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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,458 --> 00:00:02,084 (Dramatic instrumental music) 2 00:00:02,209 --> 00:00:05,296 ♪ 3 00:00:06,256 --> 00:00:09,009 (Dynamic music) 4 00:00:09,134 --> 00:00:11,593 ♪ 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:21,103 (Text on screen) 6 00:00:25,524 --> 00:00:28,068 ♪ 7 00:00:35,743 --> 00:00:40,707 Cosimo Commisso, nice guy, family man, but... 8 00:00:40,832 --> 00:00:43,625 if you got on the wrong side of him, he'd kill you. 9 00:00:47,838 --> 00:00:51,259 He said to me, you are the only guy that's ever come 10 00:00:51,384 --> 00:00:54,512 to my house, met my wife, met my family. 11 00:00:57,765 --> 00:01:00,476 I wouldn't let anybody else in this house 12 00:01:00,601 --> 00:01:02,020 or even know where I live. 13 00:01:05,230 --> 00:01:06,356 He says, we trust you. 14 00:01:09,819 --> 00:01:11,612 If they thought for a second 15 00:01:11,695 --> 00:01:13,031 they couldn't trust me they will kill me. 16 00:01:16,867 --> 00:01:18,536 {\an8}♪ 17 00:01:18,620 --> 00:01:20,454 {\an8}The mob is what controls the world. 18 00:01:22,748 --> 00:01:24,834 {\an8}Drug Lord is one thing. 19 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:26,543 Bikers are another thing... 20 00:01:28,546 --> 00:01:32,634 but the mob controls banks, lawyers, policemen, 21 00:01:32,759 --> 00:01:35,344 money laundering, drugs. 22 00:01:35,469 --> 00:01:37,721 Worldwide, you're talking about $80 billion a year. 23 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:41,266 It's like an octopus. 24 00:01:41,350 --> 00:01:44,186 They have their fingers everywhere, every country, 25 00:01:44,311 --> 00:01:45,480 {\an8}it's never ending. 26 00:01:53,362 --> 00:01:58,450 {\an8}Most people are completely swamped by the American 27 00:01:58,534 --> 00:02:01,453 {\an8}mythology of organized crime. 28 00:02:01,578 --> 00:02:04,415 The reasons for the mob’s success are clear, 29 00:02:04,498 --> 00:02:07,835 organization and discipline, vows of secrecy and loyalty, 30 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,421 insulation of its leaders from direct criminal involvement. 31 00:02:11,506 --> 00:02:13,675 It's a very nasty world, very violent. 32 00:02:17,387 --> 00:02:20,431 There's not only Sicilians, there are those from Calabria, 33 00:02:20,514 --> 00:02:24,269 the southern part of Italy, the Calabrese called the ‘Ndrangheta 34 00:03:00,430 --> 00:03:04,600 The ‘Ndrangheta basically morphed from something in Italy, 35 00:03:04,725 --> 00:03:06,519 to the new world. 36 00:03:06,644 --> 00:03:09,229 It’s a very different situation here in Canada. 37 00:03:12,275 --> 00:03:17,237 Remo Commisso runs the Commisso clan in Toronto, Canada. 38 00:03:17,362 --> 00:03:19,782 If you wanted to draw a picture of a mafia leader, 39 00:03:19,907 --> 00:03:21,158 {\an8}he would be it. 40 00:03:26,413 --> 00:03:29,209 {\an8}They’re organized crime, murder incorporated. 41 00:03:29,292 --> 00:03:31,711 {\an8}They kill people and get away with it. 42 00:03:31,836 --> 00:03:35,882 {\an8}The Commisso were new Canadians who were more aggressive. 43 00:03:36,007 --> 00:03:41,387 There was a lot of money in getting people shot or scared 44 00:03:41,471 --> 00:03:42,764 or blown up. 45 00:03:44,389 --> 00:03:46,350 [explosion] 46 00:04:20,550 --> 00:04:22,845 I've known violence all my life. 47 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:30,394 Ever since grade school, was in kindergarten 48 00:04:30,478 --> 00:04:33,398 Fighting, fighting and fighting, never stopped. 49 00:04:36,442 --> 00:04:38,528 My name is Cecil Kirby. 50 00:04:38,653 --> 00:04:41,863 I worked as an enforcer for the Commisso crime family 51 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:45,826 from 1975 to 1981. 52 00:04:45,951 --> 00:04:47,870 Their reputation was very well-known. 53 00:04:53,041 --> 00:04:55,877 {\an8}You have to think of Remo and Cosimo as a unit really. 54 00:04:59,548 --> 00:05:01,466 {\an8}If you put a dartboard up on the wall 55 00:05:01,550 --> 00:05:03,927 and each square was a certain particular crime, 56 00:05:04,012 --> 00:05:05,887 just keep throwing darts at it 57 00:05:05,971 --> 00:05:08,682 and if they could make money on it, they did it. 58 00:05:08,807 --> 00:05:11,476 All the Commissos, Cosimo, Remo, Michael, 59 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,937 were all born in Calabria Italy. 60 00:05:14,021 --> 00:05:16,314 They left Italy to come to Canada 61 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,317 where they wouldn't get assassinated 62 00:05:18,358 --> 00:05:19,819 because there was a vendetta and a family feud 63 00:05:19,901 --> 00:05:22,362 with another mafia family there. 64 00:05:22,487 --> 00:05:25,490 And I believe their father was killed because of it. 65 00:05:25,574 --> 00:05:28,494 {\an8}Remo got into international drug trafficking. 66 00:05:28,577 --> 00:05:32,081 {\an8}He quickly became the brains of the Commisso crime family. 67 00:05:32,206 --> 00:05:35,250 Any report that I ever got on the Commissos, 68 00:05:35,375 --> 00:05:37,879 Remo was always identified as the leader. 69 00:05:38,004 --> 00:05:42,425 He is the boss of that clan. There's nobody else. 70 00:05:42,550 --> 00:05:44,468 I think I described it as the guy that could put on 71 00:05:44,552 --> 00:05:46,053 a hundred dollars Walmart suit 72 00:05:46,178 --> 00:05:47,971 and looked like it was an Armani. 73 00:05:48,055 --> 00:05:49,932 Always dressed to the max. 74 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:52,560 If you wanted to draw a picture of a mafia leader, 75 00:05:52,685 --> 00:05:54,687 he would be it. 76 00:05:54,728 --> 00:06:00,485 {\an8}Cosimo, his brother is what you would call the maid. 77 00:06:00,567 --> 00:06:03,028 {\an8}He'll do all the street cleaning. 78 00:06:03,112 --> 00:06:07,324 If Remo tells him something that this guy needs to go 79 00:06:07,408 --> 00:06:10,827 or this needs to be delivered, he does the dirty work. 80 00:06:13,331 --> 00:06:15,583 They were doing a distribution and making counterfeit money. 81 00:06:15,708 --> 00:06:18,920 They were doing extortion and then they branched out 82 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:24,716 into contract hits and getting people shot 83 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,011 or scared or blown up. 84 00:06:29,096 --> 00:06:32,016 He would rely on the likes of a Cecil Kirby, 85 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:35,435 it was Cosimo dealing with Cecil to do the dirty work. 86 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,814 He's not going to do it. 87 00:06:37,896 --> 00:06:41,608 He gets the instructions on what to do and he goes and does it. 88 00:06:46,154 --> 00:06:49,951 I was introduced to them in 1975. 89 00:06:51,369 --> 00:06:53,036 A friend of mine took me over to the Casa Commisso 90 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,415 on Lawrence Avenue and introduced me 91 00:06:55,497 --> 00:06:57,625 to Cosimo and Remo Commisso. 92 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:02,213 And they explained to me, 93 00:07:02,295 --> 00:07:04,548 we need you to do some work for us. 94 00:07:04,632 --> 00:07:07,802 Just collections, enforcing, 95 00:07:07,927 --> 00:07:11,680 beating people up... and killing people. 96 00:07:13,473 --> 00:07:14,934 I said, yeah, I got nothing else to do. 97 00:07:15,059 --> 00:07:16,394 Might as well. 98 00:07:18,187 --> 00:07:20,773 Cecil Kirby had quite a reputation as an enforcer. 99 00:07:20,857 --> 00:07:23,692 He had no conscience, no empathy. 100 00:07:23,817 --> 00:07:27,779 He loved the science of beating up people and he knew exactly 101 00:07:27,904 --> 00:07:31,617 how to break a leg to make sure he could hear the crack. 102 00:07:31,742 --> 00:07:34,454 Trust was the number one thing. 103 00:07:34,579 --> 00:07:36,413 They had to trust me 104 00:07:36,497 --> 00:07:38,708 and they knew from my reputation 105 00:07:38,790 --> 00:07:40,209 and other people that knew me that were friends of theirs, 106 00:07:40,334 --> 00:07:42,043 that they knew they could trust me. 107 00:07:49,134 --> 00:07:51,428 It was a wild period, the '70's. 108 00:07:52,721 --> 00:07:54,848 Paul Volpe was the closest thing to a mafia Don in Toronto 109 00:07:54,973 --> 00:07:56,975 at the time. 110 00:07:57,100 --> 00:07:59,812 Volpe was expanding in the construction industry. 111 00:07:59,937 --> 00:08:03,399 Paul Volpe was a really commanding figure. 112 00:08:16,286 --> 00:08:19,540 Volpe was known to be tied in with organized crime 113 00:08:19,665 --> 00:08:21,209 in the United States. 114 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:23,043 Had his own organization. 115 00:08:38,225 --> 00:08:43,147 Paul Volpe came from a non-mafia family, didn't speak Italian. 116 00:08:43,230 --> 00:08:47,692 He was born in Toronto, made these friends in the mafia 117 00:08:47,817 --> 00:08:50,028 families in New York and Vito DeFillipo 118 00:08:50,111 --> 00:08:53,490 was one of his partners, one of the Bonanno family people. 119 00:08:55,326 --> 00:08:59,663 But Paul Volpe had done what a lot of them do over the years. 120 00:08:59,746 --> 00:09:02,207 He'd gotten slightly respectable. 121 00:09:02,291 --> 00:09:06,294 He lived in a very suburban area where lawyers, doctors, 122 00:09:06,419 --> 00:09:08,004 and dentists would live in. 123 00:09:09,715 --> 00:09:14,052 He had just bought this huge estate called Fox Hill. 124 00:09:14,135 --> 00:09:16,721 Volpe means fox in English. 125 00:09:16,806 --> 00:09:18,765 He was involved in the construction industry. 126 00:09:18,890 --> 00:09:20,225 He was getting bribes. 