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ERIK: As we survey
just over the east field here

and in the vicinity
of the triangle...

All right, we're going.

...we want to understand

whether we're dealing with

a persistent effect

in those two regions
of the ranch.

-PETE: What?
-TRAVIS: We are getting

an anomaly in the
air right now.

You were at 300 feet
and were detecting

-an object.
-PETE: You're kidding?

I don't know why, but I feel

really nervous about this.

We're getting buffeted
from the wind a little bit.

Whoa, whoa.

We're getting our asses kicked.

The helicopter just...
just moved.

Whatever it was,
it was trying to push us off.

BRANDON:
What could that be?

It tends to have a shape to it.

BRANDON:
Oh, my gosh, this is crazy.

THOMAS:
You guys caught
something amazing.

NARRATOR:
There is a ranch
in Northern Utah.

It is considered the epicenter

of the strangest and most
disturbing phenomena on Earth:

animal mutilations,

bizarre UFO sightings

and unusual energies that have
proven harmful to humans.

For 20 years,
the federal government

tried to find answers
and failed.

Now a new team
of dedicated scientists,

researchers and experts
has taken over.

They are determined to solve
the mystery and reveal...

...The Secret
of Skinwalker Ranch.

THOMAS:
Oh, yeah. They're here.

Hey, guys.

TRAVIS:
After our experiments last week

above the triangle
and over the east field,

where we detected anomalies
300 feet in the air

and Brandon's helicopter
was pushed around

by some kind
of invisible force...

Man, you got
a big crew with you.

...we invited the team
from Sky Elements

out to the ranch to see
if they could help us

verify and also identify

just what could be happening
in those two areas.

KALEB:
We got Preston,
Tyler, and the team.

Welcome to the Skinwalker Ranch.

Thanks. Love to be here.

TRAVIS: Now, unfortunately,
Pete Kelsey was afraid

that his lidar scanner may
not have gotten accurate data.

So here we are,
over the east field,

and there's where
I said, you know what,

we've got an anomaly
in this spot again.

PETE:
Be advised,

the vendor looked at this and
went, "Oh, you're ghosting,"

and to cut to the chase,

I don't think this
is 100% conclusive

in either direction.

I-I agree with that.

Something was clearly happening

to the helicopter
in both locations.

So now we're hoping
that Sky Elements

can run a safer and much
more comprehensive scan

over the triangle
and the east field

with their cutting-edge
drone technology

to get us better data
and hopefully some answers.

I was going to ask
how much homework

you guys have done on
this before you said yes.

PRESTON: Very little.

We've flown in a lot of,

you know, complex locations,

so we're looking
forward to it.

Tell 'em, Pete.

I've lost three drones here.

One over the triangle,

where we'll be flying tonight.

ERIK:
It's worth mentioning that

during some of our
helicopter exercises, also,

we've had unusual, um,
air current patterns.

There was a lot of buffeting of
the helicopter during our study

of this anomaly
that we're talking about

in the vicinity of the triangle,

so you might see the drones
struggling to maintain position.

THOMAS:
I don't think we've ever
brought expert on

where their equipment
has operated

the way that it
was designed to operate,

and so if you have

malfunctions, we need to know.

Why don't you tell us
a little bit about Sky Elements

and what you guys do?

So, we take, you know,
100, 200 drones,

or even a thousand drones,
and make a synchronized swarm

to make all kinds of images
or shapes or anything like that.

I brought Kyle and
Tyler out here with me

to help manage everything
and get this going today.

Very cool.

We've been wanting to fly

a pattern of drones,
uh, over certain

anomalies that we have.
We have two specific anomalies.

The east field
and the one at the triangle.

And the first place we want
to start is the triangle.

The idea of the experiment is
to take Sky Elements' drones,

which are typically
used for huge light shows,

and launch them over
the triangle and the east field

to watch their
illuminated formations

against the night sky.

That will make it easy

to see any deviations in
their preprogrammed patterns

and hopefully determine

the exact location
of the anomalies

that we encountered last week,

about 300 feet in the air.

The team from Sky Elements
will fly the illuminated swarm

of 200 drones in
a huge rectangular formation

over both locations,
starting with the triangle.

Erik is going to put GPS
devices on the four drones

placed at each
corner of the swarm.

This will help us monitor
the drones' exact position

above our target areas
during the experiment,

so if anything pushes
the drones out of formation,

or if something even
crazier happens to them,

those GPS trackers
will hopefully help us

pinpoint the location
of any anomalies

and figure out
what they could be.

PETE:
I will be watching you from

the ground with
a terrestrial laser scanner,

so we will have
visual and forensic

point cloud data of your
every move when we're done.

TRAVIS:
So how many drones
did you bring

-with you tonight?
-PRESTON: We brought
200 with us.

