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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,960 To be fair, it can't be much fun being a racist. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,320 You do all this stuff with them students, 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,960 milking it about how much you've changed, 4 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,960 how much of a better man you are now, yet you thought 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,960 exactly the same way as I did when you were my age, didn't you? 6 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,160 I'll tuck you in. 7 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,960 What are you doing in bed with Dad? I was tired, Matthew. 8 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,960 I'm going to commit a murder to begin a race war. 9 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,960 Another MP, Rosie Cooper. 10 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,960 I know who the informant is. 11 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:26,960 It's this slug called Robbie Mullen. 12 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,960 A lot of people won't forget what he's done. 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,160 The police are here. It's about the boys. 14 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,960 Someone's made a threat against them. 15 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,320 Listen, listen, look. I'm... I'm leaving here now. 16 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:37,960 Where were these images posted? 17 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,960 We found them on a thread in a mobile seized yesterday. 18 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,800 We believe the original posts are linked to National Action. 19 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:44,960 I'm sorry. He's gonna have to go. 20 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,960 That's it now. We can't keep doing this. 21 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,480 Robbie, this trial isn't far off now, lad, 22 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:52,000 and you're going to have to demonstrate to the jury 23 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,960 that you're not the same as Renshaw and the others, 24 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,160 that they can trust you, 25 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,160 cos you're different from them. 26 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:00,960 Is this some sort of test? 27 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,000 Sticking me in the middle of Nigeria, 28 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,960 see how he handles it, yeah? 29 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:04,960 You're scared, aren't you? No! 30 00:01:04,960 --> 00:01:06,960 Cos you want me to stand up in court 31 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,960 and tell everybody that I'm a changed man and I'm not! 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:42,960 Jack Renshaw, stand up. 33 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:48,800 You've been found guilty of four counts 34 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,960 of inciting a child to engage in sexual activities. 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,960 You've displayed not one shred of remorse 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,960 and the defence you put forward, 37 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:58,960 that your phone had been hacked, was as lacking 38 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,960 in evidence as it was credibility. 39 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,960 These are very serious offences against minors, 40 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,320 and in one case, a boy as young as 13, 41 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,960 and society needs protection 42 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,480 against predatory paedophiles like you. 43 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,960 I impose upon you a prison sentence of 16 months. 44 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,960 Take him down. 45 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Jack! We love you, son! 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,640 INAUDIBLE 47 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,640 16 months. It could have been worse. 48 00:02:28,640 --> 00:02:30,800 God, it's going to be in the newspapers. 49 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,960 The whole fucking world's gonna read it. 50 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,960 The judge ordered reporting restrictions 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,960 because of the upcoming trial for the plan to kill the MP. 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,960 No detail from this case can be published 53 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,640 until after that's taken place. 54 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:44,960 What? So, they can't print it yet? 55 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,160 We've got a bit of time. 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,960 But the story will come out, Jack. 57 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,800 KNOCK ON DOOR 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,960 I've got to warn you, it's a shithole in here. 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,960 I live with four lads. Yous all stink. 60 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:11,320 All right, lad? 61 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,960 Yeah, I'm very well, thank you. How are you? 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,960 Lovely. Yeah, what a beautiful day! 63 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,000 Are you not going to eat that? 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,960 I'm not hungry. 65 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,960 Save it for later. 66 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,960 How are you feeling? 67 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,960 Been doing anything exciting? 68 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,960 Watching the telly? 69 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,640 Any boxsets you'd like to recommend? 70 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,960 I haven't been watching much telly. 71 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,800 I've just... just been on the computer. 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,960 What did you say? 73 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,960 I've not been watching telly. I've been on the computer. 74 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,960 You're being careful about what websites you've been going on? 75 00:03:59,960 --> 00:04:01,960 HE SIGHS 76 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,960 Robbie? You're telling me what to do again. 77 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,160 Yeah, I am telling you what to do, yeah. 78 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:07,960 Because if you've been getting in touch 79 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,960 with any of your old pals from National Action 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,960 or if you've been looking 81 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,960 at some kind of Combat 18 website or the BNP 82 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,800 or whatever right-wing shite you used to look at, 83 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,960 then this trial will collapse and you'll end up in prison. 84 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,960 Where we're from, most people end up in prison anyway, don't they? 85 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,480 Oh, what kind of comment's that, eh? All right, come on. 86 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:26,960 Wish I was going to prison 87 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,960 instead of standing in court grassing on people. 88 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:30,960 Will you shut up about being a grass? 89 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,960 Who are you trying to protect anyway? 90 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Jack Renshaw? 91 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,320 Because he's just been convicted for grooming young boys. 92 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,960 We've only got your word for that though. 93 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,960 You could be trying to trick us. 94 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Why would I wanna trick you? 95 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:44,960 I don't know. Why wouldn't you? Are you stupid or something? 96 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:45,960 Stupid? Why am I stupid? 97 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:47,960 You're an ungrateful little twat. 98 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:48,960 Hey, that's enough! Yeah. 99 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,960 Yeah, all of this. All of this?! 100 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:52,960 Look at all this you've got here... Look, will you pack it in? 101 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,960 Please, the two of you, you're worse than the boys! 102 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,640 You, get in the shower. Wash your hair! 103 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,960 And you, you can get the hoover out. 104 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,960 I'm sorry 105 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,960 if I sounded ungrateful before, but... 106 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,960 ..I just don't like it. It's full of Blacks and Asians. 