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- Pretty close. It's good.
- Not too bad.
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It's gonna be about two minutes,
so come on.
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Do what you got to do.
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We got to go.
I need a wrist band.
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It's something that you can't do
forever, you know?
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This is not a lifetime career
that we can do, you know.
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- So...
- It's not?
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All right, let's go.
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Thank you, and good evening.
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We're the Eagles from Los Angeles.
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One, two, three, four.
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People are always
saying things to me like,
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"You're just like a normal person."
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And I always say, "Of course."
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All right!
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We might be a little more
world-wise, you know,
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than some of those kids, that's all.
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We just maybe have
less innocence than they do,
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but, I mean, I eat, I sleep,
I fall in love,
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I fall out of love, I work.
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You know, I do pretty much
the same thing.
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We saw a poster of us
when "On the Border" was made.
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Everybody looked like
little kids, you know,
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like, early 20s and stuff.
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And everybody didn't have
their wrinkles and their baggy eyes.
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Sort of like a president
when he first takes office.
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And then,
like four or five years later,
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you know, he just walks out,
and his hair is gray,
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and his eyes are drooping,
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and he's just really,
you know, real burned.
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The first thing that happens
is you get some kind of label,
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and then you got to live up to it,
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and then you just
get caught in that,
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and I forget
what the second thing is.
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It's hard.
It's like living two lives.
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You know, I have a family,
three kids.
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And it's just hard
to live in between that line,
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you know, of being out on the road
and being away for a month.
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Maybe we wouldn't want
to do this anymore,
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or maybe we can't do this anymore,
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or maybe nobody will give a shit
if we do this anymore.
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Thank you.
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No, I insist. You first.
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Hi, there.
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Lock it up.
A hearty bunch out there.
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Oh, he's not even here.
Now...
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Hey, driver, lock 'em up
for us tonight, okay?
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Out of sight.
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You just don't know
what those kids will do.
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Doggone.
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How about a beer?
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- Is that what I heard?
- You got it, brother.
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Don't hurt yourself, young America.
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Would you like one?
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Yeah, I would like one.
I'm gonna drink tonight.
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I think they feel like
they're up there, you know,
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like they're on the stage.
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'Cause we look like them.
We dress like them.
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Part of it is that,
and part of it's the records.
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I think they just relate to the songs.
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I think it's 50/50, I guess.
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The thing is now is to try to see
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how long we can stay up here
at the top of the mountain.
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It's very narrow and windy up here.
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We can probably continue
doing what we're doing
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as long as the songs keep coming.
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That's the only thing
that frightens us
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is to not be able
to do that anymore.
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If nothing comes up,
we would be in trouble.
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So far, so good.
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I think we can maintain this
for a few more years.
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I don't see why not.
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Other people have...
the Rolling Stones
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and the Who and the Led...
and Led Zeppelin...
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I almost said the Led Zeppelin...
have done it.
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Chicago's done it.
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Groups last longer
than they used to, you know.
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Shit don't float.
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90% of the time, being in the Eagles
was a fucking blast.
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You know, I was living the dream.
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We never in our wildest dreams
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figured on being this successful
and lasting this long.
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We were a bunch of guys out there
touring the country.
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We had a little private plane.
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We had parties after the shows.
We had a good time.
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We were starting to make
some money.
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We had three guitar players finally,
you know, so we could rock a bit.
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So, it was a good time,
a good time for me,
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a good time for Don.
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Everybody was really happy...
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...then.
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It was going really fast,
and probably too fast.
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There was turmoil within the band.
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We put a lot of pressure
on ourselves.
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As Glenn used to say,
"We made it, and it ate us."
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It's hard to be in a group.
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It's a bit like being in a marriage,
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if you quadruple it
or quintuple it, in our case.
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They asked Don
when the Eagles broke up,
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"What was that like for you?"
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And he said
it was a horrible relief.
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And I think
that clocks it pretty well.
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You're a real pro, Don, all the way.
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Yeah, you are, too...
the way you handle people.
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Except the people you pay,
nobody gives a shit about it.
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Fuck you. I've been paying you
for seven years, you fuckhead.
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So much stuff just happened.
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You know,
there's a philosopher who says,
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As you live your life...
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...it appears to be
anarchy and chaos
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and random events,
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non-related events
smashing into each other
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and causing this situation,"
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and then... then this happens,
and it's overwhelming,
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and it just looks like,
"What in the world is going on?"
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And later, when you look back at it,
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it looks like
a finely-crafted novel,
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but at the time, it don't.
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And a lot of the Eagles' story
is like that.
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I'm gonna fuckin' kill you.
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I can't wait. I can't wait.
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We might as well start
at the beginning.
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I grew up in Detroit, Michigan.
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My dad worked in a factory.
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My mother baked pies
at General Motors.
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I started taking piano lessons
when I was five years old.
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That alone could get you beat up
after school in suburban Detroit.
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Detroit was Motown, and so
they played all the Motown hits.
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And that was the kind of stuff
that we would listen to.
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I stopped playing piano
when I was 12.
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It was too much.
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I wanted to do other things,
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and I think the girl thing
was starting to happen, as well.
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Then the Beatles came along,
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and my Aunt took me down to see
the Beatles at the Olympia.
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It was crazy.
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I remember having a girl
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that was standing on her seat
in front of me
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fall backwards into my arms,
delirious, going, "Paul, Paul."
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You know, and I thought,
"Oh, my God."
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I have a very vivid memory
of seeing the Beatles
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with my parents
on our old Admiral TV set.
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It was like a bolt of lightning.
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It had a huge impact on me.
It was revolutionary.
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And it was an impact
that would last a lifetime,
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and I know that had
a huge impact on Glenn, too,
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even though we didn't know
each other at the time.
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Linden, Texas, is my hometown.
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It's a small town
in Northeastern Texas.
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When I was growing up,
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the population
was about 2,500, 2,600.
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It's primarily an agricultural area.
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Some people worked
at the steel mill.
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It's just a typical
small Texas town.
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There's an old courthouse
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dating back to before the Civil War
and one stoplight.
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It's kind of like "The Last
Picture Show," you know?
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It was a great place musically
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because it was kind of
a cultural crossroads.
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It's really located
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where the old South
begins to meet the West.
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Linden, Texas, was the birthplace
of Scott Joplin
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and T-Bone Walker.
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Both my parents loved music,
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so we had a lot of records
in the house.
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I was exposed to music
of all kinds from an early age...
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you know,
country-and-western music,
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Western swing music,
gospel music, blues,
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Johnny Cash, Hank Williams,
and Patsy Cline.
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There was a 50,000-watt
radio station in New Orleans,
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and I heard things on that station
that I didn't hear anywhere else.
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So, I had a lot of radio coming in.
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And when I would go to work
with my dad,
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he would listen to a station
in Shreveport, Louisiana... KWKH.
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And that station
broadcast a radio show
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called the "Louisiana Hayride,"
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where Elvis Presley made
his first radio broadcast in 1954.
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The very first rock-'n'-roll record
I bought was by Elvis Presley.
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My playing the drums was
sort of an organic process.
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I began by beating
on my school books
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with my fingers and with pencils.
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I would beat out little cadences,
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and I used to drive
my classmates crazy doing that,
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until, I think, one day,
somebody said to me...
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I think it was my friend
Richard Bowden...
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he said, "Why don't you just
start playing the drums?"
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I managed to cobble together
a drum kit from old drums
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that I found stashed in the back
of the band hall in high school.
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And then one day, my mom said,
"Come on, get in the car."
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And she drove me to a town
about an hour and a half away
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called Sulphur Springs, Texas,
to McKay Music Company.
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Much to my surprise,
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she bought me a set
of red-sparkle Slingerland drums
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that I still have today.
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So, I have to give my parents
a lot of credit.
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They bought me that drum kit
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even though
they couldn't really afford it.
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The first band I was in
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was a band with my high-school
buddy Richard Bowden
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and another high-school friend,
Jerry Surratt,
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and we played Dixieland jazz music.
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Nobody sang.
We just played music.
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I went to a high-school party,
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and there were four kids
who were freshmen in high school
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who were playing.
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I was a junior, and I had
a couple beers that night
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and said, "Hey, you know,
do you know 'Satisfaction'?
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'Cause I can sing it."
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So, I became the lead singer
of the Subterraneans.
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I played in the Subterraneans
for a while,
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and then I played in another band
called the Mushrooms.
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The most important thing
that happened to me
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when I was in Detroit
was I met Bob Seger.
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He took me under his wing.
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He invited me to recording sessions
that he was having, you know,
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so I could see
how records were made.
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I was his mentor.
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He was just so young,
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and I liked him right away
because he was so funny.
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He had a great sense of humor,
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and, like me, I could see
he was really ambitious.
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He really wanted to be on the radio.
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He cut a song
called "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man."
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He let me play acoustic guitar
on the basic track
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and sing background vocals.
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You can really hear Glenn
blurt out on the first chorus.
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He comes out really loud.
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Tremendous gusto.
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Of course, that was
a national hit for us,
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so that was really cool.
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Bob was the first guy
that wrote his own songs
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and recorded them
that I had ever met.
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He said, "You know,
if you want to make it,
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you're gonna have to
write your own songs."
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And I said,
"Well, what if they're bad?"
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And he said,
"Well, they're gonna be bad."
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He says, "You just keep writing
and keep writing,
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and eventually,
you'll write a good song."
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We were gonna have
a band together.
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He was gonna get rid
of his other guys,
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and I was gonna be his bass player.
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It didn't work out.
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My mom found me smoking pot
with a friend of mine
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in somebody's basement,
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and she called up
Seger's manager, Punch Andrews,
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and said,
"Just a minute, not so fast."
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In the years leading up
to the Great Depression,
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my dad had to quit school
after the eighth grade.
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He had to go home
and work in the fields
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with his brother and sister
to help support the family.
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His fondest wish...
in fact, his life's goal
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was that I would go to college.
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Every Saturday night, he would
bring home seven quarters,
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and we'd put them in a piggy bank,
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and when those quarters
amounted to $100,
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he would take me to the bank
and we would buy a savings bond,
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a United States savings bond,
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and put that away
for my college education.
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So, between what my dad had saved
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and between what I was making
doing gigs all over Texas
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and Arkansas and Louisiana
on weekends,
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I paid for 31/2 years of college.
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They have a world-famous
music department
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in which I did not excel.
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I took one music course.
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I think it was beginning theory,
and I flunked.
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I made an "F."
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But I didn't really care
because I was an English major.
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Well, after the Mushrooms,
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I got invited to join this band
called the Four of Us.
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Started getting into
some of the California bands...
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the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield,
the Beach Boys.
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Always wanted to go to California.
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And I got out there,
my mind was blown.
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The vegetation...
I'd never seen palm trees.
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You know, it was just like
a dream come true.
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The first celebrity I saw
was David Crosby.
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And he had on
that flat-brimmed hat
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that he wore
on the second Byrds album,
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and he had a little leather cape on,
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and I just looked and I thought,
"My God, there's David Crosby."
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Zoom, and we went right by.
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And the first person I met
was John David Souther.
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We wanted to get high
and play music.
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There were two of us with guitars.
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We were listening to a lot
of that sort of interface
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between rock 'n' roll
and country-and-western music
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that was happening
in Southern California at the time
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with the Byrds
and Dillard & Clark
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and the Burrito Brothers and Poco.
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There was a lot of great music
of that sort going around then.
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Longbranch Pennywhistle here.
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I suppose you wonder
what that name meant,
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and John David and I...
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It was a well-kept...
funky women.
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The songs weren't very good.
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I don't think Glenn and I were very
far along as songwriters then.
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We were a funny little group,
but we got gigs.
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We, you know, managed to play
in some of the folk clubs
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around L. A.
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The Golden Bear
and the Ash Grove.
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We had a chance meeting
with Kenny Rogers
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in Dallas, Texas, one day.
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He was coming through town
with the First Edition.
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They were very hot at the time.
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I remember this
like it was yesterday.
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This little kid came up
and said, "Mr. Rogers,"
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he said, "I'm Don Henley,
and I'm with a group called Felicity,
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and we're doing a show tonight,
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and we'd love to have you
come see us."
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And I said, "You know,
I'm really sorry, but I don't do that.
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I don't just go to clubs
and watch groups."
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He said,
"I really think you'd like us."
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And I thought,
"Well, that's pretty cool," so I did.
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Kenny is a Texas boy, and he was
looking for groups to produce.
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So, I brought them to L.A.,
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and they literally lived at my house
for about four months.
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We changed their name to Shiloh.
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It was so much fun
to take them into the studio.
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With Shiloh, we made one album,
and it had a single called
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"Simple Little Down Home
Rock and Roll Love Song for Rosie."
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Not exactly a short title.
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We didn't know much
about the business at that point.
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We were pretty naive.
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We kicked around
in the L.A. Clubs for a while,
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played the Whisky,
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played some of the clubs
down in the South Bay area,
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and nothing really happened for us.
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J.D. And I were looking
for any place to play.
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We had heard about
this guy Jackson Browne.
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He'd been playing
the same clubs we had,
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but we never had seen him perform.
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This is California.
Mr. Jackson Browne.
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Ah, thank you, thank you.
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Then there were
a bunch of gigs that they had
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and some gigs that I had
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that they would show up at my gigs
and me at their gigs,
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and we became really good friends.
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This is...
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And we'd start talking about,
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"Where do you live,
and what's going on?"
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And Jackson said, "You know,
you should come down to Echo Park.
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Rent's real cheap."
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Glenn got the apartment
next to my apartment,
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and this apartment cost like $125
or something a month, you know.
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And I needed to economize,
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so I moved into the basement
underneath Glenn's place,
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which I could get into
for $35 a month.
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It only had one door.
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It was really just kind of
an illegal place, just a cubbyhole,
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and that's where Jackson lived,
with J.D. And I above.
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You know, that was it.
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There was a stereo, a piano,
a bed, a guitar,
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you know, a teapot.
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We slept late in those days,
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except around 9:00 in the morning,
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I'd hear Jackson Browne's teapot
going off,
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this whistle in the distance.
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And then I'd hear him
playing piano.
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I didn't really know
how to write songs.
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I knew I wanted to write songs,
but I didn't know exactly...
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you just wait around for inspiration,
what was the deal?
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Well, I learned through Jackson's
ceiling and my floor
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exactly how to write songs
'cause Jackson would get up,
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and he'd play the first verse
and first chorus,
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and he'd play it 20 times
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until he had it
just the way he wanted.
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And then there'd be silence.
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And then I'd hear the teapot
go off again.
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Then it'd be quiet
for 10 or 20 minutes.
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Then I'd hear him
start to play again,
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and there was the second verse.
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So, then he'd work
on the second verse,
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and he'd play it 20 times.
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And then he'd go back
to the top of the song,
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and he'd play the first verse,
the first chorus,
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and the second verse
another 20 times
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until he was really comfortable
with it and, you know,
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change a word here or there,
and I'm up there going,
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"So, that's how you do it...
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00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:15,411
elbow grease, you know,
time, thought, persistence."
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00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:33,804
I wanted to kill him sometimes.
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00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:38,476
Jackson would play the same phrase,
"Doctor, My Eyes" for six weeks.
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00:24:38,643 --> 00:24:41,203
The same thing with "The Pretender."
I just wanted to murder him.
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00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:48,527
And it was during that period of time
that I met Glenn Frey
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because we were
on the same label
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called Amos records.
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00:24:51,656 --> 00:24:53,866
Some of the things that struck me
when I first met Glenn
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were things we had in common.
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00:24:55,785 --> 00:24:59,330
Both of our dads made a living
in the automotive industry.
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Glenn and I loved old cars,
especially cars from the '50s.
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00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:05,586
He had a '55 Chevy
that he named Gladys.
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00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:09,173
And we drove around Los Angeles
in Gladys.
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Check out some of the new talent.
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There's no better place in town
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00:25:11,676 --> 00:25:13,316
to catch those new singers
and songwriters
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than down
at the Monday night Hoot Night,
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00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,932
Doug Weston's world-famous
Troubadour, happening tonight.
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00:25:18,099 --> 00:25:20,684
The Troubadour club was
the center of the musical universe.
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00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,811
It was a very seminal place.
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00:25:22,979 --> 00:25:24,813
It was the place to see and be seen.
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00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:28,275
Every Monday night
they had an open stage.
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00:25:28,443 --> 00:25:30,152
It was called Hoot Night.
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00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:36,617
The Troubadour was the place to go
if you were young and happening
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00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:40,204
and trying to get involved
in the music scene.
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00:25:40,372 --> 00:25:42,289
It was happening there.
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00:25:58,223 --> 00:25:59,974
I saw a lot of great acts
at the Troubadour.
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00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:19,952
I witnessed Elton John's American
debut performance in 1970.
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00:26:34,175 --> 00:26:36,655
Everybody who was anybody
at the time played at the Troubadour.
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00:26:38,763 --> 00:26:39,805
Of course, Linda...
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00:26:39,973 --> 00:26:44,184
And she still has one of my favorite
voices in the business, ever.
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00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:57,114
The Troubadour is really responsible
for the entire music scene.
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00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:58,603
I mean, everything I got, really,
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00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:01,994
was virtually through either
performing there onstage
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00:27:02,162 --> 00:27:04,496
or in the bar, you know?
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00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:11,045
I was just started
managing Linda then,
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00:27:11,212 --> 00:27:14,089
and Linda was gonna be a star...
that voice as big as a house.
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00:27:14,841 --> 00:27:16,425
There wasn't anybody in the room
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00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,469
that cared about anything
but that voice.
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00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:23,784
One night, we're down
at the Troubadour,
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00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:26,727
and John Boylan comes to me...
he's managing Linda Ronstadt...
422
00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:29,480
and he says,
"I'm taking Linda on the road.
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00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:31,607
We need guys who can sing.
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00:27:31,775 --> 00:27:33,442
You want to play rhythm guitar
and sing?"
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00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:36,403
I offered him $250 a week,
and he took it.
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00:27:39,824 --> 00:27:41,742
I went back to him, I said,
427
00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:44,411
"Can you give me
some of that money right now?"
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00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,622
I think he gave me 50 bucks.
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00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:49,958
And then I found Don
from this band called Shiloh.
430
00:27:50,126 --> 00:27:51,835
I heard him playing
at the Troubadour.
431
00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,008
I was looking for a job.
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00:27:58,176 --> 00:27:59,968
Glenn introduced me to John Boylan.
433
00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:02,346
I auditioned at this little house
in Laurel Canyon.
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00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,724
I had listened to her album
hundreds of times,
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00:28:05,892 --> 00:28:07,572
so I knew the songs
backwards and forwards,
436
00:28:07,644 --> 00:28:11,063
and I guess I passed the audition
because I got the job.
437
00:28:37,882 --> 00:28:39,258
I learned a lot from Linda.
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00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:41,301
It was a very formative experience
for me.
439
00:28:41,469 --> 00:28:44,012
And she could hang
with the guys, you know.
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00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:48,267
She could drink tequila
with the rest of us and hold her own.
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00:28:54,315 --> 00:28:56,108
It was really very ad hoc.
442
00:28:56,276 --> 00:28:58,694
We had a station wagon,
put the gear in the back.
443
00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:01,905
We'd all get in it and drive
to the college and play there.
444
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:04,533
As a cost-cutting measure,
445
00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:06,502
band members had
to share rooms in those days,
446
00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:08,662
so Glenn and I were roommates.
447
00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:11,415
- What did you guys eat?
- I had a bowl of Rice Krispies.
448
00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:14,835
Ladies and gentlemen,
Linda Ronstadt.
449
00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:21,133
It's funny. I seem to get people
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00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:22,718
at a critical stage
in their development,
451
00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:23,844
and they sort of build their chops.
452
00:29:24,012 --> 00:29:25,596
I mean, there's nothing
that gets your chops up better
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00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:27,097
than playing every single night.
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00:29:33,938 --> 00:29:35,272
Linda and John Boylan
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00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,232
really like the way
Henley and I play,
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00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,943
really like the way
we sing with her,
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00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:41,987
and they start to get a vision
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00:29:42,155 --> 00:29:45,365
of putting together a super group
to back up Linda...
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00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:48,744
the best of the new
country-rock musicians,
460
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,621
and we were gonna be part of it.
461
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,165
I remember talking with Don,
and Don said,
462
00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:57,252
"Well, you know, I'd rather, like,
just be in a band with you."
463
00:29:58,254 --> 00:30:00,047
And I said, "Well, yeah, me too.
464
00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:03,634
You know, I'd rather just be
in a band with you."
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00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:09,640
So, we went to Linda and said,
466
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,893
"You know, we really appreciate
everything you've done for us,
467
00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:15,979
and it means a lot,
and we love playing with you,
468
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:18,774
but we'd like to have
our own band."
469
00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:29,159
Now, you know,
I think a lot of people,
470
00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:30,744
you know, could get miffed by that,
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00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:33,038
say, "Well, wait a second.
I brought you out here, you know.
472
00:30:33,206 --> 00:30:34,581
I gave you a paying job
473
00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:37,417
when you couldn't afford your own
drinks at the Troubadour bar,
474
00:30:37,585 --> 00:30:39,753
and now you want to quit?"
475
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:46,552
Linda was extremely gracious
about the whole thing,
476
00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:47,928
as was John Boylan.
477
00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:51,014
They weren't resentful
or bitter at all.
478
00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:52,349
They were great.
479
00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:54,157
They were supportive,
as a matter of fact.
480
00:31:06,197 --> 00:31:08,282
They started talking
about putting a band together,
481
00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:11,493
and we told them
they should get Bernie Leadon.
482
00:31:11,661 --> 00:31:14,997
I was in several bands in L.A.
Early on, I met Linda.
483
00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:16,790
Then I worked
with Dillard & Clark...
484
00:31:16,958 --> 00:31:20,794
Doug Dillard, banjo player,
and Gene Clark from the Byrds.
485
00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:24,298
And so, now I'm in an offshoot
of the Byrds world,
486
00:31:24,465 --> 00:31:26,884
and then that turned
into an invitation
487
00:31:27,051 --> 00:31:28,886
from the Burrito Brothers
from Chris Hillman
488
00:31:29,053 --> 00:31:32,472
to come join them
for their second album on A&M.
489
00:31:39,772 --> 00:31:43,233
And I was still in the Burritos,
but they had lost Gram Parsons,
490
00:31:43,401 --> 00:31:46,361
and it had changed, and I wasn't
that interested anymore.
491
00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,325
Bernie was a very accomplished
banjo player,
492
00:31:51,492 --> 00:31:52,784
and he could also play guitar
493
00:31:52,952 --> 00:31:54,828
in what we called
the Bindi lick style.
494
00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,164
It was pioneered by a fellow
named Clarence White.
495
00:31:57,874 --> 00:32:00,250
And then Glenn told me
about this guy named Randy Meisner
496
00:32:00,418 --> 00:32:02,377
who had been in a band called Poco.
497
00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:05,797
Randy could sing really high,
and he also played bass.
498
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,677
So, Glenn just kind of
asked me one day
499
00:32:10,845 --> 00:32:13,931
if I'd be interested
in starting a group with him.
500
00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:17,392
And he had Henley and Bernie.
501
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,687
That was the first Eagles.
502
00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:23,065
So, the plan was that Glenn and I
503
00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:25,400
would try to recruit
Bernie and Randy,
504
00:32:25,568 --> 00:32:27,235
and then we would all go
to David Geffen
505
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:30,280
and see if he would give us
a recording contract.
506
00:32:30,448 --> 00:32:33,909
In the '70s, Asylum Records
was considered the L.A. Sound...
507
00:32:34,077 --> 00:32:38,038
Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills,
Nash & Young, Jackson Browne.
508
00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:42,417
David Geffen, who started Asylum,
is our patron, you know.
509
00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:45,754
A medici, medici of rock 'n' roll.
510
00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:48,465
It's a very artist-oriented company,
511
00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:50,968
and whatever they want to do,
we support them.
512
00:32:51,135 --> 00:32:52,344
If we believe in them,
we'll stick with them,
513
00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:53,633
whether they make it or not.
514
00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:56,932
Jackson was our conduit
to David Geffen.
515
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,059
He was the first guy to get signed
516
00:32:59,227 --> 00:33:02,145
by Geffen's new
Asylum Records label.
517
00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:04,147
So, we all walk in Geffen's office,
518
00:33:04,315 --> 00:33:06,274
and we basically said,
"Here we are."
519
00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:09,569
Bernie Leadon just boldly
says to Geffen,
520
00:33:09,737 --> 00:33:12,239
"Well, do you want us or not?"
521
00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:13,949
They were dying to sign with me.
522
00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:16,868
I think they were very ambitious,
particularly Glenn.
523
00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:18,662
Glenn wanted to have a hit band.
524
00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:20,330
I loved the way Don sang.
525
00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:22,749
You know, we all had hopes for it.
526
00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:25,585
All of a sudden, we were signed
to Geffen's new label.
527
00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,421
They sent us back
to the drawing board.
528
00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:29,506
They said, "You guys need to go
and rehearse some more."
529
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:31,674
They said, "You know,
you need to write some songs.
530
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:33,196
You're not really ready
to record yet."
531
00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:38,849
So, they packed us off
to Aspen, Colorado.
532
00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:40,142
It could have been worse.
533
00:33:40,309 --> 00:33:42,352
There were people
who were way higher
534
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,187
than any of us had ever been.
535
00:33:46,274 --> 00:33:49,735
It was a Wild West
wide-open town at that point.
536
00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:57,997
We played at a club up there
called the Gallery,
537
00:33:58,077 --> 00:34:00,746
which was located right
at the foot of Aspen Mountain.
538
00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:12,299
We didn't have a big catalog
of our own tunes at that point.
