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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,634 --> 00:00:10,734 You haven't heard anything in a couple of weeks? 2 00:00:10,767 --> 00:00:13,800 You don't think that I should like, notify somebody or something? 3 00:00:13,834 --> 00:00:15,333 Why? 4 00:00:15,367 --> 00:00:17,634 I worry. How would you feel if it was one of your daughters? 5 00:00:17,667 --> 00:00:19,734 Well, well my daughter's... 6 00:00:19,767 --> 00:00:22,400 you know I... 7 00:00:22,433 --> 00:00:24,533 My daughter went and travelled through Europe for a whole summer 8 00:00:24,567 --> 00:00:26,467 and I didn't hear from her. All I got was postcards. 9 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:28,734 Well... 10 00:00:28,767 --> 00:00:30,700 I know how young people are today. 11 00:00:52,734 --> 00:00:54,467 Welcome to Very Scary People. 12 00:00:54,500 --> 00:00:56,066 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 13 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:59,066 He called himself, "The Slave Master." 14 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:04,033 A seemingly unassuming family man who had a secret obsession for rough sex 15 00:01:04,066 --> 00:01:07,100 including, bondage and sadomasochism. 16 00:01:07,133 --> 00:01:10,333 But there was an even darker side to John Robinson. 17 00:01:10,367 --> 00:01:14,133 At least six women who became involved with Robinson in some way, 18 00:01:14,166 --> 00:01:16,000 vanished without a trace. 19 00:01:16,033 --> 00:01:20,667 By the late '90s after years of trolling for prey through newspaper ads, 20 00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:23,300 Robinson discovered a new way to find victims. 21 00:01:23,734 --> 00:01:25,166 The internet. 22 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,900 This is part two of "The Slave Master". 23 00:01:38,867 --> 00:01:42,433 In 1964, Robinson met his wife Nancy, 24 00:01:42,467 --> 00:01:45,000 and, they had four kids. 25 00:01:45,033 --> 00:01:49,934 Ironically, he had a reputation in the community of being the family man. 26 00:01:49,967 --> 00:01:52,834 He appeared to be a caring loving father, 27 00:01:52,867 --> 00:01:55,333 he was involved in his kids activities, 28 00:01:55,367 --> 00:01:57,967 he was involved in his church. 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,967 Average dumpy looking guy. 30 00:02:00,066 --> 00:02:03,567 But, he's smart, smooth talker, very dangerous. 31 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,333 He would have many affairs with different women. 32 00:02:07,367 --> 00:02:14,934 An area of interest that he took on was the BDSM lifestyle. 33 00:02:14,967 --> 00:02:19,500 BDSM is bondage, discipline, and 34 00:02:19,533 --> 00:02:22,033 sadomasochistic sexual relations. 35 00:02:22,066 --> 00:02:25,233 He went by the name Slave Master on the computer, 36 00:02:25,266 --> 00:02:28,066 soliciting sadomasochistic sex over the internet. 37 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,233 The first part of his career, he was, 38 00:02:34,266 --> 00:02:37,266 kind of the archetypal small time chiseler. 39 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:39,400 He faked his credentials, 40 00:02:39,433 --> 00:02:41,734 got jobs he wasn't qualified for, 41 00:02:41,767 --> 00:02:45,767 and milked the companies for various amounts of money. 42 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,667 And more often than not, got away with it. 43 00:02:47,700 --> 00:02:52,767 But by the eighties, he was evolving into something else. 44 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,700 John Edward Robinson Sr. apparently knew no bounds to his sadism. 45 00:02:56,734 --> 00:03:00,934 There were five women, one teenager and one baby missing. 46 00:03:00,967 --> 00:03:02,000 Paula Godfrey... 47 00:03:02,033 --> 00:03:03,266 Lisa Stasi... 48 00:03:03,300 --> 00:03:05,066 Baby Tiffany... 49 00:03:05,100 --> 00:03:06,200 Catherine Clampitt... 50 00:03:06,233 --> 00:03:08,500 A woman by the name of Beverly Bonner... 51 00:03:08,533 --> 00:03:10,166 and Sheila and Debbie Faith. 52 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,333 Part of Robinson's MO was that he had 53 00:03:13,367 --> 00:03:19,734 women sign stationary that he could use later to send to their relatives. 54 00:03:19,767 --> 00:03:24,266 After about of decade of instances where women met 55 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:27,767 John Robinson and then disappeared, it's still happening. 56 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,000 John Robinson was becoming emboldened 57 00:03:30,033 --> 00:03:34,033 by the fact that he was getting away with it, made him feel that he was... 58 00:03:34,934 --> 00:03:36,300 He was never gonna get caught. 59 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:47,066 In the fall of 1999, Robinson meets a young woman from Michigan, 60 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:51,066 by the name of Suzette Trouten, who's 27 years old, 61 00:03:51,100 --> 00:03:54,300 Suzette lived in Michigan, with her mother Carol. 62 00:03:54,333 --> 00:03:58,667 And she's interested in the BDSM lifestyle, 63 00:03:58,700 --> 00:04:02,700 Robinson met Suzette through an online chatroom. 64 00:04:02,734 --> 00:04:05,166 He was looking for a submissive, 65 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,700 and Suzette was looking for a master. 66 00:04:08,734 --> 00:04:12,033 He enticed her to come to Kansas City. 67 00:04:12,066 --> 00:04:15,533 He said I've got an old father, 68 00:04:15,567 --> 00:04:16,900 he's not in good health, 69 00:04:16,934 --> 00:04:21,500 I need you to come out here and nurse him and take care of him. 70 00:04:21,533 --> 00:04:26,834 She was supposed to be hired, at around $65,000 a year. 71 00:04:26,867 --> 00:04:29,166 He was going to pay her schooling, 72 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,533 he was going to put her up with a place to stay, 73 00:04:32,567 --> 00:04:36,367 and her only job was to take care of his aging father. 74 00:04:39,700 --> 00:04:42,800 So, she packs up her life, 75 00:04:42,834 --> 00:04:47,500 and her two little Pekingese dogs that she never went anywhere without, 76 00:04:47,533 --> 00:04:51,567 and moves to the Kansas City area to be with John Robinson. 77 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,000 She arrived on Valentine's Day, 2000. 78 00:04:56,033 --> 00:05:00,700 And was put up in the Guesthouse, in Lenexa, Kansas. 79 00:05:00,734 --> 00:05:05,033 For several weeks, he has sex with her a lot, does the whole BDSM thing. 80 00:05:05,066 --> 00:05:09,266 In at least one of the sessions that Robinson had with Suzette Trouten 81 00:05:09,300 --> 00:05:13,400 in the hotel room, he began filming and photographing. 