200, and we're going to
be able to fly them all at once?

-Absolutely.
-TRAVIS: All right, cool.

In addition to the GPS data

we're recording during
the drone experiment,

Pete Kelsey is going to conduct

expansive ground-based
3D lidar scans

with what's known as
a terrestrial scanner.

It emits infrared laser light

that will create a detailed
map of the target areas,

and at the same time,
can help identify anomalies

that the naked eye
isn't able to see.

One more thing, uh,
once we get out there,

I kind of want to see
what your flight plan is

'cause I... also,
we're going to launch

a couple of rockets tonight,
and I need to make sure

we launch the rockets in
a place where the recovery

and the launch is going
to be completely safe

form-from your flight path.

Absolutely.
Once we get over there,

-I can show you all that.
-All right.

Well, I suggest we get out there

and get all set up.
We're losing daylight.

TRAVIS:
Let's do it.

THOMAS:
The opportunity

to bring drones out here

and put them up in the air

is something I'm really
excited to witness.

We have a big job ahead of us.

I mean, this is a big setup,

and it requires a lot of people
to make it work successfully.

-MAN: All right, ready?
-TRAVIS: We got to start
getting your stuff out

and lets figure out
where you got to be.

THOMAS:
It's going to be interesting
to see if these drones

can keep their position,
and if they don't

start falling out of the sky

like we've seen
with other drones.

TRAVIS:
Which way do they go? Like that?

While we were getting
everything set up

at the triangle
for the drone experiment...

TOM: Okay.

TRAVIS: ...nearby,
ranch manager

Jim Morse, along
with ranch caretakers

Kandus Linde and Tom Lewis...

-Hey.
-How you doing?

TRAVIS:
...were meeting
with Lloyd Arrive,

a DJ at Native
Voltage Rez Radio.

Over the last four years,

we've found that
bizarre things happen

outside the boundaries
of Skinwalker Ranch,

and Brandon Fugal had
recently heard from Lloyd

that he had quite
a story to share

about a place
known as Bottle Hollow.

It's a reservoir about

a mile north of the ranch

where a lot of strange
phenomena

have been reported in the past

by local residents.

KANDUS: So, how long
have you lived out here?

LLOYD: Well, I lived here
when I was a little kid

with my grandpa and grandma.

So you're Ute?

I'm Ute. Yeah. I'm Northern Ute.

I'm Uncompahgre,

-Northern Ute.
-JIM: Okay, fantastic.

So, you understand the genealogy

or the lineage here associated
with the Navajo and the Ute,

and the Navajo cursing
the ground out here and...

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's, uh, just...

You know,
the stories that goes on

with the... with the Natives
or with the Utes around here.

The lore of the skinwalker
really initiated

back in the mid-1800s.

This is when the Navajo
and the Utes

got into...
more than a skirmish.

The Navajos ended up cursing
the Utes with the skinwalker,

a transformation
of a human being

into an animal form.

Some Native Americans
don't talk about it

because they don't want
that curse put on them.

So there's a level,
not only of just respect,

but fear of this lore.

Well, we over there at
the, uh, Skinwalker Ranch

are very respectful.

We're out here as guests,

and so we appreciate

any kind of feedback
that you can give us.

-Yeah.
-So, it's my understanding

that you got some photographs

to show us that you captured
over by Bottle Hollow?

Yes, I did, and, uh,

I created an event

that I set up on Bottle
Hollow and played music

on a Fourth of July weekend.

We were, um, tearing
down the equipment,

and this lady that lives on the
other side of the lake there,

she invited us
to go get some food.

So, we were on our way down,

and we noticed the, uh,
noticed the, uh,

canopy up there.

It was a quick snap.

We noticed that dot, you know,

-on top of it.
-JIM: Oh, wow.

LLOYD:
But it didn't come toward us,

it just went around,

and it headed
towards the Skinwalker.

Wow.

JIM:
Amazing.

And it was up there,

and that's where it hovered.

Went back and forth,

and then finally
it just disappeared.

TOM:
Did it make any sound
that you could hear?

LLOYD:
No, no, no. It's not a plane,

it's not a helicopter,

it's just a...
an object that's up there.

JIM:
That's pretty profound.

We see those

from time to time
over on Skinwalker.

Yeah.

TOM:
I look at this photo

he brings up on his computer

and immediately you can see

this is a UAP of some sort.

And it's very similar
to the one that we saw

right above the cow that died
on the ranch four years ago.

So, connections like this

that we're looking for
in the surrounding community

may help us with
the investigation on the ranch.

So, when you took this
photograph, you were what,

maybe a quarter mile
away from the lake?

-LLOYD: Yeah, yeah.
-From Bottle Hollow?

-Yeah.
-KANDUS: You said
it was Sunday morning.

Was it in the morning?

It was in the afternoon.
It was the afternoon...

