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Previously on The Hack...
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Think who edited the paper.
Think about where he sits now.
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I mean, I know Andy Coulson.
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Him sitting next to the Prime
Minister, that's wrong in every way.
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The police have
Mulcaire's notebooks.
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If we can get them
into the public eye,
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we'll see who hired who,
how high this goes,
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who was being hacked.
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Just be safe with yourself.
Just be safe.
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It's the Daniel Morgan case.
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We've had some witnesses
finally come forward.
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PHONE RINGS
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You cannot be taking phone calls
from a protected witness.
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From today, you will have no further
contact with Gary Eaton, whatsoever.
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Max, we've got them on the rack.
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You settle, the whole thing
gets covered up again.
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You've got them on the rack?
With what?
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The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford
more than ยฃ1 million.
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Our biggest gun was spiked.
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Our liberal
Conservative government
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will take Britain
in a historic new direction,
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a direction of hope and unity,
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conviction and common purpose.
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I'm delighted to be standing here
with the new Deputy Prime Minister,
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and I would like now to invite him
to speak to us
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on what I think is a remarkable
and very welcome day.
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Thank you, David.
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We've just been through
an election campaign,
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and now we have a coalition.
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Until today, we were rivals,
and now we're colleagues.
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- It is unusual.
- And it'll cost you.
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All that work given
to someone else's byline.
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Finding it a little bit hard
to get my head around.
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Look.
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The BBC are playing it on repeat.
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I've watched it 15 times,
and it was sickening the first time.
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Andy Coulson now sits
at the right-hand side of God.
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There's a direct link
between Number 10 and Murdoch.
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I don't like that whisper chain.
We need our...
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We need our own coalition.
We need allies.
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We have allies. I'm assembling
a huge team of lawyers.
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People are working together.
No, we need allies in the press.
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You don't think I've tried?
Nobody will touch it.
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Thank you. Erm...
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Well, they won't on Fleet Street,
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but I've always thought a lot
of Glen Campbell.
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I think Panorama will bite.
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No, no, no. The BBC won't risk
a battle with Murdoch.
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But then there's Dispatches, maybe,
and internationally, Bill Keller.
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You can't think The New York Times
would want to be involved.
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Murdoch's hold
on The Wall Street Journal
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is galling to Bill.
I think he could.
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Well, I... If I've got resources,
of course, but...
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Alan, they won't share back.
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TV hacks might,
but The New York Times...
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This will always be
your story, Nick.
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No, it's bigger than that... me.
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I can't make friends
at school, why not a pen pal?
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I get it. Yeah.
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Yep, I get it. It's a good idea.
It's a necessary idea.
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Good.
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So, Nick Davies and The Guardian
are losing the exclusive
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but winning the war.
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- Steve.
- Yeah.
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GAVEL HAMMERING
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I'm aware
that it has taken us a few years
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to get to this point,
and many of us are eager
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to draw these pre-trial hearings
to a close.
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But, I'm afraid,
a new matter has arisen
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that requires our attention.
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Last night, an application was made
by the counsel for the defendants
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as regards a possible irregularity
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in the conduct
of this investigation
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in relation to the prosecution
witness Mr Gary Eaton.
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In order to resolve this,
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it is my view that we must spend
some time hearing evidence directly
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from DCS David Cook
and the officers in his team,
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which will begin on Monday.
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'These rules are ridiculous.'
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They are tight.
No conferring with colleagues?
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I mean, I work with these officers
day in, day out.
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They don't want you to prepare,
basically.
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It's known as an ambush defence.
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And they want me to tell them
everything about Gary Eaton?
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While the suspects
are sitting right there?
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If the judge does decide
to lose Gary Eaton's evidence,
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it would be a significant setback.
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Oh, losing Gary Eaton
would be a fucking disaster.
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So we do what the judge tells us to.
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All you have to do
is answer the questions.
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Dave will be fine.
He's good in the spotlight.
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And while you sit in the spotlight,
boy scout behaviour.
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Day in, day out. Agreed?
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The defence could put you
under surveillance.
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They could track your car,
your phone.
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They'd love nothing more
than to catch you out.
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These men have been under arrest
for over a year.
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This is a fucking farce.
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Nothing to do with truth,
nothing to do with justice.
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We do the best we can
within the system we've got.
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CHATTER
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What do you call three Pulitzer
Prize winners sitting in a row?
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A murder? An ambush? An armada?
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Do you really call them "help"?
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This is, er, quite something.
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It's remarkable journalism, Nick.
Thank you.
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Any chance they're doing it
in America, too?
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A few suspected names.
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Nothing firm. It's all in there.
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You've no-one on record
from News Of The World? No.
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But plenty off the record.
Am I right?
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She's trying to get you to reveal
who your Mr Apollo is.
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Oh, I see, you think he's a News
International insider. Interesting.
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Erm, but, no, not sharing.
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And frankly, even if I wanted to,
he's disappeared.
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Do you have an angle? The...
You... Paper...
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Well, Bill's instincts were,
er, Royal Family,
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Murdochs, press intrusion.
In that order?
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We'll find our way.
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It's important no-one can say
that we colluded with you
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or were baby-fed
just to stand your story up.
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You're not here
to stand my story up.
