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(radio chatter)
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(distant helicopter blades beating)
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ROGER HARRIS: Soldiers adapt.
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You go over there with
one mindset, you know,
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and then you adapt.
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You adapt to the atrocities of war.
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You adapt to...
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...killing and dying, you know.
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After a while it doesn't bother you.
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Well, I should say it
doesn't bother you as much.
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When I first arrived in
Vietnam, there were some...
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(sighs)
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there were some interesting
things that happened
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and I questioned some of the Marines.
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I was made to realize that this
is war, and this is what we do.
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And that stuck in my head.
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This is war.
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This is what we do.
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And after a while you embrace that.
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This is war.
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This is what we do.
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("Are You Experienced?" by the
Jimi Hendrix Experience playing)
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This evening I came here to
speak to you about Vietnam.
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There is progress in the war itself,
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rather dramatic progress
considering the situation
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that actually prevailed when we
sent our troops there in 1965.
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The grip of the Viet Cong on
the people is being broken.
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HENDRIX: ♪ If you can just
get your mind together ♪
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(rapid gunfire)
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♪ Then come across to me
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NARRATOR: In the summer of 1967,
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the men overseeing the war in Vietnam
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remained outwardly optimistic...
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whatever private doubts they may have held.
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HENDRIX: ♪ But first
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♪ Are you experienced?
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(airplane flying overhead)
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(explosion)
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♪ Have you ever been experienced? ♪
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NARRATOR: The American military
command in Vietnam, MACV,
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claimed to have killed 200,000 enemy troops
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and had told the president
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that the all-important "crossover point"...
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the moment when U.S. and
ARVN forces were killing
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more Viet Cong and North Vietnamese troops
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than the enemy could replace...
appeared to have been reached
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in almost all of South Vietnam.
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But the United States had suffered
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nearly 75,000 casualties.
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By July 4, 14,624 Americans had died,
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and, off the record,
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many officers were much less
sanguine than their commanders.
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From Saigon, R.W. Apple of
theNew York Time s summarized
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their views: "Victory is not
close at hand," he wrote.
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In fact, "It may be beyond reach."
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("Are You Experienced?" by the
Jimi Hendrix Experience playing)
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(rapid gunfire)
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It was true that the enemy
rarely won a battle
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in the traditional military
sense that they drove
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the Americans from the field.
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But it was also true
that no American victory
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seemed to matter.
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Battered enemy units were
quickly reinforced and rearmed.
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Pacification... winning the hearts and minds
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of the South Vietnamese
people... was not working.
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Saigon still controlled only
a fraction of a country
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roughly the size of Florida,
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and its government remained
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unpopular and riddled with corruption.
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President Johnson had been
forced to raise taxes
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to meet the war's ever-climbing cost.
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His ambitious social program...
his War on Poverty...
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was in retreat.
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HENDRIX: ♪ Trumpets and violins
I can hear in the distance ♪
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NARRATOR: That summer, racial
unrest would grip American cities.
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HENDRIX: ♪ Maybe now
you can't hear them ♪
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♪ But you will
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NARRATOR: The president would have
to send the Army into Detroit
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to end five days of rioting
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that left 43 dead and
hundreds of buildings razed.
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Twenty-six more died in Newark, New Jersey,
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demonstrating yet again how wide a gap
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remained between black and white Americans.
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Only a third of the country saw
any sign of progress in Vietnam,
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and half of the country now disapproved
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of the president's handling of the war.
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Meanwhile, Le Duan and his comrades
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who ran things in Hanoi,
were secretly planning
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a new offensive that they
believed would destroy
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what they called the puppet
government in Saigon
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and convince the United States
the war could never be won
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on the battlefield.
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JAMES WILLBANKS: There's the old
apocryphal story that, in 1967,
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they went to the basement of the Pentagon
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when the mainframe computers
took up the whole basement,
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and they put on the old
punch cards everything
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you could quantify... numbers of ships,
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numbers of airplanes, numbers of
tanks, numbers of helicopters,
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artillery, machine gun, ammo...
everything you could quantify,
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put it in the hopper and said,
"When will we win in Vietnam?"
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Went away on Friday.
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The thing ground away all weekend.
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Came back on Monday and there
was one card in the output tray
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and it said, "You won in 1965."
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The only problem is the enemy gets a vote
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and they weren't on the punch cards.
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NARRATOR: There were nearly half a
million American soldiers in Vietnam
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by the middle of 1967,
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with thousands more on the way.
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Only 20% would ever be in combat.
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The rest served in support units.
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None of them had been taught
very much about the people
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against whom... and for whom...
they had been asked to fight.
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Troops called the Vietnamese "gooks"...
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a term first used by U.S. Marines to refer
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to the people of Haiti and Nicaragua
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during the American occupation
of those countries,
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and then applied to the
Asian enemy in Korea.
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Or "slopes," an epithet for the
Japanese during the Pacific War,
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or "dinks," an Australian
term for the Chinese.
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And so in basic training they taught you
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that you were going to be fighting gooks.
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It was part of the song that you sang
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as you jogged down the road.
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As you went through bayonet training,
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you were not talking about Vietnamese.
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You were always talking about gooks.
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Vietnamese might be people,
but gooks are-are...
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are close to being animals.
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NARRATOR: Gis called
Vietnamese homes "hooches"...
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a corruption of the Japanese
word for dwelling places
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that they had learned during
the battle for Okinawa
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in the Second World War.
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Soldiers referred to older
Vietnamese women as "mama sans,"
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the term they used for
women who ran whorehouses
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in occupied Japan.
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The Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese
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called Gis "invaders," "imperialists,"
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and (speaking Vietnamese)...
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"American bandits."
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South Vietnam had been divided
into four tactical zones.
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By the summer of 1967,
American troops were fighting
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in all four of them.
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In IV Corps, the "Brown Water Navy"
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patrolled the rivers and canals and marshes
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of the densely populated Mekong Delta,
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searching for the enemy.
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In III Corps, the Army continued
to sweep the thick jungles
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of the Iron Triangle,
the Viet Cong sanctuary
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near Saigon that was supposed
to have been permanently denied
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to the enemy by big American
operations earlier in the year.
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In II Corps, a series of bloody battles
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in the Central Highlands around
Dak To temporarily drove
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North Vietnamese troops back
into Cambodia and Laos.
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But some of the most intense
combat would take place
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in I Corps... made up of the
five northernmost provinces
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of South Vietnam... where
the Marines would bear
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the brunt of the fighting.
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More than two-and-a-half
million people lived there,
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all but 2% of them within
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the narrow rice-growing river valleys
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along the South China Sea.
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The Marines wanted to eradicate
the Viet Cong there,
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and provide security to the people,
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village by village, hamlet by hamlet.
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The vast, largely empty
highlands that stretched
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westward all the way to
Laos, the Marines argued,
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could be left to the enemy.
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"The real war is among the people,"
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said Marine lieutenant
general Victor Krulak,
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"and not among the mountains."
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But General William Westmoreland,
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the American commander,
feared that thousands
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of North Vietnamese Army
regulars... the NVA...
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were planning to seize the
two northernmost provinces.
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Finding and destroying them
remained his first goal.
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(helicopter blades beating)
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He insisted the Third Marine Division
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move north to meet that challenge,
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establish a base at Dong Ha and
man strongpoints at Gio Linh,
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Con Thien, Cam Lo, Camp Carroll,
the Rockpile and Khe Sanh.
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Khe Sanh overlooked Route
9, the East-West highway
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that Westmoreland hoped would
one day carry American troops
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across the border into Laos,
where North Vietnamese men
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and supplies were streaming
south on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
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But the thousands of Marines
monitoring the border
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would find themselves within
range of highly accurate
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North Vietnamese artillery
and rocket launchers
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hidden within the DMZ.
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("I'm a Man" by The Spencer
Davis Group playing"
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(explosions)
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JOHN LAURENCE: Tell me...
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You came here at full strength?
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I had 13 men when I came.
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And it's four days later now
and how many are still here?
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Six.
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("I'm a Man" continues)
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The rifles have been
jamming, the mud's been...
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it slowed everything down.
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And the artillery comes in everywhere.
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And, ah, it just gets pretty futile
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and frustrating sometimes.
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("I'm a Man" continues)
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I can't say that I'm scared
stiff, but I'm scared.
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I mean, after a while, you
know it's going to come.
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And you can't do nothing about it.
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And you just look to God.
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SPENCER DAVIS GROUP: ♪
Well, my pad is very messy
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♪ And there's whiskers on my chin. ♪
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NARRATOR: Private First Class John Musgrave
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of Fairmount, Missouri, who
had volunteered to join
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the 3rd Marine Division,
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was sent to the battle-scarred
countryside around Con Thien,
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a few kilometers south of the DMZ.
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(explosion)
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JOHN MUSGRAVE: For the Marines in northern
I Corps in the 3rd Marine Division
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in the spring and summer
of 1967 we called the DMZ
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the "Dead Marine Zone."
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NARRATOR: Musgrave's 1st
Battalion had already suffered
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so many casualties in a
series of bloody sweeps
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that it was believed to
be a hard-luck outfit.
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They were called the "Walking Dead."
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SPENCER DAVIS GROUP: ♪ I'm a
man, yes I am, and I can't... ♪
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MUSGRAVE: I joined the Marine
Corps to be in the varsity.
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And I felt like I wasn't
varsity unless I was up north
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fighting the NVA.
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I have never regretted that decision.
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There were times when we
were under artillery fire,
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where I thought, you know,
"What-what were you thinking?"
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Here it is in a nutshell: if
I lived to be 63 years old,
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I didn't want to look in
the mirror some morning
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and have a guy looking back at
me that hadn't done everything
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for what he believed,
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that let somebody else do the harder part.
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Every major contact I remember
with the NVA was initiated
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by them ambushing us.
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They wouldn't hit us unless
they outnumbered us.
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And we were fighting in their yard.
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They knew the ground; we didn't.
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They were just really good.
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LE VAN CHO:
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NARRATOR: The North Vietnamese
carried Soviet-made,
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seemingly indestructible AK-47s.
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The Marines had to fight with
newly issued M-16 rifles
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that had for a time a
potentially fatal design flaw:
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they needed constant cleaning
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and often jammed in the
middle of firefights.
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MUSGRAVE: Their rifles worked; ours didn't.
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The M-16 was a piece of shit.
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You can't throw your bullets at the enemy
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and have them be effective.
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And that rifle malfunctioned
on us repeatedly.
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(gunfire)
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HO HUU LAN:
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My hatred for them was pure.
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Pure.
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I hated them so much.
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And I was so scared of them.
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Boy, I was terrified of them.
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And the scareder I got,
the more I hated them.
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MUSGRAVE: I only killed one
human being in Vietnam.
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And that was the first
man that I ever killed.
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And I was sick with guilt
about killing that guy
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and thinking I'm going to have to do this
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for the next 13 months.
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I'm-I'm going to go crazy.
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And I saw a Marine step
on a bouncing Betty mine,
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and that's when I made
my deal with the devil
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and that I said, "I will never
kill another human being
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"as long as I'm in Vietnam.
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"However, I will waste as
many gooks as I can find.
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"I'll wax as many dinks as I can find.
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"I'll smoke as many zips as I can find.
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But I ain't gonna kill anybody," you know?
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Turn the subject into an object.
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It's Racism 101.
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It turns out to be a very necessary tool
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when you have children fighting your wars,
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for them to stay sane doing their work.
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NARRATOR: On one early
patrol, Musgrave watched
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an American fighter swoop down
to drop napalm on enemy troops
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hidden behind a hedgerow.
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He could hear their AK-47s
firing at the plane
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until the instant they
were engulfed in flames.
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"If the enemy is willing to
die like that," he thought,
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"this is going to be one very long war."
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MUSGRAVE: They knew if they
would pop the ambush close
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and then get amongst you,
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we couldn't or would hesitate
to call in air on ourselves.
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So that... firefights like
that we called brawls.
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They were very intimate.
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And they were very deadly.
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And they were absolutely terrifying.
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NARRATOR: The Marines were spread too
thin to hold any of the territory
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they fought so hard to take.
