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The disco sound was just wonderful.
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It was exciting.
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Powerful.
You know, spank you.
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And you just had a good time.
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Disco brought together Black Pride,
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women's liberation and LGBT culture.
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It was the coming together
of that that made it so powerful.
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Listening to the music and...
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..and letting yourself go,
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you become a different person.
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# Supernature
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# Supernature
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# Supernature
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# Supernature... #
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It was this powder keg
chain reaction that happened
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that made it suddenly
totally take over the airwaves.
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# Supernature... #
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It was, of course,
Saturday Night Fever
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that really tipped everything over,
that tipped the scales.
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It just set the world on fire.
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Disco was on everybody's lips.
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Clubs were packed every night.
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Studio 54.
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I created it as a playground -
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sex, drugs, disco,
whatever you need.
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In the late '70s, the outsider
became the insider.
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The black disco diva
was a breakthrough persona.
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Someone like Donna Summer,
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she was a disco queen.
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Don't forget Gloria
in all her glory-a.
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# Supernature... #
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I think that era of music allowed
the disco diva to have this stage
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to be adored and celebrated.
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Disco freed me.
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It saved me.
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In all the decisions
I have made in my public life,
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I have always tried to do
what was best for the nation.
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Throughout the long and
difficult period of Watergate,
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I felt it was my duty to persevere,
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to make every possible effort
to complete the term of office
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to which you elected me.
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In the mid 1970s, the United States
was not a happy place.
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There was the Watergate scandal,
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and any faith that Americans
had in government
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was shaken to its core.
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What percentage of the
American people do you think
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still have confidence
in President Nixon?
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Well, among young people,
very few. I'd say less than 25%.
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Therefore,
I shall resign the presidency
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effective at noon tomorrow.
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Richard Nixon
has announced he will resign
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as president of the
United States at noon tomorrow.
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In my life and everybody I know,
Nixon was detested,
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but it was an intense period
of time.
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You knew you were living history.
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You knew that this is monumental.
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It was a hard time
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because of the Vietnam War,
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also a nuclear bomb threat.
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And Russia, you know, that they
might drop a bomb any day.
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Oh, my God. What we gonna do?
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The flip side
of this dark moment is that...
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..when life gets hard,
you party harder.
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I was living in New York
in the 1970s.
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All we wanted to do
was dance to disco music.
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# I never can say goodbye... #
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It was a freedom.
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It was like, express yourself
was so welcomed and wanted.
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And music
was the common denominator.
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I mean, it was just igniting
people's dance souls.
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# ..turn around, you fool... #
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Why is everybody rushing and
flooding the doors of discotheque?
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Oh, I think it's because
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with all of the hardships that
are going on in the world today,
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people need a place to go
and relieve tension
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and then release their anxieties,
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and discotheques
are a great place to do just that.
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# Ooh-hoo, baby
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# I never can say goodbye
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# No, no, no, hey
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# I never can say goodbye
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# Oh, no, I... #
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Gloria Gaynor
is a rock and roll singer
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whose records have really
never made it
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until she decided to specialise
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in a brand-new rock and roll
musical style called disco music.
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# But there's that same
unhappy feeling
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# There's that anguish,
there's the doubt... #
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She made you raise your hands up
and want to touch the ceiling
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while you were dancing
and screaming.
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When Gloria was doing her thing,
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I think she was
the First Lady of Disco.
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# ..is it so?
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# I don't wanna let you go... #
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She was one of the earliest people
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to have a major presence,
in the clubs,
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was, you know, the Queen of Disco
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before there was such a title.
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# No, no, no... #
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Gloria, did you ever think
this would happen?
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No, I really didn't.
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Not like this anyway.
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I always thought I would sing
eventually, but I never thought
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all this would happen.
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# I never can say goodbye,
no, no, no... #
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I think disco means
to most people...
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..probably it means a lot of fun.
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To me...
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..it meant a change.
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In the early '70s,
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black women were caught
between a rock and a hard place.
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Statistically, they were
at the bottom of the heap.
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They earned less than most
any other group, male or female.
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They were victimised
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by a notorious
government-sponsored report
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called the Moynihan Report.
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It was a report that discussed
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what were the particular problems
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of blacks and Jews
and Puerto Ricans.
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Black women were literally blamed
for the problems of black men.
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Black women were heads
of their families,
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too matriarchal, too strong.
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And unfortunately,
when scholars produce a document
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that is government approved,
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people tend to believe it.
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And so rather than fight
against this,
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which was virtually impossible
for a group that oppressed to do,
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they tried not to be like that.
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You had to work hard to fit in,
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and to fit in,
you're going to be quiet.
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You're not going to bring
all your loud culture with you
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or whatever it is
and make demands,
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you're going to try and fit in.
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When I was growing up, the only time
that people heard my voice,
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I was singing.
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My father had been a minister,
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so we just had to kind of stick
to what we were told to do.
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I just wanted to sing.
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The pastor called me up on the stage
and I started singing.
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And the church people started
shouting
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and screaming and standing up
and waving.
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"Sing, baby! Sing that song."
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That was the beginning.
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The gospel diva or the soul diva,
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that's a really powerful,
full-bodied sound
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that moved into the mainstream
in the '60s.
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Sarah Dash, Nona Hendryx,
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Patricia Hoult -
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known as Patti LaBelle
And The Bluebells.
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# Somewhere over the rainbow... #
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In the '60s,
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we were a traditional girl group
and we dressed alike.
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We did the kind of,
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you know, lead singer
with backing singers,
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waving their arms
and looking very nice.
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Patti LaBelle And The Bluebells
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were fulfilling a vision
of black womanhood
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that was on the tail end
of the early '60s Motown era.
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They embodied that
nonthreatening persona
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that America wanted to place
black women in.
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We were expected to carry ourselves
a certain way in the public,
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you know, well-dressed,
well behaved.
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That's how it was.
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# ..really do come true... #
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In the music industry,
we were fighting,
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trying to get out of that box that
we were put in
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in the '60s.
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So disco was wonderful.
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Disco did offer black women
new opportunities.
