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UAP right there. -GARY: Yup. 9 00:00:27,172 --> 00:00:31,344 So we have a region in altitude that tells us 10 00:00:31,448 --> 00:00:32,896 there is some kind on phenomenon 11 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,793 taking place right here over the triangle. 12 00:00:36,689 --> 00:00:40,172 NARRATOR: There is a ranch in Northern Utah. 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,137 It is considered the epicenter 14 00:00:43,241 --> 00:00:47,793 of the strangest and most disturbing phenomena on Earth: 15 00:00:47,896 --> 00:00:50,241 animal mutilations, 16 00:00:50,344 --> 00:00:52,448 bizarre UFO sightings 17 00:00:52,551 --> 00:00:57,448 and unusual energies that have proven harmful to humans. 18 00:00:57,551 --> 00:01:00,482 For 20 years, the federal government 19 00:01:00,586 --> 00:01:03,620 tried to find answers and failed. 20 00:01:03,724 --> 00:01:07,896 Now a new team of dedicated scientists, 21 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,896 researchers and experts has taken over. 22 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:16,000 They are determined to solve the mystery and reveal... 23 00:01:18,310 --> 00:01:21,724 ...The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch. 24 00:01:27,793 --> 00:01:30,034 TRAVIS: I don't know if it's 25 00:01:30,137 --> 00:01:32,344 the things we're doing that's stimulating these things 26 00:01:32,448 --> 00:01:34,034 like launching rockets. 27 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:36,379 But there seems to be something happening that is 28 00:01:36,482 --> 00:01:38,793 jamming, hacking, spoofing us. 29 00:01:38,896 --> 00:01:40,655 TRAVIS: We've recently conducted 30 00:01:40,758 --> 00:01:43,310 two new experiments at the triangle and have gotten 31 00:01:43,413 --> 00:01:45,482 more confirmation that something strange 32 00:01:45,586 --> 00:01:47,931 is happening about a mile above that area. 33 00:01:48,862 --> 00:01:52,172 CAMERON: Three, two, one, bottle drop. 34 00:01:52,275 --> 00:01:53,931 TRAVIS: First, we dropped GPS units 35 00:01:54,034 --> 00:01:56,344 from Brandon's helicopter down through it. 36 00:01:56,448 --> 00:01:58,379 TRAVIS: Holy cow. Look at that. 37 00:01:58,482 --> 00:01:59,689 So we threw it out right there 38 00:01:59,793 --> 00:02:02,103 and then, look, it goes upwind. 39 00:02:02,206 --> 00:02:03,620 But something we couldn't see 40 00:02:03,724 --> 00:02:05,103 seemed to deflect our instruments 41 00:02:05,206 --> 00:02:06,586 away from the spot. 42 00:02:06,689 --> 00:02:09,000 The rocket is going hot. 43 00:02:10,793 --> 00:02:12,620 Then, we launched rockets up there with a team 44 00:02:12,724 --> 00:02:15,758 of former military experts who brought a specialized 45 00:02:15,862 --> 00:02:17,413 tracking system for studying UAP. 46 00:02:17,517 --> 00:02:20,482 -Hey look, UAP right there. -GARY: Yep. I see it. 47 00:02:20,586 --> 00:02:22,586 TRAVIS: We did stimulate something to appear in the sky, 48 00:02:22,689 --> 00:02:24,379 but the tracking system 49 00:02:24,482 --> 00:02:26,758 mysteriously shut down over and over... 50 00:02:26,862 --> 00:02:28,413 You got to be kidding me. 51 00:02:28,517 --> 00:02:30,137 ...preventing us from getting any data. 52 00:02:30,241 --> 00:02:31,931 Everything just went off-line. 53 00:02:32,034 --> 00:02:35,758 We need to find a way to collect data in that zone 54 00:02:35,862 --> 00:02:37,793 for a sustained period of time 55 00:02:37,896 --> 00:02:40,896 to figure out just what's causing these strange events 56 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,068 that keep happening on Skinwalker Ranch. 57 00:02:43,172 --> 00:02:45,413 Well, you know, these rockets are great 58 00:02:45,517 --> 00:02:47,724 and we're seeing this data. The problem with them is 59 00:02:47,827 --> 00:02:49,620 they go up so fast and come down so fast, 60 00:02:49,724 --> 00:02:52,103 I don't feel like you guys are really getting a lot of data. 61 00:02:52,206 --> 00:02:54,206 A typical flight trajectory is, 62 00:02:54,310 --> 00:02:56,931 even with a very big chute on them, 63 00:02:57,034 --> 00:02:58,965 is less than 20 or 30 seconds. 64 00:02:59,068 --> 00:03:02,034 -Yeah. -So, it would be nice to linger there 65 00:03:02,137 --> 00:03:04,689 like with a fixed-wing aircraft that we could just keep fly-- 66 00:03:04,793 --> 00:03:07,448 orbiting over the spot, or something. 67 00:03:07,551 --> 00:03:09,103 You know, where we just make 68 00:03:09,206 --> 00:03:11,344 a push broom-type of pattern at various altitudes. 69 00:03:11,448 --> 00:03:14,862 TRAVIS: You could do that with, like, a Cessna or something like that 70 00:03:14,965 --> 00:03:16,862 and you could put plenty of instruments in it. 71 00:03:16,965 --> 00:03:19,172 They could go about a hundred miles an hour, or slower, 72 00:03:19,275 --> 00:03:22,689 and just push broom back and forth over the ranch. 73 00:03:22,793 --> 00:03:24,344 And then you could go up in altitude 74 00:03:24,448 --> 00:03:26,000 and do it again and keep doing it. 75 00:03:26,103 --> 00:03:28,448 We could get a complete 3D map 76 00:03:28,551 --> 00:03:31,758 of GPS, gamma rays, radio, 77 00:03:31,862 --> 00:03:33,551 whatever we wanted to do like that. 78 00:03:33,655 --> 00:03:35,965 Well, we've talked about this for a while, I say we do it. 79 00:03:36,068 --> 00:03:37,827 -Right. -TRAVIS: I'll bet you 80 00:03:37,931 --> 00:03:40,689 that Cameron knows somebody, 81 00:03:40,793 --> 00:03:43,310 that's got a plane that would do this, that would help us out. 82 00:03:43,413 --> 00:03:45,517 Okay, should we go do it? 83 00:03:45,620 --> 00:03:47,655 We need to reach out to Cameron to see if he can help us out. 84 00:03:47,758 --> 00:03:49,000 BRYANT: Sounds good. 85 00:03:49,103 --> 00:03:50,482 TRAVIS: Thanks, Erik. 86 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,827 TOM: Right up here is where the petroglyph is. 87 00:04:04,931 --> 00:04:06,586 KANDUS: Okay. 88 00:04:06,689 --> 00:04:08,068 TRAVIS: While we were preparing 89 00:04:08,172 --> 00:04:09,896 for the experiment above the triangle, 90 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,551 Tom Lewis and Kandus Linde went to 91 00:04:11,655 --> 00:04:13,931 nearby McConkie Ranch to meet with a respected 92 00:04:14,034 --> 00:04:16,413 Navajo Nation's member named Jon Dover. 93 00:04:16,517 --> 00:04:18,896 I think he said he was going to meet us 94 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,241 -just at the trailhead up here. -JON: Hello! 95 00:04:21,344 --> 00:04:22,206 -I'm up here. -TOM: Jon. 96 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:23,551 Hello. 97 00:04:23,655 --> 00:04:24,689 Come on up. 98 00:04:24,793 --> 00:04:25,896 Let's head on up. 99 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,827 TRAVIS: Now, we want 100 00:04:27,931 --> 00:04:30,241 any information that can help us with our investigation 101 00:04:30,344 --> 00:04:32,241 and the Indigenous people in this region 102 00:04:32,344 --> 00:04:35,413 have a long history with all kinds of strange phenomenon. 103 00:04:35,517 --> 00:04:38,413 -KANDUS: You're good? -TOM: Oh, yeah. 104 00:04:38,517 --> 00:04:41,172 TOM: Just recently, we met with Corey Serawop 105 00:04:41,275 --> 00:04:42,758 who shared a story with us 106 00:04:42,862 --> 00:04:45,482 about his experience in the Uinta Basin. 107 00:04:45,586 --> 00:04:47,896 One thing he brought up was that we should visit 108 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,517 McConkie Ranch and check out the petroglyphs there. 109 00:04:50,620 --> 00:04:51,896 This is amazing. 110 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,862 KANDUS: Wow, yeah. 111 00:04:53,965 --> 00:04:55,931 TOM: Jon Dover has a deep understanding 112 00:04:56,034 --> 00:04:58,068 of the petroglyphs and pictographs that are up 113 00:04:58,172 --> 00:04:59,517 on the walls at McConkie Ranch. 