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Previously on The Hack...
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So, Nick Davies and The Guardian
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are losing the exclusive,
but winning the war.
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Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian
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have been in touch with us
at Panorama.
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It's the hacking stuff,
but there's also this story
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on Jonathan Rees
that they've been pushing.
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We found invoices on his desk,
Rees to Alex Marunchak,
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at the News of the World
while Andy Coulson was the editor.
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There was a name that appeared
in the top corner of Glenn's notes.
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Ian Edmondson.
Ian Edmondson?
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He reported directly to Coulson.
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Someone I want you to meet.
David Cook. Gordon Brown.
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I'm interested in hearing more
about what's happened to you.
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I, er...
I think I might be able to help.
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'I, er...'
GORDON CLEARS THROAT
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'I hear you're a fan of walking.'
DAVE: 'I am.'
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Do you have a favourite spot?
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Hillwalking on Arran, sir.
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GORDON LAUGHS
You don't need to call me "sir".
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Policeman's habit.
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Well, I like Arran,
particularly, and...
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and this might point to a certain
masochistic quality on my part,
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particularly in the winter time.
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Well, it's the colours -
Arran in the winter.
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Well, we shall have to go.
You can show me the route.
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Oh, you're making me quite homesick.
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Surely, you can get up there
more often now...
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Now that I don't have a job?
No, I didnae mean...
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GORDON LAUGHS
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I should be able to, shouldn't I?
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And yet I keep being dragged
back to London.
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Glen has told me something
about what happened to you -
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your story.
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OK.
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The intrusion, the surveillance,
the meeting with Rebekah Brooks.
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It sounds a merry mess.
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Yeah, well, look,
I made mistakes I shouldn't have.
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Well... Well, we all do.
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We all do.
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My father was a minister,
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as I think you know,
in the Church of Scotland.
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He would...
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He would hear everyone's stories.
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It's a great failing on my part
that I don't have the time
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nor the patience that he does,
so I think it's my responsibility
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to tell you why your cruel
and unusual story mattered to me.
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It's because...
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It's because I think this country
has become polluted,
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and I think that we could all,
should all,
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try to do something about it,
don't you?
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You've read the pieces
in The Guardian, about the hacking.
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Yeah, Nick's a friend of mine.
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Did you read the pieces
in The New York Times, too?
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I did.
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And you know the work that Glen
is doing at Panorama? Yeah.
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Rupert Murdoch is trying
to take control of BSkyB.
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If he does that,
it's a valuable organisation,
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and he will leverage the value of it
to accumulate the debt
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needed to buy
a huge multinational company,
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perhaps Disney or Time Warner.
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He'll have control
of our media landscape
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and a good hold of America.
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He needs to be stopped.
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I agree.
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I will tell you my stories,
and you will tell me yours.
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And then perhaps, David...
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perhaps we can work out
how to help each other.
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What do you say?
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What do you want me to say?
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KEYBOARD KEYS CLICK
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'Ain't That A Kick
In The Head' by Dean Martin
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# How lucky can one guy be?
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# I kissed her, and she kissed me
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# Like the sailor said, quote
"Ain't that a hole in the boat?" #
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Into the shark's cage.
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I don't think they'll be
providing us with cages tonight.
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You're late.
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Who in the hell thought press awards
were a good idea?
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A narcissist, who realised
it's an industry full of narcissists
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who pay to be rewarded
for the narcissism.
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I can't be here.
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Look over there. News of the World.
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You know, they actually have members
of staff under arrest,
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and many more being investigated -
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the brass neck on them
is ridiculous.
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So the least I can attempt
is some neck?
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No. I just want you here.
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You think
we're going to win something.
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You're mad. Everyone here hates us.
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I want you here because I want us
to lose with dignity together.
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I've missed you.
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I feel itchy. I hate this shirt.
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Well, it makes you look
extremely handsome.
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Oh, well...
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Now I have to go and play nice
with some rich board members.
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But please remember, these people,
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they're more frightened of you
than you are of them.
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Oh, there's a difference
between hate and fear.
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# Oh, ain't that a kick?
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# Tell me quick
Ain't love a kick in the head? #
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Ladies and gentlemen,
your attention, please.
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Before our awards
start this evening,
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we have a special update
from journalist Nick Davies.
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On Wednesday the 26th of January,
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News International passed
Scotland Yard three email messages
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which they claimed
to have "only just discovered"
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in Ian Edmondson's computer,
and Ian Edmondson was sacked.
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Once in receipt of these emails,
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Scotland Yard announced
a new inquiry,
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Operation Weeting,
under the command of Sue Akers.
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I dismissed Weeting as a PR move
by the Met
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until, on the 9th of February,
they released a statement.
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The new evidence recently provided
by News International
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is being considered
alongside material
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already in the Metropolitan
Police Service's possession.
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It couldn't be.
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They weren't
finally going to investigate
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the last four years
of their incompetence.
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All actions and decisions
by the previous investigation
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are being reviewed.
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Or were they?
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Were we winning, finally?
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I certainly
didn't feel like a winner.
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..showbusiness, shall we,
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and the award for showbiz reporter
of the year goes to...
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It's Stephen Moyes,
of the News of the World.
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Congratulations, Stephen.
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OK, and the award for news reporter
of the year goes to...
