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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:58,068 --> 00:01:01,241 Welcome to Very Scary People. I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 2 00:01:01,827 --> 00:01:03,034 For nature lovers, 3 00:01:03,068 --> 00:01:05,068 the hiking trails of Northern California 4 00:01:05,103 --> 00:01:07,482 are nothing short of paradise. 5 00:01:07,517 --> 00:01:09,862 Stunning scenery, breathtaking views, 6 00:01:09,896 --> 00:01:12,551 and the chance to escape from the pressures of daily life. 7 00:01:13,206 --> 00:01:15,137 But beginning in 1979, 8 00:01:15,172 --> 00:01:18,068 a chilling mystery was unfolding on those trails. 9 00:01:18,103 --> 00:01:21,413 A man known as The Trailside Killer was targeting women, 10 00:01:21,448 --> 00:01:23,862 raping, torturing, and murdering them 11 00:01:23,896 --> 00:01:26,482 in a place where they had always felt safe. 12 00:01:26,517 --> 00:01:29,689 Investigators had few clues to the killer's identity, 13 00:01:29,724 --> 00:01:32,931 but the last five murders were all committed with the same weapon, 14 00:01:32,965 --> 00:01:36,206 and the attacks happened on weekends and holidays. 15 00:01:36,241 --> 00:01:40,551 Could this pattern bring detectives closer to catching this monster? 16 00:01:40,586 --> 00:01:43,068 Here's part two of The Trailside Killer. 17 00:01:56,103 --> 00:01:59,172 Police are still trying to find the person, or persons, 18 00:01:59,206 --> 00:02:03,137 responsible for seven grisly murders in Marin County, California. 19 00:02:04,068 --> 00:02:07,137 It was the dominating news of the time. 20 00:02:07,172 --> 00:02:09,448 The Trailside Killer was huge. 21 00:02:09,482 --> 00:02:11,758 It was random, random victims, 22 00:02:11,793 --> 00:02:15,931 and those are the most terrorizing of killers 23 00:02:15,965 --> 00:02:18,448 because you don't know who's next. 24 00:02:18,482 --> 00:02:19,413 You don't know if you're next. 25 00:02:20,827 --> 00:02:24,137 I got close enough and I saw two people, 26 00:02:24,172 --> 00:02:25,103 and... 27 00:02:26,448 --> 00:02:28,310 It looked like they were executed. 28 00:02:29,137 --> 00:02:30,931 This is beyond belief. 29 00:02:30,965 --> 00:02:33,413 That's four bodies on the same trail. 30 00:02:34,413 --> 00:02:36,724 This was so deliberate. Just... 31 00:02:39,965 --> 00:02:41,517 They found 38 bullets 32 00:02:41,551 --> 00:02:42,965 in all of them. 33 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,379 That really made it a serial murder case. 34 00:02:46,241 --> 00:02:49,241 Who is this person that's doing this? 35 00:02:49,275 --> 00:02:51,103 As this pattern of killings emerged, 36 00:02:51,137 --> 00:02:52,482 fear changed the way 37 00:02:52,517 --> 00:02:54,448 practically every Bay Area hiker 38 00:02:54,482 --> 00:02:56,034 enjoyed the outdoors. 39 00:02:56,068 --> 00:02:59,586 There is a lot of ugliness in those mountains. 40 00:02:59,620 --> 00:03:03,862 We had an awareness because it was in the media all the time, 41 00:03:03,896 --> 00:03:09,379 but the next leap is did I know the person who was doing these things? 42 00:03:09,965 --> 00:03:11,344 Never entered my mind. 43 00:03:13,689 --> 00:03:17,379 David Carpenter had actually been in the juvenile justice system. 44 00:03:17,413 --> 00:03:21,103 At the age of 14, he was committed to the Napa State Hospital 45 00:03:21,137 --> 00:03:23,241 for sexual offences. 46 00:03:23,275 --> 00:03:26,000 He was too ordinary to notice, 47 00:03:26,034 --> 00:03:29,482 but he certainly didn't have the record of an ordinary person. 48 00:03:29,517 --> 00:03:35,172 July 12, 1960, he was charged with assault and kidnapping. 49 00:03:35,206 --> 00:03:39,103 Lois noticed as soon as he started the attack on her 50 00:03:39,137 --> 00:03:40,379 he didn't stutter at all, 51 00:03:41,344 --> 00:03:42,689 like it calmed him. 52 00:03:43,896 --> 00:03:47,310 David was raping, and burglarizing homes, 53 00:03:47,344 --> 00:03:50,517 and kidnapping people, and stealing cars. 54 00:03:51,413 --> 00:03:52,551 Later, the doctor said 55 00:03:52,586 --> 00:03:55,310 this man had an overwhelming desire, 56 00:03:55,344 --> 00:03:57,689 but it couldn't stay bottled up, it had to come out. 57 00:03:58,551 --> 00:03:59,689 What did he learn 58 00:03:59,724 --> 00:04:03,620 the first two times he went to prison? 59 00:04:03,655 --> 00:04:07,379 Kill your victim. Chances of you getting caught are a lot less. 60 00:04:20,103 --> 00:04:22,620 Ellen Hansen and Steven Haertle 61 00:04:22,655 --> 00:04:24,827 were college students from Davis 62 00:04:24,862 --> 00:04:26,689 who had come down here for the weekend 63 00:04:26,724 --> 00:04:29,689 to enjoy the park. 64 00:04:29,724 --> 00:04:31,965 Ellen was familiar with camping, 65 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,103 but it would be Steven's first camping trip, 66 00:04:34,137 --> 00:04:35,655 and she really wanted him to experience 67 00:04:35,689 --> 00:04:36,931 this beautiful area. 68 00:04:39,068 --> 00:04:43,103 Ellen and Steve were hiking toward an observation deck. 69 00:04:43,137 --> 00:04:45,965 Steven and Ellen had passed this man on the trail, 70 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,206 and he seemed to have this stern look on his face 71 00:04:49,241 --> 00:04:52,689 like he was really in a hurry to get somewhere. 72 00:04:52,724 --> 00:04:54,724 Later that day, they saw him again, 73 00:04:54,758 --> 00:04:57,448 and this time he was coming towards them, 74 00:04:58,620 --> 00:05:01,000 and he said something to the effect of, 75 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:03,275 "Oh, so, we meet again." 76 00:05:03,310 --> 00:05:07,793 And Steven was about to make a joke or say something in response, 77 00:05:07,827 --> 00:05:09,344 and the man pulled out a gun. 78 00:05:11,586 --> 00:05:15,482 Steven starts to tell the man, "You can have my wallet, you can take our cash." 79 00:05:15,517 --> 00:05:17,827 And the man tells him, "I'm not here to rob you. 80 00:05:17,862 --> 00:05:19,137 I'm gonna rape your girlfriend." 81 00:05:21,206 --> 00:05:23,517 Well, Steve is trying to talk him out it. 82 00:05:23,551 --> 00:05:24,517 "You don't want to do this." 83 00:05:25,827 --> 00:05:27,586 The man is pointing his weapon at them, 84 00:05:27,620 --> 00:05:29,103 trying to take them off the trail. 85 00:05:30,862 --> 00:05:33,827 Ellen tells Steven, "Don't do it, 86 00:05:33,862 --> 00:05:37,827 don't listen to him, he's gonna shoot us anyway." 87 00:05:37,862 --> 00:05:41,137 At the same time, Steven starts to stumble. 88 00:05:41,172 --> 00:05:43,413 It was almost like an automatic response 89 00:05:43,448 --> 00:05:46,655 where she put up her hand as if to ward off the gun. 90 00:05:47,862 --> 00:05:50,344 The man shoots the weapon... 91 00:05:51,482 --> 00:05:54,965 ...and hits both Ellen and Steven. 92 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,931 Steve goes down to the side, and he gets shot in the neck. 93 00:05:59,965 --> 00:06:03,482 She got shot twice in the torso... 