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You think you know the full story about
America's most famous monster.
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One of the nation's worst mass murder
cases ever.
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Police found a grisly scene.
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A human head plus several more skulls
and parts of bodies.
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But Jeffrey Dahmer's twisted tale
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doesn't end with his conviction.
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This is the story of the next horrific
chapter in the Milwaukee cannibal's
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His brief time behind bars.
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Convicted mass murderer Jeffrey Dahmer
has been killed.
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Told by those who knew him best.
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Prison life was not going to be easy for
Mr. Dahmer.
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Okay, I baptize you in the name of the
Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for
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the good of your sin.
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He went from being a monster to becoming
a real person.
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I've interviewed a lot of criminals, and
Jeffrey Dahmer's demeanor was sad.
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Did you kill Dahmer?
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No exception to the rules.
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He said I killed him because I did not
feel that he had the right to be called
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murderer.
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I thought right away that it was a
setup.
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Somebody finally did something.
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He's finally facing some sort of
justice.
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It's an ordinary Monday at the Columbia
Correctional Institution in Portage,
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Wisconsin. The maximum security prison
housing one of the country's most
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terrifying boogeymen, serial killer and
cannibal, Jeffrey Dahmer.
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On the morning of November 28, 1994,
Jeffrey Dahmer finds himself on a work
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detail with two other inmates,
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Jesse Anderson and Christopher Scarver.
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They had been assigned to clean the gym
and the locker room and then go back to
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their cells.
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Dahmer, he's still supposed to kind of
have a guard there watching him.
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And for whatever reason, the guards,
they left all three of these men alone,
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just stepped away.
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Jeffrey's just minding his business,
cleaning, when he hears someone creeping
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behind him.
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It's Christopher Scarver.
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When Dahmer turns around, he's met with
a weighted metal bar to the fate and is
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brutally beaten until he is near death
and bleeding out on the floor.
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And Scarver's not done yet.
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He then attacks Jesse Anderson.
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He lays Jesse Anderson out.
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He just starts beating him in the head.
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And the inmate just calmly walks back to
his cell.
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Back in the gym, all hell breaks loose.
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The guards immediately rush in, and they
find Dahmer in a bloody heap just on
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the floor.
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And that's the Anderson with his head
bludgeoned in.
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When the guards realize Scarver's
missing from the work detail, they go to
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cell to question him.
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He responds, God made me do it. You'll
see it on the 6 o 'clock news.
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News of the attack on Dahmer spreads
like wildfire among the inmates.
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The prison goes into a frenzy.
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Ambulances have to be called.
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The whole prison goes on a lockdown.
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Guards are trying to get control of the
situation, but really everyone's
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freaking out and the place is full of
chaos.
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Medics rush the badly bludgeoned serial
killer and Anderson to a local hospital.
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But neither make it.
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Convicted mass murderer Jeffrey Dahmer
has been killed. Fatal injury suffered
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this morning at Columbia Correctional
Institute.
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For some, news of Dahmer's murder.
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It was a shock.
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I got in the car, turned the radio on,
and they announced that Jeffrey Dahmer
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had been killed.
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I couldn't hardly believe it.
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Oh, my God. It's Jeffrey Dahmer.
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Murder is murder. It wasn't Mr.
Starver's responsibility to end his
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The murderer is now a celebrity.
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But for others, it's no surprise.
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There was like a sense of relief, like,
okay, it's finally done.
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Somebody finally got it taken care of.
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To me, Christopher Scarborough was kind
of like a hero.
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For Jeffrey Dahmer, a supper until he
passed, I think he deserved every bit of
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agony he went through.
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Some people just feel that vengeance is
justice.
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Well, it's not hard to understand that
at a human level.
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Scarver thought Dahmer was a rat because
he was a bad human being and did not
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deserve to live and did not deserve to
have the title murderer.
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Scarver, he said, I'm a murderer.
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Dahmer was not.
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Knowing Jeffrey Dahmer the way that I
did as my neighbor and then having been
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incarcerated myself, I kind of thought
that he would have a
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difficult time while incarcerated
because in prison the majority of the
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population is black and the majority of
his victims were black.
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17 victims in total.
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most of whose remains are uncovered
three years earlier inside Dahmer's
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innocuous Milwaukee apartment.
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One of the nation's worst mass murder
cases ever.
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Police found a grisly scene.
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A human head plus several more skulls
and parts of body.
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To kill multiple men, human beings.
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And retain their body parts in your
refrigerator?
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Where your butter is?
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Your juice?
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Your jelly?
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Who does that?
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Not a normal person.
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He wasn't the first serial slayer that I
prosecuted, but he was probably the
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worst human being in terms of what he
did to those bodies.
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When arrested, Dahmer simply admits.
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to all his unspeakable deeds.
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He was cooperative. The police officers
told me they thought he was, to a very
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good extent, truthful.
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Dahmer confessed to crimes the police
didn't even know existed.
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A whole bunch of homicides that Dahmer
testified to.
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There was no report of any missing
person.
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Dahmer didn't put up any defense to
anything.
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He just said, I did this, and this is
how I did it.
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He was never about getting away with it
in the first place. Dahmer is all about
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looking for a sense of structure and
normalcy and attention seeking.
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He wants to feel love and connection,
which is somewhat different from other
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serial killers. So when he was finally
caught, he had nothing to gain by
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it to himself.
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In fact, he had an opportunity to get
more attention than he's ever had to
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a story.
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Although police discover various parts
of 11 different victims inside Dahmer's
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apartment, he confesses to murdering 17
men and boys,
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including his youngest victim, 14 -year
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-old Jamie Dockstader.
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I made lasagna that night.
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He asked me to save him an extra piece.
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He said he met his friend Tony, we're
going to go next door, and they were
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to play video games.
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But he didn't show up.
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I couldn't find Jamie after that.
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I seen an interview with Dahmer, and
they specifically asked him why he chose
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the Native American boy.
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He said he had been watching him.
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He said he was always so clean, good
-looking, always well -dressed,
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always took care of himself.
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And he said that's what attracted him,
my son.
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Jamie was always adventurous.
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He had no fear.
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He wasn't scared of getting hurt.
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People didn't see him as a threat or a
dangerous person. Nobody was afraid of
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him. He was always able to be polite and
well -spoken.
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Here's this mild -mannered guy who
worked in a chocolate factory, and it
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out he was killing people, and he was a
cannibal.
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What was terrifying about Jeffrey Dahmer
was how normal he appeared. It's how he
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got away with it for so long.
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It was how he was able to escalate and
become this horrible serial killer.
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You would think a mouse was going to be
unattractive. Well, he was exactly the
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opposite. He was very attractive.
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Blind hair, blue eyes, I remember those.
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People say, wonder how he killed 19
people. That's how.
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Frankly, I don't think there's been a
serial killer as fierce as Jeffrey
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since Jeffrey Dahmer.
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Jeffrey
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Dahmer
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never wanted to be put on trial.
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He just wanted to be put to death.
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He knew he was guilty, and he told me...
That he didn't wear his glasses during
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much of the trial because he didn't want
to be in the courtroom.
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He didn't want to see what was going on.
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But Dahmer's attorney, Gerald Boyle,
believes there is one plea that may
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his client's life.
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My first order of business was to see if
there was an insanity defense.
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Because if you read his confession, you
would see no questions asked.
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that there was something wrong with
them.
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Here's a man who was killing folks. He
was having sex with their dead bodies.
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one point, he was drilling holes in the
heads of individuals, thinking that he
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could create zombies who would continue
to live with him.
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I certainly didn't think that he was a
man of sound mind who was just
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misbehaving.
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Dahmer could fully explain what he did,
and he can fully explain that his
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actions were wrong.
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What he did was horrible. It was
unimaginable. It was the worst kind of
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that could ever happen. Was it insane?
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To you and me, yes.
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To the law, maybe not.
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It was a hard trial to sit through.
Hearing from people who had been
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by Jeffrey Dahmer was horrible.
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The details were unbearable.
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And the sorrow and anger of the victims'
families was heartbreaking.
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How could you blame them for being angry
and for being devastated by what this
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monster did?
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But a jury finds Dahmer sane.
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And after a grueling two -week trial,
convicts him on 15 counts of first
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murder.
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Dahmer barely flinches.
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He was completely calm, quiet,
collected, no evidence of stress.
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Dahmer was the easiest client I ever
represented.
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He never asked for anything.
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He never demanded anything.
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He never suggested that we could do a
better job. Never.
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One time.
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While Dahmer's trial is emotionally
exhausting, it's nothing compared to the
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final impact statement a victim's
relative gives before his sentencing.
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He didn't react at all.
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I'll never forget that. The bailiffs
jumped in and stopped the lady before
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got to him, but you can understand she
was overwhelmed.
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Then it's Dahmer's turn to deliver a
statement to the victim's families.
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I know my time in prison will be
terrible, but I deserve whatever I get
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of what I have done. I ask for no
consideration.
