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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:10,543 --> 00:00:12,655 - [woman] When do we want it? - [crowd] Now. 4 00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:14,591 - [woman] What do we want? - [crowd] Justice. 5 00:00:14,615 --> 00:00:16,348 - When do we want it? - Now. 6 00:00:16,383 --> 00:00:18,194 - What do we want? - Justice. 7 00:00:18,218 --> 00:00:20,019 - When do we want it? - Now 8 00:00:20,086 --> 00:00:21,998 - What do we want? - Justice. 9 00:00:22,022 --> 00:00:23,933 - When do we want it? - Now. 10 00:00:23,957 --> 00:00:25,802 - What do we want? - Justice. 11 00:00:25,826 --> 00:00:27,826 - When do we want it? - Now. 12 00:00:27,894 --> 00:00:29,773 - What do we want? - Justice. 13 00:00:29,797 --> 00:00:31,975 - When do we want it? - Now. 14 00:00:31,999 --> 00:00:33,665 - What do we want? - Justice. 15 00:00:33,733 --> 00:00:35,834 - When do we want it? - Now. 16 00:00:41,674 --> 00:00:43,675 Can you smell the pot? 17 00:00:43,743 --> 00:00:45,344 - Can you smell the pot? - Yes, I can. 18 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:49,681 A Jewish Filipino family. Whoo! 19 00:00:49,749 --> 00:00:51,795 A Jewish Filipino. I'm Filipino. 20 00:00:51,819 --> 00:00:53,819 - [man] Are you? - He's a Jew-lipino. 21 00:00:53,886 --> 00:00:55,821 [laughter] 22 00:00:55,888 --> 00:00:59,358 We belong to Immaculate Heart community. 23 00:00:59,425 --> 00:01:02,828 So we're still active, working for justice. 24 00:01:02,895 --> 00:01:05,275 [woman speaking] 25 00:01:05,299 --> 00:01:08,812 - Right. - We do. We do. We were nuns. 26 00:01:08,836 --> 00:01:10,636 - [man] Really? - I joined to be a nun. 27 00:01:10,703 --> 00:01:11,904 Wow. 28 00:01:11,971 --> 00:01:14,573 And we were sisters of the Immaculate Heart. 29 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,376 And then we got into trouble with the bishop. 30 00:01:28,321 --> 00:01:31,034 [man] Hollywood, California. 31 00:01:31,058 --> 00:01:34,259 Home of a religious order which keeps making headlines. 32 00:01:41,134 --> 00:01:44,903 [Anita] The sisters of the Immaculate Heart are a group of people 33 00:01:44,971 --> 00:01:48,151 who want very much to serve people today 34 00:01:48,175 --> 00:01:50,576 and who want to make themselves relevant. 35 00:02:01,788 --> 00:02:04,256 The settlement of the dispute probably points 36 00:02:04,323 --> 00:02:06,325 to the direction in which the church 37 00:02:06,392 --> 00:02:09,361 will go towards modernization of its religion. 38 00:02:17,537 --> 00:02:19,315 [Helen] I chose this life a long time ago. 39 00:02:19,339 --> 00:02:21,818 I thought it was a good life, but times have moved on, 40 00:02:21,842 --> 00:02:23,242 which I see very clearly. 41 00:02:27,113 --> 00:02:29,381 [man] There are those who are afraid the nuns' rebellion is 42 00:02:29,448 --> 00:02:31,984 going to spread and seriously undermine 43 00:02:32,051 --> 00:02:34,720 the authority of the Catholic Church. 44 00:02:34,787 --> 00:02:36,922 There's a sense in which we have always been in trouble. 45 00:02:36,989 --> 00:02:38,323 [laughs] 46 00:02:44,864 --> 00:02:47,644 [Corita] People are often frightened that one little change 47 00:02:47,668 --> 00:02:49,735 is going to lead to many others. 48 00:02:49,802 --> 00:02:51,781 And that they are certainly right. 49 00:02:51,805 --> 00:02:54,473 But changing is what keeps one growing. 50 00:03:00,379 --> 00:03:01,780 [woman] They do take vows. 51 00:03:01,847 --> 00:03:03,526 Poverty, chastity, and obedience, 52 00:03:03,550 --> 00:03:05,350 and they are destroying all three of those vows. 53 00:03:10,590 --> 00:03:13,525 The cardinal feels that they are moving 54 00:03:13,593 --> 00:03:16,906 out of safe Christianity. 55 00:03:16,930 --> 00:03:18,864 [man] If the Immaculate Heart sisters get their way 56 00:03:18,931 --> 00:03:20,699 it would just open Pandora's box. 57 00:03:33,346 --> 00:03:35,414 [woman] We did what we thought was right. 58 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:39,851 We did it because we thought it was just. 59 00:03:51,164 --> 00:03:53,165 [church bells ring] 60 00:04:00,907 --> 00:04:03,953 [man] For a century, the sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary 61 00:04:03,977 --> 00:04:06,022 taught the young in Los Angeles. 62 00:04:06,046 --> 00:04:07,890 Their convent was a spiritual oasis 63 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:10,026 in the religious desert of Hollywood. 64 00:04:10,050 --> 00:04:11,583 [all singing hymns] 65 00:04:11,651 --> 00:04:13,252 But today this cloistered order is 66 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:16,432 the subject of a fierce debate that reaches from California, 67 00:04:16,456 --> 00:04:19,291 across America, to the inner sanctums of the Vatican. 68 00:04:21,995 --> 00:04:25,397 Probably many of you are wondering just what are those 69 00:04:25,464 --> 00:04:27,933 Immaculate Heart sisters up to. 70 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,513 [man] Sister Anita Caspary, Mother General of the convent, 71 00:04:30,537 --> 00:04:34,940 who openly defied His Eminence the Archbishop of Los Angeles. 72 00:04:35,007 --> 00:04:39,589 He just couldn't see what we were doing 73 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:41,280 or why we were doing it. 74 00:04:41,347 --> 00:04:43,148 It seemed wrong to him. 75 00:04:44,950 --> 00:04:47,797 [man] The big gun is James Francis, Cardinal McIntyre, 76 00:04:47,821 --> 00:04:49,932 Archbishop of Los Angeles. 77 00:04:49,956 --> 00:04:51,601 The sisters of the Immaculate Heart 78 00:04:51,625 --> 00:04:54,126 are a threat to the church as he has helped to build it. 79 00:04:59,498 --> 00:05:02,345 [Clement] Cardinal McIntyre was shaped, formed, 80 00:05:02,369 --> 00:05:05,437 and anointed into a church that was authoritarian. 81 00:05:07,306 --> 00:05:10,687 He felt that if you opposed him 82 00:05:10,711 --> 00:05:13,512 you were opposing the church and you were doing something 83 00:05:13,579 --> 00:05:16,648 that would hurt the church or that was ungodly. 84 00:05:17,583 --> 00:05:19,785 [man speaking] 85 00:05:26,592 --> 00:05:30,128 Well, I would hope that I'm gentle, too, 86 00:05:30,196 --> 00:05:32,597 and unfit for violence. Um... 87 00:05:32,665 --> 00:05:38,114 [Sheila] When I met Anita, I was struck by two things. 88 00:05:38,138 --> 00:05:42,518 Anita always managed to stay calm 89 00:05:42,542 --> 00:05:45,977 and she was always able to say something wise. 90 00:05:47,747 --> 00:05:52,595 Conflict was not something that she would have ever 91 00:05:52,619 --> 00:05:55,153 initiated out of anger. 92 00:05:55,221 --> 00:05:57,333 But a part of wisdom is to know 93 00:05:57,357 --> 00:05:58,868 when to stand your ground. 94 00:05:58,892 --> 00:06:00,425 ["Sure of Love" playing] 95 00:06:00,493 --> 00:06:03,428 ♪ Sure, so sure ♪ 96 00:06:03,496 --> 00:06:05,341 ♪ So sure ♪ 97 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:07,933 ♪ Of love ♪ 98 00:06:09,368 --> 00:06:11,414 [Sheila] One of the things to say about that 99 00:06:11,438 --> 00:06:15,974 period from early in the 20th century, up to the '60s, 100 00:06:16,041 --> 00:06:20,512 for women, it was a very, very patriarchal time. 101 00:06:21,013 --> 00:06:22,647 Your coffee, sir. 102 00:06:22,715 --> 00:06:25,361 - Thanks, beautiful. - You're welcome. 103 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:30,188 [Sheila] So if marriage really wasn't your thing, 104 00:06:30,256 --> 00:06:33,325 staying home and looking after the kids really wasn't something that 105 00:06:33,392 --> 00:06:35,927 you were looking forward to, 106 00:06:35,995 --> 00:06:39,598 in that environment, many young 107 00:06:39,665 --> 00:06:44,336 independently-minded women joined women's religious orders 108 00:06:44,403 --> 00:06:46,071 'cause this was a way out. 109 00:06:47,139 --> 00:06:49,841 One, it was a way of getting an education. 110 00:06:51,611 --> 00:06:55,147 The proposal of marriage and so forth did not appeal to me 111 00:06:55,214 --> 00:06:56,681 that much. 112 00:06:56,749 --> 00:06:58,995 My dad, with his family of girls, 113 00:06:59,019 --> 00:07:02,064 he really thought of women as being in careers 114 00:07:02,088 --> 00:07:05,334 and being able to make their own way. 115 00:07:05,358 --> 00:07:07,793 So I went to Immaculate Heart College. 116 00:07:09,629 --> 00:07:13,432 I immediately felt that's where I really belong, 117 00:07:13,499 --> 00:07:14,966 where I would feel at home. 118 00:07:17,236 --> 00:07:20,439 [Pat] The college faculty were so human. 119 00:07:20,506 --> 00:07:25,421 They would accept a Coke or a little bag of potato chips 120 00:07:25,445 --> 00:07:27,779 when you'd offer it to them. 121 00:07:27,847 --> 00:07:30,048 So they struck me as more modern. 122 00:07:30,115 --> 00:07:35,954 They were contemporary, and that attracted me. 123 00:07:40,125 --> 00:07:44,796 [Anita] It was there that I think I really felt strongly my own 124 00:07:44,864 --> 00:07:47,265 calling to become a nun. 125 00:07:50,135 --> 00:07:54,806 I really wanted to become something like these women. 126 00:07:54,874 --> 00:07:57,453 They were so different. 127 00:07:57,477 --> 00:07:59,845 Full of life, energy, vitality. 128 00:08:02,415 --> 00:08:05,461 But I didn't think about the practical part of what did 129 00:08:05,485 --> 00:08:07,886 one do to become a nun. 130 00:08:11,824 --> 00:08:14,893 [man] Fresh, eager young faces. 131 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,864 Who among this group will be God's career women? 132 00:08:19,499 --> 00:08:20,832 [church bell rings] 133 00:08:26,239 --> 00:08:28,106 [Anita] First, we were postulates, 134 00:08:28,173 --> 00:08:30,342 studying to enter religious life. 135 00:08:31,377 --> 00:08:33,956 It was kind of strange to me. 136 00:08:33,980 --> 00:08:38,361 Our lives were so surrounded and so small. 137 00:08:38,385 --> 00:08:42,454 I had hoped that we might go more deeply into some of 138 00:08:42,521 --> 00:08:45,234 the great spiritual writers, but we were not allowed that. 139 00:08:45,258 --> 00:08:48,326 We had to memorize what was called 140 00:08:48,361 --> 00:08:50,506 the Catechism of the Vows. 141 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:53,865 And that was very dull and very hard going. 142 00:08:56,469 --> 00:09:00,205 [Helene] After six months in preparation, there was a mass, 143 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:04,743 and so we all dressed up like brides. 144 00:09:08,414 --> 00:09:12,061 Wearing the bridal gown is a way of symbolizing that 145 00:09:12,085 --> 00:09:15,887 you are going to be quote, "married to Christ." 146 00:09:17,957 --> 00:09:21,259 The priest blessed the habits... 147 00:09:24,096 --> 00:09:28,099 and then we dressed in the habit and came back in. 148 00:09:34,306 --> 00:09:38,176 And that's also when, if we were changing names, 149 00:09:38,243 --> 00:09:41,179 they gave us, you will be known in religion 150 00:09:41,246 --> 00:09:42,314 as sister so-and-so. 151 00:09:43,849 --> 00:09:46,696 [Anita] My name which was given to me by my mentor 152 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,620 was Sister Humiliata. 153 00:09:49,788 --> 00:09:51,189 Sister Mary Humiliata, 154 00:09:51,256 --> 00:09:53,970 I insisted on, to give it some humanity. 155 00:09:53,994 --> 00:09:57,640 But she decided that was a good way to personify for me 156 00:09:57,664 --> 00:10:01,566 the virtue of humility, which I guess she thought I needed. [laughs] 157 00:10:10,142 --> 00:10:12,922 [Ruth] We realized pretty soon that there were 158 00:10:12,946 --> 00:10:17,215 elements in religious life that really were, you know, 159 00:10:17,282 --> 00:10:19,884 not too rational. 160 00:10:19,952 --> 00:10:22,887 - [church bell rings] - The bell rang 161 00:10:22,955 --> 00:10:26,291 and we all went to mass at the same time. 162 00:10:26,358 --> 00:10:29,761 We were not supposed to speak in the convent 163 00:10:29,828 --> 00:10:32,097 unless it was a matter of charity. 164 00:10:32,164 --> 00:10:33,965 It was what we called the day silence. 165 00:10:37,036 --> 00:10:39,882 [Pat] Many of us read a book called Asylums 166 00:10:39,906 --> 00:10:43,174 about mental institutions. And when we read it, 167 00:10:43,242 --> 00:10:48,090 we began to realize that the same kinds of restrictions 168 00:10:48,114 --> 00:10:52,762 that were put on people in mental institutions were also 169 00:10:52,786 --> 00:10:56,554 the kinds of rules that controlled our lives. 170 00:11:00,126 --> 00:11:04,996 I'd spent long hours on my knees, long hours learning 171 00:11:05,064 --> 00:11:07,666 how to keep dust off the library books 172 00:11:07,733 --> 00:11:12,270 and learning how to care for elegant, old hardwood floors. 173 00:11:14,607 --> 00:11:18,977 I perceived myself to be really advancing in holiness. 174 00:11:20,479 --> 00:11:23,125 [Pat] My superior insisted that the youngest person 175 00:11:23,149 --> 00:11:25,750 at the dining table eat whatever 176 00:11:25,818 --> 00:11:28,330 was left on the platters. 177 00:11:28,354 --> 00:11:30,933 So if somebody didn't eat their poached egg 178 00:11:30,957 --> 00:11:33,135 then I had to eat two. 179 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:35,226 I gained 15 pounds. 180 00:11:38,697 --> 00:11:42,434 The minor rules and the infinitesimal 181 00:11:42,501 --> 00:11:48,017 attention to detail in every part of our lives was meant, 182 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:50,842 I think, to make us simply obey. 183 00:11:58,250 --> 00:12:00,696 [Clement] It was a patriarchal church, 184 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,501 and salvation came through a rigid obedience, 185 00:12:05,525 --> 00:12:08,593 and it was promoted through an oppressive guilt. 