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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:49,092 --> 00:00:50,963 You just wanna push up 4 00:00:51,094 --> 00:00:54,663 the people I've moved here to get away from. 5 00:00:54,793 --> 00:00:57,709 I haven't spoken to not one single one of 'em 6 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,407 since I left there. 7 00:00:59,537 --> 00:01:03,889 And I don't want any of them on my film! 8 00:01:04,020 --> 00:01:05,543 You don't understand. 9 00:01:05,674 --> 00:01:06,936 I do understand. 10 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:07,893 Yeah. 11 00:01:09,591 --> 00:01:11,506 What the fuck is wrong with that? 12 00:01:11,636 --> 00:01:12,333 Are you really gonna hit me with the... 13 00:01:12,463 --> 00:01:14,161 I fucking well am! 14 00:01:14,291 --> 00:01:16,641 I'm gonna fucking put you in hospital! 15 00:01:22,778 --> 00:01:25,911 - My God! - Yes! 16 00:01:33,745 --> 00:01:36,705 Ginger Baker just hit me in the fucking nose. 17 00:01:46,410 --> 00:01:49,239 This film is about Ginger Baker, 18 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:52,503 a man who stands for something in life 19 00:01:52,634 --> 00:01:56,072 that probably most of you do not. 20 00:01:56,203 --> 00:01:58,118 Love and appreciate, 21 00:01:58,248 --> 00:02:03,166 no matter how awkward this character may appear to you. 22 00:02:05,386 --> 00:02:08,258 God bless him. May the road rise. 23 00:02:08,389 --> 00:02:10,782 He helped me rise my road. 24 00:02:10,913 --> 00:02:13,350 Love you, Ginger. Johnny Rotten! 25 00:02:13,481 --> 00:02:14,917 I'm your man. 26 00:02:29,845 --> 00:02:31,760 Ginger Baker is a motherfucker. That's it. 27 00:02:31,890 --> 00:02:33,892 He personally is what drums are all about. 28 00:02:34,023 --> 00:02:36,852 He is certifiably nuts. He's mad. 29 00:02:36,982 --> 00:02:38,462 I think he was kinda 30 00:02:38,593 --> 00:02:40,725 fairly consistently horrible to people and to himself. 31 00:02:40,856 --> 00:02:42,292 If they've got a problem with me, 32 00:02:42,423 --> 00:02:44,076 come and see me and punch me on the nose. 33 00:02:44,207 --> 00:02:46,731 I ain't gonna sue you. I'm gonna hit you back. 34 00:02:48,211 --> 00:02:49,169 He's moved around the world, 35 00:02:49,299 --> 00:02:51,040 getting thrown out of every country. 36 00:02:51,171 --> 00:02:52,781 He's a rogue. He's a lovable rogue. 37 00:02:52,911 --> 00:02:53,869 He was a fucking dope addict, man. 38 00:02:53,999 --> 00:02:56,045 He was into drugs heavily. 39 00:02:56,176 --> 00:02:58,352 Are you surprised that he's still living? 40 00:02:58,482 --> 00:03:00,005 Yes, I am. 41 00:03:00,136 --> 00:03:01,746 If a plane went down and it was one person gonna get off, 42 00:03:01,877 --> 00:03:03,008 it would be Ginger. 43 00:03:03,139 --> 00:03:04,532 He was like a scary guy. 44 00:03:04,662 --> 00:03:07,448 When I would look at him, he looked like the devil. 45 00:03:07,578 --> 00:03:09,841 The devil takes care of its own, yes. 46 00:03:09,972 --> 00:03:12,322 Like a great virtuoso madman. 47 00:03:12,453 --> 00:03:15,238 Maybe you have to be a little mad to play the way he does. 48 00:03:15,369 --> 00:03:16,935 Probably the greatest drummer 49 00:03:17,066 --> 00:03:18,067 that any of us had ever heard. 50 00:03:18,198 --> 00:03:19,982 He was the hammer of the gods. 51 00:03:20,112 --> 00:03:21,070 He's a force of nature. 52 00:03:21,201 --> 00:03:22,941 The world's greatest drummer. 53 00:03:23,072 --> 00:03:26,728 He influenced me as a drummer, but not as a person. 54 00:03:31,994 --> 00:03:33,343 Ginger Baker on drums! 55 00:03:40,132 --> 00:03:41,743 I was 26 years old, 56 00:03:41,873 --> 00:03:45,921 and my friend popped in a DVD of this redheaded madman 57 00:03:46,051 --> 00:03:48,532 driving across the Sahara Desert. 58 00:03:48,663 --> 00:03:52,449 My initial reaction was, "This guy has to be dead." 59 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:54,103 But I searched for his name on the internet, 60 00:03:54,234 --> 00:03:56,366 - and, lo and behold, I - found this article: 61 00:03:56,497 --> 00:03:59,587 "Ginger Baker vows to strip in South African court 62 00:03:59,717 --> 00:04:02,154 to prove that woman claiming to be his lover 63 00:04:02,285 --> 00:04:04,418 has never seen his cock before." 64 00:04:07,856 --> 00:04:09,771 Not only was he still alive, 65 00:04:09,901 --> 00:04:12,121 but he's still a fucking madman. 66 00:04:13,165 --> 00:04:14,558 I have to meet this guy. 67 00:04:14,689 --> 00:04:15,429 Ginger. Ginger. 68 00:04:15,559 --> 00:04:16,647 Hey, Ginger, it's Jay. 69 00:04:16,778 --> 00:04:18,301 Hey, it's Jay Bulger. 70 00:04:18,432 --> 00:04:20,564 I told him I was a writer for Rolling Stone magazine, 71 00:04:20,695 --> 00:04:22,000 Which was a total lie. 72 00:04:22,131 --> 00:04:23,480 I wanna come and write an article 73 00:04:23,611 --> 00:04:25,134 about your trip to Africa. 74 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:26,657 But that was my in, 75 00:04:26,788 --> 00:04:30,008 and he invited me to come down and hear his story. 76 00:04:32,533 --> 00:04:33,534 Oh, are you all right? 77 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:37,625 Your dog got poisoned? 78 00:04:37,755 --> 00:04:39,409 Hey, feel better. I'll call you on Wednesday. 79 00:04:39,540 --> 00:04:40,628 I'm coming out there, bye. 80 00:04:40,758 --> 00:04:41,846 And I flew to South Africa 81 00:04:41,977 --> 00:04:43,979 and just kinda showed up at his house. 82 00:04:44,849 --> 00:04:46,764 Mr. Baker, nice to finally meet you. 83 00:04:48,375 --> 00:04:49,158 Huh? 84 00:04:49,289 --> 00:04:50,725 Thanks for having me. 85 00:04:51,595 --> 00:04:52,422 Yeah. 86 00:04:52,553 --> 00:04:53,641 And I lived with him. 87 00:04:55,599 --> 00:04:56,992 It was a truly humbling experience. 88 00:04:58,472 --> 00:05:00,038 Why don't you listen to the fucking story? 89 00:05:00,169 --> 00:05:01,823 This is a fucking nightmare. 90 00:05:01,953 --> 00:05:03,172 Fucking my brain up. 91 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:05,217 People zapper. 92 00:05:07,045 --> 00:05:08,133 I wrote an article, 93 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:10,614 and it was published in Rolling Stone. 94 00:05:14,705 --> 00:05:16,577 Thank you, Ginger Baker. 95 00:05:16,707 --> 00:05:19,057 He had gifted me with a career as a journalist, 96 00:05:19,188 --> 00:05:22,713 but I owed him so much more than just words on paper. 97 00:05:22,844 --> 00:05:26,369 People needed to meet the man, hear him play the drums, 98 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,981 and experience this legendary character for themselves. 99 00:05:37,815 --> 00:05:40,992 Phew. 100 00:05:44,169 --> 00:05:46,911 As we enter into the Ginger Baker compound. 101 00:05:47,042 --> 00:05:50,393 Okay, the laws of South Africa, which are loose enough, 102 00:05:50,524 --> 00:05:52,221 no longer apply. 103 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:03,580 My friends. 104 00:06:09,891 --> 00:06:11,980 - How are you? - I'm great. 105 00:06:12,110 --> 00:06:13,808 Look, you got a smile on your face. 106 00:06:15,157 --> 00:06:17,159 - You missed me! - Yeah. 107 00:06:17,289 --> 00:06:19,596 You missed me! I can see it in your eyes. 108 00:06:21,511 --> 00:06:23,383 So, you've been practicing the drums? 109 00:06:25,472 --> 00:06:26,342 Haven't touched them? 110 00:06:26,473 --> 00:06:27,648 Haven't touched them for months. 111 00:06:27,778 --> 00:06:28,562 Really? 112 00:06:30,172 --> 00:06:31,347 Meet Ginger Baker. 113 00:06:32,174 --> 00:06:33,001 Hello. 114 00:06:33,131 --> 00:06:35,046 The man, the myth, the legend. 115 00:06:36,352 --> 00:06:38,223 The only thing I can say to that, really, 116 00:06:38,354 --> 00:06:43,315 is it's far too long a story to say on one interview. 117 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,667 I'm writing a book. 118 00:06:46,797 --> 00:06:48,233 When the book's published... 119 00:06:48,364 --> 00:06:49,452 Really? 120 00:06:49,583 --> 00:06:51,628 Read it, and perhaps you'll understand. 121 00:06:53,151 --> 00:06:54,588 And when were you born? 122 00:06:56,241 --> 00:06:57,982 You know when I was born. 123 00:07:00,768 --> 00:07:02,030 It's in the book. 124 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,032 Fuck the book. We're not doing the book. 125 00:07:04,162 --> 00:07:07,644 It's the 19th of August, 1939, 126 00:07:07,775 --> 00:07:11,300 three weeks or so before war was declared. 127 00:07:18,046 --> 00:07:20,091 My dad was a hero. 128 00:07:22,529 --> 00:07:25,096 He died when I was four and a half years old. 129 00:07:28,578 --> 00:07:30,406 You don't see bombs dropping, 130 00:07:30,537 --> 00:07:33,496 'cause the siren goes off, and you're in the shelter. 131 00:07:34,671 --> 00:07:36,281 You hear them. 132 00:07:43,158 --> 00:07:44,942 They used to go "bop, bop, bop, bop, bop," 133 00:07:45,073 --> 00:07:46,988 this funny little clattering noise. 134 00:07:47,118 --> 00:07:49,381 And then the noise would stop, 135 00:07:49,512 --> 00:07:51,471 and they'd go [whistles]... 136 00:07:54,648 --> 00:07:56,432 When we went back to school, 137 00:07:56,563 --> 00:07:59,087 there were quite a few empty desks, yeah. 138 00:08:05,397 --> 00:08:08,357 Yeah, the bombs going off, 139 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:11,708 you know, to me was great. 140 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:15,059 I still love explosions to this day, you know? 141 00:08:15,190 --> 00:08:17,671 You don't know, right. 142 00:08:17,801 --> 00:08:19,150 I love disasters. 143 00:08:24,416 --> 00:08:26,506 I was considered a troublemaker, 144 00:08:26,636 --> 00:08:30,248 a smart-ass, brainless child. 145 00:08:30,379 --> 00:08:32,555 I was part of this school gang, 146 00:08:32,686 --> 00:08:35,253 and we'd go in this record shop, 147 00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:38,343 and the other guys would be nicking records. 148 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,259 But I was a decoy. 149 00:08:42,130 --> 00:08:45,307 I'd just take records into the booths and play 'em. 150 00:08:45,437 --> 00:08:46,700 And then one day, 151 00:08:46,830 --> 00:08:50,747 I heard "The Quintet of the Year." 152 00:08:59,277 --> 00:09:01,584 I didn't even have a record player, but I nicked it. 153 00:09:01,715 --> 00:09:03,020 All of a sudden, 154 00:09:03,151 --> 00:09:05,762 there was something that I really could relate to. 155 00:09:05,893 --> 00:09:08,460 You know, Max on "The Quintet of the Year" 156 00:09:08,591 --> 00:09:10,898 is just out of this fucking world. 157 00:09:22,344 --> 00:09:26,740 My mom found the records, and she went fucking crazy. 158 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:28,742 Mom used to use the strap on him, 159 00:09:28,872 --> 00:09:30,657 and it made no difference. 160 00:09:30,787 --> 00:09:33,224 I used to be in my bedroom, 161 00:09:33,355 --> 00:09:35,879 listening to him being strapped and screaming. 162 00:09:36,010 --> 00:09:37,968 But it made no difference. 163 00:09:38,099 --> 00:09:41,493 She just said, "Look, if ever I find you 164 00:09:41,624 --> 00:09:44,018 doing something dishonest like this, 165 00:09:44,148 --> 00:09:46,498 I will call the police." 166 00:09:46,629 --> 00:09:50,241 So I wouldn't talk to the gang anymore, 167 00:09:50,372 --> 00:09:53,723 and I got beaten up several times by them. 168 00:09:53,854 --> 00:09:56,596 Started carving me up with a razor blade 169 00:09:56,726 --> 00:09:58,032 with tape around it. 170 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,340 They carved all these lines all over my arms 171 00:10:02,471 --> 00:10:04,560 and my face and everything. 172 00:10:04,691 --> 00:10:07,432 I wasn't very popular when I went back to school. 173 00:10:09,957 --> 00:10:13,830 It was about this time that I'd got the letter from my dad. 174 00:10:14,831 --> 00:10:19,749 He wrote a letter for me to be opened when I was 14. 175 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,926 "My dear son, it's just a little advice 176 00:10:23,057 --> 00:10:26,408 in the way I should like you to turn out. 177 00:10:26,538 --> 00:10:30,673 Be a man at all times. Hold your own ground. 178 00:10:30,804 --> 00:10:34,459 Use your fists. They are your best pals so often. 179 00:10:35,547 --> 00:10:37,941 I remain your loving father." 180 00:10:39,421 --> 00:10:42,946 Before that, if people used to punch me and that, 181 00:10:43,077 --> 00:10:46,384 I just used to cry and think, "Why are they hitting me?" 182 00:10:46,515 --> 00:10:48,169 You know, I wouldn't retaliate. 183 00:10:48,299 --> 00:10:50,475 And I beat this kid up. 184 00:10:56,177 --> 00:10:57,178 I was gonna kill him. 185 00:10:59,789 --> 00:11:02,226 It's the Baker temper. 186 00:11:02,357 --> 00:11:04,794 I've learnt to control it, but he hasn't. 187 00:11:07,797 --> 00:11:12,367 I was drumming all the time, as long as I can remember. 188 00:11:12,497 --> 00:11:15,152 I was always banging on the desks in school, 189 00:11:15,283 --> 00:11:17,111 and they were all just boogiein' and dancin' 190 00:11:17,241 --> 00:11:19,069 and going crazy. 191 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,682 There was a party, and they had a band there. 192 00:11:22,812 --> 00:11:24,858 And all the kids from school kept saying, "Go on. 193 00:11:24,988 --> 00:11:27,774 Go and play the drums. Go and play the drums." 194 00:11:27,904 --> 00:11:31,516 And I just sat down, and I could play. 195 00:11:31,647 --> 00:11:32,779 That's when a light went off, 196 00:11:32,909 --> 00:11:36,217 I went "Fuck, I'm a drummer." 197 00:11:42,136 --> 00:11:43,572 It's a gift from God, Jay. 198 00:11:43,703 --> 00:11:46,314 You've either got it or you haven't. 199 00:11:46,444 --> 00:11:47,271 I had it. 200 00:11:51,406 --> 00:11:52,712 Had what? 201 00:11:52,842 --> 00:11:53,669 Time. 202 00:11:55,584 --> 00:11:56,628 Natural time. 203 00:12:06,769 --> 00:12:09,380 His drumbeat is so personal that I always know, 204 00:12:09,511 --> 00:12:11,687 I always know if it's him. 205 00:12:11,818 --> 00:12:14,472 I started doing quite well, I guess. 206 00:12:14,603 --> 00:12:18,955 I'd got a sort of reputation as a jazz drummer. 207 00:12:19,086 --> 00:12:20,652 My boyfriend at the time said, 208 00:12:20,783 --> 00:12:22,829 "Oh, you wanna hear this drummer. 