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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:48,048 --> 00:00:49,649 - Pretty close. It's good. - Not too bad. 2 00:00:49,674 --> 00:00:51,633 It's gonna be about two minutes, so come on. 3 00:00:51,801 --> 00:00:52,801 Do what you got to do. 4 00:00:52,969 --> 00:00:55,012 We got to go. I need a wrist band. 5 00:00:55,180 --> 00:00:58,140 It's something that you can't do forever, you know? 6 00:00:58,308 --> 00:01:01,435 This is not a lifetime career that we can do, you know. 7 00:01:01,603 --> 00:01:03,437 - So... - It's not? 8 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,278 All right, let's go. 9 00:01:27,545 --> 00:01:30,005 Thank you, and good evening. 10 00:01:30,173 --> 00:01:32,132 We're the Eagles from Los Angeles. 11 00:01:35,929 --> 00:01:40,099 One, two, three, four. 12 00:02:04,082 --> 00:02:06,083 People are always saying things to me like, 13 00:02:06,251 --> 00:02:08,919 "You're just like a normal person." 14 00:02:09,087 --> 00:02:12,297 And I always say, "Of course." 15 00:02:14,801 --> 00:02:16,135 All right! 16 00:02:22,308 --> 00:02:24,149 We might be a little more world-wise, you know, 17 00:02:24,185 --> 00:02:25,269 than some of those kids, that's all. 18 00:02:25,436 --> 00:02:27,354 We just maybe have less innocence than they do, 19 00:02:27,522 --> 00:02:29,242 but, I mean, I eat, I sleep, I fall in love, 20 00:02:29,274 --> 00:02:30,774 I fall out of love, I work. 21 00:02:30,942 --> 00:02:32,734 You know, I do pretty much the same thing. 22 00:03:04,559 --> 00:03:08,478 We saw a poster of us when "On the Border" was made. 23 00:03:08,646 --> 00:03:11,273 Everybody looked like little kids, you know, 24 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:13,150 like, early 20s and stuff. 25 00:03:13,318 --> 00:03:16,195 And everybody didn't have their wrinkles and their baggy eyes. 26 00:03:16,362 --> 00:03:18,655 Sort of like a president when he first takes office. 27 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:21,700 And then, like four or five years later, 28 00:03:21,868 --> 00:03:24,786 you know, he just walks out, and his hair is gray, 29 00:03:24,954 --> 00:03:26,121 and his eyes are drooping, 30 00:03:26,289 --> 00:03:28,874 and he's just really, you know, real burned. 31 00:03:38,468 --> 00:03:41,386 The first thing that happens is you get some kind of label, 32 00:03:41,554 --> 00:03:43,096 and then you got to live up to it, 33 00:03:43,264 --> 00:03:45,390 and then you just get caught in that, 34 00:03:45,558 --> 00:03:49,269 and I forget what the second thing is. 35 00:04:02,992 --> 00:04:04,868 It's hard. It's like living two lives. 36 00:04:05,036 --> 00:04:07,537 You know, I have a family, three kids. 37 00:04:07,705 --> 00:04:10,749 And it's just hard to live in between that line, 38 00:04:10,917 --> 00:04:14,753 you know, of being out on the road and being away for a month. 39 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:41,947 Maybe we wouldn't want to do this anymore, 40 00:04:42,115 --> 00:04:43,740 or maybe we can't do this anymore, 41 00:04:43,908 --> 00:04:46,410 or maybe nobody will give a shit if we do this anymore. 42 00:04:56,045 --> 00:04:57,087 Thank you. 43 00:05:08,391 --> 00:05:11,101 No, I insist. You first. 44 00:05:11,269 --> 00:05:13,103 Hi, there. 45 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:17,941 Lock it up. A hearty bunch out there. 46 00:05:18,109 --> 00:05:19,401 Oh, he's not even here. Now... 47 00:05:19,569 --> 00:05:21,370 Hey, driver, lock 'em up for us tonight, okay? 48 00:05:21,446 --> 00:05:22,237 Out of sight. 49 00:05:22,405 --> 00:05:25,324 You just don't know what those kids will do. 50 00:05:25,491 --> 00:05:27,534 Doggone. 51 00:05:32,915 --> 00:05:33,790 How about a beer? 52 00:05:33,958 --> 00:05:35,334 - Is that what I heard? - You got it, brother. 53 00:05:35,501 --> 00:05:38,712 Don't hurt yourself, young America. 54 00:05:40,006 --> 00:05:41,006 Would you like one? 55 00:05:41,174 --> 00:05:43,175 Yeah, I would like one. I'm gonna drink tonight. 56 00:05:44,844 --> 00:05:47,721 I think they feel like they're up there, you know, 57 00:05:47,889 --> 00:05:49,848 like they're on the stage. 58 00:05:50,016 --> 00:05:52,476 'Cause we look like them. We dress like them. 59 00:05:52,643 --> 00:05:54,227 Part of it is that, and part of it's the records. 60 00:05:54,395 --> 00:05:55,437 I think they just relate to the songs. 61 00:05:55,605 --> 00:05:58,648 I think it's 50/50, I guess. 62 00:05:58,858 --> 00:06:00,233 The thing is now is to try to see 63 00:06:00,401 --> 00:06:02,602 how long we can stay up here at the top of the mountain. 64 00:06:02,612 --> 00:06:05,155 It's very narrow and windy up here. 65 00:06:05,323 --> 00:06:06,865 We can probably continue doing what we're doing 66 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:09,076 as long as the songs keep coming. 67 00:06:09,243 --> 00:06:10,452 That's the only thing that frightens us 68 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:12,871 is to not be able to do that anymore. 69 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:14,998 If nothing comes up, we would be in trouble. 70 00:06:15,166 --> 00:06:16,208 So far, so good. 71 00:06:16,376 --> 00:06:19,544 I think we can maintain this for a few more years. 72 00:06:19,712 --> 00:06:21,254 I don't see why not. 73 00:06:21,422 --> 00:06:22,672 Other people have... the Rolling Stones 74 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:24,966 and the Who and the Led... and Led Zeppelin... 75 00:06:25,134 --> 00:06:28,970 I almost said the Led Zeppelin... have done it. 76 00:06:29,138 --> 00:06:30,972 Chicago's done it. 77 00:06:32,725 --> 00:06:36,603 Groups last longer than they used to, you know. 78 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:41,900 Shit don't float. 79 00:06:59,877 --> 00:07:04,506 90% of the time, being in the Eagles was a fucking blast. 80 00:07:04,674 --> 00:07:06,758 You know, I was living the dream. 81 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:13,765 We never in our wildest dreams 82 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:17,436 figured on being this successful and lasting this long. 83 00:07:18,896 --> 00:07:21,606 We were a bunch of guys out there touring the country. 84 00:07:21,774 --> 00:07:23,942 We had a little private plane. 85 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:27,195 We had parties after the shows. We had a good time. 86 00:07:27,363 --> 00:07:29,364 We were starting to make some money. 87 00:07:32,952 --> 00:07:37,038 We had three guitar players finally, you know, so we could rock a bit. 88 00:07:37,206 --> 00:07:39,458 So, it was a good time, a good time for me, 89 00:07:39,625 --> 00:07:41,626 a good time for Don. 90 00:07:45,548 --> 00:07:47,090 Everybody was really happy... 91 00:07:48,885 --> 00:07:50,886 ...then. 92 00:07:56,058 --> 00:08:00,979 It was going really fast, and probably too fast. 93 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:10,155 There was turmoil within the band. 94 00:08:10,323 --> 00:08:12,491 We put a lot of pressure on ourselves. 95 00:08:12,658 --> 00:08:16,161 As Glenn used to say, "We made it, and it ate us." 96 00:08:16,329 --> 00:08:18,163 It's hard to be in a group. 97 00:08:18,331 --> 00:08:19,581 It's a bit like being in a marriage, 98 00:08:19,749 --> 00:08:21,958 if you quadruple it or quintuple it, in our case. 99 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,504 They asked Don when the Eagles broke up, 100 00:08:25,671 --> 00:08:27,672 "What was that like for you?" 101 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,675 And he said it was a horrible relief. 102 00:08:31,594 --> 00:08:35,305 And I think that clocks it pretty well. 103 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:39,809 You're a real pro, Don, all the way. 104 00:08:39,977 --> 00:08:41,686 Yeah, you are, too... the way you handle people. 105 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:44,055 Except the people you pay, nobody gives a shit about it. 106 00:08:44,106 --> 00:08:47,859 Fuck you. I've been paying you for seven years, you fuckhead. 107 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:51,196 So much stuff just happened. 108 00:08:51,364 --> 00:08:56,243 You know, there's a philosopher who says, 109 00:08:56,410 --> 00:08:59,454 As you live your life... 110 00:09:00,873 --> 00:09:06,753 ...it appears to be anarchy and chaos 111 00:09:06,921 --> 00:09:09,714 and random events, 112 00:09:09,882 --> 00:09:14,344 non-related events smashing into each other 113 00:09:14,512 --> 00:09:16,846 and causing this situation," 114 00:09:17,014 --> 00:09:22,352 and then... then this happens, and it's overwhelming, 115 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:28,942 and it just looks like, "What in the world is going on?" 116 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:35,282 And later, when you look back at it, 117 00:09:35,449 --> 00:09:39,995 it looks like a finely-crafted novel, 118 00:09:40,162 --> 00:09:44,082 but at the time, it don't. 119 00:09:45,209 --> 00:09:49,129 And a lot of the Eagles' story is like that. 120 00:09:50,423 --> 00:09:52,424 I'm gonna fuckin' kill you. 121 00:09:52,592 --> 00:09:56,511 I can't wait. I can't wait. 122 00:10:00,433 --> 00:10:02,475 We might as well start at the beginning. 123 00:10:06,939 --> 00:10:09,566 I grew up in Detroit, Michigan. 124 00:10:09,734 --> 00:10:10,817 My dad worked in a factory. 125 00:10:10,985 --> 00:10:13,570 My mother baked pies at General Motors. 126 00:10:13,738 --> 00:10:16,531 I started taking piano lessons when I was five years old. 127 00:10:16,699 --> 00:10:20,118 That alone could get you beat up after school in suburban Detroit. 128 00:10:28,252 --> 00:10:32,297 Detroit was Motown, and so they played all the Motown hits. 129 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:42,807 And that was the kind of stuff that we would listen to. 130 00:10:43,643 --> 00:10:45,727 I stopped playing piano when I was 12. 131 00:10:45,895 --> 00:10:46,811 It was too much. 132 00:10:46,979 --> 00:10:48,313 I wanted to do other things, 133 00:10:48,481 --> 00:10:51,524 and I think the girl thing was starting to happen, as well. 134 00:10:54,153 --> 00:10:56,112 Then the Beatles came along, 135 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,032 and my Aunt took me down to see the Beatles at the Olympia. 136 00:11:00,826 --> 00:11:01,743 It was crazy. 137 00:11:01,911 --> 00:11:03,370 I remember having a girl 138 00:11:03,537 --> 00:11:05,497 that was standing on her seat in front of me 139 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:11,461 fall backwards into my arms, delirious, going, "Paul, Paul." 140 00:11:11,629 --> 00:11:14,297 You know, and I thought, "Oh, my God." 141 00:11:14,799 --> 00:11:17,676 I have a very vivid memory of seeing the Beatles 142 00:11:17,843 --> 00:11:19,928 with my parents on our old Admiral TV set. 143 00:11:20,096 --> 00:11:21,429 It was like a bolt of lightning. 144 00:11:21,597 --> 00:11:24,140 It had a huge impact on me. It was revolutionary. 145 00:11:24,308 --> 00:11:26,810 And it was an impact that would last a lifetime, 146 00:11:26,977 --> 00:11:29,104 and I know that had a huge impact on Glenn, too, 147 00:11:29,271 --> 00:11:31,272 even though we didn't know each other at the time. 148 00:11:35,111 --> 00:11:37,028 Linden, Texas, is my hometown. 149 00:11:37,196 --> 00:11:39,656 It's a small town in Northeastern Texas. 150 00:11:39,824 --> 00:11:41,074 When I was growing up, 151 00:11:41,242 --> 00:11:43,660 the population was about 2,500, 2,600. 152 00:11:47,957 --> 00:11:50,542 It's primarily an agricultural area. 153 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:52,377 Some people worked at the steel mill. 154 00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:54,671 It's just a typical small Texas town. 155 00:11:54,839 --> 00:11:56,715 There's an old courthouse 156 00:11:56,882 --> 00:12:01,010 dating back to before the Civil War and one stoplight. 157 00:12:01,178 --> 00:12:04,472 It's kind of like "The Last Picture Show," you know? 158 00:12:05,891 --> 00:12:06,891 It was a great place musically 159 00:12:07,059 --> 00:12:09,394 because it was kind of a cultural crossroads. 160 00:12:09,562 --> 00:12:10,520 It's really located 161 00:12:10,688 --> 00:12:12,856 where the old South begins to meet the West. 162 00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:17,360 Linden, Texas, was the birthplace of Scott Joplin 163 00:12:17,528 --> 00:12:19,112 and T-Bone Walker. 164 00:12:22,324 --> 00:12:23,742 Both my parents loved music, 165 00:12:23,909 --> 00:12:26,494 so we had a lot of records in the house. 166 00:12:26,662 --> 00:12:31,040 I was exposed to music of all kinds from an early age... 167 00:12:31,208 --> 00:12:32,375 you know, country-and-western music, 168 00:12:32,543 --> 00:12:35,253 Western swing music, gospel music, blues, 169 00:12:35,421 --> 00:12:38,798 Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, and Patsy Cline. 170 00:12:45,681 --> 00:12:48,349 There was a 50,000-watt radio station in New Orleans, 171 00:12:48,517 --> 00:12:52,228 and I heard things on that station that I didn't hear anywhere else. 172 00:12:53,564 --> 00:12:55,940 So, I had a lot of radio coming in. 173 00:12:57,902 --> 00:12:59,527 And when I would go to work with my dad, 174 00:12:59,695 --> 00:13:04,032 he would listen to a station in Shreveport, Louisiana... KWKH. 175 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:17,670 And that station broadcast a radio show 176 00:13:17,838 --> 00:13:19,130 called the "Louisiana Hayride," 177 00:13:19,298 --> 00:13:23,218 where Elvis Presley made his first radio broadcast in 1954. 178 00:13:36,273 --> 00:13:40,401 The very first rock-'n'-roll record I bought was by Elvis Presley. 179 00:13:43,781 --> 00:13:46,282 My playing the drums was sort of an organic process. 180 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:48,326 I began by beating on my school books 181 00:13:48,494 --> 00:13:51,663 with my fingers and with pencils. 182 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:52,872 I would beat out little cadences, 183 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,458 and I used to drive my classmates crazy doing that, 184 00:13:55,626 --> 00:13:57,293 until, I think, one day, somebody said to me... 185 00:13:57,461 --> 00:13:58,753 I think it was my friend Richard Bowden... 186 00:13:58,921 --> 00:14:01,041 he said, "Why don't you just start playing the drums?" 187 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:05,051 I managed to cobble together a drum kit from old drums 188 00:14:05,219 --> 00:14:08,346 that I found stashed in the back of the band hall in high school. 189 00:14:08,514 --> 00:14:10,932 And then one day, my mom said, "Come on, get in the car." 190 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:13,726 And she drove me to a town about an hour and a half away 191 00:14:13,894 --> 00:14:17,313 called Sulphur Springs, Texas, to McKay Music Company. 192 00:14:17,481 --> 00:14:19,023 Much to my surprise, 193 00:14:19,191 --> 00:14:21,818 she bought me a set of red-sparkle Slingerland drums 194 00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:24,362 that I still have today. 195 00:14:24,530 --> 00:14:26,698 So, I have to give my parents a lot of credit. 196 00:14:26,866 --> 00:14:28,199 They bought me that drum kit 197 00:14:28,367 --> 00:14:30,618 even though they couldn't really afford it. 198 00:14:34,206 --> 00:14:35,290 The first band I was in 199 00:14:35,457 --> 00:14:38,293 was a band with my high-school buddy Richard Bowden 200 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:40,670 and another high-school friend, Jerry Surratt, 201 00:14:40,838 --> 00:14:42,547 and we played Dixieland jazz music. 202 00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:45,675 Nobody sang. We just played music. 203 00:14:52,433 --> 00:14:53,683 I went to a high-school party, 204 00:14:53,851 --> 00:14:55,435 and there were four kids who were freshmen in high school 205 00:14:55,603 --> 00:14:56,644 who were playing. 206 00:14:56,812 --> 00:14:59,272 I was a junior, and I had a couple beers that night 207 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,900 and said, "Hey, you know, do you know 'Satisfaction'? 208 00:15:02,067 --> 00:15:03,192 'Cause I can sing it." 209 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,404 So, I became the lead singer of the Subterraneans. 210 00:15:11,243 --> 00:15:13,119 I played in the Subterraneans for a while, 211 00:15:13,287 --> 00:15:15,747 and then I played in another band called the Mushrooms. 212 00:15:15,915 --> 00:15:17,916 The most important thing that happened to me 213 00:15:18,083 --> 00:15:20,001 when I was in Detroit was I met Bob Seger. 214 00:15:28,761 --> 00:15:30,345 He took me under his wing. 215 00:15:30,512 --> 00:15:33,556 He invited me to recording sessions that he was having, you know, 216 00:15:33,724 --> 00:15:35,892 so I could see how records were made. 217 00:15:36,060 --> 00:15:37,685 I was his mentor. 218 00:15:37,853 --> 00:15:39,103 He was just so young, 219 00:15:39,271 --> 00:15:41,898 and I liked him right away because he was so funny. 220 00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:44,025 He had a great sense of humor, 221 00:15:44,193 --> 00:15:47,987 and, like me, I could see he was really ambitious. 222 00:15:48,155 --> 00:15:50,156 He really wanted to be on the radio. 223 00:15:50,324 --> 00:15:52,992 He cut a song called "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man." 224 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,787 He let me play acoustic guitar on the basic track 225 00:15:55,955 --> 00:15:57,830 and sing background vocals. 226 00:16:03,712 --> 00:16:06,381 You can really hear Glenn blurt out on the first chorus. 227 00:16:06,548 --> 00:16:08,633 He comes out really loud. 228 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:10,093 Tremendous gusto. 229 00:16:10,260 --> 00:16:11,719 Of course, that was a national hit for us, 230 00:16:11,887 --> 00:16:14,138 so that was really cool. 231 00:16:14,306 --> 00:16:16,724 Bob was the first guy that wrote his own songs 232 00:16:16,892 --> 00:16:18,476 and recorded them that I had ever met. 233 00:16:18,644 --> 00:16:20,395 He said, "You know, if you want to make it, 234 00:16:20,562 --> 00:16:22,313 you're gonna have to write your own songs." 235 00:16:22,481 --> 00:16:24,065 And I said, "Well, what if they're bad?" 236 00:16:24,233 --> 00:16:25,900 And he said, "Well, they're gonna be bad." 237 00:16:26,068 --> 00:16:27,988 He says, "You just keep writing and keep writing, 238 00:16:28,153 --> 00:16:29,821 and eventually, you'll write a good song." 239 00:16:32,074 --> 00:16:33,435 We were gonna have a band together. 240 00:16:33,575 --> 00:16:35,095 He was gonna get rid of his other guys, 241 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,286 and I was gonna be his bass player. 242 00:16:37,454 --> 00:16:39,330 It didn't work out. 243 00:16:39,498 --> 00:16:41,958 My mom found me smoking pot with a friend of mine 244 00:16:42,126 --> 00:16:43,251 in somebody's basement, 245 00:16:43,419 --> 00:16:45,712 and she called up Seger's manager, Punch Andrews, 246 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:49,632 and said, "Just a minute, not so fast." 247 00:16:52,386 --> 00:16:53,970 In the years leading up to the Great Depression, 248 00:16:54,138 --> 00:16:56,222 my dad had to quit school after the eighth grade. 249 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:57,598 He had to go home and work in the fields 250 00:16:57,766 --> 00:17:00,018 with his brother and sister to help support the family. 251 00:17:00,185 --> 00:17:02,854 His fondest wish... in fact, his life's goal 252 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,856 was that I would go to college. 253 00:17:05,607 --> 00:17:08,776 Every Saturday night, he would bring home seven quarters, 254 00:17:08,944 --> 00:17:10,778 and we'd put them in a piggy bank, 255 00:17:10,946 --> 00:17:14,365 and when those quarters amounted to $100, 256 00:17:14,533 --> 00:17:17,076 he would take me to the bank and we would buy a savings bond, 257 00:17:17,244 --> 00:17:19,287 a United States savings bond, 258 00:17:19,455 --> 00:17:22,665 and put that away for my college education. 259 00:17:23,876 --> 00:17:25,668 So, between what my dad had saved 260 00:17:25,836 --> 00:17:28,171 and between what I was making doing gigs all over Texas 261 00:17:28,338 --> 00:17:29,964 and Arkansas and Louisiana on weekends, 262 00:17:30,132 --> 00:17:33,092 I paid for 31/2 years of college. 263 00:17:33,260 --> 00:17:35,636 They have a world-famous music department 264 00:17:35,804 --> 00:17:37,388 in which I did not excel. 265 00:17:37,556 --> 00:17:38,639 I took one music course. 266 00:17:38,807 --> 00:17:42,518 I think it was beginning theory, and I flunked. 267 00:17:42,686 --> 00:17:44,353 I made an "F." 268 00:17:44,521 --> 00:17:47,607 But I didn't really care because I was an English major. 269 00:17:54,323 --> 00:17:55,531 Well, after the Mushrooms, 270 00:17:55,699 --> 00:17:58,868 I got invited to join this band called the Four of Us. 271 00:17:59,036 --> 00:18:01,913 Started getting into some of the California bands... 272 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:04,665 the Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, the Beach Boys. 273 00:18:04,833 --> 00:18:07,126 Always wanted to go to California. 274 00:18:07,294 --> 00:18:09,879 And I got out there, my mind was blown. 275 00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:12,090 The vegetation... I'd never seen palm trees. 276 00:18:12,257 --> 00:18:14,383 You know, it was just like a dream come true. 277 00:18:23,685 --> 00:18:27,605 The first celebrity I saw was David Crosby. 278 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:36,197 And he had on that flat-brimmed hat 279 00:18:36,365 --> 00:18:38,074 that he wore on the second Byrds album, 280 00:18:38,242 --> 00:18:39,492 and he had a little leather cape on, 281 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:43,704 and I just looked and I thought, "My God, there's David Crosby." 282 00:18:43,872 --> 00:18:46,290 Zoom, and we went right by. 283 00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:56,300 And the first person I met was John David Souther. 284 00:18:56,468 --> 00:18:58,636 We wanted to get high and play music. 285 00:18:58,804 --> 00:19:00,555 There were two of us with guitars. 286 00:19:00,722 --> 00:19:03,307 We were listening to a lot of that sort of interface 287 00:19:03,475 --> 00:19:05,977 between rock 'n' roll and country-and-western music 288 00:19:06,145 --> 00:19:08,813 that was happening in Southern California at the time 289 00:19:08,981 --> 00:19:10,106 with the Byrds and Dillard & Clark 290 00:19:10,274 --> 00:19:12,942 and the Burrito Brothers and Poco. 291 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:27,415 There was a lot of great music of that sort going around then. 292 00:19:27,583 --> 00:19:28,833 Longbranch Pennywhistle here. 293 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:30,751 I suppose you wonder what that name meant, 294 00:19:30,919 --> 00:19:31,919 and John David and I... 295 00:19:32,087 --> 00:19:34,547 It was a well-kept... funky women. 296 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:37,133 The songs weren't very good. 297 00:19:37,301 --> 00:19:39,927 I don't think Glenn and I were very far along as songwriters then. 298 00:19:46,059 --> 00:19:48,060 We were a funny little group, but we got gigs. 299 00:19:48,228 --> 00:19:50,688 We, you know, managed to play in some of the folk clubs 300 00:19:50,856 --> 00:19:51,564 around L. A. 301 00:19:51,732 --> 00:19:56,527 The Golden Bear and the Ash Grove. 302 00:20:05,954 --> 00:20:08,497 We had a chance meeting with Kenny Rogers 303 00:20:08,665 --> 00:20:09,790 in Dallas, Texas, one day. 304 00:20:09,958 --> 00:20:11,918 He was coming through town with the First Edition. 305 00:20:12,085 --> 00:20:14,086 They were very hot at the time. 306 00:20:17,382 --> 00:20:19,050 I remember this like it was yesterday. 307 00:20:19,218 --> 00:20:22,053 This little kid came up and said, "Mr. Rogers," 308 00:20:22,221 --> 00:20:25,556 he said, "I'm Don Henley, and I'm with a group called Felicity, 309 00:20:25,724 --> 00:20:27,308 and we're doing a show tonight, 310 00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:29,644 and we'd love to have you come see us." 311 00:20:29,811 --> 00:20:32,230 And I said, "You know, I'm really sorry, but I don't do that. 312 00:20:32,397 --> 00:20:35,358 I don't just go to clubs and watch groups." 313 00:20:35,525 --> 00:20:38,236 He said, "I really think you'd like us." 314 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:41,197 And I thought, "Well, that's pretty cool," so I did. 315 00:20:55,295 --> 00:20:58,923 Kenny is a Texas boy, and he was looking for groups to produce. 316 00:20:59,091 --> 00:21:00,172 So, I brought them to L.A., 317 00:21:00,300 --> 00:21:03,761 and they literally lived at my house for about four months. 318 00:21:05,347 --> 00:21:07,139 We changed their name to Shiloh. 319 00:21:07,307 --> 00:21:10,685 It was so much fun to take them into the studio. 320 00:21:22,030 --> 00:21:24,699 With Shiloh, we made one album, and it had a single called 321 00:21:24,866 --> 00:21:27,994 "Simple Little Down Home Rock and Roll Love Song for Rosie." 322 00:21:28,161 --> 00:21:30,121 Not exactly a short title. 323 00:21:35,961 --> 00:21:38,254 We didn't know much about the business at that point. 324 00:21:38,422 --> 00:21:39,630 We were pretty naive. 325 00:21:43,719 --> 00:21:46,053 We kicked around in the L.A. Clubs for a while, 326 00:21:46,221 --> 00:21:47,388 played the Whisky, 327 00:21:47,556 --> 00:21:51,058 played some of the clubs down in the South Bay area, 328 00:21:51,226 --> 00:21:52,935 and nothing really happened for us. 329 00:21:55,814 --> 00:21:59,400 J.D. And I were looking for any place to play. 330 00:21:59,568 --> 00:22:01,277 We had heard about this guy Jackson Browne. 