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You just
wanna push up
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the people I've moved
here to get away from.
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I haven't spoken to not
one single one of 'em
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since I left there.
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And I don't want any
of them on my film!
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You don't understand.
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I do understand.
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Yeah.
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What the fuck is
wrong with that?
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Are you really gonna
hit me with the...
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I fucking well am!
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I'm gonna fucking put
you in hospital!
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- My God!
- Yes!
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Ginger Baker just hit
me in the fucking nose.
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This film is about
Ginger Baker,
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a man who stands for
something in life
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that probably most
of you do not.
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Love and appreciate,
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no matter how awkward this
character may appear to you.
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God bless him. May
the road rise.
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He helped me rise my road.
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Love you, Ginger. Johnny Rotten!
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I'm your man.
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Ginger Baker is a
motherfucker. That's it.
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He personally is what
drums are all about.
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He is certifiably
nuts. He's mad.
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I think he was kinda
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fairly consistently horrible
to people and to himself.
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If they've got a
problem with me,
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come and see me and punch
me on the nose.
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I ain't gonna sue you.
I'm gonna hit you back.
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He's
moved around the world,
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getting thrown out
of every country.
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He's a rogue. He's
a lovable rogue.
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He was a
fucking dope addict, man.
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He was into drugs heavily.
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Are you surprised
that he's still living?
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Yes, I am.
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If a plane went down and it
was one person gonna get off,
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it would be Ginger.
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He was like a scary
guy.
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When I would look at him,
he looked like the devil.
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The devil takes care
of its own, yes.
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Like a great
virtuoso madman.
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Maybe you have to be a little
mad to play the way he does.
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Probably the greatest drummer
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that any of us had ever heard.
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He was the hammer of the gods.
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He's a force of nature.
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The world's greatest drummer.
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He influenced me as a
drummer, but not as a person.
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Ginger Baker on drums!
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I was 26 years old,
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and my friend popped in a
DVD of this redheaded madman
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driving across the
Sahara Desert.
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My initial reaction was,
"This guy has to be dead."
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But I searched for his
name on the internet,
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- and, lo and behold, I
- found this article:
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"Ginger Baker vows to strip
in South African court
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to prove that woman
claiming to be his lover
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has never seen his cock
before."
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Not only was he still alive,
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but he's still a fucking
madman.
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I have to meet this guy.
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Ginger. Ginger.
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Hey, Ginger, it's Jay.
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Hey, it's Jay Bulger.
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I told him I was a writer
for Rolling Stone magazine,
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Which was a total lie.
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I wanna come and
write an article
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about your trip to Africa.
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But that was my in,
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and he invited me to come
down and hear his story.
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Oh, are you all right?
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Your dog got poisoned?
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Hey, feel better. I'll
call you on Wednesday.
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I'm coming out there, bye.
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And I flew to South Africa
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and just kinda showed
up at his house.
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Mr. Baker, nice to
finally meet you.
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Huh?
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Thanks for having me.
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Yeah.
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And I lived with him.
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It was a truly humbling
experience.
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Why don't you listen
to the fucking story?
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This is a fucking nightmare.
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Fucking my brain up.
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People zapper.
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I wrote an article,
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and it was published
in Rolling Stone.
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Thank you, Ginger Baker.
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He had gifted me with a
career as a journalist,
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but I owed him so much more
than just words on paper.
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People needed to meet the
man, hear him play the drums,
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and experience this legendary
character for themselves.
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Phew.
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As we enter into the
Ginger Baker compound.
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Okay, the laws of South
Africa, which are loose enough,
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no longer apply.
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My friends.
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- How are you?
- I'm great.
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Look, you got a smile
on your face.
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- You missed me!
- Yeah.
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You missed me! I can
see it in your eyes.
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So, you've been practicing
the drums?
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Haven't touched them?
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Haven't touched
them for months.
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Really?
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Meet Ginger Baker.
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Hello.
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The man, the myth, the legend.
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The only thing I can
say to that, really,
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is it's far too long a story
to say on one interview.
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I'm writing a book.
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When the book's published...
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Really?
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Read it, and perhaps
you'll understand.
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And when were you born?
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You know when I was born.
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It's in the book.
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Fuck the book.
We're not doing the book.
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It's the 19th of August, 1939,
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three weeks or so before
war was declared.
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My dad was a hero.
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He died when I was four
and a half years old.
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You don't see bombs dropping,
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'cause the siren goes off,
and you're in the shelter.
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You hear them.
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They used to go "bop,
bop, bop, bop, bop,"
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this funny little
clattering noise.
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And then the noise would stop,
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and they'd go [whistles]...
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When we went back to school,
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there were quite a few
empty desks, yeah.
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Yeah, the bombs going off,
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you know, to me was
great.
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I still love explosions
to this day, you know?
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You don't know, right.
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I love disasters.
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I was considered a troublemaker,
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a smart-ass, brainless child.
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I was part of this school gang,
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and we'd go in this record shop,
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and the other guys would
be nicking records.
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But I was a decoy.
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I'd just take records into
the booths and play 'em.
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And then one day,
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I heard "The Quintet of
the Year."
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I didn't even have a record
player, but I nicked it.
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All of a sudden,
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there was something that
I really could relate to.
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You know, Max on "The
Quintet of the Year"
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is just out of this
fucking world.
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My mom found the records,
and she went fucking crazy.
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Mom used to use
the strap on him,
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and it made no difference.
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I used to be in my bedroom,
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listening to him being
strapped and screaming.
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But it made no difference.
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She just said, "Look,
if ever I find you
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doing something dishonest
like this,
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I will call the police."
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So I wouldn't talk to
the gang anymore,
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and I got beaten up several
times by them.
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Started carving me up
with a razor blade
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with tape around it.
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They carved all these
lines all over my arms
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and my face and everything.
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I wasn't very popular when
I went back to school.
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It was about this time that
I'd got the letter from my dad.
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He wrote a letter for me
to be opened when I was 14.
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"My dear son, it's just
a little advice
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in the way I should like
you to turn out.
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Be a man at all times.
Hold your own ground.
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Use your fists. They are
your best pals so often.
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I remain your loving father."
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Before that, if people
used to punch me and that,
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I just used to cry and think,
"Why are they hitting me?"
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You know, I wouldn't retaliate.
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And I beat this kid up.
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I was gonna kill him.
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It's the Baker temper.
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I've learnt to control
it, but he hasn't.
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I was drumming all the time,
as long as I can remember.
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I was always banging
on the desks in school,
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and they were all just
boogiein' and dancin'
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and going crazy.
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There was a party, and
they had a band there.
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And all the kids from
school kept saying, "Go on.
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Go and play the drums.
Go and play the drums."
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And I just sat down,
and I could play.
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That's when a light went off,
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I went "Fuck, I'm a drummer."
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It's a gift from God, Jay.
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You've either got it
or you haven't.
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I had it.
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Had what?
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Time.
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Natural time.
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His drumbeat is so
personal that I always know,
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I always know if it's him.
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I started
doing quite well, I guess.
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I'd got a sort of reputation
as a jazz drummer.
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My boyfriend at the time said,
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"Oh, you wanna hear
this drummer.
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He's really great."
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She really could dance.
She had really good time.
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And a good body, obviously.
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He's always been insecure
deep down.
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And I think Ginger did
search for a father figure,
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but they were always a drummer.
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One night, I was playing the
all-nighter in the Flamingo,
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and I'd got offstage to
be confronted by God.
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Phil was just the most
amazing drummer.
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He's the only drummer
at that time
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that brought tears to my eyes.
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He said, "You're the first
fucking drummer I've heard here.
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Come with me."
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So we go down into
his basement flat,
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and that is when I got
introduced to heroin
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and the African drummers.
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He tied this thing around
his arm and told me,
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"When I tell you, undo it."
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And his arms were fucking
just a mass of scars
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and tracks and stuff.
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And he managed to hit a vein,
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and I pulled the thing
off, and he shot up.
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Then he gets out all these
African records
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and Watusi drummers.
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Gets out all these African
records and Watusi drummers.
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Phil said, "Where's the beat?"
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And I'm doing like a
three beat on it.
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And he said, "No,
no, no. Listen."
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And he played this four,
the real beat,
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and it was like a fucking
light going on it.
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Wow! The basic African
rhythms were so fucking cool.
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Then Phil's giving
me a great lecture
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about how I must never
touch heroin ever.
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And I walked back five
miles or something
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in the early-morning sunshine
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with Africa going
through my head.
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I think with Ginger
and the heroin,
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it was more he thought it
would improve his playing.
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You're fearless
if you use smack.
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You don't have any feelings.
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You're not scared of
anybody or anything.
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Whatever you wanted to
play, you played.
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It was just wonderful.
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He didn't want to
be a family man
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or anything like that,
really and truly.
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Liz discovered she
was pregnant,
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and we were only 20 years old.
256
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So she tried to get rid of it,
257
00:15:37,458 --> 00:15:39,155
and it didn't work, thank God.
258
00:15:39,286 --> 00:15:40,765
They didn't want
to have a child,
259
00:15:40,896 --> 00:15:42,811
And my mom took something,
some tablets.
260
00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:46,815
He got some tablets off another
drummer to get rid of me.
261
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I don't care.
262
00:15:49,078 --> 00:15:51,167
They would've been
doing me a bloody favor.
263
00:15:51,298 --> 00:15:53,953
But, no, I don't mind,
but it didn't work.
264
00:15:54,083 --> 00:15:56,172
No screaming
or anything.
265
00:15:56,303 --> 00:15:57,652
The baby come out.
266
00:15:57,782 --> 00:15:59,306
And I'm carefully looking
267
00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:01,873
to make sure it's got all its
toes and fingers and stuff,
268
00:16:02,004 --> 00:16:03,788
you know, thinking
about the time
269
00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:08,010
we tried to abort it and stuff.
270
00:16:08,141 --> 00:16:10,534
There was this little kid.
271
00:16:10,665 --> 00:16:14,408
And that's when I decided
to get straight,
272
00:16:14,538 --> 00:16:17,889
and it took me another
fuckin' 19 years or so.
273
00:16:19,108 --> 00:16:20,414
So, what's
the difference
274
00:16:20,544 --> 00:16:23,243
between your state of
chemical dependencies now
275
00:16:23,373 --> 00:16:25,158
than it was when you
were a junkie?
276
00:16:25,288 --> 00:16:26,420
I've no idea.
277
00:16:28,335 --> 00:16:30,554
I take it every day.
278
00:16:30,685 --> 00:16:34,341
It's called degenerative
osteoarthritis.
279
00:16:34,471 --> 00:16:36,517
Is that why you
haven't been playing the drums?
280
00:16:36,647 --> 00:16:37,474
What?
281
00:16:39,868 --> 00:16:42,697
Don't you... fuck... how
I restrain myself
282
00:16:42,827 --> 00:16:46,657
from throwing everything
at you, Jay, I don't know.
283
00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:50,313
There's nothing you can
do about it, is there?
284
00:16:54,361 --> 00:16:56,015
You're not
gonna give up?
285
00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:00,193
Sometimes I feel like
doing just that.
286
00:17:12,727 --> 00:17:14,468
When you first
met Jack Bruce,
287
00:17:14,598 --> 00:17:18,994
was it as if you knew you had
met your musical counterpart?
288
00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:21,083
Early on, for sure, yeah.
289
00:17:22,389 --> 00:17:25,914
I mean, he's a fuckin'
brilliant player.
290
00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:28,525
There's no doubt about that.
291
00:17:28,656 --> 00:17:31,702
Ginger looked like a
complete and utter madman.
292
00:17:31,833 --> 00:17:33,443
He was the loudest drummer
I'd ever heard.
293
00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:34,792
And I wanted to play with him,
294
00:17:34,923 --> 00:17:37,230
so I asked if I could sit in.
295
00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,841
Kept bugging us to sit in,
296
00:17:39,971 --> 00:17:41,930
and he wouldn't fuckin' go away.
297
00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:43,540
So, of course, they
did the thing
298
00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:47,544
that jazz musicians always do,
which is to try and cut you.
299
00:17:47,675 --> 00:17:50,025
I think the first thing they
played was very, very fast.
300
00:17:50,156 --> 00:17:53,855
And he played it.
301
00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:56,118
Which is quite extraordinary.
302
00:17:56,249 --> 00:18:00,818
Jack got the gig with Alexis
Korner's Blues Incorporated,
303
00:18:00,949 --> 00:18:04,692
and none of 'em were terribly
happy with the drummer,
304
00:18:04,822 --> 00:18:06,824
who was Charlie Watts.
305
00:18:06,955 --> 00:18:09,262
I actually don't know how
long Ginger was with the band.
306
00:18:09,392 --> 00:18:14,093
I know he took over for
me, on my recommendation.
307
00:18:14,223 --> 00:18:17,922
Charlie left the band
so that I could join.
308
00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:23,667
Can you tell me
the story of Mick Jagger?
309
00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:26,931
- Can you tell me...
- "Can you tell me
310
00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:30,326
what it was like meeting
Mick Jagger?"
311
00:18:31,675 --> 00:18:36,550
This effeminate-looking kid
got up and sung one number.
312
00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,901
And I'm going, "Jack, who
is this stupid little cunt?
313
00:18:40,031 --> 00:18:42,121
What's he doing here?"
314
00:18:42,251 --> 00:18:44,819
Jack and I used to put
some jazz things in,
315
00:18:45,907 --> 00:18:48,692
completely throw him off.
316
00:18:48,823 --> 00:18:51,565
I mean, I was a heavy
junkie at the time,
317
00:18:51,695 --> 00:18:56,004
so I just terrified the
shit out of him.
318
00:18:56,135 --> 00:19:00,051
And then Alexis decided
to get Graham in the band.
319
00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:02,663
My first reaction to
that was, "Fucking no.
320
00:19:02,793 --> 00:19:05,840
Alexis, watch it, 'cause
he'll steal half the band,"
321
00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:08,016
which is exactly what he did.
322
00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:09,409
Can you contextualize
323
00:19:09,539 --> 00:19:10,584
who we're speaking
about right now?
324
00:19:10,714 --> 00:19:13,239
Well, I've just said
it, for fuck's sake.