209 00:12:22,959 --> 00:12:25,005 He's really great." 210 00:12:25,135 --> 00:12:27,616 She really could dance. She had really good time. 211 00:12:29,618 --> 00:12:31,315 And a good body, obviously. 212 00:12:32,839 --> 00:12:35,145 He's always been insecure deep down. 213 00:12:36,190 --> 00:12:39,541 And I think Ginger did search for a father figure, 214 00:12:41,064 --> 00:12:43,066 but they were always a drummer. 215 00:12:44,067 --> 00:12:47,897 One night, I was playing the all-nighter in the Flamingo, 216 00:12:48,028 --> 00:12:52,815 and I'd got offstage to be confronted by God. 217 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:06,437 Phil was just the most amazing drummer. 218 00:13:06,568 --> 00:13:09,571 He's the only drummer at that time 219 00:13:09,701 --> 00:13:11,747 that brought tears to my eyes. 220 00:13:12,704 --> 00:13:16,796 He said, "You're the first fucking drummer I've heard here. 221 00:13:16,926 --> 00:13:18,232 Come with me." 222 00:13:18,362 --> 00:13:22,889 So we go down into his basement flat, 223 00:13:23,019 --> 00:13:26,066 and that is when I got introduced to heroin 224 00:13:26,196 --> 00:13:28,503 and the African drummers. 225 00:13:29,373 --> 00:13:32,420 He tied this thing around his arm and told me, 226 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:34,422 "When I tell you, undo it." 227 00:13:34,552 --> 00:13:38,600 And his arms were fucking just a mass of scars 228 00:13:38,730 --> 00:13:40,123 and tracks and stuff. 229 00:13:41,255 --> 00:13:42,909 And he managed to hit a vein, 230 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:45,607 and I pulled the thing off, and he shot up. 231 00:13:48,044 --> 00:13:51,178 Then he gets out all these African records 232 00:13:51,308 --> 00:13:53,615 and Watusi drummers. 233 00:13:56,618 --> 00:14:00,927 Gets out all these African records and Watusi drummers. 234 00:14:14,201 --> 00:14:15,855 Phil said, "Where's the beat?" 235 00:14:17,508 --> 00:14:19,728 And I'm doing like a three beat on it. 236 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:21,861 And he said, "No, no, no. Listen." 237 00:14:21,991 --> 00:14:24,646 And he played this four, the real beat, 238 00:14:26,561 --> 00:14:28,824 and it was like a fucking light going on it. 239 00:14:29,781 --> 00:14:34,743 Wow! The basic African rhythms were so fucking cool. 240 00:14:47,712 --> 00:14:49,801 Then Phil's giving me a great lecture 241 00:14:49,932 --> 00:14:54,415 about how I must never touch heroin ever. 242 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,505 And I walked back five miles or something 243 00:14:57,635 --> 00:15:00,377 in the early-morning sunshine 244 00:15:00,508 --> 00:15:02,902 with Africa going through my head. 245 00:15:04,381 --> 00:15:07,428 I think with Ginger and the heroin, 246 00:15:07,558 --> 00:15:11,475 it was more he thought it would improve his playing. 247 00:15:11,606 --> 00:15:13,564 You're fearless if you use smack. 248 00:15:13,695 --> 00:15:15,392 You don't have any feelings. 249 00:15:15,523 --> 00:15:18,091 You're not scared of anybody or anything. 250 00:15:18,221 --> 00:15:20,658 Whatever you wanted to play, you played. 251 00:15:21,833 --> 00:15:25,098 It was just wonderful. 252 00:15:25,228 --> 00:15:26,751 He didn't want to be a family man 253 00:15:26,882 --> 00:15:29,624 or anything like that, really and truly. 254 00:15:29,754 --> 00:15:31,408 Liz discovered she was pregnant, 255 00:15:31,539 --> 00:15:33,933 and we were only 20 years old. 256 00:15:34,063 --> 00:15:37,327 So she tried to get rid of it, 257 00:15:37,458 --> 00:15:39,155 and it didn't work, thank God. 258 00:15:39,286 --> 00:15:40,765 They didn't want to have a child, 259 00:15:40,896 --> 00:15:42,811 And my mom took something, some tablets. 260 00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:46,815 He got some tablets off another drummer to get rid of me. 261 00:15:46,946 --> 00:15:48,948 I don't care. 262 00:15:49,078 --> 00:15:51,167 They would've been doing me a bloody favor. 263 00:15:51,298 --> 00:15:53,953 But, no, I don't mind, but it didn't work. 264 00:15:54,083 --> 00:15:56,172 No screaming or anything. 265 00:15:56,303 --> 00:15:57,652 The baby come out. 266 00:15:57,782 --> 00:15:59,306 And I'm carefully looking 267 00:15:59,436 --> 00:16:01,873 to make sure it's got all its toes and fingers and stuff, 268 00:16:02,004 --> 00:16:03,788 you know, thinking about the time 269 00:16:03,919 --> 00:16:08,010 we tried to abort it and stuff. 270 00:16:08,141 --> 00:16:10,534 There was this little kid. 271 00:16:10,665 --> 00:16:14,408 And that's when I decided to get straight, 272 00:16:14,538 --> 00:16:17,889 and it took me another fuckin' 19 years or so. 273 00:16:19,108 --> 00:16:20,414 So, what's the difference 274 00:16:20,544 --> 00:16:23,243 between your state of chemical dependencies now 275 00:16:23,373 --> 00:16:25,158 than it was when you were a junkie? 276 00:16:25,288 --> 00:16:26,420 I've no idea. 277 00:16:28,335 --> 00:16:30,554 I take it every day. 278 00:16:30,685 --> 00:16:34,341 It's called degenerative osteoarthritis. 279 00:16:34,471 --> 00:16:36,517 Is that why you haven't been playing the drums? 280 00:16:36,647 --> 00:16:37,474 What? 281 00:16:39,868 --> 00:16:42,697 Don't you... fuck... how I restrain myself 282 00:16:42,827 --> 00:16:46,657 from throwing everything at you, Jay, I don't know. 283 00:16:48,094 --> 00:16:50,313 There's nothing you can do about it, is there? 284 00:16:54,361 --> 00:16:56,015 You're not gonna give up? 285 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:00,193 Sometimes I feel like doing just that. 286 00:17:12,727 --> 00:17:14,468 When you first met Jack Bruce, 287 00:17:14,598 --> 00:17:18,994 was it as if you knew you had met your musical counterpart? 288 00:17:19,125 --> 00:17:21,083 Early on, for sure, yeah. 289 00:17:22,389 --> 00:17:25,914 I mean, he's a fuckin' brilliant player. 290 00:17:26,045 --> 00:17:28,525 There's no doubt about that. 291 00:17:28,656 --> 00:17:31,702 Ginger looked like a complete and utter madman. 292 00:17:31,833 --> 00:17:33,443 He was the loudest drummer I'd ever heard. 293 00:17:33,574 --> 00:17:34,792 And I wanted to play with him, 294 00:17:34,923 --> 00:17:37,230 so I asked if I could sit in. 295 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,841 Kept bugging us to sit in, 296 00:17:39,971 --> 00:17:41,930 and he wouldn't fuckin' go away. 297 00:17:42,061 --> 00:17:43,540 So, of course, they did the thing 298 00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:47,544 that jazz musicians always do, which is to try and cut you. 299 00:17:47,675 --> 00:17:50,025 I think the first thing they played was very, very fast. 300 00:17:50,156 --> 00:17:53,855 And he played it. 301 00:17:53,985 --> 00:17:56,118 Which is quite extraordinary. 302 00:17:56,249 --> 00:18:00,818 Jack got the gig with Alexis Korner's Blues Incorporated, 303 00:18:00,949 --> 00:18:04,692 and none of 'em were terribly happy with the drummer, 304 00:18:04,822 --> 00:18:06,824 who was Charlie Watts. 305 00:18:06,955 --> 00:18:09,262 I actually don't know how long Ginger was with the band. 306 00:18:09,392 --> 00:18:14,093 I know he took over for me, on my recommendation. 307 00:18:14,223 --> 00:18:17,922 Charlie left the band so that I could join. 308 00:18:21,404 --> 00:18:23,667 Can you tell me the story of Mick Jagger? 309 00:18:26,105 --> 00:18:26,931 - Can you tell me... - "Can you tell me 310 00:18:27,236 --> 00:18:30,326 what it was like meeting Mick Jagger?" 311 00:18:31,675 --> 00:18:36,550 This effeminate-looking kid got up and sung one number. 312 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,901 And I'm going, "Jack, who is this stupid little cunt? 313 00:18:40,031 --> 00:18:42,121 What's he doing here?" 314 00:18:42,251 --> 00:18:44,819 Jack and I used to put some jazz things in, 315 00:18:45,907 --> 00:18:48,692 completely throw him off. 316 00:18:48,823 --> 00:18:51,565 I mean, I was a heavy junkie at the time, 317 00:18:51,695 --> 00:18:56,004 so I just terrified the shit out of him. 318 00:18:56,135 --> 00:19:00,051 And then Alexis decided to get Graham in the band. 319 00:19:00,182 --> 00:19:02,663 My first reaction to that was, "Fucking no. 320 00:19:02,793 --> 00:19:05,840 Alexis, watch it, 'cause he'll steal half the band," 321 00:19:05,970 --> 00:19:08,016 which is exactly what he did. 322 00:19:08,147 --> 00:19:09,409 Can you contextualize 323 00:19:09,539 --> 00:19:10,584 who we're speaking about right now? 324 00:19:10,714 --> 00:19:13,239 Well, I've just said it, for fuck's sake. 325 00:19:13,369 --> 00:19:14,805 You just said "Graham." That's it. 326 00:19:14,936 --> 00:19:16,633 People who don't know who Graham is. 327 00:19:19,767 --> 00:19:21,856 Graham Bond was a fat guy. 328 00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:27,253 ♪ Well, I was standing on the Corner, waiting to go home ♪ 329 00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:30,691 ♪ When I heard this sound That made me wanna go ♪ 330 00:19:30,821 --> 00:19:34,085 ♪ Well, it was comin' from A doss across the street ♪ 331 00:19:34,216 --> 00:19:37,567 ♪ It was kinda stompy, With an R&B beat ♪ 332 00:19:37,698 --> 00:19:39,569 ♪ It went harmonica, oh ♪ 333 00:19:39,700 --> 00:19:43,094 Graham Bond Organization was, to musicians, 334 00:19:43,225 --> 00:19:45,184 what The Beatles were to the public. 335 00:19:45,314 --> 00:19:46,620 Brilliant. 336 00:19:46,750 --> 00:19:48,970 Jack Bruce, Ginger Baker, Dick Heckstall-Smith, 337 00:19:49,100 --> 00:19:51,538 and Graham Bond were at the top. 338 00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:55,150 We were a band trying to be like a band in Chicago. 339 00:19:55,281 --> 00:19:57,413 But they were something else, you know? 340 00:19:57,544 --> 00:19:59,459 ♪ Playin' with an R&B band ♪ 341 00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:00,677 ♪ Oh, yeah ♪ 342 00:20:00,808 --> 00:20:02,549 His reputation was as being, you know, 343 00:20:02,679 --> 00:20:05,247 probably the best drummer around in those days. 344 00:20:05,378 --> 00:20:09,251 It was really Ginger's first taste of fame, yes. 345 00:20:09,382 --> 00:20:10,818 It's the same with you, Ginger. 346 00:20:10,948 --> 00:20:12,515 This is beat. 347 00:20:13,908 --> 00:20:16,911 Don't worry about splitting your skins. 348 00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:18,478 They can be replaced. 349 00:20:20,610 --> 00:20:21,829 And so can you. 350 00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:23,787 They did sort of contain 351 00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:26,094 the seeds of their own destruction, 352 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:28,314 what with Graham and Ginger's bad habits 353 00:20:28,444 --> 00:20:31,186 and the conflict between Jack and Ginger. 354 00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:32,622 For two musicians 355 00:20:32,753 --> 00:20:35,364 who were incredibly complementary to each other 356 00:20:35,495 --> 00:20:38,062 and who have played consistently over the years, 357 00:20:38,193 --> 00:20:43,154 it's really remarkable how well they didn't get along. 358 00:20:43,677 --> 00:20:47,333 It was a very sad situation, really. 359 00:20:47,463 --> 00:20:51,206 In the early days, when he was following me more, 360 00:20:51,337 --> 00:20:53,861 the music was really fucking great. 361 00:20:53,991 --> 00:20:57,343 When I switched from upright bass to bass guitar, 362 00:20:57,473 --> 00:21:00,041 that wasn't what Ginger wanted. 363 00:21:00,171 --> 00:21:02,739 I think that was when the problems started. 364 00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:04,959 Jack's like a guy who gets up 365 00:21:05,829 --> 00:21:09,398 before the sun comes to see the sun rise. 366 00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:12,532 He sees the sun come halfway over the horizon 367 00:21:12,662 --> 00:21:15,099 and runs home and says, "I've seen the sun rise." 368 00:21:17,058 --> 00:21:21,541 That was how Jack got the time things 369 00:21:21,671 --> 00:21:22,890 that I was showing him. 370 00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:26,763 He didn't get the full picture. 371 00:21:26,894 --> 00:21:27,851 I have perfect time, 372 00:21:27,982 --> 00:21:30,419 which is a quite useful thing to have. 373 00:21:30,550 --> 00:21:31,986 Very few people have that. 374 00:21:33,030 --> 00:21:34,423 It's just a gift. 375 00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:37,818 The last number was always the drum solo. 376 00:21:37,948 --> 00:21:40,647 And I've kicked into the drum solo, 377 00:21:40,777 --> 00:21:43,476 and Jack's, like, playing with me. 378 00:21:43,606 --> 00:21:44,825 Why would I do that? 379 00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:47,088 I wouldn't be playing during his drum solo. 380 00:21:47,218 --> 00:21:50,439 And I offloaded a right-hander on him. 381 00:21:52,093 --> 00:21:54,661 He went down on the ground, and I'm kicking him. 382 00:21:54,791 --> 00:21:57,011 You know, "Get up, you little cunt!" 383 00:21:57,141 --> 00:21:59,230 I was kicking the shit out of him. 384 00:22:03,017 --> 00:22:06,716 I just let go, and I was gonna kick him to death. 385 00:22:06,847 --> 00:22:10,503 And then he pulled a knife on me and said, "You're fired." 386 00:22:10,633 --> 00:22:11,765 And I said, "But you can't fire me. 387 00:22:11,895 --> 00:22:13,680 It's The Graham Bond Organization, 388 00:22:13,810 --> 00:22:15,464 and I'm the founding member." 389 00:22:15,595 --> 00:22:16,770 But poor old Graham, 390 00:22:16,900 --> 00:22:19,033 he was well gone into smack by that time, 391 00:22:19,163 --> 00:22:20,904 so he didn't really care. 392 00:22:21,035 --> 00:22:23,646 Graham was probably a bigger disaster area 393 00:22:23,777 --> 00:22:24,647 than Ginger was. 394 00:22:25,822 --> 00:22:28,042 We'd be using a mixture of cocaine, heroin, 395 00:22:28,172 --> 00:22:32,263 and lysergic acid in a fix. 396 00:22:32,394 --> 00:22:35,876 I was very hurt by not the knife thing, I didn't, 397 00:22:36,006 --> 00:22:40,097 but the fact that I was out of that band. 398 00:22:41,229 --> 00:22:42,491 And it was very stupid of him, 399 00:22:42,622 --> 00:22:44,667 because the band was doing well, 400 00:22:44,798 --> 00:22:48,236 and I was quite an important part of the band. 401 00:22:48,367 --> 00:22:52,196 The band continued being very successful 402 00:22:52,327 --> 00:22:54,938 and just reached a point where I thought, 403 00:22:55,069 --> 00:22:59,290 "I've been running the band successfully for three years. 