539
00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:14,593
We were just getting started.
540
00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:19,723
We needed to learn how to play
together as a band, and we did.
541
00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:37,491
And then it was like,
"Okay, we need to make a record.
542
00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:39,058
Who are we gonna get
to produce it?"
543
00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,244
We wanted to shoot
as high as we could.
544
00:34:41,412 --> 00:34:44,081
Glenn Frey came up
with Glyn Johns as an idea.
545
00:34:44,248 --> 00:34:47,501
Glyn Johns was a name
that kept popping up
546
00:34:47,668 --> 00:34:50,212
on records we loved.
547
00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,341
The first time I heard them
was in Aspen.
548
00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:55,926
I was not at all impressed, really.
549
00:35:01,015 --> 00:35:03,683
I thought they were confused.
550
00:35:03,851 --> 00:35:07,437
Glenn Frey wanted to be
in a rock-'n'-roll band,
551
00:35:07,605 --> 00:35:09,606
and Bernie Leadon,
on the other side,
552
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:12,109
was one of the greatest
acoustic players...
553
00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:13,693
country players, if you like.
554
00:35:13,861 --> 00:35:16,530
And there was a bit of a confusion.
555
00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:19,449
I didn't see what all the fuss
was about at all.
556
00:35:19,617 --> 00:35:21,201
So I passed.
557
00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:23,620
We're like, "God dang, what..."
558
00:35:23,788 --> 00:35:26,581
You know,
it's not what we expected.
559
00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:31,294
He had worked with Led Zeppelin,
the Who, the Stones,
560
00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:33,046
so he was coming from that,
561
00:35:33,214 --> 00:35:36,758
and he said flat-out,
"You're not that, man."
562
00:35:36,926 --> 00:35:42,013
It isn't always easy to spot
what's hot about an artist
563
00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:43,302
if you go and see them play.
564
00:35:43,432 --> 00:35:44,712
You can see them on a bad night.
565
00:35:44,851 --> 00:35:47,853
You know, it's not necessarily
the fairest way of doing it.
566
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:50,772
So, I thought,
"Well, the best thing to do
567
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:53,942
would be for me to see them
in a rehearsal situation
568
00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:56,486
where we could converse
and they could play new stuff
569
00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:57,821
and I could stop and start."
570
00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:01,324
And they played the stuff
that they played in Aspen,
571
00:36:01,492 --> 00:36:02,826
and it all sounded
pretty much the same.
572
00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:05,871
Well, I was thinking, "I don't get it.
I still don't get it."
573
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:12,169
So, we decided
to take a break for lunch,
574
00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:13,795
and as we were leaving,
575
00:36:13,963 --> 00:36:17,507
somebody said, "Oh, why don't we
play Glyn that ballad?"
576
00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,897
And it just completely
blew me off my feet.
577
00:36:32,064 --> 00:36:34,191
I mean, there it was.
That was the sound.
578
00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:46,661
Extraordinary blend of voices,
wonderful harmony sound.
579
00:36:46,829 --> 00:36:49,789
Just stunning.
And that was it.
580
00:36:49,957 --> 00:36:51,166
I was in with both feet.
581
00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:00,383
Except that Glyn Johns
582
00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:02,511
didn't want to come
to the United States and work.
583
00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:03,929
He wanted to work in London
584
00:37:04,096 --> 00:37:06,096
in the recording studios
that he was familiar with,
585
00:37:06,182 --> 00:37:07,662
and so they shipped us
off to England.
586
00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:09,949
I don't think that any of us
except Bernie
587
00:37:10,019 --> 00:37:11,645
had ever been out of the country,
588
00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:14,356
so it was a little bit like
going to the moon for us.
589
00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:25,575
And I'm stoked.
590
00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:26,664
You know, I'm thinking,
591
00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:29,704
"I'm gonna go to Beatle country
with Glyn Johns.
592
00:37:29,872 --> 00:37:31,581
I'm gonna record in the same studio
593
00:37:31,749 --> 00:37:34,209
where Led Zeppelin
did 'Rock and Roll'.
594
00:37:34,377 --> 00:37:36,461
Oh, my God, I can't wait."
595
00:37:36,629 --> 00:37:40,590
We were recorded
at the famous Olympic studios,
596
00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:43,260
where a lot of legendary records
had been made.
597
00:37:43,427 --> 00:37:45,595
Glyn Johns... he had
a certain style of recording,
598
00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:47,389
which was very organic.
599
00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:49,766
He would simply place
a few mikes around the room,
600
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:50,725
and off you go.
601
00:37:50,893 --> 00:37:53,019
You know, rather than, for example,
602
00:37:53,187 --> 00:37:55,188
placing a microphone
on each and every drum,
603
00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:57,440
he would just put
three microphones on the drum kit.
604
00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:59,048
He was accustomed
to recording people
605
00:37:59,068 --> 00:38:01,444
like John Bonham
with Led Zeppelin.
606
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,073
And I said to Glyn,
"I want the bass drum to be louder."
607
00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:07,909
And he said, "If you want it louder,
hit it harder," you know?
608
00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:09,357
And I hit it as hard as I could,
609
00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:12,372
but I couldn't hit it
as hard as John Bonham.
610
00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:15,542
He had a bunch of rules
that really didn't suit me
611
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:17,502
and some of the other guys, too.
612
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:20,130
You know,
no getting high in the studio,
613
00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:21,798
no drinking in the studio.
614
00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:24,718
I agreed wholeheartedly
with Glyn Johns
615
00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:27,470
regarding drugs and alcohol
in the studio...
616
00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:30,515
that we'd get more work done
and that it would be better work.
617
00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:33,643
When I got the opportunity
to produce
618
00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:35,729
and therefore be in the chair,
619
00:38:35,896 --> 00:38:39,274
I decided that I would no longer
put up with that.
620
00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:40,803
Somebody said to me
the other night
621
00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:47,741
that I was the designated driver
in the '60s and early '70s.
622
00:38:47,908 --> 00:38:49,576
Glyn had worked
with the Rolling Stones
623
00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:51,828
at a time
when they went to the studio
624
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:54,873
and did nothing
except wait for Keith, you know,
625
00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:57,834
to go down in the basement
and play his guitar
626
00:38:58,002 --> 00:38:59,294
until he came up with some riff.
627
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,838
So, Glyn was impatient.
628
00:39:02,006 --> 00:39:05,633
The Stones had burned him out
on the, you know,
629
00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:08,042
"get high in the studio
and wait for something to happen"
630
00:39:08,179 --> 00:39:09,012
kind of thing.
631
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:11,222
Let's go. We're rolling.
632
00:39:12,308 --> 00:39:13,391
One, two, three.
633
00:39:46,967 --> 00:39:49,552
There were three hit singles
on the first album.
634
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,805
"Peaceful Easy Feeling"
was written by Jack Tempchin,
635
00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:54,224
who is our friend
and frequent collaborator.
636
00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:03,441
"Peaceful Easy Feeling"
captures the time,
637
00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:05,443
captures this attitude.
638
00:40:05,611 --> 00:40:08,405
You can feel the wind
blowing across the desert.
639
00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:28,425
The second hit was "Witchy Woman,"
which I wrote with Bernie.
640
00:40:30,177 --> 00:40:33,263
"Witchy Woman"
started as a guitar figure.
641
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,474
Then we were jamming it one day,
and everybody was digging it.
642
00:40:36,642 --> 00:40:39,352
And then Henley came back
the next day with the lyrics.
643
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,400
During the time that the Eagles
were on the road
644
00:41:23,522 --> 00:41:25,982
for the first album,
we had just come through the '60s...
645
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,485
civil rights movement, '68...
646
00:41:28,652 --> 00:41:31,779
all the assassinations,
all the rioting.
647
00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:34,949
The Vietnam War still winding up.
648
00:41:35,117 --> 00:41:36,951
Nixon, Watergate.
649
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,328
I welcome this kind of examination.
650
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:41,122
I really think that part of the reason
651
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:43,208
that the Eagles succeeded
the way they did
652
00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:46,127
was because the country
and people and young people
653
00:41:46,295 --> 00:41:48,046
needed to feel
like things were okay.
654
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:51,466
So, here comes this song
"Take It Easy."
655
00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:46,646
Jackson had this song
called "Take It Easy."
656
00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:47,939
He couldn't finish the song.
657
00:42:48,107 --> 00:42:50,108
He was stuck in the second verse.
658
00:42:50,276 --> 00:42:54,862
He had "I'm standing on a corner
in Winslow, Arizona."
659
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:58,866
And so, I filled in,
"Such a fine sight to see.
660
00:42:59,034 --> 00:43:00,785
It's a girl, my Lord,
in a flatbed Ford
661
00:43:00,953 --> 00:43:02,353
slowing down to take a look at me."
662
00:43:15,926 --> 00:43:19,012
Girl, Lord, Ford... I mean,
all the redemption, you know...
663
00:43:19,179 --> 00:43:22,223
girls and cars and redemption
all in this one line.
664
00:43:22,391 --> 00:43:24,475
I mean, he's very mercurical.
665
00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:27,770
You know... mercurial? Mercurial.
666
00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:30,356
And he's mercurical, too.
667
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:45,371
All right!
668
00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:53,546
Someone once asked
Stephen Stills about the Eagles,
669
00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:57,008
and his response was,
"They just wanted to be us."
670
00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:59,594
But when it came time
to do our album covers,
671
00:43:59,762 --> 00:44:02,889
they suggested that we use
Gary Burden and Henry Diltz.
672
00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:05,642
They had done the first
Crosby, Stills, Nash cover
673
00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:07,268
and some stuff for Joni.
674
00:44:07,436 --> 00:44:09,646
The one I really remember
was the Mamas and Papas
675
00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:11,105
all sitting in the bathtub.
676
00:44:11,273 --> 00:44:13,816
That was one of their album covers.
677
00:44:13,984 --> 00:44:17,403
So, these were, like, the cool guys
to have work on your album.
678
00:44:17,571 --> 00:44:22,158
Gary Burden is about
40 years old, full beard,
679
00:44:22,326 --> 00:44:25,912
long, grayish, wavy hair,
crystal-blue eyes.
680
00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:32,251
Henry was sort of magical,
non-invasive photographer guy.
681
00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:35,380
For the Eagles,
it was the peyote spirits
682
00:44:35,547 --> 00:44:37,674
which the American Indians,
of course,
683
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:41,177
ate peyote and had a very,
very spiritual experience,
684
00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:44,430
and they would maybe
meet their animal totem
685
00:44:44,598 --> 00:44:47,392
or they would get
their quest for life.
686
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:51,771
My deal was always to take
the bands out of their comfort zone.
687
00:44:51,939 --> 00:44:55,274
Take them away from their girlfriends,
from telephones,
688
00:44:55,442 --> 00:44:59,070
from anything,
and have them under my control
689
00:44:59,238 --> 00:45:03,616
so that I could get things to happen
without any interference.
690
00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:05,660
And so, we would take trips.
691
00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:08,496
Now, how this plan
came about exactly,
692
00:45:08,664 --> 00:45:13,626
today you have to scratch your head,
but this was the plan.
693
00:45:13,794 --> 00:45:15,378
Okay, we'll all go
to the Troubadour,
694
00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:18,339
and we'll stay there
till closing time.
695
00:45:18,507 --> 00:45:21,592
And then we'll drive to Joshua Tree.
696
00:45:24,388 --> 00:45:27,348
We had a bag of peyote buttons,
a bunch of trail mix,
697
00:45:27,516 --> 00:45:30,643
some tequila, and some water,
and some blankets.
698
00:45:30,811 --> 00:45:33,229
And the seven of us
set out for Joshua Tree.
699
00:45:33,897 --> 00:45:36,399
We got there probably
about 4:30 in the morning,
700
00:45:36,567 --> 00:45:38,025
parked in this special place
701
00:45:38,193 --> 00:45:40,611
that I don't know
how we found it in the dark.
702
00:45:45,659 --> 00:45:49,954
We all took one peyote button,
put it in our mouths,
703
00:45:50,122 --> 00:45:54,500
and started hiking up to the place
that we were supposed to go.
704
00:45:54,668 --> 00:45:58,337
So, right around the time
that we're getting to the campsite
705
00:45:58,505 --> 00:45:59,945
and we're starting to build the fire
706
00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:03,551
and starting to cook some peyote tea,
and the first buttons...
707
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,179
everybody's chewing
the first button,
708
00:46:06,346 --> 00:46:10,558
and the drug starts coming on
just as the sun is rising.
709
00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:28,618
I think everybody got higher
710
00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:31,245
than they ever imagined
anybody could be,
711
00:46:31,413 --> 00:46:33,414
and it was a good thing.
712
00:46:33,582 --> 00:46:37,752
We were after getting
into life deeper and better
713
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,587
and more and surrendering.
714
00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:49,972
I had to go to the bathroom,
so I left the campsite,
715
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:54,769
and I hear the guys yelling
from the campfire, "Eagle! Eagle!"
716
00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:57,980
I look up, and it's soaring
right above me.
717
00:46:58,148 --> 00:46:59,649
Huge wingspan.
718
00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:02,819
I'm, like, scuffling to get my pants
back up, and I'm slipping.
719
00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:06,405
I fall down, and the bird
just kind of goes,
720
00:47:06,573 --> 00:47:10,159
"Eagles, huh?
Yeah, I don't think so."
721
00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:16,040
The images of the first album cover,
722
00:47:16,208 --> 00:47:21,003
I think, really set the tone
for visually what Eagles are.
723
00:47:21,171 --> 00:47:22,964
Gary designed the album cover
724
00:47:23,131 --> 00:47:27,176
so that it would open up
into a whole poster,
725
00:47:27,344 --> 00:47:31,013
and at the bottom were
the Eagles around the campfire.
726
00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:33,140
And then, up at the top,
727
00:47:33,308 --> 00:47:36,978
it would go on up into the sky
and the eagle up in the sky.
728
00:47:37,145 --> 00:47:40,523
But David Geffen thought
that would be confusing,
729
00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:43,651
and without consulting us
or consulting Gary or the Eagles
730
00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:46,237
or anybody, he told them,
"Just glue it shut."
731
00:47:46,405 --> 00:47:49,490
And so, then, when they glued
it shut, you would get this...
732
00:47:49,658 --> 00:47:52,201
this album, front and back,
and you'd open it up,
733
00:47:52,369 --> 00:47:53,744
and it would be upside-down,
734
00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:56,122
which didn't make any sense
to anybody.
735
00:48:02,045 --> 00:48:04,046
The fact was that the success
of the first album
736
00:48:04,214 --> 00:48:05,715
scared the hell out of us.
737
00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:08,634
Why me instead of some guy
down the street, you know?
738
00:48:08,802 --> 00:48:10,344
Why me and some friends of mine
739
00:48:10,512 --> 00:48:12,805
who are just as good of musicians
as I am, you know,
740
00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:15,308
but it happened to me
and it didn't happen to them?
741
00:48:15,475 --> 00:48:16,684
I don't know.
742
00:48:16,852 --> 00:48:20,062
Success can sometimes be
just as disconcerting
743
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:21,981
and frightening as failure,
744
00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:23,510
especially when you have questions
745
00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:26,068
about your own worthiness
and your abilities.
746
00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:29,280
It came time to do another album.
747
00:48:29,448 --> 00:48:32,700
Don and I decided we'd try
to write some songs together.
748
00:48:32,868 --> 00:48:34,869
I had been sitting over
on Aqua Vista.
749
00:48:35,037 --> 00:48:36,077
I was living on the couch,
750
00:48:36,204 --> 00:48:37,964
and I'm just laying there
playing the guitar,
751
00:48:38,081 --> 00:48:39,665
and I started going...
752
00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:43,712
You know, I'm thinking,
"Yeah, that's pretty cool,
753
00:48:43,837 --> 00:48:45,338
kind of Roy Orbison,
kind of Mexican.
754
00:48:45,505 --> 00:48:46,714
Yeah, I like that."
755
00:48:46,882 --> 00:48:49,675
So, I showed him,
you know, that guitar riff.
756
00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:51,803
I said, "Maybe we should
write something to this."
757
00:49:22,542 --> 00:49:25,002
Songs like "Desperado"
and "Tequila Sunrise"...
758
00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:27,254
that's when Glenn and I
began collaborating,
759
00:49:27,422 --> 00:49:29,840
and that's when we really became
a songwriting team.
760
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,858
Earlier that year,
761
00:49:48,026 --> 00:49:52,488
someone had given Jackson Browne
the book of gunfighters.
762
00:49:52,656 --> 00:49:54,281
It had all the big outlaw groups...
763
00:49:54,449 --> 00:49:57,743
Frank and Jesse,
the Doolin-Dalton gang.
764
00:49:57,911 --> 00:50:00,037
We were all just fascinated
with those guys,
765
00:50:00,205 --> 00:50:02,415
and we thought it would make
a great analogy.
766
00:50:02,582 --> 00:50:06,127
Well, for example, we live
outside the laws of normality.
767
00:50:06,294 --> 00:50:09,630
Also, you usually... because
of records or bank robberies,
768
00:50:09,798 --> 00:50:12,508
you usually heard about these guys
before you ever saw them.
769
00:50:13,552 --> 00:50:17,847
They had posters that were wanted
posters up for people.
770
00:50:21,685 --> 00:50:24,520
There just seemed to be
some parallels.
771
00:50:28,692 --> 00:50:30,943
It wasn't really like
we were outlaws,
772
00:50:31,111 --> 00:50:34,905
but I think they did have
their nobler characteristics.
773
00:50:43,206 --> 00:50:44,331
We started talking about it.
774
00:50:44,499 --> 00:50:46,125
Then we said,
"Well, maybe we should do, like,
775
00:50:46,293 --> 00:50:48,753
an album all about the rebels."
776
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,379
We got to doing this outlaw album,
777
00:50:50,547 --> 00:50:54,383
and we had eight songs finished,
and we needed two more.
778
00:50:54,551 --> 00:50:58,637
An idea Randy came up with
was how the guy became an outlaw
779
00:50:58,805 --> 00:51:01,015
and how he became a guitar player.
780
00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:37,927
I kind of started it,
and that's what usually happened.
781
00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:40,346
I'd get a verse or two,
and then I'm done,
782
00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:42,598
and they would
help fill in the blanks.
783
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:56,987
Nobody expected there
to be a concept album
784
00:51:57,155 --> 00:51:59,448
with Western cowboys music.
785
00:51:59,908 --> 00:52:03,285
Don Henley was from Texas.
He was a cowboy.
786
00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:06,622
Glenn was from Detroit.
He wanted to be a cowboy.
787
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:10,626
Because I knew all these guys
had a little cowboy inside of them,
788
00:52:10,794 --> 00:52:12,628
I took them to Western costume
789
00:52:12,796 --> 00:52:15,798
and just said,
"Pick out your persona."
790
00:52:15,966 --> 00:52:19,844
Their premise was that,
if they had lived 100 years ago,
791
00:52:20,011 --> 00:52:23,889
in like 1872, they probably
would have been gunslingers.
792
00:52:24,057 --> 00:52:25,138
Everybody's gonna be firing
793
00:52:25,183 --> 00:52:26,642
in the direction
of this building right here.
794
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:29,812
Jackson, J.D., Boyd, you all
got to be in the picture more.
795
00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:31,147
We're gonna be in there.
796
00:52:31,314 --> 00:52:34,483
You ready?
One, two, three!
797
00:52:40,407 --> 00:52:42,366
And we fired so many blanks
798
00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:45,953
that it was a cloud of smoke
hanging over this Western town,
799
00:52:46,121 --> 00:52:50,791
and the fire department came
'cause they thought it was a fire.
800
00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:54,086
Keep firing!
801
00:52:54,254 --> 00:52:56,535
We were just a bunch of kids.
We were just playing around.
802
00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:05,982
The picture
that's on the back of the album...
803
00:53:06,016 --> 00:53:07,266
there's a lot of reality in it.
804
00:53:07,434 --> 00:53:10,144
All of the agents and managers
and road managers,
805
00:53:10,312 --> 00:53:12,479
all the guys who didn't play
are standing up,
806
00:53:12,647 --> 00:53:14,690
alive with badges and guns,
807
00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:18,402
and the four Eagles at the time
and Jackson and I are all dead,
808
00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:20,362
bound up the way they used to do
809
00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:22,114
when they'd catch outlaws
in those days.
810
00:53:22,282 --> 00:53:23,603
They'd stand them up for display.
811
00:53:23,742 --> 00:53:27,745
People never tired of looking
at the corpse of a bad boy.
812
00:53:29,706 --> 00:53:32,791
We all felt, when we were doing it
and as it was delivered,
813
00:53:32,959 --> 00:53:36,170
that it was another
really remarkable record
814
00:53:36,338 --> 00:53:37,755
on the part of the band.
815
00:53:37,923 --> 00:53:39,048
I mean, it was pretty extraordinary.
816
00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:42,009
The band and I were
enormously thrilled with it.
817
00:53:42,177 --> 00:53:45,054
They literally carried me
out of the control room.
818
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:47,640
They chaired me
out of the control room.
819
00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:56,232
"Desperado" comes out,
and it bombs.
820
00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:01,654
Jerry Greenberg was the Vice
President of Atlantic Records.
821
00:54:01,821 --> 00:54:04,740
They were excited
to get the second Eagles album.
822
00:54:04,908 --> 00:54:07,868
We played him "Desperado,"
and he said, "Hmm, that's, yeah,
823
00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:10,704
that's nice, that's good,
that's nice,"
824
00:54:10,872 --> 00:54:11,953
and turned around and said,
825
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,751
"God, they made
a fuckin' cowboy record."
826
00:54:26,012 --> 00:54:29,265
I was extremely flattered
that Linda recorded "Desperado."
827
00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:32,101
It was really her
that popularized the song.
828
00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:35,521
Her version was very poignant
and beautiful.
829
00:54:50,787 --> 00:54:52,913
There have been
a lot of articles and things
830
00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:55,165
that identify me
with the L.A. Sound.
831
00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:58,252
It's sort of, like, me and
Jackson Browne and the Eagles.
832
00:54:58,420 --> 00:55:00,581
All of us are reaching out
for other musical influences
833
00:55:00,672 --> 00:55:01,714
all the time.
834
00:55:01,881 --> 00:55:05,092
The so-called southern California
sound was developing.
835
00:55:05,260 --> 00:55:07,678
It was fresh, it was different,
it was unique.
836
00:55:07,846 --> 00:55:10,014
It was a melting pot,
people moving here
837
00:55:10,181 --> 00:55:12,433
from all over the United States
to pursue their dream...
838
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,020
actors, musicians,
wannabe managers, agents,
839
00:55:16,187 --> 00:55:17,521
wannabe, you know, like me.
840
00:55:21,568 --> 00:55:25,112
I picked up the phone cold
and called David Geffen,
841
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,989
who was just starting
Asylum Records.
842
00:55:27,157 --> 00:55:30,242
Long story short, I took a job
as a manager with Asylum.
843
00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:34,955
I was intrigued. I wanted to know
about the Eagles
844
00:55:35,123 --> 00:55:37,458
and meet the Eagles
'cause I was a fan.
845
00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:40,002
Emergency.
846
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:42,671
I get a phone call.
Glenn Frey's on the phone.
847
00:55:42,839 --> 00:55:45,507
"We need money for Christmas.
Can you book dates?"
848
00:55:45,675 --> 00:55:46,633
I book some dates.
849
00:55:46,801 --> 00:55:49,511
So, I get on a plane
and go out to meet them.
850
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:51,847
First of all,
the show was fantastic.
851
00:55:52,015 --> 00:55:56,685
Crowd was nothing like I'd seen
a year, year and a half earlier.
852
00:55:56,853 --> 00:55:59,938
Good evening. Welcome
to the Portland version of...
853
00:56:00,106 --> 00:56:01,732
- Spread eagle.
- Spread eagle.
854
00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:04,276
Tonight, the promoter
gave us chopsticks.
855
00:56:04,444 --> 00:56:06,779
I don't think we ever
checked in a hotel.
856
00:56:06,946 --> 00:56:09,907
We went from there
to a party at a sorority house.
857
00:56:10,075 --> 00:56:11,742
One thing led to another,
858
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:14,578
and I'd never seen
anything like this.
859
00:56:14,746 --> 00:56:15,996
They wouldn't give us any booze
in the bar.
860
00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:18,457
We tried to get some booze,
but they fucked up,
861
00:56:18,625 --> 00:56:19,875
so we may burn
the fucking place down.
862
00:56:20,043 --> 00:56:20,876
We're not sure.
863
00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:24,671
I don't think we went to sleep.
It was Eagle mania.
864
00:56:27,425 --> 00:56:29,259
And then they went off to England
865
00:56:29,427 --> 00:56:31,637
to record "On the Border"
with Glyn Johns.
866
00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:36,392
They were quite open
to being produced.
867
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,394
Understandably, that changed.
868
00:56:38,561 --> 00:56:43,899
They began to be more opinionated
and less insecure, perhaps.
869
00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,235
We wanted to play rock 'n' roll
870
00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:48,862
or at least a more rock-'n'-roll
version of country music,
871
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:50,781
and Glyn Johns was of the opinion
872
00:56:50,949 --> 00:56:53,158
that we weren't
really capable of that.
873
00:56:53,326 --> 00:56:55,577
I think he had been bombarded
by loud,
874
00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:58,580
aggressive rock 'n' roll
for many, many years.
875
00:56:58,748 --> 00:56:59,873
At that point in his life,
876
00:57:00,041 --> 00:57:03,001
he wanted mellow people
and mellow music,
877
00:57:03,169 --> 00:57:07,589
and we weren't exactly
at the same stage in life.
