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Welcome to Very Scary People,
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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The mountain trails
of Northern California
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have always been a refuge
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for those seeking
peace and tranquility.
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But from 1979 to 1981,
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this pristine setting
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became the backdrop
to a terrifying mystery.
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Women were being
targeted and killed
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as they hiked
the wilderness paths
in California parks.
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The cold-blooded attacks
stunned the community.
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Who was committing
these evil acts?
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This is part one
of "The Trailside Killer."
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Edda Kane
was a very athletic person.
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She loved to hike
the trails of Mount Tamalpais.
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Edda Kane
was 44 years old.
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She was
a Bank of America executive
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living in Mill Valley.
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She was known
as an avid hiker
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who hiked
Mount Tam regularly.
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Mount
Tamalpais is the highest peak
in Marin County.
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It's known as Mount Tam
to the locals.
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It's
a very popular destination
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throughout the week,
especially on the weekends.
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The mountain
overlooks the Golden Gate.
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On a day
that's a little bit cloudy,
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it's like looking out
on an ocean of clouds.
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I mean it's, it's beautiful.
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It's so peaceful,
it is a wonderful place to be.
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Edda Kane
had planned
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on a four-hour hike
on Mount Tam on her own.
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Her husband
was an older man,
20 years older.
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He was suffering
from arthritis in his knees.
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Very, very serious,
so he stayed home.
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When Edda
didn't return home
and it started to get dark,
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her husband called
the sheriff's department
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to report his wife missing.
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He pretty much assumed
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Edda Kane
had gotten on a wrong trail
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and gotten lost in the dark
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or had sprained an ankle
and just needed assistance.
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They, in the dark,
had a search party
looking for her.
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And it was unsuccessful.
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They tried again the next day.
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But it wasn't
until the next night
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that searchers found
the body of Edda Kane
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about 60 feet
off the main trail,
up a hill side.
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She was found completely nude
except for one sock.
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The killer
took everything but one sock.
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And that was strange.
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There was cash
and credit cards missing
from her belongings,
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but she still
was wearing her jewelry,
including her wedding ring.
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There was
no sexual assault.
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None at all.
It just made no sense.
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Edda was killed
with a .44 caliber gun
which was really loud.
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It was a big gun,
it made a big loud bang
and it had a big kick to it.
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To find a woman
who was so brutally murdered
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in this place
was just shocking.
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Nobody really knew
what to make of it.
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That was out of character
for Marin County.
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That's a high rent,
very, very good area.
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Marin County was
a place where people went
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to get away from crime
or the bustle of the city.
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It was pretty much
where you went to live
a boring, safe, happy life.
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That's a first
recorded homicide
on the mountain.
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It was a big deal.
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Who knew the murder
on the mountain?
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When I saw
that come across the news,
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I'm thinking to myself,
"This is just unbelievable,
what's going on."
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But it was just starting.
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He came to be known
as the Trailside Killer.
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His victims, usually women,
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were assaulted
on remote hiking trails
at Mount Tam in Marin County.
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If you mention
the Trailside case to anybody,
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they would
know it immediately.
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It was
the biggest news there was.
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This went on for years
with the trailside killer,
who was he?
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Are they gonna catch him soon?
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What's this all about?
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For a period
of roughly 22 months,
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that really destroyed
the desire of many
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in the Bay Area to wanna go
up in those mountains.
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This murder
made all the papers...
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It shook the visitors
that went to the mountains
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to hike
and enjoy peaceful times.
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It cast a shadow
over that mountain.
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For the first time
people stopped going.
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But gradually as time went on,
they began to come back again.
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Ask anybody
in the Bay Area,
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what's your favorite thing
about living here
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and nine times out of 10
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the answer will be
the outdoors.
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It's what belongs
to all of us.
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70%
of Marin County is parks.
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Either city, state, county
or federal park land.
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So it's really
the kind of country
everybody wants to visit.
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I've always thought
it's nature at its rawest.
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It's welcoming you.
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Mount Tamalpais
is like a holy place.
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The Indians
treated it that way.
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The gentle tribes
that clustered at the base
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all those years before
the gold hunters came,
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never ventured there.
It was a place of reverence,
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of danger even.
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Mount Tam,
it's one of the most
scenic parks
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you can come up with
in the Bay Area.
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Once you got into nature,
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you take a deep breath,
you get refreshed...
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Physically but also mentally.
Emotionally it was, like...
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I can take a rest here.
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That's nature.
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And you kind of
let your guard down.
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You kind of just let it be.
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You let yourself be.
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Barbara Schwartz
was an organic bread maker.
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This free spirit,
walking the mountain trails
with her dog.
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Barbara Schwartz
was 23 years old.
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She had just moved
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to Marin County
from Baltimore.
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She was a baker.
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She was described
as a tireless worker.
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She was said to work
14, 16 hours a day,
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six days a week.
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That day Barbara was probably
just looking for a getaway,
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like all of us are
when we hit that trail.
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She took off
to run on the trail.
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She was in no fear
out there.
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She ended up
resting in a clearing,
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a redwood grove,
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and she was sitting on a rock,
her dog was next to her
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and there was another hiker
just above this redwood grove
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and she saw a man emerge
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from behind
where Barbara was sitting...
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She heard
Barbara scream.
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She looked across
and saw him with a knife
making stabbing motions.
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Her dog
started barking frantically
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and the man
just continued to stab her.
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Now this lady
really has courage because
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instead of running away,
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she ran up the trail
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toward them
shouting to stop that.
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That stopped the suspect,
who panicked and ran.
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And the woman
ran off and called for help.
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But it was too late.
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Barbara had been stabbed
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multiple times
in the throat and the chest
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and she was pronounced dead.
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Barbara Schwartz's murder
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was very close to where
Edda Kane had been murdered.
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They found at the scene
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a pair of glasses
that the killer had lost.
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Heavy black frames.
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They began to check
with the little serial numbers
on the glasses.
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The frames
were tracked back
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to the California
correctional system.
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That was a clue.
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The prison people had no way
to track by prescription.
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We sent out flyers
to parole officers
all around the area
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to see
if they had a probationer,
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a parolee,
that had glasses like this.
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And we...
we came up empty-handed.
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Later, there was
an 11-inch knife found
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not far from where
Barbara's body was found.
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Two kids found it.
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And of course
they know about this
terrible knife murder.
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They know enough.
Don't touch the knife.
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There's a TV crew,
they pick it up.
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One of the best
clues is gone.
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The news crew
picked up the knife.
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It kind of contaminated
the evidence.
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We all thought that there's
too much coincidence here.
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Two murders
on the mountain
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in a relatively
short span of time.
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Even though
they're completely different,
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we had to kick
around the idea
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that there's
one person responsible.
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The police produced
a composite sketch
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based on the witness's
description of the man.