186 00:12:09,995 --> 00:12:12,263 That's how the American church was built. 187 00:12:18,938 --> 00:12:20,872 [man] The great Basilica of Saint Peter's, 188 00:12:20,939 --> 00:12:23,919 home of world Catholicism, towers majestically 189 00:12:23,943 --> 00:12:26,411 over the papal guards in full dress uniform. 190 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,683 The ceremony of elevation proceeds in all its solemnity, 191 00:12:31,750 --> 00:12:34,352 and Cardinal McIntyre advances to the throne to receive 192 00:12:34,419 --> 00:12:37,399 the highest honor a grateful church can bestow. 193 00:12:37,423 --> 00:12:40,959 He is now officially Francis Cardinal McIntyre. 194 00:12:53,439 --> 00:12:56,641 The priests in New York were said to have been very happy 195 00:12:56,708 --> 00:12:59,310 when McIntyre came to Los Angeles because they thought 196 00:12:59,378 --> 00:13:01,112 they were gonna have it easy when he left. 197 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:07,296 Because he was, he was tough. 198 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,166 I mean, he wanted something done, he'd ask you to do it, 199 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:11,456 he wanted it done yesterday. 200 00:13:15,928 --> 00:13:17,729 [Clement] He was rigid about everything. 201 00:13:17,796 --> 00:13:20,031 I mean, he wore a hat. 202 00:13:21,466 --> 00:13:23,835 I was his secretary, I had to wear a hat. 203 00:13:24,536 --> 00:13:25,781 I hated wearing a hat. 204 00:13:25,805 --> 00:13:28,540 [man] His brilliant financial mind and experience, 205 00:13:28,607 --> 00:13:30,742 gained before he entered the priesthood, 206 00:13:30,809 --> 00:13:32,477 has been brought to bear in the parishes 207 00:13:32,544 --> 00:13:34,012 and dioceses in which he has served. 208 00:13:35,214 --> 00:13:37,415 He now leaves to Los Angeles. 209 00:13:46,091 --> 00:13:48,960 [Francis] Cardinal McIntyre was very powerful in those days. 210 00:13:53,298 --> 00:13:56,234 All the big shots in the city and the politicians 211 00:13:56,769 --> 00:13:58,147 would court him. 212 00:13:58,171 --> 00:14:01,150 ♪ The best things in life are free ♪ 213 00:14:01,174 --> 00:14:03,808 Not into theology much, now. He's a businessman. 214 00:14:04,376 --> 00:14:07,957 ♪ I need money ♪ 215 00:14:07,981 --> 00:14:12,161 He was a runner on Wall Street before he was a priest 216 00:14:12,185 --> 00:14:14,519 and he knew Wall Street inside and out. 217 00:14:16,722 --> 00:14:19,568 [Anita] Financially, he was certainly a big help 218 00:14:19,592 --> 00:14:21,426 to the church in Los Angeles. 219 00:14:21,994 --> 00:14:23,862 As a builder. 220 00:14:23,929 --> 00:14:26,197 ♪ But your love don't pay my bills ♪ 221 00:14:26,265 --> 00:14:28,333 ♪ I need money ♪ 222 00:14:28,367 --> 00:14:31,513 - ♪ That's what I want ♪ - ♪ That's what I want ♪ 223 00:14:31,537 --> 00:14:33,671 [Clement] He came here in 1948, 224 00:14:33,739 --> 00:14:37,453 when southern California was exploding after the war. 225 00:14:37,477 --> 00:14:40,678 [Francis] So, naturally, the Catholic people here 226 00:14:40,746 --> 00:14:42,658 wanted more schools. 227 00:14:42,682 --> 00:14:46,484 We have in our pool, few schools today in this country. 228 00:14:46,551 --> 00:14:49,020 Six million children. 229 00:14:49,087 --> 00:14:53,858 And that's why I am standing up for true religion in our schools. 230 00:14:54,226 --> 00:14:56,872 [applause] 231 00:14:56,896 --> 00:14:59,341 [Pat] He was called the Educational Cardinal 232 00:14:59,365 --> 00:15:01,944 and built, I don't know how many schools. 233 00:15:01,968 --> 00:15:04,035 [Ruth] It felt like a new school was opening 234 00:15:04,102 --> 00:15:06,882 in Los Angeles every week. 235 00:15:06,906 --> 00:15:08,940 Who was going to teach in those schools? 236 00:15:10,976 --> 00:15:12,710 We sisters. 237 00:15:15,314 --> 00:15:18,627 [Francis] The McIntyre sisters were the largest community 238 00:15:18,651 --> 00:15:20,585 staffing our schools. 239 00:15:23,188 --> 00:15:27,392 [Anita] In a church school, the Cardinal had authority over that school. 240 00:15:27,459 --> 00:15:30,639 It wasn't our school just because we taught there. 241 00:15:30,663 --> 00:15:33,464 Those were his schools. 242 00:15:33,532 --> 00:15:37,579 And so, the pressure was put on communities to staff 243 00:15:37,603 --> 00:15:40,772 the schools beyond what was right, educationally. 244 00:15:48,547 --> 00:15:52,461 I think Cardinal McIntyre viewed women, at least nuns in this 245 00:15:52,485 --> 00:15:56,865 diocese, as coolie labor for his schools. 246 00:15:56,889 --> 00:15:59,290 ♪ Hey, sister Hey, sister ♪ 247 00:15:59,358 --> 00:16:01,759 ♪ Could you come a little closer? ♪ 248 00:16:01,827 --> 00:16:04,940 [Francis] McIntyre was a genius, financial genius, 249 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:10,101 because he realized that the greatest cost in almost 250 00:16:10,168 --> 00:16:11,769 everything is your salaries. 251 00:16:13,172 --> 00:16:17,019 You must remember that in those days nuns, 252 00:16:17,043 --> 00:16:18,776 they didn't get much of a salary. 253 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:21,957 [woman] We've taught for free. 254 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:26,517 No Social Security, no pension, no salary. 255 00:16:28,187 --> 00:16:31,456 We used to say the nuns took the vow of poverty and we kept it. 256 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:37,506 [Pat] So, the first day of school arrived 257 00:16:37,530 --> 00:16:42,111 and I brought my class up to the classroom and I thought, 258 00:16:42,135 --> 00:16:44,836 "Oh, my God, what do I do with all these kids?" 259 00:16:48,474 --> 00:16:51,320 Eighty three sixth and seventh graders. 260 00:16:51,344 --> 00:16:55,780 My first class was 80 kids. [laughs] 261 00:16:55,814 --> 00:16:57,926 I don't know to this day how many students I had. 262 00:16:57,950 --> 00:16:59,795 Maybe 70, maybe 80. 263 00:16:59,819 --> 00:17:03,688 The door would open and the priest would shove a couple more kids in. 264 00:17:05,223 --> 00:17:08,893 And I didn't have the skills that would have helped to do 265 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,206 the kind of job that should have been done. 266 00:17:11,230 --> 00:17:13,876 I mean, I didn't have a college degree at that point, 267 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:15,533 let alone a teaching credential. 268 00:17:17,969 --> 00:17:19,748 [Ruth] The idea was you put on a habit, 269 00:17:19,772 --> 00:17:22,507 you are teaching the kids. Your habit teaches them. 270 00:17:24,476 --> 00:17:27,045 For the majority of us, we were teaching 271 00:17:27,112 --> 00:17:30,759 and then gradually got our college education, 272 00:17:30,783 --> 00:17:34,496 going to classes on Saturday for a very long time. 273 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,188 On the other hand, you don't need a vast degree 274 00:17:37,255 --> 00:17:38,901 sometimes to teach third grade. 275 00:17:38,925 --> 00:17:40,725 You need a bunch of common sense. 276 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:48,644 There were legions of young nuns in classrooms where 277 00:17:48,668 --> 00:17:50,234 all they felt was defeat. 278 00:17:54,206 --> 00:17:56,674 I mean, all the stories about bad nuns 279 00:17:56,741 --> 00:17:58,276 I think come out of that period. 280 00:17:58,944 --> 00:18:00,478 [child howls] 281 00:18:08,687 --> 00:18:10,655 [indistinct chatter] 282 00:18:14,026 --> 00:18:16,160 [Anita] Cardinal McIntyre wanted everything 283 00:18:16,228 --> 00:18:20,142 under his authority, directly under his authority, 284 00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:24,480 but Immaculate Heart College was our school, we owned it. 285 00:18:24,504 --> 00:18:27,271 So we had much more freedom there. 286 00:18:29,575 --> 00:18:31,887 [woman] Immaculate Heart College, 287 00:18:31,911 --> 00:18:35,424 a college which promises its students you will become 288 00:18:35,448 --> 00:18:37,515 part of the tidal wave of exploration 289 00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,585 and never be the same. 290 00:18:40,652 --> 00:18:43,165 [Pat] I was very happy when I got an assignment to teach 291 00:18:43,189 --> 00:18:44,833 at the college. 292 00:18:44,857 --> 00:18:46,591 It's obvious, I think, that anyone who teaches 293 00:18:46,658 --> 00:18:49,972 or works in a college has much more freedom, 294 00:18:49,996 --> 00:18:52,130 you know, in many ways than one who teaches 295 00:18:52,197 --> 00:18:53,664 in the other part of the structure. 296 00:18:57,336 --> 00:19:00,449 [Lenore] Unlike the sisters who taught in the elementary 297 00:19:00,473 --> 00:19:02,140 and high schools, 298 00:19:02,207 --> 00:19:05,710 those of us who taught in the college went on to get our PhDs. 299 00:19:07,012 --> 00:19:11,059 So, the college was an exciting place to be, 300 00:19:11,083 --> 00:19:15,153 which made teaching really fun. Really fun. 301 00:19:17,556 --> 00:19:20,625 We were able to be part of the world 302 00:19:20,692 --> 00:19:24,495 and in tune with the issues of the day. 303 00:19:27,733 --> 00:19:31,680 [Dorothy] The college was so centrally located, it was on the same 304 00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:34,616 grounds as the Motherhouse, which was the main convent. 305 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,819 So, the things the college put on in the way of artistic 306 00:19:37,843 --> 00:19:41,690 productions, plays, lectures, art exhibits. 307 00:19:41,714 --> 00:19:45,160 People from the whole order could, if they wanted to, come to these. 308 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,519 Free is a singing word, shouting word, 309 00:19:48,587 --> 00:19:50,966 and it grows in sound as you say it. 310 00:19:50,990 --> 00:19:53,157 Kind of spreads around when you live it. 311 00:19:54,927 --> 00:19:59,063 [Mary] The college always provided an alternative education. 312 00:20:02,334 --> 00:20:05,136 But it was the years '63 to '70 313 00:20:05,203 --> 00:20:07,338 where everything was popping. 314 00:20:07,405 --> 00:20:09,273 [cheering] 315 00:20:09,341 --> 00:20:10,474 ["Daydream" playing] 316 00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:12,343 ♪ Daydream ♪ 317 00:20:12,411 --> 00:20:15,146 ♪ I fell asleep amid the flowers ♪ 318 00:20:16,014 --> 00:20:19,061 ♪ For a couple of hours ♪ 319 00:20:19,085 --> 00:20:21,919 ♪ On a beautiful day ♪ 320 00:20:23,355 --> 00:20:27,402 The Immaculate Heart College was alive with highly-trained, 321 00:20:27,426 --> 00:20:31,295 very bright, professionally-ambitious women. 322 00:20:31,363 --> 00:20:33,497 We would like to be able to say 323 00:20:33,565 --> 00:20:37,969 that a women's college is freer. 324 00:20:38,036 --> 00:20:40,549 [woman] This was a time when very few women 325 00:20:40,573 --> 00:20:42,173 received a college degree. 326 00:20:44,442 --> 00:20:48,490 The nuns who were college faculty had more degrees among them 327 00:20:48,514 --> 00:20:52,049 than all the priests in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. 328 00:20:52,117 --> 00:20:55,319 [woman] A political science class discusses disarmament. 329 00:21:00,859 --> 00:21:02,893 Nothing could not be discussed. 330 00:21:04,129 --> 00:21:06,464 We were encouraged to be experimental. 331 00:21:09,668 --> 00:21:12,870 Very famous people came to campus 332 00:21:12,937 --> 00:21:14,238 because they had heard about us. 333 00:21:15,274 --> 00:21:19,744 Like Buckminster Fuller, Charles and Ray Eames, 334 00:21:19,811 --> 00:21:22,446 Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden. 335 00:21:23,648 --> 00:21:28,697 Each department seemed to be really flourishing. 336 00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:32,034 The music department with the trio was traveling 337 00:21:32,058 --> 00:21:34,225 all over the United States and giving concerts. 338 00:21:36,461 --> 00:21:39,730 There was a telegram, would we consider recording 339 00:21:39,798 --> 00:21:42,600 the Schubert Trio in B flat for Capitol Records? 340 00:21:47,339 --> 00:21:50,608 The English department was publishing its own books. 341 00:21:50,675 --> 00:21:52,543 The science people were getting 342 00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:54,889 government grants to do research. 343 00:21:54,913 --> 00:21:57,548 The drama department was bringing in directors 344 00:21:57,615 --> 00:22:01,385 from England and Ireland to do plays with our students. 345 00:22:05,557 --> 00:22:08,025 Of course, by that time the biggest excitement 346 00:22:08,093 --> 00:22:11,362 and publicity was centered around the art department, 347 00:22:11,429 --> 00:22:14,332 where Corita was doing her serigraphs. 348 00:22:53,138 --> 00:22:59,588 [Mickey] I think that what drove Corita to become an artist was 349 00:22:59,612 --> 00:23:02,079 the circumstance that she found herself in. 350 00:23:02,147 --> 00:23:05,816 She was part of a community, and she needed to make 351 00:23:05,884 --> 00:23:07,863 a contribution to that community. 352 00:23:07,887 --> 00:23:12,089 And this is what came naturally to her. 353 00:23:12,157 --> 00:23:15,893 In the early days, especially, I was trying to make quote, 354 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:20,698 "religious art" that would be not quite as repulsive as what was around. [laughs] 355 00:23:26,371 --> 00:23:31,242 The work that Corita did was dealing with religious subjects 356 00:23:31,309 --> 00:23:33,210 in a very unusual way. 357 00:23:38,116 --> 00:23:41,919 So, this piece is representative of Corita's earlier work. 358 00:23:41,986 --> 00:23:43,621 It's called At Cana of Galilee. 