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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,960 Previously on The Hack... 2 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,480 Think who edited the paper. Think about where he sits now. 3 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,960 I mean, I know Andy Coulson. 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,960 Him sitting next to the Prime Minister, that's wrong in every way. 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,960 The police have Mulcaire's notebooks. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,960 If we can get them into the public eye, 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,960 we'll see who hired who, how high this goes, 8 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:23,960 who was being hacked. 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,960 Just be safe with yourself. Just be safe. 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,960 It's the Daniel Morgan case. 11 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,960 We've had some witnesses finally come forward. 12 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,320 PHONE RINGS 13 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,960 You cannot be taking phone calls from a protected witness. 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,640 From today, you will have no further contact with Gary Eaton, whatsoever. 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,960 Max, we've got them on the rack. 16 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,960 You settle, the whole thing gets covered up again. 17 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:43,960 You've got them on the rack? With what? 18 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:46,960 The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford more than ยฃ1 million. 19 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,960 Our biggest gun was spiked. 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,960 Our liberal Conservative government 21 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,640 will take Britain in a historic new direction, 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,800 a direction of hope and unity, 23 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,160 conviction and common purpose. 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,160 I'm delighted to be standing here with the new Deputy Prime Minister, 25 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,960 and I would like now to invite him to speak to us 26 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:14,960 on what I think is a remarkable and very welcome day. 27 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:16,800 Thank you, David. 28 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,160 We've just been through an election campaign, 29 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,000 and now we have a coalition. 30 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,960 Until today, we were rivals, and now we're colleagues. 31 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:28,960 - It is unusual. - And it'll cost you. 32 00:01:28,960 --> 00:01:30,960 All that work given to someone else's byline. 33 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,800 Finding it a little bit hard to get my head around. 34 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,320 Look. 35 00:01:35,320 --> 00:01:36,960 The BBC are playing it on repeat. 36 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:39,960 I've watched it 15 times, and it was sickening the first time. 37 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:42,960 Andy Coulson now sits at the right-hand side of God. 38 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,960 There's a direct link between Number 10 and Murdoch. 39 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,000 I don't like that whisper chain. We need our... 40 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,960 We need our own coalition. We need allies. 41 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,960 We have allies. I'm assembling a huge team of lawyers. 42 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:56,800 People are working together. No, we need allies in the press. 43 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,800 You don't think I've tried? Nobody will touch it. 44 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:00,960 Thank you. Erm... 45 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,000 Well, they won't on Fleet Street, 46 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,960 but I've always thought a lot of Glen Campbell. 47 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,160 I think Panorama will bite. 48 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,960 No, no, no. The BBC won't risk a battle with Murdoch. 49 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,960 But then there's Dispatches, maybe, and internationally, Bill Keller. 50 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,960 You can't think The New York Times would want to be involved. 51 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,960 Murdoch's hold on The Wall Street Journal 52 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:22,960 is galling to Bill. I think he could. 53 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,960 Well, I... If I've got resources, of course, but... 54 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:29,960 Alan, they won't share back. 55 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,960 TV hacks might, but The New York Times... 56 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,960 This will always be your story, Nick. 57 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,960 No, it's bigger than that... me. 58 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,960 I can't make friends at school, why not a pen pal? 59 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,960 I get it. Yeah. 60 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,960 Yep, I get it. It's a good idea. It's a necessary idea. 61 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,640 Good. 62 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:00,960 So, Nick Davies and The Guardian are losing the exclusive 63 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:02,960 but winning the war. 64 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,960 - Steve. - Yeah. 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,960 GAVEL HAMMERING 66 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,960 I'm aware that it has taken us a few years 67 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,960 to get to this point, and many of us are eager 68 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,960 to draw these pre-trial hearings to a close. 69 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,480 But, I'm afraid, a new matter has arisen 70 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,960 that requires our attention. 71 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,960 Last night, an application was made by the counsel for the defendants 72 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:47,960 as regards a possible irregularity 73 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,960 in the conduct of this investigation 74 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,960 in relation to the prosecution witness Mr Gary Eaton. 75 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,960 In order to resolve this, 76 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,000 it is my view that we must spend some time hearing evidence directly 77 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,960 from DCS David Cook and the officers in his team, 78 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,960 which will begin on Monday. 79 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,960 'These rules are ridiculous.' 80 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,160 They are tight. No conferring with colleagues? 81 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,960 I mean, I work with these officers day in, day out. 82 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,960 They don't want you to prepare, basically. 83 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,960 It's known as an ambush defence. 84 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,480 And they want me to tell them everything about Gary Eaton? 85 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:27,960 While the suspects are sitting right there? 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,160 If the judge does decide to lose Gary Eaton's evidence, 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,640 it would be a significant setback. 88 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,960 Oh, losing Gary Eaton would be a fucking disaster. 89 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:41,960 So we do what the judge tells us to. 90 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:43,960 All you have to do is answer the questions. 91 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,960 Dave will be fine. He's good in the spotlight. 92 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,000 And while you sit in the spotlight, boy scout behaviour. 93 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,320 Day in, day out. Agreed? 94 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:55,640 The defence could put you under surveillance. 95 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:56,960 They could track your car, your phone. 96 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,800 They'd love nothing more than to catch you out. 97 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,000 These men have been under arrest for over a year. 98 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,960 This is a fucking farce. 99 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Nothing to do with truth, nothing to do with justice. 100 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,960 We do the best we can within the system we've got. 101 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:20,960 CHATTER 102 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,960 What do you call three Pulitzer Prize winners sitting in a row? 103 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,960 A murder? An ambush? An armada? 104 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,960 Do you really call them "help"? 105 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:34,960 This is, er, quite something. 106 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,960 It's remarkable journalism, Nick. Thank you. 107 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:39,960 Any chance they're doing it in America, too? 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,960 A few suspected names. 109 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,960 Nothing firm. It's all in there. 110 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,960 You've no-one on record from News Of The World? No. 111 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,960 But plenty off the record. Am I right? 