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Disco did give space for black women
to kind of add soul
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and funk and depth
to a lot of different kinds of music
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to kind of take centre stage,
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like Patti LaBelle
And The Bluebells.
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My next guest stars are the hottest
girl group in America.
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Man, they are truly hot and they've
got the hottest single, too -
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Lady Marmalade.
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And here they. Nona Hendryx,
Sara Dash and Patti LaBelle.
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Know throughout the music industry
as Labelle.
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# Hey sister, go sister,
soul sister, go sister
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# Hey sister, go sister,
soul sister, go sister
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# He met Marmalade
down in old Moulin Rouge
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# Struttin' her stuff
on the street... #
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When Patti LaBelle And The Bluebells
changed their name,
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they changed their look
and they changed it dramatically.
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# Gitchie, gitchie, ya-ya, here
Uh-huh
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# Mocha Chocolata, ya-ya... #
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Patti LaBelle And The Bluebells
were a girl group.
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Right?
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Labelle were a girl band.
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# Voulez-vous danser avec moi,
ce soir?
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# Voulez-vous danser avec moi? #
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Labelle looking like they just,
like, beamed in from some
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crazy, funky galaxy.
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It was just so over the top
and so amazing and so out there.
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That, to me, meant a certain
kind of freedom.
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# Gitchie, gitchie, ya-ya, here... #
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The architect of the look of Labelle
was LeGaspi.
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He also designed the look for KISS.
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He also designed the look
for Funkadelic.
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Larry was already sort of making
things that looked
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like a futuristic look.
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And then with us being open
to even going further,
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he began to design more.
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# More, more, more! #
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I was mesmerised and delighted
to see my people in a way
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that was unlike any way anyone
had ever imagined them.
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# More, more, more
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# Gitchie, gitchie, ya-ya... #
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And our organisation is, I think
is probably one of the few
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organisations
which are run by women.
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We have a woman manager, lawyer,
and we're businesswomen now.
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Now. Thanks to Vicki.
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Vicki Wickham was the manager
of Labelle
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and was someone who really helped
Labelle develop their vision
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and really encouraged Labelle
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to take on a
more experimental spirit
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in their costumes,
as well as the songs
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that they were performing.
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We met Vicki on our third
or fourth trip to England.
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She was producing Ready, Steady, Go.
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I think Vicki brought
a new belief in us as young women.
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I guess a sense of confidence
as individuals.
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We were deciding what kind
of staging we wanted to have.
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We were deciding
what music we wanted to record.
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We were making the decisions.
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We were just singing songs that felt
right to us or mattered to us,
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and the audience
were responding to it.
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# ..feelin' silky smooth... #
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Lady Marmalade is talking about
basically sex tourism and sex work.
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# ..cry
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# More, more, more... #
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Women don't often get centre stage
or if there is a story that's
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being told, it's also a story
that's about titillation
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or about fetishization.
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It's like a playwright, you know,
someone describing something
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as opposed to judging it.
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And in a way that's not celebratory,
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but in a way that was
not downtrodden and horrible
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and that this is just yet another
aspect of life.
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I really think that music
was really important
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in terms of creating social change.
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And in this moment, you know,
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music was reflecting
black women's lives
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in a way that it hadn't ever been.
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I was so glad disco came in.
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You know, good music, good lyrics,
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songs that had a meaning to them.
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In the '60s,
we were known as R&B singers.
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# I'd rather be lonely
than to lose you... #
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My songs were like,
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"I'm just a prison,"
and begging men not to leave me
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and, "Oh, God, if you leave me,
I'm just going to die," you know?
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I mean, this was the kind of songs
they would play on us women.
254
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Women. Men could sing
anything they wanted to sing.
255
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So to make a long story short,
256
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disco...freed me.
257
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It saved me.
258
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You know, I've been married
a few times,
259
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and I don't mind telling it
260
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cos, you know, I was in
one of those type of marriages,
261
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but it was dangerous.
262
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It was really a dangerous marriage.
263
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So I was doing Las Vegas
with Ray Charles.
264
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I was opening for Ray Charles.
265
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The last night, I decided
I was going to just sit
266
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in the audience and watch
Ray do his show.
267
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And my ex-husband, he was looking
for me, and he couldn't find me.
268
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And I was in the audience. And he
kept walking up and down the aisle.
269
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I saw him.
270
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And that's the night
when he went completely nuts.
271
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My suite was way up
on the 20th-something floor.
272
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And he pushed me, you know,
273
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he was pushing me all the way
through the lobby to the elevator,
274
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and then we get to the floor.
275
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He said, "I'm going to kill
you tonight.
276
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"I tell you what I'm going to do.
277
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"I'm going to throw you off
the balcony."
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20-something floors.
279
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He picked me up.
280
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And had me, holding me
over the banister like this.
281
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And I'm like, "This man
is going to kill me tonight.
282
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"How in the world?
283
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"Well, how am I going
to get out of this one?"
284
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I said,
285
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"You know, you are in this hotel
and it's owned by mafia.
286
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"This is Las Vegas.
We're in Las Vegas now.
287
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"See, you got to get out of here.
288
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"You got to walk out of here.
289
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"How are you going to feel with my
body splattered at the bottom
290
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"and my name is on the marquee?"
291
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And I said, "You won't make
it out of Vegas."
292
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He thought,
and he brought me back in.
293
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And he said,
294
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"I tell you what I'm going to do.
I'm just going to shoot you."
295
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So I laid... I just...
You know, I was so tired.
296
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I just lay down on the bed.
297
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I said, "OK, shoot me."
298
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I went to sleep.
299
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He had a gun like this.
300
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I said, "Just shoot me.
I won't know it."
301
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Just forget it.
302
00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,160
That's how Young Hearts Run Free
came about.
303
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# What's the sense in sharing
this one and only life
304
00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,480
# Ending up just another
lost and lonely wife
305
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,000
# You count up the years
306
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# And they will be filled
with tears... #
307
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That song is for women.
308
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It's about survival.
309
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# ..to start over again
310
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# You'll get the babies,
but you won't have your man
311
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# While he's busy loving
every woman that he can... #
312
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Music has a way of changing people.