331 00:22:01,445 --> 00:22:03,237 He'd been playing the same clubs we had, 332 00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,906 but we never had seen him perform. 333 00:22:06,074 --> 00:22:08,242 This is California. Mr. Jackson Browne. 334 00:22:08,410 --> 00:22:09,493 Ah, thank you, thank you. 335 00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:11,421 Then there were a bunch of gigs that they had 336 00:22:11,496 --> 00:22:12,580 and some gigs that I had 337 00:22:12,748 --> 00:22:15,249 that they would show up at my gigs and me at their gigs, 338 00:22:15,417 --> 00:22:16,834 and we became really good friends. 339 00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:18,085 This is... 340 00:22:18,253 --> 00:22:19,837 And we'd start talking about, 341 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:21,756 "Where do you live, and what's going on?" 342 00:22:21,923 --> 00:22:25,468 And Jackson said, "You know, you should come down to Echo Park. 343 00:22:25,635 --> 00:22:27,678 Rent's real cheap." 344 00:22:27,846 --> 00:22:30,681 Glenn got the apartment next to my apartment, 345 00:22:30,849 --> 00:22:35,561 and this apartment cost like $125 or something a month, you know. 346 00:22:35,729 --> 00:22:36,979 And I needed to economize, 347 00:22:37,147 --> 00:22:39,732 so I moved into the basement underneath Glenn's place, 348 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:42,234 which I could get into for $35 a month. 349 00:22:42,402 --> 00:22:43,652 It only had one door. 350 00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:47,365 It was really just kind of an illegal place, just a cubbyhole, 351 00:22:47,532 --> 00:22:51,077 and that's where Jackson lived, with J.D. And I above. 352 00:22:51,244 --> 00:22:52,203 You know, that was it. 353 00:22:52,371 --> 00:22:55,081 There was a stereo, a piano, a bed, a guitar, 354 00:22:55,248 --> 00:22:58,042 you know, a teapot. 355 00:23:00,712 --> 00:23:03,381 We slept late in those days, 356 00:23:03,548 --> 00:23:05,424 except around 9:00 in the morning, 357 00:23:05,592 --> 00:23:08,010 I'd hear Jackson Browne's teapot going off, 358 00:23:08,178 --> 00:23:10,388 this whistle in the distance. 359 00:23:10,555 --> 00:23:13,182 And then I'd hear him playing piano. 360 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:15,559 I didn't really know how to write songs. 361 00:23:15,727 --> 00:23:20,064 I knew I wanted to write songs, but I didn't know exactly... 362 00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:23,526 you just wait around for inspiration, what was the deal? 363 00:23:23,693 --> 00:23:28,739 Well, I learned through Jackson's ceiling and my floor 364 00:23:28,907 --> 00:23:31,325 exactly how to write songs 'cause Jackson would get up, 365 00:23:31,493 --> 00:23:34,745 and he'd play the first verse and first chorus, 366 00:23:34,913 --> 00:23:36,997 and he'd play it 20 times 367 00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:39,583 until he had it just the way he wanted. 368 00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:41,419 And then there'd be silence. 369 00:23:41,586 --> 00:23:44,046 And then I'd hear the teapot go off again. 370 00:23:44,214 --> 00:23:46,507 Then it'd be quiet for 10 or 20 minutes. 371 00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:48,926 Then I'd hear him start to play again, 372 00:23:49,094 --> 00:23:51,178 and there was the second verse. 373 00:23:51,346 --> 00:23:52,555 So, then he'd work on the second verse, 374 00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:53,889 and he'd play it 20 times. 375 00:23:54,057 --> 00:23:56,058 And then he'd go back to the top of the song, 376 00:23:56,226 --> 00:23:58,185 and he'd play the first verse, the first chorus, 377 00:23:58,353 --> 00:24:00,438 and the second verse another 20 times 378 00:24:00,605 --> 00:24:03,357 until he was really comfortable with it and, you know, 379 00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:07,027 change a word here or there, and I'm up there going, 380 00:24:07,195 --> 00:24:09,113 "So, that's how you do it... 381 00:24:09,281 --> 00:24:15,411 elbow grease, you know, time, thought, persistence." 382 00:24:32,053 --> 00:24:33,804 I wanted to kill him sometimes. 383 00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:38,476 Jackson would play the same phrase, "Doctor, My Eyes" for six weeks. 384 00:24:38,643 --> 00:24:41,203 The same thing with "The Pretender." I just wanted to murder him. 385 00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:48,527 And it was during that period of time that I met Glenn Frey 386 00:24:48,695 --> 00:24:50,196 because we were on the same label 387 00:24:50,363 --> 00:24:51,489 called Amos records. 388 00:24:51,656 --> 00:24:53,866 Some of the things that struck me when I first met Glenn 389 00:24:54,034 --> 00:24:55,618 were things we had in common. 390 00:24:55,785 --> 00:24:59,330 Both of our dads made a living in the automotive industry. 391 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,208 Glenn and I loved old cars, especially cars from the '50s. 392 00:25:02,375 --> 00:25:05,586 He had a '55 Chevy that he named Gladys. 393 00:25:05,754 --> 00:25:09,173 And we drove around Los Angeles in Gladys. 394 00:25:09,341 --> 00:25:10,382 Check out some of the new talent. 395 00:25:10,550 --> 00:25:11,509 There's no better place in town 396 00:25:11,676 --> 00:25:13,316 to catch those new singers and songwriters 397 00:25:13,386 --> 00:25:15,179 than down at the Monday night Hoot Night, 398 00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:17,932 Doug Weston's world-famous Troubadour, happening tonight. 399 00:25:18,099 --> 00:25:20,684 The Troubadour club was the center of the musical universe. 400 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:22,811 It was a very seminal place. 401 00:25:22,979 --> 00:25:24,813 It was the place to see and be seen. 402 00:25:26,107 --> 00:25:28,275 Every Monday night they had an open stage. 403 00:25:28,443 --> 00:25:30,152 It was called Hoot Night. 404 00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:36,617 The Troubadour was the place to go if you were young and happening 405 00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:40,204 and trying to get involved in the music scene. 406 00:25:40,372 --> 00:25:42,289 It was happening there. 407 00:25:58,223 --> 00:25:59,974 I saw a lot of great acts at the Troubadour. 408 00:26:15,740 --> 00:26:19,952 I witnessed Elton John's American debut performance in 1970. 409 00:26:34,175 --> 00:26:36,655 Everybody who was anybody at the time played at the Troubadour. 410 00:26:38,763 --> 00:26:39,805 Of course, Linda... 411 00:26:39,973 --> 00:26:44,184 And she still has one of my favorite voices in the business, ever. 412 00:26:53,737 --> 00:26:57,114 The Troubadour is really responsible for the entire music scene. 413 00:26:57,282 --> 00:26:58,603 I mean, everything I got, really, 414 00:26:58,742 --> 00:27:01,994 was virtually through either performing there onstage 415 00:27:02,162 --> 00:27:04,496 or in the bar, you know? 416 00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:11,045 I was just started managing Linda then, 417 00:27:11,212 --> 00:27:14,089 and Linda was gonna be a star... that voice as big as a house. 418 00:27:14,841 --> 00:27:16,425 There wasn't anybody in the room 419 00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,469 that cared about anything but that voice. 420 00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:23,784 One night, we're down at the Troubadour, 421 00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:26,727 and John Boylan comes to me... he's managing Linda Ronstadt... 422 00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:29,480 and he says, "I'm taking Linda on the road. 423 00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:31,607 We need guys who can sing. 424 00:27:31,775 --> 00:27:33,442 You want to play rhythm guitar and sing?" 425 00:27:33,610 --> 00:27:36,403 I offered him $250 a week, and he took it. 426 00:27:39,824 --> 00:27:41,742 I went back to him, I said, 427 00:27:41,910 --> 00:27:44,411 "Can you give me some of that money right now?" 428 00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,622 I think he gave me 50 bucks. 429 00:27:46,790 --> 00:27:49,958 And then I found Don from this band called Shiloh. 430 00:27:50,126 --> 00:27:51,835 I heard him playing at the Troubadour. 431 00:27:56,424 --> 00:27:58,008 I was looking for a job. 432 00:27:58,176 --> 00:27:59,968 Glenn introduced me to John Boylan. 433 00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:02,346 I auditioned at this little house in Laurel Canyon. 434 00:28:02,514 --> 00:28:05,724 I had listened to her album hundreds of times, 435 00:28:05,892 --> 00:28:07,572 so I knew the songs backwards and forwards, 436 00:28:07,644 --> 00:28:11,063 and I guess I passed the audition because I got the job. 437 00:28:37,882 --> 00:28:39,258 I learned a lot from Linda. 438 00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:41,301 It was a very formative experience for me. 439 00:28:41,469 --> 00:28:44,012 And she could hang with the guys, you know. 440 00:28:44,180 --> 00:28:48,267 She could drink tequila with the rest of us and hold her own. 441 00:28:54,315 --> 00:28:56,108 It was really very ad hoc. 442 00:28:56,276 --> 00:28:58,694 We had a station wagon, put the gear in the back. 443 00:28:58,862 --> 00:29:01,905 We'd all get in it and drive to the college and play there. 444 00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:04,533 As a cost-cutting measure, 445 00:29:04,701 --> 00:29:06,502 band members had to share rooms in those days, 446 00:29:06,578 --> 00:29:08,662 so Glenn and I were roommates. 447 00:29:08,830 --> 00:29:11,415 - What did you guys eat? - I had a bowl of Rice Krispies. 448 00:29:11,583 --> 00:29:14,835 Ladies and gentlemen, Linda Ronstadt. 449 00:29:20,175 --> 00:29:21,133 It's funny. I seem to get people 450 00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:22,718 at a critical stage in their development, 451 00:29:22,886 --> 00:29:23,844 and they sort of build their chops. 452 00:29:24,012 --> 00:29:25,596 I mean, there's nothing that gets your chops up better 453 00:29:25,764 --> 00:29:27,097 than playing every single night. 454 00:29:33,938 --> 00:29:35,272 Linda and John Boylan 455 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,232 really like the way Henley and I play, 456 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,943 really like the way we sing with her, 457 00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:41,987 and they start to get a vision 458 00:29:42,155 --> 00:29:45,365 of putting together a super group to back up Linda... 459 00:29:45,533 --> 00:29:48,744 the best of the new country-rock musicians, 460 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:50,621 and we were gonna be part of it. 461 00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:53,165 I remember talking with Don, and Don said, 462 00:29:53,333 --> 00:29:57,252 "Well, you know, I'd rather, like, just be in a band with you." 463 00:29:58,254 --> 00:30:00,047 And I said, "Well, yeah, me too. 464 00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:03,634 You know, I'd rather just be in a band with you." 465 00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:09,640 So, we went to Linda and said, 466 00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,893 "You know, we really appreciate everything you've done for us, 467 00:30:13,061 --> 00:30:15,979 and it means a lot, and we love playing with you, 468 00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:18,774 but we'd like to have our own band." 469 00:30:27,325 --> 00:30:29,159 Now, you know, I think a lot of people, 470 00:30:29,327 --> 00:30:30,744 you know, could get miffed by that, 471 00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:33,038 say, "Well, wait a second. I brought you out here, you know. 472 00:30:33,206 --> 00:30:34,581 I gave you a paying job 473 00:30:34,749 --> 00:30:37,417 when you couldn't afford your own drinks at the Troubadour bar, 474 00:30:37,585 --> 00:30:39,753 and now you want to quit?" 475 00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:46,552 Linda was extremely gracious about the whole thing, 476 00:30:46,719 --> 00:30:47,928 as was John Boylan. 477 00:30:48,096 --> 00:30:51,014 They weren't resentful or bitter at all. 478 00:30:51,182 --> 00:30:52,349 They were great. 479 00:30:52,517 --> 00:30:54,157 They were supportive, as a matter of fact. 480 00:31:06,197 --> 00:31:08,282 They started talking about putting a band together, 481 00:31:08,449 --> 00:31:11,493 and we told them they should get Bernie Leadon. 482 00:31:11,661 --> 00:31:14,997 I was in several bands in L.A. Early on, I met Linda. 483 00:31:15,164 --> 00:31:16,790 Then I worked with Dillard & Clark... 484 00:31:16,958 --> 00:31:20,794 Doug Dillard, banjo player, and Gene Clark from the Byrds. 485 00:31:20,962 --> 00:31:24,298 And so, now I'm in an offshoot of the Byrds world, 486 00:31:24,465 --> 00:31:26,884 and then that turned into an invitation 487 00:31:27,051 --> 00:31:28,886 from the Burrito Brothers from Chris Hillman 488 00:31:29,053 --> 00:31:32,472 to come join them for their second album on A&M. 489 00:31:39,772 --> 00:31:43,233 And I was still in the Burritos, but they had lost Gram Parsons, 490 00:31:43,401 --> 00:31:46,361 and it had changed, and I wasn't that interested anymore. 491 00:31:49,324 --> 00:31:51,325 Bernie was a very accomplished banjo player, 492 00:31:51,492 --> 00:31:52,784 and he could also play guitar 493 00:31:52,952 --> 00:31:54,828 in what we called the Bindi lick style. 494 00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,164 It was pioneered by a fellow named Clarence White. 495 00:31:57,874 --> 00:32:00,250 And then Glenn told me about this guy named Randy Meisner 496 00:32:00,418 --> 00:32:02,377 who had been in a band called Poco. 497 00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:05,797 Randy could sing really high, and he also played bass. 498 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:10,677 So, Glenn just kind of asked me one day 499 00:32:10,845 --> 00:32:13,931 if I'd be interested in starting a group with him. 500 00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:17,392 And he had Henley and Bernie. 501 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,687 That was the first Eagles. 502 00:32:20,855 --> 00:32:23,065 So, the plan was that Glenn and I 503 00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:25,400 would try to recruit Bernie and Randy, 504 00:32:25,568 --> 00:32:27,235 and then we would all go to David Geffen 505 00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:30,280 and see if he would give us a recording contract. 506 00:32:30,448 --> 00:32:33,909 In the '70s, Asylum Records was considered the L.A. Sound... 507 00:32:34,077 --> 00:32:38,038 Joni Mitchell, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Jackson Browne. 508 00:32:38,206 --> 00:32:42,417 David Geffen, who started Asylum, is our patron, you know. 509 00:32:42,585 --> 00:32:45,754 A medici, medici of rock 'n' roll. 510 00:32:46,631 --> 00:32:48,465 It's a very artist-oriented company, 511 00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:50,968 and whatever they want to do, we support them. 512 00:32:51,135 --> 00:32:52,344 If we believe in them, we'll stick with them, 513 00:32:52,512 --> 00:32:53,633 whether they make it or not. 514 00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:56,932 Jackson was our conduit to David Geffen. 515 00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:59,059 He was the first guy to get signed 516 00:32:59,227 --> 00:33:02,145 by Geffen's new Asylum Records label. 517 00:33:02,313 --> 00:33:04,147 So, we all walk in Geffen's office, 518 00:33:04,315 --> 00:33:06,274 and we basically said, "Here we are." 519 00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:09,569 Bernie Leadon just boldly says to Geffen, 520 00:33:09,737 --> 00:33:12,239 "Well, do you want us or not?" 521 00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:13,949 They were dying to sign with me. 522 00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:16,868 I think they were very ambitious, particularly Glenn. 523 00:33:17,036 --> 00:33:18,662 Glenn wanted to have a hit band. 524 00:33:18,830 --> 00:33:20,330 I loved the way Don sang. 525 00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:22,749 You know, we all had hopes for it. 526 00:33:22,917 --> 00:33:25,585 All of a sudden, we were signed to Geffen's new label. 527 00:33:25,753 --> 00:33:27,421 They sent us back to the drawing board. 528 00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:29,506 They said, "You guys need to go and rehearse some more." 529 00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:31,674 They said, "You know, you need to write some songs. 530 00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:33,196 You're not really ready to record yet." 531 00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:38,849 So, they packed us off to Aspen, Colorado. 532 00:33:39,017 --> 00:33:40,142 It could have been worse. 533 00:33:40,309 --> 00:33:42,352 There were people who were way higher 534 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,187 than any of us had ever been. 535 00:33:46,274 --> 00:33:49,735 It was a Wild West wide-open town at that point. 536 00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:57,997 We played at a club up there called the Gallery, 537 00:33:58,077 --> 00:34:00,746 which was located right at the foot of Aspen Mountain. 538 00:34:09,714 --> 00:34:12,299 We didn't have a big catalog of our own tunes at that point. 539 00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:14,593 We were just getting started. 540 00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:19,723 We needed to learn how to play together as a band, and we did. 541 00:34:35,031 --> 00:34:37,491 And then it was like, "Okay, we need to make a record. 542 00:34:37,658 --> 00:34:39,058 Who are we gonna get to produce it?" 543 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,244 We wanted to shoot as high as we could. 544 00:34:41,412 --> 00:34:44,081 Glenn Frey came up with Glyn Johns as an idea. 545 00:34:44,248 --> 00:34:47,501 Glyn Johns was a name that kept popping up 546 00:34:47,668 --> 00:34:50,212 on records we loved. 547 00:34:51,756 --> 00:34:54,341 The first time I heard them was in Aspen. 548 00:34:54,509 --> 00:34:55,926 I was not at all impressed, really. 549 00:35:01,015 --> 00:35:03,683 I thought they were confused. 550 00:35:03,851 --> 00:35:07,437 Glenn Frey wanted to be in a rock-'n'-roll band, 551 00:35:07,605 --> 00:35:09,606 and Bernie Leadon, on the other side, 552 00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:12,109 was one of the greatest acoustic players... 553 00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:13,693 country players, if you like. 554 00:35:13,861 --> 00:35:16,530 And there was a bit of a confusion. 555 00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:19,449 I didn't see what all the fuss was about at all. 556 00:35:19,617 --> 00:35:21,201 So I passed. 557 00:35:21,369 --> 00:35:23,620 We're like, "God dang, what..." 558 00:35:23,788 --> 00:35:26,581 You know, it's not what we expected. 559 00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:31,294 He had worked with Led Zeppelin, the Who, the Stones, 560 00:35:31,462 --> 00:35:33,046 so he was coming from that, 561 00:35:33,214 --> 00:35:36,758 and he said flat-out, "You're not that, man." 562 00:35:36,926 --> 00:35:42,013 It isn't always easy to spot what's hot about an artist 563 00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:43,302 if you go and see them play. 564 00:35:43,432 --> 00:35:44,712 You can see them on a bad night. 565 00:35:44,851 --> 00:35:47,853 You know, it's not necessarily the fairest way of doing it. 566 00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:50,772 So, I thought, "Well, the best thing to do 567 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:53,942 would be for me to see them in a rehearsal situation 568 00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:56,486 where we could converse and they could play new stuff 569 00:35:56,654 --> 00:35:57,821 and I could stop and start." 570 00:35:57,989 --> 00:36:01,324 And they played the stuff that they played in Aspen, 571 00:36:01,492 --> 00:36:02,826 and it all sounded pretty much the same. 572 00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:05,871 Well, I was thinking, "I don't get it. I still don't get it." 573 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:12,169 So, we decided to take a break for lunch, 574 00:36:12,336 --> 00:36:13,795 and as we were leaving, 575 00:36:13,963 --> 00:36:17,507 somebody said, "Oh, why don't we play Glyn that ballad?" 576 00:36:29,020 --> 00:36:31,897 And it just completely blew me off my feet. 577 00:36:32,064 --> 00:36:34,191 I mean, there it was. That was the sound. 578 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:46,661 Extraordinary blend of voices, wonderful harmony sound. 579 00:36:46,829 --> 00:36:49,789 Just stunning. And that was it. 580 00:36:49,957 --> 00:36:51,166 I was in with both feet. 581 00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:00,383 Except that Glyn Johns 582 00:37:00,551 --> 00:37:02,511 didn't want to come to the United States and work. 583 00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:03,929 He wanted to work in London 584 00:37:04,096 --> 00:37:06,096 in the recording studios that he was familiar with, 585 00:37:06,182 --> 00:37:07,662 and so they shipped us off to England. 586 00:37:08,309 --> 00:37:09,949 I don't think that any of us except Bernie 587 00:37:10,019 --> 00:37:11,645 had ever been out of the country, 588 00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:14,356 so it was a little bit like going to the moon for us. 589 00:37:24,242 --> 00:37:25,575 And I'm stoked. 590 00:37:25,743 --> 00:37:26,664 You know, I'm thinking, 591 00:37:26,827 --> 00:37:29,704 "I'm gonna go to Beatle country with Glyn Johns. 592 00:37:29,872 --> 00:37:31,581 I'm gonna record in the same studio 593 00:37:31,749 --> 00:37:34,209 where Led Zeppelin did 'Rock and Roll'. 594 00:37:34,377 --> 00:37:36,461 Oh, my God, I can't wait." 595 00:37:36,629 --> 00:37:40,590 We were recorded at the famous Olympic studios, 596 00:37:40,758 --> 00:37:43,260 where a lot of legendary records had been made. 597 00:37:43,427 --> 00:37:45,595 Glyn Johns... he had a certain style of recording, 598 00:37:45,763 --> 00:37:47,389 which was very organic. 599 00:37:47,556 --> 00:37:49,766 He would simply place a few mikes around the room, 600 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:50,725 and off you go. 601 00:37:50,893 --> 00:37:53,019 You know, rather than, for example, 602 00:37:53,187 --> 00:37:55,188 placing a microphone on each and every drum, 603 00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:57,440 he would just put three microphones on the drum kit. 604 00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:59,048 He was accustomed to recording people 605 00:37:59,068 --> 00:38:01,444 like John Bonham with Led Zeppelin. 606 00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,073 And I said to Glyn, "I want the bass drum to be louder." 607 00:38:05,241 --> 00:38:07,909 And he said, "If you want it louder, hit it harder," you know? 608 00:38:08,077 --> 00:38:09,357 And I hit it as hard as I could, 609 00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:12,372 but I couldn't hit it as hard as John Bonham. 610 00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:15,542 He had a bunch of rules that really didn't suit me 611 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:17,502 and some of the other guys, too. 612 00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:20,130 You know, no getting high in the studio, 613 00:38:20,298 --> 00:38:21,798 no drinking in the studio. 614 00:38:21,966 --> 00:38:24,718 I agreed wholeheartedly with Glyn Johns 615 00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:27,470 regarding drugs and alcohol in the studio... 616 00:38:27,638 --> 00:38:30,515 that we'd get more work done and that it would be better work. 617 00:38:32,184 --> 00:38:33,643 When I got the opportunity to produce 618 00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:35,729 and therefore be in the chair, 619 00:38:35,896 --> 00:38:39,274 I decided that I would no longer put up with that. 620 00:38:39,442 --> 00:38:40,803 Somebody said to me the other night 621 00:38:40,818 --> 00:38:47,741 that I was the designated driver in the '60s and early '70s. 622 00:38:47,908 --> 00:38:49,576 Glyn had worked with the Rolling Stones 623 00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:51,828 at a time when they went to the studio 624 00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:54,873 and did nothing except wait for Keith, you know, 625 00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:57,834 to go down in the basement and play his guitar 626 00:38:58,002 --> 00:38:59,294 until he came up with some riff. 627 00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:01,838 So, Glyn was impatient. 628 00:39:02,006 --> 00:39:05,633 The Stones had burned him out on the, you know, 629 00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:08,042 "get high in the studio and wait for something to happen" 630 00:39:08,179 --> 00:39:09,012 kind of thing. 631 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:11,222 Let's go. We're rolling. 632 00:39:12,308 --> 00:39:13,391 One, two, three. 633 00:39:46,967 --> 00:39:49,552 There were three hit singles on the first album. 634 00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,805 "Peaceful Easy Feeling" was written by Jack Tempchin, 635 00:39:51,972 --> 00:39:54,224 who is our friend and frequent collaborator. 636 00:40:00,648 --> 00:40:03,441 "Peaceful Easy Feeling" captures the time, 637 00:40:03,609 --> 00:40:05,443 captures this attitude. 