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The first thought
of course is, the murderer.
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He's back.
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What's gonna
happen next?
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I mean, a hundred things
go through your head.
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He had to be stopped,
he had to be stopped.
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He could get up, you know?
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You don't know
what he's gonna do.
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Welcome to Very Scary People.
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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From the late
1960's until 1980,
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a sadistic predator was
on the loose in New York
and New Jersey.
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By all appearances, he seemed
like an unassuming family man.
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Just a regular guy.
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But he was preying
on young women.
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Abducting them then
torturing and killing them.
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His victims were
suburban housewives,
teenage girls and sex workers.
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Some of his high profile
murders occurred around
Manhattan's Times Square.
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But as it turned out,
his hunting ground
extended much further.
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This is part one of
The Times Square Killer.
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Whether it were
the girls and boys
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coming from the Midwest,
the south, etcetera.
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Times Square was
a destination
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you could come drink,
you could be an adult,
you could have fun.
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In the early 1970's,
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Times Square
allowed for a lot
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of people to engage
in street sex work
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as well as to engage
in other kinds of hustles.
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What is happening
in the 1970s is that
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serial killers target
sex workers because
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they are marginalized
and vulnerable.
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They are a part
of what is called,
"The missing missing."
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In other words,
they're already missing
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often from
their families
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and therefore when
they go missing,
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they are not reported.
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It was a busy
morning like any other
in New York City.
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Around 9:00 a.m.,
the fire department
got a call
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from the Travel
Inn Motor Hotel
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on 42nd Street
in Times Square.
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Employees had noticed
smoke pouring out
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of room 417 out
into the corridor.
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Firemen, went into a fourth
floor motel room here
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to find the source of smoke.
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That source was
two fires, one on each bed.
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A fireman
thought he saw people
lying on each bed.
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They, uh, took
their bodies out
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as best they could
with some help.
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I was prepared
to take the... take them
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and give them mouth
to mouth respiration,
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uh, recovery and
discovered they
were without heads.
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At first, since
they were headless,
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he thought they were
just mannequins.
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Then he realized
that it was two naked
young females.
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Their corpses have
been set on fire.
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The, uh,
heads and the hands
of both victims
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had been cut off.
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They were bleeding profusely.
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It was just
a really horrible scene.
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This killer went
to great lengths
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to destroy the women's
identities.
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Arson is a method
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of impairing
the investigation.
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Set the room on fire.
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Fire destroys
all the evidence.
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On November 29th, 1979,
a man identifying himself
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as a Carl Wilson of Berlin,
New Jersey.
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Checked in at
The Travel Inn
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near Times Square,
was given a key to room 417.
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At some point after
he checks into the hotel,
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he reaches out to contact
a couple of sex workers.
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He ended up bringing
two young women
upstairs with him.
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In the early
morning hours,
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smoke started coming
out of room 417.
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When Mr. Wilson
leaves the, uh, the hotel,
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he has a duffle bag.
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And he wanders through
The Old Crossroad
of the World,
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the neon of, uh,
Times Square
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at about 3:30
in the morning.
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And he's stopped
by two police officers
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who were concerned
for his safety
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as he walked
through Times Square,
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And he just explained
to the two cops that he was
staying at a nearby hotel.
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Everything was good, he was
getting something to eat
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and he walked away.
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If only police
had asked to see
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what was inside
the duffle bag.
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A lot of people figured
a psycho was on the loose.
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They called him
The Times Square Killer.
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He likes Times Square,
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where he could
wander around
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in the middle of
the night and
no one noticed.
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He would just kind of
turned into an animal
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when it was night time,
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and he would start
hunting women.
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It was chilling,
horrifying what
he did to people.
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What nobody knew
at the time of
the Travel Inn double murder
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was that the killer
had been hunting women
for more than a decade.
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And he wasn't just
doing it in Manhattan,
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he was operating
across the river
in New Jersey.
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Bergen County,
it's the north eastern
corner of New Jersey.
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It exist right across
the George Washington
Bridge from Manhattan.
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It has a couple
of smaller cities
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but is predominantly
suburban.
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Little Ferry,
New Jersey.
Small, blue collar town.
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Good people,
hard working people.
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And obviously
what we know is,
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it doesn't matter how
small the town is,
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how quiet it is,
how bucolic.
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It can always
be a location
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where a homicide
could occur.
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Nancy Vogel
was 29 years old.
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Nancy was married, two kids
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and she told her family
she was going out
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to play bingo
in the local church.
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She stopped at a discount
store called Valley Fair
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and she purchased
some items.
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When she didn't
return home at
her usual time,
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her husband
became concerned.
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As the hours passed
it seemed more and more
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out of character for
the young mother.
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So, she went
missing, her husband,
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called the police.
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There was a search
rather widely publicized.
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There were BOLOs as we call
them put out beyond lookout.
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Neighborhoods
were canvassed,
areas were searched.
