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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,418 --> 00:00:05,130 {\an8}♪♪ 2 00:00:05,255 --> 00:00:08,008 Gardner: There was a series of unexplained deaths 3 00:00:08,091 --> 00:00:11,386 on wards where he worked. 4 00:00:11,469 --> 00:00:13,805 Man: When he came out of this patient's room, 5 00:00:13,930 --> 00:00:14,931 the patient was dead. 6 00:00:15,015 --> 00:00:16,641 Fischer: He was telling us 7 00:00:16,766 --> 00:00:21,146 that there was a doctor that went by his room 8 00:00:21,271 --> 00:00:23,648 every single night, pushing a cart 9 00:00:23,773 --> 00:00:26,317 and pointing at him, saying, "You're next." 10 00:00:26,443 --> 00:00:34,451 {\an8}♪♪ 11 00:00:34,534 --> 00:00:42,500 {\an8}♪♪ 12 00:00:42,625 --> 00:00:50,425 {\an8}♪♪ 13 00:00:50,508 --> 00:00:52,260 Welcome to "Very Scary People." 14 00:00:52,344 --> 00:00:54,012 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 15 00:00:54,137 --> 00:00:56,389 Michael Swango -- former Marine, 16 00:00:56,473 --> 00:00:59,184 award-winning scholar, trusted physician. 17 00:00:59,309 --> 00:01:01,561 On the surface, he seemed like a hero, 18 00:01:01,644 --> 00:01:04,230 but there was nothing heroic about Dr. Swango. 19 00:01:04,314 --> 00:01:06,399 He was, in fact, a dangerous killer, 20 00:01:06,483 --> 00:01:08,735 obsessed with poison and death. 21 00:01:08,818 --> 00:01:10,695 He reveled in human suffering. 22 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:14,157 Dr. Swango's murder spree spanned nearly two decades. 23 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,451 How did this healer-turned-serial killer 24 00:01:16,534 --> 00:01:17,827 get away with this for so long? 25 00:01:17,952 --> 00:01:21,998 Here's part two of "Dr. Death: You're Next." 26 00:01:22,082 --> 00:01:29,381 {\an8}♪♪ 27 00:01:29,506 --> 00:01:33,218 {\an8}Michael Swango, he just looks like the kind of guy 28 00:01:33,343 --> 00:01:34,678 {\an8}you would want to be your doctor. 29 00:01:34,761 --> 00:01:37,972 {\an8}I have tried my utmost to be the best person 30 00:01:38,056 --> 00:01:41,893 {\an8}and the best physician I can be, and that's all anyone can do. 31 00:01:42,018 --> 00:01:46,106 {\an8}He was a very polite, good-looking young man 32 00:01:46,189 --> 00:01:49,067 who was very articulate, a former Marine, 33 00:01:49,192 --> 00:01:53,655 and there was nothing that was not glowing about him. 34 00:01:53,738 --> 00:01:56,533 Reporter: But people think Swango may be using his brilliant mind 35 00:01:56,658 --> 00:02:00,537 and medical skills to play with people's lives. 36 00:02:00,620 --> 00:02:02,914 {\an8}This was a person who should not be 37 00:02:03,039 --> 00:02:04,833 {\an8}licensed to practice medicine. 38 00:02:04,916 --> 00:02:07,711 {\an8}Lower: Michael Swango was a convicted felon. 39 00:02:07,794 --> 00:02:13,800 {\an8}He had poisoned his co-workers as an EMT in Quincy, Illinois. 40 00:02:13,883 --> 00:02:17,303 {\an8}I'm not thinking that that doughnut that I'm eating 41 00:02:17,387 --> 00:02:19,055 {\an8}is laced with poison. 42 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:20,557 {\an8}Nobody thinks that the cup with soda 43 00:02:20,682 --> 00:02:23,518 {\an8}is gonna be injected with arsenic. 44 00:02:23,601 --> 00:02:25,020 {\an8}That's what makes him so dangerous. 45 00:02:25,103 --> 00:02:28,481 {\an8}He was trying to kill me. 46 00:02:28,565 --> 00:02:31,609 {\an8}You had this trail -- this trail of death 47 00:02:31,735 --> 00:02:34,154 {\an8}and illness under suspicious causes 48 00:02:34,237 --> 00:02:36,031 {\an8}that were attached to this doctor. 49 00:02:36,114 --> 00:02:37,782 {\an8}When he was in medical school, 50 00:02:37,907 --> 00:02:40,243 {\an8}his fellow students referred to him 51 00:02:40,368 --> 00:02:43,913 {\an8}as "Double-O Swango -- License to kill." 52 00:02:43,997 --> 00:02:45,749 {\an8}He had the highest death rate 53 00:02:45,832 --> 00:02:48,251 {\an8}of any of the interns down there. 54 00:02:48,335 --> 00:02:49,461 {\an8}Lower: Swango was dismissed 55 00:02:49,586 --> 00:02:51,129 {\an8}from the surgical residency program 56 00:02:51,254 --> 00:02:53,590 {\an8}at the Ohio State University hospitals. 57 00:02:53,673 --> 00:02:55,717 {\an8}Nurses are all afraid to be around him. 58 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,261 {\an8}They sense something is wrong with this man. 59 00:02:58,345 --> 00:03:00,180 Lower: According to reports, 60 00:03:00,263 --> 00:03:04,351 Swango was suspected of killing at least one patient there. 61 00:03:04,434 --> 00:03:07,771 Montanari: Cindy McGee was a 19-year-old gymnast. 62 00:03:07,896 --> 00:03:09,272 She was in a trauma unit. 63 00:03:09,397 --> 00:03:11,066 {\an8}But we could see she was getting better. 64 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:12,776 Sackman: She's actually improving 65 00:03:12,901 --> 00:03:15,320 until she gets a visit from Michael Swango. 66 00:03:15,445 --> 00:03:17,947 Then she dies unexpectedly. 67 00:03:18,031 --> 00:03:20,700 {\an8}There may have been some warning signs, 68 00:03:20,784 --> 00:03:24,746 but they really didn't add up those things at the time. 69 00:03:24,829 --> 00:03:28,875 Some doctor was poisoning people. 70 00:03:28,958 --> 00:03:30,293 This was a murderer. 71 00:03:33,672 --> 00:03:36,257 Jordan: After serving two years of his five-year sentence 72 00:03:36,341 --> 00:03:37,801 for poisoning his colleagues, 73 00:03:37,884 --> 00:03:41,429 {\an8}Dr. Michael Swango is released from Centralia Prison 74 00:03:41,513 --> 00:03:44,099 in August of 1987. 75 00:03:44,182 --> 00:03:47,435 After he got out, I didn't know whether he would be coming after 76 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:48,812 for revenge or not. 77 00:03:48,895 --> 00:03:51,439 The news-media outlets were somewhat concerned, 78 00:03:51,523 --> 00:03:53,650 because we knew we were portraying him, 79 00:03:53,733 --> 00:03:55,485 you know, in a not-good light. 80 00:03:55,610 --> 00:03:58,238 But I don't think the general public had any real concern 81 00:03:58,321 --> 00:03:59,989 'cause he was not on anybody's radar. 82 00:04:00,115 --> 00:04:02,826 {\an8}Back then, you didn't have a 24-hour news cycle, 83 00:04:02,909 --> 00:04:04,619 and this would've stayed a local story 84 00:04:04,703 --> 00:04:08,164 and people outside that region would not know who he was. 85 00:04:08,248 --> 00:04:09,874 And he used that to his advantage 86 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,835 because he still wanted to practice medicine, 87 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,337 and he still wanted to kill people. 88 00:04:14,421 --> 00:04:16,256 And that's exactly what he did. 89 00:04:16,339 --> 00:04:24,848 {\an8}♪♪ 90 00:04:24,931 --> 00:04:27,392 Lower: Michael Swango has been a first-year resident, 91 00:04:27,517 --> 00:04:30,854 a student doctor, in Sioux Falls for the past five months. 92 00:04:30,937 --> 00:04:33,064 He worked in all three hospitals here, 93 00:04:33,189 --> 00:04:36,568 but it wasn't until this story aired on the "Justice Files," 94 00:04:36,693 --> 00:04:39,863 that people began worrying about Dr. Swango. 95 00:04:39,988 --> 00:04:43,241 We got a tip from someone who worked at one of the hospitals. 96 00:04:43,366 --> 00:04:46,703 This person recognized him on a show 97 00:04:46,828 --> 00:04:49,080 she had watched the night before. 98 00:04:49,205 --> 00:04:51,541 It was called "Justice Files." 99 00:04:51,624 --> 00:04:55,712 It talked about how he had poisoned his co-workers, 100 00:04:55,837 --> 00:04:58,757 and she was like, "What in the world is this guy 101 00:04:58,882 --> 00:05:02,635 doing in our medical residency program and treating patients? 102 00:05:02,719 --> 00:05:05,055 This guy could be dangerous." 103 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:07,724 Jordan: The story on the Discovery Channel series 104 00:05:07,807 --> 00:05:10,602 "Justice Files" was actually a repeat. 105 00:05:10,727 --> 00:05:13,480 It had originally aired on ABC's "20/20" 106 00:05:13,563 --> 00:05:15,857 on February 13, 1986. 107 00:05:15,940 --> 00:05:18,401 While Dr. Michael Swango was in prison 108 00:05:18,485 --> 00:05:19,903 for poisoning his colleagues, 109 00:05:20,028 --> 00:05:23,531 he sat down for an interview with John Stossel. 