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I wasn't saying that.
We further each other's stories.
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Anything new we get, we know
you're the keeper of the flame.
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We'll bring you in.
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I'd say likewise,
but I've given you all I have.
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EXHALES
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TOILET FLUSHES
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I don't know
when this started either.
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DOOR CREAKS OPEN
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CUBICLE DOOR OPENS,
CLOSES
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MAN URINATING
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Erm, you might get a call
from The New York Times
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in the next few days.
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New York Times? Fancy.
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They're getting involved.
We're giving them what we have.
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Two newspapers are better than one.
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You know, Nick, when I look at the
kids who come around for playdates,
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I instinctively know who are good at
sharing and who aren't, and you...
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Alan thinks it's a good idea.
I think it's a good idea.
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Oh, you weren't very good
at sharing at all, were you?
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I'm not done.
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They'll do their thing.
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It actually makes it easier
to pursue.
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And I was actually quite good
at football as a kid, so...
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That's what I'd have done
at your playdate.
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I'd have found a ball and kicked it.
I didn't care about toys.
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Anyway, I have an idea.
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So, Harry Evans wrote in his memoir
about a plane crash.
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I don't know Harry Evans.
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Editor of The Sunday Times,
from 1967 to '81. Newspaper legend.
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Doesn't that mean
he worked for Murdoch?
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Oh, they didn't get on.
Murdoch fired him?
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Eventually. Actually, first he
promoted him, gave him editorship.
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That's not...
He's the hero in this story?
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I haven't told the story.
Well, your eyes imply he's the hero.
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The DC-10, in Paris, passenger jet.
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There was clearly a problem
with the manufacture of the plane,
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but Harry couldn't print.
Without evidence.
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Exactly. So Harry got his reporters
to intervene.
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Linked the bereaved families
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with highly effective lawyers
in the US,
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because US courts were more likely
to order McDonnell Douglas
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to disclose internal paperwork.
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My plan is to do the same.
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Haven't we already tried that
with Max Clifford?
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No, no. Then you involve me
in your case, very kindly.
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Now I'm going to recruit for you.
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So, they bribed Max.
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They won't be able to stop
an army of people.
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If I can get a list of the hacked
and encourage them to come forward,
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we can flood the courts.
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I can't see you as a footballer.
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Fuck off.
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Look, Andy Coulson created
a culture at the News Of The World.
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To prove he did so, we need to get
as many of his top journalists
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implicated as possible.
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Mulcaire's notes
had Clive Goodman's name
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written at the top -
it's court record.
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So if we can find the other editors
who commissioned him...
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Come on, it's time to get nuclear,
don't you think?
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The inevitable dig followed.
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I had to identify,
with the help of my furry friend,
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every celebrity, politician
and sports star they'd gone after.
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High ranking, the low ranking.
The illustrious, the audacious.
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And then I had to persuade
those people to fight.
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Like MP Tessa Jowell.
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Yes, I have been spoken to
by the police.
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All the dirt they had on
your ex-husband came from hacking.
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And ruined my marriage, I am aware.
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I'd like to publish an article
about your experiences,
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and I'd like you to consider
pursuing it further in court.
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I have good lawyer recommendations.
But that would mean stirring it up.
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We've struggled enough.
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Please, leave it alone.
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I had proof that Charles Clarke
had been hacked.
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I told a friend who knew him
to tell him. My friend said...
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He's not willing to engage.
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With Charlotte's help,
I identified a dozen law firms
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who specialised
in representing celebrities.
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I contacted all of them.
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I wish I could tell you their names.
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I'm getting nothing.
Nothing?
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They're busy.
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They're worried about
reviving an embarrassing story.
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They can't afford it. But mostly...
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Mostly, they're frightened.
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I've heard rumours
about Nicole Kidman.
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Hello, Charlotte.
Nice to meet you.
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A charming lawyer. How nice.
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Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly.
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Have you met John Kelly?
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No, she wasn't warned by the police.
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And, no,
she won't be meeting with you
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or any other journalist.
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Mr Kelly, this is worth pursuing.
For Nicole, for all your clients.
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It's still a no, I'm afraid.
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A hard no.
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Her trustees say no.
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Mark Thompson came about
because two of his clients,
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one of whom was Big Brother's
Jade Goody, had been hacked.
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Jade had died of cancer.
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They're not interested
in pursuing a case.
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Perhaps I could talk to them.
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Because you're more persuasive
than me?
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I get it. You're desperate.
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There is another... someone.
I can't give you her name.
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We called her "AZP".
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She's very angry.
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They've ruined her life.
She's leaning into all this.
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I'd love to...
Yeah, of course you fucking would.
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And if she's brave enough
to talk more,
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then you'll hear more.
But until then...
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They're just all so scared.
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They are profoundly scared.
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Mr Cook, do you accept
that a number of rules
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were broken
with regard to Gary Eaton?
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I do.
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And the issue for the judge
to decide on
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is the spirit
in which these rules were broken.
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Were they broken in bad faith,
or was it done transparently
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and in the interests of justice?
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Those are the two sides that
we are litigating at the moment.
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You understand that?
Yes, I do.
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Let us begin with
your initial meeting with Mr Eaton.
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It's been suggested
that you led the witness
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during this conversation.