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After two or three days
the concern
then changes to,
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"Well, you know, maybe
she just didn't run away."
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You rarely, rarely,
rarely ever see
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a mother run away
from their children.
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They don't.
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Three days after
Nancy Vogel disappeared
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two catholic school girls
were looking out from
a upstairs window
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and they saw what
looked like a mannequin
in a parked car.
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They went out
to investigate and
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they realized that
what they thought
was a mannequin
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was actually
the missing woman.
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Nancy Vogel's
killer didn't just stick
to the suburbs of New Jersey.
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The killer was
in Manhattan.
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He went into a bar
and ran into a woman there
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She starts to feel dizzy
maybe as if something
was slipped in her drink.
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She passes out.
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Three days after
Nancy Vogel, a young
mother disappeared,
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two school girls
came across her body.
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She was lying
in a parked car
on the street.
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Her body was
discovered in
her own vehicle.
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She was in the back
of the vehicle.
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She was naked
and bound.
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She had been
sexually assaulted,
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she had been beaten
predominantly on one side.
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Nancy Vogel's cause
of death was strangulation
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and also significant
blunt trauma.
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The primary way
serial sexual murderers
kill is by strangulation.
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The most efficient
way to kill somebody
is with a gun
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but they don't wanna
kill somebody efficiently
with a gun.
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They wanna control
their death and control
their agony,
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so that the victim
is aware of the power
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and control and domination
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that the offender
has over her.
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This is arousing
to the serial sexual
murderers.
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Her clothes were perfectly
folded underneath her.
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Inside the trunk
of her car were
shopping bags.
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Those bags had
come from a popular
store in the area.
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It was known
as the Valley Fair.
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Big super market,
everybody in the area
would shop there.
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So that would
have indicated
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that she had
done some shopping.
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Which then
immediately brought
us to the point.
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What happened
at Valley Fair?
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Was there somebody
in the store?
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Was there somebody
in the parking lot?
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Was there somebody
that she met?
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And I know law
enforcement worked
very hard.
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What happened at
the bingo hall? What
happened at Valley Fair?
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Don't forget,
there was no cellphones.
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There was no cameras.
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Okay and, you know
cellphones and cameras
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play a huge role
today in solving crimes
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because wherever
you are, you're on
camera, pretty much.
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So, you know,
law enforcement now
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has a lot of tools,
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they have a lot
more technology
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and crimes could
be solved in different
ways than years ago.
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So, it's a matter
of just trying to canvas
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who were the check out
people working that night.
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Was there a security detail?
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One of the leads,
uh, back then was
that someone
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allegedly saw her talking with
somebody that was a hippie.
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He had long hair
and I believe he wore
bell bottoms.
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But back in 1967
there were a lot
of hippies,
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so that kind of a lead
wasn't really gonna
help you too much.
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There were other leads
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and they were
all focused on
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apparently people
seeing her speaking
with others.
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But the fact
she was at the store,
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might have been
friendly with people
who were there,
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uh, didn't raise
any red flags.
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No one person
stood out suspicious.
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But detectives did
notice something odd
about the crime scene.
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One of the things that
was gnawing at police
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was that the vehicle
was locked
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that Nancy Vogel's
body was found in
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and that the keys
were missing.
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Were nowhere to be
found inside
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nor were they found outside
the vehicle.
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So the killer took
the time to lock
the vehicle.
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Whoever committed this crime
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took the car keys
most likely because
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they didn't want
some random person
opening up the car door.
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And this took
the investigation
in a direction
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that the detectives
had never expected.
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On the day
following the report
of her being missing,
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her brother showed up
at Little Ferry police
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and said, "My sister
is missing
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but I found her car keys."
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And gave the police
the keys to her car.
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This was shocking.
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Investigators knew that
whoever killed Nancy Vogel
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locked the car
and took her keys.
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They knew that
the keys were missing
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and when they saw that
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here's her brother
with the car keys,
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immediately that
makes him a suspect.
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Police thought
how could he have
his sister's keys
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if he didn't have
something to do
with the murder?
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But there was nothing
else indicating that
he was guilty.
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So he was a suspect?
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Nowhere near enough
to charge him
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Now, some police officer
made a mistake back then
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and shared that with
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one or more
of the family members
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which they should
not have done.
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Even though
her brother was cleared,
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some of Nancy's relatives
were convinced he was guilty.
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They wouldn't
find out the truth
for more than 40 years.
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Nancy Vogel's
killer continued to work
in the shadows.
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He didn't just stick
to the suburbs of New Jersey.
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The killer
was in Manhattan
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and he went into a bar
to have a drink and ran
into a woman there.
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A waitress,
named Karen Schlip.
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She was leaving
to go meet with
her boyfriend
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and she was approached
by a... a stranger wearing
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some sort of shaggy wig.
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He asked if she
was a hooker.
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Uh, she didn't really
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notice that he looked
a little off,
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you know and, uh...