110 00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:26,743 Stossel: We got permission from the prison in Illinois 111 00:05:26,826 --> 00:05:31,373 {\an8}to interview him, and he was very convincing. 112 00:05:31,456 --> 00:05:34,334 I'm not guilty. I didn't do those things. 113 00:05:34,417 --> 00:05:36,878 In that ABC News program, "20/20," 114 00:05:36,961 --> 00:05:40,590 Dr. Michael Swango had an answer for everything. 115 00:05:40,674 --> 00:05:44,511 I would say, "Well, what about the ant poison?" 116 00:05:44,594 --> 00:05:45,762 "I had an ant problem." 117 00:05:45,887 --> 00:05:47,472 I don't know anything about ants. 118 00:05:47,597 --> 00:05:49,265 All I know is I had an ant problem, 119 00:05:49,391 --> 00:05:51,434 and I took care of it as best I could. 120 00:05:51,559 --> 00:05:53,019 "What about all these other poisons?" 121 00:05:53,103 --> 00:05:55,355 "Oh, if you looked in any suburban home, 122 00:05:55,438 --> 00:05:56,731 you'd find lots of things 123 00:05:56,815 --> 00:06:00,443 that the lawyers could spin as a poison." 124 00:06:00,568 --> 00:06:02,570 Okay. Started to wonder. 125 00:06:02,654 --> 00:06:05,532 You hear of the horrendous things that he's accused of 126 00:06:05,615 --> 00:06:07,784 and that he's been found guilty of. 127 00:06:07,867 --> 00:06:09,452 And, you know, you just think, 128 00:06:09,536 --> 00:06:11,955 "Well, this has to be some kind of a monster," 129 00:06:12,038 --> 00:06:14,374 but that's not how he comes across. 130 00:06:14,457 --> 00:06:18,628 {\an8}Wipf: The crime did not fit the person in front of you. 131 00:06:18,753 --> 00:06:20,797 When the report came on 132 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,633 and they put a picture up of Mike 133 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:27,929 {\an8}and said that he was accused of poisoning his co-workers, 134 00:06:28,013 --> 00:06:31,224 you could've knocked me over with a feather 135 00:06:31,307 --> 00:06:33,810 because I couldn't believe it. 136 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:36,479 Jordan: The staff at all three medical centers 137 00:06:36,563 --> 00:06:38,857 where Dr. Michael Swango worked were shocked, 138 00:06:38,982 --> 00:06:41,818 but no one was more surprised than his fiancée, 139 00:06:41,943 --> 00:06:46,114 a nurse named Kristin Kinney, also known as K.K. 140 00:06:46,197 --> 00:06:49,784 Wipf: K.K. worked with us, and she also didn't believe it. 141 00:06:49,868 --> 00:06:52,912 She just said, "Not the Mike I know." 142 00:06:52,996 --> 00:06:55,081 I thought he was guilty going in, 143 00:06:55,165 --> 00:06:58,835 and then during the interview, I had doubts. 144 00:06:58,918 --> 00:07:02,964 And by the end of it, I was thinking, 145 00:07:03,048 --> 00:07:04,966 "Maybe he didn't do it." 146 00:07:05,050 --> 00:07:14,017 {\an8}♪♪ 147 00:07:16,353 --> 00:07:20,106 {\an8}♪♪ 148 00:07:20,231 --> 00:07:21,941 Lower: Dr. Michael Swango's future 149 00:07:22,067 --> 00:07:24,277 in the internal medicine residency program 150 00:07:24,361 --> 00:07:26,905 here in Sioux Falls is uncertain 151 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:29,115 after the Discovery Channel aired a program 152 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,661 on Swango's conviction for poisoning paramedics. 153 00:07:33,787 --> 00:07:36,581 {\an8}Now, I didn't think that you could spend time in jail 154 00:07:36,664 --> 00:07:40,168 {\an8}for poisoning people and come out and be a physician, 155 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:44,881 but, boy, I was wrong, because that's exactly what he did. 156 00:07:44,964 --> 00:07:46,383 Lower: This is a common scene 157 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:48,677 at all three Sioux Falls hospitals, 158 00:07:48,802 --> 00:07:50,303 employees reviewing files -- 159 00:07:50,428 --> 00:07:54,182 {\an8}files of patients who were treated by Dr. Michael Swango. 160 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:57,644 {\an8}The hospitals did their own investigations. 161 00:07:57,727 --> 00:08:02,148 {\an8}And what they told me is that they looked at every case 162 00:08:02,273 --> 00:08:04,275 {\an8}that he had anything to do with. 163 00:08:04,359 --> 00:08:08,613 {\an8}And a review of all the patients did ultimately conclude 164 00:08:08,697 --> 00:08:10,281 {\an8}that he had had nothing to do 165 00:08:10,365 --> 00:08:12,325 with anything that had happened here. 166 00:08:12,409 --> 00:08:14,536 But the fear with Swango was high. 167 00:08:14,661 --> 00:08:15,995 We didn't know at the time 168 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:19,666 if he was a danger to anybody but a patient. 169 00:08:21,292 --> 00:08:23,503 Wipf: We had had a Christmas party. 170 00:08:23,586 --> 00:08:26,506 {\an8}The party was at one of our nurses' house, 171 00:08:26,631 --> 00:08:31,177 {\an8}and her husband was a detective on the police force. 172 00:08:31,302 --> 00:08:37,308 And so he literally followed Mike everywhere he went 173 00:08:37,392 --> 00:08:41,187 to make sure that he wasn't putting anything 174 00:08:41,271 --> 00:08:43,857 in any of the food or whatever. 175 00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:45,734 All of us were pretty okay with that. 176 00:08:45,859 --> 00:08:47,944 Reporter #1: Dr. Michael Swango is suspended 177 00:08:48,028 --> 00:08:49,779 from working in the Sioux Falls hospitals 178 00:08:49,863 --> 00:08:51,698 because he lied about his past. 179 00:08:51,823 --> 00:08:55,201 Governor George Mickelson wants Swango fired immediately. 180 00:08:55,326 --> 00:08:56,953 He wants to know the whole story 181 00:08:57,037 --> 00:09:00,582 of how Dr. Swango ended up here. 182 00:09:00,707 --> 00:09:03,376 Lower: We talked to the admissions' director 183 00:09:03,501 --> 00:09:06,463 from the University of South Dakota medical school, 184 00:09:06,546 --> 00:09:08,757 and that was really kind of enlightening 185 00:09:08,882 --> 00:09:11,843 because Swango did put down that he had a felony, 186 00:09:11,926 --> 00:09:13,845 but he explained it away by saying, 187 00:09:13,928 --> 00:09:15,388 "Well, it was a misunderstanding." 188 00:09:15,513 --> 00:09:18,224 Jordan: Swango did admit that he was in prison. 189 00:09:18,350 --> 00:09:22,228 {\an8}He just didn't tell the truth about why he had been there. 190 00:09:22,354 --> 00:09:25,357 {\an8}He lied. He said he was in a bar fight. 191 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,067 {\an8}McCarthy: He had the story about him 192 00:09:27,150 --> 00:09:28,777 {\an8}coming to some woman's aid in a bar/restaurant 193 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:30,779 {\an8}when she was being harassed by some other people 194 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:33,073 {\an8}and getting into a fist fight and he hurt people. 195 00:09:33,156 --> 00:09:36,910 {\an8}I ended up ultimately talking to the head of the department 196 00:09:37,035 --> 00:09:39,120 {\an8}at the University of South Dakota, 197 00:09:39,245 --> 00:09:41,414 and he was kind of astonished to learn 198 00:09:41,498 --> 00:09:44,209 that Michael Swango had been convicted 199 00:09:44,292 --> 00:09:46,461 of administering a toxic substance. 200 00:09:46,586 --> 00:09:49,339 Salem: I was not aware of the full facts 201 00:09:49,422 --> 00:09:53,468 {\an8}or the full circumstances surrounding his situation. 202 00:09:53,593 --> 00:09:56,596 I think he just talked his way into these places. 203 00:09:56,721 --> 00:09:59,474 And people would believe him because he was believable. 204 00:09:59,599 --> 00:10:02,769 The whistle was blown, and they kicked him out. 205 00:10:02,894 --> 00:10:08,024 {\an8}I want to clearly acknowledge that we made a mistake 206 00:10:08,108 --> 00:10:10,735 in admitting this person into our program. 207 00:10:10,819 --> 00:10:14,280 He wanted to do an interview with me on camera 208 00:10:14,364 --> 00:10:19,035 just to try to convince people that he was innocent. 209 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:20,870 Michael Swango says he should be allowed 210 00:10:20,954 --> 00:10:24,791 to stay in the residency program because he did nothing wrong. 211 00:10:24,874 --> 00:10:28,378 {\an8}We discussed fully what the implications were 212 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:30,630 {\an8}of coming into the program, 213 00:10:30,755 --> 00:10:33,800 {\an8}the possibility of completing three years 214 00:10:33,883 --> 00:10:35,301 {\an8}and then being licensed. 