107 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:35,960 Rob, come on. 108 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,320 I know I'm not supposed to say things like that, 109 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,160 but I can't help it. 110 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,960 It's the way that I feel. 111 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,960 Well, I know it looks bad but... 112 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,960 No, what looks bad, lad, is if you get caught out lying. 113 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,960 At least if you tell the truth, then no-one can trip you up. 114 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 KNOCK ON DOOR Are you expecting anyone? 115 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,160 You're joking, aren't you? Nobody else knows I live here. 116 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,960 All right? Yeah. 117 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:05,960 Someone to see you, lad. 118 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,320 Mill! 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:09,960 Hello, baby! 120 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:11,960 Hello! What you doing? 121 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,960 B-b-b-b-b... Hello! 122 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,960 Well, at least he's glad to see someone. How is he anyway? 123 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,960 Unhelpful, angry. 124 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,160 Suspicious. 125 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,960 Well, his usual jolly self then. 126 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,960 This could be end of us, you know that? 127 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,960 I mean, if this all goes wrong, 128 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,960 then our reputation is shot to pieces. 129 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,960 So, it all hangs on a big, sulky racist from Widnes? 130 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:33,960 It's not funny! 131 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,960 She's got a point. 132 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,960 You need to try and get out, you know, meet people. 133 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,960 What, round here? 134 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:43,960 Yes, round here. 135 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,960 It's not doing you any good sitting in that flat all day by yourself. 136 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,960 I've ruined my life, I know I have. 137 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:53,960 You have not. 138 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,960 What if they don't believe me, 139 00:06:58,960 --> 00:06:59,960 the jury? 140 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,320 It's my word against theirs, isn't it? 141 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Yeah, but you're telling the truth. 142 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:14,960 I don't wanna do it any more. 143 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,960 That's the truth. 144 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,960 I just wanna go back to the way things were before. 145 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,960 Oi, what you playing at? Get to the back of the queue, bruv! 146 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,800 I'm not eating. I'm not eating. 147 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,960 You all right, Chris? 148 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,960 How... How's it going? 149 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,960 I've been hearing whispers about you. 150 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,320 Look, they hacked my phone. 151 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,960 They put all this stuff on it to destroy my reputation. 152 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:57,960 It's all fucking lies! 153 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,320 I mean, they're making me out like I'm some sort of paedo. 154 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,320 Matthew Collins is behind it all. He's trying to destroy me. 155 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,640 This could make us all look bad. 156 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,960 That won't happen. 157 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,160 I promise you that won't happen. 158 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,960 He's got a big day in front of him tomorrow. 159 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,960 Try and make him look respectable, Shimmy. 160 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,320 I'll do my best. 161 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,960 Who's at the bar mitzvah? 162 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,960 That's my grandson, Reuben. 163 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,320 I'll be honest with you, Matthew, 164 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:47,960 he's got it tough. 165 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,960 Him and his sisters, they go to the Jewish school. 166 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,960 Whole place surrounded by barbed wire. 167 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Hold still. 168 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,960 Three security guards on the door. 169 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:01,960 It's the same with all the Jewish schools. 170 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:03,160 That it should come to that, eh, 171 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,960 in this day and age. 172 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,960 Children having to cross barbed wire 173 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,960 to go to school. 174 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,320 He looks dapper, don't he? Yeah. 175 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,960 You look really handsome, dead smart. 176 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,960 How do you feel? 177 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:27,960 Like a twat. 178 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,960 Oh, no, like a used car salesman or something. 179 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,160 THEY LAUGH 180 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,960 I wouldn't buy life insurance off you. Stop it! 181 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,960 Don't listen. Robbie, you look great. 182 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,960 You look like someone who's doing the right thing. 183 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,000 There he is! 184 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,960 PROTESTORS SHOUT ANGRILY 185 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,960 PROTESTORS SHOUT 186 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,960 Hey. 187 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,960 You all right? So, listen, Matthew can't be here, 188 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:29,960 not until you've both given evidence, 189 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:30,960 but he wanted me to tell you, 190 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,960 you look better without the bum fluff. 191 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,960 ROBBIE CHUCKLES Come on, you'll be fine. 192 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:35,960 In here. 193 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,160 Sorry, mate, can I help you? 194 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,960 Are you connected to the case? 195 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,960 I'm connected with the defence. Oh, right. 196 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,960 You know him? 197 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,960 No. 198 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,960 He's just trying to freak you out. Come on, let's get you some tea. 199 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,960 Court will rise. 200 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,960 Members of the jury, it will be alleged by the Crown 201 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,960 that the defendants hold extreme views. 202 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,960 All of you, I suspect, hold views 203 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,960 which could be described as the very opposite of these. 204 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,960 You're not racist, you're not homophobic, 205 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,960 you're not anti-Semitic. 