127 00:09:20,268 --> 00:09:22,019 He was involved in Atlantic City. 128 00:09:22,102 --> 00:09:24,772 He was involved in many land deals in Toronto. 129 00:09:26,649 --> 00:09:29,527 The Commissos were the new kids on the block. 130 00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:34,907 They had none of the veneer that Volpe had. 131 00:09:34,990 --> 00:09:38,827 The Commissos were new Canadians who were more aggressive. 132 00:09:40,870 --> 00:09:44,292 Commissos were expanding in the criminal underworld 133 00:09:44,417 --> 00:09:48,044 and then they decided to kill Paul Volpe. 134 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:23,913 {\an8}My name is Charlie Yanover and I'm the last of the Volpe mob. 135 00:10:29,836 --> 00:10:31,839 {\an8}I’ve been charged with everything from conspiracy 136 00:10:31,964 --> 00:10:34,759 to murder to possession of drugs. 137 00:10:34,841 --> 00:10:36,760 I was in middle management. 138 00:10:36,844 --> 00:10:40,972 We'd say in Godfather terms, I would've been a capo. 139 00:10:41,097 --> 00:10:43,142 I had my own people. 140 00:10:43,225 --> 00:10:45,019 We did things for the boss. 141 00:10:46,729 --> 00:10:48,313 I'm trying to make it as simple as I can 142 00:10:48,397 --> 00:10:50,816 to make you understand 143 00:10:50,899 --> 00:10:54,611 because everybody's preconceived with this godfather bullshit 144 00:10:54,695 --> 00:10:59,283 and we were just a crew that went out and make a living. 145 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:04,080 Chucky Yanover, 146 00:11:04,163 --> 00:11:06,289 he grew up in an upper middle class Jewish family. 147 00:11:06,374 --> 00:11:07,957 He had everything. 148 00:11:08,042 --> 00:11:10,043 He didn't have to be an organized crime. 149 00:11:10,168 --> 00:11:12,797 He just wanted some excitement in his life. 150 00:11:16,216 --> 00:11:18,094 That was the heyday. 151 00:11:18,177 --> 00:11:21,681 We made money, drove fancy cars, had nice women. 152 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,890 Paul looked after all the gambling in the city. 153 00:11:26,143 --> 00:11:28,562 We had our lone shark office on Spadina. 154 00:11:30,313 --> 00:11:32,524 There was lots of heat around. 155 00:11:32,607 --> 00:11:36,653 The coppers were on us all the time, had 24-hour surveillance. 156 00:11:36,736 --> 00:11:38,322 It was a six to five operation. 157 00:11:38,405 --> 00:11:40,240 They put money out in the street 158 00:11:40,365 --> 00:11:42,368 and they expect to get paid every week, 159 00:11:42,493 --> 00:11:44,370 at least the interest on the money, 160 00:11:44,452 --> 00:11:46,706 which was 20 percent a week. 161 00:11:46,831 --> 00:11:48,416 If you have to borrow money that way, 162 00:11:48,499 --> 00:11:50,875 it's very difficult to make the payments 163 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,131 and people like Chuck would go out and threaten coerce. 164 00:11:56,256 --> 00:12:00,385 We went and collected money for services rendered 165 00:12:00,510 --> 00:12:01,678 or not rendered. 166 00:12:04,306 --> 00:12:05,807 Mostly not rendered. 167 00:12:11,272 --> 00:12:13,857 Toronto was a wide open city. 168 00:12:13,941 --> 00:12:17,945 Usually an organized crime faction takes its territory, 169 00:12:18,070 --> 00:12:20,280 but what you had in Toronto was Paul Volpe 170 00:12:20,405 --> 00:12:22,240 did what he wanted to do. 171 00:12:22,365 --> 00:12:25,034 The Commissos did what they wanted to do. 172 00:12:25,119 --> 00:12:28,371 It was pretty loose, but then things 173 00:12:28,456 --> 00:12:31,833 start to rock and roll and people say, well, wait a minute, 174 00:12:31,958 --> 00:12:33,711 maybe this is my territory. 175 00:12:45,346 --> 00:12:50,101 Cecil Kirby, he's a creature of habit, 176 00:12:50,186 --> 00:12:51,979 didn't look like a gangster at all. 177 00:12:52,062 --> 00:12:55,982 He was short, maybe about 5'7", 5' 8", red hair. 178 00:12:56,107 --> 00:12:57,985 If you look into his eyes. 179 00:12:58,110 --> 00:13:00,321 Dead. Dead eyes. 180 00:13:00,446 --> 00:13:02,822 The eyes of a psychopathic killer. 181 00:13:02,947 --> 00:13:06,243 Cecil Kirby was hired by the Commissos in the '70's 182 00:13:06,326 --> 00:13:08,077 to essentially be a thug. 183 00:13:08,162 --> 00:13:09,871 He was a street enforcer. 184 00:13:09,955 --> 00:13:11,414 If the Commissos were in a feud with someone 185 00:13:11,499 --> 00:13:13,042 or someone owed them money, 186 00:13:13,167 --> 00:13:15,168 they sent out their guy, Cecil Kirby. 187 00:13:15,293 --> 00:13:17,379 I knew when I started working for 'em, I thought, 188 00:13:17,504 --> 00:13:20,256 how long could I last before they try and kill me? 189 00:13:27,096 --> 00:13:29,807 First bombing I did was a pop truck, 190 00:13:29,892 --> 00:13:31,894 blew the back off the pickup truck. 191 00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:34,812 Cosimo, he was just overjoyed with that one. 192 00:13:34,938 --> 00:13:36,315 He just loved that. 193 00:13:36,398 --> 00:13:38,484 He says, just keep up the good work. 194 00:13:38,609 --> 00:13:42,111 So next bombing was King's Cross Estate 195 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:45,157 where I put two sticks of dynamite in the mailbox... 196 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,076 [explosion] 197 00:13:48,118 --> 00:13:49,995 That went over good. 198 00:13:50,078 --> 00:13:53,791 Next bombing was Hamilton, John Ryan. 199 00:13:53,874 --> 00:13:55,333 There was a Camaro there one night 200 00:13:55,375 --> 00:13:56,836 and I put four sticks of dynamite 201 00:13:56,918 --> 00:13:58,336 on top of the rear tire. 202 00:13:58,419 --> 00:14:01,881 Lit It. Took off and I heard it go off. 203 00:14:02,006 --> 00:14:03,841 [explosion] 204 00:14:03,926 --> 00:14:05,344 Sounded like two freight trains hitting together, 205 00:14:05,427 --> 00:14:07,971 ripped the back of that car to pieces. 206 00:14:11,392 --> 00:14:14,519 Dennis Mason, Cosimo wanted him killed. 207 00:14:14,602 --> 00:14:18,065 He was supposedly a witness against one of Cosimo's friends. 208 00:14:19,899 --> 00:14:22,403 I put three sticks of dynamite in his car, 209 00:14:22,528 --> 00:14:24,238 wired to the wiper fuse. 210 00:14:26,197 --> 00:14:27,740 [explosion] 211 00:14:27,825 --> 00:14:30,076 I heard the next day the bomb went off, 212 00:14:30,201 --> 00:14:32,413 but it just smoked the inside of the car. 213 00:14:32,538 --> 00:14:34,038 Bad, dynamite. 214 00:14:34,163 --> 00:14:36,166 Lucky kid. 215 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:40,211 That I heard later on from the police, that wrong guy, 216 00:14:40,336 --> 00:14:42,840 {\an8}this is not the right Dennis Mason. 217 00:14:44,424 --> 00:14:47,010 {\an8}I think about a quarter of them were mistaken. 218 00:14:47,094 --> 00:14:49,304 {\an8}They got the wrong person. 219 00:14:49,429 --> 00:14:51,347 He did occasionally get the right person. 220 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:54,475 And then there was the Chinese restaurant 221 00:14:54,601 --> 00:14:57,020 out Elizabeth Street in Chinatown. 222 00:14:57,770 --> 00:14:59,940 The owner owed a gambling debt. 223 00:15:01,817 --> 00:15:04,193 Now that was 100 sticks of dynamite in two cases. 224 00:15:14,163 --> 00:15:17,291 I went in the restaurant, ordered a meal to go, 225 00:15:21,044 --> 00:15:23,547 went in the bathroom, lifted up the ceiling tiles 226 00:15:23,630 --> 00:15:25,883 and put those two cases in there. 227 00:15:27,342 --> 00:15:29,219 I was told that nobody would be in that restaurant 228 00:15:29,302 --> 00:15:33,432 and I phoned it at 1:00 in the morning, never got an answer. 229 00:15:33,557 --> 00:15:36,018 [phone rings] 230 00:15:36,726 --> 00:15:38,979 [explosion] 231 00:15:40,773 --> 00:15:43,274 I was awakened by this horrible explosion. 232 00:15:43,399 --> 00:15:46,195 It sounded as if it happened right in the hotel 233 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,197 and I thought probably the whole hotel was blowing up 234 00:15:49,322 --> 00:15:51,033 or something. 235 00:15:51,115 --> 00:15:53,284 The explosion started in the back kitchen 236 00:15:53,409 --> 00:15:57,038 and it followed a shaft over to the north side of the building 237 00:15:57,163 --> 00:15:58,624 and went up and through the washroom 238 00:15:58,706 --> 00:16:00,918 and it was quite extensive. 239 00:16:03,044 --> 00:16:05,464 The bomb went off and blew the owner across the restaurant 240 00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:07,091 and killed the cook. 241 00:16:08,676 --> 00:16:10,385 That was the worst thing right there. 242 00:16:11,427 --> 00:16:13,013 Innocent bystander. 243 00:16:15,307 --> 00:16:18,226 They blew up the cars of people they didn't like. 244 00:16:18,351 --> 00:16:20,980 There were bombings under beds in hotels. 245 00:16:21,062 --> 00:16:23,981 There were bombings at businesses 246 00:16:24,066 --> 00:16:27,360 not paying the extortion fees they were supposed to pay 247 00:16:27,485 --> 00:16:31,155 or there was a grudge against somebody just to send a message. 248 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,573 Don't mess with us. 249 00:16:34,201 --> 00:16:35,660 Next bombing. 250 00:16:35,744 --> 00:16:37,162 Well, I met Cosimo and he said to me, 251 00:16:37,287 --> 00:16:40,499 his wife and her mother were at this restaurant 252 00:16:40,624 --> 00:16:42,500 called Napoleon’s 253 00:16:42,583 --> 00:16:44,378 and he says they threw them out of the restaurant. 254 00:16:44,503 --> 00:16:46,422 They told him to leave and get the hell out 255 00:16:46,547 --> 00:16:48,256 and he says, I need some revenge. 