878
00:57:07,757 --> 00:57:10,050
Frey sort of took over more.
879
00:57:10,218 --> 00:57:12,428
He had this desire to be something
880
00:57:12,595 --> 00:57:16,515
that I didn't really feel
that they were capable of doing.
881
00:57:16,683 --> 00:57:19,726
He and Glenn Frey
were like oil and water.
882
00:57:19,894 --> 00:57:22,271
They clashed frequently.
883
00:57:22,439 --> 00:57:25,732
In the studio, Glyn Johns
was pretty much a schoolmarm.
884
00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:28,444
He'd push, push, push, you know?
885
00:57:28,611 --> 00:57:29,811
And then he'd say, "That's it.
886
00:57:29,946 --> 00:57:31,530
That's good enough.
We're moving on.
887
00:57:31,698 --> 00:57:33,699
You're not a rock-'n'-roll band.
888
00:57:33,867 --> 00:57:37,786
The Who is a rock-'n'-roll band,
and you're not that."
889
00:57:37,954 --> 00:57:40,456
After each of those records,
890
00:57:40,623 --> 00:57:45,085
the band freaked out and said,
"We've made a huge mistake.
891
00:57:45,253 --> 00:57:47,087
Glyn Johns missed it."
892
00:57:47,255 --> 00:57:48,755
We actually had conversations.
893
00:57:48,923 --> 00:57:51,633
You know, "Desperado" hadn't done
as well as the first album.
894
00:57:51,801 --> 00:57:56,138
None of them were thrilled
with the way the record sounded.
895
00:57:56,306 --> 00:58:00,225
We wanted more input into
how our albums were being made.
896
00:58:00,393 --> 00:58:03,604
We wanted more input
into the recording process itself.
897
00:58:04,397 --> 00:58:07,107
Don and I thought
that the vocals were too wet.
898
00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:08,734
There was too much echo on them.
899
00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:11,987
And he definitely told us,
"Excuse me, that's my echo.
900
00:58:12,155 --> 00:58:14,448
It's my signature.
It's my bloody echo.
901
00:58:14,616 --> 00:58:16,417
It stays there.
You don't tell me what to do."
902
00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:18,619
We needed to make a change.
903
00:58:21,664 --> 00:58:24,833
I joined the Navy
at the height of the cold war.
904
00:58:25,001 --> 00:58:26,585
One of the main things
they were doing
905
00:58:26,753 --> 00:58:30,380
was looking for Russian submarines,
and you do that by using sonar.
906
00:58:31,674 --> 00:58:35,844
When I got out, I had a lot
of electronics education, obviously.
907
00:58:36,012 --> 00:58:39,932
And I got a job in a recording studio
here in New York.
908
00:58:40,099 --> 00:58:43,602
The first session I ever saw,
like day one, day two,
909
00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:45,270
was a Carole King demo.
910
00:58:45,438 --> 00:58:46,980
She sat down and played piano,
911
00:58:47,148 --> 00:58:52,319
and it was like, "Boy, this is fun.
These people are having fun here."
912
00:58:55,698 --> 00:58:57,491
I worked my way up
through the ranks,
913
00:58:57,659 --> 00:59:00,160
and then, of course, after
engineering for four or five years,
914
00:59:00,328 --> 00:59:01,848
I was like,
"Well, I can produce better
915
00:59:01,913 --> 00:59:04,706
than some of these guys
I'm working for."
916
00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:07,292
At the time,
I was managing Joe Walsh,
917
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:09,545
so I played them Walsh music
918
00:59:09,712 --> 00:59:14,341
that I thought was an example
of how it could be edgier.
919
00:59:14,509 --> 00:59:16,189
Joe and I had just finished
an album called
920
00:59:16,219 --> 00:59:18,720
"The Smoker You Drink,
The Player You Get."
921
00:59:18,888 --> 00:59:22,266
And they heard that and said,
"That's what we want to sound like."
922
00:59:22,433 --> 00:59:23,892
So, Irving arranged for us
923
00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:25,727
to have a meeting
with Bill Szymczyk.
924
00:59:25,895 --> 00:59:28,522
We really only had two questions
that we wanted to ask him...
925
00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:30,732
Do you mind if we have some input
926
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:32,609
about how much echo
is on the vocals?
927
00:59:32,777 --> 00:59:34,903
And we wanted somebody
who would put a microphone
928
00:59:35,071 --> 00:59:36,071
on each and every drum
929
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,031
so we could have more control
over the mix.
930
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:39,741
He said yes to every question,
931
00:59:39,909 --> 00:59:42,911
and so we knew
he was the guy for us.
932
00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,080
I said, "Okay, under one condition.
933
00:59:45,248 --> 00:59:48,250
I have to call Glyn
and make sure it's okay with him."
934
00:59:48,418 --> 00:59:50,127
So, I called him, and I said,
935
00:59:50,295 --> 00:59:53,589
you know, "Glyn, the Eagles
want me to produce them."
936
00:59:53,756 --> 00:59:55,424
"Better you than me, mate."
937
00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:58,176
That's pretty much how I felt.
938
00:59:58,344 --> 01:00:02,764
I mean, it had come
to a fairly unpleasant end.
939
01:00:02,932 --> 01:00:04,558
Well, okay, you know,
940
01:00:04,726 --> 01:00:08,145
so much for Beatle country
with Glyn Johns.
941
01:00:11,357 --> 01:00:15,652
Let's have a warm round of applause
on a hot afternoon for the Eagles.
942
01:00:31,502 --> 01:00:33,253
Along about the third album,
943
01:00:33,421 --> 01:00:37,507
I was having some difficulty
in communicating,
944
01:00:37,675 --> 01:00:38,842
I felt, in the band,
945
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:41,803
and I was starting to think
maybe I should go at some point.
946
01:00:41,971 --> 01:00:44,806
They still had
this unfulfilled desire
947
01:00:44,974 --> 01:00:48,852
to be a mainstream rock band
and not just a vocal band,
948
01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,813
but I think they wanted to go
in a tougher direction.
949
01:00:54,484 --> 01:00:57,319
Bernie Leadon was
a country-based guitar player,
950
01:00:57,487 --> 01:01:00,572
but every time I wanted to do
a rock-'n'-roll song,
951
01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:02,491
he was the lead guitar player.
952
01:01:08,247 --> 01:01:10,916
Every time we wanted to do
something country that Bernie sang,
953
01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:13,293
I was supposed to be
the lead guitar player,
954
01:01:13,461 --> 01:01:16,254
and I wasn't a country musician
by any stretch.
955
01:01:16,422 --> 01:01:19,341
It always felt like we needed
a third guitar player.
956
01:01:21,177 --> 01:01:24,763
We had met this friend of Bernie's,
this guy named Don Felder.
957
01:01:24,931 --> 01:01:27,307
We were playing in Boston,
and he came back to visit Bernie,
958
01:01:27,475 --> 01:01:29,768
and we were jamming upstairs
in the dressing room,
959
01:01:29,936 --> 01:01:32,813
and this guy was all over the neck.
960
01:01:37,735 --> 01:01:39,611
What he brought was great chops.
961
01:01:39,779 --> 01:01:42,197
I mean, we called him Fingers...
Fingers Felder...
962
01:01:42,365 --> 01:01:43,824
because he was
an incredible player.
963
01:01:52,166 --> 01:01:54,246
We did that session.
I think it was like three hours.
964
01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,878
And then I packed up and went home,
965
01:01:57,046 --> 01:01:59,767
not thinking anything more about it
than it was just another session.
966
01:01:59,924 --> 01:02:01,717
And the next day, Glenn called me
967
01:02:01,884 --> 01:02:04,052
and asked me
if I would like to join the band.
968
01:02:04,637 --> 01:02:07,013
I said, "Absolutely."
969
01:02:08,558 --> 01:02:10,350
- All right, let's do...
- I'm in heaven.
970
01:02:10,518 --> 01:02:12,644
- Let's go another one.
- All right, do it right!
971
01:02:12,812 --> 01:02:16,606
The banter that would go on
in between takes was hysterical,
972
01:02:16,774 --> 01:02:21,820
and so I took to running a two-track
to pick up these silly things.
973
01:02:21,988 --> 01:02:23,905
We were young men
with raging hormones
974
01:02:24,073 --> 01:02:25,657
and something to prove.
975
01:02:25,825 --> 01:02:27,951
In the context of the times
and the profession,
976
01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,954
the way we behaved
wasn't really all that remarkable.
977
01:02:31,122 --> 01:02:32,205
The creative impulse
978
01:02:32,373 --> 01:02:34,750
comes from the dark side
of the personality,
979
01:02:34,917 --> 01:02:36,585
so we worked it good, you know.
980
01:02:36,753 --> 01:02:40,380
We did a lot of stupid things,
said a lot of stupid things.
981
01:02:40,548 --> 01:02:44,092
It was the '70s.
There were drugs everywhere.
982
01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:48,221
Cactus sunrise was in my face
983
01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:52,934
Everyone was dying,
everyone was lying and trying
984
01:02:53,102 --> 01:02:56,605
Well, rub your belly
in the linseed oil
985
01:02:56,773 --> 01:02:58,607
There you go.
986
01:03:00,359 --> 01:03:02,235
Well, the heartbreak of psoriasis
987
01:03:02,403 --> 01:03:05,822
has once again descended
upon the adolescent experience,
988
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:07,365
and we'll see you later.
989
01:03:07,533 --> 01:03:09,785
See you at the show
later on tonight.
990
01:03:09,952 --> 01:03:12,871
The question was, you know,
who could handle it?
991
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,499
Who could function?
Who could show up?
992
01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:15,809
There were always girls.
993
01:04:22,692 --> 01:04:25,694
There were a lot of opportunities
out on the road
994
01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:29,072
to entertain ourselves
with one thing or another.
995
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,658
So, we started to perfect
after-show partying,
996
01:04:31,826 --> 01:04:34,578
and we invented a place
called the Third Encore.
997
01:04:34,745 --> 01:04:37,956
We did two encores in our show,
so the third encore was the party.
998
01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:40,709
Everybody in the band
and everybody in the crew
999
01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:43,086
was given a bunch of buttons,
and all we said was,
1000
01:04:43,254 --> 01:04:46,172
"No weirdos,
no strange people, okay?
1001
01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:48,383
If you're gonna give a button
to somebody,
1002
01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:50,051
you know, make it count."
1003
01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:51,219
Totally sick.
1004
01:04:51,387 --> 01:04:53,805
There's some real warped shit
coming on now, ladies and gentlemen.
1005
01:04:53,973 --> 01:04:56,391
A member of Andy Warthog's
pop-bowel movement
1006
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,185
has just tried to crash our party.
1007
01:04:59,353 --> 01:05:00,186
What the...
1008
01:05:00,354 --> 01:05:04,232
Welcome to Pittsburgh Spread Eagle.
1009
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,650
We want to just ask these girls
1010
01:05:05,818 --> 01:05:08,153
why they think they have to leave
now that it's 2:00.
1011
01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:10,655
One thing, he smells like beer.
1012
01:05:10,823 --> 01:05:13,158
We'd fill the bathtubs up
with Budweiser,
1013
01:05:13,326 --> 01:05:15,577
and we'd have a party
after every show.
1014
01:05:15,745 --> 01:05:17,412
- Your name, please.
- Tammy Farley.
1015
01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:19,539
Tammy, Tammy, Tammy.
1016
01:05:19,707 --> 01:05:21,347
Here we have Karen.
Karen is 20 years old.
1017
01:05:21,459 --> 01:05:22,459
- Is that correct?
- Yeah.
1018
01:05:22,543 --> 01:05:23,919
What's your name, dear?
1019
01:05:24,086 --> 01:05:25,337
- Fuck it, man.
- Pardon?
1020
01:05:25,504 --> 01:05:27,380
Fuck it. Her name's fuck it, man.
1021
01:05:28,090 --> 01:05:31,343
I want to talk about sex and drugs.
1022
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:32,886
Who wants to go first?
1023
01:05:33,054 --> 01:05:35,764
I'm not lost for words
on either subject.
1024
01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:39,059
Sex and drugs kind of came
as a big package in the '60s.
1025
01:05:39,226 --> 01:05:40,727
You know,
it seemed like everybody...
1026
01:05:40,895 --> 01:05:44,105
the sexual revolution
and the drug thing, I guess,
1027
01:05:44,273 --> 01:05:48,109
probably started out together.
1028
01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:49,986
Didn't they?
1029
01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:54,115
Don and I both tried
to have relationships
1030
01:05:54,283 --> 01:05:57,118
while we were members
of the Eagles,
1031
01:05:57,286 --> 01:06:01,831
but it was always like the Eagles
trumped everything.
1032
01:06:01,999 --> 01:06:04,125
When the Eagles
became successful,
1033
01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:06,503
we challenged all the rules.
1034
01:06:08,547 --> 01:06:10,799
Like when David Geffen
left Asylum Records
1035
01:06:10,967 --> 01:06:14,636
and sold everything to Warner Bros.
And started his new empire.
1036
01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:16,262
Let's be frank.
1037
01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:19,099
When we signed that contract,
we were idiots.
1038
01:06:19,266 --> 01:06:21,851
We knew nothing
about the business.
1039
01:06:22,019 --> 01:06:24,479
We had poor legal representation,
1040
01:06:24,647 --> 01:06:26,398
nobody looking out for us.
1041
01:06:26,565 --> 01:06:31,027
Remember, bands don't really get
record royalties usually ever.
1042
01:06:31,195 --> 01:06:35,615
So, they get money from touring,
but they get publishing money.
1043
01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:38,034
So, in the very beginning,
one thing that Geffen did
1044
01:06:38,202 --> 01:06:39,411
that I thought was great...
1045
01:06:39,578 --> 01:06:42,038
he had us form
a band publishing company.
1046
01:06:42,206 --> 01:06:44,165
All the band's publishing
went in that.
1047
01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:46,501
The problem
was Geffen had the other half.
1048
01:06:46,669 --> 01:06:48,669
Half the Eagles' publishing,
half of my publishing,
1049
01:06:48,671 --> 01:06:50,151
half of all the artists
that he signed
1050
01:06:50,256 --> 01:06:55,510
went to Warner Bros.,
but he got them to return mine.
1051
01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:58,013
Jackson turned me on to the Eagles.
1052
01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:00,098
He had turned me on
to a lot of artists,
1053
01:07:00,266 --> 01:07:02,684
and I felt I owed him something.
1054
01:07:02,852 --> 01:07:04,519
And that, not surprisingly,
1055
01:07:04,687 --> 01:07:07,480
was not acceptable rationale
to the Eagles.
1056
01:07:07,648 --> 01:07:10,191
There's a certain amount of ire,
1057
01:07:10,359 --> 01:07:14,029
like, real, you know,
like, "What the fuck?
1058
01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:16,656
I mean, we didn't get
our publishing back."
1059
01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:18,074
So, it was the publishing issue
1060
01:07:18,242 --> 01:07:19,951
and the fact that
the business managers
1061
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:22,037
and the lawyers
were all shared common guys,
1062
01:07:22,204 --> 01:07:25,874
and did they have a conflict
when an issue came up
1063
01:07:26,042 --> 01:07:27,250
and which side to take?
1064
01:07:27,418 --> 01:07:29,461
Well, it just makes you feel
like meat, you know?
1065
01:07:29,628 --> 01:07:32,464
It started out as such a personal,
nurturing endeavor,
1066
01:07:32,631 --> 01:07:35,008
you know, with Mr. Geffen saying,
"Oh, I'm going to protect you guys.
1067
01:07:35,176 --> 01:07:37,177
"That's why I'm calling
my new label 'Asylum'.
1068
01:07:37,344 --> 01:07:40,847
It's going to be a sanctuary
for real artists."
1069
01:07:41,015 --> 01:07:44,184
He once said to Irving Azoff,
"You know, Irving,
1070
01:07:44,351 --> 01:07:46,644
this would be a great business
if there weren't artists."
1071
01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,775
Irving was the one guy
who really believed in us,
1072
01:07:51,942 --> 01:07:54,819
that I thought could do something
to help us.
1073
01:07:54,987 --> 01:07:56,571
I basically hired a lawyer
and went in
1074
01:07:56,739 --> 01:07:59,908
after I said the Eagles would like
their publishing back,
1075
01:08:00,076 --> 01:08:02,243
to which the obvious response
was "No".
1076
01:08:02,411 --> 01:08:05,830
He sort of drew a line in the sand
and declared war,
1077
01:08:05,998 --> 01:08:08,958
so I felt, for my survival
as their manager,
1078
01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:12,587
I needed to prove to them
that I wasn't afraid of Geffen
1079
01:08:12,755 --> 01:08:14,547
and would stand up and, you know.
1080
01:08:14,715 --> 01:08:16,341
The lawsuit was filed
as a last resort.
1081
01:08:17,051 --> 01:08:20,261
I don't think David liked
reading his name in the lawsuit.
1082
01:08:20,429 --> 01:08:22,847
I thought
it was incredibly ungrateful
1083
01:08:23,015 --> 01:08:27,018
and they misrepresented the facts,
but so be it.
1084
01:08:27,186 --> 01:08:28,812
Ultimately, we settled out of court,
1085
01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:30,688
and I don't believe
it took very long.
1086
01:08:30,856 --> 01:08:32,565
He just wanted to get rid of us.
1087
01:08:32,733 --> 01:08:34,859
This is our new record contract.
1088
01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:39,364
Just paper.
1089
01:08:39,532 --> 01:08:41,699
So, then we headed off
for parts unknown
1090
01:08:41,867 --> 01:08:44,077
with Irving Azoff at the helm.
1091
01:08:52,753 --> 01:08:55,004
This card game
is called Eagle Poker.
1092
01:08:55,172 --> 01:08:57,215
It's a bastardization of Red Dog.
1093
01:08:57,383 --> 01:09:01,678
I invented it
in Detroit, Michigan, in 1947,
1094
01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:04,514
one year before I was born.
1095
01:09:04,682 --> 01:09:07,600
We were big gamblers.
We played poker all the time.
1096
01:09:07,768 --> 01:09:13,148
Oh, boy. They should have
never given me money.
1097
01:09:13,315 --> 01:09:17,318
So, we decided we'd go
to the Bahamas to gamble.
1098
01:09:17,486 --> 01:09:19,779
Everybody but Don was holding.
1099
01:09:19,947 --> 01:09:22,824
I had like four joints in a baggie,
1100
01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:24,512
stuffed down my sock
in my cowboy boot.
1101
01:09:24,618 --> 01:09:26,703
Durkin, the pilot, has a joint.
1102
01:09:26,871 --> 01:09:30,039
Irving had about 30 valiums
in a sugar pack.
1103
01:09:30,207 --> 01:09:33,960
There was a couple
of customs officials there
1104
01:09:34,128 --> 01:09:36,629
that asked us to collect
all our luggage and come over,
1105
01:09:36,797 --> 01:09:39,340
and they wanted to search us
'cause we looked terrible.
1106
01:09:39,508 --> 01:09:41,676
We had really long hair
and patches on our jeans
1107
01:09:41,844 --> 01:09:44,512
and a beard and not slept.
1108
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,765
Now, I'm freaking out.
Bernie's freaking out.
1109
01:09:47,933 --> 01:09:50,685
Irving's freaking out.
Henley's pissed off.
1110
01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:53,021
Don't touch me.
1111
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:55,023
Well, the guy proceeds
to put us all in a room together,
1112
01:09:55,191 --> 01:09:58,318
and they start searching us
one by one.
1113
01:09:58,485 --> 01:10:02,989
My greatest fear is that
I'm gonna be locked in a jail cell
1114
01:10:03,157 --> 01:10:05,533
with Bernie Leadon.
1115
01:10:05,701 --> 01:10:07,368
So, at this point, Irving steps in
1116
01:10:07,536 --> 01:10:10,121
and takes one
of the Bahamian customs guys
1117
01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:12,832
over to the side
and has a chat with him.
1118
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,169
I'm not sure, to this day,
what Irving said to him.
1119
01:10:19,548 --> 01:10:23,384
The next thing I knew,
they let us pass with no problem.
1120
01:10:23,552 --> 01:10:25,261
It was sort of miraculous,
really, it was,
1121
01:10:25,429 --> 01:10:28,473
because I thought for sure
we were gonna be in the slammer.
1122
01:10:28,641 --> 01:10:30,600
It was dumb luck
that this guy bought my line
1123
01:10:30,768 --> 01:10:31,726
and didn't search them.
1124
01:10:31,894 --> 01:10:33,603
That was the day
I decided Irving Azoff
1125
01:10:33,771 --> 01:10:36,022
was the greatest manager
in rock 'n' roll
1126
01:10:36,190 --> 01:10:39,067
and I would never do anything
without him by my side.
1127
01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:43,821
I had the only seat
in a major championship fight...
1128
01:10:43,989 --> 01:10:46,616
to be sitting there when,
you know,
1129
01:10:46,784 --> 01:10:50,119
when a lyric was thrown out
and then hear a track.
1130
01:10:55,417 --> 01:10:58,044
And I've watched the creative process
with lots of other people,
1131
01:10:58,212 --> 01:11:01,714
but I've never seen it
the way it fell in place with them.
1132
01:11:01,882 --> 01:11:04,592
I remember watching
"Lyin' Eyes" written.
1133
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,262
Glenn just had a way of coming up
with a phrase, you know?
1134
01:11:07,429 --> 01:11:09,013
He had written some kind of a tune,
1135
01:11:09,181 --> 01:11:11,015
and they were sitting
in Tana's one night
1136
01:11:11,183 --> 01:11:14,811
and looking at some young girl
with an older guy at the bar,
1137
01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:17,814
and Glenn said,
"Look at those lyin' eyes."
1138
01:11:17,982 --> 01:11:19,942
And just... just like that,
wow, there's the song.
1139
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,177
It was just about all these girls
1140
01:11:48,345 --> 01:11:50,385
who would come down
to Dan Tana's looking beautiful,
1141
01:11:50,514 --> 01:11:52,640
and they'd be there
from 8:00 to midnight
1142
01:11:52,808 --> 01:11:55,310
and have dinner and drinks
with all of us rockers,
1143
01:11:55,477 --> 01:11:58,813
and then they'd go home
because they were kept women.
1144
01:12:24,381 --> 01:12:26,781
You know, when we were doing
the "One of These Nights" album,
1145
01:12:26,842 --> 01:12:28,426
we'd gone through three albums,
1146
01:12:28,594 --> 01:12:30,928
and the only people
who'd sung on any hit records
1147
01:12:31,096 --> 01:12:32,722
were Don and myself.
1148
01:12:32,890 --> 01:12:36,559
And Randy always felt like,
you know, he was a lead singer, too.
1149
01:12:36,727 --> 01:12:39,354
And I actually felt that way, too.
I liked his voice.
1150
01:12:39,521 --> 01:12:42,440
So, he brought in the beginnings
of "Take It To the Limit,"
1151
01:12:42,608 --> 01:12:46,069
and it became the Eagles'
first number-one single.
1152
01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:01,125
The line "Take It To the Limit"
1153
01:13:01,293 --> 01:13:06,714
was to keep trying
before you reach a point in your life
1154
01:13:06,882 --> 01:13:09,300
where you feel, you know,
you've done everything
1155
01:13:09,468 --> 01:13:11,677
and seen everything sort of feeling.
1156
01:13:11,845 --> 01:13:13,638
You know, a part of getting old,
1157
01:13:13,806 --> 01:13:16,015
and just to take it to the limit
one more time,
1158
01:13:16,183 --> 01:13:19,227
like every day,
just keep punching away at it.
1159
01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:21,896
And that's all that I really...
that was the line,
1160
01:13:22,064 --> 01:13:26,317
and from there, the song took
a different, you know, course.
1161
01:13:37,496 --> 01:13:42,083
I think everybody in the Eagles
did the level best we could.
1162
01:13:42,251 --> 01:13:44,460
You have to remember
how young we were,
1163
01:13:44,628 --> 01:13:47,380
the fact that nobody
had anything when we started,
1164
01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:49,799
and you got all this stuff
coming at you.
1165
01:13:49,967 --> 01:13:52,176
Meanwhile,
you're touring all the time.
1166
01:13:52,344 --> 01:13:54,178
It's a lot.
1167
01:13:54,346 --> 01:13:58,307
To Bernie, success on any scale
was synonymous with selling out.
1168
01:13:58,475 --> 01:14:01,227
He wanted us to remain
sort of an underground band.
1169
01:14:01,395 --> 01:14:03,688
We had our problems with Bernie,
1170
01:14:03,856 --> 01:14:06,023
and Bernie
had his problems with us.
1171
01:14:06,191 --> 01:14:08,943
Some of it was based
on him being able to have a voice
1172
01:14:09,111 --> 01:14:10,278
in the Eagles
1173
01:14:10,446 --> 01:14:14,157
and record the songs he wanted to
the way he wanted to.
1174
01:14:14,324 --> 01:14:16,325
We were getting
more and more rocked out,
1175
01:14:16,493 --> 01:14:19,829
and I think Bernie was
less and less happy about that...
1176
01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:24,792
...to the point that, one time,
we had worked on a track all night.
1177
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,321
I mean, it was a rocked-out track,
1178
01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:28,838
and we're all sitting
behind the board the next day,
1179
01:14:29,006 --> 01:14:30,486
listening to the various takes of it,
1180
01:14:30,591 --> 01:14:32,800
trying to decide
which take we like the best.
1181
01:14:32,968 --> 01:14:34,469
Bernie hadn't said a word.
1182
01:14:34,636 --> 01:14:35,970
So, I asked him over the board,
1183
01:14:36,138 --> 01:14:37,972
I said, "Bernie, what do you think?"