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It's the fake Sheikh,
Mazher Mahmood,
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from the News of the World.
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The Scoop of the Year now.
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The Scoop of the Year is awarded
to the News of the World
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for its excellent coverage
of the cricket corruption scandal.
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And the award goes
to the News of the World.
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To The News of the World!
ECHOING
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OK, the moment
we've all been waiting for.
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It's the big one,
the Newspaper of the Year.
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Now, the Newspaper of the Year
goes to...
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for what the judges say is a paper
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"completely unafraid
to take on the powers that be".
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So, the newspaper
of the year award goes to...
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The Guardian!
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APPLAUSE
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KNOCK ON DOOR
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Jacqui Hames?
Yes.
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Hello, my name is DS Slater,
and this is DC Grossman.
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Is it David?
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David Cook? No.
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No. Well, I suppose, erm,
in a way, yes.
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We are here investigating.
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We're part of a new operation -
Operation Weeting.
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We're investigating allegations
of phone hacking.
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Do you work for John Yates?
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No, we're part
of the Special Crime Directorate,
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under the command of
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Akers.
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Great. Thank you.
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You were found in the notebooks
of Glenn Mulcaire.
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This doesn't surprise me.
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We'd like you to take a look
at these details.
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Is this your police payroll
and warrant numbers?
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Yes.
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How did he have these? That...
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That's where I lived in 1977.
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Is this where you worked in 2002?
Yes.
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And this phone number, this is...?
Yeah.
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This is correct, yeah.
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There's information here
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that could only have come
from my police personnel file.
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Yeah, we... That's what we think.
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Someone within the Met
sold him my information,
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David's information?
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It's, erm...
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It's possible.
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When was this known?
I'm sorry?
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When did the Metropolitan Police
have this information?
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A notebook was taken
from Mulcaire in 2006.
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2006?
Yeah.
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And the Met chose
neither to inform me
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nor investigate
this "possible" corruption.
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Well, that's...
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..that's what
we're trying to do now, ma'am.
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Glen Campbell.
Nick Davies.
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Hi.
Honour and a privilege.
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I hear that you're not well liked
at Panorama.
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I hear you're adored
at The Guardian.
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So, who do you usually meet here?
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This where you meet criminals
or politicians?
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I float between cafes and pubs,
like a butterfly at a festival.
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I liked the Panorama
on Alex Marunchak.
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It wasn't one of mine.
You helped, a lot. It was good.
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You've got some particularly
great hits in on Jonathan Rees.
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I really liked your piece
on him too.
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Mr A. Very good.
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Are you writing more?
No.
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I'm... Didn't Dave say? I'm out.
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Coulson's gone.
This is as far as I can go.
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Don't look like that.
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An engineered death, but something.
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I wanted people
to take it seriously.
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They didn't.
So I'm handing everything on.
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I'm trying to persuade Alan
to give me Belgium.
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They gave you Newspaper of the Year.
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That was for The Guardian, not me.
I lost my category.
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You're getting somewhere, Nick.
I got somewhere.
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Look, I know
what this must have cost you.
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Cost me isn't the half of it.
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But no-one... no-one cared.
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The whole industry turned away
like a complicit snake.
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What if I said I came
to see you today with an agenda?
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I'm friends
with Clare Rewcastle Brown,
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the journalist and sister-in-law
of Gordon Brown.
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He's leaning in.
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I took Dave to see him,
and he now wants to meet you.
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Gordon Brown?
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Gordon's been looking at your work,
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and he thinks there's a way
to use it to go further.
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Come on, Nick.
What's meeting him gonna cost you?
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Well, it's...
it's wonderful to have you all here.
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Thank you, Clare and Glen,
for organising it.
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You know, I have such respect for
the work of everyone in this room.
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And I used to be Prime Minister.
There, does that start us off?
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Yes.
THEY LAUGH
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Just about.
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The Murdoch BSkyB bid
would be a disaster for our country.
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This hacking investigation
needs better scrutiny
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than people have chosen to give it.
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If people understood,
properly understood the hacking,
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what was happening with hacking,
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it may mean
they rethink the BSkyB bid.
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We have a shared objective.
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How we achieve that objective is...
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well, I increasingly believe,
as does Clare
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and Tom,
would be best achieved together.
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And perhaps
everyone would like some tea?
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And perhaps everyone
would like some tea.
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Just sit, sit. I'll pour.
No, I'll pour.
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Right. Who would like to begin?
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Well, maybe I should speak first.
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I was recently interrupted
in an investigation room
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and shown details of my case
and Operation Weeting that were...
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Well, the level of intrusion
was troubling.
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It's just possible
that Operation Weeting
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is the first Met op
to be run properly.
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Well, the secret is,
John Yates isn't running it.
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Good. Good.
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So, how do we help them?
Where will they struggle?
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Well, we have to get them
to include Jonathan Rees.
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It makes no sense
to tackle Mulcaire and not Rees.
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I've got invoices to show
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that they were both
up to exactly the same activities.
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Prepare me a file,
and I'll send it to Sue Akers.
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Is it that simple?
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Well, I have access to Sue
through the Select Committee.
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I can't promise results,
but it's a start, no?
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Well, Sue and I were DS's
at the same time.
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I've already asked her to expand
the investigation, but...