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She said she was
not a prostitute,
they continued to talk
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and he identified
himself as Joseph Schafer.
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So after the two
are having a drink
at the bar,
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she starts to feel dizzy
maybe as if something
was slipped in her drink.
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She walks out
and starts to, uh,
wobble back home.
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At this point,
Mr. Schafer
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as she knew him, asked
if she needed a ride.
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She gets in the car
and she passes out.
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When she wakes up,
they're on the New Jersey
Turnpike
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at which point, Schafer
as she knew him
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shoved tuanols,
they're a barbiturate and
used as a date rape drug
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into her mouth and
she passed out again.
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The next morning,
Karen woke up in
a drainage ditch
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up in Bergen County,
New Jersey.
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She was revived
by a police officer
who performed CPR on her.
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When she finally stabilized,
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police had a lot
of questions about
exactly what had occurred.
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She's taken to the hospital
and, uh, they're looking
for a description
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but she's not really
able to give them
anything specific
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it's just sort of a vague
description of this guy,
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and it leaves police
with little to chase.
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Police soon realize
the name Joseph Schafer
was an alias.
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In the 70's
what was very
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normal was hitchhiking.
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A lot of these
young kids did it.
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That was the fatal mistake
they made that day.
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He is known
as The Times Square Killer
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but it really is a New Jersey
story because
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he was raised here
and a lot of his victims
were from here
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Basically his comfort zone
was right in Bergen County.
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In fact that's where
he lived this very
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unassuming, suburban
home life.
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He's living
in Lodi, New Jersey
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up in Bergen County
kind of a small,
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I guess bedroom
community for lack
of a better term.
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He was a average guy
who had a family.
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He had a wife and three
children, two boys and a girl.
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Had a home, had a job.
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And he was very
disarming to people
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because he didn't
look abnormal
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or disturbed or
deviant in any way.
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It was his averageness,
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his normalness that made
him particularly treacherous.
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Many serial sexual
murderers are married or
in committed relationships
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at the time they're going
out murdering people
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and they'll interview
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the wife and
the wife will say,
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"I knew something was
a little odd about the person
but I never ever thought
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in a million years that
he was going around
killing people."
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I don't even know
if it's cognitive dissonance
or something like that,
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I mean it's some
kind of remarkable
compartmentalization
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that it would take
to separate those
two lives.
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Teenage, Mary Ann Pryor
and Lorraine Kelly
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were going to the Jersey
Shore and they wanted
to get bathing suits.
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Neither of them
are old enough to have
a motor vehicle licence.
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So they were hitchhiking
to the Paramus mall.
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That was a way
of getting around.
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These are kids and,
uh, they figured they
can get away with it.
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Now, you gotta
remember in the 70's,
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what was very normal
was hitchhiking.
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I mean, you would
drive down the street
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and everybody would
be hitchhiking.
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It was absolutely dangerous
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for anyone to hitchhike
because you didn't know
who was picking you up.
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But a lot of these
young kids did it,
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and that was the fatal
mistake they made that day.
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When Mary Ann Pryor
missed her 10 p.m. curfew,
her parents got worried.
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They start calling her friends
and then they realize that
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Lorraine has also
not come home.
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So, now there's two
missing teenagers.
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They call the North
Bergen County police
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and they have
to wait 24 hours
to file a police report.
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At that point, Mary Ann
was actually still alive.
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From what I know
about it, he could
come to a hotel.
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And he had forced them in
by saying, you know, that
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go into the hotel room or else
I'm gonna hurt you.
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He's menacing, he's an adult,
he's pretty strong
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and basically forces himself
on them.
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They were tied to beds
so they couldn't
escape during the night.
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And eventually, he drowned
them in the hotel bathtub.
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This is really the
prototypical serial sexual
murder.
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The more
excruciating the pain,
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the more suffering the
victim experiences,
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the more arousing it is for
the offender.
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Marry Ann's family was
listening to the radio when
something shocking came on.
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So they hear that they found
these two bodies.
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There was a knock on the door
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and it was the worst news
any family could get.
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Your daughter is missing
with her friend
and it's days on end.
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And then you hear
on the radio that
they found two bodies.
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I mean, it is.
It is a scene
from an awful movie.
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Their bodies were discovered
in a construction site in
Montvale.
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They had both
been sexually assaulted.
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They had both
been beaten badly.
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They had to identify the girls
by jewelry that was found
on their body.
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The scene was a very difficult
one to process.
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You're not coming up with
fingerprints.
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Scene was not laned with blood
or other things that could
somehow give you clues.
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There's no evidence of
dragging.
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You know, when you're
on a construction site,
it's hard to tell.
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The murder of these two
children disrupted the sense
of security
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the people felt in the
New Jersey suburbs.
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When people in New Jersey
watched the news every night
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and they hear murder after
murder occurring in Manhattan,
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New Jersey seems pretty safe.
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The last thing you expect to
see, you know,
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cops finding bodies on your
doorstep.
