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-I got a headache bro.
-Uh, his head
is starting to hurt.
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THOMAS:
Here, jump in here real quick.
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We may have to get you
off the ranch.
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The fact that something
would be interfering
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points to malevolent intent.
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In our tradition,
if you see something,
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you don't talk about it.
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-TRAVIS: Hey, Look!
UAP right there.
-GARY: Yup.
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So we have a region
in altitude that tells us
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there is some kind on phenomenon
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taking place right here
over the triangle.
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NARRATOR:
There is a ranch
in Northern Utah.
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It is considered the epicenter
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of the strangest and most
disturbing phenomena on Earth:
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animal mutilations,
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bizarre UFO sightings
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and unusual energies that have
proven harmful to humans.
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For 20 years,
the federal government
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tried to find answers
and failed.
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Now a new team
of dedicated scientists,
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researchers and experts
has taken over.
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They are determined to solve
the mystery and reveal...
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...The Secret
of Skinwalker Ranch.
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TRAVIS:
I don't know if it's
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the things we're doing
that's stimulating these things
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like launching rockets.
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But there seems to be
something happening that is
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jamming, hacking, spoofing us.
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TRAVIS:
We've recently conducted
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two new experiments at
the triangle and have gotten
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more confirmation
that something strange
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is happening about
a mile above that area.
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CAMERON:
Three, two, one, bottle drop.
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TRAVIS:
First, we dropped GPS units
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from Brandon's helicopter
down through it.
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TRAVIS:
Holy cow. Look at that.
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So we threw it out right there
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and then, look, it goes upwind.
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But something we couldn't see
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seemed to deflect
our instruments
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away from the spot.
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The rocket is going hot.
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Then, we launched rockets
up there with a team
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of former military experts
who brought a specialized
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tracking system
for studying UAP.
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-Hey look, UAP right there.
-GARY: Yep. I see it.
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TRAVIS:
We did stimulate something
to appear in the sky,
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but the tracking system
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mysteriously shut down
over and over...
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You got to be kidding me.
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...preventing us
from getting any data.
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Everything just went off-line.
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We need to find a way
to collect data in that zone
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for a sustained period of time
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to figure out just what's
causing these strange events
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that keep happening
on Skinwalker Ranch.
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Well, you know,
these rockets are great
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and we're seeing this data.
The problem with them is
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they go up so fast
and come down so fast,
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I don't feel like you guys are
really getting a lot of data.
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A typical flight trajectory is,
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even with a very
big chute on them,
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is less than 20 or 30 seconds.
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-Yeah.
-So, it would be
nice to linger there
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like with a fixed-wing aircraft
that we could just keep fly--
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orbiting over the spot,
or something.
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You know, where we just make
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a push broom-type of pattern
at various altitudes.
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TRAVIS:
You could do that with, like,
a Cessna or something like that
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and you could put
plenty of instruments in it.
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They could go about a hundred
miles an hour, or slower,
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and just push broom back
and forth over the ranch.
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And then you could
go up in altitude
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and do it again
and keep doing it.
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We could get a complete 3D map
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of GPS, gamma rays, radio,
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whatever we wanted
to do like that.
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Well, we've talked about this
for a while, I say we do it.
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-Right.
-TRAVIS: I'll bet you
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that Cameron knows somebody,
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that's got a plane that would
do this, that would help us out.
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Okay, should we go do it?
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We need to reach out to Cameron
to see if he can help us out.
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BRYANT:
Sounds good.
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TRAVIS:
Thanks, Erik.
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TOM: Right up here is where
the petroglyph is.
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KANDUS:
Okay.
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TRAVIS:
While we were preparing
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for the experiment
above the triangle,
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Tom Lewis
and Kandus Linde went to
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nearby McConkie Ranch
to meet with a respected
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Navajo Nation's member
named Jon Dover.
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I think he said he was
going to meet us
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-just at the trailhead up here.
-JON: Hello!
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-I'm up here.
-TOM: Jon.
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Hello.
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Come on up.
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Let's head on up.
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TRAVIS:
Now, we want
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any information that can
help us with our investigation
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and the Indigenous people
in this region
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have a long history with
all kinds of strange phenomenon.
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-KANDUS: You're good?
-TOM: Oh, yeah.
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TOM: Just recently,
we met with Corey Serawop
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who shared a story with us
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about his experience
in the Uinta Basin.
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One thing he brought up was
that we should visit
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McConkie Ranch and check out
the petroglyphs there.
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This is amazing.
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KANDUS:
Wow, yeah.
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TOM:
Jon Dover has
a deep understanding
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of the petroglyphs
and pictographs that are up
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on the walls at McConkie Ranch.
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And so, Kandus and I
are very interested
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to hear what Jon has to say.
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-Ah, there you are. Hi.
-JON: Hey, there.
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-Glad you made it.
-Thanks so much for having us.
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-Kandus.
-Jon.
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Jon, nice to meet you.
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-And I'm Tom.
-Hi, Tom.
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JON:
My name is Jonathan Dover.
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I spent 27 years
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as a, uh, archeological
resource investigator
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with the Navajo Nation Rangers.
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KANDUS:
Oh, wow.
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Yeah, this place is amazing.
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JON:
This is one place
of a whole bunch of places
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that have petroglyphs
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that were put on these rocks
a thousand years ago
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or even earlier than that.
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Mm-hmm.
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JON:
The ancient people
that populated
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this place and some of the other
places around here show
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that the natives back then
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were seeing unusual
things happening
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and were recording them, too.
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There's a lot of information
that's put on these rocks
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and they are put on
in successive "timescape."
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Everybody that came through
would add something to it.
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They're a record and...
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unusual things would be
documented on them.
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They could depict clans,
they could depict Gods,
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they could even
depict maps of the area.
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Yeah, we have a few small panels
at the ranch and we're really
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trying to tie anything together
that's in this region
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to the ranch,
to see if there's
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connections or anything
that we could draw
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lines to.
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We'll definitely see
some connections here.
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KANDUS:
Excellent.
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If we go further down here,
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we're going to take
a look at one of them.
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-TOM: Great.
-Show us the way.
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Wow.
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Here is the most interesting
one that I've found so far,
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is this spiral right here.
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The spiral seems
to be universal.
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All through
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the United States,
through the Southwest,
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in Europe, in Africa.
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Some archeologists
tell me that this spiral
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could refer to
some kind of a portal.
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-A portal?
-JON: Yeah, a portal.
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Okay.
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JON:
And, uh, we think
that there's something
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called infrasound.
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Which is different
frequencies of sound
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that you can't detect them
with human hearing.
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And we believe that
it's very possible
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that these different frequencies
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can open portals
to other places.
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TRAVIS:
For two years now,
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all over Skinwalker Ranch
we've seen this strange signal
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with an RF frequency
of 1.6 gigahertz.