94 00:06:03,517 --> 00:06:06,655 ...and then he did an execution shot to her head. 95 00:06:12,379 --> 00:06:16,206 In 1981, I was 18 years old. 96 00:06:16,241 --> 00:06:19,965 My dad and I went for a trip together, 97 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,965 and we had hiked to this observation deck. 98 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,137 It was a little bit before sunset. 99 00:06:28,413 --> 00:06:32,862 There was actually a man on the observation deck. 100 00:06:32,896 --> 00:06:35,758 He was looking through binoculars, 101 00:06:35,793 --> 00:06:42,517 he was wearing blue jeans, a golden color windbreaker, and a cap, 102 00:06:42,551 --> 00:06:44,310 and he had a backpack. 103 00:06:44,344 --> 00:06:47,931 He just looked like the average Joe, basically. 104 00:06:49,275 --> 00:06:53,413 We actually did talk to the man a little bit. 105 00:06:53,448 --> 00:06:57,551 This is a wonderful location to see the scenery, 106 00:06:57,586 --> 00:07:00,931 and he agreed but he said that 107 00:07:00,965 --> 00:07:04,655 he wished the sun wasn't so bright. 108 00:07:06,689 --> 00:07:11,896 A few minutes after this man departed the observation deck, 109 00:07:11,931 --> 00:07:14,103 we heard this popping sound. 110 00:07:14,137 --> 00:07:15,275 Pop, pop, pop. 111 00:07:17,517 --> 00:07:22,482 We didn't really know exactly what that popping sound was. 112 00:07:22,517 --> 00:07:26,172 My dad and I, we decided to proceed on, 113 00:07:26,206 --> 00:07:32,137 and off in the distance we saw a man approaching us, yelling for help. 114 00:07:33,482 --> 00:07:38,655 He was holding his neck and said, "I've been shot. 115 00:07:38,689 --> 00:07:44,103 My girlfriend is shot. I believe she's dead." 116 00:07:44,137 --> 00:07:50,172 And then he described the man who did the shootings. 117 00:07:50,206 --> 00:07:56,379 The description fit exactly the man that my dad and I spoke with. 118 00:07:57,758 --> 00:07:59,448 We had to come up with a plan. 119 00:08:01,206 --> 00:08:03,862 My dad would stay with the man. 120 00:08:03,896 --> 00:08:07,965 I was to run as fast as I could to get help. 121 00:08:09,827 --> 00:08:13,172 I got to where the trail head is, 122 00:08:13,206 --> 00:08:15,931 and people that happened to be camping 123 00:08:15,965 --> 00:08:19,655 gave me a ride to the ranger's station. 124 00:08:20,758 --> 00:08:22,965 My dad, with the man who was shot, 125 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,275 somehow they were able to make it to the park ranger's station, 126 00:08:28,310 --> 00:08:30,551 and while we were standing there, 127 00:08:30,586 --> 00:08:34,206 we saw a car leave, and that's him. 128 00:08:35,586 --> 00:08:39,896 He was leaving in a red economy-type car. 129 00:08:41,172 --> 00:08:44,482 This crazy person is out loose now. Now what? 130 00:08:57,758 --> 00:09:00,655 There was a shooting at Henry Cowell Park. 131 00:09:00,689 --> 00:09:04,724 A female was shot and died at the scene, 132 00:09:04,758 --> 00:09:07,862 and her male companion, he was shot, 133 00:09:07,896 --> 00:09:09,551 and he had been transported 134 00:09:09,586 --> 00:09:12,206 to Dominican Hospital for treatment. 135 00:09:15,379 --> 00:09:19,000 I started bringing in guys, getting everybody organized 136 00:09:19,034 --> 00:09:21,965 who had a ride to work right then that day. 137 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,793 We started getting the people that were the witnesses. 138 00:09:24,827 --> 00:09:28,172 I remember the father, Leland Fritz, 139 00:09:28,206 --> 00:09:30,206 watched him drive away 140 00:09:30,241 --> 00:09:33,827 and was able to give us a pretty good description of the red car. 141 00:09:33,862 --> 00:09:37,103 My dad was obviously very observant. 142 00:09:37,137 --> 00:09:39,793 He saw the bent exhaust pipe. 143 00:09:40,862 --> 00:09:42,482 That information went out in a bulletin 144 00:09:42,517 --> 00:09:43,551 to all the police departments. 145 00:09:43,586 --> 00:09:45,068 The individual was seen 146 00:09:45,103 --> 00:09:49,000 by a number of witnesses that were also in the park. 147 00:09:49,034 --> 00:09:53,862 The description was that he was an older man in his '50s, 148 00:09:53,896 --> 00:09:58,448 he had a hat, baseball hat, clean shaven, 149 00:09:58,482 --> 00:10:02,172 5'10", 5'11", over 185lbs, 150 00:10:02,206 --> 00:10:04,896 and he had a distinctive jacket on. 151 00:10:06,103 --> 00:10:12,172 This was a golden color windbreaker that, on the back, 152 00:10:12,206 --> 00:10:18,310 it described something about a beer drinking contest in Montana. 153 00:10:19,551 --> 00:10:22,482 It was really a unique jacket. 154 00:10:27,137 --> 00:10:28,034 I didn't see Steven. 155 00:10:28,068 --> 00:10:28,965 I was just told 156 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:30,655 that he was in distress 157 00:10:30,689 --> 00:10:31,965 at Dominican Hospital. 158 00:10:32,862 --> 00:10:33,965 Steve can't talk 159 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,137 because he's got this bullet wound 160 00:10:35,172 --> 00:10:36,482 in his throat, 161 00:10:36,517 --> 00:10:38,965 and it damaged his vocal chords. 162 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,379 So, we had a very accomplished artist, 163 00:10:41,413 --> 00:10:43,689 and he starts with the composite, 164 00:10:43,724 --> 00:10:49,241 but he makes it more realistic so it's almost more like a portrait. 165 00:10:49,275 --> 00:10:52,103 And we're showing it to Steve, who's in the bed, and he goes... 166 00:10:53,551 --> 00:10:55,344 Starts slapping with the back of his hand, 167 00:10:55,379 --> 00:10:56,931 and he goes, "That's it, that's it." 168 00:10:56,965 --> 00:10:59,379 He's saying this is the guy, 169 00:10:59,413 --> 00:11:00,931 and that's the one that we put out. 170 00:11:04,310 --> 00:11:07,413 It's a day of tragedy. 171 00:11:07,448 --> 00:11:13,620 It's still difficult, and just really hard to understand why. 172 00:11:17,172 --> 00:11:22,862 I was aware that they thought that they had a serial killer in the parks 173 00:11:23,413 --> 00:11:25,758 in Marin County. 174 00:11:25,793 --> 00:11:28,931 But the description that was put out by Marin 175 00:11:28,965 --> 00:11:32,758 did not match the one of the guy that we were getting, 176 00:11:32,793 --> 00:11:36,172 so we didn't know if we had two people doing these same cases 177 00:11:36,206 --> 00:11:39,241 or was the same guy and a bad description. 178 00:11:39,275 --> 00:11:43,724 Marin's or theirs, we had no idea at that point. 179 00:11:43,758 --> 00:11:46,965 And so, it was not until we compared the ballistics 180 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,103 for the bullets removed from Ellen and Steven, 181 00:11:51,137 --> 00:11:52,758 that we were able to match those up 182 00:11:52,793 --> 00:11:55,068 with the ballistics from the bullets 183 00:11:55,103 --> 00:11:58,896 recovered from the shootings in Marin. 