359 00:23:47,526 --> 00:23:51,840 Corita's early work is very biblical, 360 00:23:51,864 --> 00:23:58,202 very much the product of someone who is exploring spirituality. 361 00:24:00,271 --> 00:24:04,608 The usual classical pictures of Mary and the saints 362 00:24:04,676 --> 00:24:07,912 and Jesus were totally different in her eyes. 363 00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:18,322 The negative reaction from the archdioceses happened right away. 364 00:24:22,694 --> 00:24:25,463 [Marian] The cardinal couldn't stand Corita's art. 365 00:24:26,431 --> 00:24:29,366 His idea of a Christmas card was 366 00:24:29,434 --> 00:24:32,214 the child Jesus in the manger with the shepherds, 367 00:24:32,238 --> 00:24:34,883 and Corita's idea of a Christmas card was a splash 368 00:24:34,907 --> 00:24:39,176 of red, black, blue, green, or gold, and calligraphy. 369 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,315 They were very, very nice cards, we thought. 370 00:24:45,283 --> 00:24:46,550 Well, the cardinal didn't, 371 00:24:46,618 --> 00:24:49,420 but then he had no idea what was good art. 372 00:24:57,295 --> 00:25:00,498 There are letters from the Archdiocese asking Corita 373 00:25:00,565 --> 00:25:06,548 not to depict the holy family because it was disturbing to parishioners. 374 00:25:06,572 --> 00:25:10,174 So, she is kind of forced to move into the direction 375 00:25:10,241 --> 00:25:13,622 that she moved into with her work, where she was using a lot more text 376 00:25:13,646 --> 00:25:16,291 and she was using figures because she was forbidden 377 00:25:16,315 --> 00:25:18,582 from depicting the holy family, specifically. 378 00:25:25,189 --> 00:25:27,791 The '60s were a time when people were saying, 379 00:25:27,859 --> 00:25:30,060 "Open up your minds to what's going on." 380 00:25:31,663 --> 00:25:35,777 And the college was very much part of that world. 381 00:25:35,801 --> 00:25:38,869 But this was a very conservative Catholic community 382 00:25:38,937 --> 00:25:40,181 in southern California, 383 00:25:40,205 --> 00:25:41,872 to the degree that good Catholics 384 00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:44,542 were not sending their daughters to Immaculate Heart College 385 00:25:44,609 --> 00:25:47,044 because they felt it was a little dangerous. 386 00:25:51,016 --> 00:25:56,687 So, at a certain point, the cardinal started censoring the faculty. 387 00:26:00,091 --> 00:26:04,028 [Francis] The problem with Immaculate Heart College was that it was 388 00:26:04,095 --> 00:26:07,275 very difficult for many Catholics to endure 389 00:26:07,299 --> 00:26:10,901 because the one thing people hate is change. 390 00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:22,446 It's very ordinary for churches and schools 391 00:26:22,513 --> 00:26:26,784 who are Catholic to celebrate a day in May in honor of Mary. 392 00:26:29,254 --> 00:26:31,455 [Marian] Mary's Day had been a very formal occasion. 393 00:26:31,522 --> 00:26:33,857 The students all wore cap and gown 394 00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:36,727 and carried white lilies. It was quite dreadful. 395 00:26:42,467 --> 00:26:44,379 I guess it was the first year that 396 00:26:44,403 --> 00:26:46,737 I was president of the college. 397 00:26:46,804 --> 00:26:50,207 Corita herself came along and said... 398 00:26:55,813 --> 00:26:59,461 And she said, "Isn't Mary's Day kind of trite 399 00:26:59,485 --> 00:27:04,933 and traditional, and not utilizing all of our talents?" 400 00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:08,336 And I said, "Well, yeah, probably that's so. 401 00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:10,628 Are you willing to plan something better?" 402 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,643 Well, this Mary's Day, I guess you could say that about all 403 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:29,246 Mary's Day, that we begin by, 404 00:27:29,313 --> 00:27:32,961 we tried to in the art department to make things 405 00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:35,452 which will give the campus a different look. 406 00:27:46,197 --> 00:27:48,132 We would try to have a theme each year, 407 00:27:48,199 --> 00:27:51,669 and in those years especially, I think there was 408 00:27:51,736 --> 00:27:54,849 so much happening that it was usually a social justice theme 409 00:27:54,873 --> 00:27:56,273 underlying it. 410 00:28:24,436 --> 00:28:26,870 Mary's Day was lots of fun. 411 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,644 I loved, you know, getting those flowers around my habit 412 00:28:33,711 --> 00:28:36,447 and doing the dance on the lawn and... 413 00:28:38,583 --> 00:28:41,362 I thought it was the kind of celebration that churches 414 00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:43,454 ought to have regularly. 415 00:28:45,790 --> 00:28:49,571 We did all these things to visually represent how Mary 416 00:28:49,595 --> 00:28:52,240 was seen by the people at the college, 417 00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:56,066 which was as an inspiration to all things good and holy. 418 00:29:30,501 --> 00:29:34,883 It was picked up very quickly by the newspapers and magazines. 419 00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:37,908 That, of course, drew much criticism 420 00:29:37,975 --> 00:29:39,610 from the cardinal's office. 421 00:29:40,578 --> 00:29:42,446 [gasps] They thought it was blasphemous. 422 00:29:43,848 --> 00:29:45,849 [foreboding music playing] 423 00:29:51,322 --> 00:29:55,926 The cardinal talked about Mary's Day being a scandalous thing. 424 00:29:58,129 --> 00:30:00,464 Offensive to the faithful, 425 00:30:03,735 --> 00:30:07,715 It wasn't his cup of tea, shall we say. [laughs] 426 00:30:07,739 --> 00:30:11,141 And he kept saying that our alumni 427 00:30:11,209 --> 00:30:13,054 were complaining to him. 428 00:30:13,078 --> 00:30:14,511 And that's quite possible. 429 00:30:14,545 --> 00:30:17,759 There were some very conservative alumni. 430 00:30:17,783 --> 00:30:21,285 But he had something in for Corita, so the fact that 431 00:30:21,352 --> 00:30:25,266 she was involved in the planning of it didn't help. 432 00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:27,558 Clouds were gathering over that congregation. 433 00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:30,661 I mean, that cardinal was not gonna put up with those uppity women. 434 00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:36,477 The Immaculate Heart sisters, and all of these new ideas, 435 00:30:36,501 --> 00:30:40,548 all became irritants to his perception of what should be 436 00:30:40,572 --> 00:30:42,139 and what ought to be. 437 00:30:43,641 --> 00:30:45,242 [woman] And then the following summer, 438 00:30:45,309 --> 00:30:49,646 Corita developed these series of her prints. 439 00:30:53,551 --> 00:30:57,487 That series was received publicly like wildfire. 440 00:31:00,024 --> 00:31:03,293 [man] The one that drove him berserk was that one of Mary. 441 00:31:03,361 --> 00:31:06,296 "She scrawled across it, " Mary, 442 00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:11,034 the juiciest tomato of them all." [laughing] 443 00:31:11,102 --> 00:31:12,870 Well, at that point, he had had enough. 444 00:31:18,576 --> 00:31:21,979 The most dramatic moment of Cardinal McIntyre's 445 00:31:22,046 --> 00:31:26,149 disapproval was he had announced that he was coming to visit us. 446 00:31:29,387 --> 00:31:32,256 The general counsel was having its meeting and the cardinal 447 00:31:32,323 --> 00:31:37,527 came in upon it and told us that we were becoming 448 00:31:37,595 --> 00:31:41,732 much too modern, that we would have to follow what he said. 449 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,445 He scared me most when he said, 450 00:31:44,469 --> 00:31:47,804 "If this goes on, I shall have to close the college." 451 00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:51,653 At the end of the conversation he said, 452 00:31:51,677 --> 00:31:53,810 "You will suffer for this." 453 00:31:59,884 --> 00:32:01,985 [church bell rings] 454 00:32:03,955 --> 00:32:05,689 [Clement] He was afraid. 455 00:32:05,756 --> 00:32:07,424 He was afraid for the church. 456 00:32:09,627 --> 00:32:13,541 Because the whole issue was caught in the middle 457 00:32:13,565 --> 00:32:16,733 of a much, much larger contest. 458 00:32:23,441 --> 00:32:26,955 I think that we have to trace our entire movement 459 00:32:26,979 --> 00:32:32,293 back to our precedent breaking event, Vatican II. 460 00:32:32,317 --> 00:32:38,188 There came about a period of profound discovery in our church. 461 00:32:38,255 --> 00:32:42,971 First of all, I think it was a discovery of the modern world. 462 00:32:42,995 --> 00:32:45,062 [man] The Vatican Ecumenical Council. 463 00:32:45,129 --> 00:32:47,531 This is only the second in 400 years. 464 00:32:47,598 --> 00:32:51,935 The council's immediate aim is to make church laws more compatible with modern times. 465 00:32:54,238 --> 00:32:57,452 [man 2] The council produced 16 documents designed 466 00:32:57,476 --> 00:33:00,610 to modernize the role of the church in world affairs. 467 00:33:01,946 --> 00:33:07,617 All the decrees of Vatican II brought enormous change 468 00:33:07,685 --> 00:33:10,420 to the culture of the church. 469 00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:15,603 For instance, the mass changed to be set in the local language 470 00:33:15,627 --> 00:33:18,028 instead of in Latin. 471 00:33:18,095 --> 00:33:21,031 And in the pre-Vatican II days there was this whole thing 472 00:33:21,098 --> 00:33:24,101 about women's blood being polluting. 473 00:33:24,168 --> 00:33:28,816 And so, women were not allowed into the sanctuary. 474 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:35,423 But, you suddenly had women serving in the area around the altar. 475 00:33:35,447 --> 00:33:37,381 That sent shockwaves. 476 00:33:43,054 --> 00:33:46,656 - Depends on what the question is. - [all laughing] 477 00:33:46,724 --> 00:33:50,304 [Pat] Cardinal McIntyre had been at the Second Vatican Council. 478 00:33:50,328 --> 00:33:54,931 We think he voted against every single document that was passed. 479 00:33:54,999 --> 00:33:58,112 There would only be about 11 votes against these beautiful 480 00:33:58,136 --> 00:34:01,671 documents and we was sure his was one of them. [laughs] 481 00:34:01,739 --> 00:34:04,318 That was a hard transition. 482 00:34:04,342 --> 00:34:07,855 And I don't think that Cardinal McIntyre, 483 00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:11,348 people of his generation, were reasonably prepared 484 00:34:11,415 --> 00:34:13,550 for the radical nature of the change. 485 00:34:20,157 --> 00:34:21,669 [Clement] People were polarized. 486 00:34:21,693 --> 00:34:23,760 The church was polarized. 487 00:34:23,828 --> 00:34:26,096 I'm really not happy with the change. 488 00:34:26,163 --> 00:34:31,479 It's very distracting, these new modern methods they have for mass. 489 00:34:31,503 --> 00:34:33,236 I think the church has a right to change. 490 00:34:33,304 --> 00:34:37,507 There can be no change in the divine institution 491 00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:40,210 and constitution of the church. 492 00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,432 [Helen] In the face of all that was going on in the world, 493 00:34:51,456 --> 00:34:54,702 we were in danger of becoming somewhat irrelevant 494 00:34:54,726 --> 00:34:57,661 and of taking the easy way. 495 00:34:57,728 --> 00:35:01,131 Do what you're told. Don't rock the boat. 496 00:35:01,198 --> 00:35:03,578 And, uh, clearly we were in a boat that 497 00:35:03,602 --> 00:35:05,435 needed desperately to be rocked. 498 00:35:08,005 --> 00:35:10,118 At the Immaculate Heart community 499 00:35:10,142 --> 00:35:13,110 we were hanging on every word that came out of Vatican II. 500 00:35:15,279 --> 00:35:18,281 For us, it was a very big deal, because it 501 00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:22,663 gave an official framework now with which to do the kinds 502 00:35:22,687 --> 00:35:25,622 of things that we were already doing at the college. 503 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:31,072 One of the first Second Vatican Council documents 504 00:35:31,096 --> 00:35:35,532 that we read was the decree of appropriate renewal of religious life. 505 00:35:53,918 --> 00:35:55,986 [laughter] 506 00:35:56,053 --> 00:36:01,424 Vatican II encouraged us to experiment with new ways of living. 507 00:36:07,698 --> 00:36:11,101 Almost immediately we began to issue questionnaires 508 00:36:11,168 --> 00:36:16,640 to our 540 members and to form commissions to talk about 509 00:36:16,707 --> 00:36:19,142 the chief issues in religious life. 510 00:36:20,244 --> 00:36:25,749 Testing, one, two... [speaking] 511 00:36:35,793 --> 00:36:37,905 [Frances] The changes that we were discussing 512 00:36:37,929 --> 00:36:42,866 were very encouraging because I found that the old convent structure 513 00:36:42,933 --> 00:36:45,969 so oppressive that I didn't want to continue. 514 00:36:48,405 --> 00:36:50,607 Adult women ought to be able to decide 515 00:36:50,674 --> 00:36:53,387 what time they go to bed, 516 00:36:53,411 --> 00:36:58,726 when they pray, and how many times, and no hierarchy 517 00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:02,552 should be involved in making those decisions for us. 518 00:37:03,487 --> 00:37:06,601 [all laughing] 519 00:37:06,625 --> 00:37:09,893 [Marian] There were just, what I suppose many people would 520 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,364 think trivial things, that we no longer had to observe. 