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Those two girls were my age,
were found not far from where
I grew up in Bergen County.
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And I actually remember when
the bodies were discovered.
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The New York Daily Newsran
their pictures on the front
page.
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And I remember
that stuck with me.
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And I remember seeing
both of their eyes and
it made and impact on me.
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The law enforcement had no
idea whether the killer had
struck in this area before.
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It's strange because
there's a lot of deaths
in this area.
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He's not really travelling
that far,
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and there's all these
unsolved murders.
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But no one, at least
at the time, seems to be
putting them together.
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It would be decades before
anyone realized
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that the man who killed the
two teenagers was actually the
Times Square Killer.
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Welcome back to
Very Scary People.
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The Times Square Killer
continues to claim the lives
of innocent victims,
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leaving a trail of horrific
crimes in his wake.
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Meanwhile, police have no idea
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there's a serial killer
crisscrossing
the Hudson River,
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slaughtering women in
Manhattan and suburban
New Jersey.
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And this man has no intention
of stopping.
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He killed a 29 year old women
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and he killed 13-year-olds.
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It's just this weird
bottomless pit of horror.
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He could be today
responsible for anywhere
between 85 and 100
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of these types of homicides.
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In 2009 French documentary,
the killer seemed to take
pride
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in the way that he evaded
authorities.
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Maryann Carr lived in
an apartment complex
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in Little Ferry, New Jersey.
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She had been divorced
and recently remarried.
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She was an X-ray technician.
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00:24:18,931 --> 00:24:21,965
She was planning that day to
meet her mother-in-law and
just never appeared.
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So family members became
frantic, particularly because
her husband was out of town.
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00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,482
They reached out
to the police.
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00:24:28,827 --> 00:24:31,620
And it appears that she was
abducted.
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She was seen having
a confrontation with a man
in the parking lot.
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00:24:37,172 --> 00:24:40,655
And then she was taken away
by the killer.
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00:24:40,689 --> 00:24:45,344
He dumped her body in the
parking lot, I believe,
of the Quality Inn
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between a van and a fence.
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The hotel in suburban
Hasbrouck Heights, New Jersey
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was considered a safe place
by the guests and by the
workers.
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The Quality Inn in Hasbrouck
Heights, where I worked.
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My father was
a maintenance man.
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00:25:08,482 --> 00:25:12,724
I was looking for a part time
job, 'cause now the kids
were in school and all.
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He used say, need help with
the Quality Inn.
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00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:17,034
I said, okay...
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Doing what?
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Cleaning rooms.
Oh, all right.
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00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:23,758
I could do that.
Clean my house,
clean rooms.
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00:25:23,793 --> 00:25:27,206
My best friend worked there.
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00:25:27,241 --> 00:25:29,896
My sister-in-law worked there.
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00:25:29,931 --> 00:25:32,172
We were just a big family.
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00:25:32,206 --> 00:25:35,862
Some of our guests were
the Giants football players.
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00:25:35,896 --> 00:25:39,655
And they would watch cartoons
before they went to play their
game.
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00:25:39,689 --> 00:25:41,275
I used to talk to them.
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00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:43,103
Wrestlers would stay there,
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00:25:43,517 --> 00:25:44,448
businessmen.
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00:25:47,586 --> 00:25:49,551
Now, the hotel
was thrown into disarray.
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My father saw it.
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00:25:53,551 --> 00:25:58,517
And he was telling me,
"Elly, they found a body
in the parking lot."
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00:25:58,551 --> 00:26:01,827
That was just... that's all we
knew about Maryann Carr.
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00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,137
When she was found dead,
Carr also had marks around her
wrists and her ankles,
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00:26:10,172 --> 00:26:13,655
which indicated that she was
probably handcuffed at some
point.
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00:26:13,689 --> 00:26:16,137
There was a ligature mark
around her neck
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and traces of adhesive tape
around her mouth.
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00:26:19,344 --> 00:26:24,310
She had been bitten all over
the body, sexually abused.
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00:26:24,344 --> 00:26:29,862
We thought it was just some
nut, murderer, whatever dumped
the body there.
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00:26:29,896 --> 00:26:32,275
We did not expect the person
to come back.
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00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:33,758
But as time went on,
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00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:37,379
authorities would realize
that the killer
was a creature of habit.
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And the Quality Inn at
Hasbrouck Heights was one of
his favorite stops.
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He keeps coming back to
the Quality Inn.
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00:26:45,896 --> 00:26:52,448
And used it not only for his
deeds of murder and mayhem,
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00:26:52,482 --> 00:26:57,793
but he also was dating a woman
and brought her there a couple
of different times.
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00:26:58,931 --> 00:27:02,344
It is very, very typical for
any criminal
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00:27:02,379 --> 00:27:07,034
to operate where they feel
comfort and they feel
comfortable by familiarity.
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00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:15,241
As detectives
retraced the killer's steps,
they came up with a clue.
