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Welcome to Very Scary People.
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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For nature lovers,
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the hiking trails
of Northern California
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are nothing short of paradise.
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Stunning scenery,
breathtaking views,
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and the chance to escape
from the pressures
of daily life.
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But beginning in 1979,
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a chilling mystery
was unfolding on those trails.
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A man known as
The Trailside Killer
was targeting women,
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raping, torturing,
and murdering them
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in a place where
they had always felt safe.
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Investigators had few clues
to the killer's identity,
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but the last five murders
were all committed
with the same weapon,
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and the attacks happened
on weekends and holidays.
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Could this pattern
bring detectives closer
to catching this monster?
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Here's part two
of The Trailside Killer.
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Police are still trying
to find the person,
or persons,
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responsible for
seven grisly murders
in Marin County, California.
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It was the dominating news
of the time.
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The Trailside Killer was huge.
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It was random,
random victims,
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and those are
the most terrorizing
of killers
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because you don't know
who's next.
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You don't know if you're next.
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I got close enough
and I saw two people,
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and...
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It looked like
they were executed.
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This is beyond belief.
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That's four bodies
on the same trail.
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This was so deliberate.
Just...
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They found 38 bullets
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in all of them.
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That really made it
a serial murder case.
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Who is this person
that's doing this?
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As this pattern
of killings emerged,
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fear changed the way
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practically every
Bay Area hiker
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enjoyed the outdoors.
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There is a lot of ugliness
in those mountains.
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We had an awareness
because it was in the media
all the time,
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but the next leap is
did I know the person
who was doing these things?
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Never entered my mind.
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David Carpenter
had actually been in
the juvenile justice system.
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At the age of 14,
he was committed
to the Napa State Hospital
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for sexual offences.
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He was too ordinary
to notice,
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but he certainly
didn't have the record
of an ordinary person.
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July 12, 1960,
he was charged with assault
and kidnapping.
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Lois noticed
as soon as he started
the attack on her
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he didn't stutter at all,
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like it calmed him.
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David was raping,
and burglarizing homes,
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and kidnapping people,
and stealing cars.
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Later, the doctor said
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this man had
an overwhelming desire,
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but it couldn't
stay bottled up,
it had to come out.
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What did he learn
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the first two times
he went to prison?
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Kill your victim.
Chances of you getting caught
are a lot less.
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Ellen Hansen
and Steven Haertle
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were college students
from Davis
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who had come down here
for the weekend
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to enjoy the park.
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Ellen was familiar
with camping,
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but it would be
Steven's first camping trip,
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and she really wanted him
to experience
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this beautiful area.
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Ellen and Steve were hiking
toward an observation deck.
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Steven and Ellen
had passed this man
on the trail,
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and he seemed to have
this stern look on his face
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like he was really in a hurry
to get somewhere.
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Later that day,
they saw him again,
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and this time
he was coming towards them,
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and he said something
to the effect of,
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"Oh, so, we meet again."
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And Steven
was about to make a joke
or say something in response,
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and the man pulled out a gun.
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Steven starts to tell the man,
"You can have my wallet,
you can take our cash."
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And the man tells him,
"I'm not here to rob you.
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I'm gonna rape
your girlfriend."
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Well, Steve is trying
to talk him out it.
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"You don't want to do this."
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The man
is pointing his weapon
at them,
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trying to take them
off the trail.
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Ellen tells Steven,
"Don't do it,
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don't listen to him,
he's gonna shoot us anyway."
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At the same time,
Steven starts to stumble.
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It was almost like
an automatic response
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where she put up her hand
as if to ward off the gun.
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The man
shoots the weapon...
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...and hits both
Ellen and Steven.
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Steve goes down to the side,
and he gets shot in the neck.
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She got shot twice
in the torso...
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...and then he did
an execution shot to her head.
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In 1981, I was 18 years old.
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My dad and I went
for a trip together,
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and we had hiked
to this observation deck.
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It was a little bit
before sunset.
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There was actually a man
on the observation deck.
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He was
looking through binoculars,
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he was wearing blue jeans,
a golden color windbreaker,
and a cap,
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and he had a backpack.
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He just looked like
the average Joe, basically.
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We actually did
talk to the man a little bit.
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This is a wonderful location
to see the scenery,
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and he agreed but he said that
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he wished the sun
wasn't so bright.
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A few minutes
after this man departed
the observation deck,
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we heard this popping sound.
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Pop, pop, pop.
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We didn't really know exactly
what that popping sound was.
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My dad and I,
we decided to proceed on,
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and off in the distance
we saw a man approaching us,
yelling for help.
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He was holding his neck
and said, "I've been shot.
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My girlfriend is shot.
I believe she's dead."
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And then he described the man
who did the shootings.
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The description
fit exactly the man
that my dad and I spoke with.
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We had to come up with a plan.
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My dad would stay
with the man.
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I was to run
as fast as I could
to get help.
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I got to where
the trail head is,
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and people
that happened to be camping
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gave me a ride
to the ranger's station.
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My dad,
with the man who was shot,
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somehow
they were able to make it
to the park ranger's station,
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and while we were
standing there,
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we saw a car leave,
and that's him.
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He was leaving in
a red economy-type car.
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This crazy person
is out loose now.
Now what?
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There was a shooting
at Henry Cowell Park.
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A female was shot
and died at the scene,
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and her male companion,
he was shot,
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and he had been transported
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to Dominican Hospital
for treatment.
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I started bringing in guys,
getting everybody organized
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who had a ride to work
right then that day.
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We started getting the people
that were the witnesses.
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I remember the father,
Leland Fritz,
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watched him drive away
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and was able to give us
a pretty good description
of the red car.
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My dad was obviously
very observant.
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He saw the bent exhaust pipe.
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That information
went out in a bulletin
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to all the police departments.
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The individual was seen
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by a number of witnesses
that were also in the park.
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The description was
that he was an older man
in his '50s,
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he had a hat, baseball hat,
clean shaven,
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5'10", 5'11", over 185lbs,
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and he had
a distinctive jacket on.