256 00:16:51,384 --> 00:16:54,096 Read about it the next day in a newspaper, 257 00:16:54,221 --> 00:16:57,640 the wrought iron bars that were on the outside of the window, 258 00:16:57,725 --> 00:17:00,059 one went right through the window 259 00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:01,979 and missed the one woman by about a foot with her head. 260 00:17:02,062 --> 00:17:03,647 Almost took her head off. 261 00:17:03,730 --> 00:17:05,648 They got cut with a lot of glass. 262 00:17:05,732 --> 00:17:08,568 They were hurt, but they survived. 263 00:17:08,693 --> 00:17:10,570 Cosimo, I talked to him about it. 264 00:17:10,653 --> 00:17:12,405 I told him, I said, understand that people got hurt 265 00:17:12,530 --> 00:17:14,157 and he says, so what? 266 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,160 He says, we got the point across. 267 00:17:17,869 --> 00:17:19,163 You just didn't bad mouth these people 268 00:17:19,246 --> 00:17:20,622 because they were violent. 269 00:17:20,705 --> 00:17:23,250 They take their status sincerely. 270 00:17:34,595 --> 00:17:36,430 Cosimo was a ballroom dancer, 271 00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:39,098 professional ballroom dancer of all things. 272 00:17:40,726 --> 00:17:43,103 That sort of shocked me. 273 00:17:43,228 --> 00:17:45,189 That’s where he met his wife. 274 00:17:47,607 --> 00:17:49,734 Cecil Kirby had a great job with the Commissos for a few years, 275 00:17:49,859 --> 00:17:52,779 blowing up cars, frightening people, 276 00:17:52,904 --> 00:17:56,115 but they never paid him his full salary. 277 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,452 He was offered $500, he would get $200. 278 00:17:59,577 --> 00:18:02,663 He was offered $2000, he would get $500 279 00:18:02,789 --> 00:18:06,626 and even for hits, he wasn't paid the full amount. 280 00:18:08,586 --> 00:18:12,089 It's like they always had to owe me money, 281 00:18:12,173 --> 00:18:16,385 sort of like keeping me on the hook, keeping me around. 282 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:19,722 Always owe somebody money. Don't ever pay them in full. 283 00:18:22,643 --> 00:18:25,770 The Commissos, they never knew anything but the mob. 284 00:18:25,854 --> 00:18:29,441 I know a lot of sons and grandsons of mafia people, 285 00:18:29,525 --> 00:18:32,443 particularly if they're from a name Mafia family 286 00:18:32,568 --> 00:18:37,615 like the Commissos, they almost don't have a choice 287 00:18:37,740 --> 00:18:41,662 and if they decide not to be in the mob, it's very hard. 288 00:18:49,795 --> 00:18:54,258 I was born into a mafia family that came from Italy. 289 00:18:56,509 --> 00:18:58,595 I would always say like Jesus, 290 00:18:58,679 --> 00:19:01,306 my father's got a lot of friends. 291 00:19:01,390 --> 00:19:04,101 Wow, that's nice. They give him money. 292 00:19:06,185 --> 00:19:09,314 My father bought a Cadillac once and he said to me, 293 00:19:09,397 --> 00:19:11,316 when you grow up, you can have one of these. 294 00:19:11,441 --> 00:19:16,696 If you do the right thing, I could get you in, 295 00:19:16,821 --> 00:19:19,449 but you have to prove to me who you are. 296 00:19:22,493 --> 00:19:27,164 Downstairs at the Casa Commisso there was the cellar. 297 00:19:27,290 --> 00:19:32,421 You go downstairs and there was five superior main men. 298 00:19:33,922 --> 00:19:35,507 They make a circle. 299 00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:37,550 You go in the middle of the circle. 300 00:19:37,675 --> 00:19:42,346 Once they fold their arms, the first main guy speaks 301 00:19:42,431 --> 00:19:45,474 and you'll have a little card in your hand. 302 00:19:45,558 --> 00:19:47,853 The second guy starts speaking. 303 00:19:47,935 --> 00:19:51,355 Then they burn the card in your hand 304 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,484 and they tell you the way this card is burning, 305 00:19:55,568 --> 00:19:58,113 so shall you and your body burn 306 00:19:58,238 --> 00:20:03,660 if you ever, ever betray this organization. 307 00:20:03,743 --> 00:20:10,709 They say (speaks Italian). 308 00:20:10,791 --> 00:20:13,878 That means we hand you a loaded gun 309 00:20:13,961 --> 00:20:18,592 in your left hand and in the right hand you have the world. 310 00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:22,762 If they say to you, you got to go hit this guy, 311 00:20:22,887 --> 00:20:24,722 well, that's what the gun represents. 312 00:20:24,847 --> 00:20:26,724 You're going to do it. 313 00:20:26,849 --> 00:20:32,189 The world means to behave, to never betray us. 314 00:20:32,271 --> 00:20:36,276 Whatever you do for us, you shut your mouth, 315 00:20:36,401 --> 00:20:40,821 take your lumps, whatever it is, you take it. 316 00:20:40,948 --> 00:20:43,450 You never betray this organization. 317 00:20:49,330 --> 00:20:51,625 When people came into the city, they would go 318 00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:55,252 to the Casa Commisso, let the Commissos know we're in town. 319 00:20:55,378 --> 00:21:00,842 It was like going to the Vatican and paying homage to the Pope. 320 00:21:02,719 --> 00:21:05,513 They're coming in to kiss the ring and not cause any problems. 321 00:21:07,807 --> 00:21:09,726 The Casa Commisso, walk in the front door 322 00:21:09,809 --> 00:21:11,979 and off to the right side 323 00:21:12,061 --> 00:21:14,271 there's about four or five tables there and they're always 324 00:21:14,397 --> 00:21:18,777 playing cards or some Italian game at that table. 325 00:21:18,902 --> 00:21:21,696 I'd always go in the back door, not the front door 326 00:21:21,821 --> 00:21:25,284 because the RCMP or metro cops were always watching it. 327 00:21:25,409 --> 00:21:27,827 The cook inside the kitchen would open up the door for me 328 00:21:27,952 --> 00:21:30,955 and let me in and she'd always make me something to eat too 329 00:21:31,038 --> 00:21:32,958 while I was there. 330 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,460 The cops said to me years later, we never, ever 331 00:21:35,585 --> 00:21:37,796 got a picture of you going into this place. 332 00:21:37,878 --> 00:21:40,715 I said, well, next time you want to watch the back door too. 333 00:21:42,425 --> 00:21:46,471 We had a dedicated surveillance team that was called Special O, 334 00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:51,559 and Special O would do a lot of the work on the day-to-day 335 00:21:51,684 --> 00:21:54,563 surveillance of the Casa Commisso. 336 00:21:56,355 --> 00:21:57,941 They would have Italian weddings there. 337 00:21:58,025 --> 00:21:59,901 They would have stags for the weddings. 338 00:22:00,027 --> 00:22:04,448 So it would be a who's who of the local mafia 339 00:22:04,530 --> 00:22:05,990 showing up to these things. 340 00:22:06,074 --> 00:22:07,867 So it was valuable information for us. 341 00:22:10,996 --> 00:22:13,498 One of the ripest target situations 342 00:22:13,623 --> 00:22:16,625 that you could come up with was a mob funeral. 343 00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:18,627 All the mobsters would be there. 344 00:22:18,711 --> 00:22:20,422 {\an8}They would all be pallbearers or walking in and out. 345 00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:21,882 {\an8}Great surveillance footage. 346 00:22:23,717 --> 00:22:26,010 {\an8}To do surveillance, you needed this beaten up old van, 347 00:22:26,094 --> 00:22:27,846 which you would slap a sign on saying 348 00:22:27,971 --> 00:22:30,347 so and so’s gardening service 349 00:22:30,473 --> 00:22:34,060 or Ontario Hydro, and you would drive the van up 350 00:22:34,185 --> 00:22:36,980 and there would be a two-way window in there, 351 00:22:37,064 --> 00:22:39,398 and you'd have a cameraman inside. 352 00:22:41,067 --> 00:22:42,527 Martin Burke had a reputation 353 00:22:42,652 --> 00:22:44,528 as a gung-ho investigative reporter. 354 00:22:44,653 --> 00:22:46,239 He'd been in Vietnam. 355 00:22:46,323 --> 00:22:47,865 And you have to remember back in the '70's 356 00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:49,785 when we were doing this, 357 00:22:49,867 --> 00:22:51,452 there were only a couple of channels on television. 358 00:22:51,577 --> 00:22:54,830 So when connections was on in June of '77, 359 00:22:54,914 --> 00:22:57,666 everyone stopped what they were doing and watched it. 360 00:23:01,212 --> 00:23:04,048 There was this series called Connections that CBC had aired 361 00:23:04,132 --> 00:23:08,345 back in the '70’s and it was the most unbelievable exposé 362 00:23:08,428 --> 00:23:10,346 of organized crime. 363 00:23:10,430 --> 00:23:13,016 Even still to this day when I watch it I’m in awe, 364 00:23:13,099 --> 00:23:16,060 I can’t believe the balls that these journalists had 365 00:23:16,185 --> 00:23:18,896 to go after these mobsters like this. 366 00:23:19,021 --> 00:23:21,775 To put together undercover scenarios, 367 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:24,653 the techniques they used which at the time were revolutionary. 368 00:23:26,946 --> 00:23:29,031 There was no footage of any of these people. 369 00:23:29,115 --> 00:23:30,700 If you're doing a film about politics, 370 00:23:30,784 --> 00:23:32,786 you can always get tons of footage there. 371 00:23:32,868 --> 00:23:35,079 If you're doing film about sports, there's tons of footage. 372 00:23:35,163 --> 00:23:37,749 This, there was zero footage, 373 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,835 so we had to create our own footage 374 00:23:42,628 --> 00:23:44,297 And it was pretty dramatic stuff. 375 00:23:50,261 --> 00:23:53,597 We had Johnny Papalia saying, I'll eat your eyes out 376 00:23:53,722 --> 00:23:56,643 you motherfucking, cocksucking prick, 377 00:23:56,768 --> 00:24:00,646 and we had Volpe explaining how he would, 378 00:24:00,771 --> 00:24:01,940 you can only kill a stool pigeon, 379 00:24:02,065 --> 00:24:04,567 can't leave them alive. 