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He received the maximum sentence.
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The 15 consecutive terms of life
imprisonment, which would be basically
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950 years.
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While Dahmer awaits transfer to the
prison where he'll spend the rest of his
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life, across town, another accused
killer bides his time behind bars as
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His name is Christopher Scarver, and he
has no idea that one day, fate will put
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him directly in the path of the monster
on his screen.
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In the winter of 1992, Dahmer settles
into the Columbia Correctional
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Institution, a maximum security prison
in Portage, Wisconsin, to live out the
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remainder of his life.
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The kinds of people that are kept in CPI
are severe cases. It's a maximum
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security prison for a reason.
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The local townsfolk aren't thrilled with
their new resident.
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It did.
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Kind of ruffle some feathers that people
in Portage didn't want their town to be
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known for the place that housed this
horrific serial killer.
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They would rather it be known for other
things that go on there, like all the
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festivals and their historic downtown.
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Prison officials are aware of the
dangers Dahmer faces and place them in
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solitary confinement.
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Columbia Correctional Institution houses
a few hundred people there, probably
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overcrowded. So even though the vast
majority of inmates probably weren't
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looking to have anything to do with
Jeffrey Dahmer, there's a few crazy ones
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there who feel like they need to carry
out vengeance.
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When somebody like Jeffrey Dahmer goes
to prison, they often have a target on
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their back because of their celebrity.
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but also because their crimes are
usually more heinous than your average
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prisoner in jail.
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So the prisoner population now has
somebody to vilify.
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Now they're not the villains. They got a
new villain.
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They knew that somebody was going to
kill him. So it was really to protect
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because it was like if they would have
put him in general population, as soon
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he would have stepped on the floor, it
just would have been over.
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Dahmer's isolation is a difficult
tradeoff.
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You don't see other people. You don't
get to talk to other people. It's boring
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and gets very lonely.
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We think we don't need people, but stay
in there a while.
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Humans are social creatures.
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The human brain relies pinging off of
other people in order to understand who
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are. And when we lose everybody around
us, we have nothing in the external
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to stimulate us. So we go internal.
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To take us away from other people is to
slowly drive us insane.
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Dahmer endures his time in isolation,
but after a long, lonely year, reaches
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his limit being alone.
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I think that started to eat at him
because one thing about Jeffrey Dahmer
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needs attention, and I think that
started to make him a little stir -crazy
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he got there, for sure.
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Jeffrey petitioned to actually be
released to general population.
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Dahmer figures he's going to take his
chances with the population rather than
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continue to be in solitary confinement.
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Just put me in gen pop and whatever
happens, happens.
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You know, because you're technically
dead right now. You're in solitary.
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you're breathing and stuff, but I mean,
it's over.
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In the summer of 1992, prison officials
grant Jeffrey Dahmer's request to live
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among his fellow inmate.
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Where Jeffrey Dahmer ends up was a
specific ward for the mentally unstable,
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almost a prison within a prison.
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And when he's not in his cell, he's
being taken from place to place in
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with guards.
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He is not left alone.
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Many wonder if Dahmer will face prison
justice from his fellow inmates.
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We like to think we're in control, but
the reality is...
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There's always more inmates than staff.
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Always.
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The last thing you want to be is a
person with a target on their back in a
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prison.
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To be a person who the prisoners
universally want to harm is not a good
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place to be.
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He was in real shark -infested waters.
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It's in Gen Pop that convicted murderer
Christopher Scarborough sees the
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infamous serial killer in person.
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For the first time.
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I think Christopher Scarver was, like
everyone else in the prison, angry and
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disgusted at the actions of Jeffrey
Dahmer, but also just kind of wanted to
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avoid him because he's a weird guy.
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Neither man knows it yet, but they're on
a collision course for destiny.
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Fellow inmates Jeffrey Dahmer and
Christopher Scarver have more in common
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they realize.
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Christopher Scarver, much like Jeffrey
Dahmer, grew up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
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At a young age, he started to do bad in
school because of his alcohol use, and
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that caused him to fail out.
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So he drops out of school, and his mom
kicked him out of the house because of
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all the alcohol and drug use that he was
doing. And his mom had five kids,
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single mother.
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She was like, well, I can't have that
around my other four kids.
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A couple years later, Scarver manages to
get his life back on track, enrolling
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in the Wisconsin Conservation Corps job
program.
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The job corps is basically like a place
where you rebuild your life, you learn
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skills, and if you do a really good job,
then they'll give you a job at the end
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of it. He was taking the carpentry
program.
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Edward Patt, one of the instructors at
the corps, takes Scarver under his wing.
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Edward Patz really took a liking to him.
He promised him. He said, when you get
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out of here, I'm definitely going to
have a job for you. I'm going to make
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I take care of you.
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Scarver moved in with his girlfriend.
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He finds out that she's pregnant.
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Life seems to be going the way that it
should be going for Christopher Scarver.
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You know, he has a lot of things to look
forward to.
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Then, without warning, Scarver has the
rug pulled out from under him.
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Edward Patz is fired.
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And the site manager, John Thayen, gives
the promised job to someone else.
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When that happened, that really threw
Christopher off on a deep end. You know,
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he got more into marijuana, drugs,
alcohol.
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And then around this time as well is
when he was, you know, having voices in
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head. He was saying the voices were
telling him he's the chosen one.
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Now, all this is happening, and at the
same time, his girlfriend was pregnant
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well.
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To do all the right thing.
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and get affirmation for them and then
have that affirmation taken away is
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really devastating.
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It's a terrible feeling and terrifying
as well, to be 19, having a family to
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support.
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And it seems like he just didn't care
anymore at all. He went into this, like,
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little black hole of depression.
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With his life spiraling out of control,
Scarver thirsts for revenge.
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On June 1, 1990, he goes to the
Conservation Corps training site and
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confronts John Fahan and another
employee, Steve Lohman.
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Christopher comes in with a gun, and he
demands money.
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So John pulls $15 out of his wallet, and
he says, you know, this is all I have.
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And Christopher turns around and shoots
Steven.
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After he shoots him, he says, okay, now
you know that I'm not playing.
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John says, I really don't have any
money, so he writes him a check for $3
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But Scarver still isn't satisfied.
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He shoots Steve like about three more
times. He starts shooting into his dead
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body.
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John, who is terrified, runs away as
fast as he can.
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While he's running away, though, Chris
is still shooting at John, but
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fortunately misses.
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And after that, Chris bleeds to death.
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Police immediately put out an APB for
Scarver.
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He's surprisingly easy to locate.
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Within a matter of hours, Chris was
arrested at his girlfriend's house with
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the gun and the $3 ,000 check still in
his possession.
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They charged Scarver with the murder of
Steve Lohman and attempted murder of
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John Thayen.
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He pleads not guilty by reason of mental
disease.
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Eventually it was found out that he had
schizophrenia. You would hear voices
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that would say he's the chosen one.
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Psychiatrists at his trial testified
that although there are many people that
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have schizophrenia and they're not
violent, she felt that if Chris went
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untreated, he would definitely become
extremely dangerous to himself and
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He had what's called Masonic delusions,
delusions of grandeur, religious -type
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delusions, thinking that he was some
embodiment of God, some higher power. In
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that psychotic state where you're
responding to voices and things telling
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what to do, it becomes very easy to
justify any actions that you take.
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Like Jeffrey Dahmer, a jury also finds
Scarver sane and therefore guilty of
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murder.
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They sentence him to life without
parole.
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and eventually send him to the Columbia
Correctional Institution, where he comes
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face -to -face with Jeffrey Dahmer.
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He studies him, but he keeps a distance.
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He wants nothing to do at all with
Dahmer.
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But that will change.
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Jeffrey Dahmer isn't making many friends
inside prison, but he does develop a
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devoted cadre of pen pals.
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Jeffrey Dahmer's crimes had...
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put him into the ranks with Jack the
Ripper and Ted Bundy to where it was so
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shocking that people gravitated towards
it instead of running away from it. So
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he's now in prison receiving fan mail
with money inside of it for commissary,
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love letters, devotees singing his
praises.
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He was getting mail from not only men,
but women as well that wanted to pursue
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relationship with him.
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even though they knew that he was a
homosexual.
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Habristophilia, sometimes called Bonnie
and Clyde syndrome, is the attraction to
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criminal behavior.
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It gives the person who usually has a
more beta personality, somebody who is
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secure in themselves, winds up being
attracted to that sense of danger, that
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sense of take charge that serial killers
often provide.
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And that's why Dahmer winds up getting
all these letters in prison.
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People who are so fascinated with him,
they just can't leave him alone.
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They start to empathize with Jeffrey
Dahmer to correspond with him from
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That gives you enough room, enough space
to fill in your own fantasies, your own
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desires, and what you want the
relationship to be.
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But Dahmer has other, more celestial
interests.
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Jeffrey gets out of solitary
confinement, and he seems like a new man
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he's found religion.