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This was
a golden color windbreaker
that, on the back,
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it described something
about a beer drinking contest
in Montana.
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It was really a unique jacket.
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I didn't see Steven.
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I was just told
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that he was in distress
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at Dominican Hospital.
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Steve can't talk
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because he's got
this bullet wound
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in his throat,
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and it damaged
his vocal chords.
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So, we had
a very accomplished artist,
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and he starts with
the composite,
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but he makes it more realistic
so it's almost more like
a portrait.
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And we're showing it to Steve,
who's in the bed,
and he goes...
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Starts slapping
with the back of his hand,
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and he goes,
"That's it, that's it."
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He's saying this is the guy,
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and that's the one
that we put out.
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It's a day of tragedy.
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It's still difficult,
and just really hard
to understand why.
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I was aware that they thought
that they had a serial killer
in the parks
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in Marin County.
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But the description
that was put out by Marin
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did not match
the one of the guy
that we were getting,
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so we didn't know
if we had two people
doing these same cases
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or was the same guy
and a bad description.
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Marin's or theirs,
we had no idea at that point.
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And so, it was not until
we compared the ballistics
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for the bullets removed
from Ellen and Steven,
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that we were able
to match those up
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with the ballistics
from the bullets
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recovered from
the shootings in Marin.
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Suddenly, we knew we had
a serial murder case
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that was going over
two counties.
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All the crimes
are thought to be the work
of a psychotic killer
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whose composite sketch
was widely publicized.
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That's when we knew
we were looking for
the same person.
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I didn't learn about
David Carpenter's sex drive
until he told me about it
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when he met his girlfriend,
Candy.
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And, you know, I mean,
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this is not something
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you typically talk about
with people.
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He had met Candy,
and I remember him
coming into my office,
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and just busting out
about how he had
met this woman,
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and he was madly in love,
and that her sex drive
was as strong as his.
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He had never met anybody
like her.
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He met her
after going to his
parole officer's office.
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Candy was sitting on the curb
by her car.
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The car had stopped running,
and she didn't have
any money or anything.
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So, he saw her
and started chatting with her.
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They tow her car,
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and he takes her for a ride
to the parking lot
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at Mount Tamalpais.
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Oh, lady,
you don't have a clue.
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This guy had
a heck of an appetite for sex,
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and it just so happened
that Candy gave in to him.
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Next thing, they're having sex
in the backseat in the car.
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I firmly believe
sex is what saved Candy.
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Few hours later,
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he's inviting her
to come live with him.
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I guess
he fell in love with her
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because he ends up
taking her home.
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And she found a job
bartending.
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Before you know it,
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she's his fiancee.
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Whoa, that was fast.
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Very strange relationship.
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David would offer
to help people
even if they didn't want help.
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He wanted them to owe him.
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He knew exactly what to say.
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He knew exactly how
to get people
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in the positions
that he wanted
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in order to kill them.
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Carpenter had switched jobs,
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and he's going
to Econo Quick Print...
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Where he is excelling.
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I remember
writing them a letter
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in which, basically,
was a warning
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that this guy
should not be around women
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because of his
assaultive behavior
in the past.
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It was certainly something
that I was concerned about.
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Heather Scaggs
was a young lady
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who was living in San Jose.
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She was very interested
in graphic design,
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and she hooked up
with a print school,
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and next door to the school
was a quick print operation,
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and so,
as she was attending school,
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she would work
at the quick print shop.
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She commuted up
to the trade school.
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She had a little Volkswagen,
and at some point
it quit working,
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and so she wanted
to get another one.
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And this male co-worker
that she had,
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he had a contact
in Santa Cruz County
that had a used Volkswagen,
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much newer than
the one she had,
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and she could
buy that Volkswagen.
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And then he
sweetened the pot a little bit
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with, "If you don't have
all the money,
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I'll loan you
the rest of the money,
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and you can
pay me back monthly."
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She was pretty desperate
to get transportation
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to make her life
a little easier.
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Said she was working
and going to school
at the same time.
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The co-worker
did not want Heather
to tell anybody
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what they were doing
and where they were going.
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Apparently,
Heather had said
to her boyfriend,
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"I'm kind of apprehensive,
but I'm gonna be okay.
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I'm gonna take a steak knife
and I'm gonna keep it
in my purse."
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And she also said
that the co-worker wanted them
to stop in the Redwoods
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and find a fern for a gift
for this individual,
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kind of soften him up
to see what kind of good deal
she could get from him.
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So, she said,
"If you don't hear from me
by 7 o'clock,
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call the police."
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Out of abundance
of caution and concern,
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she left that name,
and address, and phone number
with her boyfriend.
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The co-worker was a gentleman
by the name of
David Carpenter.
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She had told her boyfriend
that the co-worker
was gonna pick her up,
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at 7 o'clock in the morning,
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a block away
from her apartment
at the convenience store.
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And, as far as we know,
the clerk was the last person
to have saw her that day.
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She had reservations
about going
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because of the way
this guy acted.
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I don't know why she went.
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When Heather didn't come back,
the bells started going off.
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Her boyfriend, Dan,
and his next door neighbor
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called the phone number
that Heather had provided,
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and they ended up
talking to David's mother.
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David wasn't home.
He was at the ballet.
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As far as his being
with Heather that day,
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the mother had
no information about that.
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She said, however,
that David did leave the house
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between 5AM
and 5:30 that morning
to go to work.
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Dan and his next door neighbor
ended up driving
to San Francisco.
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They waited until David
did finally arrive at home,
285
00:18:11,586 --> 00:18:13,793
and they challenged him.
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"Hey, where is Heather?
What happened to her?"
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Of course,
David's response was,
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"Nah, I didn't wake in time
and I wasn't feeling well,
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so I haven't seen Heather
since yesterday."
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David told the boys that
he didn't even leave his house
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until approximately 11:00
that morning,
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and that it was to go to work
and fix his car.
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Carpenter didn't know
that they'd talked to mom.
