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Welcome to "Very Scary People."
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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Robert Durst is a wealthy heir
to a billion-dollar fortune.
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He's best known
for his connection
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to three bizarre and highly
publicized incidents --
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his wife's sudden disappearance,
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his neighbor's violent death,
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and his best friend's murder.
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Durst has been described
as a man
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of stunning contradictions,
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who left a world of power
and privilege
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to live life in the shadows.
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His story is complicated,
mysterious,
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and, at times, truly scary.
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Here's part 1
of "Robert Durst,"
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"The World's Worst Fugitive."
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{\an8}Putnal:
It's an isolated area of Galveston.
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{\an8}It was the remnants of maybe
an old pier or dock.
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{\an8}Criss:
A man and his son are fishing.
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{\an8}And the son sees a bag wash up.
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{\an8}The son said, "Hey, Dad,
look at this."
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{\an8}Criss:
The bag had a torso in it.
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Putnal:
We sent our dive team out.
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We recovered additional bags
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that contained
the legs and the arms.
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{\an8}But there's no head.
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{\an8}If the head was in the water,
we would've found it,
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{\an8}and it was not in that water.
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{\an8}It takes a special kind of evil
to have it within you,
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the ability to actually
cut a body up.
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{\an8}I've seen a lot of bodies
of people who've been murdered.
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{\an8}This was really chilling.
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And there's a big fear
in the community.
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It's like,
"Is there somebody out here
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who has the entire
community in danger?"
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{\an8}In one of the bags
that the body parts were in
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{\an8}was a newspaper and the
newspaper had an address.
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It immediately led police
to the house on Avenue K
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and they could figure out pretty
quickly who the dead man was.
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Birkbeck:
The guy that lived there was Morris Black.
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{\an8}They go searching
through Black's apartment.
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What we found particularly
interesting --
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when we processed
the scene for blood,
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we found a blood trail leading
from Morris Black's apartment
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to the apartment
across the hall.
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{\an8}So the police quickly
contact the landlord
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{\an8}and they find out that
the identity of the person
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who rents apartment number 2
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is Dorothy Ciner,
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who the landlord described
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as a particularly
unattractive female.
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And, oh, by the way,
she's a deaf-mute.
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Dorothy Ciner indicated she
may not be around consistently.
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{\an8}Neighbors had seen the resident
from apartment 2
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loading garbage bags into his
vehicle the previous day.
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The police went
through the garbage
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in the back of the house.
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{\an8}Putnal:
We found a .22 handgun.
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We believed there was
a strong possibility that
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that .22 handgun was
the murder weapon.
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The police had also found
an appointment slip
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for an eye doctor.
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In the name of Robert Durst.
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{\an8}The police figured out
Dorothy Ciner
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{\an8}is actually Robert Durst.
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The police staked out
the doctor's office
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and, when Bob came,
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they pulled up behind him
and arrested him.
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{\an8}And in the car was
the usual bag of pot
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{\an8}and a gun.
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{\an8}Reporter:
Police recovered a 9-millimeter handgun
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{\an8}and a bow saw from Durst's car.
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Inside his apartment, a pair
of bloody boots and a knife.
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Birkbeck:
The floor was all cut up.
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There had been blood everywhere.
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They take him
down to the station
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and they charge him with murder
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and possession of marijuana.
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{\an8}He definitely has a sick mind,
to be able to dismember a body,
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{\an8}you know, cut off the head
and arms and legs.
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{\an8}Putnal:
He was just another suspect to us.
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{\an8}You know, we had no idea
what his background was.
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And bail is set at $300,000.
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The jailer says something
to him like, "You got it?"
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And he goes,
"Well, not in my pocket."
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They don't have a clue
who they're dealing with, here.
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And he asks
to make a phone call,
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and he does.
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The money was wired.
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He was out the next morning.
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We did not really anticipate
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that he could make
that bond so easily,
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particularly in light
of how he was living,
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where he was living,
and how he carried himself.
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Then, people from New York began
calling the police department,
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to find out if this person was
the same Robert Durst related
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to the Durst Organization
from New York City.
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I'm at my desk
at The New York Times
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and we get a tip
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that Bob Durst had been arrested
for murder in Galveston, Texas.
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And I was shocked.