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As Dahmer promised in his courtroom
statement, I promise I will pray each
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ask for their forgiveness when the hurt
goes away, if ever.
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He turns toward his faith behind bars.
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Religion became a big part of his day
-to -day life. He would go to the chapel
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and pray. He starts to read the Bible.
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The part of Jeffrey Dahmer that turns to
religion is the same part of him that
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feels remorse for what he's done. The
part of him that is human and has a
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of morality.
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And so religion offers an escape from
that. It offers him a second chance, a
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to be forgiven and wipe the slate clean.
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It's not the first time Dahmer's turned
to Christianity.
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In 1981, a few years after committing
his first murder, Dahmer moves in with
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grandmother in Milwaukee and tries to
reform his evil ways.
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His grandmother was a spiritual person,
and she seemed to have a beneficent
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influence on Dahmer.
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Dahmer started reading the Bible,
started thinking about these things, and
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assessing what he had done.
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When Jeffrey was 13 years old, he had
engaged in a romantic physical
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relationship with a boy in his
neighborhood. And this was the first
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to Jeffrey that he had, that he was in
fact gay.
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But it was something that Jeffrey felt
like he had to hide.
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Religion was like his last effort on
trying to fix what he thought was
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which was being gay. And he really dove
into that and spent a lot of time
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studying religion, going to church. And
everyone around Jeffrey thought that
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this was going to be a really good thing
for him.
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It appears to work until Dahmer has an
encounter at the local library.
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The young man dropped a note in his lap
saying, let's meet in the bathroom and
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have a sexual encounter.
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Dahmer didn't do that, but he started
rethinking the spiritual aspects of his
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life and then made a conscious decision
to step away from what had been the good
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influence of his grandmother.
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Desperate to act out on his dark
desires, Dahmer finds a new romantic
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mannequin he steals from a local
department store.
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Dahmer has this mannequin as a kind of
stopgap measure, somebody he can impose
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his will on that won't fight back.
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Dahmer keeps his new love a secret,
storing the mannequin in his closet
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he's away.
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But it's only a matter of time before
his forbidden partner is exposed.
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One day, his grandmother went into his
room, opened his closet, and was shocked
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and disturbed at seeing this mannequin.
So she completely freaked out and forced
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him to get rid of it.
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Now, Dahmer must turn to other ways to
get his kicks.
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Outside the home.
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Bathhouses were a place that you could
go and anticipate you would meet a
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partner. But the men there found Jeffrey
Dahmer to be incredibly creepy.
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He would drug them. They'd say, here,
have a drink of my coffee, whatever
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be using.
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The guy would take the drink and pass
out, and then Dahmer would sexually
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exploit him according to his desires.
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The underlying driving force with Dahmer
was the fantasy of sex with an
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unconscious person.
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There becomes a point of no return. He's
like a shark that's had a taste of
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blood. There really is no going back for
Dahmer.
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The rest is history.
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Police found a grisly scene.
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A human head, plus several more skulls
and parts of body.
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Now in prison, Dahmer appears to fully
embrace his newfound faith.
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He even requests to be baptized.
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We got a phone call in 1994 saying an
inmate wanted to be baptized. Would I
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please baptize him?
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I said, okay, I've never done a prison
baptism, but tell me what his name is
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we'll do this. He said, well, you might
want to sit down for this.
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Oh, why is that? Because his name is
Jeffrey Dahmer.
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Pastor Ratcliffe heads behind the razor
wire to meet with the man he only knows
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as legend.
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I first heard about Jeff on the
television, of course. I remember
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would a person do that? I didn't quite
know what to expect because I'd never
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been to a prison before.
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And I anticipated, well, I'll probably
be in a room with a glass wall between
440
00:32:06,910 --> 00:32:08,390
while I'm talking to him on a telephone.
441
00:32:09,150 --> 00:32:15,130
So I was quite surprised when I was
escorted to a simple room, 10 by 12 feet
442
00:32:15,130 --> 00:32:17,690
so, with a table and chairs, and to sit
down.
443
00:32:19,770 --> 00:32:21,110
Finally, someone comes to the door.
444
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,280
It's Jeffrey Dahmer.
445
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,740
I recognize it because I've seen him on
TV.
446
00:32:28,780 --> 00:32:33,840
So there I am in a room all by myself
with nothing but a table between the two
447
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:34,840
of us.
448
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:41,780
And I'm thinking, wow, I'm in a room
with a man who's killed a bunch of other
449
00:32:41,780 --> 00:32:44,560
people. You have a moment of panic
there.
450
00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:48,700
But because I'm a preacher, why do you
want to be baptized?
451
00:32:49,420 --> 00:32:53,740
And so he begins to quote scriptures
from me, which is a surprise.
452
00:32:54,100 --> 00:32:56,080
That needs to have his sins washed away.
453
00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:58,820
It changed my view of him.
454
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,920
He went from being a monster to becoming
a real person.
455
00:33:05,020 --> 00:33:10,000
Prison officials approved Dahmer's
baptism for May 10, 1994.
456
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,660
On the day that Jeff was baptized, there
was a total solar eclipse, so it got
457
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:16,880
dark on that day.
458
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,080
There was also the day that John Wayne
Gacy was put to death, which is, I
459
00:33:22,100 --> 00:33:23,100
ironic.
460
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:27,360
Jeffrey Dahmer died to his sins, and
John Wayne Gacy died for his crimes.
461
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:34,420
The chaplain and two guards escort Jeff
and myself from the chaplain's office
462
00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:39,780
through various halls, and then we pass
other inmates, and they said, Hey, J
463
00:33:39,780 --> 00:33:40,960
.D., how's it going?
464
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,180
And he said, Hey, I'm going to be
baptized today. And they thought, Well,
465
00:33:44,180 --> 00:33:45,180
great.
466
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,640
The guards lead the pastor and serial
killer to the medical area, which has
467
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,640
numerous tongues.
468
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,040
And Jeff takes off his clothes and puts
on this white little outfit that the
469
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,240
chaplain had made for him and then
climbs into the tub.
470
00:34:04,900 --> 00:34:08,040
So then I simply put my hand on his head
and say, okay, I baptize you in the
471
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,320
name of the Father, the Son, and the
Holy Spirit for the good of your sins.
472
00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:13,520
Then push his head under the water.
473
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,580
And then he comes back up and says,
welcome to the family of God.
474
00:34:20,340 --> 00:34:24,020
But not everyone's pleased with Dahmer's
embrace of Christianity.
475
00:34:25,420 --> 00:34:31,520
On the day that Jeff was baptized, some
anonymous person called on my phone and
476
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,120
described me as a piece of human
anatomy.
477
00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:39,080
He used a more crude word to describe
it. Well, he didn't understand why I did
478
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,080
what I did.
479
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:42,980
When I heard that Dahmer had...
480
00:34:43,389 --> 00:34:44,909
Apparently he found religion.
481
00:34:46,449 --> 00:34:51,889
I thought it wasn't real with him. He
didn't take it to his heart. I didn't
482
00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:52,889
that he ever would.
483
00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:58,270
I don't feel that he should have been
baptized because he didn't believe.
484
00:34:59,630 --> 00:35:04,010
I think it infuriated a lot of people,
but also left a lot of people conflicted
485
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:08,210
because if you are a devout religious
person and this person is now saying,
486
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:10,690
accepted this religion and I've repented
for my sins.
487
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:14,570
then you've got to forgive Jeffrey
Dahmer. And it's hard to forgive a guy
488
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:19,230
you've seen a bag of hearts and arms and
shoulders and heads come out of their
489
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:22,210
apartment. So I think it really made
people question their religion in a way.
490
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,460
It's easy to think of him as all evil or
all good.
491
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:28,700
He was a complicated person, and so he
did awful things.
492
00:35:28,900 --> 00:35:32,780
But I think it's also conceivable that
he could have been genuinely remorseful
493
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:36,500
and struggling and conflicted, and that
we shouldn't just dismiss the complexity
494
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:40,280
of that as though he's just pretending
to look good. I think it's much more
495
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,280
complicated than that.
496
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,460
I never got the sense that he was being
anything other than genuine with me.
497
00:35:47,620 --> 00:35:50,420
Now, this is very serious stuff as far
as I could tell with him.
498
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,400
Following the baptism, Dahmer continues
on his new spiritual path, reading the
499
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,500
Bible and meeting once a week with
Pastor Radcliffe.
500
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:05,920
So the chaplain arranges for what's
called a permanent pastoral pass.
501
00:36:06,810 --> 00:36:10,790
Every Wednesday from that point on, I
could come to Jeff and meet with him for
502
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:14,830
an hour and talk about anything that we
want to talk about. But my encouragement
503
00:36:14,830 --> 00:36:17,910
to him was don't put yourself off into
your cell by yourself alone.
504
00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:21,350
Try to be around other Christians as
much as you possibly can.