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I think it's important for me to say
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that I never wanted to meet
with Mr Eaton in the first place.
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He insisted he would only speak
with me, so I went along.
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And the job is to find out
if he was valid.
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And to do that, you have to ask
some probing questions.
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"Give me the name of the brothers."
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That's hardly a probing question,
is it, Mr Cook?
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He wasn't interested in any brothers
at all, was he?
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You gave him the brothers.
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I gave him the brothers.
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I did not give him
the name of the brothers.
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You were aware at that first meeting
of how important it was
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to preserve the integrity
of the process?
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And that's what I thought
we were doing. It was all recorded.
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And we all have the transcripts
here before us.
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But that wasn't my question.
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It was a simple question.
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Let's try another.
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Do you accept that by having direct
phone conversations with a witness,
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you were breaching
the sterile corridor system?
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Yes, I do. But I would say
that this was a particularly
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difficult set of circumstances.
Wasn't difficult at all.
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All you had to do was say
to this man, "I'm sorry,
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"the rules are, I'm not allowed
to have direct contact with you.
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"You have your own
witness protection handler.
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"They can sort out
any problems you may have,
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"but from now on,
you must not ring me,
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"and if you do,
my phone will bar you."
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And that is what I did
on several occasions.
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Did you ever bar Gary Eaton
from calling your phone?
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It's not always possible
on every type of phone.
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Are you saying
that it's not possible
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from a Metropolitan Police phone?
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It's... It's a terribly
simple question.
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He changed his number.
I didn't know his number.
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I'd like to turn now to the issue
of your note taking.
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My Lord, between August the 23rd...
EARS RINGING
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..and the 16th of September, 2006,
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not one of Mr Cook's numerous
telephone calls to Eaton
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appears on the schedule.
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Mr Cook, do you mind telling us
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how it is that between the 23rd
of August and the 16th of September,
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you managed to make so many calls
without recording any of them?
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From memory, the vast majority,
if not all,
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were to do with Mr Eaton's welfare -
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his domestics, stuff like that,
nuisance stuff.
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But you accept, do you not,
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that the court has no way of knowing
what was said during these calls?
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I accept that. And, my Lord,
do you mind if I sit down?
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I suffer from vertigo.
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Please.
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Let us look at tab number nine.
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We can see top line...
EARS RINGING
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..that the debrief begins
on the 1st of August.
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We can see
that it's followed the next day
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by a call which is 15 minutes long.
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That one is logged.
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Then, on the 28th of August,
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there's a nine-minute call,
which is not logged.
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Then, on the 1st of September,
Eaton suddenly changes his story.
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He says for the first time
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that he was at the scene
of the murder.
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Well, what are you suggesting?
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I'm suggesting that that may not be
a coincidence, Mr Cook.
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I suppose you're going to deny it
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and say that it is
just a coincidence?
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You're going to deny that,
during these unlogged calls,
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you were feeding Mr Eaton his story?
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And why would I do that?
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This case has been causing
the Metropolitan Police
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untold embarrassment
for over two decades.
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You were desperate to nail someone.
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Of course,
if you think you have somebody
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who may be an eyewitness,
you embrace them with both arms.
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But you allowed this dishonest,
mentally ill man
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to run riot over your investigation.
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Not only that,
but you manipulated him
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because he was easily manipulable
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and because he was your one way
of bringing this case back to life
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and ending your career
with a real coup.
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Isn't that what has gone on here,
Mr Cook?
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You could not be further
from the truth, sir.
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SIGHS
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GLASSES CLINKING
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If you haven't changed your ways.
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No chance. Thanks.
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Can you still win?
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Now that we've lost Gary Eaton,
the entire case...
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rests on two witnesses.
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Lindsey Wright,
Jimmy Cook's ex-girlfriend,
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who is basically
a fucking nightmare...
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..and James Ward,
our original supergrass,
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who's erratic at best.
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Nine days
they kept me on that stand.
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On day one,
I really thought I could win.
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Hoped.
Yeah, I remember hope.
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I'm sorry they did that to you.
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You didn't deserve it.
Ah, maybe I did.
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So, what about you?
Can you, erm... win?
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Journalism isn't about
winning or losing.
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It's about the gradual erosion
of self-worth.
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Alan's given the story to Panorama
and The New York Times,
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and he's probably right because
I can't get anyone to go to court,
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which means we can't...
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I... I thought I had a way
to get to Mulcaire's notes.
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I thought I was finally
getting somewhere,
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but like everything I try...
BLOWS RASPBERRY
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What about Jonathan Rees?
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Surely he's just as bad as Mulcaire?
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He's on trial,
if you haven't noticed.
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We raided his house a few years ago.
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We found invoices on his desk.
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Rees to Alex Marunchak
and the News Of The World.
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Rees went to prison for conspiring
to pervert the course of justice,
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came out and went right back
into the employ
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of News Of The World,
while Andy Coulson was the editor.
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Under Coulson, News Of The World
employed a convicted criminal?
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Now, this fell into your lap, OK?
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You can't quote me.
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You can't name Rees.
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But you can use this to nail them.
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This could get you
in serious trouble.
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I'm already in serious trouble.
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So, you're calling
Jonathan Rees "Mr A"?