521 00:37:14,431 --> 00:37:17,078 And it gave you a sense of freedom. 522 00:37:17,102 --> 00:37:20,414 [Pat] One of my favorite second Vatican Council documents 523 00:37:20,438 --> 00:37:22,683 is on the church in the modern world. 524 00:37:22,707 --> 00:37:25,686 It just starts off by saying we should make the joys 525 00:37:25,710 --> 00:37:31,581 and the anxieties and sufferings of all people our own. 526 00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:35,485 [woman speaking] 527 00:37:41,659 --> 00:37:45,573 Are we religious in the Roman Catholic Church comfortably 528 00:37:45,597 --> 00:37:49,966 isolated from all of the petty burdens placed upon mankind? 529 00:37:51,335 --> 00:37:53,937 With urban renewal and protests, 530 00:37:55,406 --> 00:37:58,908 with the war in Vietnam and the cause of peace. 531 00:38:00,144 --> 00:38:02,545 Can we make a contribution? 532 00:38:15,259 --> 00:38:17,327 [Patrice] I like this title. 533 00:38:17,394 --> 00:38:20,230 "Love trumps hate." 534 00:38:22,667 --> 00:38:24,668 There I am in the corner. 535 00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:28,338 Yeah. 536 00:38:28,405 --> 00:38:31,319 That's right during the march. 537 00:38:31,343 --> 00:38:33,677 Taking a rest. Taking a break. 538 00:38:35,412 --> 00:38:39,749 I get teary-eyed just thinking about all the different things 539 00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:46,456 you know, that terrible kind of hatred that built up in people. 540 00:39:04,375 --> 00:39:08,044 Yelling and screaming with their little kids next to 'em calling me things. 541 00:39:12,116 --> 00:39:15,363 I've never been called a whore. [chuckles] 542 00:39:15,387 --> 00:39:18,421 You know, I heard that name I don't know how many times. 543 00:39:21,525 --> 00:39:24,594 It was the first time I was afraid of white people. 544 00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:28,109 I was scared to death of the police 545 00:39:28,133 --> 00:39:30,311 and I was scared to death of every white man 546 00:39:30,335 --> 00:39:32,769 that was driving a car behind us. 547 00:39:35,272 --> 00:39:39,876 But that's when I realized this is how the people 548 00:39:39,943 --> 00:39:41,911 had to live day after day. 549 00:40:05,836 --> 00:40:08,705 The cause of justice is more important 550 00:40:08,772 --> 00:40:11,685 and that always stuck in my mind. 551 00:40:11,709 --> 00:40:17,914 No matter what may have to happen, you have to let go. Yeah. 552 00:40:20,251 --> 00:40:22,096 It was hard. 553 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,655 It was also a real spiritual awakening to what 554 00:40:25,722 --> 00:40:29,259 it means to really say you care for your neighbor. 555 00:40:29,326 --> 00:40:34,664 ♪ We shall overcome ♪ 556 00:40:34,731 --> 00:40:38,668 ♪ We shall overcome ♪ 557 00:40:38,735 --> 00:40:44,007 ♪ Someday ♪ 558 00:40:44,074 --> 00:40:50,191 When Cardinal McIntyre saw my name in the Los Angeles Times, 559 00:40:50,215 --> 00:40:56,831 he called Sister Anita and wanted to know who gave her permission 560 00:40:56,855 --> 00:40:59,589 to go to Selma, Alabama. 561 00:41:00,591 --> 00:41:01,758 [laughs] 562 00:41:08,732 --> 00:41:11,801 ♪ And now we've got a revolution ♪ 563 00:41:12,937 --> 00:41:15,115 [Sheila] One of the things you have to remember is 564 00:41:15,139 --> 00:41:17,051 the Immaculate Heart sisters 565 00:41:17,075 --> 00:41:19,787 were part of this youth rebellion. 566 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:24,214 The leaders might have been in their 40s and 50s, 567 00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:27,995 but their enthusiastic followers 568 00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:29,986 were these young nuns. 569 00:41:34,358 --> 00:41:36,737 [Dorothy] The '60s were a time of civil rights 570 00:41:36,761 --> 00:41:41,164 and incipient women's movement and rock 'n' roll and so on. 571 00:41:42,566 --> 00:41:43,944 So all these things were 572 00:41:43,968 --> 00:41:46,302 in the culture that we were breathing. 573 00:41:47,504 --> 00:41:51,641 I offered the college as a site for a number of programs 574 00:41:51,708 --> 00:41:54,822 critical of the Vietnam War. 575 00:41:54,846 --> 00:41:57,224 [woman] There was a big peace march here in Los Angeles 576 00:41:57,248 --> 00:42:01,695 and I remember the nuns in the school were marching with us 577 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,964 down Wilshire Boulevard. 578 00:42:03,988 --> 00:42:08,235 These ladies were kick-ass and kind of subversive. 579 00:42:08,259 --> 00:42:10,905 I used to demonstrate for the farmworkers. 580 00:42:10,929 --> 00:42:13,173 [chanting indistinctly] 581 00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:15,832 The farmworkers had called for a great boycott 582 00:42:15,866 --> 00:42:18,112 because of the terrible conditions. 583 00:42:18,136 --> 00:42:22,238 ♪ If I have to swim the ocean ♪ 584 00:42:26,944 --> 00:42:28,811 Yes. [laughs] 585 00:42:28,879 --> 00:42:30,613 A lot of times. 586 00:42:30,681 --> 00:42:33,394 ♪ It's not as simple as talking jive ♪ 587 00:42:33,418 --> 00:42:36,530 If you really believe something is wrong, then 588 00:42:36,554 --> 00:42:41,224 it's important to put your body on the line. 589 00:43:00,210 --> 00:43:02,345 So, as we started to talk about how should 590 00:43:02,412 --> 00:43:05,915 we be in the modern world, our own labor issues came up. 591 00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:09,018 We said that should not be the way 592 00:43:09,086 --> 00:43:10,931 people are introduced to being a nun. 593 00:43:10,955 --> 00:43:14,468 I mean, that has nothing to do with God or religion 594 00:43:14,492 --> 00:43:15,536 or the church. 595 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,805 That has to do with bad management. 596 00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:20,608 [man] When did you first begin to have reservations 597 00:43:20,632 --> 00:43:22,432 and doubts about the kind of 598 00:43:22,499 --> 00:43:25,435 formal ritual of life in this convent? 599 00:43:25,502 --> 00:43:29,750 So, when I began to get the long line of sisters 600 00:43:29,774 --> 00:43:31,374 coming in for personal advice, 601 00:43:31,441 --> 00:43:34,955 and to understand how the institutionalization 602 00:43:34,979 --> 00:43:40,183 of the whole system had been a dehumanizing one. 603 00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:44,387 When I began to see people trying to be free of all these things, 604 00:43:44,454 --> 00:43:46,033 then I kind of got 605 00:43:46,057 --> 00:43:48,902 a burning desire to free everyone. 606 00:43:48,926 --> 00:43:49,759 ["Along Comes Mary" playing] 607 00:43:51,662 --> 00:43:53,596 [woman] We realized that our labor problem 608 00:43:53,664 --> 00:43:55,498 was at the root of everything else. 609 00:43:56,466 --> 00:43:59,402 Well, after Vatican II, the order had 610 00:43:59,469 --> 00:44:03,072 an official approach to deal with these issues. 611 00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:06,275 ♪ Every time I think that I'm the only one who's lonely ♪ 612 00:44:06,343 --> 00:44:08,922 ♪ Someone calls on me ♪ 613 00:44:08,946 --> 00:44:10,213 We had these meetings, 614 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,794 and people complained about the conditions of their jobs, 615 00:44:13,818 --> 00:44:16,352 overcrowded classrooms, sleep deprived, 616 00:44:16,420 --> 00:44:18,532 and the worst of all was they weren't trained. 617 00:44:18,556 --> 00:44:19,856 [speaking] 618 00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:36,083 ♪ And then along comes Mary ♪ 619 00:44:36,107 --> 00:44:39,086 ♪ And does she want to set them free, and let them see reality ♪ 620 00:44:39,110 --> 00:44:43,290 ♪ from where she got her name ♪ 621 00:44:43,314 --> 00:44:45,693 Then we began saying, all right, we have to stand up 622 00:44:45,717 --> 00:44:47,294 and say this is what we will do, 623 00:44:47,318 --> 00:44:49,029 and this is what we won't do. 624 00:44:49,053 --> 00:44:50,164 Classroom size. 625 00:44:50,188 --> 00:44:52,255 Sure, public schools say twenty-something. 626 00:44:52,322 --> 00:44:55,058 Well, we can go up to maybe, you know, 40. 627 00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:57,860 But 72? 628 00:44:57,928 --> 00:45:00,596 And we had to be allowed to go to college first, 629 00:45:00,664 --> 00:45:01,731 at least two years. 630 00:45:01,798 --> 00:45:03,499 [speaking] 631 00:45:09,006 --> 00:45:10,573 [laughter] 632 00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,539 I have this at home. I love that. 633 00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:35,565 "Passion is the very fact of God and man." 634 00:45:40,704 --> 00:45:41,904 Hello, Ray. 635 00:45:41,972 --> 00:45:44,974 Hello. How are you? 636 00:45:45,041 --> 00:45:46,709 - I'm good. - Good to see you. 637 00:45:46,777 --> 00:45:47,844 What are you doing? 638 00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:50,179 I am sorting some prints. 639 00:45:50,247 --> 00:45:52,760 [Lenore] Is there anything we could just use to march with? 640 00:45:52,784 --> 00:45:53,750 [Ray] Yeah. 641 00:45:57,387 --> 00:45:59,767 This is really pertinent. 642 00:45:59,791 --> 00:46:01,769 "The rights of all men are diminished 643 00:46:01,793 --> 00:46:04,994 - "when the rights of one man are threatened." - Uh-huh. 644 00:46:05,061 --> 00:46:07,775 You know, I think Corita really wanted, 645 00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:11,400 especially during the mid-'60s wanted to bring as much 646 00:46:11,468 --> 00:46:14,203 positivity as she could to things. 647 00:46:14,271 --> 00:46:16,116 And really talked about how she wanted things to be 648 00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:18,919 beautiful and joyful and I don't think the anger 649 00:46:18,943 --> 00:46:21,477 came in until a little bit later for her. 650 00:46:21,545 --> 00:46:25,882 It seemed like more late-'60s that there was a little bit 651 00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:29,263 more of an edge to her messages. 652 00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:31,331 But by that time she'd been through everything 653 00:46:31,355 --> 00:46:34,001 with the cardinal, and so, to me, that makes sense. 654 00:46:34,025 --> 00:46:38,138 What's an example of the anger or the edge? 655 00:46:38,162 --> 00:46:41,697 Um, like, the ones that are the heroes and she-roes. 656 00:46:43,300 --> 00:46:45,946 It's all representative of her style of work, 657 00:46:45,970 --> 00:46:48,638 but you have a piece like The American Sampler, 658 00:46:48,705 --> 00:46:52,675 where she's making this intense criticism of Vietnam. 659 00:46:55,512 --> 00:46:59,282 Or the putting together the Vietcong and the slave ship. 660 00:47:01,184 --> 00:47:04,520 The messages that she is delivering in these pieces 661 00:47:04,588 --> 00:47:08,502 are America is doing something morally wrong, 662 00:47:08,526 --> 00:47:12,328 so the difference between that and God is Bread, 663 00:47:12,395 --> 00:47:16,199 and Love Your Brother, seems like she's kind of like, 664 00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:18,134 she flipped a switch at some point. 665 00:47:22,739 --> 00:47:24,874 ♪ People try to put her down ♪ 666 00:47:24,941 --> 00:47:26,142 [Anita] Cardinal McIntyre, 667 00:47:26,209 --> 00:47:28,511 he wanted everything that Corita did, 668 00:47:29,413 --> 00:47:32,125 that she created, to be supervised 669 00:47:32,149 --> 00:47:34,661 by a group of parish priests, 670 00:47:34,685 --> 00:47:38,465 which would have been impossible for Corita 671 00:47:38,489 --> 00:47:40,756 and would have caused a good deal of laughter, really. 672 00:47:44,861 --> 00:47:48,842 The way she took things like that was always as a joke. 673 00:47:48,866 --> 00:47:50,177 It didn't mean anything to her. 674 00:47:50,201 --> 00:47:51,845 You know, she would just not do it. 675 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:52,702 [no audio] 676 00:48:01,211 --> 00:48:03,190 The negative attention that she was getting 677 00:48:03,214 --> 00:48:06,749 from the Archdiocese just fueled the fire and just really kept 678 00:48:06,816 --> 00:48:10,052 the snowball of her fame and her recognition going. 679 00:48:14,625 --> 00:48:16,692 Corita's work was being sold. 680 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,095 It was on the covers of magazines. 681 00:48:21,431 --> 00:48:24,367 She was having exhibits all over the world. 682 00:48:29,506 --> 00:48:32,842 She was on the Christmas issue of Newsweek magazine, 683 00:48:32,909 --> 00:48:35,945 as the literal cover girl for the modern nun. 684 00:48:37,647 --> 00:48:39,693 [man] As she was becoming more and more famed, 685 00:48:39,717 --> 00:48:41,851 she was also becoming braver. 686 00:48:41,918 --> 00:48:44,387 I suppose that if you're devious enough, 687 00:48:44,454 --> 00:48:47,390 I think you can work it to your own end. 688 00:48:47,457 --> 00:48:48,969 To your own end. 689 00:48:48,993 --> 00:48:50,904 Yes, I think sister Corita has given us 690 00:48:50,928 --> 00:48:53,663 the sense that nothing need be taboo. 691 00:48:55,598 --> 00:49:01,337 [woman] Corita was fortunate to be one of a dynamic group of women. 692 00:49:04,140 --> 00:49:08,188 They were highly educated women who were tasting freedom 693 00:49:08,212 --> 00:49:09,478 and liking the taste. 694 00:49:17,087 --> 00:49:18,799 Is it thought to be a characteristic 695 00:49:18,823 --> 00:49:20,867 of nuns that they should have pride? 