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Again and again, they were
sent out from one stronghold
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or another along the DMZ,
looking for enemy soldiers.
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MUSGRAVE: The disillusionment for
me began when I was going back
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to fight at places we'd
already fought before.
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We had fought, captured, and then left
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and the NVA came right back.
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You don't like getting wounded
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in places you've already been before.
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War is a real estate business.
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We're supposed to take real
estate away from the enemy
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and then deny the enemy
access to that real estate.
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NARRATOR: On the morning of July 2,
1967, the 1st Battalion launched
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yet another sweep of the
area northeast of Con Thien.
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When they reached a crossroads
called "The Marketplace,"
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barely a mile and quarter from
their base, they were ambushed.
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One company was virtually annihilated.
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John Musgrave's company rushed
to rescue the survivors,
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only to be pinned down there as well.
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It was one of the worst days the
Marine Corps endured in Vietnam:
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53 dead and 190 wounded were
carried off the battlefield.
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Thirty-four more dead
had to be left behind,
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and when Marines fought their
way back two days later
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to retrieve their bodies,
they found that a number
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had died because their M-16s had
jammed as the enemy closed in.
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Many had been executed, shot in the face
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or back of the head at close range.
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Some bodies had been booby-trapped,
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others mutilated.
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MUSGRAVE: Marine amphibious
force headquarters
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was so desperate to get
North Vietnamese prisoners,
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that they offered us
three day in-country R&R
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if we'd bring a prisoner in.
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Yeah, good luck.
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You know?
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Don't you know who...
what we're doing up here?
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Do you know who we're fighting?
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I want to make this clear,
we did not torture prisoners
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and we did not mutilate them.
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But to be a prisoner you had to
make it to the rear, you know.
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If he was with... fell into our hands
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he was just one sorry fucker.
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I don't know how to explain
it that it would make sense.
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("Green Onions" by Booker T.
& the M.G.s playing)
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HARRIS: Roxbury, where I grew up,
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was the African-American neighborhood,
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and South Boston was the
Irish-Catholic bastion.
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You know, there was a lot of hate.
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South Boston folks hated us, we hated them.
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And ironically, um...
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(sighs)
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You know, you end up in a war.
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And the Vietnamese didn't care
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whether you were from
Roxbury or South Boston.
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They saw you as American.
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And they wanted to kill you
because you're American.
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NARRATOR: Private Roger Harris had
joined the Marines in part, he said,
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because he wanted to be "a gladiator,"
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a killer of his country's enemies.
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On July 28, two weeks after
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John Musgrave's badly mangled
1st Battalion was pulled back
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to rest and recover,
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Roger Harris and the 2nd
Battalion moved out of Con Thien
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and into the southern half of
the Demilitarized Zone itself.
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HARRIS: We wanted the North Vietnamese Army
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to expose themselves.
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So, basically, you put the bait out there,
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and then we could call in
and rain hell on them.
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NARRATOR: Roger Harris's
battalion advanced into the DMZ
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along a rough cart track that
led to the Ben Hai River.
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But planners had failed to
see that a concrete bridge
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over an impassable stream
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was too narrow and too weak
to carry armored vehicles.
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Now the Marines had no choice
but to violate a cardinal rule
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of infantry tactics...
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turn around and try to go
back the way they had come.
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The enemy was waiting.
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(explosion, rapid gunfire)
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Massive ambushes and...
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(gunfire, shouting)
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...and, um, a lot of death.
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And...
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...craziness.
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NARRATOR: The Marines were forced to
run a bloody gauntlet of mortars,
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machine gun fire and
rocket-propelled grenades.
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HARRIS: I had the utmost respect for
the North Vietnamese Army soldiers.
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When you see someone jump out
and confront a tank, you know,
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with a big 50-caliber machine gun on it
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and a 90-millimeter cannon on it,
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and an individual takes on the tank,
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I think that says something.
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NARRATOR: Roger Harris's
company held up the rear,
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hounded by enemy soldiers on all sides.
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The Marines staggered back out of the DMZ
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alongside the battered armored vehicles
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heaped with dead and wounded Americans.
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The battalion suffered 214 casualties.
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HARRIS: Wasn't a good
day for Marines at all.
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A lot of people died.
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People got their legs shot off.
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People got run over by tanks.
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I don't want to talk
about it because it's...
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it's not a good day, wasn't a good day.
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LO KHAC TAM:
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This is "bau cu", the day
of voting in Vietnam,
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and it's a solemn day in the
village of Hung Thao Phu
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and in other villages
throughout the country.
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And these people have dressed
up in their Sunday best for it.
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NARRATOR: South Vietnamese
prime minister Nguyen Cao Ky
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had crushed his Buddhist opponents in 1966,
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but he had been forced by the Americans
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and his political rivals to
make at least tentative moves
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toward democracy... election
of a national assembly,
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a new constitution, and
a promise of elections
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for president and vice president.
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But when Ky's old adversary
Nguyen Van Thieu declared
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he wanted to challenge Ky for the top spot,
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things in Saigon had threatened
to come apart again.
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PHAN QUANG TUE: We were watching
the rivalry between Thieu and Ky.
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And that was a game.
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In Vietnam, the country
was watching like a...
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we were watch... watching a movie.
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And Thieu and Ky was watching as to,
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not whoever had the support of the people,
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but who had the support of the
Americans and the White House.
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NARRATOR: Ellsworth Bunker,
the American ambassador,
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called both men to his
residence and warned that
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the United States would not
tolerate another power struggle:
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Thieu and Ky needed to meet
with their fellow generals
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and decide who would run for president
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and who would be his running mate.
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Thieu emerged on top.
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He was unassuming and unflappable,
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interested largely in accumulating power
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and personal wealth and
was thought unlikely
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ever to embarrass Washington.
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Ky would be his vice president.
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Together, they won with
only 35% of the vote.
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No one who had called for an end to the war
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had been allowed to run.
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Many Buddhists had boycotted the election,
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and Viet Cong intimidation had
kept many more from the polls.
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But the State Department
immediately declared
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the election an important "step forward."
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Some South Vietnamese did
believe that a measure
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of stability had finally been achieved.
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Others were not so sure.
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TUE: In terms of corruption,
yes, they were corrupt.
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Both Thieu and Ky, they
abused their position.
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We pay a very high price for having leaders
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like a Ky and Thieu.
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And we continue to pay the price.
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("Soul Dressing" by Booker T.
& The M.G.s playing)
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EVA JEFFERSON PATERSON: My father
was in the United States Army.
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And then when the Air Force
came about he switched over
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to the Air Force.
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I grew up out of the country
in desegregated settings.
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I was usually the only little
black girl in the class.
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If you look at my class pictures I look
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like the little chocolate chip
in the vanilla ice cream.
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I was always a good student.
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I remember people saying,
"Oh, you speak so well."
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And the unstated part
is "for a black girl,"
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probably a Negro girl or
colored girl, at that point.
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NARRATOR: Eva Jefferson's father
had served a year on airbases
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in Vietnam and returned home
convinced the United States
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had no business being there.
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But when his daughter entered
Northwestern University
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in the Chicago suburb of
Evanston in September 1967,
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the war was not uppermost
in students' minds.
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PATERSON: The war was not really an issue.
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It's like, "Well, no, the president has
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00:29:15,365 --> 00:29:17,333
"our best interests at heart.
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00:29:17,432 --> 00:29:19,232
"He, of course, would only prosecute a war
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that made sense."
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And I think most of America felt that way.
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("Strange Brew" by Cream playing)
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NARRATOR: At the University of Nebraska,
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Jack Todd also supported the war.
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He had felt so strongly about it
in 1966 that he had signed up
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for Marine officer training.
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I went into the Marine Corps
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thinking this was all I wanted to do.
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I mean my... my goal was to be commander,
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a platoon commander in Vietnam.
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NARRATOR: But as time went
by and the war went on,
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Todd and many of his fellow students
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began to change their minds.
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TODD: All young people go through changes.
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But we were going through
astronomical changes
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at such a rapid rate.
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All the music, the culture,
everything that we listened to,
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everything that we thought was transforming
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and the core of it all was
Vietnam, Vietnam, Vietnam.
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It just kept going in the background.
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First, it was kind of
like a background noise
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and then it got to be the
elephant in the room.
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And then it was the elephant
sitting on your head
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and we... we couldn't escape this.
494
00:30:26,266 --> 00:30:29,599
NARRATOR: Todd attended
officer training school
495
00:30:29,700 --> 00:30:32,400
at Camp Upshur in Quantico, Virginia.
496
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:35,400
But doubts about the war
followed him there, too.
497
00:30:38,465 --> 00:30:40,309
TODD: I guess the emotional
things that were happening
498
00:30:40,333 --> 00:30:42,833
on the ground, the photographs
that we saw, the news images,
499
00:30:42,932 --> 00:30:45,900
and the fact that there was
no discernible progress,
500
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,333
that really started to eat
away at what we thought.
501
00:30:49,432 --> 00:30:52,532
In the summer of '67, I was
at Camp Upshur, you know,
502
00:30:52,633 --> 00:30:55,032
wanting to go kill Vietnamese people.
503
00:30:55,133 --> 00:30:59,500
And in October, I was
completely against the war.
504
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,365
JOHNSON: Westmoreland came
in last night to me...
505
00:31:05,465 --> 00:31:09,500
And he says that he has
concentrated more firepower
506
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:13,165
and bombing in the last week on the DMZ
507
00:31:13,266 --> 00:31:17,099
and they've concentrated more
on us than has ever been
508
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,299
concentrated in any equivalent period
509
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:20,932
in the history of warfare...
510
00:31:21,032 --> 00:31:22,200
EVERETT DIRKSEN: Yeah.
511
00:31:22,299 --> 00:31:23,542
JOHNSON: ...much more
than was ever poured on
512
00:31:23,566 --> 00:31:24,900
Berlin or Tokyo,
513
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,400
and that his only defense
of the DMZ to stop
514
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:32,400
this aggression up there
with the North Vietnamese
515
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:36,165
trying to come in is bombing
their gun positions.
516
00:31:36,266 --> 00:31:37,732
DIRKSEN: Yeah.
517
00:31:37,833 --> 00:31:39,708
JOHNSON: And it would just be
suicide if we stopped the bombing
518
00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:41,965
as these idiots talking about.
519
00:31:42,066 --> 00:31:43,732
When you say stop the bombing
520
00:31:43,833 --> 00:31:46,599
you say, "Kill more American Marines."
521
00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:47,599
That's all it means.
522
00:31:47,700 --> 00:31:48,965
DIRKSEN: Yeah.
523
00:31:49,066 --> 00:31:52,299
JOHNSON: Now if we stop
bombing, without their talking
524
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,165
and without any reciprocity on their part,
525
00:31:55,266 --> 00:31:57,333
it just means we kill more
Americans, that's all
526
00:31:57,432 --> 00:31:58,432
DIRKSEN: Yeah.
527
00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:09,032
NARRATOR: Neither the ongoing
bombing of the North,
528
00:32:09,133 --> 00:32:12,566
nor the concentrated
bombing around the DMZ,
529
00:32:12,665 --> 00:32:14,599
nor the behind-the-scenes offers
530
00:32:14,700 --> 00:32:17,299
made by President Johnson to stop it
531
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,333
had any discernible effect on Le Duan
532
00:32:20,432 --> 00:32:23,800
and the other men who ran North Vietnam.
533
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:26,865
But Le Duan, like Lyndon Johnson,
534
00:32:26,965 --> 00:32:28,932
was in trouble that summer.
535
00:32:29,032 --> 00:32:31,900
The war with the Americans
had produced little more
536
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,932
than a bloody stalemate.
537
00:32:34,032 --> 00:32:37,000
Some Viet Cong commanders in the South
538
00:32:37,099 --> 00:32:41,365
resented Hanoi's insistence
on directing their tactics.
539
00:32:41,465 --> 00:32:45,666
Many North Vietnamese civilians
were weary of the war
540
00:32:45,766 --> 00:32:48,666
and of the bombing that
had disrupted their lives
541
00:32:48,766 --> 00:32:52,300
and destroyed so much of
their infrastructure.