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I think it's my best pseudonym yet.
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I can't name him
till after the Morgan trial.
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It's very tenuous, legally,
even to hide him under a pseudonym.
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His lawyers can claim
contempt of court.
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Coulson being in government
is a contempt.
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It's a good story. Does it stand up?
My source is solid.
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Jonathan Rees was imprisoned
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for conspiring to pervert
the course of justice.
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And the News Of The World
rehired him.
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After he was released from prison
while Coulson was editor.
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Feels a good one.
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We'll need to give Coulson
right of reply. Ugh!
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This is the most archaic practice,
giving people quotes,
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in articles against them.
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It's just free advertising space
for their lies.
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I think it's necessary.
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If we publish his right of reply,
we'll be misleading our readers.
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Whatever the fight,
I think it's better to stick
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to established journalist practice,
don't you?
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What do you know about journalism?
You're a lawyer. Nick.
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Could you talk to her
with a bit more respect?
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Oh, fuck off, with respect.
Nick. Nick.
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Sorry. Sorry, Rufus. Sorry, Gill.
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I know how vital
you are to all this.
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Just... busy time, busy head.
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I'll... alert some people.
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Go backstairs.
I know this will spread.
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The other newspapers,
they can't ignore this.
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It has to.
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Gill?
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If he gets the quote from Coulson,
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I think we can argue
public interest.
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I agree.
Thank you. This is good.
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Whoever your source is,
this is good.
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BELL RINGS,
WHIRRING
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PHONES RINGING,
CHATTER
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Would it surprise you to know
it didn't spread?
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All the other newspapers
ignored the Mr A story.
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You'll get them next time.
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The trouble with next time...
SIGHS
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The trouble with...
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You'll get them next time.
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I don't have a next time.
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You stupid child.
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Nicholas! Nicholas,
don't be dramatic, Nicholas.
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Let's get a washcloth
for that blood, shall we?
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I don't have a next time.
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MOBILE BUZZING
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Er, Nick Davies.
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Nick. It's Jo Becker.
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00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,960
'New York Times.'
Oh. Yeah, hi.
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'Is now not a good time?'
No, it's fine. How can I help?
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We're going to publish.
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00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,960
Great. What?
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00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,960
Sean Hoare is going on the record.
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'He's a genuine insider.'
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00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,480
Oh, more than that,
he's Coulson's friend.
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00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,640
They worked
the celebrity Bizarre column
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that Coulson made his name on.
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00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,960
'What did he say?'
Well, he talked about Coulson a lot.
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I had a good relationship with him,
as it goes.
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Yeah, I could do the fuck I wanted
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as long as I came in
with a good story.
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The brief was...
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.."I don't give a fuck."
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00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,960
The News Of The World meetings
sound more fun than Guardian ones.
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'You're not wrong.
But I asked him...'
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Did he know what's going on?
Coulson?
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The New York Times
over here on this, are they?
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Yes.
Oh. Why?
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We want to investigate whether
an ethical line has been crossed.
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Fuck me,
you sound like The Guardian.
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00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,960
You don't think The Guardian
are valid?
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00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960
I think The Guardian
are being beautiful beings,
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gazing down from their mighty
high horses, the pious fucks.
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00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960
You know, but the thing about you,
you see, is that you...
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You're foreign, so I like you.
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CHUCKLES
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I, personally... played voicemail
recordings to the bastard
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when we worked together
at The Sun and the Screws.
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You played recordings to Coulson?
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Sean...
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..is that on the record?
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SNIFFS
456
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I want a New York Mets top.
I'm sorry?
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00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,960
I want a New York Mets top,
and then it's on the record.
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00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,960
OK.
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00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,960
Yeah?
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Sure.
Great.
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00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,480
So what do you say
we go completely crazy
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00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,960
and have another orange juice?
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00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,160
Thank you.
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00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,640
This is very good.
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I don't think they made clear
the link with Coulson.
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00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,960
It's good journalism, but it's...
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00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,960
I love an intimate party, Nick,
but it is nice, don't you think,
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00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,800
to have at least some other people
who want to be there?
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This is The New York Times.
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00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,960
It's going to be a lot harder
to fight us both.
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This matters.
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Yeah.
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00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,000
It was an extremely good piece.
It...
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00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,960
The way it...
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00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,960
It was extremely good.
And what happened next...
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00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960
Alan was right -
it made everybody braver.
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00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960
Celebrities began to look up.
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00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,960
For instance, Charlotte Harris began
to get somewhere with a client -
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00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,960
football agent Sky Andrew.
480
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,480
They offered him ยฃ200,000 a year
481
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960
and ยฃ1.2 million in free advertising
for a charity if he'd drop his case.
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00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,160
And?
He said no.
483
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,960
People were willing to fight.
Most unusual people.
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Hi. Nick Davies.
Max Mosley. I'm a fan of your work.
485
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960
Then Max Mosley
did something extraordinary.
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00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960
To be clear,
we didn't meet at The Guardian,
487
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,960
but this setting will do.
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I'd like to back, financially,
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00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,960
anyone wishing to bring a case
against the News Of The World,
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00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960
indemnify them
against costs and damages.
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00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,960
Max, that could be millions.
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00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,960
I'm guessing you saw it.
