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Cosimo Commisso, nice
guy, family man, but...
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if you got on the wrong
side of him, he'd kill you.
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He said to me, you are the
only guy that's ever come
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to my house, met my wife, met my family.
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I wouldn't let anybody else in this house
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or even know where I live.
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He says, we trust you.
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If they thought for a second
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they couldn't trust me they will kill me.
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{\an8}♪
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{\an8}The mob is what controls the world.
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{\an8}Drug Lord is one thing.
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Bikers are another thing...
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but the mob controls
banks, lawyers, policemen,
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money laundering, drugs.
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Worldwide, you're talking
about $80 billion a year.
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It's like an octopus.
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They have their fingers
everywhere, every country,
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{\an8}it's never ending.
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{\an8}Most people are completely
swamped by the American
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{\an8}mythology of organized crime.
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The reasons for the
mob’s success are clear,
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organization and discipline,
vows of secrecy and loyalty,
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insulation of its leaders from
direct criminal involvement.
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It's a very nasty world, very violent.
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There's not only Sicilians,
there are those from Calabria,
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the southern part of Italy, the
Calabrese called the ‘Ndrangheta
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The ‘Ndrangheta basically
morphed from something in Italy,
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to the new world.
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It’s a very different
situation here in Canada.
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Remo Commisso runs the
Commisso clan in Toronto, Canada.
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If you wanted to draw a
picture of a mafia leader,
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{\an8}he would be it.
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{\an8}They’re organized crime,
murder incorporated.
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{\an8}They kill people and get away with it.
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{\an8}The Commisso were new
Canadians who were more aggressive.
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There was a lot of money in
getting people shot or scared
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or blown up.
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I've known violence all my life.
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Ever since grade school,
was in kindergarten
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Fighting, fighting and
fighting, never stopped.
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My name is Cecil Kirby.
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I worked as an enforcer for
the Commisso crime family
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from 1975 to 1981.
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Their reputation was very well-known.
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{\an8}You have to think of Remo
and Cosimo as a unit really.
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{\an8}If you put a dartboard up on the wall
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and each square was a
certain particular crime,
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just keep throwing darts at it
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and if they could make
money on it, they did it.
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All the Commissos, Cosimo, Remo, Michael,
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were all born in Calabria Italy.
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They left Italy to come to Canada
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where they wouldn't get assassinated
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because there was a
vendetta and a family feud
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with another mafia family there.
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And I believe their father
was killed because of it.
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{\an8}Remo got into
international drug trafficking.
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{\an8}He quickly became the brains
of the Commisso crime family.
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Any report that I ever
got on the Commissos,
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Remo was always identified as the leader.
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He is the boss of that
clan. There's nobody else.
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I think I described it as
the guy that could put on
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a hundred dollars Walmart suit
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and looked like it was an Armani.
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Always dressed to the max.
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If you wanted to draw a
picture of a mafia leader,
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he would be it.
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{\an8}Cosimo, his brother is
what you would call the maid.
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{\an8}He'll do all the street cleaning.
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If Remo tells him something
that this guy needs to go
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or this needs to be delivered,
he does the dirty work.
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They were doing a distribution
and making counterfeit money.
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They were doing extortion
and then they branched out
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into contract hits and getting people shot
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or scared or blown up.
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He would rely on the
likes of a Cecil Kirby,
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it was Cosimo dealing with
Cecil to do the dirty work.
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He's not going to do it.
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He gets the instructions on what
to do and he goes and does it.
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I was introduced to them in 1975.
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A friend of mine took me
over to the Casa Commisso
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on Lawrence Avenue and introduced me
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to Cosimo and Remo Commisso.
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And they explained to me,
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we need you to do some work for us.
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Just collections, enforcing,
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beating people up... and killing people.
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I said, yeah, I got nothing else to do.
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Might as well.
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Cecil Kirby had quite a
reputation as an enforcer.
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He had no conscience, no empathy.
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He loved the science of beating
up people and he knew exactly
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how to break a leg to make
sure he could hear the crack.
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Trust was the number one thing.
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They had to trust me
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and they knew from my reputation
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and other people that knew
me that were friends of theirs,
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that they knew they could trust me.
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It was a wild period, the '70's.
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Paul Volpe was the closest
thing to a mafia Don in Toronto
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at the time.
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Volpe was expanding in
the construction industry.
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Paul Volpe was a really commanding figure.
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Volpe was known to be
tied in with organized crime
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in the United States.
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Had his own organization.
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Paul Volpe came from a
non-mafia family, didn't speak Italian.
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He was born in Toronto,
made these friends in the mafia
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families in New York and Vito DeFillipo
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was one of his partners, one
of the Bonanno family people.
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But Paul Volpe had done what
a lot of them do over the years.
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He'd gotten slightly respectable.
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He lived in a very suburban
area where lawyers, doctors,
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and dentists would live in.
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He had just bought this
huge estate called Fox Hill.
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Volpe means fox in English.
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He was involved in the
construction industry.
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He was getting bribes.
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He was involved in Atlantic City.
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He was involved in many
land deals in Toronto.
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The Commissos were
the new kids on the block.
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They had none of the
veneer that Volpe had.
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The Commissos were new
Canadians who were more aggressive.
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Commissos were expanding
in the criminal underworld
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and then they decided to kill Paul Volpe.
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{\an8}My name is Charlie Yanover
and I'm the last of the Volpe mob.
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{\an8}I’ve been charged with
everything from conspiracy
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to murder to possession of drugs.
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I was in middle management.
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We'd say in Godfather
terms, I would've been a capo.
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I had my own people.
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We did things for the boss.
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I'm trying to make it as simple as I can
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to make you understand
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because everybody's preconceived
with this godfather bullshit
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and we were just a crew that
went out and make a living.
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Chucky Yanover,
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he grew up in an upper
middle class Jewish family.
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He had everything.
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He didn't have to be an organized crime.
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He just wanted some
excitement in his life.
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That was the heyday.
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We made money, drove
fancy cars, had nice women.
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Paul looked after all
the gambling in the city.
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We had our lone shark office on Spadina.
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There was lots of heat around.
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The coppers were on us all the
time, had 24-hour surveillance.
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It was a six to five operation.
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They put money out in the street
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and they expect to get paid every week,
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at least the interest on the money,
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which was 20 percent a week.
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If you have to borrow money that way,
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it's very difficult to make the payments
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and people like Chuck would
go out and threaten coerce.
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We went and collected
money for services rendered
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or not rendered.
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Mostly not rendered.
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Toronto was a wide open city.
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Usually an organized crime
faction takes its territory,
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but what you had in Toronto was Paul Volpe
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did what he wanted to do.
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The Commissos did what they wanted to do.
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It was pretty loose, but then things
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start to rock and roll and
people say, well, wait a minute,
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maybe this is my territory.
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Cecil Kirby, he's a creature of habit,
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didn't look like a gangster at all.
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He was short, maybe
about 5'7", 5' 8", red hair.
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If you look into his eyes.
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Dead. Dead eyes.
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The eyes of a psychopathic killer.
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Cecil Kirby was hired by
the Commissos in the '70's
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to essentially be a thug.
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He was a street enforcer.
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If the Commissos were
in a feud with someone
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or someone owed them money,
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they sent out their guy, Cecil Kirby.
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I knew when I started
working for 'em, I thought,
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how long could I last
before they try and kill me?
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First bombing I did was a pop truck,
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blew the back off the pickup truck.
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Cosimo, he was just
overjoyed with that one.
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He just loved that.
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He says, just keep up the good work.
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So next bombing was King's Cross Estate
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where I put two sticks of
dynamite in the mailbox...
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[explosion]
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That went over good.
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Next bombing was Hamilton, John Ryan.
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There was a Camaro there one night
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and I put four sticks of dynamite
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on top of the rear tire.
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Lit It. Took off and I heard it go off.
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[explosion]
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Sounded like two freight
trains hitting together,
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ripped the back of that car to pieces.
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Dennis Mason, Cosimo wanted him killed.
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He was supposedly a witness
against one of Cosimo's friends.
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I put three sticks of dynamite in his car,
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wired to the wiper fuse.
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[explosion]
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I heard the next day the bomb went off,
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but it just smoked the inside of the car.
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Bad, dynamite.
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Lucky kid.
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That I heard later on from
the police, that wrong guy,
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{\an8}this is not the right Dennis Mason.