325
00:19:13,369 --> 00:19:14,805
You just said
"Graham." That's it.
326
00:19:14,936 --> 00:19:16,633
People who don't know
who Graham is.
327
00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,856
Graham Bond was a fat guy.
328
00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:27,253
♪ Well, I was standing on the
Corner, waiting to go home ♪
329
00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:30,691
♪ When I heard this sound
That made me wanna go ♪
330
00:19:30,821 --> 00:19:34,085
♪ Well, it was comin' from
A doss across the street ♪
331
00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:37,567
♪ It was kinda stompy,
With an R&B beat ♪
332
00:19:37,698 --> 00:19:39,569
♪ It went harmonica, oh ♪
333
00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:43,094
Graham Bond Organization
was, to musicians,
334
00:19:43,225 --> 00:19:45,184
what The Beatles were
to the public.
335
00:19:45,314 --> 00:19:46,620
Brilliant.
336
00:19:46,750 --> 00:19:48,970
Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker,
Dick Heckstall-Smith,
337
00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:51,538
and Graham Bond were at the top.
338
00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:55,150
We were a band trying to
be like a band in Chicago.
339
00:19:55,281 --> 00:19:57,413
But they were something
else, you know?
340
00:19:57,544 --> 00:19:59,459
♪ Playin' with an R&B band ♪
341
00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:00,677
♪ Oh, yeah ♪
342
00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:02,549
His reputation was
as being, you know,
343
00:20:02,679 --> 00:20:05,247
probably the best drummer
around in those days.
344
00:20:05,378 --> 00:20:09,251
It was really Ginger's
first taste of fame, yes.
345
00:20:09,382 --> 00:20:10,818
It's the same with
you, Ginger.
346
00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:12,515
This is beat.
347
00:20:13,908 --> 00:20:16,911
Don't worry about splitting
your skins.
348
00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:18,478
They can be replaced.
349
00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:21,829
And so can you.
350
00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:23,787
They did sort of contain
351
00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:26,094
the seeds of their
own destruction,
352
00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,314
what with Graham and
Ginger's bad habits
353
00:20:28,444 --> 00:20:31,186
and the conflict between
Jack and Ginger.
354
00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:32,622
For two musicians
355
00:20:32,753 --> 00:20:35,364
who were incredibly
complementary to each other
356
00:20:35,495 --> 00:20:38,062
and who have played
consistently over the years,
357
00:20:38,193 --> 00:20:43,154
it's really remarkable how
well they didn't get along.
358
00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:47,333
It was a very sad
situation, really.
359
00:20:47,463 --> 00:20:51,206
In the early days, when
he was following me more,
360
00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:53,861
the music was really
fucking great.
361
00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:57,343
When I switched
from upright bass to bass
guitar,
362
00:20:57,473 --> 00:21:00,041
that wasn't what Ginger wanted.
363
00:21:00,171 --> 00:21:02,739
I think that was when
the problems started.
364
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:04,959
Jack's like a guy who gets up
365
00:21:05,829 --> 00:21:09,398
before the sun comes
to see the sun rise.
366
00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:12,532
He sees the sun come
halfway over the horizon
367
00:21:12,662 --> 00:21:15,099
and runs home and says,
"I've seen the sun rise."
368
00:21:17,058 --> 00:21:21,541
That was how Jack got
the time things
369
00:21:21,671 --> 00:21:22,890
that I was showing him.
370
00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:26,763
He didn't get the full picture.
371
00:21:26,894 --> 00:21:27,851
I have perfect time,
372
00:21:27,982 --> 00:21:30,419
which is a quite useful
thing to have.
373
00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:31,986
Very few people have that.
374
00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:34,423
It's just a gift.
375
00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:37,818
The last number was
always the drum solo.
376
00:21:37,948 --> 00:21:40,647
And I've kicked into
the drum solo,
377
00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:43,476
and Jack's, like,
playing with me.
378
00:21:43,606 --> 00:21:44,825
Why would I do that?
379
00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:47,088
I wouldn't be playing
during his drum solo.
380
00:21:47,218 --> 00:21:50,439
And I offloaded a right-hander
on him.
381
00:21:52,093 --> 00:21:54,661
He went down on the ground,
and I'm kicking him.
382
00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:57,011
You know, "Get up,
you little cunt!"
383
00:21:57,141 --> 00:21:59,230
I was kicking the
shit out of him.
384
00:22:03,017 --> 00:22:06,716
I just let go, and I was
gonna kick him to death.
385
00:22:06,847 --> 00:22:10,503
And then he pulled
a knife on me and said, "You're
fired."
386
00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:11,765
And I said, "But you
can't fire me.
387
00:22:11,895 --> 00:22:13,680
It's The Graham Bond
Organization,
388
00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:15,464
and I'm the founding member."
389
00:22:15,595 --> 00:22:16,770
But poor old Graham,
390
00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:19,033
he was well gone into
smack by that time,
391
00:22:19,163 --> 00:22:20,904
so he didn't really care.
392
00:22:21,035 --> 00:22:23,646
Graham was probably
a bigger disaster area
393
00:22:23,777 --> 00:22:24,647
than Ginger was.
394
00:22:25,822 --> 00:22:28,042
We'd be using a mixture
of cocaine, heroin,
395
00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:32,263
and lysergic acid in
a fix.
396
00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:35,876
I was very hurt by not
the knife thing, I didn't,
397
00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:40,097
but the fact that I was
out of that band.
398
00:22:41,229 --> 00:22:42,491
And it was very stupid of him,
399
00:22:42,622 --> 00:22:44,667
because the band was doing well,
400
00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:48,236
and I was quite an
important part of the band.
401
00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:52,196
The band continued being
very successful
402
00:22:52,327 --> 00:22:54,938
and just reached a point
where I thought,
403
00:22:55,069 --> 00:22:59,290
"I've been running the band
successfully for three years.
404
00:23:00,335 --> 00:23:03,817
Why don't I run my
own band instead?"
405
00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:20,268
The first person I thought
of was Eric.
406
00:23:28,276 --> 00:23:31,279
He saw something in me
that I never saw before.
407
00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,020
He would say it was about time.
408
00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:36,980
He had time that very
few people have.
409
00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:38,634
Eric had it.
410
00:23:38,765 --> 00:23:41,463
Ginger was pretty
dismissive and antisocial.
411
00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:43,422
Seriously antisocial.
412
00:23:43,552 --> 00:23:45,380
But he had the gift.
413
00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:48,557
He had the spark, the
flair, the panache.
414
00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,516
He had it in spades.
415
00:23:50,646 --> 00:23:52,518
And Jack had the same thing.
416
00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:56,304
He said, "What about
Jack as the bass player?"
417
00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:58,915
And all the red lights
in the world went off,
418
00:23:59,046 --> 00:24:01,440
and I thought, "Oh, God."
419
00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:05,095
I was very surprised when
he came knocking again.
420
00:24:05,226 --> 00:24:06,662
I didn't see that coming, no.
421
00:24:06,793 --> 00:24:08,882
I didn't expect that, no.
422
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:16,280
♪ Feel when I dance with you ♪
423
00:24:16,411 --> 00:24:21,416
♪ We move like the sea ♪
424
00:24:21,851 --> 00:24:25,202
♪ I feel free ♪
425
00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:29,685
♪ I can walk down the street,
There's no one there ♪
426
00:24:29,816 --> 00:24:32,340
♪ Though the pavements
Are one huge crowd ♪
427
00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:35,038
♪ I can drive down the
Road, my eyes don't see ♪
428
00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:37,954
♪ Though my mind wants
To cry out loud ♪
429
00:24:38,085 --> 00:24:39,478
♪ Ah ♪
430
00:24:39,608 --> 00:24:41,915
When an atomic
bomb went off like that,
431
00:24:42,045 --> 00:24:44,221
like I think Cream really
represented,
432
00:24:44,352 --> 00:24:46,397
it overwhelmed everything.
433
00:24:56,146 --> 00:24:59,149
When Hendrix came to England,
he wanted to jam with Cream,
434
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,891
because there was nobody
else that he admired as much.
435
00:25:02,326 --> 00:25:05,025
They were the beginning
of many, many things.
436
00:25:05,155 --> 00:25:07,027
Cream absolutely
might be called
437
00:25:07,157 --> 00:25:07,854
the first progressive band.
438
00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:09,159
The first supergroup.
439
00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:11,684
The first band that
played in big arenas.
440
00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:13,076
The first jam band.
441
00:25:13,207 --> 00:25:16,079
They were breaking out
of the chains of pop.
442
00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:23,870
♪ And you see a girl's ♪
443
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,480
We were fucking good.
444
00:25:25,611 --> 00:25:27,917
That's how we called
ourselves Cream.
445
00:25:28,048 --> 00:25:31,573
We knew we were the three
best musicians around.
446
00:25:31,704 --> 00:25:33,749
If Cream did not invent
heavy metal,
447
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,970
they certainly were part
of a band of brothers
448
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:39,886
that were very instrumental
in facilitating it.
449
00:25:40,016 --> 00:25:44,412
The birth of heavy metal
should've been aborted.
450
00:25:45,892 --> 00:25:47,633
He was really at the forefront
451
00:25:47,763 --> 00:25:50,723
of a complete revolution
of rock.
452
00:25:58,426 --> 00:25:59,732
It's hard
to find fault with the notion
453
00:25:59,862 --> 00:26:01,908
that he was the pioneer
of a rock drummer.
454
00:26:02,038 --> 00:26:04,911
There was no context for
him. There was no archetype.
455
00:26:05,041 --> 00:26:06,434
He is the archetype.
456
00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,175
Before Ginger, rhythm was,
457
00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:09,916
"Ting, ting, ting-ting,
ting, ting-ting."
458
00:26:10,481 --> 00:26:12,614
And Ginger comes along
with "Dug-a-dug-dug,
459
00:26:12,745 --> 00:26:15,312
dug-a-dug-dug,
Dug-dug-dug-a-dug"
460
00:26:15,443 --> 00:26:19,447
♪ I'll be with you,
Darling, soon ♪
461
00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:24,539
♪ I'll be with you when
The stars start falling ♪
462
00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:28,717
♪ I've been waiting so long ♪
463
00:26:28,848 --> 00:26:33,026
♪ To be where I'm goin' ♪
464
00:26:33,156 --> 00:26:36,986
♪ In the sunshine of
Your love ♪
465
00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:44,907
When he was
listening to music as a kid,
466
00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:46,561
he wasn't listening
to the Jimi Hendrix
467
00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:49,042
and guitar-hero bands and so on.
468
00:26:49,172 --> 00:26:50,434
He invented all that stuff.
469
00:26:50,565 --> 00:26:51,740
Jack brought it in as going,
470
00:26:51,871 --> 00:26:54,438
"Diddle-a-di-di,
di-di-da-dee-dee, diddle,"
471
00:26:54,569 --> 00:26:56,005
dingbat, ditty bat.
472
00:26:56,136 --> 00:26:58,399
That's where Jack's
head is writing.
473
00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:01,794
And I said, "Man,
that's terrible.
474
00:27:01,924 --> 00:27:05,406
Why don't you slow it down
and play it backwards?"
475
00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:09,018
Ba-da-da-da, ba-ba-ba...
476
00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:14,067
Another one is "White Room,"
the 5/4 bolero that makes it.
477
00:27:15,677 --> 00:27:19,333
Da, bum-bum-bum-bum,
bum-bum-bum, da.
478
00:27:19,463 --> 00:27:20,551
Wasn't written like that.
479
00:27:20,682 --> 00:27:22,989
Jack wrote it in 4/4.
480
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,818
He now declares, "I
wrote it in 5/4."
481
00:27:25,948 --> 00:27:27,210
I mean, hello?
482
00:27:27,341 --> 00:27:31,345
♪ In the white room with
Black curtains ♪
483
00:27:31,475 --> 00:27:35,001
♪ In the station ♪
484
00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:40,093
Today, and for the last,
how long is it now, 40 years,
485
00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:44,619
Pete Brown and Jack
Bruce have been earning
486
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:47,448
a hell of a lot more
money from Cream
487
00:27:49,189 --> 00:27:52,975
than Eric and I will
ever earn, to this day.
488
00:27:53,106 --> 00:27:55,108
The guy who gets the
credit for writing the song
489
00:27:55,238 --> 00:27:57,806
is the guy who writes the
lyric gets half of it,
490
00:27:57,937 --> 00:28:00,200
and the guy who writes
the melody of the lyric
491
00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:01,288
gets the other half.
492
00:28:01,418 --> 00:28:04,204
The drums are part of
the arrangement,
493
00:28:04,334 --> 00:28:05,858
and the arrangement doesn't
get royalties.
494
00:28:05,988 --> 00:28:06,989
Zip, nada.
495
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,774
Cream was my thing.
496
00:28:08,904 --> 00:28:12,168
And it did exactly what
I planned it to do.
497
00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:15,694
Only I'm the guy who
lost out on it.
498
00:28:15,824 --> 00:28:17,957
I'm fucking broke right now.
499
00:28:18,087 --> 00:28:21,221
♪ Run from themselves ♪
500
00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,407
To Jack
Bruce's counterpoint,
501
00:28:33,537 --> 00:28:35,104
he gives rhythm,
502
00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:37,759
and to Eric Clapton's technical
virtuosity, he gives shape.
503
00:28:37,890 --> 00:28:40,631
On their first tour together,
he practiced so intensively
504
00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,590
that he left behind him
a trail of hotel bills
505
00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:43,852
for broken furniture.
506
00:28:43,983 --> 00:28:46,550
We asked him if he
still practiced as much.
507
00:28:46,681 --> 00:28:50,163
No, I don't practice at all.
508
00:28:50,293 --> 00:28:51,164
Not at all?
509
00:28:51,294 --> 00:28:53,340
I used to, but
I don't anymore.
510
00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:55,342
I just used to play solos.
511
00:28:55,472 --> 00:28:59,650
Just used to sit on the drum
kit and play it all day.
512
00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:01,217
Can you show us some?
513
00:29:01,348 --> 00:29:03,306
- You want me to play?
- Please.
514
00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:06,701
At this
time of the day.