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It'll mean more coming
from a Parliamentary perspective.
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Good. What else?
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You seem to all be
constantly looking at me surprised.
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Correct me if I'm wrong,
but the problem we have
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is that the police,
politicians and press
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are all collaborating
under Murdoch's aegis.
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We are also made up of police,
politicians and press -
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an unofficial opposition,
if you like.
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So let's talk.
What do we need to do?
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Are you...?
Are you having a nice time?
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Er, I'm fine.
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You know, you're a remarkable
campaigner, Nick.
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Did you ever consider
full-time politics?
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Erm...
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Well, I don't know. I don't know...
Why would you say that?
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Perhaps a bit too suspicious
of other people to be a politician.
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Something I struggle
with myself sometimes.
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And I believe it
because I've seen it, on this case.
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You're not sure
whether I mean this, are you?
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Sorry?
You don't trust me.
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Think this is a ball that I've
picked up that I will quickly drop.
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You're saying
you won't drop the ball?
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You know, they...
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They came at me in every way,
as you might expect.
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They blagged my lawyer.
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They procured
my family's medical information.
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And they, erm...
HE LAUGHS
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This is quite something -
they impersonated me
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to get into
my building society account.
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That's a lot.
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I tried to hold a judicial inquiry
into phone hacking in,
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let's see now, autumn 2009,
after I read a piece of yours.
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That was my first article.
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The civil service resisted it,
I think is the kind term.
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"It did not meet the tests
of public concern."
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You know, everyone...
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everyone thinks
they're close to Rupert.
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He's very adept at that.
He talks quietly, you know all this.
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He rarely disagrees,
he asks questions,
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and he makes everyone
feel interesting.
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It fascinates me
how the powerful let him in.
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I wasn't as good at it,
at that game, as Tony.
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When he came for me, and he did,
I was unprepared,
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whether it was how I bowed my head
at the cenotaph
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or how I wrote to the grieving
mothers of dead soldiers.
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Yes, I remember.
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You know, I rang Rupert
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to tell him that his papers
were damaging morale in Afghanistan.
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As Prime Minister,
I was asking people to fight,
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to risk, and he was telling them,
article after article,
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that I was casual with their lives,
with soldiers' life,
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that I didn't care,
to undermine that,
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to make those young people feel...
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..undervalued by their government.
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It's just not right.
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Sometimes, you can tell
that you're the son of a preacher.
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THEY LAUGH
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You know he wants everything.
His ambition is limitless.
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But he's overstepped here,
and badly.
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We can, and we should, do
something important to counter him.
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But this started with you,
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and it's going to need to end
with you.
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All of which is to say...
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..we need you, Nick.
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Dave? Dave?
Yes, sir.
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How's life at SOCA?
We're getting somewhere.
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Did I hear you've been giving orders
to GCHQ?
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That must be fun.
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It's a bit more complicated
than that.
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What can I do for you, John?
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Would you mind popping in at mine
for a minute?
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Sure.
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Internal Investigations caught
an email coming from your computer
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to Mike Sullivan at The Sun.
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Which email?
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So, why is this a problem?
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I said you'd rather be told it
by me...
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He was useful on Morgan.
He's still useful now.
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You've got a good relationship
with him yourself, haven't you?
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I also have one or two questions
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about the Panorama programme
that went out. Yeah.
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I believe you're friends
with Glen Campbell at Panorama.
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I have been.
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Do you think you could ask him
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how he got footage of Jonathan Rees
at his computer?
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Well, he's quite protective
of his sources.
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Rees is convinced, as am I,
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that the footage could only
have come from inside the Met.
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He's threatening to take action,
again.
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Did it? Come from inside the Met?
348
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Is that a further press relation...?
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The request to pass information
to Mike Sullivan came from you.
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I mean, he's your mate.
351
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But there are rules, Dave,
and you know that.
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I do.
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And how's Operation Weeting
treating you, Mr Rules?
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Give Panorama, Mike Sullivan,
Nick Davies, or anyone fucking else,
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anything about our cases, and
you'll be strung up for all to see.
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Do you hear me?
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Yeah, I hear you.
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I've got permission to talk about it
with you and you alone.
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I am privileged.
360
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That means private meetings,
you and I, outside of editorial.
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Of course.
When have we not had those?
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Welcome back.
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Alan, our Scottish friend,
you know him better than I do.
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We can trust him, right?
I want to say two things.
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One, you're a journalist,
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and I am scared that getting
into bed with certain politicians,
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well, we'll lose
our vital independence.
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You do it all the time.
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I share my bed
with all political parties,
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and I hope I'm pretty fair
at sharing the covers.
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Nick, we've just removed
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a senior member
of Conservative staff,
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and I don't want that dismissed
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as coming from the newspaper arm
of the Labour group.
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Yeah, understood.
But I asked about Gordon.
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And that's the second thing.
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You don't go into a room
with Gordon Brown
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and get what you want.
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You go into a room
and get what he wants.
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He's ferociously intelligent
and very used to power.
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But if your interests align,
as I think they do here...
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..he can be a remarkable ally.
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One last push, is it?
And then I want Brussels.
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And then you want
your well-paid chocolate dream.
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Of course. Good.
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00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,960
But please, Nick, take it slow.
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To work - what have you got?