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A hiker
who had come across the killer
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gave the Sheriff,
under hypnosis,
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the first description
of the suspect.
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A white male
between 5'10" and 6',
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170 pounds
in his 30s or 40s,
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clean shaven with black hair.
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There was heavy shadows
over the trail from the trees
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so it was
kind of a darkened area.
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She saw him just for a moment
as she ran up there.
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He had, like,
a lumberjack shirt,
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it was green
and black plaid
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and slicked back hair,
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kind of a beak of a nose,
sharp nose.
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He's tall,
he's thin, he's young
and vigorous.
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She was some distance away
when she saw this image
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on which
they based their entire case
for the longest time.
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There were
a lot of people interviewed
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just because
of that composite.
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From my experience,
people that stab with knives,
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a good portion of the time
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they end up cutting themselves
in the process.
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We didn't
know it at the time,
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but the man went
to an emergency care place.
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It's about
30 miles away
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from where
the attack occurred.
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He had a deep cut
on his thumb and hand
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and he told a story
about having been
at a convenience store
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and that he had
been stabbed
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trying to thwart a hold-up.
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Because his injury happened
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during the commission
of a crime,
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the doctor was required
to report this to the police.
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The police did come
and interview him
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but they just took the report
and left.
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And they believed him.
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He had lost his glasses
and went to an optometrist
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to get a new pair
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which coincidentally
turned out to be
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the optometrist
for the victim.
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The most
overwhelming coincidence.
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It's beyond belief.
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He said, "I've got to
have these glasses now.
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I can't function
without them."
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We sent out information
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on that
particular pair of glasses.
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Had a picture of 'em
and an unusual prescription.
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They put out a bulletin
and they asked optometrists
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to be on the watch out
for someone that needed
this particular prescription.
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For some reason,
all these optometrists got it,
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but not Barbara's.
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Lot of the people
never got the flyer.
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It was a great idea
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but it didn't have
the follow through
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that they really needed
for it to succeed.
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It's frustrating
in a sense that we have
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a great many
investigative leads
to try to follow down.
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It's like looking for
the needle in the haystack.
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We've got a lot of hay
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but we haven't found
that needle yet.
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After those two first ones,
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nobody was going
on Mount Tam to hike.
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The sheriff's department
had a mounted posse
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as a volunteer group.
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Just checking people that
were suspicious and stuff.
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I think that the visualness
of our people on the mountain,
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the alertness
of private citizens
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will reduce the impetus
of someone to commit a crime.
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At this point,
no one knew anything.
None of the pieces fit.
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David Carpenter
was born in 1930
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and was raised
in San Francisco.
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00:13:42,344 --> 00:13:46,448
David had this
crippling stutter.
250
00:13:46,482 --> 00:13:50,620
He's got an alcoholic father,
an abusive mom...
251
00:13:50,655 --> 00:13:53,275
She would just
beat the heck out of him.
252
00:13:53,310 --> 00:13:55,586
He would come to school
just covered with bruises.
253
00:14:10,034 --> 00:14:11,551
He was
wetting the bed,
254
00:14:11,586 --> 00:14:14,931
he stuttered, he got bullied
by the other kids
255
00:14:14,965 --> 00:14:17,517
so he then would
take that out on younger kids.
256
00:14:18,620 --> 00:14:20,551
At the age of 14,
he was committed
257
00:14:20,586 --> 00:14:24,896
to the Napa State Hospital
for sexual offences.
258
00:14:24,931 --> 00:14:27,413
We don't have details of that
because he was a minor
259
00:14:27,448 --> 00:14:30,862
and because that is a record
that they keep sealed.
260
00:14:31,758 --> 00:14:33,172
By the time
he was 17,
261
00:14:33,206 --> 00:14:34,689
he was already charged
262
00:14:34,724 --> 00:14:37,103
with molesting
a three-year-old girl.
263
00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:40,379
At that point,
he was sent to
the California Youth Authority
264
00:14:40,413 --> 00:14:43,517
where he would remain
until the age of 18.
265
00:14:43,551 --> 00:14:46,413
And when he
aged out at 18,
266
00:14:46,448 --> 00:14:49,689
they put him in
California State Hospital
267
00:14:49,724 --> 00:14:53,862
for the mentally ill
for an evaluation.
268
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He gets married
in 1955 for the first time
269
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to Ellen who's aged 19.
270
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They have three kids.
271
00:15:02,586 --> 00:15:04,482
The marriage had one aspect
272
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that made it
impossible to succeed.
273
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He demanded sex
three times a night.
274
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Later the doctor said this man
had an overwhelming desire,
275
00:15:15,620 --> 00:15:16,965
but it couldn't stay
bottled up.
276
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It had to come out.
277
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There's a woman that works
278
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in the same office,
an advertising agency,
279
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where he gets a job
delivering office mail.
280
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In 1960,
Lois DeAndrade
was in her early 30s
281
00:15:35,103 --> 00:15:38,620
and she was acquainted with
David Carpenter and his wife.
282
00:15:39,413 --> 00:15:42,482
Lois' daughter is Lisa Rinna
283
00:15:42,517 --> 00:15:47,931
who was a actress
most well known
for her roles on Melrose Place
284
00:15:47,965 --> 00:15:50,034
andThe Real Housewives.
285
00:15:54,379 --> 00:15:57,551
Lois had been
standing at a bus stop
and she sees a car.
286
00:15:58,655 --> 00:16:02,344
It turns out
it's David Carpenter
287
00:16:02,379 --> 00:16:04,206
and he's offering her a ride.
288
00:16:04,241 --> 00:16:05,793
"How did you find me?"
she says.
289
00:16:05,827 --> 00:16:07,275
"I just drove
around and around.
290
00:16:07,310 --> 00:16:09,172
I knew you lived
around here somewhere.
291
00:16:09,206 --> 00:16:12,724
Come see the new baby.
Come see the wife."
292
00:16:12,758 --> 00:16:15,000
"Um, no.
I've got to get to work."
293
00:16:15,034 --> 00:16:16,551
"I'll drive you to work."
294
00:16:16,586 --> 00:16:18,689
He said, "You know,
she'd really love to see you.
295
00:16:18,724 --> 00:16:19,896
You won't be late."
296
00:16:19,931 --> 00:16:22,137
So reluctantly
she agreed to go with him.
297
00:16:23,896 --> 00:16:27,896
But he said that his wife
was staying with a friend
at the Presidio.
298
00:16:27,931 --> 00:16:30,896
The Presidio,
the oldest military base
in San Francisco.
299
00:16:31,827 --> 00:16:34,517
He pretends to be lost.
300
00:16:34,551 --> 00:16:35,689
Goes around and around.
301
00:16:38,965 --> 00:16:40,551
And they get
deeper into an area
302
00:16:40,586 --> 00:16:43,206
sort of a wooded area,
where other people aren't.