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I thought, "Could this be
our Bob Durst?!"
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The same Robert Durst whose wife
has been missing for 20 years.
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Putnal:
Now, we're finding out that he was masquerading as a woman
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and he knows how
to chop up a body.
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And that was the first time
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that the people in Galveston
started realizing,
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"Oh, there's even more
to this story."
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When he made bond, he's given
a date for his arraignment,
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where he has to appear
back in court.
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Reporter:
Today, Durst was due in court,
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but didn't show.
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We understood
who Robert Durst was, by then.
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Of course, immediately,
our concerns became his ability
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to escape and flee anywhere
in the world
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because of financial means.
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Immediately, warrants were
issued for his arrest.
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We realized that we had
a fugitive from justice.
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{\an8}After his arrest for the murder
of Morris Black,
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{\an8}Robert Durst goes on the lam.
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{\an8}He's a fugitive from justice.
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{\an8}He jumps bail.
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{\an8}Robert,
if you see this
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{\an8}or hear this,
please come home.
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You're in a very
dangerous situation,
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as a fugitive
in a massive manhunt
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in this country.
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This news is
of particular interest
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to the friends and family
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of Kathie Durst,
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Robert Durst's former wife,
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a woman no one has seen
for more than two decades.
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{\an8}Strauss:
Once I heard she disappeared,
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{\an8}everything Kathie ever said
came back to me.
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{\an8}I think I knew pretty fast
that something bad had happened.
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{\an8}Bob and Kathie, when they met,
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{\an8}they were completely smitten
with each other,
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{\an8}right from the beginning.
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{\an8}She was 19 and she was
a dental assistant
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{\an8}and she rented an apartment
in a Durst-owned building.
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Bagli:
And her roommate bumped into an old friend of Bob's
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and he said, "Oh,
I'm going to a party.
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Would you like to come?"
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Everyone thought it was love
at first sight.
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Mayer:
Kathie was strikingly pretty.
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{\an8}Bob was always a little...
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{\an8}distant.
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They came from very
different worlds.
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Bob came from a world
of privilege,
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and Kathie came
from a small town
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out in Long Island,
blue-collar family.
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It was a fast-moving romance.
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It was really only
the second or third date
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when Bob asked her
to move to Vermont with him
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and open this health food store,
All Good Things.
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Kathie settled into helping
run the store.
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They were just having
a good time.
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People have asked me
what did I think of Bob
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when I first met him?
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{\an8}I've always thought he was shy
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{\an8}and, many times,
he would literally walk away
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{\an8}from a dialogue that was
going on and just be gone.
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He used to burp or light up
a joint in social situations,
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seemingly amused
by people's reactions.
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Kathie's knowledge of who
and what Bob was
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was very limited.
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She just met a guy
that she was attracted to
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and he asked her to come help
run this health food store.
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The Durst family
was actually one
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of New York City's
royal real-estate families.
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They owned about a dozen
skyscrapers in Manhattan.
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And Bob, it was assumed
for many years,
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was the heir apparent to this
vast real-estate empire.
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McCormack:
Kathie was aware of his lack of interest
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in the New York scene,
the business scene.
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I don't think he felt
that he was
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cut out to be
a real-estate icon.
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But, after a couple
of years in Vermont,
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Robert and Kathie
return to New York.
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McCormack:
He was called back to the family business
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and he went kind of reluctantly.
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Kathie and Bob got married
April 12, 1973.
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They keep an apartment
in the city,
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but they also have
a country home
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about an hour
and a half north.
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A breaking point
in the relationship came
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later in the '70s,
when she got pregnant
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and Bob didn't want
to have children
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and he forced her
to have an abortion.
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And that devastated her.
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I think, at that point,
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Kathie embarked
on a more independent path.
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When she finished
nursing school,
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she immediately was applying
to medical school.
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Birkbeck:
Which infuriated him, now.
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He initially wants her
to have a career
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and, now she's working
towards having a career
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and that makes him
really angry, now.
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So, very soon,
Robert and Kathie's marriage
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really began
to spiral downwards.
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We know that she went once
to Jacobi hospital
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for treatment,
for some bruises.
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She didn't tell them
specifically that
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that was her husband.