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{\an8}I think about a quarter
of them were mistaken.
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{\an8}They got the wrong person.
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He did occasionally get the right person.
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And then there was the Chinese restaurant
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out Elizabeth Street in Chinatown.
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The owner owed a gambling debt.
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Now that was 100 sticks
of dynamite in two cases.
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I went in the restaurant,
ordered a meal to go,
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went in the bathroom,
lifted up the ceiling tiles
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and put those two cases in there.
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I was told that nobody
would be in that restaurant
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and I phoned it at 1:00 in the
morning, never got an answer.
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[phone rings]
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[explosion]
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I was awakened by this horrible explosion.
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It sounded as if it
happened right in the hotel
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and I thought probably the
whole hotel was blowing up
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or something.
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The explosion started in the back kitchen
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and it followed a shaft over
to the north side of the building
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and went up and through the washroom
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and it was quite extensive.
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The bomb went off and blew
the owner across the restaurant
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and killed the cook.
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That was the worst thing right there.
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Innocent bystander.
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They blew up the cars
of people they didn't like.
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There were bombings under beds in hotels.
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There were bombings at businesses
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not paying the extortion fees
they were supposed to pay
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or there was a grudge against
somebody just to send a message.
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Don't mess with us.
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Next bombing.
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Well, I met Cosimo and he said to me,
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his wife and her mother
were at this restaurant
252
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called Napoleon’s
253
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and he says they threw
them out of the restaurant.
254
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They told him to leave
and get the hell out
255
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and he says, I need some revenge.
256
00:16:51,384 --> 00:16:54,096
Read about it the next day in a newspaper,
257
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the wrought iron bars that were
on the outside of the window,
258
00:16:57,725 --> 00:17:00,059
one went right through the window
259
00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:01,979
and missed the one woman
by about a foot with her head.
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Almost took her head off.
261
00:17:03,730 --> 00:17:05,648
They got cut with a lot of glass.
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They were hurt, but they survived.
263
00:17:08,693 --> 00:17:10,570
Cosimo, I talked to him about it.
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I told him, I said, understand
that people got hurt
265
00:17:12,530 --> 00:17:14,157
and he says, so what?
266
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He says, we got the point across.
267
00:17:17,869 --> 00:17:19,163
You just didn't bad mouth these people
268
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because they were violent.
269
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They take their status sincerely.
270
00:17:34,595 --> 00:17:36,430
Cosimo was a ballroom dancer,
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professional ballroom
dancer of all things.
272
00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:43,103
That sort of shocked me.
273
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That’s where he met his wife.
274
00:17:47,607 --> 00:17:49,734
Cecil Kirby had a great job with
the Commissos for a few years,
275
00:17:49,859 --> 00:17:52,779
blowing up cars, frightening people,
276
00:17:52,904 --> 00:17:56,115
but they never paid him his full salary.
277
00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,452
He was offered $500, he would get $200.
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He was offered $2000, he would get $500
279
00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:06,626
and even for hits, he
wasn't paid the full amount.
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It's like they always had to owe me money,
281
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sort of like keeping me on
the hook, keeping me around.
282
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Always owe somebody money.
Don't ever pay them in full.
283
00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:25,770
The Commissos, they never
knew anything but the mob.
284
00:18:25,854 --> 00:18:29,441
I know a lot of sons and
grandsons of mafia people,
285
00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:32,443
particularly if they're
from a name Mafia family
286
00:18:32,568 --> 00:18:37,615
like the Commissos, they
almost don't have a choice
287
00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:41,662
and if they decide not to
be in the mob, it's very hard.
288
00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:54,258
I was born into a mafia
family that came from Italy.
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I would always say like Jesus,
290
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my father's got a lot of friends.
291
00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:04,101
Wow, that's nice. They give him money.
292
00:19:06,185 --> 00:19:09,314
My father bought a Cadillac
once and he said to me,
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when you grow up, you
can have one of these.
294
00:19:11,441 --> 00:19:16,696
If you do the right
thing, I could get you in,
295
00:19:16,821 --> 00:19:19,449
but you have to prove to me who you are.
296
00:19:22,493 --> 00:19:27,164
Downstairs at the Casa
Commisso there was the cellar.
297
00:19:27,290 --> 00:19:32,421
You go downstairs and there
was five superior main men.
298
00:19:33,922 --> 00:19:35,507
They make a circle.
299
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:37,550
You go in the middle of the circle.
300
00:19:37,675 --> 00:19:42,346
Once they fold their arms,
the first main guy speaks
301
00:19:42,431 --> 00:19:45,474
and you'll have a
little card in your hand.
302
00:19:45,558 --> 00:19:47,853
The second guy starts speaking.
303
00:19:47,935 --> 00:19:51,355
Then they burn the card in your hand
304
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,484
and they tell you the
way this card is burning,
305
00:19:55,568 --> 00:19:58,113
so shall you and your body burn
306
00:19:58,238 --> 00:20:03,660
if you ever, ever
betray this organization.
307
00:20:03,743 --> 00:20:10,709
They say (speaks Italian).
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00:20:10,791 --> 00:20:13,878
That means we hand you a loaded gun
309
00:20:13,961 --> 00:20:18,592
in your left hand and in the
right hand you have the world.
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00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:22,762
If they say to you, you
got to go hit this guy,
311
00:20:22,887 --> 00:20:24,722
well, that's what the gun represents.
312
00:20:24,847 --> 00:20:26,724
You're going to do it.
313
00:20:26,849 --> 00:20:32,189
The world means to
behave, to never betray us.
314
00:20:32,271 --> 00:20:36,276
Whatever you do for
us, you shut your mouth,
315
00:20:36,401 --> 00:20:40,821
take your lumps,
whatever it is, you take it.
316
00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:43,450
You never betray this organization.
317
00:20:49,330 --> 00:20:51,625
When people came into
the city, they would go
318
00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:55,252
to the Casa Commisso, let the
Commissos know we're in town.
319
00:20:55,378 --> 00:21:00,842
It was like going to the Vatican
and paying homage to the Pope.
320
00:21:02,719 --> 00:21:05,513
They're coming in to kiss the
ring and not cause any problems.
321
00:21:07,807 --> 00:21:09,726
The Casa Commisso, walk in the front door
322
00:21:09,809 --> 00:21:11,979
and off to the right side
323
00:21:12,061 --> 00:21:14,271
there's about four or five
tables there and they're always
324
00:21:14,397 --> 00:21:18,777
playing cards or some
Italian game at that table.
325
00:21:18,902 --> 00:21:21,696
I'd always go in the back
door, not the front door
326
00:21:21,821 --> 00:21:25,284
because the RCMP or metro
cops were always watching it.
327
00:21:25,409 --> 00:21:27,827
The cook inside the kitchen
would open up the door for me
328
00:21:27,952 --> 00:21:30,955
and let me in and she'd always
make me something to eat too
329
00:21:31,038 --> 00:21:32,958
while I was there.
330
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,460
The cops said to me
years later, we never, ever
331
00:21:35,585 --> 00:21:37,796
got a picture of you
going into this place.
332
00:21:37,878 --> 00:21:40,715
I said, well, next time you
want to watch the back door too.
333
00:21:42,425 --> 00:21:46,471
We had a dedicated surveillance
team that was called Special O,
334
00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:51,559
and Special O would do a lot
of the work on the day-to-day
335
00:21:51,684 --> 00:21:54,563
surveillance of the Casa Commisso.
336
00:21:56,355 --> 00:21:57,941
They would have Italian weddings there.
337
00:21:58,025 --> 00:21:59,901
They would have stags for the weddings.
338
00:22:00,027 --> 00:22:04,448
So it would be a who's
who of the local mafia
339
00:22:04,530 --> 00:22:05,990
showing up to these things.
340
00:22:06,074 --> 00:22:07,867
So it was valuable information for us.
341
00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:13,498
One of the ripest target situations
342
00:22:13,623 --> 00:22:16,625
that you could come up
with was a mob funeral.
343
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:18,627
All the mobsters would be there.
344
00:22:18,711 --> 00:22:20,422
{\an8}They would all be pallbearers
or walking in and out.
345
00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:21,882
{\an8}Great surveillance footage.