542
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,965
The country's most revered figures,
543
00:32:55,065 --> 00:32:59,565
Ho Chi Minh and Vo Nguyen
Giap, were urging patience,
544
00:32:59,666 --> 00:33:03,733
continuing to wage a war of
attrition, they still believed,
545
00:33:03,833 --> 00:33:06,932
would pay off in the end.
546
00:33:07,032 --> 00:33:10,565
Hanoi's Soviet and Chinese patrons offered
547
00:33:10,666 --> 00:33:13,565
conflicting advice, as well.
548
00:33:13,666 --> 00:33:17,900
To silence his critics
and break the stalemate,
549
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,465
Le Duan began to devise and promote
550
00:33:20,565 --> 00:33:23,932
a new and riskier version
of the plan for victory
551
00:33:24,032 --> 00:33:27,500
he had tried in 1964.
552
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:33,065
He called it the "General
Offensive, General Uprising."
553
00:33:33,166 --> 00:33:36,900
North Vietnamese and Viet
Cong units would launch
554
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,233
scores of coordinated attacks
on South Vietnamese cities
555
00:33:41,333 --> 00:33:44,465
and towns and military bases.
556
00:33:44,565 --> 00:33:46,800
That offensive, Le Duan believed,
557
00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:50,432
would ignite a mass civilian uprising.
558
00:33:50,532 --> 00:33:55,000
These simultaneous blows would
destroy the Saigon regime
559
00:33:55,099 --> 00:33:59,032
and leave Washington with
no choice but to withdraw.
560
00:34:50,132 --> 00:34:51,732
WILLBANKS: We talk about our own hubris.
561
00:34:51,766 --> 00:34:53,900
There's some hubris on their side as well.
562
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,865
And once they had convinced themselves
563
00:34:55,965 --> 00:34:58,699
that this was going to be a great success,
564
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,800
it is what some wags have called
drinking your own bathwater.
565
00:35:03,233 --> 00:35:04,608
They decided it's going to be a victory,
566
00:35:04,632 --> 00:35:06,632
even though there are
people in the South saying,
567
00:35:06,733 --> 00:35:08,166
"Hey, this is not a great idea."
568
00:35:08,266 --> 00:35:12,032
But these people are
charged with subjectivism
569
00:35:12,132 --> 00:35:14,766
and basically are told to
shut up and keep rolling.
570
00:35:14,865 --> 00:35:19,166
NARRATOR: Le Duan neutralized
those who opposed his plan.
571
00:35:19,266 --> 00:35:22,400
Members of General Giap's
staff were arrested.
572
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:25,065
So was Ho Chi Minh's secretary.
573
00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:28,833
HUY DUC:
574
00:35:41,733 --> 00:35:46,432
NARRATOR: Hundreds of less prominent
figures... journalists, students,
575
00:35:46,532 --> 00:35:49,766
even highly decorated
heroes of the French War...
576
00:35:49,865 --> 00:35:52,000
were also rounded up.
577
00:35:52,099 --> 00:35:54,932
Many were locked up in
the old French prison
578
00:35:55,032 --> 00:35:58,733
that the American POWs
also confined there called
579
00:35:58,833 --> 00:36:01,300
the "Hanoi Hilton."
580
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,132
The date eventually chosen
for the attack would be
581
00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:08,800
January 31, 1968,
582
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:12,932
the first day of the Vietnamese
Lunar New Year celebration,
583
00:36:13,032 --> 00:36:15,900
known as Tet.
584
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,965
Hundreds, then thousands, of
North Vietnamese regulars
585
00:36:20,065 --> 00:36:23,166
in civilian clothes began
slipping southward
586
00:36:23,266 --> 00:36:27,900
to join tens of thousands of
Viet Cong already in place.
587
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,032
HO HUU LAN:
588
00:36:52,699 --> 00:36:56,365
HUY DUC:
589
00:37:38,865 --> 00:37:41,132
NARRATOR: In preparation
for the coming offensive,
590
00:37:41,233 --> 00:37:43,932
the North Vietnamese hoped to lure American
591
00:37:44,032 --> 00:37:47,199
and South Vietnamese
forces away from cities
592
00:37:47,300 --> 00:37:49,565
and big military bases.
593
00:37:49,666 --> 00:37:53,099
To do that, they would
mount a series of assaults
594
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:58,733
on remote outposts near
Cambodia, Laos, and the DMZ.
595
00:37:58,833 --> 00:38:03,800
These preliminary attacks became
known as the "Border Battles."
596
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,233
Con Thien would be the first.
597
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:12,699
In September and October,
598
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,800
John Musgrave's and Roger Harris's outfits
599
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:18,365
took turns defending Con Thien
600
00:38:18,465 --> 00:38:22,365
as the North Vietnamese tightened
the noose around them.
601
00:38:22,465 --> 00:38:26,099
The only way in or out was by helicopter.
602
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,733
Con Thien in Vietnamese
means "Hill of Angels."
603
00:38:32,833 --> 00:38:34,800
(explosion)
604
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,365
MUSGRAVE: Time at Con Thien
was time in the barrel.
605
00:38:38,465 --> 00:38:42,599
(multiple explosions)
606
00:38:42,699 --> 00:38:45,733
We were the fish, they had the shotguns,
607
00:38:45,833 --> 00:38:47,900
they stuck in the barrel and blasted away.
608
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,699
And they were gonna hit
something every shot.
609
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,800
Because Con Thien was such a small area,
610
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:55,833
and they pounded it with that artillery
611
00:38:55,932 --> 00:38:57,932
from North Vietnam, they couldn't miss.
612
00:38:59,065 --> 00:39:00,900
HO HUU LAN:
613
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:09,099
I've never been, uh, as afraid.
614
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:11,465
In fact that's why I'm not
afraid of anything now.
615
00:39:11,565 --> 00:39:13,932
I mean...
616
00:39:14,032 --> 00:39:15,365
there's nothing you can do.
617
00:39:15,465 --> 00:39:19,132
You just listen to the sounds
of the rockets coming over.
618
00:39:19,233 --> 00:39:22,766
And you just pray that
they don't land on you.
619
00:39:22,865 --> 00:39:25,500
The big question really
seems to be whether or not
620
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,865
the North Vietnamese intend
to overrun Con Thien.
621
00:39:28,965 --> 00:39:31,800
The Marines have tripled
the number of troops
622
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:33,233
guarding the outpost,
623
00:39:33,333 --> 00:39:34,908
and they've moved up more
battalions to be ready
624
00:39:34,932 --> 00:39:36,500
to reinforce.
625
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,532
MUSGRAVE: I sat in water.
626
00:39:38,632 --> 00:39:40,432
I slept in water.
627
00:39:40,532 --> 00:39:44,199
I ate in water, because
our holes were full.
628
00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:46,465
I mean a flooded foxhole
could drown a wounded man.
629
00:39:46,565 --> 00:39:49,166
HARRIS: Spend your day
filling up sand bags,
630
00:39:49,266 --> 00:39:52,932
trying to create barriers that
you just put another layer on,
631
00:39:53,032 --> 00:39:54,699
put another layer on.
632
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,266
A lot of mud, blood, uh...
633
00:39:59,365 --> 00:40:00,565
and artillery.
634
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:03,053
MUSGRAVE: It's red clay up there.
635
00:40:03,132 --> 00:40:05,766
And it's real sticky and it
could just grab onto you
636
00:40:05,865 --> 00:40:07,666
and pull your boots off.
637
00:40:07,766 --> 00:40:09,132
It's hard to run in that stuff.
638
00:40:09,233 --> 00:40:10,932
And running, when you're at a place
639
00:40:11,032 --> 00:40:12,642
where they're firing
heavy artillery at you,
640
00:40:12,666 --> 00:40:13,865
running's pretty important.
641
00:40:16,632 --> 00:40:18,699
During the siege in the fall of 1967,
642
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,932
we were getting newspaper
articles in the mail
643
00:40:21,032 --> 00:40:24,365
from our families and we
were being called the Alamo.
644
00:40:24,465 --> 00:40:27,333
You know, hey, we knew what the Alamo was.
645
00:40:27,432 --> 00:40:29,500
We knew what happened there.
646
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:33,199
(explosions)
647
00:40:33,300 --> 00:40:35,199
(men shouting)
648
00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:37,400
(explosions continue)
649
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,400
HARRIS: Like almost like every
hour there'd be a barrage.
650
00:40:42,465 --> 00:40:46,132
People get blown to bits,
literally blown to bits.
651
00:40:46,233 --> 00:40:49,932
You find a... a boot
with a leg in it, right.
652
00:40:50,032 --> 00:40:52,432
And so is the leg white or black?
653
00:40:52,532 --> 00:40:54,492
So who... who was the white
Marine that was here?
654
00:40:54,565 --> 00:40:55,632
Who was the black?
655
00:40:55,733 --> 00:40:57,833
So then you try to remember and you tag it
656
00:40:57,932 --> 00:40:59,300
and put that in the green bag.
657
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,065
And that's what goes back, you know,
658
00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:04,432
as Marine Lance Corporal so and so.
659
00:41:04,532 --> 00:41:07,565
And so, but sometimes you're
not even sure because the body
660
00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:09,742
has literally been blown to
bits, and the only thing
661
00:41:09,766 --> 00:41:12,333
that's left is a foot or a piece of an arm.
662
00:41:12,432 --> 00:41:17,000
MUSGRAVE: I carried a wallet calendar
from Clifford Forlow Insurance.
663
00:41:17,099 --> 00:41:19,233
He was my dad's insurance agent.
664
00:41:19,333 --> 00:41:22,865
And I marked off each of
the days religiously.
665
00:41:22,965 --> 00:41:27,532
And then in October, we
went up to Con Thien again.
666
00:41:27,632 --> 00:41:32,500
I just stopped, because I
thought, "This is pointless.
667
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,733
"I'm not getting... I'm not gonna go home.
668
00:41:34,833 --> 00:41:36,233
"I'm not gonna make it home.
669
00:41:36,333 --> 00:41:38,266
What... you know, what's the point?"
670
00:41:38,365 --> 00:41:40,266
So I just quit marking them off.
671
00:41:41,865 --> 00:41:44,142
HARRIS: I had the opportunity
to call my mother, you know.
672
00:41:44,166 --> 00:41:46,733
And I was telling my mother
what was happening over there
673
00:41:46,833 --> 00:41:48,965
and I was telling her how
she shouldn't believe
674
00:41:49,065 --> 00:41:52,865
what she sees in the newspaper
and-and sees on television
675
00:41:52,965 --> 00:41:55,166
because we're losing the war.
676
00:41:55,266 --> 00:41:57,766
And I said, "You'll
probably never see me again
677
00:41:57,865 --> 00:42:01,132
"because we're the most northern
outpost that the Marines have,
678
00:42:01,233 --> 00:42:02,632
"you know.
679
00:42:02,733 --> 00:42:04,941
"We could literally could look
right into North Vietnam.
680
00:42:04,965 --> 00:42:07,432
We could see the sparks
when the guns fired on us."
681
00:42:07,532 --> 00:42:10,800
And I said, "And everybody in
my unit is dying, you know.
682
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:12,766
And I probably won't be coming back."
683
00:42:12,865 --> 00:42:14,965
And my mother said, "No,
you're coming back."
684
00:42:15,065 --> 00:42:17,900
She said, "I talk to God every
day and you're special.
685
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,233
You're coming back."
686
00:42:20,333 --> 00:42:22,699
And I said, "Ma, everybody's
mother thinks that
687
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,400
"they're special, you know.
688
00:42:24,500 --> 00:42:26,465
I'm putting pieces of
special people in bags."
689
00:42:28,565 --> 00:42:30,365
And I was feeling that
my mother's in denial.
690
00:42:30,465 --> 00:42:32,733
She just doesn't want to face
the fact that her only son
691
00:42:32,833 --> 00:42:34,766
is gonna die in Vietnam.
692
00:42:34,865 --> 00:42:36,365
And I said, "Ma, this isn't a joke."
693
00:42:36,465 --> 00:42:38,142
I said, "Everybody's dying
over here, you know.
694
00:42:38,166 --> 00:42:39,233
Everybody's dying."
695
00:42:39,333 --> 00:42:40,865
And she said, "You're not gonna die.
