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You haven't heard
anything in a couple of weeks?
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You don't think that I should
like, notify somebody
or something?
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Why?
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I worry.
How would you feel if it was
one of your daughters?
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Well, well
my daughter's...
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you know I...
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My daughter went
and travelled through Europe
for a whole summer
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and I didn't hear from her.
All I got was postcards.
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Well...
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I know how young
people are today.
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Welcome to Very Scary People.
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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He called himself,
"The Slave Master."
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A seemingly unassuming
family man who had a secret
obsession for rough sex
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including, bondage
and sadomasochism.
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But there was an even
darker side to John Robinson.
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At least six women who
became involved with
Robinson in some way,
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vanished without a trace.
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By the late '90s after
years of trolling for prey
through newspaper ads,
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Robinson discovered
a new way to find victims.
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The internet.
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This is part two
of "The Slave Master".
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In 1964, Robinson
met his wife Nancy,
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and, they had four kids.
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Ironically, he had
a reputation in the community
of being the family man.
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He appeared to be
a caring loving father,
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he was involved
in his kids activities,
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he was involved in his church.
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Average dumpy looking guy.
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But, he's smart,
smooth talker, very dangerous.
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He would have many
affairs with different women.
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An area of interest
that he took on was
the BDSM lifestyle.
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BDSM is bondage,
discipline, and
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sadomasochistic
sexual relations.
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He went by the
name Slave Master
on the computer,
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soliciting sadomasochistic
sex over the internet.
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The first part
of his career, he was,
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kind of the archetypal
small time chiseler.
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He faked his credentials,
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got jobs he wasn't
qualified for,
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and milked the companies for
various amounts of money.
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And more often than not,
got away with it.
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But by the eighties,
he was evolving into
something else.
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John Edward
Robinson Sr. apparently knew
no bounds to his sadism.
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There were five women,
one teenager and
one baby missing.
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Paula Godfrey...
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Lisa Stasi...
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Baby Tiffany...
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Catherine Clampitt...
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A woman by the name of
Beverly Bonner...
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and Sheila and Debbie Faith.
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Part of Robinson's
MO was that he had
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women sign stationary
that he could use later
to send to their relatives.
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After about of decade
of instances where women met
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John Robinson and
then disappeared,
it's still happening.
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John Robinson was
becoming emboldened
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by the fact that he was
getting away with it,
made him feel that he was...
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He was never gonna get caught.
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In the fall of 1999,
Robinson meets
a young woman from Michigan,
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by the name
of Suzette Trouten,
who's 27 years old,
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Suzette lived in Michigan,
with her mother Carol.
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And she's interested
in the BDSM lifestyle,
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Robinson met Suzette
through an online chatroom.
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He was looking
for a submissive,
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and Suzette was
looking for a master.
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He enticed her to
come to Kansas City.
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He said
I've got an old father,
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he's not in good health,
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I need you to come
out here and nurse him
and take care of him.
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She was supposed
to be hired, at around
$65,000 a year.
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He was going
to pay her schooling,
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he was going to put her up
with a place to stay,
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and her only job
was to take care
of his aging father.
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So, she packs up her life,
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and her two little Pekingese
dogs that she never went
anywhere without,
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and moves to the
Kansas City area
to be with John Robinson.
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She arrived on
Valentine's Day, 2000.
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And was put up
in the Guesthouse,
in Lenexa, Kansas.
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For several weeks,
he has sex with her a lot,
does the whole BDSM thing.
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In at least one
of the sessions that Robinson
had with Suzette Trouten
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in the hotel room, he began
filming and photographing.
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And on March first,
she totally disappeared.
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Suzette was a young
woman who had daily
conversations with her mom.
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When her mom,
didn't start hearing
from Suzette,
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she knew something was wrong.
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Carolyn Trouten
was very concerned,
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and she reached
out to the police here,
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in the city of Overland Park.
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Carolyn Trouten
actually knew
who John Robinson was,
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because Suzette had
told her about him.
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The Overland Park Police
Department had
these old cases,
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the Godfrey case,
the Stasi case.
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Some of the old timers,
I guess, recognized,
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"Hey, we've had
missing person
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reports in the past involving
this guy and now
we have another one."
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There was this connection,
that they began putting
the pieces together,
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that this guy
is a serial killer.
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I mean, there's no
sequences, like that,
that often so,
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literally within about
24 hours, we had
a task force together,
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comprised of our office and
several police departments,
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that started working
non-stop on that case.