346
00:22:23,717 --> 00:22:26,010
{\an8}To do surveillance, you
needed this beaten up old van,
347
00:22:26,094 --> 00:22:27,846
which you would slap a sign on saying
348
00:22:27,971 --> 00:22:30,347
so and so’s gardening service
349
00:22:30,473 --> 00:22:34,060
or Ontario Hydro, and
you would drive the van up
350
00:22:34,185 --> 00:22:36,980
and there would be a
two-way window in there,
351
00:22:37,064 --> 00:22:39,398
and you'd have a cameraman inside.
352
00:22:41,067 --> 00:22:42,527
Martin Burke had a reputation
353
00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:44,528
as a gung-ho investigative reporter.
354
00:22:44,653 --> 00:22:46,239
He'd been in Vietnam.
355
00:22:46,323 --> 00:22:47,865
And you have to remember back in the '70's
356
00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:49,785
when we were doing this,
357
00:22:49,867 --> 00:22:51,452
there were only a couple
of channels on television.
358
00:22:51,577 --> 00:22:54,830
So when connections was on in June of '77,
359
00:22:54,914 --> 00:22:57,666
everyone stopped what they
were doing and watched it.
360
00:23:01,212 --> 00:23:04,048
There was this series called
Connections that CBC had aired
361
00:23:04,132 --> 00:23:08,345
back in the '70’s and it was
the most unbelievable exposé
362
00:23:08,428 --> 00:23:10,346
of organized crime.
363
00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:13,016
Even still to this day
when I watch it I’m in awe,
364
00:23:13,099 --> 00:23:16,060
I can’t believe the balls
that these journalists had
365
00:23:16,185 --> 00:23:18,896
to go after these mobsters like this.
366
00:23:19,021 --> 00:23:21,775
To put together undercover scenarios,
367
00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,653
the techniques they used which
at the time were revolutionary.
368
00:23:26,946 --> 00:23:29,031
There was no footage
of any of these people.
369
00:23:29,115 --> 00:23:30,700
If you're doing a film about politics,
370
00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:32,786
you can always get tons of footage there.
371
00:23:32,868 --> 00:23:35,079
If you're doing film about
sports, there's tons of footage.
372
00:23:35,163 --> 00:23:37,749
This, there was zero footage,
373
00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,835
so we had to create our own footage
374
00:23:42,628 --> 00:23:44,297
And it was pretty dramatic stuff.
375
00:23:50,261 --> 00:23:53,597
We had Johnny Papalia
saying, I'll eat your eyes out
376
00:23:53,722 --> 00:23:56,643
you motherfucking, cocksucking prick,
377
00:23:56,768 --> 00:24:00,646
and we had Volpe explaining how he would,
378
00:24:00,771 --> 00:24:01,940
you can only kill a stool pigeon,
379
00:24:02,065 --> 00:24:04,567
can't leave them alive.
380
00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:06,944
They had stool pigeons all over the world,
381
00:24:07,069 --> 00:24:11,490
and the minute the stool pigeon
gets killed, someone kills them,
382
00:24:11,615 --> 00:24:13,785
which to me is rightly so.
383
00:24:13,868 --> 00:24:15,537
You got to kill them, you
got to get them out of the way.
384
00:24:15,662 --> 00:24:18,498
Anybody's an informer,
only looking to hurt people.
385
00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:23,420
One day we had heard that there
was some big meeting happening
386
00:24:23,502 --> 00:24:26,923
and it would happen at the Casa Commisso.
387
00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:29,634
Our thing was we would go up there
388
00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:31,135
and we would park with all the cars
389
00:24:31,219 --> 00:24:32,761
in front of the Casa Commisso
390
00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:35,640
and see if anybody came and went.
391
00:24:35,723 --> 00:24:38,143
So we did that, but
there was a little problem.
392
00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:39,769
There were no cars.
393
00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:41,605
It was the middle of the week
394
00:24:41,688 --> 00:24:43,440
and like 2:00 in the
afternoon or something,
395
00:24:43,522 --> 00:24:45,858
and we stuck out like a sore thumb.
396
00:24:47,736 --> 00:24:53,825
And so I get out of the van and
I go into the Casa Commisso,
397
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:57,828
open the door, and it
was an opening of a door
398
00:24:57,953 --> 00:25:00,123
right into a major meeting hall
399
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:04,169
And Martin Burke, our
director, went to interview Remo.
400
00:25:04,294 --> 00:25:06,546
He asked for him at the door.
401
00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:08,839
The trick was to get him to
stay at the door long enough.
402
00:25:08,923 --> 00:25:12,509
We had our cameraman in the
parking lot of the Casa Commisso
403
00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:15,596
shooting this, and he
was wearing a hidden mic.
404
00:25:15,721 --> 00:25:18,182
There was no vestibule,
there was no other door.
405
00:25:18,307 --> 00:25:20,184
You just opened the
door and there you were
406
00:25:20,309 --> 00:25:21,853
right in the middle.
407
00:25:21,894 --> 00:25:23,104
And there was a meeting going on.
408
00:25:24,564 --> 00:25:25,856
Remo was at the head of the table
409
00:25:25,981 --> 00:25:28,151
commanding all these other guys,
410
00:25:28,234 --> 00:25:30,694
and I looked around
the table and recognized
411
00:25:30,778 --> 00:25:34,824
several of the faces
from surveillance footage
412
00:25:34,907 --> 00:25:38,202
that we had gotten from various cops.
413
00:25:38,327 --> 00:25:41,705
I realized I had blundered
right into the meeting
414
00:25:41,789 --> 00:25:44,875
that was rumored to happen,
415
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,086
which was not a very smart thing to do.
416
00:25:48,672 --> 00:25:50,632
He said, are you Remo Commisso?
417
00:25:50,714 --> 00:25:53,050
And he said, who wants to
know who Remo Commisso -
418
00:25:53,175 --> 00:25:55,428
you know the usual.
419
00:25:55,511 --> 00:25:57,305
And they had this banter,
but he kept it going for a while.
420
00:25:57,430 --> 00:26:01,268
Then finally Remo said, get in here.
421
00:26:01,393 --> 00:26:04,645
And he said, mmhmm,
I'm not going in there.
422
00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:08,023
So he decided to get out
of there as fast as he could.
423
00:26:08,107 --> 00:26:12,737
Remo was indignant,
furious, racing after me
424
00:26:12,820 --> 00:26:16,240
out into the parking lot and
I quietly backpedalled out.
425
00:26:16,324 --> 00:26:19,576
And he's really yelling,
he's really indignant
426
00:26:19,702 --> 00:26:21,704
and you didn't know
where that was going to go.
427
00:26:22,955 --> 00:26:26,625
The van was sitting there in
the middle of a huge parking lot
428
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:28,586
and I could not get back
to it without attracting
429
00:26:28,711 --> 00:26:30,171
enormous attention.
430
00:26:30,297 --> 00:26:32,589
[phone rings]
431
00:26:32,715 --> 00:26:34,467
I got the call
432
00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:35,844
and he was worried
because he had left Francis
433
00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:39,055
the intrepid cameraman in the parking lot.
434
00:26:39,138 --> 00:26:43,226
So he said to me, get the cops.
435
00:26:43,309 --> 00:26:46,895
And a couple of police cars
escorted me back to the van.
436
00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,941
We were very lucky to be
able to get back to that van.
437
00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:52,777
And they'd never realized
that they were being filmed
438
00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:56,573
until they saw it on
television, on June, 1977.
439
00:26:57,865 --> 00:26:59,784
Remo Commisso has established
440
00:26:59,826 --> 00:27:02,621
contacts with organized
criminals across the country.
441
00:27:02,703 --> 00:27:05,289
He now operates from the
Casa Commisso banquet hall
442
00:27:05,373 --> 00:27:07,791
on Lawrence Avenue.
443
00:27:07,875 --> 00:27:10,670
A location often frequented
by those with criminal records.
444
00:27:17,176 --> 00:27:19,054
In 1979 when they had the Connection show
445
00:27:19,136 --> 00:27:24,726
and they outed me as a
gangster, things changed.
446
00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:29,939
And that was from my good friend
Jim Dubro who wrote the book.
447
00:27:30,022 --> 00:27:33,233
There are other less fashionable
addresses in Paul Volpe’s life,
448
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,113
such as suite 201 on the second
floor of a dingy office building
449
00:27:37,196 --> 00:27:39,449
at College and Spadina in Toronto.
450
00:27:39,531 --> 00:27:43,118
According to police, Volpe, his
brother Frank and Nate Clagerman
451
00:27:43,202 --> 00:27:46,705
operate huge loan sharking
operations from this location.