696
00:42:40,965 --> 00:42:42,365
You're not gonna die."
697
00:42:42,465 --> 00:42:44,699
And, uh, the last thing she said to me was,
698
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,865
"God has a plan for you."
699
00:42:46,965 --> 00:42:48,099
And I said, "Yeah, right."
700
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:49,199
And I hung up.
701
00:42:50,132 --> 00:42:51,800
(explosion)
702
00:42:54,065 --> 00:42:56,800
Mr. Stout, during what period
of time were you in Vietnam?
703
00:42:56,900 --> 00:43:00,065
I was in Vietnam from September of 1966
704
00:43:00,166 --> 00:43:02,365
to September of 1967, one year.
705
00:43:02,465 --> 00:43:03,833
And with what unit?
706
00:43:03,932 --> 00:43:05,699
With the 1st Brigade of the 101st Airborne.
707
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,166
During the time that you were in Vietnam,
708
00:43:08,266 --> 00:43:10,300
did you personally witness any atrocities
709
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,333
on the part of American troops?
710
00:43:12,432 --> 00:43:13,432
Yes, I did.
711
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,400
NARRATOR: Dennis Stout from
Phoenix, Arizona, had enlisted
712
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:23,300
in the Army at 20, and served
nine months in combat.
713
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,900
Wounded three times, he
became an Army reporter
714
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,766
covering the 327th Regiment
of the 101st Airborne.
715
00:43:32,865 --> 00:43:37,199
He would spend most of his time
with a unique commando platoon
716
00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:38,699
called "Tiger Force"...
717
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,032
small, handpicked teams,
capable of remaining
718
00:43:42,132 --> 00:43:44,865
in the jungle for weeks at a time,
719
00:43:44,965 --> 00:43:47,599
fast-moving and deadly,
720
00:43:47,699 --> 00:43:51,465
intended to "out-guerrilla the guerrillas."
721
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,500
Tiger Force fought in six
different provinces,
722
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,699
repeatedly suffering heavy losses.
723
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,132
(rapid gunfire)
724
00:44:01,932 --> 00:44:05,199
RION CAUSEY: If you've lost your
best friend and you want revenge,
725
00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:08,532
it's the officers who say,
"No, you can't do that."
726
00:44:08,632 --> 00:44:11,733
And if you do it, then
there's consequences.
727
00:44:11,833 --> 00:44:14,565
But when the officers, and it
includes the platoon leader
728
00:44:14,666 --> 00:44:17,599
and the battalion commander,
are telling you that this is
729
00:44:17,699 --> 00:44:22,333
what you're supposed to do, then
it gets completely out of hand.
730
00:44:22,432 --> 00:44:26,432
NARRATOR: Some at MACV worried
that such a freewheeling outfit,
731
00:44:26,532 --> 00:44:30,300
operating on its own, would
be difficult to control.
732
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,000
(gunfire)
733
00:44:32,099 --> 00:44:35,632
But General Westmoreland and
commanders in the field
734
00:44:35,733 --> 00:44:40,266
admired Tiger Force for
its reliable ferocity.
735
00:44:40,365 --> 00:44:44,400
In the summer of 1967, Tiger Force was sent
736
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:47,000
to the fertile Song Ve Valley.
737
00:44:47,099 --> 00:44:50,032
The entire population
had already been herded
738
00:44:50,132 --> 00:44:54,699
from their homes and crowded
into a refugee camp.
739
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:58,032
But some had come back
to resume the farming
740
00:44:58,132 --> 00:45:00,400
they had always done.
741
00:45:01,900 --> 00:45:05,065
The valley had officially been
declared a free-fire zone,
742
00:45:05,166 --> 00:45:09,266
and Tiger Force's officers
took that literally.
743
00:45:09,365 --> 00:45:13,233
"There are no friendlies,"
one lieutenant told his men.
744
00:45:13,333 --> 00:45:16,166
"Shoot anything that moves."
745
00:45:19,666 --> 00:45:22,632
Over a seven-month period,
they killed scores
746
00:45:22,733 --> 00:45:25,233
of unarmed civilians.
747
00:45:25,333 --> 00:45:28,833
Among their victims were
two blind brothers;
748
00:45:28,932 --> 00:45:33,432
an elderly Buddhist monk;
women, children, and old people
749
00:45:33,532 --> 00:45:35,699
hiding in underground shelters;
750
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,065
and three farmers trying to plant rice.
751
00:45:39,166 --> 00:45:43,565
All were reported as
"enemy... killed in action."
752
00:45:46,432 --> 00:45:50,365
STOUT: These atrocities
were committed by soldiers
753
00:45:50,465 --> 00:45:52,699
of units I was assigned to as a reporter
754
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,632
for the Army newspapers, such as...
755
00:45:54,733 --> 00:45:58,199
NARRATOR: Tiger Force was
not the only platoon
756
00:45:58,300 --> 00:46:01,865
Dennis Stout covered that crossed the line.
757
00:46:01,965 --> 00:46:05,032
One such incident was the rape and killing
758
00:46:05,132 --> 00:46:06,932
of a Vietnamese girl.
759
00:46:07,032 --> 00:46:11,833
She was captured, kept for interrogation.
760
00:46:11,932 --> 00:46:14,800
Over a two-day period, she was raped, then,
761
00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:16,709
on the morning of the third
day, she was killed.
762
00:46:16,733 --> 00:46:20,132
Was she raped by more than one person?
763
00:46:20,233 --> 00:46:23,800
Yes, all but the medic and myself,
764
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:25,660
and possibly one other
man from the platoon.
765
00:46:25,733 --> 00:46:26,733
Did you protest?
766
00:46:26,833 --> 00:46:28,900
Did you try in any way
to have them stopped?
767
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,266
Yes. After the rape incident, I complained
768
00:46:32,365 --> 00:46:36,766
to the battalion sergeant major,
and his response was that
769
00:46:36,865 --> 00:46:39,132
this type of thing happens in all wars,
770
00:46:39,233 --> 00:46:42,532
and that I was not to mention
it; it was a common occurrence.
771
00:46:42,632 --> 00:46:46,932
Then later, I went to the
chaplain, told him about it,
772
00:46:47,032 --> 00:46:49,266
he made an investigation himself,
773
00:46:49,365 --> 00:46:51,632
found that this was true, went with me
774
00:46:51,733 --> 00:46:53,166
to the sergeant major.
775
00:46:53,266 --> 00:46:57,333
The sergeant major then said that...
776
00:46:57,432 --> 00:46:59,352
well, he told the chaplain
to stick to religion,
777
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,932
sent him away, and then
he told me to keep quiet,
778
00:47:03,032 --> 00:47:06,699
that I did nothave t o return
from the next operation.
779
00:47:08,233 --> 00:47:11,300
NARRATOR: Years later,
another soldier came forward
780
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,099
with more allegations of war crimes,
781
00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,666
and an Army investigation
would find probable cause
782
00:47:17,766 --> 00:47:22,666
to try 18 members of Tiger
Force for murder or assault.
783
00:47:23,766 --> 00:47:26,266
But no charges were ever brought.
784
00:47:26,365 --> 00:47:29,500
The official records were
buried in the archives.
785
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,300
WILLBANKS: They should
have all gone to jail.
786
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:34,865
They were guilty of murder.
787
00:47:34,965 --> 00:47:36,333
Period.
788
00:47:36,432 --> 00:47:39,865
At the same time, I felt
like that incident,
789
00:47:39,965 --> 00:47:43,132
which I think was an
aberration, not the norm,
790
00:47:43,233 --> 00:47:45,833
tarred all veterans, and there
are hundreds of thousands
791
00:47:45,932 --> 00:47:47,699
of veterans who went and did their duty,
792
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,233
and as honorable as they possibly could,
793
00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:52,099
and they're tarred with the same brush.
794
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:57,465
KARL MARLANTES: One of the things
that I learned in the war is that
795
00:47:57,565 --> 00:48:02,199
we're not the top species on
the planet because we're nice.
796
00:48:02,300 --> 00:48:05,465
We are a very aggressive species.
797
00:48:05,565 --> 00:48:07,233
It is in us.
798
00:48:07,333 --> 00:48:10,666
And people talk a lot about
how, "Well, the military turns
799
00:48:10,766 --> 00:48:13,733
kids into killing machines" and stuff.
800
00:48:15,333 --> 00:48:18,065
And I'll always argue that
it's just finishing school.
801
00:48:18,166 --> 00:48:22,800
What we do with civilization
is that we learn to inhibit
802
00:48:22,900 --> 00:48:26,233
and rope in these aggressive tendencies.
803
00:48:26,333 --> 00:48:28,666
And we have to recognize them.
804
00:48:28,766 --> 00:48:32,565
I worry about a whole country
that doesn't recognize it.
805
00:48:32,666 --> 00:48:34,608
'Cause you think of how
many times we get ourselves
806
00:48:34,632 --> 00:48:37,965
in scrapes as a nation because
we're always the good guys.
807
00:48:38,065 --> 00:48:40,932
Sometimes, I think if we
thought that we weren't always
808
00:48:41,032 --> 00:48:43,365
the good guys, we might
actually get in less wars.
809
00:48:46,699 --> 00:48:47,699
(static humming)
810
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,065
REPORTER: Mr. Rubin,
811
00:48:49,166 --> 00:48:51,900
how do you realistically expect
to shut down the Pentagon?
812
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,099
The Pentagon represents
the murder of people
813
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:56,465
throughout the world.
814
00:48:56,565 --> 00:48:58,699
And the American people have no control
815
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,199
of what their government's doing.
816
00:49:00,300 --> 00:49:03,766
And so we're going to go there
in the scores of thousands,
817
00:49:03,865 --> 00:49:06,932
and block doors and fill hallways,
818
00:49:07,032 --> 00:49:09,065
so the work of the Pentagon stops.
819
00:49:09,166 --> 00:49:11,300
Because the work of the
Pentagon should stop.
820
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,675
The only thing to do with the
Pentagon is to shut it down.
821
00:49:13,699 --> 00:49:16,300
("Waist Deep in the Big Muddy"
by Pete Seeger playing)
822
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,065
♪ It was back in 1942
823
00:49:19,166 --> 00:49:21,432
♪ I was a member of a good platoon ♪
824
00:49:21,532 --> 00:49:24,766
♪ We were on maneuvers in Louisiana ♪
825
00:49:24,865 --> 00:49:26,766
♪ One night by the light of the moon ♪
826
00:49:26,865 --> 00:49:30,432
♪ The captain told us to ford a river ♪
827
00:49:30,532 --> 00:49:33,132
♪ That's how it all begun
828
00:49:33,233 --> 00:49:35,666
♪ We were knee deep in the Big Muddy ♪
829
00:49:35,766 --> 00:49:38,532
♪ The big fool says to push on
830
00:49:38,632 --> 00:49:42,300
BILL ZIMMERMAN: There was a major
demonstration either in New York
831
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:46,965
or in Washington every
fall and every spring.
832
00:49:47,065 --> 00:49:50,099
We decided that we would
go to the demonstration
833
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:53,766
in Washington at the Lincoln
Memorial in the fall of '67,
834
00:49:53,865 --> 00:49:56,465
but we would take as many people
out of that demonstration
835
00:49:56,565 --> 00:50:00,365
as we could and lead them to the Pentagon.
836
00:50:00,465 --> 00:50:04,932
And at the Pentagon, try to
do something more militant
837
00:50:05,032 --> 00:50:08,666
than simply stand around and
make speeches opposing the war,
838
00:50:08,766 --> 00:50:11,733
which is what these
demonstrations had become.
839
00:50:11,833 --> 00:50:13,309
SEEGER: ♪ No man will be able to swim.
840
00:50:13,333 --> 00:50:16,632
ZIMMERMAN: And when the time
came to lead people away
841
00:50:16,733 --> 00:50:18,900
from the Lincoln Memorial
toward the Pentagon,
842
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,565
50,000 people marched.