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We could not arrest him,
we had no information
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no evidence of anything
at that point.
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We don't have a case.
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They trail him around town,
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they see what his
routines are, they see
what his activities are.
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We follow him, hoping
he would lead us to
some other evidence.
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To try to piece together
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exactly what happened
in each and everyone
of these events.
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What he did, how he did it,
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where kinds of things
that would allow us to
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put together a
comprehensive picture
of what took place.
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John Robinson lived
in a mobile home community,
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that is a very
close knit community.
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The residences basically sits
side by side, everybody
knows everybody.
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We couldn't even drive through
that complex without
being suspicious.
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So, we would sit
outside the complex,
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and wait for John Robinson
to leave. There was a
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kind of a hill
south of the complex,
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and an officer would
setup there on a lounge chair
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on some people's
property, watching so
that they can tell
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when John Robinson
was leaving.
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The officer gets so familiar
with the people that
he actually mowed their
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backyard a couple of times,
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just so it didn't
look so suspicious.
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The task force was
doing as much as they
could to survey,
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and build a case
against Robinson.
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They would masquerade
as trash men and pick up
his trash.
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They would find messages and
letters and things that had
been shredded in his trash
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and they painstakingly put
all of those back together.
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John Robinson was
driving all over
the metro area.
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He bought this property
which was a sixteen and
a half acre track,
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down in Linn county,
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which is a remote rural
area about an hour of south
of Kansas City.
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It's a getaway, so to speak,
and was supposedly
gonna fix it up and,
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use it as a second home.
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They would have
them do surveillance atop
telephone poles,
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you know, binoculars
and they would watch him.
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They were pretty much leaving
no stone unturned.
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They weren't ready
to arrest him yet,
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they had to have
an air tight case
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before they could arrest him.
They knew he was slippery.
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I think everybody was
on the same page. It's one
of those projects where
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every person involved
knew how important
it was and they knew,
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we're saving lives by
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getting this guy
off of the streets.
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One of the challenges was,
if he's killing, what's he
done with their bodies?
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One of the more
interesting twists
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in Robinson's story,
is lady called
Barbara Sandre.
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I met John Robinson in 1963
in Toronto.
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I was 15 and he was 19.
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He was slim,
he had blonde hair,
a nice looking guy.
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I think we liked each other.
I think the feelings
were mutual.
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We kept in touch
on a regular basis.
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They stayed pen pals
and occasionally,
he would come and visit her.
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As far as I was concerned,
he was nice.
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They fell out of touch
for many years and
reconnected in 1993.
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At that time I was
running a translation
company in England.
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John Robinson actually
told Barbara Sandre
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that he was not married
and that he simply had four
children from an... adoption.
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Apparently, his brother
had died in car accident and
they were the brother's kids.
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And this was not true,
he was adept at
lying to everyone,
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to his wife, to his victims,
to everybody.
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He was a pathological liar.
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We kept in
touch by telephone,
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and, we wrote each other
every week.
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She moved down
to Kansas City
in the late 1990's.
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The reason I went was
because there was this
unfinished thing.
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He said he worked
for the government.
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He had a security job,
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and he said, that would
be the reason why he
was away all the time.
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So, because of his
important position,
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I was supposed
to keep a low profile.
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Initially, the apartment
that I first rented,
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when I got there was
an executive let,
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where you get everything.
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And then they had
some duplexes that
were considerably cheaper
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but you have to
bring everything,
and I mentioned it to him
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and he said, "That's not
a problem, I have lots
of furniture I can give you."
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And he arrived
with everything I needed.
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Furniture, bedding, pillows...
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Even a Crock-pot
full of rotten food.
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A mattress in the bed
did have a stain on it,
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but he said that was a result
of a daughter's bad period.
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At the time, it wasn't
something, were you
would be thinking,
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I wonder if
he killed somebody?
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You know, you were happy
that you didn't have
to go buy a bed.
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He brought me paintings
and he said he had
painted them and,
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they had his JR
in every corner.
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He asked me for money
on a few occasions and
I gave him
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maybe $20,000 over
a period of time.
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Because, that property
in Linn county there,
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was just a field when
he first bought it,
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and he said we were
gonna live there one day.
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He didn't come as often
as I maybe would have
liked to have seen him.
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But we talked everyday.