380 00:24:04,651 --> 00:24:06,944 They had stool pigeons all over the world, 381 00:24:07,069 --> 00:24:11,490 and the minute the stool pigeon gets killed, someone kills them, 382 00:24:11,615 --> 00:24:13,785 which to me is rightly so. 383 00:24:13,868 --> 00:24:15,537 You got to kill them, you got to get them out of the way. 384 00:24:15,662 --> 00:24:18,498 Anybody's an informer, only looking to hurt people. 385 00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:23,420 One day we had heard that there was some big meeting happening 386 00:24:23,502 --> 00:24:26,923 and it would happen at the Casa Commisso. 387 00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:29,634 Our thing was we would go up there 388 00:24:29,718 --> 00:24:31,135 and we would park with all the cars 389 00:24:31,219 --> 00:24:32,761 in front of the Casa Commisso 390 00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:35,640 and see if anybody came and went. 391 00:24:35,723 --> 00:24:38,143 So we did that, but there was a little problem. 392 00:24:38,268 --> 00:24:39,769 There were no cars. 393 00:24:39,853 --> 00:24:41,605 It was the middle of the week 394 00:24:41,688 --> 00:24:43,440 and like 2:00 in the afternoon or something, 395 00:24:43,522 --> 00:24:45,858 and we stuck out like a sore thumb. 396 00:24:47,736 --> 00:24:53,825 And so I get out of the van and I go into the Casa Commisso, 397 00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:57,828 open the door, and it was an opening of a door 398 00:24:57,953 --> 00:25:00,123 right into a major meeting hall 399 00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:04,169 And Martin Burke, our director, went to interview Remo. 400 00:25:04,294 --> 00:25:06,546 He asked for him at the door. 401 00:25:06,671 --> 00:25:08,839 The trick was to get him to stay at the door long enough. 402 00:25:08,923 --> 00:25:12,509 We had our cameraman in the parking lot of the Casa Commisso 403 00:25:12,594 --> 00:25:15,596 shooting this, and he was wearing a hidden mic. 404 00:25:15,721 --> 00:25:18,182 There was no vestibule, there was no other door. 405 00:25:18,307 --> 00:25:20,184 You just opened the door and there you were 406 00:25:20,309 --> 00:25:21,853 right in the middle. 407 00:25:21,894 --> 00:25:23,104 And there was a meeting going on. 408 00:25:24,564 --> 00:25:25,856 Remo was at the head of the table 409 00:25:25,981 --> 00:25:28,151 commanding all these other guys, 410 00:25:28,234 --> 00:25:30,694 and I looked around the table and recognized 411 00:25:30,778 --> 00:25:34,824 several of the faces from surveillance footage 412 00:25:34,907 --> 00:25:38,202 that we had gotten from various cops. 413 00:25:38,327 --> 00:25:41,705 I realized I had blundered right into the meeting 414 00:25:41,789 --> 00:25:44,875 that was rumored to happen, 415 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,086 which was not a very smart thing to do. 416 00:25:48,672 --> 00:25:50,632 He said, are you Remo Commisso? 417 00:25:50,714 --> 00:25:53,050 And he said, who wants to know who Remo Commisso - 418 00:25:53,175 --> 00:25:55,428 you know the usual. 419 00:25:55,511 --> 00:25:57,305 And they had this banter, but he kept it going for a while. 420 00:25:57,430 --> 00:26:01,268 Then finally Remo said, get in here. 421 00:26:01,393 --> 00:26:04,645 And he said, mmhmm, I'm not going in there. 422 00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:08,023 So he decided to get out of there as fast as he could. 423 00:26:08,107 --> 00:26:12,737 Remo was indignant, furious, racing after me 424 00:26:12,820 --> 00:26:16,240 out into the parking lot and I quietly backpedalled out. 425 00:26:16,324 --> 00:26:19,576 And he's really yelling, he's really indignant 426 00:26:19,702 --> 00:26:21,704 and you didn't know where that was going to go. 427 00:26:22,955 --> 00:26:26,625 The van was sitting there in the middle of a huge parking lot 428 00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:28,586 and I could not get back to it without attracting 429 00:26:28,711 --> 00:26:30,171 enormous attention. 430 00:26:30,297 --> 00:26:32,589 [phone rings] 431 00:26:32,715 --> 00:26:34,467 I got the call 432 00:26:34,550 --> 00:26:35,844 and he was worried because he had left Francis 433 00:26:35,969 --> 00:26:39,055 the intrepid cameraman in the parking lot. 434 00:26:39,138 --> 00:26:43,226 So he said to me, get the cops. 435 00:26:43,309 --> 00:26:46,895 And a couple of police cars escorted me back to the van. 436 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:49,941 We were very lucky to be able to get back to that van. 437 00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:52,777 And they'd never realized that they were being filmed 438 00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:56,573 until they saw it on television, on June, 1977. 439 00:26:57,865 --> 00:26:59,784 Remo Commisso has established 440 00:26:59,826 --> 00:27:02,621 contacts with organized criminals across the country. 441 00:27:02,703 --> 00:27:05,289 He now operates from the Casa Commisso banquet hall 442 00:27:05,373 --> 00:27:07,791 on Lawrence Avenue. 443 00:27:07,875 --> 00:27:10,670 A location often frequented by those with criminal records. 444 00:27:17,176 --> 00:27:19,054 In 1979 when they had the Connection show 445 00:27:19,136 --> 00:27:24,726 and they outed me as a gangster, things changed. 446 00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:29,939 And that was from my good friend Jim Dubro who wrote the book. 447 00:27:30,022 --> 00:27:33,233 There are other less fashionable addresses in Paul Volpe’s life, 448 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,113 such as suite 201 on the second floor of a dingy office building 449 00:27:37,196 --> 00:27:39,449 at College and Spadina in Toronto. 450 00:27:39,531 --> 00:27:43,118 According to police, Volpe, his brother Frank and Nate Clagerman 451 00:27:43,202 --> 00:27:46,705 operate huge loan sharking operations from this location. 452 00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:50,710 We were in the real estate business. 453 00:27:50,835 --> 00:27:52,628 We had all the buildings down at Parliament 454 00:27:52,711 --> 00:27:53,962 and King and Queen Street. 455 00:27:54,047 --> 00:27:55,714 They owned the city TV building 456 00:27:55,839 --> 00:27:58,343 and all the warehouses in Berkeley Street. 457 00:27:58,468 --> 00:28:00,845 And the night after the Connection show, 458 00:28:00,929 --> 00:28:06,393 the banks called all our loans and cost us a $100 million. 459 00:28:06,518 --> 00:28:07,644 So... 460 00:28:09,770 --> 00:28:13,232 -[barking] - You guys behave yourself. In the garage. 461 00:28:15,567 --> 00:28:19,029 The cops used to come in and tap your phones and wire your houses 462 00:28:19,154 --> 00:28:20,781 whenever they could. 463 00:28:20,906 --> 00:28:22,826 Just, you had to be alert. You don't talk. 464 00:28:22,909 --> 00:28:25,662 You have to know what you're doing 24 hours a day. 465 00:28:39,843 --> 00:28:43,054 We were posted to Toronto drug section. 466 00:28:43,179 --> 00:28:45,848 We were on what they call the international team, 467 00:28:45,932 --> 00:28:47,851 international squad. 468 00:28:47,933 --> 00:28:51,061 Primarily what we did was pursue heroin prosecutions. 469 00:28:51,145 --> 00:28:54,691 Heroin was fondly referred to as the mounty drug. 470 00:28:57,067 --> 00:28:58,862 We all started working the street 471 00:28:58,944 --> 00:29:01,280 and working our way up to different levels. 472 00:29:02,615 --> 00:29:06,118 Ounce dealers, half-pound deal, that type of thing. 473 00:29:06,243 --> 00:29:09,204 The heroin would come in various methods, 474 00:29:09,288 --> 00:29:11,458 but mostly it was body packed. 475 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:14,419 There was a constant flow of Italians back and forth 476 00:29:14,501 --> 00:29:16,378 between here and Italy. 477 00:29:16,462 --> 00:29:20,133 Two 747s arriving every day, Alitalia and Air Canada. 478 00:29:20,258 --> 00:29:22,093 So at 4:00 every afternoon 479 00:29:22,218 --> 00:29:25,888 you would have 800-900 Italian folks 480 00:29:25,971 --> 00:29:28,767 arriving at the airport in Toronto 481 00:29:28,849 --> 00:29:31,810 and some of them were bad guys. 482 00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:39,778 So we started a dialogue with the Italian authorities 483 00:29:39,861 --> 00:29:41,863 and inch by inch, 484 00:29:41,988 --> 00:29:44,281 we worked our way up into these organizations 485 00:29:44,406 --> 00:29:46,785 and we followed every instinct we could. 486 00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:48,952 But it was like you know, baking a cake right? 487 00:29:48,994 --> 00:29:52,707 You had to be prepared to sit there and watch it cook. 488 00:29:52,832 --> 00:29:56,669 And the conspiracies developing took weeks, months. 489 00:29:58,671 --> 00:30:03,134 The idea was making money how fast and how much. 490 00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:05,303 So the way it works is you've got 491 00:30:05,345 --> 00:30:07,971 the people on the street level, the mafia, the soldiers, 492 00:30:08,096 --> 00:30:10,307 they're the ones committing the crime. 493 00:30:10,391 --> 00:30:12,977 Whatever crime they commit, however they generate the money, 494 00:30:13,060 --> 00:30:14,770 part of that money, it's bubbled up 495 00:30:14,854 --> 00:30:17,272 to their immediate supervisor, so to speak. 496 00:30:17,356 --> 00:30:21,152 Then it goes up the chain and eventually it ends up 497 00:30:21,277 --> 00:30:23,779 in Cosimo and Remo’s hands. 