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When they won't listen to you,
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talk to them.
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Look at Mavis.
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# Respect yourself. #
317
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# R-E-S-P-E-C-T. #
Aretha.
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You can say it. Respect yourself.
319
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It'll just go right over their head.
320
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But sing it.
321
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It gets into the spirit.
322
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# ..like my man and me... #
323
00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:11,240
Candi Staton is singing about pain,
324
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,840
and yet the power in her voice
says that she's no victim.
325
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,760
# ..yourself be true... #
326
00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,760
She is telling her story
327
00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:23,520
and there's a triumph
just in the telling of the story.
328
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# Don't love you. #
329
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,880
Isn't that amazing?
330
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,360
You're singing a sad song
and folks are dancing.
331
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One girl... I got to tell you this.
332
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One girl, she said,
333
00:19:40,120 --> 00:19:44,600
"I could not believe I was dancing
to such a sad song."
334
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,600
She said,
"That song is tear jerking."
335
00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,760
She said, "But I love it."
336
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,280
# ..time they say
337
00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:00,280
# Self preservation
is what's really going on today. #
338
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We couldn't sing those type
of songs back in the early '60s.
339
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,760
We started doing that in the '70s.
340
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,440
For the longest time,
it was very hard for black acts
341
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,440
to become strong pop acts,
342
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,760
outside of something
like Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye.
343
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,240
The charts in the '70s
were much more segregated.
344
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,880
During those days in music,
it was the Billboard charts.
345
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They had a pop side,
they had an R&B column,
346
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but they weren't together.
347
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,720
You made the R&B charts,
which was all black.
348
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Everything was black.
349
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,280
It was amazing
if you could get on the pop side.
350
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Disco made it possible
for black acts to become pop acts
351
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more than they ever had before.
352
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,920
It meant that there were suddenly
a lot of black performers
353
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,920
on the charts
that had not been there before,
354
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,240
had not been...
355
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,200
Not had the ability
to cross over in that way.
356
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,560
I was on the Motown label
for five years.
357
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,440
At that time
we were interested in singles,
358
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,360
so I was in that studio recording.
It was like a job.
359
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:29,480
I was in the studio all the time
recording,
360
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,600
trying to get that single.
361
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,920
They would want you to do it
362
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:35,400
over and over and over and over
and over again.
363
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,720
Trying to get that hit, right.
364
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,280
Trying to get that single.
365
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:45,480
Suzanne de Passe.
366
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,080
She was running the A&R department
at Motown.
367
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,640
She found the song.
She heard the song.
368
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:02,840
That song was originally recorded
by Harold Melvin & The Blue Notes.
369
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,960
She thought that the song
was great with the guy singing that.
370
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,400
But she says, "But if a woman sings
that, then that's really good."
371
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,400
# Don't leave me this way
372
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,880
# I can't survive
373
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,840
# I can't stay alive... #
374
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,400
It was specifically cut
as a disco song.
375
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,360
You know, that psss, pss, psss?
376
00:22:24,360 --> 00:22:27,520
# Don't leave me this way... #
377
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:30,880
That was Suzanne de Passe
and Hal Davis.
378
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,440
They cut it to be disco.
379
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,040
They had a good beat, you know,
380
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,000
that would get you out
to the dance floor
381
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,400
and it just kept building and
building and building.
382
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,640
And that's the kind of song
383
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,480
that you like to dance to
in the club.
384
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,160
# Baby, my heart is full of love
385
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,120
# And it's all for you... #
386
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:52,440
Female voices and female, you know,
female registering voices
387
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,600
just work better
with dance music for some reason.
388
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,880
And I feel like with disco
389
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,320
there opened up a stage
for a lot of amazing women.
390
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,160
# It's only your good lovin'
can set me free.. #
391
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,720
Somehow I got the test pressing,
392
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,000
so I said,
"Ooh, I want to hear this."
393
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,600
So I got to work and I
go to hear this real good.
394
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:22,360
So a friend of mine was also friends
with a lady that owned the club
395
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:26,240
that we used to go to dance
at called the Catch One.
396
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,880
It was mostly like a gay club.
397
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,120
The straight girls would call
it Catch None.
398
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,920
And she allowed me to come
in there on an afternoon
399
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,920
and play it, like,
with their equipment.
400
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,200
That, "Owwww!" That was there.
401
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,560
And...
402
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,440
So the thing about a test pressing
403
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,840
is you can only play it
so many times.
404
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:49,560
So I played it so many times
it was like...
405
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,080
By the end it was like, "Drrrrrr!"
406
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,520
# Come on down
and do what you've got to do... #
407
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,600
The DJs in the clubs,
408
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,880
they played my song all the time
409
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,280
cos people liked to dance to it.
410
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,120
I knew that it was going
to be a good dance song.
411
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:07,680
I knew that.
412
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,000
But as far as a hit,
413
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,760
no, I had no idea.
414
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,680
I have here a scarf.
Tell us about it, will you?
415
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,840
Well, this scarf... This scarf!
..tells that my record
416
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,520
is number one in the nation.
417
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,640
How about that?
418
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:44,440
Black women became stars
with huge LGBTQ followings.
419
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:50,680
So the black disco diva
was a breakthrough persona.
420
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,040
And this means everything
to black women
421
00:24:54,040 --> 00:25:01,040
because the minute you see yourself
in a raised position, you know,
422
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:02,480
as a world-class artist
423
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,320
that people would pay a fortune
to buy a ticket,
424
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,200
you could fill up Madison Square
Garden, this kind of thing,
425
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,320
it opens possibilities.
426
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,040
To see Labelle on the
cover of Rolling Stone magazine,
427
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,040
the first black female group
to ever be on the cover,
428
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,640
this was a really heroic moment.
429
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040
At that time in the '70s,
430
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,040
we broke the glass ceiling
for women.
431
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,480
Women became
very, very, very popular.
432
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,960
In the 1970s, there is an idea
of a sexual revolution
433
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,840
that's afoot, you know,
in the culture.