114 00:04:59,620 --> 00:05:03,241 And so, Kandus and I are very interested 115 00:05:03,344 --> 00:05:05,275 to hear what Jon has to say. 116 00:05:05,379 --> 00:05:07,827 -Ah, there you are. Hi. -JON: Hey, there. 117 00:05:07,931 --> 00:05:10,379 -Glad you made it. -Thanks so much for having us. 118 00:05:10,482 --> 00:05:11,655 -Kandus. -Jon. 119 00:05:11,758 --> 00:05:13,310 Jon, nice to meet you. 120 00:05:13,413 --> 00:05:14,655 -And I'm Tom. -Hi, Tom. 121 00:05:14,758 --> 00:05:16,137 JON: My name is Jonathan Dover. 122 00:05:16,241 --> 00:05:18,655 I spent 27 years 123 00:05:18,758 --> 00:05:22,862 as a, uh, archeological resource investigator 124 00:05:22,965 --> 00:05:25,793 with the Navajo Nation Rangers. 125 00:05:25,896 --> 00:05:27,482 KANDUS: Oh, wow. 126 00:05:27,586 --> 00:05:29,793 Yeah, this place is amazing. 127 00:05:29,896 --> 00:05:33,793 JON: This is one place of a whole bunch of places 128 00:05:33,896 --> 00:05:36,137 that have petroglyphs 129 00:05:36,241 --> 00:05:39,758 that were put on these rocks a thousand years ago 130 00:05:39,862 --> 00:05:41,551 or even earlier than that. 131 00:05:41,655 --> 00:05:43,310 Mm-hmm. 132 00:05:43,413 --> 00:05:45,344 JON: The ancient people that populated 133 00:05:45,448 --> 00:05:49,206 this place and some of the other places around here show 134 00:05:49,310 --> 00:05:51,000 that the natives back then 135 00:05:51,103 --> 00:05:54,206 were seeing unusual things happening 136 00:05:54,310 --> 00:05:56,137 and were recording them, too. 137 00:05:56,241 --> 00:05:59,965 There's a lot of information that's put on these rocks 138 00:06:00,068 --> 00:06:03,482 and they are put on in successive "timescape." 139 00:06:03,586 --> 00:06:07,827 Everybody that came through would add something to it. 140 00:06:07,931 --> 00:06:10,034 They're a record and... 141 00:06:10,137 --> 00:06:12,965 unusual things would be documented on them. 142 00:06:13,068 --> 00:06:16,379 They could depict clans, they could depict Gods, 143 00:06:16,482 --> 00:06:20,724 they could even depict maps of the area. 144 00:06:20,827 --> 00:06:25,034 Yeah, we have a few small panels at the ranch and we're really 145 00:06:25,137 --> 00:06:27,068 trying to tie anything together that's in this region 146 00:06:27,172 --> 00:06:29,344 to the ranch, to see if there's 147 00:06:29,448 --> 00:06:31,206 connections or anything that we could draw 148 00:06:31,310 --> 00:06:32,724 lines to. 149 00:06:32,827 --> 00:06:34,379 We'll definitely see some connections here. 150 00:06:34,482 --> 00:06:35,379 KANDUS: Excellent. 151 00:06:35,482 --> 00:06:36,896 If we go further down here, 152 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,034 we're going to take a look at one of them. 153 00:06:39,137 --> 00:06:41,172 -TOM: Great. -Show us the way. 154 00:06:41,275 --> 00:06:43,068 Wow. 155 00:06:43,172 --> 00:06:45,827 Here is the most interesting one that I've found so far, 156 00:06:45,931 --> 00:06:49,206 is this spiral right here. 157 00:06:49,310 --> 00:06:52,034 The spiral seems to be universal. 158 00:06:52,137 --> 00:06:53,827 All through 159 00:06:53,931 --> 00:06:55,931 the United States, through the Southwest, 160 00:06:56,034 --> 00:06:58,068 in Europe, in Africa. 161 00:06:58,172 --> 00:07:02,103 Some archeologists tell me that this spiral 162 00:07:02,206 --> 00:07:05,413 could refer to some kind of a portal. 163 00:07:05,517 --> 00:07:07,517 -A portal? -JON: Yeah, a portal. 164 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:09,275 Okay. 165 00:07:09,379 --> 00:07:12,103 JON: And, uh, we think that there's something 166 00:07:12,206 --> 00:07:13,482 called infrasound. 167 00:07:13,586 --> 00:07:17,103 Which is different frequencies of sound 168 00:07:17,206 --> 00:07:20,793 that you can't detect them with human hearing. 169 00:07:20,896 --> 00:07:23,275 And we believe that it's very possible 170 00:07:23,379 --> 00:07:25,620 that these different frequencies 171 00:07:25,724 --> 00:07:29,551 can open portals to other places. 172 00:07:30,862 --> 00:07:32,620 TRAVIS: For two years now, 173 00:07:32,724 --> 00:07:35,793 all over Skinwalker Ranch we've seen this strange signal 174 00:07:35,896 --> 00:07:38,827 with an RF frequency of 1.6 gigahertz. 175 00:07:40,034 --> 00:07:41,413 BRYANT: We've got liftoff. 176 00:07:41,517 --> 00:07:43,275 TRAVIS: Oh, my God, during launch 177 00:07:43,379 --> 00:07:45,068 the electromagnetic spectrum is going 178 00:07:45,172 --> 00:07:47,103 crazy, guys-- I've never seen anything like it. 179 00:07:47,206 --> 00:07:49,586 No technology that we know of 180 00:07:49,689 --> 00:07:53,551 uses this specific 1.6 gigahertz frequency, 181 00:07:53,655 --> 00:07:55,379 but we often see it when people have 182 00:07:55,482 --> 00:07:57,448 physiological episodes on the ranch, 183 00:07:57,551 --> 00:08:00,620 and also, when we've seen UAPs. 184 00:08:00,724 --> 00:08:04,172 Now, the idea that UAP and strange frequencies 185 00:08:04,275 --> 00:08:07,655 are somehow connected to a phenomenon like a portal, 186 00:08:07,758 --> 00:08:09,137 is very interesting, 187 00:08:09,241 --> 00:08:11,517 especially since many of the Indigenous people 188 00:08:11,620 --> 00:08:15,965 in this area truly believe that connection exists. 189 00:08:16,068 --> 00:08:19,724 You're saying this is a portal? Or could be a portal? 190 00:08:19,827 --> 00:08:22,241 This very much could be a portal. 191 00:08:23,103 --> 00:08:25,862 The significance of portals 192 00:08:25,965 --> 00:08:28,310 or dimensional gates, if you would... 193 00:08:28,413 --> 00:08:29,655 Mm-hmm. 194 00:08:29,758 --> 00:08:32,517 ...is that the Navajos themselves 195 00:08:32,620 --> 00:08:35,172 talk about a people coming to visit. 196 00:08:35,275 --> 00:08:38,827 Different dimensions are not like walls. 197 00:08:38,931 --> 00:08:40,275 If you can imagine... 198 00:08:41,137 --> 00:08:42,965 ...they're interlaced together. 199 00:08:43,068 --> 00:08:44,862 So, 200 00:08:44,965 --> 00:08:48,517 what if every now and then something just leaks through? 201 00:08:48,620 --> 00:08:50,620 -Mm-hmm. -You could travel, 202 00:08:50,724 --> 00:08:52,344 -we just don't know how to do it. -Yeah. 203 00:08:52,448 --> 00:08:54,344 Even the Navajo creation story 204 00:08:54,448 --> 00:08:57,827 talks about coming through several different worlds 205 00:08:57,931 --> 00:09:00,137 until they see a hole in the sky 206 00:09:00,241 --> 00:09:03,517 and they climb up into this world. 207 00:09:04,517 --> 00:09:07,620 We think that there's something going on with frequency... 208 00:09:08,379 --> 00:09:10,724 ...that is creating this effect. 209 00:09:10,827 --> 00:09:12,413 Wow. 210 00:09:12,517 --> 00:09:14,689 There's a lot more we need to look at up here. 211 00:09:14,793 --> 00:09:16,965 -All right. -So, we'll move along here. 212 00:09:19,068 --> 00:09:21,965 TOM: As we were looking at this spiral petroglyph 213 00:09:22,068 --> 00:09:24,379 described as a portal, Kandus and I realized 214 00:09:24,482 --> 00:09:26,482 there is some sort of connection here 215 00:09:26,586 --> 00:09:28,586 with what's happening on the ranch 216 00:09:28,689 --> 00:09:31,137 and possibly at the triangle. 217 00:09:31,241 --> 00:09:33,413 We've heard a lot of 218 00:09:33,517 --> 00:09:36,034 very interesting stories about seeing portals 219 00:09:36,137 --> 00:09:37,931 that opened right above people's heads 220 00:09:38,034 --> 00:09:41,689 and figures coming out of these portals. 221 00:09:42,517 --> 00:09:43,793 -It's amazing. -JON: Yeah. 222 00:09:43,896 --> 00:09:46,034 KANDUS: Oh, yeah. I see it. 223 00:09:46,137 --> 00:09:49,241 -TOM: Oh, and that's like a human... -KANDUS: It's another figure. 224 00:09:49,344 --> 00:09:51,758 One thing I've just thought about is, you know, 225 00:09:51,862 --> 00:09:53,896 just on this rock wall right here, 226 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,068 and it is speculation and inference... 