404 00:23:00,335 --> 00:23:03,817 Why don't I run my own band instead?" 405 00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:20,268 The first person I thought of was Eric. 406 00:23:28,276 --> 00:23:31,279 He saw something in me that I never saw before. 407 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,020 He would say it was about time. 408 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:36,980 He had time that very few people have. 409 00:23:37,111 --> 00:23:38,634 Eric had it. 410 00:23:38,765 --> 00:23:41,463 Ginger was pretty dismissive and antisocial. 411 00:23:41,594 --> 00:23:43,422 Seriously antisocial. 412 00:23:43,552 --> 00:23:45,380 But he had the gift. 413 00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:48,557 He had the spark, the flair, the panache. 414 00:23:48,688 --> 00:23:50,516 He had it in spades. 415 00:23:50,646 --> 00:23:52,518 And Jack had the same thing. 416 00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:56,304 He said, "What about Jack as the bass player?" 417 00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:58,915 And all the red lights in the world went off, 418 00:23:59,046 --> 00:24:01,440 and I thought, "Oh, God." 419 00:24:01,570 --> 00:24:05,095 I was very surprised when he came knocking again. 420 00:24:05,226 --> 00:24:06,662 I didn't see that coming, no. 421 00:24:06,793 --> 00:24:08,882 I didn't expect that, no. 422 00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:16,280 ♪ Feel when I dance with you ♪ 423 00:24:16,411 --> 00:24:21,416 ♪ We move like the sea ♪ 424 00:24:21,851 --> 00:24:25,202 ♪ I feel free ♪ 425 00:24:27,117 --> 00:24:29,685 ♪ I can walk down the street, There's no one there ♪ 426 00:24:29,816 --> 00:24:32,340 ♪ Though the pavements Are one huge crowd ♪ 427 00:24:32,471 --> 00:24:35,038 ♪ I can drive down the Road, my eyes don't see ♪ 428 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:37,954 ♪ Though my mind wants To cry out loud ♪ 429 00:24:38,085 --> 00:24:39,478 ♪ Ah ♪ 430 00:24:39,608 --> 00:24:41,915 When an atomic bomb went off like that, 431 00:24:42,045 --> 00:24:44,221 like I think Cream really represented, 432 00:24:44,352 --> 00:24:46,397 it overwhelmed everything. 433 00:24:56,146 --> 00:24:59,149 When Hendrix came to England, he wanted to jam with Cream, 434 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,891 because there was nobody else that he admired as much. 435 00:25:02,326 --> 00:25:05,025 They were the beginning of many, many things. 436 00:25:05,155 --> 00:25:07,027 Cream absolutely might be called 437 00:25:07,157 --> 00:25:07,854 the first progressive band. 438 00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:09,159 The first supergroup. 439 00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:11,684 The first band that played in big arenas. 440 00:25:11,814 --> 00:25:13,076 The first jam band. 441 00:25:13,207 --> 00:25:16,079 They were breaking out of the chains of pop. 442 00:25:22,956 --> 00:25:23,870 ♪ And you see a girl's ♪ 443 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,480 We were fucking good. 444 00:25:25,611 --> 00:25:27,917 That's how we called ourselves Cream. 445 00:25:28,048 --> 00:25:31,573 We knew we were the three best musicians around. 446 00:25:31,704 --> 00:25:33,749 If Cream did not invent heavy metal, 447 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,970 they certainly were part of a band of brothers 448 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:39,886 that were very instrumental in facilitating it. 449 00:25:40,016 --> 00:25:44,412 The birth of heavy metal should've been aborted. 450 00:25:45,892 --> 00:25:47,633 He was really at the forefront 451 00:25:47,763 --> 00:25:50,723 of a complete revolution of rock. 452 00:25:58,426 --> 00:25:59,732 It's hard to find fault with the notion 453 00:25:59,862 --> 00:26:01,908 that he was the pioneer of a rock drummer. 454 00:26:02,038 --> 00:26:04,911 There was no context for him. There was no archetype. 455 00:26:05,041 --> 00:26:06,434 He is the archetype. 456 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,175 Before Ginger, rhythm was, 457 00:26:08,305 --> 00:26:09,916 "Ting, ting, ting-ting, ting, ting-ting." 458 00:26:10,481 --> 00:26:12,614 And Ginger comes along with "Dug-a-dug-dug, 459 00:26:12,745 --> 00:26:15,312 dug-a-dug-dug, Dug-dug-dug-a-dug" 460 00:26:15,443 --> 00:26:19,447 ♪ I'll be with you, Darling, soon ♪ 461 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:24,539 ♪ I'll be with you when The stars start falling ♪ 462 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:28,717 ♪ I've been waiting so long ♪ 463 00:26:28,848 --> 00:26:33,026 ♪ To be where I'm goin' ♪ 464 00:26:33,156 --> 00:26:36,986 ♪ In the sunshine of Your love ♪ 465 00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:44,907 When he was listening to music as a kid, 466 00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:46,561 he wasn't listening to the Jimi Hendrix 467 00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:49,042 and guitar-hero bands and so on. 468 00:26:49,172 --> 00:26:50,434 He invented all that stuff. 469 00:26:50,565 --> 00:26:51,740 Jack brought it in as going, 470 00:26:51,871 --> 00:26:54,438 "Diddle-a-di-di, di-di-da-dee-dee, diddle," 471 00:26:54,569 --> 00:26:56,005 dingbat, ditty bat. 472 00:26:56,136 --> 00:26:58,399 That's where Jack's head is writing. 473 00:27:00,140 --> 00:27:01,794 And I said, "Man, that's terrible. 474 00:27:01,924 --> 00:27:05,406 Why don't you slow it down and play it backwards?" 475 00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:09,018 Ba-da-da-da, ba-ba-ba... 476 00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:14,067 Another one is "White Room," the 5/4 bolero that makes it. 477 00:27:15,677 --> 00:27:19,333 Da, bum-bum-bum-bum, bum-bum-bum, da. 478 00:27:19,463 --> 00:27:20,551 Wasn't written like that. 479 00:27:20,682 --> 00:27:22,989 Jack wrote it in 4/4. 480 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,818 He now declares, "I wrote it in 5/4." 481 00:27:25,948 --> 00:27:27,210 I mean, hello? 482 00:27:27,341 --> 00:27:31,345 ♪ In the white room with Black curtains ♪ 483 00:27:31,475 --> 00:27:35,001 ♪ In the station ♪ 484 00:27:35,131 --> 00:27:40,093 Today, and for the last, how long is it now, 40 years, 485 00:27:40,615 --> 00:27:44,619 Pete Brown and Jack Bruce have been earning 486 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:47,448 a hell of a lot more money from Cream 487 00:27:49,189 --> 00:27:52,975 than Eric and I will ever earn, to this day. 488 00:27:53,106 --> 00:27:55,108 The guy who gets the credit for writing the song 489 00:27:55,238 --> 00:27:57,806 is the guy who writes the lyric gets half of it, 490 00:27:57,937 --> 00:28:00,200 and the guy who writes the melody of the lyric 491 00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:01,288 gets the other half. 492 00:28:01,418 --> 00:28:04,204 The drums are part of the arrangement, 493 00:28:04,334 --> 00:28:05,858 and the arrangement doesn't get royalties. 494 00:28:05,988 --> 00:28:06,989 Zip, nada. 495 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,774 Cream was my thing. 496 00:28:08,904 --> 00:28:12,168 And it did exactly what I planned it to do. 497 00:28:12,299 --> 00:28:15,694 Only I'm the guy who lost out on it. 498 00:28:15,824 --> 00:28:17,957 I'm fucking broke right now. 499 00:28:18,087 --> 00:28:21,221 ♪ Run from themselves ♪ 500 00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,407 To Jack Bruce's counterpoint, 501 00:28:33,537 --> 00:28:35,104 he gives rhythm, 502 00:28:35,235 --> 00:28:37,759 and to Eric Clapton's technical virtuosity, he gives shape. 503 00:28:37,890 --> 00:28:40,631 On their first tour together, he practiced so intensively 504 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,590 that he left behind him a trail of hotel bills 505 00:28:42,721 --> 00:28:43,852 for broken furniture. 506 00:28:43,983 --> 00:28:46,550 We asked him if he still practiced as much. 507 00:28:46,681 --> 00:28:50,163 No, I don't practice at all. 508 00:28:50,293 --> 00:28:51,164 Not at all? 509 00:28:51,294 --> 00:28:53,340 I used to, but I don't anymore. 510 00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:55,342 I just used to play solos. 511 00:28:55,472 --> 00:28:59,650 Just used to sit on the drum kit and play it all day. 512 00:28:59,781 --> 00:29:01,217 Can you show us some? 513 00:29:01,348 --> 00:29:03,306 - You want me to play? - Please. 514 00:29:04,830 --> 00:29:06,701 At this time of the day. 515 00:29:20,323 --> 00:29:24,501 Independence, the ability to play a different thing 516 00:29:24,632 --> 00:29:25,851 with all four limbs, 517 00:29:27,243 --> 00:29:29,942 which is how I play things that sound incredibly fast 518 00:29:30,072 --> 00:29:32,858 when I'm not actually moving anything very fast. 519 00:29:33,946 --> 00:29:36,600 Because all four beats are landing in a different place, 520 00:29:36,731 --> 00:29:41,562 so what comes out is four times as fast. 521 00:29:41,692 --> 00:29:44,870 But it's not how fast you play, 522 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,654 it's what you say. 523 00:29:54,618 --> 00:29:56,882 Ginger Baker's most notable achievement 524 00:29:57,012 --> 00:30:00,059 that should be recognized is the first rock drum solo. 525 00:30:00,189 --> 00:30:02,539 And me as a 15-year-old kid at the time was like, 526 00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:04,324 "Yeah, yeah, that's the rock drummer I wanna be." 527 00:30:04,454 --> 00:30:05,586 I must've been 16. 528 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:07,414 I was exactly at the sweet spot 529 00:30:07,544 --> 00:30:10,721 where my brain clicked on and said, "What's it all about?" 530 00:30:10,852 --> 00:30:11,984 It was Ginger's drums. 531 00:30:12,114 --> 00:30:13,681 I'm here today because of Ginger, 532 00:30:13,812 --> 00:30:16,727 because he was the absolute inspiration 533 00:30:16,858 --> 00:30:19,687 for me being in a band, playing the drums. 534 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:20,862 I absolutely thought, 535 00:30:20,993 --> 00:30:23,038 "You know, that's what I'd like to be." 536 00:30:32,743 --> 00:30:34,093 It became Ginger's thing. 537 00:30:34,223 --> 00:30:36,356 He'd do these very long drum solos. 538 00:30:37,792 --> 00:30:39,185 You either liked them or you didn't like them. 539 00:30:39,315 --> 00:30:41,448 I liked them because I could go off 540 00:30:41,578 --> 00:30:42,753 and have a smoke, you know? 541 00:30:42,884 --> 00:30:44,538 Cream, how popular were they? 542 00:30:44,668 --> 00:30:46,453 Oh, huge, huge. 543 00:30:46,583 --> 00:30:48,020 How huge is "huge"? 544 00:30:48,150 --> 00:30:49,543 Well, they did three nights in Madison Square Garden. 545 00:30:49,673 --> 00:30:52,198 They could've done two weeks and sold out every night. 546 00:30:53,329 --> 00:30:55,288 When a promoter hired The Cream, 547 00:30:55,418 --> 00:30:58,726 Ginger wanted a case of beer and two black hookers 548 00:30:58,857 --> 00:31:01,468 and a white limo or he wouldn't play. 549 00:31:01,598 --> 00:31:03,122 I've been in hotel rooms, 550 00:31:03,252 --> 00:31:04,427 and there's been a knock on the door. 551 00:31:04,558 --> 00:31:05,907 I've opened the door, 552 00:31:06,038 --> 00:31:08,301 and there's been three groupies all standing there. 553 00:31:08,431 --> 00:31:10,738 Just queues of chicks waiting. 554 00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:13,567 One would knock on the door and climb into bed. 555 00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:16,309 We used to call 'em "star fuckers." 556 00:31:16,439 --> 00:31:18,050 You know, they'd come and say like, 557 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:20,487 "I'd like to give you a blowjob and see you come." 558 00:31:20,617 --> 00:31:24,578 Yeah, they all wanted to fuck Cream, you know? 559 00:31:24,708 --> 00:31:28,538 It was quite a rapid rise to fame. 560 00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:31,454 I don't know whether it was too fast for Ginger. 561 00:31:31,585 --> 00:31:33,152 I didn't really care. 562 00:31:33,282 --> 00:31:36,633 We'd lived in a succession of not very nice places. 563 00:31:36,764 --> 00:31:37,896 And then for once, we thought, 564 00:31:38,026 --> 00:31:41,638 "Oh, we can actually buy a house of our own." 565 00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:43,162 The family at home 566 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:47,209 was something totally separate from being on tour. 567 00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:50,299 His dad died when he was four or something like that. 568 00:31:50,430 --> 00:31:55,435 So he didn't really have someone, a role-model father. 569 00:31:55,696 --> 00:31:57,698 He communicates more through his drums 570 00:31:57,828 --> 00:31:59,656 than through his words. 571 00:32:00,701 --> 00:32:04,357 I told my wife long before we were married, 572 00:32:04,487 --> 00:32:05,401 you know, "If you get me to choose 573 00:32:05,532 --> 00:32:08,187 between the drums and you, 574 00:32:08,317 --> 00:32:11,755 I'm gonna choose the drums." 575 00:32:11,886 --> 00:32:14,280 We had no other interest. 576 00:32:14,410 --> 00:32:15,672 There was nothing else going on. 577 00:32:15,803 --> 00:32:17,674 There was no family. 578 00:32:17,805 --> 00:32:20,373 There was no desires for success. 579 00:32:20,503 --> 00:32:23,463 There was no commerciality involved. 580 00:32:23,593 --> 00:32:25,160 There was no responsibility 581 00:32:25,291 --> 00:32:27,554 other than to that unique moment in time 582 00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:28,816 when we were together. 583 00:32:28,947 --> 00:32:31,471 And for a short, sweet period of time, 584 00:32:31,601 --> 00:32:35,475 it was unfettered and extreme and beautiful. 585 00:32:35,605 --> 00:32:36,998 They were like Vikings. 586 00:32:37,129 --> 00:32:38,478 You know, they just came on our shore 587 00:32:38,608 --> 00:32:40,959 and just took the women and the children, 588 00:32:41,089 --> 00:32:42,438 and it was scorched earth. 