515
00:29:20,323 --> 00:29:24,501
Independence, the
ability to play a different
thing
516
00:29:24,632 --> 00:29:25,851
with all four limbs,
517
00:29:27,243 --> 00:29:29,942
which is how I play things
that sound incredibly fast
518
00:29:30,072 --> 00:29:32,858
when I'm not actually
moving anything very fast.
519
00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:36,600
Because all four beats are
landing in a different place,
520
00:29:36,731 --> 00:29:41,562
so what comes out is four
times as fast.
521
00:29:41,692 --> 00:29:44,870
But it's not how fast you play,
522
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,654
it's what you say.
523
00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:56,882
Ginger Baker's most
notable achievement
524
00:29:57,012 --> 00:30:00,059
that should be recognized
is the first rock drum solo.
525
00:30:00,189 --> 00:30:02,539
And me as a 15-year-old
kid at the time was like,
526
00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:04,324
"Yeah, yeah, that's the
rock drummer I wanna be."
527
00:30:04,454 --> 00:30:05,586
I must've been 16.
528
00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:07,414
I was exactly at the sweet spot
529
00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:10,721
where my brain clicked on and
said, "What's it all about?"
530
00:30:10,852 --> 00:30:11,984
It was Ginger's drums.
531
00:30:12,114 --> 00:30:13,681
I'm here today because
of Ginger,
532
00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,727
because he was the absolute
inspiration
533
00:30:16,858 --> 00:30:19,687
for me being in a band,
playing the drums.
534
00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:20,862
I absolutely thought,
535
00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:23,038
"You know, that's what
I'd like to be."
536
00:30:32,743 --> 00:30:34,093
It became Ginger's
thing.
537
00:30:34,223 --> 00:30:36,356
He'd do these very
long drum solos.
538
00:30:37,792 --> 00:30:39,185
You either liked them
or you didn't like them.
539
00:30:39,315 --> 00:30:41,448
I liked them because
I could go off
540
00:30:41,578 --> 00:30:42,753
and have a smoke, you know?
541
00:30:42,884 --> 00:30:44,538
Cream, how
popular were they?
542
00:30:44,668 --> 00:30:46,453
Oh, huge, huge.
543
00:30:46,583 --> 00:30:48,020
How huge is "huge"?
544
00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:49,543
Well, they did three nights
in Madison Square Garden.
545
00:30:49,673 --> 00:30:52,198
They could've done two weeks
and sold out every night.
546
00:30:53,329 --> 00:30:55,288
When a promoter
hired The Cream,
547
00:30:55,418 --> 00:30:58,726
Ginger wanted a case of
beer and two black hookers
548
00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:01,468
and a white limo or
he wouldn't play.
549
00:31:01,598 --> 00:31:03,122
I've been in hotel rooms,
550
00:31:03,252 --> 00:31:04,427
and there's been a
knock on the door.
551
00:31:04,558 --> 00:31:05,907
I've opened the door,
552
00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:08,301
and there's been three
groupies all standing there.
553
00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:10,738
Just queues of chicks
waiting.
554
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,567
One would knock on the
door and climb into bed.
555
00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:16,309
We used to call 'em
"star fuckers."
556
00:31:16,439 --> 00:31:18,050
You know, they'd come
and say like,
557
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:20,487
"I'd like to give you a
blowjob and see you come."
558
00:31:20,617 --> 00:31:24,578
Yeah, they all wanted
to fuck Cream, you know?
559
00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:28,538
It was quite a rapid
rise to fame.
560
00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:31,454
I don't know whether it
was too fast for Ginger.
561
00:31:31,585 --> 00:31:33,152
I didn't really care.
562
00:31:33,282 --> 00:31:36,633
We'd lived in a succession
of not very nice places.
563
00:31:36,764 --> 00:31:37,896
And then for once, we thought,
564
00:31:38,026 --> 00:31:41,638
"Oh, we can actually
buy a house of our own."
565
00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:43,162
The family at home
566
00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:47,209
was something totally
separate from being on tour.
567
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:50,299
His dad died when
he was four or something like
that.
568
00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:55,435
So he didn't really have
someone, a role-model father.
569
00:31:55,696 --> 00:31:57,698
He communicates more
through his drums
570
00:31:57,828 --> 00:31:59,656
than through his words.
571
00:32:00,701 --> 00:32:04,357
I told my wife long
before we were married,
572
00:32:04,487 --> 00:32:05,401
you know, "If you
get me to choose
573
00:32:05,532 --> 00:32:08,187
between the drums and you,
574
00:32:08,317 --> 00:32:11,755
I'm gonna choose the
drums."
575
00:32:11,886 --> 00:32:14,280
We had no other interest.
576
00:32:14,410 --> 00:32:15,672
There was nothing else going on.
577
00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,674
There was no family.
578
00:32:17,805 --> 00:32:20,373
There was no desires
for success.
579
00:32:20,503 --> 00:32:23,463
There was no commerciality
involved.
580
00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:25,160
There was no responsibility
581
00:32:25,291 --> 00:32:27,554
other than to that unique
moment in time
582
00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:28,816
when we were together.
583
00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:31,471
And for a short, sweet
period of time,
584
00:32:31,601 --> 00:32:35,475
it was unfettered and
extreme and beautiful.
585
00:32:35,605 --> 00:32:36,998
They were like
Vikings.
586
00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:38,478
You know, they just
came on our shore
587
00:32:38,608 --> 00:32:40,959
and just took the women
and the children,
588
00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,438
and it was scorched earth.
589
00:32:42,569 --> 00:32:44,136
There was no question about it.
590
00:32:44,266 --> 00:32:46,181
They were here to take heads.
591
00:32:46,312 --> 00:32:50,881
We went there to show
the Yanks how to play.
592
00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:52,883
I saw them when they
first came to San Francisco.
593
00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:56,322
They looked and sounded
like giants.
594
00:32:56,452 --> 00:33:01,196
They took off and started
playing supersonic music.
595
00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:05,853
And supersonic music is when
the Holy Ghost takes over
596
00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:08,899
and you're playing something
that, when you hear it back,
597
00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:10,945
you have no idea what
the hell you did.
598
00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:50,637
There was something
599
00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:53,074
about that little chemistry
that we had,
600
00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:55,207
Ginger and me and Eric.
601
00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:57,992
It'll never be repeated
by anybody else.
602
00:33:58,123 --> 00:34:01,865
Cream, they were together
shorter than our last tour.
603
00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:02,953
You know, we've been on the road
604
00:34:03,084 --> 00:34:05,043
for two years and two months.
605
00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,915
That's two months longer
than their entire life-span.
606
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:09,395
Sam Kinison would say,
607
00:34:09,525 --> 00:34:12,137
"I've had parties that
lasted more than two years."
608
00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:14,008
♪ We ♪
609
00:34:18,578 --> 00:34:20,754
Cream only
lasted as long as it did
610
00:34:20,884 --> 00:34:23,322
because it was so popular.
611
00:34:23,452 --> 00:34:27,108
I just couldn't handle
working with Jack anymore.
612
00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:29,328
Whatever energy
was happening
613
00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:33,027
between Jack Bruce
and Ginger Baker
614
00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:38,032
also mounted Eric to play beyond
615
00:34:38,163 --> 00:34:39,947
what he was playing
with John Mayall
616
00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:42,341
or, later on, all the
other bands that he played.
617
00:34:42,471 --> 00:34:44,386
They focused on one
another all the time
618
00:34:44,517 --> 00:34:47,259
for their aggression
and their frustrations,
619
00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:48,564
and it wore me out.
620
00:34:48,695 --> 00:34:51,611
I remember Eric breaking
down in tears once.
621
00:34:51,741 --> 00:34:54,135
That was
not very good.
622
00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:55,963
Sorry, Eric.
623
00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:57,530
From time to time,
I would break down,
624
00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,532
and just go, "I can't
stand this anymore."
625
00:34:59,662 --> 00:35:01,708
'Cause I was really
on the sidelines,
626
00:35:01,838 --> 00:35:03,797
and I knew I couldn't
affect anything,
627
00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:07,105
because I didn't have
the understanding
628
00:35:07,235 --> 00:35:09,585
or the power to be able
to do anything about it.
629
00:35:09,716 --> 00:35:11,413
You'd just run.
630
00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:14,547
And, you know, when Cream, I
thought, had run its course,
631
00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:16,026
I was quite keen to
get outta there
632
00:35:16,157 --> 00:35:18,028
and have a break, really.
633
00:35:22,903 --> 00:35:25,079
A banger. You know, a
firework, whatever you call them.
634
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:26,428
Cracker or whatever.
635
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,387
They only last a second,
don't they,
636
00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:30,780
and they fizzle up and
burn up and that's it.
637
00:35:30,911 --> 00:35:33,696
It's all dead and gone.
And the band was like that.
638
00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:36,569
They were never, ever gonna
be a long-lasting band.
639
00:35:37,613 --> 00:35:40,573
♪ We're going wrong ♪
640
00:35:56,502 --> 00:35:57,372
Hello, Bonnie.
641
00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:07,426
Good boy.
642
00:36:07,556 --> 00:36:10,646
Mimosa, don't be scared
of the camera.
643
00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:18,350
You're a soldier boy,
aren't you? Huh?
644
00:36:20,656 --> 00:36:22,745
Big old, tough soldier boy.
645
00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:32,712
Eric and I decided that
we wanted to get together
646
00:36:32,842 --> 00:36:35,671
with this project
with Blind Faith.
647
00:36:35,802 --> 00:36:37,325
And
648
00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:42,548
Ginger showed up.
649
00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:47,770
I just hit it off musically
with Stevie
650
00:36:47,901 --> 00:36:51,121
in the same way as I
had hit off with Eric.
651
00:36:51,252 --> 00:36:54,037
Stevie had time.
652
00:36:54,168 --> 00:36:57,563
I actually didn't realize
until quite a bit later
653
00:36:57,693 --> 00:37:00,130
that Eric was so horrified
654
00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:04,309
that he was hooking up
with Ginger again.
655
00:37:04,439 --> 00:37:06,789
The last person
that Eric wanted on drums
656
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,618
with his new venture was Ginger.
657
00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:14,014
I believe he turned up at a
rehearsal and said, "Right.
658
00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:15,798
Where do we start?"
659
00:37:21,804 --> 00:37:24,198
♪ It's already written ♪
660
00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:29,247
♪ That today will be
One to remember ♪
661
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,905
♪ The feeling's the same ♪
662
00:37:36,036 --> 00:37:40,997
♪ As being outside of the law ♪
663
00:37:45,872 --> 00:37:49,745
♪ Had to cry today ♪
664
00:37:49,876 --> 00:37:54,881
♪ Ooh ♪
665
00:37:55,621 --> 00:38:01,540
♪ Saw your sign, and
I missed you then ♪
666
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:03,585
We were called a
supergroup from day one.
667
00:38:03,716 --> 00:38:05,935
We hit the road too early.
668
00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:08,198
And, you know, it
overpowered us.
669
00:38:10,549 --> 00:38:13,291
I think Ginger was
as happy as a pig in shit
670
00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:14,466
in Blind Faith.
671
00:38:14,814 --> 00:38:17,207
You know, there was no
one, there was Rick Grech,
672
00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:22,387
great player, you know,
but no Jack Bruce.
673
00:38:22,517 --> 00:38:24,824
And Ginger could fucking
do what he wants.
674
00:38:24,954 --> 00:38:28,828
♪ Do what ♪
675
00:38:28,958 --> 00:38:31,134
♪ You like ♪
676
00:38:36,139 --> 00:38:41,101
I was driving a Shelby Cobra
up the coast to Los Angeles
677
00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:44,147
with three gorgeous
chicks in the car.
678
00:38:44,278 --> 00:38:47,020
And the radio station
stopped the music
679
00:38:47,977 --> 00:38:52,417
with the news that Ginger
Baker, Blind Faith drummer,
680
00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:55,463
had just been found dead
in his hotel room
681
00:38:55,594 --> 00:38:58,858
from a heroin overdose.
682
00:39:00,642 --> 00:39:03,471
And I went, "Fucking hell. I
must be in heaven," you know?
683
00:39:03,602 --> 00:39:08,128
I'm driving this supercar with
three super chicks.
684
00:39:10,435 --> 00:39:13,220
There was huge amounts
of drugs,
685
00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:18,268
which at the time, I must admit,
I didn't really know about,
686
00:39:18,834 --> 00:39:21,228
because I was probably
smoking so much weed,
687
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,187
I didn't really know
what was going on anyway.
688
00:39:24,318 --> 00:39:29,236
Every time we got to Los
Angeles, the drugs would appear,
689
00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:34,415
so I decided to go to
Hawaii after the tour
690
00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:37,070
to try and get straight.
691
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,378
So Liz come out with the kids.
692
00:39:40,508 --> 00:39:43,424
Considering all the places
we've left him before,
693
00:39:43,555 --> 00:39:46,035
I have to say it was marvelous.
694
00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:54,566
♪ You are the reason I've
Been waiting so long ♪
695
00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:59,353
♪ Somebody holds the key ♪
696
00:39:59,484 --> 00:40:02,269
♪ Well, I'm near the end ♪
697
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,361
♪ And I just ain't
Got the time ♪
698
00:40:08,884 --> 00:40:10,669
♪ And I'm wasted ♪
699
00:40:10,799 --> 00:40:14,673
♪ And I can't find
my way home ♪
700
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,066
Only at that time,
701
00:40:17,197 --> 00:40:19,068
there was more heroin on Hawaii
702
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,506
than there was in Los Angeles.
703
00:40:21,636 --> 00:40:24,857
It wasn't a good place
to be to get straight.
704
00:40:24,987 --> 00:40:27,381
So we decided to go to Jamaica.
705
00:40:28,338 --> 00:40:31,167
That's when I flew my car out.
706
00:40:31,298 --> 00:40:35,215
That is wild, to fly
your car over to Jamaica.
707
00:40:36,129 --> 00:40:37,826
That's crazy.
708
00:40:37,957 --> 00:40:42,396
You get to feel that the
money is inexhaustible,
709
00:40:42,527 --> 00:40:43,963
which, of course, it isn't.
710
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,271
It was like nearly three
months after the last gig
711
00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:51,492
That I came back to London.