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Their relationship
becomes so toxic
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that he just completely
cuts her off,
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to where she's begging
for money from her friends.
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As the marriage
was disintegrating,
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Kathie went out
and found a divorce lawyer.
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She didn't want to just
abandon the marriage
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and get out with nothing.
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{\an8}She wasn't that interested
in money,
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{\an8}but I think she wanted enough
to be able
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to finish medical school,
maybe open a practice.
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I think that Bob was afraid
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of what a divorce settlement
would mean,
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in terms of how much money
that he would have to hand over.
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Strauss:
Kathie went through Bob's papers.
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{\an8}♪♪
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She thought she had things
on him
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that she could use
in a divorce.
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Bagli:
Kathie put together a little dossier.
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We don't know exactly
what was in this file,
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but, it had something
to do, possibly,
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with Bob's tax records
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or about the
Durst Organization.
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And then, it got really nasty
'cause then she started
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to threaten him
and the Durst family.
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She had information.
She said she sent it
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to a certain senator
in New York.
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{\an8}♪♪
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She was terrified of what
the repercussions would be.
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Kathie's friends
told the police that,
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in the months
before her disappearance,
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she had been afraid
for her life.
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And, in fact,
her next-door neighbors
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at the apartment
in New York City
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described a very
disturbing incident.
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One night,
she crawled over the divider
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between their two terraces
in her pajamas...
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...and was banging on the window
for them to let her in,
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saying, "He's got a gun."
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{\an8}♪♪
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Katherine stated
that Bob had beat her
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and that he
"wants to kill her.
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She further stated
that he had a gun
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and she was afraid
of being shot."
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By that time, her marriage
was sort of in shambles.
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She said to more
than one person --
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"If anything ever happens
to me, look to Bob."
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Reporter:
Galveston police are convinced
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58-year-old Robert Durst
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killed and dismembered
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his 71-year-old neighbor
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Morris Black.
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{\an8}♪♪
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{\an8}Man:
Right now, we have two outstanding warrants
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{\an8}on Mr. Durst.
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{\an8}Now he's a fugitive
from the law
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{\an8}and the question is,
"Where is he?"
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{\an8}He had the means
to evade detection,
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{\an8}much less prosecution.
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{\an8}He's very good at hiding
the truth,
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{\an8}from as early
as I got to know him.
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{\an8}♪♪
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The first time I was aware
that there was an issue
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was February 4th.
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Bob's on the phone and he goes,
"Jim, this is Bob.
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Have you seen Kathie?"
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And I go, "No.
What do you mean?"
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He goes, "I can't find her."
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{\an8}Kathie Durst is months away
from graduating
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{\an8}from medical school
and she just disappears.
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It wasn't until later
that week that Bobby goes
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into a New York City
police station,
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with his dog,
and reports Kathie missing.
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Bob walked
into the 20th Precinct
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{\an8}and threw his weight around
by throwing down a magazine
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with his father's picture
on the cover.
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It's
"The Men Who Own New York."
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Donald Trump, Helmsley --
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{\an8}there's five men,
all power brokers
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{\an8}in real estate in New York --
and Seymour Durst.
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That was a way to say,
"This is who I am."
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It was to give him
some kind of authority.
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He says,
"I haven't seen my wife
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and she's been missing
for five days
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and I'm wondering if maybe
something happened to her."
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Draper:
He didn't seem particularly alarmed or upset.
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{\an8}He said, instead,
that she had probably
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{\an8}gone off to score drugs.
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Bobby's story was
that they had a fight.
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He drove her
to the train station,
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put her on a train
around 9:00,
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and that was the last
he had seen of her.
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{\an8}At one point,
he said he talked to her
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after she was back
at the apartment.
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The police believe that
she reached New York City
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and that she disappeared
from there.
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Reporter:
Police have been searching the building,
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37 Riverside Drive,
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where the Dursts
occupied a penthouse.
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They say, so far, they have
found no evidence of foul play.
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When the police went
to their apartment building
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to try and determine
what happened to Kathie,
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there was a doorman,
who told them
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that Kathie returned
to the building
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and that he took her up
in the elevator.
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{\an8}♪♪
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And then, there was a doorman
who claimed
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that he saw Kathie leave the
building the following morning.