498 00:30:25,615 --> 00:30:27,784 It's almost like I guess a pyramid scheme. 499 00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:32,497 We were certainly satisfied that we knew who was behind it all, 500 00:30:32,622 --> 00:30:34,790 but convicting him was no easy task. 501 00:30:34,874 --> 00:30:37,794 We got a significant number of these guys 502 00:30:37,876 --> 00:30:40,421 both here and in Vancouver. 503 00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,589 We had a guy from Italy, came over, 504 00:30:42,714 --> 00:30:45,844 did a deal with us right in a hotel in Toronto. 505 00:30:45,926 --> 00:30:47,470 It was almost a kilo. 506 00:30:47,554 --> 00:30:50,722 It was 94 or 96 percent pure. 507 00:30:53,268 --> 00:30:54,434 We charged 30 people. 508 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:56,144 We convicted every one of them, 509 00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:59,022 which is really rare with Commissos. 510 00:30:59,106 --> 00:31:01,025 The reality is they're the focus 511 00:31:01,150 --> 00:31:03,819 and boy, would it be nice to charge these guys, 512 00:31:03,903 --> 00:31:05,946 but sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. 513 00:31:06,071 --> 00:31:07,865 As they say, sometimes you get the bear, 514 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:08,991 sometimes the bear gets you. 515 00:31:11,076 --> 00:31:13,997 The bosses rarely, if ever, touched the drugs, 516 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:15,664 and unfortunately in our case, 517 00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:18,166 that was specifically what happened to us. 518 00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:19,711 They just never went near the stuff 519 00:31:19,751 --> 00:31:21,503 and we never had enough to charge them. 520 00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:30,305 If you don't have informants, 521 00:31:30,387 --> 00:31:31,931 you're not going to last very long doing this job. 522 00:31:35,476 --> 00:31:37,436 Around '78 or '79, 523 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,396 a meeting I had with Cosimo at the Casa Commisso, 524 00:31:39,521 --> 00:31:41,732 he said to me, 525 00:31:41,816 --> 00:31:46,194 I need this Italian mob boss in Italy killed, Momo Piromali 526 00:31:46,278 --> 00:31:48,615 Italian courts were looking into his wealth 527 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,532 and his mafia activities. 528 00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:58,875 They made international headlines when they kidnapped 529 00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:01,044 John Paul Getty III, 530 00:32:01,126 --> 00:32:04,963 the nephew of American Oil billionaire John Paul Getty. 531 00:32:05,088 --> 00:32:10,553 They cut off his ear in order to get $3.2 million in ransom. 532 00:32:14,598 --> 00:32:17,268 He said, they'll fly me there, pay for all my expenses, 533 00:32:17,393 --> 00:32:19,103 and he said, somebody there will take me 534 00:32:19,228 --> 00:32:21,314 and show me where the guy lives. 535 00:32:21,439 --> 00:32:23,566 And after that, it's in my hands. 536 00:32:25,233 --> 00:32:28,112 It made me suspicious. 537 00:32:28,195 --> 00:32:29,948 I'm a Irish guy, not, I'm not Italian. 538 00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:31,865 I can't speak Italian. 539 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:33,492 I said, I'm going to stand out everywhere I'm at. 540 00:32:33,617 --> 00:32:35,369 Good place to get rid of me, in Italy. 541 00:32:35,494 --> 00:32:38,080 Dig a go hole on the ground, bury me. 542 00:32:38,163 --> 00:32:40,208 That's the end of it, period. 543 00:32:41,667 --> 00:32:43,419 I said, no, it ain't going to happen. 544 00:32:43,502 --> 00:32:45,922 I know for a fact I would've never came back. 545 00:32:48,298 --> 00:32:51,094 I would've killed him and one of Cossimmo’s men over there 546 00:32:51,176 --> 00:32:52,511 would've killed me. 547 00:32:55,138 --> 00:32:58,183 It's the first time I actually refused and I thought, 548 00:32:58,308 --> 00:33:00,936 well, I just have to keep my wits about me 549 00:33:01,019 --> 00:33:03,522 when I'm dealing with these people. 550 00:33:03,647 --> 00:33:05,650 I knew what I started working for 'em. 551 00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:08,361 I thought, how long could I last working for these guys? 552 00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:11,071 Because the reputation with the mob guy is 553 00:33:11,196 --> 00:33:14,157 they only last three to five years, 554 00:33:14,282 --> 00:33:16,702 and this was getting close to the end of the fifth year, 555 00:33:16,827 --> 00:33:20,580 and I thought, where am I going to have to go, 556 00:33:20,707 --> 00:33:23,041 where am I going to retire to get away from these guys. 557 00:33:24,961 --> 00:33:28,297 Being a enforcer, a hit man, you know too much. 558 00:33:28,381 --> 00:33:30,008 Sooner or later, there's a bullet for you 559 00:33:30,090 --> 00:33:32,300 right around the corner. 560 00:33:32,384 --> 00:33:36,096 Cecil reached the stage where he realizes and rightfully so, 561 00:33:36,221 --> 00:33:37,973 he knows too much. 562 00:33:38,057 --> 00:33:40,977 I mean it's history, it's everywhere. 563 00:33:41,059 --> 00:33:42,519 It happened in New York with Gotti 564 00:33:42,603 --> 00:33:44,646 when his right-hand man turned on him 565 00:33:44,730 --> 00:33:46,941 because he knew his days were numbered. 566 00:33:48,067 --> 00:33:50,569 Cecil, he's nothing to the Commissos, he knows that. 567 00:33:50,694 --> 00:33:53,029 They could drop him on a dime 568 00:33:53,114 --> 00:33:55,700 and there'll be another Cecil Kirby come along. 569 00:33:55,825 --> 00:33:59,119 And people like that, they come forward. 570 00:34:12,257 --> 00:34:15,344 Well, like I took about two weeks to think about this. 571 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,273 At the time I was up on some criminal charges and I thought, 572 00:34:28,398 --> 00:34:30,693 well, let's see what I can do with the charges, 573 00:34:30,777 --> 00:34:34,112 because sometimes you give an offer to the cops, you can walk. 574 00:34:36,449 --> 00:34:40,036 So I phoned the RCMP and CIS. 575 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,371 I said to them, I said, I got some information 576 00:34:42,454 --> 00:34:44,664 that you guys might want to know about. 577 00:34:44,748 --> 00:34:48,418 The guy who answered the phone there was Corporal Mark Murphy. 578 00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,588 Kirby said he had to meet him in half an hour 579 00:34:50,630 --> 00:34:53,340 to find out everything about organized crime in Toronto 580 00:34:53,465 --> 00:34:55,009 from the inside. 581 00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,766 I said, why don't you meet me at Casa Loma? 582 00:35:01,849 --> 00:35:06,603 So the RCMP corporal showed up there. 583 00:35:06,686 --> 00:35:08,688 I'm in the car talking to him and I said, look, 584 00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:11,733 I got some information on members of organized crime 585 00:35:11,818 --> 00:35:14,112 if we can do a deal. 586 00:35:14,195 --> 00:35:16,322 So I gave him some names and he just sat there 587 00:35:16,447 --> 00:35:18,615 just sort of silently 588 00:35:18,699 --> 00:35:23,829 like bells going off in his head and I said, think about it, 589 00:35:23,954 --> 00:35:27,125 but I'm not just going to hand these guys over to you. 590 00:35:27,250 --> 00:35:31,628 He was really hot in a trot to get these guys arrested. 591 00:35:31,753 --> 00:35:35,298 He wanted me to become police informant 592 00:35:35,423 --> 00:35:38,260 and I was taking my time about it, really thinking about it. 593 00:35:40,429 --> 00:35:44,474 It's a real difference between a police informant 594 00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:46,393 and the police agent. 595 00:35:46,518 --> 00:35:48,311 Police informant just gives information, 596 00:35:48,396 --> 00:35:50,773 may or may not ever testify. 597 00:35:50,856 --> 00:35:55,277 An agent actually goes out and does stuff for the police. 598 00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:58,530 And I said, I want your assurance 599 00:35:58,614 --> 00:36:01,324 you're not going to burn me or stab me in the back. 600 00:36:01,409 --> 00:36:03,827 Me trusting the RCMP hundred percent? 601 00:36:03,911 --> 00:36:05,788 That will never happen. 602 00:36:05,871 --> 00:36:09,625 Becoming a police informant, not a good thing to do. 603 00:36:09,708 --> 00:36:11,376 Should I have just walked outside, 604 00:36:11,501 --> 00:36:13,170 shot myself in the head? 605 00:36:13,253 --> 00:36:14,713 Maybe so, but I didn't. 606 00:36:17,925 --> 00:36:20,510 Over the years, the number of attempts that have been made 607 00:36:20,594 --> 00:36:22,722 to try to get close to the Commisso family... 608 00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:25,599 First of all, the best way to get there 609 00:36:25,724 --> 00:36:27,726 is to infiltrate, and believe me, 610 00:36:27,851 --> 00:36:31,856 policemen have been trying for decades to infiltrate, 611 00:36:31,981 --> 00:36:35,233 but nothing has been that good in Canada 612 00:36:35,358 --> 00:36:37,320 and that close to what Cecil did. 613 00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:43,867 It's a tremendous risk because first of all, 614 00:36:43,951 --> 00:36:50,333 he's crossed Cosimo and that's bad because that gets reflected 615 00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:52,918 throughout the organized crime community. 