712
00:40:51,623 --> 00:40:53,538
I'd brought back quite
a lot of dope
713
00:40:53,668 --> 00:40:55,496
in some masks and stuff.
714
00:40:55,627 --> 00:40:57,672
And so I went to see Stevie
715
00:40:57,803 --> 00:41:01,284
with a bag of grass as
a little present.
716
00:41:01,415 --> 00:41:04,592
And he told me that
Eric had gone off
717
00:41:04,723 --> 00:41:07,290
with Delaney and Bonnie,
718
00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:09,423
and he was getting Traffic
back together.
719
00:41:10,511 --> 00:41:13,340
I take full responsibility
for having,
720
00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:15,864
you know, strong interests
in going somewhere else.
721
00:41:15,995 --> 00:41:20,565
But they wouldn't have
been quite so strong
722
00:41:20,695 --> 00:41:23,524
if the core of the band
had been better.
723
00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:24,699
Were you hurt at all
724
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:26,701
that Eric had left without
telling you?
725
00:41:28,268 --> 00:41:30,444
No, you could see it comin'.
726
00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:32,751
Something to do with
me getting so fucked up
727
00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:34,404
on the end of the tour.
728
00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:38,496
He's the best friend
I've got on this planet,
729
00:41:39,758 --> 00:41:42,195
and always will be, okay?
730
00:41:43,805 --> 00:41:47,113
Whether it be polo
or the drums or drugs,
731
00:41:47,243 --> 00:41:50,420
Ginger seems to always
go full force
732
00:41:50,551 --> 00:41:52,510
into whatever he's doing.
733
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,816
Compulsion. We're
talking about compulsion.
734
00:41:56,905 --> 00:42:01,083
You know, what's the
payoff in being compulsive?
735
00:42:01,214 --> 00:42:05,827
You know, for Ginger, I'm not
gonna be his doctor in this
736
00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:08,526
or psychologist or
make a diagnosis.
737
00:42:08,656 --> 00:42:11,398
I can't make a diagnosis
of Ginger, 'cause I don't...
738
00:42:13,008 --> 00:42:14,227
When I was driving in today,
739
00:42:14,357 --> 00:42:18,405
I thought, "Well, do I
know Ginger well? Do I?"
740
00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:22,452
I've been with him in
fairly rarefied situations,
741
00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:25,281
which have allowed me to
see certain sides of him.
742
00:42:25,412 --> 00:42:28,197
I probably haven't seen
him like you've seen him,
743
00:42:28,328 --> 00:42:31,287
because I didn't take
the effort, the time,
744
00:42:31,418 --> 00:42:35,030
the risk to step into his
life and become a part of it
745
00:42:35,161 --> 00:42:37,380
for any length of time.
746
00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:38,860
You know, I've always
pulled back
747
00:42:38,991 --> 00:42:41,602
when it started to get
scary or threatening
748
00:42:41,733 --> 00:42:43,561
or just difficult.
749
00:42:46,651 --> 00:42:48,914
You guys wanna wait a minute?
'Cause I'm about to cry.
750
00:42:49,044 --> 00:42:50,089
Why?
751
00:42:50,219 --> 00:42:52,352
'Cause, I mean,
752
00:42:52,482 --> 00:42:54,093
I might cry.
753
00:42:54,223 --> 00:42:56,138
Why? Because
Ginger is...
754
00:42:56,269 --> 00:42:59,489
He's all by himself, all
alone, in the woods or something.
755
00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:00,621
Well, he's got a wife.
756
00:43:00,752 --> 00:43:02,580
- He's got...
- Oh! Well, then I won't.
757
00:43:03,798 --> 00:43:04,669
You guys are
trying to live
758
00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:06,758
a pretty quiet life here.
759
00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:09,369
As quiet as possible.
760
00:43:14,983 --> 00:43:17,159
Lisa's a little angel.
761
00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:18,465
Hello, Lisa.
762
00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:23,339
I'm extremely fond of her.
763
00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:25,690
I think of her like
she's my own.
764
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:27,126
And I wasn't
studying yesterday.
765
00:43:28,693 --> 00:43:30,477
She's a
great little kid.
766
00:43:32,131 --> 00:43:34,699
It's really nice to have
a family again.
767
00:43:38,398 --> 00:43:42,184
If that falls apart, I
really don't know what to do.
768
00:43:43,403 --> 00:43:45,187
So Ginger is
a good stepfather?
769
00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:50,453
Stepfather.
770
00:43:52,804 --> 00:43:53,631
Yeah.
771
00:43:55,763 --> 00:43:58,287
Do you find yourself
to be a tragic hero?
772
00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:01,726
Go on with the interview.
773
00:44:01,856 --> 00:44:05,555
Stop trying to be an
intellectual dickhead.
774
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:45,857
♪ Tell me ♪
775
00:44:45,987 --> 00:44:47,641
♪ Tell me, Toady ♪
776
00:44:48,816 --> 00:44:49,861
Ginger's not just a player,
777
00:44:49,991 --> 00:44:52,559
he's also a bandleader
and arranger.
778
00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:55,562
We were all brought up on
the big-band era, you know?
779
00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,478
And that's what Air
Force was like.
780
00:44:58,608 --> 00:45:01,176
♪ Tell me ♪
781
00:45:01,307 --> 00:45:04,310
♪ Tell me, Toady ♪
782
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,704
I made a
stupid decision of saying,
783
00:45:07,661 --> 00:45:11,404
"Okay, well, I've made my money
with Cream and Blind Faith,
784
00:45:11,534 --> 00:45:13,275
so I will pay the band
all the money."
785
00:45:14,276 --> 00:45:15,669
Just ridiculously expensive.
786
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,020
Hotel bills, the
transportation, the wages.
787
00:45:19,151 --> 00:45:22,415
The name came
from the air force section
788
00:45:22,545 --> 00:45:26,680
Of the Duke Ellington Band,
which was the junkie section.
789
00:45:26,811 --> 00:45:28,290
It really was an
air force.
790
00:45:28,421 --> 00:45:31,293
I think somebody said that they
were flying at 30,000 feet,
791
00:45:31,424 --> 00:45:32,860
I think it was.
792
00:45:32,991 --> 00:45:34,732
It was a very high band.
793
00:45:38,257 --> 00:45:39,258
Now they're
saying Air Force
794
00:45:39,388 --> 00:45:41,347
was some kind of a fusion band.
795
00:45:41,477 --> 00:45:44,045
I don't know what
the fuck that is.
796
00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:48,223
You can't put music in
boxes, especially my music.
797
00:45:49,485 --> 00:45:51,400
♪ Toad ♪
798
00:45:57,580 --> 00:45:58,973
It was really exciting.
799
00:45:59,104 --> 00:46:00,453
I thought it was gonna
last forever.
800
00:46:00,583 --> 00:46:01,889
But, you know, Ginger's bands
801
00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:03,848
have tended to be like
that, you know?
802
00:46:04,979 --> 00:46:06,372
Didn't they?
803
00:46:06,502 --> 00:46:07,939
Like what?
804
00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:09,767
You hear them, you
think, "This is fabulous.
805
00:46:09,897 --> 00:46:12,900
It's gonna go on forever,"
and it lasts a week.
806
00:46:13,031 --> 00:46:15,642
Maybe that's just part
of being him, you know?
807
00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:16,948
I don't know.
808
00:46:17,862 --> 00:46:21,691
Because of his fame from
Cream and Blind Faith,
809
00:46:21,822 --> 00:46:23,128
you know, he was considered,
810
00:46:23,258 --> 00:46:24,956
you know, the great rock
drummer of his generation.
811
00:46:25,086 --> 00:46:27,697
But as Ginger will tell
you, he was a jazz drummer.
812
00:46:27,828 --> 00:46:30,526
The general public
are so fuckin' dumb.
813
00:46:31,832 --> 00:46:36,837
That, you know, like, that
anybody could think of Bonham
814
00:46:37,098 --> 00:46:40,406
was anywhere near this
kind of drummer I am.
815
00:46:42,538 --> 00:46:44,366
It's just extraordinary.
816
00:46:45,324 --> 00:46:47,413
Bonham had technique,
817
00:46:47,543 --> 00:46:51,156
but he couldn't swing
a fucking sack of shit.
818
00:46:51,286 --> 00:46:53,027
Or Moonie, for that matter.
819
00:46:53,985 --> 00:46:58,903
I mean, if they were still
alive today, ask 'em.
820
00:47:00,034 --> 00:47:00,992
When they
think of Ginger,
821
00:47:01,122 --> 00:47:03,168
they think of Keith
Moon and Bonham...
822
00:47:03,298 --> 00:47:04,647
No, no, no, no, no.
823
00:47:06,432 --> 00:47:08,390
Ginger was nothing like
those players.
824
00:47:08,521 --> 00:47:11,393
His musical capabilities
are full-spectrum.
825
00:47:11,524 --> 00:47:13,395
He can write and compose
and arrange,
826
00:47:13,526 --> 00:47:16,094
and he has an ear, and
he is harmonic.
827
00:47:16,224 --> 00:47:18,270
He's a fully formed musician.
828
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,446
He wanted to be respected
by the jazz drummers,
829
00:47:20,576 --> 00:47:22,578
so Ginger did these drum battles
830
00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:24,363
with the guys he looked up to,
831
00:47:24,493 --> 00:47:25,973
thought were the great drummers.
832
00:48:27,643 --> 00:48:29,036
What always happens
is you end up,
833
00:48:29,167 --> 00:48:30,559
if you're playing
with a good guy,
834
00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:32,126
you end up playing together.
835
00:49:07,683 --> 00:49:09,903
By him taking all
these guys on,
836
00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:13,298
and nobody else really
did in the "rock world",
837
00:49:13,428 --> 00:49:17,302
he was considered to be
in that elite echelon
838
00:49:17,432 --> 00:49:19,652
of great jazz drummers,
which, ultimately,
839
00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:21,306
that's what he considered
himself to be,
840
00:49:21,436 --> 00:49:24,048
the great jazz drummer
of his generation.
841
00:49:24,178 --> 00:49:26,789
Not a fucking rock drummer.
842
00:49:27,921 --> 00:49:31,098
So, here you are, at
the height of your career.
843
00:49:31,229 --> 00:49:32,534
You've battled all the
greatest drummers.
844
00:49:32,665 --> 00:49:34,972
You've become a bandleader.
845
00:49:35,102 --> 00:49:37,148
And you decide
to go to Africa.
846
00:49:37,278 --> 00:49:38,279
Oh, God.
847
00:49:39,802 --> 00:49:43,719
Way back, when Phil turned me on
848
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:47,767
to all the African drummers,
849
00:49:48,986 --> 00:49:53,947
it was obviously very
high on my priorities
850
00:49:54,817 --> 00:49:56,776
to go to Africa.
851
00:49:58,865 --> 00:50:01,607
Ginger says, "How
do you feel about filming me
852
00:50:01,737 --> 00:50:03,000
going across the Sahara?"
853
00:50:03,130 --> 00:50:04,305
And I said, "How are
you proposing
854
00:50:04,436 --> 00:50:06,786
to go across the
Sahara, Ginger?"
855
00:50:06,916 --> 00:50:08,527
And he said, "I'm gonna drive."
856
00:50:08,657 --> 00:50:11,573
♪ Ah-ah-ah-ah ♪
857
00:50:11,704 --> 00:50:14,620
♪ Ah-ah-ah ♪
858
00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:17,840
♪ Ah-ah-ah-ah ♪
859
00:50:17,971 --> 00:50:19,146
♪ Ah-ah-ah ♪
860
00:50:42,256 --> 00:50:45,651
There was that questing
spirit of a true artist there.
861
00:50:45,781 --> 00:50:48,306
It was news that Ginger
dropped out,
862
00:50:48,436 --> 00:50:50,351
or he went following the groove.
863
00:50:55,835 --> 00:50:57,315
From Africa.
864
00:51:02,407 --> 00:51:05,192
He predates everybody
else who later on said,
865
00:51:05,323 --> 00:51:08,152
"We discovered the
sounds of Africa."
866
00:51:08,282 --> 00:51:11,633
The only person that
made me
cry before playing was Phil,
867
00:51:11,764 --> 00:51:13,548
and these guys had me crying,
868
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:18,292
because the time things they
were doing were just so subtle.
869
00:51:18,423 --> 00:51:20,033
This is why I went to Africa.
870
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:27,997
When I arrived in Nigeria,
871
00:51:28,128 --> 00:51:31,349
I went straight to
the Afro Spot.
872
00:51:32,698 --> 00:51:35,353
And there was Fela
playing onstage.
873
00:51:35,483 --> 00:51:39,792
And it was just like,
"Wow, man. This is cool."
874
00:51:46,451 --> 00:51:50,368
It was unlike anything
anybody else was playing.
875
00:51:51,847 --> 00:51:53,719
Fela was like, "That's
Ginger Baker!
876
00:51:53,849 --> 00:51:55,286
That's Ginger Baker!"
877
00:51:58,027 --> 00:51:59,681
Who is Fela?
878
00:51:59,812 --> 00:52:02,684
Some say he's the greatest
musician in Africa,
879
00:52:02,815 --> 00:52:06,210
others that he's a prophet,
still others that he's a rebel,
880
00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:08,212
a revolutionary tribune.
881
00:52:08,342 --> 00:52:11,345
Fela was one of the most
important, influential,
882
00:52:11,476 --> 00:52:14,609
and courageous musicians
of the 20th century.
883
00:52:16,611 --> 00:52:18,396
Ginger got the opportunity
884
00:52:18,526 --> 00:52:20,615
to sit in the drum
chair for a while
885
00:52:20,746 --> 00:52:21,877
of one of the greatest bands
886
00:52:22,008 --> 00:52:24,228
ever to play African
popular music.
887
00:52:37,458 --> 00:52:39,982
Ginger was very close
to everybody.
888
00:52:40,113 --> 00:52:42,289
The girls, my father, the band.
889
00:52:43,899 --> 00:52:45,684
It was a color-blind situation.
890
00:52:45,814 --> 00:52:47,773
They smoked together,
they drank together,
891
00:52:47,903 --> 00:52:49,209
had women together.