1184
01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:39,682
There's a long pause,
and he gets up,
1185
01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:43,853
and he stretches, and he says,
"I think I'm going surfing."
1186
01:14:44,021 --> 01:14:46,105
And he left.
1187
01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:55,698
I was caught in the middle
a lot of times.
1188
01:14:55,866 --> 01:14:57,742
And sometimes I would agree
with Bernie,
1189
01:14:57,910 --> 01:15:00,077
but most of the time,
I would agree with Glenn.
1190
01:15:00,245 --> 01:15:02,997
Glenn and I always wanted
the band to be a hybrid,
1191
01:15:03,165 --> 01:15:06,000
to encompass bluegrass
and country and rock 'n' roll.
1192
01:15:06,168 --> 01:15:09,045
There was a part of Bernie
that really resisted that.
1193
01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:11,464
After a while,
it became a real problem,
1194
01:15:11,632 --> 01:15:14,926
particularly between
Bernie and Glenn.
1195
01:15:15,093 --> 01:15:17,595
Finally, we were
at the Orange Bowl in Miami.
1196
01:15:17,763 --> 01:15:18,888
We were backstage,
1197
01:15:19,056 --> 01:15:22,517
and we were talking about
what our next move was gonna be,
1198
01:15:22,684 --> 01:15:24,084
what our plans were supposed to be,
1199
01:15:24,102 --> 01:15:29,524
and I was animated and adamant
about what we needed to do next
1200
01:15:29,691 --> 01:15:30,983
here, there, and everywhere,
1201
01:15:31,151 --> 01:15:34,445
and Bernie comes over
and pours a beer on my head
1202
01:15:34,613 --> 01:15:37,740
and says,
"You need to chill out, man."
1203
01:15:37,908 --> 01:15:41,285
I have no idea.
It was a spontaneous thing.
1204
01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:45,331
I mean, I take that incident now
quite seriously.
1205
01:15:45,499 --> 01:15:48,084
That was a very disrespectful thing
to do.
1206
01:15:48,252 --> 01:15:53,464
Obviously, it was intended to be
humiliating to him, I would say,
1207
01:15:53,632 --> 01:15:57,552
and is something
I'm really not proud of.
1208
01:15:57,719 --> 01:16:00,680
It did illustrate a breaking point.
1209
01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:10,731
During that time,
we got a couple shows
1210
01:16:10,899 --> 01:16:12,400
opening for the Rolling Stones,
1211
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:15,319
and Irving was managing Joe Walsh.
1212
01:16:15,487 --> 01:16:20,366
Joe Walsh was a bona fide
rock-'n'-roll guitar player.
1213
01:16:24,663 --> 01:16:27,832
So, for a couple of those shows,
just for our encores,
1214
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,001
we'd put Joe Walsh in a road box,
1215
01:16:30,168 --> 01:16:34,171
and we'd come back to do an encore,
and we'd roll the road box out,
1216
01:16:34,339 --> 01:16:37,466
and just like the model
jumping out of a cake,
1217
01:16:37,634 --> 01:16:39,677
we'd open the guitar case,
1218
01:16:39,845 --> 01:16:42,763
and there would be Joe Walsh
with his Les Paul,
1219
01:16:42,931 --> 01:16:45,975
and he'd climb out of the box
and plug in, and the Eagles...
1220
01:16:46,143 --> 01:16:49,061
We would play
"Rocky Mountain Way."
1221
01:16:56,695 --> 01:16:58,195
I loved the way he played.
1222
01:16:58,363 --> 01:17:01,616
I'd loved the James gang
when I was growing up in Detroit.
1223
01:17:01,783 --> 01:17:06,579
Now I started thinking,
"Joe Walsh for Bernie Leadon."
1224
01:17:18,884 --> 01:17:21,844
Okay, maybe the vocals
won't be quite as good,
1225
01:17:22,012 --> 01:17:24,472
but, boy, are we gonna
kick some ass.
1226
01:17:37,611 --> 01:17:40,321
I think one of the things
that I brought into the band
1227
01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:42,448
that was good for the band
1228
01:17:42,616 --> 01:17:46,202
was to bring it up a notch
when we played live.
1229
01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:50,581
Just keep kicking it in the butt
a little bit, you know?
1230
01:18:18,944 --> 01:18:22,530
All right, D.C.,
come on, give it up.
1231
01:18:23,782 --> 01:18:27,034
I went to a show
maybe eight months later,
1232
01:18:27,202 --> 01:18:29,787
and the band
are interacting with each other
1233
01:18:29,955 --> 01:18:32,415
exactly like we did
with me onstage,
1234
01:18:32,582 --> 01:18:35,167
except instead of me,
Walsh was up there,
1235
01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:38,546
and it just was, like,
really, really odd, you know,
1236
01:18:38,714 --> 01:18:41,549
to be watching it
and not be part of it.
1237
01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:43,467
So, I actually left that show.
1238
01:18:43,635 --> 01:18:46,345
I was just like,
"This is, like, too weird."
1239
01:18:46,513 --> 01:18:48,514
So, we got Joe Walsh in the band.
1240
01:18:48,682 --> 01:18:50,516
That's another adventure
1241
01:18:50,684 --> 01:18:52,643
because Joe was
an interesting bunch of guys.
1242
01:18:52,811 --> 01:18:53,651
Hey, I tell you what.
1243
01:18:53,770 --> 01:18:56,647
If you got firecrackers,
just wait until you get home,
1244
01:18:56,815 --> 01:19:01,193
lock yourself in the closet,
and light everything you got, okay?
1245
01:19:03,071 --> 01:19:04,405
Thank you, Joe.
1246
01:19:04,573 --> 01:19:05,698
He brought a lot of levity
1247
01:19:05,866 --> 01:19:08,325
to just about everything
that happened,
1248
01:19:08,493 --> 01:19:10,828
which was needed at that time.
1249
01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,413
Heads or tails?
1250
01:19:12,581 --> 01:19:14,081
Heads.
1251
01:19:14,249 --> 01:19:17,084
Well, I could use
a little head myself.
1252
01:19:17,252 --> 01:19:19,712
In those days, you didn't know
what he was gonna do next.
1253
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,340
It was fun most of the time,
although not all the time.
1254
01:19:23,508 --> 01:19:25,843
It was fun, depending
on how much you'd had to drink,
1255
01:19:26,011 --> 01:19:28,554
to see a television go sailing
off the 14th-floor balcony
1256
01:19:28,722 --> 01:19:32,433
and into the pool,
as long as nobody got hurt.
1257
01:19:38,565 --> 01:19:41,525
Joe Walsh was
the American King of room trash.
1258
01:19:41,693 --> 01:19:44,278
He had studied under
some of the best.
1259
01:19:44,446 --> 01:19:47,364
One of the most terrifying things
that ever happened to me
1260
01:19:47,532 --> 01:19:50,951
was that Keith Moon
decided he liked me.
1261
01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:53,537
All those Keith Moon stories
are true.
1262
01:19:55,373 --> 01:19:58,334
This guy was full-blown nuts,
1263
01:19:58,502 --> 01:20:02,338
and you never knew
what was coming next.
1264
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,931
Keith was my mentor at chaos,
1265
01:20:12,098 --> 01:20:16,435
getting arrested, practical jokes,
pranks, room damage.
1266
01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:41,502
One year, we gave him a chain saw
for his birthday as a joke.
1267
01:20:50,011 --> 01:20:53,138
By this time, we were eating
in nice restaurants
1268
01:20:53,306 --> 01:20:57,977
and buying expensive wine
and staying in great hotel rooms.
1269
01:20:58,144 --> 01:21:00,704
There were a lot of hotels that
we weren't allowed to go back to.
1270
01:21:00,772 --> 01:21:02,022
We were in Chicago,
1271
01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:04,108
and we were staying
at the Astor Towers.
1272
01:21:04,276 --> 01:21:07,111
In Chicago, here's what happened.
1273
01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:10,948
There was a knock on the door,
and in walked John Belushi.
1274
01:21:12,284 --> 01:21:17,162
John wanted to show me
the finer restaurants of Chicago.
1275
01:21:18,206 --> 01:21:19,915
So, we went to the restaurant,
1276
01:21:20,083 --> 01:21:21,963
and they wouldn't let us in
'cause we had jeans,
1277
01:21:22,043 --> 01:21:26,088
and he got the maitre d'
up to like $300 bribe,
1278
01:21:26,256 --> 01:21:28,465
and still they would not let us in.
1279
01:21:28,633 --> 01:21:31,552
And John said, "I know what to do.
I know what to do."
1280
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:36,473
And the next thing I knew,
we were standing in the alley,
1281
01:21:36,641 --> 01:21:41,228
and he spray-painted my jeans black
and made me do his,
1282
01:21:41,396 --> 01:21:44,148
and we went back, and we got in.
1283
01:21:46,151 --> 01:21:49,403
We were sitting
in these Queen Anne-period chairs
1284
01:21:49,571 --> 01:21:50,905
that had needlepoint,
1285
01:21:51,072 --> 01:21:53,866
and when we stood up,
that was all black,
1286
01:21:54,034 --> 01:21:56,785
and the butts of our pants
were jeans again.
1287
01:21:56,953 --> 01:22:01,081
So, we had to kind of back out
of there and leave fast.
1288
01:22:02,042 --> 01:22:04,501
But that was the beginning of it.
1289
01:22:04,669 --> 01:22:08,589
And so that night, with much glee,
1290
01:22:08,757 --> 01:22:12,509
Joe set about to set
the world record for room trash.
1291
01:22:14,429 --> 01:22:18,682
John and I did $28,000
of room damage.
1292
01:22:22,103 --> 01:22:24,772
Glenn and Don
didn't really ever approve
1293
01:22:24,940 --> 01:22:27,191
of the room trashing,
but they understood it.
1294
01:22:27,359 --> 01:22:29,693
They wanted respect
as rock 'n' rollers,
1295
01:22:29,861 --> 01:22:32,112
and Joe brought that respect.
1296
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:36,075
I was insecure always and afraid,
1297
01:22:36,242 --> 01:22:42,039
so I hid behind all of my hang-ups
with humor.
1298
01:22:42,207 --> 01:22:47,461
I was totally in awe
of Don and Glenn.
1299
01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:50,965
I was intimidated by Don and Glenn
1300
01:22:51,132 --> 01:22:56,136
because they sang so good
and they were writing stuff
1301
01:22:56,304 --> 01:23:00,432
I could never come close to writing.
1302
01:23:01,393 --> 01:23:03,769
After we just had
a bunch of hit records
1303
01:23:03,937 --> 01:23:06,689
on "One of These Nights,"
we were under the microscope.
1304
01:23:06,856 --> 01:23:09,441
Everybody was gonna look
at the next record we made
1305
01:23:09,609 --> 01:23:10,776
and pass judgment.
1306
01:23:10,944 --> 01:23:14,196
Don and I were going,
"Man, this better be good."
1307
01:23:15,949 --> 01:23:17,241
Look at that.
1308
01:23:17,409 --> 01:23:19,493
It's gonna be quite a nice guitar.
1309
01:23:19,661 --> 01:23:21,620
Felder, you see this?
1310
01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:23,956
Who, uh, who tuned this?
1311
01:23:24,124 --> 01:23:25,290
Well, it has no nut.
1312
01:23:25,458 --> 01:23:29,169
With Joe in the band with me,
I wanted to write something,
1313
01:23:29,337 --> 01:23:32,965
musically, that would fit
two guitar players,
1314
01:23:33,133 --> 01:23:35,175
that we could
play off of each other.
1315
01:23:35,343 --> 01:23:37,636
So, I was sitting on a sofa in Malibu
1316
01:23:37,804 --> 01:23:40,014
at this rental house
that I had on the beach,
1317
01:23:40,181 --> 01:23:42,224
and I was playing
this acoustic guitar,
1318
01:23:42,392 --> 01:23:44,852
and this introduction came out,
that progression.
1319
01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:47,855
I kept playing it
three or four times.
1320
01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:50,024
I had an old reel-to-reel
tape recorder,
1321
01:23:50,191 --> 01:23:53,569
so I went back and recorded
that introduction to that song
1322
01:23:53,737 --> 01:23:56,613
and laid down that progression,
made a mix of it,
1323
01:23:56,781 --> 01:23:59,366
and put it on a cassette
with, I don't know,
1324
01:23:59,534 --> 01:24:02,745
the other 14 or 15 pieces of music
that I had assembled,
1325
01:24:02,912 --> 01:24:06,290
and I gave a copy of the cassette
to Don, one to Glenn.
1326
01:24:06,458 --> 01:24:11,587
Don Felder used to send
Henley and I instrumental tapes,
1327
01:24:11,755 --> 01:24:12,796
song ideas.
1328
01:24:12,964 --> 01:24:15,758
95% of them were cluttered
with guitar licks,
1329
01:24:15,925 --> 01:24:18,594
and we would
listen to these things and go,
1330
01:24:18,762 --> 01:24:19,970
"Well, where do you sing?"
1331
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,515
As Don and I were listening
through one of the Felder cassettes
1332
01:24:23,683 --> 01:24:26,143
and this song came up,
we both sort of said,
1333
01:24:26,311 --> 01:24:28,604
"Hmm, now, this is interesting."
1334
01:24:30,356 --> 01:24:32,691
The music sounded to me
like some sort of a cross
1335
01:24:32,859 --> 01:24:35,694
between Spanish music
and reggae music,
1336
01:24:35,862 --> 01:24:37,488
and that one
really jumped out at me.
1337
01:24:37,655 --> 01:24:41,784
So, we set out to write
a song to that progression.
1338
01:24:43,620 --> 01:24:45,913
I'm pretty sure
it was Henley's idea
1339
01:24:46,081 --> 01:24:49,124
to have a song
called "Hotel California."
1340
01:24:52,712 --> 01:24:56,715
I think Henley's and Glenn's
lyric writing really came to a head.
1341
01:24:56,883 --> 01:24:59,551
They became real honest-to-God
songwriters then.
1342
01:25:03,681 --> 01:25:04,762
During the recording of it,
1343
01:25:04,808 --> 01:25:06,350
I thought that we were on
to something.
1344
01:25:06,518 --> 01:25:07,893
I knew we were on to something.
1345
01:25:09,854 --> 01:25:13,524
We were in a really creative phase,
1346
01:25:13,691 --> 01:25:19,196
and it just so happened
that Bill Szymczyk pushed record.
1347
01:25:20,365 --> 01:25:22,407
Thank God.
1348
01:26:30,351 --> 01:26:34,313
We've been asked a million times,
"What does that song mean?"
1349
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,982
Don and I were big fans
of hidden, deeper meaning.
1350
01:26:37,692 --> 01:26:38,942
You know, you write songs,
1351
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:41,862
and you send them out
to the world...
1352
01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:58,003
And maybe somewhere in that song
is some stuff that's just yours
1353
01:26:58,171 --> 01:27:00,172
that they're never
gonna figure out.
1354
01:27:06,638 --> 01:27:09,306
There has been a great deal
of ridiculous speculation
1355
01:27:09,474 --> 01:27:10,849
about that song over the years.
1356
01:27:11,017 --> 01:27:13,810
I mean, it's really taken on a life
or a mythology of its own.
1357
01:27:13,978 --> 01:27:15,687
You know, it's sort of like
the "Paul is dead" thing
1358
01:27:15,855 --> 01:27:17,481
or who was the walrus?
1359
01:27:21,778 --> 01:27:24,571
It's been denounced by evangelicals.
1360
01:27:24,739 --> 01:27:26,949
We've been accused
of all kinds of wacky things,
1361
01:27:27,116 --> 01:27:29,159
like being members
of the Church of Satan.
1362
01:27:29,327 --> 01:27:32,412
People see images
on the album cover that aren't there.
1363
01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:33,914
Just lunatic stuff.
1364
01:28:00,441 --> 01:28:01,692
My simple explanation is
1365
01:28:01,859 --> 01:28:05,612
it's a song about a journey
from innocence to experience.
1366
01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:07,072
That's all.
1367
01:28:31,347 --> 01:28:34,308
Whereas Felder was technically
very, very good,
1368
01:28:34,475 --> 01:28:38,061
Walsh brought spontaneity to it,
1369
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:41,940
and the two of them playing off
each other was just brilliant.
1370
01:29:00,001 --> 01:29:01,918
Out of great respect for each other,
1371
01:29:02,086 --> 01:29:04,254
there was always
a little competition
1372
01:29:04,422 --> 01:29:06,506
between Felder and I.
1373
01:29:06,674 --> 01:29:10,510
We always tried to kind of
one-up each other, you know?
1374
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:17,184
And that's really healthy.
1375
01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:20,771
It always made the song better
1376
01:29:20,938 --> 01:29:24,775
when we were kind of,
"Oh, yeah? Listen to this."
1377
01:29:32,533 --> 01:29:33,575
We got to the end,
1378
01:29:33,743 --> 01:29:36,870
where now is the harmony guitars
that are playing together,
1379
01:29:37,038 --> 01:29:40,123
and Joe said, "We should
do something that's like...
1380
01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:00,602
The ending of "Hotel California"...
1381
01:30:00,770 --> 01:30:05,941
that's one of my high points
of my entire recording career.
1382
01:30:13,157 --> 01:30:16,326
To have a seven-minute single
be number one...
1383
01:30:16,494 --> 01:30:17,577
that was unheard of.
1384
01:30:17,745 --> 01:30:19,037
The record company said,
"You got to do an edit.
1385
01:30:19,205 --> 01:30:20,247
You got to do an edit."
1386
01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:23,083
And we all said,
"No. Take it or leave it."
1387
01:30:23,251 --> 01:30:24,418
And they took it.
1388
01:30:26,462 --> 01:30:28,713
We had no idea that that song
1389
01:30:28,881 --> 01:30:32,300
would affect as many people
on the planet as it did.
1390
01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:37,055
Thank you.
1391
01:30:37,223 --> 01:30:41,226
The rest of the album kind of
developed around that song.
1392
01:30:41,394 --> 01:30:43,186
The album, you could loosely say,
1393
01:30:43,354 --> 01:30:46,565
is a thematic album,
a concept album.
1394
01:30:47,567 --> 01:30:49,276
Not unlike "Desperado,"
1395
01:30:49,444 --> 01:30:54,322
"Hotel California" was our reaction
to what was happening to us.
1396
01:30:56,159 --> 01:31:00,245
On just about every album we made,
there was some kind of a commentary
1397
01:31:00,413 --> 01:31:03,290
on the music business
and on American culture in general.
1398
01:31:03,458 --> 01:31:06,001
The hotel itself
could be taken as a metaphor
1399
01:31:06,169 --> 01:31:09,004
not only for the mythmaking
of Southern California
1400
01:31:09,172 --> 01:31:11,965
but for the mythmaking
that is the American dream
1401
01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:15,010
because it's a fine line
between the American dream
1402
01:31:15,178 --> 01:31:16,636
and the American nightmare.
1403
01:31:23,519 --> 01:31:25,645
All the songs
we write for this album
1404
01:31:25,813 --> 01:31:28,482
can fit inside this concept.
1405
01:31:36,866 --> 01:31:38,306
Once the rest of the guys
in the band
1406
01:31:38,409 --> 01:31:41,495
understood what the song
"Hotel California" was about,
1407
01:31:41,662 --> 01:31:42,996
it became kind of a theme,
1408
01:31:43,164 --> 01:31:45,999
and they started to customize
their writing to fit in with it.
1409
01:31:55,009 --> 01:31:57,511
I think that the Eagles
started breaking up
1410
01:31:57,678 --> 01:31:59,387
during the recording
of "Hotel California."
1411
01:31:59,555 --> 01:32:01,014
There were creative tensions,
1412
01:32:01,182 --> 01:32:03,141
but there was always
tension tensions.
1413
01:32:04,018 --> 01:32:06,937
By the time we got to recording
"Hotel California,"
1414
01:32:07,104 --> 01:32:08,313
if the song wasn't good enough
1415
01:32:08,481 --> 01:32:10,941
to survive the amount of time
we were working on the record,
1416
01:32:11,108 --> 01:32:12,388
it didn't make it on the record.
1417
01:32:12,527 --> 01:32:14,236
Perfection is not an accident.
1418
01:32:14,403 --> 01:32:17,322
Our goal was just to be
the best we could be.
1419
01:32:17,490 --> 01:32:20,325
We wanted to get better
as songwriters and as performers,
1420
01:32:20,493 --> 01:32:21,826
and we worked on it.
1421
01:32:23,496 --> 01:32:27,791
Don and I felt like there was
no space now for filler,
1422
01:32:27,959 --> 01:32:31,586
and Don Felder, for all
of his talents as a guitar player,
1423
01:32:31,754 --> 01:32:32,879
is not a singer.
1424
01:32:34,507 --> 01:32:37,133
Felder wanted to write more,
sing more,
1425
01:32:37,301 --> 01:32:39,010
and Felder had kind of demanded
1426
01:32:39,178 --> 01:32:42,681
that "I'm gonna sing two songs
on 'Hotel California."'
1427
01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:50,981
We were all Alphas,
1428
01:32:51,148 --> 01:32:56,111
and we were all very assertive
and powerful in our own way.
1429
01:32:56,279 --> 01:33:01,074
You could bring in a great track
to Don and Glenn
1430
01:33:01,242 --> 01:33:03,326
and be really excited about it.
1431
01:33:03,494 --> 01:33:05,912
This happened to Felder.
1432
01:33:09,709 --> 01:33:12,210
I wrote the track
for "Victim of Love."
1433
01:33:12,378 --> 01:33:14,921
It was gonna be a follow-up song
1434
01:33:15,089 --> 01:33:18,425
on the "Hotel California" record
for me to sing.
1435
01:33:21,429 --> 01:33:24,180
I have no recollection of anybody
being promised anything.
1436
01:33:24,348 --> 01:33:27,726
"Victim of Love" was not brought
to the band as a complete song.
1437
01:33:27,893 --> 01:33:30,061
It was simply
another chord progression
1438
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:31,605
that Don Felder brought in.
1439
01:33:31,772 --> 01:33:34,733
It had no title,
no lyrics, and no melody.
1440
01:33:34,900 --> 01:33:38,153
Glenn and I and J.D. Souther
all sat down
1441
01:33:38,321 --> 01:33:40,697
and hammered out the rest of it.
1442
01:33:40,865 --> 01:33:42,198
We did let Mr. Felder sing it.
1443
01:33:42,366 --> 01:33:44,784
He sang it dozens of times
over the span of a week,
1444
01:33:44,952 --> 01:33:46,244
over and over and over again.
1445
01:33:46,412 --> 01:33:49,331
It simply didn't come up
to band standards.
1446
01:33:51,709 --> 01:33:55,211
"Victim of Love" had been recorded
with Felder as the lead vocalist,
1447
01:33:55,379 --> 01:33:58,548
and my job was to take Don Felder
out to lunch or dinner
1448
01:33:58,716 --> 01:34:02,010
while they went in the studio
and put Henley's vocal on it.
1449
01:34:07,808 --> 01:34:13,021
Irving took me out and said
that everybody in the band thought
1450
01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:14,898
that it was better if Don sang that.
1451
01:34:15,066 --> 01:34:17,651
And it was a little bit
of a bitter pill to swallow.
1452
01:34:17,818 --> 01:34:21,446
I felt like Don was taking
that song from me.
1453
01:34:21,614 --> 01:34:24,449
I'd been promised a song
on the next record.
1454
01:34:24,617 --> 01:34:26,242
But there was no real way to argue
1455
01:34:26,410 --> 01:34:28,495
with my vocal
versus Don Henley's vocal.
1456
01:34:28,663 --> 01:34:31,539
There was no way to argue
with anybody's vocal in the band
1457
01:34:31,707 --> 01:34:32,832
compared to Don Henley.
1458
01:34:40,758 --> 01:34:42,842
Felder demanding to sing that song
1459
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:45,679
would be the equivalent of me
demanding to play lead guitar
1460
01:34:45,846 --> 01:34:46,846
on "Hotel California."
1461
01:34:47,014 --> 01:34:48,306
It just didn't make sense.
1462
01:34:52,645 --> 01:34:55,647
If you look at my vocal participation
in the Eagles
1463
01:34:55,815 --> 01:35:01,111
over the course of the 1970s,
I sang less and less.
1464
01:35:01,278 --> 01:35:04,989
It was intentional.
We had Don Henley.
1465
01:35:09,578 --> 01:35:12,163
Don and Glenn's position was,
1466
01:35:12,331 --> 01:35:16,793
"This is the best thing
for the Eagles."
1467
01:35:16,961 --> 01:35:19,796
And Don Felder never forgot that.
1468
01:35:31,726 --> 01:35:33,685
Get it! Get it!
Run! Run! Run!
1469
01:35:34,812 --> 01:35:35,895
Shit.
1470
01:35:38,065 --> 01:35:39,816
This is a real healthy thing.
1471
01:35:39,984 --> 01:35:42,694
It promotes good feelings,
you know, among the guys,
1472
01:35:42,862 --> 01:35:45,113
and it keeps us
from killing each other.
1473
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,575
Where's my glove?
Who's got my glove?
1474
01:35:48,743 --> 01:35:50,869
We can yell at each other
on a baseball field,
1475
01:35:51,036 --> 01:35:53,396
then we don't have to yell
at each other when we're working.
1476
01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:56,332
Get all my frustrations out.
1477
01:35:56,500 --> 01:35:58,042
What frustrations?
1478
01:35:58,210 --> 01:35:59,669
I haven't been getting laid.
1479
01:35:59,837 --> 01:36:02,589
We try to get out
and play softball with the crew
1480
01:36:02,757 --> 01:36:03,882
if we have a day off.
1481
01:36:04,049 --> 01:36:05,133
Swing, batter!