206 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,960 But it is not a criminal offence in this country 207 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,960 just to hold these views, 208 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,960 however repulsive you feel they might be. 209 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,960 We live in a free society 210 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,960 and the law tolerates the holding of these opinions. 211 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,960 Ladies and gentlemen, I appear on behalf of the prosecution. 212 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,960 Mr Atkinson, I'm going to ask you to pause for a moment there, 213 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,320 as we need to hear from Mr Jackson. 214 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,800 What have you done? My lord. 215 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,160 I don't care any more. 216 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,960 It's too late for me. 217 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:31,960 Thank you, my lord. I represent Mr Renshaw, 218 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,160 and I would seek, with your leave, 219 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,960 that you have him re-arraigned on counts one and two. 220 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,800 If this is how you wish to proceed. 221 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,960 It is how I'm instructed, Your Lordship. 222 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,800 Jack Renshaw, will you stand up, please? 223 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,000 You are charged on count one of this indictment 224 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,800 of engaging in conduct in preparation of a terrorist act, 225 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,960 namely the murdering of Rosie Cooper MP. 226 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,000 Are you guilty or not guilty? 227 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,960 Guilty. 228 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,320 On count two, you are charged with making a threat to kill. 229 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,960 The particulars are that, on July 1st, 2017, 230 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:15,960 you made a threat to Robbie Mullen 231 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:17,960 that you would kill DC Victoria Henderson, 232 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,960 intending that Robbie Mullen would fear 233 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,960 that said threat would be carried out. 234 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,960 Are you guilty or not guilty? 235 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Guilty. 236 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,960 Renshaw's pleaded guilty to the plots to kill. 237 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:38,960 What? Guilty? 238 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,960 Well, but does that mean I don't have to give any evidence? 239 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,320 It's all over or...? Not quite, I'm afraid. 240 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:47,960 They're all still on trial for membership 241 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,320 and Lythgoe's facing one count of encouragement to murder. 242 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,960 I reckon he's fallen on his sword to try and bury all the paedo stuff. 243 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:55,960 Stupid. 244 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,960 He at least had a decent shot at a defence, 245 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,960 but now he's going to end up with life imprisonment? 246 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:02,320 He wants the headline to be 247 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,960 "Fascist martyr prepared to kill for the cause". 248 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,960 And not "Fascist paedo trying to have sex with young boys". 249 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,800 What about Lythgoe and Hankinson? 250 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:10,960 He's trying to take the heat off them. 251 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,960 Mr Atkinson, if you could pick up from where you left off, please. 252 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,960 My lord. 253 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,640 These defendants stand before you, 254 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:25,800 accused of their continuing participation in National Action, 255 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:29,960 a banned organisation that sought actively through fear, 256 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,960 intimidation and violence to shape society 257 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,640 in accordance with their beliefs. 258 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,480 Mr Renshaw had purchased a machete 259 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:44,480 with which to carry out his plan. 260 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,960 The online marketing for that particular item 261 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,960 describes it as offering 262 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,960 "19 inches of unprecedented piercing 263 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,320 "and slashing power at a market price". 264 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,960 There is now no doubt, after his guilty pleas, 265 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,960 that Mr Renshaw planned the murders of Rosie Cooper MP 266 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,960 and Detective Constable Victoria Henderson. 267 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,960 The Crown's case is that he was given permission 268 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,960 to carry out the murder of Rosie Cooper 269 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,960 by the then leader of National Action, Chris Lythgoe, 270 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,960 in the name of that organisation. 271 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,960 My lord, I call Robbie Mullen. 272 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,480 HE SIGHS 273 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:33,960 DOOR OPENS 274 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,960 Mr Mullen, it's time. 275 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,960 Place your right hand on the Bible and read from the card. 276 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,960 I... I swear by almighty God 277 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,960 that the evidence I shall give 278 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,960 shall be the truth, the whole truth 279 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,960 and nothing but the truth. 280 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,960 Could you confirm your name, please? 281 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:51,960 Robbie Mullen. 282 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:54,960 A little about you to start with, Mr Mullen. 283 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,960 Where in the country did you grow up? 284 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,640 Widnes, which is in the north-west. 285 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,960 Your school days came to somewhat of an abrupt end. 286 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,960 An incident involving you swearing at a teacher? 287 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,800 Yeah. 288 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,960 And you've drifted from job to job since then, 289 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,960 no real direction in your life? 290 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:15,960 I suppose so. 291 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,000 When did you join National Action? 292 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,960 2015. 293 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,960 The gentlemen sitting in the dock, 294 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,960 are they all known to you through that organisation? 295 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:32,960 Yeah. 296 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,960 My lord, could Mr Mullen speak up, please? I couldn't hear his reply. 297 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,960 Do try and project your voice 298 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,960 to the back of the court, please, Mr Mullen. 299 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,960 Sorry. 300 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:44,960 Yeah. 301 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,960 You and they were all members of the organisation before the ban? 302 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,960 Yeah. And were you all still members 303 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,960 after the ban on National Action at the end of 2016? 304 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Yeah. 305 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:00,960 After the ban, did there come a time 306 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,960 when you had contact with Matthew Collins, 307 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,960 who worked for the organisation Hope Not Hate? 308 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,960 Yeah. For what reason? 