892
00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:51,690
They played together,
everything together.
893
00:53:21,937 --> 00:53:23,765
The first, or only
Western musician,
894
00:53:23,896 --> 00:53:26,594
to go out there and immerse
himself and live in it,
895
00:53:26,725 --> 00:53:29,510
in the squalor of
it, was Ginger.
896
00:53:35,821 --> 00:53:37,997
And this studio became
the first 16-track studio
897
00:53:38,127 --> 00:53:39,346
we've got in our country.
898
00:53:40,478 --> 00:53:43,742
Fela stopped using EMI
899
00:53:43,872 --> 00:53:46,658
and started to use Ginger
Baker's studio.
900
00:53:46,788 --> 00:53:51,750
Now, who leaves England
to go and record in Lagos?
901
00:53:52,272 --> 00:53:54,579
Africa, at that
time, in Nigeria,
902
00:53:54,709 --> 00:53:57,234
was an absolute hotbed
of revolution,
903
00:53:57,364 --> 00:54:01,977
of death, of unaccountable
violence.
904
00:54:04,458 --> 00:54:07,722
It was a great place
to be in those days.
905
00:54:12,727 --> 00:54:15,948
I was in Africa for a
period of six years.
906
00:54:16,078 --> 00:54:18,864
It was sort of like
the "flower power" days
907
00:54:18,994 --> 00:54:21,083
in Nigeria, you know?
908
00:54:21,214 --> 00:54:24,304
You can't imagine the
'70s in Nigeria,
909
00:54:24,435 --> 00:54:27,568
how much fun they all had.
910
00:54:35,141 --> 00:54:38,840
Fela, we used to
call him the black president,
911
00:54:38,971 --> 00:54:40,799
And he formed the
Kalakuta Party.
912
00:54:41,713 --> 00:54:45,543
And we all used to sit around
a table the shape of Africa,
913
00:54:45,673 --> 00:54:47,675
and I was elected
one of the party.
914
00:54:47,806 --> 00:54:50,852
He was just cool.
He was real cool.
915
00:54:50,983 --> 00:54:52,376
Ginger's a cool white boy.
916
00:54:52,506 --> 00:54:53,855
Meanwhile, no
one in Europe knew
917
00:54:53,986 --> 00:54:56,336
what the fuck was
going on there.
918
00:54:56,467 --> 00:54:58,295
- Nobody what?
- Nobody in Europe,
919
00:54:58,425 --> 00:55:00,949
all the people that you
had left behind, you know?
920
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,734
What people I'd left behind?
921
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:07,086
I think he just goes.
922
00:55:07,216 --> 00:55:09,175
That's a great thing in music.
923
00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:12,134
You don't wanna be thinking
too much when you're playing.
924
00:55:12,265 --> 00:55:16,356
He who hesitates is
lost. Just go.
925
00:55:16,487 --> 00:55:19,533
He really
desperately wanted a boy.
926
00:55:19,664 --> 00:55:21,840
And when he got a boy,
he was awful to him.
927
00:55:23,232 --> 00:55:25,060
He said some nasty
things to my mom.
928
00:55:27,236 --> 00:55:29,935
You know, like, "I wish I had
black kids," or something.
929
00:55:30,065 --> 00:55:31,676
Were you guys
still in contact with him?
930
00:55:31,806 --> 00:55:32,938
Yeah, yeah.
931
00:55:33,068 --> 00:55:34,679
He would just call you?
932
00:55:34,809 --> 00:55:37,246
Yeah, like, "Hello.
I'm in prison."
933
00:55:38,117 --> 00:55:38,944
"Fine."
934
00:55:40,293 --> 00:55:42,077
I was approached
by Range Rover
935
00:55:42,208 --> 00:55:45,429
and would I join them
in a three-car team
936
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:48,301
for this show 1000 rally?
937
00:55:48,432 --> 00:55:51,304
Anyway, I arrived
at the checkpoint
938
00:55:51,435 --> 00:55:54,916
and did 180 and came
in backwards.
939
00:55:55,047 --> 00:55:56,875
And I heard this voice
say, "Bloody hell!
940
00:55:57,005 --> 00:55:59,834
The way you drive, you
should play polo."
941
00:55:59,965 --> 00:56:00,922
And I shouted out the window,
942
00:56:01,053 --> 00:56:02,881
"You've gotta be
bloody kiddin'."
943
00:56:03,795 --> 00:56:05,492
He said, "Okay, Baker.
Come with me."
944
00:56:05,623 --> 00:56:06,624
So off we go.
945
00:56:08,452 --> 00:56:09,148
And where do we go?
946
00:56:09,278 --> 00:56:11,237
Lagos Polo Club.
947
00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:12,412
And I've already downed
948
00:56:12,543 --> 00:56:15,023
about eight or nine
Bacardi and Cokes,
949
00:56:15,937 --> 00:56:18,026
And Colin comes up to me
and says, "Right, Baker.
950
00:56:18,157 --> 00:56:20,464
It's time you got on a horse."
951
00:56:20,594 --> 00:56:23,728
And Colin gets out a
whip and goes whack,
952
00:56:23,858 --> 00:56:28,515
and boom, it's off like
fucking 900 miles an hour.
953
00:56:28,646 --> 00:56:29,908
Absolutely full gallop.
954
00:56:30,038 --> 00:56:32,563
My sunglasses were around
one side of my face,
955
00:56:32,693 --> 00:56:34,608
and my beard's around the other,
956
00:56:34,739 --> 00:56:36,958
but I was still on the horse.
957
00:56:37,089 --> 00:56:41,310
And I said, "Where's the
fucking brakes, Colin?"
958
00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:43,878
So I'd found an old
pair of boots
959
00:56:44,009 --> 00:56:46,272
and an old polo stick and a hat,
960
00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:50,189
and I became a poloist.
961
00:56:52,931 --> 00:56:54,149
The class of Nigerians
962
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,239
that would have belonged
to the Lagos Polo Club
963
00:56:57,370 --> 00:56:58,937
were very elite people,
964
00:56:59,067 --> 00:57:00,721
people that Fela would
dismiss as having
965
00:57:00,852 --> 00:57:02,984
a so-called "Colonial
mentality."
966
00:57:03,115 --> 00:57:04,595
Those were definitely the people
967
00:57:04,725 --> 00:57:07,728
that Fela was singin'
against in the 1970s.
968
00:57:07,859 --> 00:57:09,077
But it was later in the '70s
969
00:57:09,208 --> 00:57:11,166
when Fela really got
more radicalized
970
00:57:11,297 --> 00:57:13,691
and began to live the life
of a musical dissident.
971
00:57:13,821 --> 00:57:15,823
All this nonsense hanging
around here.
972
00:57:15,954 --> 00:57:18,173
They sit there in cars, man!
973
00:57:18,304 --> 00:57:21,655
Fela took on the
government, the army.
974
00:57:21,786 --> 00:57:25,790
He was determined to
become president.
975
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,533
All the government top
guys played polo,
976
00:57:29,663 --> 00:57:32,840
so they were always at
the Lagos Polo Club.
977
00:57:32,971 --> 00:57:34,929
So I was playing polo there
978
00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:38,367
and hanging out with, as
it were, Fela's enemies.
979
00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:42,459
And a lot of the people
on Fela's committee
980
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:47,464
didn't like that and soured
Fela's mind against me.
981
00:57:49,553 --> 00:57:52,599
I was pretty upset at the time.
982
00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:54,209
About what?
983
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:58,562
Well, that Fela wouldn't
play with me, with his band.
984
00:57:59,998 --> 00:58:02,957
On Friday,
February 18, 1977,
985
00:58:03,088 --> 00:58:05,438
a thousand-odd soldiers
surround Kalakuta,
986
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:07,005
machine guns at the ready.
987
00:58:07,135 --> 00:58:08,659
They plunder the house.
988
00:58:10,356 --> 00:58:11,749
Their clubs spare neither
pregnant women nor children.
989
00:58:11,879 --> 00:58:13,751
Fela himself is seriously
beaten.
990
00:58:13,881 --> 00:58:16,318
Fela and his tribe find
themselves in prison.
991
00:58:16,449 --> 00:58:18,320
It was starting to
go wrong, yeah.
992
00:58:18,451 --> 00:58:21,410
But, I mean, I left Nigeria
993
00:58:21,541 --> 00:58:24,501
because I lost my
studio, really.
994
00:58:24,631 --> 00:58:26,459
It took us three years
to build it.
995
00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:28,896
It's been open just
over two years now.
996
00:58:29,027 --> 00:58:31,072
It's coming along great.
997
00:58:39,733 --> 00:58:42,040
Presumably, there must
be a lot of music there.
998
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:43,345
Yeah, we kept pretty busy.
999
00:58:43,476 --> 00:58:45,696
You know, we're working
all the time, yeah.
1000
00:58:45,826 --> 00:58:47,611
I think as a businessperson,
1001
00:58:47,741 --> 00:58:49,656
he's a walking disaster area.
1002
00:58:49,787 --> 00:58:50,831
Ginger's out there,
1003
00:58:50,962 --> 00:58:54,356
discovering a whole
new world of sound,
1004
00:58:54,487 --> 00:58:56,358
literally a whole new
world of sound,
1005
00:58:56,489 --> 00:59:00,537
and recording it in good
faith, not even blind faith.
1006
00:59:00,667 --> 00:59:02,539
Along comes a gangster
record company and says,
1007
00:59:02,669 --> 00:59:03,931
"We can take advantage of that."
1008
00:59:04,062 --> 00:59:05,977
And Ginger was just
taken for a ride.
1009
00:59:06,107 --> 00:59:08,327
He said, "You can't
build a studio here.
1010
00:59:08,457 --> 00:59:10,416
This is our territory."
1011
00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:13,550
They banned all the artists
they had under contract
1012
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,334
from using my studio.
1013
00:59:17,641 --> 00:59:19,730
I told 'em to fuck off.
1014
00:59:23,298 --> 00:59:24,604
So shortly after that,
1015
00:59:24,735 --> 00:59:27,520
three armed soldiers
entered the studio.
1016
00:59:27,651 --> 00:59:30,915
So I just leapt out of the
room, over the balcony,
1017
00:59:31,045 --> 00:59:32,917
got in the Range Rover,
1018
00:59:33,047 --> 00:59:36,834
and went
straight towards the road.
1019
00:59:39,271 --> 00:59:41,534
I could hear all these
gunshots and ricochets going on
1020
00:59:41,665 --> 00:59:44,015
where the police are
trying to shoot me.
1021
00:59:44,145 --> 00:59:46,365
Why did Ginger leave?
1022
00:59:46,495 --> 00:59:49,194
I just know things were
not going right.
1023
00:59:49,324 --> 00:59:52,676
But when he left, Fela
and him lost contact.
1024
01:00:31,149 --> 01:00:32,411
You had been
off the scene in Africa
1025
01:00:32,541 --> 01:00:34,065
for so many years.
1026
01:00:34,195 --> 01:00:36,720
You must've missed being a
rock star to a certain extent.
1027
01:00:36,850 --> 01:00:37,982
No, I didn't.
1028
01:00:40,375 --> 01:00:45,163
I came back to England to play
with the Gurvitz brothers,
1029
01:00:45,293 --> 01:00:46,599
for which I got some money.
1030
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,646
I'd just lost a fortune,
1031
01:00:49,776 --> 01:00:52,257
so it was a matter of
doing some work.
1032
01:00:53,737 --> 01:00:56,435
That was really all
he could get, wasn't it?
1033
01:00:56,565 --> 01:00:58,785
At that time, nobody
wanted to work with him.
1034
01:01:00,221 --> 01:01:02,441
♪ Now is the time ♪
1035
01:01:02,571 --> 01:01:03,964
♪ Get it all together ♪
1036
01:01:04,095 --> 01:01:05,749
Shut up, you bloody fool!
1037
01:01:07,489 --> 01:01:08,795
♪ Now is the time ♪
1038
01:01:08,926 --> 01:01:09,840
Hey!
1039
01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:11,711
♪ Put yourself together ♪
1040
01:01:11,842 --> 01:01:16,803
Yeah, I grew up in the
downward spiral of his life,
1041
01:01:17,108 --> 01:01:19,414
everything collapsing
and falling apart.
1042
01:01:19,545 --> 01:01:23,723
The mistake I made
was letting polo take over
1043
01:01:23,854 --> 01:01:26,334
from thinkin' about work.
1044
01:01:26,465 --> 01:01:29,642
The tax people saw this
film that BBC did
1045
01:01:29,773 --> 01:01:33,864
of these horses arriving
and gave the impression
1046
01:01:33,994 --> 01:01:36,475
that I'd got a hell
of a lot of money.
1047
01:01:36,605 --> 01:01:37,650
Only this week,
1048
01:01:37,781 --> 01:01:40,435
30 polo ponies arrived
from Argentina.
1049
01:01:41,393 --> 01:01:44,701
This air shipment guarantees
Ginger Baker's commitment
1050
01:01:44,831 --> 01:01:48,269
to a sport that stands
for everything he isn't.
1051
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,533
I went absolutely broke.
1052
01:01:51,664 --> 01:01:54,275
It was a very bad
time altogether.
1053
01:01:56,756 --> 01:02:02,066
He left my mom for my
first boyfriend's sister.
1054
01:02:02,196 --> 01:02:05,156
That was his second wife, was
my first boyfriend's sister.
1055
01:02:06,635 --> 01:02:08,420
There's a good idea!
1056
01:02:09,638 --> 01:02:13,512
She was 18, you
know?
1057
01:02:13,642 --> 01:02:15,906
Well, maybe 17. I don't know.
1058
01:02:16,036 --> 01:02:17,603
She was still going to school.
1059
01:02:19,257 --> 01:02:22,303
She was a very naughty-type
girl, yeah.
1060
01:02:25,176 --> 01:02:26,786
Very sexy-type girl.
1061
01:02:28,570 --> 01:02:31,486
♪ Powder blues ♪
1062
01:02:36,013 --> 01:02:39,712
The tax people go,
"You owe us, you know, 150,000
pounds."
1063
01:02:39,843 --> 01:02:42,323
And it's like, you know, he
doesn't have 150,000 pounds,
1064
01:02:42,454 --> 01:02:43,890
so they took the house.