215 00:10:35,385 --> 00:10:37,095 {\an8}It was certainly something that I deserved 216 00:10:37,178 --> 00:10:38,638 {\an8}to have the chance to do. 217 00:10:38,763 --> 00:10:42,475 When it got toward the end of this whole investigation, 218 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,811 he was talking to everybody about everything, 219 00:10:44,894 --> 00:10:48,148 anything, you know, just to try to convince people 220 00:10:48,231 --> 00:10:51,151 that he was, you know, innocent. 221 00:10:51,234 --> 00:10:53,153 Jordan: Despite his claims of innocence, 222 00:10:53,278 --> 00:10:55,321 Dr. Michael Swango was officially dismissed 223 00:10:55,405 --> 00:10:58,199 from the medical-school program in South Dakota, 224 00:10:58,324 --> 00:11:01,244 and in the spring of 1993 he and his fiancée, 225 00:11:01,327 --> 00:11:04,414 Kristin Kinney, left town. 226 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:08,043 When they went into his house after he was gone, 227 00:11:08,168 --> 00:11:10,420 it was full of poisons. 228 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:12,714 And after he left Sioux Falls, 229 00:11:12,839 --> 00:11:15,342 supposedly the behavior really did not change. 230 00:11:15,467 --> 00:11:18,803 It was like he skirted right under the law. 231 00:11:18,887 --> 00:11:24,434 {\an8}♪♪ 232 00:11:24,517 --> 00:11:29,647 {\an8}♪♪ 233 00:11:29,731 --> 00:11:32,359 {\an8}My father's name was Thomas Sammarco. 234 00:11:32,484 --> 00:11:35,362 He was in the Army -- World War II. 235 00:11:35,487 --> 00:11:37,405 My father was confined to a wheelchair 236 00:11:37,530 --> 00:11:41,326 from an accident at work, but he went into the V.A. 237 00:11:41,409 --> 00:11:44,788 for his checkups and stuff like that. 238 00:11:44,871 --> 00:11:47,290 He was there for an examination. 239 00:11:47,374 --> 00:11:50,877 He was fairly healthy, and then all of a sudden, 240 00:11:51,002 --> 00:11:55,423 he got sick when he was there, and the nurse had told us 241 00:11:55,548 --> 00:11:59,719 that he had a staph infection in the brain. 242 00:11:59,844 --> 00:12:01,680 And they put him in ICU. 243 00:12:04,432 --> 00:12:07,394 Every time we went up to visit him, 244 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:10,230 he was telling us that there was a doctor 245 00:12:10,355 --> 00:12:14,275 that went by his room every single night, 246 00:12:14,401 --> 00:12:16,695 pushing a cart and pointing at him, 247 00:12:16,778 --> 00:12:19,447 saying, "You're next." 248 00:12:19,572 --> 00:12:23,076 He was just a young, nice-looking doctor 249 00:12:23,201 --> 00:12:25,453 who we now know is Michael Swango. 250 00:12:25,578 --> 00:12:34,754 {\an8}♪♪ 251 00:12:37,924 --> 00:12:40,885 {\an8}Michael Swango's story was out. 252 00:12:40,969 --> 00:12:44,973 Reporter #2: The twisted odyssey of Dr. Swango begins in 1982 253 00:12:45,056 --> 00:12:47,642 with mysterious deaths in medical school. 254 00:12:47,726 --> 00:12:50,186 Yet he advances to prestigious Ohio State, 255 00:12:50,270 --> 00:12:52,022 where he's linked to more deaths. 256 00:12:52,105 --> 00:12:55,275 He moves on to Quincy, Illinois, where he is convicted and jailed 257 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,319 for poisoning co-workers with arsenic. 258 00:12:58,403 --> 00:13:03,199 Yet in 1992, he's practicing medicine again in South Dakota. 259 00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:05,618 A year later, he's on Long Island. 260 00:13:05,744 --> 00:13:06,828 Jordan: And it followed him to New York, 261 00:13:06,911 --> 00:13:09,247 where he was now practicing medicine. 262 00:13:09,372 --> 00:13:10,874 {\an8}How does this happen? 263 00:13:10,957 --> 00:13:15,795 {\an8}How does he keep getting into these places? 264 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,840 {\an8}Sackman: I got a call from the chief of psychiatry 265 00:13:18,923 --> 00:13:21,176 {\an8}at the Northport V.A. Medical Center, 266 00:13:21,259 --> 00:13:24,929 {\an8}and she said, "You know, Bruce, you're not gonna believe this, 267 00:13:25,013 --> 00:13:27,807 {\an8}but there's actually a physician here, 268 00:13:27,932 --> 00:13:29,392 {\an8}working here at the V.A., 269 00:13:29,476 --> 00:13:31,436 {\an8}and he's suspected of killing people." 270 00:13:31,561 --> 00:13:34,689 {\an8}It seemed impossible to me, 271 00:13:34,773 --> 00:13:36,941 {\an8}but you don't know until you check it out. 272 00:13:37,025 --> 00:13:38,777 {\an8}Maybe there's something there. 273 00:13:38,860 --> 00:13:40,195 {\an8}Maybe there's not. 274 00:13:40,278 --> 00:13:43,114 Let's take a look, see what's going on. 275 00:13:44,532 --> 00:13:46,117 Sackman: We found Michael Swango, 276 00:13:46,201 --> 00:13:48,953 and let me tell you something, he was the most handsome, 277 00:13:49,037 --> 00:13:51,748 charming person you'd ever want to meet. 278 00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:53,041 You know, if I didn't know better, 279 00:13:53,124 --> 00:13:54,793 I'd want to introduce him to my daughter. 280 00:13:54,876 --> 00:13:56,670 We talked to him briefly. 281 00:13:56,795 --> 00:13:58,630 Sackman: We said, "You know, doctor, 282 00:13:58,755 --> 00:14:00,131 we heard that there's some story 283 00:14:00,215 --> 00:14:03,468 in the news about you actually poisoning people. 284 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:06,137 Is that true?" And he says, "Oh, no, no, no. 285 00:14:06,221 --> 00:14:09,349 This was all just a big misunderstanding." 286 00:14:09,474 --> 00:14:11,810 And I said, "Well, thank you very much, Doc. 287 00:14:11,893 --> 00:14:14,771 You know, I really appreciate that, 288 00:14:14,854 --> 00:14:16,856 but could we just take a look around your room?" 289 00:14:16,981 --> 00:14:20,110 And that's when his attitude completely changed. 290 00:14:20,193 --> 00:14:22,821 And then he said, "No, you can't, 291 00:14:22,946 --> 00:14:24,489 and this interview is over." 292 00:14:24,614 --> 00:14:26,658 Just the way his eyes were -- 293 00:14:26,741 --> 00:14:30,704 uncomfortably sneaky-looking, sinister. 294 00:14:30,829 --> 00:14:33,373 And Tom and I are looking at each other. 295 00:14:33,498 --> 00:14:34,958 Something's not right here. 296 00:14:35,041 --> 00:14:38,378 The decision was made -- get him out of the hospital. 297 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:39,629 Get him out. 298 00:14:39,713 --> 00:14:40,922 Sackman: And then the next thing you know, 299 00:14:41,006 --> 00:14:45,010 a few days later, Michael Swango's gone. 300 00:14:45,135 --> 00:14:47,595 Don't know where he is. 301 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:50,932 {\an8}So the FBI typically doesn't work murder cases, 302 00:14:51,016 --> 00:14:52,308 but in this instance, 303 00:14:52,392 --> 00:14:54,519 because it involved a V.A. hospital, 304 00:14:54,644 --> 00:14:57,480 the property belongs to the United States government, 305 00:14:57,564 --> 00:15:00,859 then it automatically falls under FBI jurisdiction. 306 00:15:00,984 --> 00:15:03,695 Jordan: The FBI tracked him to Atlanta, Georgia, 307 00:15:03,778 --> 00:15:06,322 before the trail went cold. 308 00:15:06,406 --> 00:15:07,907 Neer: And he was working for, in my understanding, 309 00:15:08,033 --> 00:15:09,784 it was a water-treatment facility, 310 00:15:09,868 --> 00:15:11,161 which was quite alarming. 311 00:15:11,244 --> 00:15:12,829 {\an8}By this time, we had learned 312 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:14,456 {\an8}that he had an intense interest in poisoning, 313 00:15:14,539 --> 00:15:16,666 {\an8}that he had previously been arrested 314 00:15:16,750 --> 00:15:18,084 for poisoning co-workers, 315 00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:20,462 and that he was suspected of poisoning 316 00:15:20,545 --> 00:15:23,381 and killing patients in several hospitals. 317 00:15:23,465 --> 00:15:24,924 Anybody with that history 318 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:27,427 would look upon a water-treatment facility as, 319 00:15:27,552 --> 00:15:30,347 in our estimation, a potential opportunity. 320 00:15:30,430 --> 00:15:33,475 McCarthy: Then they went looking for him, and he was gone. 321 00:15:33,558 --> 00:15:34,893 Neer: He disappeared. 