696 00:49:20,891 --> 00:49:23,092 [gasps] Oh, no. Not at all. 697 00:49:23,159 --> 00:49:26,429 Humility is considered really the basic virtue 698 00:49:26,496 --> 00:49:31,678 of the so-called religious virtues or virtues of the religious life. 699 00:49:31,702 --> 00:49:33,336 - But, see-- - [man] You don't agree with that, do you? 700 00:49:34,304 --> 00:49:36,572 Well, I do, if you define humility 701 00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:38,841 rather carefully as truth. 702 00:49:38,908 --> 00:49:42,356 And in that comes a very simple acknowledgment 703 00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:44,513 of what you are and what you are supposed to do. 704 00:49:44,581 --> 00:49:47,450 But if you think of humility as a kind of cloak, 705 00:49:47,517 --> 00:49:52,299 of kind of subservience, conformity, that looks good, 706 00:49:52,323 --> 00:49:56,370 but it's very easy to look humble and not be at all. 707 00:49:56,394 --> 00:49:58,171 How does one judge humility, you know? 708 00:49:58,195 --> 00:49:59,795 I mean, how do you measure it? 709 00:49:59,863 --> 00:50:01,998 Um, which people really are humble? 710 00:50:02,065 --> 00:50:03,032 It's hard to say. 711 00:50:13,276 --> 00:50:16,078 [man] In keeping with the modernization of Catholic liturgy 712 00:50:16,146 --> 00:50:18,825 and ecumenical thought, the tradition-bound 713 00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:21,217 dress of nuns is being altered radically. 714 00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:26,600 The official document that came out of Vatican II said, 715 00:50:26,624 --> 00:50:28,224 "experiment in stages." 716 00:50:30,693 --> 00:50:34,141 And then after a few years, good scientific method, 717 00:50:34,165 --> 00:50:36,143 you re-examine them again. 718 00:50:36,167 --> 00:50:40,970 So, as all the little changes and experiments continued, 719 00:50:41,905 --> 00:50:43,305 we began to see more 720 00:50:43,339 --> 00:50:45,508 and more discussion on the issue of the habit. 721 00:50:47,644 --> 00:50:51,625 Why dressing as a medieval woman dresses 722 00:50:51,649 --> 00:50:55,362 would make one more Christian, more holy? 723 00:50:55,386 --> 00:50:58,632 It's hard now to figure out. 724 00:50:58,656 --> 00:51:01,257 We have to drive cars, we have to board planes. 725 00:51:01,324 --> 00:51:03,437 We have to do all kinds of things 726 00:51:03,461 --> 00:51:05,628 that make this out of place. 727 00:51:08,465 --> 00:51:10,066 [Pat speaking] 728 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,591 [man] Until recently, the nuns had no personal possessions 729 00:51:24,615 --> 00:51:25,548 and no money. 730 00:51:28,751 --> 00:51:31,420 Now they are given $20 a month to dress as modern women. 731 00:51:31,488 --> 00:51:34,223 Did you look at the 14s down here or did you just look at the 12s? 732 00:51:34,290 --> 00:51:35,691 I think we only looked at 12s. 733 00:51:36,493 --> 00:51:38,227 Let's go down this way, then. 734 00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:42,932 [woman] It wasn't universal at first. 735 00:51:42,966 --> 00:51:45,401 Certain groups would try this and try that. 736 00:51:52,642 --> 00:51:55,077 And then it was to be voted on. 737 00:51:59,516 --> 00:52:02,896 [Anita] Somehow now with the changing into contemporary clothing, 738 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,255 the habit has become a symbol of a whole system 739 00:52:06,322 --> 00:52:08,724 of uniformity and conformity 740 00:52:08,791 --> 00:52:12,461 in which we no longer believe as we did before. 741 00:52:12,529 --> 00:52:15,865 I personally would find it very difficult to return. 742 00:52:25,709 --> 00:52:27,643 [man] How long is it since you've worn the habit? 743 00:52:29,479 --> 00:52:33,949 Since last October, which I guess is about six months, isn't it? 744 00:52:34,017 --> 00:52:35,996 [man] And now that you've got your habit on again, 745 00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:38,420 do you really feel exactly the same dressed like that 746 00:52:38,488 --> 00:52:40,333 as you do in your ordinary clothes? 747 00:52:40,357 --> 00:52:41,190 No. 748 00:52:42,892 --> 00:52:45,272 I never realized that till just now, I don't think, 749 00:52:45,296 --> 00:52:46,673 but no, I don't. 750 00:52:46,697 --> 00:52:50,210 That experience with him, just in a few minutes... 751 00:52:50,234 --> 00:52:54,236 was a lesson for me because I had actually argued against changing 752 00:52:54,304 --> 00:52:56,082 the habit in the beginning of the whole thing. 753 00:52:56,106 --> 00:52:59,575 I thought it was a kind of silly issue. 754 00:52:59,642 --> 00:53:04,113 [man] Does anybody here feel that it's a pity that they've removed the habit? 755 00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:07,850 Well, I know that having a woman in some 756 00:53:07,917 --> 00:53:12,365 kind of dress from completely another period automatically 757 00:53:12,389 --> 00:53:13,722 does put up a barrier. 758 00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:15,724 In this way, you know that they are people. 759 00:53:15,792 --> 00:53:17,526 They are now people. 760 00:53:17,594 --> 00:53:19,239 [man] I find you completely different. 761 00:53:19,263 --> 00:53:21,664 I find my response to you totally different now. 762 00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:24,844 And I've seen you and talked to you 763 00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:26,112 in your civilian clothes. 764 00:53:26,136 --> 00:53:28,404 I would want to ask you what you mean by totally different? 765 00:53:29,272 --> 00:53:31,051 I feel a certain kind of... 766 00:53:31,075 --> 00:53:34,187 uh, an awareness of the fact that you won't ever be able 767 00:53:34,211 --> 00:53:35,522 to agree with any point of view 768 00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:37,791 that I may hold on any serious subject 769 00:53:37,815 --> 00:53:42,017 that will always be modified by the odor of sanctity. 770 00:53:42,085 --> 00:53:45,487 And secondly, that I have got to censor my speech, 771 00:53:45,555 --> 00:53:48,624 my activities, and the way I express things 772 00:53:48,691 --> 00:53:51,660 so as not to put you in an awkward position. 773 00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:18,520 - Abstinence. - [all laughing] 774 00:54:18,588 --> 00:54:21,590 [Lenore] On the one hand, it was an exciting time, 775 00:54:21,658 --> 00:54:26,895 but there were also some sisters who did not approve of the changes. 776 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,016 It was pretty scary, because we knew that among us 777 00:54:47,083 --> 00:54:52,321 there was the sabotage of our plans. 778 00:54:57,427 --> 00:55:02,975 [Pat] Gatherings of a small group were being held in our own premises. 779 00:55:02,999 --> 00:55:06,413 The two people who led that group, Sister Joanne, 780 00:55:06,437 --> 00:55:11,151 and Sister Eileen, were hypocrites. 781 00:55:11,175 --> 00:55:13,286 Excuse me, but they were hypocrites. 782 00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:18,180 [Marian] They said what they wanted was to restore the original 783 00:55:18,247 --> 00:55:21,628 religious spirit in the community, which struck me 784 00:55:21,652 --> 00:55:24,520 as being rather strange, because they didn't always turn up 785 00:55:24,587 --> 00:55:26,955 for prayers when the rest of us did. 786 00:55:29,859 --> 00:55:32,795 [Rita] Sister Eileen kept Cardinal McIntyre 787 00:55:32,862 --> 00:55:35,864 totally in touch with what was happening. 788 00:55:35,932 --> 00:55:37,644 I know she did. 789 00:55:37,668 --> 00:55:41,937 Because she would tell us the different things that she was telling him. 790 00:55:43,206 --> 00:55:47,787 They were like little spies inside the community that 791 00:55:47,811 --> 00:55:50,079 reported all the little changes 792 00:55:50,146 --> 00:55:52,348 and experiments to the cardinal. 793 00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:58,087 She had him around her little finger 794 00:55:58,154 --> 00:56:00,489 and he called her his little angel. 795 00:56:00,556 --> 00:56:02,858 And I mean, it's just "blech." 796 00:56:04,827 --> 00:56:07,596 It's like having an enemy within your camp. 797 00:56:09,899 --> 00:56:13,869 They just decided, I guess, that there would be a conflict, 798 00:56:14,637 --> 00:56:15,704 which there was. 799 00:56:22,445 --> 00:56:24,157 [man clears throat] 800 00:56:24,181 --> 00:56:28,417 [man] Do you know why your community is being investigated? 801 00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,590 The cardinal decided on a new method of bringing, 802 00:56:34,657 --> 00:56:37,259 um, correction into the community. 803 00:56:37,326 --> 00:56:41,374 And that was by sending a group of priests 804 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,977 to interrogate every sister about 805 00:56:44,001 --> 00:56:46,846 what she thought of the way the community was going. 806 00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:48,270 [man] Don't you think it will take 807 00:56:48,337 --> 00:56:51,807 too much time to fix your hair if you were to change your habit? 808 00:56:51,874 --> 00:56:54,187 [man 2] Is the rule of silence being kept? 809 00:56:54,211 --> 00:56:56,545 [man 3] Where will all of this experimentation 810 00:56:56,612 --> 00:56:58,013 lead your community? 811 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:02,451 Each of us were interviewed several times by different representatives. 812 00:57:05,755 --> 00:57:08,891 I prefer not to go into the details 813 00:57:08,958 --> 00:57:11,671 because they are really rather embarrassing. 814 00:57:11,695 --> 00:57:13,807 [man] Do you think the sisters' sex life 815 00:57:13,831 --> 00:57:15,408 is affected by reading novels? 816 00:57:15,432 --> 00:57:18,434 [man 2] Do you know how pornographic Ulysses is? 817 00:57:18,501 --> 00:57:21,470 [man 3] Do you want to look like a floozy on Hollywood Boulevard? 818 00:57:26,776 --> 00:57:31,380 [Anita] And then they relayed the message back to the cardinal 819 00:57:31,447 --> 00:57:34,761 that our community was moving too fast 820 00:57:34,785 --> 00:57:39,154 and that we were very much determined on our progression. 821 00:57:47,530 --> 00:57:51,533 By the time we came to 1967, 822 00:57:51,601 --> 00:57:54,470 we had an assembly for the community 823 00:57:54,537 --> 00:57:58,651 as a whole to vote for all the changes 824 00:57:58,675 --> 00:58:01,076 that we had been introducing. 825 00:58:02,745 --> 00:58:04,413 [speaking] 826 00:58:07,083 --> 00:58:10,686 Everybody had been studying the issues and we were quite 827 00:58:10,753 --> 00:58:12,688 well-prepared for this assembly. 828 00:58:28,104 --> 00:58:30,372 I had trepidation only, you know, 829 00:58:30,439 --> 00:58:32,007 for politically what might happen to us. 830 00:58:49,392 --> 00:58:52,572 We knew Cardinal McIntyre had told us very early that 831 00:58:52,596 --> 00:58:56,465 unless we stopped our course of making changes 832 00:58:56,532 --> 00:58:59,468 that we would pay dearly. 833 00:59:09,746 --> 00:59:10,579 [Anita] Yeah. 834 00:59:16,485 --> 00:59:21,023 [Lenore] My feeling was that those in authority in the Archdiocese 835 00:59:21,090 --> 00:59:23,792 were intrusive and unjust. 836 00:59:24,494 --> 00:59:28,074 And that as women religious, 837 00:59:28,098 --> 00:59:31,700 we could determine our own destiny. 838 00:59:31,734 --> 00:59:34,747 [woman] It was time to just take the bull by the horns 839 00:59:34,771 --> 00:59:38,307 and vote for all the changes. 840 00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:51,320 - [gavel banging] - [woman speaking] 841 01:00:01,130 --> 01:00:02,397 [women speaking] 842 01:00:02,932 --> 01:00:04,299 [gavel banging] 843 01:00:07,336 --> 01:00:12,118 ♪ You told me once I have a rebel heart ♪ 844 01:00:12,142 --> 01:00:14,053 - [woman] All in favor? - [women] Aye. 845 01:00:14,077 --> 01:00:17,056 ♪ I don't know if that's true ♪ 846 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,861 ♪ But I believe you saw something in me ♪ 847 01:00:21,885 --> 01:00:23,919 ♪ That lives inside ♪ 848 01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:26,088 [woman] Proposal 27. 849 01:00:26,155 --> 01:00:30,025 I remember making the motion on the floor that we make 850 01:00:30,092 --> 01:00:32,327 the wearing of the habit voluntary. 851 01:00:37,367 --> 01:00:38,500 And it passed. 852 01:00:38,567 --> 01:00:41,614 ♪ I don't know what it is ♪ 853 01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:45,507 ♪ That makes me run ♪ 854 01:00:45,574 --> 01:00:51,624 ♪ That makes me want to shout at everything ♪ 855 01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:53,448 ♪ That I have done ♪ 856 01:00:53,516 --> 01:00:58,186 So out of that year's assembly came what are essentially 857 01:00:58,254 --> 01:01:02,357 our decrees on the spirit in which we govern ourselves. 858 01:01:06,729 --> 01:01:08,975 I was aware that something great was happening. 859 01:01:08,999 --> 01:01:12,000 The ground was beginning to break underneath. 860 01:01:14,871 --> 01:01:19,808 If you look back on it now, I feel it's really a marvelous, 861 01:01:19,875 --> 01:01:21,743 incredible statement of women. 862 01:01:21,811 --> 01:01:27,860 ♪ Because of my rebel heart ♪ 863 01:01:27,884 --> 01:01:31,620 ♪ Is it all because ♪ 864 01:01:31,687 --> 01:01:37,392 ♪ Of my rebel heart? ♪ 865 01:01:39,629 --> 01:01:43,298 [woman] It must have been a terrible shock for the cardinal. 866 01:01:43,365 --> 01:01:46,535 Because he'd never come up against anything like this before. 867 01:01:56,645 --> 01:01:59,581 [man speaking] 868 01:01:59,648 --> 01:02:02,228 [man] It would appear the action of the chapter 869 01:02:02,252 --> 01:02:06,455 presents to the Archdiocese of Los Angeles an ultimatum. 