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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,965 --> 00:00:06,103 The first thought of course is, the murderer. 2 00:00:06,137 --> 00:00:07,068 He's back. 3 00:00:07,827 --> 00:00:09,517 What's gonna happen next? 4 00:00:09,551 --> 00:00:12,931 I mean, a hundred things go through your head. 5 00:00:12,965 --> 00:00:15,172 He had to be stopped, he had to be stopped. 6 00:00:15,965 --> 00:00:17,448 He could get up, you know? 7 00:00:17,482 --> 00:00:18,793 You don't know what he's gonna do. 8 00:00:43,137 --> 00:00:44,827 Welcome to Very Scary People. 9 00:00:44,862 --> 00:00:46,310 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 10 00:00:46,344 --> 00:00:49,413 From the late 1960's until 1980, 11 00:00:49,448 --> 00:00:53,275 a sadistic predator was on the loose in New York and New Jersey. 12 00:00:53,310 --> 00:00:56,344 By all appearances, he seemed like an unassuming family man. 13 00:00:56,965 --> 00:00:58,620 Just a regular guy. 14 00:00:58,655 --> 00:01:00,827 But he was preying on young women. 15 00:01:00,862 --> 00:01:04,034 Abducting them then torturing and killing them. 16 00:01:04,068 --> 00:01:08,586 His victims were suburban housewives, teenage girls and sex workers. 17 00:01:08,620 --> 00:01:13,172 Some of his high profile murders occurred around Manhattan's Times Square. 18 00:01:13,206 --> 00:01:17,206 But as it turned out, his hunting ground extended much further. 19 00:01:17,241 --> 00:01:20,137 This is part one of The Times Square Killer. 20 00:01:37,172 --> 00:01:39,310 Whether it were the girls and boys 21 00:01:39,344 --> 00:01:41,931 coming from the Midwest, the south, etcetera. 22 00:01:42,896 --> 00:01:46,862 Times Square was a destination 23 00:01:46,896 --> 00:01:49,862 you could come drink, you could be an adult, you could have fun. 24 00:01:55,724 --> 00:01:57,862 In the early 1970's, 25 00:01:57,896 --> 00:02:00,068 Times Square allowed for a lot 26 00:02:00,103 --> 00:02:03,310 of people to engage in street sex work 27 00:02:03,344 --> 00:02:07,241 as well as to engage in other kinds of hustles. 28 00:02:10,172 --> 00:02:12,793 What is happening in the 1970s is that 29 00:02:12,827 --> 00:02:17,379 serial killers target sex workers because 30 00:02:17,413 --> 00:02:20,448 they are marginalized and vulnerable. 31 00:02:20,482 --> 00:02:23,931 They are a part of what is called, "The missing missing." 32 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,413 In other words, they're already missing 33 00:02:27,448 --> 00:02:29,896 often from their families 34 00:02:29,931 --> 00:02:32,517 and therefore when they go missing, 35 00:02:32,551 --> 00:02:33,931 they are not reported. 36 00:02:45,448 --> 00:02:48,448 It was a busy morning like any other in New York City. 37 00:02:48,482 --> 00:02:51,137 Around 9:00 a.m., the fire department got a call 38 00:02:51,172 --> 00:02:53,275 from the Travel Inn Motor Hotel 39 00:02:53,310 --> 00:02:55,206 on 42nd Street in Times Square. 40 00:02:56,241 --> 00:02:58,310 Employees had noticed smoke pouring out 41 00:02:58,344 --> 00:03:01,000 of room 417 out into the corridor. 42 00:03:01,034 --> 00:03:04,206 Firemen, went into a fourth floor motel room here 43 00:03:04,241 --> 00:03:06,034 to find the source of smoke. 44 00:03:06,068 --> 00:03:10,241 That source was two fires, one on each bed. 45 00:03:10,275 --> 00:03:12,862 A fireman thought he saw people lying on each bed. 46 00:03:13,896 --> 00:03:15,448 They, uh, took their bodies out 47 00:03:15,482 --> 00:03:17,655 as best they could with some help. 48 00:03:17,689 --> 00:03:19,689 I was prepared to take the... take them 49 00:03:19,724 --> 00:03:21,827 and give them mouth to mouth respiration, 50 00:03:21,862 --> 00:03:25,172 uh, recovery and discovered they were without heads. 51 00:03:26,551 --> 00:03:28,482 At first, since they were headless, 52 00:03:28,517 --> 00:03:31,310 he thought they were just mannequins. 53 00:03:31,344 --> 00:03:34,482 Then he realized that it was two naked young females. 54 00:03:35,827 --> 00:03:37,482 Their corpses have been set on fire. 55 00:03:40,586 --> 00:03:43,862 The, uh, heads and the hands of both victims 56 00:03:44,482 --> 00:03:45,517 had been cut off. 57 00:03:46,310 --> 00:03:48,448 They were bleeding profusely. 58 00:03:50,344 --> 00:03:52,275 It was just a really horrible scene. 59 00:03:54,241 --> 00:03:55,793 This killer went to great lengths 60 00:03:55,827 --> 00:03:57,344 to destroy the women's identities. 61 00:04:01,551 --> 00:04:03,689 Arson is a method 62 00:04:03,724 --> 00:04:06,413 of impairing the investigation. 63 00:04:06,448 --> 00:04:07,344 Set the room on fire. 64 00:04:08,586 --> 00:04:10,068 Fire destroys all the evidence. 65 00:04:17,310 --> 00:04:22,724 On November 29th, 1979, a man identifying himself 66 00:04:22,758 --> 00:04:26,413 as a Carl Wilson of Berlin, New Jersey. 67 00:04:26,448 --> 00:04:28,103 Checked in at The Travel Inn 68 00:04:28,137 --> 00:04:31,034 near Times Square, was given a key to room 417. 69 00:04:32,586 --> 00:04:35,172 At some point after he checks into the hotel, 70 00:04:35,206 --> 00:04:38,034 he reaches out to contact a couple of sex workers. 71 00:04:39,758 --> 00:04:42,344 He ended up bringing two young women upstairs with him. 72 00:04:51,448 --> 00:04:52,758 In the early morning hours, 73 00:04:52,793 --> 00:04:55,034 smoke started coming out of room 417. 74 00:04:57,586 --> 00:05:01,103 When Mr. Wilson leaves the, uh, the hotel, 75 00:05:01,758 --> 00:05:04,344 he has a duffle bag. 76 00:05:04,379 --> 00:05:06,689 And he wanders through The Old Crossroad of the World, 77 00:05:06,724 --> 00:05:08,655 the neon of, uh, Times Square 78 00:05:08,689 --> 00:05:10,068 at about 3:30 in the morning. 79 00:05:11,862 --> 00:05:14,241 And he's stopped by two police officers 80 00:05:15,551 --> 00:05:17,275 who were concerned for his safety 81 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:18,827 as he walked through Times Square, 82 00:05:21,310 --> 00:05:25,689 And he just explained to the two cops that he was staying at a nearby hotel. 83 00:05:25,724 --> 00:05:27,586 Everything was good, he was getting something to eat 84 00:05:29,655 --> 00:05:30,586 and he walked away. 85 00:05:32,379 --> 00:05:34,000 If only police had asked to see 86 00:05:34,034 --> 00:05:35,586 what was inside the duffle bag. 87 00:05:38,482 --> 00:05:41,275 A lot of people figured a psycho was on the loose. 88 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:44,068 They called him The Times Square Killer. 