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'This programme contains some strong
language, and scenes of repetitive
flashing images.' The Pink Floyd...
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# Money
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# Get away... #
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In 2005,
four distinguished rock musicians
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performed together for the first
time in 25 years at Live 8.
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For a precious 20 minutes,
they were all once again
the legendary Pink Floyd,
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a band that has spanned 40 years,
pioneering everything
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from underground rock
to the stadium extravaganza.
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A band that has survived tragedy,
shunned celebrity
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and wrestled publicly with
both its success and its audience.
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There have been five men in
Pink Floyd and three of them have
led the band in different decades.
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That's why the question
still remains, which one's Pink?
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London, 1965.
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British pop music rules the world.
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Clubs are throbbing with
electric guitars, pounding drums
and would-be rock'n'roll stars.
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Three middle-class students, Rick
Wright, Roger Waters and Nick Mason
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were studying architecture
at the Regent Street Polytechnic.
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They formed a band and dreamed
of escaping the profession
they seemed destined to inhabit.
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The group went through
several permutations and names,
including The Tea Set and Sigma 6,
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performing standard cover versions
of American and British
rhythm and blues.
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They were going nowhere.
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A childhood friend of Roger Waters
since their schooldays together
in Cambridge
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drifted down to London
to study painting.
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His name was Syd Barrett.
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He joined Sigma 6, renamed the band
The Pink Floyd Sound,
and promptly became its front man.
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Syd sort of lived like he walked.
He walked with a bounce.
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He came up on his toes
so every step he took was like a pop.
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He had a lot of sort of Tigger
in him.
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He was, as everyone says,
bubbly, very attractive,
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everyone wanted to be his friend.
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Barrett was a highly original
writer and musician.
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His songs had
a quirky, British, pastoral edge
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and his guitar playing led the band
into extended sonic explorations.
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He would do things on the guitar that
no-one would ever dream of doing.
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Which influenced me and made me do
things on the keyboards I wouldn't...
people hadn't done before.
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Technically, no, not so brilliant,
but, for me, the technique
is not important.
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It's the originality,
and he was one of the originals.
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It is a curious thing that people
can go into the music business
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with little technical ability,
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but absolute determination
to show off at all costs.
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If you can actually play,
it's very hard not to copy
other things that you hear...
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...but we couldn't copy anything
because we couldn't, you know.
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Rick was the only one
who went to music school.
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Rick was the one who would
always help out in arrangements.
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He was the one
who used to tune Roger's bass.
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MUSIC: "Interstellar Overdrive"
by Pink Floyd
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Now simply called Pink Floyd, the
band found itself at the epicentre
of London's underground explosion,
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playing a unique mix of original,
melodic pop and freak-out music at
clubs such as UFO and Middle Earth.
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Overnight, they became the house
band of the underground movement,
taking their audiences on a trip.
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One of the things
that sets them apart is,
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so many other bands
are based around blues.
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They had this avant-garde
approach to...
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the long instrumental passages,
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but they always started
from a brilliant pop song by Syd.
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Tinkling and bashing and scraping
and making the instruments make
whatever noises they would.
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After we'd be doing that for, like,
ten minutes, we'd play the riff
twice more and that was the end.
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You still had a tune, a song, and
then you'd have an improvised bit,
then you'd have a tune and a song.
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It was radical. It was very radical.
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MUSIC: "Arnold Layne" by Pink Floyd
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# Arnold Layne had a strange hobby
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# Collecting clothes
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# Moonshine, washing line
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# They suit him fine... #
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Arnold Layne, an everyday tale
of a man stealing women's underwear
from washing lines,
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was the first of Barrett's original
songs to be recorded as a demo.
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Produced by Joe Boyd, it was
touted around several companies
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before The Beatles' label, EMI,
signed the band in February 1967.
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From the start, the Floyd were
determined to do things their way.
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As college boys, they were
already wary of the pop business
and its old-school managers.
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We were always very distrustful
of that whole scene.
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It was very kind of East End,
camel-hair coats, you know.
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"Stick with me, son,
you'll be all right,"
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and we were very wary of all that.
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I think what was so different then
to now is they'd sign almost
anything with long hair.
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If it turned out to be
a golden retriever, so what?
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"We've signed you as a pop band.
Now make albums.
Lots of three-minute singles,"
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and we said, "No way!"
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We're talking about a world where
Sergeant Pepper hadn't been released.
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Almost overnight, it switched from
being hit singles to being albums.
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MUSIC: Being for the Benefit
of Mr Kite by The Beatles
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In early '67, The Beatles
were recording Sergeant Pepper
at London's Abbey Road Studios.
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In February, the Floyd arrived
at the same studios
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to record
their equally momentous first album,
The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn.
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# Alone in the clouds all blue... #
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This was the Summer of Love.
Everything was possible.
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EMI appointed The Beatles' engineer,
Norman Smith,
as the Floyd's producer.
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I know he had a struggle with Syd
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because Syd would come in with
his extraordinary songs and Norman
would say, "That's great,
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"but we've got to put some form
to it. We've got to get it
into time." Syd would say, "Yes, OK,"
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and then go out and play it
a different way.
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The Floyd were determined
to exploit everything Smith
and Abbey Road could offer,
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experimenting with new sounds
and recording techniques.
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We had a tape running around
microphone stands
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all the way around
the control room,
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so we could get a very slow delay.
It ran through three tape recorders.
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One of the advantages of Abbey Road
was that there was a lot of old
sort of stuff lying around.
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They probably had a spinet or
a clavichord or things like that.
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While the Floyd tinkered away
recording Syd's fairy tale songs
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and the studio version of the
sonic improvisations they were
playing in the underground clubs,
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producer Norman Smith struggled to
get another single out of Barrett.
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The band eventually decamped here,
Sound Techniques in west London
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where Joe Boyd had produced
Arnold Layne, to record what would
become their first big hit.
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MUSIC: "See Emily Play" by Pink Floyd
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# Emily tries but misunderstands
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# She's often inclined to borrow
somebody's dreams till tomorrow
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# Till tomorrow, till tomorrow... #
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Barrett invited an old friend
and musician from Cambridge
to come to the recording sessions.