1482
01:36:05,301 --> 01:36:07,343
Oh, it's gone, it's gone.
It's gone.
1483
01:36:07,511 --> 01:36:10,221
Something to help
release the tension.
1484
01:36:10,389 --> 01:36:14,017
That's really what I do
to keep from going crazy.
1485
01:36:14,185 --> 01:36:16,728
How do you keep
from going crazy, Joe?
1486
01:36:19,315 --> 01:36:21,274
Well...
1487
01:36:23,944 --> 01:36:27,238
I tell you, I just, uh...
1488
01:36:27,406 --> 01:36:29,991
In the press and the media,
1489
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:34,662
it was presented
that we were constantly at war,
1490
01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:37,707
and I can't say
that's exactly the case.
1491
01:36:42,046 --> 01:36:46,299
We were interacting,
and we were all intense.
1492
01:36:46,467 --> 01:36:48,718
Glenn said to me one time,
1493
01:36:48,886 --> 01:36:53,223
"I get nuts sometimes,
and I'm sorry."
1494
01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:54,682
Hey, Joe.
1495
01:36:54,850 --> 01:37:02,315
But that tension had a lot to do
with fanning the artistic fire.
1496
01:37:02,483 --> 01:37:08,947
Having that dynamic was important
in making the music.
1497
01:37:11,158 --> 01:37:13,660
Well, we're rehearsing now,
and before we're even playing
1498
01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:15,620
and guys are just noodling around
1499
01:37:15,788 --> 01:37:18,039
and getting their amps going
and stuff, we hear Joe go...
1500
01:37:23,671 --> 01:37:27,006
You know, and everyone would
kind of go, "What did you play?
1501
01:37:27,174 --> 01:37:28,091
Play that again."
1502
01:37:28,759 --> 01:37:33,012
That was an exercise I was doing
because it's a coordination thing.
1503
01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:36,057
You know,
it's like one of these deals.
1504
01:37:36,225 --> 01:37:38,017
So, I was doing that to warm up,
1505
01:37:38,185 --> 01:37:40,228
and they said,
"Well, what is that?"
1506
01:37:40,396 --> 01:37:45,066
And I said, "Well, that's just
something I have, you know?
1507
01:37:45,234 --> 01:37:46,442
There you go."
1508
01:37:46,610 --> 01:37:47,652
That's the lick.
1509
01:37:47,820 --> 01:37:50,488
That's what we should
build the song around.
1510
01:37:57,663 --> 01:38:00,623
I was riding shotgun in a corvette
with a drug dealer
1511
01:38:00,791 --> 01:38:03,543
on the way to a poker game,
and the next thing I knew,
1512
01:38:03,711 --> 01:38:07,338
we were going about 90 miles
an hour, holding big time.
1513
01:38:07,506 --> 01:38:10,675
I was like, "Hey, man.
What are you doing?"
1514
01:38:10,843 --> 01:38:12,644
You know, and he looked at me,
and he grinned.
1515
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,597
He goes, "Life in the fast lane."
1516
01:38:15,764 --> 01:38:20,226
And I thought immediately,
"Now, there's a song title."
1517
01:38:31,780 --> 01:38:33,781
Then they put out the greatest hits.
1518
01:38:33,949 --> 01:38:35,158
There was a period
1519
01:38:35,326 --> 01:38:38,494
where we sold a million records
a month for 18 months.
1520
01:38:38,662 --> 01:38:41,080
It's a little-known fact
that the Eagles
1521
01:38:41,248 --> 01:38:44,918
had the biggest-selling album
of the 20th century.
1522
01:38:45,085 --> 01:38:51,549
But the music business never ever
got honest of its own volition.
1523
01:38:51,717 --> 01:38:54,427
No record company ever went
to an artist and said,
1524
01:38:54,595 --> 01:38:55,887
"You've done a great job.
1525
01:38:56,055 --> 01:38:58,097
We're gonna increase
your royalties."
1526
01:38:58,265 --> 01:39:01,059
So we created
our own promotion company.
1527
01:39:01,226 --> 01:39:03,895
We created
our own management company.
1528
01:39:04,063 --> 01:39:05,521
We had our own booking agency.
1529
01:39:05,689 --> 01:39:08,483
Stop any time.
1530
01:39:13,489 --> 01:39:20,244
We achieved an amount of success
beyond our wildest imagination,
1531
01:39:20,412 --> 01:39:24,123
and Randy really had trouble with it.
1532
01:39:24,291 --> 01:39:25,959
Bam! Bam!
1533
01:39:26,126 --> 01:39:28,544
Randy used to have trouble
singing the high note
1534
01:39:28,712 --> 01:39:30,152
at the end
of "Take It To the Limit."
1535
01:39:41,058 --> 01:39:44,602
Oh, yeah, I was always
kind of scared, basically.
1536
01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:45,770
"What if I don't hit it right?"
1537
01:39:45,938 --> 01:39:48,022
It was a pretty high note.
1538
01:39:53,570 --> 01:39:55,071
And in the middle of the fade,
1539
01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:57,991
you crank the volume knob
and go, "What?!"
1540
01:39:58,158 --> 01:40:03,246
Randy could do it,
but if you made him do it,
1541
01:40:03,414 --> 01:40:06,416
"Oh, no, man, I, uh..."
1542
01:40:12,881 --> 01:40:14,173
Thank you.
1543
01:40:14,341 --> 01:40:16,009
Randy Meisner.
1544
01:40:17,094 --> 01:40:18,928
He'd call the road manager and say,
1545
01:40:19,096 --> 01:40:21,264
"Tell Glenn I don't want to do
'Take It To the Limit' anymore.
1546
01:40:21,432 --> 01:40:22,432
Take it out of the set."
1547
01:40:22,599 --> 01:40:23,933
I confronted him about this.
1548
01:40:24,101 --> 01:40:25,501
I called him up,
and I said, "Randy,
1549
01:40:25,602 --> 01:40:29,439
there's thousands of people
waiting to hear you sing that song.
1550
01:40:29,606 --> 01:40:31,767
"You just can't say,
'Fuck them. I don't feel like it.'
1551
01:40:31,859 --> 01:40:33,735
Do you think I like singing
'Take It Easy'
1552
01:40:33,902 --> 01:40:35,463
and 'Peaceful Easy Feeling'
every night?
1553
01:40:35,571 --> 01:40:38,698
I'm tired of those songs,
but there's people in the audience
1554
01:40:38,866 --> 01:40:42,243
who've been waiting years
to see us do those songs."
1555
01:40:42,411 --> 01:40:46,539
We just got fed up with that
and just said, "Okay, don't sing it.
1556
01:40:46,707 --> 01:40:51,210
Why don't you just quit?
You say you're unhappy. Quit."
1557
01:40:51,378 --> 01:40:54,797
Randy never knew
how great he was.
1558
01:40:54,965 --> 01:40:57,133
He wasn't Alpha.
1559
01:40:57,968 --> 01:41:01,471
Confrontations were
really hard for him.
1560
01:41:01,638 --> 01:41:05,558
All I want to see is five guys
happy playing together, you know?
1561
01:41:05,726 --> 01:41:07,685
And that's what makes the music.
1562
01:41:12,357 --> 01:41:14,817
We were backstage,
and the crowd was going wild.
1563
01:41:14,985 --> 01:41:17,195
And our encore number
was "Take It To the Limit."
1564
01:41:17,362 --> 01:41:18,446
People loved that song.
1565
01:41:18,614 --> 01:41:20,656
They went crazy when Randy
hit those high notes.
1566
01:41:20,824 --> 01:41:22,992
But Randy didn't want
to do the song that night.
1567
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:24,410
He'd been up partying all night
1568
01:41:24,578 --> 01:41:26,454
with a couple of girls
and a bottle of vodka.
1569
01:41:26,622 --> 01:41:28,456
And Glenn kept trying
to talk him into it.
1570
01:41:28,624 --> 01:41:30,708
He said, "Man, the people
want to hear that song.
1571
01:41:30,876 --> 01:41:32,126
You got to do it."
1572
01:41:32,294 --> 01:41:34,170
And Randy kept saying, "No."
1573
01:41:34,338 --> 01:41:36,214
So after about the third or fourth
time that Randy refused,
1574
01:41:36,381 --> 01:41:37,924
Glenn just backed up
a couple of steps and said,
1575
01:41:38,092 --> 01:41:39,258
"Well, fuck you, then!"
1576
01:41:42,262 --> 01:41:44,388
There were police officers
standing backstage,
1577
01:41:44,556 --> 01:41:47,809
and when they saw us about to go
at it, they started to move in.
1578
01:41:47,976 --> 01:41:50,603
And Henley turned
right to the cops and said,
1579
01:41:50,771 --> 01:41:51,938
"Stay out of this.
1580
01:41:52,106 --> 01:41:54,565
This is personal,
and it's private...
1581
01:41:54,733 --> 01:41:56,150
real fucking private."
1582
01:41:57,986 --> 01:42:01,364
The writing was on the wall
that Randy was gonna leave.
1583
01:42:04,868 --> 01:42:08,996
There was only person
to ever replace Randy Meisner
1584
01:42:09,164 --> 01:42:12,208
in the Eagles in my mind,
and it was Timothy B. Schmit.
1585
01:42:14,378 --> 01:42:16,504
He replaced him in Poco
1586
01:42:16,672 --> 01:42:19,757
and plugged in
and sang the same parts.
1587
01:42:21,009 --> 01:42:23,302
And I remember sitting with Irving
and saying,
1588
01:42:23,470 --> 01:42:26,222
"Irving, I think we should
get Timothy Schmit."
1589
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:29,225
He said, "Well, I just saw Timothy.
I was out on the road
1590
01:42:29,393 --> 01:42:31,227
when the guys in Poco
were in the hotel bar,
1591
01:42:31,395 --> 01:42:33,646
and Timothy was smashed
out of his mind.
1592
01:42:33,814 --> 01:42:35,898
He was gacked up.
Are you sure about this?"
1593
01:42:36,066 --> 01:42:38,818
I said, "Irving," I said,
"If you'd been in a band
1594
01:42:38,986 --> 01:42:41,737
for 11 years and you were still
making $250 a week
1595
01:42:41,905 --> 01:42:43,197
working 40 weeks a year,
1596
01:42:43,365 --> 01:42:46,492
maybe you'd be a little smashed
and gacked-up yourself."
1597
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:49,912
They asked me to join their band
1598
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,915
before I even played
a note of music with them.
1599
01:42:53,083 --> 01:42:56,294
I just said, "You know,
where do you want me? When?
1600
01:42:56,461 --> 01:42:58,171
I'm definitely in."
1601
01:42:58,338 --> 01:43:01,507
We want to introduce you
to the newest member of our band.
1602
01:43:01,675 --> 01:43:02,884
He's our new bass player,
1603
01:43:03,051 --> 01:43:05,678
and we got him
from a really fine band... Poco.
1604
01:43:05,846 --> 01:43:08,890
Please give a nice Houston, Texas,
welcome to Timothy Schmit.
1605
01:43:14,104 --> 01:43:17,356
I went on the road with them
in 1978 as the new guy.
1606
01:43:24,031 --> 01:43:26,782
And I heard a few, "Where's Randy's"
from the audience, you know?
1607
01:43:27,701 --> 01:43:30,494
But I knew it was a good move
for them and me.
1608
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,545
There were a lot of decisions,
business-wise,
1609
01:43:39,713 --> 01:43:43,132
that needed to be made
in a secret session...
1610
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:46,052
Glenn and Don and Irving
in the back of the plane.
1611
01:43:46,220 --> 01:43:48,512
I didn't like
that I wasn't part of that,
1612
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:53,392
but I knew that it was good
for the Eagles.
1613
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:57,730
Don Felder really didn't like it.
1614
01:43:59,399 --> 01:44:01,567
Glenn and I saw ourselves
as the leaders of the band,
1615
01:44:01,735 --> 01:44:03,236
but other people saw us
as dictators.
1616
01:44:03,403 --> 01:44:07,198
You just cannot have
five leaders in a band.
1617
01:44:07,366 --> 01:44:10,826
It doesn't work. People have to do
what they do best.
1618
01:44:10,994 --> 01:44:14,664
There was all this undercurrent
and resentment
1619
01:44:14,831 --> 01:44:17,875
and, you know,
plotting and complaining.
1620
01:44:18,043 --> 01:44:21,545
And I'm sure Timothy thought,
"What have I gotten myself into?"
1621
01:44:21,713 --> 01:44:23,756
I was just really happy to be there,
1622
01:44:23,924 --> 01:44:27,260
and all these tensions...
it's not that I didn't feel it,
1623
01:44:27,427 --> 01:44:29,345
but I had no idea how deep it was.
1624
01:44:29,513 --> 01:44:31,973
In my experience,
all rock-'n'-roll bands
1625
01:44:32,140 --> 01:44:34,976
are on the verge of breaking up
at all times.
1626
01:44:37,521 --> 01:44:40,606
The band at that point
had begun to split up into factions.
1627
01:44:40,774 --> 01:44:42,858
Don Felder, in an effort
to gain more control,
1628
01:44:43,026 --> 01:44:44,402
had co-opted Joe Walsh.
1629
01:44:44,569 --> 01:44:45,736
So much of the time,
1630
01:44:45,904 --> 01:44:48,614
it was Felder and Walsh
against me and Glenn.
1631
01:44:48,782 --> 01:44:50,491
At that point, even Glenn and I
1632
01:44:50,659 --> 01:44:53,035
were beginning
to have our differences.
1633
01:44:53,203 --> 01:44:55,579
And it was tearing the band apart.
1634
01:44:56,665 --> 01:44:59,083
The magic ingredient
that made the band successful
1635
01:44:59,251 --> 01:45:01,377
was the relationship
between Don and Glenn.
1636
01:45:01,545 --> 01:45:04,714
Through years of touring,
years in the studio...
1637
01:45:04,881 --> 01:45:07,758
all of that friction
really started driving a wedge
1638
01:45:07,926 --> 01:45:09,885
in between that relationship.
1639
01:45:12,973 --> 01:45:15,850
It reached a point where we were
just tired of each other...
1640
01:45:16,018 --> 01:45:18,602
tired of the hoopla,
tired of touring,
1641
01:45:18,770 --> 01:45:20,730
tired of pretty much everything.
1642
01:45:20,897 --> 01:45:24,442
At that point, songwriting
was becoming very difficult.
1643
01:45:25,110 --> 01:45:26,652
How much sleep did you guys get?
1644
01:45:26,820 --> 01:45:28,112
When did you get finished
loading out?
1645
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:29,530
- 2:00?
- 5:30.
1646
01:45:29,698 --> 01:45:30,990
- 5:30 this morning?
- Yeah.
1647
01:45:31,158 --> 01:45:32,241
Okay.
1648
01:45:32,409 --> 01:45:34,910
After the success
of "Hotel California"...
1649
01:45:35,078 --> 01:45:38,956
Grammy winner, mega sales...
top that.
1650
01:45:39,124 --> 01:45:43,294
And we show up at the studio,
and nobody has one song done.
1651
01:45:46,214 --> 01:45:48,674
I don't know
what we'll do first, but...
1652
01:45:49,968 --> 01:45:53,220
I had enough of a piece
where they both went,
1653
01:45:53,388 --> 01:45:55,556
"That's great.
Let's develop that."
1654
01:45:55,724 --> 01:45:58,434
And I was really pleased
that they wanted to develop that one
1655
01:45:58,602 --> 01:46:01,687
because it came out more
as an R&B song.
1656
01:46:04,524 --> 01:46:06,359
And it's very simple.
1657
01:46:06,526 --> 01:46:09,570
Very simple instrumentation.
1658
01:46:09,738 --> 01:46:12,239
Very simple arrangement.
1659
01:46:15,535 --> 01:46:17,244
There's a lot of air in it.
1660
01:46:20,582 --> 01:46:22,833
That's why it works.
1661
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:43,562
About halfway through,
Don comes up to me and says,
1662
01:46:43,730 --> 01:46:46,190
"There's your hit."
1663
01:47:04,418 --> 01:47:08,421
We're on top of the world.
We're young.
1664
01:47:08,588 --> 01:47:11,424
We were overdoing everything.
1665
01:47:19,391 --> 01:47:23,185
There was a lot of chemical
dependency going on within the band.
1666
01:47:23,353 --> 01:47:24,937
And that was rough.
1667
01:47:26,857 --> 01:47:28,941
During all of that time
of writing and recording
1668
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:31,485
"The Long Run"
and all the time on the road...
1669
01:47:31,653 --> 01:47:33,293
we were on the road
during "The Long Run,"
1670
01:47:33,447 --> 01:47:35,906
we were all using cocaine.
1671
01:47:36,575 --> 01:47:40,035
When we first started snorting coke,
it was like a writing tool.
1672
01:47:40,203 --> 01:47:43,330
Do a couple bumps and kind of
get started talking about stuff,
1673
01:47:43,498 --> 01:47:45,082
get yourself going
1674
01:47:45,250 --> 01:47:48,752
and launch into some sort
of idea for a song.
1675
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:53,382
But in the end, cocaine brought out
the worst in everybody.
1676
01:47:54,468 --> 01:47:58,095
Yes, this half-hour of the show
is brought to you by cocaine...
1677
01:47:58,263 --> 01:48:00,514
the makers of hits.
1678
01:48:09,357 --> 01:48:11,775
Making that album was excruciating.
1679
01:48:11,943 --> 01:48:13,652
We were just completely burned out.
1680
01:48:13,820 --> 01:48:17,239
We had driven ourselves really hard
for almost a decade,
1681
01:48:17,407 --> 01:48:18,741
and we were just fried.
1682
01:48:19,576 --> 01:48:20,826
It was long, too.
1683
01:48:20,994 --> 01:48:22,870
I mean, the days and hours
would drag on,
1684
01:48:23,038 --> 01:48:25,239
and it would feel like
we weren't getting anything done.
1685
01:48:33,256 --> 01:48:36,008
It was more painful
than "Hotel California."
1686
01:48:36,176 --> 01:48:37,676
It was more of a painful birth
1687
01:48:37,844 --> 01:48:39,512
because all of this stuff
was going on,
1688
01:48:39,679 --> 01:48:42,139
and we were getting
pretty frazzled.
1689
01:48:44,935 --> 01:48:50,898
And the record company didn't care
if we farted and burped.
1690
01:48:52,275 --> 01:48:55,778
They would put that out.
They didn't care.
1691
01:48:55,946 --> 01:48:58,280
"When can we have it?"
1692
01:48:58,448 --> 01:49:01,617
Because that was
their whole corporate quarter.
1693
01:49:10,961 --> 01:49:15,881
At that point, we inked in
"The Long Run" as the title.
1694
01:49:16,049 --> 01:49:19,552
I think Henley said,
"Well, I know what to call this one.
1695
01:49:19,719 --> 01:49:20,970
Look at us."
1696
01:49:25,308 --> 01:49:27,726
Hold it. Stop.
1697
01:49:27,894 --> 01:49:29,395
That's it!
1698
01:49:31,231 --> 01:49:32,273
Song two.
1699
01:49:32,440 --> 01:49:34,733
Eagles... "The Long Run"...
song two take one.
1700
01:49:34,901 --> 01:49:38,195
It was a struggle...
an endless start-stop-start-stop.
1701
01:49:38,363 --> 01:49:41,073
We called it "The Long One."
1702
01:49:41,908 --> 01:49:43,993
It was the beginning of the end,
1703
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,204
even though I don't think
I saw it right then.
1704
01:49:51,334 --> 01:49:53,210
There were a lot of things
building up
1705
01:49:53,378 --> 01:49:56,213
and a lot of things I tried
to overlook for the good of the band.
1706
01:49:56,381 --> 01:50:00,551
And ultimately, I just couldn't
look past some of this anymore.
1707
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:04,096
And it festered because
we didn't talk about these things.
1708
01:50:05,140 --> 01:50:07,057
It finally came to a head
in Long Beach.
1709
01:50:07,225 --> 01:50:10,603
We were doing a benefit
for Senator Alan Cranston.
1710
01:50:10,770 --> 01:50:13,230
He was concerned
about a lot of the same issues
1711
01:50:13,398 --> 01:50:14,565
we were concerned about,
1712
01:50:14,733 --> 01:50:17,401
including environmental destruction
and the war,
1713
01:50:17,569 --> 01:50:19,028
so we wanted to support him.
1714
01:50:19,195 --> 01:50:20,863
Now, Felder didn't like us
doing benefits.
1715
01:50:21,031 --> 01:50:23,532
He just thought that was money
that should be going into his pocket.
1716
01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:27,828
Why were we doing it
for Jerry Brown or anti-nukes?
1717
01:50:33,543 --> 01:50:36,420
Alan Cranston and his wife
are coming around
1718
01:50:36,588 --> 01:50:40,132
to personally thank every member
of the Eagles for doing this.
1719
01:50:40,300 --> 01:50:44,219
I was very uninformed
about politics.
1720
01:50:44,387 --> 01:50:46,430
I could care less about politics.
1721
01:50:46,598 --> 01:50:48,974
I didn't even know or care
who Alan Cranston was.
1722
01:50:49,768 --> 01:50:51,935
And Senator Cranston
went up to Felder and said,
1723
01:50:52,103 --> 01:50:53,312
"I want to thank you."
1724
01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:55,840
And Felder looked at the Senator
and said, "You're welcome."
1725
01:50:55,899 --> 01:50:58,901
Then as he was turning away,
he said, "I guess."
1726
01:50:59,069 --> 01:51:00,152
"I guess."
1727
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,280
"I guess." And Glenn heard it.
1728
01:51:03,448 --> 01:51:06,950
And I just got really mad.
1729
01:51:07,118 --> 01:51:09,718
I was drinking a longneck Bud
and then walked into the tuning room
1730
01:51:09,829 --> 01:51:11,997
where Walsh and Felder was
and took the beer bottle
1731
01:51:12,165 --> 01:51:14,166
and threw it against the wall
and smashed it.
1732
01:51:16,127 --> 01:51:17,503
I stormed out.
1733
01:51:17,671 --> 01:51:20,673
I got more mad and more mad.
1734
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:23,967
By the time we went onstage,
I was seething.
1735
01:51:24,135 --> 01:51:25,761
I wanted to kill Felder.
1736
01:51:25,929 --> 01:51:28,263
Thank you again very much
from all the Eagles
1737
01:51:28,431 --> 01:51:30,099
and from Senator Cranston
1738
01:51:30,266 --> 01:51:33,143
for coming out here
and checking it out.
1739
01:51:33,311 --> 01:51:34,853
One, two, three, four.
1740
01:51:40,193 --> 01:51:44,321
A lot of tensions
between Glenn and Felder,
1741
01:51:44,489 --> 01:51:50,202
and the real manifestation of it
came that night.
1742
01:51:57,252 --> 01:51:58,412
So now we're playing the show
1743
01:51:58,461 --> 01:52:00,504
and trying to act
like everything's okay,
1744
01:52:00,672 --> 01:52:02,381
and we'll get through a few songs.
1745
01:52:02,549 --> 01:52:04,675
And I just keep
looking over at him.
1746
01:52:04,843 --> 01:52:07,302
"You ungrateful son of a bitch."
1747
01:52:14,060 --> 01:52:15,519
The scene there...
1748
01:52:15,687 --> 01:52:17,980
I really saw how serious it was
at that show.
1749
01:52:18,148 --> 01:52:19,648
They were fighting onstage.
1750
01:52:19,816 --> 01:52:21,275
Szymczyk's got audio of it.
1751
01:52:32,871 --> 01:52:35,038
So we started getting
towards the end of the set,
1752
01:52:35,206 --> 01:52:38,250
and I'm looking at him going,
"Three more songs, asshole."
1753
01:52:38,418 --> 01:52:41,086
You know, and I'm looking at him,
and I am ready to go.
1754
01:52:41,254 --> 01:52:45,090
I can't wait
to get my hands on him.
1755
01:52:45,258 --> 01:52:48,552
"When we get off the stage,
I'm gonna kick your ass."
1756
01:52:54,267 --> 01:52:56,769
Whoa. When that kind of stuff
is onstage
1757
01:52:56,936 --> 01:53:01,231
and you're in front of people,
you got problems.
1758
01:53:05,612 --> 01:53:08,197
Thank you very much.
1759
01:53:08,364 --> 01:53:10,949
We got through the show,
and it just...
1760
01:53:11,117 --> 01:53:13,035
all hell broke loose backstage.
1761
01:53:13,953 --> 01:53:16,872
When the set ended,
he was out ahead of me,
1762
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:18,457
took his cheapest guitar...
1763
01:53:24,923 --> 01:53:26,965
...busted it in a million pieces
1764
01:53:27,133 --> 01:53:29,176
and jumped in his limousine
and drove off.
1765
01:53:31,262 --> 01:53:32,721
And that was it.
1766
01:53:32,889 --> 01:53:35,098
That was really the straw
that broke the camel's back.
1767
01:53:44,609 --> 01:53:48,654
Someone wrote, "The Eagles went out
with a whimper, not a bang,"
1768
01:53:48,822 --> 01:53:50,447
which was true.
1769
01:53:58,289 --> 01:53:59,414
I didn't want to hear it.
1770
01:53:59,582 --> 01:54:02,668
This was, like,
my super dream had come true.
1771
01:54:07,507 --> 01:54:10,843
So I called Glenn, and I said,
"What is the status?
1772
01:54:11,010 --> 01:54:13,095
What's going on?
Is this thing really broken up?"
1773
01:54:13,263 --> 01:54:14,888
He said, "Yeah, it's over."
1774
01:54:16,933 --> 01:54:18,767
We were beat,
1775
01:54:18,935 --> 01:54:22,813
and it was really affecting
the foundational core...