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Of course, then they came home
and called the police.
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We went to the workplace,
and we talked
to the two owners,
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and we learned
as much as we could
about Heather
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and who she got
to associate with there.
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And when we get to David
it's like,
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"Hmm, this is interesting.
Really?"
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He was a unique character,
a very affable person.
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He got along well
with everybody, pretty much,
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and he had a stutter.
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He seemed to be
overly attentive to Heather.
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00:19:16,551 --> 00:19:22,724
According to some co-workers,
Carpenter tried to become
a father figure to her,
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00:19:22,758 --> 00:19:27,896
and we were later to find out
that Carpenter was a parolee.
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00:19:27,931 --> 00:19:30,758
Now we are
a little more concerned.
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I mean, this is not
your average co-worker.
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Before we left
the trade school,
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00:19:39,827 --> 00:19:41,896
we went out
to the parking lot.
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Off in the corner,
behind some other cars,
was this dusty red Fiat.
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I walk by that car and go,
"Whose car is that?"
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"Oh, that's David's car."
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We asked the employers,
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00:19:57,172 --> 00:19:59,172
and they said,
"Well, he's got two cars.
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He's got a green
Chevy '69 Nomad,
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and he has a little red Fiat."
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00:20:06,172 --> 00:20:08,896
Hmm, this is curious,
318
00:20:08,931 --> 00:20:10,689
because it matched
the description
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00:20:10,724 --> 00:20:14,724
that was put out on
the law enforcement
information bulletin
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00:20:14,758 --> 00:20:20,413
of a dirty red compact car
that has a square,
rectangular back end
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00:20:20,448 --> 00:20:24,172
and a bent down tailpipe
on the right side.
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So, I photographed it.
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00:20:27,448 --> 00:20:31,034
Heather's mother, Mary,
mentioned Heather had a habit
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of carrying lots of
green tissue, Kleenex,
with her all the time,
325
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which was interesting
in that on the seat
was some green tissues,
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and then more green tissues
on the floor.
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00:20:45,413 --> 00:20:48,551
We felt we needed now
to talk to David
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and find out
what he could tell us.
329
00:20:52,241 --> 00:20:55,034
I contacted
David's parole officer
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00:20:55,068 --> 00:20:57,896
and said,
"We'd like to do
this interview."
331
00:20:57,931 --> 00:21:01,758
And he said,
"Oh, David would prefer
to meet in my office,
332
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and he's more than willing
to help you
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00:21:04,413 --> 00:21:05,206
in any way he can."
334
00:21:07,862 --> 00:21:12,275
He wasn't this
milk toast kind of guy
that I saw all the time.
335
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:15,379
He was, I thought,
in his element.
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00:21:15,413 --> 00:21:16,758
He was enjoying this.
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Welcome back
to Very Scary People.
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20-year-old Heather Scaggs
went missing on May 2nd, 1981.
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00:21:41,896 --> 00:21:43,482
She was supposed
to meet a co-worker
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named David Carpenter
that day,
341
00:21:45,413 --> 00:21:49,310
and drive to Santa Cruz
to buy a used car
from his friend.
342
00:21:49,344 --> 00:21:51,000
Heather was apprehensive
about the trip,
343
00:21:51,034 --> 00:21:53,206
but she decided to go anyway.
344
00:21:53,241 --> 00:21:58,172
Investigators decided
to meet with Carpenter
to question him about Heather.
345
00:21:58,206 --> 00:22:01,137
Turned out to be a meeting
no one would forget.
346
00:22:02,517 --> 00:22:04,586
At a stop-and-shop market
in San Jose,
347
00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:07,724
the place at which
Heather Scaggs
last was seen alive,
348
00:22:07,758 --> 00:22:10,034
her picture this afternoon
was posted on the window.
349
00:22:21,172 --> 00:22:23,965
David walked in my office,
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00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,275
and he's grown a beard,
and he wasn't wearing glasses,
351
00:22:27,310 --> 00:22:30,724
So he was
altering his appearance.
352
00:22:30,758 --> 00:22:34,068
The bells and whistles
were going off at that point.
353
00:22:34,103 --> 00:22:38,206
My first impression was that
he was very pleasant,
354
00:22:38,241 --> 00:22:40,827
eager to be there for us.
355
00:22:40,862 --> 00:22:44,000
Kind of a out-of-shape,
middle aged, balding,
356
00:22:45,137 --> 00:22:47,241
well-dressed,
well-groomed person.
357
00:22:47,275 --> 00:22:50,034
But I hadn't heard him speak
at that point.
358
00:22:50,068 --> 00:22:54,068
My partner asked him
the first question,
359
00:22:54,103 --> 00:22:57,551
and I couldn't believe
what happened.
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00:22:59,137 --> 00:23:00,793
He started
to contort his body,
361
00:23:00,827 --> 00:23:02,758
he twisted his neck,
and was looking upward,
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00:23:02,793 --> 00:23:06,655
and he was
struggling to speak.
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00:23:06,689 --> 00:23:09,965
And I thought, "My gosh,
this guy is having a seizure."
364
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,068
It was a lot more
than just a mild stutter.
365
00:23:12,103 --> 00:23:15,655
A lot of noises
before he could
get a word out,
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00:23:15,689 --> 00:23:19,206
and clearly, the situation
was distressing to him.
367
00:23:20,862 --> 00:23:21,965
We continued on,
368
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,000
and I was kind of
getting skeptical
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00:23:24,034 --> 00:23:28,827
that this man
could be a harmful individual
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00:23:28,862 --> 00:23:31,517
because of the way
he was struggling
and behaving.
371
00:23:31,551 --> 00:23:34,172
Kind of a meek, mild,
harmless guy.
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00:23:34,206 --> 00:23:37,896
How would he be able
to give commands
373
00:23:37,931 --> 00:23:42,137
if he was facing
Ellen and Steven Haertle?
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00:23:42,172 --> 00:23:43,689
Steven, an excellent witness,
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00:23:43,724 --> 00:23:47,724
said this man had
no speech impediments,
no lisps.