112 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,960 She's trying to get you to reveal who your Mr Apollo is. 113 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,960 Oh, I see, you think he's a News International insider. Interesting. 114 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,480 Erm, but, no, not sharing. 115 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,960 And frankly, even if I wanted to, he's disappeared. 116 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,960 Do you have an angle? The... You... Paper... 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,960 Well, Bill's instincts were, er, Royal Family, 118 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:12,960 Murdochs, press intrusion. In that order? 119 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,800 We'll find our way. 120 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,960 It's important no-one can say that we colluded with you 121 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,000 or were baby-fed just to stand your story up. 122 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:20,960 You're not here to stand my story up. 123 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,640 I wasn't saying that. We further each other's stories. 124 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Anything new we get, we know you're the keeper of the flame. 125 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:28,960 We'll bring you in. 126 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,160 I'd say likewise, but I've given you all I have. 127 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:37,960 EXHALES 128 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,800 TOILET FLUSHES 129 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,960 I don't know when this started either. 130 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,960 DOOR CREAKS OPEN 131 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,960 CUBICLE DOOR OPENS, CLOSES 132 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,960 MAN URINATING 133 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,960 Erm, you might get a call from The New York Times 134 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:18,960 in the next few days. 135 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,960 New York Times? Fancy. 136 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,960 They're getting involved. We're giving them what we have. 137 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Two newspapers are better than one. 138 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,960 You know, Nick, when I look at the kids who come around for playdates, 139 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,960 I instinctively know who are good at sharing and who aren't, and you... 140 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:36,960 Alan thinks it's a good idea. I think it's a good idea. 141 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,000 Oh, you weren't very good at sharing at all, were you? 142 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,320 I'm not done. 143 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:42,960 They'll do their thing. 144 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,960 It actually makes it easier to pursue. 145 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,640 And I was actually quite good at football as a kid, so... 146 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:51,960 That's what I'd have done at your playdate. 147 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,960 I'd have found a ball and kicked it. I didn't care about toys. 148 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:55,960 Anyway, I have an idea. 149 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,000 So, Harry Evans wrote in his memoir about a plane crash. 150 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,960 I don't know Harry Evans. 151 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,960 Editor of The Sunday Times, from 1967 to '81. Newspaper legend. 152 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,960 Doesn't that mean he worked for Murdoch? 153 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Oh, they didn't get on. Murdoch fired him? 154 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,960 Eventually. Actually, first he promoted him, gave him editorship. 155 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,640 That's not... He's the hero in this story? 156 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,960 I haven't told the story. Well, your eyes imply he's the hero. 157 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,960 The DC-10, in Paris, passenger jet. 158 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,320 There was clearly a problem with the manufacture of the plane, 159 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,480 but Harry couldn't print. Without evidence. 160 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,960 Exactly. So Harry got his reporters to intervene. 161 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,960 Linked the bereaved families 162 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,960 with highly effective lawyers in the US, 163 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,960 because US courts were more likely to order McDonnell Douglas 164 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,960 to disclose internal paperwork. 165 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:36,960 My plan is to do the same. 166 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,960 Haven't we already tried that with Max Clifford? 167 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,960 No, no. Then you involve me in your case, very kindly. 168 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,960 Now I'm going to recruit for you. 169 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,960 So, they bribed Max. 170 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,640 They won't be able to stop an army of people. 171 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,960 If I can get a list of the hacked and encourage them to come forward, 172 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,320 we can flood the courts. 173 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,960 I can't see you as a footballer. 174 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:01,960 Fuck off. 175 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,960 Look, Andy Coulson created a culture at the News Of The World. 176 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,960 To prove he did so, we need to get as many of his top journalists 177 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:08,960 implicated as possible. 178 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,960 Mulcaire's notes had Clive Goodman's name 179 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,960 written at the top - it's court record. 180 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:16,320 So if we can find the other editors who commissioned him... 181 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,960 Come on, it's time to get nuclear, don't you think? 182 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:23,960 The inevitable dig followed. 183 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:27,960 I had to identify, with the help of my furry friend, 184 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,960 every celebrity, politician and sports star they'd gone after. 185 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,960 High ranking, the low ranking. The illustrious, the audacious. 186 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,960 And then I had to persuade those people to fight. 187 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,320 Like MP Tessa Jowell. 188 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,960 Yes, I have been spoken to by the police. 189 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,480 All the dirt they had on your ex-husband came from hacking. 190 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,960 And ruined my marriage, I am aware. 191 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,960 I'd like to publish an article about your experiences, 192 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,960 and I'd like you to consider pursuing it further in court. 193 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,960 I have good lawyer recommendations. But that would mean stirring it up. 194 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,640 We've struggled enough. 195 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,960 Please, leave it alone. 196 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,960 I had proof that Charles Clarke had been hacked. 197 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,160 I told a friend who knew him to tell him. My friend said... 198 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,960 He's not willing to engage. 199 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,960 With Charlotte's help, I identified a dozen law firms 200 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,960 who specialised in representing celebrities. 201 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:13,960 I contacted all of them. 202 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,160 I wish I could tell you their names. 203 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,960 I'm getting nothing. Nothing? 204 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,960 They're busy. 205 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,960 They're worried about reviving an embarrassing story. 206 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,960 They can't afford it. But mostly... 207 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,960 Mostly, they're frightened. 208 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,320 I've heard rumours about Nicole Kidman. 209 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,960 Hello, Charlotte. Nice to meet you. 210 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,960 A charming lawyer. How nice. 211 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,480 Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly. 212 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,480 Have you met John Kelly? 213 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,960 No, she wasn't warned by the police. 214 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,960 And, no, she won't be meeting with you 215 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:50,960 or any other journalist. 216 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,320 Mr Kelly, this is worth pursuing. For Nicole, for all your clients. 217 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,960 It's still a no, I'm afraid. 218 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,960 A hard no. 219 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,960 Her trustees say no. 220 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,960 Mark Thompson came about because two of his clients, 221 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,960 one of whom was Big Brother's Jade Goody, had been hacked. 