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Guitarist and singer David Gilmour
was shocked by what he found.
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In the flesh, he was
a little bit strange, glazed eyes.
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For me, having not seen him
for a while, it was quite alarming
to see him like that.
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I didn't know how alarming,
or how alarmed I should be,
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or how permanent
that sort of thing was
or whether that was just a moment.
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You don't really think about it.
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Barrett was becoming
increasingly erratic.
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He was taking too many drugs
and didn't like the limelight.
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When his song See Emily Play
climbed into the Top Ten,
the cracks began to appear.
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I think we did a lot more pop shows
and ballrooms,
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and I think that was probably
a bit more difficult for them.
That was probably difficult for Syd.
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Syd didn't want to play.
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I was particularly
feeling quite the same.
I didn't want to really play it.
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I don't think any of the band
wanted to play it. So it pissed
the audiences off a lot.
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We had a few beer bottles and stuff
thrown at us.
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These shows were a million miles
away from Pink Floyd's
underground home base
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where the band, like its audience,
was lost in the light show.
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They were deliberately
devoid of personality.
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They didn't talk much.
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You know, the fact they were covered
with these lights all the time.
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They'd all study their instruments.
Nobody looked out.
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"Are you having a good time? Yeah!
Clap your hands!" All that stuff.
We'd never done that.
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In fact, we did like
to hide behind the lights.
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And it became a kind of,
"Who are these people?"
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My memory of seeing them is walking
round the stage trying to work out
where the noise came from.
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What Rick and Syd played
were very well-blended together.
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When Barrett emerged from
the shadows and into the studio
lights of Top Of The Pops,
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he went into meltdown.
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The second week that we went in,
Syd was very disgruntled
and he started saying,
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"Why should I have to do this?
John Lennon doesn't have to do this."
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I was looking at him, going,
"What the fuck are you talking about?
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"This is it! This is what we've
worked all these years to achieve.
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"This is the sort of pinnacle
of success. And you don't want
to do it? You're mad!"
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Of course, he WAS mad,
but that wasn't the point.
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It was a really clear indication...
I was really shocked.
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Syd was suddenly starting
to get recognised,
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and he would be
a scrumptious pop idol.
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Maybe he thought, "Do I really want
this life? Is this what I want?"
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Maybe that's what was
coming out unconsciously then
in all the wacky behaviour.
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Was all the wacky behaviour
a rejection of becoming a pop star?
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One day we were going off to do
a gig and we went to pick him up
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and he jumped into the car and
he was wearing a frock, you know.
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I said, "What are you doing, Syd?"
He said, "I'm a homosexual,"
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and he went through this whole thing
where he pretended to be gay
for days on end.
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The Floyd was losing
not only its leader,
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but also the writer responsible
for much of its original material
and hit singles.
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So we took a very positive view
and we all went, " Agh!
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"Don't show me!"
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You know, it was denial
at the ultimate level, really.
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I mean, Roger had a theory he was a
schizophrenic. I don't think he was.
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But I'm still convinced
he took a huge overdose of acid
and destroyed his brain cells.
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He went to see Ronnie Lang
and he said, "There's nothing
we can do for him."
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Physically, the brain
has actually been destroyed.
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So, very sad.
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No amount of English reserve
could mask the fact that Barrett
was now an acid casualty,
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virtually unable to perform.
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The other band members
called a crisis meeting
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with managers Peter Jenner,
Andrew King and Bryan Morrison.
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Peter Jenner and Andrew King
were convinced that without Syd,
there was no Pink Floyd.
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"You know, you solve this problem
or you go back to being an architect.
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"If you don't solve this problem,
it's over!"
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Panic! Panic!
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And terrible concern
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because it was also... It was
a mixture of a business panic
because we needed another single -
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"Syd, please,
can you write another single?"
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Syd didn't know what he thought.
"No, Syd's got an idea."
"Really? What is it?"
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"Syd thinks you should hire
two girl saxophone players,"
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and that was it, I think.
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"Oh! Well... No!"
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You know. No.
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Bryan Morrison, who was a barrow boy,
said, "The name's Pink Floyd.
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"As long as we put out the Pink
Floyd, no-one's going to know the
difference. Which one of you is Syd?"
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It was Barratt's old Cambridge
friend, David Gilmour, who was asked
by the band to join Pink Floyd.
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When you're all young, thrusting,
ambitious people in your early 20s,
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you have a brutality
about the things you do
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that...
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you know, your ambition is driving
you forward without much care for
other people's feelings, to be frank.
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And you have plenty of time
to feel guilty later.
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As 1967 gave way to 1968,
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Syd Barrett gave way to David
Gilmour as Pink Floyd passed through
a brief five-member transition.
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I think it was odd for David,
it was odd for Syd, and the rest of
us were a bit embarrassed about it.
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We nearly said something,
that's how bad it was!
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I think it was difficult for David
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because when he came into the band,
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I think his role was to try
and play Syd's guitar parts.
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# Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh,
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# Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
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# Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh
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# Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh... #
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It was his band.
It was him and about him.
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I think I coped with it OK.
There were moments of feeling
lost on stage,
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and not knowing what the hell
was going on around me.
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I did spend some of my time
with my back to the audience...
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sort of sliding mic-stand legs
up the guitar,
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making weird noises,
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feeling rather embarrassed.
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That's not all the time.
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Quite a bit of the time
it really worked and gelled
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and you started thinking, "Yeah, I'm
getting what we're on about here."
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The band was now recording
that difficult second album,
A Saucerful Of Secrets.
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Some of the tracks
were already recorded -
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I think, Set The Controls For
The Heart Of The Sun, which was
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Roger's first real moment of glory,
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was already pretty well done.
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I think there's a guitar
on there that Syd did and
a bit of guitar that I did.
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I think that's the only moment
we share on the track.
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# Little by little the night
turns around... #
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One of the things that worked
quite well was very rhythmic
moments.
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# Counting the leaves which tremble
at dawn
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# Lotuses lean on each other
in yearning... #
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We did break some new ground by
allowing the music to drop down,
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drop away and become this more...
ethereal spacey music.