376
00:23:47,758 --> 00:23:50,482
I don't believe
they ever talked about
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00:23:50,517 --> 00:23:53,206
the murders
in Santa Cruz County
or Marin County.
378
00:23:53,241 --> 00:23:58,344
This was solely focused on
Heather Scaggs.
379
00:23:58,379 --> 00:24:01,241
He admitted
that he had made arrangements
to pick her up
380
00:24:01,275 --> 00:24:05,206
and take her to Santa Cruz
to see about buying a car.
381
00:24:05,241 --> 00:24:07,965
And then he said
he just didn't make it.
382
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,689
The arrangement
he had made with Heather
was to pick her up at 7:00,
383
00:24:10,724 --> 00:24:13,206
and if he wasn't there by 8:00
it was off
384
00:24:13,241 --> 00:24:14,758
and they'd do it another time.
385
00:24:14,793 --> 00:24:16,620
He said, "My car broke down."
386
00:24:16,655 --> 00:24:20,241
Then, he pulled out a receipt
for an auto repair
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00:24:20,275 --> 00:24:23,103
for his 1969
Chevy station wagon.
388
00:24:23,137 --> 00:24:26,551
I said, "Do you have access
to any other vehicles?"
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00:24:26,586 --> 00:24:30,965
And he said,
"No, no, that's my only car.
I don't have any other car."
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00:24:31,758 --> 00:24:34,620
And I didn't challenge him
on it,
391
00:24:34,655 --> 00:24:38,931
but it was very significant
that he didn't want me to know
about the red Fiat.
392
00:24:38,965 --> 00:24:41,551
He was a driving a car
that nobody knew about.
393
00:24:41,586 --> 00:24:42,862
I don't know about it.
394
00:24:42,896 --> 00:24:45,206
But this interview went for
395
00:24:45,241 --> 00:24:47,413
probably an hour-and-a-half,
396
00:24:47,448 --> 00:24:51,758
and during that time
these flags kept flying.
397
00:24:51,793 --> 00:24:54,689
He was, I thought,
in his element.
398
00:24:54,724 --> 00:24:57,172
He was enjoying
the verbal fencing.
399
00:24:57,206 --> 00:25:01,482
I saw a really assertive,
almost powerful guy
400
00:25:02,344 --> 00:25:03,758
that I've never seen before.
401
00:25:03,793 --> 00:25:05,586
And one of
the significant things
402
00:25:05,620 --> 00:25:09,103
was he says, "I'm a parolee.
403
00:25:09,137 --> 00:25:11,793
I should be
your number one suspect.
404
00:25:11,827 --> 00:25:15,896
The reason I'm a parolee
is because of my mother.
405
00:25:15,931 --> 00:25:18,827
She was very domineering
with me,
406
00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:23,827
and my mom made me
take ballet lessons,
407
00:25:23,862 --> 00:25:26,482
and I didn't want
to take ballet lessons."
408
00:25:26,517 --> 00:25:30,034
So I said,
"Well, David, you know,
409
00:25:30,068 --> 00:25:34,034
when I was nine-years-old
my mom did the same thing
to me.
410
00:25:34,068 --> 00:25:38,482
I had to take ballet lessons,
and you know what,
I resented it too."
411
00:25:38,517 --> 00:25:40,241
And he looked at me
412
00:25:40,275 --> 00:25:42,206
and he said,
"Let me show you."
413
00:25:42,241 --> 00:25:47,620
And he got up,
and he started demonstrating,
doing plies and pirouettes.
414
00:25:49,034 --> 00:25:50,586
I'm sitting there,
watching this happen,
415
00:25:50,620 --> 00:25:52,793
and going,
"I don't believe it."
416
00:25:52,827 --> 00:25:56,448
And the whole time
that he was doing this,
417
00:25:56,482 --> 00:25:59,689
we ceded control
of that interview to him.
418
00:26:00,482 --> 00:26:03,344
He never stuttered one time.
419
00:26:03,379 --> 00:26:08,862
Is this the same guy
that an hour-and-a-half ago
could hardly get a word out?
420
00:26:08,896 --> 00:26:11,551
The transformation
was amazing.
421
00:26:11,586 --> 00:26:13,689
He carried this on
for several minutes.
422
00:26:13,724 --> 00:26:19,103
While he is expressing
these angers and frustrations,
423
00:26:19,137 --> 00:26:24,344
it's occurring to me
that this man has a grudge
against his mom,
424
00:26:24,379 --> 00:26:27,000
and it probably explains
the hostility that,
425
00:26:27,034 --> 00:26:31,827
if he was a sexual predator,
he hates women.
426
00:26:31,862 --> 00:26:35,137
And when he sat down
he started stuttering again.
427
00:26:35,758 --> 00:26:37,000
It was dramatic.
428
00:26:38,275 --> 00:26:40,310
We were shutting down
the interview,
429
00:26:40,344 --> 00:26:42,586
we were getting ready
to leave,
430
00:26:42,620 --> 00:26:44,758
and he looked at me directly
and said,
431
00:26:45,689 --> 00:26:47,586
"I pray to God
no one finds her body
432
00:26:47,620 --> 00:26:49,241
and finds
that she's been raped."
433
00:26:50,344 --> 00:26:53,724
And we had never discussed
a homicide,
434
00:26:53,758 --> 00:26:55,793
we had never discussed a rape,
435
00:26:55,827 --> 00:26:57,896
we had never even
discussed a crime.
436
00:26:57,931 --> 00:26:59,827
That was speaking volumes
to us.
437
00:26:59,862 --> 00:27:02,586
At that point, I know.
438
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:07,758
I can't prove it yet
but I know.
439
00:27:07,793 --> 00:27:09,275
When we finished
that interview,
440
00:27:09,310 --> 00:27:10,793
I really believed
Heather was dead.