-Huh.
-...that-that it was there.

Is there anything else
that you've seen

in this area
around Bottle Hollow?

Yeah.

One night we were
coming up here,

me and my nephew.

His name is Isaac.

And we come up
on, uh, Bottle Hollow.

And we seen a bright light
from the same area

where this was, but it
was in the evening time,

so I was, like,
flashing my car light,

just messing around,
but it flashed back.

Then it turned into, like,

a red, glowing orb.

It was just going so slow.

-It was weird.
-JIM: Yeah, yeah.

TOM:
It's just becoming
more and more clear

and evident that Bottle Hollow

is a unique and special place.

It's very close to the ranch.

There's obviously some sort
of connection to the ranch,

and it deserves more research.

JIM:
Well, Lloyd, I appreciate

that you reached out to us

and wanted to-to share.

KANDUS:
Yeah, because we've
met so many locals,

and some that are willing
to share their stories,

but not so much with the public.

I believe there's a lot
of Natives that are out there

that are willing
to talk with you,

you know, and I can plug that

in to my radio station too,

to have them get in
contact with you guys.

-Okay, that works.
-Yeah.

You know, I can do it,
like, right now.

-KANDUS: Okay.
-TOM: You can do it right now?

Excellent.

TOM:
Lloyd offered to
put out a message

on his radio station,

calling for people to come
forward with their stories,

and that's very valuable.

I'd like to give out, uh,

information to anyone out there

within the reservation

that would like to get in
contact with Skinwalker Ranch.

If you've seen anything
around Bottle Hollow

or any phenomenon
within the basin,

get in contact
and share your stories.

TOM:
People aren't so willing,
right now anyway,

to share their stories
in an official way,

but with Lloyd's help,

that will change.

And thanks for listening

to Native Voltage Rez Radio

90.3 FM.

-Cool.
-Thank you very much.

Thank you, guys.
Thank you very much.

Yeah, thanks,
it's been a pleasure.

It's been a pleasure, Lloyd.

-KANDUS: We'll see you.
-LLOYD: Yes, thank you.

KYLE:
I got to tape our GPS modules,

and then we are going to
do the experiment.

So we're going to go over here

-and get it all done.
-All right, fantastic.

TRAVIS:
Once the sun went down,

we were finally ready
to begin our experiment

at the 300-foot altitude
above the triangle.

As the team from Sky Elements
did their final check

on the 200 drones...

Erik and I finished
securing the GPS devices.

ERIK:
Perfect.

This will be interesting.

And I'll... pretty much

guarantee it's never

-been tried before.
-Oh, I'd agree with that.

TRAVIS:
And Pete Kelsey got his
lidar device ready to begin

scanning the drones
once they were launched.

PETE:
Here we go.

TYLER:
I'm really excited to
see the data we get from that,

I think it's going
to be really cool.

KYLE: Hey, how's it going?

Oh, we're getting there.

We're about ready,
how are y'all doing?

Trying to make sure
everything runs smooth.

For now, everything
looks like it's good to go.

-We are ready to fly.
-ERIK: Fantastic.

Drones armed.

Turning on lights.

Lights are on.

TRAVIS:
All right, we have
drones armed guys.

All right, we're good here.

PRESTON:
Five, four,

three, two, one.

TRAVIS:
Oh, wow.

Look at that.

Look at that.

ERIK: Okay, I'm broadcasting
1.6 gigahertz.

TRAVIS:
Right after
the drones were launched,

Erik started broadcasting the
1.6 gigahertz frequency signal

that we've recorded on the ranch
during our previous experiments.

All right, we'll be back
after we launch the rocket.

-Okay.
-TRAVIS: Let's go.

And then, Thomas and I

headed to a position
just west of the triangle,

so we could get a rocket
ready to launch.

Both of these tools
seem to have

stimulated phenomena
to occur in the past,

so we wanted to see how it
might affect the drone swarm.

TYLER:
They just moved into place.

-Look how tight they are.
-Yep, yep.

PETE:
That looks perfect.

TYLER:
All right, we're ready to roll.

PRESTON:
Show's rolling.

-PETE: They're moving.
-KALEB: Yep.

TREVOR:
Should be just about over
the triangle here, guys.

THOMAS:
Hey, look right here.

-TRAVIS: What we got?
-THOMAS: Hey, look.

We've got drones
that are out of sequence.

TRAVIS: Yeah, we do.
There are several in a line

right down the middle of it!

Hey, Erik?

Yeah, go ahead, Travis.

TRAVIS:
There are several
drones out of line

we can see from our
perspective.

They are clearly out of place.

Yeah, we've got eyes on that.

TRAVIS:
When the 200 drones
were first launched,

their preprogrammed
formation looked perfect.

They were all in a tight,
uniform pattern,

and lit up beautifully.