322 00:15:35,018 --> 00:15:37,937 And then we lost track of him. 323 00:15:38,063 --> 00:15:39,606 McCarthy: At that point, he's a fugitive. 324 00:15:39,731 --> 00:15:42,233 {\an8}We consulted with the BAU, the behavioral science unit. 325 00:15:42,317 --> 00:15:45,362 And they were of the opinion that this offender 326 00:15:45,445 --> 00:15:47,947 would still be in the medical field somewhere. 327 00:15:48,073 --> 00:15:49,991 He's going to be using some of those skills, 328 00:15:50,075 --> 00:15:52,160 and he's going to be killing people. 329 00:15:55,246 --> 00:15:59,876 {\an8}So we started really doing a pretty robust investigation 330 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:02,629 {\an8}of his time at the V.A. hospital 331 00:16:02,754 --> 00:16:05,548 in Northport on Long Island. 332 00:16:05,632 --> 00:16:08,051 By that time, we didn't have any evidence 333 00:16:08,134 --> 00:16:10,345 that he actually had harmed anybody 334 00:16:10,428 --> 00:16:12,931 at the Northport V.A. Medical Center. 335 00:16:13,014 --> 00:16:17,102 But they did know he was guilty of something. 336 00:16:17,185 --> 00:16:19,646 Gardner: They weren't sure about the suspicious deaths. 337 00:16:19,771 --> 00:16:22,357 They were sure that he had lied about his background. 338 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,152 He lied about the fact that he had qualified as a physician. 339 00:16:26,277 --> 00:16:28,530 He graduated from medical school, 340 00:16:28,613 --> 00:16:31,908 but he hadn't become licensed in any way, 341 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:33,284 and he lied about that. 342 00:16:33,368 --> 00:16:35,745 {\an8}He still needed to complete his residency. 343 00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:39,124 Gardner: He also lied about an assault conviction. 344 00:16:39,249 --> 00:16:41,126 He said it was a fight in a bar. 345 00:16:41,251 --> 00:16:44,004 Jordan: Swango then took it one step further, 346 00:16:44,129 --> 00:16:45,588 creating falsified documents 347 00:16:45,672 --> 00:16:49,134 that appeared to absolve him of all these charges. 348 00:16:49,217 --> 00:16:51,636 {\an8}I've got a document in my briefcase that he forged. 349 00:16:51,761 --> 00:16:53,555 It was from the Illinois Department of Corrections, 350 00:16:53,638 --> 00:16:55,640 and it said he was in there on aggravated battery, 351 00:16:55,765 --> 00:16:59,144 but it said that he hit someone with his fist. 352 00:16:59,227 --> 00:17:01,021 Didn't say anything about poisoning. 353 00:17:01,146 --> 00:17:02,188 Cashman: He forged a letter 354 00:17:02,313 --> 00:17:03,815 saying he had his sentence commuted 355 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:08,153 and his civil rights restored by the governor of Virginia, 356 00:17:08,236 --> 00:17:09,571 which I thought was kind of interesting, 357 00:17:09,654 --> 00:17:11,322 {\an8}how the governor of Virginia could do that 358 00:17:11,406 --> 00:17:12,574 {\an8}since it was an Illinois case, 359 00:17:12,657 --> 00:17:14,826 but he did a lot of things like that, 360 00:17:14,951 --> 00:17:18,163 and they bought it all the time. 361 00:17:18,288 --> 00:17:21,207 Jordan: Swango's lying wasn't just bad judgment. 362 00:17:21,332 --> 00:17:23,626 If you lie on a federal job application, 363 00:17:23,710 --> 00:17:28,256 it's actually a felony punishable by time in prison. 364 00:17:28,340 --> 00:17:32,344 Gardner: There was a flat-out lie to a federal agent, 365 00:17:32,427 --> 00:17:34,137 who in this case was the head doctor 366 00:17:34,220 --> 00:17:36,848 at the hospital where he was interviewed. 367 00:17:36,973 --> 00:17:39,100 If you lie on your application, 368 00:17:39,184 --> 00:17:41,227 that's a false statement to the government. 369 00:17:41,353 --> 00:17:44,647 Something we call 18 U.S.C. 1001, 370 00:17:44,731 --> 00:17:46,566 a false statement charge. 371 00:17:46,691 --> 00:17:49,819 It's, like, one of the mildest felonies we charge people with, 372 00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:53,740 but that would be something we could at least capture him with, 373 00:17:53,865 --> 00:17:55,533 and we knew he was much more dangerous than that. 374 00:17:55,617 --> 00:17:58,912 The government had an abundance of concern 375 00:17:59,037 --> 00:18:01,247 that he would continue to poison people, 376 00:18:01,373 --> 00:18:03,166 continue to murder people. 377 00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:04,709 The concern was, "Get him off the street 378 00:18:04,793 --> 00:18:06,878 as quickly as possible with what we have." 379 00:18:06,961 --> 00:18:10,507 Gardner: We indicted him for perjury, and we filed a warrant, 380 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:13,218 and the warrant gets filed not only in the United States 381 00:18:13,343 --> 00:18:14,886 but internationally. 382 00:18:15,011 --> 00:18:16,596 "If you see this guy, arrest him." 383 00:18:16,721 --> 00:18:18,682 So that's the best we could do at that point. 384 00:18:18,765 --> 00:18:20,433 Gagliano: But four more years would transpire 385 00:18:20,558 --> 00:18:22,394 before there was a break in this case 386 00:18:22,477 --> 00:18:24,688 that pointed them in the right direction 387 00:18:24,771 --> 00:18:26,022 of where Michael Swango was. 388 00:18:26,106 --> 00:18:36,241 {\an8}♪♪ 389 00:18:38,535 --> 00:18:43,498 {\an8}♪♪ 390 00:18:43,581 --> 00:18:45,834 Welcome back to "Very Scary People." 391 00:18:45,917 --> 00:18:50,463 In 1993, Dr. Michael Swango, a prolific poisoner 392 00:18:50,547 --> 00:18:53,591 and suspected serial killer, vanished. 393 00:18:53,717 --> 00:18:55,719 Many believed he fled the country. 394 00:18:55,802 --> 00:18:59,389 The FBI and Interpol launched an international manhunt, 395 00:18:59,514 --> 00:19:03,143 but after more than four years, his trail had gone cold. 396 00:19:03,226 --> 00:19:06,062 Then authorities got the break they needed 397 00:19:06,146 --> 00:19:07,605 when Michael Swango tried 398 00:19:07,731 --> 00:19:10,608 to sneak back into the United States. 399 00:19:13,236 --> 00:19:17,949 {\an8}I got a call from an FBI agent saying, 400 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:21,244 {\an8}"Do you know a person by the name of Mike Swango?" 401 00:19:21,369 --> 00:19:25,915 My heart sank because I thought, "Oh, God. What's going on?" 402 00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:29,044 I said, "Yeah, that's my case." 403 00:19:29,127 --> 00:19:32,213 He says, "Well, we have him here in Chicago." 404 00:19:32,297 --> 00:19:37,469 {\an8}♪♪ 405 00:19:37,594 --> 00:19:41,556 Neer: Michael Swango was coming back into the United States. 406 00:19:41,639 --> 00:19:46,311 He comes into Chicago, and you have to present your passport, 407 00:19:46,436 --> 00:19:48,605 {\an8}and the passport officials scan it. 408 00:19:48,688 --> 00:19:51,316 {\an8}And then all of a sudden, what popped up -- 409 00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:52,776 {\an8}There's a warrant for his arrest. 410 00:19:52,901 --> 00:19:56,905 {\an8}We had an arrest warrant for him ready for fraud, 411 00:19:56,988 --> 00:20:00,450 {\an8}not for murder, and we grabbed him on that. 412 00:20:00,575 --> 00:20:04,662 {\an8}And they detained him, and they took him back to New York. 413 00:20:04,788 --> 00:20:05,789 Reporter #3: Today, Swango was arraigned 414 00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:07,165 on a federal fraud charge 415 00:20:07,290 --> 00:20:09,417 in connection with lies he allegedly made 416 00:20:09,501 --> 00:20:12,087 to get hired as a resident in 1993. 417 00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:14,881 I got all the evidence that he was traveling with 418 00:20:14,964 --> 00:20:17,926 when he was arrested and all of his travel documents. 419 00:20:18,009 --> 00:20:21,346 And he had a really interesting passport. 420 00:20:21,471 --> 00:20:23,765 Neer: Now, what we learned by looking at his passport 421 00:20:23,848 --> 00:20:25,642 was that he had been in Africa. 422 00:20:25,725 --> 00:20:29,771 So it turned out that when he left Northport, 423 00:20:29,854 --> 00:20:32,357 he eventually found his way to Zimbabwe. 424 00:20:32,482 --> 00:20:37,821 So now we're gonna have to look at what happened in Zimbabwe. 