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BRYANT:
We've got liftoff.
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TRAVIS:
Oh, my God, during launch
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the electromagnetic
spectrum is going
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crazy, guys-- I've never
seen anything like it.
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No technology that we know of
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uses this specific
1.6 gigahertz frequency,
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but we often see it
when people have
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physiological
episodes on the ranch,
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and also, when we've seen UAPs.
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Now, the idea that UAP
and strange frequencies
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are somehow connected to
a phenomenon like a portal,
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is very interesting,
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especially since many
of the Indigenous people
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in this area truly believe
that connection exists.
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You're saying this is a portal?
Or could be a portal?
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This very much
could be a portal.
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The significance of portals
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or dimensional gates,
if you would...
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Mm-hmm.
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...is that
the Navajos themselves
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talk about a people
coming to visit.
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Different dimensions
are not like walls.
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If you can imagine...
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...they're interlaced together.
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So,
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what if every now and then
something just leaks through?
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-Mm-hmm.
-You could travel,
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-we just don't know
how to do it.
-Yeah.
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Even the Navajo creation story
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talks about coming through
several different worlds
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until they see a hole in the sky
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and they climb up
into this world.
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We think that there's something
going on with frequency...
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...that is creating this effect.
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Wow.
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There's a lot more
we need to look at up here.
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-All right.
-So, we'll move along here.
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TOM:
As we were looking at
this spiral petroglyph
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described as a portal,
Kandus and I realized
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there is some sort
of connection here
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with what's happening
on the ranch
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and possibly at the triangle.
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We've heard a lot of
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very interesting stories
about seeing portals
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that opened right
above people's heads
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and figures coming out
of these portals.
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-It's amazing.
-JON: Yeah.
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KANDUS:
Oh, yeah. I see it.
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-TOM: Oh, and that's
like a human...
-KANDUS: It's another figure.
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One thing I've just
thought about is, you know,
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just on this rock wall
right here,
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and it is speculation
and inference...
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-Right.
-TOM: But...
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we could have
a skinwalker shape-shifter.
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We could have...
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-aliens.
-Somebody coming through
another dimension.
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-Through other dimensions.
-JON: Right.
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The idea of Navajo skinwalkers,
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gods coming from the sky,
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even UFOs,
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all had one thing in common
and that's this idea
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of dimensions and portals,
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and it's the one thing
that ties everything together.
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With the spirals
back here that you were
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talking about could be
indicative of-of a portal,
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it could be that
it was right here
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or maybe off in the distance?
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What do you think?
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It-it could be a whole
range of things.
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We've actually
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had stories involving
UAPs that have
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entered into mesas...
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...and just gone
right into the rock.
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This idea of portals,
of dimensions,
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it all ties together, and that's
what we're seeing with a lot
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of these places and I think
that's what you're
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experiencing
in the Uinta Basin there.
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A lot of phenomenon
that's associated
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with cross-dimensional
things going on.
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KANDUS:
Wow. We'd really love
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to have you come to the ranch
and look at a few things.
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Based on what
you've told us today
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and your interpretation
of these panels,
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I think there's a good
chance that the same
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people that were here
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could've very well been
on our ranch at one point.
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I think we'd both benefit
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from you coming to the ranch
and giving your insight to
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-what we've seen there.
-TOM: We have some
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very interesting things
right on the Skinwalker Ranch.
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It might be things you've
never seen before, so...
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-I'd love to come over there.
-KANDUS: Great.
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TOM:
Lead the way.
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TRAVIS: I think we should
stop right here.
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Because of what happened
last year with the sensors
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on Brandon's helicopter
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detecting an object
right below us,
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and also, what happened
just two weeks ago
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when we dropped GPS units
into the triangle anomaly
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which appeared
to just bounce off
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of an invisible object
in the sky above the ranch...
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-Hey, Kendra, how are you?
-Hey.
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TRAVIS: ...we really
wanted to go further
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with attempting
to map that anomaly.
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So, to conduct
today's experiment
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above the triangle area,
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Cameron Fugal put us in touch
with a pilot named Kendra Hart
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who's agreed to take
Erik up in her Cessna
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to help us collect our data.
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Since you fly out here, have
you flown over the property?
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The ranch itself?
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I have not.
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Most of my students
stay further west and so,
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this will be my first time
this far out east
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and especially
over the ranch, so...
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-ERIK: Really?
-Yeah, it will be my first time.
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-ERIK: First time?
-First time.
-TRAVIS: So...
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What we want to do is fly
from here over to the ranch.
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When you get there,
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we would like for you
to do a grid pattern,
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at, uh, five
different altitudes.
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Erik will show you
the points of interest,
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but there's a triangle right
in the middle of the property
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and directly above that,
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between, say,
2,500 and 5,000 feet,
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we've seen some weird things.
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-KENDRA: Okay.
-And, so we're hoping to get
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some instrumentation
in that area
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and see if we can figure out
what those weird things are.
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-Awesome.
-TRAVIS: One thing that,
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uh, not to scare you,
but occasionally,
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when people are
on the ranch and even
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above the ranch have
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sort of a physiological
response to being there.
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If you start feeling
anything at any point,
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you know, you're the pilot,
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if it's time to
abort the mission
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'cause you got a weird feeling,
then you abort the mission.
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-All right?
-Mm-hmm.
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Well, we've got some work
to do to get ready to go
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and you may have
some flight prep
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-or something.
-Absolutely.
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So, we'll be maybe in
and out of the cargo area
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-for the next couple minutes
and then we'll be ready to go.
-Okay.
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-Let's get it done.
-TRAVIS: All right, Erik,
let's grab everything.
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ERIK:
I'll be going up in
the Cessna aircraft today
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with some GPS trackers
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and a data-logging
radiation meter,
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our standard equipment set
including our spectrum analyzer,
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Geiger counter
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and other local equipment
to observe whether
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there are any GPS anomalies
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up near the 5,000-foot point
over the triangle.
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TRAVIS:
All right.
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I'm gonna close it up and
then go put it in the plane.
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Sounds good.
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TRAVIS:
Today, the plan is to fly
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the Cessna in a sequential push
broom pattern over the ranch
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sweeping back and forth
over the triangle
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at various altitudes.
At the same time,
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using the GPS sensors
to collect data
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that we hope will give us
a three-dimensional model
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of the anomaly
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that we believe is up there
somewhere between
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3,000 and 5,000 feet
above the ground.
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-What do you got there?
-This is your headset.
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-ERIK: Got it.
-Okay, and then,
this is the radio
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that we are using
for the radio source.
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ERIK:
For this experiment,
we're also making use of
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a new avionic comm system,
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making it easier
for us to directly
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communicate from
the aircraft to the ground.