434
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:54,520
Whole groups of people
were demanding personal freedom.
435
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,320
We also had the Vietnam War.
436
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,840
And the Vietnam War had been brutal.
437
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,120
And it didn't really end until 1975.
438
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:06,280
# Do a little dance,
make a little love... #
439
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,680
The bulletin has just come in
from Saigon.
440
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,360
The war is over.
441
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,960
South Vietnam's new president
442
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,520
has announced
an unconditional surrender.
443
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,480
# Get down tonight... #
444
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,520
And so you had this huge thing
by the mid '70s.
445
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,120
Everyone's back from the war now.
446
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,240
You're not going
to be drafted any more.
447
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,840
And everybody looking for fun
448
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:31,120
and everybody looking for something
that appealed to them at their age.
449
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:36,720
What appeal to the baby boomers?
Sex, drugs and rock and roll.
450
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,160
# Do a little dance... #
451
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,840
People were celebrating life
in the club.
452
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,120
The music talked about,
453
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,760
"We got to love each other.
We got to spread this love."
454
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,080
# Get down tonight... #
455
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,600
The genre of disco
during that time period
456
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,840
was so huge
and so successful.
457
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,480
And also, disco music was fun.
458
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,760
You sort of felt the beat
and the pulse
459
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,760
of what the public wanted.
460
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,120
And we made a commitment
that we were going to be in the
disco business.
461
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,080
# Get down tonight
462
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,040
# Hey
Do a little dance
463
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,600
# Make a little love
464
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,160
# Get down tonight
465
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,720
# Get down tonight... #
466
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,560
Neil heard Donna's voice
and he said, "Oh, I like this,"
467
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,240
and proceeded to put out
Love To Love You.
468
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:40,360
# I love to love you, baby
469
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:45,120
# I love to love you, baby
470
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:49,880
# I love to love you, baby
471
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:55,080
# I love to love you, baby
472
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,840
# I... #
473
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,800
No-one had heard anything
like that before.
474
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,440
It was really daring.
475
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,840
It was really outrageous
in a lot of ways.
476
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,280
But it was so good.
477
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,120
It was so well done.
478
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,400
# I love to love you, baby... #
479
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,920
The song revolves around
480
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,560
Donna Summer having sex
481
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,080
or at least pretending to,
very effectively.
482
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,440
# Do it to me again and again
483
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,840
# You put me through
such an awful spin
484
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,360
# In a spin
In a spin, uh... #
485
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,800
Love To Love You, Baby
486
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:39,280
was an expression
of sexual equality.
487
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,240
That song was a way
of giving women permission
488
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:48,000
to have the same sexual feelings
as a man.
489
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,120
# I love to love you, baby... #
490
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,320
Donna Summer described herself
as someone who kind of
491
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,640
fell into the role of sex diva.
492
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,680
She didn't really expect
that Love To Love You, Baby
493
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,840
would be picked up and seen as like
this game-changing song.
494
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,040
The interesting thing is
495
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,120
the record was not a success...
496
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600
..until Neil made it
16-plus minutes.
497
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,600
It was the first LP like that.
498
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,320
Now it didn't exist
before Neil did that.
499
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,600
# Love to love you, baby
500
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,800
# Oh, love to love you, baby... #
501
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,760
It was a trip.
It was almost 17 minutes long.
502
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,560
And even though there weren't a lot
of lyrics to the song,
503
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,520
it was emotional.
504
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,040
The production was so important
in it,
505
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,720
and no-one had ever done
anything like that before.
506
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,920
I mean, it was, you know,
it was Donna.
507
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,280
She was special.
508
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,520
When I played,
like in a really big club,
509
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,000
it was like watch...
It was like ecstasy.
510
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,480
and it was really a sensual,
sexual record.
511
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,600
And so people got
into a different groove.
512
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Listening to Donna Summer
on acid at the Pavilion
513
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,680
was like being in heaven.
514
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,000
It was just like being
in another world.
515
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,880
When that hit the discos,
within two weeks
516
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,320
the record was gold.
517
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,040
But to get it on the radio stations
at 16 minutes,
518
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,520
now that's a trick.
519
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,600
Neil bought a whole bunch
of stations at midnight.
520
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,800
He bought time
on the radio stations. Mm-hm.
521
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,680
Casablanca actually bought
that time and
522
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,720
therefore could play
whatever they wanted to
523
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,640
for 16-plus minutes.
524
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,960
Casablanca brings you a moment
of love with the First Lady of Love.
525
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,040
People were calling in
and they wanted to hear it again,
526
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,840
and that was... Then it just took
off from there.
527
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,640
You know, what was it, 22 orgasms
or whatever they called it,
528
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,040
in Time magazine and Newsweek.
And she was in everything.
529
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,640
The song, you know, had been banned
by the BBC
530
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,640
and banned
by some US radio stations as well.
531
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,520
It had kind of a tough life.
532
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,800
I mean, I have been put down for it.
You know, I have been scorned.
533
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,440
Hmm. Why?
534
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,720
Well, you know, there are certain
people I mean, reverends and things
535
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,080
who have not taken it very lightly.
536
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Oh, the uptight folks.
The Puritans among us.
537
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,320
Well, you know,
the funny part of it is,
538
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,920
I'm kind of a puritan myself
539
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,720
and that the song
was just the song as such.
540
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,640
And, all of a sudden,
it became kind of a revolution.
541
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,280
Did sexuality drive disco?
542
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,200
Um, you know, I mean, that's kind
of always been there in music.
543
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,840
I mean, there's some dirty songs.
544
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,040
I mean, Love In C Minor. Cerrone.
545
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,400
He's basically having a four way
in the, in the beginning.
546
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,160
He's getting down
with three ladies
547
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,080
and there's also a really wonderful
little moment of consent there
548
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,360
where one of the girls
is like, "No, don't do that."
549
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200
And he's like,
"I'm sorry, are you OK?
550
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,560
"How about this?"
551
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:37,760
"Yes."
552
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,640
So, yeah, it was... It was great.
553
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Record companies have always
wanted to exploit sex.
554
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,960
It happened long before disco.