589 00:32:42,569 --> 00:32:44,136 There was no question about it. 590 00:32:44,266 --> 00:32:46,181 They were here to take heads. 591 00:32:46,312 --> 00:32:50,881 We went there to show the Yanks how to play. 592 00:32:51,012 --> 00:32:52,883 I saw them when they first came to San Francisco. 593 00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:56,322 They looked and sounded like giants. 594 00:32:56,452 --> 00:33:01,196 They took off and started playing supersonic music. 595 00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:05,853 And supersonic music is when the Holy Ghost takes over 596 00:33:05,984 --> 00:33:08,899 and you're playing something that, when you hear it back, 597 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:10,945 you have no idea what the hell you did. 598 00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:50,637 There was something 599 00:33:51,029 --> 00:33:53,074 about that little chemistry that we had, 600 00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:55,207 Ginger and me and Eric. 601 00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:57,992 It'll never be repeated by anybody else. 602 00:33:58,123 --> 00:34:01,865 Cream, they were together shorter than our last tour. 603 00:34:01,996 --> 00:34:02,953 You know, we've been on the road 604 00:34:03,084 --> 00:34:05,043 for two years and two months. 605 00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,915 That's two months longer than their entire life-span. 606 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:09,395 Sam Kinison would say, 607 00:34:09,525 --> 00:34:12,137 "I've had parties that lasted more than two years." 608 00:34:12,267 --> 00:34:14,008 ♪ We ♪ 609 00:34:18,578 --> 00:34:20,754 Cream only lasted as long as it did 610 00:34:20,884 --> 00:34:23,322 because it was so popular. 611 00:34:23,452 --> 00:34:27,108 I just couldn't handle working with Jack anymore. 612 00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:29,328 Whatever energy was happening 613 00:34:29,458 --> 00:34:33,027 between Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker 614 00:34:33,158 --> 00:34:38,032 also mounted Eric to play beyond 615 00:34:38,163 --> 00:34:39,947 what he was playing with John Mayall 616 00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:42,341 or, later on, all the other bands that he played. 617 00:34:42,471 --> 00:34:44,386 They focused on one another all the time 618 00:34:44,517 --> 00:34:47,259 for their aggression and their frustrations, 619 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:48,564 and it wore me out. 620 00:34:48,695 --> 00:34:51,611 I remember Eric breaking down in tears once. 621 00:34:51,741 --> 00:34:54,135 That was not very good. 622 00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:55,963 Sorry, Eric. 623 00:34:56,094 --> 00:34:57,530 From time to time, I would break down, 624 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:59,532 and just go, "I can't stand this anymore." 625 00:34:59,662 --> 00:35:01,708 'Cause I was really on the sidelines, 626 00:35:01,838 --> 00:35:03,797 and I knew I couldn't affect anything, 627 00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:07,105 because I didn't have the understanding 628 00:35:07,235 --> 00:35:09,585 or the power to be able to do anything about it. 629 00:35:09,716 --> 00:35:11,413 You'd just run. 630 00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:14,547 And, you know, when Cream, I thought, had run its course, 631 00:35:14,677 --> 00:35:16,026 I was quite keen to get outta there 632 00:35:16,157 --> 00:35:18,028 and have a break, really. 633 00:35:22,903 --> 00:35:25,079 A banger. You know, a firework, whatever you call them. 634 00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:26,428 Cracker or whatever. 635 00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,387 They only last a second, don't they, 636 00:35:28,517 --> 00:35:30,780 and they fizzle up and burn up and that's it. 637 00:35:30,911 --> 00:35:33,696 It's all dead and gone. And the band was like that. 638 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:36,569 They were never, ever gonna be a long-lasting band. 639 00:35:37,613 --> 00:35:40,573 ♪ We're going wrong ♪ 640 00:35:56,502 --> 00:35:57,372 Hello, Bonnie. 641 00:36:02,464 --> 00:36:07,426 Good boy. 642 00:36:07,556 --> 00:36:10,646 Mimosa, don't be scared of the camera. 643 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:18,350 You're a soldier boy, aren't you? Huh? 644 00:36:20,656 --> 00:36:22,745 Big old, tough soldier boy. 645 00:36:29,317 --> 00:36:32,712 Eric and I decided that we wanted to get together 646 00:36:32,842 --> 00:36:35,671 with this project with Blind Faith. 647 00:36:35,802 --> 00:36:37,325 And 648 00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:42,548 Ginger showed up. 649 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:47,770 I just hit it off musically with Stevie 650 00:36:47,901 --> 00:36:51,121 in the same way as I had hit off with Eric. 651 00:36:51,252 --> 00:36:54,037 Stevie had time. 652 00:36:54,168 --> 00:36:57,563 I actually didn't realize until quite a bit later 653 00:36:57,693 --> 00:37:00,130 that Eric was so horrified 654 00:37:00,261 --> 00:37:04,309 that he was hooking up with Ginger again. 655 00:37:04,439 --> 00:37:06,789 The last person that Eric wanted on drums 656 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,618 with his new venture was Ginger. 657 00:37:09,749 --> 00:37:14,014 I believe he turned up at a rehearsal and said, "Right. 658 00:37:14,144 --> 00:37:15,798 Where do we start?" 659 00:37:21,804 --> 00:37:24,198 ♪ It's already written ♪ 660 00:37:24,329 --> 00:37:29,247 ♪ That today will be One to remember ♪ 661 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,905 ♪ The feeling's the same ♪ 662 00:37:36,036 --> 00:37:40,997 ♪ As being outside of the law ♪ 663 00:37:45,872 --> 00:37:49,745 ♪ Had to cry today ♪ 664 00:37:49,876 --> 00:37:54,881 ♪ Ooh ♪ 665 00:37:55,621 --> 00:38:01,540 ♪ Saw your sign, and I missed you then ♪ 666 00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:03,585 We were called a supergroup from day one. 667 00:38:03,716 --> 00:38:05,935 We hit the road too early. 668 00:38:06,066 --> 00:38:08,198 And, you know, it overpowered us. 669 00:38:10,549 --> 00:38:13,291 I think Ginger was as happy as a pig in shit 670 00:38:13,421 --> 00:38:14,466 in Blind Faith. 671 00:38:14,814 --> 00:38:17,207 You know, there was no one, there was Rick Grech, 672 00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:22,387 great player, you know, but no Jack Bruce. 673 00:38:22,517 --> 00:38:24,824 And Ginger could fucking do what he wants. 674 00:38:24,954 --> 00:38:28,828 ♪ Do what ♪ 675 00:38:28,958 --> 00:38:31,134 ♪ You like ♪ 676 00:38:36,139 --> 00:38:41,101 I was driving a Shelby Cobra up the coast to Los Angeles 677 00:38:41,710 --> 00:38:44,147 with three gorgeous chicks in the car. 678 00:38:44,278 --> 00:38:47,020 And the radio station stopped the music 679 00:38:47,977 --> 00:38:52,417 with the news that Ginger Baker, Blind Faith drummer, 680 00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:55,463 had just been found dead in his hotel room 681 00:38:55,594 --> 00:38:58,858 from a heroin overdose. 682 00:39:00,642 --> 00:39:03,471 And I went, "Fucking hell. I must be in heaven," you know? 683 00:39:03,602 --> 00:39:08,128 I'm driving this supercar with three super chicks. 684 00:39:10,435 --> 00:39:13,220 There was huge amounts of drugs, 685 00:39:13,351 --> 00:39:18,268 which at the time, I must admit, I didn't really know about, 686 00:39:18,834 --> 00:39:21,228 because I was probably smoking so much weed, 687 00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:24,187 I didn't really know what was going on anyway. 688 00:39:24,318 --> 00:39:29,236 Every time we got to Los Angeles, the drugs would appear, 689 00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:34,415 so I decided to go to Hawaii after the tour 690 00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:37,070 to try and get straight. 691 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,378 So Liz come out with the kids. 692 00:39:40,508 --> 00:39:43,424 Considering all the places we've left him before, 693 00:39:43,555 --> 00:39:46,035 I have to say it was marvelous. 694 00:39:49,648 --> 00:39:54,566 ♪ You are the reason I've Been waiting so long ♪ 695 00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:59,353 ♪ Somebody holds the key ♪ 696 00:39:59,484 --> 00:40:02,269 ♪ Well, I'm near the end ♪ 697 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:07,361 ♪ And I just ain't Got the time ♪ 698 00:40:08,884 --> 00:40:10,669 ♪ And I'm wasted ♪ 699 00:40:10,799 --> 00:40:14,673 ♪ And I can't find my way home ♪ 700 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,066 Only at that time, 701 00:40:17,197 --> 00:40:19,068 there was more heroin on Hawaii 702 00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:21,506 than there was in Los Angeles. 703 00:40:21,636 --> 00:40:24,857 It wasn't a good place to be to get straight. 704 00:40:24,987 --> 00:40:27,381 So we decided to go to Jamaica. 705 00:40:28,338 --> 00:40:31,167 That's when I flew my car out. 706 00:40:31,298 --> 00:40:35,215 That is wild, to fly your car over to Jamaica. 707 00:40:36,129 --> 00:40:37,826 That's crazy. 708 00:40:37,957 --> 00:40:42,396 You get to feel that the money is inexhaustible, 709 00:40:42,527 --> 00:40:43,963 which, of course, it isn't. 710 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,271 It was like nearly three months after the last gig 711 00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:51,492 That I came back to London. 712 00:40:51,623 --> 00:40:53,538 I'd brought back quite a lot of dope 713 00:40:53,668 --> 00:40:55,496 in some masks and stuff. 714 00:40:55,627 --> 00:40:57,672 And so I went to see Stevie 715 00:40:57,803 --> 00:41:01,284 with a bag of grass as a little present. 716 00:41:01,415 --> 00:41:04,592 And he told me that Eric had gone off 717 00:41:04,723 --> 00:41:07,290 with Delaney and Bonnie, 718 00:41:07,421 --> 00:41:09,423 and he was getting Traffic back together. 719 00:41:10,511 --> 00:41:13,340 I take full responsibility for having, 720 00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:15,864 you know, strong interests in going somewhere else. 721 00:41:15,995 --> 00:41:20,565 But they wouldn't have been quite so strong 722 00:41:20,695 --> 00:41:23,524 if the core of the band had been better. 723 00:41:23,655 --> 00:41:24,699 Were you hurt at all 724 00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:26,701 that Eric had left without telling you? 725 00:41:28,268 --> 00:41:30,444 No, you could see it comin'. 726 00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:32,751 Something to do with me getting so fucked up 727 00:41:32,881 --> 00:41:34,404 on the end of the tour. 728 00:41:36,276 --> 00:41:38,496 He's the best friend I've got on this planet, 729 00:41:39,758 --> 00:41:42,195 and always will be, okay? 730 00:41:43,805 --> 00:41:47,113 Whether it be polo or the drums or drugs, 731 00:41:47,243 --> 00:41:50,420 Ginger seems to always go full force 732 00:41:50,551 --> 00:41:52,510 into whatever he's doing. 733 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,816 Compulsion. We're talking about compulsion. 734 00:41:56,905 --> 00:42:01,083 You know, what's the payoff in being compulsive? 735 00:42:01,214 --> 00:42:05,827 You know, for Ginger, I'm not gonna be his doctor in this 736 00:42:05,958 --> 00:42:08,526 or psychologist or make a diagnosis. 737 00:42:08,656 --> 00:42:11,398 I can't make a diagnosis of Ginger, 'cause I don't... 738 00:42:13,008 --> 00:42:14,227 When I was driving in today, 739 00:42:14,357 --> 00:42:18,405 I thought, "Well, do I know Ginger well? Do I?" 740 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:22,452 I've been with him in fairly rarefied situations, 741 00:42:22,583 --> 00:42:25,281 which have allowed me to see certain sides of him. 742 00:42:25,412 --> 00:42:28,197 I probably haven't seen him like you've seen him, 743 00:42:28,328 --> 00:42:31,287 because I didn't take the effort, the time, 744 00:42:31,418 --> 00:42:35,030 the risk to step into his life and become a part of it 745 00:42:35,161 --> 00:42:37,380 for any length of time. 746 00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:38,860 You know, I've always pulled back 747 00:42:38,991 --> 00:42:41,602 when it started to get scary or threatening 748 00:42:41,733 --> 00:42:43,561 or just difficult. 749 00:42:46,651 --> 00:42:48,914 You guys wanna wait a minute? 'Cause I'm about to cry. 750 00:42:49,044 --> 00:42:50,089 Why? 751 00:42:50,219 --> 00:42:52,352 'Cause, I mean, 752 00:42:52,482 --> 00:42:54,093 I might cry. 753 00:42:54,223 --> 00:42:56,138 Why? Because Ginger is... 754 00:42:56,269 --> 00:42:59,489 He's all by himself, all alone, in the woods or something. 755 00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:00,621 Well, he's got a wife. 756 00:43:00,752 --> 00:43:02,580 - He's got... - Oh! Well, then I won't. 757 00:43:03,798 --> 00:43:04,669 You guys are trying to live 758 00:43:04,799 --> 00:43:06,758 a pretty quiet life here. 759 00:43:06,888 --> 00:43:09,369 As quiet as possible. 760 00:43:14,983 --> 00:43:17,159 Lisa's a little angel. 761 00:43:17,290 --> 00:43:18,465 Hello, Lisa. 762 00:43:21,033 --> 00:43:23,339 I'm extremely fond of her. 763 00:43:23,470 --> 00:43:25,690 I think of her like she's my own. 764 00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:27,126 And I wasn't studying yesterday. 765 00:43:28,693 --> 00:43:30,477 She's a great little kid. 766 00:43:32,131 --> 00:43:34,699 It's really nice to have a family again. 767 00:43:38,398 --> 00:43:42,184 If that falls apart, I really don't know what to do. 768 00:43:43,403 --> 00:43:45,187 So Ginger is a good stepfather? 769 00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:50,453 Stepfather. 770 00:43:52,804 --> 00:43:53,631 Yeah. 771 00:43:55,763 --> 00:43:58,287 Do you find yourself to be a tragic hero? 772 00:44:00,202 --> 00:44:01,726 Go on with the interview. 773 00:44:01,856 --> 00:44:05,555 Stop trying to be an intellectual dickhead. 774 00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:45,857 ♪ Tell me ♪ 775 00:44:45,987 --> 00:44:47,641 ♪ Tell me, Toady ♪ 776 00:44:48,816 --> 00:44:49,861 Ginger's not just a player, 777 00:44:49,991 --> 00:44:52,559 he's also a bandleader and arranger. 