All language subtitles for Signs.of.a.Psychopath.S10E09.1080p.WEB.h264-FREQUENCY_track3_[eng]

[reporter] A Bradenton mother
and her infant son

were found dead at a house fire,

but, according to investigators,

the two did not die
in that fire --

they were killed.

[reporter #2]
A firefighter heading into work
spotted the fire

and found
18-year-old Diamond Shelman

as well as the baby inside.

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[voice breaking]
She was so sweet.

I don't see how... [sobs]

...God could let something
like this happen to her.

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and stops abruptly]

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[typewriter clicking]

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I would kill again.

They're dead, I'm alive.

I don't think it was wrong.

The thing inside of me,
it's like...

the appetite,
it's like a wolf that's...

feeling...
the hunger.

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[Dr. Johnston] I think
Larry Williams is somebody

who thinks he's
the smartest person in the room.

I think he thinks of himself
as being pretty smooth.

He's got two, um, women

who have children close
to the same age by him.

He's living with one girlfriend.

We know that Larry Williams
has had a criminal record.

He was accused of initiating
sexual contact with individuals

who were under the age of 12.

So it really is remarkable
how calm he is

and how there's such a lack
of anxiety when he's in the room

with these two
seasoned detectives.

His lack of anxiety, I think,
is partly his confidence

that he can handle
whatever is coming up.

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[Dr. Sahni]
At this point, the detectives

are giving William
some indication

that they know
he's not being truthful.

Like many psychopathic
individuals,

there's an active
sort of exchange

that goes on
with law enforcement

where they're always engaging
in this impression management,

trying to advance their
own narrative

for detectives.

Williams is already out
of the gate trying to control

the narrative
of what's happened.

He's trying to preemptively
direct detectives to look here

and not look there.

Look at this other person
she was just starting to date.

Maybe that's the person
who hurt her.

That's the last person
who was with her.

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[Dr. Vienna]
He says, "I did love her."

He sort of slips up and puts
that in the past tense.

And then,
when he catches himself,

he brings it back
to the current tense.

And that all there just
highlights

his unsophisticated approach
to this interview.

He's not really thinking
ten steps ahead.

He's just trying
to get by and be cool,

calm, and collected.

But he's really just
this unsophisticated individual.

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[Dr. Sahni]
The thing that's interesting

about Williams
is that he never shows

any outward signs of stress.

Many people in this situation
would suddenly become aware

that they're under suspicion
for some serious crime.

They've brought a dog in
who picks up on accelerants,

and the dog hits on Williams,
not once, but twice.

But Williams
doesn't miss a beat.

He doesn't seem surprised.

He just quickly
explains it away.

He stays in control
of the situation.

He just gives them
an explanation and moves on.

Williams is someone
who's pretty comfortable lying.

He's comfortable not telling
the truth,

and he's not concerned
about being found out.

He just has what seem to him
to be reasonable explanations

for everything
that's about to unfold.

Now he's ratcheted up his story,

and he's wanting
the detectives to believe

that there's a demon
that's inside of him.

"I see things, I hear things
other people don't.

It doesn't normally cause me
stress, I just ignore it."

And yet, on that day,

it was someone that was trying
to hold him down

and scare him, and control him.

It was trying to get inside him,

and it may have been responsible

for whatever bloody, awful,
violent stuff happened

in that apartment.
It just doesn't add up.

Williams is a seasoned criminal,

but he's not a seasoned
mental health patient.

He doesn't yet understand
the inconsistencies

in the story he's offering
and why it's implausible.

And the detectives
capitalize on that.

They join him
in his delusional statements,

and they join him
in this explanations,

and they want him
to now tell them,

what is it that the demon did?

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Williams is losing control
of the situation.

He's losing control
of the narrative

and of the interview.

And while, at this point,
most psychopathic individuals

want to maintain control,
what we see is Williams

is just --
this fishtail is growing.

Now we have not one demon,
but we have two demons,

and they're battling it out
for what the role is

that they're each gonna have
in this crime,

and it's becoming
more and more implausible.

His narcissism is starting
to get the best of him.

Because the detectives
are joining him in this story,

and they're showing him
what he believes is empathy

and kindness and understanding

that he has
these mental health issues,

he just gets overconfident
and starts spinning this story

that now spins out of control.

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No, I'm not buying
his emotions here.

I mean,
this is somebody who knows

what has happened to his son.

And I think the fact that he
puts his head in his hand

and kind of looks down is
something I see so often

when people -- they don't have
the genuine emotions,

but they -- they know
that they're expected.

When we look at psychopathy --

I think that most psychopaths
do have emotions,

but they're always
related to themselves --

they feel pleasure,

they feel anger,
they feel frustration,

It's all about them.

Where, when you're talking
about emotions

toward other people,

like empathy, like guilt,
like remorse...

they're absent.

And so he's got to figure out
how he should be acting,

and then try to do that.

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[Dr. Vienna] Williams goes
into now yet another variable

of his story
in that he was going to die.

Him and Diamond were going to,
you know, kill themselves

and he was supposed to die,
but for some reason he lived.

It's just getting ridiculous.

I think he might even
be telling these wild stories

to see if he can confuse police.

[Dr. Sahni] "Malingering"
is oftentimes a term

that we as forensic
experts talk about

when somebody is lying

or fabricating information
or feigning symptoms

to try and present their reality

as something different
than it is.

While malingering
is not an actual diagnosis,

you're always assessing

for whether there is
a motive to fabricate.

And in the case of Williams,
the motivation is very obvious.

He doesn't want to go to prison
for killing two people.

He doesn't want to be seen
as somebody who left his son

in a home that was on fire
to basically burn in the fire

and suffocate
from smoke inhalation.

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[ominous music playing]

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She's providing some more
of the backstory here,

the true backstory --
he was jealous,

he wanted control over her.

For psychopaths like Williams,

for their significant other
or former significant other,

moving on to someone else

is sort of like a wound
to their ego,

and it also is a sense
of a loss of control

and power over that person.

They can't use them and get
what they want out of them

because somebody else has them.

That provides a realistic
picture of why Williams

might have murdered Diamond.

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When we talk about psychopaths
and their children,

you know, there's
a lot of research to suggest

that the attachment,

if there is one,
and sometimes there's not,

is very shallow.

This is a person or a child
who's expendable

if it comes
to protecting myself.

So it's this lack
of genuine attachment.

But when push comes to shove,

Williams will do anything
to protect himself,

including murdering his son.

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[Dr. Vienna] The pattern
that you see with Larry Williams

is one of self-preservation.
It's all about him.

He's very, very selfish.

We know that he has several
psychopathic tendencies

and traits,
such as being manipulative,

deceitful, pathological lying,

callousness,
even superficial charm.

These traits combined
with his narcissistic tendencies

is what drives his violence.

All of that speaks to

someone that has this deeply
ingrained dysfunctional pattern

of behavioral and cognitive
and personality traits,

which is essentially
a psychopath.

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