303
00:16:44,862 --> 00:16:49,310
And she said,
"All of the sudden
he became very strange."
304
00:16:51,068 --> 00:16:53,517
He got very quiet.
305
00:16:53,551 --> 00:16:56,620
He seemed to have
this intense look on his face.
306
00:16:56,655 --> 00:16:59,206
Now she's getting
anxious and panicking.
307
00:16:59,241 --> 00:17:03,172
And she says, "I really
gotta..." You know, she gets
out, tries to get out.
308
00:17:03,206 --> 00:17:04,551
At this point Lois,
309
00:17:04,586 --> 00:17:06,034
she reaches
for the door handle
310
00:17:06,068 --> 00:17:08,448
and starts
to run out of the car.
311
00:17:08,482 --> 00:17:11,379
He takes off after her
and drags her back.
312
00:17:13,241 --> 00:17:15,068
He's reached
into the glove compartment,
313
00:17:15,103 --> 00:17:19,068
out comes ropes and a knife!
314
00:17:20,034 --> 00:17:23,241
And out comes a hammer.
315
00:17:23,275 --> 00:17:26,551
She says,
"You're my friend David.
What's wrong with you?"
316
00:17:26,586 --> 00:17:30,206
And he says,
"I've got this quirk.
317
00:17:30,241 --> 00:17:32,931
I've gotta have sex."
318
00:17:32,965 --> 00:17:36,689
She notices a movement
out of the corner of her eye
319
00:17:36,724 --> 00:17:39,448
and there's
a military police vehicle
320
00:17:40,137 --> 00:17:42,034
that's driving in the road.
321
00:17:43,034 --> 00:17:46,103
Just as the officer
pulls near the car,
322
00:17:46,137 --> 00:17:47,655
Lois is able to break free
323
00:17:47,689 --> 00:17:49,344
and starts running.
324
00:17:49,379 --> 00:17:51,896
But he's after her.
He's on her.
325
00:17:51,931 --> 00:17:53,793
He hits Lois on the head.
326
00:17:54,586 --> 00:17:56,275
She falls to the ground.
327
00:17:56,310 --> 00:18:00,586
There's a military policeman.
His name is Jewell Hicks.
328
00:18:00,620 --> 00:18:03,000
And he can't really see
what's going on.
329
00:18:03,034 --> 00:18:04,896
Lois is down.
330
00:18:04,931 --> 00:18:06,896
She's being beaten
with a hammer
331
00:18:06,931 --> 00:18:09,172
over and over and over.
332
00:18:09,206 --> 00:18:12,068
But the next thing,
out comes something
from Carpenter's pocket.
333
00:18:13,310 --> 00:18:17,827
Carpenter has a pen that
fires a gas-operated pellet.
334
00:18:17,862 --> 00:18:20,068
And he shoots at the officer.
335
00:18:20,103 --> 00:18:21,862
Just grazes him in the face.
336
00:18:21,896 --> 00:18:25,689
But then the officer
shoots back at Carpenter
337
00:18:25,724 --> 00:18:28,137
and hits him
in the leg and the stomach.
338
00:18:31,793 --> 00:18:35,137
And he's
now taken into custody.
339
00:18:35,172 --> 00:18:37,344
He did
tremendous damage to Lois.
340
00:18:37,379 --> 00:18:41,344
They had to reconstruct bones
and have brain operation.
341
00:18:42,724 --> 00:18:45,655
I should not even be here.
You shouldn't even be here.
342
00:18:45,689 --> 00:18:48,275
I know.
343
00:18:48,310 --> 00:18:51,448
Lois knew
that Carpenter had
this persistent stutter,
344
00:18:51,482 --> 00:18:54,068
but what she noticed
that was odd
345
00:18:54,103 --> 00:18:57,517
was as soon as
he started the attack on her,
346
00:18:58,482 --> 00:18:59,827
he didn't stutter at all.
347
00:18:59,862 --> 00:19:02,551
It was almost
like it calmed him.
348
00:19:02,586 --> 00:19:06,758
He was charged
with assault and kidnapping
349
00:19:06,793 --> 00:19:10,482
on a military base
which is a federal crime.
350
00:19:10,517 --> 00:19:13,862
He is sentenced to 14 years.
351
00:19:13,896 --> 00:19:15,827
And what happens
to his marriage?
352
00:19:15,862 --> 00:19:17,482
Instant divorce.
353
00:19:17,517 --> 00:19:19,758
And he's gonna be gone
for a long, long time.
354
00:19:19,793 --> 00:19:23,586
But in the end
it was not a full 14 years.
355
00:19:23,620 --> 00:19:25,551
He keeps
chipping away at this.
356
00:19:25,586 --> 00:19:27,137
He knew
how to work the system.
357
00:19:34,448 --> 00:19:36,862
The psychologist
who examined Carpenter
358
00:19:36,896 --> 00:19:38,724
right as he was
being released,
359
00:19:38,758 --> 00:19:43,034
said that whenever this man's
under a significant stress,
360
00:19:43,068 --> 00:19:46,655
the only way
for him to relieve his stress
is to rape the nearest female.
361
00:19:51,862 --> 00:19:54,068
David Carpenter
goes on a crime spree.
362
00:19:55,275 --> 00:20:00,068
David was raping
and burglarizing homes
363
00:20:00,103 --> 00:20:04,034
and kidnapping people
and stealing cars...
364
00:20:04,068 --> 00:20:06,344
Total of five women
were victimized.
365
00:20:06,379 --> 00:20:09,724
He goes again to prison
for another seven years.
366
00:20:09,758 --> 00:20:11,000
At this point,
you have
367
00:20:11,034 --> 00:20:16,379
not only
a previous horrid crime
on a woman in 1960,
368
00:20:16,413 --> 00:20:19,379
you had a second spree
of sex crimes.
369
00:20:19,413 --> 00:20:21,551
There should have been
alarm bells going off.
370
00:20:22,862 --> 00:20:25,206
He's transferred
to Vacaville State Prison
371
00:20:25,241 --> 00:20:27,655
for more mental evaluation.
372
00:20:27,689 --> 00:20:29,551
He's being counselled
about sexual problems.
373
00:20:29,586 --> 00:20:30,827
He got help
with his stutter...
374
00:20:32,758 --> 00:20:34,413
He's able
to convince his therapist
375
00:20:34,448 --> 00:20:36,896
that he no longer
has hostility towards women.
376
00:20:37,965 --> 00:20:40,655
After he was paroled
from the state prison,
377
00:20:40,689 --> 00:20:43,275
he was still facing charges
378
00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:49,896
of violating his parole
from the original 1960
federal conviction.
379
00:20:49,931 --> 00:20:53,172
So he was then transferred
to a federal prison
380
00:20:53,206 --> 00:20:56,482
to serve out that portion
of the sentence.