778 00:44:52,690 --> 00:44:55,562 We were all brought up on the big-band era, you know? 779 00:44:55,693 --> 00:44:58,478 And that's what Air Force was like. 780 00:44:58,608 --> 00:45:01,176 ♪ Tell me ♪ 781 00:45:01,307 --> 00:45:04,310 ♪ Tell me, Toady ♪ 782 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,704 I made a stupid decision of saying, 783 00:45:07,661 --> 00:45:11,404 "Okay, well, I've made my money with Cream and Blind Faith, 784 00:45:11,534 --> 00:45:13,275 so I will pay the band all the money." 785 00:45:14,276 --> 00:45:15,669 Just ridiculously expensive. 786 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,020 Hotel bills, the transportation, the wages. 787 00:45:19,151 --> 00:45:22,415 The name came from the air force section 788 00:45:22,545 --> 00:45:26,680 Of the Duke Ellington Band, which was the junkie section. 789 00:45:26,811 --> 00:45:28,290 It really was an air force. 790 00:45:28,421 --> 00:45:31,293 I think somebody said that they were flying at 30,000 feet, 791 00:45:31,424 --> 00:45:32,860 I think it was. 792 00:45:32,991 --> 00:45:34,732 It was a very high band. 793 00:45:38,257 --> 00:45:39,258 Now they're saying Air Force 794 00:45:39,388 --> 00:45:41,347 was some kind of a fusion band. 795 00:45:41,477 --> 00:45:44,045 I don't know what the fuck that is. 796 00:45:44,176 --> 00:45:48,223 You can't put music in boxes, especially my music. 797 00:45:49,485 --> 00:45:51,400 ♪ Toad ♪ 798 00:45:57,580 --> 00:45:58,973 It was really exciting. 799 00:45:59,104 --> 00:46:00,453 I thought it was gonna last forever. 800 00:46:00,583 --> 00:46:01,889 But, you know, Ginger's bands 801 00:46:02,020 --> 00:46:03,848 have tended to be like that, you know? 802 00:46:04,979 --> 00:46:06,372 Didn't they? 803 00:46:06,502 --> 00:46:07,939 Like what? 804 00:46:08,069 --> 00:46:09,767 You hear them, you think, "This is fabulous. 805 00:46:09,897 --> 00:46:12,900 It's gonna go on forever," and it lasts a week. 806 00:46:13,031 --> 00:46:15,642 Maybe that's just part of being him, you know? 807 00:46:15,773 --> 00:46:16,948 I don't know. 808 00:46:17,862 --> 00:46:21,691 Because of his fame from Cream and Blind Faith, 809 00:46:21,822 --> 00:46:23,128 you know, he was considered, 810 00:46:23,258 --> 00:46:24,956 you know, the great rock drummer of his generation. 811 00:46:25,086 --> 00:46:27,697 But as Ginger will tell you, he was a jazz drummer. 812 00:46:27,828 --> 00:46:30,526 The general public are so fuckin' dumb. 813 00:46:31,832 --> 00:46:36,837 That, you know, like, that anybody could think of Bonham 814 00:46:37,098 --> 00:46:40,406 was anywhere near this kind of drummer I am. 815 00:46:42,538 --> 00:46:44,366 It's just extraordinary. 816 00:46:45,324 --> 00:46:47,413 Bonham had technique, 817 00:46:47,543 --> 00:46:51,156 but he couldn't swing a fucking sack of shit. 818 00:46:51,286 --> 00:46:53,027 Or Moonie, for that matter. 819 00:46:53,985 --> 00:46:58,903 I mean, if they were still alive today, ask 'em. 820 00:47:00,034 --> 00:47:00,992 When they think of Ginger, 821 00:47:01,122 --> 00:47:03,168 they think of Keith Moon and Bonham... 822 00:47:03,298 --> 00:47:04,647 No, no, no, no, no. 823 00:47:06,432 --> 00:47:08,390 Ginger was nothing like those players. 824 00:47:08,521 --> 00:47:11,393 His musical capabilities are full-spectrum. 825 00:47:11,524 --> 00:47:13,395 He can write and compose and arrange, 826 00:47:13,526 --> 00:47:16,094 and he has an ear, and he is harmonic. 827 00:47:16,224 --> 00:47:18,270 He's a fully formed musician. 828 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,446 He wanted to be respected by the jazz drummers, 829 00:47:20,576 --> 00:47:22,578 so Ginger did these drum battles 830 00:47:22,709 --> 00:47:24,363 with the guys he looked up to, 831 00:47:24,493 --> 00:47:25,973 thought were the great drummers. 832 00:48:27,643 --> 00:48:29,036 What always happens is you end up, 833 00:48:29,167 --> 00:48:30,559 if you're playing with a good guy, 834 00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:32,126 you end up playing together. 835 00:49:07,683 --> 00:49:09,903 By him taking all these guys on, 836 00:49:10,034 --> 00:49:13,298 and nobody else really did in the "rock world", 837 00:49:13,428 --> 00:49:17,302 he was considered to be in that elite echelon 838 00:49:17,432 --> 00:49:19,652 of great jazz drummers, which, ultimately, 839 00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:21,306 that's what he considered himself to be, 840 00:49:21,436 --> 00:49:24,048 the great jazz drummer of his generation. 841 00:49:24,178 --> 00:49:26,789 Not a fucking rock drummer. 842 00:49:27,921 --> 00:49:31,098 So, here you are, at the height of your career. 843 00:49:31,229 --> 00:49:32,534 You've battled all the greatest drummers. 844 00:49:32,665 --> 00:49:34,972 You've become a bandleader. 845 00:49:35,102 --> 00:49:37,148 And you decide to go to Africa. 846 00:49:37,278 --> 00:49:38,279 Oh, God. 847 00:49:39,802 --> 00:49:43,719 Way back, when Phil turned me on 848 00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:47,767 to all the African drummers, 849 00:49:48,986 --> 00:49:53,947 it was obviously very high on my priorities 850 00:49:54,817 --> 00:49:56,776 to go to Africa. 851 00:49:58,865 --> 00:50:01,607 Ginger says, "How do you feel about filming me 852 00:50:01,737 --> 00:50:03,000 going across the Sahara?" 853 00:50:03,130 --> 00:50:04,305 And I said, "How are you proposing 854 00:50:04,436 --> 00:50:06,786 to go across the Sahara, Ginger?" 855 00:50:06,916 --> 00:50:08,527 And he said, "I'm gonna drive." 856 00:50:08,657 --> 00:50:11,573 ♪ Ah-ah-ah-ah ♪ 857 00:50:11,704 --> 00:50:14,620 ♪ Ah-ah-ah ♪ 858 00:50:14,750 --> 00:50:17,840 ♪ Ah-ah-ah-ah ♪ 859 00:50:17,971 --> 00:50:19,146 ♪ Ah-ah-ah ♪ 860 00:50:42,256 --> 00:50:45,651 There was that questing spirit of a true artist there. 861 00:50:45,781 --> 00:50:48,306 It was news that Ginger dropped out, 862 00:50:48,436 --> 00:50:50,351 or he went following the groove. 863 00:50:55,835 --> 00:50:57,315 From Africa. 864 00:51:02,407 --> 00:51:05,192 He predates everybody else who later on said, 865 00:51:05,323 --> 00:51:08,152 "We discovered the sounds of Africa." 866 00:51:08,282 --> 00:51:11,633 The only person that made me cry before playing was Phil, 867 00:51:11,764 --> 00:51:13,548 and these guys had me crying, 868 00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:18,292 because the time things they were doing were just so subtle. 869 00:51:18,423 --> 00:51:20,033 This is why I went to Africa. 870 00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:27,997 When I arrived in Nigeria, 871 00:51:28,128 --> 00:51:31,349 I went straight to the Afro Spot. 872 00:51:32,698 --> 00:51:35,353 And there was Fela playing onstage. 873 00:51:35,483 --> 00:51:39,792 And it was just like, "Wow, man. This is cool." 874 00:51:46,451 --> 00:51:50,368 It was unlike anything anybody else was playing. 875 00:51:51,847 --> 00:51:53,719 Fela was like, "That's Ginger Baker! 876 00:51:53,849 --> 00:51:55,286 That's Ginger Baker!" 877 00:51:58,027 --> 00:51:59,681 Who is Fela? 878 00:51:59,812 --> 00:52:02,684 Some say he's the greatest musician in Africa, 879 00:52:02,815 --> 00:52:06,210 others that he's a prophet, still others that he's a rebel, 880 00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:08,212 a revolutionary tribune. 881 00:52:08,342 --> 00:52:11,345 Fela was one of the most important, influential, 882 00:52:11,476 --> 00:52:14,609 and courageous musicians of the 20th century. 883 00:52:16,611 --> 00:52:18,396 Ginger got the opportunity 884 00:52:18,526 --> 00:52:20,615 to sit in the drum chair for a while 885 00:52:20,746 --> 00:52:21,877 of one of the greatest bands 886 00:52:22,008 --> 00:52:24,228 ever to play African popular music. 887 00:52:37,458 --> 00:52:39,982 Ginger was very close to everybody. 888 00:52:40,113 --> 00:52:42,289 The girls, my father, the band. 889 00:52:43,899 --> 00:52:45,684 It was a color-blind situation. 890 00:52:45,814 --> 00:52:47,773 They smoked together, they drank together, 891 00:52:47,903 --> 00:52:49,209 had women together. 892 00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:51,690 They played together, everything together. 893 00:53:21,937 --> 00:53:23,765 The first, or only Western musician, 894 00:53:23,896 --> 00:53:26,594 to go out there and immerse himself and live in it, 895 00:53:26,725 --> 00:53:29,510 in the squalor of it, was Ginger. 896 00:53:35,821 --> 00:53:37,997 And this studio became the first 16-track studio 897 00:53:38,127 --> 00:53:39,346 we've got in our country. 898 00:53:40,478 --> 00:53:43,742 Fela stopped using EMI 899 00:53:43,872 --> 00:53:46,658 and started to use Ginger Baker's studio. 900 00:53:46,788 --> 00:53:51,750 Now, who leaves England to go and record in Lagos? 901 00:53:52,272 --> 00:53:54,579 Africa, at that time, in Nigeria, 902 00:53:54,709 --> 00:53:57,234 was an absolute hotbed of revolution, 903 00:53:57,364 --> 00:54:01,977 of death, of unaccountable violence. 904 00:54:04,458 --> 00:54:07,722 It was a great place to be in those days. 905 00:54:12,727 --> 00:54:15,948 I was in Africa for a period of six years. 906 00:54:16,078 --> 00:54:18,864 It was sort of like the "flower power" days 907 00:54:18,994 --> 00:54:21,083 in Nigeria, you know? 908 00:54:21,214 --> 00:54:24,304 You can't imagine the '70s in Nigeria, 909 00:54:24,435 --> 00:54:27,568 how much fun they all had. 910 00:54:35,141 --> 00:54:38,840 Fela, we used to call him the black president, 911 00:54:38,971 --> 00:54:40,799 And he formed the Kalakuta Party. 912 00:54:41,713 --> 00:54:45,543 And we all used to sit around a table the shape of Africa, 913 00:54:45,673 --> 00:54:47,675 and I was elected one of the party. 914 00:54:47,806 --> 00:54:50,852 He was just cool. He was real cool. 915 00:54:50,983 --> 00:54:52,376 Ginger's a cool white boy. 916 00:54:52,506 --> 00:54:53,855 Meanwhile, no one in Europe knew 917 00:54:53,986 --> 00:54:56,336 what the fuck was going on there. 918 00:54:56,467 --> 00:54:58,295 - Nobody what? - Nobody in Europe, 919 00:54:58,425 --> 00:55:00,949 all the people that you had left behind, you know? 920 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,734 What people I'd left behind? 921 00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:07,086 I think he just goes. 922 00:55:07,216 --> 00:55:09,175 That's a great thing in music. 923 00:55:09,306 --> 00:55:12,134 You don't wanna be thinking too much when you're playing. 924 00:55:12,265 --> 00:55:16,356 He who hesitates is lost. Just go. 925 00:55:16,487 --> 00:55:19,533 He really desperately wanted a boy. 926 00:55:19,664 --> 00:55:21,840 And when he got a boy, he was awful to him. 927 00:55:23,232 --> 00:55:25,060 He said some nasty things to my mom. 928 00:55:27,236 --> 00:55:29,935 You know, like, "I wish I had black kids," or something. 929 00:55:30,065 --> 00:55:31,676 Were you guys still in contact with him? 930 00:55:31,806 --> 00:55:32,938 Yeah, yeah. 931 00:55:33,068 --> 00:55:34,679 He would just call you? 932 00:55:34,809 --> 00:55:37,246 Yeah, like, "Hello. I'm in prison." 933 00:55:38,117 --> 00:55:38,944 "Fine." 934 00:55:40,293 --> 00:55:42,077 I was approached by Range Rover 935 00:55:42,208 --> 00:55:45,429 and would I join them in a three-car team 936 00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:48,301 for this show 1000 rally? 937 00:55:48,432 --> 00:55:51,304 Anyway, I arrived at the checkpoint 938 00:55:51,435 --> 00:55:54,916 and did 180 and came in backwards. 939 00:55:55,047 --> 00:55:56,875 And I heard this voice say, "Bloody hell! 940 00:55:57,005 --> 00:55:59,834 The way you drive, you should play polo." 941 00:55:59,965 --> 00:56:00,922 And I shouted out the window, 942 00:56:01,053 --> 00:56:02,881 "You've gotta be bloody kiddin'." 943 00:56:03,795 --> 00:56:05,492 He said, "Okay, Baker. Come with me." 944 00:56:05,623 --> 00:56:06,624 So off we go. 945 00:56:08,452 --> 00:56:09,148 And where do we go? 946 00:56:09,278 --> 00:56:11,237 Lagos Polo Club. 947 00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:12,412 And I've already downed 948 00:56:12,543 --> 00:56:15,023 about eight or nine Bacardi and Cokes, 949 00:56:15,937 --> 00:56:18,026 And Colin comes up to me and says, "Right, Baker. 950 00:56:18,157 --> 00:56:20,464 It's time you got on a horse." 951 00:56:20,594 --> 00:56:23,728 And Colin gets out a whip and goes whack, 952 00:56:23,858 --> 00:56:28,515 and boom, it's off like fucking 900 miles an hour. 953 00:56:28,646 --> 00:56:29,908 Absolutely full gallop. 954 00:56:30,038 --> 00:56:32,563 My sunglasses were around one side of my face, 955 00:56:32,693 --> 00:56:34,608 and my beard's around the other, 956 00:56:34,739 --> 00:56:36,958 but I was still on the horse. 957 00:56:37,089 --> 00:56:41,310 And I said, "Where's the fucking brakes, Colin?" 958 00:56:41,441 --> 00:56:43,878 So I'd found an old pair of boots 959 00:56:44,009 --> 00:56:46,272 and an old polo stick and a hat, 960 00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:50,189 and I became a poloist. 961 00:56:52,931 --> 00:56:54,149 The class of Nigerians 962 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,239 that would have belonged to the Lagos Polo Club 963 00:56:57,370 --> 00:56:58,937 were very elite people, 964 00:56:59,067 --> 00:57:00,721 people that Fela would dismiss as having 965 00:57:00,852 --> 00:57:02,984 a so-called "Colonial mentality." 966 00:57:03,115 --> 00:57:04,595 Those were definitely the people 967 00:57:04,725 --> 00:57:07,728 that Fela was singin' against in the 1970s. 968 00:57:07,859 --> 00:57:09,077 But it was later in the '70s 969 00:57:09,208 --> 00:57:11,166 when Fela really got more radicalized 970 00:57:11,297 --> 00:57:13,691 and began to live the life of a musical dissident. 971 00:57:13,821 --> 00:57:15,823 All this nonsense hanging around here. 972 00:57:15,954 --> 00:57:18,173 They sit there in cars, man! 973 00:57:18,304 --> 00:57:21,655 Fela took on the government, the army. 974 00:57:21,786 --> 00:57:25,790 He was determined to become president. 975 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,533 All the government top guys played polo, 976 00:57:29,663 --> 00:57:32,840 so they were always at the Lagos Polo Club. 977 00:57:32,971 --> 00:57:34,929 So I was playing polo there 978 00:57:35,060 --> 00:57:38,367 and hanging out with, as it were, Fela's enemies. 