616 00:36:53,043 --> 00:36:57,215 And so we decided that we would give him immunity 617 00:36:57,297 --> 00:37:01,885 and then the case was how now do we get corroboration? 618 00:37:01,969 --> 00:37:04,931 And not only that, but the level of corroboration 619 00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:09,184 had to be extremely high... like a wiretap. 620 00:37:15,565 --> 00:37:18,193 After I got the immunity agreement, I was wired up. 621 00:37:18,277 --> 00:37:20,445 My car was all wired up for sound. 622 00:37:22,447 --> 00:37:25,326 Cosimo, one day he says to me, I can trust you. 623 00:37:25,451 --> 00:37:26,994 I said, yeah. 624 00:37:27,077 --> 00:37:28,829 I said, I've been with you this long. 625 00:37:28,913 --> 00:37:31,666 I said, I'm still here. I said, sure, you can trust me. 626 00:37:31,791 --> 00:37:34,335 I said, you shouldn't even bring that up. 627 00:37:34,460 --> 00:37:38,172 The next, they say, we want you to kill Peter Scarcella 628 00:37:38,297 --> 00:37:39,465 and Paul Volpe. 629 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,385 I said, well, here we go. 630 00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:48,766 Paul had obviously stepped on somebody's toes. 631 00:37:48,849 --> 00:37:50,934 I know that there was some dislike 632 00:37:51,059 --> 00:37:53,478 between the Commissos and him 633 00:37:53,603 --> 00:37:55,773 where they would never have taken the original contract 634 00:37:55,856 --> 00:37:58,025 to kill him. 635 00:37:58,108 --> 00:37:59,693 You just don't go out and murder another member of a family. 636 00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:03,780 You go to obviously the Don and whoever the Don is at the time 637 00:38:03,864 --> 00:38:05,282 that you're answering to 638 00:38:05,365 --> 00:38:06,867 is going to make that decision 639 00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:08,869 and give you the permission to do it. 640 00:38:08,994 --> 00:38:12,873 He was then asked to do a more important hit 641 00:38:12,998 --> 00:38:16,668 and that was the leading associate of Paul Volpe 642 00:38:16,793 --> 00:38:18,586 named Peter Scarcella. 643 00:38:21,548 --> 00:38:23,634 Cosimo drove me around. 644 00:38:23,675 --> 00:38:26,304 He showed me where Scarcella lived off of Jane Street. 645 00:38:26,387 --> 00:38:28,306 Then he said to me, do you know where Volpe lives? 646 00:38:28,389 --> 00:38:30,141 And I said, yes, I do. 647 00:38:30,181 --> 00:38:31,516 I know exactly where he lives, up in Nobleton. 648 00:38:33,893 --> 00:38:37,731 The RCMP wanted me to get Cosimo and Remo and Michael on tape 649 00:38:37,856 --> 00:38:40,943 with the conversation about conspiracy to murder. 650 00:38:42,445 --> 00:38:43,987 There was a series of meetings 651 00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:47,032 between Cosimo Commisso and Cecil Kirby. 652 00:38:47,157 --> 00:38:49,784 Initially, it was going to be Scarcella and Volpe 653 00:38:49,869 --> 00:38:51,369 were to be whacked. 654 00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:55,875 The meetings just kept happening and happening and happening, 655 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,585 and the RCMP said to me, 656 00:38:57,710 --> 00:38:59,836 some of the recordings aren't that great. 657 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,840 You got to get 'em to stay in your car. 658 00:39:02,922 --> 00:39:04,967 I said, that's going to be a challenge. 659 00:39:06,427 --> 00:39:10,264 So, I bandaged my foot all up with elastic tape. 660 00:39:12,391 --> 00:39:15,978 I met Cosimo at the Howard Johnson hotel. 661 00:39:16,061 --> 00:39:18,481 I said to him, I hurt my ankle jogging the other day. 662 00:39:18,563 --> 00:39:20,733 I said, I can't walk that good. 663 00:39:20,858 --> 00:39:22,568 And he says, we're going to talk in your car? 664 00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:23,860 I said, yeah. 665 00:39:23,943 --> 00:39:25,237 I said, you know as well as me, 666 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,489 I know the guy that does all the debugging. 667 00:39:26,572 --> 00:39:27,782 I said, this car's been checked a lot of times. 668 00:39:30,451 --> 00:39:33,871 He got inside my car, my Shiv Caprice Classic. 669 00:39:33,996 --> 00:39:36,373 I said, so it's safe to talk in. 670 00:39:36,498 --> 00:39:38,583 So that's how I got him to talk 671 00:39:38,708 --> 00:39:40,920 and he says, hold off on Peter Scarcella. 672 00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,505 Don't kill him. He's on our side. 673 00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:43,797 I said, oh, okay. 674 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,423 He's not with Paul Volpe anymore? 675 00:39:45,548 --> 00:39:47,510 He says, well, he's working for us now. 676 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,681 The police thought they could maybe just grab Volpe 677 00:39:52,764 --> 00:39:55,559 and have him disappear for a bit, 678 00:39:55,643 --> 00:39:58,896 and then the assumption would be he was dead. 679 00:39:58,978 --> 00:40:01,731 We told them that that would amount to kidnapping 680 00:40:01,815 --> 00:40:03,525 under the Criminal Code. 681 00:40:05,402 --> 00:40:08,072 Howard Morton said, no, we can't kidnap him. 682 00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:10,699 So someone else, I think it may have been Murphy, said, 683 00:40:10,782 --> 00:40:13,702 why don't we just ask him if he would like to cooperate? 684 00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:17,831 That was the RCMP Corporal, that was his idea. 685 00:40:17,956 --> 00:40:21,543 Take him into custody, get his wallet, fake his death, 686 00:40:21,626 --> 00:40:23,545 and I had to have that wallet 687 00:40:23,628 --> 00:40:27,382 for absolutely good, strong proof that I killed him. 688 00:40:29,885 --> 00:40:34,764 Murphy and another metro Toronto police officer who Volpe knew, 689 00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:38,601 went up there and said, look, Commissos want to kill you. 690 00:40:38,686 --> 00:40:40,896 They've hired this hit man to kill you, 691 00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:43,440 and we want to pretend that you've been killed. 692 00:40:43,565 --> 00:40:45,733 Could you give us your wallet and said, 693 00:40:45,818 --> 00:40:48,778 we better bring your wife too. 694 00:40:48,903 --> 00:40:53,409 CFSU takes them into custody and takes him to the RCMP station 695 00:40:53,492 --> 00:40:55,494 incommunicado to make 'em look like 696 00:40:55,619 --> 00:40:57,496 they've fallen off the face of the earth. 697 00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:00,166 He immediately handed over his wallet 698 00:41:00,248 --> 00:41:02,333 without even checking what was in there. 699 00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:06,045 Paul was upset. 700 00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:08,132 In fact, he almost had big elephant tears 701 00:41:08,215 --> 00:41:10,759 because it was one of these like, who would want to kill me? 702 00:41:13,596 --> 00:41:16,181 The whole drama of the moment is that Cecil Kirby had to go back 703 00:41:16,306 --> 00:41:18,976 to Remo and Cosimo with a body pack 704 00:41:19,101 --> 00:41:21,896 so that they could incriminate themselves 705 00:41:22,021 --> 00:41:23,981 and they had to do it fast 706 00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:25,815 because they couldn't keep Volpe and his wife for days 707 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:27,568 at RCMP headquarters. 708 00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:29,777 They could only keep them for a day or so. 709 00:41:29,862 --> 00:41:31,780 The corporal gave me the wallet. 710 00:41:33,157 --> 00:41:34,782 I drove over to Remo Commisso’s house. 711 00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:40,789 [knocking] 712 00:41:40,873 --> 00:41:43,166 Knocked on the door, went in. 713 00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:45,793 I said, I got to talk to you. 714 00:41:45,878 --> 00:41:48,630 So we went downstairs to the basement, into the bathroom. 715 00:41:50,965 --> 00:41:53,885 Remo put on the cold water tap 716 00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:56,764 in case the place is bugged or anybody's listening. 717 00:41:56,889 --> 00:42:00,643 He was always suspicious and on guard for everything. 718 00:42:00,726 --> 00:42:02,393 He says, what's going on? 719 00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:03,853 I said, I handed him Paul Volpe's wallet. 720 00:42:03,938 --> 00:42:06,815 I said, Paul Volpe is dead. 721 00:42:06,898 --> 00:42:08,692 I said, Cosimo told me to kill him. 722 00:42:08,817 --> 00:42:10,360 He's dead. 723 00:42:10,443 --> 00:42:11,653 I need some money to get out of town. 724 00:42:13,697 --> 00:42:16,492 The cops were listening to the whole conversation 725 00:42:16,574 --> 00:42:18,786 and they had an enforcement team 726 00:42:18,869 --> 00:42:21,871 just down the street waiting in case something did happen. 727 00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:23,958 I was a little concerned because the hair on my chest, 728 00:42:24,083 --> 00:42:26,001 the tape kept falling off. 729 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,505 There was a sound of water. 730 00:42:30,588 --> 00:42:33,842 We thought it was a shower being turned on. 731 00:42:33,925 --> 00:42:37,554 In one of the Godfather movies one of the characters 732 00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,889 in the movie does exactly the same thing, 733 00:42:40,014 --> 00:42:44,853 turns the shower on to try and muffle a possible wire tap. 734 00:42:46,896 --> 00:42:48,731 Remo was furious. You don't bring me his wallet. 