89 00:05:46,172 --> 00:05:47,827 He likes Times Square, 90 00:05:47,862 --> 00:05:49,103 where he could wander around 91 00:05:49,137 --> 00:05:50,965 in the middle of the night and no one noticed. 92 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,862 He would just kind of turned into an animal 93 00:05:53,862 --> 00:05:55,275 when it was night time, 94 00:05:55,310 --> 00:05:56,862 and he would start hunting women. 95 00:05:59,172 --> 00:06:01,655 It was chilling, horrifying what he did to people. 96 00:06:06,241 --> 00:06:09,000 What nobody knew at the time of the Travel Inn double murder 97 00:06:09,034 --> 00:06:12,000 was that the killer had been hunting women for more than a decade. 98 00:06:13,586 --> 00:06:15,206 And he wasn't just doing it in Manhattan, 99 00:06:15,241 --> 00:06:17,689 he was operating across the river in New Jersey. 100 00:06:23,137 --> 00:06:28,379 Bergen County, it's the north eastern corner of New Jersey. 101 00:06:28,413 --> 00:06:33,413 It exist right across the George Washington Bridge from Manhattan. 102 00:06:33,448 --> 00:06:35,000 It has a couple of smaller cities 103 00:06:35,034 --> 00:06:36,896 but is predominantly suburban. 104 00:06:42,241 --> 00:06:46,482 Little Ferry, New Jersey. Small, blue collar town. 105 00:06:46,517 --> 00:06:48,379 Good people, hard working people. 106 00:06:49,517 --> 00:06:51,896 And obviously what we know is, 107 00:06:51,931 --> 00:06:53,724 it doesn't matter how small the town is, 108 00:06:53,758 --> 00:06:57,000 how quiet it is, how bucolic. 109 00:06:57,034 --> 00:06:58,724 It can always be a location 110 00:06:58,758 --> 00:07:00,482 where a homicide could occur. 111 00:07:11,068 --> 00:07:13,068 Nancy Vogel was 29 years old. 112 00:07:14,103 --> 00:07:16,448 Nancy was married, two kids 113 00:07:16,482 --> 00:07:19,379 and she told her family she was going out 114 00:07:19,413 --> 00:07:21,000 to play bingo in the local church. 115 00:07:23,068 --> 00:07:27,413 She stopped at a discount store called Valley Fair 116 00:07:27,448 --> 00:07:30,103 and she purchased some items. 117 00:07:30,137 --> 00:07:32,241 When she didn't return home at her usual time, 118 00:07:32,275 --> 00:07:34,620 her husband became concerned. 119 00:07:34,655 --> 00:07:36,241 As the hours passed it seemed more and more 120 00:07:36,275 --> 00:07:37,931 out of character for the young mother. 121 00:07:38,793 --> 00:07:41,379 So, she went missing, her husband, 122 00:07:42,310 --> 00:07:43,103 called the police. 123 00:07:44,172 --> 00:07:48,137 There was a search rather widely publicized. 124 00:07:48,172 --> 00:07:51,724 There were BOLOs as we call them put out beyond lookout. 125 00:07:53,413 --> 00:07:57,379 Neighborhoods were canvassed, areas were searched. 126 00:07:57,413 --> 00:08:01,689 After two or three days the concern then changes to, 127 00:08:01,724 --> 00:08:04,137 "Well, you know, maybe she just didn't run away." 128 00:08:04,172 --> 00:08:08,137 You rarely, rarely, rarely ever see 129 00:08:08,172 --> 00:08:10,000 a mother run away from their children. 130 00:08:10,724 --> 00:08:11,551 They don't. 131 00:08:18,413 --> 00:08:21,068 Three days after Nancy Vogel disappeared 132 00:08:21,103 --> 00:08:26,172 two catholic school girls were looking out from a upstairs window 133 00:08:26,206 --> 00:08:28,896 and they saw what looked like a mannequin in a parked car. 134 00:08:30,379 --> 00:08:32,793 They went out to investigate and 135 00:08:32,827 --> 00:08:35,206 they realized that what they thought was a mannequin 136 00:08:35,241 --> 00:08:37,000 was actually the missing woman. 137 00:08:40,758 --> 00:08:44,206 Nancy Vogel's killer didn't just stick to the suburbs of New Jersey. 138 00:08:44,241 --> 00:08:45,862 The killer was in Manhattan. 139 00:08:45,896 --> 00:08:48,827 He went into a bar and ran into a woman there 140 00:08:48,862 --> 00:08:52,000 She starts to feel dizzy maybe as if something was slipped in her drink. 141 00:08:53,413 --> 00:08:54,206 She passes out. 142 00:09:08,172 --> 00:09:11,862 Three days after Nancy Vogel, a young mother disappeared, 143 00:09:11,896 --> 00:09:13,793 two school girls came across her body. 144 00:09:15,034 --> 00:09:16,793 She was lying in a parked car on the street. 145 00:09:19,862 --> 00:09:23,724 Her body was discovered in her own vehicle. 146 00:09:23,758 --> 00:09:25,172 She was in the back of the vehicle. 147 00:09:25,965 --> 00:09:27,862 She was naked and bound. 148 00:09:29,689 --> 00:09:31,896 She had been sexually assaulted, 149 00:09:31,931 --> 00:09:34,862 she had been beaten predominantly on one side. 150 00:09:35,931 --> 00:09:39,689 Nancy Vogel's cause of death was strangulation 151 00:09:39,724 --> 00:09:42,620 and also significant blunt trauma. 152 00:09:44,758 --> 00:09:49,827 The primary way serial sexual murderers kill is by strangulation. 153 00:09:49,862 --> 00:09:52,482 The most efficient way to kill somebody is with a gun 154 00:09:52,517 --> 00:09:55,172 but they don't wanna kill somebody efficiently with a gun. 155 00:09:55,206 --> 00:09:58,793 They wanna control their death and control their agony, 156 00:09:58,827 --> 00:10:01,655 so that the victim is aware of the power 157 00:10:01,689 --> 00:10:04,000 and control and domination 158 00:10:04,034 --> 00:10:06,103 that the offender has over her. 159 00:10:06,137 --> 00:10:09,724 This is arousing to the serial sexual murderers. 160 00:10:12,551 --> 00:10:17,448 Her clothes were perfectly folded underneath her. 161 00:10:17,482 --> 00:10:21,310 Inside the trunk of her car were shopping bags. 162 00:10:21,344 --> 00:10:23,689 Those bags had come from a popular store in the area. 163 00:10:24,827 --> 00:10:27,000 It was known as the Valley Fair. 164 00:10:27,034 --> 00:10:30,206 Big super market, everybody in the area would shop there. 165 00:10:30,965 --> 00:10:32,655 So that would have indicated 166 00:10:32,689 --> 00:10:33,793 that she had done some shopping. 167 00:10:35,344 --> 00:10:38,517 Which then immediately brought us to the point. 168 00:10:38,551 --> 00:10:40,344 What happened at Valley Fair? 169 00:10:40,379 --> 00:10:42,137 Was there somebody in the store? 170 00:10:42,172 --> 00:10:43,724 Was there somebody in the parking lot? 171 00:10:43,758 --> 00:10:45,172 Was there somebody that she met? 172 00:10:46,827 --> 00:10:50,068 And I know law enforcement worked very hard. 173 00:10:50,103 --> 00:10:52,655 What happened at the bingo hall? What happened at Valley Fair? 174 00:10:55,137 --> 00:10:56,793 Don't forget, there was no cellphones. 175 00:10:57,724 --> 00:10:59,793 There was no cameras. 