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I'm gonna head back
over to the ranch.
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You guys get in the air.
We're burning daylight, right?
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-See you.
-All right, see you in a bit.
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ERIK:
While I'm in the plane
above the ranch,
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the rest of the team
will be monitoring from below.
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I'm really excited
to see what happens
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during the course
of the experiment.
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THOMAS:
I've got these antennas running.
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-This is going out
to the two jaggies.
-Okay.
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Once she gets over here,
we should, uh,
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see her start tracking on there.
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THOMAS:
Okay.
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We're going to monitor
this experiment
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with a couple of
different systems.
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First, we have an ADSB.
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Now, that identifies
all the air traffic flying
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in the vicinity of the ranch
and shows them on a map.
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We've also mounted
two antennas
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on the deck
of the command center.
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Those are pointed
at the triangle
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to track the signals being
broadcast from Kendra's plane
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as well as scan
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for any dangerous
energy spikes
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like we've detected
there in the past.
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All right, great.
Ah, let me get this going.
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There it is, got it.
All right, both are...
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Both antennas and radios
are functioning properly.
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00:16:17,827 --> 00:16:19,206
Hey, Kaleb.
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This is the command center,
do you copy?
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Go ahead.
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Start keeping an eye out,
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probably five to ten minutes
before we see them.
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00:16:27,137 --> 00:16:30,206
10-4. You guys will be
the first to know.
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This may be them right here
'cause this looks like...
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would this be
Roosevelt right here?
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No. So, Roosevelt Airport
is about right here.
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Oh, then why are we not seeing
their ADSB take off?
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I don't understand that.
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THOMAS:
We're not getting them.
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TRAVIS:
So, we need to make sure that
their, uh, ADSB is transponding.
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Even though the Cessna
was approaching the ranch,
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it never showed up
on the ADSB system.
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All the other air traffic
in the area appeared on the map,
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and I could see
with our antenna set up
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that she was still broadcasting.
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00:17:21,724 --> 00:17:23,793
What could cause
Kendra's plane
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not to show up
on the ADSB like that?
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00:17:25,758 --> 00:17:27,310
It makes no sense.
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00:17:27,413 --> 00:17:29,517
-Why are we not...
-We're not picking them up.
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00:17:38,206 --> 00:17:39,517
Here.
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00:17:40,482 --> 00:17:43,034
Hey, Erik, this is Travis,
do you copy?
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We-we are not
seeing you on the ADSB.
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00:17:52,517 --> 00:17:54,965
I wonder if Kaleb's
gotten eyes on them.
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00:17:55,068 --> 00:17:56,724
Yeah, call Kaleb and ask him.
401
00:18:00,068 --> 00:18:01,413
Go ahead.
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00:18:01,517 --> 00:18:03,689
Have you gotten eyes
on the plane yet?
403
00:18:03,793 --> 00:18:05,724
10-4.
404
00:18:05,827 --> 00:18:08,586
It's, uh, going over
the property now.
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00:18:20,137 --> 00:18:22,068
THOMAS:
What the heck
is going on up there?
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00:18:29,241 --> 00:18:32,896
So... why are we not
picking her up?
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00:18:34,034 --> 00:18:35,655
Hey, Erik, it's Bryant.
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00:18:35,758 --> 00:18:39,827
We are still not picking you up
on the flight tracker.
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00:18:39,931 --> 00:18:44,137
Do you have any other traffic
on the display right now?
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00:18:44,241 --> 00:18:45,965
-Tell him yes.
-Yes, we do.
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00:18:46,068 --> 00:18:48,482
We are seeing all sorts
of air traffic.
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But she's broadcasting
on the ADSB.
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00:18:52,724 --> 00:18:54,241
I'm watching her.
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00:18:54,344 --> 00:18:56,137
This is her, right here
with both antennas.
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00:18:56,241 --> 00:18:57,689
She's broadcasting...
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-Yeah, I can see that.
-TRAVIS: ...the signal.
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THOMAS:
I mean, this is picking up
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planes that are
a hundred miles away
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-and 30,000 feet up.
-TRAVIS: That doesn't...
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That doesn't make any sense.
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I had antennas that were
tuned to that frequency,
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and I could pick up the signal
coming from the airplane,
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00:19:14,965 --> 00:19:15,965
but for some reason
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her system isn't working.
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00:19:18,482 --> 00:19:20,862
This is what's so weird
about the ranch.
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00:19:20,965 --> 00:19:23,034
One thing we do know is,
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uh, her system does record
the ADSB data,
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and even though
we will get a text file
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that we can reinterpret after
the flight, but I wanted it now.
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TRAVIS:
It wasn't ideal,
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00:19:37,137 --> 00:19:40,310
but we knew that Erik
was collecting GPS data
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and Kendra was recording
the ADSB data.
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We hoped that would be enough to
salvage some of this experiment.
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So should I still
keep going over or...?
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ERIK:
Oh, yeah.
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Over the middle of the triangle.
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00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:01,275
-All right.
-THOMAS: Got it.
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00:20:01,379 --> 00:20:03,655
Wait, is that-- There they are.
Right there, look.
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00:20:03,758 --> 00:20:05,275
Thomas, in the middle.
Look in the middle.
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00:20:05,379 --> 00:20:06,620
-Look way up there.
-Okay, yup.
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00:20:06,724 --> 00:20:07,689
TRAVIS:
There they are, right there.
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00:20:07,793 --> 00:20:09,896
November 8-4-7-1-7,
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00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,413
could you tell us your
pressure altitude, please?
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TRAVIS:
So, that's...
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00:20:17,448 --> 00:20:19,275
Going up to 4,000 feet
above ground level.
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00:20:19,379 --> 00:20:20,620
Gosh, she's moving fast.
447
00:20:22,034 --> 00:20:24,206
Thomas, I got them
coming in eastbound
448
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:25,724
over the triangle again.
449
00:20:26,827 --> 00:20:28,551
TRAVIS:
While Erik and Kendra
were continuing
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00:20:28,655 --> 00:20:30,551
their pattern sweep
above the triangle,
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all we could do back
in the command center
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was just hope that they were
getting data that we could use.
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00:20:36,793 --> 00:20:39,655
Hopefully, the GPS trackers
are the saving grace
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for this experiment,
because we're not getting
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00:20:41,448 --> 00:20:42,896
-what we want out of this.
-Yeah,
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00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,206
I'm hoping I can
salvage something out of it.
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THOMAS:
We have not had
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a single experiment
out at the triangle,
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00:20:49,137 --> 00:20:52,172
up in the air,
that has gone per plan.
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00:20:52,275 --> 00:20:54,551
So, what is it
about the triangle
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00:20:54,655 --> 00:20:57,379
and us trying to do
experiments at the triangle
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that seems to trigger,
you know, irregularities?