222 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,000 Jade had died of cancer. 223 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,960 They're not interested in pursuing a case. 224 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,320 Perhaps I could talk to them. 225 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,800 Because you're more persuasive than me? 226 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,960 I get it. You're desperate. 227 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,320 There is another... someone. I can't give you her name. 228 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,960 We called her "AZP". 229 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:24,480 She's very angry. 230 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,960 They've ruined her life. She's leaning into all this. 231 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,960 I'd love to... Yeah, of course you fucking would. 232 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:31,960 And if she's brave enough to talk more, 233 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,960 then you'll hear more. But until then... 234 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,640 They're just all so scared. 235 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,640 They are profoundly scared. 236 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,960 Mr Cook, do you accept that a number of rules 237 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,640 were broken with regard to Gary Eaton? 238 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:57,960 I do. 239 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,960 And the issue for the judge to decide on 240 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:02,960 is the spirit in which these rules were broken. 241 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,640 Were they broken in bad faith, or was it done transparently 242 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,960 and in the interests of justice? 243 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,960 Those are the two sides that we are litigating at the moment. 244 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,960 You understand that? Yes, I do. 245 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:20,960 Let us begin with your initial meeting with Mr Eaton. 246 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,960 It's been suggested that you led the witness 247 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:24,960 during this conversation. 248 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,960 I think it's important for me to say 249 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:29,480 that I never wanted to meet with Mr Eaton in the first place. 250 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,960 He insisted he would only speak with me, so I went along. 251 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:36,960 And the job is to find out if he was valid. 252 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,960 And to do that, you have to ask some probing questions. 253 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,960 "Give me the name of the brothers." 254 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,960 That's hardly a probing question, is it, Mr Cook? 255 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,320 He wasn't interested in any brothers at all, was he? 256 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,960 You gave him the brothers. 257 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,960 I gave him the brothers. 258 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,960 I did not give him the name of the brothers. 259 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,000 You were aware at that first meeting of how important it was 260 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,960 to preserve the integrity of the process? 261 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,960 And that's what I thought we were doing. It was all recorded. 262 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,960 And we all have the transcripts here before us. 263 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,960 But that wasn't my question. 264 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,960 It was a simple question. 265 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Let's try another. 266 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,960 Do you accept that by having direct phone conversations with a witness, 267 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,320 you were breaching the sterile corridor system? 268 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,960 Yes, I do. But I would say that this was a particularly 269 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,960 difficult set of circumstances. Wasn't difficult at all. 270 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,960 All you had to do was say to this man, "I'm sorry, 271 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,960 "the rules are, I'm not allowed to have direct contact with you. 272 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,960 "You have your own witness protection handler. 273 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,960 "They can sort out any problems you may have, 274 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:44,960 "but from now on, you must not ring me, 275 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,960 "and if you do, my phone will bar you." 276 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,960 And that is what I did on several occasions. 277 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,960 Did you ever bar Gary Eaton from calling your phone? 278 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,960 It's not always possible on every type of phone. 279 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,960 Are you saying that it's not possible 280 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,960 from a Metropolitan Police phone? 281 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,960 It's... It's a terribly simple question. 282 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,960 He changed his number. I didn't know his number. 283 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,960 I'd like to turn now to the issue of your note taking. 284 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,960 My Lord, between August the 23rd... EARS RINGING 285 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,480 ..and the 16th of September, 2006, 286 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,960 not one of Mr Cook's numerous telephone calls to Eaton 287 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,960 appears on the schedule. 288 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,960 Mr Cook, do you mind telling us 289 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,960 how it is that between the 23rd of August and the 16th of September, 290 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,960 you managed to make so many calls without recording any of them? 291 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,960 From memory, the vast majority, if not all, 292 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,960 were to do with Mr Eaton's welfare - 293 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,960 his domestics, stuff like that, nuisance stuff. 294 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,960 But you accept, do you not, 295 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,320 that the court has no way of knowing what was said during these calls? 296 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,960 I accept that. And, my Lord, do you mind if I sit down? 297 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,960 I suffer from vertigo. 298 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:03,960 Please. 299 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,960 Let us look at tab number nine. 300 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,160 We can see top line... EARS RINGING 301 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,960 ..that the debrief begins on the 1st of August. 302 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,160 We can see that it's followed the next day 303 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,960 by a call which is 15 minutes long. 304 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,960 That one is logged. 305 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,960 Then, on the 28th of August, 306 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,960 there's a nine-minute call, which is not logged. 307 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,960 Then, on the 1st of September, Eaton suddenly changes his story. 308 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:31,960 He says for the first time 309 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,960 that he was at the scene of the murder. 310 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:35,960 Well, what are you suggesting? 311 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,320 I'm suggesting that that may not be a coincidence, Mr Cook. 312 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,960 I suppose you're going to deny it 313 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:43,960 and say that it is just a coincidence? 314 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,960 You're going to deny that, during these unlogged calls, 315 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,640 you were feeding Mr Eaton his story? 316 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:51,960 And why would I do that? 317 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,160 This case has been causing the Metropolitan Police 318 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,960 untold embarrassment for over two decades. 319 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,960 You were desperate to nail someone. 320 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,960 Of course, if you think you have somebody 321 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,480 who may be an eyewitness, you embrace them with both arms. 322 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,800 But you allowed this dishonest, mentally ill man 323 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,960 to run riot over your investigation. 324 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,960 Not only that, but you manipulated him 325 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,960 because he was easily manipulable 326 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,960 and because he was your one way of bringing this case back to life 327 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,800 and ending your career with a real coup. 328 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,960 Isn't that what has gone on here, Mr Cook? 329 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:31,960 You could not be further from the truth, sir. 330 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,960 SIGHS 331 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,480 GLASSES CLINKING 332 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,480 If you haven't changed your ways. 333 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,640 No chance. Thanks. 