1776
01:54:22,981 --> 01:54:24,523
the soul of the band.
1777
01:54:24,691 --> 01:54:26,817
We hit the wall.
1778
01:54:26,985 --> 01:54:28,306
You work, work, work, work, work.
1779
01:54:28,319 --> 01:54:33,031
You get up to a peak,
and then it's almost, you know,
1780
01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:37,619
invariably people head-butt
and, "Whose band is it?"
1781
01:54:37,787 --> 01:54:41,331
And, "I'm in charge," and,
"No, you're not," and there you go.
1782
01:54:49,716 --> 01:54:51,842
We had always said
that we wanted to step off the wave
1783
01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:53,969
just before it crashed
into the beach.
1784
01:54:54,554 --> 01:54:56,638
And we did.
1785
01:55:15,825 --> 01:55:18,076
The Beatle guys say
they never thought...
1786
01:55:18,244 --> 01:55:20,124
McCartney never thought
that band was gonna last
1787
01:55:20,163 --> 01:55:22,873
more than two years
because no pop band did.
1788
01:55:23,666 --> 01:55:25,250
I think it's part of it.
1789
01:55:25,418 --> 01:55:26,138
It comes together.
1790
01:55:26,294 --> 01:55:28,420
It's magic,
and it falls apart, you know?
1791
01:55:28,588 --> 01:55:34,009
But, you know, how cool
that it even happens at all.
1792
01:55:38,264 --> 01:55:39,514
It was magical.
1793
01:55:42,352 --> 01:55:44,144
They wrote
a lot of great, great songs
1794
01:55:44,312 --> 01:55:46,563
that will be celebrated
and listened to
1795
01:55:46,731 --> 01:55:47,940
and loved for a long time.
1796
01:55:49,817 --> 01:55:56,740
We managed to represent
that period of time in the '70s,
1797
01:55:56,908 --> 01:56:03,163
Southern California,
which was very artistically creative.
1798
01:56:03,331 --> 01:56:10,170
I hope that's remembered
like the Roaring '20s are, you know...
1799
01:56:10,338 --> 01:56:12,589
our generation and what we did.
1800
01:56:44,580 --> 01:56:48,166
We set out to become
a band for our time,
1801
01:56:48,334 --> 01:56:51,294
but sometimes
if you do a good enough job,
1802
01:56:51,462 --> 01:56:53,880
you become a band for all time.
1803
02:00:20,602 --> 02:00:23,437
A funny thing happened
right when we broke up.
1804
02:00:23,605 --> 02:00:29,235
1980 is when the format
"classic rock" hit American radio.
1805
02:00:29,403 --> 02:00:30,724
So even though the band broke up,
1806
02:00:30,862 --> 02:00:35,199
they kept playing our songs
all the time.
1807
02:00:35,367 --> 02:00:39,662
It was like we never went away.
We were still on the radio.
1808
02:00:47,004 --> 02:00:48,170
Somebody once told me
1809
02:00:48,338 --> 02:00:50,047
people didn't just listen
to the Eagles.
1810
02:00:50,215 --> 02:00:52,425
They did things to the Eagles.
1811
02:00:52,593 --> 02:00:54,594
They went on fandangos
and drove across the country
1812
02:00:54,761 --> 02:00:56,345
with three
of their high-school buddies.
1813
02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:02,018
People broke up
with their girlfriends.
1814
02:01:23,415 --> 02:01:25,958
People quit their jobs
or changed their lives.
1815
02:01:26,126 --> 02:01:29,378
They did things to the Eagles.
1816
02:01:36,595 --> 02:01:39,347
Songs from that album have even
been played in outer space.
1817
02:01:39,514 --> 02:01:41,474
And they used to pipe the music
up to the space shuttle
1818
02:01:41,642 --> 02:01:43,309
to wake the astronauts up
in the morning.
1819
02:01:43,477 --> 02:01:47,605
Shortly after having their breakfast
of steak and eggs and toast,
1820
02:01:47,773 --> 02:01:50,566
he then put on his space suit
and helmet.
1821
02:02:30,357 --> 02:02:31,757
That song has really gotten around.
1822
02:02:47,332 --> 02:02:48,332
There's been a lot of conjecture
1823
02:02:48,500 --> 02:02:50,501
about how and why
we got back together.
1824
02:02:50,669 --> 02:02:53,879
We began to realize
that we'd been away for 14 years.
1825
02:02:54,047 --> 02:02:56,924
Maybe we could have that rarest
of things in American life,
1826
02:02:57,092 --> 02:02:59,593
which is a second act.
1827
02:02:59,761 --> 02:03:01,011
You know, a second chance.
1828
02:03:11,314 --> 02:03:13,441
Thank you.
1829
02:03:19,364 --> 02:03:21,657
When we stopped, I was really sad.
1830
02:03:21,825 --> 02:03:23,868
Like, "What are we gonna do?"
1831
02:03:34,045 --> 02:03:36,088
No!
1832
02:03:36,256 --> 02:03:38,215
I was pretty devastated.
1833
02:03:38,383 --> 02:03:41,510
I had only been part of it
for barely three years,
1834
02:03:41,678 --> 02:03:43,262
and I'd loved it.
1835
02:03:51,438 --> 02:03:53,522
We created this monster,
1836
02:03:53,690 --> 02:03:55,441
and it took its toll
on all of our lives.
1837
02:04:14,336 --> 02:04:15,961
Somebody was quoted as saying
1838
02:04:16,129 --> 02:04:18,410
the Eagles would get back together
when hell freezes over.
1839
02:04:18,548 --> 02:04:20,841
So, hell froze over.
1840
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:34,814
We're all ready.
1841
02:04:34,981 --> 02:04:36,816
The gentleman in blue over there.
1842
02:04:36,983 --> 02:04:38,484
After the acrimony
and the bitterness
1843
02:04:38,652 --> 02:04:39,819
that marked the demise of the band,
1844
02:04:39,986 --> 02:04:42,655
it must have been a long road
to reunion.
1845
02:04:42,823 --> 02:04:44,824
Can you just take us through
the steps that you went through
1846
02:04:44,991 --> 02:04:48,536
on the road to reunification?
1847
02:04:50,455 --> 02:04:52,081
No.
1848
02:04:59,798 --> 02:05:01,131
Anybody want that one?
1849
02:05:01,299 --> 02:05:03,509
No, really, it's a fair question.
1850
02:05:03,677 --> 02:05:06,387
From the time
that we disbanded in 1980,
1851
02:05:06,555 --> 02:05:09,014
there were always offers
on the table
1852
02:05:09,182 --> 02:05:10,474
for us to get back together.
1853
02:05:10,642 --> 02:05:12,226
It started with the first US festival,
1854
02:05:12,394 --> 02:05:15,020
and Steve Wozniak wanted
to pay us a million dollars.
1855
02:05:15,188 --> 02:05:16,730
I said no.
1856
02:05:20,944 --> 02:05:23,612
I needed to do something else.
1857
02:05:34,207 --> 02:05:36,709
I called my first solo album
"No Fun Aloud"
1858
02:05:36,877 --> 02:05:38,794
because I was having
so much fun.
1859
02:05:38,962 --> 02:05:41,589
It was so liberating to know
that whatever I did
1860
02:05:41,756 --> 02:05:43,173
was gonna be more fun
than what I just did
1861
02:05:43,341 --> 02:05:45,509
for the last three years
on "The Long Run" album.
1862
02:05:47,429 --> 02:05:49,722
I knew I wanted to have
a songwriting partner,
1863
02:05:49,890 --> 02:05:51,432
so I asked my friend
Jack Tempchin
1864
02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:53,726
if he wanted to write
some songs together.
1865
02:05:54,394 --> 02:05:56,645
And Jack's a very bright guy
lyrically,
1866
02:05:56,813 --> 02:05:59,231
and so I started working with him.
1867
02:06:00,442 --> 02:06:03,068
He had become a disciplined
co-writer with Don Henley,
1868
02:06:03,236 --> 02:06:04,528
and when the Eagles broke up,
1869
02:06:04,696 --> 02:06:07,698
he just wanted to let go and have
some fun with music, you know?
1870
02:06:07,866 --> 02:06:10,659
So we were fiddling around
with some grooves,
1871
02:06:10,827 --> 02:06:13,245
and one of us said,
"You belong to the city."
1872
02:06:13,413 --> 02:06:15,373
And then we're going,
"Oh, yeah, yeah. That's it."
1873
02:06:26,593 --> 02:06:28,969
You just show up
and good things happen.
1874
02:06:34,392 --> 02:06:38,062
Henley's solo career
was really, really successful.
1875
02:06:40,774 --> 02:06:43,108
Going solo was
the scariest part of my life.
1876
02:06:46,821 --> 02:06:50,366
The whole MTV thing was a difficult
transition for me to make.
1877
02:06:50,533 --> 02:06:51,700
You know, the Eagles, at one point,
1878
02:06:51,868 --> 02:06:56,121
had been accused by some critic
of loitering onstage.
1879
02:06:56,289 --> 02:06:58,374
So it was difficult for us loiterers
1880
02:06:58,541 --> 02:07:01,418
to make the transition
to the world of choreography
1881
02:07:01,586 --> 02:07:03,629
and costume and acting.
1882
02:07:08,426 --> 02:07:10,469
Did I benefit from MTV?
Yes, I did.
1883
02:07:10,637 --> 02:07:13,037
You know, I made a couple of videos
that won some MTV awards.
1884
02:07:13,098 --> 02:07:16,141
Nevertheless, I would just as soon
have skipped the whole thing
1885
02:07:16,309 --> 02:07:18,727
because I considered myself,
first and foremost,
1886
02:07:18,895 --> 02:07:22,815
a songwriter
and a recording artist.
1887
02:07:22,983 --> 02:07:25,025
I didn't really want to be
an actor, too.
1888
02:07:26,778 --> 02:07:27,861
Nice, huh?
1889
02:07:28,029 --> 02:07:30,072
The guy who sold it to me
said it was a lemon.
1890
02:07:30,240 --> 02:07:31,782
But I'm telling you,
it may look like a cow,
1891
02:07:31,950 --> 02:07:35,077
but she runs like a stallion.
1892
02:07:37,122 --> 02:07:39,999
I always like to take
a good-bye look at America.
1893
02:07:42,502 --> 02:07:46,005
Just in case it's my last.
1894
02:07:46,506 --> 02:07:48,799
I acted in television, in movies.
1895
02:07:48,967 --> 02:07:51,844
I wasn't really thinking about getting
back together with the Eagles.
1896
02:07:52,262 --> 02:07:54,513
The guy's got an attitude problem.
1897
02:07:54,681 --> 02:07:56,140
Yeah, well, he listens to me.
I can help you with that.
1898
02:07:56,307 --> 02:07:59,018
Cameron would call me up and say,
"Glenn, I got to find somebody
1899
02:07:59,185 --> 02:08:00,811
that's not gonna take any shit
off Tom Cruise,
1900
02:08:00,979 --> 02:08:02,521
and I think you're the guy."
1901
02:08:02,689 --> 02:08:04,106
We have history, Dennis.
1902
02:08:04,274 --> 02:08:06,191
Oh, yeah.
We got history all right, Jerry.
1903
02:08:06,359 --> 02:08:07,276
No, no, no.
No, no, no.
1904
02:08:07,444 --> 02:08:09,153
Dennis! Dennis! Dennis!
Don't! Don't!
1905
02:08:20,999 --> 02:08:23,584
I signed Don Henley
to Geffen Records.
1906
02:08:23,752 --> 02:08:24,512
Now, you might say,
1907
02:08:24,586 --> 02:08:26,462
since the Eagles sued me
at Asylum Records...
1908
02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:27,755
DAVID GEFFEN
FOUNDER, ASYLUM RECORDS
1909
02:08:27,922 --> 02:08:29,214
...why he did come with me
at Geffen Records?
1910
02:08:29,382 --> 02:08:31,008
Well, David uses
the same pickup lines
1911
02:08:31,176 --> 02:08:32,468
every time he comes a-courtin'.
1912
02:08:32,635 --> 02:08:34,555
"You know how much
I care about you as an artist.
1913
02:08:34,721 --> 02:08:36,555
You know what a big fan I am
of yours."
1914
02:08:36,723 --> 02:08:39,224
And so I bought it a second time
and I signed with him.
1915
02:08:39,392 --> 02:08:41,226
And then things started
to fall apart.
1916
02:08:42,771 --> 02:08:44,813
I produced several hits,
1917
02:08:44,981 --> 02:08:47,524
but I could feel the support
somehow waning.
1918
02:08:47,692 --> 02:08:50,569
Don got into arguments with them
1919
02:08:50,737 --> 02:08:54,656
over things like budget, videos,
artwork, things like that.
1920
02:08:54,824 --> 02:08:57,242
I recall Don starting
to write letters to them
1921
02:08:57,410 --> 02:08:59,745
referring to them
as Nickel and Dime Records.
1922
02:08:59,913 --> 02:09:01,663
When you feel like your label
is not supporting you,
1923
02:09:01,831 --> 02:09:03,540
it's completely deflating.
1924
02:09:03,708 --> 02:09:05,542
I used to call him "Golden throat."
1925
02:09:05,710 --> 02:09:07,336
I thought he was
an incredible singer.
1926
02:09:07,504 --> 02:09:10,172
But, by nature, he's a malcontent.
1927
02:09:10,340 --> 02:09:12,174
He's always been a malcontent.
1928
02:09:12,342 --> 02:09:15,094
And, you know, that's just life.
1929
02:09:15,261 --> 02:09:17,429
So I just said one day, "I'm not
gonna record for you anymore.
1930
02:09:17,597 --> 02:09:19,056
I'm leaving."
1931
02:09:19,224 --> 02:09:21,558
And so he sued me
for $30 million.
1932
02:09:33,571 --> 02:09:35,948
My wife has M.S.,
and they deposed her,
1933
02:09:36,116 --> 02:09:38,117
dragged her all the way
from Texas to Los Angeles
1934
02:09:38,284 --> 02:09:40,786
to sit her down
in front of his attorneys
1935
02:09:40,954 --> 02:09:43,622
and ask her
a bunch of pointless questions,
1936
02:09:43,790 --> 02:09:45,457
because she didn't know anything.
1937
02:09:45,625 --> 02:09:46,959
I thought that was really low.
1938
02:09:47,502 --> 02:09:50,379
I said to Irving
over the Henley contract,
1939
02:09:50,547 --> 02:09:52,965
"I'd sooner die
than let you fuck me.
1940
02:09:53,133 --> 02:09:54,800
You'd better win this case."
1941
02:09:54,968 --> 02:09:56,468
It was settled, you know,
1942
02:09:56,636 --> 02:09:59,263
and that was the end
of that relationship.
1943
02:10:13,194 --> 02:10:16,655
I've realized now
that we have adult rock stars.
1944
02:10:18,741 --> 02:10:23,453
You don't have to give this up
when you turn 30 or 35 or 40.
1945
02:10:25,999 --> 02:10:27,958
I'll always make records
and write songs.
1946
02:10:28,126 --> 02:10:30,419
I got to do them.
Otherwise, I'd go nuts.
1947
02:10:43,516 --> 02:10:46,935
This is a tune that was written
with my new friend Mike Campbell
1948
02:10:47,103 --> 02:10:49,229
and my old friend
John David Souther.
1949
02:10:49,397 --> 02:10:50,606
When the band broke up,
1950
02:10:50,773 --> 02:10:54,026
Glenn started writing songs
with Jack Tempchin.
1951
02:10:54,194 --> 02:10:56,862
I guess the rift
between Henley and Frey
1952
02:10:57,030 --> 02:11:00,073
probably spread
to between Frey and me.
1953
02:11:00,241 --> 02:11:03,160
Glenn and I had had some
outrageously fun times together.
1954
02:11:03,328 --> 02:11:06,038
And then Don and I did
for a decade or so.
1955
02:11:29,729 --> 02:11:32,648
How have you changed
as musicians over the years,
1956
02:11:32,815 --> 02:11:36,068
both as a group and individually?
1957
02:11:36,236 --> 02:11:39,238
Well, your whole mandate
is just to improve.
1958
02:11:39,405 --> 02:11:40,864
You know, life is about improvement,
1959
02:11:41,032 --> 02:11:44,284
whether it's as a musician
or as a singer or as a songwriter
1960
02:11:44,452 --> 02:11:47,496
or just, you know, all the other
different hats we all wear.
1961
02:11:47,664 --> 02:11:49,831
So, hopefully,
we're just getting better.
1962
02:11:49,999 --> 02:11:52,501
We've been doing this
quite a long time now on and off,
1963
02:11:52,669 --> 02:11:54,836
and we feel like we've got it down
pretty good.
1964
02:11:55,004 --> 02:11:57,005
And, in fact,
we've had five days off,
1965
02:11:57,173 --> 02:11:59,091
and we're ready to go now.
1966
02:12:01,844 --> 02:12:03,136
When the Eagles first broke up,
1967
02:12:03,304 --> 02:12:06,598
I wasn't quite sure
what I was gonna do with myself.
1968
02:12:06,766 --> 02:12:07,891
So I just hustled.
1969
02:12:08,059 --> 02:12:09,977
I went just as a singer with Toto,
1970
02:12:10,144 --> 02:12:11,687
I played bass for Jimmy Buffett,
1971
02:12:11,854 --> 02:12:13,981
I went out with Warren Zevon
and Dan Fogelberg,
1972
02:12:14,148 --> 02:12:15,941
and stuff I wouldn't have
necessarily done.
1973
02:12:16,109 --> 02:12:19,695
I sang on Poison records
and Twisted Sister,
1974
02:12:19,862 --> 02:12:20,946
although you'll never see my name.
1975
02:12:21,114 --> 02:12:22,406
They never gave me credit.
1976
02:12:22,573 --> 02:12:25,450
That was more like yelling.
1977
02:12:26,286 --> 02:12:28,996
It's not all gonna be
the greatest thing in the world.
1978
02:12:29,163 --> 02:12:32,291
But if you can work and support
yourself and your family,
1979
02:12:32,458 --> 02:12:33,292
it's good.
1980
02:12:33,459 --> 02:12:34,418
Okay, next question.
1981
02:12:34,585 --> 02:12:36,962
Gentleman in the front here,
Richard.
1982
02:12:37,130 --> 02:12:40,340
What position do you think
rock 'n' roll takes now about drugs?
1983
02:12:43,136 --> 02:12:44,886
We came from a generation
1984
02:12:45,054 --> 02:12:50,892
that experimented with all kinds
of substances, of course.
1985
02:12:51,060 --> 02:12:53,437
I think our message is that
1986
02:12:53,604 --> 02:12:56,648
you can be a damn good rock band
without all that stuff.
1987
02:12:56,816 --> 02:12:58,483
I'd like to propose a toast
1988
02:12:58,651 --> 02:13:04,740
to dedicate this song to you,
to us.
1989
02:13:05,992 --> 02:13:09,536
The drinking man's musician,
Joe Walsh!
1990
02:13:22,383 --> 02:13:26,178
I ended up an alcoholic.
1991
02:13:27,889 --> 02:13:30,724
And very fond of cocaine.
1992
02:13:34,937 --> 02:13:41,318
If I was awake,
I was doing that stuff.
1993
02:13:41,903 --> 02:13:44,029
Good morning, rock fans.
1994
02:13:44,197 --> 02:13:49,201
In the very early years,
it had briefly worked.
1995
02:13:49,369 --> 02:13:51,328
Wow.
1996
02:13:52,997 --> 02:13:59,294
And then you chase it
when it doesn't work anymore.
1997
02:13:59,504 --> 02:14:01,671
And I chased it
for years and years.
1998
02:14:20,983 --> 02:14:25,570
"Could Hemingway have written
like that if he was sober,
1999
02:14:25,738 --> 02:14:28,490
or could Hendrix
have played like that
2000
02:14:28,658 --> 02:14:31,868
if he didn't experiment
with hallucinogenics?
2001
02:14:32,036 --> 02:14:33,412
Well, probably not."
2002
02:14:33,579 --> 02:14:35,539
I used that one
for years and years,
2003
02:14:35,706 --> 02:14:39,960
and it never occurred to me
that all those people are dead.
2004
02:14:40,169 --> 02:14:45,215
They got further and further away
from reality.
2005
02:14:45,383 --> 02:14:46,744
Should I look at you
or the camera?
2006
02:14:46,884 --> 02:14:48,927
Look at me.
2007
02:14:51,514 --> 02:14:55,767
I ended up in bad shape.
2008
02:15:16,914 --> 02:15:19,708
I had hit bottom.
2009
02:15:19,876 --> 02:15:23,086
And I knew that I was done
2010
02:15:23,254 --> 02:15:25,839
and that...
2011
02:15:27,383 --> 02:15:29,759
...I would probably die
if I kept going.
2012
02:15:38,978 --> 02:15:40,520
Joe was a mess.
2013
02:15:40,688 --> 02:15:44,691
He was around a bunch of people
that were really just enablers.
2014
02:15:44,859 --> 02:15:45,942
Nobody wanted to intervene.
2015
02:15:46,110 --> 02:15:48,153
Nobody wanted to tell him
he had a drug problem
2016
02:15:48,321 --> 02:15:50,322
or a drinking problem.
2017
02:15:50,490 --> 02:15:53,950
Everybody was just
going along with Joe.
2018
02:15:54,118 --> 02:15:59,664
I remember what we all did
when it was an art form, you know?
2019
02:15:59,832 --> 02:16:04,961
And I'd like to fight
to get it back to that.
2020
02:16:05,546 --> 02:16:08,298
And I was very, very happy
in the Eagles.
2021
02:16:08,466 --> 02:16:09,883
I was just gonna say
I'm sorry we broke up,
2022
02:16:10,051 --> 02:16:11,009
but we didn't break up.
2023
02:16:11,177 --> 02:16:12,469
We just stopped, I think.
2024
02:16:12,637 --> 02:16:16,681
We just said, you know,
"The heck with the '80s."
2025
02:16:17,433 --> 02:16:18,892
Song 3, take 6.
2026
02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:23,146
In 1990, we tried to get together
to refuel it.
2027
02:16:23,314 --> 02:16:26,775
Everybody was in on that,
but Glenn wasn't involved yet.
2028
02:16:29,862 --> 02:16:31,696
Irving got us together...
2029
02:16:31,864 --> 02:16:34,449
Timothy, Joe, myself,
and Don Henley.
2030
02:16:34,617 --> 02:16:36,701
Glenn was supposed to join us
in the studio,
2031
02:16:36,869 --> 02:16:38,537
and he was gonna bring
some songs in,
2032
02:16:38,704 --> 02:16:40,789
and we were gonna start making
another record.
2033
02:16:40,957 --> 02:16:43,416
So, we started rehearsing,
the four of us,
2034
02:16:43,584 --> 02:16:44,376
then we got a call,
2035
02:16:44,544 --> 02:16:47,837
I think, about the third or fourth day
in the studio
2036
02:16:48,005 --> 02:16:52,592
saying that Glenn had refused
to come be part of it,
2037
02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:54,135
to join the party.
2038
02:16:54,303 --> 02:16:55,512
So we just stopped.
2039
02:16:56,847 --> 02:16:58,723
He was still, "I'm not doing this."
2040
02:16:58,891 --> 02:17:00,141
Well, you know,
to tell you the truth,
2041
02:17:00,309 --> 02:17:02,978
I was having a fine time
doing what I was doing.
2042
02:17:03,145 --> 02:17:05,564
I mean, there's more to life
than being in the Eagles.
2043
02:17:05,731 --> 02:17:06,931
The moment was always gonna be
2044
02:17:07,024 --> 02:17:08,817
kind of when Glenn was ready
to do it again.
2045
02:17:08,985 --> 02:17:11,194
I think Henley would have been
more willing than Glenn.
2046
02:17:11,362 --> 02:17:12,862
For me, personally,
2047
02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:15,282
I think that I had proved
pretty much everything
2048
02:17:15,449 --> 02:17:18,326
that I needed to prove
in my solo career.
2049
02:17:18,494 --> 02:17:19,452
I had won a couple of Grammys
2050
02:17:19,620 --> 02:17:22,414
and had a few hits
and some successful tours.
2051
02:17:22,623 --> 02:17:24,791
And I had founded
the Walden Woods Project.
2052
02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:26,042
When you're a solo artist,
2053
02:17:26,210 --> 02:17:28,920
you have to take responsibility
for everything...
2054
02:17:29,088 --> 02:17:31,715
every mistake, every bad record,
every sour note.
2055
02:17:31,882 --> 02:17:32,922
But when you're in a band,
2056
02:17:32,967 --> 02:17:35,885
you get to share the praise
and the blame with your bandmates.
2057
02:17:36,053 --> 02:17:37,345
So, I was okay with the notion
2058
02:17:37,513 --> 02:17:39,639
of maybe going back
and being in a band again.
2059
02:17:43,477 --> 02:17:45,437
The thing that sort of
turned my head
2060
02:17:45,605 --> 02:17:47,856
was the release
of the "Common Thread" album.
2061
02:17:48,024 --> 02:17:49,774
Irving and Don went to Nashville
2062
02:17:49,942 --> 02:17:53,403
and they talked a bunch of people
into recording some Eagles songs
2063
02:17:53,571 --> 02:17:55,947
with the royalties going
to the Walden Woods Project.
2064
02:17:59,493 --> 02:18:01,094
I don't know who asked me,
but they said,
2065
02:18:01,203 --> 02:18:03,413
"Travis Tritt's gonna do a video
of 'Take It Easy'
2066
02:18:03,581 --> 02:18:06,791
and he wants to know if you guys
will be in the video."