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It was deep space that now attracted
the Floyd's attention,
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as it did countless millions
of other hopefuls worldwide in 1969.
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'The world's TV audience, 600 million
people this afternoon watched
the Apollo 11 spacecraft
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'launched into a perfect blue sky
above Cape Kennedy in Florida.'
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As the first men walked on the moon,
Pink Floyd played along with
the TV pictures for the BBC.
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We were there in the studio
playing live while people
were walking on the moon.
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I can't quite imagine it today,
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that behind a programme
they'd have a pop group making up
a jam live in the studio
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while that was going on.
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Ha! Those were the days!
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'Aircraft reports a visual
with three chutes... '
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When the Floyd returned to Earth,
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they discovered that producing
singles without Barrett
was Mission Impossible.
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We all tried to write singles.
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Point Me At The Sky was one
notable failure.
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MUSIC: "Point Me At The Sky"
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We couldn't do it.
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Eventually we just gave up
and went, "We can't do that -
what can we do?"
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"We'll do long things, then."
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MUSIC: "Careful With That Axe,
Eugene"
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Careful With That Axe, Eugene
announced a Floyd of extended,
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rock-driven soundscapes and implied
narratives. A kind of space rock
made by an unidentified crew,
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now journeying without a captain.
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We were fantastically insular.
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We didn't really want to be
influenced by other people
and things that were going on.
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We were fiercely independent
of what we were doing.
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We did learn a lot about improvising
and about listening to what
other people were doing,
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and picking up an idea
and developing it.
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This was the age of experimentation
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and difficult music of prepared
pianos and classical pretensions,
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saucepans full of secrets,
all of which the Floyd embraced.
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A lot of the time
it would just be like plonky noises.
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We'd be searching for something and
it didn't work.
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Ultimately, to me personally,
it became rather unsatisfying.
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I think it was Roger who said,
"Let's make an album without
using any of our instruments."
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"Use household objects."
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So we spent days getting a pencil
and a rubber band till it sounded
like a bass.
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We spent weeks doing this.
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Nick would find saucepans and stuff,
then deaden them to make them sound
like a snare drum.
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I remember saying to Roger,
"This is insane."
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MUSIC: "Atom Heart Mother"
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Atom Heart Mother was the Floyd's
most ambitious experiment yet,
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a rock suite incorporating
a brass band and choir.
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MUSIC: "Atom Heart Mother"
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The musicians didn't give a shit.
It was basically a brass band.
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They didn't give a shit. They just
wanted to have their beer and
get pissed. It was very weird.
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Atom Heart Mother was like
a movie soundtrack.
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It was meant to be the soundtrack
to an epic movie that didn't exist.
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It was an interesting exercise but
it doesn't hold an enormous amount
of Pink Floyd development.
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Their fans disagreed.
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The record went to number one
in the album chart in October 1970.
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But as the members sharpened
their song-writing skills,
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strengthened their musical
partnership and focused
their experimental ambitions,
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they hit a creative peak
on their next album, Meddle,
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with a little help
from Seamus the dog.
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MUSIC: "Seamus"
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It took a while before any of us
turned up songs we thought were good.
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I suppose our confidence to move
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slightly away from being quite
so out there, came with time.
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MUSIC: "One Of These Days"
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The Floyd had fathered British
prog rock and unwittingly,
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its self-indulgent excesses.
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But they showed exactly how it
should be done with Echoes -
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a 23-minute track that
made up the entire second side
of the Meddle album.
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# Overhead the albatross
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# Hangs motionless upon the air... #
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The whole band worked on it
together.
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#... the rolling waves
In labyrinths of coral caves... #
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Everyone would be throwing things
in, seeing what worked
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and what didn't.
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# Willowing across the sands
And everything... #
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All encouraging each other,
all getting inspired
by other people's ideas.
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It was a really collective
piece of music.
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I think we found our feet.
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I think we found we can do this
without Syd.
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MUSIC: "Echoes"
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Roger would be driving it more than
anyone else, in its dynamic range.
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All of that work, everything
we did there I look upon as
serving our apprenticeship,
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before we could actually say,
"Right, now we're ready.
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"Put on your apron, we're gonna make
Dark Side Of The Moon."
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We'd learned how to use our chisels.
And we'll do it properly this time.
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MUSIC: "Money"
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In 1973 the Floyd returned
to the moon -
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but this time to its dark side.
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# Money
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# Get away
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# Get a good job with... #
307
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Times had changed. Sixties
optimism had given way
to the troubled Seventies.
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This was a world in eclipse,
materialistic and authoritarian.
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'Anything is possible' had become
'nothing is possible'.
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Roger Waters' lyrics spat back at
a world now peopled by us and them.
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The record sold millions and
gave them their first number one
album in the States.
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They had become conflated, in my mind
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with this thing which I really
thought was the death of music,
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prog rock and stuff like that.
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It was over-considered,
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middle class, intellectual,
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English stuff.
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I didn't have it, uniquely amongst
the planet, I have to say.
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But it's only much later I realised
the scale of their achievement.
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What it is is a great record.
That's what it is.
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It's absolutely one of the
cardinal pillars of rock'n'roll,
in my view, now.
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MUSIC: "Us And Them"
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I certainly knew, as we were
making this album, that something
magical is happening.
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I remember sitting at
the final listening...
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all of us saying, "That is good...
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"That is very good."
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MUSIC: "On The Run"
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One of the elements that made it
so successful was that
the bloody record company
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pulled their finger out
and got on with it.
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That initial surge and that number
one in America was very important.
331
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It was certainly, apart from the
obviously talented drumming on it,
was to do with the record company
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doing their job.
333
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This album just shot up
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and was so enormous, we leapt
into a different stratosphere.
335
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Part of you wants it.
You want that success.
336
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You love it, you know.
337
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You want people to love you
or to pretend they love you.
338
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It's a drug.
339
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Dark Side represents not only
the band's biggest commercial hit,
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but also their most successful
artistic collaboration.
341
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Four men, one band - it would never
be quite the same again.
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Are there some difficult moments?
Yes. How do you get round them?