309 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,960 I couldn't tell you, really. 310 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,960 I knew I just needed to get out of there... 311 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,960 My lord, I'm sorry, he has a tendency to drop his head down, 312 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:17,960 drop his voice down. 313 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,960 Perhaps try moving a little closer to the microphone please, Mr Mullen. 314 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,960 Sorry. 315 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,960 On page 20 of the bundle, 316 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,960 we can see an email you had screenshot-ed 317 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,960 and forwarded to Matthew Collins. 318 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:40,640 Yeah. It was an encrypted email 319 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,960 you'd received from Chris Lythgoe, 320 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,960 where he was talking about recruiting new members 321 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,960 for National Action in towns in the north-west. 322 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:48,960 Er, yeah. 323 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Largely white towns, and other - 324 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,960 his words - "horrifically Paki-fied" towns. 325 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,960 Yeah. 326 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,960 Next page of the bundle, another email, 327 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,960 this one after National Action had been banned. 328 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,960 In it you ask Chris Lythgoe, 329 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,800 "Are you staying leader of the overall group?" 330 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,160 And can you read his reply? 331 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,480 "You're damn fucking right I am. 332 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,960 "I'm the one person with a clear picture 333 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,480 "of where we're going long-term." 334 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:33,960 So, in the period immediately after the ban, Lythgoe remained in charge? 335 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,960 Yeah. 336 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,960 And Matt Hankinson? 337 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,960 He was Chris's second-in-command. 338 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,960 He handled security and stuff. 339 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:50,480 And after the ban? 340 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,960 Carried on like before. 341 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,960 They both did. 342 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,960 Let's turn our attention now to the night of July 1st, 2017. 343 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,960 Did Mr Renshaw say why he was going to kill 344 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Rosie Cooper and Victoria Henderson? 345 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,960 We believed, at first, it was because he was depressed 346 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,960 about going to prison for his hate speeches. 347 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,960 But I now know that it was also because he'd been arrested 348 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,960 for grooming young boys and it was about to come out. 349 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,320 What was Mr Lythgoe's demeanour 350 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,960 as Mr Renshaw outlined his plans? 351 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,960 He seemed happy. 352 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,960 Smiling, nodding his head. 353 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,960 Did he mention the Home Secretary, Amber Rudd? 354 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:37,960 Yeah. 355 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,800 He said Jack should do her instead of Rosie Cooper. 356 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,960 And what did Mr Renshaw say? 357 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,960 He said she'd be too well protected. 358 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,960 Did Mr Hankinson say anything? 359 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,960 Yeah. He said, "You should do a synagogue." 360 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,960 And I said there'd be kids there... 361 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,800 My lord, again, I didn't hear any of that. 362 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,960 And I'm afraid it's not just volume. He has quite a strong accent. 363 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,960 I'm finding it difficult to understand. 364 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,960 Mr Mullen, once again, I must ask you to speak up. 365 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,960 If you mumble, nobody can understand you. 366 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,960 So, you said there might be children in a synagogue, 367 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,960 and what did Mr Renshaw say to that? 368 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:27,960 He said, "All Jews are the same. 369 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,960 "You don't class a rat by its age." 370 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,960 He said, "Vermin is vermin." 371 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,960 Mr Mullen, you made a statement to the police 372 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,480 describing yourself in 2015, 373 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,640 at the point you joined National Action, 374 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,960 as a "bored young man looking for some identity or path to take". 375 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,960 Is that right? 376 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,960 If you say so. 377 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,960 It's not me saying so. It's what you told the police. 378 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:09,960 OK. After leaving school, 379 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,960 you were unemployed and claiming sickness benefit 380 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,160 for, erm... about four years? 381 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,960 Yeah. I had a... a stomach problem. 382 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,960 Were you sick? 383 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,960 For about a year, on and off. For one year. 384 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,960 So, you accept that for three of those four years, 385 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,960 you were fraudulently claiming benefits then? 386 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,960 It weren't that simple. 387 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,960 Sometimes, I was sick, 388 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,960 and then I got better. It came and went. 389 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,960 Wearing your National Action hat, 390 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,960 what would your reaction have been, say, to a young Somali teenager 391 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,960 arriving in this country, going "on the sick", 392 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,960 with false stomach problems, 393 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,960 and fraudulently claiming three years of benefits? 394 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,320 Dunno. 395 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,960 What did you think of the murder of the MP Jo Cox? 396 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,960 I thought the guy that did it was a weirdo. 397 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,960 You were asked in your police interview, 398 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,960 "Did you think she was a traitor?" What did you answer? 399 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,960 I don't remember. 400 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,160 Well, I can tell you. You said, "Yes." 401 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:15,960 So, I obviously did. 402 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,320 But does it say in that interview what time I was talking about? 403 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,320 It doesn't really matter, does it, Mr Mullen? 404 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,800 Well, it obviously does 405 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,960 because I was probably being asked 406 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,960 what I thought about it before she was killed and not after. 