843
00:50:21,666 --> 00:50:23,965
SEEGER: ♪ Men, follow me, I'll lead on
844
00:50:24,065 --> 00:50:27,000
♪ We were neck deep in the Big Muddy ♪
845
00:50:27,099 --> 00:50:30,099
♪ The big fool says to push on. ♪
846
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:34,000
NARRATOR: Bill Zimmerman, now an
assistant professor of psychology
847
00:50:34,099 --> 00:50:36,733
at Brooklyn College, had
been against the war
848
00:50:36,833 --> 00:50:38,666
since the beginning.
849
00:50:38,766 --> 00:50:43,199
ZIMMERMAN: Then we found when we got
there concentric defense perimeters
850
00:50:43,300 --> 00:50:46,400
that had been set up around
the Pentagon to keep us
851
00:50:46,500 --> 00:50:48,099
at a distance from the building.
852
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:52,599
We pushed against them, we
tore down their fences.
853
00:50:52,699 --> 00:50:54,565
SEEGER: ♪ With the
captain dead and gone ♪
854
00:50:54,666 --> 00:50:56,341
♪ We stripped and dived
and found his body. ♪
855
00:50:56,365 --> 00:50:59,166
LESLIE GELB: I was working
that weekend day.
856
00:50:59,266 --> 00:51:03,532
The secretaries who were working
in my area were frightened
857
00:51:03,632 --> 00:51:08,166
to hell what these Vietnam
protesters would do.
858
00:51:08,266 --> 00:51:09,675
They thought they were going
to come into the building
859
00:51:09,699 --> 00:51:10,833
and rape them.
860
00:51:10,932 --> 00:51:13,300
Some of them actually came over the walls.
861
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,333
SEEGER: ♪ The big fool
said to push on. ♪
862
00:51:15,432 --> 00:51:18,833
GELB: It was a sense of revolution.
863
00:51:18,932 --> 00:51:19,932
(crowd yelling)
864
00:51:20,032 --> 00:51:21,865
SEEGER: ♪ Waist deep in the Big Muddy
865
00:51:21,965 --> 00:51:23,833
♪ The big fool says to push on
866
00:51:23,932 --> 00:51:26,766
♪ Waist deep in the Big Muddy
867
00:51:26,865 --> 00:51:28,900
♪ The big fool says to push on. ♪
868
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,233
ZIMMERMAN: God knows what we were going
to do when we got in the building.
869
00:51:33,333 --> 00:51:35,266
Some people, the hippies,
870
00:51:35,365 --> 00:51:37,205
said they were going to
levitate the building.
871
00:51:37,300 --> 00:51:40,666
Other people wanted to commit
vandalism in the building.
872
00:51:40,766 --> 00:51:43,132
Other people wanted to
distribute antiwar literature
873
00:51:43,233 --> 00:51:45,500
in the building, talk to people.
874
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:49,000
Just the idea of getting
into the headquarters
875
00:51:49,099 --> 00:51:51,166
of the United States military...
876
00:51:52,965 --> 00:51:56,266
It was the first time that
antiwar demonstrators
877
00:51:56,365 --> 00:52:00,766
had confronted active-duty
military personnel.
878
00:52:00,865 --> 00:52:03,465
We didn't consider them the enemy.
879
00:52:03,565 --> 00:52:07,032
We considered them victims of the war.
880
00:52:07,132 --> 00:52:12,233
But we began to see our own
government as the enemy.
881
00:52:12,333 --> 00:52:16,599
NARRATOR: President Johnson believed
that international communism
882
00:52:16,699 --> 00:52:19,199
was somehow behind the demonstration.
883
00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:22,666
He had directed the CIA to
come up with the evidence,
884
00:52:22,766 --> 00:52:26,532
and was furious when it found none.
885
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,699
DWIGHT EISENHOWER: Mr. President?
886
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:30,666
LYNDON JOHNSON: Yes.
887
00:52:30,766 --> 00:52:31,666
This is General Eisenhower.
888
00:52:31,766 --> 00:52:32,976
How've you been, Mr. President?
889
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,932
I'm doing fine under the circumstances.
890
00:52:36,032 --> 00:52:38,666
But we just had hell, and
these college students,
891
00:52:38,766 --> 00:52:40,632
I've had Hoover in after them.
892
00:52:40,733 --> 00:52:44,166
They came marched here, and
we arrested 600 of them,
893
00:52:44,266 --> 00:52:47,365
and we gave 29 of them pretty tough times.
894
00:52:47,465 --> 00:52:50,800
We found most of them really
were mentally diseased.
895
00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:54,965
Hoover's taken 256 that turned
in supposedly their draft cards.
896
00:52:55,065 --> 00:52:57,432
So, you're dealing with mental problems,
897
00:52:57,532 --> 00:52:59,666
I think that we talk too damn much
898
00:52:59,766 --> 00:53:01,965
about civil liberties and
constitutional rights
899
00:53:02,065 --> 00:53:03,532
of the individual and not enough
900
00:53:03,632 --> 00:53:05,065
about the rights of the masses.
901
00:53:05,166 --> 00:53:06,508
EISENHOWER: That's why we have it.
902
00:53:06,532 --> 00:53:08,500
We have freely elected
people and we've got to
903
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:10,000
stand behind them.
904
00:53:10,099 --> 00:53:12,565
JOHNSON: I think your
government's in trouble, General.
905
00:53:12,666 --> 00:53:14,532
I think it's in... I
don't want to say this.
906
00:53:14,632 --> 00:53:16,333
But I think we're in more danger
907
00:53:16,432 --> 00:53:18,333
from these left-wing influences now
908
00:53:18,432 --> 00:53:21,300
than we've ever been in
37 years I've been here.
909
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,432
And they're working in
my party from within.
910
00:53:24,532 --> 00:53:27,099
And Bobby thinks he's going
to get the nomination.
911
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:31,432
NARRATOR: Allard Lowenstein, a
38-year-old attorney from New York,
912
00:53:31,532 --> 00:53:34,565
shared the antiwar fervor
of the protestors,
913
00:53:34,666 --> 00:53:36,465
but he believed the most effective way
914
00:53:36,565 --> 00:53:40,266
to end the fighting was to work
within the political system,
915
00:53:40,365 --> 00:53:42,166
not outside it.
916
00:53:42,266 --> 00:53:45,000
The answer, he said, was
to stop Lyndon Johnson
917
00:53:45,099 --> 00:53:48,666
from getting a second
full term as president.
918
00:53:48,766 --> 00:53:52,932
He had traveled the country
all year in search of someone
919
00:53:53,032 --> 00:53:55,666
willing to challenge the
president in the upcoming
920
00:53:55,766 --> 00:53:57,699
Democratic primaries.
921
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,000
He asked Senator Robert
Kennedy of New York,
922
00:54:01,099 --> 00:54:04,099
who had begun to criticize
the Johnson administration
923
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:05,599
over the war.
924
00:54:05,699 --> 00:54:09,000
He asked Lieutenant General James Gavin.
925
00:54:09,099 --> 00:54:13,065
He asked Senator George
McGovern of South Dakota.
926
00:54:13,166 --> 00:54:15,300
They all turned him down.
927
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,032
Lowenstein kept looking.
928
00:54:24,032 --> 00:54:29,132
At Fort Sill, Oklahoma,
on November 17, 1967,
929
00:54:29,233 --> 00:54:32,465
friends and family of a
fallen soldier gathered
930
00:54:32,565 --> 00:54:36,032
for a funeral, one of
five military funerals
931
00:54:36,132 --> 00:54:38,532
held there that month.
932
00:54:38,632 --> 00:54:43,365
First Sergeant Pascal Cleatus
Poolaw had been killed
933
00:54:43,465 --> 00:54:45,965
as he tried to drag one of his wounded men
934
00:54:46,065 --> 00:54:50,833
off the battlefield near
the village of Loc Ninh.
935
00:54:50,932 --> 00:54:56,065
He was a remarkable soldier, had
been awarded one Silver Star
936
00:54:56,166 --> 00:55:01,632
in World War II, two more in
Korea, and was awarded a fourth,
937
00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:05,965
posthumously, for his gallantry in Vietnam.
938
00:55:06,065 --> 00:55:09,132
He was a Kiowa Indian.
939
00:55:09,233 --> 00:55:12,099
He and three of his sons were among
940
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:17,199
the 42,000 Native Americans
who would serve in Vietnam,
941
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:21,000
the highest per capita service
rate of any ethnic group
942
00:55:21,099 --> 00:55:23,266
in the United States.
943
00:55:23,365 --> 00:55:28,300
Pascal Poolaw's widow
spoke at the ceremony.
944
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,032
"He has followed the trail of
the great chiefs," she said.
945
00:55:32,132 --> 00:55:37,333
"His people hold him in
honor and highest esteem.
946
00:55:37,432 --> 00:55:41,632
"He has given his life for
the people and the country
947
00:55:41,733 --> 00:55:45,900
he loved so much."
948
00:55:49,266 --> 00:55:50,608
("Somebody to Love" by
Jefferson Airplane playing)
949
00:55:50,632 --> 00:55:51,932
♪ When the truth is found
950
00:55:52,032 --> 00:55:56,065
♪ To be lies
951
00:55:56,166 --> 00:55:59,000
♪ And all the joy
952
00:55:59,099 --> 00:56:03,432
♪ Within you dies
953
00:56:03,532 --> 00:56:05,900
♪ Don't you want somebody to love? ♪
954
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,500
♪ Don't you need somebody to love? ♪
955
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:13,266
♪ Wouldn't you love somebody to love? ♪
956
00:56:13,365 --> 00:56:17,733
♪ You better find somebody to love ♪
957
00:56:17,833 --> 00:56:19,666
♪ Love.
958
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,333
MUSGRAVE: I didn't hear the word
"hippie" until I was at Con Thien
959
00:56:27,432 --> 00:56:28,841
and we got aPlaybo y, somebody
got aPlayboy in the mail,
960
00:56:28,865 --> 00:56:31,766
which was obviously very important to us.
961
00:56:31,865 --> 00:56:33,965
And there was an article on Haight-Ashbury
962
00:56:34,065 --> 00:56:35,665
and pictures of the girls running around
963
00:56:35,733 --> 00:56:37,365
without their tops, you know, free love.
964
00:56:37,465 --> 00:56:38,865
And they were hippies.
965
00:56:38,965 --> 00:56:41,465
And we thought it was "hip
pie" cause it had two Ps.
966
00:56:41,565 --> 00:56:43,333
You know, "Hey, I'm gonna go home
967
00:56:43,432 --> 00:56:44,766
"and be one of these hip pies
968
00:56:44,865 --> 00:56:46,441
"because the girls don't wear no clothes.
969
00:56:46,465 --> 00:56:48,865
You know, and they'll go
to bed with anybody."
970
00:56:48,965 --> 00:56:50,233
You know, even I could score.
971
00:56:50,333 --> 00:56:54,266
But the only information I
had of the peace movement
972
00:56:54,365 --> 00:56:56,000
came fromStars and Stripes.
973
00:56:56,099 --> 00:56:59,632
And that wasn't a real objective newspaper.
974
00:56:59,733 --> 00:57:02,065
And so I hated them
975
00:57:02,166 --> 00:57:04,065
before I ever even knew
anything about them.
976
00:57:04,166 --> 00:57:06,733
("Somebody to Love" continues)
977
00:57:10,365 --> 00:57:14,465
NARRATOR: The monsoon rains
continued to make life miserable
978
00:57:14,565 --> 00:57:17,965
for John Musgrave and the
other Marines at Con Thien.
979
00:57:18,065 --> 00:57:22,065
But by early November, the worst
of the shelling had ended.
980
00:57:22,166 --> 00:57:25,666
American airstrikes,
artillery, and Navy fire
981
00:57:25,766 --> 00:57:29,065
had taken a fearful toll
on the besieging enemy.
982
00:57:30,865 --> 00:57:36,333
Before dawn on November 7, two
companies of Musgrave's outfit
983
00:57:36,432 --> 00:57:39,166
were sent half a mile into the countryside
984
00:57:39,266 --> 00:57:42,565
northwest of the base to
sweep the area again.
985
00:57:44,432 --> 00:57:48,065
MUSGRAVE: We got into an
area that was old hedgerows
986
00:57:48,166 --> 00:57:50,266
that's grown over with jungle.