555
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,960
Between the early '70s
and the late '70s,
556
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,640
the covers became more sexualised.
557
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,840
There were more women on the covers
without much clothing on.
558
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:12,680
There were a lot of really, you
know, kind of outrageous covers,
559
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,400
lots of nudity,
lots of female nudity,
560
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,320
and little by little,
some male nudity as well.
561
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,320
The jacket for Theo Vaness -
Bad, Bad Boy
562
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,640
has a guy in the foreground
and a guy in the background,
563
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:35,640
and he's clearly looking at him
with sexual interest.
564
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,040
A straight person would not...
You know, they would flip through it
565
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,480
and it wouldn't faze them.
566
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:46,960
A gay person would see it and go,
"Whoa, this is about us!"
567
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,000
In the '70s, we were desperate
to see signs of our own existence
568
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,600
in popular culture.
569
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,600
And so we would look at records
like these as affirmations
570
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,240
of who we are, of our existence.
571
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,080
Gay is obviously a lot more visible
now than it used to be
572
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:14,240
what with gay candidates, magazines,
social and political organisations.
573
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:16,160
The rest of the world is having
to notice
574
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,960
what it used to try to ignore,
575
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,520
is finding out that homosexuals no
longer meekly melt away
576
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,560
under the blast of scorn,
ridicule or hatred.
577
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:32,360
Disco will always be entwined
with the Gay Pride movement.
578
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,800
This is what being gay is all about,
579
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:43,400
is being free, free from the chains
that have bound us forever.
580
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,360
If there is one American
city in which the gay rights issue,
581
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,640
if not embraced, is at least
tolerated, it is San Francisco.
582
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,800
Gays reportedly
make up 12% of the population
583
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,080
and possibly 30% of the voters
who go to the polls.
584
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,600
Last January, the city elected
585
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,560
its first open homosexual
to public office -
586
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,320
a fellow named Harvey Milk -
587
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,280
to the Board of Supervisors.
588
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Harvey Milk was the first
out politician
589
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,080
that came from
the gay movement itself.
590
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,680
He represented gay people in a way
that hadn't been done before.
591
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,720
Just like Harvey Milk mirrored
an element of San Francisco,
592
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:25,120
so did Sylvester.
593
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,280
Sylvester first presented himself
594
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,240
as sort of really traditional blues
and jazz,
595
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:37,160
glam rock and soul all at once.
596
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,040
And there was no place for it.
597
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,240
But when disco came around,
there was an audience
598
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,440
for all these things
599
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,360
that could come together
in no other genre.
600
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,360
Disco allowed Sylvester
to be churchy and queer
601
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,720
at the same time.
602
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,920
The man you're about to hear
is one of the most theatrical
603
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,160
and flamboyant performers
on the disco scene.
604
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,920
Here is that bizarre star,
the sensational Sylvester.
605
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,520
# You mean I've been dancin'
on the floor, darlin'
606
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,240
# And I feel like I need
some more and I... #
607
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:18,840
Sylvester was out and proud
and put it in your face.
608
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,880
There was a lot of things
that were gay and you didn't know.
609
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,840
Sylvester was almost drag.
610
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,320
He was like, "This is who I am.
611
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,640
"You like me, you don't like me,
I don't care.
612
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,400
"You accept me or you
don't accept me, I don't care."
613
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,720
He was unapologetic for being
who he was,
614
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,800
which is wonderful.
615
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:42,440
# You make me feel mighty real... #
616
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:47,240
Sylvester is the definition
of fearlessness.
617
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,800
I don't know if you've ever met
someone that when you meet them,
618
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,240
they make you feel
your most authentic.
619
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:59,280
And so I think that's what
that...that feels like for me.
620
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,280
# You make me feel
621
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,640
# Mighty real... #
622
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,520
I remember when Mighty Real
was released,
623
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,040
and it was major!
624
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Major, major, major.
625
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,720
# ..feel mighty real... #
626
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:19,760
It's a song that never gets old.
It's never going to get old.
627
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,760
It's one of the best songs
ever recorded.
628
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,480
You could always put it on
at any party.
629
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,080
You could be in a heavy room
and, like, that song can come on
630
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,280
and...and just change everything.
631
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,040
# You make me feel
632
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,160
# Mighty real... #
633
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,840
It's that voice!
634
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,920
That kind of like androgyny
with vocals is really fun.
635
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:48,640
And I think that Sylvester
was one of the pioneers of that.
636
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,720
# Mighty real... #
637
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,280
He was extremely high.
638
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,280
He...he...he was in nosebleed land.
639
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,200
I said, "Child, I can't even
think that high."
640
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,480
There was one moment
that the label tried to change him.
641
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,240
They wanted him to conform,
642
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:12,320
to be a straight man
or to do things,
643
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,840
wear a suit, you know,
chew gum and play baseball.
644
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,720
And he marched up to those offices
in a ball gown and wig
645
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,720
and, you know, full make-up
646
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:31,040
and walked down those steps,
massive staircase.
647
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,000
And he walked down that staircase
in full drag.
648
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,360
And he said, "No. Mm-mm.
I'm just going to be myself."
649
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,120
He refused to change.
650
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,200
Do I smile when I talk about him?
651
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,440
You had a memorable event
in San Francisco. Yes.
652
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,720
What happened?
653
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,760
We were the first disco act
or popular music act
654
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,800
to ever perform in
the San Francisco Opera House
655
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,320
with the San Francisco Symphony.
656
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560
With the symphony?! Yes.
657
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,200
The first time... Right!
658
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,120
The Living Proof album by Sylvester,
659
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,120
it's a live recording
at the San Francisco Opera House.
660
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,200
And from what I understand
about this night, I feel like
661
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,520
this could have been
the peak moment of disco.
662
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,480
They blew the roof off of the joint.
663
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,320
Come on in here, everybody.
664
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,720
The symphony players
are really straight.
665
00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:39,240
Straight? Oh. I see.
666
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:42,040
Well, I mean, you know...
667
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,480
You know how
classical musicians are.