493
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,480
Nazi sex orgy, photos of me.
494
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,960
It was not Nazi.
495
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960
It was consenting,
but they didn't care.
496
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,960
I sued, I got a small reward.
I survived.
497
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,960
My son... didn't.
498
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,960
A heroin overdose, one year
after the story was published.
499
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,960
I'm sorry.
500
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,960
They can attack us.
But when our children are damaged...
501
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,960
But are you sure that this is what
you want to spend your fortune on?
502
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,960
CHUCKLES SOFTLY
503
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800
You underestimate my fortune,
Mr Davies.
504
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,960
And my anger.
505
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,960
The world started to unfurl
before us.
506
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,960
The strategy started to work.
507
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Allies were...
508
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,480
well, not exactly everywhere
but gathering. And then...
509
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,160
The game changed.
Mark Thompson got in touch.
510
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,800
His client, AZP...
Do you remember AZP?
511
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,480
Well, apparently she loved
The New York Times piece
512
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,960
and the Mr A story,
and she wanted to meet.
513
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,960
Oh, and AZP, she is...
514
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,960
Sienna Miller, meet Nick Davies.
Pleasure to meet you.
515
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Yes - actor, tabloid magnet.
516
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,960
Our ace card.
517
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,960
He knows it's coming.
518
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,160
Everyone's been whispering to her
to stop.
519
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,320
All of Hollywood.
520
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Some roles are being withdrawn.
521
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,960
Others are being promised
if she just lets it go.
522
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,960
But you've decided to keep fighting.
523
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,320
They've also said, they've told me
524
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,960
that there is more muck on me
they'd use.
525
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960
Which is, I mean,
probably true,
526
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,960
but, I mean,
how can they print anything worse?
527
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,960
All the papers are after her.
528
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,480
Can I ask...
Sienna, can I ask what happened?
529
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,960
I... I can't go into the...
the details.
530
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,960
And I really don't want to pry,
but what...
531
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,800
What were they digging for?
532
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Erm...
533
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,800
SHE LAUGHS
534
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,800
Seemingly, erm, well, anything
about me is, er, interesting.
535
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,960
The restaurants I go to,
what I wear,
536
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960
people... people I meet.
537
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,640
But it seems their attention
was particularly grabbed
538
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,640
by, I, erm...
539
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,960
I got, er...
BREATHES HEAVILY
540
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,960
I got pregnant, and, erm,
I had a decision...
541
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,960
..to make. You understand?
542
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,960
Mm.
And...
543
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,960
Well, at that time, when you're...
when you're dealing with that,
544
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,960
you need people that you can trust,
and I didn't, I didn't trust anyone.
545
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,960
I thought that they were
all selling stories about me
546
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,320
because they knew everything.
547
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,960
And I couldn't work out why.
I couldn't work out why
548
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,960
anything I told my friends or family
was being leaked.
549
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,960
I thought, I mean, I...
SIGHS
550
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960
I started to, erm...
551
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Yeah.
552
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960
Mmm.
553
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,960
I, er...
554
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,960
The number of people that I trusted
grew smaller and smaller
555
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,160
until there was almost
no-one at all.
556
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,960
I didn't know which way was up.
Not any more.
557
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,960
I drank too much,
did all the wrong things,
558
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,960
damaged my career, damaged myself.
559
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,960
And they feasted on it.
560
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Was this Mulcaire?
561
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,960
We don't know.
We don't know who was doing what.
562
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,000
All we know is the results of it.
563
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,960
SHE SNIFFS
The thing that I was most, erm...
564
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,960
..sorry about was that I, erm...
565
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,960
..I damaged my family.
566
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320
Once it was all, erm...
567
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,960
INHALES DEEPLY,
EXHALES
568
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,000
I only, basically, told my mum.
569
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,960
SIGHS
570
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,960
And they still found out.
SNIFFS
571
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960
And they published,
and I thought it was her.
572
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480
And the things
I said to her, you know?
573
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,960
SHE INHALES
Must have been horrible.
574
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,640
But I'm a celebrity.
CHUCKLES
575
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960
I chose all this.
It's not their fault.
576
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,960
It's in the public interest. Hmm?
577
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,960
We're taking this all the way.
Good.
578
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,960
Mm-hm.
Thank you.
579
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,960
'We're gonna have to disclose this.'
580
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,960
I'm afraid there's no choice.
581
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960
But I ain't done nothing.
582
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Lindsey, your entire
search history's here.
583
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960
We can see what you searched
and when you searched it.
584
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,960
But... I'm allowed to be curious,
ain't I?
585
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,960
Not against the law to be curious.
Look...
586
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,960
you're accusing Jimmy Cook
of over 30 separate murders.
587
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000
And each time you change a statement
and say you remember a new murder,
588
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960
it comes off the back
of an internet search
589
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,960
on how to commit
that particular type of murder.
590
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960
Disclosing this means
that we can no longer
591
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,960
put you forward
as a witness of truth.
592
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,960
And I'm afraid, Lindsey...
593
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,960
I'm afraid we lost
the only other witness
594
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960
who had evidence on Jimmy.
595
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,960
So your statement...
596
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,960
..that was all the prosecution
had to go on.
597
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,000
GAVEL HAMMERS
598
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320
'James Frederick William Cook.'