979 00:57:39,804 --> 00:57:42,459 And a lot of the people on Fela's committee 980 00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:47,464 didn't like that and soured Fela's mind against me. 981 00:57:49,553 --> 00:57:52,599 I was pretty upset at the time. 982 00:57:52,730 --> 00:57:54,209 About what? 983 00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:58,562 Well, that Fela wouldn't play with me, with his band. 984 00:57:59,998 --> 00:58:02,957 On Friday, February 18, 1977, 985 00:58:03,088 --> 00:58:05,438 a thousand-odd soldiers surround Kalakuta, 986 00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:07,005 machine guns at the ready. 987 00:58:07,135 --> 00:58:08,659 They plunder the house. 988 00:58:10,356 --> 00:58:11,749 Their clubs spare neither pregnant women nor children. 989 00:58:11,879 --> 00:58:13,751 Fela himself is seriously beaten. 990 00:58:13,881 --> 00:58:16,318 Fela and his tribe find themselves in prison. 991 00:58:16,449 --> 00:58:18,320 It was starting to go wrong, yeah. 992 00:58:18,451 --> 00:58:21,410 But, I mean, I left Nigeria 993 00:58:21,541 --> 00:58:24,501 because I lost my studio, really. 994 00:58:24,631 --> 00:58:26,459 It took us three years to build it. 995 00:58:26,590 --> 00:58:28,896 It's been open just over two years now. 996 00:58:29,027 --> 00:58:31,072 It's coming along great. 997 00:58:39,733 --> 00:58:42,040 Presumably, there must be a lot of music there. 998 00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:43,345 Yeah, we kept pretty busy. 999 00:58:43,476 --> 00:58:45,696 You know, we're working all the time, yeah. 1000 00:58:45,826 --> 00:58:47,611 I think as a businessperson, 1001 00:58:47,741 --> 00:58:49,656 he's a walking disaster area. 1002 00:58:49,787 --> 00:58:50,831 Ginger's out there, 1003 00:58:50,962 --> 00:58:54,356 discovering a whole new world of sound, 1004 00:58:54,487 --> 00:58:56,358 literally a whole new world of sound, 1005 00:58:56,489 --> 00:59:00,537 and recording it in good faith, not even blind faith. 1006 00:59:00,667 --> 00:59:02,539 Along comes a gangster record company and says, 1007 00:59:02,669 --> 00:59:03,931 "We can take advantage of that." 1008 00:59:04,062 --> 00:59:05,977 And Ginger was just taken for a ride. 1009 00:59:06,107 --> 00:59:08,327 He said, "You can't build a studio here. 1010 00:59:08,457 --> 00:59:10,416 This is our territory." 1011 00:59:10,547 --> 00:59:13,550 They banned all the artists they had under contract 1012 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,334 from using my studio. 1013 00:59:17,641 --> 00:59:19,730 I told 'em to fuck off. 1014 00:59:23,298 --> 00:59:24,604 So shortly after that, 1015 00:59:24,735 --> 00:59:27,520 three armed soldiers entered the studio. 1016 00:59:27,651 --> 00:59:30,915 So I just leapt out of the room, over the balcony, 1017 00:59:31,045 --> 00:59:32,917 got in the Range Rover, 1018 00:59:33,047 --> 00:59:36,834 and went straight towards the road. 1019 00:59:39,271 --> 00:59:41,534 I could hear all these gunshots and ricochets going on 1020 00:59:41,665 --> 00:59:44,015 where the police are trying to shoot me. 1021 00:59:44,145 --> 00:59:46,365 Why did Ginger leave? 1022 00:59:46,495 --> 00:59:49,194 I just know things were not going right. 1023 00:59:49,324 --> 00:59:52,676 But when he left, Fela and him lost contact. 1024 01:00:31,149 --> 01:00:32,411 You had been off the scene in Africa 1025 01:00:32,541 --> 01:00:34,065 for so many years. 1026 01:00:34,195 --> 01:00:36,720 You must've missed being a rock star to a certain extent. 1027 01:00:36,850 --> 01:00:37,982 No, I didn't. 1028 01:00:40,375 --> 01:00:45,163 I came back to England to play with the Gurvitz brothers, 1029 01:00:45,293 --> 01:00:46,599 for which I got some money. 1030 01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:49,646 I'd just lost a fortune, 1031 01:00:49,776 --> 01:00:52,257 so it was a matter of doing some work. 1032 01:00:53,737 --> 01:00:56,435 That was really all he could get, wasn't it? 1033 01:00:56,565 --> 01:00:58,785 At that time, nobody wanted to work with him. 1034 01:01:00,221 --> 01:01:02,441 ♪ Now is the time ♪ 1035 01:01:02,571 --> 01:01:03,964 ♪ Get it all together ♪ 1036 01:01:04,095 --> 01:01:05,749 Shut up, you bloody fool! 1037 01:01:07,489 --> 01:01:08,795 ♪ Now is the time ♪ 1038 01:01:08,926 --> 01:01:09,840 Hey! 1039 01:01:09,970 --> 01:01:11,711 ♪ Put yourself together ♪ 1040 01:01:11,842 --> 01:01:16,803 Yeah, I grew up in the downward spiral of his life, 1041 01:01:17,108 --> 01:01:19,414 everything collapsing and falling apart. 1042 01:01:19,545 --> 01:01:23,723 The mistake I made was letting polo take over 1043 01:01:23,854 --> 01:01:26,334 from thinkin' about work. 1044 01:01:26,465 --> 01:01:29,642 The tax people saw this film that BBC did 1045 01:01:29,773 --> 01:01:33,864 of these horses arriving and gave the impression 1046 01:01:33,994 --> 01:01:36,475 that I'd got a hell of a lot of money. 1047 01:01:36,605 --> 01:01:37,650 Only this week, 1048 01:01:37,781 --> 01:01:40,435 30 polo ponies arrived from Argentina. 1049 01:01:41,393 --> 01:01:44,701 This air shipment guarantees Ginger Baker's commitment 1050 01:01:44,831 --> 01:01:48,269 to a sport that stands for everything he isn't. 1051 01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,533 I went absolutely broke. 1052 01:01:51,664 --> 01:01:54,275 It was a very bad time altogether. 1053 01:01:56,756 --> 01:02:02,066 He left my mom for my first boyfriend's sister. 1054 01:02:02,196 --> 01:02:05,156 That was his second wife, was my first boyfriend's sister. 1055 01:02:06,635 --> 01:02:08,420 There's a good idea! 1056 01:02:09,638 --> 01:02:13,512 She was 18, you know? 1057 01:02:13,642 --> 01:02:15,906 Well, maybe 17. I don't know. 1058 01:02:16,036 --> 01:02:17,603 She was still going to school. 1059 01:02:19,257 --> 01:02:22,303 She was a very naughty-type girl, yeah. 1060 01:02:25,176 --> 01:02:26,786 Very sexy-type girl. 1061 01:02:28,570 --> 01:02:31,486 ♪ Powder blues ♪ 1062 01:02:36,013 --> 01:02:39,712 The tax people go, "You owe us, you know, 150,000 pounds." 1063 01:02:39,843 --> 01:02:42,323 And it's like, you know, he doesn't have 150,000 pounds, 1064 01:02:42,454 --> 01:02:43,890 so they took the house. 1065 01:02:44,021 --> 01:02:45,587 We'd lived in that house all our lives. 1066 01:02:45,718 --> 01:02:47,764 And then one day you come home 1067 01:02:47,894 --> 01:02:48,982 and there's a whole load of police 1068 01:02:49,113 --> 01:02:50,418 and a whole load of bailiffs, 1069 01:02:50,549 --> 01:02:52,464 and they just won't let you back into your house. 1070 01:02:52,594 --> 01:02:55,293 And they just take everything that you've ever owned. 1071 01:02:55,423 --> 01:02:56,947 I just, you know, took my drums 1072 01:02:57,077 --> 01:03:00,167 and went and lived on the streets, lived in squats. 1073 01:03:00,298 --> 01:03:02,822 You know, I used to tie my drums to my hands 1074 01:03:02,953 --> 01:03:04,606 when I went to sleep, so that, you know, 1075 01:03:04,737 --> 01:03:06,565 so no one could take 'em. 1076 01:03:06,695 --> 01:03:08,697 You know, I don't think he should've had a family. 1077 01:03:08,828 --> 01:03:10,699 I think he would've been way better off in his life 1078 01:03:10,830 --> 01:03:13,659 if he'd never had kids and just, you know, did his thing. 1079 01:03:15,835 --> 01:03:18,142 He would've left a lot less of a mess behind. 1080 01:03:20,318 --> 01:03:23,712 Most of the time Ginger was with Baker Gurvitz Army, 1081 01:03:23,843 --> 01:03:25,889 he wasn't really on the hard stuff. 1082 01:03:26,019 --> 01:03:27,151 Oh, yeah. 1083 01:03:27,281 --> 01:03:31,633 I'm a lot, you know, better in myself. 1084 01:03:32,547 --> 01:03:34,288 Fit and well, if you like, you know? 1085 01:03:34,419 --> 01:03:36,203 The hard stuff came back 1086 01:03:36,334 --> 01:03:39,380 in the recording of "Hearts on Fire." 1087 01:03:48,389 --> 01:03:52,132 It was sort of like a pretty disastrous period, 1088 01:03:52,263 --> 01:03:54,961 so I got back into using. 1089 01:03:55,092 --> 01:03:56,702 And that's when you sort of realize 1090 01:03:56,833 --> 01:03:58,660 your idols have feet of clay, 1091 01:03:59,661 --> 01:04:01,359 the slight inkling coming in 1092 01:04:01,489 --> 01:04:03,883 that this person isn't in control. 1093 01:04:04,971 --> 01:04:07,582 The cameraman's in control. 1094 01:04:07,713 --> 01:04:08,540 Hello. 1095 01:04:09,584 --> 01:04:13,066 Um, what were you saying? 1096 01:04:38,570 --> 01:04:40,615 Jeff, get us a glass of wine, will you? 1097 01:04:42,922 --> 01:04:45,446 Fucking hell, man. I tried hard. 1098 01:04:47,013 --> 01:04:50,538 I'd decided, "I'd better get away from anybody I know 1099 01:04:50,669 --> 01:04:53,150 if I'm ever going to get straight." 1100 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,892 So I decided to go to Italy. 1101 01:04:57,719 --> 01:04:59,199 I went to Italy with Sarah, 1102 01:04:59,330 --> 01:05:02,594 living on this place right on top of a fucking mountain, 1103 01:05:02,724 --> 01:05:04,901 and I've never lived in England since. 1104 01:05:05,989 --> 01:05:08,078 I didn't know anybody. 1105 01:05:08,208 --> 01:05:09,862 I didn't even speak Italian. 1106 01:05:09,993 --> 01:05:12,430 And the house was falling down. 1107 01:05:13,518 --> 01:05:16,651 I met him in '86, 1108 01:05:16,782 --> 01:05:18,131 and I was asked to find him 1109 01:05:18,262 --> 01:05:20,917 by a singer called Johnny Rotten, 1110 01:05:21,047 --> 01:05:22,266 who was in The Sex Pistols. 1111 01:05:22,396 --> 01:05:24,964 He was living in a fairly obscure, 1112 01:05:25,095 --> 01:05:28,359 pretty obscure situation, rough situation. 1113 01:05:28,489 --> 01:05:31,449 And in the house, which was completely in kind of shambles, 1114 01:05:31,579 --> 01:05:35,844 I think there was two horses and seven dogs, no electricity, 1115 01:05:35,975 --> 01:05:37,890 and a room that overlooked the mountain 1116 01:05:38,021 --> 01:05:40,197 with a drum kit in it, only a drum kit. 1117 01:05:40,327 --> 01:05:41,981 But when he played in that room 1118 01:05:42,112 --> 01:05:43,504 and it echoed over the hills, 1119 01:05:43,635 --> 01:05:45,811 you could hear people like, you know, five miles away, 1120 01:05:45,942 --> 01:05:49,162 screaming, "Ginger! Wheels of fire," you know? 1121 01:05:49,293 --> 01:05:50,772 Sarah obviously married him 1122 01:05:50,903 --> 01:05:52,339 because she wanted, you know, a rock star. 1123 01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:53,775 Hey, you know? 1124 01:05:53,906 --> 01:05:56,691 And he took her to this little bum-fuck town, 1125 01:05:56,822 --> 01:05:58,780 and she was like, "Well, what the hell," you know, 1126 01:05:58,911 --> 01:06:00,782 "Where's all the rock-star shit?" 1127 01:06:00,913 --> 01:06:03,089 And when I went out there with some young people, 1128 01:06:03,220 --> 01:06:04,961 she went off with one of them, and that was the end of that. 1129 01:06:05,091 --> 01:06:06,788 And he was absolutely devastated, 1130 01:06:06,919 --> 01:06:10,357 because he couldn't handle his own medicine, unfortunately. 1131 01:06:12,664 --> 01:06:14,013 Was he heartbroken? 1132 01:06:14,144 --> 01:06:14,927 Oh, yeah. 1133 01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:16,581 Yeah, she fucked him good, yeah. 1134 01:06:17,712 --> 01:06:19,758 I was completely fuckin' destroyed. 1135 01:06:19,888 --> 01:06:23,631 I was on my own with all my dogs and a couple of horses. 1136 01:06:28,419 --> 01:06:29,550 I mean, it was terrible. 1137 01:06:31,117 --> 01:06:33,337 I went out there to get drum lessons and stuff. 1138 01:06:33,467 --> 01:06:34,860 He had no money, 1139 01:06:34,991 --> 01:06:37,776 so he couldn't get me a plane ticket back to England. 1140 01:06:37,906 --> 01:06:39,473 So we had to do this gig. 1141 01:06:39,604 --> 01:06:41,823 So I got really, really sick, right, the day of the gig. 1142 01:06:41,954 --> 01:06:42,824 And I was like sitting on a chair, 1143 01:06:42,955 --> 01:06:44,739 and I was like throwing up, 1144 01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:46,089 and I was just, like, a really bad way. 1145 01:06:46,219 --> 01:06:48,439 I was like, "I don't know if I can play." 1146 01:06:48,569 --> 01:06:50,789 So, you know, he chops out a line of cocaine. 1147 01:06:50,919 --> 01:06:52,356 "Take this." 1148 01:06:52,486 --> 01:06:54,662 I'm like, "I'd never done cocaine before," you know? 1149 01:06:54,793 --> 01:06:56,969 Like, "I'm 15 years old," you know? 1150 01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:58,579 So I ended up taking this line of cocaine. 1151 01:06:58,710 --> 01:07:00,451 Played the gig fine, 1152 01:07:00,581 --> 01:07:03,410 but somehow it just, like, you know, makes you feel good. 1153 01:07:04,542 --> 01:07:07,066 So then he put me on a coach back to England, you know, 1154 01:07:07,197 --> 01:07:08,328 and he took the rest of the money 1155 01:07:08,459 --> 01:07:10,156 and wouldn't get me a plane ticket. 1156 01:07:10,287 --> 01:07:12,028 And we made good money at that gig. 1157 01:07:25,824 --> 01:07:29,175 I started gettin' these letters from some guy in LA. 1158 01:07:29,436 --> 01:07:31,308 He kept saying, "Oh, man, 1159 01:07:31,438 --> 01:07:34,485 you've got a fantastic career in films." 1160 01:07:36,791 --> 01:07:39,098 So I went to California. 1161 01:07:46,323 --> 01:07:49,891 "The Nasty Boys" was the most extraordinary, 1162 01:07:50,022 --> 01:07:52,285 stupid thing I've ever seen. 1163 01:07:55,201 --> 01:07:56,028 "Aah!" 1164 01:07:56,159 --> 01:07:57,334 Hollywood, bleh. 1165 01:07:59,814 --> 01:08:01,599 That was the end of it for me. 1166 01:08:01,729 --> 01:08:03,383 I mean, it was just so stupid. 1167 01:08:03,514 --> 01:08:05,168 Last one on is a rotten egg. 1168 01:08:06,865 --> 01:08:08,214 I hadn't seen him for years. 1169 01:08:08,345 --> 01:08:11,478 When I arrived in LA, I didn't recognize him, 1170 01:08:11,609 --> 01:08:12,436 'cause he looked like an old man. 1171 01:08:12,566 --> 01:08:14,568 And I thought, "Where's my dad?" 1172 01:08:14,699 --> 01:08:17,789 He actually put an ad on Music Connection magazine 1173 01:08:17,919 --> 01:08:19,312 looking for a job. 1174 01:08:19,443 --> 01:08:21,314 "Famous drummer from the '60s," 1175 01:08:21,445 --> 01:08:22,533 you know, "Ginger Baker from Cream, 1176 01:08:22,663 --> 01:08:24,404 looking for a band to play with." 1177 01:08:26,885 --> 01:08:28,191 Are you ready to go? 1178 01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:32,630 Okay, so this is a drum kit, and I'm Ginger Baker. 