1065
01:02:44,021 --> 01:02:45,587
We'd lived in that
house all our lives.
1066
01:02:45,718 --> 01:02:47,764
And then one day you come home
1067
01:02:47,894 --> 01:02:48,982
and there's a whole
load of police
1068
01:02:49,113 --> 01:02:50,418
and a whole load of bailiffs,
1069
01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:52,464
and they just won't let
you back into your house.
1070
01:02:52,594 --> 01:02:55,293
And they just take everything
that you've ever owned.
1071
01:02:55,423 --> 01:02:56,947
I just, you know,
took my drums
1072
01:02:57,077 --> 01:03:00,167
and went and lived on the
streets, lived in squats.
1073
01:03:00,298 --> 01:03:02,822
You know, I used to tie
my drums to my hands
1074
01:03:02,953 --> 01:03:04,606
when I went to sleep,
so that, you know,
1075
01:03:04,737 --> 01:03:06,565
so no one could take 'em.
1076
01:03:06,695 --> 01:03:08,697
You know, I don't think
he should've had a family.
1077
01:03:08,828 --> 01:03:10,699
I think he would've been
way better off in his life
1078
01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:13,659
if he'd never had kids and
just, you know, did his thing.
1079
01:03:15,835 --> 01:03:18,142
He would've left a lot
less of a mess behind.
1080
01:03:20,318 --> 01:03:23,712
Most of the time Ginger
was with Baker Gurvitz Army,
1081
01:03:23,843 --> 01:03:25,889
he wasn't really on
the hard stuff.
1082
01:03:26,019 --> 01:03:27,151
Oh, yeah.
1083
01:03:27,281 --> 01:03:31,633
I'm a lot, you know,
better in myself.
1084
01:03:32,547 --> 01:03:34,288
Fit and well, if you
like, you know?
1085
01:03:34,419 --> 01:03:36,203
The hard stuff came back
1086
01:03:36,334 --> 01:03:39,380
in the recording of
"Hearts on Fire."
1087
01:03:48,389 --> 01:03:52,132
It was sort of like a
pretty disastrous period,
1088
01:03:52,263 --> 01:03:54,961
so I got back into using.
1089
01:03:55,092 --> 01:03:56,702
And that's
when you sort of realize
1090
01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:58,660
your idols have feet of clay,
1091
01:03:59,661 --> 01:04:01,359
the slight inkling coming in
1092
01:04:01,489 --> 01:04:03,883
that this person isn't
in control.
1093
01:04:04,971 --> 01:04:07,582
The cameraman's in control.
1094
01:04:07,713 --> 01:04:08,540
Hello.
1095
01:04:09,584 --> 01:04:13,066
Um, what were you saying?
1096
01:04:38,570 --> 01:04:40,615
Jeff, get us a glass
of wine, will you?
1097
01:04:42,922 --> 01:04:45,446
Fucking hell, man. I tried hard.
1098
01:04:47,013 --> 01:04:50,538
I'd decided, "I'd better
get away from anybody I know
1099
01:04:50,669 --> 01:04:53,150
if I'm ever going
to get straight."
1100
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,892
So I decided to go to Italy.
1101
01:04:57,719 --> 01:04:59,199
I went to Italy with Sarah,
1102
01:04:59,330 --> 01:05:02,594
living on this place right
on top of a fucking mountain,
1103
01:05:02,724 --> 01:05:04,901
and I've never lived
in England since.
1104
01:05:05,989 --> 01:05:08,078
I didn't know anybody.
1105
01:05:08,208 --> 01:05:09,862
I didn't even speak Italian.
1106
01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:12,430
And the house was falling down.
1107
01:05:13,518 --> 01:05:16,651
I met him in '86,
1108
01:05:16,782 --> 01:05:18,131
and I was asked to find him
1109
01:05:18,262 --> 01:05:20,917
by a singer called
Johnny Rotten,
1110
01:05:21,047 --> 01:05:22,266
who was in The Sex Pistols.
1111
01:05:22,396 --> 01:05:24,964
He was living in a
fairly obscure,
1112
01:05:25,095 --> 01:05:28,359
pretty obscure situation,
rough situation.
1113
01:05:28,489 --> 01:05:31,449
And in the house, which was
completely in kind of shambles,
1114
01:05:31,579 --> 01:05:35,844
I think there was two horses
and seven dogs, no electricity,
1115
01:05:35,975 --> 01:05:37,890
and a room that overlooked
the mountain
1116
01:05:38,021 --> 01:05:40,197
with a drum kit in it,
only a drum kit.
1117
01:05:40,327 --> 01:05:41,981
But when he played in that room
1118
01:05:42,112 --> 01:05:43,504
and it echoed over the hills,
1119
01:05:43,635 --> 01:05:45,811
you could hear people like,
you know, five miles away,
1120
01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:49,162
screaming, "Ginger! Wheels of
fire," you know?
1121
01:05:49,293 --> 01:05:50,772
Sarah obviously married
him
1122
01:05:50,903 --> 01:05:52,339
because she wanted, you
know, a rock star.
1123
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:53,775
Hey, you know?
1124
01:05:53,906 --> 01:05:56,691
And he took her to this
little bum-fuck town,
1125
01:05:56,822 --> 01:05:58,780
and she was like, "Well,
what the hell," you know,
1126
01:05:58,911 --> 01:06:00,782
"Where's all the
rock-star shit?"
1127
01:06:00,913 --> 01:06:03,089
And when I went
out there with some young
people,
1128
01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:04,961
she went off with one of them,
and that was the end of that.
1129
01:06:05,091 --> 01:06:06,788
And he was absolutely
devastated,
1130
01:06:06,919 --> 01:06:10,357
because he couldn't handle his
own medicine, unfortunately.
1131
01:06:12,664 --> 01:06:14,013
Was he heartbroken?
1132
01:06:14,144 --> 01:06:14,927
Oh, yeah.
1133
01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:16,581
Yeah, she fucked him good, yeah.
1134
01:06:17,712 --> 01:06:19,758
I was completely
fuckin' destroyed.
1135
01:06:19,888 --> 01:06:23,631
I was on my own with all my
dogs and a couple of horses.
1136
01:06:28,419 --> 01:06:29,550
I mean, it was terrible.
1137
01:06:31,117 --> 01:06:33,337
I went out there to
get drum lessons and stuff.
1138
01:06:33,467 --> 01:06:34,860
He had no money,
1139
01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:37,776
so he couldn't get me a
plane ticket back to England.
1140
01:06:37,906 --> 01:06:39,473
So we had to do this gig.
1141
01:06:39,604 --> 01:06:41,823
So I got really, really sick,
right, the day of the gig.
1142
01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:42,824
And I was like sitting
on a chair,
1143
01:06:42,955 --> 01:06:44,739
and I was like throwing up,
1144
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:46,089
and I was just, like,
a really bad way.
1145
01:06:46,219 --> 01:06:48,439
I was like, "I don't
know if I can play."
1146
01:06:48,569 --> 01:06:50,789
So, you know, he chops
out a line of cocaine.
1147
01:06:50,919 --> 01:06:52,356
"Take this."
1148
01:06:52,486 --> 01:06:54,662
I'm like, "I'd never done
cocaine before," you know?
1149
01:06:54,793 --> 01:06:56,969
Like, "I'm 15 years
old," you know?
1150
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:58,579
So I ended up taking this
line of cocaine.
1151
01:06:58,710 --> 01:07:00,451
Played the gig fine,
1152
01:07:00,581 --> 01:07:03,410
but somehow it just, like,
you know, makes you feel good.
1153
01:07:04,542 --> 01:07:07,066
So then he put me on a coach
back to England, you know,
1154
01:07:07,197 --> 01:07:08,328
and he took the rest
of the money
1155
01:07:08,459 --> 01:07:10,156
and wouldn't get me
a plane ticket.
1156
01:07:10,287 --> 01:07:12,028
And we made good money
at that gig.
1157
01:07:25,824 --> 01:07:29,175
I started gettin' these
letters from some guy in LA.
1158
01:07:29,436 --> 01:07:31,308
He kept saying, "Oh, man,
1159
01:07:31,438 --> 01:07:34,485
you've got a fantastic
career in films."
1160
01:07:36,791 --> 01:07:39,098
So I went to California.
1161
01:07:46,323 --> 01:07:49,891
"The Nasty Boys" was
the most extraordinary,
1162
01:07:50,022 --> 01:07:52,285
stupid thing I've ever seen.
1163
01:07:55,201 --> 01:07:56,028
"Aah!"
1164
01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:57,334
Hollywood, bleh.
1165
01:07:59,814 --> 01:08:01,599
That was the
end of it for me.
1166
01:08:01,729 --> 01:08:03,383
I mean, it was just so stupid.
1167
01:08:03,514 --> 01:08:05,168
Last one on is a rotten egg.
1168
01:08:06,865 --> 01:08:08,214
I hadn't seen
him for years.
1169
01:08:08,345 --> 01:08:11,478
When I arrived in LA,
I didn't recognize him,
1170
01:08:11,609 --> 01:08:12,436
'cause he looked
like an old man.
1171
01:08:12,566 --> 01:08:14,568
And I thought, "Where's my dad?"
1172
01:08:14,699 --> 01:08:17,789
He actually put an ad on
Music Connection magazine
1173
01:08:17,919 --> 01:08:19,312
looking for a job.
1174
01:08:19,443 --> 01:08:21,314
"Famous drummer from the '60s,"
1175
01:08:21,445 --> 01:08:22,533
you know, "Ginger
Baker from Cream,
1176
01:08:22,663 --> 01:08:24,404
looking for a band
to play with."
1177
01:08:26,885 --> 01:08:28,191
Are you ready to go?
1178
01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:32,630
Okay, so this is a drum
kit, and I'm Ginger Baker.
1179
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,067
You hold the drumstick thusly,
1180
01:08:35,198 --> 01:08:37,765
and you play the
stick like that.
1181
01:08:38,679 --> 01:08:41,160
The 1960s were heady
times for Ginger Baker.
1182
01:08:41,291 --> 01:08:42,814
He was a drummer for
some of rock music's
1183
01:08:42,944 --> 01:08:44,424
most influential groups.
1184
01:08:44,555 --> 01:08:46,383
We visited Baker at
the ranch he rents
1185
01:08:46,513 --> 01:08:49,473
in the California desert
as he tries to come back.
1186
01:08:49,603 --> 01:08:51,257
Tell me about your relationship
these days
1187
01:08:51,388 --> 01:08:52,171
with Eric Clapton.
1188
01:08:52,302 --> 01:08:53,520
Do you still speak?
1189
01:08:53,694 --> 01:08:57,220
I don't have a lot in
common with Eric nowadays.
1190
01:08:59,396 --> 01:09:00,484
He's sort of
1191
01:09:03,617 --> 01:09:05,576
changed considerably.
1192
01:09:05,706 --> 01:09:07,099
Ginger, the way he is
1193
01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:09,797
and the way, you know,
his self-medication
1194
01:09:09,928 --> 01:09:12,887
and all of the kind of things
that go on in his life,
1195
01:09:13,018 --> 01:09:16,239
I would find quite hard to be
around for any length of time.
1196
01:09:16,369 --> 01:09:18,023
It was quite threatening,
you know, to me
1197
01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:21,331
and I suppose what I
would call my sobriety.
1198
01:09:21,461 --> 01:09:23,942
But I've always got
time for him, you know,
1199
01:09:24,072 --> 01:09:26,597
and I know he knows that.
1200
01:09:26,727 --> 01:09:28,294
There was nothing
star-like about him
1201
01:09:28,425 --> 01:09:29,556
when I first met him.
1202
01:09:29,687 --> 01:09:31,471
He was pretty much penniless
when we met
1203
01:09:31,602 --> 01:09:35,606
and had spent everything to
get his horses over to America.
1204
01:09:35,736 --> 01:09:36,911
I was pretty happy.
1205
01:09:37,042 --> 01:09:38,565
I was gonna be going
into a master's program
1206
01:09:38,696 --> 01:09:40,524
and following medicine.
1207
01:09:40,654 --> 01:09:42,917
There was a lot of
great stuff ahead of me.
1208
01:09:43,048 --> 01:09:44,876
And then I got a
little derailed.
1209
01:09:45,877 --> 01:09:47,400
Was Karen a good person?
1210
01:09:51,187 --> 01:09:53,667
I don't want to discuss Karen.
1211
01:09:53,798 --> 01:09:57,149
He is somebody who
needs to be cared for,
1212
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,847
and maybe that's what
was so attractive to me.
1213
01:09:59,978 --> 01:10:01,458
It was like, "I can
help this person."
1214
01:10:01,588 --> 01:10:04,069
He was somebody really
interesting to spend time with.
1215
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,201
He started playing the drums,
1216
01:10:05,331 --> 01:10:06,506
and actually, that
was the first time
1217
01:10:06,637 --> 01:10:08,508
I really understood the drums.
1218
01:10:16,037 --> 01:10:17,517
Nobody wanted to play with him.
1219
01:10:17,648 --> 01:10:19,215
And this is LA.
1220
01:10:19,345 --> 01:10:22,261
I mean, there should've been
gigs everywhere for him.
1221
01:10:22,392 --> 01:10:23,523
I mean, people were just like,
1222
01:10:23,654 --> 01:10:25,395
"Mm, no, it's too much trouble."
1223
01:10:27,658 --> 01:10:31,531
And then finally, he did
join The Masters of Reality.
1224
01:10:31,662 --> 01:10:34,012
♪ John Brown, bring him down ♪
1225
01:10:34,142 --> 01:10:36,841
♪ Pull his body to the ground ♪
1226
01:10:42,499 --> 01:10:44,805
It was really quite
an enjoyable thing,
1227
01:10:44,936 --> 01:10:46,938
that Masters of Reality.
1228
01:10:47,852 --> 01:10:52,030
They were trying to say it was
heavy metal, which it wasn't.
1229
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,034
It was music you couldn't
put in a box, Jay.
1230
01:11:00,908 --> 01:11:03,171
"Sunrise on the Sufferbus."