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Sometimes more than once,
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if I was misbehaving.
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Going out and not
coming home till late or
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having somebody over,
those were all no-no's
as far as he was concerned.
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But there was no
aspect of BDSM
in our relationship.
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I would have run a mile.
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He never would have seen
me again from that
day forward.
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Nancy said, she was his wife
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and that, you know,
I shouldn't believe everything
that I was being told.
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That I was one of many
women that he was
running around with,
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or had run around
with over the years.
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By this time, Nancy Robinson
would be married
to John Robinson,
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I think, almost 40 years.
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And I asked him,
what's with this Nancy person?
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And he said, "Oh, Nancy, Nancy
is my, is the au pair that I
hired to take care of the kids
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when they were little.
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And, she's been
stalking me for years.
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I thought it was
a little bit strange,
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but I took it for face value.
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When he said something,
you believed him.
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He wasn't a wishy-washy man,
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you know, there was no more
discussion about it.
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I don't think the gist
of the letter from Nancy
was for me to stop seeing him.
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But, she just wanted
me to understand
what kind of person he was.
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You didn't dare question him.
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Once on the phone he
got quite mad at me and,
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I remember saying to him,
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"Instead of us discussing this
on the telephone
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why don't you come over here
and let's talk about it
face to face."
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And he said, "I'm too mad
at you right now,
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if I came there my kids would
have to visit me in jail."
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When we took over the case,
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one of our detectives flew up
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to Michigan and talked
to Suzette's mother,
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and he set him up with
a recording device for
her telephone.
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One ironclad rule for
John Robinson was,
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essentially to isolate,
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the women from their families.
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The fact that
Suzette Trouten's mother
and Suzette
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talked everyday
was a key factor
in this case.
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At some point, she gave
her mother his number.
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They actually recorded a
conversation on the phone,
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between her and John Robinson.
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He said, " Well, I don't
know, she was here and she...
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met some guy
and she left and...
that's all I know about it."
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The guy is, quick on his feet,
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in regards to coming up
with answers and lies.
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I couldn't figure out how
he could keep
all his lies straight.
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He had perfected this over,
almost four decades.
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He was very good at it,
and that's what that
phone call reveals.
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It was like he was,
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kind of toying with her.
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He tried to
convince Carolyn that
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she had simply left
on her own and not to worry
she would be coming back.
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When all of us really thought
that was not going
to be the case.
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He could talk his
way out of anything.
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In about, May he told me that
he was thinking of retiring.
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And, maybe it was a good idea
for us to go to Canada.
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His children are grown.
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And he encouraged
me to go home and see
if I could find a place.
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The furniture
was still sitting there,
I left everything behind.
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Some people felt
that this was because
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Robinson thought maybe
the police are getting close.
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I don't know
if that's the case,
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I mean, Robinson told
lot of women, he was going
different places with them,
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and it never happened.
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From March of 2000,
until June of 2000, we had,
basically had 90 days
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of pretty furious
investigation into him.
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The hardest decision for us,
was when he would bring
women into town.
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There were a lot of
women that he didn't kill,
that he didn't kidnap.
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They just had him
come in for sex.
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He's a big fan of using the
various extended stay hotels.
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He would bring somebody
out of town, put them up
there for a week,
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he could see them everyday
and they'd have sex,
do their BDSM thing.
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Fortunately, we
did have access to his phone.
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We did a court ordered
wiretap.
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And from some of
the conversations, we knew
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when these women were coming.
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The task force would
take the room next door.
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And they would listen in.
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We had a lot of contingency
plans for what to do if
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we thought if he was
actually hurting somebody.
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The police were authorized
to just break in and stop it.
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But with BDSM,
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that's kind of a
tall order because,
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part of that's
yelling and screaming,
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part of that's
voluntary infliction of pain.
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We tried to really sensitive
to that stuff in terms of
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not over react or screw up
the investigation while still
not letting anybody get hurt.
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One of the women
that Robinson
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was having a dalliance with
during this investigation was
a woman named Dicky Neufeld,
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who was into
the BDSM lifestyle.
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She came down here,
and Robinson put her up
in a hotel room,
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where they had some sessions.
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The relationship went sour,
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and she had a collection
of about $700 worth of
what you would call sex toys,
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and he basically
kept her property.
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And she called the police
and reported that,
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that, you know he
had stolen from her.
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She didn't know
we were investigating.