381
00:20:56,517 --> 00:20:59,931
And he got out
of federal prison in 1979.
382
00:20:59,965 --> 00:21:03,620
Because he
actually was paroled
from the federal prison,
383
00:21:03,655 --> 00:21:05,551
not the state program.
384
00:21:05,586 --> 00:21:08,241
He slipped
through the cracks
of tracking him.
385
00:21:08,275 --> 00:21:12,448
There were 58,000 people
I believe, on the state
sex offender registry.
386
00:21:12,482 --> 00:21:14,551
And Carpenter's name
was not on that list.
387
00:21:17,344 --> 00:21:19,310
When Carpenter
was released,
388
00:21:19,344 --> 00:21:21,275
it was not really
your standard parole.
389
00:21:22,827 --> 00:21:25,965
He's paroled
to a halfway house
in San Francisco.
390
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:27,896
He could pretty much come
and go as he pleased.
391
00:21:29,689 --> 00:21:33,586
You're allowed
to live a pretty ordinary
life in lot of ways.
392
00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:37,275
One of the first
things he does is he decides
to join the Sierra Club.
393
00:21:37,310 --> 00:21:41,206
And he starts going on hikes
with the Sierra Club members.
394
00:21:41,241 --> 00:21:44,586
And Edda Kane was found dead
right around this time.
395
00:21:50,413 --> 00:21:52,862
He learned
from the prior two incidences
396
00:21:52,896 --> 00:21:55,068
where he kidnapped
and raped women.
397
00:21:55,103 --> 00:21:57,482
Kill your victim.
398
00:21:57,517 --> 00:21:59,482
Chances of you getting caught
are a lot less.
399
00:22:00,172 --> 00:22:02,172
And that's what he did.
400
00:22:02,206 --> 00:22:04,379
These mistakes,
they taught him something.
401
00:22:05,793 --> 00:22:07,655
Don't leave any witnesses.
402
00:22:25,034 --> 00:22:27,862
Welcome back
to Very Scary People.
403
00:22:27,896 --> 00:22:31,344
After his release from prison
in May of 1979,
404
00:22:31,379 --> 00:22:33,931
David Carpenter spent
three months
in a halfway house
405
00:22:33,965 --> 00:22:36,413
known as Reality House West.
406
00:22:36,448 --> 00:22:39,172
Then he moved back in
with his elderly parents
in San Francisco.
407
00:22:40,103 --> 00:22:42,344
Carpenter
had everyone convinced
408
00:22:42,379 --> 00:22:43,758
that he had turned
his life around.
409
00:22:44,517 --> 00:22:46,241
But the truth was,
410
00:22:46,275 --> 00:22:47,517
he was just getting started.
411
00:22:52,448 --> 00:22:54,068
When he was released
from Reality House,
412
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,482
that's when
I assumed authority.
413
00:22:57,517 --> 00:22:58,931
He was assigned to me.
414
00:22:58,965 --> 00:23:00,482
He had
a pretty thick file
415
00:23:00,517 --> 00:23:04,034
because it had been documented
for the Presidio case,
416
00:23:04,068 --> 00:23:06,034
but not much after that.
417
00:23:06,068 --> 00:23:08,137
There was
a juvenile record
418
00:23:08,172 --> 00:23:12,000
and there was some
sexual stuff in it.
419
00:23:12,034 --> 00:23:14,482
But no details
of what the offences were.
420
00:23:15,517 --> 00:23:20,379
He was a really
non-descript beige kinda guy
421
00:23:20,413 --> 00:23:22,000
with a terrible stutter.
422
00:23:22,862 --> 00:23:25,103
He's not somebody
you noticed.
423
00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:28,517
He came across
as somebody who was just
sort of a bumbling guy.
424
00:23:29,413 --> 00:23:31,241
But because of his priors,
425
00:23:31,275 --> 00:23:33,862
he was high supervision,
so I had to see him
once a month.
426
00:23:33,896 --> 00:23:36,034
But I saw him
a lot more than that.
427
00:23:36,068 --> 00:23:38,724
Now, some of these meetings,
he initiated.
428
00:23:38,758 --> 00:23:42,137
Some I initiated by saying,
"David, it's time."
429
00:23:42,172 --> 00:23:44,689
And he never missed
a meeting.
430
00:23:46,275 --> 00:23:49,379
When he first gets
out of prison, he gets a job
431
00:23:49,413 --> 00:23:51,655
with a company called
Gems of the Golden West.
432
00:23:52,689 --> 00:23:55,172
What they do is,
they distribute and sell
433
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,586
souvenir items.
434
00:23:57,620 --> 00:24:01,965
Anything from keys chains
to, you know, buttons
and things like that.
435
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,034
His concern
from early on was his future.
436
00:24:06,448 --> 00:24:09,413
Because here
he was in his early 50s.
437
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:11,896
He had no social security,
438
00:24:11,931 --> 00:24:13,448
he had no retirement,
439
00:24:13,482 --> 00:24:14,931
he had no skills.
440
00:24:14,965 --> 00:24:16,965
I never had a problem
with this guy.
441
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,793
Unlike many
of the other people
I supervised.
442
00:24:28,862 --> 00:24:32,482
The amphitheater
on Mt. Tam, it's a clearing
443
00:24:32,517 --> 00:24:34,827
that's ringed
by redwood trees.
444
00:24:34,862 --> 00:24:36,965
It was really a place
where people visited
445
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:38,827
all during the year,
446
00:24:39,793 --> 00:24:41,620
have picnics up there.
447
00:24:41,655 --> 00:24:43,586
A wonderful
mountain home theater
448
00:24:43,620 --> 00:24:45,413
where plays were held.
449
00:24:45,448 --> 00:24:48,551
And it had
these big stone seats
that you could sit on
450
00:24:48,586 --> 00:24:50,413
and from there
you had a view.
451
00:24:53,275 --> 00:24:55,068
Anne Alderson was 26.
452
00:24:55,103 --> 00:24:56,793
She was an animal scientist.
453
00:24:57,689 --> 00:24:59,827
Born and raised
in Marin County.
454
00:24:59,862 --> 00:25:04,103
She had just gotten back
from some time
with the Peace Corps.
455
00:25:04,137 --> 00:25:07,206
And she was just visiting
to see her family.
456
00:25:07,241 --> 00:25:10,620
On this day
she decided to go visit
her grandmother
457
00:25:10,655 --> 00:25:13,482
who was
in a convalescent hospital.
458
00:25:13,517 --> 00:25:16,137
On her way home,
she realized
it was almost sunset.
459
00:25:16,172 --> 00:25:19,206
And she decided that
she was gonna
make a quick stop
460
00:25:19,241 --> 00:25:21,482
before heading back home
for dinner.