176 00:11:00,758 --> 00:11:03,862 Okay and, you know cellphones and cameras 177 00:11:03,896 --> 00:11:06,965 play a huge role today in solving crimes 178 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,068 because wherever you are, you're on camera, pretty much. 179 00:11:10,103 --> 00:11:13,000 So, you know, law enforcement now 180 00:11:13,034 --> 00:11:14,758 has a lot of tools, 181 00:11:14,793 --> 00:11:16,724 they have a lot more technology 182 00:11:16,758 --> 00:11:21,896 and crimes could be solved in different ways than years ago. 183 00:11:21,931 --> 00:11:25,344 So, it's a matter of just trying to canvas 184 00:11:25,379 --> 00:11:28,448 who were the check out people working that night. 185 00:11:28,482 --> 00:11:30,862 Was there a security detail? 186 00:11:30,896 --> 00:11:35,344 One of the leads, uh, back then was that someone 187 00:11:35,379 --> 00:11:40,103 allegedly saw her talking with somebody that was a hippie. 188 00:11:40,137 --> 00:11:42,931 He had long hair and I believe he wore bell bottoms. 189 00:11:44,931 --> 00:11:48,068 But back in 1967 there were a lot of hippies, 190 00:11:48,103 --> 00:11:51,620 so that kind of a lead wasn't really gonna help you too much. 191 00:11:53,137 --> 00:11:54,551 There were other leads 192 00:11:54,586 --> 00:11:57,103 and they were all focused on 193 00:11:57,137 --> 00:11:59,793 apparently people seeing her speaking with others. 194 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,517 But the fact she was at the store, 195 00:12:02,551 --> 00:12:04,448 might have been friendly with people who were there, 196 00:12:04,482 --> 00:12:06,482 uh, didn't raise any red flags. 197 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:10,793 No one person stood out suspicious. 198 00:12:13,206 --> 00:12:15,793 But detectives did notice something odd about the crime scene. 199 00:12:16,896 --> 00:12:21,000 One of the things that was gnawing at police 200 00:12:21,034 --> 00:12:23,448 was that the vehicle was locked 201 00:12:24,896 --> 00:12:27,655 that Nancy Vogel's body was found in 202 00:12:27,689 --> 00:12:29,000 and that the keys were missing. 203 00:12:29,931 --> 00:12:31,931 Were nowhere to be found inside 204 00:12:31,965 --> 00:12:34,310 nor were they found outside the vehicle. 205 00:12:34,344 --> 00:12:37,482 So the killer took the time to lock the vehicle. 206 00:12:38,655 --> 00:12:41,310 Whoever committed this crime 207 00:12:41,344 --> 00:12:43,862 took the car keys most likely because 208 00:12:43,896 --> 00:12:48,172 they didn't want some random person opening up the car door. 209 00:12:48,206 --> 00:12:50,931 And this took the investigation in a direction 210 00:12:50,965 --> 00:12:53,862 that the detectives had never expected. 211 00:12:53,896 --> 00:12:56,827 On the day following the report of her being missing, 212 00:12:56,862 --> 00:12:59,241 her brother showed up at Little Ferry police 213 00:12:59,275 --> 00:13:01,034 and said, "My sister is missing 214 00:13:02,344 --> 00:13:04,068 but I found her car keys." 215 00:13:06,862 --> 00:13:09,068 And gave the police the keys to her car. 216 00:13:10,413 --> 00:13:11,655 This was shocking. 217 00:13:11,689 --> 00:13:14,827 Investigators knew that whoever killed Nancy Vogel 218 00:13:14,862 --> 00:13:16,379 locked the car and took her keys. 219 00:13:17,413 --> 00:13:19,344 They knew that the keys were missing 220 00:13:19,379 --> 00:13:21,241 and when they saw that 221 00:13:21,275 --> 00:13:23,482 here's her brother with the car keys, 222 00:13:23,517 --> 00:13:25,896 immediately that makes him a suspect. 223 00:13:25,931 --> 00:13:28,137 Police thought how could he have his sister's keys 224 00:13:28,172 --> 00:13:31,034 if he didn't have something to do with the murder? 225 00:13:31,068 --> 00:13:33,379 But there was nothing else indicating that he was guilty. 226 00:13:34,758 --> 00:13:36,241 So he was a suspect? 227 00:13:36,275 --> 00:13:38,896 Nowhere near enough to charge him 228 00:13:38,931 --> 00:13:41,655 Now, some police officer made a mistake back then 229 00:13:42,275 --> 00:13:43,586 and shared that with 230 00:13:44,827 --> 00:13:46,172 one or more of the family members 231 00:13:46,206 --> 00:13:48,379 which they should not have done. 232 00:13:48,413 --> 00:13:50,103 Even though her brother was cleared, 233 00:13:50,137 --> 00:13:53,896 some of Nancy's relatives were convinced he was guilty. 234 00:13:53,931 --> 00:13:56,241 They wouldn't find out the truth for more than 40 years. 235 00:13:59,793 --> 00:14:03,551 Nancy Vogel's killer continued to work in the shadows. 236 00:14:03,586 --> 00:14:05,655 He didn't just stick to the suburbs of New Jersey. 237 00:14:22,689 --> 00:14:24,931 The killer was in Manhattan 238 00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:28,310 and he went into a bar to have a drink and ran into a woman there. 239 00:14:28,344 --> 00:14:31,068 A waitress, named Karen Schlip. 240 00:14:31,103 --> 00:14:33,310 She was leaving to go meet with her boyfriend 241 00:14:33,344 --> 00:14:36,689 and she was approached by a... a stranger wearing 242 00:14:36,724 --> 00:14:38,413 some sort of shaggy wig. 243 00:14:39,413 --> 00:14:40,586 He asked if she was a hooker. 244 00:14:41,793 --> 00:14:43,655 Uh, she didn't really 245 00:14:43,689 --> 00:14:45,413 notice that he looked a little off, 246 00:14:45,448 --> 00:14:47,965 you know and, uh... 247 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,827 She said she was not a prostitute, they continued to talk 248 00:14:51,862 --> 00:14:55,068 and he identified himself as Joseph Schafer. 249 00:14:56,965 --> 00:14:59,103 So after the two are having a drink at the bar, 250 00:15:00,655 --> 00:15:03,551 she starts to feel dizzy maybe as if something was slipped in her drink. 251 00:15:05,172 --> 00:15:08,379 She walks out and starts to, uh, wobble back home. 252 00:15:09,344 --> 00:15:12,379 At this point, Mr. Schafer 253 00:15:12,413 --> 00:15:14,965 as she knew him, asked if she needed a ride. 254 00:15:16,586 --> 00:15:19,206 She gets in the car and she passes out. 255 00:15:20,827 --> 00:15:23,689 When she wakes up, they're on the New Jersey Turnpike 256 00:15:24,862 --> 00:15:27,620 at which point, Schafer as she knew him 257 00:15:27,655 --> 00:15:32,000 shoved tuanols, they're a barbiturate and used as a date rape drug 258 00:15:32,034 --> 00:15:33,965 into her mouth and she passed out again. 259 00:15:40,517 --> 00:15:43,724 The next morning, Karen woke up in a drainage ditch 260 00:15:43,758 --> 00:15:45,517 up in Bergen County, New Jersey. 