668
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,200
So what I did to make them
loosen up a little bit
669
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,400
just before the curtain,
670
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,560
I said this just before
the curtain went up.
671
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,000
And I ran around backstage
672
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,320
and I threw pounds of glitter
all on their hair,
673
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,280
all on their instruments,
all over everything.
674
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,040
They must've loved that.
They did love it.
675
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,240
They played great. Really?
Yeah.
676
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,880
Sylvester was not...
677
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,080
..you know, seeking to be political.
678
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,360
The more success he had,
679
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,880
the more he was able to express
himself as to who he was.
680
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,920
And that might be seen
as being political.
681
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,040
There's a really great photo
682
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,520
of Harvey Milk
and Sylvester together.
683
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,880
It was for Harvey Milk's
birthday party.
684
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,240
I was with Sylvester.
685
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,640
It was a grand party, too.
686
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,560
Harvey Milk knew how to party.
And Sylvester sang.
687
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,480
It's fascinating that there
were these two people
688
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,640
that happened at the same time
689
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,960
to really make a difference
690
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,400
and politicise the ordinary stuff.
691
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,240
Both Harvey Milk and Sylvester
were doing that.
692
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,240
In the late '70s,
the outsider became the insider.
693
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,480
The trans women would show up
at the Manhattan discos.
694
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,120
They weren't just welcomed,
they were encouraged.
695
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,680
You know, it was like
it was their home.
696
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,600
People wanted to mix
with that culture,
697
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,280
that marginalised,
very marginalised culture,
698
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,720
especially at that time.
699
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,400
I was there with my camera.
700
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,080
I stumbled into this world.
701
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,360
# Oooh
702
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,480
# It's so good, it's so good,
it's so good, it's so good
703
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,800
# It's so good
704
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:42,640
# Ohh... #
705
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,520
This is the scene
outside a New York disco
706
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,360
called Studio 54.
707
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,240
This is the place that's in
with the disco crowd.
708
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:53,280
One of the owners, Steve Rubell,
works the door.
709
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200
He is choosy about who gets in
710
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,680
and that adds to the mystique.
711
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,360
# I feel love, I feel love,
I feel love, I feel love
712
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,640
# I feel... #
713
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,320
Steve Rubell became
a really close friend of mine.
714
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,640
He wanted to open a club
that was beyond any other club
715
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,000
that was open till that time.
716
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,560
And that was his inspiration.
717
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,920
We try and make this
like a play.
718
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,040
And we want to get the right cast
of characters
719
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,520
so that everybody has a good time,
720
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,560
so that not one group is dominant.
721
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,040
There's nothing more boring
than a room full of celebrities
722
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,400
or a room full of anything.
723
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,880
They would look
and they would say, "You."
724
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,840
Two out there, please,
725
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,200
And they would say, "Me?"
726
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,800
"Yeah. Come on in. Come on in."
727
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,320
They would pick
who they wanted to come in.
728
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,440
It would be so crowded outside.
729
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,840
Two out there, please.
On the left.
730
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,600
People went to Studio 54 to be seen,
731
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,720
and there were people
who went to Studio 54 to party.
732
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:05,080
I went there to party.
733
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,920
I created it as a playground
734
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,000
so people would go.
735
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,560
Sex, drugs, disco,
whatever you need.
736
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,160
A one-night stand
is better than nothing.
737
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,520
But you know something to enjoy life
and to make it more creative.
738
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:27,080
# I feel love... #
739
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,160
Glamour up your ass.
740
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,600
It just was so ostentatious.
741
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000
Beyond...
Ostentatious beyond belief.
742
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,760
# I feel love... #
743
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,040
There was never anything like it.
744
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,360
And there will never be
anything again like it.
745
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,920
# Oooooh
746
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,120
# I'm in love, I'm in love... #
747
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,400
The waiters who were bare-chested,
in little shorts.
748
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,160
Huge DJ area.
749
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:08,400
Not only control of the music,
but all the effects.
750
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,240
# I feel love, I feel love,
I feel love, I feel... #
751
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:14,840
And you feel like the music
752
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,360
is pumping inside your body.
Boom, boom.
753
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Disco music, for me,
is the type of music that
754
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,920
no matter how tired you are,
you have to dance.
755
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,440
You have to.
756
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,040
The energy that it has
is so magnificent
757
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,960
that there is no other way.
758
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,800
And that brings everybody together
759
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,520
with that gay energy,
760
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,880
which is so important
761
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,800
because they are the ones
that want to be out every night.
762
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,760
Andy Warhol was a...
763
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,560
..fixture.
764
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,880
He didn't want to miss out
on anything.
765
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,000
He would go to the opening
of an envelope
766
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,880
because he was scared
of missing out.
767
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,560
# ..fallin' free, fallin' free,
fallin' free, fallin' free... #
768
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,520
Grace Jones, when she did
the first New Year's Eve,
769
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,720
that was legendary.
770
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:08,920
It was, like, beyond.
771
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:12,880
She came out of the staircase
in the stage
772
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,800
and having three guys on leashes
like dogs.
773
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,280
It was amazing.
774
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,120
# Oooh... #
775
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,240
You know, they only invested
$300,000 to do the Studio
776
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:28,560
and the first year they were making
$3 million.
777
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,760
OK? In those years.
778
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,560
Steve liked to talk a lot
to the press every day.
779
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,360
He's saying, "We are making
more money than the mafia."
780
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,240
People all over the country
were opening up discos.
781
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,200
It was a phenomenon, clearly.
782
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,840
There was a real focus
on opening bigger clubs,
783
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,840
looking for a larger audience
that was clearly out there.
784
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:05,720
I got a job at New York, New York
in the fall of 1977.
785
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,720
It was sort of an
upscale midtown disco
786
00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:14,040
that was catering to
a very mainstream white crowd.
787
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,360
They were open seven nights a week.
788
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,880
They had private parties
in the afternoon
789
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,920
and then the evening until four or
five in the morning or whenever,
790
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,080
every night.
791
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,680
It never stopped.
792
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,440
There was this powder keg
chain reaction that happened
793
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,840
that made it suddenly totally
take over the airwaves
794
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,360
and mass media
795
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,080
and everything else all at once.