735 00:42:48,856 --> 00:42:50,192 Why didn't you get rid of it? 736 00:42:52,402 --> 00:42:54,989 He says, take that wallet and throw it down a sewer drain. 737 00:42:55,114 --> 00:42:57,240 The most traumatic part was showing 738 00:42:57,324 --> 00:43:02,079 that wallet to Remo Commisso in the basement of his house, 739 00:43:02,161 --> 00:43:04,623 face to face with a homicidal killer. 740 00:43:05,791 --> 00:43:08,210 And I thought, is this where they're going to kill me? 741 00:43:08,293 --> 00:43:09,920 But finally, he admits that he knows 742 00:43:10,045 --> 00:43:11,338 that they were supposed to be killed. 743 00:43:11,463 --> 00:43:13,090 That's the important thing. 744 00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:15,134 So he implicates himself in the hit plot. 745 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,762 It was solid evidence. 746 00:43:18,804 --> 00:43:21,514 You couldn't get better corroboration than a wiretap. 747 00:43:22,974 --> 00:43:24,559 I said, I want to fly to Florida 748 00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:26,603 and get away from here right now. 749 00:43:26,728 --> 00:43:29,063 He said, okay. He says, Mike will meet you 750 00:43:29,148 --> 00:43:32,233 out at Howard Johnson's at about 4:00. 751 00:43:32,318 --> 00:43:33,902 He'd give you some money then. 752 00:43:36,989 --> 00:43:38,239 And that's what happened. 753 00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:41,784 Michael met me there, 754 00:43:41,827 --> 00:43:44,704 I think it was 500 bucks or something stupid, 755 00:43:44,829 --> 00:43:47,081 and he left and he only went down the highway 756 00:43:47,166 --> 00:43:50,628 maybe three miles, and police surrounded him, arrested him. 757 00:43:50,753 --> 00:43:54,632 I was given the instruction then to arrest Remo Commisso 758 00:43:54,757 --> 00:43:56,967 and bring him to the station. 759 00:43:57,092 --> 00:44:00,137 We walked up to the door, knocked on the door, 760 00:44:00,219 --> 00:44:01,929 identified myself. 761 00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:05,184 He invited us in. He was very calm. 762 00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,268 Somebody's coming in to arrest you for conspiracy 763 00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:09,396 to commit murder. 764 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,773 Most people would be a little bit shaken and upset. 765 00:44:11,856 --> 00:44:13,983 I never saw that in Remo. 766 00:44:14,108 --> 00:44:16,737 I said to Remo, you're under arrest for conspiracy 767 00:44:16,862 --> 00:44:18,989 to commit murder. 768 00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:21,659 He would've been able to put that together very quickly. 769 00:44:21,784 --> 00:44:23,661 He knows that Cecil was just there showing him 770 00:44:23,744 --> 00:44:25,161 Paul's identification. 771 00:44:25,286 --> 00:44:28,623 He knows right then that Cecil is a rat 772 00:44:28,706 --> 00:44:31,960 and he's been done. So better he say nothing. 773 00:44:32,043 --> 00:44:33,920 I mean, if he turns around and says, 774 00:44:34,003 --> 00:44:36,215 well, that dirty rat Kirby, that's a statement. 775 00:44:36,340 --> 00:44:39,635 I mean, that becomes something. He said, nothing. 776 00:44:40,885 --> 00:44:42,637 It was a very simple arrest. 777 00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:46,809 It was, you're under arrest Remo, come to the station. 778 00:44:49,228 --> 00:44:52,021 They were charged with the plot to kill Paul Volpe and his wife, 779 00:44:52,146 --> 00:44:54,650 and even Scarcella. 780 00:44:54,733 --> 00:44:58,820 They're charged with a number of bombings and assaults 781 00:44:58,903 --> 00:45:01,614 that Kirby did for enforcement work. 782 00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:05,452 Cecil Kirby committed a number of crimes 783 00:45:05,577 --> 00:45:07,413 on behalf of the Commissos. 784 00:45:07,538 --> 00:45:12,041 He clearly was capable of extreme violence. 785 00:45:12,126 --> 00:45:16,422 It may seem strange to say this, but despite his background, 786 00:45:16,547 --> 00:45:18,840 I found him believable. 787 00:45:20,425 --> 00:45:23,387 I testified against Remo and Cosimo. 788 00:45:23,469 --> 00:45:26,849 Cosimo wasn't too bad. He just stared at me. 789 00:45:26,931 --> 00:45:29,184 With Remo, he gave me some pretty mean looks 790 00:45:29,268 --> 00:45:31,269 like, oh, I'd just love to kill you. 791 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,733 If you're testifying, you're going to be cross-examined 792 00:45:35,858 --> 00:45:38,402 on your associates and what you know, 793 00:45:38,485 --> 00:45:41,195 and even if you give the right answers, 794 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:46,326 the fact is you've divulged all of this information, 795 00:45:46,452 --> 00:45:49,621 and this is a secret society. You don't talk. 796 00:45:53,083 --> 00:45:58,422 Silence, and that's tradition. 797 00:45:58,505 --> 00:46:01,048 They had two really good lawyers, 798 00:46:01,132 --> 00:46:04,802 Bob Carter and Eddie Greenspan. 799 00:46:04,927 --> 00:46:08,431 And if those guys thought that they could beat the charges, 800 00:46:08,514 --> 00:46:11,101 they would not have plead guilty. 801 00:46:11,226 --> 00:46:15,938 They didn't even fight it. They pled out. 802 00:46:16,023 --> 00:46:17,775 Their lawyer, Eddie Greenspan 803 00:46:17,858 --> 00:46:20,235 had to say in the end that he really thought 804 00:46:20,318 --> 00:46:23,155 that Cecil Kirby was one of the best witnesses 805 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,117 that he had ever seen in terms of an informant. 806 00:46:28,202 --> 00:46:29,911 He's pretty courageous. 807 00:46:29,994 --> 00:46:32,831 He really hates rats, and he became a rat. 808 00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:37,001 They made a mistake. 809 00:46:37,085 --> 00:46:40,838 Kirby's not the brightest tack in the box, the sharpest tack, 810 00:46:40,963 --> 00:46:46,887 but he was good for what he was used for. 811 00:46:47,012 --> 00:46:52,266 But they turned on him, he turned on them, 812 00:46:52,351 --> 00:46:54,186 and then that's the way it is. 813 00:46:59,358 --> 00:47:01,235 Four Toronto men, 814 00:47:01,318 --> 00:47:03,027 three of them members of an organized crime family, 815 00:47:03,152 --> 00:47:05,989 pleaded guilty to conspiring to kill Volpe. 816 00:47:06,114 --> 00:47:09,034 A $20,000 contract had been put out on his life, 817 00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:11,202 but the reason was never disclosed. 818 00:47:21,588 --> 00:47:24,257 It was necessary. It had to happen. 819 00:47:24,382 --> 00:47:26,635 I had no remorse about it. 820 00:47:26,717 --> 00:47:31,431 It was the only option I could see of an outcome with me living 821 00:47:31,556 --> 00:47:33,891 and not dying at their hand. 822 00:47:36,061 --> 00:47:40,231 Remo and Cosimo pled guilty to all the crimes. 823 00:47:40,356 --> 00:47:44,027 They got about eight years in jail, which isn't much, 824 00:47:44,152 --> 00:47:47,572 and that puts the end of one chapter of their career. 825 00:47:47,697 --> 00:47:50,992 Cecil Kirby had to, after that, live in hiding 826 00:47:51,076 --> 00:47:56,331 because he put some of the most feared mafia in jail, 827 00:47:56,414 --> 00:47:59,835 and of course they were going to kill him. 828 00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:02,170 But he said he was a dead man. He could live with that. 829 00:48:02,253 --> 00:48:05,382 He thought he'd be a dead man either way, 830 00:48:05,507 --> 00:48:09,552 whether he stayed with the Commissos or whether he left. 831 00:48:09,677 --> 00:48:13,849 What is the word on you in the criminal world in Toronto? 832 00:48:13,931 --> 00:48:15,893 What do they think about you? 833 00:48:15,976 --> 00:48:17,518 What do they think of me? They think I'm dead. 834 00:48:17,603 --> 00:48:19,396 They think-- they know they'd kill me. 835 00:48:19,438 --> 00:48:22,190 They all think they'd kill me sooner or later. 836 00:48:22,273 --> 00:48:24,233 They believe the Commissos will get me sooner or later. 837 00:48:24,318 --> 00:48:25,568 Is there a contract on you? 838 00:48:25,693 --> 00:48:27,195 Yes, there is. 839 00:48:27,278 --> 00:48:28,447 For how much money? 840 00:48:28,572 --> 00:48:30,324 For $250,000. 841 00:48:32,117 --> 00:48:34,911 I found out about the contract on my head 842 00:48:35,036 --> 00:48:39,248 from Sergeant Lyle McCharles of the Ontario Provincial Police. 843 00:48:39,373 --> 00:48:42,335 He told me, and he swore to this in court, 844 00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:46,047 that there was a bounty for me of first it was 50,000. 845 00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:49,092 Then it was a 100,000, then 200,000. 846 00:48:49,175 --> 00:48:52,094 This contract at one point was close to 847 00:48:52,219 --> 00:48:54,681 about half a million dollars. 848 00:48:54,806 --> 00:48:56,432 I thought, boy, that's pretty high. 849 00:48:56,516 --> 00:48:58,518 It's getting up there. 850 00:48:58,601 --> 00:49:01,063 It's like winning the lottery, but no winner so far. 851 00:49:03,106 --> 00:49:06,568 And who'd want to be the guy to try and kill me? 852 00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:10,322 You think I'm not going to fight back? 853 00:49:10,405 --> 00:49:13,951 I'm not going to shoot back? You're damn right I'm going to. 854 00:49:14,034 --> 00:49:17,161 So if you're coming to kill me, be prepared to die yourself. 