334 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Can you still win? 335 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,960 Now that we've lost Gary Eaton, the entire case... 336 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,960 rests on two witnesses. 337 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,960 Lindsey Wright, Jimmy Cook's ex-girlfriend, 338 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,480 who is basically a fucking nightmare... 339 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,960 ..and James Ward, our original supergrass, 340 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,960 who's erratic at best. 341 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,640 Nine days they kept me on that stand. 342 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,960 On day one, I really thought I could win. 343 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,960 Hoped. Yeah, I remember hope. 344 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,960 I'm sorry they did that to you. 345 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,960 You didn't deserve it. Ah, maybe I did. 346 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,800 So, what about you? Can you, erm... win? 347 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,960 Journalism isn't about winning or losing. 348 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,160 It's about the gradual erosion of self-worth. 349 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,960 Alan's given the story to Panorama and The New York Times, 350 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,960 and he's probably right because I can't get anyone to go to court, 351 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,960 which means we can't... 352 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,800 I... I thought I had a way to get to Mulcaire's notes. 353 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,320 I thought I was finally getting somewhere, 354 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,960 but like everything I try... BLOWS RASPBERRY 355 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,160 What about Jonathan Rees? 356 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,640 Surely he's just as bad as Mulcaire? 357 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:23,960 He's on trial, if you haven't noticed. 358 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,000 We raided his house a few years ago. 359 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,800 We found invoices on his desk. 360 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,160 Rees to Alex Marunchak and the News Of The World. 361 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,960 Rees went to prison for conspiring to pervert the course of justice, 362 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,960 came out and went right back into the employ 363 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,960 of News Of The World, while Andy Coulson was the editor. 364 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,960 Under Coulson, News Of The World employed a convicted criminal? 365 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,960 Now, this fell into your lap, OK? 366 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,960 You can't quote me. 367 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,960 You can't name Rees. 368 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,960 But you can use this to nail them. 369 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,960 This could get you in serious trouble. 370 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,960 I'm already in serious trouble. 371 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,960 So, you're calling Jonathan Rees "Mr A"? 372 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,960 I think it's my best pseudonym yet. 373 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,800 I can't name him till after the Morgan trial. 374 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,960 It's very tenuous, legally, even to hide him under a pseudonym. 375 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,960 His lawyers can claim contempt of court. 376 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,960 Coulson being in government is a contempt. 377 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,960 It's a good story. Does it stand up? My source is solid. 378 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,960 Jonathan Rees was imprisoned 379 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,480 for conspiring to pervert the course of justice. 380 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,960 And the News Of The World rehired him. 381 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,000 After he was released from prison while Coulson was editor. 382 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,960 Feels a good one. 383 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,800 We'll need to give Coulson right of reply. Ugh! 384 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,960 This is the most archaic practice, giving people quotes, 385 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,960 in articles against them. 386 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,320 It's just free advertising space for their lies. 387 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,960 I think it's necessary. 388 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,960 If we publish his right of reply, we'll be misleading our readers. 389 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:01,960 Whatever the fight, I think it's better to stick 390 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,960 to established journalist practice, don't you? 391 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,320 What do you know about journalism? You're a lawyer. Nick. 392 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,960 Could you talk to her with a bit more respect? 393 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,800 Oh, fuck off, with respect. Nick. Nick. 394 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,960 Sorry. Sorry, Rufus. Sorry, Gill. 395 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,960 I know how vital you are to all this. 396 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,960 Just... busy time, busy head. 397 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,960 I'll... alert some people. 398 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,320 Go backstairs. I know this will spread. 399 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,000 The other newspapers, they can't ignore this. 400 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,960 It has to. 401 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,000 Gill? 402 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,960 If he gets the quote from Coulson, 403 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,960 I think we can argue public interest. 404 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,000 I agree. Thank you. This is good. 405 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,960 Whoever your source is, this is good. 406 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,960 BELL RINGS, WHIRRING 407 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,960 PHONES RINGING, CHATTER 408 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,960 Would it surprise you to know it didn't spread? 409 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,160 All the other newspapers ignored the Mr A story. 410 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,480 You'll get them next time. 411 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,960 The trouble with next time... SIGHS 412 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,960 The trouble with... 413 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,960 You'll get them next time. 414 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,960 I don't have a next time. 415 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,960 You stupid child. 416 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,960 Nicholas! Nicholas, don't be dramatic, Nicholas. 417 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,960 Let's get a washcloth for that blood, shall we? 418 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,960 I don't have a next time. 419 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,960 MOBILE BUZZING 420 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,000 Er, Nick Davies. 421 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,960 Nick. It's Jo Becker. 422 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,960 'New York Times.' Oh. Yeah, hi. 423 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,960 'Is now not a good time?' No, it's fine. How can I help? 424 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,960 We're going to publish. 425 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,960 Great. What? 426 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,960 Sean Hoare is going on the record. 427 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,320 'He's a genuine insider.' 428 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,480 Oh, more than that, he's Coulson's friend. 429 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,640 They worked the celebrity Bizarre column 430 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,960 that Coulson made his name on. 431 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,960 'What did he say?' Well, he talked about Coulson a lot. 432 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,960 I had a good relationship with him, as it goes. 433 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,800 Yeah, I could do the fuck I wanted 434 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,960 as long as I came in with a good story. 435 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,960 The brief was... 436 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,960 .."I don't give a fuck." 437 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,960 The News Of The World meetings sound more fun than Guardian ones. 438 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,960 'You're not wrong. But I asked him...' 439 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,960 Did he know what's going on? Coulson? 440 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,960 The New York Times over here on this, are they? 441 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,800 Yes. Oh. Why? 442 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,960 We want to investigate whether an ethical line has been crossed. 443 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,960 Fuck me, you sound like The Guardian. 444 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,960 You don't think The Guardian are valid? 