184 00:11:58,931 --> 00:12:01,000 Suddenly, we knew we had a serial murder case 185 00:12:01,034 --> 00:12:03,034 that was going over two counties. 186 00:12:03,068 --> 00:12:05,862 All the crimes are thought to be the work of a psychotic killer 187 00:12:05,896 --> 00:12:09,413 whose composite sketch was widely publicized. 188 00:12:09,448 --> 00:12:12,275 That's when we knew we were looking for the same person. 189 00:12:23,827 --> 00:12:28,931 I didn't learn about David Carpenter's sex drive until he told me about it 190 00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:31,000 when he met his girlfriend, Candy. 191 00:12:31,034 --> 00:12:33,172 And, you know, I mean, 192 00:12:34,172 --> 00:12:35,344 this is not something 193 00:12:35,379 --> 00:12:37,448 you typically talk about with people. 194 00:12:38,862 --> 00:12:43,172 He had met Candy, and I remember him coming into my office, 195 00:12:43,206 --> 00:12:48,793 and just busting out about how he had met this woman, 196 00:12:48,827 --> 00:12:54,620 and he was madly in love, and that her sex drive was as strong as his. 197 00:12:55,551 --> 00:12:58,275 He had never met anybody like her. 198 00:13:02,586 --> 00:13:06,000 He met her after going to his parole officer's office. 199 00:13:07,448 --> 00:13:11,448 Candy was sitting on the curb by her car. 200 00:13:11,482 --> 00:13:14,689 The car had stopped running, and she didn't have any money or anything. 201 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,413 So, he saw her and started chatting with her. 202 00:13:19,551 --> 00:13:21,172 They tow her car, 203 00:13:21,206 --> 00:13:24,482 and he takes her for a ride to the parking lot 204 00:13:24,517 --> 00:13:26,000 at Mount Tamalpais. 205 00:13:27,620 --> 00:13:30,586 Oh, lady, you don't have a clue. 206 00:13:34,275 --> 00:13:37,137 This guy had a heck of an appetite for sex, 207 00:13:37,172 --> 00:13:39,758 and it just so happened that Candy gave in to him. 208 00:13:41,586 --> 00:13:45,310 Next thing, they're having sex in the backseat in the car. 209 00:13:45,344 --> 00:13:47,862 I firmly believe sex is what saved Candy. 210 00:13:50,896 --> 00:13:52,034 Few hours later, 211 00:13:52,068 --> 00:13:54,413 he's inviting her to come live with him. 212 00:13:54,448 --> 00:13:57,137 I guess he fell in love with her 213 00:13:57,172 --> 00:13:59,551 because he ends up taking her home. 214 00:13:59,586 --> 00:14:02,586 And she found a job bartending. 215 00:14:02,620 --> 00:14:03,586 Before you know it, 216 00:14:03,620 --> 00:14:05,103 she's his fiancee. 217 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,482 Whoa, that was fast. 218 00:14:07,517 --> 00:14:09,379 Very strange relationship. 219 00:14:11,931 --> 00:14:14,758 David would offer to help people even if they didn't want help. 220 00:14:15,413 --> 00:14:18,310 He wanted them to owe him. 221 00:14:18,344 --> 00:14:19,862 He knew exactly what to say. 222 00:14:19,896 --> 00:14:21,068 He knew exactly how to get people 223 00:14:21,103 --> 00:14:22,586 in the positions that he wanted 224 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:23,448 in order to kill them. 225 00:14:39,068 --> 00:14:40,517 Carpenter had switched jobs, 226 00:14:41,758 --> 00:14:43,827 and he's going to Econo Quick Print... 227 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,413 Where he is excelling. 228 00:14:47,448 --> 00:14:49,034 I remember writing them a letter 229 00:14:49,068 --> 00:14:51,310 in which, basically, was a warning 230 00:14:51,344 --> 00:14:55,724 that this guy should not be around women 231 00:14:55,758 --> 00:14:58,000 because of his assaultive behavior in the past. 232 00:14:59,206 --> 00:15:01,310 It was certainly something that I was concerned about. 233 00:15:09,137 --> 00:15:11,448 Heather Scaggs was a young lady 234 00:15:11,482 --> 00:15:14,310 who was living in San Jose. 235 00:15:14,344 --> 00:15:16,655 She was very interested in graphic design, 236 00:15:16,689 --> 00:15:20,620 and she hooked up with a print school, 237 00:15:20,655 --> 00:15:24,896 and next door to the school was a quick print operation, 238 00:15:24,931 --> 00:15:27,793 and so, as she was attending school, 239 00:15:27,827 --> 00:15:32,068 she would work at the quick print shop. 240 00:15:32,103 --> 00:15:34,758 She commuted up to the trade school. 241 00:15:34,793 --> 00:15:38,068 She had a little Volkswagen, and at some point it quit working, 242 00:15:38,103 --> 00:15:40,241 and so she wanted to get another one. 243 00:15:40,275 --> 00:15:43,448 And this male co-worker that she had, 244 00:15:43,482 --> 00:15:48,482 he had a contact in Santa Cruz County that had a used Volkswagen, 245 00:15:48,517 --> 00:15:50,862 much newer than the one she had, 246 00:15:50,896 --> 00:15:53,137 and she could buy that Volkswagen. 247 00:15:53,172 --> 00:15:55,206 And then he sweetened the pot a little bit 248 00:15:55,241 --> 00:15:57,448 with, "If you don't have all the money, 249 00:15:57,482 --> 00:15:59,310 I'll loan you the rest of the money, 250 00:15:59,344 --> 00:16:00,862 and you can pay me back monthly." 251 00:16:02,379 --> 00:16:04,793 She was pretty desperate to get transportation 252 00:16:04,827 --> 00:16:07,034 to make her life a little easier. 253 00:16:07,068 --> 00:16:09,448 Said she was working and going to school at the same time. 254 00:16:11,206 --> 00:16:14,655 The co-worker did not want Heather to tell anybody 255 00:16:14,689 --> 00:16:18,310 what they were doing and where they were going. 256 00:16:18,344 --> 00:16:21,655 Apparently, Heather had said to her boyfriend, 257 00:16:21,689 --> 00:16:24,310 "I'm kind of apprehensive, but I'm gonna be okay. 258 00:16:24,344 --> 00:16:27,413 I'm gonna take a steak knife and I'm gonna keep it in my purse." 259 00:16:27,448 --> 00:16:34,275 And she also said that the co-worker wanted them to stop in the Redwoods 260 00:16:34,310 --> 00:16:38,689 and find a fern for a gift for this individual, 261 00:16:38,724 --> 00:16:43,034 kind of soften him up to see what kind of good deal she could get from him. 262 00:16:43,068 --> 00:16:46,448 So, she said, "If you don't hear from me by 7 o'clock, 263 00:16:46,482 --> 00:16:47,551 call the police." 264 00:16:48,517 --> 00:16:50,827 Out of abundance of caution and concern, 265 00:16:50,862 --> 00:16:55,724 she left that name, and address, and phone number with her boyfriend. 266 00:16:55,758 --> 00:17:00,137 The co-worker was a gentleman by the name of David Carpenter. 267 00:17:00,172 --> 00:17:05,068 She had told her boyfriend that the co-worker was gonna pick her up, 268 00:17:05,103 --> 00:17:07,103 at 7 o'clock in the morning, 269 00:17:07,137 --> 00:17:11,620 a block away from her apartment at the convenience store. 270 00:17:11,655 --> 00:17:16,206 And, as far as we know, the clerk was the last person to have saw her that day. 271 00:17:20,724 --> 00:17:24,758 She had reservations about going 272 00:17:24,793 --> 00:17:27,103 because of the way this guy acted. 