452
00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:50,710
We were in the real estate business.
453
00:27:50,835 --> 00:27:52,628
We had all the buildings
down at Parliament
454
00:27:52,711 --> 00:27:53,962
and King and Queen Street.
455
00:27:54,047 --> 00:27:55,714
They owned the city TV building
456
00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:58,343
and all the warehouses in Berkeley Street.
457
00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,845
And the night after the Connection show,
458
00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:06,393
the banks called all our loans
and cost us a $100 million.
459
00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:07,644
So...
460
00:28:09,770 --> 00:28:13,232
-[barking] - You guys
behave yourself. In the garage.
461
00:28:15,567 --> 00:28:19,029
The cops used to come in and tap
your phones and wire your houses
462
00:28:19,154 --> 00:28:20,781
whenever they could.
463
00:28:20,906 --> 00:28:22,826
Just, you had to be alert. You don't talk.
464
00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:25,662
You have to know what
you're doing 24 hours a day.
465
00:28:39,843 --> 00:28:43,054
We were posted to Toronto drug section.
466
00:28:43,179 --> 00:28:45,848
We were on what they
call the international team,
467
00:28:45,932 --> 00:28:47,851
international squad.
468
00:28:47,933 --> 00:28:51,061
Primarily what we did was
pursue heroin prosecutions.
469
00:28:51,145 --> 00:28:54,691
Heroin was fondly referred
to as the mounty drug.
470
00:28:57,067 --> 00:28:58,862
We all started working the street
471
00:28:58,944 --> 00:29:01,280
and working our way
up to different levels.
472
00:29:02,615 --> 00:29:06,118
Ounce dealers, half-pound
deal, that type of thing.
473
00:29:06,243 --> 00:29:09,204
The heroin would come in various methods,
474
00:29:09,288 --> 00:29:11,458
but mostly it was body packed.
475
00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:14,419
There was a constant flow
of Italians back and forth
476
00:29:14,501 --> 00:29:16,378
between here and Italy.
477
00:29:16,462 --> 00:29:20,133
Two 747s arriving every
day, Alitalia and Air Canada.
478
00:29:20,258 --> 00:29:22,093
So at 4:00 every afternoon
479
00:29:22,218 --> 00:29:25,888
you would have 800-900 Italian folks
480
00:29:25,971 --> 00:29:28,767
arriving at the airport in Toronto
481
00:29:28,849 --> 00:29:31,810
and some of them were bad guys.
482
00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:39,778
So we started a dialogue
with the Italian authorities
483
00:29:39,861 --> 00:29:41,863
and inch by inch,
484
00:29:41,988 --> 00:29:44,281
we worked our way up
into these organizations
485
00:29:44,406 --> 00:29:46,785
and we followed every instinct we could.
486
00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:48,952
But it was like you
know, baking a cake right?
487
00:29:48,994 --> 00:29:52,707
You had to be prepared to
sit there and watch it cook.
488
00:29:52,832 --> 00:29:56,669
And the conspiracies
developing took weeks, months.
489
00:29:58,671 --> 00:30:03,134
The idea was making money
how fast and how much.
490
00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:05,303
So the way it works is you've got
491
00:30:05,345 --> 00:30:07,971
the people on the street
level, the mafia, the soldiers,
492
00:30:08,096 --> 00:30:10,307
they're the ones committing the crime.
493
00:30:10,391 --> 00:30:12,977
Whatever crime they commit,
however they generate the money,
494
00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:14,770
part of that money, it's bubbled up
495
00:30:14,854 --> 00:30:17,272
to their immediate
supervisor, so to speak.
496
00:30:17,356 --> 00:30:21,152
Then it goes up the chain
and eventually it ends up
497
00:30:21,277 --> 00:30:23,779
in Cosimo and Remo’s hands.
498
00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:27,784
It's almost like I guess a pyramid scheme.
499
00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:32,497
We were certainly satisfied that
we knew who was behind it all,
500
00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:34,790
but convicting him was no easy task.
501
00:30:34,874 --> 00:30:37,794
We got a significant number of these guys
502
00:30:37,876 --> 00:30:40,421
both here and in Vancouver.
503
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,589
We had a guy from Italy, came over,
504
00:30:42,714 --> 00:30:45,844
did a deal with us right
in a hotel in Toronto.
505
00:30:45,926 --> 00:30:47,470
It was almost a kilo.
506
00:30:47,554 --> 00:30:50,722
It was 94 or 96 percent pure.
507
00:30:53,268 --> 00:30:54,434
We charged 30 people.
508
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,144
We convicted every one of them,
509
00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:59,022
which is really rare with Commissos.
510
00:30:59,106 --> 00:31:01,025
The reality is they're the focus
511
00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:03,819
and boy, would it be
nice to charge these guys,
512
00:31:03,903 --> 00:31:05,946
but sometimes it works,
sometimes it doesn't.
513
00:31:06,071 --> 00:31:07,865
As they say, sometimes you get the bear,
514
00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:08,991
sometimes the bear gets you.
515
00:31:11,076 --> 00:31:13,997
The bosses rarely, if
ever, touched the drugs,
516
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:15,664
and unfortunately in our case,
517
00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:18,166
that was specifically what happened to us.
518
00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:19,711
They just never went near the stuff
519
00:31:19,751 --> 00:31:21,503
and we never had enough to charge them.
520
00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:30,305
If you don't have informants,
521
00:31:30,387 --> 00:31:31,931
you're not going to last
very long doing this job.
522
00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:37,436
Around '78 or '79,
523
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,396
a meeting I had with Cosimo
at the Casa Commisso,
524
00:31:39,521 --> 00:31:41,732
he said to me,
525
00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:46,194
I need this Italian mob boss
in Italy killed, Momo Piromali
526
00:31:46,278 --> 00:31:48,615
Italian courts were
looking into his wealth
527
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,532
and his mafia activities.
528
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,875
They made international
headlines when they kidnapped
529
00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:01,044
John Paul Getty III,
530
00:32:01,126 --> 00:32:04,963
the nephew of American
Oil billionaire John Paul Getty.
531
00:32:05,088 --> 00:32:10,553
They cut off his ear in order
to get $3.2 million in ransom.
532
00:32:14,598 --> 00:32:17,268
He said, they'll fly me there,
pay for all my expenses,
533
00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:19,103
and he said, somebody there will take me
534
00:32:19,228 --> 00:32:21,314
and show me where the guy lives.
535
00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:23,566
And after that, it's in my hands.
536
00:32:25,233 --> 00:32:28,112
It made me suspicious.
537
00:32:28,195 --> 00:32:29,948
I'm a Irish guy, not, I'm not Italian.
538
00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:31,865
I can't speak Italian.
539
00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,492
I said, I'm going to stand
out everywhere I'm at.
540
00:32:33,617 --> 00:32:35,369
Good place to get rid of me, in Italy.
541
00:32:35,494 --> 00:32:38,080
Dig a go hole on the ground, bury me.
542
00:32:38,163 --> 00:32:40,208
That's the end of it, period.
543
00:32:41,667 --> 00:32:43,419
I said, no, it ain't going to happen.
544
00:32:43,502 --> 00:32:45,922
I know for a fact I
would've never came back.
545
00:32:48,298 --> 00:32:51,094
I would've killed him and one
of Cossimmo’s men over there
546
00:32:51,176 --> 00:32:52,511
would've killed me.
547
00:32:55,138 --> 00:32:58,183
It's the first time I actually
refused and I thought,
548
00:32:58,308 --> 00:33:00,936
well, I just have to keep my wits about me
549
00:33:01,019 --> 00:33:03,522
when I'm dealing with these people.
550
00:33:03,647 --> 00:33:05,650
I knew what I started working for 'em.
551
00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:08,361
I thought, how long could I
last working for these guys?
552
00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:11,071
Because the reputation with the mob guy is
553
00:33:11,196 --> 00:33:14,157
they only last three to five years,
554
00:33:14,282 --> 00:33:16,702
and this was getting close
to the end of the fifth year,
555
00:33:16,827 --> 00:33:20,580
and I thought, where
am I going to have to go,
556
00:33:20,707 --> 00:33:23,041
where am I going to retire
to get away from these guys.
557
00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:28,297
Being a enforcer, a hit
man, you know too much.