445 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960 I think The Guardian are being beautiful beings, 446 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,960 gazing down from their mighty high horses, the pious fucks. 447 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960 You know, but the thing about you, you see, is that you... 448 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,960 You're foreign, so I like you. 449 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,960 CHUCKLES 450 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,960 I, personally... played voicemail recordings to the bastard 451 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,960 when we worked together at The Sun and the Screws. 452 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,960 You played recordings to Coulson? 453 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,960 Sean... 454 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,960 ..is that on the record? 455 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,960 SNIFFS 456 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,960 I want a New York Mets top. I'm sorry? 457 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,960 I want a New York Mets top, and then it's on the record. 458 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,960 OK. 459 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,960 Yeah? 460 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,640 Sure. Great. 461 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,480 So what do you say we go completely crazy 462 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,960 and have another orange juice? 463 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,160 Thank you. 464 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,640 This is very good. 465 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,160 I don't think they made clear the link with Coulson. 466 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,960 It's good journalism, but it's... 467 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,960 I love an intimate party, Nick, but it is nice, don't you think, 468 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,800 to have at least some other people who want to be there? 469 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,960 This is The New York Times. 470 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,960 It's going to be a lot harder to fight us both. 471 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,960 This matters. 472 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Yeah. 473 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,000 It was an extremely good piece. It... 474 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,960 The way it... 475 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,960 It was extremely good. And what happened next... 476 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960 Alan was right - it made everybody braver. 477 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960 Celebrities began to look up. 478 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,960 For instance, Charlotte Harris began to get somewhere with a client - 479 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,960 football agent Sky Andrew. 480 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,480 They offered him ยฃ200,000 a year 481 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960 and ยฃ1.2 million in free advertising for a charity if he'd drop his case. 482 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,160 And? He said no. 483 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,960 People were willing to fight. Most unusual people. 484 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,960 Hi. Nick Davies. Max Mosley. I'm a fan of your work. 485 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960 Then Max Mosley did something extraordinary. 486 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960 To be clear, we didn't meet at The Guardian, 487 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,960 but this setting will do. 488 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,960 I'd like to back, financially, 489 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,960 anyone wishing to bring a case against the News Of The World, 490 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960 indemnify them against costs and damages. 491 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,960 Max, that could be millions. 492 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,960 I'm guessing you saw it. 493 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Nazi sex orgy, photos of me. 494 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,960 It was not Nazi. 495 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960 It was consenting, but they didn't care. 496 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,960 I sued, I got a small reward. I survived. 497 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,960 My son... didn't. 498 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,960 A heroin overdose, one year after the story was published. 499 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,960 I'm sorry. 500 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,960 They can attack us. But when our children are damaged... 501 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,960 But are you sure that this is what you want to spend your fortune on? 502 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,960 CHUCKLES SOFTLY 503 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800 You underestimate my fortune, Mr Davies. 504 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,960 And my anger. 505 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,960 The world started to unfurl before us. 506 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,960 The strategy started to work. 507 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960 Allies were... 508 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,480 well, not exactly everywhere but gathering. And then... 509 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,160 The game changed. Mark Thompson got in touch. 510 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,800 His client, AZP... Do you remember AZP? 511 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,480 Well, apparently she loved The New York Times piece 512 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,960 and the Mr A story, and she wanted to meet. 513 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,960 Oh, and AZP, she is... 514 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,960 Sienna Miller, meet Nick Davies. Pleasure to meet you. 515 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,960 Yes - actor, tabloid magnet. 516 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,960 Our ace card. 517 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,960 He knows it's coming. 518 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,160 Everyone's been whispering to her to stop. 519 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,320 All of Hollywood. 520 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,960 Some roles are being withdrawn. 521 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,960 Others are being promised if she just lets it go. 522 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,960 But you've decided to keep fighting. 523 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,320 They've also said, they've told me 524 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,960 that there is more muck on me they'd use. 525 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960 Which is, I mean, probably true, 526 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,960 but, I mean, how can they print anything worse? 527 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,960 All the papers are after her. 528 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,480 Can I ask... Sienna, can I ask what happened? 529 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,960 I... I can't go into the... the details. 530 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,960 And I really don't want to pry, but what... 531 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,800 What were they digging for? 532 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,320 Erm... 533 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,800 SHE LAUGHS 534 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,800 Seemingly, erm, well, anything about me is, er, interesting. 535 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,960 The restaurants I go to, what I wear, 536 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960 people... people I meet. 537 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,640 But it seems their attention was particularly grabbed 538 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,640 by, I, erm... 539 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,960 I got, er... BREATHES HEAVILY 540 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,960 I got pregnant, and, erm, I had a decision... 541 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,960 ..to make. You understand? 542 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Mm. And... 543 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,960 Well, at that time, when you're... when you're dealing with that, 544 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,960 you need people that you can trust, and I didn't, I didn't trust anyone. 545 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,960 I thought that they were all selling stories about me 546 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,320 because they knew everything. 547 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,960 And I couldn't work out why. I couldn't work out why 548 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,960 anything I told my friends or family was being leaked. 549 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,960 I thought, I mean, I... SIGHS 550 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960 I started to, erm... 551 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,960 Yeah. 552 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960 Mmm. 553 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,960 I, er... 554 00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,960 The number of people that I trusted grew smaller and smaller 555 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,160 until there was almost no-one at all. 556 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,960 I didn't know which way was up. Not any more. 557 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,960 I drank too much, did all the wrong things, 558 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,960 damaged my career, damaged myself. 559 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,960 And they feasted on it. 560 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,960 Was this Mulcaire? 