82 00:05:13,433 --> 00:05:17,233 And on March first, she totally disappeared. 83 00:05:21,734 --> 00:05:27,433 Suzette was a young woman who had daily conversations with her mom. 84 00:05:27,467 --> 00:05:31,567 When her mom, didn't start hearing from Suzette, 85 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,700 she knew something was wrong. 86 00:05:33,734 --> 00:05:35,767 Carolyn Trouten was very concerned, 87 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,233 and she reached out to the police here, 88 00:05:39,266 --> 00:05:41,467 in the city of Overland Park. 89 00:05:41,500 --> 00:05:45,100 Carolyn Trouten actually knew who John Robinson was, 90 00:05:45,133 --> 00:05:47,533 because Suzette had told her about him. 91 00:05:47,567 --> 00:05:50,133 The Overland Park Police Department had these old cases, 92 00:05:50,166 --> 00:05:53,600 the Godfrey case, the Stasi case. 93 00:05:53,634 --> 00:05:56,100 Some of the old timers, I guess, recognized, 94 00:05:56,133 --> 00:05:58,200 "Hey, we've had missing person 95 00:05:58,233 --> 00:06:02,033 reports in the past involving this guy and now we have another one." 96 00:06:02,066 --> 00:06:06,533 There was this connection, that they began putting the pieces together, 97 00:06:06,567 --> 00:06:08,500 that this guy is a serial killer. 98 00:06:08,533 --> 00:06:11,800 I mean, there's no sequences, like that, that often so, 99 00:06:11,834 --> 00:06:16,266 literally within about 24 hours, we had a task force together, 100 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:19,166 comprised of our office and several police departments, 101 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,033 that started working non-stop on that case. 102 00:06:24,133 --> 00:06:27,133 We could not arrest him, we had no information 103 00:06:27,166 --> 00:06:30,867 no evidence of anything at that point. 104 00:06:30,900 --> 00:06:32,300 We don't have a case. 105 00:06:32,333 --> 00:06:35,166 They trail him around town, 106 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,867 they see what his routines are, they see what his activities are. 107 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:44,100 We follow him, hoping he would lead us to some other evidence. 108 00:06:44,133 --> 00:06:46,133 To try to piece together 109 00:06:46,166 --> 00:06:49,500 exactly what happened in each and everyone of these events. 110 00:06:49,533 --> 00:06:51,433 What he did, how he did it, 111 00:06:51,467 --> 00:06:53,967 where kinds of things that would allow us to 112 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,800 put together a comprehensive picture of what took place. 113 00:06:59,367 --> 00:07:02,033 John Robinson lived in a mobile home community, 114 00:07:02,066 --> 00:07:04,934 that is a very close knit community. 115 00:07:04,967 --> 00:07:10,000 The residences basically sits side by side, everybody knows everybody. 116 00:07:10,033 --> 00:07:14,166 We couldn't even drive through that complex without being suspicious. 117 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,700 So, we would sit outside the complex, 118 00:07:17,734 --> 00:07:21,066 and wait for John Robinson to leave. There was a 119 00:07:21,100 --> 00:07:23,834 kind of a hill south of the complex, 120 00:07:23,867 --> 00:07:27,033 and an officer would setup there on a lounge chair 121 00:07:27,066 --> 00:07:30,400 on some people's property, watching so that they can tell 122 00:07:30,433 --> 00:07:33,233 when John Robinson was leaving. 123 00:07:33,266 --> 00:07:37,033 The officer gets so familiar with the people that he actually mowed their 124 00:07:37,066 --> 00:07:39,066 backyard a couple of times, 125 00:07:39,100 --> 00:07:41,100 just so it didn't look so suspicious. 126 00:07:46,967 --> 00:07:50,867 The task force was doing as much as they could to survey, 127 00:07:50,900 --> 00:07:53,667 and build a case against Robinson. 128 00:07:53,700 --> 00:07:57,934 They would masquerade as trash men and pick up his trash. 129 00:07:57,967 --> 00:08:04,166 They would find messages and letters and things that had been shredded in his trash 130 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,433 and they painstakingly put all of those back together. 131 00:08:11,033 --> 00:08:15,100 John Robinson was driving all over the metro area. 132 00:08:15,133 --> 00:08:18,934 He bought this property which was a sixteen and a half acre track, 133 00:08:19,500 --> 00:08:20,934 down in Linn county, 134 00:08:20,967 --> 00:08:24,967 which is a remote rural area about an hour of south of Kansas City. 135 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,500 It's a getaway, so to speak, and was supposedly gonna fix it up and, 136 00:08:30,533 --> 00:08:32,667 use it as a second home. 137 00:08:32,700 --> 00:08:36,634 They would have them do surveillance atop telephone poles, 138 00:08:36,667 --> 00:08:39,066 you know, binoculars and they would watch him. 139 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:43,066 They were pretty much leaving no stone unturned. 140 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:44,934 They weren't ready to arrest him yet, 141 00:08:44,967 --> 00:08:46,900 they had to have an air tight case 142 00:08:46,934 --> 00:08:49,667 before they could arrest him. They knew he was slippery. 143 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:53,500 I think everybody was on the same page. It's one of those projects where 144 00:08:53,533 --> 00:08:57,667 every person involved knew how important it was and they knew, 145 00:08:57,700 --> 00:08:59,166 we're saving lives by 146 00:09:00,233 --> 00:09:01,367 getting this guy off of the streets. 147 00:09:03,367 --> 00:09:06,700 One of the challenges was, if he's killing, what's he done with their bodies? 148 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,600 One of the more interesting twists 149 00:09:23,634 --> 00:09:27,734 in Robinson's story, is lady called Barbara Sandre. 150 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,700 I met John Robinson in 1963 in Toronto. 151 00:09:34,734 --> 00:09:38,266 I was 15 and he was 19. 152 00:09:38,300 --> 00:09:42,700 He was slim, he had blonde hair, a nice looking guy. 153 00:09:42,734 --> 00:09:45,500 I think we liked each other. I think the feelings were mutual. 154 00:09:45,533 --> 00:09:49,333 We kept in touch on a regular basis. 155 00:09:49,367 --> 00:09:53,533 They stayed pen pals and occasionally, he would come and visit her. 156 00:09:53,567 --> 00:09:55,533 As far as I was concerned, he was nice. 157 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,166 They fell out of touch for many years and reconnected in 1993. 158 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,033 At that time I was running a translation company in England. 