870 01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:12,260 Our policy as stated is that we wish sisters 871 01:02:12,328 --> 01:02:16,843 teaching in our parochial schools to wear a uniform habit 872 01:02:16,867 --> 01:02:20,513 that is immediately recognizable as the garb of a woman 873 01:02:20,537 --> 01:02:24,717 dedicated to the service of God in religion. 874 01:02:24,741 --> 01:02:29,678 They were expected to wear a habit in teaching 875 01:02:29,745 --> 01:02:31,546 because they'd always worn a habit. 876 01:02:31,614 --> 01:02:34,393 [man] It is evident therefore that the decision 877 01:02:34,417 --> 01:02:36,618 rests with your community. 878 01:02:40,289 --> 01:02:43,736 [Anita] Changing clothes should not make one fit or not fit 879 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,460 to teach at a school. 880 01:02:46,629 --> 01:02:49,231 So why is that so important to him? 881 01:02:51,033 --> 01:02:52,211 It was important to him 882 01:02:52,235 --> 01:02:56,682 because the habit signified that we belonged to the church 883 01:02:56,706 --> 01:03:00,008 and therefore we belonged under his authority also. 884 01:03:01,644 --> 01:03:05,958 We just knew that nothing we would do or explain would ever 885 01:03:05,982 --> 01:03:08,049 make sense to him. 886 01:03:08,117 --> 01:03:11,453 [woman] Your eminence, we did not close our ears 887 01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,122 to your request for reconsideration. 888 01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:17,503 We struggled, however, to find some way in which 889 01:03:17,527 --> 01:03:21,196 your authority and our autonomy might be reconciled. 890 01:03:22,798 --> 01:03:25,778 At this time we conclude reluctantly 891 01:03:25,802 --> 01:03:28,603 that we are indeed at an impasse. 892 01:03:28,671 --> 01:03:32,140 Sincerely in Christ, the IHM sisters. 893 01:03:35,745 --> 01:03:38,213 [man] My dear Mother Humiliata, 894 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:42,595 in the presence of your seeming attitude to ignore this feature, 895 01:03:42,619 --> 01:03:45,798 we shall proceed to arrange for the withdrawal 896 01:03:45,822 --> 01:03:48,356 of your community from our schools. 897 01:03:49,792 --> 01:03:52,227 This was like a bombshell. 898 01:03:52,294 --> 01:03:53,739 [Marian] I couldn't believe it. 899 01:03:53,763 --> 01:03:56,498 And some people took it, I think, very hard. 900 01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:09,110 He fired us from the schools, and that's a whole 901 01:04:09,178 --> 01:04:11,290 lot of schools and a whole lot of people. 902 01:04:11,314 --> 01:04:12,247 Two hundred some people. 903 01:04:13,515 --> 01:04:17,052 For him, our leaving the schools was not good, 904 01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,721 because he had to fill all the positions 905 01:04:19,788 --> 01:04:21,690 in the schools that we left. 906 01:04:28,731 --> 01:04:30,065 [Rosa] That was my class. 907 01:04:35,071 --> 01:04:36,805 From six years of age on, 908 01:04:36,872 --> 01:04:39,808 I wanted to be with the Immaculate Heart sisters. 909 01:04:39,875 --> 01:04:42,210 So, I went to Queen of Angels Elementary 910 01:04:42,278 --> 01:04:44,346 and Queen of Angels High School. 911 01:04:44,413 --> 01:04:47,682 During the time of the changes in their group. 912 01:04:48,550 --> 01:04:49,417 There. 913 01:04:50,886 --> 01:04:54,890 They helped me to expand what I knew about the world 914 01:04:54,957 --> 01:04:56,191 and to think critically, 915 01:04:56,959 --> 01:04:59,895 to question authority. 916 01:04:59,962 --> 01:05:02,097 I think that that was a very important thing for... 917 01:05:03,098 --> 01:05:07,435 for young women of color to be able to absorb. 918 01:05:08,704 --> 01:05:10,016 [man] This Catholic high school 919 01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,085 in downtown Los Angeles will be closed for lack of staff 920 01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:17,023 when the sisters of the Immaculate Heart leave the classrooms. 921 01:05:17,047 --> 01:05:21,149 The school specializes in giving chances to children from racial minorities. 922 01:05:22,651 --> 01:05:25,765 [Rosa] It was easier, I guess, to close that school down, 923 01:05:25,789 --> 01:05:28,768 than to close down another place where there were people 924 01:05:28,792 --> 01:05:30,125 with more resources. 925 01:05:31,660 --> 01:05:33,161 [man speaking] 926 01:05:39,401 --> 01:05:41,069 - No. Not at all. - No. Not at all. 927 01:05:41,804 --> 01:05:43,582 Yes, I know those girls. 928 01:05:43,606 --> 01:05:46,385 Although it does hurt us, and it hurts us very deeply. 929 01:05:46,409 --> 01:05:47,586 We welcome it in a way, 930 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:49,855 because we know that this change has been... 931 01:05:49,879 --> 01:05:52,414 It's been a long time coming, and we need it. 932 01:05:52,481 --> 01:05:56,128 When I was there, we had books that were falling apart in our hands, 933 01:05:56,152 --> 01:05:58,064 and they were very outdated. 934 01:05:58,088 --> 01:06:00,088 And the classes were crowded, 935 01:06:00,155 --> 01:06:03,024 fifty kids plus to one teacher. 936 01:06:03,092 --> 01:06:07,028 And many times that teacher was fresh out of high school herself. 937 01:06:07,096 --> 01:06:09,364 We're still willing to do it because we know that 938 01:06:09,431 --> 01:06:12,945 the sisters are a very small part of a large movement 939 01:06:12,969 --> 01:06:15,337 that has to take place and is going to take place. 940 01:06:20,042 --> 01:06:23,244 These girls were demonstrating in front of the Chancery Office 941 01:06:23,312 --> 01:06:26,492 to ask the cardinal to leave our school open. 942 01:06:26,516 --> 01:06:28,183 They said that he met with them 943 01:06:28,250 --> 01:06:29,784 but he had nothing to say to them 944 01:06:29,852 --> 01:06:31,987 except, "May God have mercy on your soul," 945 01:06:32,054 --> 01:06:34,656 and sent them on their way, and they came down in tears 946 01:06:34,723 --> 01:06:37,959 because the school was gonna be closed no matter what. 947 01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:44,799 I downright hated the cardinal for several years. 948 01:06:46,735 --> 01:06:51,406 I would say that that whole incident taught me that 949 01:06:51,473 --> 01:06:55,510 the church could manipulate words and human lives. 950 01:06:57,312 --> 01:07:00,915 But I'm not the only one that got hurt by an institution. 951 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:14,874 After we were fired from the schools, I went to Rome, 952 01:07:14,898 --> 01:07:19,167 to the Vatican, and presented our case against the cardinal. 953 01:07:22,971 --> 01:07:25,373 [Mary] Other communities were very supportive. 954 01:07:25,441 --> 01:07:27,486 They were right behind us. 955 01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:31,357 You know, I was mobbed by various sisters of various communities. 956 01:07:31,381 --> 01:07:33,415 "Tell us, what's the latest? What's happening?" 957 01:07:37,586 --> 01:07:43,035 And then, in November of 1967, we were sent notice 958 01:07:43,059 --> 01:07:47,228 from Rome that they were sending a priest to us. 959 01:07:48,597 --> 01:07:52,000 This priest visited. His name was Father Gallagher. 960 01:07:52,067 --> 01:07:53,579 And when he came, 961 01:07:53,603 --> 01:07:58,206 we were immediately struck by his lack of friendliness 962 01:07:58,273 --> 01:08:01,743 and we knew that he was going to be very critical of us. 963 01:08:04,279 --> 01:08:09,317 After some months, he sent what became a rather historical document, 964 01:08:10,219 --> 01:08:12,654 the famous Four Points. 965 01:08:24,166 --> 01:08:29,815 This document was shaking, because it became widely publicized. 966 01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:32,885 It was not just a letter destined solely for us 967 01:08:32,909 --> 01:08:35,287 as Immaculate Heart sisters, 968 01:08:35,311 --> 01:08:37,579 it was a letter to the whole United States, 969 01:08:37,646 --> 01:08:39,114 every sister in the United States. 970 01:08:43,852 --> 01:08:47,922 By order of Rome, these were the points to be followed. 971 01:08:48,791 --> 01:08:51,493 [woman speaking] 972 01:08:53,529 --> 01:08:57,866 [Anita] It said we had to follow the same prayer schedule 973 01:08:57,933 --> 01:09:00,335 for everybody at the same time. 974 01:09:06,876 --> 01:09:10,478 In other words, every sister was to be a teacher. 975 01:09:16,819 --> 01:09:20,421 We were to follow the regulations of the cardinal. 976 01:09:21,423 --> 01:09:23,658 He was the boss. 977 01:09:26,695 --> 01:09:29,430 Wear a uniform habit. 978 01:09:34,837 --> 01:09:40,375 The sisters were shaken that an outside force could tell us 979 01:09:40,442 --> 01:09:41,976 what to do. 980 01:09:42,011 --> 01:09:45,157 When the Immaculate Heart situation occurred, 981 01:09:45,181 --> 01:09:49,851 it was necessary then to set out guidelines which would influence 982 01:09:49,918 --> 01:09:52,787 the other religious communities of women. 983 01:09:52,854 --> 01:09:57,192 The Immaculate Heart sisters really set the tone for a lot 984 01:09:57,259 --> 01:09:59,661 of other nuns, and that was really the big problem. 985 01:10:00,929 --> 01:10:03,932 Um, because the, um... 986 01:10:03,999 --> 01:10:05,800 You know... 987 01:10:06,569 --> 01:10:08,469 They drifted away from authority 988 01:10:08,537 --> 01:10:09,804 and then you're really in trouble. 989 01:10:10,739 --> 01:10:12,307 [church bell rings] 990 01:10:17,879 --> 01:10:22,016 [woman] After that, the cardinal requested from Rome 991 01:10:22,084 --> 01:10:25,397 a team of bishops who were going to come and see 992 01:10:25,421 --> 01:10:29,324 whether they could convince us to do what we were told to do. 993 01:10:30,892 --> 01:10:33,539 We were all invited down to the old convent parlor. 994 01:10:33,563 --> 01:10:35,341 We were all sitting around the parlor. 995 01:10:35,365 --> 01:10:38,277 There were questions and answers back and forth. 996 01:10:38,301 --> 01:10:41,436 So, what these bishops told us to do 997 01:10:41,503 --> 01:10:44,372 was to just really pretend. 998 01:10:46,842 --> 01:10:49,444 To say that we had a habit, but don't wear it. 999 01:10:49,511 --> 01:10:50,889 Just leave it in the closet. 1000 01:10:50,913 --> 01:10:53,292 Say that we had a uniform schedule of prayers, 1001 01:10:53,316 --> 01:10:54,515 but don't follow it. 1002 01:10:56,585 --> 01:10:57,719 I mean, why should we lie? 1003 01:10:57,786 --> 01:11:01,422 Why should we pretend something that wasn't true? 1004 01:11:02,858 --> 01:11:08,630 To suggest those ways of going about it was just... 1005 01:11:10,132 --> 01:11:11,132 It was just too much. 1006 01:11:14,269 --> 01:11:16,537 [Anita] We said we did not feel that this 1007 01:11:16,605 --> 01:11:20,208 was in line with the present way we were thinking, 1008 01:11:20,275 --> 01:11:25,457 so the bishop said that if we were going to rebel against 1009 01:11:25,481 --> 01:11:27,949 the Four Points or not follow them 1010 01:11:28,016 --> 01:11:31,719 that we could not be accounted real sisters. 1011 01:11:33,088 --> 01:11:37,269 That meant that we were faced with the possibility of 1012 01:11:37,293 --> 01:11:42,163 giving up the vows which we had pronounced years before. 1013 01:11:45,234 --> 01:11:48,614 [Mary] At that point, Corita raised her hand and she said, 1014 01:11:48,638 --> 01:11:50,305 "I have one question. 1015 01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:52,740 What would Jesus say?" 1016 01:11:53,776 --> 01:11:55,754 One of them went... [mouths] 1017 01:11:55,778 --> 01:12:00,048 With his mouth and he was quite taken aback by that. 1018 01:12:02,851 --> 01:12:05,097 They told us, well, we should make up our minds 1019 01:12:05,121 --> 01:12:09,457 and announce our decision to Rome. 1020 01:12:26,007 --> 01:12:27,653 [Ann] It was hard. 1021 01:12:27,677 --> 01:12:29,254 They didn't want us to change. 1022 01:12:29,278 --> 01:12:30,678 They didn't want us to change. 1023 01:12:30,746 --> 01:12:34,816 They couldn't figure out why we are making such a fuss about, 1024 01:12:34,883 --> 01:12:36,617 well, just hang the habit in the closet. 1025 01:12:36,685 --> 01:12:40,265 But it wasn't just the habit. 1026 01:12:40,289 --> 01:12:42,000 It was a lot of things. 1027 01:12:42,024 --> 01:12:45,537 If you can imagine going into the classroom and trying 1028 01:12:45,561 --> 01:12:48,429 to teach fifth grade science when you have no idea 1029 01:12:48,497 --> 01:12:51,165 what the fifth-grade science, except what the book tells you. 1030 01:12:51,233 --> 01:12:56,571 - [all chuckling] - And we just felt that we were doing something 1031 01:12:56,638 --> 01:12:59,574 that we believed in for the good of our community 1032 01:12:59,641 --> 01:13:01,553 and for the good of the church. 1033 01:13:01,577 --> 01:13:06,024 We relished the whole idea of, if we are going to move ahead, 1034 01:13:06,048 --> 01:13:07,315 we are moving ahead. 1035 01:13:07,382 --> 01:13:10,162 We are not gonna be old-fashioned nuns anymore. 1036 01:13:10,186 --> 01:13:13,165 And once you start changing... 1037 01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:15,100 you don't put the genie back in the bottle. 1038 01:13:15,124 --> 01:13:16,702 You can't go back. 1039 01:13:16,726 --> 01:13:18,126 - [woman 1] Yes. - [woman 2] Yes. 1040 01:13:31,473 --> 01:13:35,053 You know, we fought for three years, in the press, 1041 01:13:35,077 --> 01:13:37,589 in Rome, everywhere we could. 1042 01:13:37,613 --> 01:13:40,325 And then the decision came down, you either have to obey 1043 01:13:40,349 --> 01:13:42,683 the cardinal or you cannot be nuns. 1044 01:13:47,689 --> 01:13:49,668 We had a huge meeting. 