558
00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:30,008
Sooner or later, there's a bullet for you
559
00:33:30,090 --> 00:33:32,300
right around the corner.
560
00:33:32,384 --> 00:33:36,096
Cecil reached the stage where
he realizes and rightfully so,
561
00:33:36,221 --> 00:33:37,973
he knows too much.
562
00:33:38,057 --> 00:33:40,977
I mean it's history, it's everywhere.
563
00:33:41,059 --> 00:33:42,519
It happened in New York with Gotti
564
00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:44,646
when his right-hand man turned on him
565
00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:46,941
because he knew his days were numbered.
566
00:33:48,067 --> 00:33:50,569
Cecil, he's nothing to the
Commissos, he knows that.
567
00:33:50,694 --> 00:33:53,029
They could drop him on a dime
568
00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:55,700
and there'll be another
Cecil Kirby come along.
569
00:33:55,825 --> 00:33:59,119
And people like that, they come forward.
570
00:34:12,257 --> 00:34:15,344
Well, like I took about two
weeks to think about this.
571
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,273
At the time I was up on some
criminal charges and I thought,
572
00:34:28,398 --> 00:34:30,693
well, let's see what I
can do with the charges,
573
00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:34,112
because sometimes you give
an offer to the cops, you can walk.
574
00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:40,036
So I phoned the RCMP and CIS.
575
00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,371
I said to them, I said,
I got some information
576
00:34:42,454 --> 00:34:44,664
that you guys might want to know about.
577
00:34:44,748 --> 00:34:48,418
The guy who answered the phone
there was Corporal Mark Murphy.
578
00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,588
Kirby said he had to
meet him in half an hour
579
00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:53,340
to find out everything about
organized crime in Toronto
580
00:34:53,465 --> 00:34:55,009
from the inside.
581
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,766
I said, why don't you
meet me at Casa Loma?
582
00:35:01,849 --> 00:35:06,603
So the RCMP corporal showed up there.
583
00:35:06,686 --> 00:35:08,688
I'm in the car talking
to him and I said, look,
584
00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:11,733
I got some information on
members of organized crime
585
00:35:11,818 --> 00:35:14,112
if we can do a deal.
586
00:35:14,195 --> 00:35:16,322
So I gave him some
names and he just sat there
587
00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:18,615
just sort of silently
588
00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:23,829
like bells going off in his
head and I said, think about it,
589
00:35:23,954 --> 00:35:27,125
but I'm not just going to
hand these guys over to you.
590
00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:31,628
He was really hot in a trot
to get these guys arrested.
591
00:35:31,753 --> 00:35:35,298
He wanted me to become police informant
592
00:35:35,423 --> 00:35:38,260
and I was taking my time
about it, really thinking about it.
593
00:35:40,429 --> 00:35:44,474
It's a real difference
between a police informant
594
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,393
and the police agent.
595
00:35:46,518 --> 00:35:48,311
Police informant just gives information,
596
00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:50,773
may or may not ever testify.
597
00:35:50,856 --> 00:35:55,277
An agent actually goes out
and does stuff for the police.
598
00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:58,530
And I said, I want your assurance
599
00:35:58,614 --> 00:36:01,324
you're not going to burn
me or stab me in the back.
600
00:36:01,409 --> 00:36:03,827
Me trusting the RCMP hundred percent?
601
00:36:03,911 --> 00:36:05,788
That will never happen.
602
00:36:05,871 --> 00:36:09,625
Becoming a police informant,
not a good thing to do.
603
00:36:09,708 --> 00:36:11,376
Should I have just walked outside,
604
00:36:11,501 --> 00:36:13,170
shot myself in the head?
605
00:36:13,253 --> 00:36:14,713
Maybe so, but I didn't.
606
00:36:17,925 --> 00:36:20,510
Over the years, the number of
attempts that have been made
607
00:36:20,594 --> 00:36:22,722
to try to get close to
the Commisso family...
608
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:25,599
First of all, the best way to get there
609
00:36:25,724 --> 00:36:27,726
is to infiltrate, and believe me,
610
00:36:27,851 --> 00:36:31,856
policemen have been
trying for decades to infiltrate,
611
00:36:31,981 --> 00:36:35,233
but nothing has been that good in Canada
612
00:36:35,358 --> 00:36:37,320
and that close to what Cecil did.
613
00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:43,867
It's a tremendous
risk because first of all,
614
00:36:43,951 --> 00:36:50,333
he's crossed Cosimo and that's
bad because that gets reflected
615
00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:52,918
throughout the organized crime community.
616
00:36:53,043 --> 00:36:57,215
And so we decided that
we would give him immunity
617
00:36:57,297 --> 00:37:01,885
and then the case was how
now do we get corroboration?
618
00:37:01,969 --> 00:37:04,931
And not only that, but
the level of corroboration
619
00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:09,184
had to be extremely
high... like a wiretap.
620
00:37:15,565 --> 00:37:18,193
After I got the immunity
agreement, I was wired up.
621
00:37:18,277 --> 00:37:20,445
My car was all wired up for sound.
622
00:37:22,447 --> 00:37:25,326
Cosimo, one day he
says to me, I can trust you.
623
00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:26,994
I said, yeah.
624
00:37:27,077 --> 00:37:28,829
I said, I've been with you this long.
625
00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:31,666
I said, I'm still here. I
said, sure, you can trust me.
626
00:37:31,791 --> 00:37:34,335
I said, you shouldn't even bring that up.
627
00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:38,172
The next, they say, we want
you to kill Peter Scarcella
628
00:37:38,297 --> 00:37:39,465
and Paul Volpe.
629
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,385
I said, well, here we go.
630
00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:48,766
Paul had obviously
stepped on somebody's toes.
631
00:37:48,849 --> 00:37:50,934
I know that there was some dislike
632
00:37:51,059 --> 00:37:53,478
between the Commissos and him
633
00:37:53,603 --> 00:37:55,773
where they would never
have taken the original contract
634
00:37:55,856 --> 00:37:58,025
to kill him.
635
00:37:58,108 --> 00:37:59,693
You just don't go out and murder
another member of a family.
636
00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:03,780
You go to obviously the Don
and whoever the Don is at the time
637
00:38:03,864 --> 00:38:05,282
that you're answering to
638
00:38:05,365 --> 00:38:06,867
is going to make that decision
639
00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:08,869
and give you the permission to do it.
640
00:38:08,994 --> 00:38:12,873
He was then asked to
do a more important hit
641
00:38:12,998 --> 00:38:16,668
and that was the leading
associate of Paul Volpe
642
00:38:16,793 --> 00:38:18,586
named Peter Scarcella.
643
00:38:21,548 --> 00:38:23,634
Cosimo drove me around.
644
00:38:23,675 --> 00:38:26,304
He showed me where
Scarcella lived off of Jane Street.
645
00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:28,306
Then he said to me, do
you know where Volpe lives?
646
00:38:28,389 --> 00:38:30,141
And I said, yes, I do.
647
00:38:30,181 --> 00:38:31,516
I know exactly where
he lives, up in Nobleton.
648
00:38:33,893 --> 00:38:37,731
The RCMP wanted me to get
Cosimo and Remo and Michael on tape
649
00:38:37,856 --> 00:38:40,943
with the conversation
about conspiracy to murder.
650
00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:43,987
There was a series of meetings
651
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:47,032
between Cosimo Commisso and Cecil Kirby.
652
00:38:47,157 --> 00:38:49,784
Initially, it was going to
be Scarcella and Volpe
653
00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:51,369
were to be whacked.
654
00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:55,875
The meetings just kept happening
and happening and happening,
655
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,585
and the RCMP said to me,
656
00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,836
some of the recordings aren't that great.
657
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,840
You got to get 'em to stay in your car.
658
00:39:02,922 --> 00:39:04,967
I said, that's going to be a challenge.
659
00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:10,264
So, I bandaged my foot
all up with elastic tape.
660
00:39:12,391 --> 00:39:15,978
I met Cosimo at the Howard Johnson hotel.
661
00:39:16,061 --> 00:39:18,481
I said to him, I hurt my
ankle jogging the other day.
662
00:39:18,563 --> 00:39:20,733
I said, I can't walk that good.
663
00:39:20,858 --> 00:39:22,568
And he says, we're
going to talk in your car?
664
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:23,860
I said, yeah.
665
00:39:23,943 --> 00:39:25,237
I said, you know as well as me,
666
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,489
I know the guy that
does all the debugging.