Where are they?

ERIK:
The pattern is directly

over the triangle
right now, Travis.

KALEB: They're going
right through the anomaly.

TRAVIS:
But then, right
when they reached

the 300-foot spot
above the triangle,

several of them were clearly

diverted out of formation
by something.

PRESTON:
Our drones use very
sophisticated GPS's,

we have a Wi-Fi network,

we have a redundant RF network.

These are precise
positionings that we maintain.

So having those drones
out of position

in that grid pattern was
something very unusual.

Hey, uh, Tyler,
I just lost three drones,

losing four, losing five.

Well, how many drones
do you have connected?

I have 80 disconnected.

Uh-oh, fail safe.

Look at that.

-ERIK: What is this?
-TYLER: They're coming home.

Hey, guys, everybody
stand by close to the grid.

We need to get these guys
unplugged quick.

KYLE:
I've never seen that.

Something happened
because those drones

had to return to
the ground unexpectedly.

So they all landed way sooner
than they were supposed to.

It's nothing that
I can explain.

THOMAS:
Let's head back over there.

TRAVIS:
All right, lets head back.

KYLE: We've only seen those
drones return to home

like that in
extreme temperatures,

when we're working in
the snow or the excess heat,

when those batteries are really
getting pushed to the limit.

But out here on
Skinwalker Ranch,

we only saw about
60 degrees at the lowest,

and it's nothing that
should have happened.

Something interesting
we're seeing.

Um, it appears the batteries are

draining quicker than usual,
than what we usually see.

How much quicker?

TYLER:
I don't know that
I can quantify it,

but I just noticed
that some of them

seem to be decreasing
quicker than usual.

Wow. Well, then maybe
we need to fly quick.

PRESTON:
So Erik warned us
that weird things

happened with the electronics,

and we're very confident
in our systems,

we've done hundreds
of drone shows,

but there is definitely
something going on here

that affects the batteries,
the drone positioning,

all kinds of things that
are just very unusual

and very unexplainable.

So we have a couple of options

for what we can fly next.

We can fly the grid again

and see if we see
the exact same behaviors.

TRAVIS:
Repeatability is really good.

We would do
the exact same thing.

We still got a rocket
ready to go.

Uh, yes, I agree, repeatability.

Given what we've seen
and how unusual it is,

I'd love to see if
it would happen again.

Oh, yeah.

TYLER:
All right, drones are ready.

Let's roll.

Preston, whenever you're ready.

All right.

Oh, there they are.

-I see them.
-There we go.

-THOMAS: Oh, that is cool.
-TRAVIS: Yeah, that is cool.

We are hot.

The rocket is armed
and ready to launch.

Copy you.

THOMAS:
In three, two, one...

Rocket just went, guys.

THOMAS:
Oh, there goes...
Oh, oh, look at them.

Oh, one's fall...
One's falling! One's falling!

[overlapping shouting]

-TRAVIS: Holy cow, look at that!
-THOMAS: There goes another one!

TRAVIS:
They're not coming down.
Are they bringing them down?

KALEB:
Whoa, that one's way... Whoa.

Whoa, what's-what's
going on there?

PRESTON:
I've lost all of them,

almost all of them
disconnected right now.

It's going crazy. Look at it.

Way out. Look at that.

Just as soon as
the swarm of drones

flew over the triangle,
something interfered

with their controls,
and inexplicably

altered their formation,

which Tyler and the team
from Sky Elements

had never experienced
before. Ever.

This is really something...

KALEB:
You can see them moving,

trying to stabilize themselves.

TYLER:
The amount of
variability we saw,

specifically in the front
and middle of that grid,

is not something
we're used to seeing.

We saw almost all
of them disconnect,

which is not something
we've ever seen before.

TRAVIS:
Oh, look, did you see the lines

suddenly straightened out?

I think they're
moving to the south.

Is that what they're doing?

-It's straightened up.
-It's getting better.

TYLER:
30 seconds to landing.

TRAVIS:
Something over the triangle
clearly caused it,

because as soon as the drones

left that area to land,

they immediately
came back online

and reassembled in their
preprogrammed formation.

We could "what if" all night,

but what we have now is data.

We have data that says

there's something weird there.

-Yeah.
-TRAVIS: You know, we've done

so many experiments
trying to just get

a handle on what could
be causing the anomaly.

We've shined
big lasers through it,

we've fired rockets through it,

we've flown around it with lidar

and GPS and all sorts of things,

and every single time
we do something,

we seem to find some effect
on our experimental system.

So, uh, there's no explanation

that really fits unless
it's some magic physics

that we don't understand
that's happening

very localized up there.

For sure.

I'm anxious to fly
similar patterns,

if not exactly the same pattern,

in another interesting
location on the ranch

off to the east,
where we've seen

some very interesting
effects in our surveys.