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00:21:00,413 --> 00:21:01,896
BRYANT:
It seems
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like someone or something,
doesn't want us
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to collect data
from the triangle.
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00:21:08,827 --> 00:21:10,758
That's what it seems like.
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00:21:10,862 --> 00:21:12,620
It's a pattern.
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00:21:12,724 --> 00:21:14,310
It's certainly
making it hard for us.
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00:21:23,241 --> 00:21:24,862
Copy that.
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00:21:25,827 --> 00:21:28,103
[static buzzing]
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00:21:28,206 --> 00:21:30,448
[static continues]
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00:21:30,551 --> 00:21:33,000
What happened?
What the heck is that?
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00:21:35,172 --> 00:21:38,758
What just suddenly
popped up on... What?
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THOMAS:
That 1.6.
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BRYANT:
It was there for a couple
seconds, now it's gone.
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00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:43,379
TRAVIS:
It sure as heck was.
477
00:21:43,482 --> 00:21:45,206
[static buzzing]
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00:21:59,551 --> 00:22:01,793
What are you hearing?
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00:22:01,896 --> 00:22:04,413
[static buzzing]
480
00:22:09,931 --> 00:22:12,034
All right, what's going on?
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00:22:12,137 --> 00:22:13,862
-We're not broadcasting
anything like that.
-TRAVIS: All right.
482
00:22:13,965 --> 00:22:16,000
So, yeah, we're not
broadcasting anything like that.
483
00:22:35,275 --> 00:22:39,344
Negative, Erik,
there's, uh, nothing within
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40, 50 miles of the ranch.
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00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:45,586
[static buzzing]
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00:22:45,689 --> 00:22:47,724
Is it another airplane?
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00:22:56,586 --> 00:22:59,034
TRAVIS: We were all
totally mystified
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00:22:59,137 --> 00:23:02,965
when both Erik and Kendra,
the pilot, suddenly reported
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00:23:03,068 --> 00:23:06,172
that some kind of shadow was
tracking along with the Cessna.
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00:23:06,275 --> 00:23:08,827
BRYANT:
That's extremely strange.
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00:23:08,931 --> 00:23:11,241
TRAVIS:
We checked our ADSB system
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00:23:11,344 --> 00:23:13,551
and there was no
other plane in the area.
493
00:23:13,655 --> 00:23:15,724
It immediately made me
think of last year
494
00:23:15,827 --> 00:23:17,413
when Erik and I were
495
00:23:17,517 --> 00:23:18,931
in the helicopter
with Cameron Fugal
496
00:23:19,034 --> 00:23:21,482
over the triangle
and something showed up
497
00:23:21,586 --> 00:23:23,379
on his radar
just 50 feet beneath us.
498
00:23:23,482 --> 00:23:26,068
[alert buzzing]
499
00:23:26,172 --> 00:23:28,344
There's something underneath us
according to the radar.
500
00:23:29,034 --> 00:23:31,586
That we later identified
in camera footage
501
00:23:31,689 --> 00:23:34,379
as some kind of shadowy UAP.
502
00:23:35,241 --> 00:23:37,724
THOMAS:
Kaleb, do you have eyes
503
00:23:37,827 --> 00:23:39,068
on a second aircraft?
504
00:23:39,172 --> 00:23:41,655
I am scanning now.
505
00:23:47,137 --> 00:23:50,068
TRAVIS:
Look at that.
The 1.6 is going crazy.
506
00:23:50,172 --> 00:23:52,896
-[static buzzing]
-I don't know what that is.
507
00:23:54,275 --> 00:23:56,724
TRAVIS:
In the middle of all
this chaos, once again
508
00:23:56,827 --> 00:24:00,344
the spectrum analyzer suddenly
registered an RF radiation spike
509
00:24:00,448 --> 00:24:03,896
at a frequency
of 1.6 gigahertz.
510
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000
Now, that's the same
kind of energy spike
511
00:24:06,103 --> 00:24:10,310
we've seen over and over when
UAPs have appeared in the past.
512
00:24:10,413 --> 00:24:13,655
And it happened at the same time
Erik and Kendra were seeing
513
00:24:13,758 --> 00:24:16,137
the shadow of some sort
of mysterious aircraft.
514
00:24:16,241 --> 00:24:18,655
[static buzzing]
515
00:24:22,068 --> 00:24:23,137
TRAVIS [echoes]:
What is that?
516
00:24:23,241 --> 00:24:25,310
[echoes]:
What the heck?
517
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:27,620
What?
518
00:24:28,586 --> 00:24:30,620
Why is that picking us up?
519
00:24:31,517 --> 00:24:33,620
TRAVIS: Uh...
It's picking us all up.
520
00:24:33,724 --> 00:24:36,620
Just after the 1.6
gigahertz RF spike
521
00:24:36,724 --> 00:24:40,068
in the control room,
we suddenly heard our own voices
522
00:24:40,172 --> 00:24:43,655
being broadcast
and echoing back at us.
523
00:24:43,758 --> 00:24:46,379
Call them and tell them
to give me the signal.
524
00:24:48,931 --> 00:24:51,896
[echoing]: Stand by, stand by
for one moment, please.
525
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,137
TRAVIS: There's no way that
should have been possible.
526
00:24:54,241 --> 00:24:55,965
It was like we were
being recorded
527
00:24:56,068 --> 00:24:58,758
by someone or something
in real time.
528
00:24:58,862 --> 00:25:00,103
[static buzzing]
529
00:25:00,206 --> 00:25:02,413
[echoing]:
Maybe it's in here.
530
00:25:10,103 --> 00:25:12,551
TRAVIS [echoing]: That is
telling us that one of us
531
00:25:12,655 --> 00:25:17,448
is broadcasting at
1.623800 gigahertz.
532
00:25:17,551 --> 00:25:20,241
That is really odd.
533
00:25:21,379 --> 00:25:23,931
Erik and I have been having
a conversation lately
534
00:25:24,034 --> 00:25:26,137
that we think that
there could be
535
00:25:26,241 --> 00:25:29,000
an eavesdropping device here.
536
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,137
Maybe we've been detecting it
with the spectrum analyzers.
537
00:25:33,241 --> 00:25:34,965
And it...
538
00:25:35,068 --> 00:25:36,620
That might be it.
539
00:25:36,724 --> 00:25:38,103
Really?
540
00:25:38,206 --> 00:25:39,965
And so, somebody is
turning it on and off
541
00:25:40,068 --> 00:25:42,448
which is why we're not
seeing it all the time.
542
00:25:42,551 --> 00:25:44,482
Possibly.
543
00:25:44,586 --> 00:25:47,310
The strange energy spike
along with the sound frequency
544
00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:49,827
from the radio
and our voices being
545
00:25:49,931 --> 00:25:52,896
broadcast and echoing
back at us could mean
546
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,103
that we are being
surveilled on the ranch.