855 00:49:18,246 --> 00:49:20,206 I don't hide. 856 00:49:20,289 --> 00:49:22,291 I just keep a low profile except for this interview. 857 00:49:22,376 --> 00:49:26,253 I've never been afraid of anything 858 00:49:26,338 --> 00:49:28,465 and I couldn't give a damn what happens to Commissos. 859 00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:30,592 Hopefully they'll die before me. 860 00:49:32,677 --> 00:49:34,429 I don't know why the Commissos 861 00:49:34,512 --> 00:49:37,014 wanted to have anything done to Paul. 862 00:49:37,139 --> 00:49:40,559 There may have been some other infringements 863 00:49:40,686 --> 00:49:45,315 on their territories or our territories. 864 00:49:45,398 --> 00:49:48,485 There's always this animosity between Italian mob families 865 00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:51,655 that some other family’s want them dead. 866 00:49:51,780 --> 00:49:54,115 And Volpe, 867 00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:57,119 he was more popular than the Commissos were at the time. 868 00:49:59,036 --> 00:50:01,581 Over the years, Paul made a lot of enemies. 869 00:50:01,706 --> 00:50:03,625 Where do you start looking? 870 00:50:03,708 --> 00:50:06,711 I only have my own thoughts and suspicions, 871 00:50:06,836 --> 00:50:10,132 was acting like that lone wolf and wasn't sharing. 872 00:50:10,215 --> 00:50:12,092 Paul didn't care. 873 00:50:12,217 --> 00:50:14,219 Paul wasn't worried about anybody. 874 00:50:14,344 --> 00:50:16,387 Some of the 'Ndrangheta people other than the Commissos 875 00:50:16,512 --> 00:50:19,641 who were out in the street resent him on a tape. 876 00:50:19,724 --> 00:50:23,353 I know one cop told me that they heard 877 00:50:23,478 --> 00:50:26,523 an 'Ndrangheta boss saying, why are they giving the money 878 00:50:26,648 --> 00:50:28,525 to construction companies, to Volpe? 879 00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:30,152 He doesn't do anything. 880 00:50:30,235 --> 00:50:31,570 Why don't we just get rid of him? 881 00:50:32,778 --> 00:50:36,532 Volpe was so hot-headed that he'd made many, many enemies. 882 00:50:36,657 --> 00:50:42,371 Volpe was already feuding with members of the new mafia 883 00:50:42,496 --> 00:50:44,708 in Canada, 884 00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:47,418 and the story on the street was he had double-crossed them. 885 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,717 [phone rings] 886 00:50:53,842 --> 00:50:57,094 My office called Monday morning 887 00:50:57,219 --> 00:51:00,681 and said that Paul Volpe had been reported missing. 888 00:51:02,266 --> 00:51:05,144 On a Sunday he kissed his wife goodbye in the morning, 889 00:51:05,269 --> 00:51:08,731 said he was having lunch with his assistant, Scarcella, 890 00:51:08,856 --> 00:51:11,150 and then he was going off to a meeting with some 891 00:51:11,275 --> 00:51:13,195 unidentified people at the airport. 892 00:51:14,653 --> 00:51:17,032 {\an8}The last he was seen alive, 893 00:51:17,114 --> 00:51:21,161 {\an8}he was at a coffee shop called La Seine in Woodbridge. 894 00:51:21,286 --> 00:51:23,454 {\an8}He was with Peter Scarcella. 895 00:51:23,579 --> 00:51:28,543 My understanding is that a short time later, not a long time, 896 00:51:28,626 --> 00:51:32,630 his vehicle ends up parked in the airport parking lot. 897 00:51:32,755 --> 00:51:36,092 They traced his car to the Terminal 2 in the airport, 898 00:51:36,175 --> 00:51:39,721 blood was on the fender, they opened the trunk. 899 00:51:43,809 --> 00:51:46,393 And found that he'd been shot twice in the head, 900 00:51:46,478 --> 00:51:49,146 and the hit team got away 901 00:51:49,271 --> 00:51:51,440 The police plan to release a photograph of the car 902 00:51:51,565 --> 00:51:53,652 in which Volpe’s body was found. 903 00:51:53,735 --> 00:51:56,195 They're hoping someone might have seen the late model BMW 904 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,697 between Sunday morning when he left his home 905 00:51:58,824 --> 00:52:01,367 and Monday afternoon when he was found dead. 906 00:52:01,492 --> 00:52:02,619 It certainly has all the earmarks 907 00:52:02,744 --> 00:52:04,579 of a very professional killing. 908 00:52:06,914 --> 00:52:09,668 What happened to Paul could have happened from Atlantic City. 909 00:52:09,793 --> 00:52:13,213 It could have happened from any number of different areas. 910 00:52:13,338 --> 00:52:15,297 I don't know. 911 00:52:15,382 --> 00:52:17,050 Nor do I want to know. 912 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,010 The police are still looking for 913 00:52:19,094 --> 00:52:21,221 Volpe’s killers at his funeral today 914 00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:24,391 on the street and in his storefront window, 915 00:52:25,391 --> 00:52:27,351 We were fairly powerful. 916 00:52:27,476 --> 00:52:32,815 But, I don't know, if someone's got a hit on you, 917 00:52:32,940 --> 00:52:34,358 {\an8}you’re going to get hit. 918 00:52:36,902 --> 00:52:39,864 {\an8}The last person to see him alive was Scarcella. 919 00:52:39,989 --> 00:52:43,534 {\an8}Scarcella was also a target at one point, 920 00:52:43,659 --> 00:52:46,704 but then his life was spared for some reason. 921 00:52:46,829 --> 00:52:48,748 He had the meeting with Scarcella, 922 00:52:48,873 --> 00:52:52,501 who, from everything I've heard, set him up. 923 00:52:52,585 --> 00:52:54,713 Scarcella’s a nasty piece of work. 924 00:52:56,297 --> 00:52:58,132 Every time I hear Scarcella's name, 925 00:52:58,215 --> 00:53:00,552 all I think of is three things. 926 00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:05,599 A rope, a shovel, and a hole in the ground that he belongs in. 927 00:53:05,724 --> 00:53:07,809 He's a Judas. 928 00:53:07,893 --> 00:53:10,811 He stabbed Paul in the back, and that's why Paul died. 929 00:53:16,985 --> 00:53:18,862 I don't care. 930 00:53:18,903 --> 00:53:19,820 They’re just words, they can't hurt me. 931 00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,869 They could shoot me, kill me, but not words, nothing. 932 00:53:26,952 --> 00:53:29,414 They are murder incorporated. Period. 933 00:53:31,041 --> 00:53:34,668 They don't care who they have to kill or what they have to kill. 934 00:53:37,505 --> 00:53:41,927 There was obviously some dislike between the Commissos and him 935 00:53:42,052 --> 00:53:44,554 or they would never have taken the original contract 936 00:53:44,637 --> 00:53:46,139 to kill him, 937 00:53:46,222 --> 00:53:48,391 but I don't believe that they did it. 938 00:53:48,474 --> 00:53:50,851 They asked me to kill Paul Volpe. 939 00:53:50,936 --> 00:53:53,230 We saved Paul Volpe’s life. 940 00:53:53,355 --> 00:53:56,608 Commissos was going to jail for conspiracy to murder then what, 941 00:53:56,733 --> 00:53:59,568 a year later, Paul's dead? 942 00:53:59,693 --> 00:54:01,195 What a coincidence. 943 00:54:02,989 --> 00:54:04,907 Although while they're in jail, 944 00:54:04,990 --> 00:54:06,826 it's uncertain what they were doing 945 00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:08,702 because Volpe was actually killed 946 00:54:08,786 --> 00:54:11,206 less than two years later. 947 00:54:11,289 --> 00:54:15,251 And whether the contract that Remo and Cosimo gave out 948 00:54:15,376 --> 00:54:18,630 was fulfilled then through other people in the 'Ndrangheta 949 00:54:18,755 --> 00:54:21,382 or others, is an open question. 950 00:54:21,465 --> 00:54:24,719 You can easily get people killed while you're in jail. 951 00:54:24,802 --> 00:54:26,596 And in fact, 40 years later, 952 00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:28,847 no one has been charged with Volpe’s murder. 953 00:54:37,731 --> 00:54:39,943 Commissos emerged from prison. 954 00:54:40,025 --> 00:54:44,780 They were much more low key, far more sophisticated crimes, 955 00:54:44,905 --> 00:54:47,659 money laundering, real estate fraud. 956 00:54:49,911 --> 00:54:52,789 They would certainly be a lot more careful about anybody 957 00:54:52,914 --> 00:54:56,001 they dealt with outside of their own community. 958 00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:58,043 Now you got to see that Cecil Kirby 959 00:54:58,168 --> 00:55:00,005 was not in their community, 960 00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:01,463 but they're going to be a lot smarter 961 00:55:01,547 --> 00:55:03,382 before that ever happens again. 962 00:55:19,648 --> 00:55:22,902 All organized crime, they need facilitators. 963 00:55:23,027 --> 00:55:26,280 Joe Ferraro was a Commisso family associate 964 00:55:26,364 --> 00:55:27,990 who was operating out of Toronto. 965 00:55:28,115 --> 00:55:29,784 His nickname was Joey Limousine. 966 00:55:29,867 --> 00:55:31,869 Because he ran a limousine company, 967 00:55:31,994 --> 00:55:35,331 He was also able to manipulate things. 968 00:55:35,414 --> 00:55:39,710 He was very boisterous how he dressed and behaves. 969 00:55:39,835 --> 00:55:42,672 He wasn't afraid to make enemies. 970 00:55:42,755 --> 00:55:45,007 He was also muscle. 971 00:55:45,090 --> 00:55:46,885 He was an enforcer. 972 00:55:46,967 --> 00:55:48,385 He would go around trying to collect debts. 973 00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:50,179 He's violent. 974 00:55:50,221 --> 00:55:52,724 He's been known to cut people's limbs off. 975 00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:54,016 This is a serious dude. 976 00:55:54,099 --> 00:55:56,186 Joe Ferraro, 977 00:55:56,268 --> 00:55:57,644 in addition to being muscle for the Italian mob, 978 00:55:57,728 --> 00:56:00,898 is also an alleged drug trafficker for the 'Ndrangheta 78680

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