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We pretend they're not there.
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We certainly don't face up
to them in an adult way,
if that's what you mean.
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We understand each other very well,
we're very tolerant of each other.
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But a lot of things are unsaid
as well.
347
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We're all from the British
aristocracy, with the exception
of David Gilmour.
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And all our mothers are countesses
in England. Dukes and duchesses...
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I mean, obviously they're a gang
of idiots but live and let live.
350
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In America a record executive puffed
on his cigar and asked the group,
351
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"Oh, by the way, which one's Pink?"
352
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Roger had, by this time,
become the lyricist.
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And it really was team work because
David and me would write music,
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Roger would go home and write some
lyrics and come back. That was how
the writing was working then.
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MUSIC: "Brain Damage"
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# The lunatic is on the grass
357
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But this Pink Floyd seemed regretful
and sometimes angry.
358
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This wasn't pop music as we'd known
it but a new and surprisingly
359
00:31:54,226 --> 00:31:57,145
commercial strain of
English melancholy.
360
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If I'm at home
and I go on the piano,
361
00:32:02,102 --> 00:32:04,602
it's all very melancholic,
what I play.
362
00:32:04,637 --> 00:32:08,528
I keep saying to myself
I have to get out of this,
363
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do something more upbeat.
364
00:32:11,469 --> 00:32:14,219
David's melancholic too,
365
00:32:14,254 --> 00:32:16,932
in his guitar playing.
366
00:32:16,967 --> 00:32:22,690
Against Roger's rather flowery
and political and angry lyrics. It's
quite an interesting combination.
367
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People naturally experience unease
368
00:32:27,318 --> 00:32:29,822
about all of this.
369
00:32:29,857 --> 00:32:39,141
I think most human beings experience
and think, "Well, on the surface
all of this seems to be working,
370
00:32:39,176 --> 00:32:42,197
"but it just doesn't sit right
with me."
371
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That's why people attach to it.
372
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They're attached to this work
because there's a sense of relief,
even if it's melancholic,
373
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when you go, "Oh, my God,
somebody else gets it too.
374
00:32:54,452 --> 00:32:56,962
"Somebody else feels
this sense of unease."
375
00:32:56,997 --> 00:33:03,004
It's Roger's phrase "quiet
desperation", isn't that what
he says, "it's the English way"?
376
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:04,783
Something like that.
377
00:33:07,167 --> 00:33:11,227
Dave is quintessentially English.
378
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There's a reserve. And it's hard...
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to break out of it. So he doesn't.
He just plays it.
380
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The daunting task of following
Dark Side Of The Moon
381
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was finally clinched back at
Abbey Road Studios in 1975.
382
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The spectre of Syd Barrett was
celebrated, if not fully laid
to rest, on what would become
383
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their second most successful album,
Wish You Were Here.
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They paid tribute to their
mercurial founder in an
emotionally charged anthem
385
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that would become an essential part
of any Pink Floyd concert.
386
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# Remember when you were young
387
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# You shone like the sun
388
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# Shine on you crazy diamond
389
00:34:34,777 --> 00:34:38,304
# Now there's a look in your eyes
390
00:34:40,267 --> 00:34:43,498
# Like black holes in the sky
391
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# Shine on
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# You crazy diamond
393
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# You were caught in the crossfire
394
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# Of childhood and stardom
395
00:34:59,959 --> 00:35:02,717
# Blown on the steel breeze
396
00:35:04,307 --> 00:35:06,748
# Come on, you target
397
00:35:06,783 --> 00:35:09,139
# For faraway laughter
398
00:35:09,174 --> 00:35:11,809
# Come on, you stranger
399
00:35:11,844 --> 00:35:14,445
# You legend, you martyr
400
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,917
# And shine... #
401
00:35:21,277 --> 00:35:24,242
The way in which Syd left
402
00:35:24,277 --> 00:35:29,098
and their consistent determination
to link themselves to Syd,
403
00:35:29,133 --> 00:35:33,919
to talk about him, to sing about
him, write songs about him
404
00:35:33,954 --> 00:35:36,272
I think it's been good karma
for them.
405
00:35:38,797 --> 00:35:41,152
He's there because we all know that
406
00:35:41,187 --> 00:35:45,783
the band wouldn't have existed
without him kicking it off.
407
00:35:47,097 --> 00:35:51,693
I think we also felt that, having
dropped him out of the band,
408
00:35:51,728 --> 00:35:54,182
perhaps we have a bit of guilt,
409
00:35:54,217 --> 00:35:58,768
of course we should've done
something better for him.
410
00:36:02,997 --> 00:36:06,888
It's funny, when Syd died last year,
I realised that
411
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by and large,
I'd already done all my grieving.
412
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:15,226
I'd done it 20 years before,
I'd been doing it.
413
00:36:17,937 --> 00:36:20,962
The Floyd had always been
a multimedia band
414
00:36:20,997 --> 00:36:25,161
but the innocent DIY days of
the late Sixties were long gone.
415
00:36:25,196 --> 00:36:28,732
The band now commanded huge stadiums
416
00:36:28,767 --> 00:36:35,286
and pioneered a form of rock theatre
that amazed and delighted
their ever-expanding audience.
417
00:36:35,321 --> 00:36:39,646
But they continued to hide behind
the pyrotechnics.
418
00:36:42,777 --> 00:36:45,512
We don't exist, we're just a brand.
Here we are.
419
00:36:45,547 --> 00:36:49,768
Don't put any lights on us, be
distracted by these fucking
flying pigs and aeroplanes.
420
00:36:49,803 --> 00:36:53,465
Just keep away from us,
you're not getting near us.
421
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:57,128
Our cosy rapport with the audience
that were there,
422
00:36:57,163 --> 00:36:59,622
entirely for us, and would be quiet.
423
00:36:59,657 --> 00:37:02,852
In the quiet bits
you could hear a pin drop.
424
00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:08,202
That whole thing where we felt at one
with our audience changed rather.
425
00:37:08,237 --> 00:37:13,061
Rather than focusing on the
individuals, what did they want
to focus on? The music.