547
00:25:55,206 --> 00:25:58,551
But what I can't even
begin to explain,
548
00:25:58,655 --> 00:26:00,862
especially given
that Erik and Kendra saw
549
00:26:00,965 --> 00:26:02,862
what they believed to be a UAP,
550
00:26:02,965 --> 00:26:05,689
is what the source of
that surveillance could be.
551
00:26:05,793 --> 00:26:07,862
I'm gonna walk outside
and see if somehow it's on me
552
00:26:07,965 --> 00:26:09,689
and then maybe
you guys take turns.
553
00:26:09,793 --> 00:26:13,034
So, you go out and talk.
554
00:26:13,137 --> 00:26:15,034
-TRAVIS: Right.
-We'll listen for you.
555
00:26:15,137 --> 00:26:17,689
-Okay. Yep.
-And then we can send him out
there with you.
556
00:26:19,827 --> 00:26:23,379
Hello, can you guys hear me?
Hello, testing, testing...
557
00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:25,034
-Well, we can hear him.
-Yeah.
558
00:26:25,137 --> 00:26:26,517
BRYANT:
This has me really concerned.
559
00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:28,482
The fact that
560
00:26:28,586 --> 00:26:32,724
there is something or someone
that could be listening to us
561
00:26:32,827 --> 00:26:36,448
and actually broadcasting
our sound back to us again?
562
00:26:37,758 --> 00:26:39,206
Why is this happening?
563
00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:41,965
So, we could still
hear you outside.
564
00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:43,551
Huh.
565
00:26:43,655 --> 00:26:45,896
BRYANT:
Testing, testing, testing.
566
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,344
Are you guys picking me up
at all? Testing, testing.
567
00:26:49,448 --> 00:26:52,344
THOMAS: The most
troubling thing for me
568
00:26:52,448 --> 00:26:55,310
was hearing Travis, Bryant
569
00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:58,310
and myself being broadcast
over this frequency.
570
00:26:58,413 --> 00:27:00,413
What in the crap
does that mean?
571
00:27:00,517 --> 00:27:01,931
THOMAS:
I've said before,
572
00:27:02,034 --> 00:27:04,275
is there not any
safe place on the ranch?
573
00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:08,172
I would say now, is there
any private place on the ranch?
574
00:27:11,034 --> 00:27:12,965
TRAVIS:
The signal stopped.
575
00:27:13,896 --> 00:27:16,103
-What have we played with?
-What just happened?
576
00:27:16,206 --> 00:27:18,931
TRAVIS:
That was really odd.
577
00:27:19,034 --> 00:27:21,482
So, we are descending now...
578
00:27:34,965 --> 00:27:36,448
We were getting
this interference
579
00:27:36,551 --> 00:27:38,551
on our, on our comms.
580
00:27:41,551 --> 00:27:43,344
BRYANT:
Erik, I don't like that.
581
00:27:43,448 --> 00:27:47,275
I would advise that you come
down, from a safety standpoint.
582
00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:57,689
...head on back to
the airport from there.
583
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:08,517
Well, they're done. That's it.
584
00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:09,827
They're headed
back to the airport.
585
00:28:09,931 --> 00:28:11,517
Erik's still got the handheld
586
00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:13,172
if we want to talk
to him on his way,
587
00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:15,172
but they'll be at the airport
in five or ten minutes.
588
00:28:15,275 --> 00:28:16,793
All right.
589
00:28:16,896 --> 00:28:18,620
TRAVIS:
The main bit of data
590
00:28:18,724 --> 00:28:20,827
that we're really
looking forward to
591
00:28:20,931 --> 00:28:23,517
is the GPS data
that Erik and I put
592
00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:25,862
in the plane,
it's collecting it real time
593
00:28:25,965 --> 00:28:28,275
on the computer so we know
it's actually working.
594
00:28:28,379 --> 00:28:31,068
And when he gets on
the ground and we crunch that,
595
00:28:31,172 --> 00:28:35,068
we're gonna be able
to create a GPS anomaly map
596
00:28:35,172 --> 00:28:37,517
over the entire ranch
from a thousand feet
597
00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:39,620
to 6,000 feet
above ground level.
598
00:28:41,275 --> 00:28:42,655
They'll be there
before I get there,
599
00:28:42,758 --> 00:28:43,827
so I probably need to get going.
600
00:28:43,931 --> 00:28:45,517
-Okay.
-Okay.
601
00:28:48,551 --> 00:28:50,586
♪
602
00:28:56,448 --> 00:28:58,137
-TOM: Well, hey, Jon.
-Hey, hello.
603
00:28:58,241 --> 00:29:00,034
TOM:
After meeting
604
00:29:00,137 --> 00:29:02,586
with Jon at McConkie,
it was obvious that he needed
605
00:29:02,689 --> 00:29:04,551
to come to Skinwalker Ranch.
606
00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:05,896
His interpretation
607
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,413
of the petroglyphs
and pictographs
608
00:29:07,517 --> 00:29:09,724
that are up on the walls
at McConkie Ranch
609
00:29:09,827 --> 00:29:13,068
could be really interesting
to Erik and Travis.
610
00:29:13,172 --> 00:29:15,758
There's a lot of similarities
in what we saw there
611
00:29:15,862 --> 00:29:18,241
and then there are some
things here that
612
00:29:18,344 --> 00:29:19,724
I've never seen before
and we hope
613
00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:21,241
you can give us some insight on.
614
00:29:21,344 --> 00:29:22,896
Right, I'd love to see them.
615
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,551
Let's jump in the Ranger
and head down.
616
00:29:28,344 --> 00:29:31,896
KANDUS: We've found
a strange notable location
617
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,413
on top of the mesa,
618
00:29:33,517 --> 00:29:35,206
and we are hoping
to get his take
619
00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:36,586
on what it is.
620
00:29:36,689 --> 00:29:38,344
TOM:
So, it is just right
621
00:29:38,448 --> 00:29:41,827
kind of at the top of this mesa,
so it's a little bit of a hike.
622
00:29:42,793 --> 00:29:44,241
KANDUS:
It's important that we explore
623
00:29:44,344 --> 00:29:45,862
what all these sites
could mean
624
00:29:45,965 --> 00:29:49,862
in the bigger picture
of the ranch.
625
00:29:50,827 --> 00:29:54,689
TOM:
Yeah, so, this spot is
some sort of mound.
626
00:29:57,344 --> 00:29:59,620
JON:
Absolutely amazing.
627
00:30:02,655 --> 00:30:04,724
TOM:
The fact that there's
all of these stones
628
00:30:04,827 --> 00:30:08,413
around what seems to be
some sort of mound
629
00:30:08,517 --> 00:30:10,551
in the very middle.