2067
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:09,544
I said, "Well, okay."
2068
02:18:15,384 --> 02:18:18,053
Never really talked to Travis
about whose idea it was.
2069
02:18:18,220 --> 02:18:21,931
I think Irving probably had a hand
in that whole thing.
2070
02:18:22,099 --> 02:18:23,808
Was I trying to put
the band back together
2071
02:18:23,976 --> 02:18:26,144
by doing "Common Thread"?
No.
2072
02:18:26,312 --> 02:18:28,480
Was I waiting for the moment?
Yeah.
2073
02:18:38,949 --> 02:18:42,327
In the Travis Tritt video,
there was a little bandstand scene
2074
02:18:42,495 --> 02:18:45,413
and we all picked up our instruments
and started playing.
2075
02:18:45,581 --> 02:18:49,542
I was thinking, "Guys, come on."
You know?
2076
02:18:49,710 --> 02:18:52,003
You know, it's interesting.
After years pass, you know,
2077
02:18:52,171 --> 02:18:55,799
you really sort of remember
that you were friends first.
2078
02:18:55,966 --> 02:18:57,258
You have a lot
of common history together
2079
02:18:57,426 --> 02:19:00,679
and a lot of shared experiences.
2080
02:19:00,846 --> 02:19:02,972
I remembered
mostly the good stuff.
2081
02:19:03,140 --> 02:19:06,059
I didn't really think
about the bad stuff.
2082
02:19:06,227 --> 02:19:09,229
I just remembered how much
we genuinely had liked each other
2083
02:19:09,397 --> 02:19:10,814
and how much fun we'd had.
2084
02:19:13,693 --> 02:19:16,152
We realized, after the success
of the "Common Thread" album
2085
02:19:16,320 --> 02:19:18,905
that there were still
a lot of people out there...
2086
02:19:19,073 --> 02:19:22,117
a whole lot of people...
who wanted to see us play again.
2087
02:19:22,284 --> 02:19:25,164
You know, sometimes there's a little
bit of serendipity involved in this,
2088
02:19:25,246 --> 02:19:26,329
and I think what happened
2089
02:19:26,497 --> 02:19:30,542
is everybody's life
started to line up in a way
2090
02:19:30,710 --> 02:19:33,670
that now it made sense
for all of us.
2091
02:19:33,838 --> 02:19:36,840
And we discussed it.
2092
02:19:37,007 --> 02:19:41,094
Joe and Don came up and sat in
at a benefit that I did in Aspen.
2093
02:19:41,262 --> 02:19:42,887
We had a meeting in Aspen.
2094
02:19:43,055 --> 02:19:48,518
I was one of the first guys
that they wanted to try it out on.
2095
02:19:48,686 --> 02:19:52,147
You know, Joe was buzzed.
It was 1:00 in the afternoon.
2096
02:19:52,314 --> 02:19:55,400
You know, and he would say,
"Hey, I'm there, man.
2097
02:19:55,568 --> 02:19:58,903
I'm fine. Don't worry about me."
2098
02:19:59,071 --> 02:20:02,699
But Don and I could both tell
that he wasn't fine,
2099
02:20:02,867 --> 02:20:04,242
and we were worried.
2100
02:20:04,410 --> 02:20:06,035
They said what they wanted to do.
2101
02:20:06,203 --> 02:20:09,038
They wanted to try it,
get back together again.
2102
02:20:09,206 --> 02:20:11,499
They didn't know what I would say,
2103
02:20:11,667 --> 02:20:18,131
but I said, "I understand,
and, yeah, I can get sober."
2104
02:20:55,252 --> 02:20:58,087
We had to get Joe
into some sort of rehab,
2105
02:20:58,255 --> 02:20:59,964
and we couldn't be sure
it was gonna work.
2106
02:21:00,132 --> 02:21:01,674
So we better have Felder.
2107
02:21:01,842 --> 02:21:05,053
The Eagles reunion had better have
at least one of the two of them,
2108
02:21:05,221 --> 02:21:06,304
and hopefully both.
2109
02:21:06,472 --> 02:21:07,889
Irving called me up and said
2110
02:21:08,057 --> 02:21:11,518
that Don and Glenn and Joe
had gotten together,
2111
02:21:11,685 --> 02:21:13,770
and they were talking
about doing something,
2112
02:21:13,938 --> 02:21:15,021
and would I be interested
in doing it?
2113
02:21:15,189 --> 02:21:17,023
I said, "Absolutely."
2114
02:21:19,068 --> 02:21:20,735
One thing led to another,
2115
02:21:20,903 --> 02:21:23,947
and finally Irving and Don Felder
picked him up
2116
02:21:24,114 --> 02:21:25,824
and drove him to rehab.
2117
02:21:26,784 --> 02:21:31,663
I made a commitment to them
that I would clean up...
2118
02:21:32,456 --> 02:21:38,795
...and that I would be in the band
2119
02:21:38,963 --> 02:21:41,047
if that's what they wanted to do.
2120
02:21:50,391 --> 02:21:53,852
I'm really, really grateful
to those three guys...
2121
02:21:55,896 --> 02:21:58,565
...because I had...
2122
02:21:59,483 --> 02:22:05,280
...a really good reason to get sober.
2123
02:22:05,447 --> 02:22:11,494
And as soon as I got sober,
we started rehearsal.
2124
02:22:54,455 --> 02:22:58,583
From that first phone call from Irving
to showing up on a rehearsal stage
2125
02:22:58,751 --> 02:23:01,628
to start putting together
a show for MTV
2126
02:23:01,795 --> 02:23:04,923
was only a matter of weeks,
if not a month.
2127
02:23:10,471 --> 02:23:14,223
It was a little scary
rehearsing for the MTV thing.
2128
02:23:14,391 --> 02:23:17,518
Normally, I think people
would have their act down
2129
02:23:17,728 --> 02:23:19,145
a few weeks, at least,
2130
02:23:19,313 --> 02:23:21,439
before entering
into something like that,
2131
02:23:21,607 --> 02:23:25,485
but we just dove in headfirst.
2132
02:23:34,954 --> 02:23:36,795
Well, even though we had
rehearsed really well,
2133
02:23:36,956 --> 02:23:38,623
for the first time
to walk out on stage
2134
02:23:38,791 --> 02:23:41,292
and actually play as a band
in public
2135
02:23:41,460 --> 02:23:43,878
and kind of put the key
back into the ignition
2136
02:23:44,046 --> 02:23:46,005
and turn it over
for the first time,
2137
02:23:46,173 --> 02:23:48,341
it was really a lot of nerves.
2138
02:23:48,884 --> 02:23:50,677
Are we going the right way?
2139
02:23:50,844 --> 02:23:51,844
Glenn.
2140
02:23:52,012 --> 02:23:54,138
Not having played as a group
in 14 years,
2141
02:23:54,306 --> 02:23:57,725
the first night,
there was a lot of terror.
2142
02:23:57,893 --> 02:23:59,519
Gentlemen, good to be with ya.
2143
02:23:59,687 --> 02:24:02,105
Hope I'm with ya all night.
2144
02:24:02,272 --> 02:24:04,691
- Have a good one, okay?
- Okay.
2145
02:24:04,858 --> 02:24:08,236
- Showtime!
- Showtime! Showtime!
2146
02:24:15,285 --> 02:24:19,163
The audience was very kind,
and they were with us.
2147
02:24:19,331 --> 02:24:23,209
And that was good,
but it was rough.
2148
02:25:01,081 --> 02:25:04,584
Even when we went onstage,
we were definitely a little tight.
2149
02:25:04,752 --> 02:25:07,754
Until, I think,
Henley forgot the words
2150
02:25:07,921 --> 02:25:10,381
to one of the new songs...
2151
02:25:21,101 --> 02:25:23,519
You want to start again?
I'll tell you what.
2152
02:25:23,687 --> 02:25:29,025
This is television, so we get
to do this till we're happy.
2153
02:25:31,111 --> 02:25:33,488
Now, I thought you didn't remember the
third verse.
2154
02:25:33,655 --> 02:25:35,198
That was only the second verse!
2155
02:25:35,365 --> 02:25:37,241
I know. I know the third verse.
2156
02:25:37,409 --> 02:25:38,659
That was sort of the icebreaker,
though.
2157
02:25:38,827 --> 02:25:40,453
That was a good thing, ultimately.
2158
02:25:40,621 --> 02:25:42,997
I feel like Tommy Smothers.
All right.
2159
02:25:48,504 --> 02:25:51,631
We didn't think getting back together
was quite as legitimate
2160
02:25:51,799 --> 02:25:53,341
unless we had some new material,
2161
02:25:53,509 --> 02:25:56,803
so we're gonna put forth several
new songs for you this evening.
2162
02:25:59,306 --> 02:26:01,974
This first one Timothy B. Schmit
is gonna sing for you.
2163
02:26:02,142 --> 02:26:04,227
This is called
"Love Will Keep Us Alive."
2164
02:26:43,475 --> 02:26:46,018
After selling
100 million records worldwide,
2165
02:26:46,186 --> 02:26:49,355
was it real pressure on you
to write the new material
2166
02:26:49,523 --> 02:26:51,524
for the "Hell Freezes Over" album?
2167
02:26:53,152 --> 02:26:56,779
We didn't really look at it
as a body of new work.
2168
02:26:56,947 --> 02:26:59,157
It was more of a retrospective
piece of material.
2169
02:26:59,324 --> 02:27:02,243
And we look forward
to writing some new material,
2170
02:27:02,411 --> 02:27:03,494
perhaps in the future.
2171
02:27:03,662 --> 02:27:06,205
We can't keep recycling
this material,
2172
02:27:06,373 --> 02:27:09,041
although it seems to be working
just fine.
2173
02:27:12,796 --> 02:27:16,883
Don and I were trying to figure out
how to write another song,
2174
02:27:17,050 --> 02:27:18,885
and, I mean, really, if we could.
2175
02:27:19,052 --> 02:27:21,971
We hadn't written anything together
since, like, '78.
2176
02:27:22,139 --> 02:27:25,391
So it was a little awkward at first,
just getting back into the groove.
2177
02:27:25,559 --> 02:27:27,226
Yeah.
2178
02:27:27,394 --> 02:27:28,603
So, we go, 1...
2179
02:27:28,770 --> 02:27:31,022
Okay, here we are starting out
at 1, 2...
2180
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:32,356
During "The Long Run" album,
2181
02:27:32,524 --> 02:27:34,442
there were a lot of sessions
with Don and I
2182
02:27:34,610 --> 02:27:35,776
where nothing got done.
2183
02:27:35,944 --> 02:27:38,487
We were both a little bit reticent
to introduce our ideas
2184
02:27:38,655 --> 02:27:40,406
for fear that they weren't
good enough.
2185
02:27:40,574 --> 02:27:43,409
So when we sat down
to do it again in '94,
2186
02:27:43,577 --> 02:27:47,914
my first worry was, "Is it gonna be
as hard as it was in 1978?"
2187
02:27:50,250 --> 02:27:52,891
We were sitting around, "What are
we gonna write about?" and stuff.
2188
02:27:52,920 --> 02:27:56,380
And he said, "Well, I've got
this one title, 'Get Over It."'
2189
02:27:56,548 --> 02:27:58,299
And he sort of proceeded to tell me
2190
02:27:58,467 --> 02:28:00,760
what it was
that was pissing him off...
2191
02:28:00,928 --> 02:28:02,887
all these people
going on television
2192
02:28:03,055 --> 02:28:06,224
and everything that's wrong with them
is somebody else's fault.
2193
02:28:06,391 --> 02:28:08,434
"I'm just sick of all this whining,
2194
02:28:08,602 --> 02:28:11,437
and so I'm gonna write a song
called 'Get Over It."'
2195
02:28:11,605 --> 02:28:14,815
The intro, straight Chuck Berry.
2196
02:28:14,983 --> 02:28:17,818
Never play a 7, right?
2197
02:28:19,947 --> 02:28:22,823
So, then I said, "I think maybe
a Chuck Berry riff
2198
02:28:22,991 --> 02:28:24,951
would be a good way
to tell that story."
2199
02:28:25,118 --> 02:28:26,285
Time out.
2200
02:28:26,453 --> 02:28:28,704
Do you want to play the?
2201
02:28:28,872 --> 02:28:30,248
You want to do it on slide?
2202
02:28:30,415 --> 02:28:33,125
And then Felder and I will just play
power chords low and high.
2203
02:28:33,293 --> 02:28:35,461
And those guys will play
Chuck Berry low and high.
2204
02:28:35,629 --> 02:28:38,422
And we can do "Get Over It".
2205
02:28:38,590 --> 02:28:41,300
A couple little of them
slide answer licks is cool.
2206
02:28:41,468 --> 02:28:45,805
My favorite thing is when
Don and Glenn co-write stuff.
2207
02:28:45,973 --> 02:28:48,349
I like to play guitar to that.
2208
02:29:07,661 --> 02:29:10,454
You want me to sing it,
or do you want to wait?
2209
02:29:10,622 --> 02:29:12,331
It's 10 to 6.
2210
02:29:12,499 --> 02:29:15,584
You can sing it at 10 to 6
or 5 to 6.
2211
02:29:15,752 --> 02:29:18,045
- Do it again?
- Yeah, we'll do it twice.
2212
02:29:18,213 --> 02:29:20,756
Yeah, you could write it in
with the mike.
2213
02:29:21,883 --> 02:29:24,093
Captioned for hard of hearing.
2214
02:29:30,267 --> 02:29:32,476
It was really liberating.
2215
02:29:32,644 --> 02:29:34,520
We both walked out
of the session and went,
2216
02:29:34,688 --> 02:29:37,481
"God, we can still do it.
I can't believe it.
2217
02:29:37,649 --> 02:29:40,049
We just wrote a song together.
Maybe we can write some more."
2218
02:29:45,490 --> 02:29:47,742
That was a really good feeling.
2219
02:29:47,909 --> 02:29:50,995
It was a great sort of
artistic reconciliation
2220
02:29:51,163 --> 02:29:53,873
for us to have been able to sit down
and write that song together.
2221
02:30:26,365 --> 02:30:27,531
Get over it!
2222
02:30:33,121 --> 02:30:36,332
We did "Hell Freezes Over,"
and then we went out on the road.
2223
02:30:40,712 --> 02:30:42,880
That was the question
on everyone's mind...
2224
02:30:43,090 --> 02:30:45,800
what if we got back together,
and no one showed up?
2225
02:31:12,035 --> 02:31:15,079
We set it up to be
a three-month reunion.
2226
02:31:15,247 --> 02:31:18,332
I went back to my wife, and I had
two young kids at the time.
2227
02:31:18,500 --> 02:31:20,793
I said, "I don't know
if you're gonna recognize me.
2228
02:31:20,961 --> 02:31:23,462
I don't know
what this is gonna do to me.
2229
02:31:23,630 --> 02:31:26,340
But I hope I don't change too much.
2230
02:31:26,508 --> 02:31:28,134
Hang in there with me."
2231
02:32:01,001 --> 02:32:03,878
I was on the side of the stage
once at one of their shows
2232
02:32:04,045 --> 02:32:05,671
when they first got back together,
2233
02:32:05,839 --> 02:32:08,591
and Jack Nicholson was euphoric
2234
02:32:08,758 --> 02:32:11,635
listening to this band play again,
you know.
2235
02:32:11,803 --> 02:32:15,890
And he said...
2236
02:32:16,057 --> 02:32:18,684
"Repertoire."
2237
02:32:18,852 --> 02:32:20,561
What do you want to hear?
2238
02:32:32,782 --> 02:32:35,423
We didn't know how many people
are gonna show up for us to reunite,
2239
02:32:35,494 --> 02:32:38,204
but people came out in droves.
2240
02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:52,718
We were sold out everywhere.
2241
02:32:52,886 --> 02:32:55,763
Audiences were having
a fabulous time.
2242
02:32:55,931 --> 02:32:57,223
We were having a good time, too.
2243
02:33:32,259 --> 02:33:33,509
Heartache, baby!
2244
02:33:38,723 --> 02:33:41,517
I listened to the guys,
and Joe Walsh, for example,
2245
02:33:41,685 --> 02:33:43,602
is playing better and singing better
2246
02:33:43,770 --> 02:33:46,250
than I've ever heard him play
in his life since I've known him.
2247
02:33:54,155 --> 02:33:58,534
I didn't have time to really
sit around and miss alcohol
2248
02:33:58,702 --> 02:34:02,746
or cold turkey from more cocaine
or anything.
2249
02:34:02,914 --> 02:34:10,462
And I had to go in front of people
and play and sing sober,
2250
02:34:10,630 --> 02:34:13,591
which I hated, at first.
2251
02:34:13,800 --> 02:34:14,967
Ooh, that was scary.
2252
02:35:47,310 --> 02:35:51,146
When Joe first got out of rehab
and we started rehearsing,
2253
02:35:51,314 --> 02:35:52,981
he was still pretty dark.
2254
02:35:53,149 --> 02:35:55,859
But over the course
of that first year getting sober,
2255
02:35:56,027 --> 02:35:59,279
I think he found happiness again.
2256
02:35:59,447 --> 02:36:01,865
He found a way to be happy.
2257
02:36:07,580 --> 02:36:08,789
You look very pretty.
2258
02:36:08,957 --> 02:36:10,499
It's okay. Once more.
2259
02:36:10,667 --> 02:36:12,501
Oh, now, are you ready?
2260
02:36:12,669 --> 02:36:14,878
Father, daughter, take one.
2261
02:36:15,714 --> 02:36:19,091
We got that family thing
to ground us all now.
2262
02:36:19,259 --> 02:36:21,844
It's really sort of
our common thread.
2263
02:36:22,011 --> 02:36:23,262
We've all got kids.
2264
02:36:23,430 --> 02:36:25,639
It changes your life
2265
02:36:25,807 --> 02:36:28,726
and your perspective
on your work, as well.
2266
02:36:40,488 --> 02:36:43,365
So, the tour was
so enormously successful
2267
02:36:43,533 --> 02:36:45,200
that we sort of didn't want
to give that up, you know?
2268
02:36:45,368 --> 02:36:49,037
It's like, "Okay, this is good.
I could do this for a while."
2269
02:37:32,207 --> 02:37:33,916
Doing a concert
is a strange combination
2270
02:37:34,083 --> 02:37:35,709
of conscious and subconscious acts.
2271
02:37:35,877 --> 02:37:38,170
You're not really thinking
about what you're doing
2272
02:37:38,338 --> 02:37:39,922
because you know it so well,
you're just doing it.
2273
02:37:40,089 --> 02:37:42,290
On the other hand, you have to put
some emotion into it.
2274
02:37:42,342 --> 02:37:44,183
When you've got a crowd
that's cheering you on,
2275
02:37:44,344 --> 02:37:46,470
it doesn't matter how many times
you've sung the song.
2276
02:37:46,638 --> 02:37:47,846
You just do it.
2277
02:38:35,311 --> 02:38:36,728
We've played all over the world,
2278
02:38:36,896 --> 02:38:38,814
and probably,
if we could write the script,
2279
02:38:38,982 --> 02:38:41,066
it was probably a genius move.
2280
02:38:41,234 --> 02:38:43,652
'Cause when we come back,
it's bigger than ever.
2281
02:38:43,820 --> 02:38:47,656
How much money do you expect
to gross with this European tour?
2282
02:38:47,824 --> 02:38:49,533
Irving?
2283
02:38:49,701 --> 02:38:51,660
I actually haven't added it up,
but I will tell you that...
2284
02:38:51,828 --> 02:38:53,036
Good answer.
2285
02:38:54,539 --> 02:38:56,790
One thing,
2286
02:38:56,958 --> 02:39:00,502
the cost of being a touring
rock-'n'-roll band in Europe
2287
02:39:00,670 --> 02:39:03,213
are beyond our wildest imaginations,
2288
02:39:03,381 --> 02:39:05,424
but this band is here in Europe
2289
02:39:05,592 --> 02:39:07,551
because there was demand for us
to be here.
2290
02:39:07,719 --> 02:39:11,221
And it's not nearly as lucrative
as anything we've done before.
2291
02:39:13,308 --> 02:39:14,975
It isn't?
2292
02:39:21,524 --> 02:39:23,984
Offers started coming in
for us to do more shows,
2293
02:39:24,152 --> 02:39:25,235
and I just sort of said,
2294
02:39:25,403 --> 02:39:27,613
"Well, book some more.
It doesn't have to end now.
2295
02:39:27,780 --> 02:39:29,072
Book some more.
Where else can we play?"
2296
02:39:29,240 --> 02:39:30,198
"Well, you haven't been in Europe."
2297
02:39:30,366 --> 02:39:32,242
"Well, let's go there."
2298
02:40:15,995 --> 02:40:17,663
How's it go?
2299
02:40:42,355 --> 02:40:44,064
We had drawn a line in the sand
2300
02:40:44,232 --> 02:40:47,609
and said, "No drugs or alcohol
during any band activities."
2301
02:40:47,777 --> 02:40:49,528
And as a result,
2302
02:40:49,696 --> 02:40:51,947
we're playing and singing
pretty damn good.
2303
02:40:57,787 --> 02:41:00,107
I think the thing that brings them
together is the harmony.
2304
02:41:00,123 --> 02:41:03,375
When they start hearing that
and how seamless and how perfect,
2305
02:41:03,543 --> 02:41:05,877
they get as thrilled
as the audiences do,
2306
02:41:06,045 --> 02:41:07,421
that "We can still do this."
2307
02:41:30,236 --> 02:41:31,737
We can't really understand it.
2308
02:41:31,904 --> 02:41:33,864
It's just the chemistry that works.
2309
02:41:34,032 --> 02:41:36,158
And we gave up
trying to understand it.
2310
02:41:36,325 --> 02:41:37,576
It just works.
2311
02:41:37,744 --> 02:41:39,911
We're just gonna do one verse
the "New Kid."
2312
02:41:40,079 --> 02:41:41,872
- One verse the "New Kid."
- Okay.
2313
02:41:42,040 --> 02:41:43,749
- Joe's singing "Smuggler's Blues."
- Okay.
2314
02:41:43,916 --> 02:41:46,084
I'll just do the beginning
of "Funk 49."
2315
02:41:46,252 --> 02:41:47,627
And then I'm gonna go pee.
2316
02:41:47,795 --> 02:41:49,755
- Yeah.
- Then I'll go pee.
2317
02:41:49,922 --> 02:41:51,506
1, 2, 3.
2318
02:43:33,067 --> 02:43:34,860
All right, boys!
2319
02:43:35,027 --> 02:43:37,237
We ended up
going all around the world
2320
02:43:37,405 --> 02:43:40,323
in about two years and nine months.
2321
02:43:58,301 --> 02:44:01,094
Thank you, Dublin!
2322
02:44:06,684 --> 02:44:09,603
We've learned not to make
career decisions
2323
02:44:09,770 --> 02:44:11,897
at the end of long tours.
2324
02:44:12,064 --> 02:44:13,523
If we break up again, though,
you won't hear about it.
2325
02:44:13,691 --> 02:44:15,400
We'll just go quietly.
2326
02:44:15,568 --> 02:44:17,319
And we'll say we're still together.
2327
02:44:17,486 --> 02:44:18,653
Yeah.
2328
02:44:20,865 --> 02:44:23,450
They've laughed, cried, fought,
2329
02:44:23,618 --> 02:44:26,620
but most of all,
they have beaten the odds
2330
02:44:26,787 --> 02:44:28,330
and are as popular today
2331
02:44:28,497 --> 02:44:32,500
as they were in that incredible
summer back in 1972.
2332
02:44:32,668 --> 02:44:35,837
It is an honor and a pleasure
to introduce the Eagles.
2333
02:44:41,427 --> 02:44:44,054
A lot has been talked about
and speculated about
2334
02:44:44,222 --> 02:44:47,766
over the last 27 years
about whether or not we got along.
2335
02:44:47,934 --> 02:44:52,395
We got along fine.
We just disagreed a lot.
2336
02:44:52,563 --> 02:44:55,941
I was not in the trenches
with this particular band,
2337
02:44:56,108 --> 02:44:58,485
so I'd like to thank
my predecessor, Randy Meisner,
2338
02:44:58,653 --> 02:44:59,903
for being there.
2339
02:45:00,071 --> 02:45:03,949
I'm glad that Randy and Bernie
got recognized.
2340
02:45:04,116 --> 02:45:05,867
I think that's appropriate.
2341
02:45:08,120 --> 02:45:09,496
Hey, how you doin'?
2342
02:45:09,664 --> 02:45:11,039
It's a good feeling.
2343
02:45:11,207 --> 02:45:14,376
Looks good on my resume.
2344
02:45:17,088 --> 02:45:20,382
I'd really like to thank Don and Glenn
for writing those songs.
2345
02:45:20,549 --> 02:45:22,217
Thank you, guys.
2346
02:45:22,385 --> 02:45:23,969
It makes my job real easy.
2347
02:45:24,136 --> 02:45:26,054
Thank you!
2348
02:45:27,974 --> 02:45:30,225
Charming outfit, Joe.
2349
02:45:31,269 --> 02:45:34,062
I'd like to, again, thank
Don Henley and Glenn Frey
2350
02:45:34,230 --> 02:45:35,730
for writing an incredible
body of work
2351
02:45:35,898 --> 02:45:40,026
that's propelled this band through
20-some-odd years' worth of life.
2352
02:45:40,194 --> 02:45:41,194
Thank you, guys.
2353
02:45:41,362 --> 02:45:44,322
When a kid first picks up
a guitar or a drumstick,
2354
02:45:44,490 --> 02:45:46,116
it's not really to be famous.