407 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,960 You regarded somebody like Jo Cox, 408 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,960 with her stance on immigration, as a traitor, didn't you? 409 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Yeah, but that doesn't mean I thought she deserved to be killed. 410 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,960 Thank you, my lord. No further questions. 411 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,960 Mr Mullen, as you know, I appear for Christopher Lythgoe. 412 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,960 After your expulsion from school 413 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,960 and a succession of dead-end jobs, 414 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,160 you found being a member of National Action exciting. 415 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,960 It gave you purpose. There were finally people 416 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,960 in your life that were listening to you. 417 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,960 I suppose so. 418 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,960 You told the police 419 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,000 that the primary purpose of National Action 420 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,640 was to start a race war 421 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,960 and to "take our country back". 422 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,960 Yeah. So, that must mean 423 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,960 that, at that time, you shared those same views? 424 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,960 I never said that I didn't. 425 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,960 Please speak up, Mr Mullen. 426 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,960 I never said that I didn't share those views. 427 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,960 Anti-Jew? 428 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,000 At the time, yeah. 429 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,960 Anti-Black? 430 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,160 Yeah. 431 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,960 Anti-Asian, anti any non-white? 432 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,960 Yeah. 433 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,960 Homophobic? You know what "homophobic" means? 434 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,960 Yeah. 435 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,000 WHISPERS: He's the best witness the defence have got. 436 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,160 So, you were for a white Britain 437 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,960 by any means necessary, including violence? 438 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,960 MUMBLES: Yeah. 439 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,960 Again, we can't hear you. 440 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,960 Yeah. 441 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,960 Are you still racist? Remember, you are under oath. 442 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,960 Yeah. 443 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,960 But less so. 444 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,960 Now, you say you didn't like the way that things were working out 445 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,000 with National Action, which is why you wanted to get out. 446 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,960 And yet, after the murder of Jo Cox, 447 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,480 after the organisation was banned, 448 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,960 you still continued to attend meetings. Why is that? 449 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,960 It wasn't that easy to walk away. Why not? 450 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,000 I'd spent a lot of time with these people. 451 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,960 They were my friends. 452 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,960 Perhaps you were lonely? 453 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:55,960 In a way, yeah. 454 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,320 A lonely drifter with a dead-end life, 455 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,960 in search of friendship and approval. 456 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,960 No further questions. 457 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,960 Thank you, Mr Aylett. Let's call it a day there 458 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,320 and reconvene on Monday morning. 459 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,960 And the doctor said you're getting stronger, 460 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,960 and the nurses are well happy with you. 461 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,960 Said I'll be able to take you for a little walk soon. 462 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,960 No. No, not just yet. No, you can't have any Guinness yet. 463 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,960 Hello, Matthew. 464 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,320 All right, love? 465 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,960 I've got T-shirts and clean underwear. 466 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,960 We hadn't been down from Liverpool long. 467 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,960 Yours was the first friendly face I remember. 468 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,960 You know, our kid blamed me for me dad leaving, not you. 469 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,960 He said, because I told my mum 470 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,960 when I saw you and my dad in bed together, then I was a grass... 471 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,160 ..and it was my fault that he left us. 472 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,960 I'm sorry. 473 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,960 I know now that my dad was to blame, you know. 474 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,640 He was the adult. You were so young. 475 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,960 You know your mum and dad's marriage was over long before I came along. 476 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,960 But I suppose I was responsible for him moving out. 477 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,960 Why are you still washing his pants? 478 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,160 SHE CHUCKLES 479 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,000 I don't know. 480 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,800 Did you ever meet anyone else? 481 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,960 Yeah. I married briefly to Ray. 482 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,960 He wasn't your dad. 483 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,960 He was very charismatic. 484 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,160 He still is. 485 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,960 I was in love with him. 486 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,800 Leona, I don't know how to say this. 487 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,640 I hated you when I was growing up. 488 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,160 OK. 489 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,960 And because you ran off with my dad 490 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,800 and split our house up... 491 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,960 ..and because you were Black, 492 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,960 I used you as an excuse to hate all Black people. 493 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,640 Well, to me, yous were all to blame. 494 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,000 You know, my head was so warped. 495 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,960 I was filled with so much anger and so much hate, I... 496 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,960 ..I joined the National Front. 497 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,960 Are you stupid? 498 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,960 No, no, I'm not. No, Leona, honestly, 499 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,640 I don't think like that any more. Look, I'm sorry, but... 500 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,960 it's not me. Do you know what I mean? 501 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,160 I've spent so long trying to put right what I did. 502 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,480 So, what do you want from me now? 503 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,960 Why are you telling me this? 504 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,640 You want forgiveness? 505 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,000 I think so. 506 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,960 OK. 507 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,160 I forgive you. 508 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,160 But what about everybody else? 509 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,000 SHE SCOFFS ANGRILY 510 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,960 Brenda? 511 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,640 'I checked in on Robbie at the flat. 512 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,960 'He's not there.' Shit! 513 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,960 'Neighbour saw him Friday. He's legged it to Widnes.' 