630
00:30:10,655 --> 00:30:12,586
What do you think?
631
00:30:12,689 --> 00:30:16,379
JON:
I get the sense that this is
something sacred here.
632
00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:18,482
That it was purpose-built.
633
00:30:18,586 --> 00:30:20,724
I was gonna make a suggestion.
634
00:30:20,827 --> 00:30:22,241
-KANDUS: Mm-hmm.
-JON: Um...
635
00:30:22,344 --> 00:30:26,241
In a lot of native
cultures, your...
636
00:30:26,344 --> 00:30:30,172
you approach things
from a clockwise direction.
637
00:30:30,275 --> 00:30:34,793
So, uh, what I'd like to do
is approach this and go around
638
00:30:34,896 --> 00:30:36,586
in a clockwise manner
639
00:30:36,689 --> 00:30:38,413
-and take a look at things.
-Okay.
640
00:30:38,517 --> 00:30:43,275
It's just a sign of respect
on any type of sacred site
641
00:30:43,379 --> 00:30:46,482
and we just want
to honor that here.
642
00:30:46,586 --> 00:30:50,379
If you go counterclockwise,
it's kind of a negative thing.
643
00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:52,965
-KANDUS: Let's do that.
-Yeah, why don't you
lead the way?
644
00:30:55,482 --> 00:30:58,137
JON:
We got up to the top
of the mesa there
645
00:30:58,241 --> 00:31:00,620
and to me it looked
almost like
646
00:31:00,724 --> 00:31:03,310
a Stonehenge-type structure
647
00:31:03,413 --> 00:31:06,310
with these rocks in a circular
pattern around there.
648
00:31:06,413 --> 00:31:09,793
Traditional beliefs
with the Navajo are
649
00:31:09,896 --> 00:31:12,379
something that is brought up
when you're a child.
650
00:31:12,482 --> 00:31:13,931
You grow up
651
00:31:14,034 --> 00:31:15,655
in that there is
a certain way to act,
652
00:31:15,758 --> 00:31:17,275
there is a certain way
to do things
653
00:31:17,379 --> 00:31:22,448
and so, you would start
and go clockwise around it
654
00:31:22,551 --> 00:31:27,482
and come back to it to complete
the circle before you entered.
655
00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:31,931
Um, that's just traditional--
most native tribes.
656
00:31:32,034 --> 00:31:34,413
KANDUS:
So, I want to stop
and show you something
657
00:31:34,517 --> 00:31:36,482
on this boulder.
658
00:31:36,586 --> 00:31:41,000
Maybe you want to step over
and look at it here yourself
659
00:31:41,103 --> 00:31:44,413
for just a minute,
but there were a few things...
660
00:31:45,517 --> 00:31:48,000
...that seemed worth noting.
661
00:31:49,896 --> 00:31:51,275
What do you think of those?
662
00:31:51,379 --> 00:31:56,620
What I'm seeing here
is four distinct lines
663
00:31:56,724 --> 00:31:59,137
that are carved into this rock
664
00:31:59,241 --> 00:32:01,758
and, uh, typically,
665
00:32:01,862 --> 00:32:04,068
they could be marking
periods of time.
666
00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,068
We don't know what the time was.
667
00:32:06,172 --> 00:32:08,206
-And then...
-And around the side there,
you'll see...
668
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:09,793
You see right
where you're standing.
669
00:32:09,896 --> 00:32:11,896
-You see that little...
-Yeah.
670
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,413
We understand the erosion here,
but that hole...
671
00:32:16,172 --> 00:32:18,724
-Right.
-KANDUS: Yeah, so...
672
00:32:20,379 --> 00:32:22,206
That looks like
it could be natural?
673
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:26,310
Well, this one, uh, if you...
if you sight through it,
674
00:32:26,413 --> 00:32:28,206
-it's right on the horizon.
-KANDUS: Mm-hmm.
675
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:30,206
JON:
When you're looking at it.
676
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:33,517
And during spring and fall,
677
00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:35,862
when the sun rises,
678
00:32:35,965 --> 00:32:38,137
it-it comes straight
through this hole.
679
00:32:38,241 --> 00:32:40,000
TOM:
Yeah.
680
00:32:40,103 --> 00:32:42,206
So, what do you
believe this is?
681
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:44,586
-This place?
-This is, uh,
682
00:32:44,689 --> 00:32:46,551
is rather interesting.
683
00:32:46,655 --> 00:32:49,827
Uh, when I see mounds like this,
684
00:32:49,931 --> 00:32:53,206
it could be a holy place.
685
00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:55,965
I'm thinking here's a place
686
00:32:56,068 --> 00:32:57,965
where prayers were offered.
687
00:32:58,068 --> 00:32:59,413
A sacred place.
688
00:33:01,172 --> 00:33:03,103
I believe that
this area was used
689
00:33:03,206 --> 00:33:06,344
as a talisman to keep
the evil on that side.
690
00:33:15,206 --> 00:33:15,793
That's incredible.
691
00:33:15,896 --> 00:33:17,000
Hmm.
692
00:33:17,103 --> 00:33:17,965
JON:
I'm thinking there's
693
00:33:18,068 --> 00:33:20,172
definitely something here.
694
00:33:20,275 --> 00:33:22,517
And I-I just, I can...
695
00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:25,137
-I can feel it
in my bones, you know?
-TOM: Mm-hmm.
696
00:33:25,241 --> 00:33:26,448
Yeah.
697
00:33:26,551 --> 00:33:27,689
JON: Well,
let's continue around
698
00:33:27,793 --> 00:33:29,931
-and complete the circle.
-KANDUS: Okay.
699
00:33:30,034 --> 00:33:33,241
JON:
Looking at this place
in its entirety, it struck me
700
00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:35,241
as a holy place.
701
00:33:35,344 --> 00:33:39,793
It could have been used as
some kind of protection ceremony
702
00:33:39,896 --> 00:33:44,172
to keep whatever is historically
here on Skinwalker Ranch
703
00:33:44,275 --> 00:33:47,689
from traveling over the mesa.
704
00:33:47,793 --> 00:33:52,103
And we have basically
a spiral right here...
705
00:33:53,068 --> 00:33:57,344
...that's been put
into this ground here.
706
00:33:57,448 --> 00:34:01,068
TOM: And as we've seen
today at McConkie
707
00:34:01,172 --> 00:34:03,068
and maybe here, that spiral
708
00:34:03,172 --> 00:34:04,793
is indicative of...
709
00:34:04,896 --> 00:34:08,068
A portal,
a dimensional rift, an opening.
710
00:34:09,758 --> 00:34:12,965
JON:
The ancient people that
populated this land
711
00:34:13,068 --> 00:34:15,103
knew of this place.