441
00:27:14,586 --> 00:27:18,896
The next thing
that went off in my mind was,
442
00:27:18,931 --> 00:27:23,137
"We just let a killer
walk out of this office,
443
00:27:23,172 --> 00:27:24,758
and it's the weekend."
444
00:27:24,793 --> 00:27:27,620
That's when
The Trailside Killer
445
00:27:27,655 --> 00:27:30,241
usually killed his victims.
446
00:27:30,965 --> 00:27:32,586
It was a big enough concern,
447
00:27:32,620 --> 00:27:37,137
that we contacted both
Santa Cruz County
and Marin County
448
00:27:37,172 --> 00:27:40,241
that very evening and said,
449
00:27:40,275 --> 00:27:43,068
"We have information
on the suspect
that you need to know,
450
00:27:43,103 --> 00:27:46,103
because," we said,
"he's quite possibly
The Trailside killer."
451
00:28:01,758 --> 00:28:02,655
When San Jose
452
00:28:02,689 --> 00:28:04,344
had that
missing persons report,
453
00:28:04,379 --> 00:28:08,448
those two officers went
and saw the car
in the parking lot,
454
00:28:08,482 --> 00:28:13,620
and put those together,
took the pictures,
that was it.
455
00:28:13,655 --> 00:28:15,172
We knew that we had the guy,
456
00:28:15,206 --> 00:28:17,586
but we knew
we need more evidence.
457
00:28:20,172 --> 00:28:24,793
We started the surveillance
on Saturday, May 9th.
458
00:28:24,827 --> 00:28:29,344
The FBI had
an airplane over the sky
every daylight hour.
459
00:28:30,379 --> 00:28:32,931
They had vans following him.
460
00:28:32,965 --> 00:28:36,482
I got reports daily,
sometimes more than once a day
461
00:28:36,517 --> 00:28:38,655
of what he was doing,
where he was.
462
00:28:38,689 --> 00:28:40,620
It was getting
toward the weekend,
463
00:28:40,655 --> 00:28:43,241
and they were concerned
that he could kill
somebody else.
464
00:28:43,275 --> 00:28:45,965
And so that's how that
whole week got started.
465
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,965
It came together
in warp speed.
466
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,655
I've never seen anything
quite like that.
467
00:28:49,689 --> 00:28:52,827
We went out and interviewed
David's parents,
468
00:28:53,517 --> 00:28:55,000
and that interview confirmed
469
00:28:55,034 --> 00:28:57,275
he was, uh,
living with a woman
470
00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:58,551
by the name of Candy.
471
00:28:58,586 --> 00:29:02,344
She was a part-time bartender
in the San Francisco area.
472
00:29:02,379 --> 00:29:03,724
She'd already moved out,
473
00:29:03,758 --> 00:29:06,413
she left in April
of that year.
474
00:29:06,448 --> 00:29:08,931
I get a hold of Stoney,
we sit down with Candy,
475
00:29:09,620 --> 00:29:11,517
and was that an interview.
476
00:29:11,551 --> 00:29:12,827
Wow.
477
00:29:12,862 --> 00:29:15,517
Candy was, uh,
478
00:29:15,551 --> 00:29:18,344
a free spirit,
I think I'll use that term.
479
00:29:18,379 --> 00:29:21,379
We talked to her
about her relationship
with David,
480
00:29:21,413 --> 00:29:23,896
and, um, was he ever
aggressive or violent,
481
00:29:23,931 --> 00:29:26,862
and she only had
one occasion where he got
a little bit aggressive,
482
00:29:26,896 --> 00:29:29,310
and she got in his face
right away,
483
00:29:29,344 --> 00:29:30,241
and he backed right off.
484
00:29:31,793 --> 00:29:34,758
I said to her, "Did you
ever give him a present?"
485
00:29:34,793 --> 00:29:37,137
And she was, "No, I never
gave him a present,"
486
00:29:37,172 --> 00:29:40,000
but she says,
"He took something of mine.
487
00:29:40,034 --> 00:29:42,068
It was this yellow jacket
that said
488
00:29:42,103 --> 00:29:46,172
'Olympic beer drinking team',
uh, 'Billings, Montana'.
489
00:29:46,206 --> 00:29:48,379
It was a little large for me,
so he just took it.
490
00:29:48,413 --> 00:29:51,896
My boss who owned the bar,
he ordered 12 of 'em."
491
00:29:51,931 --> 00:29:54,241
And then I said, "Whatever
happened to that jacket?"
492
00:29:54,275 --> 00:29:57,413
And she said, "Oh, David
told me it was stolen out
of his car,"
493
00:29:57,448 --> 00:29:59,862
and Stoney and I are smiling
at each other, going,
494
00:30:00,551 --> 00:30:01,482
"Got it!
495
00:30:02,344 --> 00:30:03,689
Got it!"
496
00:30:03,724 --> 00:30:06,344
That was the connector
to put him at the crime scene
497
00:30:06,379 --> 00:30:09,172
wearing something unique
that was golden,
498
00:30:09,206 --> 00:30:10,482
no pun intended.
499
00:30:10,517 --> 00:30:12,241
Now we have our case.
500
00:30:12,275 --> 00:30:14,241
Authorities
in Northern California
501
00:30:14,275 --> 00:30:16,310
have arrested a suspect
in the so called
502
00:30:16,344 --> 00:30:18,034
"Trailside murder cases".
503
00:30:18,068 --> 00:30:20,724
David J. Carpenter has been
charged with one murder,
504
00:30:20,758 --> 00:30:22,482
and he may soon
be charged with more.
505
00:30:22,517 --> 00:30:24,172
There was no resistance.
506
00:30:24,206 --> 00:30:26,655
It was almost like he
expected, sooner or later,
507
00:30:26,689 --> 00:30:28,551
they were gonna be
knocking on his door.
508
00:30:28,586 --> 00:30:30,655
The arrest warrant
charges Carpenter
509
00:30:30,689 --> 00:30:32,344
with the March 29th
shooting murder
510
00:30:32,379 --> 00:30:34,310
of 20-year-old Ellen Hansen,
511
00:30:34,344 --> 00:30:36,310
and the attempted murder
of her companion,
512
00:30:36,344 --> 00:30:37,517
Steven Haertle.