273 00:17:27,137 --> 00:17:29,620 I don't know why she went. 274 00:17:29,655 --> 00:17:33,689 When Heather didn't come back, the bells started going off. 275 00:17:33,724 --> 00:17:36,965 Her boyfriend, Dan, and his next door neighbor 276 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,448 called the phone number that Heather had provided, 277 00:17:40,482 --> 00:17:43,344 and they ended up talking to David's mother. 278 00:17:43,379 --> 00:17:46,724 David wasn't home. He was at the ballet. 279 00:17:46,758 --> 00:17:50,551 As far as his being with Heather that day, 280 00:17:50,586 --> 00:17:53,931 the mother had no information about that. 281 00:17:53,965 --> 00:17:56,965 She said, however, that David did leave the house 282 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,689 between 5AM and 5:30 that morning to go to work. 283 00:18:02,724 --> 00:18:07,172 Dan and his next door neighbor ended up driving to San Francisco. 284 00:18:07,206 --> 00:18:10,827 They waited until David did finally arrive at home, 285 00:18:11,586 --> 00:18:13,793 and they challenged him. 286 00:18:13,827 --> 00:18:16,482 "Hey, where is Heather? What happened to her?" 287 00:18:18,551 --> 00:18:20,620 Of course, David's response was, 288 00:18:20,655 --> 00:18:23,689 "Nah, I didn't wake in time and I wasn't feeling well, 289 00:18:23,724 --> 00:18:27,310 so I haven't seen Heather since yesterday." 290 00:18:27,344 --> 00:18:31,689 David told the boys that he didn't even leave his house 291 00:18:31,724 --> 00:18:34,517 until approximately 11:00 that morning, 292 00:18:34,551 --> 00:18:37,103 and that it was to go to work and fix his car. 293 00:18:37,137 --> 00:18:39,827 Carpenter didn't know that they'd talked to mom. 294 00:18:39,862 --> 00:18:42,689 Of course, then they came home and called the police. 295 00:18:44,793 --> 00:18:49,034 We went to the workplace, and we talked to the two owners, 296 00:18:49,068 --> 00:18:51,965 and we learned as much as we could about Heather 297 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,103 and who she got to associate with there. 298 00:18:55,137 --> 00:18:57,137 And when we get to David it's like, 299 00:18:57,172 --> 00:19:01,896 "Hmm, this is interesting. Really?" 300 00:19:01,931 --> 00:19:07,344 He was a unique character, a very affable person. 301 00:19:07,379 --> 00:19:09,862 He got along well with everybody, pretty much, 302 00:19:10,655 --> 00:19:13,034 and he had a stutter. 303 00:19:13,068 --> 00:19:16,517 He seemed to be overly attentive to Heather. 304 00:19:16,551 --> 00:19:22,724 According to some co-workers, Carpenter tried to become a father figure to her, 305 00:19:22,758 --> 00:19:27,896 and we were later to find out that Carpenter was a parolee. 306 00:19:27,931 --> 00:19:30,758 Now we are a little more concerned. 307 00:19:30,793 --> 00:19:33,586 I mean, this is not your average co-worker. 308 00:19:37,413 --> 00:19:39,793 Before we left the trade school, 309 00:19:39,827 --> 00:19:41,896 we went out to the parking lot. 310 00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:48,206 Off in the corner, behind some other cars, was this dusty red Fiat. 311 00:19:48,241 --> 00:19:51,862 I walk by that car and go, "Whose car is that?" 312 00:19:52,586 --> 00:19:54,758 "Oh, that's David's car." 313 00:19:54,793 --> 00:19:57,137 We asked the employers, 314 00:19:57,172 --> 00:19:59,172 and they said, "Well, he's got two cars. 315 00:19:59,206 --> 00:20:03,241 He's got a green Chevy '69 Nomad, 316 00:20:03,275 --> 00:20:05,344 and he has a little red Fiat." 317 00:20:06,172 --> 00:20:08,896 Hmm, this is curious, 318 00:20:08,931 --> 00:20:10,689 because it matched the description 319 00:20:10,724 --> 00:20:14,724 that was put out on the law enforcement information bulletin 320 00:20:14,758 --> 00:20:20,413 of a dirty red compact car that has a square, rectangular back end 321 00:20:20,448 --> 00:20:24,172 and a bent down tailpipe on the right side. 322 00:20:24,206 --> 00:20:25,862 So, I photographed it. 323 00:20:27,448 --> 00:20:31,034 Heather's mother, Mary, mentioned Heather had a habit 324 00:20:31,068 --> 00:20:36,000 of carrying lots of green tissue, Kleenex, with her all the time, 325 00:20:36,034 --> 00:20:41,241 which was interesting in that on the seat was some green tissues, 326 00:20:41,275 --> 00:20:43,172 and then more green tissues on the floor. 327 00:20:45,413 --> 00:20:48,551 We felt we needed now to talk to David 328 00:20:48,586 --> 00:20:52,206 and find out what he could tell us. 329 00:20:52,241 --> 00:20:55,034 I contacted David's parole officer 330 00:20:55,068 --> 00:20:57,896 and said, "We'd like to do this interview." 331 00:20:57,931 --> 00:21:01,758 And he said, "Oh, David would prefer to meet in my office, 332 00:21:01,793 --> 00:21:04,379 and he's more than willing to help you 333 00:21:04,413 --> 00:21:05,206 in any way he can." 334 00:21:07,862 --> 00:21:12,275 He wasn't this milk toast kind of guy that I saw all the time. 335 00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:15,379 He was, I thought, in his element. 336 00:21:15,413 --> 00:21:16,758 He was enjoying this. 337 00:21:34,620 --> 00:21:37,482 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 338 00:21:37,517 --> 00:21:41,862 20-year-old Heather Scaggs went missing on May 2nd, 1981. 339 00:21:41,896 --> 00:21:43,482 She was supposed to meet a co-worker 340 00:21:43,517 --> 00:21:45,379 named David Carpenter that day, 341 00:21:45,413 --> 00:21:49,310 and drive to Santa Cruz to buy a used car from his friend. 342 00:21:49,344 --> 00:21:51,000 Heather was apprehensive about the trip, 343 00:21:51,034 --> 00:21:53,206 but she decided to go anyway. 344 00:21:53,241 --> 00:21:58,172 Investigators decided to meet with Carpenter to question him about Heather. 345 00:21:58,206 --> 00:22:01,137 Turned out to be a meeting no one would forget. 346 00:22:02,517 --> 00:22:04,586 At a stop-and-shop market in San Jose, 347 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:07,724 the place at which Heather Scaggs last was seen alive, 348 00:22:07,758 --> 00:22:10,034 her picture this afternoon was posted on the window. 349 00:22:21,172 --> 00:22:23,965 David walked in my office, 350 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,275 and he's grown a beard, and he wasn't wearing glasses, 351 00:22:27,310 --> 00:22:30,724 So he was altering his appearance. 352 00:22:30,758 --> 00:22:34,068 The bells and whistles were going off at that point. 353 00:22:34,103 --> 00:22:38,206 My first impression was that he was very pleasant, 354 00:22:38,241 --> 00:22:40,827 eager to be there for us. 355 00:22:40,862 --> 00:22:44,000 Kind of a out-of-shape, middle aged, balding, 356 00:22:45,137 --> 00:22:47,241 well-dressed, well-groomed person. 357 00:22:47,275 --> 00:22:50,034 But I hadn't heard him speak at that point. 358 00:22:50,068 --> 00:22:54,068 My partner asked him the first question, 359 00:22:54,103 --> 00:22:57,551 and I couldn't believe what happened. 360 00:22:59,137 --> 00:23:00,793 He started to contort his body, 361 00:23:00,827 --> 00:23:02,758 he twisted his neck, and was looking upward, 362 00:23:02,793 --> 00:23:06,655 and he was struggling to speak. 