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00:27:15,275 --> 00:27:18,896
There was an eyewitness
who was driving past
the apartment complex
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00:27:18,931 --> 00:27:21,275
where the abduction
took place,
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00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:24,620
who thought that he had
actually seen the victim's
husband
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00:27:24,655 --> 00:27:26,344
in the rereview mirror.
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00:27:26,379 --> 00:27:28,655
Detectives questioned the
husband
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00:27:28,689 --> 00:27:32,241
to see if he was actually on
a business trip as he claimed.
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00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:36,655
But he was later able to
produce an alibi and clear
himself of any
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00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,517
wrongdoing or involvement at
all in the case.
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00:27:43,758 --> 00:27:47,344
What detectives didn't realize
was that Maryann Carr
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00:27:47,379 --> 00:27:49,482
and another victim had lived
in the same place.
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00:27:50,896 --> 00:27:53,413
Like the Quality Inn,
this was another example
of
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00:27:53,448 --> 00:27:56,068
the killer returning to places
that he was familiar with.
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00:27:57,379 --> 00:28:01,448
Two of his victims Nancy Vogel
and Maryann Carr
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00:28:01,482 --> 00:28:03,482
both lived in the same
apartment complex,
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00:28:03,517 --> 00:28:05,793
even though the murders
occurred 10 years apart.
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00:28:06,758 --> 00:28:08,448
They were sporadic events.
446
00:28:09,413 --> 00:28:11,551
It wasn't like...
447
00:28:11,586 --> 00:28:15,103
these things were happening
every week,
448
00:28:15,137 --> 00:28:17,103
and they would say,
"Hey, this is the same guy."
449
00:28:18,448 --> 00:28:21,896
Because you have couple of
years later a different
detective.
450
00:28:21,931 --> 00:28:24,413
Maybe some of these detectives
were transferred out.
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00:28:24,448 --> 00:28:26,724
Okay, so...
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could somebody say, it is
similar to something we had
a couple of years ago, yes.
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But the technology wasn't in
place back then that it is
now.
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00:28:36,344 --> 00:28:39,241
DNA would've made a difference
but obviously it wasn't there.
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00:28:39,275 --> 00:28:45,482
Many homicides are...
there's a family
or familial connection.
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00:28:45,517 --> 00:28:48,620
Many of them are based up on
crimes of passion.
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00:28:48,655 --> 00:28:51,448
But the ones that where the
victims
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don't have a connection
to the murderer,
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00:28:55,586 --> 00:28:59,724
those are the ones that are
difficult to really pinpoint.
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00:28:59,758 --> 00:29:03,586
It makes them also very
difficult to solve.
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00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:09,068
You have all these very tiny
police departments who may
not be tying things together.
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00:29:09,103 --> 00:29:13,551
Law enforcement has always
been a tribal sort of thing.
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00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:16,482
And the communication isn't
always there.
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00:29:16,517 --> 00:29:22,551
In Bergen County, there are 73
independent and separate
police departments,
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00:29:22,586 --> 00:29:27,344
69 municipals and at the time,
you had county police
and sheriff's department.
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00:29:27,379 --> 00:29:31,862
So communicating between
independent departments was
even more problematic.
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00:29:31,896 --> 00:29:36,206
Things back then were much
more manual, much more
written.
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00:29:36,241 --> 00:29:41,689
They had detective bureaus
and they would have
detective associations.
469
00:29:41,724 --> 00:29:46,000
These detectives from multiple
towns would get together and
share notes.
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00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:47,241
But that was about it.
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00:29:47,275 --> 00:29:52,034
It was hard.
It was hard, it was much more
challenging.
472
00:29:52,068 --> 00:29:56,482
There was no internet.
There was no way for the
jurisdictions to communicate
473
00:29:56,517 --> 00:30:00,275
and be like, maybe we've got
a serial killer here,
474
00:30:00,310 --> 00:30:02,793
maybe this is one person
committing all these crimes.
475
00:30:07,482 --> 00:30:11,310
The killer identifies
where he works and says
he has a computer job
476
00:30:11,344 --> 00:30:14,344
and his house in the suburbs.
477
00:30:14,379 --> 00:30:16,862
He was revealing facts about
his life.
478
00:30:18,137 --> 00:30:19,931
Doesn't make any difference
really what he tell them,
479
00:30:19,965 --> 00:30:21,517
cause his plan is to kill
them.
480
00:30:32,586 --> 00:30:37,000
In October 1978, as police
were trying to find out
the identity of a man
481
00:30:37,034 --> 00:30:40,103
who left a body outside a
New Jersey hotel,
482
00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:46,586
the Times Square Killer was
back in Manhattan doing
what he always did.
483
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:55,482
A sex worker named
Susan Geiger, who was
working the streets
484
00:30:55,517 --> 00:31:02,310
when a stranger who identified
himself as Jim approached and
offered her $200 for a date.