796
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,640
And then late in 1977
797
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,080
was when Saturday Night Fever
literally exploded.
798
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,040
Just like crazy what happened
with that record.
799
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,400
And with... I mean, it just set
the world on fire.
800
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,200
# ..by the way I use my walk
801
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,320
# I'm a woman's man,
no time to talk
802
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,560
# Music loud and women warm,
I've been kicked around
803
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,880
# Since I was born
804
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,280
# And now it's all right, it's OK
805
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,720
# And you may look the other way
806
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,760
# We can try to understand
807
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,440
# The New York Times'
effect on man... #
808
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:30,040
Saturday Night Fever was this
amazing game-changing film.
809
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,840
I don't think the film producers
even realised the kind of impact
810
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,240
that it was going to have.
811
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:36,920
And its soundtrack
812
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,280
is one of the best selling
soundtracks of all time,
813
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,040
and I think it wouldn't have made
the kind of impact
814
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,320
that it would have
without the soundtrack itself.
815
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,480
# ..alive
816
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,440
# Oh when you walk... #
817
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,960
The Bee Gees weren't a disco band.
818
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,720
Along with their producers and some
of their writers,
819
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,640
they found a formula,
that was brilliant,
820
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,720
to do as a soundtrack for a movie
821
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,400
that was basically
exploitation of disco.
822
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,680
The Bee Gees album made hundreds
of millions of dollars.
823
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,400
# Whether you're a brother
or whether you're a mother
824
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,760
# You're stayin' alive,
stayin' alive
825
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,160
# Feel the city breakin'
and everybody shakin'... #
826
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:25,640
Saturday Night Fever made me feel
like all our work was being noticed.
827
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,160
I loved it. I loved the music.
I loved everything about it.
828
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,080
# Stayin' alive... #
829
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,120
Bee Gees were... They were one
of my favourite groups.
830
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,000
# ..alive... #
831
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,200
Yeah. It changed a lot.
It changed a lot.
832
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,760
It broadened the spectrum of music.
833
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,400
A lot of people that weren't
into the disco-type thing
834
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,040
kind of embraced that.
835
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,880
Saying Night Fever gave disco
a story
836
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,640
where the white straight guy
is at the centre of it.
837
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,400
It put a face on it.
838
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,360
Tony is a very everyman kind of guy
839
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,080
that the average white guy
could relate to.
840
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,280
You know, it was like Rocky, right?
841
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:14,200
It's the everyman
who's kind of thuggish but debonair.
842
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,640
He's polished, he's graceful
843
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:21,760
and he's not completely masculine.
844
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,520
He embraces his femininity, too.
845
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,200
If he didn't, then, you know,
846
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,640
he'd be laughed off the dance
floor.
847
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,600
All right!
848
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:39,920
I remember him being
just like a real asshole
849
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,200
and just super macho and, you know,
not very nice to women.
850
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,320
It was upsetting
that Saturday Night Fever
851
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,400
didn't represent the disco
that I knew and loved,
852
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,400
but it represented
something very particular.
853
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,520
# You should be dancin'... #
854
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,720
It made dance culture
and the involvement in dance
855
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:06,160
really understandable to a lot
of people who probably didn't quite
856
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,040
understand why their kids
were going out dancing all the time.
857
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,200
It's interesting after this,
the ways that the lit up floor
858
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,200
and his dance moves,
859
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,800
his white suits
that Tony was wearing
860
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:23,200
with a little mirrored ball,
861
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,600
the slicked back hair,
862
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,960
and then the lady on your arm
who is kind of wearing
863
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:28,960
some kind of flouncy,
fluttery skirt.
864
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,400
It's what became disco.
865
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,480
A lot of people
had to take dance lessons.
866
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,760
Three, four, five.
867
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:45,760
They couldn't just get on the floor
and master it like, you know,
868
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,160
John Travolta. You don't just show
up on the floor and do that.
869
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,040
You've got to practise.
870
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,760
..two, three, four.
Repeat, two, three, four.
871
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,520
One, two, three, four.
Repeat, two, three, four.
872
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,280
Repeat, two, three, four.
873
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,960
When you look at the gross
it took in the film theatres,
874
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,360
it was in the
hundreds of millions of dollars.
875
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,440
And that got the
bandwagon really going.
876
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,600
Everyone said,
"Wow, that's a gold mine there."
877
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,680
Saturday Night Fever
just like metastasized
878
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,080
into this cultural thing.
879
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,160
Disco had become what felt to us
like a global craze.
880
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,080
Disco was on everybody's lips.
881
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,240
Everybody wanted to know
about disco,
882
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,120
and they wanted to be part of it.
883
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,760
Every other artist
wanted to be a disco artist.
884
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,560
Anybody who wanted to revive
their career
885
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,360
or to have a hit - disco.
886
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,720
Rock stars don't have
to be wild about disco
887
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,400
to take advantage of its popularity.
888
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:07,720
Rod Stewart's biggest-selling record
ever is the disco-flavoured
889
00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,280
Da Ya Think I'm Sexy?
890
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,480
# ..need me
891
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:12,200
# Just reach out and touch me
892
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,920
# Come on, sugar, tell me so
Tell me so... #
893
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,240
A lot of other artists,
from Frank Sinatra to Dolly Parton
894
00:52:19,240 --> 00:52:20,400
to the Rolling Stones,
895
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,560
have also swung into the disco beat.
896
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,480
They all dabbled.
897
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,960
But one song here and there
didn't change who they really were.
898
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,200
It was like,
"You have to make this now."
899
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,920
Record companies
dictated what you really did.
900
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,440
I think with any social movements,
901
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,160
you're going to have
two things coexisting.
902
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,680
There was not one or the other.
There were both.
903
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:44,480
Music with integrity was still
being played at the same time
904
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,320
as you had the commercial things
that were being played on the radio.
905
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:52,000
# Sending love vibrations
straight to you
906
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,160
# Sending love vibrations... #
907
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,840
Polydor announced
that they were releasing
908
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,920
a new single called Substitute.