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{\an8}♪♪
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One other thing was
that someone,
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identifying themselves
as Kathie,
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called the dean of students
the next day
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at her medical school
and said, "I'm Kathie Durst.
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I don't feel well today
and I'm not coming in."
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{\an8}♪♪
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00:17:11,072 --> 00:17:13,408
Good evening. She talked on the
telephone with her husband
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and with a supervisor
at a medical center,
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then, she vanished.
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00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:21,082
No one wanted to listen to us,
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that anything
that happened to Kathie
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happened at their house
in South Salem.
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We think she never got
to New York,
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never went to the train.
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{\an8}♪♪
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Bob did some things
that aroused the suspicion
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of Kathie's friends
and Kathie's family,
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and they became sort of
amateur sleuths,
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00:17:43,271 --> 00:17:46,066
looking for clues
about what happened.
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00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:48,151
{\an8}♪♪
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At some point,
we made a midnight run...
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{\an8}♪♪
368
00:17:53,865 --> 00:17:56,034
...and we took his garbage
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00:17:56,117 --> 00:17:59,788
and we went through it,
piece by piece.
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00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:01,581
{\an8}♪♪
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He was throwing away
her clothes, her books,
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her papers, her makeup.
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{\an8}♪♪
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There was never
a thorough search
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of the house in South Salem.
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00:18:18,306 --> 00:18:19,724
It became clear
to the authorities
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that Robert Durst was certainly
not being very expansive
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00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:28,358
about what could've happened
to his own wife,
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but he maintained
that he had nothing to do
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with her disappearance.
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00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,782
Bagli:
However, a lot of the things that he said
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were quickly disproven.
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{\an8}He told the police that he
dropped her at the station
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{\an8}and came back to my house
for drinks.
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00:18:44,499 --> 00:18:47,502
He did not come to my house
for a drink.
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00:18:47,585 --> 00:18:51,798
He told police that, well,
maybe he didn't have the drink.
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00:18:51,881 --> 00:18:54,342
Maybe he took the dog
for a walk,
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00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,886
found a phone booth
in the driving rain,
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00:18:57,012 --> 00:18:59,139
and called Kathie.
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00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:03,018
He later admitted that none
of those things were true.
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One person who did seem
to know an awful lot
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00:19:06,021 --> 00:19:08,481
was this old friend,
Susan Berman,
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{\an8}who Robert met at UCLA.
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{\an8}Bobby was the friend of whom
she was the most proud,
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00:19:15,447 --> 00:19:17,365
because of his family,
family connections,
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who his family was.
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00:19:18,992 --> 00:19:23,288
Birkbeck:
She was the closest person to Bobby back in 1982.
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She knew everything
that was going on.
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00:19:26,249 --> 00:19:28,043
Bagli:
When Kathie disappeared,
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Susan was his shield,
in dealing with the press.
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00:19:33,423 --> 00:19:37,719
We know this because Susan
called a friend,
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00:19:37,802 --> 00:19:39,471
who recorded the phone call.
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00:19:45,727 --> 00:19:49,898
{\an8}This was only eight or nine days
after Kathie disappeared.
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00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:57,280
{\an8}And she seems to be testing out
different theories
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00:19:57,405 --> 00:19:59,449
{\an8}about what happened to Kathie.
406
00:20:03,411 --> 00:20:08,083
{\an8}It's sort of Harrowing to listen
to the recording today.
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00:20:13,088 --> 00:20:15,382
Today, the authorities believe
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00:20:15,465 --> 00:20:19,135
that the call
to Kathie's medical school
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00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:22,597
was made, not by Kathie,
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00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,975
but by Susan Berman.
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00:20:26,101 --> 00:20:29,396
When I read that someone,
thought to be Kathie,
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called the dean
of the medical school
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00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:34,109
and described every malady
in her body,
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00:20:34,192 --> 00:20:36,444
I thought, "who does that?
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00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:37,779
Susan does that."
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00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:41,950
She had a relationship
with members of the press,
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00:20:42,075 --> 00:20:44,703
of kind of normalizing
Robert Durst.
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00:20:44,786 --> 00:20:49,207
She claims that Bobby
is worried, grief-Stricken,
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00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:51,292
that Kathie hung around
with some bad people,
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00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:55,338
involved in drugs, and that they
needed to be looking there.