485
00:31:02,344 --> 00:31:05,448
She said she was booked up,
but gave him a phone number
to contact her at.
486
00:31:07,275 --> 00:31:10,103
This guy just seemed like
a nice person that needed
company.
487
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,689
And they met in an Irish bar
in Manhattan
488
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,827
in the shadow of the
Queensborough Bridge.
489
00:31:19,793 --> 00:31:22,275
Jim whipped out a big wad
of cash.
490
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:24,103
Claimed that he had won
the money gambling.
491
00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:25,655
He then,
492
00:31:26,448 --> 00:31:27,931
bizarrely,
493
00:31:27,965 --> 00:31:31,793
identifies where he works
and says that he has
a computer job
494
00:31:31,827 --> 00:31:33,517
and his house in the suburbs.
495
00:31:33,551 --> 00:31:35,241
All of which is true.
496
00:31:37,689 --> 00:31:41,482
In fact, the killer had been
working in computer technology
for more than a decade.
497
00:31:41,517 --> 00:31:46,275
He was employed as a mainframe
computer operator at a major
insurance company.
498
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:51,172
He was largely living
and doing his thing out in
New Jersey.
499
00:31:51,206 --> 00:31:55,551
Although, the whole time he
was employed, he was working
in New York City.
500
00:31:55,586 --> 00:32:00,862
And he began to get active
with prostitutes, sometimes
two or three times a week.
501
00:32:02,241 --> 00:32:04,758
He likes to get away with
things he's not supposed
to of.
502
00:32:04,793 --> 00:32:08,827
He would, apparently while he
was working at the insurance
company, just leave,
503
00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:11,931
go to sex clubs, do his thing
and then come back.
504
00:32:14,137 --> 00:32:16,586
And despite being married,
he was also dating a nurse.
505
00:32:17,896 --> 00:32:21,827
She was somebody that he met
when he was out carousing.
506
00:32:22,689 --> 00:32:24,241
He met her at a bar.
507
00:32:25,034 --> 00:32:26,896
And they had a fling.
508
00:32:26,931 --> 00:32:32,344
He actually stayed with her
as a boyfriend-girlfriend for
a period of time.
509
00:32:32,379 --> 00:32:35,827
In the meantime,
he still got his hobby,
510
00:32:35,862 --> 00:32:40,862
his extracurricular activity
while he's out, you know,
murdering women.
511
00:32:43,793 --> 00:32:48,034
For a guy to be in the
computer business in 1960s
is an anomaly, right?
512
00:32:48,068 --> 00:32:50,344
There weren't that many
computers.
513
00:32:50,379 --> 00:32:53,896
He's on the cusp of the
cutting edge, you know,
at that point.
514
00:32:53,931 --> 00:32:57,172
And he's pretty bright,
and he knows it.
515
00:32:57,206 --> 00:33:01,482
This is a guy who walked
around in a suit and tie,
516
00:33:01,517 --> 00:33:08,413
business person with a family
and a home in a New Jersey
suburb,
517
00:33:08,448 --> 00:33:10,827
and came and went and nobody
suspected him.
518
00:33:12,103 --> 00:33:15,482
But look at the monster that
he really was.
519
00:33:19,931 --> 00:33:22,896
To this point, he had been
meticulous.
520
00:33:22,931 --> 00:33:27,000
But now, as he is sitting in a
Manhattan bar with a sex
worker named Susan Geiger,
521
00:33:27,034 --> 00:33:29,965
he was giving away information
that could lead to his arrest.
522
00:33:31,758 --> 00:33:35,586
It does seem strange
that he's revealing facts
about his life.
523
00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:38,931
He's trying to make the victim
feel comfortable, relax them.
524
00:33:38,965 --> 00:33:42,310
He knows in his mind what
he's gonna do, but he doesn't
want them to be frightened.
525
00:33:42,344 --> 00:33:44,517
So he tells them about himself
and so on.
526
00:33:44,551 --> 00:33:47,620
From his perspective,
it doesn't make any difference
really what he tells them,
527
00:33:47,655 --> 00:33:49,448
because his plan is to
kill them.
528
00:33:51,241 --> 00:33:54,379
Susan and a customer were
talking in the bar,
529
00:33:54,413 --> 00:33:56,551
that's when he began to put
his plan into action.
530
00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:00,241
Susan gets up to go to
the bathroom,
531
00:34:00,275 --> 00:34:03,000
he orders a round of
screwdrivers
532
00:34:03,034 --> 00:34:08,103
hoping that the juice would
hide the taste of the pills
he wanted to slip her.
533
00:34:09,551 --> 00:34:11,379
It did, she passed out.
534
00:34:12,724 --> 00:34:16,344
It doesn't surprise me that he
would drug sex workers.
535
00:34:16,379 --> 00:34:17,482
It's interesting.
536
00:34:17,517 --> 00:34:21,068
Some serial sexual murderers
avoid prostitutes, why?