712
00:34:15,206 --> 00:34:18,758
There's evil there, there is
something that can kill you,
713
00:34:18,862 --> 00:34:23,517
whether it's skinwalkers
or some kind of malignant power.
714
00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:25,344
So, it doesn't strike me
715
00:34:25,448 --> 00:34:30,241
as unusual, this spiritual
idea, this warding off
716
00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:32,068
of what could come that way.
717
00:34:32,172 --> 00:34:33,586
TOM:
So, Jon,
718
00:34:33,689 --> 00:34:35,517
you've enlightened us so much
719
00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:37,586
and given us
so much more to work on,
720
00:34:37,689 --> 00:34:39,758
and added greatly
to our investigation, so...
721
00:34:39,862 --> 00:34:41,896
-Well, good, good. I'm glad.
-Yeah.
722
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,689
Thank you for having me
out here.
723
00:34:43,793 --> 00:34:46,896
Thank you for coming and
spending this much time with us.
724
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,482
Yeah, let's head back down.
725
00:34:58,344 --> 00:35:00,103
ERIK: We're going to
take a look at
726
00:35:00,206 --> 00:35:04,310
the data that we got out of
the experiment with the Cessna.
727
00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:06,344
I've got our own data.
728
00:35:06,448 --> 00:35:08,448
We also have some data
from the pilot.
729
00:35:08,551 --> 00:35:10,137
Oh, good.
730
00:35:10,241 --> 00:35:11,827
TRAVIS: The day after
our Cessna experiment
731
00:35:11,931 --> 00:35:15,068
over the triangle, Erik has
all the data sorted out.
732
00:35:15,172 --> 00:35:17,655
So, we're eager to see
what he was able to collect,
733
00:35:17,758 --> 00:35:20,655
given all the bizarre things
that happened during the flight.
734
00:35:20,758 --> 00:35:22,965
I'm glad that you had
instruments on board
735
00:35:23,068 --> 00:35:24,379
because we got
bubkes of data here.
736
00:35:24,482 --> 00:35:26,068
Right.
737
00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:28,310
Now, I know, during
the course of the experiment,
738
00:35:28,413 --> 00:35:31,827
we could never
pick her up on the radar.
739
00:35:31,931 --> 00:35:33,068
You're talking about
the ADSB receiver?
740
00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:34,758
-Yeah.
-THOMAS: Yeah.
741
00:35:34,862 --> 00:35:37,482
Yeah, we saw you leave Roosevelt
and go back to Roosevelt,
742
00:35:37,586 --> 00:35:39,137
-but that's it.
-ERIK: Right after
743
00:35:39,241 --> 00:35:41,310
all the frustrations
I know we had on the ground.
744
00:35:41,413 --> 00:35:44,482
I mean, the stuff that I got
out of the actual data logging,
745
00:35:44,586 --> 00:35:46,137
it's really perplexing.
746
00:35:46,241 --> 00:35:47,827
Get this.
747
00:35:47,931 --> 00:35:49,379
These little guys,
they receive signals
748
00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:51,034
directly from the satellites.
749
00:35:51,137 --> 00:35:52,448
They're GPS tracker units.
750
00:35:52,551 --> 00:35:55,275
I had five of these things
on the flight.
751
00:35:55,379 --> 00:36:00,241
The data from four of the five
was either absent or garbled.
752
00:36:00,344 --> 00:36:01,862
And get this.
753
00:36:01,965 --> 00:36:04,310
The one that worked,
it's flawless.
754
00:36:04,413 --> 00:36:06,896
This is really suggestive
755
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,206
that there is something
locally going on here.
756
00:36:09,965 --> 00:36:11,137
TRAVIS:
Well, let's see it.
757
00:36:11,241 --> 00:36:13,448
Yeah, let me bring this up.
758
00:36:18,241 --> 00:36:20,793
ERIK:
So, here we are at
the Roosevelt airstrip.
759
00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:22,517
And we did, just as planned,
760
00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:26,310
we did several altitudes
making those S-turns
761
00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:29,137
and, uh, doing what we call
the push broom pattern.
762
00:36:29,241 --> 00:36:31,793
TRAVIS:
So, you said that
her system data-logged...
763
00:36:31,896 --> 00:36:33,862
-ERIK: Uh-huh.
-...uh, on board.
So, what did it show?
764
00:36:33,965 --> 00:36:35,379
You're not going
to believe this.
765
00:36:35,482 --> 00:36:38,896
So, this is what
one of our units got.
766
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,551
-And as I said,
it looks pristine.
-TRAVIS: It really does.
767
00:36:42,655 --> 00:36:43,896
THOMAS:
I don't see anything in that,
768
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,655
that looks like anything
jumped out of...
769
00:36:45,758 --> 00:36:47,172
BRYANT:
I mean, yeah.
770
00:36:47,275 --> 00:36:48,724
Now, you guys are
not gonna believe this.
771
00:36:48,827 --> 00:36:51,310
Let me show you what
I received from Kendra.
772
00:36:54,827 --> 00:36:56,724
BRYANT: Uh...
is that under the ranch?
773
00:36:56,827 --> 00:36:58,620
ERIK:
So, yeah. I need
to explain this.
774
00:36:58,724 --> 00:36:59,862
TRAVIS:
Look at that.
775
00:36:59,965 --> 00:37:01,379
-Uh-huh.
-That's interesting.
776
00:37:01,482 --> 00:37:02,793
ERIK:
Just as you saw
777
00:37:02,896 --> 00:37:05,448
with the yellow tracks
from our trackers,
778
00:37:05,551 --> 00:37:07,931
uh, you see the flight out.
779
00:37:08,034 --> 00:37:09,862
-Mm-hmm.
-Okay?
780
00:37:09,965 --> 00:37:11,586
She's taking this path.
781
00:37:11,689 --> 00:37:15,310
We execute one loop,
if you will, over the property
782
00:37:15,413 --> 00:37:17,000
and then everything falls apart.
783
00:37:18,965 --> 00:37:19,931
[scoffs]
784
00:37:20,034 --> 00:37:22,931
Many of the altitude readings
785
00:37:23,034 --> 00:37:25,206
that she reported were
786
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,000
far beneath the ground;
in fact, beneath sea level.
787
00:37:31,724 --> 00:37:33,931
And not just beneath
sea level, but 62 and a half
788
00:37:34,034 --> 00:37:35,586
miles below sea level.
789
00:37:40,551 --> 00:37:42,482
-TRAVIS: 62 and a half miles?
-ERIK: Yes.
790
00:37:42,586 --> 00:37:46,862
62 and a half miles is
the altitude above sea level
791
00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:51,103
that is considered
the von Kármán line
792
00:37:51,206 --> 00:37:52,931
where you go from
atmosphere to space.