261 00:15:50,172 --> 00:15:54,310 She was revived by a police officer who performed CPR on her. 262 00:15:54,344 --> 00:15:55,793 When she finally stabilized, 263 00:15:55,827 --> 00:15:59,965 police had a lot of questions about exactly what had occurred. 264 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:03,758 She's taken to the hospital and, uh, they're looking for a description 265 00:16:03,793 --> 00:16:07,413 but she's not really able to give them anything specific 266 00:16:07,448 --> 00:16:10,965 it's just sort of a vague description of this guy, 267 00:16:12,827 --> 00:16:15,620 and it leaves police with little to chase. 268 00:16:18,137 --> 00:16:20,862 Police soon realize the name Joseph Schafer was an alias. 269 00:16:25,103 --> 00:16:27,034 In the 70's what was very 270 00:16:27,620 --> 00:16:31,000 normal was hitchhiking. 271 00:16:31,034 --> 00:16:32,379 A lot of these young kids did it. 272 00:16:33,482 --> 00:16:35,448 That was the fatal mistake they made that day. 273 00:16:45,172 --> 00:16:46,862 He is known as The Times Square Killer 274 00:16:46,896 --> 00:16:49,310 but it really is a New Jersey story because 275 00:16:49,344 --> 00:16:52,068 he was raised here and a lot of his victims were from here 276 00:16:53,379 --> 00:16:56,344 Basically his comfort zone was right in Bergen County. 277 00:16:58,724 --> 00:17:00,620 In fact that's where he lived this very 278 00:17:00,655 --> 00:17:02,724 unassuming, suburban home life. 279 00:17:04,103 --> 00:17:05,655 He's living in Lodi, New Jersey 280 00:17:05,689 --> 00:17:08,068 up in Bergen County kind of a small, 281 00:17:08,103 --> 00:17:10,827 I guess bedroom community for lack of a better term. 282 00:17:10,862 --> 00:17:14,310 He was a average guy who had a family. 283 00:17:14,344 --> 00:17:17,379 He had a wife and three children, two boys and a girl. 284 00:17:18,551 --> 00:17:20,758 Had a home, had a job. 285 00:17:20,793 --> 00:17:23,172 And he was very disarming to people 286 00:17:23,206 --> 00:17:25,586 because he didn't look abnormal 287 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:28,310 or disturbed or deviant in any way. 288 00:17:29,379 --> 00:17:31,137 It was his averageness, 289 00:17:31,172 --> 00:17:34,689 his normalness that made him particularly treacherous. 290 00:17:34,724 --> 00:17:39,344 Many serial sexual murderers are married or in committed relationships 291 00:17:39,379 --> 00:17:41,827 at the time they're going out murdering people 292 00:17:41,862 --> 00:17:42,965 and they'll interview 293 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,551 the wife and the wife will say, 294 00:17:44,586 --> 00:17:48,034 "I knew something was a little odd about the person but I never ever thought 295 00:17:48,068 --> 00:17:51,655 in a million years that he was going around killing people." 296 00:17:51,689 --> 00:17:54,103 I don't even know if it's cognitive dissonance or something like that, 297 00:17:54,137 --> 00:17:57,896 I mean it's some kind of remarkable compartmentalization 298 00:17:57,931 --> 00:18:00,655 that it would take to separate those two lives. 299 00:18:10,344 --> 00:18:13,758 Teenage, Mary Ann Pryor and Lorraine Kelly 300 00:18:13,793 --> 00:18:18,758 were going to the Jersey Shore and they wanted to get bathing suits. 301 00:18:18,793 --> 00:18:23,275 Neither of them are old enough to have a motor vehicle licence. 302 00:18:23,310 --> 00:18:26,448 So they were hitchhiking to the Paramus mall. 303 00:18:26,482 --> 00:18:29,137 That was a way of getting around. 304 00:18:29,172 --> 00:18:32,482 These are kids and, uh, they figured they can get away with it. 305 00:18:33,758 --> 00:18:35,758 Now, you gotta remember in the 70's, 306 00:18:35,793 --> 00:18:39,655 what was very normal was hitchhiking. 307 00:18:40,931 --> 00:18:42,655 I mean, you would drive down the street 308 00:18:42,689 --> 00:18:44,689 and everybody would be hitchhiking. 309 00:18:44,724 --> 00:18:46,827 It was absolutely dangerous 310 00:18:46,862 --> 00:18:50,034 for anyone to hitchhike because you didn't know who was picking you up. 311 00:18:51,172 --> 00:18:53,758 But a lot of these young kids did it, 312 00:18:53,793 --> 00:18:56,000 and that was the fatal mistake they made that day. 313 00:19:00,344 --> 00:19:03,793 When Mary Ann Pryor missed her 10 p.m. curfew, her parents got worried. 314 00:19:06,172 --> 00:19:08,758 They start calling her friends and then they realize that 315 00:19:08,793 --> 00:19:11,482 Lorraine has also not come home. 316 00:19:11,517 --> 00:19:14,482 So, now there's two missing teenagers. 317 00:19:15,758 --> 00:19:17,862 They call the North Bergen County police 318 00:19:17,896 --> 00:19:22,103 and they have to wait 24 hours to file a police report. 319 00:19:22,137 --> 00:19:24,172 At that point, Mary Ann was actually still alive. 320 00:19:26,206 --> 00:19:28,689 From what I know about it, he could come to a hotel. 321 00:19:30,827 --> 00:19:33,448 And he had forced them in by saying, you know, that 322 00:19:33,482 --> 00:19:36,000 go into the hotel room or else I'm gonna hurt you. 323 00:19:36,034 --> 00:19:39,862 He's menacing, he's an adult, he's pretty strong 324 00:19:39,896 --> 00:19:42,862 and basically forces himself on them. 325 00:19:44,344 --> 00:19:46,965 They were tied to beds so they couldn't escape during the night. 326 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,827 And eventually, he drowned them in the hotel bathtub. 327 00:19:56,655 --> 00:20:00,000 This is really the prototypical serial sexual murder. 328 00:20:01,172 --> 00:20:03,448 The more excruciating the pain, 329 00:20:03,482 --> 00:20:06,689 the more suffering the victim experiences, 330 00:20:06,724 --> 00:20:09,448 the more arousing it is for the offender. 331 00:20:22,172 --> 00:20:25,206 Marry Ann's family was listening to the radio when something shocking came on. 332 00:20:26,931 --> 00:20:29,310 So they hear that they found these two bodies. 333 00:20:30,310 --> 00:20:31,793 There was a knock on the door 334 00:20:31,827 --> 00:20:36,862 and it was the worst news any family could get. 335 00:20:36,896 --> 00:20:42,172 Your daughter is missing with her friend and it's days on end. 336 00:20:42,206 --> 00:20:46,310 And then you hear on the radio that they found two bodies. 337 00:20:46,344 --> 00:20:51,172 I mean, it is. It is a scene from an awful movie. 338 00:20:51,206 --> 00:20:55,379 Their bodies were discovered in a construction site in Montvale. 339 00:20:56,241 --> 00:20:58,620 They had both been sexually assaulted. 340 00:20:59,586 --> 00:21:03,379 They had both been beaten badly. 