1179 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,067 You hold the drumstick thusly, 1180 01:08:35,198 --> 01:08:37,765 and you play the stick like that. 1181 01:08:38,679 --> 01:08:41,160 The 1960s were heady times for Ginger Baker. 1182 01:08:41,291 --> 01:08:42,814 He was a drummer for some of rock music's 1183 01:08:42,944 --> 01:08:44,424 most influential groups. 1184 01:08:44,555 --> 01:08:46,383 We visited Baker at the ranch he rents 1185 01:08:46,513 --> 01:08:49,473 in the California desert as he tries to come back. 1186 01:08:49,603 --> 01:08:51,257 Tell me about your relationship these days 1187 01:08:51,388 --> 01:08:52,171 with Eric Clapton. 1188 01:08:52,302 --> 01:08:53,520 Do you still speak? 1189 01:08:53,694 --> 01:08:57,220 I don't have a lot in common with Eric nowadays. 1190 01:08:59,396 --> 01:09:00,484 He's sort of 1191 01:09:03,617 --> 01:09:05,576 changed considerably. 1192 01:09:05,706 --> 01:09:07,099 Ginger, the way he is 1193 01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:09,797 and the way, you know, his self-medication 1194 01:09:09,928 --> 01:09:12,887 and all of the kind of things that go on in his life, 1195 01:09:13,018 --> 01:09:16,239 I would find quite hard to be around for any length of time. 1196 01:09:16,369 --> 01:09:18,023 It was quite threatening, you know, to me 1197 01:09:18,154 --> 01:09:21,331 and I suppose what I would call my sobriety. 1198 01:09:21,461 --> 01:09:23,942 But I've always got time for him, you know, 1199 01:09:24,072 --> 01:09:26,597 and I know he knows that. 1200 01:09:26,727 --> 01:09:28,294 There was nothing star-like about him 1201 01:09:28,425 --> 01:09:29,556 when I first met him. 1202 01:09:29,687 --> 01:09:31,471 He was pretty much penniless when we met 1203 01:09:31,602 --> 01:09:35,606 and had spent everything to get his horses over to America. 1204 01:09:35,736 --> 01:09:36,911 I was pretty happy. 1205 01:09:37,042 --> 01:09:38,565 I was gonna be going into a master's program 1206 01:09:38,696 --> 01:09:40,524 and following medicine. 1207 01:09:40,654 --> 01:09:42,917 There was a lot of great stuff ahead of me. 1208 01:09:43,048 --> 01:09:44,876 And then I got a little derailed. 1209 01:09:45,877 --> 01:09:47,400 Was Karen a good person? 1210 01:09:51,187 --> 01:09:53,667 I don't want to discuss Karen. 1211 01:09:53,798 --> 01:09:57,149 He is somebody who needs to be cared for, 1212 01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,847 and maybe that's what was so attractive to me. 1213 01:09:59,978 --> 01:10:01,458 It was like, "I can help this person." 1214 01:10:01,588 --> 01:10:04,069 He was somebody really interesting to spend time with. 1215 01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:05,201 He started playing the drums, 1216 01:10:05,331 --> 01:10:06,506 and actually, that was the first time 1217 01:10:06,637 --> 01:10:08,508 I really understood the drums. 1218 01:10:16,037 --> 01:10:17,517 Nobody wanted to play with him. 1219 01:10:17,648 --> 01:10:19,215 And this is LA. 1220 01:10:19,345 --> 01:10:22,261 I mean, there should've been gigs everywhere for him. 1221 01:10:22,392 --> 01:10:23,523 I mean, people were just like, 1222 01:10:23,654 --> 01:10:25,395 "Mm, no, it's too much trouble." 1223 01:10:27,658 --> 01:10:31,531 And then finally, he did join The Masters of Reality. 1224 01:10:31,662 --> 01:10:34,012 ♪ John Brown, bring him down ♪ 1225 01:10:34,142 --> 01:10:36,841 ♪ Pull his body to the ground ♪ 1226 01:10:42,499 --> 01:10:44,805 It was really quite an enjoyable thing, 1227 01:10:44,936 --> 01:10:46,938 that Masters of Reality. 1228 01:10:47,852 --> 01:10:52,030 They were trying to say it was heavy metal, which it wasn't. 1229 01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,034 It was music you couldn't put in a box, Jay. 1230 01:11:00,908 --> 01:11:03,171 "Sunrise on the Sufferbus." 1231 01:11:03,302 --> 01:11:04,956 Musician magazine simply calls "Sufferbus, 1232 01:11:05,086 --> 01:11:07,828 the best rock album of the young decade." 1233 01:11:07,959 --> 01:11:10,527 We were on tour with Alice In Chains, 1234 01:11:10,657 --> 01:11:12,311 I think it was a mismatch. 1235 01:11:12,442 --> 01:11:14,313 Most of the crowd, to begin with, 1236 01:11:14,444 --> 01:11:16,881 didn't know who Ginger Baker was. 1237 01:11:17,011 --> 01:11:19,927 Kids in the front row with Megadeth T-shirts on 1238 01:11:20,058 --> 01:11:22,190 throwing stuff at Ginger. 1239 01:11:22,321 --> 01:11:24,280 How much can a man take? 1240 01:11:24,976 --> 01:11:26,499 I mean, he was having to start all over again, 1241 01:11:26,630 --> 01:11:28,284 just like a new musician. 1242 01:11:28,414 --> 01:11:30,329 And they were treating him like, 1243 01:11:30,460 --> 01:11:31,852 "You know, you should be happy. We got you a tour bus. 1244 01:11:31,983 --> 01:11:34,507 A lot of musicians don't have tour buses." 1245 01:11:34,638 --> 01:11:37,945 And he's like, "I did this, you know, 30 years ago. 1246 01:11:38,076 --> 01:11:39,425 I don't wanna do this again." 1247 01:11:39,556 --> 01:11:41,993 Do you think Nirvana's the new Cream? 1248 01:11:43,429 --> 01:11:47,651 He had gotten a taste of American music business, 1249 01:11:47,781 --> 01:11:51,481 Class of '93, and he spit it out. 1250 01:11:51,611 --> 01:11:53,874 And I don't fuckin' blame him one bit. 1251 01:11:54,875 --> 01:11:57,704 I didn't like LA at all. 1252 01:11:57,835 --> 01:12:00,011 He wasn't getting along with the whole polo community 1253 01:12:00,141 --> 01:12:01,621 in California at that time, 1254 01:12:01,752 --> 01:12:05,233 so he was just ready to move on and start all over again. 1255 01:12:07,845 --> 01:12:10,151 When he left to come out here to Colorado, 1256 01:12:10,282 --> 01:12:12,197 nobody wanted to play with him anymore. 1257 01:12:12,328 --> 01:12:15,374 So we started a polo club called Mile High Polo. 1258 01:12:15,505 --> 01:12:16,984 And that worked out beautifully, 1259 01:12:17,115 --> 01:12:19,030 because he didn't have to go and play with other people. 1260 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,510 They had to come play with him. 1261 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,990 Here comes Ginger Baker. 1262 01:12:23,121 --> 01:12:24,470 Not only can he play drums, 1263 01:12:24,601 --> 01:12:25,645 but he can hit that ball down the field. 1264 01:12:25,776 --> 01:12:26,951 People would come out, 1265 01:12:27,081 --> 01:12:28,735 bring their kids, bring their dogs. 1266 01:12:28,866 --> 01:12:31,564 We'd have polo and then jazz in the park. 1267 01:12:31,695 --> 01:12:34,828 He would get off the horse, come over in his polo uniform, 1268 01:12:34,959 --> 01:12:36,613 and sit down at the drums. 1269 01:12:36,743 --> 01:12:38,832 And then we'd just go into somethin' from there. 1270 01:12:38,963 --> 01:12:41,139 So it was a pretty wild experience to see. 1271 01:12:41,269 --> 01:12:43,837 And you could feel the passion of both things. 1272 01:12:50,540 --> 01:12:56,110 DJQ20, it was probably the best band I had. 1273 01:12:57,416 --> 01:13:00,854 It was great playing jazz again. 1274 01:13:00,985 --> 01:13:03,422 The music I came from. 1275 01:13:07,252 --> 01:13:09,950 Kofi was living with us at the time, 1276 01:13:10,081 --> 01:13:13,214 and we used to do a lot of drum things together. 1277 01:13:20,047 --> 01:13:21,658 He's got a prodigious technique. 1278 01:13:21,788 --> 01:13:24,356 He's got the most amazing technique. 1279 01:13:24,487 --> 01:13:25,792 He's a hell of a sweet kid. 1280 01:13:25,923 --> 01:13:28,665 It was the closest I ever got to my dad. 1281 01:13:29,666 --> 01:13:30,536 It was great fun. 1282 01:13:32,408 --> 01:13:33,844 And I actually got to play with my dad, 1283 01:13:33,974 --> 01:13:37,108 and there was some form of bond going on. 1284 01:13:37,238 --> 01:13:39,110 I mean, I wish I could've done that my whole life. 1285 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:40,894 It would've been great. 1286 01:13:59,304 --> 01:14:02,220 He comes out of jazz, plays rock, plays world music. 1287 01:14:02,350 --> 01:14:04,309 I just thought, "We should get some music together 1288 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:07,007 that shows him as this major cat, 1289 01:14:07,138 --> 01:14:09,967 not, you know, a lesser light than Max Roach, 1290 01:14:10,097 --> 01:14:11,925 but his own personal music." 1291 01:14:12,056 --> 01:14:15,538 Ron so inspired Ginger, Ginger began to practice. 1292 01:14:15,668 --> 01:14:17,583 He began to rehearse. 1293 01:14:17,714 --> 01:14:19,498 Then, finally, they came to New York 1294 01:14:19,629 --> 01:14:21,195 and played a gig at the Iridium 1295 01:14:21,326 --> 01:14:24,111 and just blew the doors off the place. 1296 01:14:25,069 --> 01:14:27,550 It went down like a fucking bomb. 1297 01:14:35,383 --> 01:14:38,343 At the Iridium in New York, Max Roach came to the gig. 1298 01:14:39,866 --> 01:14:42,652 The first record he ever bought was Max Roach. 1299 01:14:42,782 --> 01:14:44,697 I did one of the best solos I've ever done 1300 01:14:44,828 --> 01:14:46,090 when Max was there. 1301 01:15:00,452 --> 01:15:02,889 I could see Ginger's face on the break. 1302 01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:04,369 Max hugged him. 1303 01:15:04,500 --> 01:15:06,589 It was like Max was saying, "Yeah, you're in here," 1304 01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:08,547 you know, "You're one of us." 1305 01:15:08,678 --> 01:15:11,550 He just had tears coming down his face, 1306 01:15:11,681 --> 01:15:15,902 because he had achieved the pinnacle of jazz 1307 01:15:16,033 --> 01:15:18,905 for an improvising musician and a drummer. 1308 01:15:19,036 --> 01:15:21,560 He has a working band that can go toe-to-toe 1309 01:15:21,691 --> 01:15:25,216 with any band in New York, let alone planet Earth. 1310 01:15:25,346 --> 01:15:27,610 And he had not only been accepted, 1311 01:15:27,740 --> 01:15:31,352 but accepted as a peer and an equal. 1312 01:15:31,483 --> 01:15:34,660 The actual words Max said were, 1313 01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:39,622 "Jesus, Ginger plays like a nigger." 1314 01:15:39,752 --> 01:15:42,059 That, coming from someone like Max Roach, 1315 01:15:42,189 --> 01:15:47,151 was an enormous compliment, you know? 1316 01:15:49,327 --> 01:15:53,070 Four drummers in my life that were absolute heroes. 1317 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,681 Phil Seamen was the first one, 1318 01:15:55,812 --> 01:16:00,164 Max Roach, Art Blakey, and Elvin Jones. 1319 01:16:00,294 --> 01:16:05,256 All four of 'em became friends, I mean friends. 1320 01:16:06,866 --> 01:16:07,693 Dear friends. 1321 01:16:08,607 --> 01:16:11,088 And that to me [voice breaking] is worth 1322 01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:15,135 more to me than anything in the world. 1323 01:16:38,768 --> 01:16:41,379 Anywhere Ginger goes, it's just a matter of time 1324 01:16:42,598 --> 01:16:44,774 before there's gonna be controversy going on. 1325 01:16:46,253 --> 01:16:48,125 Somebody did a very nasty 1326 01:16:49,256 --> 01:16:53,173 and resulted in Liz gettin' arrested yesterday 1327 01:16:53,304 --> 01:16:54,653 by the immigration people. 1328 01:16:56,524 --> 01:16:58,701 He had an English groom that was living with us. 1329 01:16:58,831 --> 01:17:01,747 But because her immigration papers hadn't come through yet, 1330 01:17:01,878 --> 01:17:04,750 she was illegal, and so they took her away. 1331 01:17:04,881 --> 01:17:06,665 And I started going crazy. 1332 01:17:08,275 --> 01:17:11,365 And there was these two guys, Lewis and Floorwax, 1333 01:17:11,496 --> 01:17:13,846 who had a radio show that I was on. 1334 01:17:13,977 --> 01:17:15,935 He came on the radio show one morning 1335 01:17:16,066 --> 01:17:17,807 and started talking about it. 1336 01:17:17,937 --> 01:17:20,244 And he literally told everybody to fuck off. 1337 01:17:20,374 --> 01:17:23,029 I mean, this is a foul deed. 1338 01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:25,902 He said somethin' about the United States of America 1339 01:17:26,032 --> 01:17:29,122 can kiss my ass or blow me or somethin' like that. 1340 01:17:29,253 --> 01:17:30,646 I think that's the last thing he said on our show. 1341 01:17:30,776 --> 01:17:32,909 I believe that was the final sentence. 1342 01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:34,345 And so we ended the interview, 1343 01:17:34,475 --> 01:17:37,087 and next thing we heard, he was deported. 1344 01:17:37,217 --> 01:17:39,611 He thought he was seeing the writing on the wall. 1345 01:17:39,742 --> 01:17:41,744 I'm the next target now. 1346 01:17:41,874 --> 01:17:43,746 So he decided to grab his toys and leave 1347 01:17:43,876 --> 01:17:45,399 before they could kick him out. 1348 01:17:46,357 --> 01:17:47,663 People are saying 1349 01:17:47,793 --> 01:17:48,838 it's one of the best records he's ever done, 1350 01:17:48,968 --> 01:17:49,969 and then he left. 1351 01:17:51,057 --> 01:17:53,407 We just put this record out, and he just split. 1352 01:17:53,538 --> 01:17:55,018 Kofi would come over every single day 1353 01:17:55,148 --> 01:17:56,541 and play with his dad. 1354 01:17:56,672 --> 01:17:58,543 And then a couple days before he left, 1355 01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:00,893 kinda like you with the cane to your face, 1356 01:18:01,024 --> 01:18:03,243 Ginger gave a verbal cane to Kofi's face 1357 01:18:03,374 --> 01:18:05,463 and just basically I think told him, 1358 01:18:05,593 --> 01:18:07,117 "You're a piece-of-shit drummer, 1359 01:18:07,247 --> 01:18:09,119 and you'll never be what I am, and you just can't get it." 1360 01:18:09,249 --> 01:18:12,862 And that was it, his way of saying goodbye. 1361 01:18:14,341 --> 01:18:15,429 Well, I asked him, I asked him if, 1362 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:16,909 you know, I said, you know, 1363 01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:18,955 "Do you even care about anything I do or anything?" 