514 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,960 Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely where he's gone. 515 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,160 Is it that one? Yeah. 516 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,960 Natalie? 517 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,960 I'm Matthew Collins. I know who you are. 518 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,000 We've just come to ask Robbie to come back to London 519 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,480 to continue giving his evidence. He's not here. 520 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,960 Don't fuck about. We've driven for over four hours to get here. 521 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,960 Sorry about that. 522 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,960 What's the point? None of them believe a word I'm saying anyway. 523 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,480 Come back, lad. Renshaw's been convicted now. All you got to do... 524 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,960 Stand there while they take the piss out of me, my pathetic life, 525 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,960 the way I talk? It's not right, what they're putting him through. 526 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,800 What the fuck has me getting kicked out of school 527 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,960 or going on the sick got to do with anything? 528 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,960 Robbie, come back. 529 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,640 I'm not coming back. Stop being so fucking selfish! 530 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,480 You're behaving like a spoilt brat! OK, come on. 531 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,960 No, look, there's people doing everything they can for you. 532 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,960 I put my own family in danger for you. 533 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,960 Now be a man and come back and finish what you started! 534 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,960 Just fuck off! No, you fuck off! 535 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:36,960 Matt, this isn't helping! 536 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,960 Look, he's got to finish this, Natalie. 537 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,160 He doesn't have to do anything. Now, please, 538 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,960 my brother's made his decision. Please respect that. 539 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,160 Fucking waste of time that was, wasn't it? 540 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,960 I don't care what they say, Robbie. 541 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,960 You're not the same as them other boys on trial. 542 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,960 I think you're a good person. 543 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,960 Night-night. 544 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,320 Court will rise. 545 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,960 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. We are ready to start. 546 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,960 MOBILE PHONE RINGS 547 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,960 Hello? 548 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,960 NICK: 'The court's in session. No-one's seen him.' 549 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,960 OK, keep us posted. 550 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:14,960 He's not turned up. 551 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,960 What did you say? 552 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,960 He's not here. 553 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,960 Hey, mate. 554 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,960 All right. 555 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,960 I knew you'd turn up. 556 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,960 I see laughing boy's back. 557 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,960 Don't worry about it. 558 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,960 MOBILE PHONE RINGS 559 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,160 Hello? 560 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,320 'I'm with him now. I told you not to worry.' 561 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,640 All right. Nice one, mate. 562 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,160 Thanks, ta-ra. 563 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,960 Right, we're back on. 564 00:33:58,480 --> 00:33:59,960 Do you wanna go across? Yeah. All right. 565 00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,960 I'll see you later. See you in a bit, love. 566 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,000 And wasn't it the case that night, Mr Mullen, 567 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,960 that Mr Lythgoe and Mr Hankinson were both very drunk? 568 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,960 It didn't seem like they were to me. 569 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,960 When Mr Renshaw outlined his plans that night, 570 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,960 how sure were you that he was being serious? 571 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,960 100%. 572 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,480 And Mr Lythgoe's reaction? 573 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,960 He said something like, "Don't fuck it up." 574 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,960 Are you sure of that? 575 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,960 Could he not actually have said, by way of comment, 576 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,960 "You'll only fuck it up"? 577 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,960 No. It was "Don't fuck it up". 578 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,960 You see now, I suggest that that wasn't said, Mr Mullen. 579 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,960 Well, I suggest it was. 580 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:37,960 After National Action 581 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,960 had been banned... INAUDIBLE 582 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:40,960 ..and things started 583 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,960 to quieten down, isn't it the case that you started 584 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,960 to look elsewhere for excitement? 585 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,960 No, that's not the truth. 586 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,960 You didn't want to go back to being that bored young man 587 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,960 looking for an identity, did you? Which is why you sexed up 588 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,960 what was actually said in the pub that night... 589 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,960 That's ridiculous. 590 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,000 ..so you had something exciting 591 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,960 to offer your new friends at Hope Not Hate. 592 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,960 No. Your friends who had sorted out 593 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,960 a flat for you and the ones who took you on holiday to Dublin. 594 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,960 It wasn't like that. Not a holiday holiday. 595 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,960 You had to give them something nice and juicy, didn't you? 596 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,960 Because they were the ones that were listening to you now, weren't they? 597 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,960 I don't know what you're going on about. 598 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,160 I'm not making anything up. I heard what I heard. 599 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960 And you weren't there, were you, mate? 600 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,320 No further questions, my lord. 601 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,000 Thank you, Mr Mullen. Is that it? 602 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960 Yes, you may stand down. 603 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,960 PROTESTORS SHOUT ANGRILY 604 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,960 Jack Renshaw is a hero! 605 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,960 He's a nonce, mate, and he got exactly what he deserved, yeah! 606 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,960 My lord, I call Jack Renshaw. 607 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,960 In the pub that night, were you seeking permission 608 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,960 from Chris Lythgoe and National Action 609 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,960 to do what you had in your mind? No. 610 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,640 Did he ever say to you, when you'd revealed your intentions, 611 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,960 "Don't fuck it up"? 612 00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,960 No. That sounds like the workings of Mullen's fantasy. 613 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960 Were you drunk when you arrived at the pub that night? 