461
00:25:21,517 --> 00:25:24,172
She wanted to go
and sit in her favorite spot
462
00:25:24,206 --> 00:25:25,448
and do this meditation.
463
00:25:29,689 --> 00:25:31,482
She had
hiking clothes in the car,
464
00:25:32,689 --> 00:25:35,551
but she still had
her street clothes on.
465
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,172
Anne was seen
by a jogger
466
00:25:39,206 --> 00:25:43,379
who remembered
the young blonde woman
sitting on the stone seat,
467
00:25:43,413 --> 00:25:45,896
facing the sunset
with her eyes closed.
468
00:25:48,206 --> 00:25:50,275
He had thought
about warning her.
469
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:52,310
About the attacks
on the mountain
470
00:25:52,344 --> 00:25:54,310
'cause he saw her
sitting alone
471
00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,827
and she looked
pretty vulnerable sitting
there with her eyes closed.
472
00:25:57,586 --> 00:25:59,034
But he decided against it.
473
00:25:59,068 --> 00:26:01,379
He didn't want to intrude
on her peace.
474
00:26:03,551 --> 00:26:04,758
And of course,
she vanishes.
475
00:26:07,965 --> 00:26:11,034
Then the next thing you know,
they're searching.
476
00:26:11,068 --> 00:26:13,620
It was two days
before Anne's body
was discovered.
477
00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:19,103
She was found about
a quarter mile up
a steep craggy slope
478
00:26:19,137 --> 00:26:20,344
from the amphitheater.
479
00:26:20,931 --> 00:26:22,758
She was fully dressed.
480
00:26:22,793 --> 00:26:25,827
They found her
propped up against
a grey rock.
481
00:26:25,862 --> 00:26:27,620
She'd been shot in the head.
482
00:26:27,655 --> 00:26:29,896
She was shot
on the side of the temple.
483
00:26:31,379 --> 00:26:35,379
The investigators
determined that she had been
484
00:26:35,413 --> 00:26:38,034
sexually assaulted
and then redressed.
485
00:26:38,068 --> 00:26:41,551
She's one half mile
from where Edda Kane
was murdered.
486
00:26:45,827 --> 00:26:51,241
That was
the first time we had
a homicide with a .38 caliber.
487
00:26:51,275 --> 00:26:54,172
The other gun that had been
used on Edda Kane
was a .44 caliber.
488
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,965
Normally, a person wouldn't
use both kinds of guns.
489
00:27:00,103 --> 00:27:02,275
The .44 was too much,
490
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:04,068
the knife wasn't working out,
491
00:27:04,103 --> 00:27:05,482
went to the .38.
492
00:27:05,517 --> 00:27:07,068
.38 fired in the woods...
493
00:27:08,103 --> 00:27:09,689
...it's not that loud.
494
00:27:09,724 --> 00:27:12,482
It's pretty easy
to conceal that.
495
00:27:12,517 --> 00:27:14,793
He was developing
his technique.
496
00:27:14,827 --> 00:27:16,655
He learned
from every mistake.
497
00:27:21,517 --> 00:27:23,586
Investigators
determined that
all of the murders
498
00:27:23,620 --> 00:27:25,275
had occurred on a weekend,
499
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:26,896
or it was on a holiday,
500
00:27:26,931 --> 00:27:28,689
like Columbus Day.
501
00:27:28,724 --> 00:27:32,103
And of course the suggestion
is that this man had a job,
502
00:27:32,137 --> 00:27:34,310
but when he had a holiday,
503
00:27:34,344 --> 00:27:36,793
he was able to go
and do his thing.
504
00:27:38,310 --> 00:27:40,000
Rangers
and the sheriff's department
505
00:27:40,034 --> 00:27:43,827
closed Mt. Tam State Park
to comb the trails for clues.
506
00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:46,931
The Marin officers,
they were stressed.
507
00:27:46,965 --> 00:27:48,965
They had
very little manpower.
508
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,827
But, uh, I think
at some point,
509
00:27:51,862 --> 00:27:54,862
they actually frightened
the Trailside Killer.
510
00:27:54,896 --> 00:27:57,827
And he left Mt. Tam.
He went somewhere else
511
00:27:58,862 --> 00:28:01,034
where he wasn't say, so hot.
512
00:28:17,758 --> 00:28:22,206
I would say where Mt. Tam
is your scenic beauty,
513
00:28:22,241 --> 00:28:25,689
Point Reyes
is your rugged beauty.
514
00:28:25,724 --> 00:28:30,000
If you're going to Mt. Tam
you simply have
to stay on Highway 1
515
00:28:30,551 --> 00:28:32,068
and then keep on going
516
00:28:32,103 --> 00:28:33,241
to Point Reyes.
517
00:28:33,275 --> 00:28:36,482
It's another
20 to 30 minute drive.
518
00:28:36,517 --> 00:28:38,482
It's a very scenic road
519
00:28:38,517 --> 00:28:41,482
traveled by people
all the time
just for the view.
520
00:28:41,517 --> 00:28:44,724
They received
two million visitors
that year.
521
00:28:44,758 --> 00:28:48,724
This was no
remote destination,
this was very popular.
522
00:28:48,758 --> 00:28:50,551
The ocean
is right there.
523
00:28:50,586 --> 00:28:53,034
And that's the fun part
about getting up there.
524
00:28:53,068 --> 00:28:55,827
You can see all that.
525
00:28:55,862 --> 00:29:00,586
Puts you in another spot
where you wonder, "Who am I
on this place called earth?"
526
00:29:07,965 --> 00:29:09,896
It was just a gorgeous day.
527
00:29:09,931 --> 00:29:12,275
It was one of the best days
you could ever want.
528
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:14,310
It was one of those days
where you could see forever.
529
00:29:16,793 --> 00:29:20,310
Diane O'Connell
was a 22-year-old student.
530
00:29:20,344 --> 00:29:23,206
She had just graduated
from Cornell.
531
00:29:23,241 --> 00:29:25,965
And she was visiting friends
in Oakland
532
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:30,413
when they decided to go
on a Thanksgiving week hike.
533
00:29:30,448 --> 00:29:33,103
Diane O'Connell
was hiking
with two of her friends
534
00:29:33,137 --> 00:29:35,724
on the Sky Trail
at Point Reyes.
535
00:29:35,758 --> 00:29:38,137
But they
weren't hiking together.
536
00:29:38,172 --> 00:29:42,551
They were hiking
about 100 yards apart
in a single file.
537
00:29:42,586 --> 00:29:46,000
The Sky Trail has these
really narrow switchbacks.
538
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,379
So one of her friends
was in the lead,
539
00:29:49,413 --> 00:29:51,379
Diane was
in the middle position
540
00:29:51,413 --> 00:29:54,034
and then the third woman
brought up the rear.