363 00:23:06,689 --> 00:23:09,965 And I thought, "My gosh, this guy is having a seizure." 364 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,068 It was a lot more than just a mild stutter. 365 00:23:12,103 --> 00:23:15,655 A lot of noises before he could get a word out, 366 00:23:15,689 --> 00:23:19,206 and clearly, the situation was distressing to him. 367 00:23:20,862 --> 00:23:21,965 We continued on, 368 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000 and I was kind of getting skeptical 369 00:23:24,034 --> 00:23:28,827 that this man could be a harmful individual 370 00:23:28,862 --> 00:23:31,517 because of the way he was struggling and behaving. 371 00:23:31,551 --> 00:23:34,172 Kind of a meek, mild, harmless guy. 372 00:23:34,206 --> 00:23:37,896 How would he be able to give commands 373 00:23:37,931 --> 00:23:42,137 if he was facing Ellen and Steven Haertle? 374 00:23:42,172 --> 00:23:43,689 Steven, an excellent witness, 375 00:23:43,724 --> 00:23:47,724 said this man had no speech impediments, no lisps. 376 00:23:47,758 --> 00:23:50,482 I don't believe they ever talked about 377 00:23:50,517 --> 00:23:53,206 the murders in Santa Cruz County or Marin County. 378 00:23:53,241 --> 00:23:58,344 This was solely focused on Heather Scaggs. 379 00:23:58,379 --> 00:24:01,241 He admitted that he had made arrangements to pick her up 380 00:24:01,275 --> 00:24:05,206 and take her to Santa Cruz to see about buying a car. 381 00:24:05,241 --> 00:24:07,965 And then he said he just didn't make it. 382 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,689 The arrangement he had made with Heather was to pick her up at 7:00, 383 00:24:10,724 --> 00:24:13,206 and if he wasn't there by 8:00 it was off 384 00:24:13,241 --> 00:24:14,758 and they'd do it another time. 385 00:24:14,793 --> 00:24:16,620 He said, "My car broke down." 386 00:24:16,655 --> 00:24:20,241 Then, he pulled out a receipt for an auto repair 387 00:24:20,275 --> 00:24:23,103 for his 1969 Chevy station wagon. 388 00:24:23,137 --> 00:24:26,551 I said, "Do you have access to any other vehicles?" 389 00:24:26,586 --> 00:24:30,965 And he said, "No, no, that's my only car. I don't have any other car." 390 00:24:31,758 --> 00:24:34,620 And I didn't challenge him on it, 391 00:24:34,655 --> 00:24:38,931 but it was very significant that he didn't want me to know about the red Fiat. 392 00:24:38,965 --> 00:24:41,551 He was a driving a car that nobody knew about. 393 00:24:41,586 --> 00:24:42,862 I don't know about it. 394 00:24:42,896 --> 00:24:45,206 But this interview went for 395 00:24:45,241 --> 00:24:47,413 probably an hour-and-a-half, 396 00:24:47,448 --> 00:24:51,758 and during that time these flags kept flying. 397 00:24:51,793 --> 00:24:54,689 He was, I thought, in his element. 398 00:24:54,724 --> 00:24:57,172 He was enjoying the verbal fencing. 399 00:24:57,206 --> 00:25:01,482 I saw a really assertive, almost powerful guy 400 00:25:02,344 --> 00:25:03,758 that I've never seen before. 401 00:25:03,793 --> 00:25:05,586 And one of the significant things 402 00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:09,103 was he says, "I'm a parolee. 403 00:25:09,137 --> 00:25:11,793 I should be your number one suspect. 404 00:25:11,827 --> 00:25:15,896 The reason I'm a parolee is because of my mother. 405 00:25:15,931 --> 00:25:18,827 She was very domineering with me, 406 00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:23,827 and my mom made me take ballet lessons, 407 00:25:23,862 --> 00:25:26,482 and I didn't want to take ballet lessons." 408 00:25:26,517 --> 00:25:30,034 So I said, "Well, David, you know, 409 00:25:30,068 --> 00:25:34,034 when I was nine-years-old my mom did the same thing to me. 410 00:25:34,068 --> 00:25:38,482 I had to take ballet lessons, and you know what, I resented it too." 411 00:25:38,517 --> 00:25:40,241 And he looked at me 412 00:25:40,275 --> 00:25:42,206 and he said, "Let me show you." 413 00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:47,620 And he got up, and he started demonstrating, doing plies and pirouettes. 414 00:25:49,034 --> 00:25:50,586 I'm sitting there, watching this happen, 415 00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:52,793 and going, "I don't believe it." 416 00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:56,448 And the whole time that he was doing this, 417 00:25:56,482 --> 00:25:59,689 we ceded control of that interview to him. 418 00:26:00,482 --> 00:26:03,344 He never stuttered one time. 419 00:26:03,379 --> 00:26:08,862 Is this the same guy that an hour-and-a-half ago could hardly get a word out? 420 00:26:08,896 --> 00:26:11,551 The transformation was amazing. 421 00:26:11,586 --> 00:26:13,689 He carried this on for several minutes. 422 00:26:13,724 --> 00:26:19,103 While he is expressing these angers and frustrations, 423 00:26:19,137 --> 00:26:24,344 it's occurring to me that this man has a grudge against his mom, 424 00:26:24,379 --> 00:26:27,000 and it probably explains the hostility that, 425 00:26:27,034 --> 00:26:31,827 if he was a sexual predator, he hates women. 426 00:26:31,862 --> 00:26:35,137 And when he sat down he started stuttering again. 427 00:26:35,758 --> 00:26:37,000 It was dramatic. 428 00:26:38,275 --> 00:26:40,310 We were shutting down the interview, 429 00:26:40,344 --> 00:26:42,586 we were getting ready to leave, 430 00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:44,758 and he looked at me directly and said, 431 00:26:45,689 --> 00:26:47,586 "I pray to God no one finds her body 432 00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:49,241 and finds that she's been raped." 433 00:26:50,344 --> 00:26:53,724 And we had never discussed a homicide, 434 00:26:53,758 --> 00:26:55,793 we had never discussed a rape, 435 00:26:55,827 --> 00:26:57,896 we had never even discussed a crime. 436 00:26:57,931 --> 00:26:59,827 That was speaking volumes to us. 437 00:26:59,862 --> 00:27:02,586 At that point, I know. 438 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:07,758 I can't prove it yet but I know. 439 00:27:07,793 --> 00:27:09,275 When we finished that interview, 440 00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:10,793 I really believed Heather was dead. 441 00:27:14,586 --> 00:27:18,896 The next thing that went off in my mind was, 442 00:27:18,931 --> 00:27:23,137 "We just let a killer walk out of this office, 443 00:27:23,172 --> 00:27:24,758 and it's the weekend." 444 00:27:24,793 --> 00:27:27,620 That's when The Trailside Killer 445 00:27:27,655 --> 00:27:30,241 usually killed his victims. 446 00:27:30,965 --> 00:27:32,586 It was a big enough concern, 447 00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:37,137 that we contacted both Santa Cruz County and Marin County 448 00:27:37,172 --> 00:27:40,241 that very evening and said, 449 00:27:40,275 --> 00:27:43,068 "We have information on the suspect that you need to know, 450 00:27:43,103 --> 00:27:46,103 because," we said, "he's quite possibly The Trailside killer." 