513
00:30:38,620 --> 00:30:41,482
When we had arrested David,
514
00:30:42,206 --> 00:30:43,965
a line-up was done.
515
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,137
Steven keyed in on him
right away.
516
00:30:46,172 --> 00:30:49,482
"That's the man right there.
That's the guy."
517
00:30:49,517 --> 00:30:52,241
Sheriff Howenstein
describes the mood
of the department
518
00:30:52,275 --> 00:30:54,034
as one of elation,
519
00:30:54,068 --> 00:30:56,965
and now there is hope
that the mystery behind
this string of murders
520
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,172
that has terrified
and shocked the community
521
00:30:59,206 --> 00:31:00,482
has finally been solved.
522
00:31:00,517 --> 00:31:02,965
We were on the search
warrant team...
523
00:31:04,344 --> 00:31:06,448
...that went
to Carpenter's house.
524
00:31:06,482 --> 00:31:07,862
There was tons of maps.
525
00:31:07,896 --> 00:31:11,310
Marin, Tamalpais, Santa Cruz.
526
00:31:11,344 --> 00:31:13,620
Well, we didn't find
the things we were
looking for,
527
00:31:13,655 --> 00:31:15,551
the jacket and the firearms.
528
00:31:15,586 --> 00:31:19,137
I think that when he figured
the noose was getting tighter,
529
00:31:19,172 --> 00:31:20,413
he started getting
rid of the stuff.
530
00:31:20,448 --> 00:31:21,827
Where was this .38?
531
00:31:22,965 --> 00:31:24,862
Will we ever see that gun now?
532
00:31:24,896 --> 00:31:26,137
Where is it?
533
00:31:26,172 --> 00:31:28,413
It wasn't
an impossible hurdle,
534
00:31:28,448 --> 00:31:30,896
but it certainly
was a handicap.
535
00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:34,724
Fifty-one-year-old
David Joseph Carpenter
536
00:31:34,758 --> 00:31:36,896
was arraigned in Santa Cruz,
California.
537
00:31:36,931 --> 00:31:39,241
The printer, who has
a long criminal-record,
538
00:31:39,275 --> 00:31:42,379
suffers from a crippling
stutter, which was
painfully apparent.
539
00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:44,620
David Joseph Carpenter
is your true name?
540
00:31:49,068 --> 00:31:50,137
...correct.
541
00:31:55,793 --> 00:31:58,758
Nine days after
David Carpenter was arrested,
542
00:31:58,793 --> 00:32:01,310
Heather Scaggs' body
was finally found.
543
00:32:01,344 --> 00:32:04,827
Heather was
found by two hikers
544
00:32:04,862 --> 00:32:08,034
in the Big Basin State Park.
545
00:32:08,068 --> 00:32:10,000
Her body
was badly decomposed.
546
00:32:10,034 --> 00:32:12,275
She had been shot
with a .38-caliber weapon.
547
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:15,482
She was found raped
and with a gunshot
to her face.
548
00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:20,310
Carpenter got her
to do what he wanted.
549
00:32:20,344 --> 00:32:22,896
Heather didn't want to go
to the mountains to get
a fern,
550
00:32:22,931 --> 00:32:25,448
she just wanted to go
to Santa Cruz, get a car,
and come home.
551
00:32:26,482 --> 00:32:28,862
I wish there was a way to see
552
00:32:28,896 --> 00:32:32,275
what was going
through Heather's mind
553
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:35,172
when she got out of the car
to look for the fern.
554
00:32:35,206 --> 00:32:39,620
Is she noticing that there
are no ferns anywhere
in that area?
555
00:32:39,655 --> 00:32:43,862
Was she thinking, "Uh-oh,
this is not going the way
I thought it would?"
556
00:32:49,551 --> 00:32:53,448
To this day,
I hike extensively
in these mountains.
557
00:32:53,482 --> 00:32:56,275
I cannot see a fern
without thinking
of that young woman.
558
00:33:11,551 --> 00:33:13,689
Shane Williams robs a bank,
559
00:33:14,517 --> 00:33:15,551
and gets caught.
560
00:33:16,862 --> 00:33:19,620
So, now that, uh,
he's in federal custody,
561
00:33:19,655 --> 00:33:22,275
and he wants to see
if he can get his break.
562
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:24,379
He says,
"Tell you what, guys,
563
00:33:24,413 --> 00:33:26,034
let's play,
and let's make a deal."
564
00:33:26,068 --> 00:33:30,241
So, he tells them that
he knows where the gun is
565
00:33:30,275 --> 00:33:32,413
that the Trailside
Killer used.
566
00:33:32,448 --> 00:33:35,275
Shane said
that Carpenter volunteered
567
00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:37,206
to loan him a gun
for a bank robbery.
568
00:33:38,068 --> 00:33:39,275
so, Shane took him up on it.
569
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:41,689
David Carpenter's plan is,
570
00:33:41,724 --> 00:33:43,344
"Go rob a bank,
571
00:33:43,379 --> 00:33:46,034
you'll be shot and killed
or you'll be arrested,
572
00:33:46,068 --> 00:33:48,103
and there's the murder weapon,
573
00:33:48,137 --> 00:33:50,413
and you're
the Trailside Killer."
574
00:33:50,448 --> 00:33:51,689
He's not a dumb person.
575
00:33:52,517 --> 00:33:54,275
Pretty wily.
576
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:56,620
And then he
realizes he's been set up.
577
00:33:57,827 --> 00:34:00,000
And he takes that gun,
and he goes and hides it.
578
00:34:00,034 --> 00:34:02,103
So, Shane tells me
where the gun is,
579
00:34:02,689 --> 00:34:04,034
exactly where it is.