159 00:10:06,066 --> 00:10:08,967 John Robinson actually told Barbara Sandre 160 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,867 that he was not married and that he simply had four children from an... adoption. 161 00:10:13,900 --> 00:10:18,500 Apparently, his brother had died in car accident and they were the brother's kids. 162 00:10:18,533 --> 00:10:22,266 And this was not true, he was adept at lying to everyone, 163 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:25,200 to his wife, to his victims, to everybody. 164 00:10:26,033 --> 00:10:28,333 He was a pathological liar. 165 00:10:28,367 --> 00:10:31,133 We kept in touch by telephone, 166 00:10:31,166 --> 00:10:33,500 and, we wrote each other every week. 167 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:49,100 She moved down to Kansas City in the late 1990's. 168 00:10:49,133 --> 00:10:53,166 The reason I went was because there was this unfinished thing. 169 00:10:55,734 --> 00:10:57,266 He said he worked for the government. 170 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:58,800 He had a security job, 171 00:10:58,834 --> 00:11:02,500 and he said, that would be the reason why he was away all the time. 172 00:11:02,533 --> 00:11:04,200 So, because of his important position, 173 00:11:04,233 --> 00:11:06,333 I was supposed to keep a low profile. 174 00:11:06,367 --> 00:11:08,834 Initially, the apartment that I first rented, 175 00:11:08,867 --> 00:11:11,200 when I got there was an executive let, 176 00:11:11,233 --> 00:11:13,033 where you get everything. 177 00:11:13,066 --> 00:11:16,400 And then they had some duplexes that were considerably cheaper 178 00:11:16,433 --> 00:11:19,600 but you have to bring everything, and I mentioned it to him 179 00:11:19,634 --> 00:11:23,000 and he said, "That's not a problem, I have lots of furniture I can give you." 180 00:11:23,033 --> 00:11:24,934 And he arrived with everything I needed. 181 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,233 Furniture, bedding, pillows... 182 00:11:30,367 --> 00:11:33,266 Even a Crock-pot full of rotten food. 183 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:35,400 A mattress in the bed did have a stain on it, 184 00:11:37,533 --> 00:11:42,233 but he said that was a result of a daughter's bad period. 185 00:11:42,266 --> 00:11:45,066 At the time, it wasn't something, were you would be thinking, 186 00:11:45,100 --> 00:11:46,700 I wonder if he killed somebody? 187 00:11:46,734 --> 00:11:49,300 You know, you were happy that you didn't have to go buy a bed. 188 00:11:50,967 --> 00:11:54,867 He brought me paintings and he said he had painted them and, 189 00:11:54,900 --> 00:11:56,700 they had his JR in every corner. 190 00:12:00,967 --> 00:12:05,333 He asked me for money on a few occasions and I gave him 191 00:12:05,367 --> 00:12:08,900 maybe $20,000 over a period of time. 192 00:12:08,934 --> 00:12:13,500 Because, that property in Linn county there, 193 00:12:13,533 --> 00:12:16,100 was just a field when he first bought it, 194 00:12:16,133 --> 00:12:18,634 and he said we were gonna live there one day. 195 00:12:20,967 --> 00:12:24,133 He didn't come as often as I maybe would have liked to have seen him. 196 00:12:24,166 --> 00:12:25,834 But we talked everyday. 197 00:12:25,867 --> 00:12:27,300 Sometimes more than once, 198 00:12:28,367 --> 00:12:30,133 if I was misbehaving. 199 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:35,433 Going out and not coming home till late or 200 00:12:35,467 --> 00:12:41,000 having somebody over, those were all no-no's as far as he was concerned. 201 00:12:41,033 --> 00:12:44,333 But there was no aspect of BDSM in our relationship. 202 00:12:44,367 --> 00:12:46,033 I would have run a mile. 203 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:49,867 He never would have seen me again from that day forward. 204 00:12:57,700 --> 00:12:59,900 Nancy said, she was his wife 205 00:12:59,934 --> 00:13:05,800 and that, you know, I shouldn't believe everything that I was being told. 206 00:13:05,834 --> 00:13:09,033 That I was one of many women that he was running around with, 207 00:13:09,066 --> 00:13:11,834 or had run around with over the years. 208 00:13:11,867 --> 00:13:14,900 By this time, Nancy Robinson would be married to John Robinson, 209 00:13:14,934 --> 00:13:17,133 I think, almost 40 years. 210 00:13:17,166 --> 00:13:20,467 And I asked him, what's with this Nancy person? 211 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:26,467 And he said, "Oh, Nancy, Nancy is my, is the au pair that I hired to take care of the kids 212 00:13:26,500 --> 00:13:28,233 when they were little. 213 00:13:28,266 --> 00:13:31,367 And, she's been stalking me for years. 214 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,867 I thought it was a little bit strange, 215 00:13:34,900 --> 00:13:37,066 but I took it for face value. 216 00:13:37,100 --> 00:13:39,667 When he said something, you believed him. 217 00:13:39,700 --> 00:13:41,333 He wasn't a wishy-washy man, 218 00:13:41,367 --> 00:13:43,967 you know, there was no more discussion about it. 219 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,800 I don't think the gist of the letter from Nancy was for me to stop seeing him. 220 00:13:47,834 --> 00:13:52,567 But, she just wanted me to understand what kind of person he was. 221 00:13:54,734 --> 00:13:57,033 You didn't dare question him. 222 00:13:57,066 --> 00:14:00,834 Once on the phone he got quite mad at me and, 223 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,467 I remember saying to him, 224 00:14:03,500 --> 00:14:05,634 "Instead of us discussing this on the telephone 225 00:14:05,667 --> 00:14:09,000 why don't you come over here and let's talk about it face to face." 226 00:14:10,433 --> 00:14:12,467 And he said, "I'm too mad at you right now, 227 00:14:12,500 --> 00:14:14,900 if I came there my kids would have to visit me in jail." 228 00:14:44,533 --> 00:14:46,567 When we took over the case, 229 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,166 one of our detectives flew up 230 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,567 to Michigan and talked to Suzette's mother, 231 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,867 and he set him up with a recording device for her telephone. 232 00:14:56,900 --> 00:15:00,367 One ironclad rule for John Robinson was, 233 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,533 essentially to isolate, 234 00:15:02,567 --> 00:15:04,934 the women from their families. 235 00:15:04,967 --> 00:15:09,266 The fact that Suzette Trouten's mother and Suzette 236 00:15:09,300 --> 00:15:13,367 talked everyday was a key factor in this case. 237 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:16,066 At some point, she gave her mother his number. 238 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:23,367 They actually recorded a conversation on the phone, 239 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,266 between her and John Robinson. 