561 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,960 We don't know. We don't know who was doing what. 562 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,000 All we know is the results of it. 563 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,960 SHE SNIFFS The thing that I was most, erm... 564 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,960 ..sorry about was that I, erm... 565 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,960 ..I damaged my family. 566 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320 Once it was all, erm... 567 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,960 INHALES DEEPLY, EXHALES 568 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,000 I only, basically, told my mum. 569 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,960 SIGHS 570 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,960 And they still found out. SNIFFS 571 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960 And they published, and I thought it was her. 572 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480 And the things I said to her, you know? 573 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,960 SHE INHALES Must have been horrible. 574 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,640 But I'm a celebrity. CHUCKLES 575 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960 I chose all this. It's not their fault. 576 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,960 It's in the public interest. Hmm? 577 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,960 We're taking this all the way. Good. 578 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,960 Mm-hm. Thank you. 579 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,960 'We're gonna have to disclose this.' 580 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,960 I'm afraid there's no choice. 581 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960 But I ain't done nothing. 582 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,960 Lindsey, your entire search history's here. 583 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960 We can see what you searched and when you searched it. 584 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,960 But... I'm allowed to be curious, ain't I? 585 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,960 Not against the law to be curious. Look... 586 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,960 you're accusing Jimmy Cook of over 30 separate murders. 587 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000 And each time you change a statement and say you remember a new murder, 588 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960 it comes off the back of an internet search 589 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,960 on how to commit that particular type of murder. 590 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960 Disclosing this means that we can no longer 591 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,960 put you forward as a witness of truth. 592 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,960 And I'm afraid, Lindsey... 593 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,960 I'm afraid we lost the only other witness 594 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960 who had evidence on Jimmy. 595 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,960 So your statement... 596 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,960 ..that was all the prosecution had to go on. 597 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,000 GAVEL HAMMERS 598 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320 'James Frederick William Cook.' 599 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,960 No. 'Stand, please.' 600 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,960 I direct a verdict of not guilty 601 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,160 in respect of count one, and you are now free to go. 602 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,960 'No, no, no, no, no, no. What if he...? 603 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,640 'Oh, shit!' 604 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,960 I'm now number one target. You know that? 605 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,960 How could you let this happen? 606 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,000 How could you let this happen?! 607 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,960 SHE SOBS 608 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,960 TEACUP CLINKING You take sugar? 609 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,960 Er, just half. 610 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,960 And a splash of milk. Thanks. 611 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,000 TEA POURING 612 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,960 Erm, how long you been here, then? Moved in a while ago. 613 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,960 I know, I just haven't time to... SIGHS 614 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,960 There's a sofa coming. Thanks. 615 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,640 Yeah, I was actually pretty shocked when I heard. 616 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000 You and Jacqui always seemed... solid. 617 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,960 Aye. 618 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,960 Heard you and Vicky got married. That's great. 619 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960 We invited you to the wedding, but you never RSVP'd. 620 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,160 Did you? 621 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,960 I'm so... I'm so sorry. It's just that... 622 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,960 I've been... I've been busy, frantic. Work, life. 623 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,960 I know. 624 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480 It's what you get for having friends who are coppers. 625 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,320 They disappear on you for years on end. 626 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,960 So we're still pals? 627 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,960 But that's not why you're here. You want something. 628 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,960 Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian have been in touch 629 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,320 with us at Panorama. 630 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,960 It's the hacking stuff. 631 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,960 But there's also this story on Jonathan Rees they've been pushing. 632 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,960 I know you've been on Daniel Morgan, so... Rees is your bag, right? 633 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960 Look, I'm sorry. We can talk about other things. 634 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,160 I'll take my BBC hat off. 635 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,320 Genuinely, I wanted to see you. 636 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,000 How are you, you know... 637 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,960 ..coping? 638 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,640 Well, it's strange. 639 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,960 House without kids, pretty quiet. 640 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960 Think I need to get better at filling in the time. 641 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,960 We should be aiming for a coalition of lawyers. 642 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,320 Coalition? Are we in government now? 643 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960 I have other friendly lawyers with very high-profile clients. 644 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,960 I do know who you're... With the Sky Andrew case 645 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,960 progressing under your watch, he's still not accepting their terms. 646 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960 No. Max Mosley has promised to financially back 647 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,320 any client who comes forward. 648 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,960 Surely, we can encourage them all to come forward now. 649 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480 Nick, breathe. OK? 650 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,960 You are constantly swaying between utter despair and this. 651 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,960 It's exhausting. The law takes time. 652 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,800 We are building something. Let it fucking build. 653 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960 Stop worrying about The New York Times getting there before you. 654 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,640 This is your case. Not worried about The New York Times. 655 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,960 I don't have Sienna Miller as a client. 656 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,960 You don't have Sean Hoare in your pocket. 657 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,960 But we are all working together. 658 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,320 Stop doing that thing with your hands. 659 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,160 I have another one for you, a former politician. 660 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,320 Apparently, he's had sight of Mulcaire's notebook. 661 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,960 Now, I've been reluctant to share him because... 662 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960 well, I think he's tricky. 663 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960 But you want everyone, so... 664 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,960 What I'm interested in is in Mulcaire's notebooks. 665 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960 I have no interest in what it shows, 666 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,000 but there'll be a name at the top corner of the notes, 667 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,960 which is the name of someone at the News Of The World. 668 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,960 Have you read what The Guardian has written 669 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960 about me, about this case? 670 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,960 Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case which became a perjury case. 671 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,960 Process of disclosure on which allowed him access to Mulcaire 672 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,960 and to his paperwork. 