227 00:09:56,172 --> 00:09:57,724 -Right. -TOM: But... 228 00:09:57,827 --> 00:10:00,034 we could have a skinwalker shape-shifter. 229 00:10:00,137 --> 00:10:01,620 We could have... 230 00:10:01,724 --> 00:10:03,482 -aliens. -Somebody coming through another dimension. 231 00:10:03,586 --> 00:10:06,482 -Through other dimensions. -JON: Right. 232 00:10:06,586 --> 00:10:08,689 The idea of Navajo skinwalkers, 233 00:10:08,793 --> 00:10:12,379 gods coming from the sky, 234 00:10:12,482 --> 00:10:14,586 even UFOs, 235 00:10:14,689 --> 00:10:17,551 all had one thing in common and that's this idea 236 00:10:17,655 --> 00:10:20,724 of dimensions and portals, 237 00:10:20,827 --> 00:10:23,896 and it's the one thing that ties everything together. 238 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,137 With the spirals back here that you were 239 00:10:26,241 --> 00:10:29,689 talking about could be indicative of-of a portal, 240 00:10:29,793 --> 00:10:31,586 it could be that it was right here 241 00:10:31,689 --> 00:10:33,068 or maybe off in the distance? 242 00:10:33,172 --> 00:10:34,586 What do you think? 243 00:10:34,689 --> 00:10:36,517 It-it could be a whole range of things. 244 00:10:36,620 --> 00:10:37,896 We've actually 245 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,068 had stories involving UAPs that have 246 00:10:42,172 --> 00:10:45,689 entered into mesas... 247 00:10:47,344 --> 00:10:50,137 ...and just gone right into the rock. 248 00:10:57,448 --> 00:10:59,689 This idea of portals, of dimensions, 249 00:10:59,793 --> 00:11:04,413 it all ties together, and that's what we're seeing with a lot 250 00:11:04,517 --> 00:11:06,896 of these places and I think that's what you're 251 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,241 experiencing in the Uinta Basin there. 252 00:11:09,344 --> 00:11:13,275 A lot of phenomenon that's associated 253 00:11:13,379 --> 00:11:15,172 with cross-dimensional things going on. 254 00:11:15,275 --> 00:11:17,758 KANDUS: Wow. We'd really love 255 00:11:17,862 --> 00:11:20,586 to have you come to the ranch and look at a few things. 256 00:11:20,689 --> 00:11:22,034 Based on what you've told us today 257 00:11:22,137 --> 00:11:23,896 and your interpretation of these panels, 258 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,068 I think there's a good chance that the same 259 00:11:27,172 --> 00:11:28,724 people that were here 260 00:11:28,827 --> 00:11:31,206 could've very well been on our ranch at one point. 261 00:11:31,310 --> 00:11:33,689 I think we'd both benefit 262 00:11:33,793 --> 00:11:37,137 from you coming to the ranch and giving your insight to 263 00:11:37,241 --> 00:11:39,172 -what we've seen there. -TOM: We have some 264 00:11:39,275 --> 00:11:41,758 very interesting things right on the Skinwalker Ranch. 265 00:11:41,862 --> 00:11:43,931 It might be things you've never seen before, so... 266 00:11:44,034 --> 00:11:46,413 -I'd love to come over there. -KANDUS: Great. 267 00:11:46,517 --> 00:11:48,068 TOM: Lead the way. 268 00:11:53,620 --> 00:11:55,758 TRAVIS: I think we should stop right here. 269 00:11:55,862 --> 00:11:58,000 Because of what happened last year with the sensors 270 00:11:58,103 --> 00:11:59,551 on Brandon's helicopter 271 00:11:59,655 --> 00:12:01,310 detecting an object right below us, 272 00:12:01,413 --> 00:12:04,310 and also, what happened just two weeks ago 273 00:12:04,413 --> 00:12:07,413 when we dropped GPS units into the triangle anomaly 274 00:12:07,517 --> 00:12:09,103 which appeared to just bounce off 275 00:12:09,206 --> 00:12:11,793 of an invisible object in the sky above the ranch... 276 00:12:11,896 --> 00:12:14,137 -Hey, Kendra, how are you? -Hey. 277 00:12:14,241 --> 00:12:15,758 TRAVIS: ...we really wanted to go further 278 00:12:15,862 --> 00:12:17,206 with attempting to map that anomaly. 279 00:12:17,310 --> 00:12:18,448 So, to conduct today's experiment 280 00:12:18,551 --> 00:12:20,275 above the triangle area, 281 00:12:20,379 --> 00:12:23,586 Cameron Fugal put us in touch with a pilot named Kendra Hart 282 00:12:23,689 --> 00:12:25,586 who's agreed to take Erik up in her Cessna 283 00:12:25,689 --> 00:12:27,310 to help us collect our data. 284 00:12:27,413 --> 00:12:30,137 Since you fly out here, have you flown over the property? 285 00:12:30,241 --> 00:12:31,655 The ranch itself? 286 00:12:31,758 --> 00:12:33,103 I have not. 287 00:12:33,206 --> 00:12:35,068 Most of my students stay further west and so, 288 00:12:35,172 --> 00:12:36,862 this will be my first time this far out east 289 00:12:36,965 --> 00:12:38,275 and especially over the ranch, so... 290 00:12:38,379 --> 00:12:40,000 -ERIK: Really? -Yeah, it will be my first time. 291 00:12:40,103 --> 00:12:41,827 -ERIK: First time? -First time. -TRAVIS: So... 292 00:12:41,931 --> 00:12:45,517 What we want to do is fly from here over to the ranch. 293 00:12:45,620 --> 00:12:47,137 When you get there, 294 00:12:47,241 --> 00:12:49,413 we would like for you to do a grid pattern, 295 00:12:49,517 --> 00:12:51,931 at, uh, five different altitudes. 296 00:12:52,034 --> 00:12:53,827 Erik will show you the points of interest, 297 00:12:53,931 --> 00:12:55,862 but there's a triangle right in the middle of the property 298 00:12:55,965 --> 00:12:58,310 and directly above that, 299 00:12:58,413 --> 00:13:01,551 between, say, 2,500 and 5,000 feet, 300 00:13:01,655 --> 00:13:03,172 we've seen some weird things. 301 00:13:03,275 --> 00:13:05,206 -KENDRA: Okay. -And, so we're hoping to get 302 00:13:05,310 --> 00:13:07,551 some instrumentation in that area 303 00:13:07,655 --> 00:13:09,517 and see if we can figure out what those weird things are. 304 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:11,724 -Awesome. -TRAVIS: One thing that, 305 00:13:11,827 --> 00:13:14,620 uh, not to scare you, but occasionally, 306 00:13:14,724 --> 00:13:16,379 when people are on the ranch and even 307 00:13:16,482 --> 00:13:18,551 above the ranch have 308 00:13:18,655 --> 00:13:21,172 sort of a physiological response to being there. 309 00:13:21,275 --> 00:13:23,034 If you start feeling anything at any point, 310 00:13:23,137 --> 00:13:24,344 you know, you're the pilot, 311 00:13:24,448 --> 00:13:26,206 if it's time to abort the mission 312 00:13:26,310 --> 00:13:28,172 'cause you got a weird feeling, then you abort the mission. 313 00:13:28,275 --> 00:13:29,724 -All right? -Mm-hmm. 314 00:13:29,827 --> 00:13:32,034 Well, we've got some work to do to get ready to go 315 00:13:32,137 --> 00:13:33,413 and you may have some flight prep 316 00:13:33,517 --> 00:13:34,896 -or something. -Absolutely. 317 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,103 So, we'll be maybe in and out of the cargo area 318 00:13:37,206 --> 00:13:39,896 -for the next couple minutes and then we'll be ready to go. -Okay. 319 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,068 -Let's get it done. -TRAVIS: All right, Erik, let's grab everything. 320 00:13:42,172 --> 00:13:44,655 ERIK: I'll be going up in the Cessna aircraft today 321 00:13:44,758 --> 00:13:46,551 with some GPS trackers 322 00:13:46,655 --> 00:13:48,620 and a data-logging radiation meter, 323 00:13:48,724 --> 00:13:51,655 our standard equipment set including our spectrum analyzer, 324 00:13:51,758 --> 00:13:53,379 Geiger counter 325 00:13:53,482 --> 00:13:56,551 and other local equipment to observe whether 326 00:13:56,655 --> 00:13:58,620 there are any GPS anomalies 327 00:13:58,724 --> 00:14:01,344 up near the 5,000-foot point over the triangle. 328 00:14:01,448 --> 00:14:03,103 TRAVIS: All right. 329 00:14:03,206 --> 00:14:05,448 I'm gonna close it up and then go put it in the plane. 