1364 01:18:19,085 --> 01:18:20,304 He said, "No." 1365 01:18:20,434 --> 01:18:21,914 So I said, "Fine." So I got in my car and left. 1366 01:18:22,045 --> 01:18:24,308 That was the last time I saw him. 1367 01:18:33,317 --> 01:18:35,449 I don't know if it's his ability to move on 1368 01:18:35,580 --> 01:18:37,451 or his inability to stay. 1369 01:18:38,452 --> 01:18:40,628 I think he has trouble staying, 1370 01:18:40,759 --> 01:18:43,066 and so moving on is his option. 1371 01:18:43,196 --> 01:18:44,850 I went with him on several of those moves, 1372 01:18:44,981 --> 01:18:46,852 and then the last one, I decided, "No. 1373 01:18:46,983 --> 01:18:49,463 I'm not up for one more of these." 1374 01:18:54,033 --> 01:18:57,776 Maybe it goes back to when his dad died. 1375 01:18:57,907 --> 01:18:59,996 He was just kinda taken away abruptly, 1376 01:19:01,214 --> 01:19:03,260 and there was nothing he could do about it. 1377 01:19:04,261 --> 01:19:09,005 The only time I remember my dad clearly is on the train, 1378 01:19:09,135 --> 01:19:11,747 when he went off after his last leave. 1379 01:19:15,446 --> 01:19:18,579 And as the train pulled off, I broke away from my mom 1380 01:19:18,710 --> 01:19:22,540 and went running down the platform after the train, cryin'. 1381 01:19:26,674 --> 01:19:29,416 It was like I knew he wasn't coming back. 1382 01:19:33,899 --> 01:19:38,774 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 1383 01:19:38,904 --> 01:19:43,866 ♪ But I can't find my way home ♪ 1384 01:19:44,518 --> 01:19:47,870 ♪ Can't, ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 1385 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:49,219 ♪ Ooh, ooh, ooh ♪ 1386 01:19:49,349 --> 01:19:54,354 ♪ But I can't find my way home ♪ 1387 01:19:54,485 --> 01:19:59,446 ♪ Still I can't find My way home ♪ 1388 01:20:00,099 --> 01:20:05,104 ♪ And I ain't done Nothing wrong ♪ 1389 01:20:05,496 --> 01:20:07,541 ♪ But I can't find my way home ♪ 1390 01:20:07,672 --> 01:20:10,806 20 years ago, South Africa was the last place 1391 01:20:10,936 --> 01:20:12,416 I would ever have dreamt of going, 1392 01:20:12,546 --> 01:20:14,331 because I was so, you know, 1393 01:20:14,461 --> 01:20:17,421 appalled at the apartheid regime. 1394 01:20:17,551 --> 01:20:19,858 Well, now it's broken up. 1395 01:20:19,989 --> 01:20:22,905 South Africa has joined the rest of the world. 1396 01:20:23,035 --> 01:20:23,688 So what are you gonna do musically 1397 01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:24,820 when you get there? 1398 01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:25,864 Do you have plans? 1399 01:20:26,734 --> 01:20:29,259 I have more plans than you can dream of. 1400 01:20:29,389 --> 01:20:33,959 I mean, South Africa is very rich musically. 1401 01:20:34,917 --> 01:20:36,092 Sweethearts have done it all. 1402 01:20:36,222 --> 01:20:38,442 Fast broads, pretty, ambitious, 1403 01:20:38,572 --> 01:20:41,488 and after all the money they can get out of a guy. 1404 01:20:41,619 --> 01:20:44,927 Those deadly dames leave behind a trail of dead husbands. 1405 01:20:45,057 --> 01:20:46,276 If she has to kill somebody, 1406 01:20:46,406 --> 01:20:47,538 she's going to. 1407 01:20:47,668 --> 01:20:49,496 Real-life femme fatales. 1408 01:20:49,627 --> 01:20:54,327 I've got some really cool music in my head. 1409 01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:59,115 I tried to do the polo and jazz thing here. 1410 01:21:01,508 --> 01:21:05,121 But there's not that many musicians over here. 1411 01:21:06,296 --> 01:21:07,993 But how much of it is about you playing 1412 01:21:08,124 --> 01:21:10,126 because it's what you love doing? 1413 01:21:11,170 --> 01:21:12,215 Well, it depends. 1414 01:21:12,650 --> 01:21:16,219 To have a good time, it depends who you're playing with. 1415 01:21:18,482 --> 01:21:19,700 I mean, five years ago, 1416 01:21:19,831 --> 01:21:23,922 the Royal Albert Hall gigs were just fantastic. 1417 01:21:42,201 --> 01:21:44,508 They were just great. 1418 01:21:44,638 --> 01:21:47,467 It was great to play with Eric, 1419 01:21:47,598 --> 01:21:49,208 and it was great to play with Jack. 1420 01:21:49,339 --> 01:21:52,255 He did the reunion in 2005 with Cream, 1421 01:21:52,385 --> 01:21:53,560 got a whole bunch of money, 1422 01:21:53,691 --> 01:21:58,652 and he got 24 horses he imported from the UK. 1423 01:21:58,957 --> 01:22:01,090 Yeah, they cost him a fortune. 1424 01:22:02,482 --> 01:22:05,224 I've got 38 horses. 1425 01:22:05,355 --> 01:22:08,271 Horses don't let you down, nor do dogs. 1426 01:22:11,622 --> 01:22:13,493 They all know who I am. 1427 01:22:14,451 --> 01:22:16,757 He got $5 million or so from that reunion. 1428 01:22:16,888 --> 01:22:18,629 Now he's broke as shit. 1429 01:22:18,759 --> 01:22:20,065 He's blown all the money, 1430 01:22:20,196 --> 01:22:21,284 and he's got nothin' to show for it. 1431 01:22:24,765 --> 01:22:26,158 He will go out of his way, 1432 01:22:26,898 --> 01:22:30,641 effortwise and timewise and moneywise 1433 01:22:30,771 --> 01:22:32,860 to do everything for his animals. 1434 01:22:32,991 --> 01:22:35,733 Sometimes I get the idea that the animals comes first 1435 01:22:35,863 --> 01:22:39,650 and then the people. 1436 01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:44,742 ♪ I found out today ♪ 1437 01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:50,400 ♪ We're going wrong ♪ 1438 01:23:14,467 --> 01:23:15,903 Do you think that you might have to go back 1439 01:23:16,034 --> 01:23:17,557 to playing the drums again? 1440 01:23:18,776 --> 01:23:20,299 Why? 1441 01:23:20,430 --> 01:23:21,779 Because the bank might foreclose on your property. 1442 01:23:21,909 --> 01:23:23,911 And besides, it's who you are. 1443 01:23:24,042 --> 01:23:28,046 Oh, for fuck's sake, why are we talking this shit? 1444 01:23:29,613 --> 01:23:34,096 I think he's realizing that his time really has come 1445 01:23:34,226 --> 01:23:35,967 to finish playing the drums. 1446 01:23:40,189 --> 01:23:42,800 Dogs in general, maybe horses as well, 1447 01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:46,934 but dogs specifically knows when it's the end of the path. 1448 01:23:49,328 --> 01:23:50,677 They just give up. 1449 01:23:50,808 --> 01:23:53,550 You know, they know that this is the end of the road. 1450 01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,422 Obviously, some of 'em have got fight in them, some doesn't. 1451 01:23:56,553 --> 01:24:01,558 But they realize that they've had their life. 1452 01:24:01,819 --> 01:24:04,082 They won't die here in front of you. 1453 01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:08,565 They will go underneath a bed, where it's private, quiet. 1454 01:24:10,349 --> 01:24:15,311 ♪ We're going wrong ♪ 1455 01:24:16,094 --> 01:24:18,009 ♪ Yeah ♪ 1456 01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:22,100 Thank you. 1457 01:24:29,325 --> 01:24:30,500 You think you can take your glasses off 1458 01:24:30,630 --> 01:24:31,457 for me, Ginger? 1459 01:24:33,851 --> 01:24:35,200 Why? 1460 01:24:35,331 --> 01:24:36,114 I'd like to see your eyes. 1461 01:25:00,617 --> 01:25:04,925 I have terrible skepticism about musicians that die young 1462 01:25:05,056 --> 01:25:08,233 and create legends which are kinda mythical. 1463 01:25:08,364 --> 01:25:09,843 There's no myth about Ginger. 1464 01:25:09,974 --> 01:25:12,542 You know, he is exactly what he is. 1465 01:25:12,672 --> 01:25:15,197 And that's the thing that we value. 1466 01:25:20,811 --> 01:25:21,768 I don't know what he is. 1467 01:25:21,899 --> 01:25:25,163 He's his own person, and he's great. 1468 01:25:25,294 --> 01:25:28,601 He's definitely the best Ginger Baker in the world, 1469 01:25:28,732 --> 01:25:29,950 and I love him. 1470 01:25:39,046 --> 01:25:41,048 It was our last day of filming, 1471 01:25:41,179 --> 01:25:44,400 and here I am, saying goodbye. 1472 01:25:44,530 --> 01:25:46,793 He said, "Where are you going now?" 1473 01:25:46,924 --> 01:25:49,970 And I said, "I'm gonna go talk to these people 1474 01:25:50,101 --> 01:25:51,668 who are a part of your life." 1475 01:25:52,712 --> 01:25:56,368 And he was like, "Nah. No, you're not." 1476 01:25:56,499 --> 01:26:00,459 And I don't want any of them on my film! 1477 01:26:04,246 --> 01:26:04,898 Are you really gonna hit me with the... 1478 01:26:05,029 --> 01:26:06,683 I fucking well am! 1479 01:26:06,813 --> 01:26:09,164 I'm gonna fucking put you in hospital! 1480 01:26:10,077 --> 01:26:11,557 Why? Oh, my God! 1481 01:26:11,688 --> 01:26:12,515 Yes! 1482 01:26:15,474 --> 01:26:18,390 Ginger Baker just hit me in the fucking nose. 1483 01:26:21,263 --> 01:26:22,960 At first I was really pissed. 1484 01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:25,354 - Say you're sorry! - No! 1485 01:26:27,051 --> 01:26:28,966 But then I realized 1486 01:26:30,402 --> 01:26:33,362 the madman is alive and well, 1487 01:26:33,492 --> 01:26:36,713 with a precise message to all those who dare enter. 1488 01:26:38,018 --> 01:26:40,151 Beware of Mr. Baker. 1489 01:26:42,022 --> 01:26:44,155 Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker! 1490 01:26:44,286 --> 01:26:47,245 Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker! 1491 01:26:47,376 --> 01:26:49,595 Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker! 1492 01:26:50,727 --> 01:26:52,946 Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker! 1493 01:26:53,860 --> 01:26:55,253 Ginger Baker! 1494 01:26:55,384 --> 01:26:56,994 He seems to go through wars and bombs, 1495 01:26:57,124 --> 01:27:00,780 and comes out the other end unscathed, amazingly. 1496 01:27:00,911 --> 01:27:01,912 And you've gotta admire that. 1497 01:27:02,042 --> 01:27:03,653 You've gotta admire that, 1498 01:27:03,783 --> 01:27:04,567 that he doesn't ever, you know, 1499 01:27:04,697 --> 01:27:07,483 kind of give in and go, "Okay." 1500 01:27:07,613 --> 01:27:08,701 Ginger Baker! Ginger Baker! 1501 01:27:08,832 --> 01:27:11,051 The indomitable Ginger Baker 1502 01:27:11,182 --> 01:27:13,358 always gets up off the canvas. 1503 01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:19,582 After selling his horses, his farm, and his Range Rover, 1504 01:27:20,017 --> 01:27:21,714 he goes back on the road 1505 01:27:21,845 --> 01:27:24,239 and to being the one thing that he's always been. 1506 01:27:40,907 --> 01:27:42,300 Do what you like. 1507 01:27:43,170 --> 01:27:46,913 If you enjoy doing something and you do it very well, 1508 01:27:47,044 --> 01:27:48,872 you can be successful and enjoy life. 1509 01:27:50,177 --> 01:27:53,616 I like playing the drums. 1510 01:27:54,834 --> 01:27:57,359 I know what my life's experiences are, 1511 01:27:57,489 --> 01:28:01,667 and I like to exemplify them in music. 1512 01:28:01,798 --> 01:28:04,061 Mr. Baker does the same. 1513 01:28:04,191 --> 01:28:07,020 If that makes him an unpleasant person socially, 1514 01:28:07,151 --> 01:28:10,023 well, that's exactly what is required 1515 01:28:10,154 --> 01:28:14,289 for the music from him to be so superb. 1516 01:28:15,638 --> 01:28:18,597 And I cannot question anyone 1517 01:28:18,728 --> 01:28:20,686 with end results that perfect. 1518 01:29:00,813 --> 01:29:05,340 ♪ Don't take the wrong Direction ♪ 1519 01:29:05,470 --> 01:29:08,299 ♪ Passing through ♪ 1520 01:29:10,170 --> 01:29:11,563 This is a Hollywood movie here, so... 1521 01:29:11,694 --> 01:29:12,521 Oof. 1522 01:29:13,696 --> 01:29:15,262 It's gotta be really dramatic, 1523 01:29:15,393 --> 01:29:17,961 and I need to get you to cry at a certain point. 1524 01:29:18,091 --> 01:29:20,050 So if you could just cry right now, that'd be... 1525 01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:21,443 Oh, yeah, okay. 1526 01:29:21,573 --> 01:29:23,270 You're dumb. You know that? 1527 01:29:23,575 --> 01:29:25,142 You really are dumb. 1528 01:29:25,272 --> 01:29:29,625 Good God, I'm talking to a fucking block of moronic wood. 1529 01:29:29,755 --> 01:29:32,454 Just a single tear, like really slow-motion, 1530 01:29:33,585 --> 01:29:35,500 and down the side of your face. 1531 01:29:35,631 --> 01:29:37,850 If we could just get that shot, it'd be great. 1532 01:29:37,981 --> 01:29:40,636 ♪ No relaxation ♪ 1533 01:29:41,550 --> 01:29:45,075 Trying to explain to a dumb American is very difficult. 1534 01:29:45,205 --> 01:29:49,340 If a stick had five right ends and one wrong end, 1535 01:29:49,471 --> 01:29:52,604 you'd get the wrong end every time. 1536 01:29:55,607 --> 01:30:00,569 There, I'm crying for you. 1537 01:30:00,786 --> 01:30:01,613 Hello? 1538 01:30:02,962 --> 01:30:05,530 Spring will be a little late this year. 1539 01:30:05,661 --> 01:30:07,445 Talk about three short blanks. 1540 01:30:08,359 --> 01:30:10,187 You take the biscuit, boy. 1541 01:30:12,015 --> 01:30:13,930 You drive me fucking crazy. 1542 01:30:17,194 --> 01:30:21,938 ♪ For you will hear No laughter ♪ 1543 01:30:22,068 --> 01:30:26,333 ♪ Nor see the sun ♪ 1544 01:30:26,464 --> 01:30:30,860 ♪ Life will be one disaster ♪ 1545 01:30:30,990 --> 01:30:35,952 ♪ All the way through ♪ 1546 01:30:37,344 --> 01:30:41,610 ♪ No relaxation ♪ 1547 01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:46,266 ♪ No conversation ♪ 1548 01:30:46,397 --> 01:30:49,400 ♪ No variation ♪ 1549 01:30:49,531 --> 01:30:53,578 ♪ In a very dark blue ♪ 1550 01:30:53,709 --> 01:30:58,714 ♪ Blue condition ♪ 1551 01:30:59,410 --> 01:31:03,762 ♪ Don't take the wrong Direction ♪ 1552 01:31:03,893 --> 01:31:08,071 ♪ Passing through ♪ 1553 01:31:08,201 --> 01:31:12,989 ♪ Instead of deep reflection ♪ 1554 01:31:13,119 --> 01:31:16,906 ♪ Of what's true ♪ 1555 01:31:17,036 --> 01:31:21,388 ♪ For it's a combination ♪ 1556 01:31:21,519 --> 01:31:25,915 ♪ Of judgments made by you ♪ 1557 01:31:26,045 --> 01:31:30,267 ♪ That cause a deep dejection ♪ 1558 01:31:30,397 --> 01:31:35,359 ♪ All the way through ♪ 1559 01:31:37,013 --> 01:31:41,365 ♪ No relaxation ♪ 1560 01:31:41,496 --> 01:31:45,804 ♪ No conversation ♪ 1561 01:31:45,935 --> 01:31:49,025 ♪ No variation ♪ 1562 01:31:49,155 --> 01:31:53,420 ♪ In a very dark blue ♪ 1563 01:31:53,551 --> 01:31:58,513 ♪ Blue condition ♪ 1564 01:32:00,689 --> 01:32:05,084 ♪ No relaxation ♪ 1565 01:32:05,215 --> 01:32:09,393 ♪ No conversation ♪ 1566 01:32:09,524 --> 01:32:12,657 ♪ No variation ♪ 1567 01:32:12,788 --> 01:32:17,749 ♪ In a very dark blue ♪ 1568 01:32:18,837 --> 01:32:21,144 ♪ Condition ♪ 113180

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