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"I'm gonna report this guy,
stole my sex toys."
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This was really significant,
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because this gave us
the first real problem
or cause that we had
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to get a warrant to arrest
Robinson for something.
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We basically
had run into a
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situation where we
felt we had to move
on John Robinson.
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We knew from phone records
that Barbara Sandre was
heading back to Canada,
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and that John Robinson
was supposed to go with her,
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and the decision was made that
we had to move in,
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and stop this investigation
before it got out of control.
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This was a gamble
for the prosecutor to arrest
Robinson, because,
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at this point they only had
Vickie Neufeld's
missing sex toy charge,
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and another charge, but the DA
acted on his instincts
and he was right.
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On, June second, 2000,
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we arrested Robinson
at his trailer in Olathe.
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But we originally
wanted to go while
Nancy was home
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and confront him
in front of his wife,
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but we were late, I was there
when they walked him out.
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And he said that, "You're
making quite a production
out of this."
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And had a smirk on his face,
like, "You have
nothing on me."
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The search of his home,
turned up amazing evidence
against him.
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He had paperwork on Stasi,
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he had paperwork on Godfrey.
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We saw Clampitt's
name in there.
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We didn't really go through
'em at the scene,
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but we knew we had
a treasure trove of paper
evidence on him from there.
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One of the big things
that was found
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during the execution of
the search warrant
at Robinson's house
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was a receipt from
the Rodeway Inn,
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from back in 1985,
when Lisa Stasi disappeared.
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Why he kept that, who knows.
But that was big
piece of evidence.
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We discovered that Robinson
had two storage units, one was
located in Olathe, Kansas,
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one was located
in Raymore, Missouri.
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They searched his
Kansas storage locker,
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and they found some of his
victims' birth certificates
and driving licenses
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and personal papers.
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This quiet pastor land,
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three miles north
of La Cygne, Kansas,
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is now the focus
of an investigation.
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I would say probably
the first hour and
a half in the search
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on the Linn county property
turned out basically nothing.
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It was very extensive,
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there was a pond
on the property
that they drained.
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We have a very large
crime scene here,
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by means of 16 and half
acres of ground.
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Suspecting there
was the possibility
of human remains,
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a cadaver dog was brought
in to help search the area
in a more non-intrusive way.
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The dogs hit on two barrels
next to a storage shed.
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The barrels were
right out in the open along
with a bunch of other junk.
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It was a 85 gallon barrel
and I... I actually
laid it down.
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And rolled it over
some grass
and stuff and
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when we lifted it back up,
we saw a little red streak,
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of red liquid going down
the side of the barrel.
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We took a wrench
and undid the barrel,
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and lifted the lid,
and that was our first body.
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That first drum turned
out to be Suzette Trouten.
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Shortly, after that
the second barrel
was brought out,
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and that was
victim number two.
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It was like, okay,
how far is this gonna go?
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Welcome back
to Very Scary People.
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While searching
John Robinson's
rural Kansas property,
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detectives found two barrels.
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The first contained the body
of his former BDSM partner,
Suzette Trouten.
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In the second barrel,
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a previously unknown
female victim.
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As with everything
in this case, when
it started to unravel,
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the truth was hard to believe.
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When we opened the second
barrel and found that
there was a body in there,
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we saw that it was decomposed
quite a bit, it had been there
for quite some time.
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Those turned
out to be the remains
of Izabela Lewicka.
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She was not on anybody's
radar at the time.
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She was a 19 year-old from
Indiana, had actually been a
student of Purdue University.
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An aspiring artist.
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She had come to the
Kansas City area after
meeting Robinson online.
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He tells her that he will
put her up there,
he will take care of her.
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And, they will have
a sexual relationship.
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Robinson had
a contract drawn up,
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and Lewicka
signed the contract.
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She was a slave to Robinson,
who was her master.
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She basically is owned body
and soul by John Robinson.
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He takes her
around Kansas City,
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he introduces her as his
daughter because she is quite
a bit younger than she is.
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Robinson was with Izabela
a while longer than he was
with any of the other girls.
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I found the marriage
license application,
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with her name on it.
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And, obviously they didn't
actually really get married.
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But, I think, he probably
deceived her into thinking
that they were.
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And she would introduce
herself as being his wife.
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After being here in the
Kansas City area for
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way over a year,
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she disappeared.
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My mother said
that there was call for me
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and he said he was from
Lenexa Police Department,
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and he said,
"Do you know, John Robinson?"
and I said, "Yes."