330 00:14:05,551 --> 00:14:07,034 Sounds good. 331 00:14:07,137 --> 00:14:08,965 TRAVIS: Today, the plan is to fly 332 00:14:09,068 --> 00:14:11,965 the Cessna in a sequential push broom pattern over the ranch 333 00:14:12,068 --> 00:14:14,793 sweeping back and forth over the triangle 334 00:14:14,896 --> 00:14:17,586 at various altitudes. At the same time, 335 00:14:17,689 --> 00:14:20,034 using the GPS sensors to collect data 336 00:14:20,137 --> 00:14:22,241 that we hope will give us a three-dimensional model 337 00:14:22,344 --> 00:14:24,068 of the anomaly 338 00:14:24,172 --> 00:14:26,551 that we believe is up there somewhere between 339 00:14:26,655 --> 00:14:29,448 3,000 and 5,000 feet above the ground. 340 00:14:29,551 --> 00:14:31,448 -What do you got there? -This is your headset. 341 00:14:31,551 --> 00:14:35,241 -ERIK: Got it. -Okay, and then, this is the radio 342 00:14:35,344 --> 00:14:37,448 that we are using for the radio source. 343 00:14:37,551 --> 00:14:40,379 ERIK: For this experiment, we're also making use of 344 00:14:40,482 --> 00:14:42,620 a new avionic comm system, 345 00:14:42,724 --> 00:14:44,206 making it easier for us to directly 346 00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:46,620 communicate from the aircraft to the ground. 347 00:14:46,724 --> 00:14:49,206 I'm gonna head back over to the ranch. 348 00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:51,551 You guys get in the air. We're burning daylight, right? 349 00:14:51,655 --> 00:14:53,827 -See you. -All right, see you in a bit. 350 00:15:15,620 --> 00:15:17,793 ERIK: While I'm in the plane above the ranch, 351 00:15:17,896 --> 00:15:20,137 the rest of the team will be monitoring from below. 352 00:15:20,241 --> 00:15:23,103 I'm really excited to see what happens 353 00:15:23,206 --> 00:15:24,827 during the course of the experiment. 354 00:15:33,103 --> 00:15:34,862 THOMAS: I've got these antennas running. 355 00:15:34,965 --> 00:15:38,000 -This is going out to the two jaggies. -Okay. 356 00:15:38,103 --> 00:15:41,068 Once she gets over here, we should, uh, 357 00:15:41,172 --> 00:15:42,931 see her start tracking on there. 358 00:15:43,034 --> 00:15:44,344 THOMAS: Okay. 359 00:15:44,448 --> 00:15:45,689 We're going to monitor this experiment 360 00:15:45,793 --> 00:15:46,931 with a couple of different systems. 361 00:15:47,034 --> 00:15:49,137 First, we have an ADSB. 362 00:15:49,241 --> 00:15:51,689 Now, that identifies all the air traffic flying 363 00:15:51,793 --> 00:15:54,689 in the vicinity of the ranch and shows them on a map. 364 00:15:54,793 --> 00:15:56,689 We've also mounted two antennas 365 00:15:56,793 --> 00:15:58,172 on the deck of the command center. 366 00:15:58,275 --> 00:16:00,172 Those are pointed at the triangle 367 00:16:00,275 --> 00:16:03,034 to track the signals being broadcast from Kendra's plane 368 00:16:03,137 --> 00:16:04,827 as well as scan 369 00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:06,379 for any dangerous energy spikes 370 00:16:06,482 --> 00:16:08,241 like we've detected there in the past. 371 00:16:08,344 --> 00:16:11,000 All right, great. Ah, let me get this going. 372 00:16:12,103 --> 00:16:14,137 There it is, got it. All right, both are... 373 00:16:14,241 --> 00:16:16,931 Both antennas and radios are functioning properly. 374 00:16:17,827 --> 00:16:19,206 Hey, Kaleb. 375 00:16:19,310 --> 00:16:21,379 This is the command center, do you copy? 376 00:16:21,482 --> 00:16:23,241 Go ahead. 377 00:16:23,344 --> 00:16:24,931 Start keeping an eye out, 378 00:16:25,034 --> 00:16:27,034 probably five to ten minutes before we see them. 379 00:16:27,137 --> 00:16:30,206 10-4. You guys will be the first to know. 380 00:16:52,137 --> 00:16:55,068 This may be them right here 'cause this looks like... 381 00:16:55,172 --> 00:16:56,551 would this be Roosevelt right here? 382 00:16:56,655 --> 00:16:59,379 No. So, Roosevelt Airport is about right here. 383 00:16:59,482 --> 00:17:01,793 Oh, then why are we not seeing their ADSB take off? 384 00:17:01,896 --> 00:17:03,103 I don't understand that. 385 00:17:03,206 --> 00:17:05,172 THOMAS: We're not getting them. 386 00:17:05,275 --> 00:17:08,965 TRAVIS: So, we need to make sure that their, uh, ADSB is transponding. 387 00:17:09,068 --> 00:17:11,931 Even though the Cessna was approaching the ranch, 388 00:17:12,034 --> 00:17:14,586 it never showed up on the ADSB system. 389 00:17:14,689 --> 00:17:17,758 All the other air traffic in the area appeared on the map, 390 00:17:17,862 --> 00:17:19,620 and I could see with our antenna set up 391 00:17:19,724 --> 00:17:21,620 that she was still broadcasting. 392 00:17:21,724 --> 00:17:23,793 What could cause Kendra's plane 393 00:17:23,896 --> 00:17:25,655 not to show up on the ADSB like that? 394 00:17:25,758 --> 00:17:27,310 It makes no sense. 395 00:17:27,413 --> 00:17:29,517 -Why are we not... -We're not picking them up. 396 00:17:38,206 --> 00:17:39,517 Here. 397 00:17:40,482 --> 00:17:43,034 Hey, Erik, this is Travis, do you copy? 398 00:17:45,586 --> 00:17:48,689 We-we are not seeing you on the ADSB. 399 00:17:52,517 --> 00:17:54,965 I wonder if Kaleb's gotten eyes on them. 400 00:17:55,068 --> 00:17:56,724 Yeah, call Kaleb and ask him. 401 00:18:00,068 --> 00:18:01,413 Go ahead. 402 00:18:01,517 --> 00:18:03,689 Have you gotten eyes on the plane yet? 403 00:18:03,793 --> 00:18:05,724 10-4. 404 00:18:05,827 --> 00:18:08,586 It's, uh, going over the property now. 405 00:18:20,137 --> 00:18:22,068 THOMAS: What the heck is going on up there? 406 00:18:29,241 --> 00:18:32,896 So... why are we not picking her up? 407 00:18:34,034 --> 00:18:35,655 Hey, Erik, it's Bryant. 408 00:18:35,758 --> 00:18:39,827 We are still not picking you up on the flight tracker. 409 00:18:39,931 --> 00:18:44,137 Do you have any other traffic on the display right now? 410 00:18:44,241 --> 00:18:45,965 -Tell him yes. -Yes, we do. 411 00:18:46,068 --> 00:18:48,482 We are seeing all sorts of air traffic. 412 00:18:50,586 --> 00:18:52,620 But she's broadcasting on the ADSB. 413 00:18:52,724 --> 00:18:54,241 I'm watching her. 414 00:18:54,344 --> 00:18:56,137 This is her, right here with both antennas. 415 00:18:56,241 --> 00:18:57,689 She's broadcasting... 416 00:18:57,793 --> 00:18:58,965 -Yeah, I can see that. -TRAVIS: ...the signal. 417 00:19:00,517 --> 00:19:01,862 THOMAS: I mean, this is picking up 418 00:19:01,965 --> 00:19:04,034 planes that are a hundred miles away 419 00:19:04,137 --> 00:19:05,793 -and 30,000 feet up. -TRAVIS: That doesn't... 420 00:19:05,896 --> 00:19:07,482 That doesn't make any sense. 421 00:19:09,137 --> 00:19:11,896 I had antennas that were tuned to that frequency, 422 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,862 and I could pick up the signal coming from the airplane, 423 00:19:14,965 --> 00:19:15,965 but for some reason 424 00:19:16,068 --> 00:19:18,379 her system isn't working. 425 00:19:18,482 --> 00:19:20,862 This is what's so weird about the ranch. 426 00:19:20,965 --> 00:19:23,034 One thing we do know is, 427 00:19:23,137 --> 00:19:27,344 uh, her system does record the ADSB data, 428 00:19:27,448 --> 00:19:29,896 and even though we will get a text file 429 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,241 that we can reinterpret after the flight, but I wanted it now. 430 00:19:35,482 --> 00:19:37,034 TRAVIS: It wasn't ideal, 431 00:19:37,137 --> 00:19:40,310 but we knew that Erik was collecting GPS data 432 00:19:40,413 --> 00:19:44,344 and Kendra was recording the ADSB data. 433 00:19:44,448 --> 00:19:47,344 We hoped that would be enough to salvage some of this experiment. 434 00:19:47,448 --> 00:19:49,137 So should I still keep going over or...? 435 00:19:49,241 --> 00:19:50,413 ERIK: Oh, yeah. 436 00:19:57,379 --> 00:19:59,206 Over the middle of the triangle. 437 00:19:59,310 --> 00:20:01,275 -All right. -THOMAS: Got it. 438 00:20:01,379 --> 00:20:03,655 Wait, is that-- There they are. Right there, look. 439 00:20:03,758 --> 00:20:05,275 Thomas, in the middle. Look in the middle. 440 00:20:05,379 --> 00:20:06,620 -Look way up there. -Okay, yup. 441 00:20:06,724 --> 00:20:07,689 TRAVIS: There they are, right there. 