541
00:29:55,068 --> 00:29:56,793
They couldn't
really see each other,
542
00:29:56,827 --> 00:29:59,379
but they had planned
to meet up at the end.
543
00:29:59,413 --> 00:30:04,448
One of Diane's friends
encountered this man
in the bushes.
544
00:30:06,689 --> 00:30:10,413
And her first thought
was that maybe he was
urinating in the bushes,
545
00:30:10,448 --> 00:30:12,793
which she found very odd.
546
00:30:12,827 --> 00:30:16,068
And she quickly
got away from him
547
00:30:16,551 --> 00:30:17,931
and kept going.
548
00:30:17,965 --> 00:30:19,724
When they got
to the trailhead,
549
00:30:19,758 --> 00:30:22,068
the first girl got there
first of course.
550
00:30:22,103 --> 00:30:25,206
Diane was in the middle
so she should have
gotten there second.
551
00:30:25,241 --> 00:30:27,931
But instead the friend
who was in third position
552
00:30:27,965 --> 00:30:30,206
reached the trailhead
before Diane.
553
00:30:31,068 --> 00:30:32,241
"Where's Diane?"
554
00:30:33,241 --> 00:30:34,482
"She's not here."
555
00:30:34,517 --> 00:30:36,758
"Well, you must've
passed her."
556
00:30:36,793 --> 00:30:39,068
They go back looking for her.
557
00:30:39,103 --> 00:30:42,068
They reported her missing
to the park ranger
about 5:00 p.m.
558
00:30:44,931 --> 00:30:49,448
Also on the trail that day
was a 25-year-old woman
named Shauna May.
559
00:30:49,482 --> 00:30:52,068
And she was walking
in the opposite direction
560
00:30:52,103 --> 00:30:57,448
of Diane and her friends.
So she would have passed
the trio of hikers.
561
00:30:57,482 --> 00:31:01,793
Shauna was also to meet
a friend at the end
of the trailhead
562
00:31:01,827 --> 00:31:03,103
when she finished her hike.
563
00:31:06,862 --> 00:31:09,793
So now park rangers
were searching for two women
who had gone missing.
564
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,482
I was at home
and I got paged.
565
00:31:15,517 --> 00:31:18,827
So I called back
and they told me we've got
these two missing girls
566
00:31:18,862 --> 00:31:20,000
at Point Reyes.
567
00:31:20,034 --> 00:31:23,034
And we're gonna call out
all the search teams.
568
00:31:23,068 --> 00:31:26,310
The next morning
when I arrived
at that parking lot,
569
00:31:26,344 --> 00:31:28,413
I could hardly find
a parking place.
570
00:31:28,448 --> 00:31:31,689
they had a search
and rescue group, the rangers
had called them out.
571
00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:33,965
We had 50 people or more
572
00:31:34,965 --> 00:31:37,000
going through
all those trails.
573
00:31:37,034 --> 00:31:38,379
We were given
a briefing.
574
00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:41,275
We were told as much as
they could tell us,
575
00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:44,896
that they knew
about where were they
on this trail.
576
00:31:44,931 --> 00:31:49,482
We wanted to get out there
and get it done,
you know, save them.
577
00:31:49,517 --> 00:31:52,310
Everyone knows
time is of the essence.
578
00:31:53,482 --> 00:31:56,896
The connection
to the Marin County killings
579
00:31:56,931 --> 00:32:00,000
wasn't in my mind.
I mean, that was...
that's a different place,
580
00:32:00,034 --> 00:32:01,586
millions of people over there.
581
00:32:02,586 --> 00:32:05,344
This was understandably
easy to get lost.
582
00:32:06,586 --> 00:32:08,344
I figured we'd find them
pretty quickly.
583
00:32:09,137 --> 00:32:11,448
So we divided up,
584
00:32:11,482 --> 00:32:14,000
and we did what was called
a hasty search.
585
00:32:14,034 --> 00:32:16,862
The trick is
to move the line
586
00:32:16,896 --> 00:32:21,068
at the same time more or less.
I walked about
587
00:32:21,103 --> 00:32:23,034
maybe 15 minutes
at the most.
588
00:32:23,068 --> 00:32:27,620
And, uh, I just saw
a strip of white
pretty far off.
589
00:32:28,379 --> 00:32:29,965
And I said,
590
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,206
"Oh, that's something. I mean,
maybe that's some litter
or something like that."
591
00:32:33,241 --> 00:32:37,206
You know, so I went closer
and closer and closer
and closer.
592
00:32:37,241 --> 00:32:40,862
And it was off the trail,
50 yards maybe.
593
00:32:40,896 --> 00:32:44,379
And it was the,
uh, the edge
of these tennis shoes.
594
00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:48,724
I got close enough,
I saw it and smelt it.
595
00:32:48,758 --> 00:32:51,000
Two people
are dead, down.
596
00:32:51,724 --> 00:32:53,344
I flagged it really quickly,
597
00:32:54,379 --> 00:32:55,862
ran to my buddy
598
00:32:56,689 --> 00:32:58,241
and called it in.
599
00:32:58,275 --> 00:33:00,137
I said, "Yeah, two people.
600
00:33:01,137 --> 00:33:02,793
And they're not the ones
we're looking for."
601
00:33:04,482 --> 00:33:05,413
They were dead
602
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,275
for a long time.
603
00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:09,620
They were decomposed
pretty badly.
604
00:33:10,482 --> 00:33:11,931
This was a crime.
605
00:33:12,827 --> 00:33:15,586
It looked like
they were executed.
606
00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:18,931
The only thing that I could
tell was that size wise
607
00:33:19,931 --> 00:33:22,827
looked like
it was a male and female.
608
00:33:22,862 --> 00:33:24,586
I didn't see
any backpacks around.
609
00:33:25,689 --> 00:33:27,344
I didn't see any other stuff.
610
00:33:28,137 --> 00:33:30,172
Who did this? Why?
611
00:33:30,206 --> 00:33:33,275
It stunned everybody
because they weren't
even aware
612
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:35,482
that these two were missing.
613
00:33:35,517 --> 00:33:37,620
The coroner
released the names
of the couple.
614
00:33:37,655 --> 00:33:40,689
18-year-old Cynthia Moreland
of Cotati, California,
615
00:33:40,724 --> 00:33:42,758
and 19-year-old
Richard Stowers,
616
00:33:42,793 --> 00:33:45,448
a coastguardsman stationed
in Marin County.
617
00:33:45,482 --> 00:33:50,206
They left for the park
on October 11th and were never
seen alive again.
618
00:33:50,241 --> 00:33:54,034
This couple had been reported
missing by their families
six weeks earlier.
619
00:33:54,068 --> 00:33:56,482
They were killed
a couple of days
before Anne Alderson.
620
00:33:58,689 --> 00:34:02,586
Meanwhile there
was some activity happening
down below the same trail.