1045 01:13:49,692 --> 01:13:53,739 TV cameras were outside and newspaper reporters. 1046 01:13:53,763 --> 01:13:56,431 One of the crucial disputes over modernization 1047 01:13:56,498 --> 01:13:58,232 of the Catholic Church has centered here 1048 01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:01,302 at the Immaculate Heart convent in Hollywood. 1049 01:14:01,369 --> 01:14:05,006 They nuns will now be polled to see how they will divide up. 1050 01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:10,778 Sister Eileen got up and cried. 1051 01:14:10,846 --> 01:14:13,158 She could cry very easily. 1052 01:14:13,182 --> 01:14:16,317 And she cried and said something like, 1053 01:14:16,384 --> 01:14:19,787 "There are many sisters who want to stay with me" 1054 01:14:19,855 --> 01:14:22,924 and want to have the kind of religious life 1055 01:14:22,991 --> 01:14:24,659 "they entered the community for." 1056 01:14:28,864 --> 01:14:31,632 And then, I remember Anita herself 1057 01:14:32,267 --> 01:14:33,835 at that meeting said... 1058 01:14:35,537 --> 01:14:39,207 "This decision has come to us as a community." 1059 01:14:39,274 --> 01:14:43,455 What that means in the plan of God, I do not know. 1060 01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,325 [woman] I have felt for some time that the IHMs 1061 01:14:46,349 --> 01:14:51,997 are being asked to read the signs of the times, to forge ahead, 1062 01:14:52,021 --> 01:14:56,090 to begin with enthusiasm to work at a community of hope. 1063 01:14:57,626 --> 01:14:59,605 It is possible that such a group 1064 01:14:59,629 --> 01:15:02,697 will have to ask for dispensation from public vows. 1065 01:15:02,764 --> 01:15:08,280 Our decrees pledge us to an unending search for personhood, 1066 01:15:08,304 --> 01:15:13,374 vigilant and constant concern with the destructive forces in our society, 1067 01:15:13,441 --> 01:15:15,643 a willingness to welcome diversity, 1068 01:15:15,710 --> 01:15:18,846 not merely to tolerate it, and a condemnation 1069 01:15:18,914 --> 01:15:22,884 with the clarity of Christ of the primary evil, hypocrisy, 1070 01:15:23,852 --> 01:15:26,254 especially religious hypocrisy. 1071 01:15:27,522 --> 01:15:29,657 With confidence and peace... 1072 01:15:29,724 --> 01:15:32,971 I will carry out what I think is my duty. 1073 01:15:32,995 --> 01:15:36,397 "It's up to you to make a conscientious personal decision." 1074 01:15:44,272 --> 01:15:48,854 They sent out a paper and you had, 1075 01:15:48,878 --> 01:15:52,480 I don't know, maybe two or three weeks to make up your mind 1076 01:15:52,547 --> 01:15:53,915 before you sent the paper back in. 1077 01:15:57,352 --> 01:15:59,186 It was not an easy decision. 1078 01:16:01,156 --> 01:16:04,202 It wasn't change I objected to, but, 1079 01:16:04,226 --> 01:16:09,397 I knew it was a choice between having vows and not having vows. 1080 01:16:10,098 --> 01:16:14,212 And I wanted to live 1081 01:16:14,236 --> 01:16:17,538 a vow of life, so I did not sign. 1082 01:16:20,442 --> 01:16:23,444 Some of them said they believed everything that we were doing, 1083 01:16:23,511 --> 01:16:26,047 but they couldn't bring themselves to sign the paper. 1084 01:16:26,648 --> 01:16:27,748 And... 1085 01:16:30,919 --> 01:16:33,154 That was really very moving. 1086 01:16:39,194 --> 01:16:42,129 This was a community that I'd given my life to, 1087 01:16:42,197 --> 01:16:43,976 it was the work I'd given my life to, 1088 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,766 and I saw it breaking apart. 1089 01:16:48,937 --> 01:16:52,306 I had friends who simply left around that time. 1090 01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:56,054 I remember walking down the driveway 1091 01:16:56,078 --> 01:17:00,748 and we were all talking about what was going to happen 1092 01:17:00,815 --> 01:17:06,454 and Corita said to me that she was going on a sabbatical in Boston. 1093 01:17:07,289 --> 01:17:09,123 [man speaking] 1094 01:17:23,838 --> 01:17:26,841 - Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. - Okay, yeah. 1095 01:17:26,908 --> 01:17:29,877 - Um... - I was shocked when Corita didn't come back. 1096 01:17:32,981 --> 01:17:35,483 [man] She left not only the order, she left the church. 1097 01:17:36,584 --> 01:17:39,854 She was scandalized by what had gone on 1098 01:17:39,921 --> 01:17:41,789 and what was done to her and the others. 1099 01:17:46,662 --> 01:17:51,065 I think she really thought that the church did not deserve our devotion. 1100 01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:59,140 We did take vows, poverty, chastity, and obedience. 1101 01:18:00,876 --> 01:18:06,591 But there came a point where conscience said... 1102 01:18:06,615 --> 01:18:12,853 we will not be dictated to or shaped by a power that oppresses. 1103 01:18:16,291 --> 01:18:19,493 [woman] I heard someone comment about us earlier, and by us, 1104 01:18:19,561 --> 01:18:23,698 I mean the sisters, but it wasn't so important that we survived, 1105 01:18:23,765 --> 01:18:25,766 but that we should survive with style. 1106 01:18:27,102 --> 01:18:28,703 And that if you couldn't do it with style, 1107 01:18:28,770 --> 01:18:30,771 it would be better not to survive. 1108 01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:40,381 [Patrice] I remember sitting at the table 1109 01:18:40,448 --> 01:18:44,852 and, um, reading it over and over. 1110 01:18:44,919 --> 01:18:48,923 And I kept saying, "Hey, I've got to sign this. 1111 01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:50,758 [chuckles] This is it." 1112 01:18:51,326 --> 01:18:52,904 You know? 1113 01:18:52,928 --> 01:18:57,698 And yet, you know, how sad that this has to happen, 1114 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,601 but I signed it. 1115 01:19:25,026 --> 01:19:27,428 Should I address you as Sister Kelley, 1116 01:19:27,495 --> 01:19:29,274 or President Kelley today? 1117 01:19:29,298 --> 01:19:32,566 Well, Sister Kelley is appropriate I think, still. 1118 01:19:32,634 --> 01:19:34,746 How do you think the Roman Catholic community 1119 01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:36,670 in Los Angeles will react to this? 1120 01:19:37,305 --> 01:19:38,750 Mixed. 1121 01:19:38,774 --> 01:19:41,753 I think, a number of lay Catholics would like it to stay the way it was. 1122 01:19:41,777 --> 01:19:44,756 Everything else is moving, why can't the sisters at least 1123 01:19:44,780 --> 01:19:48,449 stand still and give us some indication of stability? 1124 01:19:48,516 --> 01:19:51,485 Well, I do think that's the way to be stable anymore. 1125 01:19:53,455 --> 01:19:55,790 [Mary] We didn't know how many sisters would sign 1126 01:19:55,857 --> 01:19:57,491 the dispensations of vows. 1127 01:19:58,860 --> 01:20:01,362 But as it turned out, you know, hundreds did. 1128 01:20:03,331 --> 01:20:05,132 [group singing] 1129 01:20:08,270 --> 01:20:11,783 [man] 315 of the 400 sisters moved out 1130 01:20:11,807 --> 01:20:13,073 of the formal structure 1131 01:20:13,141 --> 01:20:17,545 of the Roman Catholic Church to establish a secular group. 1132 01:20:17,612 --> 01:20:21,660 Nearly the whole community dispensed from their vows 1133 01:20:21,684 --> 01:20:25,953 and they were going to still form a new community. 1134 01:20:26,020 --> 01:20:28,733 That was something totally novel. 1135 01:20:28,757 --> 01:20:31,670 ♪ Turning down sorrow ♪ 1136 01:20:31,694 --> 01:20:36,341 We decided that we would become a lay community, 1137 01:20:36,365 --> 01:20:38,610 devoted to the works of religion, 1138 01:20:38,634 --> 01:20:43,470 following all the changes that we had made in the '67 assembly. 1139 01:20:44,305 --> 01:20:45,573 You left the church. 1140 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,953 No, it doesn't mean we left the church. 1141 01:20:47,977 --> 01:20:49,754 We are still Roman Catholics, 1142 01:20:49,778 --> 01:20:53,647 but we left the formal structure of religious life. 1143 01:20:53,715 --> 01:20:56,494 That means you are no longer, in effect then, nuns. 1144 01:20:56,518 --> 01:20:57,451 That's correct. 1145 01:21:04,392 --> 01:21:05,926 [Karol] They look pretty good, don't they? 1146 01:21:05,994 --> 01:21:07,973 Look at them, some of them have hairdos even. 1147 01:21:07,997 --> 01:21:12,166 - Mm-hmm. - Here's Mary Mark, the musician. 1148 01:21:13,535 --> 01:21:17,515 Yeah. Anita, right? 1149 01:21:17,539 --> 01:21:19,050 - Yeah. - [man] Now, were you in this picture? 1150 01:21:19,074 --> 01:21:21,609 No. I came the next year. 1151 01:21:21,676 --> 01:21:23,811 - Oh, okay. - Yeah. 1152 01:21:28,750 --> 01:21:32,219 [Karol] You can imagine how challenging 1153 01:21:32,287 --> 01:21:34,688 it might have been in the early '70s 1154 01:21:34,756 --> 01:21:39,026 as the community started tiptoeing into this world. 1155 01:21:39,093 --> 01:21:42,540 ♪ You've come a long way, baby ♪ 1156 01:21:42,564 --> 01:21:45,633 ♪ To get where you've got to today ♪ 1157 01:21:45,700 --> 01:21:52,373 [Sheila] By 1970, although women had gained certain basic freedoms, 1158 01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:56,176 they still had a much worse deal of it. 1159 01:21:59,314 --> 01:22:01,515 Susan, I just went over the bills. 1160 01:22:01,582 --> 01:22:03,450 [Sheila] You know, like, you can get credit. 1161 01:22:03,518 --> 01:22:05,897 If they went out to buy a washing machine, 1162 01:22:05,921 --> 01:22:07,588 the husband had to sign for it. 1163 01:22:07,655 --> 01:22:11,458 Boy, here's real emancipation from old-fashioned chores. 1164 01:22:16,597 --> 01:22:20,401 It was a huge step no longer to be nuns. 1165 01:22:20,468 --> 01:22:22,536 And we didn't fit into any category. 1166 01:22:28,343 --> 01:22:30,922 [Ruth] Anita was very smart. 1167 01:22:30,946 --> 01:22:33,280 She advised all our institutions, 1168 01:22:33,348 --> 01:22:35,527 like the high school and the college, 1169 01:22:35,551 --> 01:22:37,796 to incorporate separately, 1170 01:22:37,820 --> 01:22:41,155 so that the church couldn't acquire our property. 1171 01:22:45,626 --> 01:22:47,806 [Sheila] They were able to keep their property 1172 01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:51,343 like the Immaculate Heart College and High School, 1173 01:22:51,367 --> 01:22:55,102 Which I think perhaps surprised McIntyre [laughs] when he found out. 1174 01:22:58,306 --> 01:23:00,552 [Pat] I was teaching at the college, 1175 01:23:00,576 --> 01:23:04,489 so a lot of the things didn't really affect me too much. 1176 01:23:04,513 --> 01:23:06,691 But for all the sisters that were kicked out 1177 01:23:06,715 --> 01:23:09,160 of the parochial school convents, 1178 01:23:09,184 --> 01:23:13,765 and had to scramble to get a job, to find a place to live, 1179 01:23:13,789 --> 01:23:17,302 to get a car if they needed it for transportation, 1180 01:23:17,326 --> 01:23:21,895 I think they're the ones who experienced the most pain. 1181 01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:27,579 [Lucille] I was a teacher, 1182 01:23:27,603 --> 01:23:30,738 and we were put out of the school convents. 1183 01:23:30,805 --> 01:23:34,319 People were literally told to leave the convents. 1184 01:23:34,343 --> 01:23:35,442 They had nowhere to go. 1185 01:23:37,211 --> 01:23:39,713 I'm 48 years old, I didn't have one cent. 1186 01:23:44,018 --> 01:23:46,153 It was a very difficult time. 1187 01:23:46,220 --> 01:23:50,157 I mean, we had nothing, you know. 1188 01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,273 We were scrambling to make financial arrangements 1189 01:23:55,297 --> 01:23:59,366 and doing all the things that I would imagine a divorced person does. 1190 01:24:00,502 --> 01:24:04,038 I think the things that saved us was that 1191 01:24:04,105 --> 01:24:06,607 there were so many of us in it together. 1192 01:24:09,644 --> 01:24:14,248 [Karol] In a sense, the challenges that the community was facing 1193 01:24:14,315 --> 01:24:16,583 fed our change. 1194 01:24:16,651 --> 01:24:20,120 We were impelled to find our feet. 1195 01:24:26,394 --> 01:24:29,730 We were moving out into smaller clusters of houses 1196 01:24:29,797 --> 01:24:33,667 where three or four or five IHMs were living together. 1197 01:24:35,470 --> 01:24:38,716 Whoever had a TV with the biggest living room, 1198 01:24:38,740 --> 01:24:41,319 everybody gathered and watched TV. 1199 01:24:41,343 --> 01:24:43,410 [commentator] Passed the ball for UCLA. 1200 01:24:43,478 --> 01:24:47,081 And some of them were interested in football or basketball. 1201 01:24:49,817 --> 01:24:54,088 And it just struck me, of course, they're real women. 1202 01:24:56,958 --> 01:25:00,538 We were finding work appropriate to our training 1203 01:25:00,562 --> 01:25:04,075 and also to what we were moved to do. 1204 01:25:04,099 --> 01:25:06,544 [man] Sister Rita Rose Grillo runs the house 1205 01:25:06,568 --> 01:25:08,368 where four young girls on parole 1206 01:25:08,436 --> 01:25:11,038 can learn to live in a family setting. 1207 01:25:11,105 --> 01:25:12,973 [woman] For the first time, I was asked, 1208 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,508 what would you like to do? 1209 01:25:23,384 --> 01:25:25,986 Do you feel in your heart you may have caused 1210 01:25:26,053 --> 01:25:27,432 damage to the image of the church? 1211 01:25:27,456 --> 01:25:30,435 No, I would think that really we have made 1212 01:25:30,459 --> 01:25:34,172 a contribution in opening up a new kind of community, 1213 01:25:34,196 --> 01:25:37,264 which, in effect, may revive religious life, 1214 01:25:37,331 --> 01:25:39,967 which is having a pretty hard struggle right now. 1215 01:25:45,806 --> 01:25:47,307 [church bells ring] 1216 01:25:49,010 --> 01:25:52,457 [choir singing] 1217 01:25:52,481 --> 01:25:56,928 [Sheila] After 1968, there was this period of reaction 1218 01:25:56,952 --> 01:26:00,320 to the reforms that came out of Vatican II. 1219 01:26:09,697 --> 01:26:13,767 The Vatican was very afraid of dissent 1220 01:26:13,834 --> 01:26:15,702 getting out of control. 