341 00:21:03,413 --> 00:21:07,241 They had to identify the girls by jewelry that was found on their body. 342 00:21:07,275 --> 00:21:09,586 The scene was a very difficult one to process. 343 00:21:09,620 --> 00:21:11,620 You're not coming up with fingerprints. 344 00:21:11,655 --> 00:21:17,724 Scene was not laned with blood or other things that could somehow give you clues. 345 00:21:17,758 --> 00:21:19,379 There's no evidence of dragging. 346 00:21:19,413 --> 00:21:22,241 You know, when you're on a construction site, it's hard to tell. 347 00:21:22,275 --> 00:21:26,896 The murder of these two children disrupted the sense of security 348 00:21:26,931 --> 00:21:30,206 the people felt in the New Jersey suburbs. 349 00:21:30,241 --> 00:21:32,241 When people in New Jersey watched the news every night 350 00:21:32,275 --> 00:21:34,689 and they hear murder after murder occurring in Manhattan, 351 00:21:34,724 --> 00:21:36,620 New Jersey seems pretty safe. 352 00:21:36,655 --> 00:21:39,862 The last thing you expect to see, you know, 353 00:21:39,896 --> 00:21:42,965 cops finding bodies on your doorstep. 354 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:48,896 Those two girls were my age, were found not far from where I grew up in Bergen County. 355 00:21:48,931 --> 00:21:53,310 And I actually remember when the bodies were discovered. 356 00:21:53,344 --> 00:21:57,068 The New York Daily Newsran their pictures on the front page. 357 00:21:58,413 --> 00:22:01,413 And I remember that stuck with me. 358 00:22:01,448 --> 00:22:04,586 And I remember seeing both of their eyes and it made and impact on me. 359 00:22:07,344 --> 00:22:11,000 The law enforcement had no idea whether the killer had struck in this area before. 360 00:22:18,068 --> 00:22:21,241 It's strange because there's a lot of deaths in this area. 361 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:25,137 He's not really travelling that far, 362 00:22:25,172 --> 00:22:27,482 and there's all these unsolved murders. 363 00:22:27,517 --> 00:22:31,310 But no one, at least at the time, seems to be putting them together. 364 00:22:31,344 --> 00:22:33,931 It would be decades before anyone realized 365 00:22:33,965 --> 00:22:37,965 that the man who killed the two teenagers was actually the Times Square Killer. 366 00:22:52,793 --> 00:22:55,551 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 367 00:22:55,586 --> 00:22:59,344 The Times Square Killer continues to claim the lives of innocent victims, 368 00:22:59,379 --> 00:23:02,689 leaving a trail of horrific crimes in his wake. 369 00:23:02,724 --> 00:23:04,793 Meanwhile, police have no idea 370 00:23:04,827 --> 00:23:08,103 there's a serial killer crisscrossing the Hudson River, 371 00:23:08,137 --> 00:23:11,448 slaughtering women in Manhattan and suburban New Jersey. 372 00:23:11,482 --> 00:23:14,241 And this man has no intention of stopping. 373 00:23:17,793 --> 00:23:19,758 He killed a 29 year old women 374 00:23:19,793 --> 00:23:22,137 and he killed 13-year-olds. 375 00:23:22,172 --> 00:23:26,620 It's just this weird bottomless pit of horror. 376 00:23:28,931 --> 00:23:33,068 He could be today responsible for anywhere between 85 and 100 377 00:23:33,103 --> 00:23:34,793 of these types of homicides. 378 00:23:36,275 --> 00:23:39,620 In 2009 French documentary, the killer seemed to take pride 379 00:23:39,655 --> 00:23:41,103 in the way that he evaded authorities. 380 00:24:06,482 --> 00:24:08,965 Maryann Carr lived in an apartment complex 381 00:24:09,655 --> 00:24:12,206 in Little Ferry, New Jersey. 382 00:24:12,241 --> 00:24:15,689 She had been divorced and recently remarried. 383 00:24:16,482 --> 00:24:18,896 She was an X-ray technician. 384 00:24:18,931 --> 00:24:21,965 She was planning that day to meet her mother-in-law and just never appeared. 385 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,965 So family members became frantic, particularly because her husband was out of town. 386 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,482 They reached out to the police. 387 00:24:28,827 --> 00:24:31,620 And it appears that she was abducted. 388 00:24:31,655 --> 00:24:37,137 She was seen having a confrontation with a man in the parking lot. 389 00:24:37,172 --> 00:24:40,655 And then she was taken away by the killer. 390 00:24:40,689 --> 00:24:45,344 He dumped her body in the parking lot, I believe, of the Quality Inn 391 00:24:45,379 --> 00:24:46,896 between a van and a fence. 392 00:24:50,655 --> 00:24:53,379 The hotel in suburban Hasbrouck Heights, New Jersey 393 00:24:53,413 --> 00:24:57,000 was considered a safe place by the guests and by the workers. 394 00:24:59,517 --> 00:25:02,793 The Quality Inn in Hasbrouck Heights, where I worked. 395 00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:06,620 My father was a maintenance man. 396 00:25:08,482 --> 00:25:12,724 I was looking for a part time job, 'cause now the kids were in school and all. 397 00:25:12,758 --> 00:25:14,793 He used say, need help with the Quality Inn. 398 00:25:15,724 --> 00:25:17,034 I said, okay... 399 00:25:17,448 --> 00:25:18,413 Doing what? 400 00:25:18,448 --> 00:25:21,275 Cleaning rooms. Oh, all right. 401 00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:23,758 I could do that. Clean my house, clean rooms. 402 00:25:23,793 --> 00:25:27,206 My best friend worked there. 403 00:25:27,241 --> 00:25:29,896 My sister-in-law worked there. 404 00:25:29,931 --> 00:25:32,172 We were just a big family. 405 00:25:32,206 --> 00:25:35,862 Some of our guests were the Giants football players. 406 00:25:35,896 --> 00:25:39,655 And they would watch cartoons before they went to play their game. 407 00:25:39,689 --> 00:25:41,275 I used to talk to them. 408 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:43,103 Wrestlers would stay there, 409 00:25:43,517 --> 00:25:44,448 businessmen. 410 00:25:47,586 --> 00:25:49,551 Now, the hotel was thrown into disarray. 411 00:25:51,379 --> 00:25:53,517 My father saw it. 412 00:25:53,551 --> 00:25:58,517 And he was telling me, "Elly, they found a body in the parking lot." 413 00:25:58,551 --> 00:26:01,827 That was just... that's all we knew about Maryann Carr. 414 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,137 When she was found dead, Carr also had marks around her wrists and her ankles, 415 00:26:10,172 --> 00:26:13,655 which indicated that she was probably handcuffed at some point. 416 00:26:13,689 --> 00:26:16,137 There was a ligature mark around her neck 417 00:26:16,172 --> 00:26:19,310 and traces of adhesive tape around her mouth. 418 00:26:19,344 --> 00:26:24,310 She had been bitten all over the body, sexually abused. 