621
00:34:04,275 --> 00:34:05,551
They discovered the bodies.
622
00:34:07,413 --> 00:34:09,000
Fresh bodies.
623
00:34:09,034 --> 00:34:11,344
Shauna May
and Diane O'Connell
624
00:34:12,206 --> 00:34:13,344
were shot.
625
00:34:13,379 --> 00:34:15,482
That one to me was probably
one of the most,
626
00:34:16,896 --> 00:34:18,379
powerful crime scenes.
627
00:34:19,344 --> 00:34:21,000
You realize, here's
these two women
628
00:34:21,827 --> 00:34:24,206
probably one was captured
629
00:34:24,241 --> 00:34:28,689
and the other one
walks into it
and gets taken prisoner.
630
00:34:28,724 --> 00:34:31,172
Shauna May
just happened on the scene,
631
00:34:31,206 --> 00:34:35,482
probably maybe heard
O'Connell scream
and went to her assistance.
632
00:34:35,517 --> 00:34:37,344
And she became
the second victim.
633
00:34:41,034 --> 00:34:46,068
The two women were found nude,
side by side, face down.
634
00:34:46,103 --> 00:34:49,034
Their clothes
were in a little pile.
635
00:34:49,068 --> 00:34:52,068
We believe
that he strangled O'Connell
636
00:34:52,724 --> 00:34:54,000
with a wire.
637
00:34:55,689 --> 00:34:58,517
He let May watch him do this.
638
00:34:59,551 --> 00:35:02,241
And then he raped May
639
00:35:03,896 --> 00:35:05,965
and shot her
in the back of the head.
640
00:35:07,137 --> 00:35:10,413
I just can't begin
to articulate the kind
of terror
641
00:35:10,448 --> 00:35:12,310
that must have struck
in her heart.
642
00:35:14,103 --> 00:35:17,517
And then he shot
Diane O'Connell...
643
00:35:18,586 --> 00:35:19,896
...to make sure she was dead.
644
00:35:21,103 --> 00:35:22,379
This was so deliberate.
645
00:35:23,620 --> 00:35:26,793
Just...
646
00:35:26,827 --> 00:35:28,379
This is beyond belief.
647
00:35:29,103 --> 00:35:30,689
That's four bodies
648
00:35:30,724 --> 00:35:31,758
on the same trail.
649
00:35:33,655 --> 00:35:35,448
This is like a predator.
650
00:35:35,482 --> 00:35:37,482
Deputies plan
to conduct an aerial search
651
00:35:37,517 --> 00:35:39,379
using infrared photography
652
00:35:39,413 --> 00:35:42,758
to locate any other bodies
that might be in the area.
653
00:35:42,793 --> 00:35:45,620
This is where
the alarm bells really rang.
654
00:35:45,655 --> 00:35:48,551
That we have a crisis
on our hands here.
655
00:35:48,586 --> 00:35:50,241
The Marin County
sheriff's department
656
00:35:50,275 --> 00:35:51,896
has reissued
its strong warning
657
00:35:51,931 --> 00:35:54,413
for hikers to use
extreme caution
658
00:35:54,448 --> 00:35:58,724
in the Point Reyes
and Mt. Tamalpais Parks
north of San Francisco.
659
00:35:58,758 --> 00:36:01,275
Of course, all the bodies
were taken for autopsy.
660
00:36:01,310 --> 00:36:04,724
They found .38 caliber bullets
in all of them.
661
00:36:04,758 --> 00:36:07,931
All the bullets
and ballistics matched.
662
00:36:07,965 --> 00:36:13,000
The same gun was also linked
to Anne Alderson.
663
00:36:13,034 --> 00:36:15,620
That really made it
a serial murder case,
664
00:36:15,655 --> 00:36:17,896
the only serial murderer
Marin has ever had.
665
00:36:30,586 --> 00:36:33,344
Northern
California authorities
are still searching
666
00:36:33,379 --> 00:36:36,206
for the man
believed responsible
for seven brutal murders
667
00:36:36,241 --> 00:36:37,724
in remote wilderness areas.
668
00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:43,000
The fear level in Marin County
now is through the roof.
669
00:36:44,862 --> 00:36:47,758
After the
four homicides
at Point Reyes,
670
00:36:47,793 --> 00:36:50,793
instead of the parking lot
being filled every weekend,
671
00:36:50,827 --> 00:36:53,689
I mean, there was hardly
anybody there.
672
00:36:53,724 --> 00:36:57,551
People were scared to death
to go into the camp grounds.
673
00:36:57,586 --> 00:36:59,758
There were signs
posted on trails
674
00:36:59,793 --> 00:37:03,241
in bright orange saying,
"Please do not hike alone."
675
00:37:03,275 --> 00:37:05,310
And it really sent
a chill through the area.
676
00:37:06,655 --> 00:37:08,620
A large contingent
of volunteer deputies
677
00:37:08,655 --> 00:37:10,551
will be patrolling
the trails this weekend.
678
00:37:12,344 --> 00:37:14,620
It completely
changed the region.
679
00:37:14,655 --> 00:37:17,448
Where will he go next?
What's gonna happen?
680
00:37:17,482 --> 00:37:20,275
He'd shown
that he was clearly
targeting women,
681
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:22,068
but he was not afraid
to kill a man
682
00:37:22,103 --> 00:37:23,620
if he happens to be
accompanying one.
683
00:37:24,793 --> 00:37:27,241
This was a demented
individual.
684
00:37:29,206 --> 00:37:31,241
Sheriff's deputies
had feared they might find
685
00:37:31,275 --> 00:37:34,793
still more victims
in this rugged wilderness
north of San Francisco.
686
00:37:34,827 --> 00:37:38,275
But no bodies were discovered
in the Wednesday search.
687
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:42,379
We established
the 24-hour hotline for tips.
688
00:37:42,413 --> 00:37:43,931
And we got
a lot of tips that way.
689
00:37:46,689 --> 00:37:49,586
The FBI told us,
"We'll give you
all help you need."
690
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:50,482
And they did.
691
00:37:51,655 --> 00:37:54,413
My division went
from 12 people
692
00:37:54,448 --> 00:37:56,896
to 32 people within a week.
693
00:37:56,931 --> 00:37:59,413
We had more people
than space.
694
00:37:59,448 --> 00:38:02,310
John Douglas was one
of the original FBI profilers,
695
00:38:02,344 --> 00:38:04,137
and he was brought in.
696
00:38:04,172 --> 00:38:07,068
At that time,
profiling was relatively new.
697
00:38:07,103 --> 00:38:10,724
And Douglas spent a couple
of days with us
going over all the reports.
698
00:38:10,758 --> 00:38:14,551
I told them
it would come down
to having low self-esteem.