505
00:36:22,670 --> 00:36:28,250
The Milwaukee cannibal takes the advice
to heart and begins attending Sunday
506
00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:30,150
services in the prison chapel.
507
00:36:31,790 --> 00:36:35,490
It's there he'll come face to face with
a new threat.
508
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:48,220
A reborn Jeffrey Dahmer is living his
new life behind bars, holding weekly
509
00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:49,460
study with his pastor.
510
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:55,500
But some of his fellow inmates, like
Christopher Scarver, believe it's all an
511
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:56,500
act.
512
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,160
Christopher Scarver mentioned that
Jeffrey Dahmer had these unremorseful
513
00:37:01,220 --> 00:37:05,820
but he didn't buy the religious act that
Jeffrey Dahmer was putting on, and it
514
00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:08,000
made him want to commit violence against
him.
515
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:12,100
Dahmer was very mischievous, for lack of
a better term.
516
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:16,740
I've heard stories of him taking his
lunches and, you know, whittling them
517
00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:20,120
body parts and then pouring ketchup on
them and kind of leaving them there on
518
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,320
the table for people to see.
519
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,800
He would walk up to guards and say, I do
bite.
520
00:37:27,580 --> 00:37:30,000
A lot of people say, oh, that's
disgusting.
521
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,820
And I said, no, that's Jeff Dahmer.
That's his sense of humor.
522
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:38,490
I saw that in junior high and high
school, and that was still a sense of
523
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:39,490
in prison, too.
524
00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:44,950
The word cannibal, it's a persona that
he adopted, that he pursued and tried to
525
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:46,950
get people to think in that way of him.
526
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:53,590
I think in general, Jeffrey Dahmer was
very much a bear off a leash to a lot of
527
00:37:53,590 --> 00:37:56,550
people. Unassuming guy, scrawny.
528
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:58,190
gigantic glasses.
529
00:37:58,370 --> 00:38:03,430
But once you know what he's done, you
are apprehensive. And now you have a
530
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:08,430
person who is playing the role of
Hannibal Lecter and making jokes and
531
00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:10,270
at you and being cheeky.
532
00:38:11,470 --> 00:38:16,190
He even went as far as to put up a sign
in his cell that said Cannibals
533
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:17,190
Anonymous Meeting.
534
00:38:17,610 --> 00:38:22,870
So he was definitely leaning into the
ideals that everyone already had of him,
535
00:38:22,930 --> 00:38:27,410
which is this man is playing the game,
and he probably still has these same
536
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:30,650
feelings that he had when he was out
doing these killings.
537
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:39,070
It's with his eighth victim, Ernest
Miller, in September 1990.
538
00:38:39,900 --> 00:38:44,420
that Dahmer crossed the Rubicon from
serial killer to cannibal.
539
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:50,740
After he killed Miller and dismembered
him, he cooked him and he ate him.
540
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,400
Like, what does that even taste like?
541
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,760
Dahmer realizes if you eat them, they'll
always be with you. And that provides a
542
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:06,600
satisfaction and even sometimes a sexual
component to the psychopath that'll
543
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:07,600
never leave you.
544
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:12,830
He is keeping their bodies in his
apartment. He is preserving them and
545
00:39:12,830 --> 00:39:16,790
stacking up. You can only imagine the
smell that was coming from Jeffrey's
546
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:17,790
apartment.
547
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:23,770
The level of depravity was way beyond.
548
00:39:28,090 --> 00:39:32,970
Some believe Dahmer's actions in prison
aren't an attempt to make light of his
549
00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:36,090
crimes, but to get the attention that he
craves.
550
00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:41,340
When you look at Jeffrey Dahmer when he
was young, when he was in high school,
551
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,720
this profoundly socially awkward person
that only knew how to get attention by
552
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:50,460
making weird faces and jumping around
and acting in this bizarre way. Any
553
00:39:50,460 --> 00:39:53,500
attention for a guy like Dahmer, any
attention is good attention.
554
00:39:53,860 --> 00:39:58,560
And so Dahmer's going to do whatever it
takes to get any kind of attention, even
555
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,460
if it's ridicule, even if he's being
laughed at, as long as he's not ignored.
556
00:40:03,740 --> 00:40:08,280
One of the things I clearly remember
about Jeff Dahmer is that, you know, he
557
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,000
would be walking down the hall and you'd
be standing there talking to somebody
558
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,660
by your locker, just doing nothing, and
he'd just stoop over and put his head on
559
00:40:15,660 --> 00:40:17,680
your chest and say, I want to listen to
your heart.
560
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:23,540
I think he used the cannibal persona as
a defense mechanism because it
561
00:40:23,540 --> 00:40:24,560
accomplished two things.
562
00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:26,740
One thing, it attracted attention.
563
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:28,860
Come look at me. Look, I'm doing
something weird.
564
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,740
At the same time, it also was a way of
saying to people, Don't get too close to
565
00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:35,940
me because I don't trust you. Because he
didn't really have friends.
566
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:41,300
And while he doesn't know it, Dahmer is
making enemies.
567
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:47,360
One inmate in particular is beginning to
harbor deep animosity toward him.
568
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:50,940
37 -year -old Osvaldo DeRuthi.
569
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,940
Osvaldo DeRuthi was a Cuban native. He
was serving 30 years in prison for drugs
570
00:40:57,940 --> 00:40:58,940
and weapons possession.
571
00:40:59,220 --> 00:41:01,180
And he heard about the Jeffrey Dahmer
case.
572
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:07,400
And he had this self -righteous feeling
that this is an opportunity for me to
573
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:08,400
wipe the slate clean.
574
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,340
I wanted to come to the United States
because, you know, this is delaying our
575
00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:32,580
opportunity, man. You know, everybody
want to come to the United States.
576
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:38,400
But Daruti, who had been serving a 10
-year sentence for robbery in a Cuban
577
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,180
prison, has no skills.
578
00:41:41,540 --> 00:41:43,560
I was young, man. I was 21.
579
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:47,720
I had nobody in the United States. To
make my way up, you know, I had to keep
580
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:51,520
doing what I was doing in Cuba, you
know, stealing and selling drugs and
581
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,480
hustling my way around, you know, to
survive.
582
00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:59,770
In 1991, Daruti gets in over his head.
583
00:42:00,490 --> 00:42:05,870
I was selling drugs to undercover, and I
didn't know I was an undercover.
584
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:10,210
I got caught with two kilos of cocaine,
you know.
585
00:42:11,250 --> 00:42:14,710
I was big time, you know, seller, and I
had a gun also.
586
00:42:15,370 --> 00:42:17,330
I went to prison for a long time.
587
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:20,830
I thought I would never get out. I think
I was 31 years.
588
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:25,410
Daruti is sent to Wappen Correctional
Institution.
589
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:26,840
in Wappen, Wisconsin.
590
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:37,240
That's where he first learns of Jeffrey
Dahmer, watching his trial unfold on TV.
591
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:45,020
I feel offended for what he did to
humankind, you know, to humanity.
592
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,800
You know, that is crazy, man. That
pissed me off, you know.
593
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:54,760
The more he hears about Dahmer, the more
Duruti's anger builds.
594
00:42:57,230 --> 00:43:01,410
When Dahmer is sent to prison, DiRuti
decides he wants vengeance.
595
00:43:02,350 --> 00:43:04,430
I said, well, you know, he might kill
again.
596
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:07,250
He might do it again inside the joint
also.
597
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:12,590
I had 31 years. I had no more freedom,
you know. So I said, why not? We're
598
00:43:12,590 --> 00:43:13,610
trying to stop this man.
599
00:43:16,630 --> 00:43:20,850
But when Dahmer's sent to the Columbia
Correctional Institution, one of
600
00:43:20,850 --> 00:43:23,630
Wisconsin's few prisons with a mental
health unit,
601
00:43:24,350 --> 00:43:27,090
Daruti knows their paths will never
cross.
602
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:30,610
That's when he devises a plan.
603
00:43:33,050 --> 00:43:38,290
Daruti decides to fake mental illness so
he can be transferred to Dahmer's
604
00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:39,290
prison.
605
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:47,470
I was always talking crazy, talking loud
and causing people up. When I go to the
606
00:43:47,470 --> 00:43:52,590
doctor, I try to pretend like I was
paranoid, pretending to hate demons, you
607
00:43:52,590 --> 00:43:58,080
know. All over me, you know, it takes
dedication to do that, man, you know. I
608
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,480
was serious about what I wanted to do.
609
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:07,720
In late June 1994, after nearly two
years of acting crazy, prison officials
610
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,440
finally send Daruti to the state's
mental health institution.
611
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,400
It's in the mess hall where Daruti gets
his first look at his prey in person.
612
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,260
But Dahmer isn't the boogeyman he had
envisioned.
613
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:33,600
This is a handsome man. Why he got to
kill? Why he got to eat it? Why he got
614
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:34,600
do that?
615
00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:40,980
He knows getting close enough to attack
Dahmer isn't going to be easy.