442 00:20:07,793 --> 00:20:09,896 November 8-4-7-1-7, 443 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,413 could you tell us your pressure altitude, please? 444 00:20:15,896 --> 00:20:17,344 TRAVIS: So, that's... 445 00:20:17,448 --> 00:20:19,275 Going up to 4,000 feet above ground level. 446 00:20:19,379 --> 00:20:20,620 Gosh, she's moving fast. 447 00:20:22,034 --> 00:20:24,206 Thomas, I got them coming in eastbound 448 00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:25,724 over the triangle again. 449 00:20:26,827 --> 00:20:28,551 TRAVIS: While Erik and Kendra were continuing 450 00:20:28,655 --> 00:20:30,551 their pattern sweep above the triangle, 451 00:20:30,655 --> 00:20:32,724 all we could do back in the command center 452 00:20:32,827 --> 00:20:35,724 was just hope that they were getting data that we could use. 453 00:20:36,793 --> 00:20:39,655 Hopefully, the GPS trackers are the saving grace 454 00:20:39,758 --> 00:20:41,344 for this experiment, because we're not getting 455 00:20:41,448 --> 00:20:42,896 -what we want out of this. -Yeah, 456 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,206 I'm hoping I can salvage something out of it. 457 00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:46,655 THOMAS: We have not had 458 00:20:46,758 --> 00:20:49,034 a single experiment out at the triangle, 459 00:20:49,137 --> 00:20:52,172 up in the air, that has gone per plan. 460 00:20:52,275 --> 00:20:54,551 So, what is it about the triangle 461 00:20:54,655 --> 00:20:57,379 and us trying to do experiments at the triangle 462 00:20:57,482 --> 00:21:00,310 that seems to trigger, you know, irregularities? 463 00:21:00,413 --> 00:21:01,896 BRYANT: It seems 464 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,931 like someone or something, doesn't want us 465 00:21:06,034 --> 00:21:07,482 to collect data from the triangle. 466 00:21:08,827 --> 00:21:10,758 That's what it seems like. 467 00:21:10,862 --> 00:21:12,620 It's a pattern. 468 00:21:12,724 --> 00:21:14,310 It's certainly making it hard for us. 469 00:21:23,241 --> 00:21:24,862 Copy that. 470 00:21:25,827 --> 00:21:28,103 [static buzzing] 471 00:21:28,206 --> 00:21:30,448 [static continues] 472 00:21:30,551 --> 00:21:33,000 What happened? What the heck is that? 473 00:21:35,172 --> 00:21:38,758 What just suddenly popped up on... What? 474 00:21:38,862 --> 00:21:40,482 THOMAS: That 1.6. 475 00:21:40,586 --> 00:21:42,448 BRYANT: It was there for a couple seconds, now it's gone. 476 00:21:42,551 --> 00:21:43,379 TRAVIS: It sure as heck was. 477 00:21:43,482 --> 00:21:45,206 [static buzzing] 478 00:21:59,551 --> 00:22:01,793 What are you hearing? 479 00:22:01,896 --> 00:22:04,413 [static buzzing] 480 00:22:09,931 --> 00:22:12,034 All right, what's going on? 481 00:22:12,137 --> 00:22:13,862 -We're not broadcasting anything like that. -TRAVIS: All right. 482 00:22:13,965 --> 00:22:16,000 So, yeah, we're not broadcasting anything like that. 483 00:22:35,275 --> 00:22:39,344 Negative, Erik, there's, uh, nothing within 484 00:22:39,448 --> 00:22:42,931 40, 50 miles of the ranch. 485 00:22:43,896 --> 00:22:45,586 [static buzzing] 486 00:22:45,689 --> 00:22:47,724 Is it another airplane? 487 00:22:56,586 --> 00:22:59,034 TRAVIS: We were all totally mystified 488 00:22:59,137 --> 00:23:02,965 when both Erik and Kendra, the pilot, suddenly reported 489 00:23:03,068 --> 00:23:06,172 that some kind of shadow was tracking along with the Cessna. 490 00:23:06,275 --> 00:23:08,827 BRYANT: That's extremely strange. 491 00:23:08,931 --> 00:23:11,241 TRAVIS: We checked our ADSB system 492 00:23:11,344 --> 00:23:13,551 and there was no other plane in the area. 493 00:23:13,655 --> 00:23:15,724 It immediately made me think of last year 494 00:23:15,827 --> 00:23:17,413 when Erik and I were 495 00:23:17,517 --> 00:23:18,931 in the helicopter with Cameron Fugal 496 00:23:19,034 --> 00:23:21,482 over the triangle and something showed up 497 00:23:21,586 --> 00:23:23,379 on his radar just 50 feet beneath us. 498 00:23:23,482 --> 00:23:26,068 [alert buzzing] 499 00:23:26,172 --> 00:23:28,344 There's something underneath us according to the radar. 500 00:23:29,034 --> 00:23:31,586 That we later identified in camera footage 501 00:23:31,689 --> 00:23:34,379 as some kind of shadowy UAP. 502 00:23:35,241 --> 00:23:37,724 THOMAS: Kaleb, do you have eyes 503 00:23:37,827 --> 00:23:39,068 on a second aircraft? 504 00:23:39,172 --> 00:23:41,655 I am scanning now. 505 00:23:47,137 --> 00:23:50,068 TRAVIS: Look at that. The 1.6 is going crazy. 506 00:23:50,172 --> 00:23:52,896 -[static buzzing] -I don't know what that is. 507 00:23:54,275 --> 00:23:56,724 TRAVIS: In the middle of all this chaos, once again 508 00:23:56,827 --> 00:24:00,344 the spectrum analyzer suddenly registered an RF radiation spike 509 00:24:00,448 --> 00:24:03,896 at a frequency of 1.6 gigahertz. 510 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,000 Now, that's the same kind of energy spike 511 00:24:06,103 --> 00:24:10,310 we've seen over and over when UAPs have appeared in the past. 512 00:24:10,413 --> 00:24:13,655 And it happened at the same time Erik and Kendra were seeing 513 00:24:13,758 --> 00:24:16,137 the shadow of some sort of mysterious aircraft. 514 00:24:16,241 --> 00:24:18,655 [static buzzing] 515 00:24:22,068 --> 00:24:23,137 TRAVIS [echoes]: What is that? 516 00:24:23,241 --> 00:24:25,310 [echoes]: What the heck? 517 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:27,620 What? 518 00:24:28,586 --> 00:24:30,620 Why is that picking us up? 519 00:24:31,517 --> 00:24:33,620 TRAVIS: Uh... It's picking us all up. 520 00:24:33,724 --> 00:24:36,620 Just after the 1.6 gigahertz RF spike 521 00:24:36,724 --> 00:24:40,068 in the control room, we suddenly heard our own voices 522 00:24:40,172 --> 00:24:43,655 being broadcast and echoing back at us. 523 00:24:43,758 --> 00:24:46,379 Call them and tell them to give me the signal. 524 00:24:48,931 --> 00:24:51,896 [echoing]: Stand by, stand by for one moment, please. 525 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,137 TRAVIS: There's no way that should have been possible. 526 00:24:54,241 --> 00:24:55,965 It was like we were being recorded 527 00:24:56,068 --> 00:24:58,758 by someone or something in real time. 528 00:24:58,862 --> 00:25:00,103 [static buzzing] 529 00:25:00,206 --> 00:25:02,413 [echoing]: Maybe it's in here. 530 00:25:10,103 --> 00:25:12,551 TRAVIS [echoing]: That is telling us that one of us 531 00:25:12,655 --> 00:25:17,448 is broadcasting at 1.623800 gigahertz. 532 00:25:17,551 --> 00:25:20,241 That is really odd. 533 00:25:21,379 --> 00:25:23,931 Erik and I have been having a conversation lately 534 00:25:24,034 --> 00:25:26,137 that we think that there could be 535 00:25:26,241 --> 00:25:29,000 an eavesdropping device here. 536 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,137 Maybe we've been detecting it with the spectrum analyzers. 537 00:25:33,241 --> 00:25:34,965 And it... 538 00:25:35,068 --> 00:25:36,620 That might be it. 539 00:25:36,724 --> 00:25:38,103 Really? 540 00:25:38,206 --> 00:25:39,965 And so, somebody is turning it on and off 541 00:25:40,068 --> 00:25:42,448 which is why we're not seeing it all the time. 542 00:25:42,551 --> 00:25:44,482 Possibly. 543 00:25:44,586 --> 00:25:47,310 The strange energy spike along with the sound frequency 544 00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:49,827 from the radio and our voices being 545 00:25:49,931 --> 00:25:52,896 broadcast and echoing back at us could mean 546 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,103 that we are being surveilled on the ranch. 547 00:25:55,206 --> 00:25:58,551 But what I can't even begin to explain, 548 00:25:58,655 --> 00:26:00,862 especially given that Erik and Kendra saw 549 00:26:00,965 --> 00:26:02,862 what they believed to be a UAP, 550 00:26:02,965 --> 00:26:05,689 is what the source of that surveillance could be. 551 00:26:05,793 --> 00:26:07,862 I'm gonna walk outside and see if somehow it's on me 552 00:26:07,965 --> 00:26:09,689 and then maybe you guys take turns. 