638 00:40:05,611 --> 00:40:08,405 You can feel the wind blowing across the desert. 639 00:40:25,506 --> 00:40:28,425 The second hit was "Witchy Woman," which I wrote with Bernie. 640 00:40:30,177 --> 00:40:33,263 "Witchy Woman" started as a guitar figure. 641 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,474 Then we were jamming it one day, and everybody was digging it. 642 00:40:36,642 --> 00:40:39,352 And then Henley came back the next day with the lyrics. 643 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,400 During the time that the Eagles were on the road 644 00:41:23,522 --> 00:41:25,982 for the first album, we had just come through the '60s... 645 00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,485 civil rights movement, '68... 646 00:41:28,652 --> 00:41:31,779 all the assassinations, all the rioting. 647 00:41:32,740 --> 00:41:34,949 The Vietnam War still winding up. 648 00:41:35,117 --> 00:41:36,951 Nixon, Watergate. 649 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:38,328 I welcome this kind of examination. 650 00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:41,122 I really think that part of the reason 651 00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:43,208 that the Eagles succeeded the way they did 652 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:46,127 was because the country and people and young people 653 00:41:46,295 --> 00:41:48,046 needed to feel like things were okay. 654 00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:51,466 So, here comes this song "Take It Easy." 655 00:42:44,353 --> 00:42:46,646 Jackson had this song called "Take It Easy." 656 00:42:46,814 --> 00:42:47,939 He couldn't finish the song. 657 00:42:48,107 --> 00:42:50,108 He was stuck in the second verse. 658 00:42:50,276 --> 00:42:54,862 He had "I'm standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona." 659 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:58,866 And so, I filled in, "Such a fine sight to see. 660 00:42:59,034 --> 00:43:00,785 It's a girl, my Lord, in a flatbed Ford 661 00:43:00,953 --> 00:43:02,353 slowing down to take a look at me." 662 00:43:15,926 --> 00:43:19,012 Girl, Lord, Ford... I mean, all the redemption, you know... 663 00:43:19,179 --> 00:43:22,223 girls and cars and redemption all in this one line. 664 00:43:22,391 --> 00:43:24,475 I mean, he's very mercurical. 665 00:43:24,643 --> 00:43:27,770 You know... mercurial? Mercurial. 666 00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:30,356 And he's mercurical, too. 667 00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:45,371 All right! 668 00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:53,546 Someone once asked Stephen Stills about the Eagles, 669 00:43:53,714 --> 00:43:57,008 and his response was, "They just wanted to be us." 670 00:43:57,176 --> 00:43:59,594 But when it came time to do our album covers, 671 00:43:59,762 --> 00:44:02,889 they suggested that we use Gary Burden and Henry Diltz. 672 00:44:03,057 --> 00:44:05,642 They had done the first Crosby, Stills, Nash cover 673 00:44:05,809 --> 00:44:07,268 and some stuff for Joni. 674 00:44:07,436 --> 00:44:09,646 The one I really remember was the Mamas and Papas 675 00:44:09,813 --> 00:44:11,105 all sitting in the bathtub. 676 00:44:11,273 --> 00:44:13,816 That was one of their album covers. 677 00:44:13,984 --> 00:44:17,403 So, these were, like, the cool guys to have work on your album. 678 00:44:17,571 --> 00:44:22,158 Gary Burden is about 40 years old, full beard, 679 00:44:22,326 --> 00:44:25,912 long, grayish, wavy hair, crystal-blue eyes. 680 00:44:26,580 --> 00:44:32,251 Henry was sort of magical, non-invasive photographer guy. 681 00:44:32,419 --> 00:44:35,380 For the Eagles, it was the peyote spirits 682 00:44:35,547 --> 00:44:37,674 which the American Indians, of course, 683 00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:41,177 ate peyote and had a very, very spiritual experience, 684 00:44:41,345 --> 00:44:44,430 and they would maybe meet their animal totem 685 00:44:44,598 --> 00:44:47,392 or they would get their quest for life. 686 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:51,771 My deal was always to take the bands out of their comfort zone. 687 00:44:51,939 --> 00:44:55,274 Take them away from their girlfriends, from telephones, 688 00:44:55,442 --> 00:44:59,070 from anything, and have them under my control 689 00:44:59,238 --> 00:45:03,616 so that I could get things to happen without any interference. 690 00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:05,660 And so, we would take trips. 691 00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:08,496 Now, how this plan came about exactly, 692 00:45:08,664 --> 00:45:13,626 today you have to scratch your head, but this was the plan. 693 00:45:13,794 --> 00:45:15,378 Okay, we'll all go to the Troubadour, 694 00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:18,339 and we'll stay there till closing time. 695 00:45:18,507 --> 00:45:21,592 And then we'll drive to Joshua Tree. 696 00:45:24,388 --> 00:45:27,348 We had a bag of peyote buttons, a bunch of trail mix, 697 00:45:27,516 --> 00:45:30,643 some tequila, and some water, and some blankets. 698 00:45:30,811 --> 00:45:33,229 And the seven of us set out for Joshua Tree. 699 00:45:33,897 --> 00:45:36,399 We got there probably about 4:30 in the morning, 700 00:45:36,567 --> 00:45:38,025 parked in this special place 701 00:45:38,193 --> 00:45:40,611 that I don't know how we found it in the dark. 702 00:45:45,659 --> 00:45:49,954 We all took one peyote button, put it in our mouths, 703 00:45:50,122 --> 00:45:54,500 and started hiking up to the place that we were supposed to go. 704 00:45:54,668 --> 00:45:58,337 So, right around the time that we're getting to the campsite 705 00:45:58,505 --> 00:45:59,945 and we're starting to build the fire 706 00:46:00,090 --> 00:46:03,551 and starting to cook some peyote tea, and the first buttons... 707 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,179 everybody's chewing the first button, 708 00:46:06,346 --> 00:46:10,558 and the drug starts coming on just as the sun is rising. 709 00:46:26,700 --> 00:46:28,618 I think everybody got higher 710 00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:31,245 than they ever imagined anybody could be, 711 00:46:31,413 --> 00:46:33,414 and it was a good thing. 712 00:46:33,582 --> 00:46:37,752 We were after getting into life deeper and better 713 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,587 and more and surrendering. 714 00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:49,972 I had to go to the bathroom, so I left the campsite, 715 00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:54,769 and I hear the guys yelling from the campfire, "Eagle! Eagle!" 716 00:46:54,937 --> 00:46:57,980 I look up, and it's soaring right above me. 717 00:46:58,148 --> 00:46:59,649 Huge wingspan. 718 00:46:59,817 --> 00:47:02,819 I'm, like, scuffling to get my pants back up, and I'm slipping. 719 00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:06,405 I fall down, and the bird just kind of goes, 720 00:47:06,573 --> 00:47:10,159 "Eagles, huh? Yeah, I don't think so." 721 00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:16,040 The images of the first album cover, 722 00:47:16,208 --> 00:47:21,003 I think, really set the tone for visually what Eagles are. 723 00:47:21,171 --> 00:47:22,964 Gary designed the album cover 724 00:47:23,131 --> 00:47:27,176 so that it would open up into a whole poster, 725 00:47:27,344 --> 00:47:31,013 and at the bottom were the Eagles around the campfire. 726 00:47:31,181 --> 00:47:33,140 And then, up at the top, 727 00:47:33,308 --> 00:47:36,978 it would go on up into the sky and the eagle up in the sky. 728 00:47:37,145 --> 00:47:40,523 But David Geffen thought that would be confusing, 729 00:47:40,691 --> 00:47:43,651 and without consulting us or consulting Gary or the Eagles 730 00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:46,237 or anybody, he told them, "Just glue it shut." 731 00:47:46,405 --> 00:47:49,490 And so, then, when they glued it shut, you would get this... 732 00:47:49,658 --> 00:47:52,201 this album, front and back, and you'd open it up, 733 00:47:52,369 --> 00:47:53,744 and it would be upside-down, 734 00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:56,122 which didn't make any sense to anybody. 735 00:48:02,045 --> 00:48:04,046 The fact was that the success of the first album 736 00:48:04,214 --> 00:48:05,715 scared the hell out of us. 737 00:48:05,883 --> 00:48:08,634 Why me instead of some guy down the street, you know? 738 00:48:08,802 --> 00:48:10,344 Why me and some friends of mine 739 00:48:10,512 --> 00:48:12,805 who are just as good of musicians as I am, you know, 740 00:48:12,973 --> 00:48:15,308 but it happened to me and it didn't happen to them? 741 00:48:15,475 --> 00:48:16,684 I don't know. 742 00:48:16,852 --> 00:48:20,062 Success can sometimes be just as disconcerting 743 00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:21,981 and frightening as failure, 744 00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:23,510 especially when you have questions 745 00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:26,068 about your own worthiness and your abilities. 746 00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:29,280 It came time to do another album. 747 00:48:29,448 --> 00:48:32,700 Don and I decided we'd try to write some songs together. 748 00:48:32,868 --> 00:48:34,869 I had been sitting over on Aqua Vista. 749 00:48:35,037 --> 00:48:36,077 I was living on the couch, 750 00:48:36,204 --> 00:48:37,964 and I'm just laying there playing the guitar, 751 00:48:38,081 --> 00:48:39,665 and I started going... 752 00:48:41,752 --> 00:48:43,712 You know, I'm thinking, "Yeah, that's pretty cool, 753 00:48:43,837 --> 00:48:45,338 kind of Roy Orbison, kind of Mexican. 754 00:48:45,505 --> 00:48:46,714 Yeah, I like that." 755 00:48:46,882 --> 00:48:49,675 So, I showed him, you know, that guitar riff. 756 00:48:49,843 --> 00:48:51,803 I said, "Maybe we should write something to this." 757 00:49:22,542 --> 00:49:25,002 Songs like "Desperado" and "Tequila Sunrise"... 758 00:49:25,170 --> 00:49:27,254 that's when Glenn and I began collaborating, 759 00:49:27,422 --> 00:49:29,840 and that's when we really became a songwriting team. 760 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,858 Earlier that year, 761 00:49:48,026 --> 00:49:52,488 someone had given Jackson Browne the book of gunfighters. 762 00:49:52,656 --> 00:49:54,281 It had all the big outlaw groups... 763 00:49:54,449 --> 00:49:57,743 Frank and Jesse, the Doolin-Dalton gang. 764 00:49:57,911 --> 00:50:00,037 We were all just fascinated with those guys, 765 00:50:00,205 --> 00:50:02,415 and we thought it would make a great analogy. 766 00:50:02,582 --> 00:50:06,127 Well, for example, we live outside the laws of normality. 767 00:50:06,294 --> 00:50:09,630 Also, you usually... because of records or bank robberies, 768 00:50:09,798 --> 00:50:12,508 you usually heard about these guys before you ever saw them. 769 00:50:13,552 --> 00:50:17,847 They had posters that were wanted posters up for people. 770 00:50:21,685 --> 00:50:24,520 There just seemed to be some parallels. 771 00:50:28,692 --> 00:50:30,943 It wasn't really like we were outlaws, 772 00:50:31,111 --> 00:50:34,905 but I think they did have their nobler characteristics. 773 00:50:43,206 --> 00:50:44,331 We started talking about it. 774 00:50:44,499 --> 00:50:46,125 Then we said, "Well, maybe we should do, like, 775 00:50:46,293 --> 00:50:48,753 an album all about the rebels." 776 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,379 We got to doing this outlaw album, 777 00:50:50,547 --> 00:50:54,383 and we had eight songs finished, and we needed two more. 778 00:50:54,551 --> 00:50:58,637 An idea Randy came up with was how the guy became an outlaw 779 00:50:58,805 --> 00:51:01,015 and how he became a guitar player. 780 00:51:34,925 --> 00:51:37,927 I kind of started it, and that's what usually happened. 781 00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:40,346 I'd get a verse or two, and then I'm done, 782 00:51:40,514 --> 00:51:42,598 and they would help fill in the blanks. 783 00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:56,987 Nobody expected there to be a concept album 784 00:51:57,155 --> 00:51:59,448 with Western cowboys music. 785 00:51:59,908 --> 00:52:03,285 Don Henley was from Texas. He was a cowboy. 786 00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:06,622 Glenn was from Detroit. He wanted to be a cowboy. 787 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:10,626 Because I knew all these guys had a little cowboy inside of them, 788 00:52:10,794 --> 00:52:12,628 I took them to Western costume 789 00:52:12,796 --> 00:52:15,798 and just said, "Pick out your persona." 790 00:52:15,966 --> 00:52:19,844 Their premise was that, if they had lived 100 years ago, 791 00:52:20,011 --> 00:52:23,889 in like 1872, they probably would have been gunslingers. 792 00:52:24,057 --> 00:52:25,138 Everybody's gonna be firing 793 00:52:25,183 --> 00:52:26,642 in the direction of this building right here. 794 00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:29,812 Jackson, J.D., Boyd, you all got to be in the picture more. 795 00:52:29,980 --> 00:52:31,147 We're gonna be in there. 796 00:52:31,314 --> 00:52:34,483 You ready? One, two, three! 797 00:52:40,407 --> 00:52:42,366 And we fired so many blanks 798 00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:45,953 that it was a cloud of smoke hanging over this Western town, 799 00:52:46,121 --> 00:52:50,791 and the fire department came 'cause they thought it was a fire. 800 00:52:51,835 --> 00:52:54,086 Keep firing! 801 00:52:54,254 --> 00:52:56,535 We were just a bunch of kids. We were just playing around. 802 00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:05,982 The picture that's on the back of the album... 803 00:53:06,016 --> 00:53:07,266 there's a lot of reality in it. 804 00:53:07,434 --> 00:53:10,144 All of the agents and managers and road managers, 805 00:53:10,312 --> 00:53:12,479 all the guys who didn't play are standing up, 806 00:53:12,647 --> 00:53:14,690 alive with badges and guns, 807 00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:18,402 and the four Eagles at the time and Jackson and I are all dead, 808 00:53:18,570 --> 00:53:20,362 bound up the way they used to do 809 00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:22,114 when they'd catch outlaws in those days. 810 00:53:22,282 --> 00:53:23,603 They'd stand them up for display. 811 00:53:23,742 --> 00:53:27,745 People never tired of looking at the corpse of a bad boy. 812 00:53:29,706 --> 00:53:32,791 We all felt, when we were doing it and as it was delivered, 813 00:53:32,959 --> 00:53:36,170 that it was another really remarkable record 814 00:53:36,338 --> 00:53:37,755 on the part of the band. 815 00:53:37,923 --> 00:53:39,048 I mean, it was pretty extraordinary. 816 00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:42,009 The band and I were enormously thrilled with it. 817 00:53:42,177 --> 00:53:45,054 They literally carried me out of the control room. 818 00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:47,640 They chaired me out of the control room. 819 00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:56,232 "Desperado" comes out, and it bombs. 820 00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:01,654 Jerry Greenberg was the Vice President of Atlantic Records. 821 00:54:01,821 --> 00:54:04,740 They were excited to get the second Eagles album. 822 00:54:04,908 --> 00:54:07,868 We played him "Desperado," and he said, "Hmm, that's, yeah, 823 00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:10,704 that's nice, that's good, that's nice," 824 00:54:10,872 --> 00:54:11,953 and turned around and said, 825 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,751 "God, they made a fuckin' cowboy record." 826 00:54:26,012 --> 00:54:29,265 I was extremely flattered that Linda recorded "Desperado." 827 00:54:29,432 --> 00:54:32,101 It was really her that popularized the song. 828 00:54:32,269 --> 00:54:35,521 Her version was very poignant and beautiful. 829 00:54:50,787 --> 00:54:52,913 There have been a lot of articles and things 830 00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:55,165 that identify me with the L.A. Sound. 831 00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:58,252 It's sort of, like, me and Jackson Browne and the Eagles. 832 00:54:58,420 --> 00:55:00,581 All of us are reaching out for other musical influences 833 00:55:00,672 --> 00:55:01,714 all the time. 834 00:55:01,881 --> 00:55:05,092 The so-called southern California sound was developing. 835 00:55:05,260 --> 00:55:07,678 It was fresh, it was different, it was unique. 836 00:55:07,846 --> 00:55:10,014 It was a melting pot, people moving here 837 00:55:10,181 --> 00:55:12,433 from all over the United States to pursue their dream... 838 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:16,020 actors, musicians, wannabe managers, agents, 839 00:55:16,187 --> 00:55:17,521 wannabe, you know, like me. 840 00:55:21,568 --> 00:55:25,112 I picked up the phone cold and called David Geffen, 841 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,989 who was just starting Asylum Records. 842 00:55:27,157 --> 00:55:30,242 Long story short, I took a job as a manager with Asylum. 843 00:55:32,329 --> 00:55:34,955 I was intrigued. I wanted to know about the Eagles 844 00:55:35,123 --> 00:55:37,458 and meet the Eagles 'cause I was a fan. 845 00:55:38,001 --> 00:55:40,002 Emergency. 846 00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:42,671 I get a phone call. Glenn Frey's on the phone. 847 00:55:42,839 --> 00:55:45,507 "We need money for Christmas. Can you book dates?" 848 00:55:45,675 --> 00:55:46,633 I book some dates. 849 00:55:46,801 --> 00:55:49,511 So, I get on a plane and go out to meet them. 850 00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:51,847 First of all, the show was fantastic. 851 00:55:52,015 --> 00:55:56,685 Crowd was nothing like I'd seen a year, year and a half earlier. 852 00:55:56,853 --> 00:55:59,938 Good evening. Welcome to the Portland version of... 853 00:56:00,106 --> 00:56:01,732 - Spread eagle. - Spread eagle. 854 00:56:01,900 --> 00:56:04,276 Tonight, the promoter gave us chopsticks. 855 00:56:04,444 --> 00:56:06,779 I don't think we ever checked in a hotel. 856 00:56:06,946 --> 00:56:09,907 We went from there to a party at a sorority house. 857 00:56:10,075 --> 00:56:11,742 One thing led to another, 858 00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:14,578 and I'd never seen anything like this. 859 00:56:14,746 --> 00:56:15,996 They wouldn't give us any booze in the bar. 860 00:56:16,164 --> 00:56:18,457 We tried to get some booze, but they fucked up, 861 00:56:18,625 --> 00:56:19,875 so we may burn the fucking place down. 862 00:56:20,043 --> 00:56:20,876 We're not sure. 863 00:56:21,044 --> 00:56:24,671 I don't think we went to sleep. It was Eagle mania. 864 00:56:27,425 --> 00:56:29,259 And then they went off to England 865 00:56:29,427 --> 00:56:31,637 to record "On the Border" with Glyn Johns. 866 00:56:33,890 --> 00:56:36,392 They were quite open to being produced. 867 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,394 Understandably, that changed. 868 00:56:38,561 --> 00:56:43,899 They began to be more opinionated and less insecure, perhaps. 869 00:56:44,067 --> 00:56:46,235 We wanted to play rock 'n' roll 870 00:56:46,403 --> 00:56:48,862 or at least a more rock-'n'-roll version of country music, 871 00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:50,781 and Glyn Johns was of the opinion 872 00:56:50,949 --> 00:56:53,158 that we weren't really capable of that. 873 00:56:53,326 --> 00:56:55,577 I think he had been bombarded by loud, 874 00:56:55,745 --> 00:56:58,580 aggressive rock 'n' roll for many, many years. 875 00:56:58,748 --> 00:56:59,873 At that point in his life, 876 00:57:00,041 --> 00:57:03,001 he wanted mellow people and mellow music, 877 00:57:03,169 --> 00:57:07,589 and we weren't exactly at the same stage in life. 878 00:57:07,757 --> 00:57:10,050 Frey sort of took over more. 879 00:57:10,218 --> 00:57:12,428 He had this desire to be something 880 00:57:12,595 --> 00:57:16,515 that I didn't really feel that they were capable of doing. 881 00:57:16,683 --> 00:57:19,726 He and Glenn Frey were like oil and water. 882 00:57:19,894 --> 00:57:22,271 They clashed frequently. 883 00:57:22,439 --> 00:57:25,732 In the studio, Glyn Johns was pretty much a schoolmarm. 884 00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:28,444 He'd push, push, push, you know? 885 00:57:28,611 --> 00:57:29,811 And then he'd say, "That's it. 886 00:57:29,946 --> 00:57:31,530 That's good enough. We're moving on. 887 00:57:31,698 --> 00:57:33,699 You're not a rock-'n'-roll band. 888 00:57:33,867 --> 00:57:37,786 The Who is a rock-'n'-roll band, and you're not that." 889 00:57:37,954 --> 00:57:40,456 After each of those records, 890 00:57:40,623 --> 00:57:45,085 the band freaked out and said, "We've made a huge mistake. 891 00:57:45,253 --> 00:57:47,087 Glyn Johns missed it." 892 00:57:47,255 --> 00:57:48,755 We actually had conversations. 893 00:57:48,923 --> 00:57:51,633 You know, "Desperado" hadn't done as well as the first album. 894 00:57:51,801 --> 00:57:56,138 None of them were thrilled with the way the record sounded. 895 00:57:56,306 --> 00:58:00,225 We wanted more input into how our albums were being made. 896 00:58:00,393 --> 00:58:03,604 We wanted more input into the recording process itself. 897 00:58:04,397 --> 00:58:07,107 Don and I thought that the vocals were too wet. 898 00:58:07,275 --> 00:58:08,734 There was too much echo on them. 899 00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:11,987 And he definitely told us, "Excuse me, that's my echo. 900 00:58:12,155 --> 00:58:14,448 It's my signature. It's my bloody echo. 901 00:58:14,616 --> 00:58:16,417 It stays there. You don't tell me what to do." 902 00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:18,619 We needed to make a change. 903 00:58:21,664 --> 00:58:24,833 I joined the Navy at the height of the cold war. 904 00:58:25,001 --> 00:58:26,585 One of the main things they were doing 905 00:58:26,753 --> 00:58:30,380 was looking for Russian submarines, and you do that by using sonar. 906 00:58:31,674 --> 00:58:35,844 When I got out, I had a lot of electronics education, obviously. 907 00:58:36,012 --> 00:58:39,932 And I got a job in a recording studio here in New York. 908 00:58:40,099 --> 00:58:43,602 The first session I ever saw, like day one, day two, 909 00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:45,270 was a Carole King demo. 910 00:58:45,438 --> 00:58:46,980 She sat down and played piano, 911 00:58:47,148 --> 00:58:52,319 and it was like, "Boy, this is fun. These people are having fun here." 912 00:58:55,698 --> 00:58:57,491 I worked my way up through the ranks, 913 00:58:57,659 --> 00:59:00,160 and then, of course, after engineering for four or five years, 914 00:59:00,328 --> 00:59:01,848 I was like, "Well, I can produce better 915 00:59:01,913 --> 00:59:04,706 than some of these guys I'm working for." 916 00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:07,292 At the time, I was managing Joe Walsh, 917 00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:09,545 so I played them Walsh music 918 00:59:09,712 --> 00:59:14,341 that I thought was an example of how it could be edgier. 919 00:59:14,509 --> 00:59:16,189 Joe and I had just finished an album called 920 00:59:16,219 --> 00:59:18,720 "The Smoker You Drink, The Player You Get." 921 00:59:18,888 --> 00:59:22,266 And they heard that and said, "That's what we want to sound like." 922 00:59:22,433 --> 00:59:23,892 So, Irving arranged for us 923 00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:25,727 to have a meeting with Bill Szymczyk. 924 00:59:25,895 --> 00:59:28,522 We really only had two questions that we wanted to ask him... 925 00:59:28,690 --> 00:59:30,732 Do you mind if we have some input 926 00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:32,609 about how much echo is on the vocals? 927 00:59:32,777 --> 00:59:34,903 And we wanted somebody who would put a microphone 928 00:59:35,071 --> 00:59:36,071 on each and every drum 929 00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,031 so we could have more control over the mix. 930 00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:39,741 He said yes to every question, 931 00:59:39,909 --> 00:59:42,911 and so we knew he was the guy for us. 932 00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:45,080 I said, "Okay, under one condition. 933 00:59:45,248 --> 00:59:48,250 I have to call Glyn and make sure it's okay with him." 934 00:59:48,418 --> 00:59:50,127 So, I called him, and I said, 935 00:59:50,295 --> 00:59:53,589 you know, "Glyn, the Eagles want me to produce them." 936 00:59:53,756 --> 00:59:55,424 "Better you than me, mate." 937 00:59:55,592 --> 00:59:58,176 That's pretty much how I felt. 938 00:59:58,344 --> 01:00:02,764 I mean, it had come to a fairly unpleasant end. 939 01:00:02,932 --> 01:00:04,558 Well, okay, you know, 940 01:00:04,726 --> 01:00:08,145 so much for Beatle country with Glyn Johns. 941 01:00:11,357 --> 01:00:15,652 Let's have a warm round of applause on a hot afternoon for the Eagles. 942 01:00:31,502 --> 01:00:33,253 Along about the third album, 943 01:00:33,421 --> 01:00:37,507 I was having some difficulty in communicating, 944 01:00:37,675 --> 01:00:38,842 I felt, in the band, 945 01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:41,803 and I was starting to think maybe I should go at some point. 946 01:00:41,971 --> 01:00:44,806 They still had this unfulfilled desire 947 01:00:44,974 --> 01:00:48,852 to be a mainstream rock band and not just a vocal band, 948 01:00:49,020 --> 01:00:51,813 but I think they wanted to go in a tougher direction. 