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00:20:55,463 --> 00:20:58,049
In the news today,
a reward of $100,000
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00:20:58,133 --> 00:20:59,342
offered by a husband
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00:20:59,467 --> 00:21:01,428
to help find
his missing wife.
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00:21:01,511 --> 00:21:06,099
This was headlines
in the tabloid newspapers
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00:21:06,182 --> 00:21:08,351
and there was a lot
of attention,
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00:21:08,476 --> 00:21:12,772
but, slowly, it peters out
when there were no leads.
427
00:21:12,856 --> 00:21:17,068
The investigation, for the most
part, is actually shut down.
428
00:21:17,152 --> 00:21:19,654
There's very little evidence.
429
00:21:19,738 --> 00:21:22,741
There's no body.
There's no crime scene, even.
430
00:21:22,824 --> 00:21:25,076
He's not charged.
431
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,537
It disappeared
from the headlines.
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It was quiet.
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00:21:28,997 --> 00:21:32,500
The police may have ignored it,
but I didn't forget.
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{\an8}♪♪
435
00:21:39,424 --> 00:21:45,847
{\an8}♪♪
436
00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:48,308
Welcome back
to "Very Scary People."
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Family and friends
were shocked and worried
438
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,104
when Kathie Durst vanished
without a trace.
439
00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:56,191
A cloud of suspicion hung
over Robert Durst.
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00:21:56,274 --> 00:21:58,985
No one ever heard from Kathie
after she disappeared,
441
00:21:59,069 --> 00:22:00,904
but police said there was
not enough evidence
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00:22:01,029 --> 00:22:03,531
to prove a crime
had been committed.
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00:22:03,615 --> 00:22:06,951
Eventually, the story faded
from the headlines.
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00:22:07,077 --> 00:22:09,412
{\an8}♪♪
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00:22:09,496 --> 00:22:14,542
{\an8}Bagli:
Bob, he was working at the family business
446
00:22:14,626 --> 00:22:17,337
{\an8}at the time
that Kathie vanished.
447
00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:21,091
{\an8}His brother Douglas had also
gone into the family business.
448
00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:37,065
There was friction
between him and Douglas
449
00:22:37,148 --> 00:22:40,110
from, probably,
the moment they were born.
450
00:22:40,235 --> 00:22:44,114
I don't think they ever
trusted each other.
451
00:22:44,197 --> 00:22:47,450
Douglas tells a story
that Bob would sometimes come
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00:22:47,534 --> 00:22:51,454
into his office
and pee in the wastebasket
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00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:56,876
and his behavior
was increasingly erratic.
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00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,964
A defining moment for Bob,
and for the Durst family,
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00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:02,716
came in 1950.
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00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:06,553
{\an8}Their mother died
a very tragic death.
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00:23:06,636 --> 00:23:08,471
Birkbeck:
It was a cold night
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00:23:08,555 --> 00:23:10,724
and it was a steep roof
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00:23:10,807 --> 00:23:12,350
and someone saw her out there
460
00:23:12,475 --> 00:23:14,144
and they called
the fire department,
461
00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:17,272
{\an8}and a guy was going up the
ladder to try to get her down.
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00:23:17,355 --> 00:23:21,985
{\an8}
Bagli: And his mother either fell or jumped.
463
00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:27,157
{\an8}Bob always told his friends
that he saw his mother fall,
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00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,495
{\an8}but other family members
would contradict him on that.
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00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:36,499
{\an8}His brother Douglas stated that
all four of the Durst children
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00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:38,418
{\an8}were just whisked
out of the house that night
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00:23:38,501 --> 00:23:41,755
and that none of them
actually saw their mother fall.
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00:23:41,838 --> 00:23:43,506
Bagli:
Robert was the oldest.
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He was about six,
seven years old
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00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:48,011
and the death of his mother
was something
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00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:50,347
that he carried with him
for the rest of his life,
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00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:54,100
sometimes blaming his father
for his mother's problems.
473
00:23:54,184 --> 00:23:56,061
{\an8}♪♪
474
00:23:56,186 --> 00:23:57,896
{\an8}And it led
to a lot of the fighting
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00:23:58,021 --> 00:23:59,856
{\an8}between him and his brother.