553 00:26:09,793 --> 00:26:13,034 So, you go out and talk. 554 00:26:13,137 --> 00:26:15,034 -TRAVIS: Right. -We'll listen for you. 555 00:26:15,137 --> 00:26:17,689 -Okay. Yep. -And then we can send him out there with you. 556 00:26:19,827 --> 00:26:23,379 Hello, can you guys hear me? Hello, testing, testing... 557 00:26:23,482 --> 00:26:25,034 -Well, we can hear him. -Yeah. 558 00:26:25,137 --> 00:26:26,517 BRYANT: This has me really concerned. 559 00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:28,482 The fact that 560 00:26:28,586 --> 00:26:32,724 there is something or someone that could be listening to us 561 00:26:32,827 --> 00:26:36,448 and actually broadcasting our sound back to us again? 562 00:26:37,758 --> 00:26:39,206 Why is this happening? 563 00:26:39,310 --> 00:26:41,965 So, we could still hear you outside. 564 00:26:42,068 --> 00:26:43,551 Huh. 565 00:26:43,655 --> 00:26:45,896 BRYANT: Testing, testing, testing. 566 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,344 Are you guys picking me up at all? Testing, testing. 567 00:26:49,448 --> 00:26:52,344 THOMAS: The most troubling thing for me 568 00:26:52,448 --> 00:26:55,310 was hearing Travis, Bryant 569 00:26:55,413 --> 00:26:58,310 and myself being broadcast over this frequency. 570 00:26:58,413 --> 00:27:00,413 What in the crap does that mean? 571 00:27:00,517 --> 00:27:01,931 THOMAS: I've said before, 572 00:27:02,034 --> 00:27:04,275 is there not any safe place on the ranch? 573 00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:08,172 I would say now, is there any private place on the ranch? 574 00:27:11,034 --> 00:27:12,965 TRAVIS: The signal stopped. 575 00:27:13,896 --> 00:27:16,103 -What have we played with? -What just happened? 576 00:27:16,206 --> 00:27:18,931 TRAVIS: That was really odd. 577 00:27:19,034 --> 00:27:21,482 So, we are descending now... 578 00:27:34,965 --> 00:27:36,448 We were getting this interference 579 00:27:36,551 --> 00:27:38,551 on our, on our comms. 580 00:27:41,551 --> 00:27:43,344 BRYANT: Erik, I don't like that. 581 00:27:43,448 --> 00:27:47,275 I would advise that you come down, from a safety standpoint. 582 00:27:55,310 --> 00:27:57,689 ...head on back to the airport from there. 583 00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:08,517 Well, they're done. That's it. 584 00:28:08,620 --> 00:28:09,827 They're headed back to the airport. 585 00:28:09,931 --> 00:28:11,517 Erik's still got the handheld 586 00:28:11,620 --> 00:28:13,172 if we want to talk to him on his way, 587 00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:15,172 but they'll be at the airport in five or ten minutes. 588 00:28:15,275 --> 00:28:16,793 All right. 589 00:28:16,896 --> 00:28:18,620 TRAVIS: The main bit of data 590 00:28:18,724 --> 00:28:20,827 that we're really looking forward to 591 00:28:20,931 --> 00:28:23,517 is the GPS data that Erik and I put 592 00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:25,862 in the plane, it's collecting it real time 593 00:28:25,965 --> 00:28:28,275 on the computer so we know it's actually working. 594 00:28:28,379 --> 00:28:31,068 And when he gets on the ground and we crunch that, 595 00:28:31,172 --> 00:28:35,068 we're gonna be able to create a GPS anomaly map 596 00:28:35,172 --> 00:28:37,517 over the entire ranch from a thousand feet 597 00:28:37,620 --> 00:28:39,620 to 6,000 feet above ground level. 598 00:28:41,275 --> 00:28:42,655 They'll be there before I get there, 599 00:28:42,758 --> 00:28:43,827 so I probably need to get going. 600 00:28:43,931 --> 00:28:45,517 -Okay. -Okay. 601 00:28:48,551 --> 00:28:50,586 ♪ 602 00:28:56,448 --> 00:28:58,137 -TOM: Well, hey, Jon. -Hey, hello. 603 00:28:58,241 --> 00:29:00,034 TOM: After meeting 604 00:29:00,137 --> 00:29:02,586 with Jon at McConkie, it was obvious that he needed 605 00:29:02,689 --> 00:29:04,551 to come to Skinwalker Ranch. 606 00:29:04,655 --> 00:29:05,896 His interpretation 607 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,413 of the petroglyphs and pictographs 608 00:29:07,517 --> 00:29:09,724 that are up on the walls at McConkie Ranch 609 00:29:09,827 --> 00:29:13,068 could be really interesting to Erik and Travis. 610 00:29:13,172 --> 00:29:15,758 There's a lot of similarities in what we saw there 611 00:29:15,862 --> 00:29:18,241 and then there are some things here that 612 00:29:18,344 --> 00:29:19,724 I've never seen before and we hope 613 00:29:19,827 --> 00:29:21,241 you can give us some insight on. 614 00:29:21,344 --> 00:29:22,896 Right, I'd love to see them. 615 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,551 Let's jump in the Ranger and head down. 616 00:29:28,344 --> 00:29:31,896 KANDUS: We've found a strange notable location 617 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,413 on top of the mesa, 618 00:29:33,517 --> 00:29:35,206 and we are hoping to get his take 619 00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:36,586 on what it is. 620 00:29:36,689 --> 00:29:38,344 TOM: So, it is just right 621 00:29:38,448 --> 00:29:41,827 kind of at the top of this mesa, so it's a little bit of a hike. 622 00:29:42,793 --> 00:29:44,241 KANDUS: It's important that we explore 623 00:29:44,344 --> 00:29:45,862 what all these sites could mean 624 00:29:45,965 --> 00:29:49,862 in the bigger picture of the ranch. 625 00:29:50,827 --> 00:29:54,689 TOM: Yeah, so, this spot is some sort of mound. 626 00:29:57,344 --> 00:29:59,620 JON: Absolutely amazing. 627 00:30:02,655 --> 00:30:04,724 TOM: The fact that there's all of these stones 628 00:30:04,827 --> 00:30:08,413 around what seems to be some sort of mound 629 00:30:08,517 --> 00:30:10,551 in the very middle. 630 00:30:10,655 --> 00:30:12,586 What do you think? 631 00:30:12,689 --> 00:30:16,379 JON: I get the sense that this is something sacred here. 632 00:30:16,482 --> 00:30:18,482 That it was purpose-built. 633 00:30:18,586 --> 00:30:20,724 I was gonna make a suggestion. 634 00:30:20,827 --> 00:30:22,241 -KANDUS: Mm-hmm. -JON: Um... 635 00:30:22,344 --> 00:30:26,241 In a lot of native cultures, your... 636 00:30:26,344 --> 00:30:30,172 you approach things from a clockwise direction. 637 00:30:30,275 --> 00:30:34,793 So, uh, what I'd like to do is approach this and go around 638 00:30:34,896 --> 00:30:36,586 in a clockwise manner 639 00:30:36,689 --> 00:30:38,413 -and take a look at things. -Okay. 640 00:30:38,517 --> 00:30:43,275 It's just a sign of respect on any type of sacred site 641 00:30:43,379 --> 00:30:46,482 and we just want to honor that here. 642 00:30:46,586 --> 00:30:50,379 If you go counterclockwise, it's kind of a negative thing. 643 00:30:50,482 --> 00:30:52,965 -KANDUS: Let's do that. -Yeah, why don't you lead the way? 644 00:30:55,482 --> 00:30:58,137 JON: We got up to the top of the mesa there 645 00:30:58,241 --> 00:31:00,620 and to me it looked almost like 646 00:31:00,724 --> 00:31:03,310 a Stonehenge-type structure 647 00:31:03,413 --> 00:31:06,310 with these rocks in a circular pattern around there. 648 00:31:06,413 --> 00:31:09,793 Traditional beliefs with the Navajo are 649 00:31:09,896 --> 00:31:12,379 something that is brought up when you're a child. 650 00:31:12,482 --> 00:31:13,931 You grow up 651 00:31:14,034 --> 00:31:15,655 in that there is a certain way to act, 652 00:31:15,758 --> 00:31:17,275 there is a certain way to do things 653 00:31:17,379 --> 00:31:22,448 and so, you would start and go clockwise around it 654 00:31:22,551 --> 00:31:27,482 and come back to it to complete the circle before you entered. 655 00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:31,931 Um, that's just traditional-- most native tribes. 656 00:31:32,034 --> 00:31:34,413 KANDUS: So, I want to stop and show you something 657 00:31:34,517 --> 00:31:36,482 on this boulder. 