987
00:57:50,365 --> 00:57:52,733
Very difficult to see very far.
988
00:57:52,833 --> 00:57:55,900
In the clear area, we had
three NVA show themselves
989
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,500
and start just spraying 30
rounds out of their AKs
990
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:00,599
and then booking.
991
00:58:00,699 --> 00:58:01,900
(gunfire)
992
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,865
The company commander himself
said, "I want their bodies.
993
00:58:05,965 --> 00:58:07,400
Bring me their bodies."
994
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,766
Everything's about body count, right?
995
00:58:10,865 --> 00:58:13,865
We said, "Man, this is as old as Custer.
996
00:58:13,965 --> 00:58:16,365
"These guys are showing
themselves to draw us
997
00:58:16,465 --> 00:58:17,599
"into an ambush.
998
00:58:17,699 --> 00:58:20,233
"Lieutenant, don't do this," you know.
999
00:58:20,333 --> 00:58:23,932
"Please, these guys are bait."
1000
00:58:24,032 --> 00:58:26,233
Well, the skipper says, "We got to go.
1001
00:58:26,333 --> 00:58:28,365
We got to go."
1002
00:58:28,465 --> 00:58:31,766
And... we went.
1003
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:34,599
(gunfire)
1004
00:58:34,699 --> 00:58:37,065
And I can't tell you a whole
lot about the ambush.
1005
00:58:37,166 --> 00:58:39,199
I was one of the first people to be shot.
1006
00:58:39,300 --> 00:58:41,099
One round put me down.
1007
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:42,733
(gunfire)
1008
00:58:42,833 --> 00:58:46,300
And my grenadier was down, and
we were trying to get him back.
1009
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,500
And Marines, from the
first day in boot camp,
1010
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:53,099
you learn that Marines
don't leave their dead,
1011
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:56,733
and they never, never leave their wounded.
1012
00:58:58,166 --> 00:59:00,865
And that's why I'm alive today.
1013
00:59:00,965 --> 00:59:05,233
First guy that came for me...
I was lying on my face...
1014
00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:06,733
(gunfire)
1015
00:59:06,833 --> 00:59:09,266
he reached down and stuck
his arms under my shoulders
1016
00:59:09,365 --> 00:59:13,733
and lifted me up and the
machine gun wasn't any far,
1017
00:59:13,833 --> 00:59:19,432
was maybe nine feet, ten feet
at the most, away from me.
1018
00:59:19,532 --> 00:59:21,065
This is a very intimate ambush.
1019
00:59:21,166 --> 00:59:22,166
It's a brawl.
1020
00:59:22,266 --> 00:59:23,666
(gunfire)
1021
00:59:23,766 --> 00:59:27,833
And he fired a burst into
my chest that blew me out
1022
00:59:27,932 --> 00:59:31,465
of the Marine's arms that was
holding me and then he was shot.
1023
00:59:31,565 --> 00:59:34,032
(gunfire)
1024
00:59:34,132 --> 00:59:40,365
Another very brave young Marine,
this 18-year-old from Louisiana,
1025
00:59:40,465 --> 00:59:43,500
his first firefight, had seen what happened
1026
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,766
and still came for me.
1027
00:59:46,865 --> 00:59:51,532
And he reached for me, and he was
shot I think in the forearm.
1028
00:59:51,632 --> 00:59:54,432
And he was laying beside me.
1029
00:59:54,532 --> 00:59:56,376
Now, I've got a hole through
my chest big enough
1030
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,965
to stick your fist through.
1031
00:59:58,932 --> 01:00:00,132
I'm dying and I know it.
1032
01:00:00,233 --> 01:00:01,365
(gunfire)
1033
01:00:01,465 --> 01:00:04,065
And I heard this horrible
screaming going on,
1034
01:00:04,166 --> 01:00:07,833
and I was trying to figure out
who was screaming like that,
1035
01:00:07,932 --> 01:00:09,199
because it sounded so...
1036
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:12,266
(distant gunfire)
1037
01:00:16,166 --> 01:00:17,833
And then I realized it was me.
1038
01:00:20,565 --> 01:00:23,000
When they began to drag us
out, they were being pursued
1039
01:00:23,099 --> 01:00:26,900
by the North Vietnamese,
and they would drop us
1040
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:28,666
and lay on top of us.
1041
01:00:28,766 --> 01:00:30,099
They knew... we were both dying.
1042
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:33,532
The grenadier had been shot in
the right side of his chest.
1043
01:00:33,632 --> 01:00:35,733
They knew... we were both dead.
1044
01:00:35,833 --> 01:00:38,500
But we were still alive.
1045
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:40,132
So, they weren't gonna leave us.
1046
01:00:40,233 --> 01:00:42,333
They would die before they would leave us.
1047
01:00:42,432 --> 01:00:44,476
And they covered us with
their bodies and fired back
1048
01:00:44,500 --> 01:00:47,733
at the NVA and then they'd jump
up and drag us a little farther
1049
01:00:47,833 --> 01:00:50,166
and then drop us and lay back on top of us.
1050
01:00:50,266 --> 01:00:53,132
And I kept telling them to leave me.
1051
01:00:53,233 --> 01:00:54,865
And I meant it. I meant it.
1052
01:00:54,965 --> 01:00:59,099
But all of a sudden I got scared
that they might really leave me.
1053
01:01:00,465 --> 01:01:01,465
(distant gunfire)
1054
01:01:01,565 --> 01:01:04,032
I was triaged three times.
1055
01:01:04,132 --> 01:01:06,965
And the senior corpsman said,
1056
01:01:07,065 --> 01:01:08,776
"He's either shot through
the heart or the lungs.
1057
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,008
There's nothing I can do for him."
1058
01:01:10,032 --> 01:01:11,699
And he just turned away.
1059
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,900
I went, "Well, okay."
1060
01:01:14,865 --> 01:01:18,532
And then, a helicopter came in.
1061
01:01:18,632 --> 01:01:20,199
And they threw me into the bird.
1062
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:22,599
(distant helicopter blades humming)
1063
01:01:22,699 --> 01:01:25,932
And the corpsman on the bird
straddled me, stood over me,
1064
01:01:26,032 --> 01:01:29,032
and looked down at me, and then
looked up at the door gunner
1065
01:01:29,132 --> 01:01:32,932
and went... get me out of the way
1066
01:01:33,032 --> 01:01:34,108
because he couldn't work on me.
1067
01:01:34,132 --> 01:01:35,666
I was a dead man.
1068
01:01:35,766 --> 01:01:37,632
(muted helicopter blades beating)
1069
01:01:37,733 --> 01:01:39,632
And they flew me to Delta Med at Dong Ha.
1070
01:01:39,733 --> 01:01:43,766
And I thought, "Okay, I made it this far."
1071
01:01:43,865 --> 01:01:45,545
And this doctor comes over and looks at me
1072
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,166
and I'm conscious.
1073
01:01:47,266 --> 01:01:49,500
I'm lucid.
1074
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:51,000
And he checks a couple of things.
1075
01:01:51,099 --> 01:01:52,376
And I've got this huge hole in me.
1076
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,941
And he looks at me right
in the eye, and he says,
1077
01:01:53,965 --> 01:01:55,733
"What's your religion, Marine?"
1078
01:01:55,833 --> 01:01:57,900
And I said, "Well, I'm a Protestant."
1079
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,142
And he says, "Get a chaplain over here.
1080
01:01:59,166 --> 01:02:00,766
I can't help this man."
1081
01:02:00,865 --> 01:02:01,865
And then he walked away.
1082
01:02:03,233 --> 01:02:08,500
Another surgeon walks by,
and he looked at me,
1083
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:12,699
and I was raised to
always be nice to people.
1084
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,599
And when he looked at me, I
smiled at him and nodded.
1085
01:02:16,699 --> 01:02:20,865
And he said, "Why isn't
somebody helping this man?"
1086
01:02:20,965 --> 01:02:22,266
And inside I'm going,
1087
01:02:22,365 --> 01:02:24,125
"Yeah, why isn't somebody
helping this man?"
1088
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:28,132
When they put me to sleep, I thought,
1089
01:02:28,233 --> 01:02:31,266
"Boy, this is really it," you know.
1090
01:02:31,365 --> 01:02:33,965
And it was kind of, "Okay, God,
1091
01:02:34,065 --> 01:02:36,666
into your hands, I deliver my spirit."
1092
01:02:37,865 --> 01:02:39,733
And I thought that was it.
1093
01:02:41,733 --> 01:02:43,933
And when I woke up in the
surgical intensive care ward,
1094
01:02:44,032 --> 01:02:46,432
which was a Quonset hut,
1095
01:02:46,532 --> 01:02:49,065
I thought, "Holy mackerel."
1096
01:02:49,166 --> 01:02:53,199
I just couldn't... I couldn't believe it.
1097
01:02:56,900 --> 01:02:58,400
Yesterday over Hanoi,
1098
01:02:58,500 --> 01:03:00,266
three American planes were shot down
1099
01:03:00,365 --> 01:03:03,000
and at least two of their pilots captured.
1100
01:03:03,099 --> 01:03:06,632
One of them was Lieutenant
Commander John McCain III,
1101
01:03:06,733 --> 01:03:09,900
the son of the U.S. Naval
commander in Europe.
1102
01:03:11,233 --> 01:03:13,666
BAO NINH:
1103
01:03:47,432 --> 01:03:51,000
NARRATOR: Hanoi was so pleased
to have captured the son
1104
01:03:51,099 --> 01:03:54,500
of an American admiral that they
allowed a French journalist
1105
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:57,132
to interview McCain in the hospital.
1106
01:03:57,233 --> 01:04:01,532
He had just had his broken bones
set without even an aspirin
1107
01:04:01,632 --> 01:04:03,065
for the pain.
1108
01:04:03,166 --> 01:04:04,406
INTERVIEWER: What is your name?
1109
01:04:04,465 --> 01:04:07,532
Lieutenant Commander John McCain.
1110
01:04:07,632 --> 01:04:10,699
How many raids have you
done until the last one?
1111
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,565
About 23.
1112
01:04:12,666 --> 01:04:17,365
In which circumstances
have you been shot down?
1113
01:04:17,465 --> 01:04:22,233
I was on a flight over the city of Hanoi,
1114
01:04:22,333 --> 01:04:29,432
and I was bombing and I was
hit by either a missile
1115
01:04:29,532 --> 01:04:31,233
or anti-aircraft fire.
1116
01:04:31,333 --> 01:04:38,333
I'm not sure which, and the
plane continued straight down,
1117
01:04:38,432 --> 01:04:46,432
and I ejected and broke
my leg and both arms
1118
01:04:47,099 --> 01:04:53,865
and went into a lake;
parachuted into a lake.
1119
01:04:53,965 --> 01:04:58,833
And I was picked up by
some North Vietnamese
1120
01:04:58,932 --> 01:05:05,000
and taken to the hospital,
where I almost died.
1121
01:05:05,099 --> 01:05:07,365
I would just like to tell...
1122
01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:14,166
...my wife...
1123
01:05:14,965 --> 01:05:17,532
...I will get well...
1124
01:05:20,065 --> 01:05:26,800
...and I love her and I
hope to see her soon.
1125
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:30,900
NARRATOR: After the
interview, McCain was beaten
1126
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,065
for not expressing sufficient
gratitude to his captors.
1127
01:05:41,099 --> 01:05:42,766
(soldiers conversing)
1128
01:05:42,865 --> 01:05:47,300
NARRATOR: All through the fall
of 1967, the North Vietnamese
1129
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,132
and the Viet Cong continued their
series of "Border Battles"
1130
01:05:51,233 --> 01:05:53,766
in preparation for their
surprise offensive,
1131
01:05:53,865 --> 01:05:55,800
still months away.
1132
01:05:55,900 --> 01:05:59,699
Con Thien, where John Musgrave was wounded,
1133
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,266
had been the first.
1134
01:06:01,365 --> 01:06:05,099
Then came the ARVN base at Song Be.
1135
01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:07,666
The South Vietnamese outpost adjacent to
1136
01:06:07,766 --> 01:06:10,900
the provincial capital
of Loc Ninh was next.