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The flood of cases
is overwhelming the courts,
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so they've appointed
a Hacking Judge.
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He's already causing trouble.
At the Andy Gray trial,
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he said it's clear Mulcaire
had been regularly hacking him.
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So that's an invitation.
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Any man, woman or creature
who has anything in those books
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has been given licence to sue.
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And you'll write it up?
Yeah.
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Why do you think they gave us this?
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Oh, for good journalism.
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00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,960
None of them support the story,
our story.
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Guilt, the world's
most powerful motive.
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00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,000
I love you, darling.
Yeah, love you too.
401
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,960
Dinner's in an hour.
OK.
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00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,320
It's mac and cheese.
403
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,960
She's not been sleeping very well.
404
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,960
I've been making her leave her phone
downstairs most nights.
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00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,960
I'm not sure
you'll get away with that.
406
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960
I'll do my best.
Also, erm...
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I've been contacted
by Operation Weeting.
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00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,960
Oh, have you?
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00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:20,960
You knew, then?
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00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,960
The things they had on me.
I know. I'm sorry.
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I should have warned you.
Yeah.
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Yates came after me today.
And?
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Didn't land a punch.
Good.
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They're keeping me at arm's length,
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00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,960
but they did tell me
a few pieces of useful information.
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You remember that time Surrey Police
got a call fishing for my details?
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00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,480
Mm-hm.
Well, Weeting told me that
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it was probably Mulcaire
who made that call.
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Jesus Christ.
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00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,960
I don't think anyone's understood
the depth of criminality here.
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Destabilising police investigations,
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00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,960
I mean, we're talking
about a murder charge being...
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Yeah. Look who I'm telling, right?
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00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,960
Please don't laugh at me about this.
I'm not.
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I'm not.
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00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,960
You know, right at the beginning of
this, I went to see Rebekah Brooks.
427
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And I said,
"What you're doing is outrageous."
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And you know what she said?
429
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She said, "We believed that you
and Jacqui were having an affair,
430
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"and as you're both public figures,
public interest was on our side."
431
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960
They thought
we were having an affair
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when we were already married?
Ridiculous.
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00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,960
Absurd.
Cruel, I think, is a better word.
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00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,960
Yeah.
435
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,960
I have a source in the police
who's been quite openly victimised.
436
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,960
Might stop
the whining celebrity angle.
437
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,960
What whining celebrity angle?
438
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People dismissing it
439
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because they think
it's just celebrities whining.
440
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Get him on the record.
441
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,960
It's just, he's been badly damaged
by all this already...
442
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,960
You're Nick Davies?
443
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Only on weekdays.
Have we met? How can I help?
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By telling me what the fuck
445
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,640
you think you're doing
stealing my story?
446
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,960
Can we use your office?
447
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,960
Which story have I stolen?
Apparently, you're Mr Hacking.
448
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,160
Every hacking story
carries your byline.
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00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,960
It doesn't.
450
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Today, in the paper, published.
451
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You didn't write one word of it.
No.
452
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,960
Well, aren't you going to apologise?
No.
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SHE SCOFFS
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You know,
The Guardian gives out all this shit
455
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,960
about what kind of world
that it wants, and yet...
456
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,960
This is well written.
Fuck off.
457
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,960
I didn't ask for a credit on it.
Whoever said I did was wrong.
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00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,960
Right, then, who do we see next?
459
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,960
Alan?
It's bold, don't you think?
460
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,960
Writing a story about the hacking
scandal without consulting someone
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00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,960
who's spent the last three years
having his life destroyed by it?
462
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,960
Is this what works for you?
463
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,960
When you're attacked,
you just attack back?
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00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,640
No. Sometimes.
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00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,960
Maybe.
You could have something there.
466
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,960
This is about Operation Weeting.
It's a totally different thing.
467
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,960
How come I haven't seen you
round the offices before?
468
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,480
I work alone. My own hours.
469
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,960
They're supportive of it.
And what have you got on Weeting?
470
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,000
A contact of mine in the force
has been put on it.
471
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,960
He's feeding me.
Tell me everything.
472
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,800
No.
HE LAUGHS
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00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,960
He says it's timid.
He's eager for more action.
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00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,960
What's he giving you?
Each arrest as it happens.
475
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,160
Neville Thurlbeck is going to be
at Kingston Police Station
476
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,960
between nine and ten, so I'm there
conveniently for the arrest.
477
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,960
Can you - might you -
tell your source,
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00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,960
tell him to look into the
initial Select Committee hearings,
479
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960
and in particular
the letter they received
480
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,640
from the News International lawyers.
481
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,320
Because there's disclosures in that
the police never got the answer to.
482
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:23,960
Can someone turn it up?
483
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,160
Thanks. I will.
484
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,160
Would it be so bad,
us working together?
485
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,960
You need to see this.
486
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'Here's Ben Brazier
in Wapping with more on this story.'
487
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,160
'First, the denials
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'that celebrity voicemail messages
were listened to,
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'then they claim it was down
490
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,960
'to a single rogue reporter and
his private investigator sidekick.'
491
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:45,960
What?
492
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,960
'Now the admission, "We failed
to uncover what was going on."
493
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,960
' "We're going to apologise,
and we're going to pay up." '
494
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,960
Fuck.
Absolutely right.