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He said, "Okay,
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we have reason to think
that he's been involved
in some illegal dealings."
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I went in my parents' bedroom
and turned the TV on.
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A Kansas man, accused
of luring women over
the internet for sex,
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is the prime suspect in
a series of brutal killings
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that may date back
more than a decade.
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00:27:08,934 --> 00:27:12,300
It was hard
to believe that he would
have done anything like that.
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00:27:12,333 --> 00:27:18,300
I was never really suspicious.
I guess I'm not a
suspicious person.
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00:27:18,333 --> 00:27:22,300
We called Barbara Sandre
and asked her if we could
search her apartment,
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where we knew that
there was a lot
of property there.
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00:27:25,967 --> 00:27:32,066
And, she stated that
John Robinson had given all
that stuff to her.
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00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:35,300
It appears that the furniture
and possessions that
I had at the house
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00:27:36,433 --> 00:27:37,967
belonged to Izabela Lewicka.
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00:27:39,433 --> 00:27:42,934
All the furniture had
once belonged to Izabela,
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00:27:42,967 --> 00:27:46,266
and he'd given to Barbara
after he killed her.
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00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:48,634
She was an artist.
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00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:51,767
And so her paintings
were decorating the walls
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00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,934
of Barbara Sandre,
unbeknownst to Barbara Sandre.
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00:27:55,967 --> 00:28:01,300
John Robinson had
written JR on 'em and passed
them off as his artwork
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00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:02,967
to impress Barbara Sandre.
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00:28:07,734 --> 00:28:09,700
The police
were wondering,
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how these letters from
his victims have been sent
from all over the world
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especially Europe.
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00:28:15,967 --> 00:28:19,934
The police were able
to figure out that
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00:28:19,967 --> 00:28:25,600
John Robinson had enlisted
Barbara Sandre, who
lived in Europe at the time,
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00:28:25,634 --> 00:28:30,367
to send letters
and get post marks
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00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,900
for his daughter, who he
said was collecting
international post marks.
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00:28:35,734 --> 00:28:39,467
He sent packets
of letters to her
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00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:42,967
and she mailed them
from these foreign locations,
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00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,266
to the family
of Beverly Bonner,
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00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:47,834
to Sheila and Debbie
Faith's relatives.
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They were closed envelopes.
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And I had to put the
stamps on it.
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And they had
no return address.
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I didn't think
anything weird of it.
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Good afternoon everybody.
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00:29:02,467 --> 00:29:03,367
My name is Chris Koster,
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00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,266
I'm the Cass county
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00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:05,734
prosecuting attorney.
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00:29:05,767 --> 00:29:09,233
On Monday morning.
Raymore police and members
of Johnson county, Kansas
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00:29:09,266 --> 00:29:15,100
law enforcement agencies,
entered a storage locker
in Raymore, Missouri.
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00:29:15,133 --> 00:29:20,567
The final search
warrant was for a storage
facility in Missouri.
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00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,066
The locker was
associated with John
Robinson aged 56.
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They didn't expect
to find anything there,
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00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,934
other than, maybe
background information.
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And, lo and behold
they almost immediately
discovered bodies.
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They found
three barrels,
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00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:46,367
and in those three barrels,
they found three other bodies,
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00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,066
which turned out to be
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00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:52,100
Beverly Bonner, Sheila Faith
and her daughter Debbie Faith.
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00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,433
They were very far
in the back,
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00:29:56,467 --> 00:29:59,033
indicating, they'd been
there a long time.
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He had kitty litter
all along the floor
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00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,367
to absorb any liquid which
may have come out of them.
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00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,166
And they were each,
individually wrapped.
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00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,400
We now realize, this
guy is a serial killer.
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00:30:32,033 --> 00:30:35,700
The coroners and the
forensic experts believe that
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00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:39,867
the cause of death for
the five victims found
in the barrels,
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00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,800
was blunt forced
trauma to the head.
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00:30:42,834 --> 00:30:44,767
Although, they couldn't
say absolutely,
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00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,834
it appeared that
a hammer was used from
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00:30:48,867 --> 00:30:52,934
the circular trauma that
each suffered.
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00:30:52,967 --> 00:30:57,533
They were never able
to locate the murder weapon.
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00:30:57,567 --> 00:30:59,333
So nobody's
ever gonna know.