426
00:37:13,096 --> 00:37:16,618
But how do you do that to punters
without boring them?
427
00:37:16,653 --> 00:37:20,140
Quite a lot of people were
playing Frisbee at the back
428
00:37:20,175 --> 00:37:23,852
and you've got to try
and get them to join in.
429
00:37:23,887 --> 00:37:30,747
That's the real reason for doing
big things - you want everyone
to enjoy the show.
430
00:37:30,782 --> 00:37:36,460
It's impossible to think or imagine
that in every largish town
431
00:37:36,495 --> 00:37:40,917
there are 50, 000 people
who know and love your music.
432
00:37:40,952 --> 00:37:44,102
It's just not realistic to
believe that.
433
00:37:44,137 --> 00:37:50,667
Dave particularly was very against
doing anything. "Why can't we just
stand on stage and play the songs?"
434
00:37:50,702 --> 00:37:54,923
"It'll be boring."
435
00:37:58,767 --> 00:38:03,784
Waters, the most organised,
motivated and ambitious member
of the group, pushed ahead
436
00:38:03,819 --> 00:38:07,065
planning every higher concepts
and bigger extravaganzas,
437
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:11,471
making pigs fly and Pink Floyd
THE show in town.
438
00:38:14,237 --> 00:38:18,462
But his increasing disgust
with society and authority
439
00:38:18,497 --> 00:38:23,118
now put him and the band in conflict
with the very audiences that flocked
440
00:38:23,153 --> 00:38:27,739
to their stadium shows,
which were becoming an
increasingly empty spectacle.
441
00:38:27,774 --> 00:38:32,952
# Big man, pig man, ha ha... #
442
00:38:32,987 --> 00:38:37,777
You know, that was a lot of show,
that Animals was really a big show.
443
00:38:37,812 --> 00:38:41,073
I became rather disenchanted with it.
444
00:38:41,108 --> 00:38:44,292
And thought that too much was lost.
445
00:38:44,327 --> 00:38:49,208
What was gained from having
a large congregation of people
communing together
446
00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:51,562
which is what a stadium
at its best is,
447
00:38:51,597 --> 00:38:58,059
was being lost in a watering down
of the way the message got across
to the audience.
448
00:38:58,094 --> 00:39:02,244
I thought it was inhuman
and only about money.
449
00:39:02,279 --> 00:39:05,432
# Ha ha, charade you are... #
450
00:39:05,467 --> 00:39:10,732
On the 1977 Animals tour, Waters
himself conceded defeat by stadium,
451
00:39:10,767 --> 00:39:16,490
when he spat, like an older,
angrier Johnny Rotten at
a member of the audience.
452
00:39:16,525 --> 00:39:20,152
# You well-heeled big wheel... #
453
00:39:20,187 --> 00:39:24,792
One of the very irritating things
about being
454
00:39:24,827 --> 00:39:30,697
post-show is, when it's been a bad
one, and someone says,
455
00:39:30,732 --> 00:39:32,522
"That was fucking great."
456
00:39:32,557 --> 00:39:37,494
You resent them. You think,
"What the fuck do you know?
457
00:39:37,529 --> 00:39:39,092
"It was crap."
458
00:39:39,127 --> 00:39:44,342
# We don't need no education... #
459
00:39:44,377 --> 00:39:51,169
Waters' personal response to the
Animals incident and the dead-end
of the stadium experience
460
00:39:51,204 --> 00:39:53,812
was to make physical and mental
barriers,
461
00:39:53,847 --> 00:39:58,113
and his sense of alienation the
subject of the Floyd's next project.
462
00:39:58,148 --> 00:40:02,612
He would rewrite the book
of rock theatre on The Wall.
463
00:40:04,207 --> 00:40:07,017
If you show yourself, it's a risk.
464
00:40:07,052 --> 00:40:09,792
You take the risk of being rejected.
465
00:40:09,827 --> 00:40:13,452
If you have pretensions to being an
artist of any kind,
466
00:40:13,487 --> 00:40:18,743
you have to take the risk of people
rejecting you, thinking
you're an arsehole.
467
00:40:18,778 --> 00:40:24,652
"That's crap." So, you may
think it is, but it's me.
468
00:40:24,687 --> 00:40:30,222
# All in all, you're just
a... nother brick in the wall... #
469
00:40:30,257 --> 00:40:35,712
Waters approached The Wall
as a one-man construction crew.
470
00:40:35,747 --> 00:40:40,252
But his determined vision and
combative leadership marginalised
the other members.
471
00:40:40,287 --> 00:40:46,447
My confidence in my own
lyric writing has not
always been that high.
472
00:40:46,482 --> 00:40:49,907
And Roger showed a very strong
desire to be the lyricist.
473
00:40:49,942 --> 00:40:54,219
We all... lazily allowed that to
happen.
474
00:40:56,327 --> 00:41:00,172
I didn't have any material to offer
and David didn't really, either.
475
00:41:00,207 --> 00:41:05,022
And Roger had begun to think,
"I'm the writer of this band.
476
00:41:05,057 --> 00:41:09,837
"And I don't want anyone else to
write. I'm going to become..."
477
00:41:09,872 --> 00:41:12,232
It was the start of that whole thing.
478
00:41:12,267 --> 00:41:18,740
So, I'm to blame for not having
anything and he's to blame for not
encouraging anything to come.
479
00:41:18,775 --> 00:41:24,277
"Oh, he wouldn't let us write."
What?! That's just so stupid.
480
00:41:24,312 --> 00:41:28,249
I'm desperate for people to write,
always,
481
00:41:28,284 --> 00:41:30,092
always, always, always.
482
00:41:30,127 --> 00:41:33,792
# Is there anybody out there? #
483
00:41:33,827 --> 00:41:37,672
The fact is Roger arrived with
The Wall more or less pre-written.
484
00:41:37,707 --> 00:41:40,966
That was a hell of a different thing
to Dark Side.
485
00:41:42,407 --> 00:41:44,853
# Is there anybody out there? #
486
00:41:49,577 --> 00:41:58,394
Now the indisputable leader
of the band, Waters, frustrated
by a lack of support,
487
00:41:58,429 --> 00:42:00,322
keyboard player, Rick Wright.