495
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,320
What exactly are
the News of the World admitting to?
496
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,960
It's brilliant.
Is it?
497
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,960
Well, by admitting they're at fault
and agreeing to cooperate,
498
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,960
in fact, what they're doing
is they're finding a new device
499
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,960
for concealing the truth.
500
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,960
Nick, will it be cheaper?
501
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,960
Standard-rate damages rather than
502
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,960
the million-pound hush money
they've had to pay out.
503
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,960
And getting this out in court now
is next to impossible, am I right?
504
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,960
Well, if you are...
505
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,960
for instance, Sienna Miller
and you do take it to trial,
506
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,160
then if she ends up getting less
at trial
507
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,960
than they offered her before,
then she risks being ordered
508
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,960
to pay both sides' costs,
which could be astronomical.
509
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,960
And so, then, yes, it makes
getting to trial almost impossible.
510
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,960
Shit.
511
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,960
My advice is, they've twisted
one way, we must twist another.
512
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,960
I've had a reply
from Sue Akers on Rees.
513
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:44,960
She's shutting you down?
514
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,000
She says her remit is limited
to Mulcaire and the notebooks.
515
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,960
She isn't going near Rees.
516
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,960
Should we try to leak something?
Put pressure on that way.
517
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,320
I've got Rees specifically
targeting Kate Middleton.
518
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,480
I've just heard
he targeted John Yates.
519
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,960
Or we could... Do you think...?
520
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,640
If we twisted an arm or two,
521
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960
do you think we could get me
up the list for PMQs?
522
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,960
Ah. That's a very good idea.
I'm not following.
523
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,960
What does Sue Akers want?
524
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960
To be free to take the evidence
wherever it leads her.
525
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960
With a swift prod from the left,
526
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,960
maybe the Prime Minister
will extend her brief.
527
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,960
You could even name Rees.
528
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,960
Oh. Good. Good.
Hang on.
529
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,800
All of this exposes Dave
to scrutiny again.
530
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,640
I'm ready.
Tom, can I help?
531
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,960
Please do.
Good. Good.
532
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,960
Let's box Cameron in.
533
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,960
As the Prime Minister
has previously said,
534
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,160
the hacking inquiry should go
where the evidence takes it.
535
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960
The Metropolitan Police
are in possession of paperwork,
536
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960
which details the dealings
537
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,960
of criminal private investigator
Jonathan Rees.
538
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,960
It strongly suggests that on behalf
of News International,
539
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,960
he was illegally targeting members
of the Royal Family,
540
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,800
senior politicians
and high-level terrorist informers.
541
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Yet the head of Operation Weeting
has recently written to me
542
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,960
to explain that this evidence
543
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,480
may be outside
the inquiry's terms of reference.
544
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,960
Prime Minister,
545
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,800
I believe powerful forces
are involved in a cover-up.
546
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,960
Please, please tell me
what you intend to do
547
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,960
to make sure
that this doesn't happen.
548
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,960
The point I'd make
to the Honourable Gentleman,
549
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960
who I know takes a close interest
in this,
550
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,000
is there is a police inquiry.
551
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,960
A police inquiry
doesn't need terms of reference.
552
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,160
The police are free
to investigate the evidence
553
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000
and take that wherever it leads them
554
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,960
and then mount a prosecution
with the CPS.
555
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,960
Amelia. Hi.
Saw you go in.
556
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960
Sorry, a bit weird to wait
for people outside toilets.
557
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:44,960
Oh, I've done worse.
558
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,960
Got a minute?
Sure.
559
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,960
Two inquiries are being set up.
560
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Operation Tuleta, looking
specifically into Jonathan Rees.
561
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000
Good.
Operation Elveden...
562
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,960
I can never get over Scotland Yard's
need for strange names.
563
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800
..to investigate the alleged payment
of bribes to police officers
564
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,960
and other officials from journalists
from the News of the World.
565
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,320
What's made them do this?
You didn't see Tom Watson's speech?
566
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,960
Oh, I may have done.
Did you write it?
567
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,960
HE LAUGHS
568
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,960
Also, the Select Committee wading
you suggested to my officer,
569
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,960
let's call him...
Jingle.
570
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,000
Fine. It proved fruitful.
571
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,960
Operation Weeting forced some emails
out of News International.
572
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,960
The Met discovered on their servers
some systematic deletions.
573
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,160
Of course.
574
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,960
In particular,
one enormous deletion in January.
575
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,960
While they were handing over those
three emails from Ian Edmondson?
576
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:38,960
Bastards!
577
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,800
Can we print?
I'm... I'm working on it.
578
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,960
Look, Jingle was grateful
for the advice.
579
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,320
He said he can't volunteer
information on active cases,
580
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,960
but ask him a question,
he'll tell no lies.
581
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:57,960
HE EXHALES
582
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,960
We've had something interesting
come up.
583
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:01,960
What is Judge Voss doing?
584
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,960
I feel like we've only seen
a tiny percent of Mulcaire's note.
585
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:05,960
Voss is being robust with everyone.
586
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,320
It's yielding fruit.
Sienna Miller is being typically...
587
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,960
The Sky Andrew case feels important.
Where are we...?
588
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,320
I've got something,
if you're interested,
589
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,960
but you will need to listen.
Sorry. Go on.