658 00:31:36,586 --> 00:31:41,000 Maybe you want to step over and look at it here yourself 659 00:31:41,103 --> 00:31:44,413 for just a minute, but there were a few things... 660 00:31:45,517 --> 00:31:48,000 ...that seemed worth noting. 661 00:31:49,896 --> 00:31:51,275 What do you think of those? 662 00:31:51,379 --> 00:31:56,620 What I'm seeing here is four distinct lines 663 00:31:56,724 --> 00:31:59,137 that are carved into this rock 664 00:31:59,241 --> 00:32:01,758 and, uh, typically, 665 00:32:01,862 --> 00:32:04,068 they could be marking periods of time. 666 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,068 We don't know what the time was. 667 00:32:06,172 --> 00:32:08,206 -And then... -And around the side there, you'll see... 668 00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:09,793 You see right where you're standing. 669 00:32:09,896 --> 00:32:11,896 -You see that little... -Yeah. 670 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,413 We understand the erosion here, but that hole... 671 00:32:16,172 --> 00:32:18,724 -Right. -KANDUS: Yeah, so... 672 00:32:20,379 --> 00:32:22,206 That looks like it could be natural? 673 00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:26,310 Well, this one, uh, if you... if you sight through it, 674 00:32:26,413 --> 00:32:28,206 -it's right on the horizon. -KANDUS: Mm-hmm. 675 00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:30,206 JON: When you're looking at it. 676 00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:33,517 And during spring and fall, 677 00:32:33,620 --> 00:32:35,862 when the sun rises, 678 00:32:35,965 --> 00:32:38,137 it-it comes straight through this hole. 679 00:32:38,241 --> 00:32:40,000 TOM: Yeah. 680 00:32:40,103 --> 00:32:42,206 So, what do you believe this is? 681 00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:44,586 -This place? -This is, uh, 682 00:32:44,689 --> 00:32:46,551 is rather interesting. 683 00:32:46,655 --> 00:32:49,827 Uh, when I see mounds like this, 684 00:32:49,931 --> 00:32:53,206 it could be a holy place. 685 00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:55,965 I'm thinking here's a place 686 00:32:56,068 --> 00:32:57,965 where prayers were offered. 687 00:32:58,068 --> 00:32:59,413 A sacred place. 688 00:33:01,172 --> 00:33:03,103 I believe that this area was used 689 00:33:03,206 --> 00:33:06,344 as a talisman to keep the evil on that side. 690 00:33:15,206 --> 00:33:15,793 That's incredible. 691 00:33:15,896 --> 00:33:17,000 Hmm. 692 00:33:17,103 --> 00:33:17,965 JON: I'm thinking there's 693 00:33:18,068 --> 00:33:20,172 definitely something here. 694 00:33:20,275 --> 00:33:22,517 And I-I just, I can... 695 00:33:22,620 --> 00:33:25,137 -I can feel it in my bones, you know? -TOM: Mm-hmm. 696 00:33:25,241 --> 00:33:26,448 Yeah. 697 00:33:26,551 --> 00:33:27,689 JON: Well, let's continue around 698 00:33:27,793 --> 00:33:29,931 -and complete the circle. -KANDUS: Okay. 699 00:33:30,034 --> 00:33:33,241 JON: Looking at this place in its entirety, it struck me 700 00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:35,241 as a holy place. 701 00:33:35,344 --> 00:33:39,793 It could have been used as some kind of protection ceremony 702 00:33:39,896 --> 00:33:44,172 to keep whatever is historically here on Skinwalker Ranch 703 00:33:44,275 --> 00:33:47,689 from traveling over the mesa. 704 00:33:47,793 --> 00:33:52,103 And we have basically a spiral right here... 705 00:33:53,068 --> 00:33:57,344 ...that's been put into this ground here. 706 00:33:57,448 --> 00:34:01,068 TOM: And as we've seen today at McConkie 707 00:34:01,172 --> 00:34:03,068 and maybe here, that spiral 708 00:34:03,172 --> 00:34:04,793 is indicative of... 709 00:34:04,896 --> 00:34:08,068 A portal, a dimensional rift, an opening. 710 00:34:09,758 --> 00:34:12,965 JON: The ancient people that populated this land 711 00:34:13,068 --> 00:34:15,103 knew of this place. 712 00:34:15,206 --> 00:34:18,758 There's evil there, there is something that can kill you, 713 00:34:18,862 --> 00:34:23,517 whether it's skinwalkers or some kind of malignant power. 714 00:34:23,620 --> 00:34:25,344 So, it doesn't strike me 715 00:34:25,448 --> 00:34:30,241 as unusual, this spiritual idea, this warding off 716 00:34:30,344 --> 00:34:32,068 of what could come that way. 717 00:34:32,172 --> 00:34:33,586 TOM: So, Jon, 718 00:34:33,689 --> 00:34:35,517 you've enlightened us so much 719 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:37,586 and given us so much more to work on, 720 00:34:37,689 --> 00:34:39,758 and added greatly to our investigation, so... 721 00:34:39,862 --> 00:34:41,896 -Well, good, good. I'm glad. -Yeah. 722 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,689 Thank you for having me out here. 723 00:34:43,793 --> 00:34:46,896 Thank you for coming and spending this much time with us. 724 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,482 Yeah, let's head back down. 725 00:34:58,344 --> 00:35:00,103 ERIK: We're going to take a look at 726 00:35:00,206 --> 00:35:04,310 the data that we got out of the experiment with the Cessna. 727 00:35:04,413 --> 00:35:06,344 I've got our own data. 728 00:35:06,448 --> 00:35:08,448 We also have some data from the pilot. 729 00:35:08,551 --> 00:35:10,137 Oh, good. 730 00:35:10,241 --> 00:35:11,827 TRAVIS: The day after our Cessna experiment 731 00:35:11,931 --> 00:35:15,068 over the triangle, Erik has all the data sorted out. 732 00:35:15,172 --> 00:35:17,655 So, we're eager to see what he was able to collect, 733 00:35:17,758 --> 00:35:20,655 given all the bizarre things that happened during the flight. 734 00:35:20,758 --> 00:35:22,965 I'm glad that you had instruments on board 735 00:35:23,068 --> 00:35:24,379 because we got bubkes of data here. 736 00:35:24,482 --> 00:35:26,068 Right. 737 00:35:26,172 --> 00:35:28,310 Now, I know, during the course of the experiment, 738 00:35:28,413 --> 00:35:31,827 we could never pick her up on the radar. 739 00:35:31,931 --> 00:35:33,068 You're talking about the ADSB receiver? 740 00:35:33,172 --> 00:35:34,758 -Yeah. -THOMAS: Yeah. 741 00:35:34,862 --> 00:35:37,482 Yeah, we saw you leave Roosevelt and go back to Roosevelt, 742 00:35:37,586 --> 00:35:39,137 -but that's it. -ERIK: Right after 743 00:35:39,241 --> 00:35:41,310 all the frustrations I know we had on the ground. 744 00:35:41,413 --> 00:35:44,482 I mean, the stuff that I got out of the actual data logging, 745 00:35:44,586 --> 00:35:46,137 it's really perplexing. 746 00:35:46,241 --> 00:35:47,827 Get this. 747 00:35:47,931 --> 00:35:49,379 These little guys, they receive signals 748 00:35:49,482 --> 00:35:51,034 directly from the satellites. 749 00:35:51,137 --> 00:35:52,448 They're GPS tracker units. 750 00:35:52,551 --> 00:35:55,275 I had five of these things on the flight. 751 00:35:55,379 --> 00:36:00,241 The data from four of the five was either absent or garbled. 752 00:36:00,344 --> 00:36:01,862 And get this. 753 00:36:01,965 --> 00:36:04,310 The one that worked, it's flawless. 754 00:36:04,413 --> 00:36:06,896 This is really suggestive 755 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,206 that there is something locally going on here. 756 00:36:09,965 --> 00:36:11,137 TRAVIS: Well, let's see it. 757 00:36:11,241 --> 00:36:13,448 Yeah, let me bring this up. 758 00:36:18,241 --> 00:36:20,793 ERIK: So, here we are at the Roosevelt airstrip. 759 00:36:20,896 --> 00:36:22,517 And we did, just as planned, 760 00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:26,310 we did several altitudes making those S-turns 761 00:36:26,413 --> 00:36:29,137 and, uh, doing what we call the push broom pattern. 762 00:36:29,241 --> 00:36:31,793 TRAVIS: So, you said that her system data-logged... 