240 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:44,266 He said, " Well, I don't know, she was here and she... 241 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:49,500 met some guy and she left and... that's all I know about it." 242 00:16:16,166 --> 00:16:19,433 The guy is, quick on his feet, 243 00:16:19,467 --> 00:16:23,033 in regards to coming up with answers and lies. 244 00:16:23,066 --> 00:16:26,300 I couldn't figure out how he could keep all his lies straight. 245 00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:29,967 He had perfected this over, almost four decades. 246 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,233 He was very good at it, and that's what that phone call reveals. 247 00:16:45,166 --> 00:16:46,300 It was like he was, 248 00:16:47,634 --> 00:16:49,300 kind of toying with her. 249 00:16:49,333 --> 00:16:51,467 He tried to convince Carolyn that 250 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:55,700 she had simply left on her own and not to worry she would be coming back. 251 00:16:55,734 --> 00:16:59,166 When all of us really thought that was not going to be the case. 252 00:17:23,734 --> 00:17:25,734 He could talk his way out of anything. 253 00:17:31,100 --> 00:17:35,400 In about, May he told me that he was thinking of retiring. 254 00:17:36,767 --> 00:17:40,033 And, maybe it was a good idea for us to go to Canada. 255 00:17:40,066 --> 00:17:42,200 His children are grown. 256 00:17:42,233 --> 00:17:47,567 And he encouraged me to go home and see if I could find a place. 257 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,100 The furniture was still sitting there, I left everything behind. 258 00:17:51,133 --> 00:17:53,734 Some people felt that this was because 259 00:17:53,767 --> 00:17:56,333 Robinson thought maybe the police are getting close. 260 00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:58,033 I don't know if that's the case, 261 00:17:58,066 --> 00:18:02,500 I mean, Robinson told lot of women, he was going different places with them, 262 00:18:02,533 --> 00:18:03,667 and it never happened. 263 00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:14,066 From March of 2000, until June of 2000, we had, basically had 90 days 264 00:18:14,100 --> 00:18:17,233 of pretty furious investigation into him. 265 00:18:17,266 --> 00:18:22,667 The hardest decision for us, was when he would bring women into town. 266 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:26,266 There were a lot of women that he didn't kill, that he didn't kidnap. 267 00:18:26,300 --> 00:18:28,333 They just had him come in for sex. 268 00:18:28,367 --> 00:18:33,066 He's a big fan of using the various extended stay hotels. 269 00:18:33,100 --> 00:18:35,734 He would bring somebody out of town, put them up there for a week, 270 00:18:35,767 --> 00:18:40,967 he could see them everyday and they'd have sex, do their BDSM thing. 271 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,834 Fortunately, we did have access to his phone. 272 00:18:43,867 --> 00:18:46,300 We did a court ordered wiretap. 273 00:18:46,333 --> 00:18:50,600 And from some of the conversations, we knew 274 00:18:50,634 --> 00:18:52,767 when these women were coming. 275 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,500 The task force would take the room next door. 276 00:18:56,166 --> 00:18:57,967 And they would listen in. 277 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,900 We had a lot of contingency plans for what to do if 278 00:19:02,934 --> 00:19:06,700 we thought if he was actually hurting somebody. 279 00:19:06,734 --> 00:19:10,033 The police were authorized to just break in and stop it. 280 00:19:10,066 --> 00:19:12,166 But with BDSM, 281 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,166 that's kind of a tall order because, 282 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,867 part of that's yelling and screaming, 283 00:19:15,900 --> 00:19:18,867 part of that's voluntary infliction of pain. 284 00:19:18,900 --> 00:19:21,700 We tried to really sensitive to that stuff in terms of 285 00:19:21,734 --> 00:19:26,033 not over react or screw up the investigation while still not letting anybody get hurt. 286 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,367 One of the women that Robinson 287 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,634 was having a dalliance with during this investigation was a woman named Dicky Neufeld, 288 00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:41,333 who was into the BDSM lifestyle. 289 00:19:41,367 --> 00:19:46,467 She came down here, and Robinson put her up in a hotel room, 290 00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:48,734 where they had some sessions. 291 00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:51,033 The relationship went sour, 292 00:19:51,066 --> 00:19:58,400 and she had a collection of about $700 worth of what you would call sex toys, 293 00:19:58,433 --> 00:20:02,367 and he basically kept her property. 294 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,000 And she called the police and reported that, 295 00:20:06,033 --> 00:20:08,467 that, you know he had stolen from her. 296 00:20:08,500 --> 00:20:10,667 She didn't know we were investigating. 297 00:20:10,700 --> 00:20:13,333 "I'm gonna report this guy, stole my sex toys." 298 00:20:13,367 --> 00:20:15,200 This was really significant, 299 00:20:15,233 --> 00:20:19,900 because this gave us the first real problem or cause that we had 300 00:20:19,934 --> 00:20:22,567 to get a warrant to arrest Robinson for something. 301 00:20:23,367 --> 00:20:26,000 We basically had run into a 302 00:20:26,033 --> 00:20:31,333 situation where we felt we had to move on John Robinson. 303 00:20:31,367 --> 00:20:37,333 We knew from phone records that Barbara Sandre was heading back to Canada, 304 00:20:37,367 --> 00:20:40,400 and that John Robinson was supposed to go with her, 305 00:20:40,433 --> 00:20:44,166 and the decision was made that we had to move in, 306 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,166 and stop this investigation before it got out of control. 307 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:54,200 This was a gamble for the prosecutor to arrest Robinson, because, 308 00:20:54,233 --> 00:20:59,133 at this point they only had Vickie Neufeld's missing sex toy charge, 309 00:20:59,166 --> 00:21:03,066 and another charge, but the DA acted on his instincts and he was right. 310 00:21:10,266 --> 00:21:12,900 On, June second, 2000, 311 00:21:12,934 --> 00:21:17,600 we arrested Robinson at his trailer in Olathe. 