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00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:01,934
Except John Robinson.
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00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,667
Robinson as
the killer, is a curious
person to define.
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00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,734
I think Robinson killed all
these women for many reasons.
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00:31:14,767 --> 00:31:16,333
They were all different.
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00:31:16,367 --> 00:31:22,200
Because of his interest
in BDSM, it's obvious
that he likes to hurt people.
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00:31:22,233 --> 00:31:25,867
He was collecting
alimony from Beverly Bonner.
461
00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:28,834
Izabela Lewicka,
she had a checking account.
462
00:31:28,867 --> 00:31:33,200
After he killed her,
he emptied the
checking account.
463
00:31:33,233 --> 00:31:38,433
But somewhere along
the line, I think his
sexual perversion increased,
464
00:31:38,467 --> 00:31:45,367
and he realized while killing
these women, that's the
ultimate satisfaction.
465
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,233
I mean, what greater
satisfaction to a
sexually deviant person?
466
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,667
After Robinson's
arrest, he was charged in
Johnson's county, Kansas,
467
00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:05,333
with capital murder,
which is punishable by death.
468
00:32:05,367 --> 00:32:13,166
We tried him for the murders
of Lisa Stasi, Suzette Trouten
and Izabela Lewicka.
469
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,834
In trial the
prosecuting attorney talked
a lot about his early life.
470
00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:21,834
The different business
that he was involved in.
471
00:32:22,867 --> 00:32:26,600
And the other side of him.
472
00:32:26,634 --> 00:32:33,467
The prosecution presented
a 39 minute video tape
of the sexual encounter
473
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:38,233
between John Robinson
and Suzette Trouten
in a hotel room.
474
00:32:38,266 --> 00:32:43,233
John Robinson was talking
in a very cold,
flat demeanor,
475
00:32:43,266 --> 00:32:47,500
issuing commands to his
submissive Suzette.
476
00:32:47,533 --> 00:32:51,100
The prosecuting attorney
thought it was very important
477
00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:58,100
that the jury see this video
to understand the control that
Robinson had over his victims.
478
00:33:00,433 --> 00:33:04,300
The sound
of his voice on that tape,
I'll never forget,
479
00:33:04,333 --> 00:33:08,000
because it was truly
terrifying to hear him speak
480
00:33:08,033 --> 00:33:10,400
those commands
to Suzette Trouten.
481
00:33:10,433 --> 00:33:13,667
To see this cheerful,
482
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:18,200
nice gentleman, and
realizing at the same time,
483
00:33:18,233 --> 00:33:22,200
his personality contains
someone who beats women
to death with a hammer.
484
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,500
Surprisingly, Robinson had
taped all this over
485
00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:33,000
a Willy Wonka and
the Chocolate Factory tape.
486
00:33:33,033 --> 00:33:36,800
So, nothing could've
underscored more
the double life
487
00:33:36,834 --> 00:33:38,900
of the doting father,
488
00:33:38,934 --> 00:33:41,567
and the sexual predator
in that moment.
489
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,233
He was found guilty,
490
00:33:47,934 --> 00:33:50,233
and he was sentenced to death.
491
00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:54,166
He was such a monster that
492
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,533
I didn't have a problem
giving him the death penalty.
493
00:34:00,266 --> 00:34:02,634
It didn't bring back
any of these women,
494
00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:06,233
and if anything,
the death sentence adds
495
00:34:07,333 --> 00:34:09,900
more notoriety to the person.
496
00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,066
It adds more appeals,
497
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:20,600
it has allowed John to relive
the fantasies and the
murders over and over again.
498
00:34:21,634 --> 00:34:24,033
It was time for these victims
499
00:34:24,066 --> 00:34:25,600
to get some peace.
500
00:34:25,634 --> 00:34:31,367
After the Kansas conviction,
he was due to go on trial
for the three murders,
501
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,100
in Missouri of Beverly Bonner,
and Debbie and Sheila Faith.
502
00:34:36,133 --> 00:34:39,233
And ultimately they ended up
working out a plea deal,
503
00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:44,400
where he plead guilty to the
murders of the two women and
the girl found in the barrels,
504
00:34:44,433 --> 00:34:47,634
as well as the victims
from the 1980's.
505
00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:54,467
But, he never revealed
what happened to them.
506
00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,233
I think that is one little
507
00:34:57,266 --> 00:35:01,667
kernel of control and power
that he wasn't
willing to give up.