949 01:00:54,484 --> 01:00:57,319 Bernie Leadon was a country-based guitar player, 950 01:00:57,487 --> 01:01:00,572 but every time I wanted to do a rock-'n'-roll song, 951 01:01:00,740 --> 01:01:02,491 he was the lead guitar player. 952 01:01:08,247 --> 01:01:10,916 Every time we wanted to do something country that Bernie sang, 953 01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:13,293 I was supposed to be the lead guitar player, 954 01:01:13,461 --> 01:01:16,254 and I wasn't a country musician by any stretch. 955 01:01:16,422 --> 01:01:19,341 It always felt like we needed a third guitar player. 956 01:01:21,177 --> 01:01:24,763 We had met this friend of Bernie's, this guy named Don Felder. 957 01:01:24,931 --> 01:01:27,307 We were playing in Boston, and he came back to visit Bernie, 958 01:01:27,475 --> 01:01:29,768 and we were jamming upstairs in the dressing room, 959 01:01:29,936 --> 01:01:32,813 and this guy was all over the neck. 960 01:01:37,735 --> 01:01:39,611 What he brought was great chops. 961 01:01:39,779 --> 01:01:42,197 I mean, we called him Fingers... Fingers Felder... 962 01:01:42,365 --> 01:01:43,824 because he was an incredible player. 963 01:01:52,166 --> 01:01:54,246 We did that session. I think it was like three hours. 964 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,878 And then I packed up and went home, 965 01:01:57,046 --> 01:01:59,767 not thinking anything more about it than it was just another session. 966 01:01:59,924 --> 01:02:01,717 And the next day, Glenn called me 967 01:02:01,884 --> 01:02:04,052 and asked me if I would like to join the band. 968 01:02:04,637 --> 01:02:07,013 I said, "Absolutely." 969 01:02:08,558 --> 01:02:10,350 - All right, let's do... - I'm in heaven. 970 01:02:10,518 --> 01:02:12,644 - Let's go another one. - All right, do it right! 971 01:02:12,812 --> 01:02:16,606 The banter that would go on in between takes was hysterical, 972 01:02:16,774 --> 01:02:21,820 and so I took to running a two-track to pick up these silly things. 973 01:02:21,988 --> 01:02:23,905 We were young men with raging hormones 974 01:02:24,073 --> 01:02:25,657 and something to prove. 975 01:02:25,825 --> 01:02:27,951 In the context of the times and the profession, 976 01:02:28,119 --> 01:02:30,954 the way we behaved wasn't really all that remarkable. 977 01:02:31,122 --> 01:02:32,205 The creative impulse 978 01:02:32,373 --> 01:02:34,750 comes from the dark side of the personality, 979 01:02:34,917 --> 01:02:36,585 so we worked it good, you know. 980 01:02:36,753 --> 01:02:40,380 We did a lot of stupid things, said a lot of stupid things. 981 01:02:40,548 --> 01:02:44,092 It was the '70s. There were drugs everywhere. 982 01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:48,221 Cactus sunrise was in my face 983 01:02:48,389 --> 01:02:52,934 Everyone was dying, everyone was lying and trying 984 01:02:53,102 --> 01:02:56,605 Well, rub your belly in the linseed oil 985 01:02:56,773 --> 01:02:58,607 There you go. 986 01:03:00,359 --> 01:03:02,235 Well, the heartbreak of psoriasis 987 01:03:02,403 --> 01:03:05,822 has once again descended upon the adolescent experience, 988 01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:07,365 and we'll see you later. 989 01:03:07,533 --> 01:03:09,785 See you at the show later on tonight. 990 01:03:09,952 --> 01:03:12,871 The question was, you know, who could handle it? 991 01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:15,499 Who could function? Who could show up? 992 01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:15,809 There were always girls. 993 01:04:22,692 --> 01:04:25,694 There were a lot of opportunities out on the road 994 01:04:25,862 --> 01:04:29,072 to entertain ourselves with one thing or another. 995 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,658 So, we started to perfect after-show partying, 996 01:04:31,826 --> 01:04:34,578 and we invented a place called the Third Encore. 997 01:04:34,745 --> 01:04:37,956 We did two encores in our show, so the third encore was the party. 998 01:04:38,541 --> 01:04:40,709 Everybody in the band and everybody in the crew 999 01:04:40,877 --> 01:04:43,086 was given a bunch of buttons, and all we said was, 1000 01:04:43,254 --> 01:04:46,172 "No weirdos, no strange people, okay? 1001 01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:48,383 If you're gonna give a button to somebody, 1002 01:04:48,551 --> 01:04:50,051 you know, make it count." 1003 01:04:50,219 --> 01:04:51,219 Totally sick. 1004 01:04:51,387 --> 01:04:53,805 There's some real warped shit coming on now, ladies and gentlemen. 1005 01:04:53,973 --> 01:04:56,391 A member of Andy Warthog's pop-bowel movement 1006 01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,185 has just tried to crash our party. 1007 01:04:59,353 --> 01:05:00,186 What the... 1008 01:05:00,354 --> 01:05:04,232 Welcome to Pittsburgh Spread Eagle. 1009 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:05,650 We want to just ask these girls 1010 01:05:05,818 --> 01:05:08,153 why they think they have to leave now that it's 2:00. 1011 01:05:08,321 --> 01:05:10,655 One thing, he smells like beer. 1012 01:05:10,823 --> 01:05:13,158 We'd fill the bathtubs up with Budweiser, 1013 01:05:13,326 --> 01:05:15,577 and we'd have a party after every show. 1014 01:05:15,745 --> 01:05:17,412 - Your name, please. - Tammy Farley. 1015 01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:19,539 Tammy, Tammy, Tammy. 1016 01:05:19,707 --> 01:05:21,347 Here we have Karen. Karen is 20 years old. 1017 01:05:21,459 --> 01:05:22,459 - Is that correct? - Yeah. 1018 01:05:22,543 --> 01:05:23,919 What's your name, dear? 1019 01:05:24,086 --> 01:05:25,337 - Fuck it, man. - Pardon? 1020 01:05:25,504 --> 01:05:27,380 Fuck it. Her name's fuck it, man. 1021 01:05:28,090 --> 01:05:31,343 I want to talk about sex and drugs. 1022 01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:32,886 Who wants to go first? 1023 01:05:33,054 --> 01:05:35,764 I'm not lost for words on either subject. 1024 01:05:35,932 --> 01:05:39,059 Sex and drugs kind of came as a big package in the '60s. 1025 01:05:39,226 --> 01:05:40,727 You know, it seemed like everybody... 1026 01:05:40,895 --> 01:05:44,105 the sexual revolution and the drug thing, I guess, 1027 01:05:44,273 --> 01:05:48,109 probably started out together. 1028 01:05:48,277 --> 01:05:49,986 Didn't they? 1029 01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:54,115 Don and I both tried to have relationships 1030 01:05:54,283 --> 01:05:57,118 while we were members of the Eagles, 1031 01:05:57,286 --> 01:06:01,831 but it was always like the Eagles trumped everything. 1032 01:06:01,999 --> 01:06:04,125 When the Eagles became successful, 1033 01:06:04,293 --> 01:06:06,503 we challenged all the rules. 1034 01:06:08,547 --> 01:06:10,799 Like when David Geffen left Asylum Records 1035 01:06:10,967 --> 01:06:14,636 and sold everything to Warner Bros. And started his new empire. 1036 01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:16,262 Let's be frank. 1037 01:06:16,430 --> 01:06:19,099 When we signed that contract, we were idiots. 1038 01:06:19,266 --> 01:06:21,851 We knew nothing about the business. 1039 01:06:22,019 --> 01:06:24,479 We had poor legal representation, 1040 01:06:24,647 --> 01:06:26,398 nobody looking out for us. 1041 01:06:26,565 --> 01:06:31,027 Remember, bands don't really get record royalties usually ever. 1042 01:06:31,195 --> 01:06:35,615 So, they get money from touring, but they get publishing money. 1043 01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:38,034 So, in the very beginning, one thing that Geffen did 1044 01:06:38,202 --> 01:06:39,411 that I thought was great... 1045 01:06:39,578 --> 01:06:42,038 he had us form a band publishing company. 1046 01:06:42,206 --> 01:06:44,165 All the band's publishing went in that. 1047 01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:46,501 The problem was Geffen had the other half. 1048 01:06:46,669 --> 01:06:48,669 Half the Eagles' publishing, half of my publishing, 1049 01:06:48,671 --> 01:06:50,151 half of all the artists that he signed 1050 01:06:50,256 --> 01:06:55,510 went to Warner Bros., but he got them to return mine. 1051 01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:58,013 Jackson turned me on to the Eagles. 1052 01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:00,098 He had turned me on to a lot of artists, 1053 01:07:00,266 --> 01:07:02,684 and I felt I owed him something. 1054 01:07:02,852 --> 01:07:04,519 And that, not surprisingly, 1055 01:07:04,687 --> 01:07:07,480 was not acceptable rationale to the Eagles. 1056 01:07:07,648 --> 01:07:10,191 There's a certain amount of ire, 1057 01:07:10,359 --> 01:07:14,029 like, real, you know, like, "What the fuck? 1058 01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:16,656 I mean, we didn't get our publishing back." 1059 01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:18,074 So, it was the publishing issue 1060 01:07:18,242 --> 01:07:19,951 and the fact that the business managers 1061 01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:22,037 and the lawyers were all shared common guys, 1062 01:07:22,204 --> 01:07:25,874 and did they have a conflict when an issue came up 1063 01:07:26,042 --> 01:07:27,250 and which side to take? 1064 01:07:27,418 --> 01:07:29,461 Well, it just makes you feel like meat, you know? 1065 01:07:29,628 --> 01:07:32,464 It started out as such a personal, nurturing endeavor, 1066 01:07:32,631 --> 01:07:35,008 you know, with Mr. Geffen saying, "Oh, I'm going to protect you guys. 1067 01:07:35,176 --> 01:07:37,177 "That's why I'm calling my new label 'Asylum'. 1068 01:07:37,344 --> 01:07:40,847 It's going to be a sanctuary for real artists." 1069 01:07:41,015 --> 01:07:44,184 He once said to Irving Azoff, "You know, Irving, 1070 01:07:44,351 --> 01:07:46,644 this would be a great business if there weren't artists." 1071 01:07:49,065 --> 01:07:51,775 Irving was the one guy who really believed in us, 1072 01:07:51,942 --> 01:07:54,819 that I thought could do something to help us. 1073 01:07:54,987 --> 01:07:56,571 I basically hired a lawyer and went in 1074 01:07:56,739 --> 01:07:59,908 after I said the Eagles would like their publishing back, 1075 01:08:00,076 --> 01:08:02,243 to which the obvious response was "No". 1076 01:08:02,411 --> 01:08:05,830 He sort of drew a line in the sand and declared war, 1077 01:08:05,998 --> 01:08:08,958 so I felt, for my survival as their manager, 1078 01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:12,587 I needed to prove to them that I wasn't afraid of Geffen 1079 01:08:12,755 --> 01:08:14,547 and would stand up and, you know. 1080 01:08:14,715 --> 01:08:16,341 The lawsuit was filed as a last resort. 1081 01:08:17,051 --> 01:08:20,261 I don't think David liked reading his name in the lawsuit. 1082 01:08:20,429 --> 01:08:22,847 I thought it was incredibly ungrateful 1083 01:08:23,015 --> 01:08:27,018 and they misrepresented the facts, but so be it. 1084 01:08:27,186 --> 01:08:28,812 Ultimately, we settled out of court, 1085 01:08:28,979 --> 01:08:30,688 and I don't believe it took very long. 1086 01:08:30,856 --> 01:08:32,565 He just wanted to get rid of us. 1087 01:08:32,733 --> 01:08:34,859 This is our new record contract. 1088 01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:39,364 Just paper. 1089 01:08:39,532 --> 01:08:41,699 So, then we headed off for parts unknown 1090 01:08:41,867 --> 01:08:44,077 with Irving Azoff at the helm. 1091 01:08:52,753 --> 01:08:55,004 This card game is called Eagle Poker. 1092 01:08:55,172 --> 01:08:57,215 It's a bastardization of Red Dog. 1093 01:08:57,383 --> 01:09:01,678 I invented it in Detroit, Michigan, in 1947, 1094 01:09:01,846 --> 01:09:04,514 one year before I was born. 1095 01:09:04,682 --> 01:09:07,600 We were big gamblers. We played poker all the time. 1096 01:09:07,768 --> 01:09:13,148 Oh, boy. They should have never given me money. 1097 01:09:13,315 --> 01:09:17,318 So, we decided we'd go to the Bahamas to gamble. 1098 01:09:17,486 --> 01:09:19,779 Everybody but Don was holding. 1099 01:09:19,947 --> 01:09:22,824 I had like four joints in a baggie, 1100 01:09:22,992 --> 01:09:24,512 stuffed down my sock in my cowboy boot. 1101 01:09:24,618 --> 01:09:26,703 Durkin, the pilot, has a joint. 1102 01:09:26,871 --> 01:09:30,039 Irving had about 30 valiums in a sugar pack. 1103 01:09:30,207 --> 01:09:33,960 There was a couple of customs officials there 1104 01:09:34,128 --> 01:09:36,629 that asked us to collect all our luggage and come over, 1105 01:09:36,797 --> 01:09:39,340 and they wanted to search us 'cause we looked terrible. 1106 01:09:39,508 --> 01:09:41,676 We had really long hair and patches on our jeans 1107 01:09:41,844 --> 01:09:44,512 and a beard and not slept. 1108 01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,765 Now, I'm freaking out. Bernie's freaking out. 1109 01:09:47,933 --> 01:09:50,685 Irving's freaking out. Henley's pissed off. 1110 01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:53,021 Don't touch me. 1111 01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:55,023 Well, the guy proceeds to put us all in a room together, 1112 01:09:55,191 --> 01:09:58,318 and they start searching us one by one. 1113 01:09:58,485 --> 01:10:02,989 My greatest fear is that I'm gonna be locked in a jail cell 1114 01:10:03,157 --> 01:10:05,533 with Bernie Leadon. 1115 01:10:05,701 --> 01:10:07,368 So, at this point, Irving steps in 1116 01:10:07,536 --> 01:10:10,121 and takes one of the Bahamian customs guys 1117 01:10:10,289 --> 01:10:12,832 over to the side and has a chat with him. 1118 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,169 I'm not sure, to this day, what Irving said to him. 1119 01:10:19,548 --> 01:10:23,384 The next thing I knew, they let us pass with no problem. 1120 01:10:23,552 --> 01:10:25,261 It was sort of miraculous, really, it was, 1121 01:10:25,429 --> 01:10:28,473 because I thought for sure we were gonna be in the slammer. 1122 01:10:28,641 --> 01:10:30,600 It was dumb luck that this guy bought my line 1123 01:10:30,768 --> 01:10:31,726 and didn't search them. 1124 01:10:31,894 --> 01:10:33,603 That was the day I decided Irving Azoff 1125 01:10:33,771 --> 01:10:36,022 was the greatest manager in rock 'n' roll 1126 01:10:36,190 --> 01:10:39,067 and I would never do anything without him by my side. 1127 01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:43,821 I had the only seat in a major championship fight... 1128 01:10:43,989 --> 01:10:46,616 to be sitting there when, you know, 1129 01:10:46,784 --> 01:10:50,119 when a lyric was thrown out and then hear a track. 1130 01:10:55,417 --> 01:10:58,044 And I've watched the creative process with lots of other people, 1131 01:10:58,212 --> 01:11:01,714 but I've never seen it the way it fell in place with them. 1132 01:11:01,882 --> 01:11:04,592 I remember watching "Lyin' Eyes" written. 1133 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,262 Glenn just had a way of coming up with a phrase, you know? 1134 01:11:07,429 --> 01:11:09,013 He had written some kind of a tune, 1135 01:11:09,181 --> 01:11:11,015 and they were sitting in Tana's one night 1136 01:11:11,183 --> 01:11:14,811 and looking at some young girl with an older guy at the bar, 1137 01:11:14,979 --> 01:11:17,814 and Glenn said, "Look at those lyin' eyes." 1138 01:11:17,982 --> 01:11:19,942 And just... just like that, wow, there's the song. 1139 01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,177 It was just about all these girls 1140 01:11:48,345 --> 01:11:50,385 who would come down to Dan Tana's looking beautiful, 1141 01:11:50,514 --> 01:11:52,640 and they'd be there from 8:00 to midnight 1142 01:11:52,808 --> 01:11:55,310 and have dinner and drinks with all of us rockers, 1143 01:11:55,477 --> 01:11:58,813 and then they'd go home because they were kept women. 1144 01:12:24,381 --> 01:12:26,781 You know, when we were doing the "One of These Nights" album, 1145 01:12:26,842 --> 01:12:28,426 we'd gone through three albums, 1146 01:12:28,594 --> 01:12:30,928 and the only people who'd sung on any hit records 1147 01:12:31,096 --> 01:12:32,722 were Don and myself. 1148 01:12:32,890 --> 01:12:36,559 And Randy always felt like, you know, he was a lead singer, too. 1149 01:12:36,727 --> 01:12:39,354 And I actually felt that way, too. I liked his voice. 1150 01:12:39,521 --> 01:12:42,440 So, he brought in the beginnings of "Take It To the Limit," 1151 01:12:42,608 --> 01:12:46,069 and it became the Eagles' first number-one single. 1152 01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:01,125 The line "Take It To the Limit" 1153 01:13:01,293 --> 01:13:06,714 was to keep trying before you reach a point in your life 1154 01:13:06,882 --> 01:13:09,300 where you feel, you know, you've done everything 1155 01:13:09,468 --> 01:13:11,677 and seen everything sort of feeling. 1156 01:13:11,845 --> 01:13:13,638 You know, a part of getting old, 1157 01:13:13,806 --> 01:13:16,015 and just to take it to the limit one more time, 1158 01:13:16,183 --> 01:13:19,227 like every day, just keep punching away at it. 1159 01:13:19,395 --> 01:13:21,896 And that's all that I really... that was the line, 1160 01:13:22,064 --> 01:13:26,317 and from there, the song took a different, you know, course. 1161 01:13:37,496 --> 01:13:42,083 I think everybody in the Eagles did the level best we could. 1162 01:13:42,251 --> 01:13:44,460 You have to remember how young we were, 1163 01:13:44,628 --> 01:13:47,380 the fact that nobody had anything when we started, 1164 01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:49,799 and you got all this stuff coming at you. 1165 01:13:49,967 --> 01:13:52,176 Meanwhile, you're touring all the time. 1166 01:13:52,344 --> 01:13:54,178 It's a lot. 1167 01:13:54,346 --> 01:13:58,307 To Bernie, success on any scale was synonymous with selling out. 1168 01:13:58,475 --> 01:14:01,227 He wanted us to remain sort of an underground band. 1169 01:14:01,395 --> 01:14:03,688 We had our problems with Bernie, 1170 01:14:03,856 --> 01:14:06,023 and Bernie had his problems with us. 1171 01:14:06,191 --> 01:14:08,943 Some of it was based on him being able to have a voice 1172 01:14:09,111 --> 01:14:10,278 in the Eagles 1173 01:14:10,446 --> 01:14:14,157 and record the songs he wanted to the way he wanted to. 1174 01:14:14,324 --> 01:14:16,325 We were getting more and more rocked out, 1175 01:14:16,493 --> 01:14:19,829 and I think Bernie was less and less happy about that... 1176 01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:24,792 ...to the point that, one time, we had worked on a track all night. 1177 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,321 I mean, it was a rocked-out track, 1178 01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:28,838 and we're all sitting behind the board the next day, 1179 01:14:29,006 --> 01:14:30,486 listening to the various takes of it, 1180 01:14:30,591 --> 01:14:32,800 trying to decide which take we like the best. 1181 01:14:32,968 --> 01:14:34,469 Bernie hadn't said a word. 1182 01:14:34,636 --> 01:14:35,970 So, I asked him over the board, 1183 01:14:36,138 --> 01:14:37,972 I said, "Bernie, what do you think?" 1184 01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:39,682 There's a long pause, and he gets up, 1185 01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:43,853 and he stretches, and he says, "I think I'm going surfing." 1186 01:14:44,021 --> 01:14:46,105 And he left. 1187 01:14:53,822 --> 01:14:55,698 I was caught in the middle a lot of times. 1188 01:14:55,866 --> 01:14:57,742 And sometimes I would agree with Bernie, 1189 01:14:57,910 --> 01:15:00,077 but most of the time, I would agree with Glenn. 1190 01:15:00,245 --> 01:15:02,997 Glenn and I always wanted the band to be a hybrid, 1191 01:15:03,165 --> 01:15:06,000 to encompass bluegrass and country and rock 'n' roll. 1192 01:15:06,168 --> 01:15:09,045 There was a part of Bernie that really resisted that. 1193 01:15:09,213 --> 01:15:11,464 After a while, it became a real problem, 1194 01:15:11,632 --> 01:15:14,926 particularly between Bernie and Glenn. 1195 01:15:15,093 --> 01:15:17,595 Finally, we were at the Orange Bowl in Miami. 1196 01:15:17,763 --> 01:15:18,888 We were backstage, 1197 01:15:19,056 --> 01:15:22,517 and we were talking about what our next move was gonna be, 1198 01:15:22,684 --> 01:15:24,084 what our plans were supposed to be, 1199 01:15:24,102 --> 01:15:29,524 and I was animated and adamant about what we needed to do next 1200 01:15:29,691 --> 01:15:30,983 here, there, and everywhere, 1201 01:15:31,151 --> 01:15:34,445 and Bernie comes over and pours a beer on my head 1202 01:15:34,613 --> 01:15:37,740 and says, "You need to chill out, man." 1203 01:15:37,908 --> 01:15:41,285 I have no idea. It was a spontaneous thing. 1204 01:15:41,453 --> 01:15:45,331 I mean, I take that incident now quite seriously. 1205 01:15:45,499 --> 01:15:48,084 That was a very disrespectful thing to do. 1206 01:15:48,252 --> 01:15:53,464 Obviously, it was intended to be humiliating to him, I would say, 1207 01:15:53,632 --> 01:15:57,552 and is something I'm really not proud of. 1208 01:15:57,719 --> 01:16:00,680 It did illustrate a breaking point. 1209 01:16:07,813 --> 01:16:10,731 During that time, we got a couple shows 1210 01:16:10,899 --> 01:16:12,400 opening for the Rolling Stones, 1211 01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:15,319 and Irving was managing Joe Walsh. 1212 01:16:15,487 --> 01:16:20,366 Joe Walsh was a bona fide rock-'n'-roll guitar player. 1213 01:16:24,663 --> 01:16:27,832 So, for a couple of those shows, just for our encores, 1214 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,001 we'd put Joe Walsh in a road box, 1215 01:16:30,168 --> 01:16:34,171 and we'd come back to do an encore, and we'd roll the road box out, 1216 01:16:34,339 --> 01:16:37,466 and just like the model jumping out of a cake, 1217 01:16:37,634 --> 01:16:39,677 we'd open the guitar case, 1218 01:16:39,845 --> 01:16:42,763 and there would be Joe Walsh with his Les Paul, 1219 01:16:42,931 --> 01:16:45,975 and he'd climb out of the box and plug in, and the Eagles... 1220 01:16:46,143 --> 01:16:49,061 We would play "Rocky Mountain Way." 1221 01:16:56,695 --> 01:16:58,195 I loved the way he played. 1222 01:16:58,363 --> 01:17:01,616 I'd loved the James gang when I was growing up in Detroit. 1223 01:17:01,783 --> 01:17:06,579 Now I started thinking, "Joe Walsh for Bernie Leadon." 1224 01:17:18,884 --> 01:17:21,844 Okay, maybe the vocals won't be quite as good, 1225 01:17:22,012 --> 01:17:24,472 but, boy, are we gonna kick some ass. 1226 01:17:37,611 --> 01:17:40,321 I think one of the things that I brought into the band 1227 01:17:40,489 --> 01:17:42,448 that was good for the band 1228 01:17:42,616 --> 01:17:46,202 was to bring it up a notch when we played live. 1229 01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:50,581 Just keep kicking it in the butt a little bit, you know? 1230 01:18:18,944 --> 01:18:22,530 All right, D.C., come on, give it up. 1231 01:18:23,782 --> 01:18:27,034 I went to a show maybe eight months later, 1232 01:18:27,202 --> 01:18:29,787 and the band are interacting with each other 1233 01:18:29,955 --> 01:18:32,415 exactly like we did with me onstage, 1234 01:18:32,582 --> 01:18:35,167 except instead of me, Walsh was up there, 1235 01:18:35,335 --> 01:18:38,546 and it just was, like, really, really odd, you know, 1236 01:18:38,714 --> 01:18:41,549 to be watching it and not be part of it. 1237 01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:43,467 So, I actually left that show. 1238 01:18:43,635 --> 01:18:46,345 I was just like, "This is, like, too weird." 1239 01:18:46,513 --> 01:18:48,514 So, we got Joe Walsh in the band. 1240 01:18:48,682 --> 01:18:50,516 That's another adventure 1241 01:18:50,684 --> 01:18:52,643 because Joe was an interesting bunch of guys. 1242 01:18:52,811 --> 01:18:53,651 Hey, I tell you what. 1243 01:18:53,770 --> 01:18:56,647 If you got firecrackers, just wait until you get home, 1244 01:18:56,815 --> 01:19:01,193 lock yourself in the closet, and light everything you got, okay? 1245 01:19:03,071 --> 01:19:04,405 Thank you, Joe. 1246 01:19:04,573 --> 01:19:05,698 He brought a lot of levity 1247 01:19:05,866 --> 01:19:08,325 to just about everything that happened, 1248 01:19:08,493 --> 01:19:10,828 which was needed at that time. 1249 01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:12,413 Heads or tails? 1250 01:19:12,581 --> 01:19:14,081 Heads. 1251 01:19:14,249 --> 01:19:17,084 Well, I could use a little head myself. 1252 01:19:17,252 --> 01:19:19,712 In those days, you didn't know what he was gonna do next. 1253 01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,340 It was fun most of the time, although not all the time. 1254 01:19:23,508 --> 01:19:25,843 It was fun, depending on how much you'd had to drink, 1255 01:19:26,011 --> 01:19:28,554 to see a television go sailing off the 14th-floor balcony 1256 01:19:28,722 --> 01:19:32,433 and into the pool, as long as nobody got hurt. 1257 01:19:38,565 --> 01:19:41,525 Joe Walsh was the American King of room trash. 1258 01:19:41,693 --> 01:19:44,278 He had studied under some of the best. 1259 01:19:44,446 --> 01:19:47,364 One of the most terrifying things that ever happened to me 1260 01:19:47,532 --> 01:19:50,951 was that Keith Moon decided he liked me. 1261 01:19:51,119 --> 01:19:53,537 All those Keith Moon stories are true. 1262 01:19:55,373 --> 01:19:58,334 This guy was full-blown nuts, 1263 01:19:58,502 --> 01:20:02,338 and you never knew what was coming next. 1264 01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,931 Keith was my mentor at chaos, 1265 01:20:12,098 --> 01:20:16,435 getting arrested, practical jokes, pranks, room damage. 1266 01:20:38,166 --> 01:20:41,502 One year, we gave him a chain saw for his birthday as a joke. 1267 01:20:50,011 --> 01:20:53,138 By this time, we were eating in nice restaurants 1268 01:20:53,306 --> 01:20:57,977 and buying expensive wine and staying in great hotel rooms. 1269 01:20:58,144 --> 01:21:00,704 There were a lot of hotels that we weren't allowed to go back to. 1270 01:21:00,772 --> 01:21:02,022 We were in Chicago, 1271 01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:04,108 and we were staying at the Astor Towers. 