1231
01:11:03,302 --> 01:11:04,956
Musician magazine simply
calls "Sufferbus,
1232
01:11:05,086 --> 01:11:07,828
the best rock album of
the young decade."
1233
01:11:07,959 --> 01:11:10,527
We were on tour
with Alice In Chains,
1234
01:11:10,657 --> 01:11:12,311
I think it was a mismatch.
1235
01:11:12,442 --> 01:11:14,313
Most of the crowd,
to begin with,
1236
01:11:14,444 --> 01:11:16,881
didn't know who Ginger
Baker was.
1237
01:11:17,011 --> 01:11:19,927
Kids in the front row
with Megadeth T-shirts on
1238
01:11:20,058 --> 01:11:22,190
throwing stuff at Ginger.
1239
01:11:22,321 --> 01:11:24,280
How much can a man take?
1240
01:11:24,976 --> 01:11:26,499
I mean, he was having
to start all over again,
1241
01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:28,284
just like a new musician.
1242
01:11:28,414 --> 01:11:30,329
And they were treating him like,
1243
01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:31,852
"You know, you should be
happy. We got you a tour bus.
1244
01:11:31,983 --> 01:11:34,507
A lot of musicians don't
have tour buses."
1245
01:11:34,638 --> 01:11:37,945
And he's like, "I did this,
you know, 30 years ago.
1246
01:11:38,076 --> 01:11:39,425
I don't wanna do this again."
1247
01:11:39,556 --> 01:11:41,993
Do you
think Nirvana's the new Cream?
1248
01:11:43,429 --> 01:11:47,651
He had gotten a taste of
American music business,
1249
01:11:47,781 --> 01:11:51,481
Class of '93, and
he spit it out.
1250
01:11:51,611 --> 01:11:53,874
And I don't fuckin'
blame him one bit.
1251
01:11:54,875 --> 01:11:57,704
I didn't like LA at all.
1252
01:11:57,835 --> 01:12:00,011
He wasn't getting along
with the whole polo community
1253
01:12:00,141 --> 01:12:01,621
in California at that time,
1254
01:12:01,752 --> 01:12:05,233
so he was just ready to move
on and start all over again.
1255
01:12:07,845 --> 01:12:10,151
When he left to come out
here to Colorado,
1256
01:12:10,282 --> 01:12:12,197
nobody wanted to play
with him anymore.
1257
01:12:12,328 --> 01:12:15,374
So we started a polo club
called Mile High Polo.
1258
01:12:15,505 --> 01:12:16,984
And that worked out beautifully,
1259
01:12:17,115 --> 01:12:19,030
because he didn't have to go
and play with other people.
1260
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,510
They had to come play with him.
1261
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,990
Here
comes Ginger Baker.
1262
01:12:23,121 --> 01:12:24,470
Not only can he play drums,
1263
01:12:24,601 --> 01:12:25,645
but he can hit that ball
down the field.
1264
01:12:25,776 --> 01:12:26,951
People would come out,
1265
01:12:27,081 --> 01:12:28,735
bring their kids,
bring their dogs.
1266
01:12:28,866 --> 01:12:31,564
We'd have polo and then
jazz in the park.
1267
01:12:31,695 --> 01:12:34,828
He would get off the
horse, come over in his polo
uniform,
1268
01:12:34,959 --> 01:12:36,613
and sit down at the drums.
1269
01:12:36,743 --> 01:12:38,832
And then we'd just go
into somethin' from there.
1270
01:12:38,963 --> 01:12:41,139
So it was a pretty wild
experience to see.
1271
01:12:41,269 --> 01:12:43,837
And you could feel the
passion of both things.
1272
01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:56,110
DJQ20, it was probably
the best band I had.
1273
01:12:57,416 --> 01:13:00,854
It was great playing jazz again.
1274
01:13:00,985 --> 01:13:03,422
The music I came from.
1275
01:13:07,252 --> 01:13:09,950
Kofi was living with
us at the time,
1276
01:13:10,081 --> 01:13:13,214
and we used to do a lot
of drum things together.
1277
01:13:20,047 --> 01:13:21,658
He's got a prodigious technique.
1278
01:13:21,788 --> 01:13:24,356
He's got the most amazing
technique.
1279
01:13:24,487 --> 01:13:25,792
He's a hell of a sweet kid.
1280
01:13:25,923 --> 01:13:28,665
It was the closest I
ever got to my dad.
1281
01:13:29,666 --> 01:13:30,536
It was great fun.
1282
01:13:32,408 --> 01:13:33,844
And I actually got to
play with my dad,
1283
01:13:33,974 --> 01:13:37,108
and there was some form
of bond going on.
1284
01:13:37,238 --> 01:13:39,110
I mean, I wish I could've
done that my whole life.
1285
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:40,894
It would've been great.
1286
01:13:59,304 --> 01:14:02,220
He comes out of
jazz, plays rock, plays world
music.
1287
01:14:02,350 --> 01:14:04,309
I just thought, "We should
get some music together
1288
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:07,007
that shows him as
this major cat,
1289
01:14:07,138 --> 01:14:09,967
not, you know, a lesser
light than Max Roach,
1290
01:14:10,097 --> 01:14:11,925
but his own personal music."
1291
01:14:12,056 --> 01:14:15,538
Ron so inspired
Ginger, Ginger began to practice.
1292
01:14:15,668 --> 01:14:17,583
He began to rehearse.
1293
01:14:17,714 --> 01:14:19,498
Then, finally, they
came to New York
1294
01:14:19,629 --> 01:14:21,195
and played a gig at the Iridium
1295
01:14:21,326 --> 01:14:24,111
and just blew the doors
off the place.
1296
01:14:25,069 --> 01:14:27,550
It went down like
a fucking bomb.
1297
01:14:35,383 --> 01:14:38,343
At the Iridium in New York,
Max Roach came to the gig.
1298
01:14:39,866 --> 01:14:42,652
The first record he ever
bought was Max Roach.
1299
01:14:42,782 --> 01:14:44,697
I did one of the
best solos I've ever done
1300
01:14:44,828 --> 01:14:46,090
when Max was there.
1301
01:15:00,452 --> 01:15:02,889
I could see
Ginger's face on the break.
1302
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:04,369
Max hugged him.
1303
01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:06,589
It was like Max was saying,
"Yeah, you're in here,"
1304
01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:08,547
you know, "You're one of us."
1305
01:15:08,678 --> 01:15:11,550
He just had tears
coming down his face,
1306
01:15:11,681 --> 01:15:15,902
because he had achieved
the pinnacle of jazz
1307
01:15:16,033 --> 01:15:18,905
for an improvising musician
and a drummer.
1308
01:15:19,036 --> 01:15:21,560
He has a working band
that can go toe-to-toe
1309
01:15:21,691 --> 01:15:25,216
with any band in New York,
let alone planet Earth.
1310
01:15:25,346 --> 01:15:27,610
And he had not only
been accepted,
1311
01:15:27,740 --> 01:15:31,352
but accepted as a peer
and an equal.
1312
01:15:31,483 --> 01:15:34,660
The actual words
Max said were,
1313
01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:39,622
"Jesus, Ginger plays like
a nigger."
1314
01:15:39,752 --> 01:15:42,059
That, coming from someone
like Max Roach,
1315
01:15:42,189 --> 01:15:47,151
was an enormous compliment,
you know?
1316
01:15:49,327 --> 01:15:53,070
Four drummers in my life
that were absolute heroes.
1317
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,681
Phil Seamen was the first one,
1318
01:15:55,812 --> 01:16:00,164
Max Roach, Art Blakey,
and Elvin Jones.
1319
01:16:00,294 --> 01:16:05,256
All four of 'em became
friends, I mean friends.
1320
01:16:06,866 --> 01:16:07,693
Dear friends.
1321
01:16:08,607 --> 01:16:11,088
And that to me [voice
breaking] is worth
1322
01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:15,135
more to me than anything
in the world.
1323
01:16:38,768 --> 01:16:41,379
Anywhere Ginger goes,
it's just a matter of time
1324
01:16:42,598 --> 01:16:44,774
before there's gonna be
controversy going on.
1325
01:16:46,253 --> 01:16:48,125
Somebody did a very nasty
1326
01:16:49,256 --> 01:16:53,173
and resulted in Liz
gettin' arrested yesterday
1327
01:16:53,304 --> 01:16:54,653
by the immigration people.
1328
01:16:56,524 --> 01:16:58,701
He had an English groom
that was living with us.
1329
01:16:58,831 --> 01:17:01,747
But because her immigration
papers hadn't come through yet,
1330
01:17:01,878 --> 01:17:04,750
she was illegal, and
so they took her away.
1331
01:17:04,881 --> 01:17:06,665
And I started going crazy.
1332
01:17:08,275 --> 01:17:11,365
And there was these two
guys, Lewis and Floorwax,
1333
01:17:11,496 --> 01:17:13,846
who had a radio show
that I was on.
1334
01:17:13,977 --> 01:17:15,935
He came on the radio
show one morning
1335
01:17:16,066 --> 01:17:17,807
and started talking about it.
1336
01:17:17,937 --> 01:17:20,244
And he literally told
everybody to fuck off.
1337
01:17:20,374 --> 01:17:23,029
I mean, this
is a foul deed.
1338
01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,902
He said somethin' about
the United States of America
1339
01:17:26,032 --> 01:17:29,122
can kiss my ass or blow
me or somethin' like that.
1340
01:17:29,253 --> 01:17:30,646
I think that's the last
thing he said on our show.
1341
01:17:30,776 --> 01:17:32,909
I believe that was the
final sentence.
1342
01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:34,345
And so we
ended the interview,
1343
01:17:34,475 --> 01:17:37,087
and next thing we heard,
he was deported.
1344
01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:39,611
He thought he was
seeing the writing on the wall.
1345
01:17:39,742 --> 01:17:41,744
I'm the next target now.
1346
01:17:41,874 --> 01:17:43,746
So he decided to grab
his toys and leave
1347
01:17:43,876 --> 01:17:45,399
before they could kick him out.
1348
01:17:46,357 --> 01:17:47,663
People are saying
1349
01:17:47,793 --> 01:17:48,838
it's one of the best
records he's ever done,
1350
01:17:48,968 --> 01:17:49,969
and then he left.
1351
01:17:51,057 --> 01:17:53,407
We just put this record
out, and he just split.
1352
01:17:53,538 --> 01:17:55,018
Kofi would come over
every single day
1353
01:17:55,148 --> 01:17:56,541
and play with his dad.
1354
01:17:56,672 --> 01:17:58,543
And then a couple days
before he left,
1355
01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:00,893
kinda like you with the
cane to your face,
1356
01:18:01,024 --> 01:18:03,243
Ginger gave a verbal
cane to Kofi's face
1357
01:18:03,374 --> 01:18:05,463
and just basically
I think told him,
1358
01:18:05,593 --> 01:18:07,117
"You're a piece-of-shit drummer,
1359
01:18:07,247 --> 01:18:09,119
and you'll never be what I am,
and you just can't get it."
1360
01:18:09,249 --> 01:18:12,862
And that was it, his
way of saying goodbye.
1361
01:18:14,341 --> 01:18:15,429
Well, I asked him,
I asked him if,
1362
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:16,909
you know, I said, you know,
1363
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:18,955
"Do you even care about
anything I do or anything?"
1364
01:18:19,085 --> 01:18:20,304
He said, "No."
1365
01:18:20,434 --> 01:18:21,914
So I said, "Fine." So I
got in my car and left.
1366
01:18:22,045 --> 01:18:24,308
That was the last
time I saw him.
1367
01:18:33,317 --> 01:18:35,449
I don't know if it's
his ability to move on
1368
01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:37,451
or his inability to stay.
1369
01:18:38,452 --> 01:18:40,628
I think he has trouble staying,
1370
01:18:40,759 --> 01:18:43,066
and so moving on is his option.
1371
01:18:43,196 --> 01:18:44,850
I went with him on several
of those moves,
1372
01:18:44,981 --> 01:18:46,852
and then the last one,
I decided, "No.
1373
01:18:46,983 --> 01:18:49,463
I'm not up for one
more of these."
1374
01:18:54,033 --> 01:18:57,776
Maybe it goes back to
when his dad died.
1375
01:18:57,907 --> 01:18:59,996
He was just kinda taken
away abruptly,
1376
01:19:01,214 --> 01:19:03,260
and there was nothing
he could do about it.
1377
01:19:04,261 --> 01:19:09,005
The only time I
remember my
dad clearly is on the train,
1378
01:19:09,135 --> 01:19:11,747
when he went off after
his last leave.
1379
01:19:15,446 --> 01:19:18,579
And as the train pulled off,
I broke away from my mom
1380
01:19:18,710 --> 01:19:22,540
and went running down the
platform after the train, cryin'.
1381
01:19:26,674 --> 01:19:29,416
It was like I knew he
wasn't coming back.
1382
01:19:33,899 --> 01:19:38,774
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
1383
01:19:38,904 --> 01:19:43,866
♪ But I can't find
my way home ♪
1384
01:19:44,518 --> 01:19:47,870
♪ Can't, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
1385
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,219
♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪
1386
01:19:49,349 --> 01:19:54,354
♪ But I can't find
my way home ♪
1387
01:19:54,485 --> 01:19:59,446
♪ Still I can't find
My way home ♪
1388
01:20:00,099 --> 01:20:05,104
♪ And I ain't done
Nothing wrong ♪
1389
01:20:05,496 --> 01:20:07,541
♪ But I can't find
my way home ♪
1390
01:20:07,672 --> 01:20:10,806
20 years ago, South
Africa was the last place
1391
01:20:10,936 --> 01:20:12,416
I would ever have
dreamt of going,
1392
01:20:12,546 --> 01:20:14,331
because I was so, you know,
1393
01:20:14,461 --> 01:20:17,421
appalled at the apartheid
regime.
1394
01:20:17,551 --> 01:20:19,858
Well, now it's broken up.
1395
01:20:19,989 --> 01:20:22,905
South Africa has joined
the rest of the world.
1396
01:20:23,035 --> 01:20:23,688
So what
are you gonna do musically
1397
01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:24,820
when you get there?
1398
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:25,864
Do you have plans?
1399
01:20:26,734 --> 01:20:29,259
I have more plans than
you can dream of.