590
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,960
I've been representing, as you know,
Leslie Ash and Lee Chapman.
591
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,960
Yeah, I read about it.
You're doing brilliantly.
592
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,960
SHE CHUCKLES
593
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,960
You're like my ex -
you always get complimentary
594
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,960
when you know you're in the wrong.
595
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,960
Sorry. I am sorry.
596
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,960
I heard you were a mess.
597
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,320
Oh, fine.
I can see an island of sanity.
598
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,960
I'm... I'm floating close to it.
Go on.
599
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,960
I went to Putney
so that the Weeting officers
600
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,960
could show me the notes
Mulcaire had taken from Leslie Ash
601
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,800
and Lee Chapman's voicemail.
Yeah.
602
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:58,960
Now, some genius
combined the two names
603
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,480
and gave me the details
of Leslie Chapman.
604
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,480
Remind me.
Jessica Chapman's father.
605
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,960
Jessica Chapman was one
of the murdered schoolgirls, right?
606
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,960
The Soham murders?
607
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,960
It looks like Leslie Chapman's
voicemail was hacked.
608
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,960
They hacked the voicemail
of a grieving father?
609
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,960
I'm not sure, but it looks that way.
610
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,480
You can't use it... yet.
611
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,960
This could change everything.
I need to talk to the family.
612
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,960
I need permissions.
I need to be sure.
613
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,960
The Chapman family,
I could talk to them.
614
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,640
That's not why I'm telling you this.
615
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,640
Nick, think.
616
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,960
If they're doing this
to the Chapmans...
617
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960
Where else have they been?
Exactly.
618
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,960
'Jessica Chapman.'
619
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,640
Oh, the Soham murders
tore the police apart for a while.
620
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,960
She's sure they were
into the parents' phone?
621
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,960
It's in Mulcaire's notebooks.
But I can't get in there.
622
00:31:59,960 --> 00:32:02,960
I've got to find another way in.
You will.
623
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:07,000
I envy your confidence.
No, I'm just...
624
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,960
HIGH-PITCHED TONE
INTERNALLY
625
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:11,960
I'm just happy to have you back.
626
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,000
I thought that was better.
Sometimes.
627
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,160
It comes and goes.
628
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,960
Are you just frying that cheese?
629
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,960
It's halloumi cheese.
You'll like it.
630
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960
I'm not hungry any more.
What?
631
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960
No, I just don't get it. I mean...
632
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320
I eat when I know
that I have to eat.
633
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960
I just don't get hungry any more.
634
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,960
Don't.
What?
635
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,960
With that sympathy look.
I'm not being sympathetic.
636
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800
Don't try and pretend
you're in any better state than me.
637
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,960
I've seen you, mate -
you are this close
638
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,960
to total collapse, I'm telling you.
639
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960
You know the story
of the dung beetle?
640
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,960
Oh, God. Have I stooped that low?
641
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,960
What?
It's what you trot out.
642
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,960
You trot out that story quite a lot,
you know.
643
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,000
Ask your kids.
Christ, pity your kids.
644
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,960
Whatever's going on...
"Have you heard of the dung beetle?"
645
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:00,960
An aggressive response.
646
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,960
HE LAUGHS
Come on.
647
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,960
That'll make you hungry.
Thank you.
648
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:12,960
You want to know how I do it?
Hmm.
649
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,480
I focus on the details.
Always the next detail.
650
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,960
I've been phobic of blood
ever since a body exploded on me.
651
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,960
A body exploded on you?
Yeah, an older man full of hernias.
652
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:30,960
Normally, when a pathologist scalpel
enters a cadaver, you hear a hiss.
653
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Well, this time, he exploded.
654
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,960
Blood was everywhere.
I was covered in it.
655
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,960
But I was in homicides,
656
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,960
so going to pathology is a key part
of my job, right?
657
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,960
So I focused on the details.
658
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,960
Ears, toes.
659
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,960
Even how the wound looked.
660
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,480
The blood, I made disappear.
661
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,960
So how do you do it, Nick?
662
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,960
KEYBOARD KEYS CLICK
663
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,320
Tell me I'm mad.
664
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,960
With pleasure.
I was in the database.
665
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,960
News of the World, April 14th, 2002.
666
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960
250 words long, page nine.
667
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,960
It claims that voicemail messages
668
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,960
were sent to Milly's phone
after she disappeared.
669
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,160
Milly Dowler.
670
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,960
"Police say voicemails were left
by a mentally disturbed woman
671
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,480
"who has hoaxed previous inquiries."
672
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960
It even quotes
what the message said.
673
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,160
"Hello. We're ringing because
we have some interviews starting.
674
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,960
"Can you call me back?
Thank you. Bye-bye."
675
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,960
This is six days
after Milly had disappeared.
676
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:30,960
Final edition of the paper.
677
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,480
That reference was removed.
678
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,800
Because they might have realised
what a boo-boo they had made.
679
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,160
Charlotte has evidence
that they hacked
680
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,160
Jessica Chapman's father
on the Soham case.
681
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,960
We can't get close to that,
that was the family,
682
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,000
but this is the girl herself.
683
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,960
Rebekah was editor then.
684
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960
This was under her aegis.
685
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,960
C-Can you confirm this?
I think so.
686
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,960
Is this as big as I think it is?