-Let's do it.
-Yeah, let's...

TRAVIS: After what we saw
happen to the drone swarm
at the triangle,

we couldn't wait to move

about a half a mile over
to the east field

to run the experiment again.

Since we've also detected

aerial anomalies there
in the past,

we were hoping to
get more clues

about what could be causing

all these crazy
phenomena on the ranch.

THOMAS: Where we're
set up right here

is almost exactly
underneath the anomaly

that your photogrammetry showed.

Now when he came out

and did a photogrammetry
scan of this area,

for some reason there were
multiple pictures showing

some type of spire

that went up into the air
several hundred feet.

So there have been
anomalies captured

in two different times here,
a year apart.

One year ago,
using photogrammetry

above the east field,
Pete Kelsey detected

a massive pillar-shaped
anomaly.

Just last week,

when Pete scanned the same area

with a lidar device
from Brandon's helicopter,

we were stunned when
he detected

something nearly
300 feet in the air,

which matched up perfectly

with the top of the pillar.

ERIK:
I say we get
these things in the air.

-Yeah, great.
-Let's get it going.

All right.

Let's hook the ignitor up.

TYLER:
30 seconds to takeoff.

30 seconds, guys!

TYLER:
Ten seconds to lift.

PETE:
Oh, [bleep].

TYLER:
Had one go early.

Yeah, I was going to say.
What the...

MAN:
I've never seen that.

What...

[overlapping chatter]

TRAVIS:
Inexplicably,

before Preston
launched the drone swarm,

one just took off on its own,

and ascended to
its preprogrammed position.

KYLE:
I've never seen that, GPS is on.

TRAVIS: Stay with it.

PRESTON:
Remainder of takeoff.

TRAVIS:
Hey, hey, here we go.

KALEB:
They had one go early, Travis.

TRAVIS:
I saw that.

It's up there
flying around by itself,

-ain't it?
-KALEB: Yep.

TRAVIS:
One of them's acting...

Oh, look it flew up to it.

Hey, we got holes.

Yeah, we got... How many?

Once the swarm
launched and joined

the one that went rogue,
almost immediately,

several of them went offline

and fell out of formation.

Four, I think there's
four missing. Five.

It made me think it could
be connected to the anomaly

that we've repeatedly
detected there.

So, I wanted to see
if we could stimulate

some hard evidence to prove it.

Rocket's going hot.
Everybody clear the rocket.

Armed.

Ignition in five,

four,

three, two, one.

MAN:
Rocket's going.

TRAVIS:
Where's the chute?
There it goes, there we go.

THOMAS:
I mean that's a pretty nice,
tight formation right there.

TYLER:
It's a lot tighter than we were
seeing in the other location.

TRAVIS:
Yeah, yeah, near the triangle.

It wasn't like that.

Oh, you can start to see
some wiggle in the middle.

TYLER:
Yeah, right in the middle.

TRAVIS:
Yeah, look in the middle.

Look in the middle, guys.
The drones are kind of

wiggling around.
There's no wind at all.

All right, as you come this way,

look, the ones in the middle
got stable again.

So, when we were
right over there,

there was some instability.

That's right where you were
at in the helicopter, right?

Yeah, you're exactly right.

THOMAS: The closer
that these drones flew

to this anomaly up in the air,

the more interference
they were experiencing,

the harder time they had
staying in their pattern.

It'll be interesting to see
what kind of data

we get from Erik
and his GPS sensors,

from Pete and his
terrestrial scanner,

as well as the data
from Pete's drone up above.

KALEB:
We got something right there.

TRAVIS:
Right where, right where?

Right...
Right where my light's at.

TRAVIS:
Yeah, it is.
That's it right there.

KALEB:
Travis.

This just changed direction!

TRAVIS:
What is it?

TRAVIS: There it is,
there it is right there.

There's a thing

hovering over the launch site.

ERIK:
Wow.

TRAVIS: Right there.

KALEB: That's crazy.

TRAVIS:
It just disappeared.

It went up into the cloud.

PRESTON:
They're coming back.

TYLER:
Yeah, they're moving down now.

TRAVIS:
One of the brightest UAPs

I've ever seen on
the ranch appeared

and moved slowly across the sky

for several seconds,

but then it just vanished.

-It was bright.
-It was really bright.

So where... did it disappear?

TRAVIS: It came from the west

and then it looked like

it was below the cloud.

And it disappeared.

Hey, guys, what do
we have going on?

Y'all didn't happen to see
the thing overhead

just a few minutes ago, did you?

-I actually did, yeah.
-TRAVIS: You saw it?

-Yeah.
-We saw it, yeah.

We both saw it.
It was really bright,

It was actually really low.
It didn't really add up.

It was like below the clouds.

-TYLER: I agree.
-Yeah.