425 00:20:41,282 --> 00:20:43,493 Jordan: They put together a team of investigators, 426 00:20:43,618 --> 00:20:46,663 {\an8}and they hoped that Africa would be able to offer them 427 00:20:46,788 --> 00:20:48,915 the clues that would help them build their case. 428 00:20:48,998 --> 00:20:50,166 McCarthy: We had to get to Africa. 429 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:52,127 {\an8}We thought if he got sloppy anywhere, 430 00:20:52,210 --> 00:20:53,503 {\an8}if he was willing to take a chance, 431 00:20:53,586 --> 00:20:55,130 {\an8}it would be over there. 432 00:20:55,213 --> 00:20:57,382 Maybe he's done something in Africa that can help inform us 433 00:20:57,507 --> 00:21:01,928 about what these murders were about here in the United States. 434 00:21:02,012 --> 00:21:11,187 {\an8}♪♪ 435 00:21:11,271 --> 00:21:20,488 {\an8}♪♪ 436 00:21:20,572 --> 00:21:23,950 Dongozi: Zimbabwe is the most beautiful country in the world. 437 00:21:24,034 --> 00:21:27,454 {\an8}I'm not ashamed to say that. 438 00:21:27,537 --> 00:21:30,665 It's a world of wonders. 439 00:21:30,749 --> 00:21:32,375 Neer: It's a beautiful country. 440 00:21:32,459 --> 00:21:34,878 It was my first time in Africa, when I traveled over there. 441 00:21:34,961 --> 00:21:36,379 Valery: At that particular time, 442 00:21:36,463 --> 00:21:41,968 {\an8}Zimbabwe was in the middle of the AIDS epidemic. 443 00:21:42,052 --> 00:21:44,637 {\an8}There was a shortage of doctors in Zimbabwe, 444 00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:46,806 {\an8}and there were many foreign doctors 445 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:50,185 who came to practice because of the shortage. 446 00:21:52,562 --> 00:21:53,772 Neer: Michael had come 447 00:21:53,897 --> 00:21:56,232 through the Evangelical Lutheran Church, 448 00:21:56,358 --> 00:22:00,070 and there was a pathway for bringing foreign doctors over. 449 00:22:00,153 --> 00:22:01,488 McCarthy: When he got to Africa, 450 00:22:01,571 --> 00:22:02,906 people at the hospital asked him, 451 00:22:02,989 --> 00:22:04,407 "With your background, why are you coming here?" 452 00:22:04,532 --> 00:22:06,910 And he would tell them, "Well, I've been so blessed, 453 00:22:06,993 --> 00:22:08,661 I think it's time I gave back," 454 00:22:08,745 --> 00:22:11,790 and people were dying to hear that and believe it. 455 00:22:11,915 --> 00:22:16,252 Swango was assigned to the Mnene Mission Hospital. 456 00:22:16,378 --> 00:22:19,464 The people he treated were mostly obstetric patients 457 00:22:19,589 --> 00:22:21,925 who were delivering babies. 458 00:22:22,050 --> 00:22:23,802 Neer: Within a short period of time, 459 00:22:23,927 --> 00:22:27,222 the staff realized that he was deficient 460 00:22:27,305 --> 00:22:30,266 in some of the most basic medical procedures, 461 00:22:30,392 --> 00:22:32,227 certainly in obstetrics. 462 00:22:32,310 --> 00:22:35,980 And so that was the first sign of potential trouble. 463 00:22:36,106 --> 00:22:38,358 Gardner: We learned he also might be connected 464 00:22:38,441 --> 00:22:42,237 to some suspicious deaths that occurred at the hospital 465 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,988 during the time that he worked there. 466 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:13,226 Jordan: The U.S. team included 467 00:23:13,309 --> 00:23:15,520 forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, 468 00:23:15,645 --> 00:23:16,980 and he was looking for poison 469 00:23:17,105 --> 00:23:19,858 in several of Swango's possible victims. 470 00:23:19,983 --> 00:23:21,860 We had hired local grave diggers, 471 00:23:21,985 --> 00:23:24,654 and we would transport the bodies back to Bulawayo, 472 00:23:24,779 --> 00:23:27,323 where Dr. Michael Baden would do autopsies and take samples. 473 00:23:27,407 --> 00:23:29,701 We also were able to actually talk to a live witness. 474 00:23:29,826 --> 00:23:32,704 And there were two or three cases where there were people 475 00:23:32,829 --> 00:23:36,207 who experienced some sort of intense pain 476 00:23:36,332 --> 00:23:38,418 right after he injected him with something. 477 00:23:38,501 --> 00:23:42,756 Gardner: There was this rush of adrenaline to the point where 478 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,633 they thought they were gonna have a heart attack and die, 479 00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:49,554 and this elderly gentleman that I spoke to in Zimbabwe 480 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:51,264 said exactly that. 481 00:23:51,348 --> 00:23:53,141 He said, "I thought I was gonna have a heart attack and die." 482 00:24:21,503 --> 00:24:24,506 Other survivors shared terrifying tales. 483 00:24:24,589 --> 00:24:27,050 And one of them was a pregnant woman. 484 00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:37,060 Neer: And Swango injected something into her I.V. bag. 485 00:24:37,185 --> 00:24:39,562 And then she felt this intense shooting of pain 486 00:24:39,646 --> 00:24:41,022 through her body 487 00:24:41,106 --> 00:24:43,483 and then this rigidity and she could barely move. 488 00:24:43,566 --> 00:24:45,610 But she caught the attention of some staff. 489 00:24:45,735 --> 00:24:48,405 And she said, "He put something in my I.V." 490 00:24:48,488 --> 00:24:50,031 We believe it was probably succinylcholine. 491 00:24:50,115 --> 00:24:51,908 Holstege: Succinylcholine -- it is a paralytic. 492 00:24:52,033 --> 00:24:54,619 This causes every muscle in the body to stop working. 493 00:24:54,744 --> 00:24:56,162 You can't move anything. 494 00:24:56,246 --> 00:24:58,581 {\an8}They're completely cognizant during that time period. 495 00:24:58,665 --> 00:25:00,333 {\an8}They know exactly what's going on. 496 00:25:00,417 --> 00:25:02,085 {\an8}And then they also realize they can't breathe. 497 00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:04,921 A terrifying experience. 498 00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:07,257 McCarthy: The nurse took the I.V. bag down, 499 00:25:07,340 --> 00:25:09,259 threw it out, started another one, 500 00:25:09,342 --> 00:25:12,303 and basically saved those two lives, the baby and the mom. 501 00:25:12,429 --> 00:25:15,598 And at that point, there was an investigation, 502 00:25:15,682 --> 00:25:18,601 and he was suspended from working in the hospital. 503 00:25:18,685 --> 00:25:22,439 And he hired an attorney to fight his suspension 504 00:25:22,564 --> 00:25:23,815 from the hospital. 505 00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:25,650 Coltart: I then started representing him 506 00:25:25,775 --> 00:25:30,530 {\an8}and seeing these bizarre allegations leveled against him. 507 00:25:30,613 --> 00:25:31,990 I then said to him, 508 00:25:32,115 --> 00:25:34,367 "Well, I need to see your professional qualifications 509 00:25:34,451 --> 00:25:38,121 to prove that you are a competent doctor," 510 00:25:38,246 --> 00:25:41,541 and that was never forthcoming. 511 00:25:41,624 --> 00:25:47,047 And I kept asking him, and he gave a variety of excuses 512 00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:48,423 to such an extent that, 513 00:25:48,506 --> 00:25:51,426 by the time we got to the labor hearing, 514 00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:57,265 I was starting to question the veracity of what he was saying. 515 00:25:57,349 --> 00:25:59,434 Jordan: The FBI learned that, during the two years 516 00:25:59,517 --> 00:26:01,686 that Dr. Michael Swango lived in Africa, 517 00:26:01,811 --> 00:26:05,148 he not only worked for, but also volunteered at 518 00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:08,735 several hospitals throughout Zimbabwe, 519 00:26:08,818 --> 00:26:10,320 and the alleged misdeeds were not 520 00:26:10,403 --> 00:26:13,490 just happening inside hospital walls. 521 00:26:13,573 --> 00:26:15,992 Neer: Here's a guy who has been poisoning people 522 00:26:16,076 --> 00:26:17,994 around the United States and now in Africa. 523 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,831 McCarthy: He showed himself to use arsenic in the Quincy case, 524 00:26:21,915 --> 00:26:23,333 so right away, you know that's something 525 00:26:23,458 --> 00:26:25,168 you're always gonna have to look for. 526 00:26:25,251 --> 00:26:26,586 Neer: We found five girlfriends. 