687
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,960
Yes, it is.
688
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,960
Make sure it stands up.
689
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,960
Yeah, hi. Any fruit?
690
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,960
'Jingle says
they've been investigating.'
691
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Is that confirmation?
692
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:34,960
Are they confirming
that it happened?
693
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
'Yes. There is a page on Dowler
in Mulcaire's notebooks.'
694
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,960
Right, we need
to be absolutely watertight.
695
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,960
'Nick, he also says
they're pursuing a line of inquiry
696
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,960
'they deleted messages
because the voice mailbox was full.'
697
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,960
They deleted messages?
698
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,480
'I'll get us a firm anonymous quote
from Jingle.'
699
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,960
OK, thanks, Amelia. Yeah, bye-bye.
'Bye.'
700
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,960
I have a source from inside Weeting,
I've got the article. Glen.
701
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960
I've got a good source
saying Surrey Police knew about it
702
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,960
and the Dowler family did not.
703
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,960
Well, this is it. This is it.
704
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960
I don't want to believe, but I do.
705
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,960
The source is clear.
Stuart Kuttner...
706
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,960
Remember him?
..even called Surrey Police.
707
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,800
He didn't just hear the voicemail.
He followed up on it.
708
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960
They even think they deleted
her answerphone messages
709
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,960
to allow space
for messages to be given,
710
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,960
which made the family
think she was still alive.
711
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Oh, God.
712
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,960
Do you know, if we can land this,
this changes everything.
713
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,000
How?
A child? A dead child's phone?
714
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,960
It's despicable.
715
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,960
You know, part of the British public
think that celebrities, politicians,
716
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,960
journalists, even,
deserve everything that they get,
717
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:47,960
but when an innocent is harmed,
an innocent already wronged,
718
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,000
trust me, the News of the World
will not be forgiven for this.
719
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,960
PHONE BUZZES
720
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,320
'Hi, this is Dave. Leave a message.'
721
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,960
David, I've been offered
to go on to Channel 4.
722
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,960
I don't have a career to protect,
and I think I should do it.
723
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,320
If you have a problem
with any of this,
724
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,480
could you just call me
or text me, please?
725
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Thank you.
726
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,960
DOORBELL RINGS
727
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,960
DOOR OPENS
Mrs Dowler?
728
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,960
My name is Nick Davies.
I know.
729
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960
They said you'd be coming by.
730
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,640
I've just been watching you
on YouTube.
731
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960
Come on. Come in.
Thank you.
732
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,640
Thank you.
733
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,960
So the police are keeping you...?
Up to date with it all, yes.
734
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,960
Operation Weeting,
a good team, it seems.
735
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,960
They say it was true.
736
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,960
Our daughter was hacked.
737
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,480
Yes.
738
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,160
Can you tell us why?
739
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,960
Why? Sorry?
740
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,960
What we don't understand
is why someone would do this.
741
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,320
You're a journalist.
Can you explain?
742
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,960
I think they thought
there was a good story in it.
743
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960
A good story?
744
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,960
They wanted to...
either to find her,
745
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,640
or to find something printable
about her.
746
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,960
So the phone
promised all those things.
747
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,960
But we'd only just lost her -
didn't they know it was wrong?
748
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,320
I think they didn't consider that.
749
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,960
Didn't they know it would hurt us?
750
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,960
Milly...
751
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,960
At that time, Milly was
the most famous person in the UK,
752
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,960
and everyone wanted to read
about her.
753
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,960
And, I'm afraid,
they needed to sell their newspaper.
754
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,960
And now you're here.
755
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,960
Someone else selling a newspaper.
I am.
756
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Yes, but I'm hoping
what we are doing...
757
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,480
..will help expose a wrong
that was done to your daughter.
758
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,960
However, yes, I...
we are selling newspapers,
759
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:52,000
and I know that all this
will be bringing her
760
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,960
back into the spotlight again,
761
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,960
and I know...
That that's painful?
762
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,960
Just slightly.
Yeah.
763
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960
But you should do it all the same.
764
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,960
You have our permission, Nick -
if you needed it, that is.
765
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,960
Thank you.
766
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,960
Always can never get used to
microphones being poked everywhere.
767
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,960
SHE SCOFFS
I'm used to it, for Crimewatch.
768
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,960
Of course. Of course you are.
MOBILE BUZZES
769
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,960
More used to it than me.
No.
770
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,960
Do you want to share
the byline with Amelia?
771
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,960
Her source helped confirm it.
772
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,960
It needs something clearer.
773
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,960
News of the World targeted...
Illegally targeted.
774
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,000
Good. Illegally targeted
the missing schoolgirl Milly Dowler
775
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,960
and her family, in dates...
Yup.
776
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,960
..interfering with the police
investigation into...
777
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,960
No, interfering
with police inquiries
778
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,960
into her disappearance
and deleted messages.
779
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,480
Then what the family believed -
780
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,480
she's alive, the lie of that.
781
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,960
Do we have a source
and a secondary source?
782
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,960
Yes, we do.
Have we spoken to Scotland Yard?
783
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,480
Of course. I even asked for a quote.
784
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,960
This is... quite something.
785
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,960
'Channel 4 News can tonight reveal
786
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,960
'that allegations have been aired
that a Metropolitan Police detective
787
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,960
'was put under surveillance
by the News of the World journalists
788
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,160
'and his personal details
were targeted.
