and culture, we've always had some villain 1030 01:18:33,070 --> 01:18:38,830 shocks and captivates our attention, whether it's Jack the Ripper or Richard 1031 01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:40,350 Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer. 1032 01:18:40,690 --> 01:18:46,430 Society has always and will always have that boogeyman that they are attracted 1033 01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:48,750 to and repulsed by simultaneously. 1034 01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:55,550 I think the next generation is more interested in what happened with Jeffrey 1035 01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:56,590 because... 1036 01:18:57,650 --> 01:19:02,290 Honestly, it's the shock value, right? A lot of people are interested in the 1037 01:19:02,290 --> 01:19:04,990 worst parts of being a human being. 1038 01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:09,050 And Jeffrey is one of the worst depictions that we've ever seen. 1039 01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:14,690 Jeffrey Dahmer thought, I'll kill someone and I'll feel better. 1040 01:19:15,370 --> 01:19:17,750 I'll dismember them and I'll feel better. 1041 01:19:18,010 --> 01:19:22,450 Then he thought that didn't work, so he would have sex with the corpse. 1042 01:19:22,690 --> 01:19:26,390 It just kept getting worse and worse and worse. 1043 01:19:29,290 --> 01:19:32,750 I don't think there's any more of a headline grabber than cannibal. 1044 01:19:33,210 --> 01:19:35,690 You know, it just puts you in a different category. 1045 01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:38,930 And that became part of Jeffrey Dahmer's story. 1046 01:19:39,190 --> 01:19:41,930 I think it made him immortally infamous. 1047 01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:50,430 Some people live good lives and become successful and raise 1048 01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:57,290 families and other people become Jeff Dahmer and go down a 1049 01:19:57,290 --> 01:19:58,470 road of no return. 93751

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