488
00:42:00,357 --> 00:42:03,975
Our personal relationship broke down
completely by The Wall.
489
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:06,092
That's when I left.
490
00:42:06,127 --> 00:42:10,302
But, the interesting thing is, when
I was asked to leave, I said,
491
00:42:10,337 --> 00:42:14,622
"I will but I want to finish this
and I want to play live,
492
00:42:14,657 --> 00:42:18,605
"play the performances." And Roger
was totally happy for me to play.
493
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,646
I think the personality clash
had a lot to do with it.
494
00:42:21,681 --> 00:42:28,247
And his... his belief that he was
the band...
495
00:42:32,417 --> 00:42:37,719
And that the other musicians... The
story goes that Nick was the next
one to be thrown out by him.
496
00:42:39,127 --> 00:42:44,190
We'd reached the point where
Roger questioned why he was working
with these other people,
497
00:42:44,225 --> 00:42:48,498
who he felt were not really helping
him do what he wanted to do.
498
00:42:48,533 --> 00:42:52,771
In fact they were criticising him,
"That's not quite right, Roger."
499
00:43:01,157 --> 00:43:03,227
Regime change was in the air.
500
00:43:06,497 --> 00:43:10,438
My musical taste and abilities
501
00:43:10,473 --> 00:43:13,761
had just as much, if not more,
502
00:43:13,796 --> 00:43:17,012
to do with it all than Roger's.
503
00:43:17,047 --> 00:43:25,022
And if I allowed this dictatorship
to become real and total,
504
00:43:25,057 --> 00:43:28,492
then our music would suffer.
505
00:43:28,527 --> 00:43:32,636
Because I didn't think, still don't,
506
00:43:32,671 --> 00:43:36,745
that is really Roger's main forte.
507
00:43:38,237 --> 00:43:43,043
When I was that very young guy in
that band all those years ago
508
00:43:43,078 --> 00:43:47,812
I would stand in the corner, smoke
cigarettes endlessly and snarl.
509
00:43:47,847 --> 00:43:53,240
I'm not as reactionary in
the literal sense, as I was
when I was as a young man.
510
00:43:53,275 --> 00:43:58,630
I don't immediately feel
I've got to, you know,
511
00:43:58,665 --> 00:44:01,721
hurt you before you hurt me.
512
00:44:07,667 --> 00:44:11,331
The band made one more record
together, The Final Cut.
513
00:44:11,366 --> 00:44:14,952
But in most respects
it was a solo album from Waters.
514
00:44:14,987 --> 00:44:20,527
Soon after, he informed their record
company that he was leaving,
515
00:44:20,562 --> 00:44:23,748
and declared that Pink Floyd
was no more.
516
00:44:23,783 --> 00:44:27,193
# Or make 'em me
517
00:44:27,228 --> 00:44:30,562
# Or make 'em you
518
00:44:30,597 --> 00:44:35,902
# Make 'em do
what you want them to... #
519
00:44:35,937 --> 00:44:40,249
This was something David Gilmour
in particular refused to accept.
520
00:44:47,417 --> 00:44:51,922
I think he was very surprised
when David and Nick said "OK,
521
00:44:51,957 --> 00:44:56,417
"you can leave the band, fine."
He didn't expect them to say,
522
00:44:56,452 --> 00:45:00,877
"Now we'll make a Pink Floyd album,
go on tour without you."
523
00:45:05,237 --> 00:45:10,061
It seemed important to me to just
get on and do the best you can do.
524
00:45:10,096 --> 00:45:12,562
And... you know,
525
00:45:12,597 --> 00:45:15,092
Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd had been
one Pink Floyd.
526
00:45:15,127 --> 00:45:22,636
The Pink Floyd with the four
of us, Roger, Rick, Nick and I,
had been another one.
527
00:45:22,671 --> 00:45:25,812
And this would be another version.
528
00:45:27,637 --> 00:45:29,292
That, I think, shocked him a bit.
529
00:45:29,327 --> 00:45:31,732
Well, not shocked him...
and made him angry.
530
00:45:31,767 --> 00:45:35,055
Well, we know it made him angry
because he tried to stop it.
531
00:45:36,457 --> 00:45:42,882
The argument was me, rather
pompously, and I admit now,
erroneously,
532
00:45:42,917 --> 00:45:52,497
suggesting that because I wasn't
in the band any more that the brand
and band name should be retired.
533
00:45:53,937 --> 00:45:57,134
So, it wasn't up to me.
534
00:45:58,347 --> 00:46:05,196
Well, it's a battle about using a
name. It's a name that all of us had
spent our adult lives working on,
535
00:46:05,231 --> 00:46:11,057
as anonymous as we all have been
throughout that Pink Floyd history.
536
00:46:11,092 --> 00:46:13,883
I mean, after all, who's Nick Mason?
537
00:46:13,918 --> 00:46:16,674
He's the drummer with Pink Floyd.
538
00:46:16,709 --> 00:46:18,982
Um...
539
00:46:19,017 --> 00:46:21,042
Who's Rick? He's the keyboard
player.
540
00:46:21,077 --> 00:46:25,673
Who's Roger? Oh, he's the guy
who was in the Pink Floyd.
541
00:46:25,708 --> 00:46:27,842
You know...
542
00:46:27,877 --> 00:46:30,852
That's who they are.
543
00:46:30,887 --> 00:46:33,792
MUSIC: "Learning To Fly"
544
00:46:33,827 --> 00:46:38,855
Spurred into action, Gilmour wrote
and recorded a new Floyd album,
545
00:46:38,890 --> 00:46:42,768
A Momentary Lapse Of Reason,
with new collaborators.
546
00:46:42,803 --> 00:46:46,602
Released in 1987, it went on
to sell 9 million copies.
547
00:46:46,637 --> 00:46:53,884
And encouraged Gilmour to tour
the Floyd with Rick Wright and
Nick Mason fully reinstated.