451 00:28:01,758 --> 00:28:02,655 When San Jose 452 00:28:02,689 --> 00:28:04,344 had that missing persons report, 453 00:28:04,379 --> 00:28:08,448 those two officers went and saw the car in the parking lot, 454 00:28:08,482 --> 00:28:13,620 and put those together, took the pictures, that was it. 455 00:28:13,655 --> 00:28:15,172 We knew that we had the guy, 456 00:28:15,206 --> 00:28:17,586 but we knew we need more evidence. 457 00:28:20,172 --> 00:28:24,793 We started the surveillance on Saturday, May 9th. 458 00:28:24,827 --> 00:28:29,344 The FBI had an airplane over the sky every daylight hour. 459 00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:32,931 They had vans following him. 460 00:28:32,965 --> 00:28:36,482 I got reports daily, sometimes more than once a day 461 00:28:36,517 --> 00:28:38,655 of what he was doing, where he was. 462 00:28:38,689 --> 00:28:40,620 It was getting toward the weekend, 463 00:28:40,655 --> 00:28:43,241 and they were concerned that he could kill somebody else. 464 00:28:43,275 --> 00:28:45,965 And so that's how that whole week got started. 465 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,965 It came together in warp speed. 466 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,655 I've never seen anything quite like that. 467 00:28:49,689 --> 00:28:52,827 We went out and interviewed David's parents, 468 00:28:53,517 --> 00:28:55,000 and that interview confirmed 469 00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:57,275 he was, uh, living with a woman 470 00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:58,551 by the name of Candy. 471 00:28:58,586 --> 00:29:02,344 She was a part-time bartender in the San Francisco area. 472 00:29:02,379 --> 00:29:03,724 She'd already moved out, 473 00:29:03,758 --> 00:29:06,413 she left in April of that year. 474 00:29:06,448 --> 00:29:08,931 I get a hold of Stoney, we sit down with Candy, 475 00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:11,517 and was that an interview. 476 00:29:11,551 --> 00:29:12,827 Wow. 477 00:29:12,862 --> 00:29:15,517 Candy was, uh, 478 00:29:15,551 --> 00:29:18,344 a free spirit, I think I'll use that term. 479 00:29:18,379 --> 00:29:21,379 We talked to her about her relationship with David, 480 00:29:21,413 --> 00:29:23,896 and, um, was he ever aggressive or violent, 481 00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:26,862 and she only had one occasion where he got a little bit aggressive, 482 00:29:26,896 --> 00:29:29,310 and she got in his face right away, 483 00:29:29,344 --> 00:29:30,241 and he backed right off. 484 00:29:31,793 --> 00:29:34,758 I said to her, "Did you ever give him a present?" 485 00:29:34,793 --> 00:29:37,137 And she was, "No, I never gave him a present," 486 00:29:37,172 --> 00:29:40,000 but she says, "He took something of mine. 487 00:29:40,034 --> 00:29:42,068 It was this yellow jacket that said 488 00:29:42,103 --> 00:29:46,172 'Olympic beer drinking team', uh, 'Billings, Montana'. 489 00:29:46,206 --> 00:29:48,379 It was a little large for me, so he just took it. 490 00:29:48,413 --> 00:29:51,896 My boss who owned the bar, he ordered 12 of 'em." 491 00:29:51,931 --> 00:29:54,241 And then I said, "Whatever happened to that jacket?" 492 00:29:54,275 --> 00:29:57,413 And she said, "Oh, David told me it was stolen out of his car," 493 00:29:57,448 --> 00:29:59,862 and Stoney and I are smiling at each other, going, 494 00:30:00,551 --> 00:30:01,482 "Got it! 495 00:30:02,344 --> 00:30:03,689 Got it!" 496 00:30:03,724 --> 00:30:06,344 That was the connector to put him at the crime scene 497 00:30:06,379 --> 00:30:09,172 wearing something unique that was golden, 498 00:30:09,206 --> 00:30:10,482 no pun intended. 499 00:30:10,517 --> 00:30:12,241 Now we have our case. 500 00:30:12,275 --> 00:30:14,241 Authorities in Northern California 501 00:30:14,275 --> 00:30:16,310 have arrested a suspect in the so called 502 00:30:16,344 --> 00:30:18,034 "Trailside murder cases". 503 00:30:18,068 --> 00:30:20,724 David J. Carpenter has been charged with one murder, 504 00:30:20,758 --> 00:30:22,482 and he may soon be charged with more. 505 00:30:22,517 --> 00:30:24,172 There was no resistance. 506 00:30:24,206 --> 00:30:26,655 It was almost like he expected, sooner or later, 507 00:30:26,689 --> 00:30:28,551 they were gonna be knocking on his door. 508 00:30:28,586 --> 00:30:30,655 The arrest warrant charges Carpenter 509 00:30:30,689 --> 00:30:32,344 with the March 29th shooting murder 510 00:30:32,379 --> 00:30:34,310 of 20-year-old Ellen Hansen, 511 00:30:34,344 --> 00:30:36,310 and the attempted murder of her companion, 512 00:30:36,344 --> 00:30:37,517 Steven Haertle. 513 00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:41,482 When we had arrested David, 514 00:30:42,206 --> 00:30:43,965 a line-up was done. 515 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,137 Steven keyed in on him right away. 516 00:30:46,172 --> 00:30:49,482 "That's the man right there. That's the guy." 517 00:30:49,517 --> 00:30:52,241 Sheriff Howenstein describes the mood of the department 518 00:30:52,275 --> 00:30:54,034 as one of elation, 519 00:30:54,068 --> 00:30:56,965 and now there is hope that the mystery behind this string of murders 520 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,172 that has terrified and shocked the community 521 00:30:59,206 --> 00:31:00,482 has finally been solved. 522 00:31:00,517 --> 00:31:02,965 We were on the search warrant team... 523 00:31:04,344 --> 00:31:06,448 ...that went to Carpenter's house. 524 00:31:06,482 --> 00:31:07,862 There was tons of maps. 525 00:31:07,896 --> 00:31:11,310 Marin, Tamalpais, Santa Cruz. 526 00:31:11,344 --> 00:31:13,620 Well, we didn't find the things we were looking for, 527 00:31:13,655 --> 00:31:15,551 the jacket and the firearms. 528 00:31:15,586 --> 00:31:19,137 I think that when he figured the noose was getting tighter, 529 00:31:19,172 --> 00:31:20,413 he started getting rid of the stuff. 530 00:31:20,448 --> 00:31:21,827 Where was this .38? 531 00:31:22,965 --> 00:31:24,862 Will we ever see that gun now? 532 00:31:24,896 --> 00:31:26,137 Where is it? 533 00:31:26,172 --> 00:31:28,413 It wasn't an impossible hurdle, 534 00:31:28,448 --> 00:31:30,896 but it certainly was a handicap. 535 00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:34,724 Fifty-one-year-old David Joseph Carpenter 536 00:31:34,758 --> 00:31:36,896 was arraigned in Santa Cruz, California. 537 00:31:36,931 --> 00:31:39,241 The printer, who has a long criminal-record, 538 00:31:39,275 --> 00:31:42,379 suffers from a crippling stutter, which was painfully apparent. 539 00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:44,620 David Joseph Carpenter is your true name? 540 00:31:49,068 --> 00:31:50,137 ...correct. 541 00:31:55,793 --> 00:31:58,758 Nine days after David Carpenter was arrested, 542 00:31:58,793 --> 00:32:01,310 Heather Scaggs' body was finally found. 