614 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,960 Yes. I was intoxicated and I was in a poor mental state. 615 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,960 We were all very drunk, but Chris is very similar to me, 616 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,960 in the sense that we don't normally show that we're drunk. 617 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,960 You know, we talk more, talk louder, 618 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,960 but, well, physically, we don't particularly look drunk. 619 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,160 Thank you, Mr Renshaw. Could you wait there, please? 620 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,640 Mr Renshaw, is it your hatred of the Jews 621 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,960 what led you into extreme right-wing politics? 622 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:35,960 Because you hate them, don't you? 623 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,640 Yeah, I do. Do you accept 624 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,960 that there were gas chambers? No. 625 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,960 Do you accept the holocaust, that millions of Jews were killed 626 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,960 by the Nazis during World War II? 627 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,960 No, I do not. Where did they all go then? 628 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,960 Most of them were put into concentration camps, 629 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,800 but if you look at the statistics of Jews prior to the war 630 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:00,960 and Jews after the war, 631 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,960 the Jewish population actually increased. 632 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,800 So, what was your plan? 633 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,960 What were you going to do with this machete? 634 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,960 I hadn't really thought it through. 635 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,960 Chop Rosie Cooper's head off? 636 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,960 Through the heart, or what? 637 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,960 Probably the jugular. 638 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,000 And what were you going to do with this machete on the jugular? 639 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,960 Hack at it. 640 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,960 You said earlier you couldn't really remember anything 641 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,960 that had happened at the pub that evening? 642 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,160 Just snippets. Just snippets. 643 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,960 But do we understand those snippets to include 644 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,480 that you can remember Mr Hankinson did not mention the synagogue 645 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,800 as somewhere you might attack instead? 646 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,960 That's right. And you can clearly remember 647 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,960 that Mr Lythgoe did not say, "Make sure you don't fuck it up"? 648 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,960 Yeah, because that's just not something he would say. 649 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,960 Those snippets, by chance, you remember - 650 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:57,960 the ones that help your friends. 651 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,960 Curious that the rest of the conversation 652 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:02,960 you were too drunk to remember. Is it that you're trying 653 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,640 to protect your friends, Mr Renshaw? 654 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,960 Is that why you're standing there now, lying to the jury? 655 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,960 I haven't lied. 656 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,960 PROTESTORS SHOUT AGGRESSIVELY 657 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,800 SHOUTING CONTINUES 658 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,960 Are you all right, Bren? 659 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,160 You just make sure you do the fucking business in there, yeah? 660 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,960 That's the twat who's giving Robbie grief. 661 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:00,960 Is he? Yeah. 662 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,960 He's been staring him out, trying to intimidate him. 663 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,960 Hey, gobshite, why don't me and you go for a little walk 664 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,960 after this, eh? Any time. 665 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,960 Yeah, any time. Ready when you are. 666 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,960 Mr Collins, 667 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,960 at one point you, yourself, were a mole, weren't you? 668 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:19,960 That's right, yeah. 669 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960 Er... I was a member of the National Front 670 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,960 and then the BNP. 671 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,960 I was passing information to an anti-fascist magazine. 672 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960 How did you first come into contact with Robbie Mullen? 673 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,960 He wrote to me under a false name. 674 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,960 You know, it was pretty clear that he felt trapped at National Action. 675 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,960 It was like he was in a cult and he wanted out. 676 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,960 Did he ever ask for any money for the information he gave you? 677 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,960 No, none. 678 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:44,960 Thank you. 679 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,960 You took Mr Mullen on holiday, didn't you, to Dublin? 680 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,480 I wouldn't exactly call it a holiday. 681 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,960 He needed a breather. To be honest with you, we both did. 682 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,640 Well, the situation was very tense at the time. 683 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,480 Was that as a reward for coming up with some juicy titbits 684 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:03,960 for your website 685 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,800 and Hope Not Hate magazine? 686 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,960 No. We felt like we had a duty of care towards him, 687 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,960 you know, both for his physical and mental wellbeing. 688 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,960 Well, because, as you said, you'd been there yourself. 689 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,960 All those years ago, that anti-fascist magazine had paid 690 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,960 for an air ticket for you to Australia, hadn't it? 691 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:20,960 That's right, they did, yeah. 692 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,960 Yeah, but there's a big difference between me and Robbie Mullen. 693 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,960 You see, I ran off to Australia 694 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,640 rather than be called up to face any trial 695 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,960 because I didn't want to be accused publicly as an informant. 696 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,160 You know, I didn't wanna be called a grass. 697 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,960 You see, me and Robbie come from a similar background 698 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,800 and we both know what that means. 699 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:41,960 But he's got the courage 700 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,160 to come back and face the people he's accusing. 701 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,960 Very commendable, I'm sure. 702 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,960 No, what I'm saying is... Thank you, my lord. 703 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,320 What I'm saying is Robbie Mullen's a better man than me. 704 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,960 Court will rise. 705 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:07,960 Foreman of the jury, 706 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,960 have you reached verdicts upon which you are all agreed? 707 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,960 Yes. 708 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,960 Will the defendants please rise? 709 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,960 On count three, encouragement to commit murder, 710 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,960 do you find the defendant, Christopher Lythgoe, 711 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,160 guilty or not guilty? 