2355
02:45:46,284 --> 02:45:48,618
It's because that kid wants
to fit in somewhere
2356
02:45:48,786 --> 02:45:50,412
and he wants to be accepted,
2357
02:45:50,579 --> 02:45:53,498
and he wants to be
understood, even.
2358
02:45:53,666 --> 02:45:57,711
And so, I like to think
of this award
2359
02:45:57,878 --> 02:45:59,671
as something
that is acknowledging us
2360
02:45:59,839 --> 02:46:03,425
not for being famous,
but for doing the work.
2361
02:46:03,592 --> 02:46:05,051
And I appreciate all the work
2362
02:46:05,219 --> 02:46:07,178
that all these guys behind me
have done.
2363
02:46:07,346 --> 02:46:08,847
I want to thank Irving Azoff,
2364
02:46:09,015 --> 02:46:12,017
without whom
we wouldn't be here today.
2365
02:46:13,519 --> 02:46:16,855
As I've said before, he may be
Satan, but he's our Satan.
2366
02:46:18,858 --> 02:46:21,109
We're in a dog-eat-dog business.
2367
02:46:21,277 --> 02:46:23,403
Show me anybody
that's gonna be responsible
2368
02:46:23,571 --> 02:46:26,448
for guiding or managing
an artist's career
2369
02:46:26,615 --> 02:46:27,775
that's made too many friends,
2370
02:46:27,908 --> 02:46:30,285
and I'm gonna show you somebody
that's sold out their artist
2371
02:46:30,453 --> 02:46:32,162
and done a crappy job.
2372
02:46:32,330 --> 02:46:37,125
So, I was quite proud of Henley's
reference of what he said.
2373
02:46:37,293 --> 02:46:40,837
It was more or less, for me,
a validation of a job well done.
2374
02:46:41,047 --> 02:46:45,050
A lot of my job was trying to keep
the band from breaking up.
2375
02:46:45,217 --> 02:46:46,301
In the '70s,
2376
02:46:46,469 --> 02:46:48,803
we formed a corporation
called Eagles, Limited.
2377
02:46:48,971 --> 02:46:51,806
And that was all-for-one
and one-for-all.
2378
02:46:51,974 --> 02:46:54,351
Well, it wasn't
the three musketeers.
2379
02:46:54,518 --> 02:46:56,644
As our friend J.D. Souther
used to say,
2380
02:46:56,812 --> 02:46:59,522
"Time passes, things change."
2381
02:46:59,690 --> 02:47:00,940
In talking with Irving
2382
02:47:01,108 --> 02:47:03,985
about putting the Eagles
back together in 1994,
2383
02:47:04,153 --> 02:47:05,987
I said, "Irving, I'm not gonna do it
2384
02:47:06,155 --> 02:47:08,740
unless Don and I make more money
than the other guys."
2385
02:47:10,242 --> 02:47:12,744
"We're the only guys who have
done anything career-wise
2386
02:47:12,912 --> 02:47:14,537
in the last 14 years.
2387
02:47:14,705 --> 02:47:17,832
We're the guys that have kept
the Eagles' name alive on radio,
2388
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:19,834
television, and in concert halls."
2389
02:47:20,002 --> 02:47:21,961
So we came up with a deal
2390
02:47:22,129 --> 02:47:24,923
that I was happy with,
and Don was happy with,
2391
02:47:25,091 --> 02:47:28,009
Timothy was happy with,
Joe was happy with,
2392
02:47:28,177 --> 02:47:29,928
and Don Felder was not happy with.
2393
02:47:30,096 --> 02:47:31,930
And I called
Felder's representative.
2394
02:47:32,098 --> 02:47:34,307
And I said, "Hello, Barry.
This is Glenn Frey.
2395
02:47:34,475 --> 02:47:37,727
I'm sorry you happen to represent
the only asshole in the band,
2396
02:47:37,895 --> 02:47:39,270
but let me tell you something.
2397
02:47:39,438 --> 02:47:42,732
You either sign this agreement
before the sun goes down today,
2398
02:47:42,900 --> 02:47:44,859
or we're replacing Don Felder.
2399
02:47:45,027 --> 02:47:46,152
That's the final deal.
2400
02:47:46,320 --> 02:47:49,239
He signs by sunset,
or he's out of the fucking band."
2401
02:47:49,407 --> 02:47:51,616
Hung up.
2402
02:47:51,784 --> 02:47:56,538
So, he signed the deal,
and we started out on the tour.
2403
02:47:56,705 --> 02:47:59,958
I didn't sense a great deal
of comaraderie.
2404
02:48:00,126 --> 02:48:01,501
You hardly saw anybody
2405
02:48:01,669 --> 02:48:05,130
if it wasn't walking on the plane
or walking onto the stage.
2406
02:48:05,297 --> 02:48:07,549
Everyone thought,
"Well, if we don't get together,
2407
02:48:07,716 --> 02:48:09,300
we won't have problems."
2408
02:48:09,468 --> 02:48:11,886
And I think instead of being able
to sit down and have a beer
2409
02:48:12,054 --> 02:48:15,807
and talk about stuff and renew
a relationship with everyone,
2410
02:48:15,975 --> 02:48:18,435
that independent isolation
2411
02:48:18,602 --> 02:48:23,148
really didn't add the comfort
necessary to make it work.
2412
02:48:23,315 --> 02:48:27,652
Don Felder was
never, ever satisfied,
2413
02:48:27,820 --> 02:48:29,529
never, ever happy.
2414
02:48:31,824 --> 02:48:34,659
A rock band
is not a perfect democracy.
2415
02:48:34,827 --> 02:48:36,286
It's more like a sports team.
2416
02:48:36,454 --> 02:48:38,872
No one can do anything
without the other guys,
2417
02:48:39,039 --> 02:48:42,459
but everybody doesn't get to touch
the ball all the time.
2418
02:48:43,169 --> 02:48:44,711
Time went on, and time went on,
2419
02:48:44,879 --> 02:48:47,839
and Felder became
more and more unhappy.
2420
02:48:48,007 --> 02:48:50,467
Couldn't appreciate the amount
of money he was making,
2421
02:48:50,634 --> 02:48:54,471
more concerned about
how much money I was making.
2422
02:48:59,185 --> 02:49:01,603
If Don Felder really thought
about it,
2423
02:49:01,770 --> 02:49:04,814
it really was he wanted it to be
a "band" band
2424
02:49:04,982 --> 02:49:07,025
in the purest sense of the words,
2425
02:49:07,193 --> 02:49:09,073
you know, we're all gonna get
equal songwriting,
2426
02:49:09,236 --> 02:49:10,862
singing, expression stuff,
2427
02:49:11,030 --> 02:49:13,406
and this was not a hippie commune.
2428
02:49:13,574 --> 02:49:15,116
You know, and everything for them
2429
02:49:15,284 --> 02:49:17,577
really goes back
to those two words... song power.
2430
02:49:19,705 --> 02:49:22,290
We finally made the decision
2431
02:49:22,458 --> 02:49:25,084
that we won't be working
with him anymore.
2432
02:49:25,252 --> 02:49:26,628
It just broke my heart.
2433
02:49:27,546 --> 02:49:30,006
It's not just playing with Joe.
2434
02:49:30,174 --> 02:49:32,592
I missed these guys.
2435
02:49:32,760 --> 02:49:36,221
But I really missed the friendship
and the music.
2436
02:49:38,974 --> 02:49:40,475
Okay.
2437
02:49:40,643 --> 02:49:41,476
Strong.
2438
02:49:41,644 --> 02:49:43,353
Good. Good, good, good.
Good shot.
2439
02:49:43,521 --> 02:49:45,813
Glenn and I, when it comes time
to make band decisions,
2440
02:49:45,981 --> 02:49:47,774
usually stick together.
2441
02:49:47,942 --> 02:49:51,819
It's difficult for four or five people
to have an equal say.
2442
02:49:51,987 --> 02:49:55,114
Here we are 40 years later,
and we're doing okay.
2443
02:49:55,324 --> 02:49:58,910
We're one of the few bands
that can say that.
2444
02:49:59,078 --> 02:50:01,538
The novelty of the Eagles
being back together
2445
02:50:01,705 --> 02:50:03,289
and those few new songs
that we had
2446
02:50:03,457 --> 02:50:05,583
on the "Hell Freezes Over" album
is one thing.
2447
02:50:05,751 --> 02:50:08,378
But we needed to make a record.
2448
02:50:10,589 --> 02:50:13,508
Considering that we haven't made
a record in so long,
2449
02:50:13,676 --> 02:50:18,763
we spent a good two and a half years
making "Long Road Out of Eden."
2450
02:50:18,931 --> 02:50:22,100
We finally figured out that
we just needed to do what we do.
2451
02:50:22,268 --> 02:50:24,519
This really goes back
to the essence of what we do best,
2452
02:50:24,687 --> 02:50:26,062
which is singing and songwriting.
2453
02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:28,064
A lot of harmony singing
on this album.
2454
02:50:39,868 --> 02:50:43,538
Big tragedies like that
make you think, as a parent,
2455
02:50:43,706 --> 02:50:45,790
what kind of world is coming up?
2456
02:50:45,958 --> 02:50:47,125
What's gonna happen next?
2457
02:50:47,293 --> 02:50:49,669
What's the world gonna be like
when my kids are grown?
2458
02:50:51,839 --> 02:50:55,633
After September 11th,
our immediate visceral reaction,
2459
02:50:55,801 --> 02:50:58,720
our gut reaction,
resulted in "Hole in the World."
2460
02:51:07,104 --> 02:51:08,479
The Eagles have written and sung
2461
02:51:08,647 --> 02:51:10,356
plenty of love songs
over the years,
2462
02:51:10,524 --> 02:51:11,983
but we've also written and sung
2463
02:51:12,151 --> 02:51:15,445
songs that have to do with
what's going on in the wider world.
2464
02:51:15,613 --> 02:51:17,822
We've never shied away
from social commentary.
2465
02:51:17,990 --> 02:51:19,741
We think it's part
of a rich tradition
2466
02:51:19,908 --> 02:51:21,993
that dates all the way
back to medieval times.
2467
02:51:22,161 --> 02:51:24,871
And so we still engage in it.
2468
02:51:47,519 --> 02:51:49,479
The writings and the ideas
2469
02:51:49,647 --> 02:51:52,148
of Henry David Thoreau
and Ralph Waldo Emerson
2470
02:51:52,316 --> 02:51:53,524
had a huge impact on me.
2471
02:51:53,692 --> 02:51:56,611
They got me through
some very difficult times in my life,
2472
02:51:56,779 --> 02:51:59,155
one being when my father
was stricken with heart disease,
2473
02:51:59,323 --> 02:52:03,242
and provided a lot
of spiritual support for me.
2474
02:52:03,410 --> 02:52:04,661
When I found out in 1980
2475
02:52:04,828 --> 02:52:07,330
that part of Walden
was going to be destroyed
2476
02:52:07,498 --> 02:52:08,831
by commercial development,
2477
02:52:08,999 --> 02:52:12,794
I decided that was something
I needed to help fight.
2478
02:52:12,961 --> 02:52:16,255
So I ended up founding
the Walden Woods Project.
2479
02:52:16,423 --> 02:52:20,510
And we are in our 27th year now,
and we've accomplished a great deal.
2480
02:52:20,678 --> 02:52:23,346
It's been one of the most rewarding
things that I've ever done.
2481
02:52:33,899 --> 02:52:36,401
The lyrics to that song
were originally a poem
2482
02:52:36,568 --> 02:52:39,862
written by a great American poet
named John Hollander.
2483
02:52:56,755 --> 02:52:59,674
Don had this title,
"Long Road Out of Eden."
2484
02:52:59,842 --> 02:53:02,760
Timothy goes over,
and he picks up an acoustic guitar.
2485
02:53:02,928 --> 02:53:04,128
And I go over to the keyboards
2486
02:53:04,221 --> 02:53:07,974
and Joe grabs a guitar
and Don goes on the drums.
2487
02:53:08,142 --> 02:53:11,102
And we start making up
this sort of musical story
2488
02:53:11,270 --> 02:53:13,271
called "Long Road Out of Eden,"
2489
02:53:13,439 --> 02:53:16,190
a story of, really, the war in Iraq.
2490
02:53:26,618 --> 02:53:28,453
And it was, like, the last resort.
2491
02:53:28,620 --> 02:53:33,040
It was another opus,
another David Lean movie.
2492
02:53:41,759 --> 02:53:43,134
We finally got through,
2493
02:53:43,302 --> 02:53:45,303
and we finally made
"Long Road Out of Eden."
2494
02:53:45,471 --> 02:53:47,430
And we didn't give it
to a record company.
2495
02:53:47,598 --> 02:53:49,390
We made a deal with Walmart.
2496
02:53:49,558 --> 02:53:53,895
This was the first major artist
to do a direct-to-retail release
2497
02:53:54,062 --> 02:53:56,105
and bypass
the major record companies.
2498
02:53:56,273 --> 02:53:57,815
It was phenomenally successful.
2499
02:53:57,983 --> 02:53:59,525
The album entered at number one.
2500
02:53:59,693 --> 02:54:01,903
It gave, I think,
the whole industry hope
2501
02:54:02,070 --> 02:54:05,323
that it could find a new
and different way to reach its fans.
2502
02:54:05,491 --> 02:54:07,052
They're becoming
a much greener company,
2503
02:54:07,117 --> 02:54:08,409
and that was important to me.
2504
02:54:08,577 --> 02:54:11,329
And the other good thing was that
our fans got 20 songs for 12 bucks.
2505
02:54:11,497 --> 02:54:12,830
It was basically a double album,
2506
02:54:12,998 --> 02:54:14,916
and they weren't charged double
for it.
2507
02:54:18,170 --> 02:54:20,046
Don said,
"I got a title for a song...
2508
02:54:20,214 --> 02:54:22,006
'Busy Being Fabulous."'
2509
02:54:22,174 --> 02:54:24,258
And I thought,
"What a great title."
2510
02:54:31,683 --> 02:54:32,767
And then Don wrote,
2511
02:54:32,935 --> 02:54:35,216
"'Don't wait up for me tonight, '
that was all she wrote."
2512
02:54:41,026 --> 02:54:42,860
And then we were off on the story.
2513
02:54:54,331 --> 02:54:55,832
"Busy Being Fabulous,"
2514
02:54:55,999 --> 02:54:58,584
Don and Glenn had gotten it
to a certain state,
2515
02:54:58,752 --> 02:55:01,087
and I came up with some stuff
for the bridge
2516
02:55:01,255 --> 02:55:03,047
and tweaked what already existed.
2517
02:55:03,215 --> 02:55:05,967
I was very involved
in the "Long Road" record.
2518
02:55:06,134 --> 02:55:08,886
I've always been a lot happier
getting into the entire project,
2519
02:55:09,054 --> 02:55:11,472
arranging stuff, producing the stuff,
co-writing the stuff.
2520
02:55:12,349 --> 02:55:16,018
Like, "Waiting in the Weeds"
and "Business As Usual"
2521
02:55:16,186 --> 02:55:18,980
were co-writes with Don.
2522
02:55:19,147 --> 02:55:23,651
Getting Steuart Smith in the band
was a real shot in the arm.
2523
02:55:23,819 --> 02:55:25,862
He's such a terrific musician.
2524
02:55:32,244 --> 02:55:33,411
It's a great solo.
2525
02:55:33,579 --> 02:55:35,454
It's like stepping
into a space suit.
2526
02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:40,334
It is strange
to be playing that song.
2527
02:55:40,586 --> 02:55:44,714
The reaction is terrific,
and you bask in that excitement.
2528
02:55:44,882 --> 02:55:46,507
But I didn't write it.
2529
02:55:52,431 --> 02:55:55,141
I'm one part hired gun,
but also one part collaborator.
2530
02:55:55,309 --> 02:55:56,767
I'm one of the guitar players.
2531
02:55:57,644 --> 02:56:00,521
But I'm not an Eagle.
2532
02:56:00,689 --> 02:56:02,356
I don't know what it's like
to be one of those guys.
2533
02:56:02,524 --> 02:56:04,442
...3, 4.
2534
02:56:06,987 --> 02:56:09,488
My kids were looking
on the Internet,
2535
02:56:09,656 --> 02:56:13,910
and they found this show
that the Eagles had done in 1974.
2536
02:56:19,666 --> 02:56:21,292
I was in my office watching TV,
2537
02:56:21,460 --> 02:56:23,836
and my kids come in and say,
"Hey, Dad, come here.
2538
02:56:24,004 --> 02:56:25,630
You got to take a look
at your hair."
2539
02:56:25,797 --> 02:56:28,090
And one of the songs
was "How Long."
2540
02:56:44,566 --> 02:56:46,651
"How Long" was
from my first solo album.
2541
02:56:46,818 --> 02:56:49,028
They found that,
'cause Cindy saw it on YouTube
2542
02:56:49,196 --> 02:56:50,655
and said, "Glenn, what's this?"
2543
02:56:50,822 --> 02:56:52,865
And he said,
"Oh, it's a song of J.D.'s."
2544
02:56:53,033 --> 02:56:55,201
She said,
"Well, you didn't cut it, did you?"
2545
02:57:07,464 --> 02:57:11,467
J.D. Wanted it on his solo album,
so we never recorded it.
2546
02:57:11,635 --> 02:57:14,136
My wife said, "Hey, that sounds
like a hit Eagles song."
2547
02:57:47,629 --> 02:57:49,338
They are the American band.
2548
02:57:49,506 --> 02:57:53,050
Yeah, they pretty much encompassed
the '70s, didn't they?
2549
02:57:53,218 --> 02:57:54,552
And took it all in.
2550
02:57:54,720 --> 02:57:57,722
That's a long time to still have
a musical impact,
2551
02:57:57,889 --> 02:58:02,226
and it's due
to this incredibly crisp, tight,
2552
02:58:02,394 --> 02:58:04,562
extraordinarily good
record-making band
2553
02:58:04,730 --> 02:58:06,689
and the presence of good songs.
2554
02:58:06,857 --> 02:58:09,150
But it's also now taken on
this other thing, too,
2555
02:58:09,317 --> 02:58:13,237
where it's everybody through the band
wants to remember a '70s
2556
02:58:13,405 --> 02:58:15,239
that they may
or may not have had.
2557
02:58:40,849 --> 02:58:43,267
This band could go play stadiums
all over the country,
2558
02:58:43,435 --> 02:58:47,646
and people know these songs
so intimately.
2559
02:58:52,861 --> 02:58:54,445
They last.
2560
02:58:54,613 --> 02:58:55,988
The songs last.
2561
02:58:57,866 --> 02:59:00,451
I have one small plaque on my wall.
2562
02:59:00,619 --> 02:59:02,244
It says, "Presented to the Eagles
2563
02:59:02,412 --> 02:59:06,123
to commemorate the best-selling
album of the 20th century
2564
02:59:06,291 --> 02:59:09,418
with sales in excess
of 26 million units."
2565
02:59:09,628 --> 02:59:13,881
That century's gone,
so nobody's gonna top that.
2566
02:59:16,218 --> 02:59:18,219
What's it like to be an Eagle now?
2567
02:59:18,386 --> 02:59:19,804
It's just part of my life.
2568
02:59:19,971 --> 02:59:20,805
I do normal things.
2569
02:59:20,972 --> 02:59:22,681
I go to the market,
2570
02:59:22,849 --> 02:59:25,893
and once in a while,
somebody comes up to me.
2571
02:59:26,061 --> 02:59:28,270
I don't walk around being an Eagle.
2572
02:59:28,438 --> 02:59:31,232
I'm an Eagle when it's time
for me to be.
2573
02:59:31,441 --> 02:59:34,860
I made sure the dishes were done
before you guys came today.
2574
02:59:35,028 --> 02:59:36,862
You know?
2575
03:00:36,673 --> 03:00:39,884
I love everybody in the band
like a brother.
2576
03:00:40,051 --> 03:00:45,472
To be part of a real band,
2577
03:00:45,640 --> 03:00:46,724
a real band,
2578
03:00:46,892 --> 03:00:52,605
is something that not all musicians
get to do in their life.
2579
03:00:52,772 --> 03:00:58,819
And I'm real lucky to have
that chapter in my book.
2580
03:01:05,160 --> 03:01:07,494
Rock 'n' roll saved my life.
2581
03:01:07,662 --> 03:01:10,623
It changed my life tremendously.
2582
03:01:10,790 --> 03:01:15,878
And as Mick Jagger
so famously and eloquently said,
2583
03:01:16,046 --> 03:01:19,006
"It's only rock 'n' roll,
but I like it."
2584
03:01:19,174 --> 03:01:20,466
I think that one of the reasons
2585
03:01:20,634 --> 03:01:22,218
that Glenn and I
wanted to write songs
2586
03:01:22,385 --> 03:01:24,929
is because rock 'n' roll music
got us through junior high
2587
03:01:25,096 --> 03:01:26,017
and through high school
2588
03:01:26,223 --> 03:01:28,098
and those difficult times
2589
03:01:28,266 --> 03:01:29,516
when you're searching
for your identity
2590
03:01:29,684 --> 03:01:33,354
and wondering who the heck you are,
trying to get girls to notice you,
2591
03:01:33,521 --> 03:01:35,001
and wondering
why the football players
2592
03:01:35,106 --> 03:01:37,233
are doing so much better
than you are.
2593
03:01:37,817 --> 03:01:39,193
At the end of the day,
2594
03:01:39,361 --> 03:01:43,239
it was and still is
about the music.
2595
03:01:48,745 --> 03:01:51,622
I regret that I didn't handle
some of the adversity
2596
03:01:51,790 --> 03:01:54,541
that the Eagles faced
in the late '70s better.
2597
03:01:54,709 --> 03:01:56,085
Fortunately, for me,
2598
03:01:56,253 --> 03:01:59,046
I've had another chance
to be the leader of the Eagles,
2599
03:01:59,214 --> 03:02:02,466
another chance
to be Don's partner
2600
03:02:02,634 --> 03:02:05,844
and do this work again
and play this music.
2601
03:02:06,012 --> 03:02:09,515
And in this second run,
I think I've done a pretty good job
2602
03:02:09,683 --> 03:02:13,769
of keeping the peace
and keep the band together,
2603
03:02:13,937 --> 03:02:15,729
keep everybody happy.
2604
03:02:15,897 --> 03:02:19,692
So here we are, still doing it.
2605
03:02:36,501 --> 03:02:38,669
Thank you.
2606
03:02:44,050 --> 03:02:46,302
That's it! That's it!
2607
03:02:48,179 --> 03:02:50,139
- Bye-bye.
- Bye-bye.
2608
03:02:51,224 --> 03:02:53,475
We wanted longevity.
2609
03:02:53,643 --> 03:02:56,020
It wasn't a hobby for us.
It wasn't a game.
2610
03:02:56,187 --> 03:02:58,147
It wasn't a pleasant diversion.
2611
03:02:58,315 --> 03:03:00,232
It was a life.
2612
03:03:00,400 --> 03:03:02,318
It was a calling.
It was a career.
2613
03:03:02,485 --> 03:03:03,902
It was worth it.
2614
03:03:08,074 --> 03:03:10,534
We went to China last year.
2615
03:03:10,702 --> 03:03:13,620
We're still breaking new ground
40 years later.
2616
03:03:15,290 --> 03:03:16,373
Back in the late '70s,
2617
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Neil Young sang a song
about the emerging punk ethic.
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And the pivotal line
in that song was:
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"It's better to burn out
than it is to rust."
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And I'm not sure
that even Neil, himself,
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subscribed to that sentiment,
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but I don't see rust as a bad thing.
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03:03:29,637 --> 03:03:32,723
I have an old 1962
John Deere tractor
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03:03:32,891 --> 03:03:36,518
that's covered with rust,
but it runs like a top.
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03:03:36,686 --> 03:03:39,188
You know, the inner workings
are just fine.
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03:03:53,620 --> 03:03:56,038
To me, that rust symbolizes
all the miles driven
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03:03:56,206 --> 03:04:01,001
and all the good work done
and all the experiences gained.
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From where I sit,
the rust looks pretty good.
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03:05:04,232 --> 03:05:05,732
When somebody is around 40 years,
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03:05:05,900 --> 03:05:08,569
it means they've got something,
something that people want.
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03:05:08,736 --> 03:05:09,445
And the Eagles have that.
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03:05:09,612 --> 03:05:12,322
To me, the Eagles
really expressed a mood.
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03:05:12,490 --> 03:05:14,533
California was the place of dreams.
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03:05:14,701 --> 03:05:17,077
It was a time
of limitless possibilities.
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03:05:17,245 --> 03:05:20,289
I think they were a defining moment
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03:05:20,457 --> 03:05:22,249
in the rock-'n'-roll world
that I love.
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03:05:22,417 --> 03:05:24,877
You couldn't really love
the Eagles music
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03:05:25,044 --> 03:05:27,629
and be an Eagles fan
and actually know them
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03:05:27,797 --> 03:05:29,506
and not aspire
to greatness yourself.
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03:05:29,674 --> 03:05:31,341
I'm not really into legacies.
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03:05:31,509 --> 03:05:33,260
People talk to me,
"What's your legacy?"
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03:05:33,428 --> 03:05:34,720
I'm here now.
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03:05:34,888 --> 03:05:37,598
I'm doing what I want to do,
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03:05:37,765 --> 03:05:39,600
and I'm trying to make stuff happen.
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03:05:39,767 --> 03:05:41,185
I see the Eagles in the same way.
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03:05:41,352 --> 03:05:42,936
They're not in the '70s.
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03:05:43,104 --> 03:05:46,482
They're in 2012 and 2013.
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03:05:46,649 --> 03:05:50,110
And whatever they're doing now
artistically, that's what's important.
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