616
00:44:41,780 --> 00:44:46,860
The only way inmates can get together is
at chapel on Sundays.
617
00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:50,320
So I decided to go to church.
618
00:44:50,910 --> 00:44:53,630
I understand, see what I can do, I'll
tell it.
619
00:44:54,570 --> 00:44:57,310
But Daruti's not bringing his Bible.
620
00:44:58,930 --> 00:45:04,630
Instead, he creates a makeshift knife, a
shiv, by attaching a razor blade to his
621
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:05,630
toothbrush.
622
00:45:08,430 --> 00:45:14,810
On Sunday, July 3rd, 1994, just one week
after Daruti arrives at the prison,
623
00:45:15,010 --> 00:45:16,730
he prepares to strike.
624
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:26,060
When I got to the chapel, I noticed
there was a lot of inmates, and I sat
625
00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:28,040
three rows from him, behind him.
626
00:45:29,500 --> 00:45:36,500
I took my strength out of my socks, and
I keep it
627
00:45:36,500 --> 00:45:38,860
in my hand, carry it in my hand, you
know.
628
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,140
That was when I grabbed him.
629
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,640
I grabbed him with my left hand and put
it in his headlock.
630
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:49,720
That's how, you know.
631
00:45:50,170 --> 00:45:51,170
Slash him.
632
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:57,350
But in a flood of adrenaline, Daruti
presses too hard on his shiv, and the
633
00:45:57,350 --> 00:45:58,350
blade snaps off.
634
00:46:00,890 --> 00:46:04,790
He broke, leaving only the mark on his
neck.
635
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:11,470
And when it happened, I got so, so
fucking mad, man.
636
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:14,730
I started hitting, hitting in the face.
637
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:18,410
Before the guy came, you know.
638
00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:20,070
Poking him awake.
639
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:31,290
Much to Daruti's disappointment, the
wound to Dahmer's neck is superficial.
640
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:39,610
Osvaldo took premeditated to a whole new
level. I mean, think about having to
641
00:46:39,610 --> 00:46:40,610
fake an illness.
642
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,400
not just an illness, a mental illness,
for over two years just to get to this
643
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,640
one person. I mean, there was a lot of
hard work that went into that. So I can
644
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,040
imagine the amount of disappointment
that he felt to know that he failed.
645
00:46:54,500 --> 00:46:59,580
I was pissed, man. I was pissed because
I wasn't expecting that to happen.
646
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,080
How did that happen?
647
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,620
He's supposed to be dead.
648
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:09,980
For his attempted murder of Dahmer,
authorities tack on an additional five
649
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:16,520
years. to Durruti's existing 31 -year
sentence and sent him back to Wappen
650
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,200
Correctional Institution to serve his
time.
651
00:47:23,100 --> 00:47:29,500
While Durruti's assassination attempt
fails, it does inspire other inmates who
652
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:31,940
share his hatred for Jeffrey Dahmer.
653
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,960
In prison, news travels fast. So the
fact that there was a murder attempt on
654
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,000
Jeffrey, it got around.
655
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:47,920
I had heard that someone had tried to
get at him, but that they weren't
656
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,720
successful. And I said, give it time.
657
00:47:51,860 --> 00:47:57,160
Sooner or later, someone is going to put
an end to this monstrous deviant.
658
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,380
It's just inevitable.
659
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,100
She has no idea how right she is.
660
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:10,700
In the shadows and in the background is
Christopher Scarver observing every move
661
00:48:10,700 --> 00:48:17,360
and fuming at the evil act that Dahmer
did, and it made him truly infuriated.
662
00:48:17,380 --> 00:48:23,520
And he started to brew and fantasize
about what he would do if he ever was
663
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:29,080
with the ability to get revenge for the
people who Jeffrey Dahmer killed.
664
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,740
Once Osvaldo acted first, he got
permission to do what he wanted to do.
665
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,720
But Dahmer won't be Scarborough's only
intended victim.
666
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,840
At the time of Jeffrey Dahmer's arrest
in 1992, the nation's attention is
667
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,500
focused on the grisly details of his
murders.
668
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,620
But across town in northwest Milwaukee,
there's another drama unfolding.
669
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:02,540
one that will soon introduce another new
character into Dahmer's orbit.
670
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:09,700
On April 21st, 1992, Jesse Anderson and
his wife Barbara
671
00:49:09,700 --> 00:49:14,760
are enjoying a pleasant evening out on
the town with a movie and dinner.
672
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:21,140
Jesse Anderson, he was a salesperson for
like an oil company. It paid really
673
00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:22,960
good money because he was a good
salesman.
674
00:49:23,220 --> 00:49:27,420
And Barbara ended up, you know, just
being a stay -at -home mom because they
675
00:49:27,420 --> 00:49:29,100
three kids. They had two girls and a
boy.
676
00:49:29,620 --> 00:49:35,720
People that knew him said that he was a
model guy, really. He worked hard.
677
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,800
Not only did he go to church, but he
would volunteer.
678
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,200
He was active at his children's school.
679
00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:43,700
He just seemed like the perfect family
guy.
680
00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:47,930
A couple months before, Jesse and
Barbara actually went on a second
681
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:49,110
together to Jamaica.
682
00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:53,970
So the couple seemed like they were
connecting, enjoying each other's
683
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:55,730
and things were going really well.
684
00:49:56,830 --> 00:50:03,190
But shortly after 10 p .m. that night,
the Andersons' date devolved into chaos.
685
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:08,730
According to Jesse, once they were
leaving the restaurant, two black
686
00:50:08,730 --> 00:50:10,470
approached them trying to rob them.
687
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,580
They then attacked Barbara and started
stabbing her multiple times.
688
00:50:17,340 --> 00:50:20,760
And Jesse said he tried to save her and
got stabbed as well.
689
00:50:21,900 --> 00:50:25,680
There was a struggle, and he said one of
the teenagers left an L .A. Clippers
690
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,320
hat behind and flee the scene.
691
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:33,200
The manager of the restaurant ran
outside along with another man who
692
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,200
be an EMT.
693
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:37,500
Jesse actually had the knife in his
chest.
694
00:50:39,310 --> 00:50:42,810
The police arrive on the scene, and
Jesse gives them the Los Angeles
695
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:43,810
basketball hat.
696
00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:53,430
Paramedics rush Barbara to the hospital
and directly into surgery for her more
697
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:54,870
than 20 stab wounds.
698
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:57,870
But her injuries prove too great.
699
00:50:59,190 --> 00:51:01,550
She dies two days later.
700
00:51:02,190 --> 00:51:07,510
The brutal murder shocks the local
community and sends the media into a
701
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:12,920
This perfect family was just the victim
of random violence committed by young,
702
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:14,300
violent black teens.
703
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,280
The police appealed to the public to see
if anybody was familiar with the L .A.
704
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:23,780
Clippers had or maybe had an idea of who
may have committed these crimes.
705
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:31,160
But investigators have questions about
the attack, particularly the disparity
706
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,720
between the couple's wounds.
707
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,160
Barbara had been stabbed 21 times in her
head and in her face.
708
00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:41,520
And one of the knife wounds actually
went through to her brain.
709
00:51:42,420 --> 00:51:44,240
All his injuries are superficial.
710
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,860
For Barbara Anderson's wounds to be so
vicious and gruesome, and for Jesse
711
00:51:50,860 --> 00:51:54,640
Anderson's wounds to be so superficial,
as the man that you would assume would
712
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,620
be the defender and the one who would
put up more of a fight, raised alarms
713
00:51:58,620 --> 00:51:59,620
quickly.
714
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,580
Then, several days after the attack, a
young man comes forward with a story
715
00:52:06,580 --> 00:52:08,340
blows the case wide open.
716
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,720
Tommy Miles, who he had saw the hat on
the news, said that he was at the mall
717
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:19,200
and a man came up to him. It was a white
man, bald in glasses.
718
00:52:19,660 --> 00:52:24,580
And he was like, can I buy that Clippers
hat from you? He offered $20. But at
719
00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:27,820
the time, Tommy Miles was happy because
he said he originally bought the hat for
720
00:52:27,820 --> 00:52:28,820
$14.
721
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:33,210
And then he saw it on the news. He feels
like basically he's implicated in that
722
00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:34,210
murder.
723
00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:38,950
Tommy's description of the man who
bought the hat from him fits Jesse
724
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:39,950
to a T.
725
00:52:41,110 --> 00:52:43,210
Things after that start to really
unravel.
726
00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:47,810
Police started to investigate further
and talk to people close to the couple.
727
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:49,950
They learned that there was abuse
involved.
728
00:52:51,450 --> 00:52:54,490
Detectives found notes from Barbara
that...
729
00:52:54,730 --> 00:52:59,430
really painted the real picture of
family life with Jesse, where she
730
00:52:59,430 --> 00:53:03,330
abuse that she suffered and the constant
threats of him leaving her and the
731
00:53:03,330 --> 00:53:04,330
family.