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00:23:59,981 --> 00:24:05,111
{\an8}♪♪
477
00:24:05,195 --> 00:24:07,989
At a certain point,
his grandfather
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00:24:08,073 --> 00:24:11,826
encouraged them
to go see a psychiatrist.
479
00:24:11,910 --> 00:24:16,206
{\an8}"It was Dr. Schonfeld's opinion
that Robert's hostility
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00:24:16,331 --> 00:24:19,125
toward his father
and his younger brother
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00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:23,797
was of such intensity
that it might constitute
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00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,968
a deconstructive,
psychodynamic force
483
00:24:29,052 --> 00:24:33,598
sufficient to produce
a personality decomposition."
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00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:35,058
{\an8}♪♪
485
00:24:35,183 --> 00:24:38,228
Birkbeck:
It describes his mental state.
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00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:39,854
This is at 10 years old.
487
00:24:39,938 --> 00:24:46,319
{\an8}♪♪
488
00:24:46,403 --> 00:24:48,571
Going into the 1980s,
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00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:51,741
most people assumed
that Bob, at some point,
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00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:53,785
would take over
the family business.
491
00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:58,206
But, in 1994,
his father and his uncle
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00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:01,292
selected Douglas to become
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00:25:01,418 --> 00:25:03,628
the next head
of the Durst Organization.
494
00:25:03,753 --> 00:25:05,130
{\an8}♪♪
495
00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:08,508
{\an8}Bob, according to his friends,
was just devastated.
496
00:25:08,591 --> 00:25:10,593
{\an8}This was a crowning humiliation
497
00:25:10,719 --> 00:25:12,595
{\an8}for Robert Durst
498
00:25:12,721 --> 00:25:14,139
{\an8}and he began to pull away
499
00:25:14,264 --> 00:25:15,140
{\an8}from the family.
500
00:25:15,265 --> 00:25:17,559
{\an8}Robert has resented them
ever since.
501
00:25:17,642 --> 00:25:21,604
{\an8}♪♪
502
00:25:21,688 --> 00:25:23,898
After he left
the Durst Organization,
503
00:25:23,982 --> 00:25:27,152
he led a very wandering
kind of existence.
504
00:25:27,277 --> 00:25:30,989
Up to that point, he was getting
about $1 million a year,
505
00:25:31,114 --> 00:25:34,909
after taxes,
from the Durst trust
506
00:25:34,993 --> 00:25:39,039
and Kathie's case was nothing
but a memory.
507
00:25:39,122 --> 00:25:40,874
{\an8}♪♪
508
00:25:40,957 --> 00:25:42,834
Birkbeck:
He lived in San Francisco,
509
00:25:42,959 --> 00:25:48,006
in a house in a small town
way up north in California.
510
00:25:48,131 --> 00:25:50,925
He had also taken out,
under different names,
511
00:25:51,009 --> 00:25:52,010
PO boxes.
512
00:25:52,135 --> 00:25:53,470
He's traveling the country,
513
00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:54,846
living amongst the homeless,
514
00:25:54,971 --> 00:25:57,223
stealing people's
identification.
515
00:25:57,307 --> 00:26:02,145
He alternated between living
a lifestyle of extreme poverty
516
00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,814
and a lifestyle of extreme
wealth, from day to day.
517
00:26:24,918 --> 00:26:29,089
Then, about Halloween of 2000,
518
00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:31,716
Bob learns of this
new investigation
519
00:26:31,841 --> 00:26:33,885
into Kathie's disappearance
520
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:38,973
by Westchester County
District Attorney Jeanine Pirro.
521
00:26:39,057 --> 00:26:40,684
Pirro:
I have a lot of questions.
522
00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:45,897
{\an8}It appears that things are not
what they seemed to be in 1982.
523
00:26:46,022 --> 00:26:48,274
A New York state
police investigator found that
524
00:26:48,358 --> 00:26:51,486
those eyewitness reports
that had seen Kathie Durst
525
00:26:51,569 --> 00:26:55,699
at her apartment in New York
were very suspect.
526
00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:57,325
Pirro:
The whole essence of this case was
527
00:26:57,409 --> 00:27:00,537
that Kathleen had boarded
a train from Westchester
528
00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:02,205
and arrived in New York City.