763 00:36:31,896 --> 00:36:33,862 -ERIK: Uh-huh. -...uh, on board. So, what did it show? 764 00:36:33,965 --> 00:36:35,379 You're not going to believe this. 765 00:36:35,482 --> 00:36:38,896 So, this is what one of our units got. 766 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,551 -And as I said, it looks pristine. -TRAVIS: It really does. 767 00:36:42,655 --> 00:36:43,896 THOMAS: I don't see anything in that, 768 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,655 that looks like anything jumped out of... 769 00:36:45,758 --> 00:36:47,172 BRYANT: I mean, yeah. 770 00:36:47,275 --> 00:36:48,724 Now, you guys are not gonna believe this. 771 00:36:48,827 --> 00:36:51,310 Let me show you what I received from Kendra. 772 00:36:54,827 --> 00:36:56,724 BRYANT: Uh... is that under the ranch? 773 00:36:56,827 --> 00:36:58,620 ERIK: So, yeah. I need to explain this. 774 00:36:58,724 --> 00:36:59,862 TRAVIS: Look at that. 775 00:36:59,965 --> 00:37:01,379 -Uh-huh. -That's interesting. 776 00:37:01,482 --> 00:37:02,793 ERIK: Just as you saw 777 00:37:02,896 --> 00:37:05,448 with the yellow tracks from our trackers, 778 00:37:05,551 --> 00:37:07,931 uh, you see the flight out. 779 00:37:08,034 --> 00:37:09,862 -Mm-hmm. -Okay? 780 00:37:09,965 --> 00:37:11,586 She's taking this path. 781 00:37:11,689 --> 00:37:15,310 We execute one loop, if you will, over the property 782 00:37:15,413 --> 00:37:17,000 and then everything falls apart. 783 00:37:18,965 --> 00:37:19,931 [scoffs] 784 00:37:20,034 --> 00:37:22,931 Many of the altitude readings 785 00:37:23,034 --> 00:37:25,206 that she reported were 786 00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:29,000 far beneath the ground; in fact, beneath sea level. 787 00:37:31,724 --> 00:37:33,931 And not just beneath sea level, but 62 and a half 788 00:37:34,034 --> 00:37:35,586 miles below sea level. 789 00:37:40,551 --> 00:37:42,482 -TRAVIS: 62 and a half miles? -ERIK: Yes. 790 00:37:42,586 --> 00:37:46,862 62 and a half miles is the altitude above sea level 791 00:37:46,965 --> 00:37:51,103 that is considered the von Kármán line 792 00:37:51,206 --> 00:37:52,931 where you go from atmosphere to space. 793 00:37:53,965 --> 00:37:56,103 THOMAS: And that's exactly 62 and a half? 794 00:37:56,206 --> 00:37:58,034 And this is-is exactly 62 and a half miles. 795 00:37:58,137 --> 00:38:00,137 So, why did this choose 62 and a half miles 796 00:38:00,241 --> 00:38:01,551 under the ground? 797 00:38:01,655 --> 00:38:03,931 What do you get when you go there? 798 00:38:04,034 --> 00:38:06,413 That is weird, though. 799 00:38:06,517 --> 00:38:08,793 But this also is not the first time we've had 800 00:38:08,896 --> 00:38:12,068 -GPS telling instrumentation that it's underground. -ERIK: Below ground. 801 00:38:12,172 --> 00:38:14,103 -I know. That's right. -ERIK: That's the point. 802 00:38:14,206 --> 00:38:17,620 ERIK: These blue cubes appear to be 803 00:38:17,724 --> 00:38:20,517 70 feet below the surface of the mesa. 804 00:38:20,620 --> 00:38:21,931 TRAVIS: Two weeks ago, 805 00:38:22,034 --> 00:38:23,931 when we flew up into the mile-high zone 806 00:38:24,034 --> 00:38:26,068 above the triangle in Brandon's helicopter, 807 00:38:26,172 --> 00:38:30,241 our GPS data indicated that we flew into the mesa 808 00:38:30,344 --> 00:38:32,793 and traveled through it for several hundred feet. 809 00:38:32,896 --> 00:38:35,068 It looks like you smashed into the mesa. 810 00:38:35,172 --> 00:38:37,103 What the heck? 811 00:38:37,206 --> 00:38:41,310 TRAVIS: Now, this new GPS data collected over the same zone 812 00:38:41,413 --> 00:38:43,448 above the triangle indicates 813 00:38:43,551 --> 00:38:46,310 that the Cessna went into and below the mesa 814 00:38:46,413 --> 00:38:50,620 the same distance that it is from sea level to outer space. 815 00:38:50,724 --> 00:38:53,068 What in the hell could that possibly mean? 816 00:38:53,172 --> 00:38:55,068 BRYANT: Given this, 817 00:38:55,172 --> 00:38:57,655 and especially the fact that it seems like 818 00:38:57,758 --> 00:38:59,241 we're being monitored out here, 819 00:38:59,344 --> 00:39:01,172 with that strange 820 00:39:01,275 --> 00:39:04,000 projecting of our voices remotely, 821 00:39:04,103 --> 00:39:07,827 it's definitely a security issue and so, 822 00:39:07,931 --> 00:39:09,517 I'm going to let Brandon know what's going on 823 00:39:09,620 --> 00:39:11,172 and I'm sure he's going to be curious 824 00:39:11,275 --> 00:39:13,137 to know what's going on with the data as well. 825 00:39:13,241 --> 00:39:16,517 You know, I'm trying to think of other ways to look 826 00:39:16,620 --> 00:39:19,172 at this anomaly other than just GPS systems. 827 00:39:19,275 --> 00:39:21,758 What if we got some telescopes 828 00:39:21,862 --> 00:39:24,482 and we looked through the anomaly, 829 00:39:24,586 --> 00:39:26,620 and if it is some sort 830 00:39:26,724 --> 00:39:28,344 of optical or gravitational anomaly, 831 00:39:28,448 --> 00:39:31,034 our atmosphere should change. 832 00:39:31,137 --> 00:39:33,586 And it should change in a way that it's not supposed to. 833 00:39:33,689 --> 00:39:36,137 And then, we would measure, "Hey, look, there's something, 834 00:39:36,241 --> 00:39:39,103 an anomaly there," and that would be data. 835 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,655 Well, I'm going to go call Brandon. 836 00:39:42,758 --> 00:39:44,931 Yeah, I'll reach out to the astronomy guys. 837 00:39:45,793 --> 00:39:47,379 TRAVIS: That's cool stuff, Erik. 838 00:39:49,551 --> 00:39:51,655 ERIK: Previous researchers have commented 839 00:39:51,758 --> 00:39:54,379 that theirs is the impression that the ranch phenomenology 840 00:39:54,482 --> 00:39:56,827 responds, if not anticipates, 841 00:39:56,931 --> 00:39:58,896 the experiments that they have attempted, 842 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,482 and we do see some support for that 843 00:40:01,586 --> 00:40:03,379 in our experience here over the years. 844 00:40:03,482 --> 00:40:05,689 Perhaps what we're seeing with the ADSB 845 00:40:05,793 --> 00:40:10,379 transponder data receiver is an example of that interference. 846 00:40:11,448 --> 00:40:15,862 TRAVIS: There are so many GPS anomalies that we're seeing. 847 00:40:15,965 --> 00:40:20,965 There could be actually some advanced physics 848 00:40:21,068 --> 00:40:23,034 like you would see in science fiction, 849 00:40:23,137 --> 00:40:25,344 or like the stories of portals opening up. 850 00:40:25,448 --> 00:40:28,344 Now, if that's the case, we could be on the edge 851 00:40:28,448 --> 00:40:30,586 of some amazing discoveries. 852 00:40:31,620 --> 00:40:33,586 BRANDON: Even with continued events 853 00:40:33,689 --> 00:40:36,379 occurring at the triangle, we have setbacks. 854 00:40:36,482 --> 00:40:39,758 It seems like something continues to push back on us 855 00:40:39,862 --> 00:40:41,379 and create obstacles. 856 00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:45,793 I think that just makes the team more determined than ever 857 00:40:45,896 --> 00:40:49,827 to try to find out what is behind 858 00:40:49,931 --> 00:40:51,655 a lot of the strange activity 859 00:40:51,758 --> 00:40:53,724 on Skinwalker Ranch. 860 00:40:59,068 --> 00:41:01,517 We would like to look through the anomaly 861 00:41:01,620 --> 00:41:03,586 at an astronomical object 862 00:41:03,689 --> 00:41:05,655 and see if they seem obscured. 863 00:41:05,758 --> 00:41:08,586 THOMAS: Erik, the cows have scattered through the entire field. 864 00:41:08,689 --> 00:41:11,068 Something's definitely scared them. 865 00:41:11,172 --> 00:41:13,103 TRAVIS: What the hell is that in the sky? 866 00:41:13,206 --> 00:41:15,206 -CHUCK: That thing is big and spherical. -TRAVIS: Yes, it is. 867 00:41:15,310 --> 00:41:17,413 -It's got a black dot in the center of it. -What? 868 00:41:17,517 --> 00:41:19,724 There is something I'd like to get your eyes on. 869 00:41:19,827 --> 00:41:21,413 -TRAVIS: Whoa! What was that? -ERIK: There, there. 870 00:41:21,517 --> 00:41:23,482 TRAVIS: That's the brightest thing in the sky. 67338

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