1400
01:20:29,389 --> 01:20:33,959
I mean, South Africa
is very rich musically.
1401
01:20:34,917 --> 01:20:36,092
Sweethearts
have done it all.
1402
01:20:36,222 --> 01:20:38,442
Fast broads, pretty, ambitious,
1403
01:20:38,572 --> 01:20:41,488
and after all the money
they can get out of a guy.
1404
01:20:41,619 --> 01:20:44,927
Those deadly dames leave behind
a trail of dead husbands.
1405
01:20:45,057 --> 01:20:46,276
If she
has to kill somebody,
1406
01:20:46,406 --> 01:20:47,538
she's going to.
1407
01:20:47,668 --> 01:20:49,496
Real-life
femme fatales.
1408
01:20:49,627 --> 01:20:54,327
I've got some
really cool music in my head.
1409
01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:59,115
I tried to do the polo
and jazz thing here.
1410
01:21:01,508 --> 01:21:05,121
But there's not that
many musicians over here.
1411
01:21:06,296 --> 01:21:07,993
But how much of
it is about you playing
1412
01:21:08,124 --> 01:21:10,126
because it's what
you love doing?
1413
01:21:11,170 --> 01:21:12,215
Well, it depends.
1414
01:21:12,650 --> 01:21:16,219
To have a good time, it depends
who you're playing with.
1415
01:21:18,482 --> 01:21:19,700
I mean, five years ago,
1416
01:21:19,831 --> 01:21:23,922
the Royal Albert Hall
gigs were just fantastic.
1417
01:21:42,201 --> 01:21:44,508
They were just great.
1418
01:21:44,638 --> 01:21:47,467
It was great to play with Eric,
1419
01:21:47,598 --> 01:21:49,208
and it was great to
play with Jack.
1420
01:21:49,339 --> 01:21:52,255
He did the reunion
in 2005 with Cream,
1421
01:21:52,385 --> 01:21:53,560
got a whole bunch of money,
1422
01:21:53,691 --> 01:21:58,652
and he got 24 horses he
imported from the UK.
1423
01:21:58,957 --> 01:22:01,090
Yeah, they cost him a fortune.
1424
01:22:02,482 --> 01:22:05,224
I've got 38 horses.
1425
01:22:05,355 --> 01:22:08,271
Horses don't let you
down, nor do dogs.
1426
01:22:11,622 --> 01:22:13,493
They all know who I am.
1427
01:22:14,451 --> 01:22:16,757
He got $5 million or
so from that reunion.
1428
01:22:16,888 --> 01:22:18,629
Now he's broke as shit.
1429
01:22:18,759 --> 01:22:20,065
He's blown all the money,
1430
01:22:20,196 --> 01:22:21,284
and he's got nothin'
to show for it.
1431
01:22:24,765 --> 01:22:26,158
He will go out of his way,
1432
01:22:26,898 --> 01:22:30,641
effortwise and timewise
and moneywise
1433
01:22:30,771 --> 01:22:32,860
to do everything
for his animals.
1434
01:22:32,991 --> 01:22:35,733
Sometimes I get the idea
that the animals comes first
1435
01:22:35,863 --> 01:22:39,650
and then the people.
1436
01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:44,742
♪ I found out today ♪
1437
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:50,400
♪ We're going wrong ♪
1438
01:23:14,467 --> 01:23:15,903
Do you think that
you might have to go back
1439
01:23:16,034 --> 01:23:17,557
to playing the drums again?
1440
01:23:18,776 --> 01:23:20,299
Why?
1441
01:23:20,430 --> 01:23:21,779
Because the bank might
foreclose on your property.
1442
01:23:21,909 --> 01:23:23,911
And besides, it's who you are.
1443
01:23:24,042 --> 01:23:28,046
Oh, for fuck's sake, why
are we talking this shit?
1444
01:23:29,613 --> 01:23:34,096
I think he's realizing
that his time really has come
1445
01:23:34,226 --> 01:23:35,967
to finish playing the drums.
1446
01:23:40,189 --> 01:23:42,800
Dogs in general, maybe
horses as well,
1447
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:46,934
but dogs specifically knows
when it's the end of the path.
1448
01:23:49,328 --> 01:23:50,677
They just give up.
1449
01:23:50,808 --> 01:23:53,550
You know, they know that
this is the end of the road.
1450
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,422
Obviously, some of 'em have got
fight in them, some doesn't.
1451
01:23:56,553 --> 01:24:01,558
But they realize that
they've had their life.
1452
01:24:01,819 --> 01:24:04,082
They won't die here
in front of you.
1453
01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:08,565
They will go underneath a bed,
where it's private, quiet.
1454
01:24:10,349 --> 01:24:15,311
♪ We're going wrong ♪
1455
01:24:16,094 --> 01:24:18,009
♪ Yeah ♪
1456
01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:22,100
Thank you.
1457
01:24:29,325 --> 01:24:30,500
You think you
can take your glasses off
1458
01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:31,457
for me, Ginger?
1459
01:24:33,851 --> 01:24:35,200
Why?
1460
01:24:35,331 --> 01:24:36,114
I'd like to
see your eyes.
1461
01:25:00,617 --> 01:25:04,925
I have terrible skepticism
about musicians that die young
1462
01:25:05,056 --> 01:25:08,233
and create legends which
are kinda mythical.
1463
01:25:08,364 --> 01:25:09,843
There's no myth about Ginger.
1464
01:25:09,974 --> 01:25:12,542
You know, he is exactly
what he is.
1465
01:25:12,672 --> 01:25:15,197
And that's the thing
that we value.
1466
01:25:20,811 --> 01:25:21,768
I don't know what
he is.
1467
01:25:21,899 --> 01:25:25,163
He's his own person,
and he's great.
1468
01:25:25,294 --> 01:25:28,601
He's definitely the best
Ginger Baker in the world,
1469
01:25:28,732 --> 01:25:29,950
and I love him.
1470
01:25:39,046 --> 01:25:41,048
It was our last
day of filming,
1471
01:25:41,179 --> 01:25:44,400
and here I am, saying goodbye.
1472
01:25:44,530 --> 01:25:46,793
He said, "Where are
you going now?"
1473
01:25:46,924 --> 01:25:49,970
And I said, "I'm gonna
go talk to these people
1474
01:25:50,101 --> 01:25:51,668
who are a part of your life."
1475
01:25:52,712 --> 01:25:56,368
And he was like, "Nah.
No, you're not."
1476
01:25:56,499 --> 01:26:00,459
And I don't want
any of them on my film!
1477
01:26:04,246 --> 01:26:04,898
Are you really
gonna hit me with the...
1478
01:26:05,029 --> 01:26:06,683
I fucking well am!
1479
01:26:06,813 --> 01:26:09,164
I'm gonna fucking put
you in hospital!
1480
01:26:10,077 --> 01:26:11,557
Why? Oh, my God!
1481
01:26:11,688 --> 01:26:12,515
Yes!
1482
01:26:15,474 --> 01:26:18,390
Ginger Baker just hit
me in the fucking nose.
1483
01:26:21,263 --> 01:26:22,960
At first I was really pissed.
1484
01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:25,354
- Say you're sorry!
- No!
1485
01:26:27,051 --> 01:26:28,966
But then I realized
1486
01:26:30,402 --> 01:26:33,362
the madman is alive and well,
1487
01:26:33,492 --> 01:26:36,713
with a precise message to
all those who dare enter.
1488
01:26:38,018 --> 01:26:40,151
Beware of Mr. Baker.
1489
01:26:42,022 --> 01:26:44,155
Ginger Baker!
Ginger Baker!
1490
01:26:44,286 --> 01:26:47,245
Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker!
1491
01:26:47,376 --> 01:26:49,595
Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker!
1492
01:26:50,727 --> 01:26:52,946
Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker!
1493
01:26:53,860 --> 01:26:55,253
Ginger Baker!
1494
01:26:55,384 --> 01:26:56,994
He seems to go
through wars and bombs,
1495
01:26:57,124 --> 01:27:00,780
and comes out the other
end unscathed, amazingly.
1496
01:27:00,911 --> 01:27:01,912
And you've gotta admire that.
1497
01:27:02,042 --> 01:27:03,653
You've gotta admire that,
1498
01:27:03,783 --> 01:27:04,567
that he doesn't ever, you know,
1499
01:27:04,697 --> 01:27:07,483
kind of give in and go, "Okay."
1500
01:27:07,613 --> 01:27:08,701
Ginger Baker!
Ginger Baker!
1501
01:27:08,832 --> 01:27:11,051
The indomitable
Ginger Baker
1502
01:27:11,182 --> 01:27:13,358
always gets up off the canvas.
1503
01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:19,582
After selling his horses, his
farm, and his Range Rover,
1504
01:27:20,017 --> 01:27:21,714
he goes back on the road
1505
01:27:21,845 --> 01:27:24,239
and to being the one thing
that he's always been.
1506
01:27:40,907 --> 01:27:42,300
Do what you like.
1507
01:27:43,170 --> 01:27:46,913
If you enjoy doing something
and you do it very well,
1508
01:27:47,044 --> 01:27:48,872
you can be successful
and enjoy life.
1509
01:27:50,177 --> 01:27:53,616
I like playing the
drums.
1510
01:27:54,834 --> 01:27:57,359
I know what my life's
experiences are,
1511
01:27:57,489 --> 01:28:01,667
and I like to exemplify
them in music.
1512
01:28:01,798 --> 01:28:04,061
Mr. Baker does the same.
1513
01:28:04,191 --> 01:28:07,020
If that makes him an
unpleasant person socially,
1514
01:28:07,151 --> 01:28:10,023
well, that's exactly
what is required
1515
01:28:10,154 --> 01:28:14,289
for the music from him
to be so superb.
1516
01:28:15,638 --> 01:28:18,597
And I cannot question anyone
1517
01:28:18,728 --> 01:28:20,686
with end results that perfect.
1518
01:29:00,813 --> 01:29:05,340
♪ Don't take the wrong
Direction ♪
1519
01:29:05,470 --> 01:29:08,299
♪ Passing through ♪
1520
01:29:10,170 --> 01:29:11,563
This is a
Hollywood movie here, so...
1521
01:29:11,694 --> 01:29:12,521
Oof.
1522
01:29:13,696 --> 01:29:15,262
It's gotta be
really dramatic,
1523
01:29:15,393 --> 01:29:17,961
and I need to get you to
cry at a certain point.
1524
01:29:18,091 --> 01:29:20,050
So if you could just cry
right now, that'd be...
1525
01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:21,443
Oh, yeah, okay.
1526
01:29:21,573 --> 01:29:23,270
You're dumb. You know that?
1527
01:29:23,575 --> 01:29:25,142
You really are dumb.
1528
01:29:25,272 --> 01:29:29,625
Good God, I'm talking to a
fucking block of moronic wood.
1529
01:29:29,755 --> 01:29:32,454
Just a single tear,
like really slow-motion,
1530
01:29:33,585 --> 01:29:35,500
and down the side of your face.
1531
01:29:35,631 --> 01:29:37,850
If we could just get
that shot, it'd be great.
1532
01:29:37,981 --> 01:29:40,636
♪ No relaxation ♪
1533
01:29:41,550 --> 01:29:45,075
Trying to explain to a dumb
American is very difficult.
1534
01:29:45,205 --> 01:29:49,340
If a stick had five right
ends and one wrong end,
1535
01:29:49,471 --> 01:29:52,604
you'd get the wrong
end every time.
1536
01:29:55,607 --> 01:30:00,569
There, I'm crying for you.
1537
01:30:00,786 --> 01:30:01,613
Hello?
1538
01:30:02,962 --> 01:30:05,530
Spring will be a little
late this year.
1539
01:30:05,661 --> 01:30:07,445
Talk about three short blanks.
1540
01:30:08,359 --> 01:30:10,187
You take the biscuit, boy.
1541
01:30:12,015 --> 01:30:13,930
You drive me fucking crazy.
1542
01:30:17,194 --> 01:30:21,938
♪ For you will hear
No laughter ♪
1543
01:30:22,068 --> 01:30:26,333
♪ Nor see the sun ♪
1544
01:30:26,464 --> 01:30:30,860
♪ Life will be one disaster ♪
1545
01:30:30,990 --> 01:30:35,952
♪ All the way through ♪
1546
01:30:37,344 --> 01:30:41,610
♪ No relaxation ♪
1547
01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:46,266
♪ No conversation ♪
1548
01:30:46,397 --> 01:30:49,400
♪ No variation ♪
1549
01:30:49,531 --> 01:30:53,578
♪ In a very dark blue ♪
1550
01:30:53,709 --> 01:30:58,714
♪ Blue condition ♪
1551
01:30:59,410 --> 01:31:03,762
♪ Don't take the wrong
Direction ♪
1552
01:31:03,893 --> 01:31:08,071
♪ Passing through ♪
1553
01:31:08,201 --> 01:31:12,989
♪ Instead of deep reflection ♪
1554
01:31:13,119 --> 01:31:16,906
♪ Of what's true ♪
1555
01:31:17,036 --> 01:31:21,388
♪ For it's a combination ♪
1556
01:31:21,519 --> 01:31:25,915
♪ Of judgments made by you ♪
1557
01:31:26,045 --> 01:31:30,267
♪ That cause a deep dejection ♪
1558
01:31:30,397 --> 01:31:35,359
♪ All the way through ♪
1559
01:31:37,013 --> 01:31:41,365
♪ No relaxation ♪
1560
01:31:41,496 --> 01:31:45,804
♪ No conversation ♪
1561
01:31:45,935 --> 01:31:49,025
♪ No variation ♪
1562
01:31:49,155 --> 01:31:53,420
♪ In a very dark blue ♪
1563
01:31:53,551 --> 01:31:58,513
♪ Blue condition ♪
1564
01:32:00,689 --> 01:32:05,084
♪ No relaxation ♪
1565
01:32:05,215 --> 01:32:09,393
♪ No conversation ♪
1566
01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:12,657
♪ No variation ♪
1567
01:32:12,788 --> 01:32:17,749
♪ In a very dark blue ♪
1568
01:32:18,837 --> 01:32:21,144
♪ Condition ♪
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