732
00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:09,990
I think the nail in the coffin for Jesse
was when police were able to track the
733
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:15,170
murder weapon back to a military surplus
store that Jesse had actually bought it
734
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:16,610
from a few weeks prior.
735
00:53:16,830 --> 00:53:18,830
They were even able to find the receipt.
736
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:24,200
So there's no way that Jesse can deny
that that knife was attached to him and
737
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,200
not some random killer.
738
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,220
Police charged 34 -year -old Jesse
Anderson with first -degree murder.
739
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:37,780
The public was furious, and
understandably so. He's trying to frame
740
00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:40,260
people for something that he did.
741
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:45,080
I think what Jesse Anderson did is one
of the more evil things that you could
742
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,078
do.
743
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,380
Things like that is what got Emmett Till
killed. It's an easy lie with very
744
00:53:50,380 --> 00:53:51,380
severe consequences.
745
00:53:52,500 --> 00:53:58,960
In August 1992, Anderson is convicted
and sentenced to life without parole for
746
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,960
60 years.
747
00:54:00,100 --> 00:54:04,800
We, the jury, find the defendant, Jesse
Anderson, guilty of first... Anderson
748
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,260
is sent to the Columbia Correctional
Institution.
749
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,880
He finds himself at the same prison
where Christopher Scarver is and Jeffrey
750
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:16,880
Dahmer is as well.
751
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,900
And Jesse didn't know it at the time,
but eventually he will be linked to one
752
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:24,440
the most notorious serial killers of all
time.
753
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:35,640
For the past two years, convicted
murderer Christopher Scarver has been
754
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,480
watching his fellow inmate Jeffrey
Dahmer from across the prison.
755
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:45,440
Scarver becomes so obsessed with Jeffrey
Dahmer because it gives him that sense
756
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,420
of direction, something to focus on in
prison, which to the idle mind of your
757
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:52,520
average prisoner is more important than
oxygen.
758
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,680
It keeps the social mind engaged. It
keeps them feeling like there's a
759
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,760
to their life. Rather than them just
being this husk rotting away in prison,
760
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:03,880
I have a sense of direction.
761
00:55:04,970 --> 00:55:09,390
Many believe Scarver's untreated mental
health issues are putting him in a
762
00:55:09,390 --> 00:55:10,390
precarious position.
763
00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:16,770
Grandiose delusions are relatively
common within psychotic disorders.
764
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:23,090
If you believe that you are special, it
gives your sense of self a higher
765
00:55:23,090 --> 00:55:27,950
purpose. This may domer a prime target
to Scarver.
766
00:55:29,690 --> 00:55:32,150
On November 28, 1994.
767
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,320
Christopher Scarver decides it's time to
act.
768
00:55:37,380 --> 00:55:42,900
Christopher Scarver was serving a life
sentence for murdering a boss.
769
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,120
There was a job promised to him that he
didn't get. While Jeffrey Dahmer
770
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:49,940
couldn't have cared less about anybody,
Christopher Scarver had already created
771
00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:55,460
this, you know, holy cold war in his
mind of good versus evil, and I'm going
772
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:57,720
smite this evil person, Jeffrey Dahmer.
773
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:05,460
That morning, prison officials pair
Scarver up on a work detail with Jeffrey
774
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:08,420
Dahmer and convicted wife killer Jesse
Anderson.
775
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,900
They are tasked with cleaning up the
gym's locker room, and as fate would
776
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:21,300
it on this day, somehow Jesse, Jeffrey,
and Christopher
777
00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:22,680
are left alone.
778
00:56:25,540 --> 00:56:29,060
According to Chris, after the guard
steps away, he's...
779
00:56:29,260 --> 00:56:33,820
filling up the mop bucket with water.
And while his back is turned to the two
780
00:56:33,820 --> 00:56:38,340
men, he feels a poke in his back. When
he turns around, he sees Jeffrey and
781
00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:42,020
Jesse. And he said that they had a
little bit of a smirk. They were kind of
782
00:56:42,020 --> 00:56:46,140
giggling under their breath. So he
didn't really know which one of them
783
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:47,140
poked him.
784
00:56:48,730 --> 00:56:53,050
It infuriated Scarver, and he made a
decision right then and there that this
785
00:56:53,050 --> 00:56:56,710
the moment that he was going to take his
vengeance upon Jeffrey Dahmer for the
786
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:58,550
actions that he had caused in Wisconsin.
787
00:57:04,210 --> 00:57:06,690
The men split up for their cleaning
duties.
788
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:13,230
That's when Scarver makes his move.
789
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,840
He picks up a 20 -inch metal exercise
bar and closes in.
790
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:28,440
Scarver decides to follow Jeffrey to the
staff locker room, and when he gets in
791
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:33,600
there, he said he asked Jeffrey if he
really did the things that the media
792
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:34,600
that he did.
793
00:57:35,580 --> 00:57:40,140
Dahmer started to realize that he was in
some sort of imminent danger, and he
794
00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:43,240
tried to evade Christopher Scarver.
795
00:57:45,060 --> 00:57:46,240
Christopher locked him.
796
00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:49,500
And that's when he started to hit him in
the head several times.
797
00:57:55,640 --> 00:58:00,940
After viciously attacking Jeffrey,
Christopher's not done.
798
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:06,340
And decides to walk over to the inmate
locker room and attack Jesse.
799
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,860
And Christopher does exactly what he did
to Jeffrey to Jesse.
800
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:26,150
Shortly after, the absent prison guard
returns.
801
00:58:26,970 --> 00:58:31,590
The guard finds both men suffering
severely from their injury.
802
00:58:32,810 --> 00:58:37,610
He calls for help, and the gravely
injured prisoners are rushed to the
803
00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:42,770
I was in the office at the newspaper.
804
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:47,230
I heard the scanner go off calling for
an ambulance out of the prison. I was
805
00:58:47,230 --> 00:58:48,730
just thinking, you know, it was just...
806
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,340
Probably a couple inmates got into a
fight, but probably something I should
807
00:58:53,340 --> 00:58:59,560
check out. Just as I got there, I saw
two ambulances pull out.
808
00:59:00,860 --> 00:59:05,660
The reporter goes with his gut and
decides to follow the ambulances to the
809
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:06,660
hospital.
810
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:14,120
So I get to the hospital, and I see Jim
Smith, the sheriff.
811
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,840
He was like, I don't think one of these
guys is going to make it.
812
00:59:19,210 --> 00:59:24,550
And one of them is the most infamous
inmate in the prison.
813
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:30,830
That's when it really hit me. Oh, my
God, it's Jeffrey Dahmer.
814
00:59:35,550 --> 00:59:39,110
Dahmer has multiple skull fractures and
brain trauma.
815
00:59:40,450 --> 00:59:42,710
He died an hour later.
816
00:59:45,890 --> 00:59:48,130
There were so many ironies in all of
this.
817
00:59:48,670 --> 00:59:50,990
for the way in which his first victim
had died in Ohio.
818
00:59:55,950 --> 00:59:58,070
The year is 1978.
819
00:59:59,210 --> 01:00:04,750
A then 18 -year -old Dahmer picks up
hitchhiker Stephen Hicks and invites him
820
01:00:04,750 --> 01:00:07,790
back to his house to drink beer and
smoke some weed.
821
01:00:08,730 --> 01:00:13,590
But the evening takes a turn when
Jeffrey begins making sexual advances.
822
01:00:14,700 --> 01:00:18,460
When Stephen realized that Jeffrey was
trying to make a move on him and feed
823
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:22,280
alcohol in order to, you know, get into
bed with him, that was not something
824
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,080
that Stephen was willing to do. And
that's when he tried to leave.
825
01:00:25,700 --> 01:00:29,520
And that in turn made Jeffrey angry and
upset because he felt like he was being
826
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:30,520
rejected.
827
01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:35,940
Dahmer snapped and bashes Hicks in the
head with a dumbbell.
828
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:42,720
16 years later.
829
01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:47,570
Thelmer is killed nearly the same way,
as is Jesse Anderson.
830
01:00:48,410 --> 01:00:51,330
The news spreads like wildfire.
831
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:57,490
Possibly the most notorious serial
killer in American history met his own
832
01:00:57,490 --> 01:00:58,490
end today.
833
01:00:58,730 --> 01:01:00,890
Everybody on the outside world was
shocked.
834
01:01:01,110 --> 01:01:03,070
Needless to say, most people were happy.
835
01:01:04,310 --> 01:01:11,190
I knew that it was just a matter of time
that he would get his
836
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:12,190
own death sentence.
837
01:01:12,810 --> 01:01:15,650
I know a lot of people rejoiced about
it.
838
01:01:16,070 --> 01:01:21,450
I'm not going to say I was elated, but
there was like a sense of relief, like,
839
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:23,870
okay, it's finally done.
840
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:27,950
I think Scarborough did what needed to
be done.