789
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,960
'The former Crimewatch presenter
and Detective Jacqui Hames
790
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,960
'has spoken out for the first time.'
791
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,960
So, Jacqui, you were approached
by Operation Weeting.
792
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,960
What did they show you?
793
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,960
They showed me various sheets
of paper,
794
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,960
which I was told came from
Glenn Mulcaire's diaries and notes
795
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,160
and sat there and read
796
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,960
the extent to which he had delved
into my private life,
797
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,960
and it was quite a body blow.
798
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,960
I want to know
who instigated the surveillance
799
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,960
and the research
that was done on us.
800
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,480
I would like to know
how they got and who they got
801
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,960
that personal information from
about us.
802
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,320
'I would like to know what
the purpose of it was from them.'
803
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,960
'Do you think there was an attempt,
here, to interfere
804
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,960
'with your ex-husband's
criminal investigation,
805
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
'and if so, what...
where's the evidence for that?'
806
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,960
'It's very difficult
when you look at the...'
807
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,960
SHE CLEARS THROAT
808
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,960
'..the order in which things
happened, the chronology of this.'
809
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,960
Not to at least want to shine
a light on it, and say, you know,
810
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,960
how is it that the day after
that appeal went out on Crimewatch,
811
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,640
that this started to happen.
812
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,960
And it's very difficult
not to come to that conclusion
813
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,960
that they were somehow complicit
in all this,
814
00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:01,960
or somebody
within the organisation was.
815
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,960
Complicit in what, exactly?
816
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,960
'In trying to discredit David,
or myself.'
817
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,960
BUZZING
818
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,960
Of course, they didn't print it.
819
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:37,960
And so it finally begins.
820
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:38,960
More revelations...
821
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,960
The pressure
on News of the World grows.
822
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,160
Another day of dramatic development.
Shocking story.
823
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,960
It is alleged Glenn Mulcaire...
824
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:46,960
..hacked into the mobile phone
825
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,960
of the murdered schoolgirl
Milly Dowler.
826
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,960
Well, this poor girl's dead,
and they're trying to get stories.
827
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,960
There is a new allegation
that the tabloid may have hacked
828
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,960
into the phones of the relatives
of soldiers killed in Iraq.
829
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,960
If these actions are proved
to have been verified,
830
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,960
I'm appalled
and find it quite disgusting.
831
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,960
Tonight, Chief Executive
Rebekah Brooks says,
832
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,960
we're told, that she's shocked,
and that she knew nothing about it.
833
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960
Today is the anniversary of 7/7.
834
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,000
Relatives of victims
of the London bombings
835
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,960
may also have had their phones
hacked into.
836
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,800
Somebody was listening to that.
It's a violation, isn't it?
837
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,960
An extraordinary moment
in British journalism.
838
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,960
The News of the World is to close.
839
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,960
What happened,
happened very, very quickly.
840
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,960
It's like a bomb's hit the place.
841
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,640
Those decent people up there
have been thrown out of a job.
842
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,960
The sense that everyone
gets is that Rupert Murdoch
843
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,960
is getting rid of News of the World
844
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,640
in order to protect
taking over BSkyB.
845
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,960
I'm interested in those
who were responsible
846
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,960
being brought to justice.
847
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,960
Scotland Yard confirmed today
that it had received documents
848
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,960
suggesting a number of its officers
849
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,960
were given inappropriate payments
by News International.
850
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,960
Paying police for information
is a criminal offence.
851
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,960
It's corrupt, it's bribery.
852
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,000
David Cameron's
former head of communications
853
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,960
is arrested over corruption
and phone hacking.
854
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,160
The decision to hire him was mine,
and I take full responsibility.
855
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,320
There's an awful lot
I'd like to say, but I can't.
856
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,960
The pressure
is mounting on Rebekah Brooks.
857
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,960
Both her and James Murdoch
should be leaving their desks.
858
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,960
The Prime Minister
has announced details
859
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,640
of the independent public inquiry
led by Lord Justice Leveson...
860
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,960
..who will have the power to summon
and question...
861
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,960
..newspaper proprietors,
journalists, police and politicians.
862
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960
I recognise the vital importance
863
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,640
of reaching a number of conclusions,
and I will strive to do so.
864
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,320
Rebekah Brooks, who finally bowed
to pressure and resigned.
865
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,640
For the past ten days,
866
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,960
she's been at the heart
of the storm.
867
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,960
Now she has decided to step away.
868
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,960
Assistant Commissioner
John Yates has also quit.
869
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,960
It is with great regret
that I make this decision.
870
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,960
The mighty Murdoch empire
871
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,960
has suffered
its most humiliating blow yet,
872
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,480
as it suddenly dropped its bid
to take control of BSkyB.
873
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,960
'Murdoch has abandoned
874
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,480
'his bid for BSkyB,
but will he face wider consequences
875
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,960
'in relation
to the phone hacking scandal?
876
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,960
'What will come next
in this shocking saga?'
877
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,960
And I heard, as it were,
the noise of thunder...
878
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,960
..one of the four beasts saying,
"Come and see."
879
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,960
And I saw, and behold,
880
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,160
a white horse.
881
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,640
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