508
00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:08,867
There were three
bodies of adults that are
509
00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:15,000
not accounted for,
Paula Godfrey, Lisa Stasi
and Catherine Clampitt.
510
00:35:15,033 --> 00:35:19,800
And the baby that,
Lisa Stasi had, Tiffany.
511
00:35:19,834 --> 00:35:22,634
Do you have
any reason to believe
the baby is alive?
512
00:35:24,166 --> 00:35:25,867
We have no idea
about that baby.
513
00:35:38,433 --> 00:35:41,800
Two bodies were
found on the Kansas side,
514
00:35:42,967 --> 00:35:47,233
and three bodies were found
on the Missouri side.
515
00:35:47,266 --> 00:35:51,800
That leaves three bodies
that are not accounted for.
516
00:35:51,834 --> 00:35:57,400
Paula Godfrey, Lisa Stasi
and Catherine Clampitt.
517
00:35:57,433 --> 00:36:02,200
And the baby
that Lisa Stasi had, Tiffany.
518
00:36:03,967 --> 00:36:07,533
Just when you think
this case can't get
any more...
519
00:36:08,667 --> 00:36:09,533
...weird.
520
00:36:11,066 --> 00:36:13,100
Police received a tip
521
00:36:13,133 --> 00:36:16,200
that Robinsons
older brother, Don,
522
00:36:16,233 --> 00:36:19,834
had adopted a baby,
about the same time
523
00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:23,066
that Lisa Stasi and
her baby Tiffany
had gone missing.
524
00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:27,467
In the fall of 1984,
525
00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,300
John's brother had told him
526
00:36:30,333 --> 00:36:33,600
that he was having
trouble adopting.
527
00:36:33,634 --> 00:36:38,333
And I think, he told John
how much money it costs
528
00:36:38,367 --> 00:36:41,367
to actually adopt the child.
529
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,834
And John thinking, "Well,
that's a lot of money,
that money can be mine."
530
00:36:46,567 --> 00:36:49,533
In January, he gets the baby,
531
00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:53,133
and contacts his
brother and says,
532
00:36:53,166 --> 00:36:57,033
"You know, you've gotta
travel here, because I've got
a baby for you."
533
00:36:57,066 --> 00:37:02,767
He asked his older brother
to pay him $5,500
for this baby,
534
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,433
and he presented what
looked like legitimate
adoption papers.
535
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,734
Which was all
dummied up by John Robinson,
536
00:37:10,767 --> 00:37:15,734
so we got thinking
about that and,
secured her birth records.
537
00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:18,567
Including the footprints
that were taken at her birth.
538
00:37:19,967 --> 00:37:23,233
Ultimately, they ended up
discovering that this
539
00:37:23,266 --> 00:37:26,433
girl who'd been raised
by Robinson's brother
540
00:37:28,033 --> 00:37:28,934
was Tiffany.
541
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,367
How much crazier
can this thing be?
542
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,233
We found that there
were some pictures,
543
00:37:36,266 --> 00:37:38,400
thy were
Polaroids taken back
544
00:37:38,433 --> 00:37:44,367
when John Robinson
actually had Tiffany
on his lap with all the kids,
545
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,767
and Nancy surrounding him.
546
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,900
Just one, big happy family,
with its little baby
547
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:54,433
that was going
to go and become
his brother's child.
548
00:37:56,467 --> 00:37:59,667
They had no idea
there was anything wrong.
549
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,567
John Robinson told
everybody else that the mom
550
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,800
was destitute and
had killed herself
in a hotel room.
551
00:38:05,834 --> 00:38:08,467
The day that Lisa Stasi
disappeared is the same day
552
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,767
that baby was brought
home to Robinson's house,
553
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,066
be turned over
to John Robinson's brother.
554
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:17,500
So, one would assume
that she met her demise
about that time.
555
00:38:18,967 --> 00:38:20,467
Perhaps that same day.
556
00:38:21,934 --> 00:38:26,266
Tiffany went to
Chicago, she would be
renamed, Heather,
557
00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:30,266
and she would live
her life with that family,
uh, thereafter.
558
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:35,900
She kept out
of the public eye,
till a few years ago.
559
00:38:35,934 --> 00:38:38,834
To think,
he is willing to kill
560
00:38:38,867 --> 00:38:42,634
a mother to get a baby,
is chilling.