599
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,960
No.
'Stand, please.'
600
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,960
I direct a verdict of not guilty
601
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,160
in respect of count one,
and you are now free to go.
602
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,960
'No, no, no, no, no, no.
What if he...?
603
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,640
'Oh, shit!'
604
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,960
I'm now number one target.
You know that?
605
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,960
How could you let this happen?
606
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,000
How could you let this happen?!
607
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,960
SHE SOBS
608
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,960
TEACUP CLINKING
You take sugar?
609
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,960
Er, just half.
610
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,960
And a splash of milk. Thanks.
611
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,000
TEA POURING
612
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Erm, how long you been here, then?
Moved in a while ago.
613
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,960
I know, I just haven't time to...
SIGHS
614
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,960
There's a sofa coming.
Thanks.
615
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,640
Yeah, I was actually
pretty shocked when I heard.
616
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000
You and Jacqui always seemed...
solid.
617
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,960
Aye.
618
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,960
Heard you and Vicky got married.
That's great.
619
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960
We invited you to the wedding,
but you never RSVP'd.
620
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Did you?
621
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,960
I'm so... I'm so sorry.
It's just that...
622
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,960
I've been...
I've been busy, frantic. Work, life.
623
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,960
I know.
624
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480
It's what you get for having friends
who are coppers.
625
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,320
They disappear on you
for years on end.
626
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,960
So we're still pals?
627
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,960
But that's not why you're here.
You want something.
628
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian
have been in touch
629
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,320
with us at Panorama.
630
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,960
It's the hacking stuff.
631
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,960
But there's also this story on
Jonathan Rees they've been pushing.
632
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,960
I know you've been on Daniel Morgan,
so... Rees is your bag, right?
633
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Look, I'm sorry.
We can talk about other things.
634
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,160
I'll take my BBC hat off.
635
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,320
Genuinely, I wanted to see you.
636
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,000
How are you, you know...
637
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,960
..coping?
638
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,640
Well, it's strange.
639
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,960
House without kids, pretty quiet.
640
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Think I need to get better
at filling in the time.
641
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,960
We should be aiming
for a coalition of lawyers.
642
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,320
Coalition? Are we in government now?
643
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960
I have other friendly lawyers
with very high-profile clients.
644
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,960
I do know who you're...
With the Sky Andrew case
645
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,960
progressing under your watch, he's
still not accepting their terms.
646
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960
No. Max Mosley has promised
to financially back
647
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,320
any client who comes forward.
648
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,960
Surely, we can encourage them all
to come forward now.
649
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Nick, breathe. OK?
650
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,960
You are constantly swaying
between utter despair and this.
651
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,960
It's exhausting. The law takes time.
652
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,800
We are building something.
Let it fucking build.
653
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Stop worrying about The New York
Times getting there before you.
654
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,640
This is your case. Not worried
about The New York Times.
655
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,960
I don't have Sienna Miller
as a client.
656
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,960
You don't have Sean Hoare
in your pocket.
657
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,960
But we are all working together.
658
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,320
Stop doing that thing
with your hands.
659
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,160
I have another one for you,
a former politician.
660
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,320
Apparently, he's had sight
of Mulcaire's notebook.
661
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Now, I've been reluctant
to share him because...
662
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960
well, I think he's tricky.
663
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960
But you want everyone, so...
664
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,960
What I'm interested in
is in Mulcaire's notebooks.
665
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960
I have no interest in what it shows,
666
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,000
but there'll be a name
at the top corner of the notes,
667
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,960
which is the name of someone
at the News Of The World.
668
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Have you read
what The Guardian has written
669
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960
about me, about this case?
670
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,960
Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case
which became a perjury case.
671
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Process of disclosure on which
allowed him access to Mulcaire
672
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,960
and to his paperwork.
673
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
And he's right - The Guardian
haven't been kind about him.
674
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960
What I'm looking to do
is to build a case
675
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,960
against Andy Coulson and the culture
at the News Of The World,
676
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,960
that the hacking was endemic...
Yes, there's a name.
677
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,960
No, you can't see it.
And you certainly can't print it.
678
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,960
I don't trust journalists, Nick.
Not any more.
679
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,960
OK, the name is important
680
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,960
because it undermines
the "one rogue reporter" argument
681
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,960
which Coulson keeps hiding behind.
682
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,800
So the more editors and
senior journalists we can implicate,
683
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,960
the more we show them lying.
684
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960
EXHALES
685
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Greg Miskiw.
686
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Greg Miskiw. Are you sure?
687
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,960
I didn't tell you,
and you're not printing it.
688
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Greg Miskiw was news editor
and later assistant editor.
689
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,960
He's retired now,
but he reported directly to Coulson.
690
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,960
I know who Greg Miskiw is, Nick.
Do you know how significant this is?
691
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,480
This could blow the lid off.
This has to be off the record.
692
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Do I understand that you're
representing yourself in court?
693
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,320
Yes.
What if I was to help you?
694
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,960
Go on.
695
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,960
There's very little
I know a lot about,
696
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,960
but this issue is one of them.
697
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,000
I can feed you questions, help with
your research, all for nothing.
698
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,960
For the name in the notebook?
That name is dynamite.