712 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:34,960 Not guilty. 713 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:40,320 On count four, membership of a proscribed organisation, 714 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,960 contrary to Section 11 of the Terrorism Act, 715 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,960 do you find the defendant, Jack Renshaw, guilty or not guilty? 716 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,960 Not guilty. 717 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,960 On the same count, membership of a proscribed organisation, 718 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,320 do you find the defendant, Matthew Hankinson, 719 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,960 guilty or not guilty? 720 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,960 Guilty. 721 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,960 On the same count, membership of a proscribed organisation, 722 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,960 do you find the defendant, Christopher Lythgoe, 723 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960 guilty or not guilty? 724 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,960 Guilty. 725 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,960 The idea that this country should be purged of its ethnic minorities, 726 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,960 its Jews and homosexuals, 727 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,960 and an ideological revolution imposed on the population by force, 728 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,960 is both insidious and evil. 729 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,960 Only a moment's thought is required to come to the conclusion 730 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,000 that violence and repression 731 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,960 on an unprecedented scale would be needed 732 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,800 to achieve such a reign of terror, 733 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,960 because so many right-minded people would rise up 734 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,960 and oppose these monstrous plans. 735 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,960 HE KNOCKS ON DOOR 736 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,960 All right? Come in. You OK? 737 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960 Thanks for looking after him during the trial. 738 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:21,960 Well, he did that himself. 739 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,960 Nobody can persuade him to do anything he don't want to. 740 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:26,960 All right. 741 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,960 Ah, ta. 742 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,960 Ooh. 743 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,960 So, go on, then. 744 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,960 What did they get? 745 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,960 Renshaw got life with a minimum term of 20 years. 746 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,480 Lythgoe got eight and Hankinson got six. 747 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,320 Rosie Cooper, the MP, she thanked you at the trial. 748 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,960 She gave a statement, saying how grateful she was for what you did. 749 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,960 She's supposed to be meeting us at the House of Commons today. 750 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:05,960 That's why I came down here, but... 751 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,960 I was going to go along with you, wasn't I? 752 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,960 Mm. Then why aren't yous going? 753 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,480 Well, the police cancelled it this morning, 754 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,960 and they told her she can't meet with Robbie. 755 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,960 Why can't they just leave it be, eh? 756 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,960 My mum's got Ellie and I wanted to do some shopping afterwards. 757 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,960 I was looking forward to it. 758 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,960 That's what happens to people like us, innit? 759 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,960 Right, get your coat. 760 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,960 What? We're going shopping, come on! 761 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,960 We'll get the tube into town. Are you coming, Robbie? 762 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:33,960 Absolutely not! 763 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,960 Are you sure? 764 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,960 Right. 765 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,480 I'll see you later. Have fun. See you later. 766 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,000 See you later, love. Cheers. 767 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,960 Don't spend too much money! ALISON LAUGHS 768 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,960 You don't fancy that, lad, no? No! 769 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,960 I can't think of anything worse, myself. 770 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,960 I don't think they believed a word I said, did they... 771 00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,960 the jury? 772 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,960 I told you they wouldn't. 773 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960 Well, we got the guilty convictions we needed, didn't we? 774 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,960 Got a couple of non-guilties too, though. 775 00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,960 Well, either way, they're all in prison, aren't they? 776 00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:14,320 Look, you stopped two women from getting murdered. 777 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,960 Never forget that. 778 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,960 You know, the best bit of the trial for me, Rob, 779 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,960 was when they asked you was you still a racist... 780 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,960 ..and you said, "Less so." 781 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,960 You know, it's not just all about people like me 782 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,000 being struck by bolts of lightning 783 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,960 and suddenly seeing the world differently. 784 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,960 It's about people like you... 785 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,960 ..changing just a little bit. 786 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,480 You know, in the words of the late, great Robert Nesta, 787 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,960 "We all have a voice inside us that talks to us 788 00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,960 "and that's the voice we must listen to. 789 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:01,960 "Because in everything you do, 790 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,960 "there's a right way and a wrong way. 791 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,960 "And if you listen good, 792 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,960 "you'll know the right way." 793 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,960 "Less so." 794 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,960 I'll have that, lad. That's progress. 795 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960 Jo Cox. Thank you, Mr Speaker. 796 00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,960 It's a great privilege to be called to make my maiden speech 797 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,000 in this most important of debates, and I congratulate many others 798 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,960 who've made outstanding maiden speeches today as well. 799 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,480 Batley and Spen is a gathering of typically independent, 800 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,960 no-nonsense, proud Yorkshire towns and villages. 801 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,640 Our communities have been deeply enhanced by immigration, 802 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,960 be it Irish Catholics across the constituency, 803 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,960 or Muslims from Indian Gujarat or Pakistan, principally from Kashmir. 804 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,960 And whilst we celebrate our diversity, 805 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,960 the thing that surprises me, time and time again, 806 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,960 as I travel around the constituency, is that we are far more united 807 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,960 and have far more in common than that which divides us. 808 00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,960 Subtitles by accessibility@itv.com 61931

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