561
00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:46,634
What could be more
cold-blooded than that?
562
00:38:46,667 --> 00:38:50,834
I was stupefied that
this actually happened.
563
00:38:50,867 --> 00:38:54,300
That he actually stole a baby
and killed its mother,
564
00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:57,100
which he actually
charged his brother for,
565
00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,333
that took the cake.
566
00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:01,834
We, as a family,
567
00:39:01,867 --> 00:39:05,300
have followed the events
of last week in horror
and dismay
568
00:39:05,333 --> 00:39:06,800
along with each of you.
569
00:39:06,834 --> 00:39:12,033
Nancy Robinson, and her
four children made a joint
family statement,
570
00:39:12,066 --> 00:39:15,467
denying any knowledge of what
John Robinson had done.
571
00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:18,333
As each day has passed,
these surreal events
572
00:39:18,367 --> 00:39:22,500
have built into a narrative,
that is almost beyond
comprehension.
573
00:39:22,533 --> 00:39:27,033
While we do not discount
the information that has and
continues to come to light,
574
00:39:27,066 --> 00:39:30,066
we do not know the person,
whom we have read about
and heard about on TV.
575
00:39:33,433 --> 00:39:36,767
There is always a
speculation about how much
did the wife know.
576
00:39:38,767 --> 00:39:42,500
My guess is that this is one
of those marriages where
she knew about
577
00:39:42,533 --> 00:39:45,700
some of his prior
criminal conduct relating to
578
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,033
scams and things like that.
579
00:39:49,066 --> 00:39:51,700
I don't think most people
involved in this
investigation,
580
00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:55,667
if anybody really thought
that she knew
about homicides.
581
00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:58,200
We have never seen
any behavior that would have
led us to believe that
582
00:39:58,233 --> 00:40:00,500
anything that we are
now hearing could be possible.
583
00:40:01,367 --> 00:40:04,567
They were married
for over 40 years.
584
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,133
And, uh, she only
finally filed for divorce,
585
00:40:08,166 --> 00:40:11,166
like several years
after all of this stuff broke.
586
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,467
His kids, loved him,
even during the course
of the investigation,
587
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:20,000
had a difficult time
believing that we
had the right person.
588
00:40:20,033 --> 00:40:23,667
He still had this
veneer of this family man.
589
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,867
Even his own
closest family members,
590
00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:29,934
they said they didn't know
he was doing all of this.
591
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,667
What kind of person
is John Robinson?
592
00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:39,967
John Robinson,
I mean, he's... he's evil.
593
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,066
This guy is just evil.
594
00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:47,333
He was a sadistic,
and a sociopathic monster.
595
00:40:47,367 --> 00:40:50,467
He's a kind of person wouldn't
think of thing
about killing you.
596
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,300
To kill people,
kill disabled people,
597
00:40:53,333 --> 00:40:56,900
kill innocent women,
kill vulnerable women,
598
00:40:56,934 --> 00:41:00,600
collect their disability,
social security and
alimony checks,
599
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,533
how would you live
with yourself?
600
00:41:03,567 --> 00:41:07,266
As far as I know,
he's never expressed
any remorse.
601
00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:10,133
I think that just shows,
what kind of person he is.
602
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,266
I think one of the
questions that many of us
603
00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,033
involved in
this investigation have are,
604
00:41:17,066 --> 00:41:19,967
are there more victims
out there that we don't
know about?
605
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,567
There may be more
storage barrels with bodies,
606
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,300
in other places, that
have never been found,
607
00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:28,233
which is creepier than hell.
608
00:41:29,433 --> 00:41:30,400
I wouldn't worry.
609
00:41:31,133 --> 00:41:32,433
I'm sure they're fine.
610
00:41:35,467 --> 00:41:39,266
John Robinson
is considered the internet's
first serial killer.
611
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,200
But, sadly of course
he wasn't the last.
612
00:41:42,233 --> 00:41:45,567
The plea deal in Missouri
gave Robinson life in prison.
613
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,200
And although he remains
on death row in Kansas,
614
00:41:48,233 --> 00:41:50,634
his execution seems unlikely.
615
00:41:50,667 --> 00:41:54,567
It would mark the first one
in state since 1965.
616
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,934
Either way,
Robinson will die in prison.
617
00:41:57,967 --> 00:42:00,533
I'm Donnie Wahlberg,
thanks for watching.
618
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,900
Good night.
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