699
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,960
Greg Miskiw is dynamite.
700
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,160
And you can print it
because it's been stated in court.
701
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,960
And I have an idea
who you should call as a witness.
702
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Go on.
703
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Andy Coulson.
704
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
DOOR SLAMS
705
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,320
You're a traitor.
706
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,960
Start by asking him
about Greg Miskiw.
707
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,160
He'll deny any knowledge.
708
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,960
Mr Coulson...
709
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,800
..these are the written notes
710
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960
of the former News Of The World
employee Glenn Mulcaire.
711
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Contractor. Not employee.
712
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Mr Coulson,
do you recognise the name
713
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,960
at the top left-hand corner
of the page?
714
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,800
It says "Greg".
715
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,960
This is the big one.
716
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,960
Do you think that name refers
717
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,960
to the former assistant editor,
Greg Miskiw?
718
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,960
No. Not to my knowledge, no.
719
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Do you have any knowledge of
Greg Miskiw ordering Glenn Mulcaire
720
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960
to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone?
721
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,960
Are you telling me
that you never ordered,
722
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,160
or were unaware
of Greg Miskiw ordering,
723
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,960
Mr Mulcaire to tap my phone?
724
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,960
No. I had absolutely
no knowledge of it, and I...
725
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,960
I-I certainly didn't instruct anyone
to do anything of the type.
726
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,960
Interesting because Sean Hoare,
in The New York Times...
727
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,960
..stated that he played you
hacked voicemails.
728
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,640
I remain confident
there is no evidence
729
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960
to support Mr Hoare's accusations.
That's my position.
730
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Do you have any comment
on why Mr Hoare
731
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,960
would have made those accusations?
732
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,960
You should ask Mr Hoare.
733
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,960
How bad was the culture
at your newspaper?
734
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,960
I don't accept there was any culture
735
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,000
of phone hacking
at the News of The World.
736
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,000
There was one unfortunate case
involving Clive Goodman,
737
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,960
and no-one was more sorry
about it than me.
738
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,960
And that's why I resigned.
739
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,960
'Tommy Sheridan?'
740
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,960
We got Miskiw's name out there.
741
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,960
It wasn't enough,
but we're rattling Coulson's cage.
742
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Well, let's see if this
sends him over the edge.
743
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,960
This was lodged in the High Court
this morning.
744
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960
Worth mentioning, in real life,
he made me go to the courthouse
745
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,000
to pick this up myself.
746
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Possibly not worth mentioning.
747
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,960
Mulcaire blagged her phone number.
I changed my phone twice,
748
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,960
and somehow they always got it.
749
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960
It wasn't just her phone
they were inside of.
750
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,960
They targeted Sienna's mother,
her boyfriend,
751
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960
his assistant, her publicist.
752
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960
We analysed my itemised phone bills,
and then we used them
753
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,320
to force the police to hand over
calls made by Mulcaire.
754
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,960
The police were sitting
on this information for four years,
755
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,960
I'll remind you.
756
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,960
John Yates, four years.
757
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,960
And then we linked them
to the News Of The World stories.
758
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,960
There was a name that appeared
in the top corner of Glenn's notes.
759
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960
A name we haven't had before?
760
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,960
A name that could change everything.
Tell me the name!
761
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960
Ian Edmondson.
Ian Edmondson?
762
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,960
He reported directly to Coulson.
763
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,960
Ian Edmondson
is the current news editor
764
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960
of the News Of The World.
765
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
MARIACHI BAND PLAYS
766
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,320
MUSIC CONTINUES
767
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Just heard. Good work, Nick.
768
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,640
DOOR SLAMS,
MUSIC STOPS
769
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,960
MUSIC CONTINUES
770
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,960
MUSIC STOPS,
MOBILE BUZZES
771
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Sheridan?
772
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,640
'Oh, Nick,
they couldn't get through to you,
773
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,960
'so, well, I don't know how hard...'
Is it the kids?
774
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,640
'No. No, no. Erm...
775
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,960
'It's about your father.
776
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
'God, I'm so sorry, Nick.'
777
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,960
MOBILE BUZZES
778
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,480
Yeah, Graham?
779
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,960
'We found two crates
in an old DPS office.
780
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,640
'A cleaner found them.
781
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,960
'It's old evidence on James Ward.'
782
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,960
But we told the judge
we declared everything on Ward.
783
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,960
'I'm sorry.'
784
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,960
How bad is it?
785
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,800
Now this is the end, right?
786
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,800
Do you want the official answer
or the honest answer?
787
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,960
We don't survive this.
788
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640
I don't understand.
789
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,960
How can they accuse us
of withholding evidence
790
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,640
when you didn't even know
that the crates existed?
791
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,960
It was a disused police building.
792
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Nothing to do with your team, right?
Yeah.
793
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,960
The office was locked for years.
Nobody knew anything about it.
794
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,000
But even if we could make the case
795
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,800
that we weren't withholding
the files...
796
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,960
..the contents...
797
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,960
the details about James Ward
798
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,160
that he didn't originally
disclose to us...
799
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,480
If we'd have had the files earlier,
800
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,960
we may have been able
to deal with it, but...
801
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,160
all of it together, it's...
802
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,640
Years and years and years - gone.