667
00:39:26,572 --> 00:39:27,782
I said, this car's been
checked a lot of times.
668
00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:33,871
He got inside my car,
my Shiv Caprice Classic.
669
00:39:33,996 --> 00:39:36,373
I said, so it's safe to talk in.
670
00:39:36,498 --> 00:39:38,583
So that's how I got him to talk
671
00:39:38,708 --> 00:39:40,920
and he says, hold off on Peter Scarcella.
672
00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,505
Don't kill him. He's on our side.
673
00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:43,797
I said, oh, okay.
674
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,423
He's not with Paul Volpe anymore?
675
00:39:45,548 --> 00:39:47,510
He says, well, he's working for us now.
676
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,681
The police thought they
could maybe just grab Volpe
677
00:39:52,764 --> 00:39:55,559
and have him disappear for a bit,
678
00:39:55,643 --> 00:39:58,896
and then the assumption
would be he was dead.
679
00:39:58,978 --> 00:40:01,731
We told them that that
would amount to kidnapping
680
00:40:01,815 --> 00:40:03,525
under the Criminal Code.
681
00:40:05,402 --> 00:40:08,072
Howard Morton said,
no, we can't kidnap him.
682
00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:10,699
So someone else, I think it
may have been Murphy, said,
683
00:40:10,782 --> 00:40:13,702
why don't we just ask him if
he would like to cooperate?
684
00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:17,831
That was the RCMP
Corporal, that was his idea.
685
00:40:17,956 --> 00:40:21,543
Take him into custody, get
his wallet, fake his death,
686
00:40:21,626 --> 00:40:23,545
and I had to have that wallet
687
00:40:23,628 --> 00:40:27,382
for absolutely good,
strong proof that I killed him.
688
00:40:29,885 --> 00:40:34,764
Murphy and another metro Toronto
police officer who Volpe knew,
689
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:38,601
went up there and said, look,
Commissos want to kill you.
690
00:40:38,686 --> 00:40:40,896
They've hired this hit man to kill you,
691
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:43,440
and we want to pretend
that you've been killed.
692
00:40:43,565 --> 00:40:45,733
Could you give us your wallet and said,
693
00:40:45,818 --> 00:40:48,778
we better bring your wife too.
694
00:40:48,903 --> 00:40:53,409
CFSU takes them into custody
and takes him to the RCMP station
695
00:40:53,492 --> 00:40:55,494
incommunicado to make 'em look like
696
00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:57,496
they've fallen off the face of the earth.
697
00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:00,166
He immediately handed over his wallet
698
00:41:00,248 --> 00:41:02,333
without even checking what was in there.
699
00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:06,045
Paul was upset.
700
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:08,132
In fact, he almost had big elephant tears
701
00:41:08,215 --> 00:41:10,759
because it was one of these
like, who would want to kill me?
702
00:41:13,596 --> 00:41:16,181
The whole drama of the moment
is that Cecil Kirby had to go back
703
00:41:16,306 --> 00:41:18,976
to Remo and Cosimo with a body pack
704
00:41:19,101 --> 00:41:21,896
so that they could incriminate themselves
705
00:41:22,021 --> 00:41:23,981
and they had to do it fast
706
00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:25,815
because they couldn't keep
Volpe and his wife for days
707
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,568
at RCMP headquarters.
708
00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:29,777
They could only keep them for a day or so.
709
00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:31,780
The corporal gave me the wallet.
710
00:41:33,157 --> 00:41:34,782
I drove over to Remo Commisso’s house.
711
00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:40,789
[knocking]
712
00:41:40,873 --> 00:41:43,166
Knocked on the door, went in.
713
00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:45,793
I said, I got to talk to you.
714
00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:48,630
So we went downstairs to the
basement, into the bathroom.
715
00:41:50,965 --> 00:41:53,885
Remo put on the cold water tap
716
00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:56,764
in case the place is bugged
or anybody's listening.
717
00:41:56,889 --> 00:42:00,643
He was always suspicious
and on guard for everything.
718
00:42:00,726 --> 00:42:02,393
He says, what's going on?
719
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:03,853
I said, I handed him Paul Volpe's wallet.
720
00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:06,815
I said, Paul Volpe is dead.
721
00:42:06,898 --> 00:42:08,692
I said, Cosimo told me to kill him.
722
00:42:08,817 --> 00:42:10,360
He's dead.
723
00:42:10,443 --> 00:42:11,653
I need some money to get out of town.
724
00:42:13,697 --> 00:42:16,492
The cops were listening
to the whole conversation
725
00:42:16,574 --> 00:42:18,786
and they had an enforcement team
726
00:42:18,869 --> 00:42:21,871
just down the street waiting
in case something did happen.
727
00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:23,958
I was a little concerned
because the hair on my chest,
728
00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:26,001
the tape kept falling off.
729
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,505
There was a sound of water.
730
00:42:30,588 --> 00:42:33,842
We thought it was a
shower being turned on.
731
00:42:33,925 --> 00:42:37,554
In one of the Godfather
movies one of the characters
732
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,889
in the movie does exactly the same thing,
733
00:42:40,014 --> 00:42:44,853
turns the shower on to try
and muffle a possible wire tap.
734
00:42:46,896 --> 00:42:48,731
Remo was furious. You
don't bring me his wallet.
735
00:42:48,856 --> 00:42:50,192
Why didn't you get rid of it?
736
00:42:52,402 --> 00:42:54,989
He says, take that wallet and
throw it down a sewer drain.
737
00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,240
The most traumatic part was showing
738
00:42:57,324 --> 00:43:02,079
that wallet to Remo Commisso
in the basement of his house,
739
00:43:02,161 --> 00:43:04,623
face to face with a homicidal killer.
740
00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:08,210
And I thought, is this where
they're going to kill me?
741
00:43:08,293 --> 00:43:09,920
But finally, he admits that he knows
742
00:43:10,045 --> 00:43:11,338
that they were supposed to be killed.
743
00:43:11,463 --> 00:43:13,090
That's the important thing.
744
00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:15,134
So he implicates himself in the hit plot.
745
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,762
It was solid evidence.
746
00:43:18,804 --> 00:43:21,514
You couldn't get better
corroboration than a wiretap.
747
00:43:22,974 --> 00:43:24,559
I said, I want to fly to Florida
748
00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:26,603
and get away from here right now.
749
00:43:26,728 --> 00:43:29,063
He said, okay. He says, Mike will meet you
750
00:43:29,148 --> 00:43:32,233
out at Howard Johnson's at about 4:00.
751
00:43:32,318 --> 00:43:33,902
He'd give you some money then.
752
00:43:36,989 --> 00:43:38,239
And that's what happened.
753
00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:41,784
Michael met me there,
754
00:43:41,827 --> 00:43:44,704
I think it was 500 bucks
or something stupid,
755
00:43:44,829 --> 00:43:47,081
and he left and he only
went down the highway
756
00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:50,628
maybe three miles, and police
surrounded him, arrested him.
757
00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:54,632
I was given the instruction
then to arrest Remo Commisso
758
00:43:54,757 --> 00:43:56,967
and bring him to the station.
759
00:43:57,092 --> 00:44:00,137
We walked up to the
door, knocked on the door,
760
00:44:00,219 --> 00:44:01,929
identified myself.
761
00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:05,184
He invited us in. He was very calm.
762
00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,268
Somebody's coming in
to arrest you for conspiracy
763
00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:09,396
to commit murder.
764
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,773
Most people would be a
little bit shaken and upset.
765
00:44:11,856 --> 00:44:13,983
I never saw that in Remo.
766
00:44:14,108 --> 00:44:16,737
I said to Remo, you're
under arrest for conspiracy
767
00:44:16,862 --> 00:44:18,989
to commit murder.
768
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:21,659
He would've been able to
put that together very quickly.
769
00:44:21,784 --> 00:44:23,661
He knows that Cecil was
just there showing him
770
00:44:23,744 --> 00:44:25,161
Paul's identification.
771
00:44:25,286 --> 00:44:28,623
He knows right then that Cecil is a rat
772
00:44:28,706 --> 00:44:31,960
and he's been done.
So better he say nothing.
773
00:44:32,043 --> 00:44:33,920
I mean, if he turns around and says,
774
00:44:34,003 --> 00:44:36,215
well, that dirty rat
Kirby, that's a statement.