419 00:26:24,344 --> 00:26:29,862 We thought it was just some nut, murderer, whatever dumped the body there. 420 00:26:29,896 --> 00:26:32,275 We did not expect the person to come back. 421 00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:33,758 But as time went on, 422 00:26:33,793 --> 00:26:37,379 authorities would realize that the killer was a creature of habit. 423 00:26:37,413 --> 00:26:40,620 And the Quality Inn at Hasbrouck Heights was one of his favorite stops. 424 00:26:42,896 --> 00:26:45,862 He keeps coming back to the Quality Inn. 425 00:26:45,896 --> 00:26:52,448 And used it not only for his deeds of murder and mayhem, 426 00:26:52,482 --> 00:26:57,793 but he also was dating a woman and brought her there a couple of different times. 427 00:26:58,931 --> 00:27:02,344 It is very, very typical for any criminal 428 00:27:02,379 --> 00:27:07,034 to operate where they feel comfort and they feel comfortable by familiarity. 429 00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:15,241 As detectives retraced the killer's steps, they came up with a clue. 430 00:27:15,275 --> 00:27:18,896 There was an eyewitness who was driving past the apartment complex 431 00:27:18,931 --> 00:27:21,275 where the abduction took place, 432 00:27:21,310 --> 00:27:24,620 who thought that he had actually seen the victim's husband 433 00:27:24,655 --> 00:27:26,344 in the rereview mirror. 434 00:27:26,379 --> 00:27:28,655 Detectives questioned the husband 435 00:27:28,689 --> 00:27:32,241 to see if he was actually on a business trip as he claimed. 436 00:27:32,275 --> 00:27:36,655 But he was later able to produce an alibi and clear himself of any 437 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,517 wrongdoing or involvement at all in the case. 438 00:27:43,758 --> 00:27:47,344 What detectives didn't realize was that Maryann Carr 439 00:27:47,379 --> 00:27:49,482 and another victim had lived in the same place. 440 00:27:50,896 --> 00:27:53,413 Like the Quality Inn, this was another example of 441 00:27:53,448 --> 00:27:56,068 the killer returning to places that he was familiar with. 442 00:27:57,379 --> 00:28:01,448 Two of his victims Nancy Vogel and Maryann Carr 443 00:28:01,482 --> 00:28:03,482 both lived in the same apartment complex, 444 00:28:03,517 --> 00:28:05,793 even though the murders occurred 10 years apart. 445 00:28:06,758 --> 00:28:08,448 They were sporadic events. 446 00:28:09,413 --> 00:28:11,551 It wasn't like... 447 00:28:11,586 --> 00:28:15,103 these things were happening every week, 448 00:28:15,137 --> 00:28:17,103 and they would say, "Hey, this is the same guy." 449 00:28:18,448 --> 00:28:21,896 Because you have couple of years later a different detective. 450 00:28:21,931 --> 00:28:24,413 Maybe some of these detectives were transferred out. 451 00:28:24,448 --> 00:28:26,724 Okay, so... 452 00:28:26,758 --> 00:28:31,103 could somebody say, it is similar to something we had a couple of years ago, yes. 453 00:28:31,137 --> 00:28:36,310 But the technology wasn't in place back then that it is now. 454 00:28:36,344 --> 00:28:39,241 DNA would've made a difference but obviously it wasn't there. 455 00:28:39,275 --> 00:28:45,482 Many homicides are... there's a family or familial connection. 456 00:28:45,517 --> 00:28:48,620 Many of them are based up on crimes of passion. 457 00:28:48,655 --> 00:28:51,448 But the ones that where the victims 458 00:28:52,344 --> 00:28:55,551 don't have a connection to the murderer, 459 00:28:55,586 --> 00:28:59,724 those are the ones that are difficult to really pinpoint. 460 00:28:59,758 --> 00:29:03,586 It makes them also very difficult to solve. 461 00:29:03,620 --> 00:29:09,068 You have all these very tiny police departments who may not be tying things together. 462 00:29:09,103 --> 00:29:13,551 Law enforcement has always been a tribal sort of thing. 463 00:29:13,586 --> 00:29:16,482 And the communication isn't always there. 464 00:29:16,517 --> 00:29:22,551 In Bergen County, there are 73 independent and separate police departments, 465 00:29:22,586 --> 00:29:27,344 69 municipals and at the time, you had county police and sheriff's department. 466 00:29:27,379 --> 00:29:31,862 So communicating between independent departments was even more problematic. 467 00:29:31,896 --> 00:29:36,206 Things back then were much more manual, much more written. 468 00:29:36,241 --> 00:29:41,689 They had detective bureaus and they would have detective associations. 469 00:29:41,724 --> 00:29:46,000 These detectives from multiple towns would get together and share notes. 470 00:29:46,034 --> 00:29:47,241 But that was about it. 471 00:29:47,275 --> 00:29:52,034 It was hard. It was hard, it was much more challenging. 472 00:29:52,068 --> 00:29:56,482 There was no internet. There was no way for the jurisdictions to communicate 473 00:29:56,517 --> 00:30:00,275 and be like, maybe we've got a serial killer here, 474 00:30:00,310 --> 00:30:02,793 maybe this is one person committing all these crimes. 475 00:30:07,482 --> 00:30:11,310 The killer identifies where he works and says he has a computer job 476 00:30:11,344 --> 00:30:14,344 and his house in the suburbs. 477 00:30:14,379 --> 00:30:16,862 He was revealing facts about his life. 478 00:30:18,137 --> 00:30:19,931 Doesn't make any difference really what he tell them, 479 00:30:19,965 --> 00:30:21,517 cause his plan is to kill them. 480 00:30:32,586 --> 00:30:37,000 In October 1978, as police were trying to find out the identity of a man 481 00:30:37,034 --> 00:30:40,103 who left a body outside a New Jersey hotel, 482 00:30:42,620 --> 00:30:46,586 the Times Square Killer was back in Manhattan doing what he always did. 483 00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:55,482 A sex worker named Susan Geiger, who was working the streets 484 00:30:55,517 --> 00:31:02,310 when a stranger who identified himself as Jim approached and offered her $200 for a date. 485 00:31:02,344 --> 00:31:05,448 She said she was booked up, but gave him a phone number to contact her at. 486 00:31:07,275 --> 00:31:10,103 This guy just seemed like a nice person that needed company. 487 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,689 And they met in an Irish bar in Manhattan 488 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,827 in the shadow of the Queensborough Bridge. 489 00:31:19,793 --> 00:31:22,275 Jim whipped out a big wad of cash. 490 00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:24,103 Claimed that he had won the money gambling. 