673 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960 And he's right - The Guardian haven't been kind about him. 674 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960 What I'm looking to do is to build a case 675 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,960 against Andy Coulson and the culture at the News Of The World, 676 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,960 that the hacking was endemic... Yes, there's a name. 677 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,960 No, you can't see it. And you certainly can't print it. 678 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,960 I don't trust journalists, Nick. Not any more. 679 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,960 OK, the name is important 680 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,960 because it undermines the "one rogue reporter" argument 681 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,960 which Coulson keeps hiding behind. 682 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,800 So the more editors and senior journalists we can implicate, 683 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,960 the more we show them lying. 684 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960 EXHALES 685 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,960 Greg Miskiw. 686 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,960 Greg Miskiw. Are you sure? 687 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,960 I didn't tell you, and you're not printing it. 688 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,480 Greg Miskiw was news editor and later assistant editor. 689 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,960 He's retired now, but he reported directly to Coulson. 690 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,960 I know who Greg Miskiw is, Nick. Do you know how significant this is? 691 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,480 This could blow the lid off. This has to be off the record. 692 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960 Do I understand that you're representing yourself in court? 693 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,320 Yes. What if I was to help you? 694 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,960 Go on. 695 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,960 There's very little I know a lot about, 696 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,960 but this issue is one of them. 697 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,000 I can feed you questions, help with your research, all for nothing. 698 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,960 For the name in the notebook? That name is dynamite. 699 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,960 Greg Miskiw is dynamite. 700 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,160 And you can print it because it's been stated in court. 701 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,960 And I have an idea who you should call as a witness. 702 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,960 Go on. 703 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960 Andy Coulson. 704 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960 DOOR SLAMS 705 00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,320 You're a traitor. 706 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,960 Start by asking him about Greg Miskiw. 707 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,160 He'll deny any knowledge. 708 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,960 Mr Coulson... 709 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,800 ..these are the written notes 710 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960 of the former News Of The World employee Glenn Mulcaire. 711 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,960 Contractor. Not employee. 712 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960 Mr Coulson, do you recognise the name 713 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,960 at the top left-hand corner of the page? 714 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,800 It says "Greg". 715 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,960 This is the big one. 716 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,960 Do you think that name refers 717 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,960 to the former assistant editor, Greg Miskiw? 718 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,960 No. Not to my knowledge, no. 719 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,960 Do you have any knowledge of Greg Miskiw ordering Glenn Mulcaire 720 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960 to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone? 721 00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,960 Are you telling me that you never ordered, 722 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,160 or were unaware of Greg Miskiw ordering, 723 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,960 Mr Mulcaire to tap my phone? 724 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,960 No. I had absolutely no knowledge of it, and I... 725 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,960 I-I certainly didn't instruct anyone to do anything of the type. 726 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,960 Interesting because Sean Hoare, in The New York Times... 727 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,960 ..stated that he played you hacked voicemails. 728 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,640 I remain confident there is no evidence 729 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960 to support Mr Hoare's accusations. That's my position. 730 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,960 Do you have any comment on why Mr Hoare 731 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,960 would have made those accusations? 732 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,960 You should ask Mr Hoare. 733 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,960 How bad was the culture at your newspaper? 734 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,960 I don't accept there was any culture 735 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,000 of phone hacking at the News of The World. 736 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,000 There was one unfortunate case involving Clive Goodman, 737 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,960 and no-one was more sorry about it than me. 738 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,960 And that's why I resigned. 739 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,960 'Tommy Sheridan?' 740 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,960 We got Miskiw's name out there. 741 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,960 It wasn't enough, but we're rattling Coulson's cage. 742 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,960 Well, let's see if this sends him over the edge. 743 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,960 This was lodged in the High Court this morning. 744 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960 Worth mentioning, in real life, he made me go to the courthouse 745 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,000 to pick this up myself. 746 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,800 Possibly not worth mentioning. 747 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,960 Mulcaire blagged her phone number. I changed my phone twice, 748 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,960 and somehow they always got it. 749 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960 It wasn't just her phone they were inside of. 750 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,960 They targeted Sienna's mother, her boyfriend, 751 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960 his assistant, her publicist. 752 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960 We analysed my itemised phone bills, and then we used them 753 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,320 to force the police to hand over calls made by Mulcaire. 754 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,960 The police were sitting on this information for four years, 755 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,960 I'll remind you. 756 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,960 John Yates, four years. 757 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,960 And then we linked them to the News Of The World stories. 758 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,960 There was a name that appeared in the top corner of Glenn's notes. 759 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960 A name we haven't had before? 760 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,960 A name that could change everything. Tell me the name! 761 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960 Ian Edmondson. Ian Edmondson? 762 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,960 He reported directly to Coulson. 763 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,960 Ian Edmondson is the current news editor 764 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960 of the News Of The World. 765 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160 MARIACHI BAND PLAYS 766 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,320 MUSIC CONTINUES 767 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,160 Just heard. Good work, Nick. 768 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,640 DOOR SLAMS, MUSIC STOPS 769 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,960 MUSIC CONTINUES 770 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,960 MUSIC STOPS, MOBILE BUZZES 771 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,960 Sheridan? 772 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,640 'Oh, Nick, they couldn't get through to you, 773 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,960 'so, well, I don't know how hard...' Is it the kids? 774 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,640 'No. No, no. Erm... 775 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,960 'It's about your father. 776 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960 'God, I'm so sorry, Nick.' 777 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,960 MOBILE BUZZES 778 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,480 Yeah, Graham? 779 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,960 'We found two crates in an old DPS office. 780 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,640 'A cleaner found them. 781 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,960 'It's old evidence on James Ward.' 782 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,960 But we told the judge we declared everything on Ward. 783 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,960 'I'm sorry.' 784 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,960 How bad is it? 785 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,800 Now this is the end, right? 786 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,800 Do you want the official answer or the honest answer? 787 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,960 We don't survive this. 788 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640 I don't understand. 789 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,960 How can they accuse us of withholding evidence 790 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,640 when you didn't even know that the crates existed? 791 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,960 It was a disused police building. 