775
00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:39,635
I mean, that becomes
something. He said, nothing.
776
00:44:40,885 --> 00:44:42,637
It was a very simple arrest.
777
00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:46,809
It was, you're under arrest
Remo, come to the station.
778
00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:52,021
They were charged with the
plot to kill Paul Volpe and his wife,
779
00:44:52,146 --> 00:44:54,650
and even Scarcella.
780
00:44:54,733 --> 00:44:58,820
They're charged with a
number of bombings and assaults
781
00:44:58,903 --> 00:45:01,614
that Kirby did for enforcement work.
782
00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:05,452
Cecil Kirby committed a number of crimes
783
00:45:05,577 --> 00:45:07,413
on behalf of the Commissos.
784
00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:12,041
He clearly was capable
of extreme violence.
785
00:45:12,126 --> 00:45:16,422
It may seem strange to say
this, but despite his background,
786
00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:18,840
I found him believable.
787
00:45:20,425 --> 00:45:23,387
I testified against Remo and Cosimo.
788
00:45:23,469 --> 00:45:26,849
Cosimo wasn't too bad.
He just stared at me.
789
00:45:26,931 --> 00:45:29,184
With Remo, he gave me
some pretty mean looks
790
00:45:29,268 --> 00:45:31,269
like, oh, I'd just love to kill you.
791
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,733
If you're testifying, you're
going to be cross-examined
792
00:45:35,858 --> 00:45:38,402
on your associates and what you know,
793
00:45:38,485 --> 00:45:41,195
and even if you give the right answers,
794
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,326
the fact is you've divulged
all of this information,
795
00:45:46,452 --> 00:45:49,621
and this is a secret
society. You don't talk.
796
00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:58,422
Silence, and that's tradition.
797
00:45:58,505 --> 00:46:01,048
They had two really good lawyers,
798
00:46:01,132 --> 00:46:04,802
Bob Carter and Eddie Greenspan.
799
00:46:04,927 --> 00:46:08,431
And if those guys thought
that they could beat the charges,
800
00:46:08,514 --> 00:46:11,101
they would not have plead guilty.
801
00:46:11,226 --> 00:46:15,938
They didn't even fight it. They pled out.
802
00:46:16,023 --> 00:46:17,775
Their lawyer, Eddie Greenspan
803
00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:20,235
had to say in the end
that he really thought
804
00:46:20,318 --> 00:46:23,155
that Cecil Kirby was
one of the best witnesses
805
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,117
that he had ever seen
in terms of an informant.
806
00:46:28,202 --> 00:46:29,911
He's pretty courageous.
807
00:46:29,994 --> 00:46:32,831
He really hates rats, and he became a rat.
808
00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:37,001
They made a mistake.
809
00:46:37,085 --> 00:46:40,838
Kirby's not the brightest tack
in the box, the sharpest tack,
810
00:46:40,963 --> 00:46:46,887
but he was good for what he was used for.
811
00:46:47,012 --> 00:46:52,266
But they turned on him, he turned on them,
812
00:46:52,351 --> 00:46:54,186
and then that's the way it is.
813
00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:01,235
Four Toronto men,
814
00:47:01,318 --> 00:47:03,027
three of them members of
an organized crime family,
815
00:47:03,152 --> 00:47:05,989
pleaded guilty to
conspiring to kill Volpe.
816
00:47:06,114 --> 00:47:09,034
A $20,000 contract had
been put out on his life,
817
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,202
but the reason was never disclosed.
818
00:47:21,588 --> 00:47:24,257
It was necessary. It had to happen.
819
00:47:24,382 --> 00:47:26,635
I had no remorse about it.
820
00:47:26,717 --> 00:47:31,431
It was the only option I could
see of an outcome with me living
821
00:47:31,556 --> 00:47:33,891
and not dying at their hand.
822
00:47:36,061 --> 00:47:40,231
Remo and Cosimo pled
guilty to all the crimes.
823
00:47:40,356 --> 00:47:44,027
They got about eight years
in jail, which isn't much,
824
00:47:44,152 --> 00:47:47,572
and that puts the end of
one chapter of their career.
825
00:47:47,697 --> 00:47:50,992
Cecil Kirby had to,
after that, live in hiding
826
00:47:51,076 --> 00:47:56,331
because he put some of
the most feared mafia in jail,
827
00:47:56,414 --> 00:47:59,835
and of course they were going to kill him.
828
00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:02,170
But he said he was a dead
man. He could live with that.
829
00:48:02,253 --> 00:48:05,382
He thought he'd be a dead man either way,
830
00:48:05,507 --> 00:48:09,552
whether he stayed with the
Commissos or whether he left.
831
00:48:09,677 --> 00:48:13,849
What is the word on you in
the criminal world in Toronto?
832
00:48:13,931 --> 00:48:15,893
What do they think about you?
833
00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,518
What do they think of
me? They think I'm dead.
834
00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:19,396
They think-- they know they'd kill me.
835
00:48:19,438 --> 00:48:22,190
They all think they'd
kill me sooner or later.
836
00:48:22,273 --> 00:48:24,233
They believe the Commissos
will get me sooner or later.
837
00:48:24,318 --> 00:48:25,568
Is there a contract on you?
838
00:48:25,693 --> 00:48:27,195
Yes, there is.
839
00:48:27,278 --> 00:48:28,447
For how much money?
840
00:48:28,572 --> 00:48:30,324
For $250,000.
841
00:48:32,117 --> 00:48:34,911
I found out about the contract on my head
842
00:48:35,036 --> 00:48:39,248
from Sergeant Lyle McCharles
of the Ontario Provincial Police.
843
00:48:39,373 --> 00:48:42,335
He told me, and he swore to this in court,
844
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:46,047
that there was a bounty
for me of first it was 50,000.
845
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:49,092
Then it was a 100,000, then 200,000.
846
00:48:49,175 --> 00:48:52,094
This contract at one point was close to
847
00:48:52,219 --> 00:48:54,681
about half a million dollars.
848
00:48:54,806 --> 00:48:56,432
I thought, boy, that's pretty high.
849
00:48:56,516 --> 00:48:58,518
It's getting up there.
850
00:48:58,601 --> 00:49:01,063
It's like winning the
lottery, but no winner so far.
851
00:49:03,106 --> 00:49:06,568
And who'd want to be
the guy to try and kill me?
852
00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:10,322
You think I'm not going to fight back?
853
00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:13,951
I'm not going to shoot back?
You're damn right I'm going to.
854
00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:17,161
So if you're coming to kill
me, be prepared to die yourself.
855
00:49:18,246 --> 00:49:20,206
I don't hide.
856
00:49:20,289 --> 00:49:22,291
I just keep a low profile
except for this interview.
857
00:49:22,376 --> 00:49:26,253
I've never been afraid of anything
858
00:49:26,338 --> 00:49:28,465
and I couldn't give a damn
what happens to Commissos.
859
00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:30,592
Hopefully they'll die before me.
860
00:49:32,677 --> 00:49:34,429
I don't know why the Commissos
861
00:49:34,512 --> 00:49:37,014
wanted to have anything done to Paul.
862
00:49:37,139 --> 00:49:40,559
There may have been
some other infringements
863
00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:45,315
on their territories or our territories.
864
00:49:45,398 --> 00:49:48,485
There's always this animosity
between Italian mob families
865
00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:51,655
that some other family’s want them dead.
866
00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:54,115
And Volpe,
867
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,119
he was more popular than the
Commissos were at the time.
868
00:49:59,036 --> 00:50:01,581
Over the years, Paul
made a lot of enemies.
869
00:50:01,706 --> 00:50:03,625
Where do you start looking?
870
00:50:03,708 --> 00:50:06,711
I only have my own
thoughts and suspicions,
871
00:50:06,836 --> 00:50:10,132
was acting like that lone
wolf and wasn't sharing.
872
00:50:10,215 --> 00:50:12,092
Paul didn't care.
873
00:50:12,217 --> 00:50:14,219
Paul wasn't worried about anybody.
874
00:50:14,344 --> 00:50:16,387
Some of the 'Ndrangheta
people other than the Commissos
875
00:50:16,512 --> 00:50:19,641
who were out in the
street resent him on a tape.
876
00:50:19,724 --> 00:50:23,353
I know one cop told me that they heard
877
00:50:23,478 --> 00:50:26,523
an 'Ndrangheta boss saying,
why are they giving the money
878
00:50:26,648 --> 00:50:28,525
to construction companies, to Volpe?