699
00:38:14,586 --> 00:38:16,931
The low self esteem
is there's something
about him,
700
00:38:16,965 --> 00:38:18,689
there's something wrong
with him.
701
00:38:18,724 --> 00:38:21,862
It's some crippling problem
in his life.
702
00:38:21,896 --> 00:38:24,000
And one
of the key things
that he said
703
00:38:24,034 --> 00:38:26,482
was that this guy
probably stutters.
704
00:38:27,931 --> 00:38:29,793
There was a team
of three psychologists
705
00:38:29,827 --> 00:38:32,862
who provided a profile
for authorities.
706
00:38:32,896 --> 00:38:36,413
Here's what
the psychologists theorize
about the Marin County killer.
707
00:38:36,448 --> 00:38:40,206
The suspect is believed
to be deteriorating physically
and mentally.
708
00:38:40,241 --> 00:38:43,689
He feels unclean
and is suffering
from hyperventilation.
709
00:38:43,724 --> 00:38:46,206
Hot flashes,
small anxiety attacks,
710
00:38:46,241 --> 00:38:47,551
and his hands may tremble.
711
00:38:49,551 --> 00:38:51,344
When he was working
for Gems of the Golden West
712
00:38:51,379 --> 00:38:52,827
we'd go have lunch together.
713
00:38:52,862 --> 00:38:54,172
"Anything going on, David?"
"No."
714
00:38:54,206 --> 00:38:55,965
"How's Mom and Dad?
Things going okay?
715
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,793
Anything you wanna
talk about?" "No." "Okay."
Bam! That was it.
716
00:39:00,344 --> 00:39:02,931
I'd met the people
at the Gems
of the Golden West.
717
00:39:02,965 --> 00:39:04,448
They liked David
a great deal.
718
00:39:04,482 --> 00:39:05,448
And he was
a good worker.
719
00:39:06,137 --> 00:39:07,793
I had been in his home.
720
00:39:07,827 --> 00:39:09,689
I had met his parents
numerous times.
721
00:39:10,724 --> 00:39:13,724
He felt some responsibility
722
00:39:13,758 --> 00:39:15,931
to take care
of his elderly parents.
723
00:39:15,965 --> 00:39:17,241
"David, you sure
you wanna live there?
724
00:39:17,275 --> 00:39:20,241
I mean, this is like,
lot of ghosts here."
725
00:39:20,275 --> 00:39:22,379
"Oh, no,
I need to do this."
726
00:39:22,413 --> 00:39:25,551
He said, "I've resolved all
this stuff in therapy."
727
00:39:25,586 --> 00:39:29,344
He says, "I got my therapy
and I never felt better
in my life."
728
00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:33,448
Part of his
parole conditions
729
00:39:33,482 --> 00:39:36,034
were he had to stay
within the jurisdiction
730
00:39:36,068 --> 00:39:39,793
of the United States District
Court for the Northern
District of California.
731
00:39:39,827 --> 00:39:42,517
Which is like
13 California counties
732
00:39:42,551 --> 00:39:44,586
stretching from Monterey
733
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:48,172
up the coast to Del Norte
at the top of California.
734
00:39:48,206 --> 00:39:50,620
He had the opportunity to work
in a lot of different areas
735
00:39:50,655 --> 00:39:52,724
and meet a lot
of different people.
736
00:39:52,758 --> 00:39:54,931
The parole
people said
737
00:39:54,965 --> 00:39:57,103
he should not work
around women.
738
00:39:57,137 --> 00:39:58,344
So what's the first job
he gets?
739
00:39:59,448 --> 00:40:01,034
Gems of the Golden West.
740
00:40:01,068 --> 00:40:04,448
Where there's only a couple
of guys working there,
the rest are all women.
741
00:40:05,724 --> 00:40:08,379
This was a guy
who had a stable
742
00:40:08,413 --> 00:40:09,241
living situation,
743
00:40:09,896 --> 00:40:11,586
stable job,
744
00:40:11,620 --> 00:40:13,344
always made
his appointments.
745
00:40:13,379 --> 00:40:15,758
And I saw this guy
over 50 times
746
00:40:15,793 --> 00:40:18,379
in the year that
I supervised him.
747
00:40:18,413 --> 00:40:20,482
I was spending
a lot of time with this guy.
748
00:40:20,517 --> 00:40:24,862
And he was compliant.
749
00:40:25,758 --> 00:40:27,724
On the surface.
750
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:29,724
But I saw what
he wanted me to see.
751
00:40:30,896 --> 00:40:33,103
He was
extremely clever.
752
00:40:33,137 --> 00:40:35,103
To everybody, including
his parole officer,
753
00:40:35,137 --> 00:40:37,103
he was doing great.
754
00:40:37,137 --> 00:40:38,931
He was
a tremendous success.
755
00:40:43,793 --> 00:40:46,172
These hideous crimes
were being committed.
756
00:40:47,172 --> 00:40:49,000
There was no telling
what he might do next.
757
00:40:49,689 --> 00:40:51,344
He had this secret life.
758
00:40:52,448 --> 00:40:55,034
He just had a way
of playing people.
759
00:40:55,068 --> 00:40:57,517
He used the stuttering
to manipulate
760
00:40:57,551 --> 00:40:59,793
to get people
to sympathize with him.
761
00:41:00,896 --> 00:41:03,413
Physically he seemed
non-threatening,
762
00:41:03,448 --> 00:41:05,862
that was his biggest weapon.
763
00:41:05,896 --> 00:41:08,620
This power that he's after,
it's a hatred...
764
00:41:09,034 --> 00:41:11,000
of women.
765
00:41:11,034 --> 00:41:14,965
We always said,
if he ever kills someone
he's connected with,
766
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,137
we'll have something
to go on.
767
00:41:17,172 --> 00:41:20,310
At some point,
I looked at him,
he looked at me,
768
00:41:21,172 --> 00:41:23,310
I knew and he knew
that I knew.
769
00:41:23,344 --> 00:41:27,137
I'm looking into the eyes
of someone who has done
really horrible things.
770
00:41:29,379 --> 00:41:32,448
This guy knew how
to make people do what
he wanted them to do.
771
00:41:32,482 --> 00:41:34,655
He's a very
brilliant madman.
772
00:41:41,827 --> 00:41:46,206
David Carpenter appeared to be
an awkward, mild-mannered,
middle-aged man,
773
00:41:46,241 --> 00:41:50,275
incapable of committing
the brutal crimes
he would later be accused of.
774
00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:54,172
But that all changed
when one of the Trailside
victims survived.
775
00:41:54,206 --> 00:41:57,448
And a clear picture
of the killer emerged.
776
00:41:57,482 --> 00:42:00,758
That's in part two
of "The Trailside Killer."
777
00:42:00,793 --> 00:42:03,172
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
Thanks for watching.
778
00:42:03,586 --> 00:42:04,655
Good night.
61715
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