1137
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,932
There, large units of North Vietnamese
1138
01:06:14,032 --> 01:06:17,833
and Viet Cong regulars mounted
a coordinated attack,
1139
01:06:17,932 --> 01:06:21,300
and then fought for five days
to hold on to the ground
1140
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,266
they'd gained, something
they had never done before.
1141
01:06:25,365 --> 01:06:28,966
American commanders were puzzled.
1142
01:06:29,065 --> 01:06:33,699
Then, in early November,
reports reached MACV
1143
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,065
that five North Vietnamese regiments
1144
01:06:36,166 --> 01:06:40,466
and a Viet Cong battalion...
some 7,000 men in all...
1145
01:06:40,565 --> 01:06:43,166
had begun massing in the Central Highlands
1146
01:06:43,265 --> 01:06:47,932
around the U.S. Special
Forces camp at Dak To again.
1147
01:06:48,033 --> 01:06:52,666
Among the North Vietnamese
regulars was Nguyen Thanh Son,
1148
01:06:52,765 --> 01:06:56,065
who had been so eager to
fight that he too had filled
1149
01:06:56,166 --> 01:07:00,265
his pockets with rocks
to pass his physical.
1150
01:07:01,432 --> 01:07:04,166
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1151
01:07:14,399 --> 01:07:17,865
NARRATOR: As the NVA deployed their troops,
1152
01:07:17,966 --> 01:07:20,899
Westmoreland sent his to Dak To,
1153
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,565
exactly what the enemy wanted him to do.
1154
01:07:24,666 --> 01:07:29,899
Among the Americans were the men
of the elite 173rd Airborne,
1155
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:33,600
Westmoreland's Fire Brigade.
1156
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:42,199
MATT HARRISON: We all knew in a general
sense that we wouldn't be brought back
1157
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:45,233
if there wasn't something big going on.
1158
01:07:45,332 --> 01:07:50,765
You just knew that the area was
crawling with North Vietnamese,
1159
01:07:50,865 --> 01:07:55,399
and that they were there not
to avoid contact with us,
1160
01:07:55,500 --> 01:07:58,233
but they were there to
have contact with us.
1161
01:07:59,632 --> 01:08:01,899
NARRATOR: First Lieutenant
Matthew Harrison was now
1162
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,765
with Alpha Company of the 2nd Battalion,
1163
01:08:04,865 --> 01:08:07,399
the same rifle company
that had been ambushed
1164
01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:12,733
and so badly shattered back in
June on the slopes of Hill 1338,
1165
01:08:12,832 --> 01:08:15,500
just 14 miles to the east.
1166
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:19,233
HARRISON: This wasn't like the Viet
Cong where if you could find them,
1167
01:08:19,332 --> 01:08:20,600
you could kill them.
1168
01:08:20,699 --> 01:08:22,000
Our problem wasn't finding them.
1169
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:24,381
Our problem was what to do
with them once you found them.
1170
01:08:24,432 --> 01:08:29,600
NARRATOR: The 174th NVA
Regiment was waiting.
1171
01:08:29,699 --> 01:08:33,500
Nguyen Thanh Son and his
men were already dug in
1172
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,666
on the high ground they knew
the Americans would want
1173
01:08:36,765 --> 01:08:41,500
to command: Hill 875.
1174
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,699
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1175
01:09:02,666 --> 01:09:07,899
NARRATOR: On Sunday
morning, November 19, 1967,
1176
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:11,500
Alpha, Charlie, and Delta
Companies were ordered
1177
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,500
to take Hill 875.
1178
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,065
Matt Harrison had been
wounded in an earlier fight
1179
01:09:18,166 --> 01:09:21,000
and was not permitted to accompany his men.
1180
01:09:21,100 --> 01:09:25,399
He anxiously followed their
progress over the radio.
1181
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:30,199
Heavy artillery and flights of
F-100s blasted the hillside
1182
01:09:30,300 --> 01:09:34,132
ahead of them, meant to
knock out enemy positions
1183
01:09:34,233 --> 01:09:37,432
before the paratroopers
ever got within range.
1184
01:09:39,065 --> 01:09:41,233
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1185
01:09:54,300 --> 01:09:56,699
NARRATOR: The three companies
moved up the slope,
1186
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,233
Charlie and Delta in the lead,
1187
01:09:59,332 --> 01:10:02,533
Alpha bringing up the rear.
1188
01:10:02,632 --> 01:10:06,100
The paratroopers stepped
warily into a clearing
1189
01:10:06,199 --> 01:10:09,432
filled with fallen trees from
the morning's bombardment
1190
01:10:09,533 --> 01:10:14,332
and only a little over 300
yards from the summit.
1191
01:10:15,100 --> 01:10:18,300
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1192
01:10:27,765 --> 01:10:29,432
(gunfire)
1193
01:10:29,533 --> 01:10:32,533
NARRATOR: Thousands of automatic
weapon rounds ripped through the air.
1194
01:10:32,632 --> 01:10:35,699
Chinese-made grenades
came rolling and bumping
1195
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:37,199
down the slopes.
1196
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:41,533
The Americans sought cover where
they could behind fallen trees,
1197
01:10:41,632 --> 01:10:44,233
scrabbled at the earth with their helmets,
1198
01:10:44,332 --> 01:10:46,533
trying to dig fighting holes.
1199
01:10:46,632 --> 01:10:49,365
(gunfire)
1200
01:10:49,466 --> 01:10:50,832
(soldiers yelling)
1201
01:10:50,932 --> 01:10:53,233
(rapid gunfire)
1202
01:10:53,332 --> 01:10:56,233
Charlie and Delta companies
were pinned down
1203
01:10:56,332 --> 01:10:59,233
and being torn to pieces.
1204
01:10:59,332 --> 01:11:00,565
(gunfire)
1205
01:11:00,666 --> 01:11:02,500
Meanwhile, near the foot of the hill,
1206
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,699
other North Vietnamese troops
surprised Alpha Company
1207
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,132
from behind.
1208
01:11:07,233 --> 01:11:10,300
They were first spotted
moving up through the trees
1209
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:14,100
by a private from the Bronx
named Carlos Lozada.
1210
01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:17,365
As the men of his company
scrambled up the slope,
1211
01:11:17,466 --> 01:11:19,265
dragging their wounded with them,
1212
01:11:19,365 --> 01:11:21,932
Lozada provided what cover he could,
1213
01:11:22,033 --> 01:11:24,800
firing his M-60 machine gun from his hip...
1214
01:11:24,899 --> 01:11:27,632
before a bullet hit him in the head.
1215
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:33,832
He would be awarded a
posthumous Medal of Honor.
1216
01:11:33,932 --> 01:11:37,832
Back home, the battle led the nightly news.
1217
01:11:37,932 --> 01:11:39,533
(helicopter humming)
1218
01:11:39,632 --> 01:11:42,533
WALTER CRONKITE: The Battle of
Dak To is now on its 19th day,
1219
01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:44,932
and already ranks among
the bloodiest campaigns
1220
01:11:45,033 --> 01:11:46,466
of the Vietnam War.
1221
01:11:46,565 --> 01:11:48,199
There's no sign yet of any let-up.
1222
01:11:48,300 --> 01:11:49,832
Over the weekend, three companies
1223
01:11:49,932 --> 01:11:53,932
of the 173rd Airborne Brigade
moved down this river valley,
1224
01:11:54,033 --> 01:11:56,932
up which North Vietnamese
normally infiltrate,
1225
01:11:57,033 --> 01:12:00,100
until they got down here by Hill 875.
1226
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:02,533
Then, they came under
heavy fire from the hill.
1227
01:12:02,632 --> 01:12:04,733
Two of the three companies
charged the hill,
1228
01:12:04,832 --> 01:12:06,699
the other stayed back as a rear guard.
1229
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:08,132
They found a...
1230
01:12:08,233 --> 01:12:11,365
HARRISON: By early afternoon,
the three companies
1231
01:12:11,466 --> 01:12:13,733
had basically been decapitated.
1232
01:12:13,832 --> 01:12:15,632
The company commanders were dead;
1233
01:12:15,733 --> 01:12:18,800
most of the officers and
most of the NCOs were dead.
1234
01:12:18,899 --> 01:12:20,600
(soldiers yelling)
1235
01:12:20,699 --> 01:12:23,399
NARRATOR: The survivors from
all three companies clustered
1236
01:12:23,500 --> 01:12:26,199
in the clearing and did
their best to set up
1237
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:27,966
a defensive circle.
1238
01:12:28,065 --> 01:12:32,699
American bombs and napalm
pounded enemy positions
1239
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,300
until it grew almost too dark to see.
1240
01:12:37,265 --> 01:12:39,166
NGUYEN THANH SON:
1241
01:13:04,565 --> 01:13:09,399
NARRATOR: Then, another American plane
roared in and dropped two bombs.
1242
01:13:09,500 --> 01:13:12,500
One landed among the hidden enemy troops.
1243
01:13:13,733 --> 01:13:18,300
The other fell directly on the Americans.
1244
01:13:18,399 --> 01:13:23,199
In a fraction of a second, 42 were killed.
1245
01:13:23,300 --> 01:13:27,233
A badly hit lieutenant managed
to find a working radio.
1246
01:13:27,332 --> 01:13:30,765
"No more fucking planes,"
he shouted into it.
1247
01:13:30,865 --> 01:13:33,600
"You're killingus up here."
1248
01:13:33,699 --> 01:13:35,065
(explosion)
1249
01:13:35,166 --> 01:13:37,432
The fighting on the hillside continued.
1250
01:13:37,533 --> 01:13:41,966
The men ran out of water, began
to run out of ammunition.
1251
01:13:42,065 --> 01:13:46,800
Helicopters that tried to ferry
in supplies were shot down.
1252
01:13:48,166 --> 01:13:55,265
The following day, Matt Harrison
was able to chopper in.
1253
01:13:55,365 --> 01:13:56,966
HARRISON: It was chaos.
1254
01:13:57,065 --> 01:13:59,865
It was collections of guys
who had who had tunneled
1255
01:13:59,966 --> 01:14:02,166
and dug down behind trees.
1256
01:14:02,265 --> 01:14:05,699
These were guys who had gone
without water in that heat
1257
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,300
for two days.
1258
01:14:07,399 --> 01:14:11,399
And almost every one of them was wounded.
1259
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:15,533
And then all around were bodies,
1260
01:14:15,632 --> 01:14:19,932
guys who had been shot and blown up.
1261
01:14:20,033 --> 01:14:21,666
It was the third circle of hell.
1262
01:14:24,432 --> 01:14:28,899
NARRATOR: On November 23, two
fresh battalions of the 173rd
1263
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,533
finally made it to the top of the hill,
1264
01:14:31,632 --> 01:14:34,466
for which so many had died.
1265
01:14:34,565 --> 01:14:36,332
But the night before,
1266
01:14:36,432 --> 01:14:39,332
the surviving North Vietnamese
troops had slipped down
1267
01:14:39,432 --> 01:14:45,666
the other side and disappeared
into Cambodia and Laos.
1268
01:14:45,765 --> 01:14:48,399
The powers that be decided
it would be important
1269
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:52,966
to our morale for us to be in on
the taking the top of the hill.
1270
01:14:53,065 --> 01:14:58,300
I had 26 guys left out of a
company that started out of 140,
1271
01:14:58,399 --> 01:15:01,065
and all 26 had been wounded.
1272
01:15:01,166 --> 01:15:05,466
NARRATOR: Then Harrison and his
exhausted men were helicoptered
1273
01:15:05,565 --> 01:15:07,332
to the top of yet another hill.
1274
01:15:07,432 --> 01:15:09,132
(helicopter blades whirring)
1275
01:15:13,065 --> 01:15:15,300
It was Thanksgiving.
1276
01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:18,666
Chinook helicopters clattered
down out of the sky,
1277
01:15:18,765 --> 01:15:22,399
carrying huge containers of hot
turkey and mashed potatoes
1278
01:15:22,500 --> 01:15:27,000
and cranberry sauce so
that the 173rd could have
1279
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:29,033
their Thanksgiving dinner.