1272 01:21:04,276 --> 01:21:07,111 In Chicago, here's what happened. 1273 01:21:07,279 --> 01:21:10,948 There was a knock on the door, and in walked John Belushi. 1274 01:21:12,284 --> 01:21:17,162 John wanted to show me the finer restaurants of Chicago. 1275 01:21:18,206 --> 01:21:19,915 So, we went to the restaurant, 1276 01:21:20,083 --> 01:21:21,963 and they wouldn't let us in 'cause we had jeans, 1277 01:21:22,043 --> 01:21:26,088 and he got the maitre d' up to like $300 bribe, 1278 01:21:26,256 --> 01:21:28,465 and still they would not let us in. 1279 01:21:28,633 --> 01:21:31,552 And John said, "I know what to do. I know what to do." 1280 01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:36,473 And the next thing I knew, we were standing in the alley, 1281 01:21:36,641 --> 01:21:41,228 and he spray-painted my jeans black and made me do his, 1282 01:21:41,396 --> 01:21:44,148 and we went back, and we got in. 1283 01:21:46,151 --> 01:21:49,403 We were sitting in these Queen Anne-period chairs 1284 01:21:49,571 --> 01:21:50,905 that had needlepoint, 1285 01:21:51,072 --> 01:21:53,866 and when we stood up, that was all black, 1286 01:21:54,034 --> 01:21:56,785 and the butts of our pants were jeans again. 1287 01:21:56,953 --> 01:22:01,081 So, we had to kind of back out of there and leave fast. 1288 01:22:02,042 --> 01:22:04,501 But that was the beginning of it. 1289 01:22:04,669 --> 01:22:08,589 And so that night, with much glee, 1290 01:22:08,757 --> 01:22:12,509 Joe set about to set the world record for room trash. 1291 01:22:14,429 --> 01:22:18,682 John and I did $28,000 of room damage. 1292 01:22:22,103 --> 01:22:24,772 Glenn and Don didn't really ever approve 1293 01:22:24,940 --> 01:22:27,191 of the room trashing, but they understood it. 1294 01:22:27,359 --> 01:22:29,693 They wanted respect as rock 'n' rollers, 1295 01:22:29,861 --> 01:22:32,112 and Joe brought that respect. 1296 01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:36,075 I was insecure always and afraid, 1297 01:22:36,242 --> 01:22:42,039 so I hid behind all of my hang-ups with humor. 1298 01:22:42,207 --> 01:22:47,461 I was totally in awe of Don and Glenn. 1299 01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:50,965 I was intimidated by Don and Glenn 1300 01:22:51,132 --> 01:22:56,136 because they sang so good and they were writing stuff 1301 01:22:56,304 --> 01:23:00,432 I could never come close to writing. 1302 01:23:01,393 --> 01:23:03,769 After we just had a bunch of hit records 1303 01:23:03,937 --> 01:23:06,689 on "One of These Nights," we were under the microscope. 1304 01:23:06,856 --> 01:23:09,441 Everybody was gonna look at the next record we made 1305 01:23:09,609 --> 01:23:10,776 and pass judgment. 1306 01:23:10,944 --> 01:23:14,196 Don and I were going, "Man, this better be good." 1307 01:23:15,949 --> 01:23:17,241 Look at that. 1308 01:23:17,409 --> 01:23:19,493 It's gonna be quite a nice guitar. 1309 01:23:19,661 --> 01:23:21,620 Felder, you see this? 1310 01:23:22,580 --> 01:23:23,956 Who, uh, who tuned this? 1311 01:23:24,124 --> 01:23:25,290 Well, it has no nut. 1312 01:23:25,458 --> 01:23:29,169 With Joe in the band with me, I wanted to write something, 1313 01:23:29,337 --> 01:23:32,965 musically, that would fit two guitar players, 1314 01:23:33,133 --> 01:23:35,175 that we could play off of each other. 1315 01:23:35,343 --> 01:23:37,636 So, I was sitting on a sofa in Malibu 1316 01:23:37,804 --> 01:23:40,014 at this rental house that I had on the beach, 1317 01:23:40,181 --> 01:23:42,224 and I was playing this acoustic guitar, 1318 01:23:42,392 --> 01:23:44,852 and this introduction came out, that progression. 1319 01:23:45,020 --> 01:23:47,855 I kept playing it three or four times. 1320 01:23:48,023 --> 01:23:50,024 I had an old reel-to-reel tape recorder, 1321 01:23:50,191 --> 01:23:53,569 so I went back and recorded that introduction to that song 1322 01:23:53,737 --> 01:23:56,613 and laid down that progression, made a mix of it, 1323 01:23:56,781 --> 01:23:59,366 and put it on a cassette with, I don't know, 1324 01:23:59,534 --> 01:24:02,745 the other 14 or 15 pieces of music that I had assembled, 1325 01:24:02,912 --> 01:24:06,290 and I gave a copy of the cassette to Don, one to Glenn. 1326 01:24:06,458 --> 01:24:11,587 Don Felder used to send Henley and I instrumental tapes, 1327 01:24:11,755 --> 01:24:12,796 song ideas. 1328 01:24:12,964 --> 01:24:15,758 95% of them were cluttered with guitar licks, 1329 01:24:15,925 --> 01:24:18,594 and we would listen to these things and go, 1330 01:24:18,762 --> 01:24:19,970 "Well, where do you sing?" 1331 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,515 As Don and I were listening through one of the Felder cassettes 1332 01:24:23,683 --> 01:24:26,143 and this song came up, we both sort of said, 1333 01:24:26,311 --> 01:24:28,604 "Hmm, now, this is interesting." 1334 01:24:30,356 --> 01:24:32,691 The music sounded to me like some sort of a cross 1335 01:24:32,859 --> 01:24:35,694 between Spanish music and reggae music, 1336 01:24:35,862 --> 01:24:37,488 and that one really jumped out at me. 1337 01:24:37,655 --> 01:24:41,784 So, we set out to write a song to that progression. 1338 01:24:43,620 --> 01:24:45,913 I'm pretty sure it was Henley's idea 1339 01:24:46,081 --> 01:24:49,124 to have a song called "Hotel California." 1340 01:24:52,712 --> 01:24:56,715 I think Henley's and Glenn's lyric writing really came to a head. 1341 01:24:56,883 --> 01:24:59,551 They became real honest-to-God songwriters then. 1342 01:25:03,681 --> 01:25:04,762 During the recording of it, 1343 01:25:04,808 --> 01:25:06,350 I thought that we were on to something. 1344 01:25:06,518 --> 01:25:07,893 I knew we were on to something. 1345 01:25:09,854 --> 01:25:13,524 We were in a really creative phase, 1346 01:25:13,691 --> 01:25:19,196 and it just so happened that Bill Szymczyk pushed record. 1347 01:25:20,365 --> 01:25:22,407 Thank God. 1348 01:26:30,351 --> 01:26:34,313 We've been asked a million times, "What does that song mean?" 1349 01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,982 Don and I were big fans of hidden, deeper meaning. 1350 01:26:37,692 --> 01:26:38,942 You know, you write songs, 1351 01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:41,862 and you send them out to the world... 1352 01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:58,003 And maybe somewhere in that song is some stuff that's just yours 1353 01:26:58,171 --> 01:27:00,172 that they're never gonna figure out. 1354 01:27:06,638 --> 01:27:09,306 There has been a great deal of ridiculous speculation 1355 01:27:09,474 --> 01:27:10,849 about that song over the years. 1356 01:27:11,017 --> 01:27:13,810 I mean, it's really taken on a life or a mythology of its own. 1357 01:27:13,978 --> 01:27:15,687 You know, it's sort of like the "Paul is dead" thing 1358 01:27:15,855 --> 01:27:17,481 or who was the walrus? 1359 01:27:21,778 --> 01:27:24,571 It's been denounced by evangelicals. 1360 01:27:24,739 --> 01:27:26,949 We've been accused of all kinds of wacky things, 1361 01:27:27,116 --> 01:27:29,159 like being members of the Church of Satan. 1362 01:27:29,327 --> 01:27:32,412 People see images on the album cover that aren't there. 1363 01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:33,914 Just lunatic stuff. 1364 01:28:00,441 --> 01:28:01,692 My simple explanation is 1365 01:28:01,859 --> 01:28:05,612 it's a song about a journey from innocence to experience. 1366 01:28:05,780 --> 01:28:07,072 That's all. 1367 01:28:31,347 --> 01:28:34,308 Whereas Felder was technically very, very good, 1368 01:28:34,475 --> 01:28:38,061 Walsh brought spontaneity to it, 1369 01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:41,940 and the two of them playing off each other was just brilliant. 1370 01:29:00,001 --> 01:29:01,918 Out of great respect for each other, 1371 01:29:02,086 --> 01:29:04,254 there was always a little competition 1372 01:29:04,422 --> 01:29:06,506 between Felder and I. 1373 01:29:06,674 --> 01:29:10,510 We always tried to kind of one-up each other, you know? 1374 01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:17,184 And that's really healthy. 1375 01:29:17,352 --> 01:29:20,771 It always made the song better 1376 01:29:20,938 --> 01:29:24,775 when we were kind of, "Oh, yeah? Listen to this." 1377 01:29:32,533 --> 01:29:33,575 We got to the end, 1378 01:29:33,743 --> 01:29:36,870 where now is the harmony guitars that are playing together, 1379 01:29:37,038 --> 01:29:40,123 and Joe said, "We should do something that's like... 1380 01:29:58,893 --> 01:30:00,602 The ending of "Hotel California"... 1381 01:30:00,770 --> 01:30:05,941 that's one of my high points of my entire recording career. 1382 01:30:13,157 --> 01:30:16,326 To have a seven-minute single be number one... 1383 01:30:16,494 --> 01:30:17,577 that was unheard of. 1384 01:30:17,745 --> 01:30:19,037 The record company said, "You got to do an edit. 1385 01:30:19,205 --> 01:30:20,247 You got to do an edit." 1386 01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:23,083 And we all said, "No. Take it or leave it." 1387 01:30:23,251 --> 01:30:24,418 And they took it. 1388 01:30:26,462 --> 01:30:28,713 We had no idea that that song 1389 01:30:28,881 --> 01:30:32,300 would affect as many people on the planet as it did. 1390 01:30:34,679 --> 01:30:37,055 Thank you. 1391 01:30:37,223 --> 01:30:41,226 The rest of the album kind of developed around that song. 1392 01:30:41,394 --> 01:30:43,186 The album, you could loosely say, 1393 01:30:43,354 --> 01:30:46,565 is a thematic album, a concept album. 1394 01:30:47,567 --> 01:30:49,276 Not unlike "Desperado," 1395 01:30:49,444 --> 01:30:54,322 "Hotel California" was our reaction to what was happening to us. 1396 01:30:56,159 --> 01:31:00,245 On just about every album we made, there was some kind of a commentary 1397 01:31:00,413 --> 01:31:03,290 on the music business and on American culture in general. 1398 01:31:03,458 --> 01:31:06,001 The hotel itself could be taken as a metaphor 1399 01:31:06,169 --> 01:31:09,004 not only for the mythmaking of Southern California 1400 01:31:09,172 --> 01:31:11,965 but for the mythmaking that is the American dream 1401 01:31:12,133 --> 01:31:15,010 because it's a fine line between the American dream 1402 01:31:15,178 --> 01:31:16,636 and the American nightmare. 1403 01:31:23,519 --> 01:31:25,645 All the songs we write for this album 1404 01:31:25,813 --> 01:31:28,482 can fit inside this concept. 1405 01:31:36,866 --> 01:31:38,306 Once the rest of the guys in the band 1406 01:31:38,409 --> 01:31:41,495 understood what the song "Hotel California" was about, 1407 01:31:41,662 --> 01:31:42,996 it became kind of a theme, 1408 01:31:43,164 --> 01:31:45,999 and they started to customize their writing to fit in with it. 1409 01:31:55,009 --> 01:31:57,511 I think that the Eagles started breaking up 1410 01:31:57,678 --> 01:31:59,387 during the recording of "Hotel California." 1411 01:31:59,555 --> 01:32:01,014 There were creative tensions, 1412 01:32:01,182 --> 01:32:03,141 but there was always tension tensions. 1413 01:32:04,018 --> 01:32:06,937 By the time we got to recording "Hotel California," 1414 01:32:07,104 --> 01:32:08,313 if the song wasn't good enough 1415 01:32:08,481 --> 01:32:10,941 to survive the amount of time we were working on the record, 1416 01:32:11,108 --> 01:32:12,388 it didn't make it on the record. 1417 01:32:12,527 --> 01:32:14,236 Perfection is not an accident. 1418 01:32:14,403 --> 01:32:17,322 Our goal was just to be the best we could be. 1419 01:32:17,490 --> 01:32:20,325 We wanted to get better as songwriters and as performers, 1420 01:32:20,493 --> 01:32:21,826 and we worked on it. 1421 01:32:23,496 --> 01:32:27,791 Don and I felt like there was no space now for filler, 1422 01:32:27,959 --> 01:32:31,586 and Don Felder, for all of his talents as a guitar player, 1423 01:32:31,754 --> 01:32:32,879 is not a singer. 1424 01:32:34,507 --> 01:32:37,133 Felder wanted to write more, sing more, 1425 01:32:37,301 --> 01:32:39,010 and Felder had kind of demanded 1426 01:32:39,178 --> 01:32:42,681 that "I'm gonna sing two songs on 'Hotel California."' 1427 01:32:48,020 --> 01:32:50,981 We were all Alphas, 1428 01:32:51,148 --> 01:32:56,111 and we were all very assertive and powerful in our own way. 1429 01:32:56,279 --> 01:33:01,074 You could bring in a great track to Don and Glenn 1430 01:33:01,242 --> 01:33:03,326 and be really excited about it. 1431 01:33:03,494 --> 01:33:05,912 This happened to Felder. 1432 01:33:09,709 --> 01:33:12,210 I wrote the track for "Victim of Love." 1433 01:33:12,378 --> 01:33:14,921 It was gonna be a follow-up song 1434 01:33:15,089 --> 01:33:18,425 on the "Hotel California" record for me to sing. 1435 01:33:21,429 --> 01:33:24,180 I have no recollection of anybody being promised anything. 1436 01:33:24,348 --> 01:33:27,726 "Victim of Love" was not brought to the band as a complete song. 1437 01:33:27,893 --> 01:33:30,061 It was simply another chord progression 1438 01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:31,605 that Don Felder brought in. 1439 01:33:31,772 --> 01:33:34,733 It had no title, no lyrics, and no melody. 1440 01:33:34,900 --> 01:33:38,153 Glenn and I and J.D. Souther all sat down 1441 01:33:38,321 --> 01:33:40,697 and hammered out the rest of it. 1442 01:33:40,865 --> 01:33:42,198 We did let Mr. Felder sing it. 1443 01:33:42,366 --> 01:33:44,784 He sang it dozens of times over the span of a week, 1444 01:33:44,952 --> 01:33:46,244 over and over and over again. 1445 01:33:46,412 --> 01:33:49,331 It simply didn't come up to band standards. 1446 01:33:51,709 --> 01:33:55,211 "Victim of Love" had been recorded with Felder as the lead vocalist, 1447 01:33:55,379 --> 01:33:58,548 and my job was to take Don Felder out to lunch or dinner 1448 01:33:58,716 --> 01:34:02,010 while they went in the studio and put Henley's vocal on it. 1449 01:34:07,808 --> 01:34:13,021 Irving took me out and said that everybody in the band thought 1450 01:34:13,189 --> 01:34:14,898 that it was better if Don sang that. 1451 01:34:15,066 --> 01:34:17,651 And it was a little bit of a bitter pill to swallow. 1452 01:34:17,818 --> 01:34:21,446 I felt like Don was taking that song from me. 1453 01:34:21,614 --> 01:34:24,449 I'd been promised a song on the next record. 1454 01:34:24,617 --> 01:34:26,242 But there was no real way to argue 1455 01:34:26,410 --> 01:34:28,495 with my vocal versus Don Henley's vocal. 1456 01:34:28,663 --> 01:34:31,539 There was no way to argue with anybody's vocal in the band 1457 01:34:31,707 --> 01:34:32,832 compared to Don Henley. 1458 01:34:40,758 --> 01:34:42,842 Felder demanding to sing that song 1459 01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:45,679 would be the equivalent of me demanding to play lead guitar 1460 01:34:45,846 --> 01:34:46,846 on "Hotel California." 1461 01:34:47,014 --> 01:34:48,306 It just didn't make sense. 1462 01:34:52,645 --> 01:34:55,647 If you look at my vocal participation in the Eagles 1463 01:34:55,815 --> 01:35:01,111 over the course of the 1970s, I sang less and less. 1464 01:35:01,278 --> 01:35:04,989 It was intentional. We had Don Henley. 1465 01:35:09,578 --> 01:35:12,163 Don and Glenn's position was, 1466 01:35:12,331 --> 01:35:16,793 "This is the best thing for the Eagles." 1467 01:35:16,961 --> 01:35:19,796 And Don Felder never forgot that. 1468 01:35:31,726 --> 01:35:33,685 Get it! Get it! Run! Run! Run! 1469 01:35:34,812 --> 01:35:35,895 Shit. 1470 01:35:38,065 --> 01:35:39,816 This is a real healthy thing. 1471 01:35:39,984 --> 01:35:42,694 It promotes good feelings, you know, among the guys, 1472 01:35:42,862 --> 01:35:45,113 and it keeps us from killing each other. 1473 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,575 Where's my glove? Who's got my glove? 1474 01:35:48,743 --> 01:35:50,869 We can yell at each other on a baseball field, 1475 01:35:51,036 --> 01:35:53,396 then we don't have to yell at each other when we're working. 1476 01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:56,332 Get all my frustrations out. 1477 01:35:56,500 --> 01:35:58,042 What frustrations? 1478 01:35:58,210 --> 01:35:59,669 I haven't been getting laid. 1479 01:35:59,837 --> 01:36:02,589 We try to get out and play softball with the crew 1480 01:36:02,757 --> 01:36:03,882 if we have a day off. 1481 01:36:04,049 --> 01:36:05,133 Swing, batter! 1482 01:36:05,301 --> 01:36:07,343 Oh, it's gone, it's gone. It's gone. 1483 01:36:07,511 --> 01:36:10,221 Something to help release the tension. 1484 01:36:10,389 --> 01:36:14,017 That's really what I do to keep from going crazy. 1485 01:36:14,185 --> 01:36:16,728 How do you keep from going crazy, Joe? 1486 01:36:19,315 --> 01:36:21,274 Well... 1487 01:36:23,944 --> 01:36:27,238 I tell you, I just, uh... 1488 01:36:27,406 --> 01:36:29,991 In the press and the media, 1489 01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:34,662 it was presented that we were constantly at war, 1490 01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:37,707 and I can't say that's exactly the case. 1491 01:36:42,046 --> 01:36:46,299 We were interacting, and we were all intense. 1492 01:36:46,467 --> 01:36:48,718 Glenn said to me one time, 1493 01:36:48,886 --> 01:36:53,223 "I get nuts sometimes, and I'm sorry." 1494 01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:54,682 Hey, Joe. 1495 01:36:54,850 --> 01:37:02,315 But that tension had a lot to do with fanning the artistic fire. 1496 01:37:02,483 --> 01:37:08,947 Having that dynamic was important in making the music. 1497 01:37:11,158 --> 01:37:13,660 Well, we're rehearsing now, and before we're even playing 1498 01:37:13,828 --> 01:37:15,620 and guys are just noodling around 1499 01:37:15,788 --> 01:37:18,039 and getting their amps going and stuff, we hear Joe go... 1500 01:37:23,671 --> 01:37:27,006 You know, and everyone would kind of go, "What did you play? 1501 01:37:27,174 --> 01:37:28,091 Play that again." 1502 01:37:28,759 --> 01:37:33,012 That was an exercise I was doing because it's a coordination thing. 1503 01:37:33,180 --> 01:37:36,057 You know, it's like one of these deals. 1504 01:37:36,225 --> 01:37:38,017 So, I was doing that to warm up, 1505 01:37:38,185 --> 01:37:40,228 and they said, "Well, what is that?" 1506 01:37:40,396 --> 01:37:45,066 And I said, "Well, that's just something I have, you know? 1507 01:37:45,234 --> 01:37:46,442 There you go." 1508 01:37:46,610 --> 01:37:47,652 That's the lick. 1509 01:37:47,820 --> 01:37:50,488 That's what we should build the song around. 1510 01:37:57,663 --> 01:38:00,623 I was riding shotgun in a corvette with a drug dealer 1511 01:38:00,791 --> 01:38:03,543 on the way to a poker game, and the next thing I knew, 1512 01:38:03,711 --> 01:38:07,338 we were going about 90 miles an hour, holding big time. 1513 01:38:07,506 --> 01:38:10,675 I was like, "Hey, man. What are you doing?" 1514 01:38:10,843 --> 01:38:12,644 You know, and he looked at me, and he grinned. 1515 01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:15,597 He goes, "Life in the fast lane." 1516 01:38:15,764 --> 01:38:20,226 And I thought immediately, "Now, there's a song title." 1517 01:38:31,780 --> 01:38:33,781 Then they put out the greatest hits. 1518 01:38:33,949 --> 01:38:35,158 There was a period 1519 01:38:35,326 --> 01:38:38,494 where we sold a million records a month for 18 months. 1520 01:38:38,662 --> 01:38:41,080 It's a little-known fact that the Eagles 1521 01:38:41,248 --> 01:38:44,918 had the biggest-selling album of the 20th century. 1522 01:38:45,085 --> 01:38:51,549 But the music business never ever got honest of its own volition. 1523 01:38:51,717 --> 01:38:54,427 No record company ever went to an artist and said, 1524 01:38:54,595 --> 01:38:55,887 "You've done a great job. 1525 01:38:56,055 --> 01:38:58,097 We're gonna increase your royalties." 1526 01:38:58,265 --> 01:39:01,059 So we created our own promotion company. 1527 01:39:01,226 --> 01:39:03,895 We created our own management company. 1528 01:39:04,063 --> 01:39:05,521 We had our own booking agency. 1529 01:39:05,689 --> 01:39:08,483 Stop any time. 1530 01:39:13,489 --> 01:39:20,244 We achieved an amount of success beyond our wildest imagination, 1531 01:39:20,412 --> 01:39:24,123 and Randy really had trouble with it. 1532 01:39:24,291 --> 01:39:25,959 Bam! Bam! 1533 01:39:26,126 --> 01:39:28,544 Randy used to have trouble singing the high note 1534 01:39:28,712 --> 01:39:30,152 at the end of "Take It To the Limit." 1535 01:39:41,058 --> 01:39:44,602 Oh, yeah, I was always kind of scared, basically. 1536 01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:45,770 "What if I don't hit it right?" 1537 01:39:45,938 --> 01:39:48,022 It was a pretty high note. 1538 01:39:53,570 --> 01:39:55,071 And in the middle of the fade, 1539 01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:57,991 you crank the volume knob and go, "What?!" 1540 01:39:58,158 --> 01:40:03,246 Randy could do it, but if you made him do it, 1541 01:40:03,414 --> 01:40:06,416 "Oh, no, man, I, uh..." 1542 01:40:12,881 --> 01:40:14,173 Thank you. 1543 01:40:14,341 --> 01:40:16,009 Randy Meisner. 1544 01:40:17,094 --> 01:40:18,928 He'd call the road manager and say, 1545 01:40:19,096 --> 01:40:21,264 "Tell Glenn I don't want to do 'Take It To the Limit' anymore. 1546 01:40:21,432 --> 01:40:22,432 Take it out of the set." 1547 01:40:22,599 --> 01:40:23,933 I confronted him about this. 1548 01:40:24,101 --> 01:40:25,501 I called him up, and I said, "Randy, 1549 01:40:25,602 --> 01:40:29,439 there's thousands of people waiting to hear you sing that song. 1550 01:40:29,606 --> 01:40:31,767 "You just can't say, 'Fuck them. I don't feel like it.' 1551 01:40:31,859 --> 01:40:33,735 Do you think I like singing 'Take It Easy' 1552 01:40:33,902 --> 01:40:35,463 and 'Peaceful Easy Feeling' every night? 1553 01:40:35,571 --> 01:40:38,698 I'm tired of those songs, but there's people in the audience 1554 01:40:38,866 --> 01:40:42,243 who've been waiting years to see us do those songs." 1555 01:40:42,411 --> 01:40:46,539 We just got fed up with that and just said, "Okay, don't sing it. 1556 01:40:46,707 --> 01:40:51,210 Why don't you just quit? You say you're unhappy. Quit." 1557 01:40:51,378 --> 01:40:54,797 Randy never knew how great he was. 1558 01:40:54,965 --> 01:40:57,133 He wasn't Alpha. 1559 01:40:57,968 --> 01:41:01,471 Confrontations were really hard for him. 1560 01:41:01,638 --> 01:41:05,558 All I want to see is five guys happy playing together, you know? 1561 01:41:05,726 --> 01:41:07,685 And that's what makes the music. 1562 01:41:12,357 --> 01:41:14,817 We were backstage, and the crowd was going wild. 1563 01:41:14,985 --> 01:41:17,195 And our encore number was "Take It To the Limit." 1564 01:41:17,362 --> 01:41:18,446 People loved that song. 1565 01:41:18,614 --> 01:41:20,656 They went crazy when Randy hit those high notes. 1566 01:41:20,824 --> 01:41:22,992 But Randy didn't want to do the song that night. 1567 01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:24,410 He'd been up partying all night 1568 01:41:24,578 --> 01:41:26,454 with a couple of girls and a bottle of vodka. 1569 01:41:26,622 --> 01:41:28,456 And Glenn kept trying to talk him into it. 1570 01:41:28,624 --> 01:41:30,708 He said, "Man, the people want to hear that song. 1571 01:41:30,876 --> 01:41:32,126 You got to do it." 1572 01:41:32,294 --> 01:41:34,170 And Randy kept saying, "No." 1573 01:41:34,338 --> 01:41:36,214 So after about the third or fourth time that Randy refused, 1574 01:41:36,381 --> 01:41:37,924 Glenn just backed up a couple of steps and said, 1575 01:41:38,092 --> 01:41:39,258 "Well, fuck you, then!" 1576 01:41:42,262 --> 01:41:44,388 There were police officers standing backstage, 1577 01:41:44,556 --> 01:41:47,809 and when they saw us about to go at it, they started to move in. 1578 01:41:47,976 --> 01:41:50,603 And Henley turned right to the cops and said, 1579 01:41:50,771 --> 01:41:51,938 "Stay out of this. 1580 01:41:52,106 --> 01:41:54,565 This is personal, and it's private... 1581 01:41:54,733 --> 01:41:56,150 real fucking private." 1582 01:41:57,986 --> 01:42:01,364 The writing was on the wall that Randy was gonna leave. 1583 01:42:04,868 --> 01:42:08,996 There was only person to ever replace Randy Meisner 1584 01:42:09,164 --> 01:42:12,208 in the Eagles in my mind, and it was Timothy B. Schmit. 1585 01:42:14,378 --> 01:42:16,504 He replaced him in Poco 1586 01:42:16,672 --> 01:42:19,757 and plugged in and sang the same parts. 1587 01:42:21,009 --> 01:42:23,302 And I remember sitting with Irving and saying, 1588 01:42:23,470 --> 01:42:26,222 "Irving, I think we should get Timothy Schmit." 1589 01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:29,225 He said, "Well, I just saw Timothy. I was out on the road 1590 01:42:29,393 --> 01:42:31,227 when the guys in Poco were in the hotel bar, 1591 01:42:31,395 --> 01:42:33,646 and Timothy was smashed out of his mind. 1592 01:42:33,814 --> 01:42:35,898 He was gacked up. Are you sure about this?" 1593 01:42:36,066 --> 01:42:38,818 I said, "Irving," I said, "If you'd been in a band 1594 01:42:38,986 --> 01:42:41,737 for 11 years and you were still making $250 a week 1595 01:42:41,905 --> 01:42:43,197 working 40 weeks a year, 1596 01:42:43,365 --> 01:42:46,492 maybe you'd be a little smashed and gacked-up yourself." 1597 01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:49,912 They asked me to join their band 1598 01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:52,915 before I even played a note of music with them. 1599 01:42:53,083 --> 01:42:56,294 I just said, "You know, where do you want me? When? 1600 01:42:56,461 --> 01:42:58,171 I'm definitely in." 1601 01:42:58,338 --> 01:43:01,507 We want to introduce you to the newest member of our band. 1602 01:43:01,675 --> 01:43:02,884 He's our new bass player, 1603 01:43:03,051 --> 01:43:05,678 and we got him from a really fine band... Poco. 1604 01:43:05,846 --> 01:43:08,890 Please give a nice Houston, Texas, welcome to Timothy Schmit. 