491 00:31:24,620 --> 00:31:25,655 He then, 492 00:31:26,448 --> 00:31:27,931 bizarrely, 493 00:31:27,965 --> 00:31:31,793 identifies where he works and says that he has a computer job 494 00:31:31,827 --> 00:31:33,517 and his house in the suburbs. 495 00:31:33,551 --> 00:31:35,241 All of which is true. 496 00:31:37,689 --> 00:31:41,482 In fact, the killer had been working in computer technology for more than a decade. 497 00:31:41,517 --> 00:31:46,275 He was employed as a mainframe computer operator at a major insurance company. 498 00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:51,172 He was largely living and doing his thing out in New Jersey. 499 00:31:51,206 --> 00:31:55,551 Although, the whole time he was employed, he was working in New York City. 500 00:31:55,586 --> 00:32:00,862 And he began to get active with prostitutes, sometimes two or three times a week. 501 00:32:02,241 --> 00:32:04,758 He likes to get away with things he's not supposed to of. 502 00:32:04,793 --> 00:32:08,827 He would, apparently while he was working at the insurance company, just leave, 503 00:32:08,862 --> 00:32:11,931 go to sex clubs, do his thing and then come back. 504 00:32:14,137 --> 00:32:16,586 And despite being married, he was also dating a nurse. 505 00:32:17,896 --> 00:32:21,827 She was somebody that he met when he was out carousing. 506 00:32:22,689 --> 00:32:24,241 He met her at a bar. 507 00:32:25,034 --> 00:32:26,896 And they had a fling. 508 00:32:26,931 --> 00:32:32,344 He actually stayed with her as a boyfriend-girlfriend for a period of time. 509 00:32:32,379 --> 00:32:35,827 In the meantime, he still got his hobby, 510 00:32:35,862 --> 00:32:40,862 his extracurricular activity while he's out, you know, murdering women. 511 00:32:43,793 --> 00:32:48,034 For a guy to be in the computer business in 1960s is an anomaly, right? 512 00:32:48,068 --> 00:32:50,344 There weren't that many computers. 513 00:32:50,379 --> 00:32:53,896 He's on the cusp of the cutting edge, you know, at that point. 514 00:32:53,931 --> 00:32:57,172 And he's pretty bright, and he knows it. 515 00:32:57,206 --> 00:33:01,482 This is a guy who walked around in a suit and tie, 516 00:33:01,517 --> 00:33:08,413 business person with a family and a home in a New Jersey suburb, 517 00:33:08,448 --> 00:33:10,827 and came and went and nobody suspected him. 518 00:33:12,103 --> 00:33:15,482 But look at the monster that he really was. 519 00:33:19,931 --> 00:33:22,896 To this point, he had been meticulous. 520 00:33:22,931 --> 00:33:27,000 But now, as he is sitting in a Manhattan bar with a sex worker named Susan Geiger, 521 00:33:27,034 --> 00:33:29,965 he was giving away information that could lead to his arrest. 522 00:33:31,758 --> 00:33:35,586 It does seem strange that he's revealing facts about his life. 523 00:33:35,620 --> 00:33:38,931 He's trying to make the victim feel comfortable, relax them. 524 00:33:38,965 --> 00:33:42,310 He knows in his mind what he's gonna do, but he doesn't want them to be frightened. 525 00:33:42,344 --> 00:33:44,517 So he tells them about himself and so on. 526 00:33:44,551 --> 00:33:47,620 From his perspective, it doesn't make any difference really what he tells them, 527 00:33:47,655 --> 00:33:49,448 because his plan is to kill them. 528 00:33:51,241 --> 00:33:54,379 Susan and a customer were talking in the bar, 529 00:33:54,413 --> 00:33:56,551 that's when he began to put his plan into action. 530 00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:00,241 Susan gets up to go to the bathroom, 531 00:34:00,275 --> 00:34:03,000 he orders a round of screwdrivers 532 00:34:03,034 --> 00:34:08,103 hoping that the juice would hide the taste of the pills he wanted to slip her. 533 00:34:09,551 --> 00:34:11,379 It did, she passed out. 534 00:34:12,724 --> 00:34:16,344 It doesn't surprise me that he would drug sex workers. 535 00:34:16,379 --> 00:34:17,482 It's interesting. 536 00:34:17,517 --> 00:34:21,068 Some serial sexual murderers avoid prostitutes, why? 537 00:34:21,103 --> 00:34:24,655 Because prostitutes tend to be street people, they're strong, 538 00:34:24,689 --> 00:34:26,482 they can take care of themselves. 539 00:34:26,517 --> 00:34:30,206 And if you feel weak inside, as so many of them do, 540 00:34:30,241 --> 00:34:32,862 they don't wanna tussle with a prostitute. 541 00:34:32,896 --> 00:34:35,137 Because they may be overpowered by the person. 542 00:34:35,172 --> 00:34:39,206 So what did he do, he drugged them. Got them drowsy and groggy. 543 00:34:39,241 --> 00:34:42,172 So he can dominate them, so he can control them. 544 00:34:44,172 --> 00:34:47,965 As with other victims, Susan Geiger was taken out of Manhattan 545 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,965 and brought to New Jersey. 546 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,482 She recalls being driven in a dirty, green Thunderbird 547 00:34:56,379 --> 00:34:59,275 and then waking up in a hotel room. 548 00:35:02,620 --> 00:35:04,275 She had been tortured and left for dead. 549 00:35:05,551 --> 00:35:06,965 But when the killer left, 550 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,344 she managed to call the police and describe what happened to her. 551 00:35:10,724 --> 00:35:14,724 In 2009 documentary, he explained how excited he got 552 00:35:14,758 --> 00:35:16,379 during these violent encounters. 553 00:35:34,344 --> 00:35:38,034 But at this point, the authorities still did not see any pattern 554 00:35:38,068 --> 00:35:40,206 among all the suspect's crimes. 555 00:35:41,551 --> 00:35:43,275 And at the insurance company where he worked, 556 00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:45,896 he behaved as if he didn't have any care in the world. 557 00:35:47,413 --> 00:35:48,896 He would disappear. 558 00:35:48,931 --> 00:35:51,275 You know, he'd be gone for hours at a time. 559 00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:56,724 And his bosses didn't seem to mind or do anything about it. 560 00:35:56,758 --> 00:35:59,206 There again, he's a pretty bright guy. 561 00:35:59,241 --> 00:36:03,655 And when he did show up, he was supposedly a good worker. 562 00:36:03,689 --> 00:36:07,931 Even at the office, parts of his real personality were coming through. 563 00:36:07,965 --> 00:36:09,793 He always seem to have a lot of money. 564 00:36:09,827 --> 00:36:12,344 And it was never clear where he got the money from. 565 00:36:12,379 --> 00:36:14,689 But he bragged about being a very successful gambler. 