543 00:32:01,344 --> 00:32:04,827 Heather was found by two hikers 544 00:32:04,862 --> 00:32:08,034 in the Big Basin State Park. 545 00:32:08,068 --> 00:32:10,000 Her body was badly decomposed. 546 00:32:10,034 --> 00:32:12,275 She had been shot with a .38-caliber weapon. 547 00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:15,482 She was found raped and with a gunshot to her face. 548 00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:20,310 Carpenter got her to do what he wanted. 549 00:32:20,344 --> 00:32:22,896 Heather didn't want to go to the mountains to get a fern, 550 00:32:22,931 --> 00:32:25,448 she just wanted to go to Santa Cruz, get a car, and come home. 551 00:32:26,482 --> 00:32:28,862 I wish there was a way to see 552 00:32:28,896 --> 00:32:32,275 what was going through Heather's mind 553 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:35,172 when she got out of the car to look for the fern. 554 00:32:35,206 --> 00:32:39,620 Is she noticing that there are no ferns anywhere in that area? 555 00:32:39,655 --> 00:32:43,862 Was she thinking, "Uh-oh, this is not going the way I thought it would?" 556 00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:53,448 To this day, I hike extensively in these mountains. 557 00:32:53,482 --> 00:32:56,275 I cannot see a fern without thinking of that young woman. 558 00:33:11,551 --> 00:33:13,689 Shane Williams robs a bank, 559 00:33:14,517 --> 00:33:15,551 and gets caught. 560 00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:19,620 So, now that, uh, he's in federal custody, 561 00:33:19,655 --> 00:33:22,275 and he wants to see if he can get his break. 562 00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:24,379 He says, "Tell you what, guys, 563 00:33:24,413 --> 00:33:26,034 let's play, and let's make a deal." 564 00:33:26,068 --> 00:33:30,241 So, he tells them that he knows where the gun is 565 00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:32,413 that the Trailside Killer used. 566 00:33:32,448 --> 00:33:35,275 Shane said that Carpenter volunteered 567 00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:37,206 to loan him a gun for a bank robbery. 568 00:33:38,068 --> 00:33:39,275 so, Shane took him up on it. 569 00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:41,689 David Carpenter's plan is, 570 00:33:41,724 --> 00:33:43,344 "Go rob a bank, 571 00:33:43,379 --> 00:33:46,034 you'll be shot and killed or you'll be arrested, 572 00:33:46,068 --> 00:33:48,103 and there's the murder weapon, 573 00:33:48,137 --> 00:33:50,413 and you're the Trailside Killer." 574 00:33:50,448 --> 00:33:51,689 He's not a dumb person. 575 00:33:52,517 --> 00:33:54,275 Pretty wily. 576 00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:56,620 And then he realizes he's been set up. 577 00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:00,000 And he takes that gun, and he goes and hides it. 578 00:34:00,034 --> 00:34:02,103 So, Shane tells me where the gun is, 579 00:34:02,689 --> 00:34:04,034 exactly where it is. 580 00:34:04,068 --> 00:34:06,724 It was at a lot where a gas station was being torn down, 581 00:34:06,758 --> 00:34:08,586 and he didn't know the address, 582 00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:10,448 but he describes it perfectly, 583 00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:12,137 so, I hustle right over to that area. 584 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,310 I start picking up asphalt, 585 00:34:14,344 --> 00:34:16,931 and there's newspaper in a bundle, 586 00:34:16,965 --> 00:34:19,137 and there's the gun in the newspaper. 587 00:34:19,172 --> 00:34:21,344 They sent it over to the lab, 588 00:34:21,379 --> 00:34:24,000 and did the ballistics and they matched. 589 00:34:27,344 --> 00:34:30,413 It really wasn't the matter of so much of what he said, 590 00:34:30,448 --> 00:34:32,000 but how he said it. 591 00:34:36,862 --> 00:34:38,965 It just made me shudder. 592 00:34:50,724 --> 00:34:51,793 In May of '81, 593 00:34:51,827 --> 00:34:54,241 David Joseph Carpenter was arrested and charged 594 00:34:54,275 --> 00:34:56,517 with the murder of two women in Santa Cruz. 595 00:34:56,551 --> 00:34:57,896 Marin County then charged him 596 00:34:57,931 --> 00:35:00,172 with the murder of five more victims. 597 00:35:00,206 --> 00:35:02,413 By the time that case went to trial, 598 00:35:02,448 --> 00:35:06,137 it was, it was pretty much a slam dunk. 599 00:35:06,172 --> 00:35:09,827 There was two separate trials in two separate venues. 600 00:35:09,862 --> 00:35:11,931 The trials were moved out of the Bay area 601 00:35:11,965 --> 00:35:14,655 because of media publicity. 602 00:35:14,689 --> 00:35:17,758 Ended up costing the tax payer between $3 million and $5 million. 603 00:35:17,793 --> 00:35:19,965 And this was a death-penalty case. 604 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,620 They wanted to be sure they were going to get this man. 605 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,965 In the first trial, his attorney admitted 606 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,172 that Carpenter was guilty. 607 00:35:31,206 --> 00:35:33,655 He knew that there was just too much evidence. 608 00:35:33,689 --> 00:35:36,103 His strategy was just to save him from the death penalty. 609 00:35:36,137 --> 00:35:38,517 Haertle calmly described the sequence of events 610 00:35:38,551 --> 00:35:40,034 that preceded the attack. 611 00:35:40,068 --> 00:35:43,448 Steven Haertle was the prosecution's star witness. 612 00:35:43,482 --> 00:35:45,172 I heard two shots... 613 00:35:46,344 --> 00:35:49,034 ...and didn't feel anything. 614 00:35:49,068 --> 00:35:54,206 And then I felt like somebody hit my neck with a sledgehammer. 615 00:35:54,241 --> 00:35:56,827 Not only was he one of the only living witnesses 616 00:35:56,862 --> 00:35:58,793 who had been up close to the killer, 617 00:35:58,827 --> 00:36:00,896 he was able to give 618 00:36:00,931 --> 00:36:03,413 very disturbing details. 619 00:36:03,448 --> 00:36:06,206 I remember waking up lying on the ground. 620 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,517 What did you see? 621 00:36:09,551 --> 00:36:11,724 Ellen was lying on the ground, 622 00:36:11,758 --> 00:36:14,413 and her head was in a pool of blood. 623 00:36:14,448 --> 00:36:16,206 Steven Haertle who, to this day, 624 00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:19,068 has been living with that horror that he had to experience. 625 00:36:19,103 --> 00:36:23,241 Is the man who you saw here in this courtroom? 626 00:36:23,275 --> 00:36:24,586 Yes, he is. 627 00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:28,482 Would you point him out towards all of us. 628 00:36:28,517 --> 00:36:31,206 It's that gentleman sitting right there. 629 00:36:31,241 --> 00:36:32,931 -Are you point-- -In the, in the brown sweater. 630 00:36:34,206 --> 00:36:35,862 In the glasses. 631 00:36:35,896 --> 00:36:39,241 The real nail in the coffin was Steve being able to say, 632 00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:42,551 "He's the one who shot me and shot Ellen." 