312 00:21:17,634 --> 00:21:21,200 But we originally wanted to go while Nancy was home 313 00:21:21,233 --> 00:21:23,800 and confront him in front of his wife, 314 00:21:23,834 --> 00:21:28,266 but we were late, I was there when they walked him out. 315 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:32,033 And he said that, "You're making quite a production out of this." 316 00:21:32,066 --> 00:21:36,100 And had a smirk on his face, like, "You have nothing on me." 317 00:21:39,266 --> 00:21:44,233 The search of his home, turned up amazing evidence against him. 318 00:21:44,266 --> 00:21:46,767 He had paperwork on Stasi, 319 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,200 he had paperwork on Godfrey. 320 00:21:49,233 --> 00:21:51,467 We saw Clampitt's name in there. 321 00:21:51,500 --> 00:21:55,033 We didn't really go through 'em at the scene, 322 00:21:55,066 --> 00:22:00,300 but we knew we had a treasure trove of paper evidence on him from there. 323 00:22:01,567 --> 00:22:03,800 One of the big things that was found 324 00:22:03,834 --> 00:22:07,000 during the execution of the search warrant at Robinson's house 325 00:22:07,033 --> 00:22:10,133 was a receipt from the Rodeway Inn, 326 00:22:10,166 --> 00:22:14,667 from back in 1985, when Lisa Stasi disappeared. 327 00:22:14,700 --> 00:22:19,300 Why he kept that, who knows. But that was big piece of evidence. 328 00:22:19,333 --> 00:22:24,467 We discovered that Robinson had two storage units, one was located in Olathe, Kansas, 329 00:22:24,500 --> 00:22:27,133 one was located in Raymore, Missouri. 330 00:22:27,166 --> 00:22:29,767 They searched his Kansas storage locker, 331 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,433 and they found some of his victims' birth certificates and driving licenses 332 00:22:34,467 --> 00:22:35,867 and personal papers. 333 00:22:49,233 --> 00:22:50,700 This quiet pastor land, 334 00:22:50,734 --> 00:22:52,867 three miles north of La Cygne, Kansas, 335 00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:55,166 is now the focus of an investigation. 336 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,300 I would say probably the first hour and a half in the search 337 00:22:59,333 --> 00:23:03,700 on the Linn county property turned out basically nothing. 338 00:23:03,734 --> 00:23:05,333 It was very extensive, 339 00:23:05,367 --> 00:23:08,266 there was a pond on the property that they drained. 340 00:23:08,300 --> 00:23:10,500 We have a very large crime scene here, 341 00:23:10,533 --> 00:23:13,033 by means of 16 and half acres of ground. 342 00:23:15,867 --> 00:23:19,000 Suspecting there was the possibility of human remains, 343 00:23:19,033 --> 00:23:25,600 a cadaver dog was brought in to help search the area in a more non-intrusive way. 344 00:23:25,634 --> 00:23:29,300 The dogs hit on two barrels next to a storage shed. 345 00:23:30,934 --> 00:23:35,166 The barrels were right out in the open along with a bunch of other junk. 346 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,934 It was a 85 gallon barrel and I... I actually laid it down. 347 00:23:40,967 --> 00:23:43,834 And rolled it over some grass and stuff and 348 00:23:43,867 --> 00:23:47,700 when we lifted it back up, we saw a little red streak, 349 00:23:47,734 --> 00:23:50,700 of red liquid going down the side of the barrel. 350 00:23:50,734 --> 00:23:54,333 We took a wrench and undid the barrel, 351 00:23:54,367 --> 00:23:57,734 and lifted the lid, and that was our first body. 352 00:23:58,934 --> 00:24:01,634 That first drum turned out to be Suzette Trouten. 353 00:24:04,967 --> 00:24:07,634 Shortly, after that the second barrel was brought out, 354 00:24:07,667 --> 00:24:09,634 and that was victim number two. 355 00:24:11,533 --> 00:24:15,033 It was like, okay, how far is this gonna go? 356 00:24:30,734 --> 00:24:33,233 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 357 00:24:33,266 --> 00:24:36,400 While searching John Robinson's rural Kansas property, 358 00:24:36,433 --> 00:24:38,533 detectives found two barrels. 359 00:24:38,567 --> 00:24:42,934 The first contained the body of his former BDSM partner, Suzette Trouten. 360 00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:45,033 In the second barrel, 361 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:48,033 a previously unknown female victim. 362 00:24:48,066 --> 00:24:51,867 As with everything in this case, when it started to unravel, 363 00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:53,367 the truth was hard to believe. 364 00:24:59,967 --> 00:25:03,500 When we opened the second barrel and found that there was a body in there, 365 00:25:03,533 --> 00:25:08,867 we saw that it was decomposed quite a bit, it had been there for quite some time. 366 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,734 Those turned out to be the remains of Izabela Lewicka. 367 00:25:13,767 --> 00:25:19,333 She was not on anybody's radar at the time. 368 00:25:19,367 --> 00:25:25,000 She was a 19 year-old from Indiana, had actually been a student of Purdue University. 369 00:25:25,667 --> 00:25:28,467 An aspiring artist. 370 00:25:28,500 --> 00:25:34,000 She had come to the Kansas City area after meeting Robinson online. 371 00:25:34,033 --> 00:25:38,667 He tells her that he will put her up there, he will take care of her. 372 00:25:38,700 --> 00:25:41,634 And, they will have a sexual relationship. 373 00:25:43,266 --> 00:25:45,367 Robinson had a contract drawn up, 374 00:25:48,300 --> 00:25:51,467 and Lewicka signed the contract. 375 00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:55,734 She was a slave to Robinson, who was her master. 376 00:25:55,767 --> 00:26:00,333 She basically is owned body and soul by John Robinson. 377 00:26:00,367 --> 00:26:02,066 He takes her around Kansas City, 378 00:26:02,100 --> 00:26:07,533 he introduces her as his daughter because she is quite a bit younger than she is. 379 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:12,200 Robinson was with Izabela a while longer than he was with any of the other girls. 380 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,567 I found the marriage license application, 381 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,367 with her name on it. 382 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,800 And, obviously they didn't actually really get married. 383 00:26:19,834 --> 00:26:24,000 But, I think, he probably deceived her into thinking that they were. 384 00:26:24,033 --> 00:26:28,200 And she would introduce herself as being his wife. 385 00:26:28,233 --> 00:26:30,700 After being here in the Kansas City area for 386 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,600 way over a year, 387 00:26:33,934 --> 00:26:35,000 she disappeared. 388 00:26:40,066 --> 00:26:42,634 My mother said that there was call for me 389 00:26:42,667 --> 00:26:45,367 and he said he was from Lenexa Police Department, 390 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,133 and he said, "Do you know, John Robinson?" and I said, "Yes." 391 00:26:49,166 --> 00:26:51,200 He said, "Okay, 392 00:26:51,233 --> 00:26:56,734 we have reason to think that he's been involved in some illegal dealings." 