1221 01:26:15,770 --> 01:26:19,284 ♪ Open your heart to the Lord ♪ 1222 01:26:19,308 --> 01:26:21,175 The nuns' rebellion may spread 1223 01:26:21,242 --> 01:26:22,543 to other religious communities. 1224 01:26:23,244 --> 01:26:24,444 I like the changes. 1225 01:26:24,512 --> 01:26:26,346 I feel happier. 1226 01:26:27,715 --> 01:26:31,084 I'm scared to death, but it's worth it. 1227 01:26:36,324 --> 01:26:40,305 Definitively, the period of renewal was over. 1228 01:26:40,329 --> 01:26:43,830 [chanting in Latin] 1229 01:26:46,868 --> 01:26:53,340 And since that time, the numbers of nuns have significantly declined. 1230 01:26:56,077 --> 01:27:01,748 There is this general sense that the church has 1231 01:27:01,816 --> 01:27:03,861 just stood still, but of course, 1232 01:27:03,885 --> 01:27:05,352 you can't really stand still, 1233 01:27:05,419 --> 01:27:08,322 you either change or you become part of the problem. 1234 01:27:15,162 --> 01:27:17,609 [Cardinal McIntyre] With a heart full of gratitude and affection, 1235 01:27:17,633 --> 01:27:20,400 I surrender my official position. 1236 01:27:22,236 --> 01:27:27,552 [Clement] Cardinal McIntyre retired in January 1970. 1237 01:27:27,576 --> 01:27:29,287 [man] Has the recent controversy 1238 01:27:29,311 --> 01:27:31,845 surrounding the Archdiocese 1239 01:27:31,912 --> 01:27:33,714 had anything to do with your retirement? 1240 01:27:33,781 --> 01:27:35,082 Absolutely none. 1241 01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:41,989 [Clement] I think his tragic contest with the Immaculate Hearts 1242 01:27:42,657 --> 01:27:44,091 was his greatest mistake. 1243 01:27:48,663 --> 01:27:52,243 He devastated an entire community of dedicated, 1244 01:27:52,267 --> 01:27:56,570 holy women, where it could have been negotiated. 1245 01:28:00,942 --> 01:28:05,145 It was a costly decision, I'm sure both for him and for us. 1246 01:28:09,617 --> 01:28:12,330 I wish I had the kind of confidence in what heaven 1247 01:28:12,354 --> 01:28:15,689 is going to be like that some of my friends have, 1248 01:28:15,756 --> 01:28:17,669 and to know that I will have a chance 1249 01:28:17,693 --> 01:28:21,361 to shake Cardinal McIntyre's hand without kissing his ring. 1250 01:28:23,965 --> 01:28:27,534 "And saying, " What really was going through your mind then? 1251 01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:33,874 "Do you think it all worked out?" 1252 01:29:00,802 --> 01:29:04,137 [Doris] There are about 20 of us who live here. 1253 01:29:04,205 --> 01:29:08,519 Everyone you see is somebody who stood their ground, 1254 01:29:08,543 --> 01:29:10,388 stood her ground. 1255 01:29:10,412 --> 01:29:15,482 All of us lived through this whole period of time. 1256 01:29:15,549 --> 01:29:22,356 -Uh, today is my anniversary, and so 60 years ago today -Oh, wow. 1257 01:29:22,423 --> 01:29:25,359 I entered the Immaculate Heart community. 1258 01:29:25,426 --> 01:29:29,741 - I lived with you in Santa Barbara. - Joann and I lived together. 1259 01:29:29,765 --> 01:29:33,834 For a lifetime I've met some wonderful people, not here, but... 1260 01:29:33,901 --> 01:29:36,536 [laughter] 1261 01:29:38,573 --> 01:29:40,340 I'm just kidding. 1262 01:29:43,711 --> 01:29:45,412 [gentle piano music playing] 1263 01:29:47,448 --> 01:29:50,161 When we formed the new community, many people said, 1264 01:29:50,185 --> 01:29:52,052 "We'll give it five years, you know, 1265 01:29:52,119 --> 01:29:53,286 and then it will fall apart." 1266 01:29:56,457 --> 01:30:00,838 [woman] Hopefully all kinds of people could be members of the community. 1267 01:30:00,862 --> 01:30:03,775 Why not have men members? Why not have married couples? 1268 01:30:03,799 --> 01:30:06,867 [man] Mr. and Mrs. Nelson Small have applied for membership 1269 01:30:06,934 --> 01:30:08,646 in the Immaculate Heart community. 1270 01:30:08,670 --> 01:30:14,775 We started welcoming Christians of other faiths besides Roman Catholic. 1271 01:30:16,277 --> 01:30:18,979 [woman] We want to leave ourselves as open as we can. 1272 01:30:19,013 --> 01:30:24,151 And if it can't work, I think it's just a sign that 1273 01:30:24,218 --> 01:30:25,852 it's bad times for the world. 1274 01:30:30,758 --> 01:30:32,692 [man] This is the day of the last graduation. 1275 01:30:33,561 --> 01:30:36,196 Immaculate Heart College is closing. 1276 01:30:39,233 --> 01:30:44,070 Women students were being siphoned off by co-educational institutions. 1277 01:30:45,306 --> 01:30:47,707 So economics killed us in the end. 1278 01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:51,111 [exclaims] 1279 01:30:58,886 --> 01:31:01,265 Even though the college closed, 1280 01:31:01,289 --> 01:31:03,824 the high school stayed open 1281 01:31:03,891 --> 01:31:07,761 and the community continued to grow. 1282 01:31:17,438 --> 01:31:19,806 Stop the death penalty. 1283 01:31:20,641 --> 01:31:23,421 Reform the prisons. 1284 01:31:23,445 --> 01:31:27,647 [all chanting] United, we'll never be defeated. 1285 01:31:33,053 --> 01:31:35,288 [crowd applauding] 1286 01:31:37,525 --> 01:31:40,771 [Rosa] I had wanted to join the sisters, 1287 01:31:40,795 --> 01:31:44,931 but it was at a time when the sisters pretty much disbanded 1288 01:31:44,999 --> 01:31:46,233 and became the community. 1289 01:31:48,669 --> 01:31:53,384 Quite frankly, I ended up just getting married and having children. 1290 01:31:53,408 --> 01:31:56,587 But I saw that these children are gonna go on their way 1291 01:31:56,611 --> 01:31:58,478 and I need my life. 1292 01:31:59,814 --> 01:32:04,351 And by that time, the community was more established 1293 01:32:05,019 --> 01:32:07,220 and I was able to get in. 1294 01:32:08,889 --> 01:32:11,358 [slow music playing] 1295 01:32:27,842 --> 01:32:29,809 [all clapping] 1296 01:32:34,048 --> 01:32:37,317 [indistinct chatter] 1297 01:32:40,655 --> 01:32:45,369 [Karol] About half of the community now are people who have been 1298 01:32:45,393 --> 01:32:48,128 with the community the whole time. 1299 01:32:48,195 --> 01:32:52,799 And the other half joined the community after 1970. 1300 01:32:52,866 --> 01:32:59,606 We work to be a reflection on Mary because how the church 1301 01:32:59,673 --> 01:33:05,456 sees Mary impacts how the world sees women. 1302 01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:10,083 [all] ♪ Salve Regina Mater... ♪ 1303 01:33:10,150 --> 01:33:13,753 Women in the church are still struggling for equality, 1304 01:33:13,821 --> 01:33:17,557 so we are fortunate that we have ordained women priests 1305 01:33:17,625 --> 01:33:19,960 as part of our Immaculate Heart community. 1306 01:33:20,027 --> 01:33:23,964 [all] Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 1307 01:33:24,031 --> 01:33:25,765 The Immaculate Heart sisters taught me 1308 01:33:25,833 --> 01:33:29,013 you must follow your conscience. 1309 01:33:29,037 --> 01:33:32,572 Even if it goes against what the pope himself has to say. 1310 01:33:45,653 --> 01:33:50,123 If every woman who is theologically educated leaves 1311 01:33:50,190 --> 01:33:54,928 the Catholic Church, who will call it to change? 1312 01:33:54,995 --> 01:34:01,045 [all] All glory and honor is yours, for ever and ever. Amen. 1313 01:34:01,069 --> 01:34:05,338 The movement is a movement. By definition it keeps going. 1314 01:34:09,410 --> 01:34:13,046 - [indistinct chatter] - Hi, how are you? 1315 01:34:17,685 --> 01:34:19,953 [all applauding] 1316 01:34:21,689 --> 01:34:23,957 - [woman speaking] - Yes. 1317 01:34:27,761 --> 01:34:28,895 Yes. 1318 01:34:31,966 --> 01:34:33,366 - [woman] Absolutely. - [all clapping] 1319 01:34:37,705 --> 01:34:40,774 I was an intern for the Corita Art Center this summer. 1320 01:34:40,841 --> 01:34:43,821 - Yeah. - But I'm also an Immaculate Heart alum. 1321 01:34:43,845 --> 01:34:46,880 So, we're long-time fans. 1322 01:35:03,330 --> 01:35:05,532 [Corita] I think that's one of the best things 1323 01:35:05,599 --> 01:35:06,510 that's happening in the world 1324 01:35:06,534 --> 01:35:08,813 is the fact that we're realizing 1325 01:35:08,837 --> 01:35:11,404 more deeply that awful things are happening in the world. 1326 01:35:12,573 --> 01:35:14,641 Because we all know what happens to things 1327 01:35:14,708 --> 01:35:16,843 that are buried under the rug. 1328 01:35:16,910 --> 01:35:20,280 They don't just stay there, they get worse. 1329 01:35:23,984 --> 01:35:27,765 [Patrice] I get teary-eyed just thinking about recent 1330 01:35:27,789 --> 01:35:30,423 awful things that happened. 1331 01:35:33,393 --> 01:35:38,398 I remember I burst into tears when I was watching it on the TV. 1332 01:35:40,534 --> 01:35:43,169 And that just brought back a lot of memories. 1333 01:35:45,873 --> 01:35:51,878 And I kept saying, "God, it hasn't changed much." 1334 01:35:54,849 --> 01:35:58,518 But when you bring the horrible things up to view, 1335 01:36:01,088 --> 01:36:04,591 then you have people who say, "Let's do something about it." 1336 01:36:05,826 --> 01:36:07,360 And they start to do it." 1337 01:36:10,097 --> 01:36:13,032 [Pat] It's not just a gender issue for me, 1338 01:36:13,100 --> 01:36:18,149 because I see the interconnection between 1339 01:36:18,173 --> 01:36:22,153 sexism, racism, ageism, 1340 01:36:22,177 --> 01:36:25,311 homophobia, colonialism. 1341 01:36:25,379 --> 01:36:29,816 All of those forms of domination are interlinked. 1342 01:36:33,654 --> 01:36:36,122 If our survival is to be truly stylish, 1343 01:36:36,190 --> 01:36:38,358 the cautions are to be interjected. 1344 01:36:39,927 --> 01:36:42,506 It is a plea for protest not without anger, 1345 01:36:42,530 --> 01:36:44,998 but without hatred or contempt. 1346 01:36:47,267 --> 01:36:49,647 Protest exercised through ridicule, 1347 01:36:49,671 --> 01:36:51,938 no matter how effective, seems to me 1348 01:36:52,005 --> 01:36:54,774 to be sowing the seeds of backlash and new hatred. 1349 01:36:58,078 --> 01:37:00,947 Here, at least, today at least, 1350 01:37:01,014 --> 01:37:05,396 our protests ought to be celebrated in joy. 1351 01:37:05,420 --> 01:37:09,656 Such protest with joy has the power to transform all who are party to it. 1352 01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:18,498 It was the genesis of an egalitarian spirit that moved these women. 1353 01:37:19,834 --> 01:37:21,701 It's easier to see that now. 1354 01:37:24,738 --> 01:37:26,573 If you fit in, you are not a prophet. 1355 01:37:34,348 --> 01:37:35,682 They didn't fit in. 1356 01:37:39,686 --> 01:37:42,655 [Helen] The passion for justice still drives us. 1357 01:37:47,428 --> 01:37:49,729 May it even until the end of time. 1358 01:38:43,417 --> 01:38:45,418 ["Secret Sister" by Rufus Wainwright playing] 1359 01:39:07,041 --> 01:39:10,176 ♪ Another day begins ♪ 1360 01:39:11,912 --> 01:39:17,617 ♪ Another flower blooms How you doin'? ♪ 1361 01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:22,388 ♪ Secret sister ♪ 1362 01:39:26,927 --> 01:39:29,963 ♪ Another perfect sun ♪ 1363 01:39:31,732 --> 01:39:37,670 ♪ Another fallen star What you thinkin'? ♪ 1364 01:39:39,006 --> 01:39:42,976 ♪ Secret sister ♪ 1365 01:39:46,613 --> 01:39:51,017 ♪ The galaxy is wide ♪ 1366 01:39:51,084 --> 01:39:57,323 ♪ And I still cannot hide from the roses ♪ 1367 01:39:58,759 --> 01:40:03,229 ♪ My desire ♪ 1368 01:40:06,033 --> 01:40:08,679 ♪ We're stepping on the streets ♪ 1369 01:40:08,703 --> 01:40:11,571 ♪ We're stepping on the streets ♪ 1370 01:40:11,638 --> 01:40:16,286 - ♪ And all the people's eyes ♪ - ♪ And all the people's eyes ♪ 1371 01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:19,178 ♪ All we can do is meet ♪ 1372 01:40:20,981 --> 01:40:27,987 ♪ I'll make... small ♪ 1373 01:40:32,059 --> 01:40:35,561 ♪ Secret sister ♪ 1374 01:40:36,596 --> 01:40:39,665 ♪ Secret sister ♪ 1375 01:40:41,735 --> 01:40:43,647 ♪ Secret sister ♪ 1376 01:40:43,671 --> 01:40:46,806 ♪ The grass is always green ♪ 1377 01:40:48,141 --> 01:40:54,113 ♪ Beneath your simple shoes take me with you ♪ 1378 01:40:55,549 --> 01:41:00,386 ♪ Secret sister ♪ 1379 01:41:03,223 --> 01:41:06,759 ♪ I used to think the world ♪ 1380 01:41:08,095 --> 01:41:10,741 ♪ A sweet and lovely place ♪ 1381 01:41:10,765 --> 01:41:14,567 ♪ When you couldn't ♪ 1382 01:41:15,569 --> 01:41:19,372 ♪ From the shadow ♪ 1383 01:41:22,242 --> 01:41:27,491 ♪ But now the waves have won ♪ 1384 01:41:27,515 --> 01:41:34,187 ♪ And the fires are come back to the valley ♪ 1385 01:41:34,254 --> 01:41:40,426 ♪ Oh, the Immaculate Conception ♪ 1386 01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:45,531 ♪ We're stepping on the streets ♪ 1387 01:41:47,668 --> 01:41:52,583 - ♪ In all the people's eyes ♪ - ♪ In all the people's eyes ♪ 1388 01:41:52,607 --> 01:41:54,985 ♪ And all you can do is meet ♪ 1389 01:41:55,009 --> 01:41:57,677 ♪ And all we can do is meet ♪ 1390 01:41:57,744 --> 01:42:03,850 ♪ I'll make her in the suffering smile ♪ 1391 01:42:04,952 --> 01:42:08,087 ♪ Let's go down in the midst ♪ 1392 01:42:09,823 --> 01:42:14,961 ♪ You're covered in my hand ♪ 1393 01:42:15,028 --> 01:42:17,897 ♪ Where we shall go and meet ♪ 1394 01:42:17,964 --> 01:42:19,632 ♪ Where we shall go and meet ♪ 1395 01:42:19,699 --> 01:42:25,838 ♪ I'll meet her in this troubled land ♪ 1396 01:42:30,644 --> 01:42:33,713 ♪ Secret sister ♪ 1397 01:42:33,780 --> 01:42:40,753 ♪ Over troubled land ♪ 1398 01:42:42,989 --> 01:42:46,125 ♪ Secret sister ♪ 1399 01:42:46,193 --> 01:42:53,132 ♪ Over troubled land ♪ 113714

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