580
00:34:04,068 --> 00:34:06,724
It was at a lot
where a gas station
was being torn down,
581
00:34:06,758 --> 00:34:08,586
and he didn't know
the address,
582
00:34:08,620 --> 00:34:10,448
but he describes it perfectly,
583
00:34:10,482 --> 00:34:12,137
so, I hustle right
over to that area.
584
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,310
I start picking up asphalt,
585
00:34:14,344 --> 00:34:16,931
and there's newspaper
in a bundle,
586
00:34:16,965 --> 00:34:19,137
and there's the gun
in the newspaper.
587
00:34:19,172 --> 00:34:21,344
They sent it
over to the lab,
588
00:34:21,379 --> 00:34:24,000
and did the ballistics
and they matched.
589
00:34:27,344 --> 00:34:30,413
It really wasn't the matter
of so much of what he said,
590
00:34:30,448 --> 00:34:32,000
but how he said it.
591
00:34:36,862 --> 00:34:38,965
It just made me shudder.
592
00:34:50,724 --> 00:34:51,793
In May of '81,
593
00:34:51,827 --> 00:34:54,241
David Joseph Carpenter
was arrested and charged
594
00:34:54,275 --> 00:34:56,517
with the murder of two
women in Santa Cruz.
595
00:34:56,551 --> 00:34:57,896
Marin County then charged him
596
00:34:57,931 --> 00:35:00,172
with the murder
of five more victims.
597
00:35:00,206 --> 00:35:02,413
By the time that case
went to trial,
598
00:35:02,448 --> 00:35:06,137
it was, it was pretty much
a slam dunk.
599
00:35:06,172 --> 00:35:09,827
There was two
separate trials in two
separate venues.
600
00:35:09,862 --> 00:35:11,931
The trials were moved
out of the Bay area
601
00:35:11,965 --> 00:35:14,655
because of media publicity.
602
00:35:14,689 --> 00:35:17,758
Ended up costing the tax
payer between $3 million
and $5 million.
603
00:35:17,793 --> 00:35:19,965
And this was
a death-penalty case.
604
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,620
They wanted to be sure
they were going to get
this man.
605
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,965
In the first trial,
his attorney admitted
606
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,172
that Carpenter was guilty.
607
00:35:31,206 --> 00:35:33,655
He knew that there was
just too much evidence.
608
00:35:33,689 --> 00:35:36,103
His strategy was just to save
him from the death penalty.
609
00:35:36,137 --> 00:35:38,517
Haertle calmly
described the sequence
of events
610
00:35:38,551 --> 00:35:40,034
that preceded the attack.
611
00:35:40,068 --> 00:35:43,448
Steven Haertle
was the prosecution's
star witness.
612
00:35:43,482 --> 00:35:45,172
I heard two shots...
613
00:35:46,344 --> 00:35:49,034
...and didn't feel anything.
614
00:35:49,068 --> 00:35:54,206
And then I felt like
somebody hit my neck
with a sledgehammer.
615
00:35:54,241 --> 00:35:56,827
Not only was he one
of the only living witnesses
616
00:35:56,862 --> 00:35:58,793
who had been up close
to the killer,
617
00:35:58,827 --> 00:36:00,896
he was able to give
618
00:36:00,931 --> 00:36:03,413
very disturbing details.
619
00:36:03,448 --> 00:36:06,206
I remember waking up
lying on the ground.
620
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,517
What did you see?
621
00:36:09,551 --> 00:36:11,724
Ellen was
lying on the ground,
622
00:36:11,758 --> 00:36:14,413
and her head was
in a pool of blood.
623
00:36:14,448 --> 00:36:16,206
Steven Haertle who,
to this day,
624
00:36:16,241 --> 00:36:19,068
has been living with that
horror that he had
to experience.
625
00:36:19,103 --> 00:36:23,241
Is the man who you saw
here in this courtroom?
626
00:36:23,275 --> 00:36:24,586
Yes, he is.
627
00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:28,482
Would you point him
out towards all of us.
628
00:36:28,517 --> 00:36:31,206
It's that gentleman
sitting right there.
629
00:36:31,241 --> 00:36:32,931
-Are you point--
-In the,
in the brown sweater.
630
00:36:34,206 --> 00:36:35,862
In the glasses.
631
00:36:35,896 --> 00:36:39,241
The real nail in the coffin
was Steve being able to say,
632
00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:42,551
"He's the one who shot me
and shot Ellen."
633
00:36:42,586 --> 00:36:45,896
That's the man.
No doubt, no hesitation.
634
00:36:50,827 --> 00:36:52,344
The sixth day of July
635
00:36:52,379 --> 00:36:54,896
in the above entitled action,
find the defendant,
636
00:36:54,931 --> 00:36:58,137
David Joseph Carpenter,
guilty of the crime of murder.
637
00:36:58,172 --> 00:37:01,965
I must conclude with...
638
00:37:07,758 --> 00:37:09,862
Mothers of the two
Santa Cruz County victims
639
00:37:09,896 --> 00:37:11,482
were happy with the verdict.
640
00:37:11,517 --> 00:37:13,413
I think this is
a very fair panel,
641
00:37:13,448 --> 00:37:15,793
I think they've really
been serious about it.
642
00:37:15,827 --> 00:37:17,931
I think it was
a very good jury.
643
00:37:21,482 --> 00:37:23,448
Marin County now
are preparing a new trial
644
00:37:23,482 --> 00:37:24,655
for five murders.
645
00:37:26,275 --> 00:37:29,448
After his first trial,
when he got to death row,
646
00:37:29,482 --> 00:37:31,655
I picked up the phone
and I just called San Quentin.
647
00:37:31,689 --> 00:37:34,931
Elaine Corral snagged
the carpenter interview.
648
00:37:34,965 --> 00:37:39,482
He started talking
about how he was not given
a fair trial,
649
00:37:39,517 --> 00:37:42,275
that he was not
the Trailside Killer.
650
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:44,620
But it was when we
got to the words "Killer",
651
00:37:44,655 --> 00:37:48,655
he stuttered with such
a pronounced emphasis
652
00:37:49,413 --> 00:37:51,482
that it just made me shudder.