393 00:26:56,767 --> 00:27:00,467 I went in my parents' bedroom and turned the TV on. 394 00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:04,133 A Kansas man, accused of luring women over the internet for sex, 395 00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:06,700 is the prime suspect in a series of brutal killings 396 00:27:06,734 --> 00:27:08,900 that may date back more than a decade. 397 00:27:08,934 --> 00:27:12,300 It was hard to believe that he would have done anything like that. 398 00:27:12,333 --> 00:27:18,300 I was never really suspicious. I guess I'm not a suspicious person. 399 00:27:18,333 --> 00:27:22,300 We called Barbara Sandre and asked her if we could search her apartment, 400 00:27:22,333 --> 00:27:25,934 where we knew that there was a lot of property there. 401 00:27:25,967 --> 00:27:32,066 And, she stated that John Robinson had given all that stuff to her. 402 00:27:32,100 --> 00:27:35,300 It appears that the furniture and possessions that I had at the house 403 00:27:36,433 --> 00:27:37,967 belonged to Izabela Lewicka. 404 00:27:39,433 --> 00:27:42,934 All the furniture had once belonged to Izabela, 405 00:27:42,967 --> 00:27:46,266 and he'd given to Barbara after he killed her. 406 00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:48,634 She was an artist. 407 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:51,767 And so her paintings were decorating the walls 408 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,934 of Barbara Sandre, unbeknownst to Barbara Sandre. 409 00:27:55,967 --> 00:28:01,300 John Robinson had written JR on 'em and passed them off as his artwork 410 00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:02,967 to impress Barbara Sandre. 411 00:28:07,734 --> 00:28:09,700 The police were wondering, 412 00:28:09,734 --> 00:28:13,600 how these letters from his victims have been sent from all over the world 413 00:28:13,634 --> 00:28:14,867 especially Europe. 414 00:28:15,967 --> 00:28:19,934 The police were able to figure out that 415 00:28:19,967 --> 00:28:25,600 John Robinson had enlisted Barbara Sandre, who lived in Europe at the time, 416 00:28:25,634 --> 00:28:30,367 to send letters and get post marks 417 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,900 for his daughter, who he said was collecting international post marks. 418 00:28:35,734 --> 00:28:39,467 He sent packets of letters to her 419 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:42,967 and she mailed them from these foreign locations, 420 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,266 to the family of Beverly Bonner, 421 00:28:45,300 --> 00:28:47,834 to Sheila and Debbie Faith's relatives. 422 00:28:49,333 --> 00:28:50,567 They were closed envelopes. 423 00:28:51,634 --> 00:28:53,367 And I had to put the stamps on it. 424 00:28:54,367 --> 00:28:56,634 And they had no return address. 425 00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:58,533 I didn't think anything weird of it. 426 00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:02,433 Good afternoon everybody. 427 00:29:02,467 --> 00:29:03,367 My name is Chris Koster, 428 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,266 I'm the Cass county 429 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:05,734 prosecuting attorney. 430 00:29:05,767 --> 00:29:09,233 On Monday morning. Raymore police and members of Johnson county, Kansas 431 00:29:09,266 --> 00:29:15,100 law enforcement agencies, entered a storage locker in Raymore, Missouri. 432 00:29:15,133 --> 00:29:20,567 The final search warrant was for a storage facility in Missouri. 433 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,066 The locker was associated with John Robinson aged 56. 434 00:29:25,266 --> 00:29:27,166 They didn't expect to find anything there, 435 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,934 other than, maybe background information. 436 00:29:30,967 --> 00:29:35,100 And, lo and behold they almost immediately discovered bodies. 437 00:29:38,934 --> 00:29:42,266 They found three barrels, 438 00:29:42,300 --> 00:29:46,367 and in those three barrels, they found three other bodies, 439 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,066 which turned out to be 440 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:52,100 Beverly Bonner, Sheila Faith and her daughter Debbie Faith. 441 00:29:53,300 --> 00:29:56,433 They were very far in the back, 442 00:29:56,467 --> 00:29:59,033 indicating, they'd been there a long time. 443 00:29:59,066 --> 00:30:02,066 He had kitty litter all along the floor 444 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:05,367 to absorb any liquid which may have come out of them. 445 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,166 And they were each, individually wrapped. 446 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,400 We now realize, this guy is a serial killer. 447 00:30:32,033 --> 00:30:35,700 The coroners and the forensic experts believe that 448 00:30:35,734 --> 00:30:39,867 the cause of death for the five victims found in the barrels, 449 00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,800 was blunt forced trauma to the head. 450 00:30:42,834 --> 00:30:44,767 Although, they couldn't say absolutely, 451 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,834 it appeared that a hammer was used from 452 00:30:48,867 --> 00:30:52,934 the circular trauma that each suffered. 453 00:30:52,967 --> 00:30:57,533 They were never able to locate the murder weapon. 454 00:30:57,567 --> 00:30:59,333 So nobody's ever gonna know. 455 00:31:00,300 --> 00:31:01,934 Except John Robinson. 456 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:10,667 Robinson as the killer, is a curious person to define. 457 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,734 I think Robinson killed all these women for many reasons. 458 00:31:14,767 --> 00:31:16,333 They were all different. 459 00:31:16,367 --> 00:31:22,200 Because of his interest in BDSM, it's obvious that he likes to hurt people. 460 00:31:22,233 --> 00:31:25,867 He was collecting alimony from Beverly Bonner. 461 00:31:25,900 --> 00:31:28,834 Izabela Lewicka, she had a checking account. 462 00:31:28,867 --> 00:31:33,200 After he killed her, he emptied the checking account. 463 00:31:33,233 --> 00:31:38,433 But somewhere along the line, I think his sexual perversion increased, 464 00:31:38,467 --> 00:31:45,367 and he realized while killing these women, that's the ultimate satisfaction. 465 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,233 I mean, what greater satisfaction to a sexually deviant person? 