909
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:08,920
All the DJs, we all got
a 12-inch saying Substitute
910
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,400
backed with, on the B-side,
I Will Survive.
911
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,280
I don't even think that most
DJs realised that that song
912
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,640
was on the B-side of Substitute.
913
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,840
Gloria knew that Substitute
914
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,200
was not going to be played
in discos.
915
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,880
It was the B-side
that was important.
916
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,160
So Gloria took the record herself
to the hottest DJ in New York -
917
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,080
Studio 54's Richie Kaczor -
918
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,000
and made sure he played the B-side.
919
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,680
I heard Richie play this
song and, you know,
920
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,000
at first I was afraid
and I was petrified.
921
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,720
# At first I was afraid,
I was petrified
922
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:51,120
# Kept thinking I could never live
without you by my side... #
923
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,280
And every time that song
would come on,
924
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,920
the whole crowd would just go nuts.
925
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,040
# I grew strong
926
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,000
# And I learned how to get along
927
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,000
# And so you're back
from outer space
928
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:05,800
# I just walked in to find you here
929
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,040
# With that look upon your face
930
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,400
# I should have changed
that stupid lock
931
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,680
# I should have made you
leave your key
932
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,440
# If I'd have know
for just one second
933
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,360
# You'd be back to bother me
934
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,560
# Oh, now go... #
935
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,240
Everyone fell in love,
936
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:26,000
because regardless if you were
gay, heterosexual, whatever,
937
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,480
male, female,
938
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,120
that song provided
some...some hope.
939
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,600
# Think I'd lay down and die?
Oh, no, not I... #
940
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:39,200
Gay men, we're told that we don't
belong in the church,
941
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,640
and black women, black divas,
942
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,240
they became our ministers.
943
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:45,400
They became our preachers.
944
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,080
# And I'll survive
945
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,360
# I will survive
946
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,080
# Hey, hey... #
947
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:57,720
It speaks to every living being,
to their soul.
948
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:03,160
It gives them a feeling
of strength in dark times.
949
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,840
How many different countries
has the recording been
950
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,160
as big as it is here?
951
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,760
Well, at least 27.
952
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,920
You know something?
953
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:15,920
I Will Survive, with all the crises
we've had in the past few years,
954
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,840
could be the theme song
for this country.
955
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:27,480
If I had to say what really
defines that era as a song,
956
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,600
I would say I Will Survive.
957
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,920
We sat there one day and I said,
958
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,720
"Gloria, I wish I had done
I Will Survive."
959
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:37,200
She said, "I wish I had done
Young Hearts Run Free."
960
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,480
I said, "No, you don't.
961
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,160
"You're glad
to have I Will Survive."
962
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,120
She said, "I knew you were
going to say that.
963
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,840
I said,
"Yeah, that's a bad song, girl."
964
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,800
I love it.
That's one of my favourites.
965
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,000
# I know I'm still alive
966
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,120
# I've got all my life to live
967
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,200
# I've got all my love to give
968
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,720
# And I'll survive
969
00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:59,480
# I will survive
970
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,680
# I will survive... #
971
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,640
That happened at the exact point
972
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,840
when disco was starting to become
overexposed
973
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,240
as a cultural phenomenon.
974
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:14,520
# I never can say goodbye, boy
975
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,320
# Oh, no, no... #
976
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,800
Since 1975,
when Gloria Gaynor recorded
977
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,440
Never Can Say Goodbye,
978
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,000
the first record specifically
mixed for discotheques,
979
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,560
millions of people
have been dancing to the sound.
980
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,000
The movie Saturday Night Fever
helped boost disco's popularity,
981
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,920
and now radio stations across
the country
982
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,600
have started programming
all-disco formats.
983
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,600
It was wonderful
because it kept me busy.
984
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:42,440
Did a 30-minute show
and got paid big money.
985
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,320
And I could do three in one night.
986
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,200
I would leave there, get in a limo,
go to another club,
987
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:51,240
do another 30 minutes,
get in a limo, go to another club,
988
00:56:51,240 --> 00:56:52,480
do another 30 minutes,
989
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,360
then go home and go to bed
and make myself $30,000.
990
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,240
So it was like a blessing.
991
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,040
I said, "Man, I love this."
992
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Donna Summer, she made a fortune.
993
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,880
I think one year
she made $26 million.
994
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,480
She made a lot of money
from touring, from Vegas,
995
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,440
from publishing of what she wrote.
996
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,960
Everything started changing
so quickly
997
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,600
because obviously people
don't want to miss the chance
998
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,160
to make a buck on, you know,
999
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,960
riding on the coat-tails
of a winning trend.
1000
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,200
If we have what the discos take in
1001
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,600
and what they generate
with the records,
1002
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:41,560
we are talking about an estimated
four billion, that's with a B,
1003
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,400
$4 billion a year.
1004
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,480
When disco really exploded,
1005
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:50,200
it becomes less about
what the movement originally was,
1006
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:55,600
which was people who loved music
getting together
1007
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:00,120
to dance to it and have a sort
of ecstatic experience.
1008
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,080
And then it became a little less
about the music
1009
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:06,160
and more about the money.
1010
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,880
It was too much,
and you knew that eventually
1011
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,320
the bubble was going to burst
on this.
1012
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,880
# So let's dance, let's... #
1013
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,360
Disco, in part, was a victim
of its own success.
1014
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,440
Disco got bloated.
It also got rich.
1015
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,400
# Let's dance... #
1016
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,440
The racism, the homophobia
had been brewing for some time.
1017
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,240
That was personal,
but you can't stop creativity.
1018
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,160
# Let's dance for... #
1019
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:33,560
Yeah, you got rid of the disco.
1020
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:35,560
Now wait till you see
what's coming next.
1021
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:41,080
# ..romance tonight
1022
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,240
# Oh, how I need you
1023
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,080
# Right here beside me
1024
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,480
# To guide me
1025
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,280
# Hold me, scold me
1026
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,440
# Cos when I'm bad I'm so, so bad
1027
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,720
# So let's dance
the last dance... #
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