1605 01:43:14,104 --> 01:43:17,356 I went on the road with them in 1978 as the new guy. 1606 01:43:24,031 --> 01:43:26,782 And I heard a few, "Where's Randy's" from the audience, you know? 1607 01:43:27,701 --> 01:43:30,494 But I knew it was a good move for them and me. 1608 01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,545 There were a lot of decisions, business-wise, 1609 01:43:39,713 --> 01:43:43,132 that needed to be made in a secret session... 1610 01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:46,052 Glenn and Don and Irving in the back of the plane. 1611 01:43:46,220 --> 01:43:48,512 I didn't like that I wasn't part of that, 1612 01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:53,392 but I knew that it was good for the Eagles. 1613 01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:57,730 Don Felder really didn't like it. 1614 01:43:59,399 --> 01:44:01,567 Glenn and I saw ourselves as the leaders of the band, 1615 01:44:01,735 --> 01:44:03,236 but other people saw us as dictators. 1616 01:44:03,403 --> 01:44:07,198 You just cannot have five leaders in a band. 1617 01:44:07,366 --> 01:44:10,826 It doesn't work. People have to do what they do best. 1618 01:44:10,994 --> 01:44:14,664 There was all this undercurrent and resentment 1619 01:44:14,831 --> 01:44:17,875 and, you know, plotting and complaining. 1620 01:44:18,043 --> 01:44:21,545 And I'm sure Timothy thought, "What have I gotten myself into?" 1621 01:44:21,713 --> 01:44:23,756 I was just really happy to be there, 1622 01:44:23,924 --> 01:44:27,260 and all these tensions... it's not that I didn't feel it, 1623 01:44:27,427 --> 01:44:29,345 but I had no idea how deep it was. 1624 01:44:29,513 --> 01:44:31,973 In my experience, all rock-'n'-roll bands 1625 01:44:32,140 --> 01:44:34,976 are on the verge of breaking up at all times. 1626 01:44:37,521 --> 01:44:40,606 The band at that point had begun to split up into factions. 1627 01:44:40,774 --> 01:44:42,858 Don Felder, in an effort to gain more control, 1628 01:44:43,026 --> 01:44:44,402 had co-opted Joe Walsh. 1629 01:44:44,569 --> 01:44:45,736 So much of the time, 1630 01:44:45,904 --> 01:44:48,614 it was Felder and Walsh against me and Glenn. 1631 01:44:48,782 --> 01:44:50,491 At that point, even Glenn and I 1632 01:44:50,659 --> 01:44:53,035 were beginning to have our differences. 1633 01:44:53,203 --> 01:44:55,579 And it was tearing the band apart. 1634 01:44:56,665 --> 01:44:59,083 The magic ingredient that made the band successful 1635 01:44:59,251 --> 01:45:01,377 was the relationship between Don and Glenn. 1636 01:45:01,545 --> 01:45:04,714 Through years of touring, years in the studio... 1637 01:45:04,881 --> 01:45:07,758 all of that friction really started driving a wedge 1638 01:45:07,926 --> 01:45:09,885 in between that relationship. 1639 01:45:12,973 --> 01:45:15,850 It reached a point where we were just tired of each other... 1640 01:45:16,018 --> 01:45:18,602 tired of the hoopla, tired of touring, 1641 01:45:18,770 --> 01:45:20,730 tired of pretty much everything. 1642 01:45:20,897 --> 01:45:24,442 At that point, songwriting was becoming very difficult. 1643 01:45:25,110 --> 01:45:26,652 How much sleep did you guys get? 1644 01:45:26,820 --> 01:45:28,112 When did you get finished loading out? 1645 01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:29,530 - 2:00? - 5:30. 1646 01:45:29,698 --> 01:45:30,990 - 5:30 this morning? - Yeah. 1647 01:45:31,158 --> 01:45:32,241 Okay. 1648 01:45:32,409 --> 01:45:34,910 After the success of "Hotel California"... 1649 01:45:35,078 --> 01:45:38,956 Grammy winner, mega sales... top that. 1650 01:45:39,124 --> 01:45:43,294 And we show up at the studio, and nobody has one song done. 1651 01:45:46,214 --> 01:45:48,674 I don't know what we'll do first, but... 1652 01:45:49,968 --> 01:45:53,220 I had enough of a piece where they both went, 1653 01:45:53,388 --> 01:45:55,556 "That's great. Let's develop that." 1654 01:45:55,724 --> 01:45:58,434 And I was really pleased that they wanted to develop that one 1655 01:45:58,602 --> 01:46:01,687 because it came out more as an R&B song. 1656 01:46:04,524 --> 01:46:06,359 And it's very simple. 1657 01:46:06,526 --> 01:46:09,570 Very simple instrumentation. 1658 01:46:09,738 --> 01:46:12,239 Very simple arrangement. 1659 01:46:15,535 --> 01:46:17,244 There's a lot of air in it. 1660 01:46:20,582 --> 01:46:22,833 That's why it works. 1661 01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:43,562 About halfway through, Don comes up to me and says, 1662 01:46:43,730 --> 01:46:46,190 "There's your hit." 1663 01:47:04,418 --> 01:47:08,421 We're on top of the world. We're young. 1664 01:47:08,588 --> 01:47:11,424 We were overdoing everything. 1665 01:47:19,391 --> 01:47:23,185 There was a lot of chemical dependency going on within the band. 1666 01:47:23,353 --> 01:47:24,937 And that was rough. 1667 01:47:26,857 --> 01:47:28,941 During all of that time of writing and recording 1668 01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:31,485 "The Long Run" and all the time on the road... 1669 01:47:31,653 --> 01:47:33,293 we were on the road during "The Long Run," 1670 01:47:33,447 --> 01:47:35,906 we were all using cocaine. 1671 01:47:36,575 --> 01:47:40,035 When we first started snorting coke, it was like a writing tool. 1672 01:47:40,203 --> 01:47:43,330 Do a couple bumps and kind of get started talking about stuff, 1673 01:47:43,498 --> 01:47:45,082 get yourself going 1674 01:47:45,250 --> 01:47:48,752 and launch into some sort of idea for a song. 1675 01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:53,382 But in the end, cocaine brought out the worst in everybody. 1676 01:47:54,468 --> 01:47:58,095 Yes, this half-hour of the show is brought to you by cocaine... 1677 01:47:58,263 --> 01:48:00,514 the makers of hits. 1678 01:48:09,357 --> 01:48:11,775 Making that album was excruciating. 1679 01:48:11,943 --> 01:48:13,652 We were just completely burned out. 1680 01:48:13,820 --> 01:48:17,239 We had driven ourselves really hard for almost a decade, 1681 01:48:17,407 --> 01:48:18,741 and we were just fried. 1682 01:48:19,576 --> 01:48:20,826 It was long, too. 1683 01:48:20,994 --> 01:48:22,870 I mean, the days and hours would drag on, 1684 01:48:23,038 --> 01:48:25,239 and it would feel like we weren't getting anything done. 1685 01:48:33,256 --> 01:48:36,008 It was more painful than "Hotel California." 1686 01:48:36,176 --> 01:48:37,676 It was more of a painful birth 1687 01:48:37,844 --> 01:48:39,512 because all of this stuff was going on, 1688 01:48:39,679 --> 01:48:42,139 and we were getting pretty frazzled. 1689 01:48:44,935 --> 01:48:50,898 And the record company didn't care if we farted and burped. 1690 01:48:52,275 --> 01:48:55,778 They would put that out. They didn't care. 1691 01:48:55,946 --> 01:48:58,280 "When can we have it?" 1692 01:48:58,448 --> 01:49:01,617 Because that was their whole corporate quarter. 1693 01:49:10,961 --> 01:49:15,881 At that point, we inked in "The Long Run" as the title. 1694 01:49:16,049 --> 01:49:19,552 I think Henley said, "Well, I know what to call this one. 1695 01:49:19,719 --> 01:49:20,970 Look at us." 1696 01:49:25,308 --> 01:49:27,726 Hold it. Stop. 1697 01:49:27,894 --> 01:49:29,395 That's it! 1698 01:49:31,231 --> 01:49:32,273 Song two. 1699 01:49:32,440 --> 01:49:34,733 Eagles... "The Long Run"... song two take one. 1700 01:49:34,901 --> 01:49:38,195 It was a struggle... an endless start-stop-start-stop. 1701 01:49:38,363 --> 01:49:41,073 We called it "The Long One." 1702 01:49:41,908 --> 01:49:43,993 It was the beginning of the end, 1703 01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:47,204 even though I don't think I saw it right then. 1704 01:49:51,334 --> 01:49:53,210 There were a lot of things building up 1705 01:49:53,378 --> 01:49:56,213 and a lot of things I tried to overlook for the good of the band. 1706 01:49:56,381 --> 01:50:00,551 And ultimately, I just couldn't look past some of this anymore. 1707 01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:04,096 And it festered because we didn't talk about these things. 1708 01:50:05,140 --> 01:50:07,057 It finally came to a head in Long Beach. 1709 01:50:07,225 --> 01:50:10,603 We were doing a benefit for Senator Alan Cranston. 1710 01:50:10,770 --> 01:50:13,230 He was concerned about a lot of the same issues 1711 01:50:13,398 --> 01:50:14,565 we were concerned about, 1712 01:50:14,733 --> 01:50:17,401 including environmental destruction and the war, 1713 01:50:17,569 --> 01:50:19,028 so we wanted to support him. 1714 01:50:19,195 --> 01:50:20,863 Now, Felder didn't like us doing benefits. 1715 01:50:21,031 --> 01:50:23,532 He just thought that was money that should be going into his pocket. 1716 01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:27,828 Why were we doing it for Jerry Brown or anti-nukes? 1717 01:50:33,543 --> 01:50:36,420 Alan Cranston and his wife are coming around 1718 01:50:36,588 --> 01:50:40,132 to personally thank every member of the Eagles for doing this. 1719 01:50:40,300 --> 01:50:44,219 I was very uninformed about politics. 1720 01:50:44,387 --> 01:50:46,430 I could care less about politics. 1721 01:50:46,598 --> 01:50:48,974 I didn't even know or care who Alan Cranston was. 1722 01:50:49,768 --> 01:50:51,935 And Senator Cranston went up to Felder and said, 1723 01:50:52,103 --> 01:50:53,312 "I want to thank you." 1724 01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:55,840 And Felder looked at the Senator and said, "You're welcome." 1725 01:50:55,899 --> 01:50:58,901 Then as he was turning away, he said, "I guess." 1726 01:50:59,069 --> 01:51:00,152 "I guess." 1727 01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:03,280 "I guess." And Glenn heard it. 1728 01:51:03,448 --> 01:51:06,950 And I just got really mad. 1729 01:51:07,118 --> 01:51:09,718 I was drinking a longneck Bud and then walked into the tuning room 1730 01:51:09,829 --> 01:51:11,997 where Walsh and Felder was and took the beer bottle 1731 01:51:12,165 --> 01:51:14,166 and threw it against the wall and smashed it. 1732 01:51:16,127 --> 01:51:17,503 I stormed out. 1733 01:51:17,671 --> 01:51:20,673 I got more mad and more mad. 1734 01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:23,967 By the time we went onstage, I was seething. 1735 01:51:24,135 --> 01:51:25,761 I wanted to kill Felder. 1736 01:51:25,929 --> 01:51:28,263 Thank you again very much from all the Eagles 1737 01:51:28,431 --> 01:51:30,099 and from Senator Cranston 1738 01:51:30,266 --> 01:51:33,143 for coming out here and checking it out. 1739 01:51:33,311 --> 01:51:34,853 One, two, three, four. 1740 01:51:40,193 --> 01:51:44,321 A lot of tensions between Glenn and Felder, 1741 01:51:44,489 --> 01:51:50,202 and the real manifestation of it came that night. 1742 01:51:57,252 --> 01:51:58,412 So now we're playing the show 1743 01:51:58,461 --> 01:52:00,504 and trying to act like everything's okay, 1744 01:52:00,672 --> 01:52:02,381 and we'll get through a few songs. 1745 01:52:02,549 --> 01:52:04,675 And I just keep looking over at him. 1746 01:52:04,843 --> 01:52:07,302 "You ungrateful son of a bitch." 1747 01:52:14,060 --> 01:52:15,519 The scene there... 1748 01:52:15,687 --> 01:52:17,980 I really saw how serious it was at that show. 1749 01:52:18,148 --> 01:52:19,648 They were fighting onstage. 1750 01:52:19,816 --> 01:52:21,275 Szymczyk's got audio of it. 1751 01:52:32,871 --> 01:52:35,038 So we started getting towards the end of the set, 1752 01:52:35,206 --> 01:52:38,250 and I'm looking at him going, "Three more songs, asshole." 1753 01:52:38,418 --> 01:52:41,086 You know, and I'm looking at him, and I am ready to go. 1754 01:52:41,254 --> 01:52:45,090 I can't wait to get my hands on him. 1755 01:52:45,258 --> 01:52:48,552 "When we get off the stage, I'm gonna kick your ass." 1756 01:52:54,267 --> 01:52:56,769 Whoa. When that kind of stuff is onstage 1757 01:52:56,936 --> 01:53:01,231 and you're in front of people, you got problems. 1758 01:53:05,612 --> 01:53:08,197 Thank you very much. 1759 01:53:08,364 --> 01:53:10,949 We got through the show, and it just... 1760 01:53:11,117 --> 01:53:13,035 all hell broke loose backstage. 1761 01:53:13,953 --> 01:53:16,872 When the set ended, he was out ahead of me, 1762 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:18,457 took his cheapest guitar... 1763 01:53:24,923 --> 01:53:26,965 ...busted it in a million pieces 1764 01:53:27,133 --> 01:53:29,176 and jumped in his limousine and drove off. 1765 01:53:31,262 --> 01:53:32,721 And that was it. 1766 01:53:32,889 --> 01:53:35,098 That was really the straw that broke the camel's back. 1767 01:53:44,609 --> 01:53:48,654 Someone wrote, "The Eagles went out with a whimper, not a bang," 1768 01:53:48,822 --> 01:53:50,447 which was true. 1769 01:53:58,289 --> 01:53:59,414 I didn't want to hear it. 1770 01:53:59,582 --> 01:54:02,668 This was, like, my super dream had come true. 1771 01:54:07,507 --> 01:54:10,843 So I called Glenn, and I said, "What is the status? 1772 01:54:11,010 --> 01:54:13,095 What's going on? Is this thing really broken up?" 1773 01:54:13,263 --> 01:54:14,888 He said, "Yeah, it's over." 1774 01:54:16,933 --> 01:54:18,767 We were beat, 1775 01:54:18,935 --> 01:54:22,813 and it was really affecting the foundational core... 1776 01:54:22,981 --> 01:54:24,523 the soul of the band. 1777 01:54:24,691 --> 01:54:26,817 We hit the wall. 1778 01:54:26,985 --> 01:54:28,306 You work, work, work, work, work. 1779 01:54:28,319 --> 01:54:33,031 You get up to a peak, and then it's almost, you know, 1780 01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:37,619 invariably people head-butt and, "Whose band is it?" 1781 01:54:37,787 --> 01:54:41,331 And, "I'm in charge," and, "No, you're not," and there you go. 1782 01:54:49,716 --> 01:54:51,842 We had always said that we wanted to step off the wave 1783 01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:53,969 just before it crashed into the beach. 1784 01:54:54,554 --> 01:54:56,638 And we did. 1785 01:55:15,825 --> 01:55:18,076 The Beatle guys say they never thought... 1786 01:55:18,244 --> 01:55:20,124 McCartney never thought that band was gonna last 1787 01:55:20,163 --> 01:55:22,873 more than two years because no pop band did. 1788 01:55:23,666 --> 01:55:25,250 I think it's part of it. 1789 01:55:25,418 --> 01:55:26,138 It comes together. 1790 01:55:26,294 --> 01:55:28,420 It's magic, and it falls apart, you know? 1791 01:55:28,588 --> 01:55:34,009 But, you know, how cool that it even happens at all. 1792 01:55:38,264 --> 01:55:39,514 It was magical. 1793 01:55:42,352 --> 01:55:44,144 They wrote a lot of great, great songs 1794 01:55:44,312 --> 01:55:46,563 that will be celebrated and listened to 1795 01:55:46,731 --> 01:55:47,940 and loved for a long time. 1796 01:55:49,817 --> 01:55:56,740 We managed to represent that period of time in the '70s, 1797 01:55:56,908 --> 01:56:03,163 Southern California, which was very artistically creative. 1798 01:56:03,331 --> 01:56:10,170 I hope that's remembered like the Roaring '20s are, you know... 1799 01:56:10,338 --> 01:56:12,589 our generation and what we did. 1800 01:56:44,580 --> 01:56:48,166 We set out to become a band for our time, 1801 01:56:48,334 --> 01:56:51,294 but sometimes if you do a good enough job, 1802 01:56:51,462 --> 01:56:53,880 you become a band for all time. 1803 02:00:20,602 --> 02:00:23,437 A funny thing happened right when we broke up. 1804 02:00:23,605 --> 02:00:29,235 1980 is when the format "classic rock" hit American radio. 1805 02:00:29,403 --> 02:00:30,724 So even though the band broke up, 1806 02:00:30,862 --> 02:00:35,199 they kept playing our songs all the time. 1807 02:00:35,367 --> 02:00:39,662 It was like we never went away. We were still on the radio. 1808 02:00:47,004 --> 02:00:48,170 Somebody once told me 1809 02:00:48,338 --> 02:00:50,047 people didn't just listen to the Eagles. 1810 02:00:50,215 --> 02:00:52,425 They did things to the Eagles. 1811 02:00:52,593 --> 02:00:54,594 They went on fandangos and drove across the country 1812 02:00:54,761 --> 02:00:56,345 with three of their high-school buddies. 1813 02:01:00,100 --> 02:01:02,018 People broke up with their girlfriends. 1814 02:01:23,415 --> 02:01:25,958 People quit their jobs or changed their lives. 1815 02:01:26,126 --> 02:01:29,378 They did things to the Eagles. 1816 02:01:36,595 --> 02:01:39,347 Songs from that album have even been played in outer space. 1817 02:01:39,514 --> 02:01:41,474 And they used to pipe the music up to the space shuttle 1818 02:01:41,642 --> 02:01:43,309 to wake the astronauts up in the morning. 1819 02:01:43,477 --> 02:01:47,605 Shortly after having their breakfast of steak and eggs and toast, 1820 02:01:47,773 --> 02:01:50,566 he then put on his space suit and helmet. 1821 02:02:30,357 --> 02:02:31,757 That song has really gotten around. 1822 02:02:47,332 --> 02:02:48,332 There's been a lot of conjecture 1823 02:02:48,500 --> 02:02:50,501 about how and why we got back together. 1824 02:02:50,669 --> 02:02:53,879 We began to realize that we'd been away for 14 years. 1825 02:02:54,047 --> 02:02:56,924 Maybe we could have that rarest of things in American life, 1826 02:02:57,092 --> 02:02:59,593 which is a second act. 1827 02:02:59,761 --> 02:03:01,011 You know, a second chance. 1828 02:03:11,314 --> 02:03:13,441 Thank you. 1829 02:03:19,364 --> 02:03:21,657 When we stopped, I was really sad. 1830 02:03:21,825 --> 02:03:23,868 Like, "What are we gonna do?" 1831 02:03:34,045 --> 02:03:36,088 No! 1832 02:03:36,256 --> 02:03:38,215 I was pretty devastated. 1833 02:03:38,383 --> 02:03:41,510 I had only been part of it for barely three years, 1834 02:03:41,678 --> 02:03:43,262 and I'd loved it. 1835 02:03:51,438 --> 02:03:53,522 We created this monster, 1836 02:03:53,690 --> 02:03:55,441 and it took its toll on all of our lives. 1837 02:04:14,336 --> 02:04:15,961 Somebody was quoted as saying 1838 02:04:16,129 --> 02:04:18,410 the Eagles would get back together when hell freezes over. 1839 02:04:18,548 --> 02:04:20,841 So, hell froze over. 1840 02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:34,814 We're all ready. 1841 02:04:34,981 --> 02:04:36,816 The gentleman in blue over there. 1842 02:04:36,983 --> 02:04:38,484 After the acrimony and the bitterness 1843 02:04:38,652 --> 02:04:39,819 that marked the demise of the band, 1844 02:04:39,986 --> 02:04:42,655 it must have been a long road to reunion. 1845 02:04:42,823 --> 02:04:44,824 Can you just take us through the steps that you went through 1846 02:04:44,991 --> 02:04:48,536 on the road to reunification? 1847 02:04:50,455 --> 02:04:52,081 No. 1848 02:04:59,798 --> 02:05:01,131 Anybody want that one? 1849 02:05:01,299 --> 02:05:03,509 No, really, it's a fair question. 1850 02:05:03,677 --> 02:05:06,387 From the time that we disbanded in 1980, 1851 02:05:06,555 --> 02:05:09,014 there were always offers on the table 1852 02:05:09,182 --> 02:05:10,474 for us to get back together. 1853 02:05:10,642 --> 02:05:12,226 It started with the first US festival, 1854 02:05:12,394 --> 02:05:15,020 and Steve Wozniak wanted to pay us a million dollars. 1855 02:05:15,188 --> 02:05:16,730 I said no. 1856 02:05:20,944 --> 02:05:23,612 I needed to do something else. 1857 02:05:34,207 --> 02:05:36,709 I called my first solo album "No Fun Aloud" 1858 02:05:36,877 --> 02:05:38,794 because I was having so much fun. 1859 02:05:38,962 --> 02:05:41,589 It was so liberating to know that whatever I did 1860 02:05:41,756 --> 02:05:43,173 was gonna be more fun than what I just did 1861 02:05:43,341 --> 02:05:45,509 for the last three years on "The Long Run" album. 1862 02:05:47,429 --> 02:05:49,722 I knew I wanted to have a songwriting partner, 1863 02:05:49,890 --> 02:05:51,432 so I asked my friend Jack Tempchin 1864 02:05:51,600 --> 02:05:53,726 if he wanted to write some songs together. 1865 02:05:54,394 --> 02:05:56,645 And Jack's a very bright guy lyrically, 1866 02:05:56,813 --> 02:05:59,231 and so I started working with him. 1867 02:06:00,442 --> 02:06:03,068 He had become a disciplined co-writer with Don Henley, 1868 02:06:03,236 --> 02:06:04,528 and when the Eagles broke up, 1869 02:06:04,696 --> 02:06:07,698 he just wanted to let go and have some fun with music, you know? 1870 02:06:07,866 --> 02:06:10,659 So we were fiddling around with some grooves, 1871 02:06:10,827 --> 02:06:13,245 and one of us said, "You belong to the city." 1872 02:06:13,413 --> 02:06:15,373 And then we're going, "Oh, yeah, yeah. That's it." 1873 02:06:26,593 --> 02:06:28,969 You just show up and good things happen. 1874 02:06:34,392 --> 02:06:38,062 Henley's solo career was really, really successful. 1875 02:06:40,774 --> 02:06:43,108 Going solo was the scariest part of my life. 1876 02:06:46,821 --> 02:06:50,366 The whole MTV thing was a difficult transition for me to make. 1877 02:06:50,533 --> 02:06:51,700 You know, the Eagles, at one point, 1878 02:06:51,868 --> 02:06:56,121 had been accused by some critic of loitering onstage. 1879 02:06:56,289 --> 02:06:58,374 So it was difficult for us loiterers 1880 02:06:58,541 --> 02:07:01,418 to make the transition to the world of choreography 1881 02:07:01,586 --> 02:07:03,629 and costume and acting. 1882 02:07:08,426 --> 02:07:10,469 Did I benefit from MTV? Yes, I did. 1883 02:07:10,637 --> 02:07:13,037 You know, I made a couple of videos that won some MTV awards. 1884 02:07:13,098 --> 02:07:16,141 Nevertheless, I would just as soon have skipped the whole thing 1885 02:07:16,309 --> 02:07:18,727 because I considered myself, first and foremost, 1886 02:07:18,895 --> 02:07:22,815 a songwriter and a recording artist. 1887 02:07:22,983 --> 02:07:25,025 I didn't really want to be an actor, too. 1888 02:07:26,778 --> 02:07:27,861 Nice, huh? 1889 02:07:28,029 --> 02:07:30,072 The guy who sold it to me said it was a lemon. 1890 02:07:30,240 --> 02:07:31,782 But I'm telling you, it may look like a cow, 1891 02:07:31,950 --> 02:07:35,077 but she runs like a stallion. 1892 02:07:37,122 --> 02:07:39,999 I always like to take a good-bye look at America. 1893 02:07:42,502 --> 02:07:46,005 Just in case it's my last. 1894 02:07:46,506 --> 02:07:48,799 I acted in television, in movies. 1895 02:07:48,967 --> 02:07:51,844 I wasn't really thinking about getting back together with the Eagles. 1896 02:07:52,262 --> 02:07:54,513 The guy's got an attitude problem. 1897 02:07:54,681 --> 02:07:56,140 Yeah, well, he listens to me. I can help you with that. 1898 02:07:56,307 --> 02:07:59,018 Cameron would call me up and say, "Glenn, I got to find somebody 1899 02:07:59,185 --> 02:08:00,811 that's not gonna take any shit off Tom Cruise, 1900 02:08:00,979 --> 02:08:02,521 and I think you're the guy." 1901 02:08:02,689 --> 02:08:04,106 We have history, Dennis. 1902 02:08:04,274 --> 02:08:06,191 Oh, yeah. We got history all right, Jerry. 1903 02:08:06,359 --> 02:08:07,276 No, no, no. No, no, no. 1904 02:08:07,444 --> 02:08:09,153 Dennis! Dennis! Dennis! Don't! Don't! 1905 02:08:20,999 --> 02:08:23,584 I signed Don Henley to Geffen Records. 1906 02:08:23,752 --> 02:08:24,512 Now, you might say, 1907 02:08:24,586 --> 02:08:26,462 since the Eagles sued me at Asylum Records... 1908 02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:27,755 DAVID GEFFEN FOUNDER, ASYLUM RECORDS 1909 02:08:27,922 --> 02:08:29,214 ...why he did come with me at Geffen Records? 1910 02:08:29,382 --> 02:08:31,008 Well, David uses the same pickup lines 1911 02:08:31,176 --> 02:08:32,468 every time he comes a-courtin'. 1912 02:08:32,635 --> 02:08:34,555 "You know how much I care about you as an artist. 1913 02:08:34,721 --> 02:08:36,555 You know what a big fan I am of yours." 1914 02:08:36,723 --> 02:08:39,224 And so I bought it a second time and I signed with him. 1915 02:08:39,392 --> 02:08:41,226 And then things started to fall apart. 1916 02:08:42,771 --> 02:08:44,813 I produced several hits, 1917 02:08:44,981 --> 02:08:47,524 but I could feel the support somehow waning. 1918 02:08:47,692 --> 02:08:50,569 Don got into arguments with them 1919 02:08:50,737 --> 02:08:54,656 over things like budget, videos, artwork, things like that. 1920 02:08:54,824 --> 02:08:57,242 I recall Don starting to write letters to them 1921 02:08:57,410 --> 02:08:59,745 referring to them as Nickel and Dime Records. 1922 02:08:59,913 --> 02:09:01,663 When you feel like your label is not supporting you, 1923 02:09:01,831 --> 02:09:03,540 it's completely deflating. 1924 02:09:03,708 --> 02:09:05,542 I used to call him "Golden throat." 1925 02:09:05,710 --> 02:09:07,336 I thought he was an incredible singer. 1926 02:09:07,504 --> 02:09:10,172 But, by nature, he's a malcontent. 1927 02:09:10,340 --> 02:09:12,174 He's always been a malcontent. 1928 02:09:12,342 --> 02:09:15,094 And, you know, that's just life. 1929 02:09:15,261 --> 02:09:17,429 So I just said one day, "I'm not gonna record for you anymore. 1930 02:09:17,597 --> 02:09:19,056 I'm leaving." 1931 02:09:19,224 --> 02:09:21,558 And so he sued me for $30 million. 1932 02:09:33,571 --> 02:09:35,948 My wife has M.S., and they deposed her, 1933 02:09:36,116 --> 02:09:38,117 dragged her all the way from Texas to Los Angeles 1934 02:09:38,284 --> 02:09:40,786 to sit her down in front of his attorneys 1935 02:09:40,954 --> 02:09:43,622 and ask her a bunch of pointless questions, 1936 02:09:43,790 --> 02:09:45,457 because she didn't know anything. 1937 02:09:45,625 --> 02:09:46,959 I thought that was really low. 1938 02:09:47,502 --> 02:09:50,379 I said to Irving over the Henley contract, 1939 02:09:50,547 --> 02:09:52,965 "I'd sooner die than let you fuck me. 1940 02:09:53,133 --> 02:09:54,800 You'd better win this case." 1941 02:09:54,968 --> 02:09:56,468 It was settled, you know, 1942 02:09:56,636 --> 02:09:59,263 and that was the end of that relationship. 1943 02:10:13,194 --> 02:10:16,655 I've realized now that we have adult rock stars. 1944 02:10:18,741 --> 02:10:23,453 You don't have to give this up when you turn 30 or 35 or 40. 1945 02:10:25,999 --> 02:10:27,958 I'll always make records and write songs. 1946 02:10:28,126 --> 02:10:30,419 I got to do them. Otherwise, I'd go nuts. 1947 02:10:43,516 --> 02:10:46,935 This is a tune that was written with my new friend Mike Campbell 1948 02:10:47,103 --> 02:10:49,229 and my old friend John David Souther. 