527 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:29,798 We asked them, "You know, when you were with him, 528 00:26:29,881 --> 00:26:31,424 did you ever get sick?" 529 00:26:31,508 --> 00:26:35,261 And one by one they all went, "Wait a minute. Oh, my God." 530 00:26:35,345 --> 00:26:37,430 And they realized they had the same symptoms 531 00:26:37,514 --> 00:26:39,933 as Brent Unmisig and all these others 532 00:26:40,016 --> 00:26:43,478 that were poisoned with arsenic. 533 00:26:43,561 --> 00:26:45,146 Jordan: At the end of their investigation, 534 00:26:45,230 --> 00:26:46,815 Zimbabwe authorities had uncovered 535 00:26:46,898 --> 00:26:48,608 enough evidence of poisoning 536 00:26:48,692 --> 00:26:53,488 to charge Dr. Michael Swango with five counts of murder. 537 00:26:53,571 --> 00:26:56,324 And at this time, the Africans had put out 538 00:26:56,408 --> 00:26:58,076 to several countries a warning about him 539 00:26:58,201 --> 00:26:59,202 so he couldn't get hired in a hospital. 540 00:26:59,327 --> 00:27:00,578 McCarthy: The word was out. 541 00:27:00,704 --> 00:27:04,624 He had a feeling his time in Africa was done. 542 00:27:04,708 --> 00:27:07,252 Neer: When the border officials came to arrest him, 543 00:27:07,377 --> 00:27:10,380 he literally climbed out a window and escaped. 544 00:27:10,505 --> 00:27:12,632 And the next thing you know, he's on a plane. 545 00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:16,011 This guy knew exactly when to leave. 546 00:27:16,094 --> 00:27:18,179 {\an8}He returned to the United States. 547 00:27:18,263 --> 00:27:19,848 Neer: 'Cause he wasn't coming back in the United States 548 00:27:19,931 --> 00:27:21,182 to live in the United States. 549 00:27:21,266 --> 00:27:23,518 He was coming back in to get back out. 550 00:27:23,601 --> 00:27:27,230 Turns out, he was on his way to Saudi Arabia. 551 00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:30,734 Valery: He had gotten a job in Saudi Arabia. 552 00:27:30,859 --> 00:27:36,072 And before he could go, he had to have a U.S. visa. 553 00:27:36,197 --> 00:27:38,074 Neer: The requirement was that he could not get 554 00:27:38,199 --> 00:27:39,784 a work visa in another country. 555 00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:42,245 He had to get it in the country where he lived. 556 00:27:42,370 --> 00:27:46,583 If he hadn't returned, I'm not sure what would've happened 557 00:27:46,708 --> 00:27:48,126 in that point in time. 558 00:27:48,251 --> 00:27:50,462 He would've killed more people in Saudi Arabia. 559 00:27:50,587 --> 00:27:53,465 That's what would've happened. I just -- 560 00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:57,010 I think as long as he was in a medical facility, 561 00:27:57,093 --> 00:27:58,720 he was gonna kill people. 562 00:27:58,803 --> 00:28:03,808 {\an8}♪♪ 563 00:28:03,933 --> 00:28:09,272 {\an8}♪♪ 564 00:28:11,566 --> 00:28:14,110 {\an8}Jordan: After more than four years as a fugitive, 565 00:28:14,235 --> 00:28:17,364 {\an8}Dr. Michael Swango is finally captured and arrested 566 00:28:17,447 --> 00:28:20,075 {\an8}on a federal count for perjury. 567 00:28:21,951 --> 00:28:24,412 Reporter #4: In 1998, Swango is convicted 568 00:28:24,537 --> 00:28:25,830 of making false statements 569 00:28:25,914 --> 00:28:27,999 in connection with his employment 570 00:28:28,083 --> 00:28:29,918 at the Northport V.A. hospital. 571 00:28:30,001 --> 00:28:34,005 {\an8}There in New York, he wasn't on trial for the murders. 572 00:28:34,089 --> 00:28:36,925 {\an8}He pled guilty to the perjury charge. 573 00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:38,385 Neer: Everyone's watched those old movies 574 00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:40,303 about Al Capone as the mobster 575 00:28:40,428 --> 00:28:43,515 who orchestrated the murders of hundreds of people. 576 00:28:43,598 --> 00:28:46,017 {\an8}And what did they get him on? Income-tax evasion. 577 00:28:46,101 --> 00:28:48,395 It doesn't matter how you get him. You got to get him. 578 00:28:48,478 --> 00:28:52,857 The important thing was to keep him incarcerated. 579 00:28:52,941 --> 00:28:55,694 He was convicted, and he got three and a half years 580 00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:58,113 in federal prison. 581 00:28:58,238 --> 00:29:00,448 {\an8}So the government had a ticking clock 582 00:29:00,532 --> 00:29:03,952 {\an8}to bring murder charges against him to put him away for life 583 00:29:04,035 --> 00:29:06,788 {\an8}and had to make the case in that period of time. 584 00:29:06,913 --> 00:29:10,041 {\an8}We had 36 months to try and prove one homicide 585 00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:11,793 {\an8}somewhere in the United States. 586 00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:13,837 So that's what we set about to do. 587 00:29:13,962 --> 00:29:16,339 Gardner: I do remember walking out of the courtroom 588 00:29:16,464 --> 00:29:18,967 and turning to the agents and saying to them, 589 00:29:19,050 --> 00:29:21,469 "Okay, let's not lose this guy again." 590 00:29:21,594 --> 00:29:23,221 They know they've got a murderer on their hands. 591 00:29:23,304 --> 00:29:25,640 They just got to be able to come up with the evidence. 592 00:29:25,724 --> 00:29:31,604 {\an8}♪♪ 593 00:29:31,688 --> 00:29:37,360 {\an8}♪♪ 594 00:29:37,485 --> 00:29:41,990 {\an8}When you're dealing with poison, it's very, very hard, 595 00:29:42,115 --> 00:29:44,367 {\an8}because we didn't know if it was there or not. 596 00:29:44,492 --> 00:29:47,829 {\an8}Dongozi: Michael Swango always described poisoning 597 00:29:47,912 --> 00:29:49,164 {\an8}as the perfect crime. 598 00:29:49,289 --> 00:29:51,666 {\an8}"No one will know what they're looking for." 599 00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:53,835 It's like a needle in a haystack. 600 00:29:53,918 --> 00:29:55,795 It was going to be a difficult case. 601 00:29:55,879 --> 00:29:57,505 It was going to be a difficult case. 602 00:29:57,589 --> 00:30:00,800 Reporter #5: In 1993, Dr. Michael Swango worked 603 00:30:00,884 --> 00:30:02,969 at a veterans' hospital in New York state, 604 00:30:03,053 --> 00:30:05,305 where he had access to every patient. 605 00:30:05,388 --> 00:30:07,015 {\an8}That made it very difficult for us 606 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:11,353 {\an8}because we literally had to review every medical record 607 00:30:11,436 --> 00:30:14,564 {\an8}of every inpatient at the hospital 608 00:30:14,689 --> 00:30:16,524 {\an8}at that particular time. 609 00:30:16,608 --> 00:30:18,693 {\an8}So we assembled this team. 610 00:30:18,818 --> 00:30:20,111 {\an8}We had Dr. Michael Baden, 611 00:30:20,195 --> 00:30:23,656 {\an8}we had nurses that are trained in forensics, 612 00:30:23,740 --> 00:30:25,617 and then we had a toxicologist. 613 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,495 His name was Fred Rieders. 614 00:30:28,578 --> 00:30:31,539 And they pored through hundreds and hundreds 615 00:30:31,623 --> 00:30:32,957 and hundreds of files 616 00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:37,003 to determine if these patients expired, 617 00:30:37,087 --> 00:30:40,799 not as a result of their unnatural disease processes, 618 00:30:40,882 --> 00:30:43,760 but unexpectedly. 619 00:30:43,885 --> 00:30:48,807 And these experts narrowed it down to about three patients 620 00:30:48,890 --> 00:30:52,686 that they thought died unexpectedly. 621 00:30:52,769 --> 00:30:54,938 It's not in the charts, 622 00:30:55,063 --> 00:30:59,442 but either Swango was there or Swango was in the room 623 00:30:59,567 --> 00:31:02,320 shortly before there was a code called 624 00:31:02,404 --> 00:31:05,573 or he had dialogue with the family. 625 00:31:05,657 --> 00:31:09,452 So Swango would be the last person to go in that room. 626 00:31:09,577 --> 00:31:13,123 He would walk out, and sometimes later the person was dead. 627 00:31:16,334 --> 00:31:18,962 The three patients identified at the V.A. hospital 628 00:31:19,087 --> 00:31:21,673 were Thomas Sammarco, 629 00:31:21,756 --> 00:31:26,761 Aldo Serini, and George Siano. 630 00:31:26,886 --> 00:31:28,138 Conroy: My stepdad, 631 00:31:28,263 --> 00:31:31,599 he went to the Korean War when he was like 16. 632 00:31:31,683 --> 00:31:34,436 {\an8}He didn't speak too much about it. 633 00:31:34,519 --> 00:31:35,603 He wasn't feeling well, 634 00:31:35,687 --> 00:31:38,106 and so they took him to the V.A. hospital, 635 00:31:38,231 --> 00:31:40,692 and they found out that he had lymphoma. 