548
00:46:53,919 --> 00:46:59,232
# Into the distance
A ribbon of black
549
00:46:59,267 --> 00:47:03,328
# Stretched to the point
of no turning back
550
00:47:04,607 --> 00:47:07,702
# A flight of fancy... #
551
00:47:07,737 --> 00:47:11,255
When the band played live in Venice
in July 1989,
552
00:47:11,290 --> 00:47:14,732
the televised event was watched
around the globe.
553
00:47:14,767 --> 00:47:18,806
Pink Floyd were back, bigger than
ever and with a new leader.
554
00:47:18,841 --> 00:47:21,430
# Holding me fast
555
00:47:21,465 --> 00:47:23,982
# How can I escape
556
00:47:24,017 --> 00:47:28,092
# This irresistible grasp?
557
00:47:28,127 --> 00:47:32,200
# Can't keep my eyes from
the circling sky
558
00:47:32,235 --> 00:47:35,592
# Tongue-tied and twisted
559
00:47:35,627 --> 00:47:39,302
# Just an earthbound misfit, I...
560
00:47:50,577 --> 00:47:54,122
# Ice is forming on the tips... #
561
00:47:54,157 --> 00:47:57,786
Pink Floyd toured the world,
as did a solo Roger Waters.
562
00:47:57,821 --> 00:48:01,416
He performed his version of The Wall
in Berlin in 1990.
563
00:48:05,947 --> 00:48:11,396
Both played the band's most popular
numbers while lawsuits and bad blood
flowed between them.
564
00:48:13,917 --> 00:48:20,857
I remember one night playing in
Cincinnati to about 2, 000 people
in a 6, 000-seat arena.
565
00:48:20,892 --> 00:48:24,657
And they were playing to 60, 000
people in a football stadium next
door.
566
00:48:24,692 --> 00:48:27,888
Playing all my songs!
567
00:48:27,923 --> 00:48:29,718
You know, but...
568
00:48:32,857 --> 00:48:36,384
Erm... it was hard to take.
569
00:48:39,747 --> 00:48:46,175
The Momentary Lapse Of Reason tour
restored the confidence of both
Rick Wright and Nick Mason.
570
00:48:46,210 --> 00:48:50,058
Under Gilmour's leadership the band
now worked together again as a team.
571
00:48:50,093 --> 00:48:52,878
For what would be the last
original Pink Floyd album.
572
00:48:52,913 --> 00:48:56,592
The Division Bell began life here
in 1993
573
00:48:56,627 --> 00:49:01,553
in Gilmour's floating studio,
moored at Hampton Court.
574
00:49:10,307 --> 00:49:16,780
We decided to start this one, we'd
all go and jam, for a week or so.
575
00:49:16,815 --> 00:49:21,840
Just start playing together and
out of that came Division Bell.
576
00:49:21,875 --> 00:49:26,774
So, it was a true Floyd
writing partnership again.
577
00:49:28,737 --> 00:49:33,379
Well, that sounds to me like
something that needs development
but it could almost be...
578
00:49:33,414 --> 00:49:35,254
I have nothing to say.
579
00:49:39,277 --> 00:49:44,112
It was a happier Pink Floyd
that continued recording
The Division Bell throughout 1993.
580
00:49:44,147 --> 00:49:49,409
Happy together, but nonetheless
compelled to gaze once again
back into their past,
581
00:49:49,444 --> 00:49:52,035
with the closing track High Hopes.
582
00:49:54,087 --> 00:49:57,557
# The grass was greener
583
00:50:01,077 --> 00:50:04,035
# The light was brighter
584
00:50:07,917 --> 00:50:10,226
# The days were sweeter
585
00:50:13,497 --> 00:50:15,840
# The nights of wonder
586
00:50:20,107 --> 00:50:23,725
# With friends surrounded... #
587
00:50:26,107 --> 00:50:29,998
When you hink about how many
different versions,
588
00:50:30,033 --> 00:50:33,387
different
lead songwriters they've had.
589
00:50:33,422 --> 00:50:36,992
And yet...
590
00:50:37,027 --> 00:50:41,732
there's something that links it all.
591
00:50:41,767 --> 00:50:46,887
Certainly they managed to make the
changes evolutionary, gradual...
592
00:50:46,922 --> 00:50:52,782
and always maintaining
a certain kind of sound.
593
00:51:02,057 --> 00:51:05,352
More than a decade after
The Division Bell was released,
594
00:51:05,387 --> 00:51:09,538
the Pink Floyd lawsuits had subsided
and the band had been put on ice,
595
00:51:09,573 --> 00:51:13,689
Bob Geldof wanted the four surviving
members of the group to reunite
596
00:51:13,724 --> 00:51:16,167
as the climax of his Live 8 event.
597
00:51:17,667 --> 00:51:20,534
A task akin to making poverty
history.
598
00:51:23,907 --> 00:51:27,331
He opened negotiations
with David Gilmour.
599
00:51:29,197 --> 00:51:33,566
I really don't do the hard sell cos
I don't want to do it to him.
600
00:51:35,717 --> 00:51:39,762
He's desperate not to do this. I can
see it, he's not gonna do it.
601
00:51:39,797 --> 00:51:49,547
And I just have to say, one, no-one
in Pink Floyd's world feels that you
guys ever said goodbye properly.
602
00:51:49,582 --> 00:51:51,522
And that's true.
603
00:51:51,557 --> 00:51:54,526
Two, it's 20 minutes.
604
00:51:54,561 --> 00:51:57,342
It's 20 minutes.
605
00:51:57,377 --> 00:52:00,382
"Ah, we're going on tour..."
Spare me.
606
00:52:00,417 --> 00:52:06,561
Don't tell me that the Pink Floyd
getting back together again
will not seize
607
00:52:06,596 --> 00:52:11,494
the entire... That's the thing that
makes this totally different.
608
00:52:13,917 --> 00:52:15,992
Gilmour said no.
609
00:52:16,027 --> 00:52:20,771
So, Geldof contacted Waters
who called Gilmour,
610
00:52:20,806 --> 00:52:23,212
who called Geldof and so on.
611
00:52:23,247 --> 00:52:26,452
Eventually the four men
buried the axe
612
00:52:26,487 --> 00:52:31,368
and agreed to play together
just one more time as Pink Floyd.