1949 02:10:49,397 --> 02:10:50,606 When the band broke up, 1950 02:10:50,773 --> 02:10:54,026 Glenn started writing songs with Jack Tempchin. 1951 02:10:54,194 --> 02:10:56,862 I guess the rift between Henley and Frey 1952 02:10:57,030 --> 02:11:00,073 probably spread to between Frey and me. 1953 02:11:00,241 --> 02:11:03,160 Glenn and I had had some outrageously fun times together. 1954 02:11:03,328 --> 02:11:06,038 And then Don and I did for a decade or so. 1955 02:11:29,729 --> 02:11:32,648 How have you changed as musicians over the years, 1956 02:11:32,815 --> 02:11:36,068 both as a group and individually? 1957 02:11:36,236 --> 02:11:39,238 Well, your whole mandate is just to improve. 1958 02:11:39,405 --> 02:11:40,864 You know, life is about improvement, 1959 02:11:41,032 --> 02:11:44,284 whether it's as a musician or as a singer or as a songwriter 1960 02:11:44,452 --> 02:11:47,496 or just, you know, all the other different hats we all wear. 1961 02:11:47,664 --> 02:11:49,831 So, hopefully, we're just getting better. 1962 02:11:49,999 --> 02:11:52,501 We've been doing this quite a long time now on and off, 1963 02:11:52,669 --> 02:11:54,836 and we feel like we've got it down pretty good. 1964 02:11:55,004 --> 02:11:57,005 And, in fact, we've had five days off, 1965 02:11:57,173 --> 02:11:59,091 and we're ready to go now. 1966 02:12:01,844 --> 02:12:03,136 When the Eagles first broke up, 1967 02:12:03,304 --> 02:12:06,598 I wasn't quite sure what I was gonna do with myself. 1968 02:12:06,766 --> 02:12:07,891 So I just hustled. 1969 02:12:08,059 --> 02:12:09,977 I went just as a singer with Toto, 1970 02:12:10,144 --> 02:12:11,687 I played bass for Jimmy Buffett, 1971 02:12:11,854 --> 02:12:13,981 I went out with Warren Zevon and Dan Fogelberg, 1972 02:12:14,148 --> 02:12:15,941 and stuff I wouldn't have necessarily done. 1973 02:12:16,109 --> 02:12:19,695 I sang on Poison records and Twisted Sister, 1974 02:12:19,862 --> 02:12:20,946 although you'll never see my name. 1975 02:12:21,114 --> 02:12:22,406 They never gave me credit. 1976 02:12:22,573 --> 02:12:25,450 That was more like yelling. 1977 02:12:26,286 --> 02:12:28,996 It's not all gonna be the greatest thing in the world. 1978 02:12:29,163 --> 02:12:32,291 But if you can work and support yourself and your family, 1979 02:12:32,458 --> 02:12:33,292 it's good. 1980 02:12:33,459 --> 02:12:34,418 Okay, next question. 1981 02:12:34,585 --> 02:12:36,962 Gentleman in the front here, Richard. 1982 02:12:37,130 --> 02:12:40,340 What position do you think rock 'n' roll takes now about drugs? 1983 02:12:43,136 --> 02:12:44,886 We came from a generation 1984 02:12:45,054 --> 02:12:50,892 that experimented with all kinds of substances, of course. 1985 02:12:51,060 --> 02:12:53,437 I think our message is that 1986 02:12:53,604 --> 02:12:56,648 you can be a damn good rock band without all that stuff. 1987 02:12:56,816 --> 02:12:58,483 I'd like to propose a toast 1988 02:12:58,651 --> 02:13:04,740 to dedicate this song to you, to us. 1989 02:13:05,992 --> 02:13:09,536 The drinking man's musician, Joe Walsh! 1990 02:13:22,383 --> 02:13:26,178 I ended up an alcoholic. 1991 02:13:27,889 --> 02:13:30,724 And very fond of cocaine. 1992 02:13:34,937 --> 02:13:41,318 If I was awake, I was doing that stuff. 1993 02:13:41,903 --> 02:13:44,029 Good morning, rock fans. 1994 02:13:44,197 --> 02:13:49,201 In the very early years, it had briefly worked. 1995 02:13:49,369 --> 02:13:51,328 Wow. 1996 02:13:52,997 --> 02:13:59,294 And then you chase it when it doesn't work anymore. 1997 02:13:59,504 --> 02:14:01,671 And I chased it for years and years. 1998 02:14:20,983 --> 02:14:25,570 "Could Hemingway have written like that if he was sober, 1999 02:14:25,738 --> 02:14:28,490 or could Hendrix have played like that 2000 02:14:28,658 --> 02:14:31,868 if he didn't experiment with hallucinogenics? 2001 02:14:32,036 --> 02:14:33,412 Well, probably not." 2002 02:14:33,579 --> 02:14:35,539 I used that one for years and years, 2003 02:14:35,706 --> 02:14:39,960 and it never occurred to me that all those people are dead. 2004 02:14:40,169 --> 02:14:45,215 They got further and further away from reality. 2005 02:14:45,383 --> 02:14:46,744 Should I look at you or the camera? 2006 02:14:46,884 --> 02:14:48,927 Look at me. 2007 02:14:51,514 --> 02:14:55,767 I ended up in bad shape. 2008 02:15:16,914 --> 02:15:19,708 I had hit bottom. 2009 02:15:19,876 --> 02:15:23,086 And I knew that I was done 2010 02:15:23,254 --> 02:15:25,839 and that... 2011 02:15:27,383 --> 02:15:29,759 ...I would probably die if I kept going. 2012 02:15:38,978 --> 02:15:40,520 Joe was a mess. 2013 02:15:40,688 --> 02:15:44,691 He was around a bunch of people that were really just enablers. 2014 02:15:44,859 --> 02:15:45,942 Nobody wanted to intervene. 2015 02:15:46,110 --> 02:15:48,153 Nobody wanted to tell him he had a drug problem 2016 02:15:48,321 --> 02:15:50,322 or a drinking problem. 2017 02:15:50,490 --> 02:15:53,950 Everybody was just going along with Joe. 2018 02:15:54,118 --> 02:15:59,664 I remember what we all did when it was an art form, you know? 2019 02:15:59,832 --> 02:16:04,961 And I'd like to fight to get it back to that. 2020 02:16:05,546 --> 02:16:08,298 And I was very, very happy in the Eagles. 2021 02:16:08,466 --> 02:16:09,883 I was just gonna say I'm sorry we broke up, 2022 02:16:10,051 --> 02:16:11,009 but we didn't break up. 2023 02:16:11,177 --> 02:16:12,469 We just stopped, I think. 2024 02:16:12,637 --> 02:16:16,681 We just said, you know, "The heck with the '80s." 2025 02:16:17,433 --> 02:16:18,892 Song 3, take 6. 2026 02:16:19,060 --> 02:16:23,146 In 1990, we tried to get together to refuel it. 2027 02:16:23,314 --> 02:16:26,775 Everybody was in on that, but Glenn wasn't involved yet. 2028 02:16:29,862 --> 02:16:31,696 Irving got us together... 2029 02:16:31,864 --> 02:16:34,449 Timothy, Joe, myself, and Don Henley. 2030 02:16:34,617 --> 02:16:36,701 Glenn was supposed to join us in the studio, 2031 02:16:36,869 --> 02:16:38,537 and he was gonna bring some songs in, 2032 02:16:38,704 --> 02:16:40,789 and we were gonna start making another record. 2033 02:16:40,957 --> 02:16:43,416 So, we started rehearsing, the four of us, 2034 02:16:43,584 --> 02:16:44,376 then we got a call, 2035 02:16:44,544 --> 02:16:47,837 I think, about the third or fourth day in the studio 2036 02:16:48,005 --> 02:16:52,592 saying that Glenn had refused to come be part of it, 2037 02:16:52,760 --> 02:16:54,135 to join the party. 2038 02:16:54,303 --> 02:16:55,512 So we just stopped. 2039 02:16:56,847 --> 02:16:58,723 He was still, "I'm not doing this." 2040 02:16:58,891 --> 02:17:00,141 Well, you know, to tell you the truth, 2041 02:17:00,309 --> 02:17:02,978 I was having a fine time doing what I was doing. 2042 02:17:03,145 --> 02:17:05,564 I mean, there's more to life than being in the Eagles. 2043 02:17:05,731 --> 02:17:06,931 The moment was always gonna be 2044 02:17:07,024 --> 02:17:08,817 kind of when Glenn was ready to do it again. 2045 02:17:08,985 --> 02:17:11,194 I think Henley would have been more willing than Glenn. 2046 02:17:11,362 --> 02:17:12,862 For me, personally, 2047 02:17:13,030 --> 02:17:15,282 I think that I had proved pretty much everything 2048 02:17:15,449 --> 02:17:18,326 that I needed to prove in my solo career. 2049 02:17:18,494 --> 02:17:19,452 I had won a couple of Grammys 2050 02:17:19,620 --> 02:17:22,414 and had a few hits and some successful tours. 2051 02:17:22,623 --> 02:17:24,791 And I had founded the Walden Woods Project. 2052 02:17:24,959 --> 02:17:26,042 When you're a solo artist, 2053 02:17:26,210 --> 02:17:28,920 you have to take responsibility for everything... 2054 02:17:29,088 --> 02:17:31,715 every mistake, every bad record, every sour note. 2055 02:17:31,882 --> 02:17:32,922 But when you're in a band, 2056 02:17:32,967 --> 02:17:35,885 you get to share the praise and the blame with your bandmates. 2057 02:17:36,053 --> 02:17:37,345 So, I was okay with the notion 2058 02:17:37,513 --> 02:17:39,639 of maybe going back and being in a band again. 2059 02:17:43,477 --> 02:17:45,437 The thing that sort of turned my head 2060 02:17:45,605 --> 02:17:47,856 was the release of the "Common Thread" album. 2061 02:17:48,024 --> 02:17:49,774 Irving and Don went to Nashville 2062 02:17:49,942 --> 02:17:53,403 and they talked a bunch of people into recording some Eagles songs 2063 02:17:53,571 --> 02:17:55,947 with the royalties going to the Walden Woods Project. 2064 02:17:59,493 --> 02:18:01,094 I don't know who asked me, but they said, 2065 02:18:01,203 --> 02:18:03,413 "Travis Tritt's gonna do a video of 'Take It Easy' 2066 02:18:03,581 --> 02:18:06,791 and he wants to know if you guys will be in the video." 2067 02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:09,544 I said, "Well, okay." 2068 02:18:15,384 --> 02:18:18,053 Never really talked to Travis about whose idea it was. 2069 02:18:18,220 --> 02:18:21,931 I think Irving probably had a hand in that whole thing. 2070 02:18:22,099 --> 02:18:23,808 Was I trying to put the band back together 2071 02:18:23,976 --> 02:18:26,144 by doing "Common Thread"? No. 2072 02:18:26,312 --> 02:18:28,480 Was I waiting for the moment? Yeah. 2073 02:18:38,949 --> 02:18:42,327 In the Travis Tritt video, there was a little bandstand scene 2074 02:18:42,495 --> 02:18:45,413 and we all picked up our instruments and started playing. 2075 02:18:45,581 --> 02:18:49,542 I was thinking, "Guys, come on." You know? 2076 02:18:49,710 --> 02:18:52,003 You know, it's interesting. After years pass, you know, 2077 02:18:52,171 --> 02:18:55,799 you really sort of remember that you were friends first. 2078 02:18:55,966 --> 02:18:57,258 You have a lot of common history together 2079 02:18:57,426 --> 02:19:00,679 and a lot of shared experiences. 2080 02:19:00,846 --> 02:19:02,972 I remembered mostly the good stuff. 2081 02:19:03,140 --> 02:19:06,059 I didn't really think about the bad stuff. 2082 02:19:06,227 --> 02:19:09,229 I just remembered how much we genuinely had liked each other 2083 02:19:09,397 --> 02:19:10,814 and how much fun we'd had. 2084 02:19:13,693 --> 02:19:16,152 We realized, after the success of the "Common Thread" album 2085 02:19:16,320 --> 02:19:18,905 that there were still a lot of people out there... 2086 02:19:19,073 --> 02:19:22,117 a whole lot of people... who wanted to see us play again. 2087 02:19:22,284 --> 02:19:25,164 You know, sometimes there's a little bit of serendipity involved in this, 2088 02:19:25,246 --> 02:19:26,329 and I think what happened 2089 02:19:26,497 --> 02:19:30,542 is everybody's life started to line up in a way 2090 02:19:30,710 --> 02:19:33,670 that now it made sense for all of us. 2091 02:19:33,838 --> 02:19:36,840 And we discussed it. 2092 02:19:37,007 --> 02:19:41,094 Joe and Don came up and sat in at a benefit that I did in Aspen. 2093 02:19:41,262 --> 02:19:42,887 We had a meeting in Aspen. 2094 02:19:43,055 --> 02:19:48,518 I was one of the first guys that they wanted to try it out on. 2095 02:19:48,686 --> 02:19:52,147 You know, Joe was buzzed. It was 1:00 in the afternoon. 2096 02:19:52,314 --> 02:19:55,400 You know, and he would say, "Hey, I'm there, man. 2097 02:19:55,568 --> 02:19:58,903 I'm fine. Don't worry about me." 2098 02:19:59,071 --> 02:20:02,699 But Don and I could both tell that he wasn't fine, 2099 02:20:02,867 --> 02:20:04,242 and we were worried. 2100 02:20:04,410 --> 02:20:06,035 They said what they wanted to do. 2101 02:20:06,203 --> 02:20:09,038 They wanted to try it, get back together again. 2102 02:20:09,206 --> 02:20:11,499 They didn't know what I would say, 2103 02:20:11,667 --> 02:20:18,131 but I said, "I understand, and, yeah, I can get sober." 2104 02:20:55,252 --> 02:20:58,087 We had to get Joe into some sort of rehab, 2105 02:20:58,255 --> 02:20:59,964 and we couldn't be sure it was gonna work. 2106 02:21:00,132 --> 02:21:01,674 So we better have Felder. 2107 02:21:01,842 --> 02:21:05,053 The Eagles reunion had better have at least one of the two of them, 2108 02:21:05,221 --> 02:21:06,304 and hopefully both. 2109 02:21:06,472 --> 02:21:07,889 Irving called me up and said 2110 02:21:08,057 --> 02:21:11,518 that Don and Glenn and Joe had gotten together, 2111 02:21:11,685 --> 02:21:13,770 and they were talking about doing something, 2112 02:21:13,938 --> 02:21:15,021 and would I be interested in doing it? 2113 02:21:15,189 --> 02:21:17,023 I said, "Absolutely." 2114 02:21:19,068 --> 02:21:20,735 One thing led to another, 2115 02:21:20,903 --> 02:21:23,947 and finally Irving and Don Felder picked him up 2116 02:21:24,114 --> 02:21:25,824 and drove him to rehab. 2117 02:21:26,784 --> 02:21:31,663 I made a commitment to them that I would clean up... 2118 02:21:32,456 --> 02:21:38,795 ...and that I would be in the band 2119 02:21:38,963 --> 02:21:41,047 if that's what they wanted to do. 2120 02:21:50,391 --> 02:21:53,852 I'm really, really grateful to those three guys... 2121 02:21:55,896 --> 02:21:58,565 ...because I had... 2122 02:21:59,483 --> 02:22:05,280 ...a really good reason to get sober. 2123 02:22:05,447 --> 02:22:11,494 And as soon as I got sober, we started rehearsal. 2124 02:22:54,455 --> 02:22:58,583 From that first phone call from Irving to showing up on a rehearsal stage 2125 02:22:58,751 --> 02:23:01,628 to start putting together a show for MTV 2126 02:23:01,795 --> 02:23:04,923 was only a matter of weeks, if not a month. 2127 02:23:10,471 --> 02:23:14,223 It was a little scary rehearsing for the MTV thing. 2128 02:23:14,391 --> 02:23:17,518 Normally, I think people would have their act down 2129 02:23:17,728 --> 02:23:19,145 a few weeks, at least, 2130 02:23:19,313 --> 02:23:21,439 before entering into something like that, 2131 02:23:21,607 --> 02:23:25,485 but we just dove in headfirst. 2132 02:23:34,954 --> 02:23:36,795 Well, even though we had rehearsed really well, 2133 02:23:36,956 --> 02:23:38,623 for the first time to walk out on stage 2134 02:23:38,791 --> 02:23:41,292 and actually play as a band in public 2135 02:23:41,460 --> 02:23:43,878 and kind of put the key back into the ignition 2136 02:23:44,046 --> 02:23:46,005 and turn it over for the first time, 2137 02:23:46,173 --> 02:23:48,341 it was really a lot of nerves. 2138 02:23:48,884 --> 02:23:50,677 Are we going the right way? 2139 02:23:50,844 --> 02:23:51,844 Glenn. 2140 02:23:52,012 --> 02:23:54,138 Not having played as a group in 14 years, 2141 02:23:54,306 --> 02:23:57,725 the first night, there was a lot of terror. 2142 02:23:57,893 --> 02:23:59,519 Gentlemen, good to be with ya. 2143 02:23:59,687 --> 02:24:02,105 Hope I'm with ya all night. 2144 02:24:02,272 --> 02:24:04,691 - Have a good one, okay? - Okay. 2145 02:24:04,858 --> 02:24:08,236 - Showtime! - Showtime! Showtime! 2146 02:24:15,285 --> 02:24:19,163 The audience was very kind, and they were with us. 2147 02:24:19,331 --> 02:24:23,209 And that was good, but it was rough. 2148 02:25:01,081 --> 02:25:04,584 Even when we went onstage, we were definitely a little tight. 2149 02:25:04,752 --> 02:25:07,754 Until, I think, Henley forgot the words 2150 02:25:07,921 --> 02:25:10,381 to one of the new songs... 2151 02:25:21,101 --> 02:25:23,519 You want to start again? I'll tell you what. 2152 02:25:23,687 --> 02:25:29,025 This is television, so we get to do this till we're happy. 2153 02:25:31,111 --> 02:25:33,488 Now, I thought you didn't remember the third verse. 2154 02:25:33,655 --> 02:25:35,198 That was only the second verse! 2155 02:25:35,365 --> 02:25:37,241 I know. I know the third verse. 2156 02:25:37,409 --> 02:25:38,659 That was sort of the icebreaker, though. 2157 02:25:38,827 --> 02:25:40,453 That was a good thing, ultimately. 2158 02:25:40,621 --> 02:25:42,997 I feel like Tommy Smothers. All right. 2159 02:25:48,504 --> 02:25:51,631 We didn't think getting back together was quite as legitimate 2160 02:25:51,799 --> 02:25:53,341 unless we had some new material, 2161 02:25:53,509 --> 02:25:56,803 so we're gonna put forth several new songs for you this evening. 2162 02:25:59,306 --> 02:26:01,974 This first one Timothy B. Schmit is gonna sing for you. 2163 02:26:02,142 --> 02:26:04,227 This is called "Love Will Keep Us Alive." 2164 02:26:43,475 --> 02:26:46,018 After selling 100 million records worldwide, 2165 02:26:46,186 --> 02:26:49,355 was it real pressure on you to write the new material 2166 02:26:49,523 --> 02:26:51,524 for the "Hell Freezes Over" album? 2167 02:26:53,152 --> 02:26:56,779 We didn't really look at it as a body of new work. 2168 02:26:56,947 --> 02:26:59,157 It was more of a retrospective piece of material. 2169 02:26:59,324 --> 02:27:02,243 And we look forward to writing some new material, 2170 02:27:02,411 --> 02:27:03,494 perhaps in the future. 2171 02:27:03,662 --> 02:27:06,205 We can't keep recycling this material, 2172 02:27:06,373 --> 02:27:09,041 although it seems to be working just fine. 2173 02:27:12,796 --> 02:27:16,883 Don and I were trying to figure out how to write another song, 2174 02:27:17,050 --> 02:27:18,885 and, I mean, really, if we could. 2175 02:27:19,052 --> 02:27:21,971 We hadn't written anything together since, like, '78. 2176 02:27:22,139 --> 02:27:25,391 So it was a little awkward at first, just getting back into the groove. 2177 02:27:25,559 --> 02:27:27,226 Yeah. 2178 02:27:27,394 --> 02:27:28,603 So, we go, 1... 2179 02:27:28,770 --> 02:27:31,022 Okay, here we are starting out at 1, 2... 2180 02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:32,356 During "The Long Run" album, 2181 02:27:32,524 --> 02:27:34,442 there were a lot of sessions with Don and I 2182 02:27:34,610 --> 02:27:35,776 where nothing got done. 2183 02:27:35,944 --> 02:27:38,487 We were both a little bit reticent to introduce our ideas 2184 02:27:38,655 --> 02:27:40,406 for fear that they weren't good enough. 2185 02:27:40,574 --> 02:27:43,409 So when we sat down to do it again in '94, 2186 02:27:43,577 --> 02:27:47,914 my first worry was, "Is it gonna be as hard as it was in 1978?" 2187 02:27:50,250 --> 02:27:52,891 We were sitting around, "What are we gonna write about?" and stuff. 2188 02:27:52,920 --> 02:27:56,380 And he said, "Well, I've got this one title, 'Get Over It."' 2189 02:27:56,548 --> 02:27:58,299 And he sort of proceeded to tell me 2190 02:27:58,467 --> 02:28:00,760 what it was that was pissing him off... 2191 02:28:00,928 --> 02:28:02,887 all these people going on television 2192 02:28:03,055 --> 02:28:06,224 and everything that's wrong with them is somebody else's fault. 2193 02:28:06,391 --> 02:28:08,434 "I'm just sick of all this whining, 2194 02:28:08,602 --> 02:28:11,437 and so I'm gonna write a song called 'Get Over It."' 2195 02:28:11,605 --> 02:28:14,815 The intro, straight Chuck Berry. 2196 02:28:14,983 --> 02:28:17,818 Never play a 7, right? 2197 02:28:19,947 --> 02:28:22,823 So, then I said, "I think maybe a Chuck Berry riff 2198 02:28:22,991 --> 02:28:24,951 would be a good way to tell that story." 2199 02:28:25,118 --> 02:28:26,285 Time out. 2200 02:28:26,453 --> 02:28:28,704 Do you want to play the? 2201 02:28:28,872 --> 02:28:30,248 You want to do it on slide? 2202 02:28:30,415 --> 02:28:33,125 And then Felder and I will just play power chords low and high. 2203 02:28:33,293 --> 02:28:35,461 And those guys will play Chuck Berry low and high. 2204 02:28:35,629 --> 02:28:38,422 And we can do "Get Over It". 2205 02:28:38,590 --> 02:28:41,300 A couple little of them slide answer licks is cool. 2206 02:28:41,468 --> 02:28:45,805 My favorite thing is when Don and Glenn co-write stuff. 2207 02:28:45,973 --> 02:28:48,349 I like to play guitar to that. 2208 02:29:07,661 --> 02:29:10,454 You want me to sing it, or do you want to wait? 2209 02:29:10,622 --> 02:29:12,331 It's 10 to 6. 2210 02:29:12,499 --> 02:29:15,584 You can sing it at 10 to 6 or 5 to 6. 2211 02:29:15,752 --> 02:29:18,045 - Do it again? - Yeah, we'll do it twice. 2212 02:29:18,213 --> 02:29:20,756 Yeah, you could write it in with the mike. 2213 02:29:21,883 --> 02:29:24,093 Captioned for hard of hearing. 2214 02:29:30,267 --> 02:29:32,476 It was really liberating. 2215 02:29:32,644 --> 02:29:34,520 We both walked out of the session and went, 2216 02:29:34,688 --> 02:29:37,481 "God, we can still do it. I can't believe it. 2217 02:29:37,649 --> 02:29:40,049 We just wrote a song together. Maybe we can write some more." 2218 02:29:45,490 --> 02:29:47,742 That was a really good feeling. 2219 02:29:47,909 --> 02:29:50,995 It was a great sort of artistic reconciliation 2220 02:29:51,163 --> 02:29:53,873 for us to have been able to sit down and write that song together. 2221 02:30:26,365 --> 02:30:27,531 Get over it! 2222 02:30:33,121 --> 02:30:36,332 We did "Hell Freezes Over," and then we went out on the road. 2223 02:30:40,712 --> 02:30:42,880 That was the question on everyone's mind... 2224 02:30:43,090 --> 02:30:45,800 what if we got back together, and no one showed up? 2225 02:31:12,035 --> 02:31:15,079 We set it up to be a three-month reunion. 2226 02:31:15,247 --> 02:31:18,332 I went back to my wife, and I had two young kids at the time. 2227 02:31:18,500 --> 02:31:20,793 I said, "I don't know if you're gonna recognize me. 2228 02:31:20,961 --> 02:31:23,462 I don't know what this is gonna do to me. 2229 02:31:23,630 --> 02:31:26,340 But I hope I don't change too much. 2230 02:31:26,508 --> 02:31:28,134 Hang in there with me." 2231 02:32:01,001 --> 02:32:03,878 I was on the side of the stage once at one of their shows 2232 02:32:04,045 --> 02:32:05,671 when they first got back together, 2233 02:32:05,839 --> 02:32:08,591 and Jack Nicholson was euphoric 2234 02:32:08,758 --> 02:32:11,635 listening to this band play again, you know. 2235 02:32:11,803 --> 02:32:15,890 And he said... 2236 02:32:16,057 --> 02:32:18,684 "Repertoire." 2237 02:32:18,852 --> 02:32:20,561 What do you want to hear? 2238 02:32:32,782 --> 02:32:35,423 We didn't know how many people are gonna show up for us to reunite, 2239 02:32:35,494 --> 02:32:38,204 but people came out in droves. 2240 02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:52,718 We were sold out everywhere. 2241 02:32:52,886 --> 02:32:55,763 Audiences were having a fabulous time. 2242 02:32:55,931 --> 02:32:57,223 We were having a good time, too. 2243 02:33:32,259 --> 02:33:33,509 Heartache, baby! 2244 02:33:38,723 --> 02:33:41,517 I listened to the guys, and Joe Walsh, for example, 2245 02:33:41,685 --> 02:33:43,602 is playing better and singing better 2246 02:33:43,770 --> 02:33:46,250 than I've ever heard him play in his life since I've known him. 2247 02:33:54,155 --> 02:33:58,534 I didn't have time to really sit around and miss alcohol 2248 02:33:58,702 --> 02:34:02,746 or cold turkey from more cocaine or anything. 2249 02:34:02,914 --> 02:34:10,462 And I had to go in front of people and play and sing sober, 2250 02:34:10,630 --> 02:34:13,591 which I hated, at first. 2251 02:34:13,800 --> 02:34:14,967 Ooh, that was scary. 2252 02:35:47,310 --> 02:35:51,146 When Joe first got out of rehab and we started rehearsing, 2253 02:35:51,314 --> 02:35:52,981 he was still pretty dark. 2254 02:35:53,149 --> 02:35:55,859 But over the course of that first year getting sober, 2255 02:35:56,027 --> 02:35:59,279 I think he found happiness again. 2256 02:35:59,447 --> 02:36:01,865 He found a way to be happy. 2257 02:36:07,580 --> 02:36:08,789 You look very pretty. 2258 02:36:08,957 --> 02:36:10,499 It's okay. Once more. 2259 02:36:10,667 --> 02:36:12,501 Oh, now, are you ready? 2260 02:36:12,669 --> 02:36:14,878 Father, daughter, take one. 2261 02:36:15,714 --> 02:36:19,091 We got that family thing to ground us all now. 2262 02:36:19,259 --> 02:36:21,844 It's really sort of our common thread. 2263 02:36:22,011 --> 02:36:23,262 We've all got kids. 2264 02:36:23,430 --> 02:36:25,639 It changes your life 2265 02:36:25,807 --> 02:36:28,726 and your perspective on your work, as well. 2266 02:36:40,488 --> 02:36:43,365 So, the tour was so enormously successful 2267 02:36:43,533 --> 02:36:45,200 that we sort of didn't want to give that up, you know? 2268 02:36:45,368 --> 02:36:49,037 It's like, "Okay, this is good. I could do this for a while." 2269 02:37:32,207 --> 02:37:33,916 Doing a concert is a strange combination 2270 02:37:34,083 --> 02:37:35,709 of conscious and subconscious acts. 2271 02:37:35,877 --> 02:37:38,170 You're not really thinking about what you're doing 2272 02:37:38,338 --> 02:37:39,922 because you know it so well, you're just doing it. 2273 02:37:40,089 --> 02:37:42,290 On the other hand, you have to put some emotion into it. 2274 02:37:42,342 --> 02:37:44,183 When you've got a crowd that's cheering you on, 2275 02:37:44,344 --> 02:37:46,470 it doesn't matter how many times you've sung the song. 2276 02:37:46,638 --> 02:37:47,846 You just do it. 2277 02:38:35,311 --> 02:38:36,728 We've played all over the world, 2278 02:38:36,896 --> 02:38:38,814 and probably, if we could write the script, 2279 02:38:38,982 --> 02:38:41,066 it was probably a genius move. 2280 02:38:41,234 --> 02:38:43,652 'Cause when we come back, it's bigger than ever. 2281 02:38:43,820 --> 02:38:47,656 How much money do you expect to gross with this European tour? 2282 02:38:47,824 --> 02:38:49,533 Irving? 2283 02:38:49,701 --> 02:38:51,660 I actually haven't added it up, but I will tell you that... 2284 02:38:51,828 --> 02:38:53,036 Good answer. 2285 02:38:54,539 --> 02:38:56,790 One thing, 2286 02:38:56,958 --> 02:39:00,502 the cost of being a touring rock-'n'-roll band in Europe 2287 02:39:00,670 --> 02:39:03,213 are beyond our wildest imaginations, 2288 02:39:03,381 --> 02:39:05,424 but this band is here in Europe 2289 02:39:05,592 --> 02:39:07,551 because there was demand for us to be here. 2290 02:39:07,719 --> 02:39:11,221 And it's not nearly as lucrative as anything we've done before. 2291 02:39:13,308 --> 02:39:14,975 It isn't? 2292 02:39:21,524 --> 02:39:23,984 Offers started coming in for us to do more shows, 2293 02:39:24,152 --> 02:39:25,235 and I just sort of said, 2294 02:39:25,403 --> 02:39:27,613 "Well, book some more. It doesn't have to end now. 2295 02:39:27,780 --> 02:39:29,072 Book some more. Where else can we play?" 2296 02:39:29,240 --> 02:39:30,198 "Well, you haven't been in Europe." 