841
01:01:28,270 --> 01:01:31,030
Maybe Jeffrey Dahmer had a death wish of
his own.
842
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:36,350
I just don't think he thought it would
be as agonizing as it was.
843
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,720
I don't know how you can hear the story
of Christopher Scarborough and not
844
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:46,320
believe in karma. You know, it was this
serendipitous event that put two people
845
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,060
on a collision course, and I'm not mad
at the outcome.
846
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,660
Sometimes, you know, the universe is
always talking.
847
01:01:53,180 --> 01:02:00,100
This person who had caused so much chaos
and confusion in our
848
01:02:00,100 --> 01:02:04,640
city for so long was now no longer
alive.
849
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,420
Was I glad that somebody had killed him?
No.
850
01:02:08,780 --> 01:02:10,260
What would I get out of that?
851
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,420
Didn't bring any of those 19 men back
that he killed.
852
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:18,240
Him being dead wasn't the answer to the
problem.
853
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:25,080
I was at the grocery store with my wife,
and I got in the car, turned the radio
854
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:30,460
on, and they announced that Jeffrey
Dahmer had been killed.
855
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,040
I couldn't hardly believe it.
856
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,920
But Pastor Ratcliffe isn't just
surprised.
857
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,480
He's angry.
858
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,880
After the attempt on Dahmer's life by
Osvaldo Durruti four months earlier,
859
01:02:46,100 --> 01:02:49,140
prison officials promised to increase
security.
860
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,420
After the July attack, the chaplain...
861
01:02:54,910 --> 01:02:58,670
took me aside and said, we're very
embarrassed about what happened, and
862
01:02:58,670 --> 01:03:01,350
going to go to great lengths to make
sure Jeff is always protected.
863
01:03:01,590 --> 01:03:04,570
So when this murder occurs, I feel
betrayed.
864
01:03:07,290 --> 01:03:09,850
Many raise questions about the attack.
865
01:03:10,090 --> 01:03:14,470
How could something like this happen in
a maximum security prison?
866
01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:21,180
It's very Epsteinian in the way that it
went down. It's very sketchy. Somebody
867
01:03:21,180 --> 01:03:25,840
that high profile dies in your jail.
There needs to be an explanation as to
868
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:26,840
something like that can happen.
869
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,960
I thought right away that it was a setup
because there's no way that you can be
870
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,120
in a maximum security prison and the
guards aren't with you.
871
01:03:37,500 --> 01:03:40,660
Jeffrey Dahmer was the most hated man in
Wisconsin.
872
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:46,480
And you had correctional officers that
were from Milwaukee.
873
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:53,580
So for them to arrange for Christopher
Scarver to be alone
874
01:03:53,580 --> 01:03:58,480
with Jeffrey Dahmer, knowing what the
outcome would be,
875
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:05,400
I think that they didn't have a problem
putting two and two together and coming
876
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:08,060
up what we know now as it happened.
877
01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:15,310
And the investigation into Dahmer's
murder will only raise more questions.
878
01:04:22,350 --> 01:04:27,590
Even after Jeffrey Dahmer is murdered in
prison, he continues making headlines
879
01:04:27,590 --> 01:04:31,310
when his parents publicly fight over his
cremated ashes.
880
01:04:33,550 --> 01:04:37,850
At the time that I met Jeff, his mother
and father were divorced.
881
01:04:39,180 --> 01:04:43,280
Lionel was remarried to someone else,
and there was a great bitterness between
882
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,900
the two of them, which I didn't realize
until after Jeff was murdered that they
883
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:51,000
would fight over how many ashes each one
got.
884
01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:55,200
Dahmer's parents even fight over their
son's brain.
885
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:02,320
That was a big issue because in Lionel's
book, he implied that she was taking
886
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,020
medication while she was pregnant with
Jeff. He thought that affected Jeff's
887
01:05:06,020 --> 01:05:10,240
brain. that made him into the killer
that he was. She was rejecting that.
888
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:14,600
So much bitterness between the husband
and wife.
889
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:22,300
But Dahmer's parents aren't the only
ones stirring up controversy.
890
01:05:23,020 --> 01:05:28,000
Their son's murder while in maximum
security raises myriad unanswered
891
01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:33,910
We're not just talking about any regular
old inmate, right? We're talking about
892
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:38,470
Jeffrey Dahmer. So the fact that he was
murdered in prison when he was supposed
893
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:42,970
to be under supervision, the conspiracy
theories started popping up left and
894
01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:43,970
right.
895
01:05:44,070 --> 01:05:48,970
There are some people who believe that
the guards were sick of Jeffrey Dahmer
896
01:05:48,970 --> 01:05:53,110
themselves and walked away just to see
what might happen.
897
01:05:54,070 --> 01:05:58,350
There are other theories that maybe
there was money that was paid to make
898
01:05:58,350 --> 01:06:02,920
guards. happen to step away to the
bathroom for an extended amount of time.
899
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:09,860
Leaving inmates unsupervised is a no
-no. That's why they hire correction
900
01:06:09,860 --> 01:06:12,480
officers, so inmates are always
supervised.
901
01:06:13,060 --> 01:06:19,240
Even if they're used in the bathroom,
even if they're in the shower, they're
902
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:20,240
supposed to be alone.
903
01:06:23,700 --> 01:06:28,120
Authorities charge Christopher Scarver
with two counts of first -degree murder
904
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,640
for killing Dahmer and Jesse Anderson.
905
01:06:31,580 --> 01:06:36,340
But at his arraignment, Scarver provides
few clues to his motives.
906
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:55,690
Strange, unexpected response.
907
01:06:58,130 --> 01:07:02,830
Vernell Bass, who once lived next door
to Jeffrey Dahmer, also served time with
908
01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:06,550
Christopher Scarver and remembers his
unusual behavior.
909
01:07:07,650 --> 01:07:13,070
I did meet him while I was in prison,
and he was someone to be avoided.
910
01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:16,830
It was as if though the lights were on,
but no one was home.
911
01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:22,710
He don't make his bed up, don't wash his
face, don't brush his teeth, none of
912
01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:23,710
that.
913
01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:28,310
That's a sign of someone whose mind is
not correct.
914
01:07:30,470 --> 01:07:36,110
Christopher Scarborough, in my opinion,
needed to be somewhere where he could
915
01:07:36,110 --> 01:07:38,870
get help for the criminally insane.
916
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:50,140
In an attempt to put the conspiracy
rumors to rest, the Wisconsin Department
917
01:07:50,140 --> 01:07:53,500
Corrections appoints a panel to
investigate Dahmer's murder.
918
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:59,200
One member of that panel is Dahmer's
former attorney, Gerald Boyle.
919
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:06,340
I was obviously honored and delighted to
get the call because I thought maybe I
920
01:08:06,340 --> 01:08:07,340
could be of some help.
921
01:08:08,740 --> 01:08:12,680
Several members of the panel decide to
personally interview Scarver.
922
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,359
who was being housed in conditions
straight out of a horror movie.
923
01:08:18,020 --> 01:08:24,220
We go over to the prison, and we're in a
room, like in the movie science, the
924
01:08:24,220 --> 01:08:25,220
lamb.
925
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,260
He's in this cage.
926
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,720
We're all around the cage. We're in a
cage, too.
927
01:08:32,380 --> 01:08:38,939
So it's like a cage within a cage, and
we sit there, and suddenly the gate
928
01:08:38,939 --> 01:08:41,220
up, and Scarlett gets in.
929
01:08:43,979 --> 01:08:50,960
I said, Mr. Scarver, there are many
people who are saying and thinking that
930
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:56,000
doing what you did to Jeffrey Dahmer was
racially motivated.
931
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,779
Scarver told me the following.
932
01:09:00,939 --> 01:09:03,620
I didn't kill him because he was white.
933
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:10,140
I killed him because I did not feel that
he had the right to be called a
934
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:11,140
murderer.
935
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,540
I mean, if that isn't crazy in and of
itself.
936
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:21,640
The panel ultimately concludes there was
no conspiracy to kill Jeffrey Dahmer.
937
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:27,700
One guard had stepped away to make a
personal phone call, while another had
938
01:09:27,700 --> 01:09:28,700
to the kitchen.
939
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:35,000
When the investigation was concluded,
they decided that Christopher did indeed
940
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000
act alone and that the guards, yes, they
were negligent, but there was no...
941
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,040
premeditation behind what happened.
942
01:09:44,380 --> 01:09:47,779
The guard that was on duty at the time
was suspended for a few months.
943
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:51,520
Everybody was like slapped on the wrist.
And then the world went back to how it
944
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,060
was because you can't fire somebody for
Jeffrey Dahmer dying.
945
01:09:58,940 --> 01:10:04,580
At his trial, Christopher Scarver once
again pleads insanity, claiming he was
946
01:10:04,580 --> 01:10:06,920
told by God to kill Dahmer and Anderson.