And then it looked like
it went into the cloud

and then it never came out
the other side.

TRAVIS:
And it never came out.

I've got a question for you.

You described something

unusual that happened.

Can you go through that again?

We've never seen it where

we can see that all
the drones are connected,

but we can't communicate with
them in some form or fashion.

KYLE:
What was also very interesting

was on this last flight,
we had one drone

start right before
all the others,

and we've never seen that.

They all go together.
They all have

the same signal.

Well, that one drone
that took off

was actually in the center
of that region

of the drones that
didn't want to connect.

PRESTON:
Sky Elements has done shows

all over the country,
we've done hundreds of shows.

I've sent up
thousands of drones,

and there's issues we've seen

this evening that
have been things

we've never seen before.

THOMAS:
Every single expert

that we have brought on,
uh, I think the ranch

has a perfect record of them

seeing something they've
never seen before, so...

I think this experiment
was one of

the best things we've done

with precision,
with so many data points.

PETE:
You know how anxious I am

to go pull the data off

-that laser scanner.
-Yeah.

TRAVIS:
Between Erik's
surveillance cameras

and Pete's scanning devices,

I can't wait
to see what comes out

in the data
once it's all processed.

Hopefully, we'll have
more visual evidence

of whatever we saw in the sky,

and be able to identify
just what it was.

Well, guys, I think
this was amazing.

And, uh, we've got a lot
of data to, kind of,

absorb and-and analyze
and think about,

but I appreciate it.

I can't wait for you
to pull the data off,

but I say it's getting late.

Let's call it a night.

Great job, guys.

-All right.
-Thanks a lot.
-[overlapping chatter]

KYLE: Thank you,
thanks for having us.

ERIK: We've got Pete Kelsey
cued up for a video conference.

He's got a huge amount
of data to share with us

from the drone experiments

that we've done out
in the east field

and the triangle.

So, I think we should
just jump right in.

-Awesome.
-Love to see it.

TRAVIS:
Eric and I spent
a couple of days

after the drone experiment

reviewing our surveillance
footage of the UAP.

-Hey, Pete.
-Hey, guys.

So we were eager to
compare it to Pete's data

that he collected with
the terrestrial lidar scanner.

ERIK:
I would like to release

the screen to you
and see what you've got.

PETE:
There we go, east field.

You can see the mesa
here in the background.

-What is that?
-That's got to be
the rocket right there.

No, no, I'm talking about

-right there.
-Oh.

That is way over there.

That rocket never went...
That's-that's...

That's a mile away.

We were shooting the rocket
down right here, right?

TRAVIS:
So what on earth is that?

ERIK:
Exactly.

That's my question.

I want to know what in the heck

it is that's
showing up out there

on the very edge of what
that instrument can measure?

KALEB:
That's in the exact same spot
where we saw the UAP come in.

TRAVIS:
Yeah, and that dot
up there, to me,

seems a little bit
unexplainable,

and is at about
the right altitude

of the... of the thing
that we saw in the sky.

We were amazed by the 3D map

of the east field and the mesa

that Pete's terrestrial
lidar scanner

produced during
the drone experiment

because it also appeared
to capture the UAP

we saw off in the distance
after the rocket was launched.

We really wanted to verify

if that's what it was.

All right, so I think
we need to look

at the footage of

the ball in the sky,

and see if it kind of fits
in the same location

as to what this anomaly
is here in the lidar data.

Yeah, let me bring that up.

So, there's the object.

So, tell me how this differs

from what you saw
with your own eyes.

It was a lot brighter
when we were

looking at it in real time.

-Very bright.
-Very bright.

TRAVIS:
And it came down, and...

and it, kind of, was going,

I'm going to say really slow.

And then it turned
and went straight up

into the clouds and was gone.

Well, I took a shot of it
with my cell phone,

-right?
-ERIK: Okay.

And so then, from that,

I did a 3D model of what
the image looked like.

-And I have that.
-Okay.

I have what you put together.

-Okay.
-I'll bring that up.

TRAVIS:
So, now, if you notice,

it clearly looks
like it's two halves.

And looking at it,
it looks like it actually

-has an indention, doesn't it?
-Mm-hmm.

TRAVIS:
There's some dark spot to it.

From modeling that,
I've put this together.

And, uh, this is kind of my
idea of what it looks like.

There's dark spots on the end,

and it's like a dumbbell,
sort of.

And it's interesting,
it looks a lot like

one of the UFOs
that an F-18 pilot

captured with a cell phone that
they showed at the

House Permanent Select Committee
On Intelligence meeting

back a few months ago.

I was really struck by this UAP

that we saw on the ranch,
because when I was

the chief scientist for
the federal government's

UAP task force
between 2020 and 2022,

I reviewed a photograph
of something very similar

that was taken by
an American naval pilot

off the coast
of Virginia in 2019.