792 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960 Nothing to do with your team, right? Yeah. 793 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,960 The office was locked for years. Nobody knew anything about it. 794 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,000 But even if we could make the case 795 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,800 that we weren't withholding the files... 796 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,960 ..the contents... 797 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,960 the details about James Ward 798 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,160 that he didn't originally disclose to us... 799 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,480 If we'd have had the files earlier, 800 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,960 we may have been able to deal with it, but... 801 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,160 all of it together, it's... 802 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,640 Years and years and years - gone. 803 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,960 All because someone left some files in the wrong room. 804 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960 It's like everyone forgot. 805 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960 All the people in their court. 806 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,480 This was supposed to be about Daniel. 807 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,960 'The Lark Ascending' by Vaughan Williams 808 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,000 Hi. SOFT CHATTER 809 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,320 You OK? Yeah. 810 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,960 I really loved him. 811 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,000 I know. He was everything. 812 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,960 It was complicated, but I really loved him. 813 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,800 "The Lord is my Shepherd. I shall not want. 814 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,480 "He makes me lie down in green pastures, 815 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960 "He leads me beside still waters. 816 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,960 "He restores my soul, 817 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,960 "He leads me in right paths for His name's sake. 818 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,000 "Even though I walk through the darkest valley, 819 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,960 "I fear no evil, 820 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,800 "for You are with me, Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me. 821 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,960 "You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies. 822 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,960 "Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me 823 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,960 "all the days of my life, 824 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,960 "and I shall dwell in the house of the Lord my whole life long." 825 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,960 Hi. 826 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,960 On the 14th of January, 2011, Rebekah Brooks asked her secretary 827 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,960 to find somewhere discreet for her to meet Andy Coulson. 828 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,960 She did so the next day, at 7.45am, at the Halkin Hotel in Belgravia. 829 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,960 We don't know what Brooks said to Coulson during that meeting, 830 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960 but we do know that on the 21st of January, 831 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,960 Andy Coulson resigned. 832 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,960 He said, "Unfortunately, continued coverage of events 833 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,320 "connected to my old job..." 834 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,960 ..at the News Of The World 835 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,960 has made it difficult for me to give the 110% needed in this role. 836 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,640 I stand by what I said about those events. 837 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,960 But when a spokesman needs a spokesman, 838 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960 it's time to move on. Thank you. 839 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,640 Thank you. 840 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,960 This is the end of a long, 841 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,320 and as I am sure everyone associated with this case will agree, 842 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,960 exhausting road. 843 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,960 In all the years that I have been a judge, 844 00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,960 I have never come across a case 845 00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960 in which there have been so many issues 846 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960 or such complex issues to be resolved 847 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,160 before a trial could even get underway. 848 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:44,640 The family will inevitably be disappointed by the outcome. 849 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000 But they, I think, should be commended 850 00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,480 on the dignity with which they have faced these proceedings. 851 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960 Mr Rees, Mr Fillery, 852 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,960 Mr Glenn Vian, Mr Garry Vian, please stand. 853 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,960 You are free to go. SIGHING IN RELIEF 854 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960 Verdicts of not guilty have been entered 855 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,960 in all of your cases. 856 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,800 SOFT CHATTER 857 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,960 Thank you, all. 858 00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,960 Court rise. 859 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,960 Your dad. Yeah. 860 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,960 He was a nice man. You didn't know him. 861 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,960 You made him sound nice. 862 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,960 GULPS And... 863 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,960 ..to Andy Coulson. 864 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960 May he disappear and never come back. 865 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,800 I may as well tell you, we're reporting it... tomorrow. 866 00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,160 Murdoch's going for full control of BSkyB. 867 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,000 I did hear it was possible. 868 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,960 If he gets that, he'll be able to leverage a serious amount of debt. 869 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,960 Buy more, buy bigger. 870 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,320 We're talking world domination. 871 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,960 Why are you telling me this? 872 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,960 To remind you it's not over. 873 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,320 Remind me that they cut Coulson loose 874 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960 to save them their BSkyB business. 875 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,960 It's... It's all a false victory. Not false at all. 876 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,960 Dissection is a slow process. We tackle them... 877 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,960 ..one limb at a time, and eventually they run out of limbs. 878 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,960 Do they? 879 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,000 I'm tired, Alan. 880 00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,480 I wanna go home. Agreed. 881 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,960 We rest, we lick our wounds, we take stock. 882 00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960 No, I don't... 883 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,160 I... I don't think... I think, on this story, 884 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,960 I think you need to find someone to take over. 885 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,960 Sometimes you need to know when to stop. 886 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,960 SNIFFS 887 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960 It's time to stop. I need to stop. 888 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,320 Sorry. 889 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,960 EARS RINGING 890 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,480 KNOCKING ON DOOR, GASPS 891 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,960 And I thought a bit of fresh air might be in order. 892 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,960 No, I'm fine. You're not. 893 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,960 I'm all right. 894 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,960 No, you're not, mate. 895 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,160 There's someone I want you to meet. 896 00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,640 He helped me. I think he can help you. 897 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,160 Get showered, get dressed. Not leaving till you do it. 898 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,800 I'm serious. 899 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,960 OK. 900 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,960 MUFFLED VOICES 901 00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,960 Glen. 902 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,160 David Cook, Gordon Brown. Gordon Brown, David Cook. 903 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,960 I know a lot about you, DCS Cook. 904 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,960 I appreciate you coming all this way. 905 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,960 It's no problem. 906 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,960 I'm interested in hearing more about what's happened to you. 907 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,960 I, er... I think I might be able to help. 908 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 71032

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