793
00:37:53,965 --> 00:37:56,103
THOMAS: And that's exactly
62 and a half?
794
00:37:56,206 --> 00:37:58,034
And this is-is exactly
62 and a half miles.
795
00:37:58,137 --> 00:38:00,137
So, why did this choose
62 and a half miles
796
00:38:00,241 --> 00:38:01,551
under the ground?
797
00:38:01,655 --> 00:38:03,931
What do you get
when you go there?
798
00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:06,413
That is weird, though.
799
00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:08,793
But this also is not
the first time we've had
800
00:38:08,896 --> 00:38:12,068
-GPS telling instrumentation
that it's underground.
-ERIK: Below ground.
801
00:38:12,172 --> 00:38:14,103
-I know. That's right.
-ERIK: That's the point.
802
00:38:14,206 --> 00:38:17,620
ERIK: These blue cubes
appear to be
803
00:38:17,724 --> 00:38:20,517
70 feet below
the surface of the mesa.
804
00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:21,931
TRAVIS:
Two weeks ago,
805
00:38:22,034 --> 00:38:23,931
when we flew up
into the mile-high zone
806
00:38:24,034 --> 00:38:26,068
above the triangle
in Brandon's helicopter,
807
00:38:26,172 --> 00:38:30,241
our GPS data indicated
that we flew into the mesa
808
00:38:30,344 --> 00:38:32,793
and traveled through it
for several hundred feet.
809
00:38:32,896 --> 00:38:35,068
It looks like
you smashed into the mesa.
810
00:38:35,172 --> 00:38:37,103
What the heck?
811
00:38:37,206 --> 00:38:41,310
TRAVIS: Now, this new GPS data
collected over the same zone
812
00:38:41,413 --> 00:38:43,448
above the triangle indicates
813
00:38:43,551 --> 00:38:46,310
that the Cessna went
into and below the mesa
814
00:38:46,413 --> 00:38:50,620
the same distance that it is
from sea level to outer space.
815
00:38:50,724 --> 00:38:53,068
What in the hell
could that possibly mean?
816
00:38:53,172 --> 00:38:55,068
BRYANT:
Given this,
817
00:38:55,172 --> 00:38:57,655
and especially the fact
that it seems like
818
00:38:57,758 --> 00:38:59,241
we're being monitored out here,
819
00:38:59,344 --> 00:39:01,172
with that strange
820
00:39:01,275 --> 00:39:04,000
projecting of
our voices remotely,
821
00:39:04,103 --> 00:39:07,827
it's definitely
a security issue and so,
822
00:39:07,931 --> 00:39:09,517
I'm going to let Brandon
know what's going on
823
00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:11,172
and I'm sure he's
going to be curious
824
00:39:11,275 --> 00:39:13,137
to know what's going on
with the data as well.
825
00:39:13,241 --> 00:39:16,517
You know, I'm trying to think
of other ways to look
826
00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:19,172
at this anomaly other
than just GPS systems.
827
00:39:19,275 --> 00:39:21,758
What if we got some telescopes
828
00:39:21,862 --> 00:39:24,482
and we looked
through the anomaly,
829
00:39:24,586 --> 00:39:26,620
and if it is some sort
830
00:39:26,724 --> 00:39:28,344
of optical
or gravitational anomaly,
831
00:39:28,448 --> 00:39:31,034
our atmosphere should change.
832
00:39:31,137 --> 00:39:33,586
And it should change in a way
that it's not supposed to.
833
00:39:33,689 --> 00:39:36,137
And then, we would measure,
"Hey, look, there's something,
834
00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:39,103
an anomaly there,"
and that would be data.
835
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,655
Well, I'm going
to go call Brandon.
836
00:39:42,758 --> 00:39:44,931
Yeah, I'll reach out
to the astronomy guys.
837
00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:47,379
TRAVIS:
That's cool stuff, Erik.
838
00:39:49,551 --> 00:39:51,655
ERIK:
Previous researchers
have commented
839
00:39:51,758 --> 00:39:54,379
that theirs is the impression
that the ranch phenomenology
840
00:39:54,482 --> 00:39:56,827
responds, if not anticipates,
841
00:39:56,931 --> 00:39:58,896
the experiments
that they have attempted,
842
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,482
and we do see some
support for that
843
00:40:01,586 --> 00:40:03,379
in our experience here
over the years.
844
00:40:03,482 --> 00:40:05,689
Perhaps what we're seeing
with the ADSB
845
00:40:05,793 --> 00:40:10,379
transponder data receiver is
an example of that interference.
846
00:40:11,448 --> 00:40:15,862
TRAVIS:
There are so many GPS
anomalies that we're seeing.
847
00:40:15,965 --> 00:40:20,965
There could be actually
some advanced physics
848
00:40:21,068 --> 00:40:23,034
like you would see
in science fiction,
849
00:40:23,137 --> 00:40:25,344
or like the stories
of portals opening up.
850
00:40:25,448 --> 00:40:28,344
Now, if that's the case,
we could be on the edge
851
00:40:28,448 --> 00:40:30,586
of some amazing discoveries.
852
00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:33,586
BRANDON:
Even with continued events
853
00:40:33,689 --> 00:40:36,379
occurring at the triangle,
we have setbacks.
854
00:40:36,482 --> 00:40:39,758
It seems like something
continues to push back on us
855
00:40:39,862 --> 00:40:41,379
and create obstacles.
856
00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:45,793
I think that just makes the team
more determined than ever
857
00:40:45,896 --> 00:40:49,827
to try to find out
what is behind
858
00:40:49,931 --> 00:40:51,655
a lot of the strange activity
859
00:40:51,758 --> 00:40:53,724
on Skinwalker Ranch.
860
00:40:59,068 --> 00:41:01,517
We would like to look
through the anomaly
861
00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:03,586
at an astronomical object
862
00:41:03,689 --> 00:41:05,655
and see if they seem obscured.
863
00:41:05,758 --> 00:41:08,586
THOMAS:
Erik, the cows have scattered
through the entire field.
864
00:41:08,689 --> 00:41:11,068
Something's
definitely scared them.
865
00:41:11,172 --> 00:41:13,103
TRAVIS:
What the hell
is that in the sky?
866
00:41:13,206 --> 00:41:15,206
-CHUCK: That thing is
big and spherical.
-TRAVIS: Yes, it is.
867
00:41:15,310 --> 00:41:17,413
-It's got a black dot
in the center of it.
-What?
868
00:41:17,517 --> 00:41:19,724
There is something
I'd like to get your eyes on.
869
00:41:19,827 --> 00:41:21,413
-TRAVIS: Whoa! What was that?
-ERIK: There, there.
870
00:41:21,517 --> 00:41:23,482
TRAVIS: That's the brightest
thing in the sky.
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