As a scientist,
it was really compelling

to see two possible
examples of a similar,

if not the same,
aerial phenomena.

It's not a focus error,

it's not bokeh effect,

this is actually
what it looked like,

and we saw it with our own eyes.

That's what this
thing looked like.

ERIK:
So you got a sense
that this is nuts and bolts.

TRAVIS:
I... I believe this
might be a nuts and bolts

aircraft, and it was flying.

THOMAS:
You know, that UAP

or UFO that we saw the night
of the telescope last year

was the closest, brightest

object that I have seen

in my time here on the ranch...

until we saw this one.

Okay, this one was much lower,

I think it was much
brighter and bigger.

And this one looks
just like that one

from the telescope night.

That whole night
was just so strange.

TRAVIS: Kaleb and Thomas
were exactly right.

DAVID:
This scope is pretty dead.

I aimed it manually
in the anomaly area,

and then the camera
wasn't working.

TRAVIS:
Last year, while we were
trying to look

through the triangle anomaly
with high-powered telescopes,

they malfunctioned just
like the drone swarm did.

What the hell
is that in the sky?

And then, suddenly
we saw an eerily

similar UAP maneuver
over the ranch.

There's no red or green
or white lights on it.

THOMAS:
It doesn't look like
it's that far away either.

TRAVIS:
It's going right under Jupiter.

DAVID:
And it's almost
as big as Jupiter.

TRAVIS:
And it's bright.
That ain't an airplane.

DAVID:
It's getting dim.

THOMAS:
It just disappeared.

I've got some data from the
east field exercise to share.

So, we put GPS sensors on

four of the drones
in that swarm.

Obviously not on
all 200 of them.

I can throw it up on the screen

-if that would help.
-TRAVIS: Yeah.

ERIK: So, this is
the sum total of the data

that we got off
all four of those drones.

And you are seeing
all of the maneuvers

that those four individual
drones underwent

during the whole exercise.

You know, I'm looking at

perfectly well-behaved formation

in the east field exercise.

It looks exactly like what
I would have expected to see.

TRAVIS:
Yep, yep.

ERIK:
Okay, I think
what we ought to do

is go over to the other
part of the exercise

at the triangle.

I can't wait
to get eyes on that.

ERIK:
Okay, so here...

TRAVIS:
Oh, wow.

Whatever that is,
it looks crazy as hell.

'Cause I don't remember it
ever looking like that.

Erik's GPS devices
were on the four corners

of the drone swarm.

So the data should
have appeared just like

it did over the east field.

All intact
and in one large cube.

But instead, it was
scattered all around

into a shape that
looked nothing like

what we saw during
the actual experiment.

So, once again,
something at the triangle

completely distorted
our GPS data.

ERIK:
So there's a lot
to discuss here.

One of the really

puzzling features of this

is what happens when
you look beneath the ground.

TRAVIS:
Whoa. It looks like some of them

-are inside the mesa.
-ERIK: Yep.

Look how many of them
are under the surface.

PETE:
Whoa, whoa,

whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

-It looks like a tornado.
-KALEB: Right.

I don't recall any
of the drones doing this.

KALEB:
No.

If I remember right, all these

GPS's were on the corners.

-ERIK: Mm-hmm.
-KALEB: So how's that
in the middle?

Turn that up
again sideways, Erik.

Uh, so we can see
that tornado-looking shape.

Sure thing. You want to focus on

-this feature here?
-Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

TRAVIS:
Look right there.

If I was going to draw
a wormhole two-dimensionally,

that's what it looks like.

It's two funnels connected
at the throats of the funnel.

I'm just saying,

something to think about.

KALEB:
What more proof do we need

that there's something
going on out here?

-TRAVIS: It's true.
-BRYANT: Obviously,

there is something
above the triangle

that we've identified
with multiple experiments

that absolutely
has its way with the GPS.

ERIK:
This raises a lot of questions.

I don't feel like

I'm nearly done
with this data yet.

No, and I'm not comfortable with
whatever it means yet either.

There's something else
going on here.

Pete's got a bunch of data
that he collected

during the exercise.

So, Pete, what have you got?
Your, uh,

terrestrial scanner...
What else do you have here?

All right, guys, what
I'm going to bring up now

is the data from
the terrestrial laser scanner.

TRAVIS:
After seeing Erik's
bizarre GPS data,

I couldn't wait to see
Pete Kelsey's terrestrial

lidar scanner data

since it created
a 3D map of both

areas where we conducted
the drone experiments.

The hope was that it would
give us some possible clues

as to what caused the phenomena.

PETE: So this is the data

from the first slide
we did at the triangle.

You can see the mesa here
in the background.

I'll just cut to the chase.

The one part

that's strange,

is right there.

ERIK:
What is going on there?