566 00:36:16,172 --> 00:36:19,931 Some coworkers accused him of stealing keys to their desks 567 00:36:19,965 --> 00:36:21,931 and taking things that didn't belong to him. 568 00:36:24,827 --> 00:36:27,310 I don't whether he was actually a loan shark, 569 00:36:27,344 --> 00:36:30,724 but he was loaning money to coworkers. 570 00:36:30,758 --> 00:36:33,103 He was known to have extra cash. 571 00:36:33,137 --> 00:36:36,517 So he'd be somebody that they would go to, you know, for this. 572 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,655 At his job, he was talking to his friends 573 00:36:41,689 --> 00:36:45,103 about prostitutes and women and this sort of things. 574 00:36:45,137 --> 00:36:46,827 It's a little bit off color. 575 00:36:46,862 --> 00:36:50,241 Now, after his coworkers found out what he did, 576 00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:53,310 they now look back and see it in much different way. 577 00:36:56,379 --> 00:36:58,275 He loved the cat and mouse game. 578 00:37:05,068 --> 00:37:09,517 He said to his coworkers when they discussed the murders, 579 00:37:09,551 --> 00:37:12,413 he said, it could be you, could be me, could be anybody. 580 00:37:24,413 --> 00:37:28,724 In 1979, the vicious assaults against women in New York and New Jersey 581 00:37:28,758 --> 00:37:30,862 only seemed to be getting worse. 582 00:37:30,896 --> 00:37:34,758 His attacks appeared to ramp up in terms of violence 583 00:37:34,793 --> 00:37:40,000 and maybe leaving little clues behind for investigators. 584 00:37:40,034 --> 00:37:44,724 People lived in fear and the Times Square Killer's exploits were splashed across the 585 00:37:44,758 --> 00:37:46,758 front pages of the tabloids. 586 00:37:46,793 --> 00:37:48,758 He loved the cat and mouse game. 587 00:37:48,793 --> 00:37:51,275 He definitely did. 588 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:55,655 In 2009, in the documentary, he told journalist Nadia Fezzani 589 00:37:55,689 --> 00:37:57,689 about his compulsion to continue his spree. 590 00:38:21,379 --> 00:38:23,586 Around 2 o'clock this morning, this young woman 591 00:38:23,620 --> 00:38:25,689 dressed in a beige skirt and jacket 592 00:38:25,724 --> 00:38:29,931 checked into a room on the 11th floor of the Seville Hotel on East 29th Street. 593 00:38:31,413 --> 00:38:35,068 He was with a sex worker by the name of Jean Marie Reyner. 594 00:38:35,103 --> 00:38:37,689 Shortly after 8 a.m., a hotel employee 595 00:38:37,724 --> 00:38:40,275 discovered her room filled with smoke. 596 00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:47,034 She's found in the room strangled. And now, unlike the previous case, 597 00:38:47,068 --> 00:38:51,344 where he'd killed two women in a hotel in the Times Square area, 598 00:38:51,379 --> 00:38:54,206 her head and her hands were intact. 599 00:38:54,241 --> 00:38:56,413 Yet, the killer still mutilated the body. 600 00:38:57,896 --> 00:39:01,241 Before he departed the room, he lit the mattress on fire. 601 00:39:03,586 --> 00:39:05,827 In the 2009 documentary, 602 00:39:05,862 --> 00:39:10,896 journalist Nadia Fezzani asked the killer, why he decided to mutilate the body. 603 00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:12,793 I mean, she was already dead. 604 00:39:12,827 --> 00:39:14,827 I mean, it wasn't something that she was alive. 605 00:39:21,827 --> 00:39:25,275 The killer said that he wanted sensationalism and now he was getting it. 606 00:39:26,862 --> 00:39:31,551 This was exactly the kind of crime that the tabloids existed to cover. 607 00:39:32,103 --> 00:39:33,413 Right near Wheelhouse, 608 00:39:34,448 --> 00:39:37,103 he's in Times Square all of a sudden. 609 00:39:37,137 --> 00:39:39,758 You know, the bright lights of Broadway or whatever. 610 00:39:39,793 --> 00:39:42,275 There's more attention, more media. 611 00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,586 For a brief period, it seemed like everyone in New York 612 00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:47,310 was talking about the Times Square Killer. 613 00:39:47,344 --> 00:39:49,896 It's interesting that he said to his coworkers, 614 00:39:49,931 --> 00:39:52,655 when they discussed the Times Square murders and so on, 615 00:39:52,689 --> 00:39:55,827 it could be you, it could be me, it could be anybody. 616 00:39:59,482 --> 00:40:03,000 A housekeeper walked into room 132. 617 00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:06,931 She says, I hit something under the bed and it was an arm. 618 00:40:06,965 --> 00:40:10,586 Not just an arm, it's a whole body. 619 00:40:12,103 --> 00:40:13,793 He was above the law. 620 00:40:13,827 --> 00:40:16,482 It was going to be his show. 621 00:40:16,517 --> 00:40:20,448 He wanted to see what it felt like to have someone under his control. 622 00:40:20,482 --> 00:40:23,827 It comes down to him being a control freak 623 00:40:23,862 --> 00:40:26,965 and doing whatever he wants to do and getting away with it. 624 00:40:28,965 --> 00:40:34,413 And this car pulls up. And this guy with this stupid, smirky smile. 625 00:40:34,448 --> 00:40:38,241 I just got this weird danger feeling. 626 00:40:38,275 --> 00:40:41,448 Stranger danger. And he kept looking at me. 627 00:40:41,482 --> 00:40:44,172 It was horrifying, horrifying. 628 00:40:44,206 --> 00:40:48,379 They're looking around and they stumble upon a trophy room. 629 00:40:48,413 --> 00:40:52,034 He's got a place where he's keeping these little trinkets 630 00:40:52,068 --> 00:40:55,931 to stimulate his fantasies in the future. 631 00:40:55,965 --> 00:40:59,896 One of the police came in the side door with a shotgun 632 00:40:59,931 --> 00:41:02,137 and they were aiming it at this guy. 633 00:41:02,172 --> 00:41:05,448 There's tons of unsolved crimes in New Jersey and New York. 634 00:41:05,482 --> 00:41:09,206 These are names that I will never forget. 635 00:41:09,241 --> 00:41:13,000 We're gonna be hearing about victims of his for decades. 636 00:41:17,068 --> 00:41:20,620 As the Times Square Killer continued his deadly campaign, 637 00:41:20,655 --> 00:41:23,689 detectives were wondering when he would slip up. 638 00:41:23,724 --> 00:41:26,137 And who exactly was this man? 639 00:41:26,172 --> 00:41:29,965 What could possibly drive someone to such a level of evil and depravity? 640 00:41:30,551 --> 00:41:32,000 Sinister double life, 641 00:41:32,034 --> 00:41:33,793 shocking confessions 642 00:41:33,827 --> 00:41:36,655 and dark secrets revealed in part two of 643 00:41:37,206 --> 00:41:38,827 the Times Square Killer. 644 00:41:38,862 --> 00:41:42,482 I'm Donny Wahlberg, thanks for watching, good night. 55490

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