636 00:31:40,775 --> 00:31:44,529 We went to visit him, and he was in terrible pain. 637 00:31:44,612 --> 00:31:47,782 We had asked the nurse if there was anything 638 00:31:47,866 --> 00:31:49,367 that they can give him for pain. 639 00:31:49,451 --> 00:31:51,786 And she said, "Let me speak to the doctor." 640 00:31:51,911 --> 00:31:53,997 And that's when I met Dr. Swango, 641 00:31:54,122 --> 00:31:57,876 and he said that he would give him something for pain. 642 00:31:57,959 --> 00:32:00,170 I never asked him what it was. 643 00:32:01,755 --> 00:32:05,425 And then I got the phone call that he had passed. 644 00:32:07,635 --> 00:32:11,056 We never even thought of having an autopsy. 645 00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:13,475 The problem was, those are complex cases 646 00:32:13,558 --> 00:32:15,143 that take a lot of time, 647 00:32:15,268 --> 00:32:17,312 and so there's a lot of things that have to be proven. 648 00:32:17,437 --> 00:32:20,565 And the time was ticking away. 649 00:32:20,648 --> 00:32:23,318 Reporter #6: Dr. Michael Swango is currently serving time 650 00:32:23,401 --> 00:32:24,903 in an Oregon federal penitentiary 651 00:32:24,986 --> 00:32:26,988 for making false statements to get a job 652 00:32:27,072 --> 00:32:28,656 at a Long Island hospital. 653 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:32,160 With good behavior, he'll be transferred to a halfway house. 654 00:32:32,285 --> 00:32:33,870 Jordan: In order to build their case 655 00:32:33,995 --> 00:32:35,455 before Swango was released from prison, 656 00:32:35,538 --> 00:32:37,665 investigators needed actual proof 657 00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:39,876 that the three veterans had been poisoned. 658 00:32:40,001 --> 00:32:43,880 So they had to ask the families if they had permission 659 00:32:44,005 --> 00:32:46,675 to exhume the bodies of their loved ones 660 00:32:46,758 --> 00:32:49,427 and test the tissue for toxins. 661 00:32:49,511 --> 00:32:52,013 I couldn't believe I was getting this phone call. 662 00:32:52,138 --> 00:32:54,599 {\an8}Tom said they have reason to believe 663 00:32:54,683 --> 00:32:58,812 {\an8}that my father's death was not natural causes. 664 00:32:58,895 --> 00:33:00,188 He was poisoned. 665 00:33:00,271 --> 00:33:02,857 It started to fall into place. 666 00:33:02,982 --> 00:33:07,320 That's the doctor that he was talking about, Michael Swango. 667 00:33:07,404 --> 00:33:09,906 And then we all felt very guilty 668 00:33:10,031 --> 00:33:13,618 'cause we didn't believe my father. 669 00:33:13,702 --> 00:33:18,206 And they believed that two drugs were involved here. 670 00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:20,834 One drug is called epinephrine. 671 00:33:20,917 --> 00:33:22,210 Holstege: Epinephrine is a stimulant. 672 00:33:22,293 --> 00:33:24,004 A very large dose of epinephrine 673 00:33:24,087 --> 00:33:26,047 can make your blood pressure go very high, 674 00:33:26,172 --> 00:33:27,716 {\an8}it can make your heart rate go very high, 675 00:33:27,841 --> 00:33:31,511 {\an8}it can cause you to have a hemorrhage in your brain, 676 00:33:31,594 --> 00:33:35,306 and certainly you can get to a dose that can kill somebody. 677 00:33:35,390 --> 00:33:37,434 Sackman: And the other drug is called succinylcholine. 678 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,561 Unmisig: It's a very quick-acting paralytic, 679 00:33:39,644 --> 00:33:42,689 and it paralyzes you and you can't breathe. 680 00:33:42,772 --> 00:33:46,901 And the big question is, are you gonna be able to find 681 00:33:46,985 --> 00:33:51,364 these poisons in embalmed tissue? 682 00:33:51,448 --> 00:33:54,951 Valery: And going down to the 11th hour, 683 00:33:55,076 --> 00:33:57,495 there was not an answer. 684 00:33:57,579 --> 00:34:01,916 Let's assume we missed the deadline and he was out? 685 00:34:02,042 --> 00:34:03,877 I didn't want to miss that mark, because if I missed that mark, 686 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,047 I was not gonna find him again, not for a long time. 687 00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:09,841 But toxicology is everything in this case. 688 00:34:09,924 --> 00:34:12,385 Back in the '80s and early '90s, 689 00:34:12,469 --> 00:34:16,806 you didn't have the forensic-analysis tools 690 00:34:16,931 --> 00:34:19,184 that are at our avail today. 691 00:34:19,267 --> 00:34:21,728 Lynch: Scientific testing has advanced to a point, 692 00:34:21,811 --> 00:34:24,689 {\an8}where scientists are able to make determinations 693 00:34:24,773 --> 00:34:28,651 {\an8}of the presence of various substances in the body, 694 00:34:28,777 --> 00:34:30,445 {\an8}specifically in tissue, 695 00:34:30,570 --> 00:34:33,156 {\an8}that they weren't able to back in 1993. 696 00:34:33,281 --> 00:34:34,616 Valery: In the first victim, George Siano, 697 00:34:34,741 --> 00:34:38,078 we found a drug called epinephrine. 698 00:34:38,161 --> 00:34:39,579 In Thomas Sammarco, 699 00:34:39,662 --> 00:34:43,541 we found a drug that is called succinylcholine. 700 00:34:43,625 --> 00:34:46,336 That is why we decided to move forward 701 00:34:46,461 --> 00:34:48,046 and charge him with the murders. 702 00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:50,423 But would the charge come in time? 703 00:34:50,507 --> 00:34:53,635 Michael Swango's prison sentence was coming to an end. 704 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,471 And he was within a week or two of being released. 705 00:34:56,554 --> 00:34:58,890 Reporter #6: Swango was days away from freedom. 706 00:34:58,973 --> 00:35:03,186 His current prison term set to expire on July 15th. 707 00:35:03,311 --> 00:35:04,813 McCarthy: I can't let this guy go. 708 00:35:04,896 --> 00:35:06,481 To let him go would be like allowing a hurricane 709 00:35:06,564 --> 00:35:08,483 that you could stop hit a major east-coast city. 710 00:35:08,566 --> 00:35:10,485 If he gets out, people are gonna die. 711 00:35:10,568 --> 00:35:19,661 {\an8}♪♪ 712 00:35:22,247 --> 00:35:25,750 {\an8}Lynch: Michael Swango was, at one point in time, a doctor. 713 00:35:25,875 --> 00:35:28,211 {\an8}But instead of using his medical license to become 714 00:35:28,294 --> 00:35:33,675 {\an8}a healer, Swango embarked upon a career as a killer. 715 00:35:33,758 --> 00:35:36,052 {\an8}Jordan: Just days before Dr. Michael Swango 716 00:35:36,136 --> 00:35:39,681 {\an8}was to be released from prison on the perjury charges, 717 00:35:39,764 --> 00:35:44,185 {\an8}prosecutors were able to indict him for murder. 718 00:35:44,269 --> 00:35:47,147 {\an8}The FBI went to share that news with him 719 00:35:47,272 --> 00:35:51,943 {\an8}and to let Michael Swango know that he had a decision to make. 720 00:35:54,946 --> 00:35:57,907 {\an8}Neer: We had the cases together for New York, 721 00:35:57,991 --> 00:35:59,951 {\an8}and so we went out to talk to him. 722 00:36:00,035 --> 00:36:02,412 And we said, "We're just here to tell you something." 723 00:36:02,495 --> 00:36:05,081 And he seemed surprised, and we said, 724 00:36:05,165 --> 00:36:08,960 "What we're here to tell you is that you're smart. 725 00:36:09,044 --> 00:36:11,963 You've gotten away with a lot of murders, 726 00:36:12,088 --> 00:36:15,216 and we may have the murder cases in New York, 727 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:18,470 but we definitely have the murder cases in Africa." 728 00:36:18,553 --> 00:36:21,431 Jordan: Dr. Michael Swango had already been indicted 729 00:36:21,514 --> 00:36:23,975 for five murders in Zimbabwe, Africa. 730 00:36:24,059 --> 00:36:27,354 And the punishment there -- death by hanging. 731 00:36:27,479 --> 00:36:31,983 There's a treaty between Zimbabwe and the United States. 732 00:36:32,067 --> 00:36:33,818 McCarthy: An extradition treaty, which had just been 733 00:36:33,943 --> 00:36:35,737 {\an8}put into effect by the U.S. government 734 00:36:35,820 --> 00:36:37,280 {\an8}and the government of Zimbabwe. 735 00:36:37,364 --> 00:36:40,909 Neer: And Jim handed the ratification over to Swango. 736 00:36:40,992 --> 00:36:43,119 McCarthy: His face changed. He went pale. 737 00:36:43,203 --> 00:36:44,746 Neer: And we said, "You know what we'll do, Mike, 738 00:36:44,829 --> 00:36:46,831 is we'll go over there. 