879
00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:30,152
He doesn't do anything.
880
00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:31,570
Why don't we just get rid of him?
881
00:50:32,778 --> 00:50:36,532
Volpe was so hot-headed that
he'd made many, many enemies.
882
00:50:36,657 --> 00:50:42,371
Volpe was already feuding
with members of the new mafia
883
00:50:42,496 --> 00:50:44,708
in Canada,
884
00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:47,418
and the story on the street was
he had double-crossed them.
885
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,717
[phone rings]
886
00:50:53,842 --> 00:50:57,094
My office called Monday morning
887
00:50:57,219 --> 00:51:00,681
and said that Paul Volpe
had been reported missing.
888
00:51:02,266 --> 00:51:05,144
On a Sunday he kissed his
wife goodbye in the morning,
889
00:51:05,269 --> 00:51:08,731
said he was having lunch
with his assistant, Scarcella,
890
00:51:08,856 --> 00:51:11,150
and then he was going
off to a meeting with some
891
00:51:11,275 --> 00:51:13,195
unidentified people at the airport.
892
00:51:14,653 --> 00:51:17,032
{\an8}The last he was seen alive,
893
00:51:17,114 --> 00:51:21,161
{\an8}he was at a coffee shop
called La Seine in Woodbridge.
894
00:51:21,286 --> 00:51:23,454
{\an8}He was with Peter Scarcella.
895
00:51:23,579 --> 00:51:28,543
My understanding is that a
short time later, not a long time,
896
00:51:28,626 --> 00:51:32,630
his vehicle ends up parked
in the airport parking lot.
897
00:51:32,755 --> 00:51:36,092
They traced his car to the
Terminal 2 in the airport,
898
00:51:36,175 --> 00:51:39,721
blood was on the fender,
they opened the trunk.
899
00:51:43,809 --> 00:51:46,393
And found that he'd been
shot twice in the head,
900
00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:49,146
and the hit team got away
901
00:51:49,271 --> 00:51:51,440
The police plan to release
a photograph of the car
902
00:51:51,565 --> 00:51:53,652
in which Volpe’s body was found.
903
00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:56,195
They're hoping someone might
have seen the late model BMW
904
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,697
between Sunday morning
when he left his home
905
00:51:58,824 --> 00:52:01,367
and Monday afternoon
when he was found dead.
906
00:52:01,492 --> 00:52:02,619
It certainly has all the earmarks
907
00:52:02,744 --> 00:52:04,579
of a very professional killing.
908
00:52:06,914 --> 00:52:09,668
What happened to Paul could
have happened from Atlantic City.
909
00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:13,213
It could have happened from
any number of different areas.
910
00:52:13,338 --> 00:52:15,297
I don't know.
911
00:52:15,382 --> 00:52:17,050
Nor do I want to know.
912
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,010
The police are still looking for
913
00:52:19,094 --> 00:52:21,221
Volpe’s killers at his funeral today
914
00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:24,391
on the street and in
his storefront window,
915
00:52:25,391 --> 00:52:27,351
We were fairly powerful.
916
00:52:27,476 --> 00:52:32,815
But, I don't know, if
someone's got a hit on you,
917
00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:34,358
{\an8}you’re going to get hit.
918
00:52:36,902 --> 00:52:39,864
{\an8}The last person to see
him alive was Scarcella.
919
00:52:39,989 --> 00:52:43,534
{\an8}Scarcella was also a target at one point,
920
00:52:43,659 --> 00:52:46,704
but then his life was
spared for some reason.
921
00:52:46,829 --> 00:52:48,748
He had the meeting with Scarcella,
922
00:52:48,873 --> 00:52:52,501
who, from everything
I've heard, set him up.
923
00:52:52,585 --> 00:52:54,713
Scarcella’s a nasty piece of work.
924
00:52:56,297 --> 00:52:58,132
Every time I hear Scarcella's name,
925
00:52:58,215 --> 00:53:00,552
all I think of is three things.
926
00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:05,599
A rope, a shovel, and a hole
in the ground that he belongs in.
927
00:53:05,724 --> 00:53:07,809
He's a Judas.
928
00:53:07,893 --> 00:53:10,811
He stabbed Paul in the
back, and that's why Paul died.
929
00:53:16,985 --> 00:53:18,862
I don't care.
930
00:53:18,903 --> 00:53:19,820
They’re just words, they can't hurt me.
931
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,869
They could shoot me, kill
me, but not words, nothing.
932
00:53:26,952 --> 00:53:29,414
They are murder incorporated. Period.
933
00:53:31,041 --> 00:53:34,668
They don't care who they have
to kill or what they have to kill.
934
00:53:37,505 --> 00:53:41,927
There was obviously some dislike
between the Commissos and him
935
00:53:42,052 --> 00:53:44,554
or they would never have
taken the original contract
936
00:53:44,637 --> 00:53:46,139
to kill him,
937
00:53:46,222 --> 00:53:48,391
but I don't believe that they did it.
938
00:53:48,474 --> 00:53:50,851
They asked me to kill Paul Volpe.
939
00:53:50,936 --> 00:53:53,230
We saved Paul Volpe’s life.
940
00:53:53,355 --> 00:53:56,608
Commissos was going to jail for
conspiracy to murder then what,
941
00:53:56,733 --> 00:53:59,568
a year later, Paul's dead?
942
00:53:59,693 --> 00:54:01,195
What a coincidence.
943
00:54:02,989 --> 00:54:04,907
Although while they're in jail,
944
00:54:04,990 --> 00:54:06,826
it's uncertain what they were doing
945
00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:08,702
because Volpe was actually killed
946
00:54:08,786 --> 00:54:11,206
less than two years later.
947
00:54:11,289 --> 00:54:15,251
And whether the contract
that Remo and Cosimo gave out
948
00:54:15,376 --> 00:54:18,630
was fulfilled then through
other people in the 'Ndrangheta
949
00:54:18,755 --> 00:54:21,382
or others, is an open question.
950
00:54:21,465 --> 00:54:24,719
You can easily get people
killed while you're in jail.
951
00:54:24,802 --> 00:54:26,596
And in fact, 40 years later,
952
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:28,847
no one has been charged
with Volpe’s murder.
953
00:54:37,731 --> 00:54:39,943
Commissos emerged from prison.
954
00:54:40,025 --> 00:54:44,780
They were much more low key,
far more sophisticated crimes,
955
00:54:44,905 --> 00:54:47,659
money laundering, real estate fraud.
956
00:54:49,911 --> 00:54:52,789
They would certainly be a
lot more careful about anybody
957
00:54:52,914 --> 00:54:56,001
they dealt with outside
of their own community.
958
00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:58,043
Now you got to see that Cecil Kirby
959
00:54:58,168 --> 00:55:00,005
was not in their community,
960
00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:01,463
but they're going to be a lot smarter
961
00:55:01,547 --> 00:55:03,382
before that ever happens again.
962
00:55:19,648 --> 00:55:22,902
All organized crime,
they need facilitators.
963
00:55:23,027 --> 00:55:26,280
Joe Ferraro was a
Commisso family associate
964
00:55:26,364 --> 00:55:27,990
who was operating out of Toronto.
965
00:55:28,115 --> 00:55:29,784
His nickname was Joey Limousine.
966
00:55:29,867 --> 00:55:31,869
Because he ran a limousine company,
967
00:55:31,994 --> 00:55:35,331
He was also able to manipulate things.
968
00:55:35,414 --> 00:55:39,710
He was very boisterous
how he dressed and behaves.
969
00:55:39,835 --> 00:55:42,672
He wasn't afraid to make enemies.
970
00:55:42,755 --> 00:55:45,007
He was also muscle.
971
00:55:45,090 --> 00:55:46,885
He was an enforcer.
972
00:55:46,967 --> 00:55:48,385
He would go around
trying to collect debts.
973
00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:50,179
He's violent.
974
00:55:50,221 --> 00:55:52,724
He's been known to cut people's limbs off.
975
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:54,016
This is a serious dude.
976
00:55:54,099 --> 00:55:56,186
Joe Ferraro,
977
00:55:56,268 --> 00:55:57,644
in addition to being
muscle for the Italian mob,
978
00:55:57,728 --> 00:56:00,898
is also an alleged drug
trafficker for the 'Ndrangheta
78680
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