633 00:36:42,586 --> 00:36:45,896 That's the man. No doubt, no hesitation. 634 00:36:50,827 --> 00:36:52,344 The sixth day of July 635 00:36:52,379 --> 00:36:54,896 in the above entitled action, find the defendant, 636 00:36:54,931 --> 00:36:58,137 David Joseph Carpenter, guilty of the crime of murder. 637 00:36:58,172 --> 00:37:01,965 I must conclude with... 638 00:37:07,758 --> 00:37:09,862 Mothers of the two Santa Cruz County victims 639 00:37:09,896 --> 00:37:11,482 were happy with the verdict. 640 00:37:11,517 --> 00:37:13,413 I think this is a very fair panel, 641 00:37:13,448 --> 00:37:15,793 I think they've really been serious about it. 642 00:37:15,827 --> 00:37:17,931 I think it was a very good jury. 643 00:37:21,482 --> 00:37:23,448 Marin County now are preparing a new trial 644 00:37:23,482 --> 00:37:24,655 for five murders. 645 00:37:26,275 --> 00:37:29,448 After his first trial, when he got to death row, 646 00:37:29,482 --> 00:37:31,655 I picked up the phone and I just called San Quentin. 647 00:37:31,689 --> 00:37:34,931 Elaine Corral snagged the carpenter interview. 648 00:37:34,965 --> 00:37:39,482 He started talking about how he was not given a fair trial, 649 00:37:39,517 --> 00:37:42,275 that he was not the Trailside Killer. 650 00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:44,620 But it was when we got to the words "Killer", 651 00:37:44,655 --> 00:37:48,655 he stuttered with such a pronounced emphasis 652 00:37:49,413 --> 00:37:51,482 that it just made me shudder. 653 00:37:56,413 --> 00:38:00,413 To think what on Earth would these victims have, 654 00:38:00,448 --> 00:38:02,655 have thought, when I'm sitting at table, 655 00:38:02,689 --> 00:38:05,310 um, length away from him, and I felt it. 656 00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:15,068 "I'm not a k-k-k-k-killer." 657 00:38:15,103 --> 00:38:17,827 It really wasn't the matter of so much of what he said, 658 00:38:17,862 --> 00:38:19,275 but how he said it. 659 00:38:26,655 --> 00:38:28,517 And then they had trial number two. 660 00:38:30,655 --> 00:38:33,620 Carpenter got on the stand in his own defense. 661 00:38:33,655 --> 00:38:34,689 He was looking for sympathy. 662 00:38:35,724 --> 00:38:38,689 "Poor me, poor beat up little child." 663 00:38:38,724 --> 00:38:41,068 There was nothing else going for him. 664 00:38:41,103 --> 00:38:44,862 After I got my... ...Chevy station wagon, 665 00:38:44,896 --> 00:38:49,275 I began taking my father... ...shopping. 666 00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:53,586 He brought in calendars and detailed receipts 667 00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:58,206 trying to say that he could not have been in these places at this time. 668 00:38:58,241 --> 00:39:01,758 But his only witnesses that could corroborate these things 669 00:39:01,793 --> 00:39:04,413 was his father who had since died, 670 00:39:04,448 --> 00:39:08,034 his mother who was suffering with Alzheimer's disease, 671 00:39:08,068 --> 00:39:11,758 and these characters that he said he had been in prison with 672 00:39:11,793 --> 00:39:14,241 that he only knew by their nicknames. 673 00:39:14,275 --> 00:39:15,793 David always thinks he smart enough 674 00:39:15,827 --> 00:39:18,344 that he can do whatever he wants to and get away with it. 675 00:39:25,793 --> 00:39:27,724 We, the jury, in the above-entitled cause, 676 00:39:27,758 --> 00:39:29,551 determine that the penalty shall be death. 677 00:39:30,586 --> 00:39:32,379 I felt very good about the outcomes. 678 00:39:32,413 --> 00:39:34,793 Well, it's rewarding to know 679 00:39:34,827 --> 00:39:37,551 that we were able to successfully complete the circle, 680 00:39:37,586 --> 00:39:38,862 and put him away. 681 00:39:38,896 --> 00:39:42,068 David Carpenter was convicted of seven murders, 682 00:39:42,103 --> 00:39:45,724 and we know that there are others that they couldn't try him for. 683 00:39:54,758 --> 00:39:59,827 We were positive he killed Schwarz and Kane, 684 00:39:59,862 --> 00:40:02,931 but because they're different ammos, 685 00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:05,827 he was only tried for those seven murders 686 00:40:05,862 --> 00:40:07,586 'cause the gun tied them all together. 687 00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:10,862 Edda Kane was killed with a .44-caliber weapon, 688 00:40:10,896 --> 00:40:14,413 and Barbera Schwartz who had been stabbed to death 689 00:40:14,448 --> 00:40:16,689 could not be linked to the .38 caliber, 690 00:40:16,724 --> 00:40:19,103 so, they couldn't positively link him 691 00:40:19,137 --> 00:40:20,586 to the evidence they had. 692 00:40:23,827 --> 00:40:27,896 David Carpenter still professes his innocence to this day. 693 00:40:27,931 --> 00:40:31,241 I don't think he wants to allow himself to admit 694 00:40:31,275 --> 00:40:35,034 that he is the ugly, disgusting, 695 00:40:35,068 --> 00:40:37,758 vile human being that he is. 696 00:40:41,068 --> 00:40:42,758 The hikers are back in numbers, 697 00:40:42,793 --> 00:40:44,241 but for some who remember, 698 00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:46,931 hiking will never be the same again. 699 00:40:46,965 --> 00:40:48,862 I've started to hike again. 700 00:40:48,896 --> 00:40:50,172 -By yourself ever? -No. 701 00:40:51,275 --> 00:40:53,000 No, not anymore. 702 00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:55,379 David Carpenter decided to use 703 00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:58,413 the beauty of this area as a hunting ground 704 00:40:58,448 --> 00:41:01,758 that changed how people thought about that area 705 00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:03,896 for a long, long time afterwards. 706 00:41:03,931 --> 00:41:07,172 It was hard to just be in nature, 707 00:41:07,206 --> 00:41:08,758 and be at peace with it 708 00:41:08,793 --> 00:41:10,965 without thinking about David Carpenter. 709 00:41:11,689 --> 00:41:13,000 This guy was a predator, 710 00:41:13,931 --> 00:41:16,103 and he hid it beautifully. 711 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,448 In 2010, cold-case investigators 712 00:41:32,482 --> 00:41:34,758 use advanced DNA technology 713 00:41:34,793 --> 00:41:37,793 tying David Carpenter to yet another victim, 714 00:41:37,827 --> 00:41:41,241 a 23-year-old woman named Mary Frances Bennett. 715 00:41:41,275 --> 00:41:44,482 She was found stabbed to death in San Francisco in 1979. 716 00:41:45,275 --> 00:41:47,344 Carpenter, now in his 90s, 717 00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:51,241 is the oldest inmate still on California's death row. 718 00:41:51,275 --> 00:41:54,862 California currently has a moratorium on the death penalty, 719 00:41:54,896 --> 00:41:57,000 so, it is unlikely he will ever be put to death. 720 00:41:57,965 --> 00:42:00,241 I'm Donnie Wahlberg, thanks for watching, 721 00:42:01,103 --> 00:42:02,000 good night. 58223

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