TRAVIS:
Is that a shadow?

If I give you
a straight-down view...

So, there's a gap in the data.

Where is the data?

And you can see it all

sitting off to the side there.

PETE:
It's back here.

I've never seen that before.

TRAVIS:
How far away is that?

PETE:
Well beyond the range
of the scanner.

So, I overlaid

the data

here in Google Earth,

and what I thought
was really interesting...

is the line,

almost spot-on,

points right at
the top of the mesa.

Oh, wow.

TRAVIS:
That's hard to believe.

Look at that.

It's pointing right towards

the area where we drilled

into that dome-shaped,
metal object last year.

That's very interesting.

The results of our experiment

two days ago at the triangle

have just gotten
even more bizarre.

According to Pete Kelsey's
computer model

of his lidar scans,

a huge chunk of
the data is showing up

over the mesa,
right where we drilled

into a 400-foot-long

dome-shaped metal
object last year.

And not only that,
but a metal object

made of materials that NASA uses

on its own spacecraft.

I guess the question
that remains

is what kind of phenomena

could spoof

your lidar system like that

to make it push the data way off

to make it think
it's further than it is

and remove some of it?

Have you ever seen that before?

PETE:
No.

I can't explain it.

TRAVIS: Why do we keep
getting GPS data

that is inside the mesa
and underneath the ground?

This is an area where GPS

has been spoofed
how many different times?

TRAVIS:
Yeah.

I think we've
about seen everything.

That is a lot of data to digest.

Guys, I got to tell you, this
is some of the best evidence

that we've been able to capture.

And it just goes to show,

we've got more work to do
in both these places.

A hundred percent
agree with that.

I'm really curious
to hear from you two

as to what the next steps

are going to be.

TRAVIS:
Every time we get these UAPs

on video, we get a few seconds.

What if we had
a high-speed camera

so those few seconds might be

millions of frames
or thousands of frames,

-or at least hundreds of frames?
-Yeah.

TRAVIS:
Through my old
government contacts

with the UAP Task Force,

I'm aware of camera systems

that could photograph
the triangle area

in a much more comprehensive way

to let us get the best look
possible at aerial phenomena.

It just might
eliminate guesswork,

and help us identify
these UAPs or UFOs,

if that's really what they are.

Also, we've got a lot
of work to do

-inside the mesa.
-BRYANT: Right.

ERIK:
I definitely got unfinished

-business out there.
-TRAVIS: I agree.

You can't look at
the data we saw tonight

and think that we're
done with that, right?

-Right.
-KALEB: Yeah.

TRAVIS:
We just got to figure out
what to do next.

ERIK:
I would like to do some

ground-penetrating radar

to see if we can
get any insights

beneath that area.

-TRAVIS: Yeah.
-THOMAS: Absolutely.

TRAVIS:
Drilling has helped us
to approximate

where this mysterious metal
object in the mesa is buried,

but Erik is right.

Using ground-penetrating radar

will help us better define
this anomaly's dimensions.

Then we can figure out
how to reveal

just what the heck it really is.

I'm excited, I think
we've got more hard data...

We've got as much hard data

right now, I think,
as, uh, even when

I was with the UAP task force,
the things we saw.

-ERIK: Wow.
-TRAVIS: I think
this is amazing.

ERIK:
I'm ready to wrap it up,

-unless you guys...
-TRAVIS: Yeah, lets wrap it up.

-Great stuff.
-About all I can handle.

Pete, thank you for joining us.

Yeah, my pleasure.

-See you later, Pete.
-Take care.

Erik, this is
awesome stuff, man.

TRAVIS:
This spot on the mesa

is turning out
to be very interesting.

It's compelling evidence
of something unusual.

This is clearly
a spot of interest.

We've got to get
into the mesa somehow

and find out what this is.

ERIK: We are here
to be led by the data.

We observe, we measure,
and then our course is chosen

based upon the data in hand.

This approach has yielded

some really powerful
insights so far,

some unexpected results,

things I never anticipated.

And this is how
we're going to continue

as we conduct this
investigation on the ranch.

BRANDON: These experiments
continue to give us data,

data helping us understand
the nature of the phenomena.

There is something tied
to both the airspace

above Skinwalker Ranch

and also that
which may lie below.

Our future investigation
will undoubtedly

delve into these topics.

More than ever before.

The deeper we can see

into that mesa,
the more we're going to

understand what it is
we're messing with out here.

JAN:
Let's hope the GPS works.

This is highly anomalous.

Whatever this is
is as tall as the mesa.

TRAVIS: We should be
digging right there.

Oh, we got a malfunction.

Everybody watch out.

There's something in
the sky above the rocket.

We may be looking at the anomaly
for the first time, guys.

We have a helicopter
right over the triangle.

He's doing surveillance
right now.