537
00:34:21,103 --> 00:34:24,655
Because prostitutes tend to be
street people, they're strong,
538
00:34:24,689 --> 00:34:26,482
they can take care of
themselves.
539
00:34:26,517 --> 00:34:30,206
And if you feel weak inside,
as so many of them do,
540
00:34:30,241 --> 00:34:32,862
they don't wanna tussle
with a prostitute.
541
00:34:32,896 --> 00:34:35,137
Because they may be
overpowered by the person.
542
00:34:35,172 --> 00:34:39,206
So what did he do, he drugged
them. Got them drowsy
and groggy.
543
00:34:39,241 --> 00:34:42,172
So he can dominate them,
so he can control them.
544
00:34:44,172 --> 00:34:47,965
As with other victims,
Susan Geiger was taken out
of Manhattan
545
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,965
and brought to New Jersey.
546
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,482
She recalls being driven in a
dirty, green Thunderbird
547
00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:59,275
and then waking up in
a hotel room.
548
00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:04,275
She had been tortured and
left for dead.
549
00:35:05,551 --> 00:35:06,965
But when the killer left,
550
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,344
she managed to call the police
and describe what happened
to her.
551
00:35:10,724 --> 00:35:14,724
In 2009 documentary, he
explained how excited he got
552
00:35:14,758 --> 00:35:16,379
during these violent
encounters.
553
00:35:34,344 --> 00:35:38,034
But at this point,
the authorities still
did not see any pattern
554
00:35:38,068 --> 00:35:40,206
among all the suspect's
crimes.
555
00:35:41,551 --> 00:35:43,275
And at the insurance company
where he worked,
556
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:45,896
he behaved as if he didn't
have any care in the world.
557
00:35:47,413 --> 00:35:48,896
He would disappear.
558
00:35:48,931 --> 00:35:51,275
You know, he'd be gone for
hours at a time.
559
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:56,724
And his bosses didn't seem to
mind or do anything about it.
560
00:35:56,758 --> 00:35:59,206
There again,
he's a pretty bright guy.
561
00:35:59,241 --> 00:36:03,655
And when he did show up,
he was supposedly
a good worker.
562
00:36:03,689 --> 00:36:07,931
Even at the office, parts of
his real personality were
coming through.
563
00:36:07,965 --> 00:36:09,793
He always seem to have
a lot of money.
564
00:36:09,827 --> 00:36:12,344
And it was never clear where
he got the money from.
565
00:36:12,379 --> 00:36:14,689
But he bragged about being
a very successful gambler.
566
00:36:16,172 --> 00:36:19,931
Some coworkers accused him
of stealing keys to their
desks
567
00:36:19,965 --> 00:36:21,931
and taking things that didn't
belong to him.
568
00:36:24,827 --> 00:36:27,310
I don't whether he was
actually a loan shark,
569
00:36:27,344 --> 00:36:30,724
but he was loaning money
to coworkers.
570
00:36:30,758 --> 00:36:33,103
He was known to have
extra cash.
571
00:36:33,137 --> 00:36:36,517
So he'd be somebody that
they would go to, you know,
for this.
572
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,655
At his job, he was talking to
his friends
573
00:36:41,689 --> 00:36:45,103
about prostitutes and women
and this sort of things.
574
00:36:45,137 --> 00:36:46,827
It's a little bit off color.
575
00:36:46,862 --> 00:36:50,241
Now, after his coworkers found
out what he did,
576
00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:53,310
they now look back and see it
in much different way.
577
00:36:56,379 --> 00:36:58,275
He loved the cat and mouse
game.
578
00:37:05,068 --> 00:37:09,517
He said to his coworkers when
they discussed the murders,
579
00:37:09,551 --> 00:37:12,413
he said, it could be you,
could be me,
could be anybody.
580
00:37:24,413 --> 00:37:28,724
In 1979, the vicious assaults
against women in New York
and New Jersey
581
00:37:28,758 --> 00:37:30,862
only seemed to be getting
worse.
582
00:37:30,896 --> 00:37:34,758
His attacks appeared to ramp
up in terms of violence
583
00:37:34,793 --> 00:37:40,000
and maybe leaving
little clues behind for
investigators.
584
00:37:40,034 --> 00:37:44,724
People lived in fear and the
Times Square Killer's exploits
were splashed across the
585
00:37:44,758 --> 00:37:46,758
front pages of the tabloids.
586
00:37:46,793 --> 00:37:48,758
He loved the cat and mouse
game.
587
00:37:48,793 --> 00:37:51,275
He definitely did.
588
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:55,655
In 2009, in the documentary,
he told journalist
Nadia Fezzani
589
00:37:55,689 --> 00:37:57,689
about his compulsion
to continue his spree.
590
00:38:21,379 --> 00:38:23,586
Around
2 o'clock this morning,
this young woman
591
00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:25,689
dressed in a beige skirt
and jacket
592
00:38:25,724 --> 00:38:29,931
checked into a room on the
11th floor of the Seville
Hotel on East 29th Street.