653
00:37:56,413 --> 00:38:00,413
To think what on Earth
would these victims have,
654
00:38:00,448 --> 00:38:02,655
have thought,
when I'm sitting at table,
655
00:38:02,689 --> 00:38:05,310
um, length away from him,
and I felt it.
656
00:38:12,896 --> 00:38:15,068
"I'm not
a k-k-k-k-killer."
657
00:38:15,103 --> 00:38:17,827
It really wasn't the matter
of so much of what he said,
658
00:38:17,862 --> 00:38:19,275
but how he said it.
659
00:38:26,655 --> 00:38:28,517
And then they had
trial number two.
660
00:38:30,655 --> 00:38:33,620
Carpenter got on the stand
in his own defense.
661
00:38:33,655 --> 00:38:34,689
He was
looking for sympathy.
662
00:38:35,724 --> 00:38:38,689
"Poor me,
poor beat up little child."
663
00:38:38,724 --> 00:38:41,068
There was nothing else
going for him.
664
00:38:41,103 --> 00:38:44,862
After I got my...
...Chevy station wagon,
665
00:38:44,896 --> 00:38:49,275
I began taking my father...
...shopping.
666
00:38:49,310 --> 00:38:53,586
He brought in calendars
and detailed receipts
667
00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:58,206
trying to say that he could
not have been in these places
at this time.
668
00:38:58,241 --> 00:39:01,758
But his only witnesses
that could corroborate
these things
669
00:39:01,793 --> 00:39:04,413
was his father
who had since died,
670
00:39:04,448 --> 00:39:08,034
his mother who was suffering
with Alzheimer's disease,
671
00:39:08,068 --> 00:39:11,758
and these characters
that he said he had
been in prison with
672
00:39:11,793 --> 00:39:14,241
that he only knew
by their nicknames.
673
00:39:14,275 --> 00:39:15,793
David always
thinks he smart enough
674
00:39:15,827 --> 00:39:18,344
that he can do whatever
he wants to and get away
with it.
675
00:39:25,793 --> 00:39:27,724
We, the jury,
in the above-entitled cause,
676
00:39:27,758 --> 00:39:29,551
determine that the penalty
shall be death.
677
00:39:30,586 --> 00:39:32,379
I felt very good
about the outcomes.
678
00:39:32,413 --> 00:39:34,793
Well,
it's rewarding to know
679
00:39:34,827 --> 00:39:37,551
that we were able
to successfully complete
the circle,
680
00:39:37,586 --> 00:39:38,862
and put him away.
681
00:39:38,896 --> 00:39:42,068
David Carpenter was
convicted of seven murders,
682
00:39:42,103 --> 00:39:45,724
and we know that there are
others that they couldn't
try him for.
683
00:39:54,758 --> 00:39:59,827
We were positive
he killed Schwarz and Kane,
684
00:39:59,862 --> 00:40:02,931
but because they're
different ammos,
685
00:40:02,965 --> 00:40:05,827
he was only tried
for those seven murders
686
00:40:05,862 --> 00:40:07,586
'cause the gun
tied them all together.
687
00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:10,862
Edda Kane was killed
with a .44-caliber weapon,
688
00:40:10,896 --> 00:40:14,413
and Barbera Schwartz
who had been stabbed to death
689
00:40:14,448 --> 00:40:16,689
could not be linked
to the .38 caliber,
690
00:40:16,724 --> 00:40:19,103
so, they couldn't
positively link him
691
00:40:19,137 --> 00:40:20,586
to the evidence they had.
692
00:40:23,827 --> 00:40:27,896
David Carpenter still
professes his innocence
to this day.
693
00:40:27,931 --> 00:40:31,241
I don't think
he wants to allow himself
to admit
694
00:40:31,275 --> 00:40:35,034
that he is the ugly,
disgusting,
695
00:40:35,068 --> 00:40:37,758
vile human being that he is.
696
00:40:41,068 --> 00:40:42,758
The hikers
are back in numbers,
697
00:40:42,793 --> 00:40:44,241
but for some who remember,
698
00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:46,931
hiking will never
be the same again.
699
00:40:46,965 --> 00:40:48,862
I've started
to hike again.
700
00:40:48,896 --> 00:40:50,172
-By yourself ever?
-No.
701
00:40:51,275 --> 00:40:53,000
No, not anymore.
702
00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:55,379
David Carpenter
decided to use
703
00:40:55,413 --> 00:40:58,413
the beauty of this area
as a hunting ground
704
00:40:58,448 --> 00:41:01,758
that changed how people
thought about that area
705
00:41:01,793 --> 00:41:03,896
for a long,
long time afterwards.
706
00:41:03,931 --> 00:41:07,172
It was hard to just
be in nature,
707
00:41:07,206 --> 00:41:08,758
and be at peace with it
708
00:41:08,793 --> 00:41:10,965
without thinking about
David Carpenter.
709
00:41:11,689 --> 00:41:13,000
This guy was a predator,
710
00:41:13,931 --> 00:41:16,103
and he hid it beautifully.
711
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,448
In 2010,
cold-case investigators
712
00:41:32,482 --> 00:41:34,758
use advanced DNA technology
713
00:41:34,793 --> 00:41:37,793
tying David Carpenter
to yet another victim,
714
00:41:37,827 --> 00:41:41,241
a 23-year-old woman
named Mary Frances Bennett.
715
00:41:41,275 --> 00:41:44,482
She was found stabbed
to death in San Francisco
in 1979.
716
00:41:45,275 --> 00:41:47,344
Carpenter, now in his 90s,
717
00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:51,241
is the oldest inmate still
on California's death row.
718
00:41:51,275 --> 00:41:54,862
California currently has
a moratorium on the death
penalty,
719
00:41:54,896 --> 00:41:57,000
so, it is unlikely he will
ever be put to death.
720
00:41:57,965 --> 00:42:00,241
I'm Donnie Wahlberg,
thanks for watching,
721
00:42:01,103 --> 00:42:02,000
good night.
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