613
00:52:35,107 --> 00:52:40,081
We had a meeting with Roger
and he wanted to do other songs.
614
00:52:40,116 --> 00:52:45,012
Basically David said, "Look,
they've asked Pink Floyd to play.
615
00:52:45,047 --> 00:52:50,496
"We're Pink Floyd so we're gonna do
these songs, and if you'd like to
play with us, that'd be great."
616
00:52:50,531 --> 00:52:52,924
So he was very humble, actually.
617
00:52:52,959 --> 00:52:55,317
He knew that, he realised that.
618
00:52:55,352 --> 00:52:57,152
But he loved it.
619
00:52:57,187 --> 00:53:01,792
# I cannot put my finger on it now
620
00:53:01,827 --> 00:53:08,022
# The child is grown
The dream is gone... #
621
00:53:08,057 --> 00:53:12,050
To me, it was also very good to get
back onto speaking terms,
622
00:53:12,085 --> 00:53:15,699
after all the bickering
with Roger over the years,
623
00:53:15,734 --> 00:53:20,302
and us to maybe grow up
a little bit...
624
00:53:20,337 --> 00:53:28,176
Become adult human beings in some
sort of reasonable relationship...
625
00:53:28,211 --> 00:53:30,283
For that moment.
626
00:53:37,307 --> 00:53:38,822
Mummy! Um...
627
00:53:38,857 --> 00:53:42,432
It was, er... it was terrific.
628
00:53:42,467 --> 00:53:48,565
From the playing point of view,
it was really easy and really nice,
629
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,152
and fun to play together.
630
00:53:51,187 --> 00:53:56,204
For me playing with Roger... the
relationship between the bass player
and the drummer is special,
631
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:02,670
you just intuitively know which
mistakes we're gonna make next.
632
00:54:06,047 --> 00:54:10,551
Great to have Roger standing
next to me... playing the bass.
633
00:54:10,586 --> 00:54:15,055
It did bring back memories,
and a little bit of emotion.
634
00:54:19,077 --> 00:54:23,492
I think it's great that happened.
I really think it was great.
635
00:54:23,527 --> 00:54:28,322
If that's the only time we get to
draw a line under it, well, so be it.
636
00:54:28,357 --> 00:54:33,385
I'd like to do more of it.
I thought it was really cool. It
was very interesting, musically
637
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:35,914
and emotionally and philosophically.
638
00:54:41,997 --> 00:54:48,197
This vast, numberless constituency
gathered about because
these four men said,
639
00:54:48,232 --> 00:54:52,590
"Enough's enough, this single thing
is important enough to put aside
640
00:54:52,625 --> 00:54:56,808
"these pathetic misgivings
of the past."
641
00:55:08,337 --> 00:55:11,909
There was nothing more potent or
symbolic on that night than
642
00:55:11,944 --> 00:55:15,934
these four old geezers
643
00:55:15,969 --> 00:55:19,882
playing... so beautifully,
644
00:55:19,917 --> 00:55:23,249
laying their own ghosts to rest,
645
00:55:23,284 --> 00:55:26,542
and the thing is, it worked.
646
00:55:26,577 --> 00:55:28,742
There are 20 million children
in school,
647
00:55:28,777 --> 00:55:34,226
now - cos of what went on
all during that week.
648
00:55:34,261 --> 00:55:38,551
And emblematic of that week,
649
00:55:38,586 --> 00:55:42,802
was this signature group
650
00:55:42,837 --> 00:55:46,227
and this great moment
in their lives.
651
00:55:46,262 --> 00:55:48,947
I think.
652
00:55:51,887 --> 00:55:54,799
The body language was funny...
653
00:55:57,987 --> 00:56:01,042
Roger seemed, "Yeah, I'm back!"
654
00:56:01,077 --> 00:56:04,171
Sort of very pleased.
And the others were kind of...
655
00:56:04,206 --> 00:56:07,364
like that a bit.
656
00:56:24,277 --> 00:56:27,804
We were a family, you know,
and we went through a divorce.
657
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:31,688
A marriage and we went through a
divorce. And erm...
658
00:56:33,837 --> 00:56:36,658
I don't know who divorced who,
but anyway...
659
00:56:36,693 --> 00:56:40,081
It didn't feel like a family.
660
00:56:43,917 --> 00:56:47,957
There are connections I feel
with my mother and my brother
661
00:56:47,992 --> 00:56:51,952
that I don't feel for anybody
that I was in Pink Floyd with.
662
00:56:51,987 --> 00:56:56,777
It's very like a family. You get
sick of each other, the way you do
in families.
663
00:56:56,812 --> 00:56:58,932
And you get this wonderful honesty...
664
00:56:58,967 --> 00:57:06,476
you know, shouting at people,
telling them how useless they are
and what they've done wrong.
665
00:57:06,511 --> 00:57:10,042
It's a bit like the Munsters,
if you know what I mean.
666
00:57:10,077 --> 00:57:14,352
Well, there it is. You can pass
your verdict as well as I can.
667
00:57:14,387 --> 00:57:20,667
My verdict is that it is a regression
to childhood but after all, why not?
668
00:57:20,702 --> 00:57:23,670
MUSIC: "Eclipse"
669
00:58:05,107 --> 00:58:08,065
I would love to go out and play
Floyd music again.
670
00:58:10,077 --> 00:58:15,140
Stubborn isn't the word, talking
about leading a horse to water
but you can't make it drink.
671
00:58:15,175 --> 00:58:17,632
Well, these horses can't even be led
to the water.
672
00:58:17,667 --> 00:58:22,275
I don't think it will happen but
I think... Well, you can ask Dave
when you speak to him.
673
00:58:22,310 --> 00:58:25,077
I think it happens.
674
00:58:26,057 --> 00:58:28,732
# And all that is gone
675
00:58:28,767 --> 00:58:31,372
# And all that's to come
676
00:58:31,407 --> 00:58:37,951
# And everything under the sun
is in tune
677
00:58:37,986 --> 00:58:44,495
# And the sun is eclipsed
by the moon. #
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