2297 02:39:30,366 --> 02:39:32,242 "Well, let's go there." 2298 02:40:15,995 --> 02:40:17,663 How's it go? 2299 02:40:42,355 --> 02:40:44,064 We had drawn a line in the sand 2300 02:40:44,232 --> 02:40:47,609 and said, "No drugs or alcohol during any band activities." 2301 02:40:47,777 --> 02:40:49,528 And as a result, 2302 02:40:49,696 --> 02:40:51,947 we're playing and singing pretty damn good. 2303 02:40:57,787 --> 02:41:00,107 I think the thing that brings them together is the harmony. 2304 02:41:00,123 --> 02:41:03,375 When they start hearing that and how seamless and how perfect, 2305 02:41:03,543 --> 02:41:05,877 they get as thrilled as the audiences do, 2306 02:41:06,045 --> 02:41:07,421 that "We can still do this." 2307 02:41:30,236 --> 02:41:31,737 We can't really understand it. 2308 02:41:31,904 --> 02:41:33,864 It's just the chemistry that works. 2309 02:41:34,032 --> 02:41:36,158 And we gave up trying to understand it. 2310 02:41:36,325 --> 02:41:37,576 It just works. 2311 02:41:37,744 --> 02:41:39,911 We're just gonna do one verse the "New Kid." 2312 02:41:40,079 --> 02:41:41,872 - One verse the "New Kid." - Okay. 2313 02:41:42,040 --> 02:41:43,749 - Joe's singing "Smuggler's Blues." - Okay. 2314 02:41:43,916 --> 02:41:46,084 I'll just do the beginning of "Funk 49." 2315 02:41:46,252 --> 02:41:47,627 And then I'm gonna go pee. 2316 02:41:47,795 --> 02:41:49,755 - Yeah. - Then I'll go pee. 2317 02:41:49,922 --> 02:41:51,506 1, 2, 3. 2318 02:43:33,067 --> 02:43:34,860 All right, boys! 2319 02:43:35,027 --> 02:43:37,237 We ended up going all around the world 2320 02:43:37,405 --> 02:43:40,323 in about two years and nine months. 2321 02:43:58,301 --> 02:44:01,094 Thank you, Dublin! 2322 02:44:06,684 --> 02:44:09,603 We've learned not to make career decisions 2323 02:44:09,770 --> 02:44:11,897 at the end of long tours. 2324 02:44:12,064 --> 02:44:13,523 If we break up again, though, you won't hear about it. 2325 02:44:13,691 --> 02:44:15,400 We'll just go quietly. 2326 02:44:15,568 --> 02:44:17,319 And we'll say we're still together. 2327 02:44:17,486 --> 02:44:18,653 Yeah. 2328 02:44:20,865 --> 02:44:23,450 They've laughed, cried, fought, 2329 02:44:23,618 --> 02:44:26,620 but most of all, they have beaten the odds 2330 02:44:26,787 --> 02:44:28,330 and are as popular today 2331 02:44:28,497 --> 02:44:32,500 as they were in that incredible summer back in 1972. 2332 02:44:32,668 --> 02:44:35,837 It is an honor and a pleasure to introduce the Eagles. 2333 02:44:41,427 --> 02:44:44,054 A lot has been talked about and speculated about 2334 02:44:44,222 --> 02:44:47,766 over the last 27 years about whether or not we got along. 2335 02:44:47,934 --> 02:44:52,395 We got along fine. We just disagreed a lot. 2336 02:44:52,563 --> 02:44:55,941 I was not in the trenches with this particular band, 2337 02:44:56,108 --> 02:44:58,485 so I'd like to thank my predecessor, Randy Meisner, 2338 02:44:58,653 --> 02:44:59,903 for being there. 2339 02:45:00,071 --> 02:45:03,949 I'm glad that Randy and Bernie got recognized. 2340 02:45:04,116 --> 02:45:05,867 I think that's appropriate. 2341 02:45:08,120 --> 02:45:09,496 Hey, how you doin'? 2342 02:45:09,664 --> 02:45:11,039 It's a good feeling. 2343 02:45:11,207 --> 02:45:14,376 Looks good on my resume. 2344 02:45:17,088 --> 02:45:20,382 I'd really like to thank Don and Glenn for writing those songs. 2345 02:45:20,549 --> 02:45:22,217 Thank you, guys. 2346 02:45:22,385 --> 02:45:23,969 It makes my job real easy. 2347 02:45:24,136 --> 02:45:26,054 Thank you! 2348 02:45:27,974 --> 02:45:30,225 Charming outfit, Joe. 2349 02:45:31,269 --> 02:45:34,062 I'd like to, again, thank Don Henley and Glenn Frey 2350 02:45:34,230 --> 02:45:35,730 for writing an incredible body of work 2351 02:45:35,898 --> 02:45:40,026 that's propelled this band through 20-some-odd years' worth of life. 2352 02:45:40,194 --> 02:45:41,194 Thank you, guys. 2353 02:45:41,362 --> 02:45:44,322 When a kid first picks up a guitar or a drumstick, 2354 02:45:44,490 --> 02:45:46,116 it's not really to be famous. 2355 02:45:46,284 --> 02:45:48,618 It's because that kid wants to fit in somewhere 2356 02:45:48,786 --> 02:45:50,412 and he wants to be accepted, 2357 02:45:50,579 --> 02:45:53,498 and he wants to be understood, even. 2358 02:45:53,666 --> 02:45:57,711 And so, I like to think of this award 2359 02:45:57,878 --> 02:45:59,671 as something that is acknowledging us 2360 02:45:59,839 --> 02:46:03,425 not for being famous, but for doing the work. 2361 02:46:03,592 --> 02:46:05,051 And I appreciate all the work 2362 02:46:05,219 --> 02:46:07,178 that all these guys behind me have done. 2363 02:46:07,346 --> 02:46:08,847 I want to thank Irving Azoff, 2364 02:46:09,015 --> 02:46:12,017 without whom we wouldn't be here today. 2365 02:46:13,519 --> 02:46:16,855 As I've said before, he may be Satan, but he's our Satan. 2366 02:46:18,858 --> 02:46:21,109 We're in a dog-eat-dog business. 2367 02:46:21,277 --> 02:46:23,403 Show me anybody that's gonna be responsible 2368 02:46:23,571 --> 02:46:26,448 for guiding or managing an artist's career 2369 02:46:26,615 --> 02:46:27,775 that's made too many friends, 2370 02:46:27,908 --> 02:46:30,285 and I'm gonna show you somebody that's sold out their artist 2371 02:46:30,453 --> 02:46:32,162 and done a crappy job. 2372 02:46:32,330 --> 02:46:37,125 So, I was quite proud of Henley's reference of what he said. 2373 02:46:37,293 --> 02:46:40,837 It was more or less, for me, a validation of a job well done. 2374 02:46:41,047 --> 02:46:45,050 A lot of my job was trying to keep the band from breaking up. 2375 02:46:45,217 --> 02:46:46,301 In the '70s, 2376 02:46:46,469 --> 02:46:48,803 we formed a corporation called Eagles, Limited. 2377 02:46:48,971 --> 02:46:51,806 And that was all-for-one and one-for-all. 2378 02:46:51,974 --> 02:46:54,351 Well, it wasn't the three musketeers. 2379 02:46:54,518 --> 02:46:56,644 As our friend J.D. Souther used to say, 2380 02:46:56,812 --> 02:46:59,522 "Time passes, things change." 2381 02:46:59,690 --> 02:47:00,940 In talking with Irving 2382 02:47:01,108 --> 02:47:03,985 about putting the Eagles back together in 1994, 2383 02:47:04,153 --> 02:47:05,987 I said, "Irving, I'm not gonna do it 2384 02:47:06,155 --> 02:47:08,740 unless Don and I make more money than the other guys." 2385 02:47:10,242 --> 02:47:12,744 "We're the only guys who have done anything career-wise 2386 02:47:12,912 --> 02:47:14,537 in the last 14 years. 2387 02:47:14,705 --> 02:47:17,832 We're the guys that have kept the Eagles' name alive on radio, 2388 02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:19,834 television, and in concert halls." 2389 02:47:20,002 --> 02:47:21,961 So we came up with a deal 2390 02:47:22,129 --> 02:47:24,923 that I was happy with, and Don was happy with, 2391 02:47:25,091 --> 02:47:28,009 Timothy was happy with, Joe was happy with, 2392 02:47:28,177 --> 02:47:29,928 and Don Felder was not happy with. 2393 02:47:30,096 --> 02:47:31,930 And I called Felder's representative. 2394 02:47:32,098 --> 02:47:34,307 And I said, "Hello, Barry. This is Glenn Frey. 2395 02:47:34,475 --> 02:47:37,727 I'm sorry you happen to represent the only asshole in the band, 2396 02:47:37,895 --> 02:47:39,270 but let me tell you something. 2397 02:47:39,438 --> 02:47:42,732 You either sign this agreement before the sun goes down today, 2398 02:47:42,900 --> 02:47:44,859 or we're replacing Don Felder. 2399 02:47:45,027 --> 02:47:46,152 That's the final deal. 2400 02:47:46,320 --> 02:47:49,239 He signs by sunset, or he's out of the fucking band." 2401 02:47:49,407 --> 02:47:51,616 Hung up. 2402 02:47:51,784 --> 02:47:56,538 So, he signed the deal, and we started out on the tour. 2403 02:47:56,705 --> 02:47:59,958 I didn't sense a great deal of comaraderie. 2404 02:48:00,126 --> 02:48:01,501 You hardly saw anybody 2405 02:48:01,669 --> 02:48:05,130 if it wasn't walking on the plane or walking onto the stage. 2406 02:48:05,297 --> 02:48:07,549 Everyone thought, "Well, if we don't get together, 2407 02:48:07,716 --> 02:48:09,300 we won't have problems." 2408 02:48:09,468 --> 02:48:11,886 And I think instead of being able to sit down and have a beer 2409 02:48:12,054 --> 02:48:15,807 and talk about stuff and renew a relationship with everyone, 2410 02:48:15,975 --> 02:48:18,435 that independent isolation 2411 02:48:18,602 --> 02:48:23,148 really didn't add the comfort necessary to make it work. 2412 02:48:23,315 --> 02:48:27,652 Don Felder was never, ever satisfied, 2413 02:48:27,820 --> 02:48:29,529 never, ever happy. 2414 02:48:31,824 --> 02:48:34,659 A rock band is not a perfect democracy. 2415 02:48:34,827 --> 02:48:36,286 It's more like a sports team. 2416 02:48:36,454 --> 02:48:38,872 No one can do anything without the other guys, 2417 02:48:39,039 --> 02:48:42,459 but everybody doesn't get to touch the ball all the time. 2418 02:48:43,169 --> 02:48:44,711 Time went on, and time went on, 2419 02:48:44,879 --> 02:48:47,839 and Felder became more and more unhappy. 2420 02:48:48,007 --> 02:48:50,467 Couldn't appreciate the amount of money he was making, 2421 02:48:50,634 --> 02:48:54,471 more concerned about how much money I was making. 2422 02:48:59,185 --> 02:49:01,603 If Don Felder really thought about it, 2423 02:49:01,770 --> 02:49:04,814 it really was he wanted it to be a "band" band 2424 02:49:04,982 --> 02:49:07,025 in the purest sense of the words, 2425 02:49:07,193 --> 02:49:09,073 you know, we're all gonna get equal songwriting, 2426 02:49:09,236 --> 02:49:10,862 singing, expression stuff, 2427 02:49:11,030 --> 02:49:13,406 and this was not a hippie commune. 2428 02:49:13,574 --> 02:49:15,116 You know, and everything for them 2429 02:49:15,284 --> 02:49:17,577 really goes back to those two words... song power. 2430 02:49:19,705 --> 02:49:22,290 We finally made the decision 2431 02:49:22,458 --> 02:49:25,084 that we won't be working with him anymore. 2432 02:49:25,252 --> 02:49:26,628 It just broke my heart. 2433 02:49:27,546 --> 02:49:30,006 It's not just playing with Joe. 2434 02:49:30,174 --> 02:49:32,592 I missed these guys. 2435 02:49:32,760 --> 02:49:36,221 But I really missed the friendship and the music. 2436 02:49:38,974 --> 02:49:40,475 Okay. 2437 02:49:40,643 --> 02:49:41,476 Strong. 2438 02:49:41,644 --> 02:49:43,353 Good. Good, good, good. Good shot. 2439 02:49:43,521 --> 02:49:45,813 Glenn and I, when it comes time to make band decisions, 2440 02:49:45,981 --> 02:49:47,774 usually stick together. 2441 02:49:47,942 --> 02:49:51,819 It's difficult for four or five people to have an equal say. 2442 02:49:51,987 --> 02:49:55,114 Here we are 40 years later, and we're doing okay. 2443 02:49:55,324 --> 02:49:58,910 We're one of the few bands that can say that. 2444 02:49:59,078 --> 02:50:01,538 The novelty of the Eagles being back together 2445 02:50:01,705 --> 02:50:03,289 and those few new songs that we had 2446 02:50:03,457 --> 02:50:05,583 on the "Hell Freezes Over" album is one thing. 2447 02:50:05,751 --> 02:50:08,378 But we needed to make a record. 2448 02:50:10,589 --> 02:50:13,508 Considering that we haven't made a record in so long, 2449 02:50:13,676 --> 02:50:18,763 we spent a good two and a half years making "Long Road Out of Eden." 2450 02:50:18,931 --> 02:50:22,100 We finally figured out that we just needed to do what we do. 2451 02:50:22,268 --> 02:50:24,519 This really goes back to the essence of what we do best, 2452 02:50:24,687 --> 02:50:26,062 which is singing and songwriting. 2453 02:50:26,230 --> 02:50:28,064 A lot of harmony singing on this album. 2454 02:50:39,868 --> 02:50:43,538 Big tragedies like that make you think, as a parent, 2455 02:50:43,706 --> 02:50:45,790 what kind of world is coming up? 2456 02:50:45,958 --> 02:50:47,125 What's gonna happen next? 2457 02:50:47,293 --> 02:50:49,669 What's the world gonna be like when my kids are grown? 2458 02:50:51,839 --> 02:50:55,633 After September 11th, our immediate visceral reaction, 2459 02:50:55,801 --> 02:50:58,720 our gut reaction, resulted in "Hole in the World." 2460 02:51:07,104 --> 02:51:08,479 The Eagles have written and sung 2461 02:51:08,647 --> 02:51:10,356 plenty of love songs over the years, 2462 02:51:10,524 --> 02:51:11,983 but we've also written and sung 2463 02:51:12,151 --> 02:51:15,445 songs that have to do with what's going on in the wider world. 2464 02:51:15,613 --> 02:51:17,822 We've never shied away from social commentary. 2465 02:51:17,990 --> 02:51:19,741 We think it's part of a rich tradition 2466 02:51:19,908 --> 02:51:21,993 that dates all the way back to medieval times. 2467 02:51:22,161 --> 02:51:24,871 And so we still engage in it. 2468 02:51:47,519 --> 02:51:49,479 The writings and the ideas 2469 02:51:49,647 --> 02:51:52,148 of Henry David Thoreau and Ralph Waldo Emerson 2470 02:51:52,316 --> 02:51:53,524 had a huge impact on me. 2471 02:51:53,692 --> 02:51:56,611 They got me through some very difficult times in my life, 2472 02:51:56,779 --> 02:51:59,155 one being when my father was stricken with heart disease, 2473 02:51:59,323 --> 02:52:03,242 and provided a lot of spiritual support for me. 2474 02:52:03,410 --> 02:52:04,661 When I found out in 1980 2475 02:52:04,828 --> 02:52:07,330 that part of Walden was going to be destroyed 2476 02:52:07,498 --> 02:52:08,831 by commercial development, 2477 02:52:08,999 --> 02:52:12,794 I decided that was something I needed to help fight. 2478 02:52:12,961 --> 02:52:16,255 So I ended up founding the Walden Woods Project. 2479 02:52:16,423 --> 02:52:20,510 And we are in our 27th year now, and we've accomplished a great deal. 2480 02:52:20,678 --> 02:52:23,346 It's been one of the most rewarding things that I've ever done. 2481 02:52:33,899 --> 02:52:36,401 The lyrics to that song were originally a poem 2482 02:52:36,568 --> 02:52:39,862 written by a great American poet named John Hollander. 2483 02:52:56,755 --> 02:52:59,674 Don had this title, "Long Road Out of Eden." 2484 02:52:59,842 --> 02:53:02,760 Timothy goes over, and he picks up an acoustic guitar. 2485 02:53:02,928 --> 02:53:04,128 And I go over to the keyboards 2486 02:53:04,221 --> 02:53:07,974 and Joe grabs a guitar and Don goes on the drums. 2487 02:53:08,142 --> 02:53:11,102 And we start making up this sort of musical story 2488 02:53:11,270 --> 02:53:13,271 called "Long Road Out of Eden," 2489 02:53:13,439 --> 02:53:16,190 a story of, really, the war in Iraq. 2490 02:53:26,618 --> 02:53:28,453 And it was, like, the last resort. 2491 02:53:28,620 --> 02:53:33,040 It was another opus, another David Lean movie. 2492 02:53:41,759 --> 02:53:43,134 We finally got through, 2493 02:53:43,302 --> 02:53:45,303 and we finally made "Long Road Out of Eden." 2494 02:53:45,471 --> 02:53:47,430 And we didn't give it to a record company. 2495 02:53:47,598 --> 02:53:49,390 We made a deal with Walmart. 2496 02:53:49,558 --> 02:53:53,895 This was the first major artist to do a direct-to-retail release 2497 02:53:54,062 --> 02:53:56,105 and bypass the major record companies. 2498 02:53:56,273 --> 02:53:57,815 It was phenomenally successful. 2499 02:53:57,983 --> 02:53:59,525 The album entered at number one. 2500 02:53:59,693 --> 02:54:01,903 It gave, I think, the whole industry hope 2501 02:54:02,070 --> 02:54:05,323 that it could find a new and different way to reach its fans. 2502 02:54:05,491 --> 02:54:07,052 They're becoming a much greener company, 2503 02:54:07,117 --> 02:54:08,409 and that was important to me. 2504 02:54:08,577 --> 02:54:11,329 And the other good thing was that our fans got 20 songs for 12 bucks. 2505 02:54:11,497 --> 02:54:12,830 It was basically a double album, 2506 02:54:12,998 --> 02:54:14,916 and they weren't charged double for it. 2507 02:54:18,170 --> 02:54:20,046 Don said, "I got a title for a song... 2508 02:54:20,214 --> 02:54:22,006 'Busy Being Fabulous."' 2509 02:54:22,174 --> 02:54:24,258 And I thought, "What a great title." 2510 02:54:31,683 --> 02:54:32,767 And then Don wrote, 2511 02:54:32,935 --> 02:54:35,216 "'Don't wait up for me tonight, ' that was all she wrote." 2512 02:54:41,026 --> 02:54:42,860 And then we were off on the story. 2513 02:54:54,331 --> 02:54:55,832 "Busy Being Fabulous," 2514 02:54:55,999 --> 02:54:58,584 Don and Glenn had gotten it to a certain state, 2515 02:54:58,752 --> 02:55:01,087 and I came up with some stuff for the bridge 2516 02:55:01,255 --> 02:55:03,047 and tweaked what already existed. 2517 02:55:03,215 --> 02:55:05,967 I was very involved in the "Long Road" record. 2518 02:55:06,134 --> 02:55:08,886 I've always been a lot happier getting into the entire project, 2519 02:55:09,054 --> 02:55:11,472 arranging stuff, producing the stuff, co-writing the stuff. 2520 02:55:12,349 --> 02:55:16,018 Like, "Waiting in the Weeds" and "Business As Usual" 2521 02:55:16,186 --> 02:55:18,980 were co-writes with Don. 2522 02:55:19,147 --> 02:55:23,651 Getting Steuart Smith in the band was a real shot in the arm. 2523 02:55:23,819 --> 02:55:25,862 He's such a terrific musician. 2524 02:55:32,244 --> 02:55:33,411 It's a great solo. 2525 02:55:33,579 --> 02:55:35,454 It's like stepping into a space suit. 2526 02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:40,334 It is strange to be playing that song. 2527 02:55:40,586 --> 02:55:44,714 The reaction is terrific, and you bask in that excitement. 2528 02:55:44,882 --> 02:55:46,507 But I didn't write it. 2529 02:55:52,431 --> 02:55:55,141 I'm one part hired gun, but also one part collaborator. 2530 02:55:55,309 --> 02:55:56,767 I'm one of the guitar players. 2531 02:55:57,644 --> 02:56:00,521 But I'm not an Eagle. 2532 02:56:00,689 --> 02:56:02,356 I don't know what it's like to be one of those guys. 2533 02:56:02,524 --> 02:56:04,442 ...3, 4. 2534 02:56:06,987 --> 02:56:09,488 My kids were looking on the Internet, 2535 02:56:09,656 --> 02:56:13,910 and they found this show that the Eagles had done in 1974. 2536 02:56:19,666 --> 02:56:21,292 I was in my office watching TV, 2537 02:56:21,460 --> 02:56:23,836 and my kids come in and say, "Hey, Dad, come here. 2538 02:56:24,004 --> 02:56:25,630 You got to take a look at your hair." 2539 02:56:25,797 --> 02:56:28,090 And one of the songs was "How Long." 2540 02:56:44,566 --> 02:56:46,651 "How Long" was from my first solo album. 2541 02:56:46,818 --> 02:56:49,028 They found that, 'cause Cindy saw it on YouTube 2542 02:56:49,196 --> 02:56:50,655 and said, "Glenn, what's this?" 2543 02:56:50,822 --> 02:56:52,865 And he said, "Oh, it's a song of J.D.'s." 2544 02:56:53,033 --> 02:56:55,201 She said, "Well, you didn't cut it, did you?" 2545 02:57:07,464 --> 02:57:11,467 J.D. Wanted it on his solo album, so we never recorded it. 2546 02:57:11,635 --> 02:57:14,136 My wife said, "Hey, that sounds like a hit Eagles song." 2547 02:57:47,629 --> 02:57:49,338 They are the American band. 2548 02:57:49,506 --> 02:57:53,050 Yeah, they pretty much encompassed the '70s, didn't they? 2549 02:57:53,218 --> 02:57:54,552 And took it all in. 2550 02:57:54,720 --> 02:57:57,722 That's a long time to still have a musical impact, 2551 02:57:57,889 --> 02:58:02,226 and it's due to this incredibly crisp, tight, 2552 02:58:02,394 --> 02:58:04,562 extraordinarily good record-making band 2553 02:58:04,730 --> 02:58:06,689 and the presence of good songs. 2554 02:58:06,857 --> 02:58:09,150 But it's also now taken on this other thing, too, 2555 02:58:09,317 --> 02:58:13,237 where it's everybody through the band wants to remember a '70s 2556 02:58:13,405 --> 02:58:15,239 that they may or may not have had. 2557 02:58:40,849 --> 02:58:43,267 This band could go play stadiums all over the country, 2558 02:58:43,435 --> 02:58:47,646 and people know these songs so intimately. 2559 02:58:52,861 --> 02:58:54,445 They last. 2560 02:58:54,613 --> 02:58:55,988 The songs last. 2561 02:58:57,866 --> 02:59:00,451 I have one small plaque on my wall. 2562 02:59:00,619 --> 02:59:02,244 It says, "Presented to the Eagles 2563 02:59:02,412 --> 02:59:06,123 to commemorate the best-selling album of the 20th century 2564 02:59:06,291 --> 02:59:09,418 with sales in excess of 26 million units." 2565 02:59:09,628 --> 02:59:13,881 That century's gone, so nobody's gonna top that. 2566 02:59:16,218 --> 02:59:18,219 What's it like to be an Eagle now? 2567 02:59:18,386 --> 02:59:19,804 It's just part of my life. 2568 02:59:19,971 --> 02:59:20,805 I do normal things. 2569 02:59:20,972 --> 02:59:22,681 I go to the market, 2570 02:59:22,849 --> 02:59:25,893 and once in a while, somebody comes up to me. 2571 02:59:26,061 --> 02:59:28,270 I don't walk around being an Eagle. 2572 02:59:28,438 --> 02:59:31,232 I'm an Eagle when it's time for me to be. 2573 02:59:31,441 --> 02:59:34,860 I made sure the dishes were done before you guys came today. 2574 02:59:35,028 --> 02:59:36,862 You know? 2575 03:00:36,673 --> 03:00:39,884 I love everybody in the band like a brother. 2576 03:00:40,051 --> 03:00:45,472 To be part of a real band, 2577 03:00:45,640 --> 03:00:46,724 a real band, 2578 03:00:46,892 --> 03:00:52,605 is something that not all musicians get to do in their life. 2579 03:00:52,772 --> 03:00:58,819 And I'm real lucky to have that chapter in my book. 2580 03:01:05,160 --> 03:01:07,494 Rock 'n' roll saved my life. 2581 03:01:07,662 --> 03:01:10,623 It changed my life tremendously. 2582 03:01:10,790 --> 03:01:15,878 And as Mick Jagger so famously and eloquently said, 2583 03:01:16,046 --> 03:01:19,006 "It's only rock 'n' roll, but I like it." 2584 03:01:19,174 --> 03:01:20,466 I think that one of the reasons 2585 03:01:20,634 --> 03:01:22,218 that Glenn and I wanted to write songs 2586 03:01:22,385 --> 03:01:24,929 is because rock 'n' roll music got us through junior high 2587 03:01:25,096 --> 03:01:26,017 and through high school 2588 03:01:26,223 --> 03:01:28,098 and those difficult times 2589 03:01:28,266 --> 03:01:29,516 when you're searching for your identity 2590 03:01:29,684 --> 03:01:33,354 and wondering who the heck you are, trying to get girls to notice you, 2591 03:01:33,521 --> 03:01:35,001 and wondering why the football players 2592 03:01:35,106 --> 03:01:37,233 are doing so much better than you are. 2593 03:01:37,817 --> 03:01:39,193 At the end of the day, 2594 03:01:39,361 --> 03:01:43,239 it was and still is about the music. 2595 03:01:48,745 --> 03:01:51,622 I regret that I didn't handle some of the adversity 2596 03:01:51,790 --> 03:01:54,541 that the Eagles faced in the late '70s better. 2597 03:01:54,709 --> 03:01:56,085 Fortunately, for me, 2598 03:01:56,253 --> 03:01:59,046 I've had another chance to be the leader of the Eagles, 2599 03:01:59,214 --> 03:02:02,466 another chance to be Don's partner 2600 03:02:02,634 --> 03:02:05,844 and do this work again and play this music. 2601 03:02:06,012 --> 03:02:09,515 And in this second run, I think I've done a pretty good job 2602 03:02:09,683 --> 03:02:13,769 of keeping the peace and keep the band together, 2603 03:02:13,937 --> 03:02:15,729 keep everybody happy. 2604 03:02:15,897 --> 03:02:19,692 So here we are, still doing it. 2605 03:02:36,501 --> 03:02:38,669 Thank you. 2606 03:02:44,050 --> 03:02:46,302 That's it! That's it! 2607 03:02:48,179 --> 03:02:50,139 - Bye-bye. - Bye-bye. 2608 03:02:51,224 --> 03:02:53,475 We wanted longevity. 2609 03:02:53,643 --> 03:02:56,020 It wasn't a hobby for us. It wasn't a game. 2610 03:02:56,187 --> 03:02:58,147 It wasn't a pleasant diversion. 2611 03:02:58,315 --> 03:03:00,232 It was a life. 2612 03:03:00,400 --> 03:03:02,318 It was a calling. It was a career. 2613 03:03:02,485 --> 03:03:03,902 It was worth it. 2614 03:03:08,074 --> 03:03:10,534 We went to China last year. 2615 03:03:10,702 --> 03:03:13,620 We're still breaking new ground 40 years later. 2616 03:03:15,290 --> 03:03:16,373 Back in the late '70s, 2617 03:03:16,541 --> 03:03:19,501 Neil Young sang a song about the emerging punk ethic. 2618 03:03:19,669 --> 03:03:21,503 And the pivotal line in that song was: 2619 03:03:21,671 --> 03:03:23,881 "It's better to burn out than it is to rust." 2620 03:03:24,049 --> 03:03:26,050 And I'm not sure that even Neil, himself, 2621 03:03:26,217 --> 03:03:27,551 subscribed to that sentiment, 2622 03:03:27,719 --> 03:03:29,470 but I don't see rust as a bad thing. 2623 03:03:29,637 --> 03:03:32,723 I have an old 1962 John Deere tractor 2624 03:03:32,891 --> 03:03:36,518 that's covered with rust, but it runs like a top. 2625 03:03:36,686 --> 03:03:39,188 You know, the inner workings are just fine. 2626 03:03:53,620 --> 03:03:56,038 To me, that rust symbolizes all the miles driven 2627 03:03:56,206 --> 03:04:01,001 and all the good work done and all the experiences gained. 2628 03:04:22,107 --> 03:04:25,192 From where I sit, the rust looks pretty good. 2629 03:05:04,232 --> 03:05:05,732 When somebody is around 40 years, 2630 03:05:05,900 --> 03:05:08,569 it means they've got something, something that people want. 2631 03:05:08,736 --> 03:05:09,445 And the Eagles have that. 2632 03:05:09,612 --> 03:05:12,322 To me, the Eagles really expressed a mood. 2633 03:05:12,490 --> 03:05:14,533 California was the place of dreams. 2634 03:05:14,701 --> 03:05:17,077 It was a time of limitless possibilities. 2635 03:05:17,245 --> 03:05:20,289 I think they were a defining moment 2636 03:05:20,457 --> 03:05:22,249 in the rock-'n'-roll world that I love. 2637 03:05:22,417 --> 03:05:24,877 You couldn't really love the Eagles music 2638 03:05:25,044 --> 03:05:27,629 and be an Eagles fan and actually know them 2639 03:05:27,797 --> 03:05:29,506 and not aspire to greatness yourself. 2640 03:05:29,674 --> 03:05:31,341 I'm not really into legacies. 2641 03:05:31,509 --> 03:05:33,260 People talk to me, "What's your legacy?" 2642 03:05:33,428 --> 03:05:34,720 I'm here now. 2643 03:05:34,888 --> 03:05:37,598 I'm doing what I want to do, 2644 03:05:37,765 --> 03:05:39,600 and I'm trying to make stuff happen. 2645 03:05:39,767 --> 03:05:41,185 I see the Eagles in the same way. 2646 03:05:41,352 --> 03:05:42,936 They're not in the '70s. 2647 03:05:43,104 --> 03:05:46,482 They're in 2012 and 2013. 2648 03:05:46,649 --> 03:05:50,110 And whatever they're doing now artistically, that's what's important. 216293

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