803
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,960
All because someone left some files
in the wrong room.
804
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960
It's like everyone forgot.
805
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960
All the people in their court.
806
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,480
This was supposed
to be about Daniel.
807
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,960
'The Lark Ascending'
by Vaughan Williams
808
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,000
Hi.
SOFT CHATTER
809
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,320
You OK?
Yeah.
810
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,960
I really loved him.
811
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,000
I know.
He was everything.
812
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,960
It was complicated,
but I really loved him.
813
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,800
"The Lord is my Shepherd.
I shall not want.
814
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,480
"He makes me lie down
in green pastures,
815
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
"He leads me beside still waters.
816
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,960
"He restores my soul,
817
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,960
"He leads me in right paths
for His name's sake.
818
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,000
"Even though I walk
through the darkest valley,
819
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,960
"I fear no evil,
820
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,800
"for You are with me, Your rod
and Your staff, they comfort me.
821
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,960
"You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.
822
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,960
"Surely goodness and mercy
shall follow me
823
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,960
"all the days of my life,
824
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,960
"and I shall dwell in the house
of the Lord my whole life long."
825
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Hi.
826
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,960
On the 14th of January, 2011,
Rebekah Brooks asked her secretary
827
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,960
to find somewhere discreet
for her to meet Andy Coulson.
828
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,960
She did so the next day, at 7.45am,
at the Halkin Hotel in Belgravia.
829
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,960
We don't know what Brooks said
to Coulson during that meeting,
830
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960
but we do know
that on the 21st of January,
831
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Andy Coulson resigned.
832
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,960
He said, "Unfortunately,
continued coverage of events
833
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,320
"connected to my old job..."
834
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,960
..at the News Of The World
835
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,960
has made it difficult for me to give
the 110% needed in this role.
836
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,640
I stand by what I said
about those events.
837
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,960
But when a spokesman
needs a spokesman,
838
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960
it's time to move on. Thank you.
839
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,640
Thank you.
840
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,960
This is the end of a long,
841
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,320
and as I am sure everyone associated
with this case will agree,
842
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,960
exhausting road.
843
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,960
In all the years
that I have been a judge,
844
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,960
I have never come across a case
845
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
in which there have been
so many issues
846
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960
or such complex issues
to be resolved
847
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,160
before a trial
could even get underway.
848
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:44,640
The family will inevitably
be disappointed by the outcome.
849
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000
But they, I think,
should be commended
850
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,480
on the dignity with which
they have faced these proceedings.
851
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Mr Rees, Mr Fillery,
852
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,960
Mr Glenn Vian, Mr Garry Vian,
please stand.
853
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,960
You are free to go.
SIGHING IN RELIEF
854
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960
Verdicts of not guilty
have been entered
855
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,960
in all of your cases.
856
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,800
SOFT CHATTER
857
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,960
Thank you, all.
858
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Court rise.
859
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,960
Your dad.
Yeah.
860
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,960
He was a nice man.
You didn't know him.
861
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,960
You made him sound nice.
862
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,960
GULPS
And...
863
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,960
..to Andy Coulson.
864
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960
May he disappear
and never come back.
865
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,800
I may as well tell you,
we're reporting it... tomorrow.
866
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,160
Murdoch's going for full control
of BSkyB.
867
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,000
I did hear it was possible.
868
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,960
If he gets that, he'll be able to
leverage a serious amount of debt.
869
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,960
Buy more, buy bigger.
870
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,320
We're talking world domination.
871
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Why are you telling me this?
872
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,960
To remind you it's not over.
873
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,320
Remind me
that they cut Coulson loose
874
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960
to save them their BSkyB business.
875
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,960
It's... It's all a false victory.
Not false at all.
876
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,960
Dissection is a slow process.
We tackle them...
877
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,960
..one limb at a time, and eventually
they run out of limbs.
878
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,960
Do they?
879
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,000
I'm tired, Alan.
880
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,480
I wanna go home.
Agreed.
881
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,960
We rest, we lick our wounds,
we take stock.
882
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960
No, I don't...
883
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,160
I... I don't think...
I think, on this story,
884
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,960
I think you need to find someone
to take over.
885
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,960
Sometimes you need to know
when to stop.
886
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,960
SNIFFS
887
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960
It's time to stop. I need to stop.
888
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,320
Sorry.
889
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,960
EARS RINGING
890
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,480
KNOCKING ON DOOR,
GASPS
891
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,960
And I thought a bit
of fresh air might be in order.
892
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,960
No, I'm fine.
You're not.
893
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,960
I'm all right.
894
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,960
No, you're not, mate.
895
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,160
There's someone I want you to meet.
896
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,640
He helped me.
I think he can help you.
897
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,160
Get showered, get dressed.
Not leaving till you do it.
898
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,800
I'm serious.
899
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,960
OK.
900
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,960
MUFFLED VOICES
901
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Glen.
902
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,160
David Cook, Gordon Brown.
Gordon Brown, David Cook.
903
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,960
I know a lot about you, DCS Cook.
904
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,960
I appreciate you coming
all this way.
905
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,960
It's no problem.
906
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,960
I'm interested in hearing more
about what's happened to you.
907
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,960
I, er...
I think I might be able to help.
908
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,960
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