466 00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,667 After Robinson's arrest, he was charged in Johnson's county, Kansas, 467 00:32:00,700 --> 00:32:05,333 with capital murder, which is punishable by death. 468 00:32:05,367 --> 00:32:13,166 We tried him for the murders of Lisa Stasi, Suzette Trouten and Izabela Lewicka. 469 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,834 In trial the prosecuting attorney talked a lot about his early life. 470 00:32:18,867 --> 00:32:21,834 The different business that he was involved in. 471 00:32:22,867 --> 00:32:26,600 And the other side of him. 472 00:32:26,634 --> 00:32:33,467 The prosecution presented a 39 minute video tape of the sexual encounter 473 00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:38,233 between John Robinson and Suzette Trouten in a hotel room. 474 00:32:38,266 --> 00:32:43,233 John Robinson was talking in a very cold, flat demeanor, 475 00:32:43,266 --> 00:32:47,500 issuing commands to his submissive Suzette. 476 00:32:47,533 --> 00:32:51,100 The prosecuting attorney thought it was very important 477 00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:58,100 that the jury see this video to understand the control that Robinson had over his victims. 478 00:33:00,433 --> 00:33:04,300 The sound of his voice on that tape, I'll never forget, 479 00:33:04,333 --> 00:33:08,000 because it was truly terrifying to hear him speak 480 00:33:08,033 --> 00:33:10,400 those commands to Suzette Trouten. 481 00:33:10,433 --> 00:33:13,667 To see this cheerful, 482 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:18,200 nice gentleman, and realizing at the same time, 483 00:33:18,233 --> 00:33:22,200 his personality contains someone who beats women to death with a hammer. 484 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,500 Surprisingly, Robinson had taped all this over 485 00:33:28,533 --> 00:33:33,000 a Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory tape. 486 00:33:33,033 --> 00:33:36,800 So, nothing could've underscored more the double life 487 00:33:36,834 --> 00:33:38,900 of the doting father, 488 00:33:38,934 --> 00:33:41,567 and the sexual predator in that moment. 489 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,233 He was found guilty, 490 00:33:47,934 --> 00:33:50,233 and he was sentenced to death. 491 00:33:51,333 --> 00:33:54,166 He was such a monster that 492 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,533 I didn't have a problem giving him the death penalty. 493 00:34:00,266 --> 00:34:02,634 It didn't bring back any of these women, 494 00:34:02,667 --> 00:34:06,233 and if anything, the death sentence adds 495 00:34:07,333 --> 00:34:09,900 more notoriety to the person. 496 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,066 It adds more appeals, 497 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:20,600 it has allowed John to relive the fantasies and the murders over and over again. 498 00:34:21,634 --> 00:34:24,033 It was time for these victims 499 00:34:24,066 --> 00:34:25,600 to get some peace. 500 00:34:25,634 --> 00:34:31,367 After the Kansas conviction, he was due to go on trial for the three murders, 501 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:36,100 in Missouri of Beverly Bonner, and Debbie and Sheila Faith. 502 00:34:36,133 --> 00:34:39,233 And ultimately they ended up working out a plea deal, 503 00:34:39,266 --> 00:34:44,400 where he plead guilty to the murders of the two women and the girl found in the barrels, 504 00:34:44,433 --> 00:34:47,634 as well as the victims from the 1980's. 505 00:34:49,066 --> 00:34:54,467 But, he never revealed what happened to them. 506 00:34:54,500 --> 00:34:57,233 I think that is one little 507 00:34:57,266 --> 00:35:01,667 kernel of control and power that he wasn't willing to give up. 508 00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:08,867 There were three bodies of adults that are 509 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:15,000 not accounted for, Paula Godfrey, Lisa Stasi and Catherine Clampitt. 510 00:35:15,033 --> 00:35:19,800 And the baby that, Lisa Stasi had, Tiffany. 511 00:35:19,834 --> 00:35:22,634 Do you have any reason to believe the baby is alive? 512 00:35:24,166 --> 00:35:25,867 We have no idea about that baby. 513 00:35:38,433 --> 00:35:41,800 Two bodies were found on the Kansas side, 514 00:35:42,967 --> 00:35:47,233 and three bodies were found on the Missouri side. 515 00:35:47,266 --> 00:35:51,800 That leaves three bodies that are not accounted for. 516 00:35:51,834 --> 00:35:57,400 Paula Godfrey, Lisa Stasi and Catherine Clampitt. 517 00:35:57,433 --> 00:36:02,200 And the baby that Lisa Stasi had, Tiffany. 518 00:36:03,967 --> 00:36:07,533 Just when you think this case can't get any more... 519 00:36:08,667 --> 00:36:09,533 ...weird. 520 00:36:11,066 --> 00:36:13,100 Police received a tip 521 00:36:13,133 --> 00:36:16,200 that Robinsons older brother, Don, 522 00:36:16,233 --> 00:36:19,834 had adopted a baby, about the same time 523 00:36:19,867 --> 00:36:23,066 that Lisa Stasi and her baby Tiffany had gone missing. 524 00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:27,467 In the fall of 1984, 525 00:36:27,500 --> 00:36:30,300 John's brother had told him 526 00:36:30,333 --> 00:36:33,600 that he was having trouble adopting. 527 00:36:33,634 --> 00:36:38,333 And I think, he told John how much money it costs 528 00:36:38,367 --> 00:36:41,367 to actually adopt the child. 529 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,834 And John thinking, "Well, that's a lot of money, that money can be mine." 530 00:36:46,567 --> 00:36:49,533 In January, he gets the baby, 531 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:53,133 and contacts his brother and says, 532 00:36:53,166 --> 00:36:57,033 "You know, you've gotta travel here, because I've got a baby for you." 533 00:36:57,066 --> 00:37:02,767 He asked his older brother to pay him $5,500 for this baby, 534 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,433 and he presented what looked like legitimate adoption papers. 535 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,734 Which was all dummied up by John Robinson, 536 00:37:10,767 --> 00:37:15,734 so we got thinking about that and, secured her birth records. 537 00:37:15,767 --> 00:37:18,567 Including the footprints that were taken at her birth. 538 00:37:19,967 --> 00:37:23,233 Ultimately, they ended up discovering that this 539 00:37:23,266 --> 00:37:26,433 girl who'd been raised by Robinson's brother 540 00:37:28,033 --> 00:37:28,934 was Tiffany. 