1280
01:15:29,132 --> 01:15:31,699
If there are any more
remote or dangerous spots
1281
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:33,840
to spend Thanksgiving Day
in Vietnam than this one,
1282
01:15:33,865 --> 01:15:36,000
then most of these men
have never seen them.
1283
01:15:36,100 --> 01:15:39,500
HARRISON: There was a TV cameraman
and reporter off to the side
1284
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,199
using us as a backdrop.
1285
01:15:41,300 --> 01:15:44,000
And I remember hearing the reporter intone,
1286
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:47,166
"Today is November 23, Thanksgiving Day,"
1287
01:15:47,265 --> 01:15:51,033
and I was really angry.
1288
01:15:51,132 --> 01:15:55,033
It's as though we were entertainers.
1289
01:15:56,533 --> 01:16:02,332
NARRATOR: 107 Americans
had died taking Hill 875;
1290
01:16:02,432 --> 01:16:05,300
another 282 were wounded.
1291
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:07,132
Ten more were missing.
1292
01:16:07,233 --> 01:16:11,065
The number of North Vietnamese
casualties is unknown,
1293
01:16:11,166 --> 01:16:15,132
but their losses are thought
to have been staggering.
1294
01:16:16,699 --> 01:16:21,065
Back in June, Matt Harrison had
lost two West Point classmates
1295
01:16:21,166 --> 01:16:23,800
on Hill 1338.
1296
01:16:23,899 --> 01:16:26,932
He lost two more on Hill 875.
1297
01:16:27,033 --> 01:16:30,666
Of the eight with whom he had
served in the 2nd Battalion,
1298
01:16:30,765 --> 01:16:35,065
four were now dead and
two had been wounded.
1299
01:16:37,632 --> 01:16:41,100
HARRISON: To take tops of mountains
in a triple canopy jungle
1300
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:44,332
along the Cambodian-Laotian
border accomplished nothing
1301
01:16:44,432 --> 01:16:46,600
of any importance.
1302
01:16:48,332 --> 01:16:52,899
The Battle for Hill 875
was, in my thinking today,
1303
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,365
a microcosm of what we were
doing and what went wrong
1304
01:16:56,466 --> 01:16:57,899
in Vietnam.
1305
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,733
There was no reason to take that hill.
1306
01:17:01,832 --> 01:17:05,533
We literally got to the top of the hill
1307
01:17:05,632 --> 01:17:12,399
about mid-day on November
23 and sat there for,
1308
01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:14,332
I don't know, half an hour, an hour,
1309
01:17:14,432 --> 01:17:18,399
just kind of gathering ourselves
and everything together.
1310
01:17:18,500 --> 01:17:21,765
Chinooks came in, took us off the hill.
1311
01:17:21,865 --> 01:17:25,733
And I doubt that there's
been an American on Hill 875
1312
01:17:25,832 --> 01:17:27,899
since November 23.
1313
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,265
We accomplished nothing.
1314
01:17:30,365 --> 01:17:33,899
WILLIAM WESTMORELAND: A new
phase is now starting.
1315
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,932
We have reached an important
point when the end
1316
01:17:37,033 --> 01:17:39,300
begins to come into view.
1317
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,565
NARRATOR: As Matt Harrison and
his men fought for Hill 875,
1318
01:17:44,666 --> 01:17:47,300
the Johnson administration was in the midst
1319
01:17:47,399 --> 01:17:49,199
of a "Success Offensive,"
1320
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:54,166
a PR campaign aimed at shoring
up support for the war
1321
01:17:54,265 --> 01:17:56,765
and the way it was being waged.
1322
01:17:56,865 --> 01:18:01,166
MACV released a new and
surprisingly low estimate
1323
01:18:01,265 --> 01:18:05,199
of enemy forces to show how
much damage the United States
1324
01:18:05,300 --> 01:18:06,666
had done to them.
1325
01:18:06,765 --> 01:18:11,132
It was only two-thirds of the
total suggested by the CIA,
1326
01:18:11,233 --> 01:18:13,666
because, after a bitter
and prolonged debate
1327
01:18:13,765 --> 01:18:16,632
behind the scenes, Westmoreland had chosen
1328
01:18:16,733 --> 01:18:19,800
to exclude from it the
part-time guerrillas...
1329
01:18:19,899 --> 01:18:23,932
farmers, old men, women, even children...
1330
01:18:24,033 --> 01:18:27,765
who helped place the mines,
grenades, and booby traps
1331
01:18:27,865 --> 01:18:29,932
that accounted for more than a third
1332
01:18:30,033 --> 01:18:32,565
of all American casualties.
1333
01:18:32,666 --> 01:18:35,699
General Westmoreland also told the press
1334
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,332
that the impressive body
counts his commanders reported
1335
01:18:39,432 --> 01:18:42,033
were "very, very conservative."
1336
01:18:42,132 --> 01:18:44,600
It probably represented, he said,
1337
01:18:44,699 --> 01:18:49,265
"50 percent or even less of the
enemy that has been killed."
1338
01:18:49,365 --> 01:18:53,065
Ambassador Ellsworth
Bunker joined the chorus,
1339
01:18:53,166 --> 01:18:56,865
using a metaphor first
used 13 years earlier
1340
01:18:56,966 --> 01:18:59,500
by the French commander in Vietnam,
1341
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:04,166
not long before their great
defeat at Dien Bien Phu.
1342
01:19:04,265 --> 01:19:07,500
And I think we're now
beginning to see light
1343
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:08,966
at the end of the tunnel.
1344
01:19:09,065 --> 01:19:12,199
Mr. Ambassador, you talk about
light at the end of the tunnel.
1345
01:19:12,300 --> 01:19:13,832
How long is this tunnel?
1346
01:19:13,932 --> 01:19:16,500
Well, I don't think that you can put it
1347
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:22,399
into any particular timeframe,
a situation like this.
1348
01:19:23,932 --> 01:19:28,265
NARRATOR: LBJ's Success
Offensive succeeded.
1349
01:19:28,365 --> 01:19:31,699
The number of Americans who
believed the United States
1350
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:36,466
was making real progress in the war grew.
1351
01:19:36,565 --> 01:19:39,899
Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara
1352
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:44,065
did not take part in the
public relations campaign.
1353
01:19:44,166 --> 01:19:47,800
He had become so disillusioned
with the war he'd done so much
1354
01:19:47,899 --> 01:19:50,399
to plan and prosecute that he wrote
1355
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:52,832
another secret memo to the president,
1356
01:19:52,932 --> 01:19:56,865
advising Johnson to freeze
American troop levels,
1357
01:19:56,966 --> 01:20:00,600
turn over ground operations
to the South Vietnamese,
1358
01:20:00,699 --> 01:20:03,100
and halt the bombing of North Vietnam
1359
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:06,199
"in order to bring about negotiations."
1360
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:09,932
There was no reason to
believe, McNamara wrote,
1361
01:20:10,033 --> 01:20:13,733
that the prolonged "infliction
of grievous casualties,
1362
01:20:13,832 --> 01:20:16,500
"or the heavy punishment
of air bombardment,
1363
01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:19,565
"will suffice to break the
will of the North Vietnamese
1364
01:20:19,666 --> 01:20:21,100
"and Viet Cong.
1365
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:24,332
"The continuation of our
present course of action
1366
01:20:24,432 --> 01:20:29,300
"in Southeast Asia would be
dangerous, costly in lives,
1367
01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:32,632
and unsatisfactory to the American people."
1368
01:20:32,733 --> 01:20:35,932
Johnson never responded.
1369
01:20:36,033 --> 01:20:39,065
Instead, he arranged for McNamara to become
1370
01:20:39,166 --> 01:20:42,100
the president of the World Bank.
1371
01:20:42,199 --> 01:20:46,033
McNamara would keep silent about
the doubts he had harbored
1372
01:20:46,132 --> 01:20:48,233
since the beginning of the ground war
1373
01:20:48,332 --> 01:20:51,832
for the next 28 years.
1374
01:20:51,932 --> 01:20:54,932
His successor as defense secretary would be
1375
01:20:55,033 --> 01:20:56,265
Clark Clifford,
1376
01:20:56,365 --> 01:20:59,932
a prominent Washington
lawyer and trusted counselor
1377
01:21:00,033 --> 01:21:03,500
to Democratic presidents, whom
Johnson was sure would be
1378
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,332
supportive of the war.
1379
01:21:05,432 --> 01:21:07,500
Students of Harvard...
1380
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,899
NARRATOR: Meanwhile, Allard
Lowenstein's yearlong search
1381
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,432
for a Democratic challenger
to the president
1382
01:21:13,533 --> 01:21:15,565
had finally succeeded.
1383
01:21:15,666 --> 01:21:21,632
On November 30, 1967, Minnesota
senator Eugene McCarthy
1384
01:21:21,733 --> 01:21:23,600
announced that he would run.
1385
01:21:23,699 --> 01:21:26,332
This is an issue which has to be taken
1386
01:21:26,432 --> 01:21:29,865
to the people of the country
in the campaign of 1968.
1387
01:21:29,966 --> 01:21:31,000
(crowd cheers)
1388
01:21:33,065 --> 01:21:36,065
NARRATOR: By the end of 1967,
1389
01:21:36,166 --> 01:21:41,632
20,057 Americans had died in Vietnam.
1390
01:21:41,733 --> 01:21:45,000
The time had come, General
Westmoreland said,
1391
01:21:45,100 --> 01:21:48,966
for an "all-out offensive on all fronts."
1392
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:56,233
But the enemy was just a
month away from launching
1393
01:21:56,332 --> 01:21:59,365
an all-out offensive of its own.
1394
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,720
("Paint in Black" by the
Rolling Stones playing)
1395
01:22:14,466 --> 01:22:20,365
♪ I see a red door and I
want it painted black ♪
1396
01:22:20,466 --> 01:22:26,365
♪ No colors anymore, I
want them to turn black ♪
1397
01:22:26,466 --> 01:22:28,666
♪ I see the girls walk by
1398
01:22:28,765 --> 01:22:32,466
♪ Dressed in their summer clothes ♪
1399
01:22:32,565 --> 01:22:38,666
♪ I have to turn my head
until my darkness goes ♪
1400
01:22:38,765 --> 01:22:44,466
♪ I see a line of cars and
they're all painted black ♪
1401
01:22:44,565 --> 01:22:50,466
♪ With flowers and my love,
both never to come back ♪
1402
01:22:50,565 --> 01:22:56,533
♪ I see people turn their
heads and quickly look away ♪
1403
01:22:56,632 --> 01:23:02,699
♪ Like a newborn baby, it
just happens every day ♪
1404
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:08,699
♪ I look inside myself and
see my heart is black ♪
1405
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:14,699
♪ I see my red door and must
have it painted black ♪
1406
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:20,733
♪ Maybe then I'll fade away and
not have to face the facts ♪
1407
01:23:20,832 --> 01:23:26,932
♪ It's not easy facing up when
your whole world is black ♪
1408
01:23:27,033 --> 01:23:33,166
♪ No more will my green sea
go turn a deeper blue ♪
1409
01:23:33,265 --> 01:23:39,399
♪ I could not foresee this
thing happening to you ♪
1410
01:23:39,500 --> 01:23:45,300
♪ If I look hard enough
into the setting sun ♪
1411
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:51,365
♪ My love will laugh with me
before the morning comes ♪
1412
01:23:51,466 --> 01:23:57,432
♪ I see a red door and I
want it painted black ♪
1413
01:23:57,533 --> 01:24:03,466
♪ No colors anymore, I
want them to turn black ♪
1414
01:24:03,565 --> 01:24:05,600
♪ I see the girls walk by
1415
01:24:05,699 --> 01:24:09,533
♪ Dressed in their summer clothes ♪
1416
01:24:09,632 --> 01:24:15,632
♪ I have to turn my head
until my darkness goes ♪
1417
01:24:15,733 --> 01:24:20,466
(humming)
1418
01:24:20,565 --> 01:24:21,932
♪ I wanna see it painted
1419
01:24:22,033 --> 01:24:25,733
♪ Painted, painted, painted black ♪
1420
01:24:25,832 --> 01:24:27,733
♪ Yeah.
1421
01:24:27,832 --> 01:24:35,832
(humming)
1422
01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:54,299
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