593
00:38:31,413 --> 00:38:35,068
He was with a sex worker
by the name of
Jean Marie Reyner.
594
00:38:35,103 --> 00:38:37,689
Shortly after
8 a.m., a hotel employee
595
00:38:37,724 --> 00:38:40,275
discovered her room
filled with smoke.
596
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:47,034
She's found in the room
strangled. And now,
unlike the previous case,
597
00:38:47,068 --> 00:38:51,344
where he'd killed two women
in a hotel in
the Times Square area,
598
00:38:51,379 --> 00:38:54,206
her head and her hands
were intact.
599
00:38:54,241 --> 00:38:56,413
Yet, the killer still
mutilated the body.
600
00:38:57,896 --> 00:39:01,241
Before he departed the room,
he lit the mattress on fire.
601
00:39:03,586 --> 00:39:05,827
In the 2009 documentary,
602
00:39:05,862 --> 00:39:10,896
journalist Nadia Fezzani asked
the killer, why he decided to
mutilate the body.
603
00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:12,793
I mean,
she was already dead.
604
00:39:12,827 --> 00:39:14,827
I mean, it wasn't something
that she was alive.
605
00:39:21,827 --> 00:39:25,275
The killer said that he wanted
sensationalism and now
he was getting it.
606
00:39:26,862 --> 00:39:31,551
This was exactly the kind of
crime that the tabloids
existed to cover.
607
00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:33,413
Right near Wheelhouse,
608
00:39:34,448 --> 00:39:37,103
he's in Times Square
all of a sudden.
609
00:39:37,137 --> 00:39:39,758
You know, the bright lights of
Broadway or whatever.
610
00:39:39,793 --> 00:39:42,275
There's more attention,
more media.
611
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,586
For a brief period, it seemed
like everyone in New York
612
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:47,310
was talking about the
Times Square Killer.
613
00:39:47,344 --> 00:39:49,896
It's interesting that he said
to his coworkers,
614
00:39:49,931 --> 00:39:52,655
when they discussed the Times
Square murders and so on,
615
00:39:52,689 --> 00:39:55,827
it could be you, it could be
me, it could be anybody.
616
00:39:59,482 --> 00:40:03,000
A housekeeper
walked into room 132.
617
00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:06,931
She says, I hit something
under the bed
and it was an arm.
618
00:40:06,965 --> 00:40:10,586
Not just an arm,
it's a whole body.
619
00:40:12,103 --> 00:40:13,793
He was above the law.
620
00:40:13,827 --> 00:40:16,482
It was going to be his show.
621
00:40:16,517 --> 00:40:20,448
He wanted to see what it
felt like to have someone
under his control.
622
00:40:20,482 --> 00:40:23,827
It comes down to him being
a control freak
623
00:40:23,862 --> 00:40:26,965
and doing whatever he wants to
do and getting away with it.
624
00:40:28,965 --> 00:40:34,413
And this car pulls up.
And this guy with this stupid,
smirky smile.
625
00:40:34,448 --> 00:40:38,241
I just got this weird danger
feeling.
626
00:40:38,275 --> 00:40:41,448
Stranger danger.
And he kept looking at me.
627
00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:44,172
It was horrifying, horrifying.
628
00:40:44,206 --> 00:40:48,379
They're looking around
and they stumble upon
a trophy room.
629
00:40:48,413 --> 00:40:52,034
He's got a place where he's
keeping these little trinkets
630
00:40:52,068 --> 00:40:55,931
to stimulate his fantasies in
the future.
631
00:40:55,965 --> 00:40:59,896
One of the police came in the
side door with a shotgun
632
00:40:59,931 --> 00:41:02,137
and they were aiming it
at this guy.
633
00:41:02,172 --> 00:41:05,448
There's tons of unsolved
crimes in New Jersey and
New York.
634
00:41:05,482 --> 00:41:09,206
These are names that I will
never forget.
635
00:41:09,241 --> 00:41:13,000
We're gonna be hearing about
victims of his for decades.
636
00:41:17,068 --> 00:41:20,620
As the Times Square Killer
continued his deadly campaign,
637
00:41:20,655 --> 00:41:23,689
detectives were wondering when
he would slip up.
638
00:41:23,724 --> 00:41:26,137
And who exactly was this man?
639
00:41:26,172 --> 00:41:29,965
What could possibly drive
someone to such a level of
evil and depravity?
640
00:41:30,551 --> 00:41:32,000
Sinister double life,
641
00:41:32,034 --> 00:41:33,793
shocking confessions
642
00:41:33,827 --> 00:41:36,655
and dark secrets revealed in
part two of
643
00:41:37,206 --> 00:41:38,827
the Times Square Killer.
644
00:41:38,862 --> 00:41:42,482
I'm Donny Wahlberg,
thanks for watching,
good night.
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