541 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:32,367 How much crazier can this thing be? 542 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,233 We found that there were some pictures, 543 00:37:36,266 --> 00:37:38,400 thy were Polaroids taken back 544 00:37:38,433 --> 00:37:44,367 when John Robinson actually had Tiffany on his lap with all the kids, 545 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,767 and Nancy surrounding him. 546 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,900 Just one, big happy family, with its little baby 547 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:54,433 that was going to go and become his brother's child. 548 00:37:56,467 --> 00:37:59,667 They had no idea there was anything wrong. 549 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:02,567 John Robinson told everybody else that the mom 550 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,800 was destitute and had killed herself in a hotel room. 551 00:38:05,834 --> 00:38:08,467 The day that Lisa Stasi disappeared is the same day 552 00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,767 that baby was brought home to Robinson's house, 553 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,066 be turned over to John Robinson's brother. 554 00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:17,500 So, one would assume that she met her demise about that time. 555 00:38:18,967 --> 00:38:20,467 Perhaps that same day. 556 00:38:21,934 --> 00:38:26,266 Tiffany went to Chicago, she would be renamed, Heather, 557 00:38:26,300 --> 00:38:30,266 and she would live her life with that family, uh, thereafter. 558 00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:35,900 She kept out of the public eye, till a few years ago. 559 00:38:35,934 --> 00:38:38,834 To think, he is willing to kill 560 00:38:38,867 --> 00:38:42,634 a mother to get a baby, is chilling. 561 00:38:42,667 --> 00:38:46,634 What could be more cold-blooded than that? 562 00:38:46,667 --> 00:38:50,834 I was stupefied that this actually happened. 563 00:38:50,867 --> 00:38:54,300 That he actually stole a baby and killed its mother, 564 00:38:54,333 --> 00:38:57,100 which he actually charged his brother for, 565 00:38:58,100 --> 00:38:59,333 that took the cake. 566 00:39:00,166 --> 00:39:01,834 We, as a family, 567 00:39:01,867 --> 00:39:05,300 have followed the events of last week in horror and dismay 568 00:39:05,333 --> 00:39:06,800 along with each of you. 569 00:39:06,834 --> 00:39:12,033 Nancy Robinson, and her four children made a joint family statement, 570 00:39:12,066 --> 00:39:15,467 denying any knowledge of what John Robinson had done. 571 00:39:15,500 --> 00:39:18,333 As each day has passed, these surreal events 572 00:39:18,367 --> 00:39:22,500 have built into a narrative, that is almost beyond comprehension. 573 00:39:22,533 --> 00:39:27,033 While we do not discount the information that has and continues to come to light, 574 00:39:27,066 --> 00:39:30,066 we do not know the person, whom we have read about and heard about on TV. 575 00:39:33,433 --> 00:39:36,767 There is always a speculation about how much did the wife know. 576 00:39:38,767 --> 00:39:42,500 My guess is that this is one of those marriages where she knew about 577 00:39:42,533 --> 00:39:45,700 some of his prior criminal conduct relating to 578 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,033 scams and things like that. 579 00:39:49,066 --> 00:39:51,700 I don't think most people involved in this investigation, 580 00:39:51,734 --> 00:39:55,667 if anybody really thought that she knew about homicides. 581 00:39:55,700 --> 00:39:58,200 We have never seen any behavior that would have led us to believe that 582 00:39:58,233 --> 00:40:00,500 anything that we are now hearing could be possible. 583 00:40:01,367 --> 00:40:04,567 They were married for over 40 years. 584 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,133 And, uh, she only finally filed for divorce, 585 00:40:08,166 --> 00:40:11,166 like several years after all of this stuff broke. 586 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:16,467 His kids, loved him, even during the course of the investigation, 587 00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:20,000 had a difficult time believing that we had the right person. 588 00:40:20,033 --> 00:40:23,667 He still had this veneer of this family man. 589 00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:26,867 Even his own closest family members, 590 00:40:26,900 --> 00:40:29,934 they said they didn't know he was doing all of this. 591 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,667 What kind of person is John Robinson? 592 00:40:35,700 --> 00:40:39,967 John Robinson, I mean, he's... he's evil. 593 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,066 This guy is just evil. 594 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:47,333 He was a sadistic, and a sociopathic monster. 595 00:40:47,367 --> 00:40:50,467 He's a kind of person wouldn't think of thing about killing you. 596 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,300 To kill people, kill disabled people, 597 00:40:53,333 --> 00:40:56,900 kill innocent women, kill vulnerable women, 598 00:40:56,934 --> 00:41:00,600 collect their disability, social security and alimony checks, 599 00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:03,533 how would you live with yourself? 600 00:41:03,567 --> 00:41:07,266 As far as I know, he's never expressed any remorse. 601 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:10,133 I think that just shows, what kind of person he is. 602 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,266 I think one of the questions that many of us 603 00:41:14,300 --> 00:41:17,033 involved in this investigation have are, 604 00:41:17,066 --> 00:41:19,967 are there more victims out there that we don't know about? 605 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,567 There may be more storage barrels with bodies, 606 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,300 in other places, that have never been found, 607 00:41:26,333 --> 00:41:28,233 which is creepier than hell. 608 00:41:29,433 --> 00:41:30,400 I wouldn't worry. 609 00:41:31,133 --> 00:41:32,433 I'm sure they're fine. 610 00:41:35,467 --> 00:41:39,266 John Robinson is considered the internet's first serial killer. 611 00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,200 But, sadly of course he wasn't the last. 612 00:41:42,233 --> 00:41:45,567 The plea deal in Missouri gave Robinson life in prison. 613 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,200 And although he remains on death row in Kansas, 614 00:41:48,233 --> 00:41:50,634 his execution seems unlikely. 615 00:41:50,667 --> 00:41:54,567 It would mark the first one in state since 1965. 616 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,934 Either way, Robinson will die in prison. 617 00:41:57,967 --> 00:42:00,533 I'm Donnie Wahlberg, thanks for watching. 618 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,900 Good night. 53935

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