739 00:36:46,956 --> 00:36:48,708 Maybe you'll beat the charges, maybe you won't. 740 00:36:48,833 --> 00:36:52,087 It gives us extra time to finesse our cases here." 741 00:36:52,170 --> 00:36:54,005 But he said, "No, you know the only way 742 00:36:54,089 --> 00:36:56,758 I'm coming back from Africa is in a body bag." 743 00:36:56,841 --> 00:36:58,677 {\an8}Well, that convinced him in pretty short order 744 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,137 {\an8}that he should plead guilty and avoid a trial. 745 00:37:01,221 --> 00:37:03,181 McCarthy: He thought he'd be hanged pretty quickly 746 00:37:03,306 --> 00:37:04,516 once he reached Zimbabwe, 747 00:37:04,641 --> 00:37:06,351 and he was looking to make a deal. 748 00:37:06,476 --> 00:37:08,520 So he basically said that he would plead guilty 749 00:37:08,645 --> 00:37:12,232 if we took Africa off the table, the death penalty off the table, 750 00:37:12,357 --> 00:37:16,486 and he got to serve his time in a secure location. 751 00:37:16,569 --> 00:37:17,737 Jordan: In the agreement, 752 00:37:17,862 --> 00:37:19,447 Michael Swango would plead guilty 753 00:37:19,531 --> 00:37:22,450 to the three murders at the V.A. hospital in New York 754 00:37:22,534 --> 00:37:24,494 and also to the murder 755 00:37:24,577 --> 00:37:27,622 of 19-year-old Cindy McGee in Ohio. 756 00:37:30,125 --> 00:37:33,878 The first sentencing was out on Long Island, 757 00:37:33,962 --> 00:37:36,214 and, of course, the families are there. 758 00:37:36,297 --> 00:37:38,258 {\an8}I remember when he was brought before the judge 759 00:37:38,383 --> 00:37:40,635 {\an8}and when we were all there and they sentenced him. 760 00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:45,932 Swango gets up and he stands up at attention like an ex-Marine. 761 00:37:46,057 --> 00:37:47,642 McCarthy: And he admits to the judge, 762 00:37:47,726 --> 00:37:49,102 "This veteran, I gave him a substance 763 00:37:49,227 --> 00:37:50,895 I knew would kill him and did so anyway." 764 00:37:51,021 --> 00:37:52,564 Sackman: "I poisoned these people." 765 00:37:52,689 --> 00:37:54,441 He ran through the whole thing. 766 00:37:54,566 --> 00:37:57,402 What everybody thought for 20 years was now proven. 767 00:37:57,485 --> 00:37:59,779 He is a serial killer. 768 00:37:59,904 --> 00:38:06,286 {\an8}He enjoyed sitting on Tom Sammarco's radiator, 769 00:38:06,411 --> 00:38:07,704 {\an8}watching him code. 770 00:38:07,787 --> 00:38:09,039 {\an8}I was furious at that. 771 00:38:09,122 --> 00:38:11,291 {\an8}I'm still furious when I think about him. 772 00:38:11,416 --> 00:38:12,709 {\an8}I really am. 773 00:38:12,792 --> 00:38:14,961 {\an8}He just didn't have any remorse in his face. 774 00:38:15,086 --> 00:38:17,922 {\an8}He took great joy in saying, "Oh, I have bad news for you, 775 00:38:18,048 --> 00:38:19,799 {\an8}but your father died." 776 00:38:19,924 --> 00:38:21,468 That was part of his joy. 777 00:38:21,593 --> 00:38:23,678 He destroyed us. He really did. 778 00:38:23,762 --> 00:38:25,680 I just asked him to rot in Hell. 779 00:38:25,764 --> 00:38:33,438 {\an8}♪♪ 780 00:38:33,563 --> 00:38:37,233 {\an8}He did plead guilty to killing Cindy McGee. 781 00:38:37,317 --> 00:38:41,780 {\an8}Dr. Swango was tasked with taking a blood draw, 782 00:38:41,863 --> 00:38:44,074 and he didn't do that. 783 00:38:44,157 --> 00:38:46,951 He gave her a shot of potassium, 784 00:38:47,035 --> 00:38:50,455 which then caused her death due to the cardiac arrest. 785 00:38:50,580 --> 00:38:53,416 Harp: He said he shot a syringe in her chest 786 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:54,876 and killed her immediately. 787 00:38:54,959 --> 00:38:56,294 {\an8}It made you angry. 788 00:38:56,419 --> 00:38:58,713 {\an8}Why would he do something like that? 789 00:38:58,797 --> 00:39:00,215 He didn't know Cindy. 790 00:39:00,298 --> 00:39:03,468 Or was it just an objective for him to kill 791 00:39:03,593 --> 00:39:05,762 as many people as he could? 792 00:39:05,845 --> 00:39:08,181 Gruber: How many innocent people has he killed? 793 00:39:08,306 --> 00:39:11,184 {\an8}How many innocent people has he victimized? 794 00:39:11,309 --> 00:39:15,146 The sad truth is that poisoning is an under-diagnosed crime, 795 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:17,440 and I think that there's probably a lot of people 796 00:39:17,524 --> 00:39:22,362 that have been poisoned and died and nobody ever suspected it. 797 00:39:22,487 --> 00:39:24,739 Jordan: Investigators believed that every person 798 00:39:24,823 --> 00:39:26,366 around Michael Swango 799 00:39:26,491 --> 00:39:29,202 could have been a potential target, 800 00:39:29,327 --> 00:39:32,414 like in the case of Michael Swango's former fiancée, 801 00:39:32,497 --> 00:39:35,250 Kristin Kinney, known as K.K. 802 00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:38,378 Shortly after she and Swango left South Dakota, 803 00:39:38,503 --> 00:39:41,339 they broke up, and she committed suicide. 804 00:39:41,464 --> 00:39:45,969 {\an8}I got a phone call from my charge nurse at the hospital, 805 00:39:46,052 --> 00:39:49,097 {\an8}and she said, "K.K. killed herself," 806 00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:52,308 and I just burst into tears. 807 00:39:52,392 --> 00:39:55,520 Sackman: The family kept a lock of her hair, 808 00:39:55,603 --> 00:39:57,439 and we had that lock tested. 809 00:39:57,522 --> 00:39:59,399 It was loaded with arsenic. 810 00:39:59,524 --> 00:40:03,695 So he'd been poisoning her for quite some time, too. 811 00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:07,991 Cooper: At the very least, he seems to be a sick man. 812 00:40:08,074 --> 00:40:11,828 {\an8}At the very most, he's the epitome of evil. 813 00:40:11,911 --> 00:40:13,455 Sackman: He was sentenced to life imprisonment 814 00:40:13,538 --> 00:40:15,540 without the possibility of parole for the murders 815 00:40:15,623 --> 00:40:17,167 that he pled guilty to. 816 00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:19,210 McCarthy: And, if he ever gets out, 817 00:40:19,294 --> 00:40:21,212 he still has to go back to Zimbabwe. 818 00:40:21,338 --> 00:40:30,805 {\an8}♪♪ 819 00:40:30,889 --> 00:40:34,726 Unmisig: Where he's at, he's in with the worst of the worst. 820 00:40:34,851 --> 00:40:36,519 {\an8}So the FBI labels him 821 00:40:36,603 --> 00:40:38,855 {\an8}as being one of the most dangerous individuals. 822 00:40:38,938 --> 00:40:43,485 {\an8}I think that describes how dangerous Swango is to society. 823 00:40:43,568 --> 00:40:48,615 {\an8}He was brilliant, charming, and a diabolical killer. 824 00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:53,078 {\an8}I know that Michael has only been convicted of four murders. 825 00:40:53,161 --> 00:40:55,872 {\an8}He contends that there are hundreds. 826 00:40:55,955 --> 00:40:57,457 {\an8}He says... 827 00:41:06,091 --> 00:41:09,552 Valery: It had nothing to do with veterans. 828 00:41:09,636 --> 00:41:13,181 It had nothing to do with age. 829 00:41:13,264 --> 00:41:17,602 It had nothing to do with illnesses. 830 00:41:17,686 --> 00:41:19,479 He liked to kill. 831 00:41:21,356 --> 00:41:27,278 {\an8}♪♪ 832 00:41:27,362 --> 00:41:29,989 Michael Swango is serving four life sentences 833 00:41:30,115 --> 00:41:31,616 with no chance of parole. 834 00:41:31,741 --> 00:41:33,118 Authorities say they don't know how many people 835 00:41:33,201 --> 00:41:34,703 Swango has murdered 836 00:41:34,786 --> 00:41:38,581 {\an8}but believe the body count could be as many as 60 worldwide. 837 00:41:38,665 --> 00:41:41,418 {\an8}Retired FBI agents Tom Neer and James McCarthy 838 00:41:41,501 --> 00:41:44,004 {\an8}regularly visit with him in prison in the hopes 839 00:41:44,129 --> 00:41:47,132 {\an8}he will reveal information about other victims. 840 00:41:47,215 --> 00:41:49,509 {\an8}HLN reached out to Swango for comment. 841 00:41:49,634 --> 00:41:52,345 {\an8}He did respond, but he would not answer questions 842 00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:56,766 {\an8}about any additional crimes for fear of further prosecution. 843 00:41:56,850 --> 00:41:57,976 {\an8}I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 844 00:41:58,059 --> 00:42:00,478 {\an8}Thanks for watching. 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