947
01:10:07,790 --> 01:10:11,150
And once again, a jury deems him
competent.
948
01:10:13,630 --> 01:10:17,850
Eventually, he played no contest, and he
was found guilty of both charges and
949
01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:20,150
sentenced to life in prison without
parole.
950
01:10:21,510 --> 01:10:26,670
He was sent to solitary confinement, and
he spent over 10 years in solitary
951
01:10:26,670 --> 01:10:31,710
confinement. He was hopped around to
different institutions for a while
952
01:10:31,710 --> 01:10:34,070
basically no one wanted to deal with
him.
953
01:10:34,490 --> 01:10:37,810
Their main excuse was we don't have the
resources to house someone like this,
954
01:10:37,890 --> 01:10:41,330
but in actuality, I really think they
just didn't want the headache.
955
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:48,450
While authorities try hiding Scarver
away, they can't stop him from talking.
956
01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:54,410
And decades after killing America's
biggest boogeyman, he's now ready to
957
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:57,630
why he did it and how he pulled it off.
958
01:11:03,699 --> 01:11:10,280
In 2015, more than 20 years after he
murdered Dahmer, Christopher Scarver
959
01:11:10,280 --> 01:11:16,260
an interview to the New York Post and
reignites the debate over the Milwaukee
960
01:11:16,260 --> 01:11:17,340
cannibal's death.
961
01:11:18,460 --> 01:11:23,680
Christopher Scarver insinuated that the
guard left him alone on purpose so that
962
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,380
he would kill Jeffrey Dahmer.
963
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:31,420
The way he's saying it is, did the guard
tell him to do it and kind of turn a
964
01:11:31,420 --> 01:11:32,420
blind eye?
965
01:11:32,940 --> 01:11:35,300
But Scarver's admissions don't end
there.
966
01:11:35,620 --> 01:11:40,380
In the interview, he also provides a new
motive for why he killed Dahmer.
967
01:11:41,220 --> 01:11:46,380
He claims Dahmer taunted inmates in the
meth hall by playing with his food.
968
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:52,560
He would shape his food into body parts
and then use ketchup to act like they
969
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:56,540
had been dismembered or to imitate a
death.
970
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,680
Almost like thumbing his nose at people.
971
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,020
As like, yeah, I am the guy that eats
people.
972
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:08,180
Is this what pushed Christopher Scarver
over the edge?
973
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:10,900
Some have doubt.
974
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:17,580
I just don't believe it. Because that
certainly wasn't the Dahmer I knew.
975
01:12:17,580 --> 01:12:22,140
he changed the way he was, but I just
don't remember ever acting like that.
976
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:28,660
I got the impression that he thought he
got along well with everyone. When I'd
977
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:32,100
ask him that, he said, oh, I get along
fine. I don't have a problem with
978
01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:33,100
anybody.
979
01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:37,840
Why then did Scarver kill Jeffrey
Dahmer?
980
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:43,800
Despite his claims that race was not a
factor, some don't believe it.
981
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:50,480
I can't really think of another reason.
Jeffrey targeted men of color.
982
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:56,080
That he killed and Jesse Anderson tried
to blame two men of color for something
983
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,780
that he did that was awful.
984
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,880
That was what connected the two of them.
985
01:13:02,780 --> 01:13:05,460
Still, others posit a different
motivation.
986
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:12,640
I think the main reason Scarver killed
Jeffrey Dahmer was pretty much due to
987
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:18,760
mental illness. It was a schizophrenic
reaction to voices in your head.
988
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,820
that are telling you that you have a
higher purpose, that you have a calling,
989
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:27,460
that if you take this guy out, somehow
you will be saved, somehow you will be
990
01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:28,460
better.
991
01:13:29,620 --> 01:13:35,920
Our concept of mental illness and its
impact in 1994 was not what it is now.
992
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:40,460
Scarver was likely very undertreated for
his mental illness.
993
01:13:40,860 --> 01:13:45,460
Had he been properly medicated, getting
the right kind of therapy and the right
994
01:13:45,460 --> 01:13:48,120
kind of support, this may never have
even took place.
995
01:13:51,790 --> 01:13:56,750
Whatever Scarver's motive, there's no
denying some view him as a hero.
996
01:13:58,150 --> 01:14:03,290
He did bring karma down on Dahmer, but
how can we call him a hero if we got to
997
01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:04,750
look at his crime too?
998
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:12,750
There's like this corner of the internet
now that is honestly creating some type
999
01:14:12,750 --> 01:14:15,830
of fan club for Chris. Like they're
giving him this new...
1000
01:14:16,570 --> 01:14:20,470
new level of fame that he never really
had when the murders first happened
1001
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:22,110
almost 30 years ago.
1002
01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:30,690
The public perception of Scarver was
that he was the good guy here, that he
1003
01:14:30,690 --> 01:14:33,030
saved the taxpayers a lot of money.
1004
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:37,370
But was justice served?
1005
01:14:38,530 --> 01:14:40,210
I think because...
1006
01:14:40,730 --> 01:14:45,010
Jeffrey was a white man who killed men
of color. And the fact that he was
1007
01:14:45,010 --> 01:14:49,030
by another man of color, I think it's
kind of like a sense of justice. It's
1008
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:52,530
a good thing, but I feel like people are
finding joy in that.
1009
01:14:54,370 --> 01:14:57,670
Some people just feel that vengeance is
justice.
1010
01:14:57,910 --> 01:15:00,350
Personally, I can't find a justification
for that.
1011
01:15:01,310 --> 01:15:07,950
It made me sad because somewhere,
someone
1012
01:15:07,950 --> 01:15:09,710
loved that man.
1013
01:15:10,670 --> 01:15:16,970
And that person right now, finding out
that their loved one had been killed in
1014
01:15:16,970 --> 01:15:23,010
prison, they are suffering the same as
1015
01:15:23,010 --> 01:15:26,270
his victim's families suffered.
1016
01:15:29,170 --> 01:15:31,610
It wasn't Mr.
1017
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:36,050
Scarborough's responsibility to end his
life.
1018
01:15:37,290 --> 01:15:42,230
Nor was it Jeffrey's responsibility to
end those 19 lives that he did.
1019
01:15:42,530 --> 01:15:47,090
But as my grandmother used to say, two
wrongs don't make a right.
1020
01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:52,970
Christopher Scarborough kind of
represents the taking care of the thing
1021
01:15:52,970 --> 01:15:56,450
nobody could do, stepping up and
vanquishing evil.
1022
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,820
He has no remorse for what he's done to
Dahmer. He feels Dahmer deserved it, and
1023
01:16:09,820 --> 01:16:11,300
I agree with him.
1024
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:20,760
I believe that the good Lord knows all
his transgressions, and he's finally
1025
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,580
facing some sort of justice.
1026
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,120
That's how I feel.
1027
01:16:26,380 --> 01:16:30,440
God says, I want you to forgive as I
forgive, but we don't want to do that.
1028
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:33,140
want to do the justice part because
that's more fun for us.
1029
01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:33,070
You look out throughout time and
culture, we've always had some villain
1030
01:18:33,070 --> 01:18:38,830
shocks and captivates our attention,
whether it's Jack the Ripper or Richard
1031
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:40,350
Ramirez or Jeffrey Dahmer.
1032
01:18:40,690 --> 01:18:46,430
Society has always and will always have
that boogeyman that they are attracted
1033
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:48,750
to and repulsed by simultaneously.
1034
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:55,550
I think the next generation is more
interested in what happened with Jeffrey
1035
01:18:55,550 --> 01:18:56,590
because...
1036
01:18:57,650 --> 01:19:02,290
Honestly, it's the shock value, right? A
lot of people are interested in the
1037
01:19:02,290 --> 01:19:04,990
worst parts of being a human being.
1038
01:19:05,350 --> 01:19:09,050
And Jeffrey is one of the worst
depictions that we've ever seen.
1039
01:19:10,750 --> 01:19:14,690
Jeffrey Dahmer thought, I'll kill
someone and I'll feel better.
1040
01:19:15,370 --> 01:19:17,750
I'll dismember them and I'll feel
better.
1041
01:19:18,010 --> 01:19:22,450
Then he thought that didn't work, so he
would have sex with the corpse.
1042
01:19:22,690 --> 01:19:26,390
It just kept getting worse and worse and
worse.
1043
01:19:29,290 --> 01:19:32,750
I don't think there's any more of a
headline grabber than cannibal.
1044
01:19:33,210 --> 01:19:35,690
You know, it just puts you in a
different category.
1045
01:19:35,970 --> 01:19:38,930
And that became part of Jeffrey Dahmer's
story.
1046
01:19:39,190 --> 01:19:41,930
I think it made him immortally infamous.
1047
01:19:43,490 --> 01:19:50,430
Some people live good lives and become
successful and raise
1048
01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:57,290
families and other people become Jeff
Dahmer and go down a
1049
01:19:57,290 --> 01:19:58,470
road of no return.
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