529
00:27:02,288 --> 00:27:04,082
{\an8}Now, we have to question
whether or not
530
00:27:04,207 --> 00:27:06,960
{\an8}she even made it
to New York City.
531
00:27:07,043 --> 00:27:09,713
Birkbeck:
Bob knew, or he was kind of surmising,
532
00:27:09,838 --> 00:27:10,755
what was happening here.
533
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,215
{\an8}There's a new investigation,
534
00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:15,593
{\an8}and he's gonna come
under scrutiny, once again,
535
00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:17,637
{\an8}so, I don't think
there's any question
536
00:27:17,721 --> 00:27:19,180
{\an8}that Bob was in a panic.
537
00:27:19,264 --> 00:27:21,725
{\an8}Birkbeck:
It's 18 years later, now,
538
00:27:21,850 --> 00:27:24,978
{\an8}and what he does is he runs.
539
00:27:25,061 --> 00:27:27,480
{\an8}He goes down to Galveston.
540
00:27:27,564 --> 00:27:31,067
{\an8}Draper:
Galveston is, on the surface, a beach town.
541
00:27:31,192 --> 00:27:34,237
{\an8}It's also a place where people
go to fall between the cracks.
542
00:27:34,362 --> 00:27:36,656
{\an8}If you've never been
to Galveston,
543
00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:38,908
it's kind of a funky place.
544
00:27:38,992 --> 00:27:41,202
Draper:
He moved into Avenue K
545
00:27:41,286 --> 00:27:47,000
and it was nobody's idea
of a millionaire's dwelling.
546
00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:48,084
It's like $300 a month.
547
00:27:48,209 --> 00:27:49,502
He's gonna pay it in advance.
548
00:27:49,586 --> 00:27:50,920
He claims to be a woman
549
00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:53,548
named Dorothy Ciner.
550
00:27:53,631 --> 00:27:56,551
A name, by the way,
which happened to be the name
551
00:27:56,634 --> 00:28:00,764
{\an8}of a former high school
classmate of Durst's,
552
00:28:00,847 --> 00:28:03,433
{\an8}whom he had not
spoken to in decades.
553
00:28:03,558 --> 00:28:05,435
{\an8}♪♪
554
00:28:05,518 --> 00:28:10,190
The spectacle of Dorothy Ciner
was that of, obviously, a man
555
00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:11,941
who was not doing
the world's best job
556
00:28:12,067 --> 00:28:13,610
of impersonating a woman.
557
00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:15,278
{\an8}He wasn't fooling anybody.
558
00:28:15,403 --> 00:28:16,905
Birkbeck:
He's got to be the worst cross-dressers
559
00:28:16,988 --> 00:28:18,323
in cross-dressing history.
560
00:28:18,448 --> 00:28:20,700
They look at him and they know.
This is awful.
561
00:28:20,784 --> 00:28:25,038
Bagli:
Bob always said that he was a pretty poor woman.
562
00:28:25,121 --> 00:28:28,208
He'd light a cigarette
and his hair would go on fire,
563
00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:31,711
so he dressed as a man
most of the time.
564
00:28:31,795 --> 00:28:34,005
He was like a cousin
to the mute woman,
565
00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,341
who sometimes stayed
in the apartment.
566
00:28:36,466 --> 00:28:40,470
{\an8}♪♪
567
00:28:40,595 --> 00:28:44,307
So, he's basically on the run
568
00:28:44,391 --> 00:28:48,144
and kind of waiting out things
to see what happens.
569
00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:50,021
He doesn't know if he's going
to be charged.
570
00:28:50,146 --> 00:28:51,314
He doesn't know
what they've got.
571
00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:56,361
{\an8}♪♪
572
00:29:11,626 --> 00:29:12,669
{\an8}The piece I did for People
573
00:29:12,794 --> 00:29:15,255
{\an8}came out in early
December of 2000.
574
00:29:15,338 --> 00:29:16,756
It was the first national piece.
575
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,675
I had spent maybe
three weeks working
576
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,262
on this particular story
and everyone said to me,
577
00:29:22,345 --> 00:29:24,180
"Matt, you gotta find
Susan Berman.
578
00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:25,640
She's the key."
579
00:29:38,153 --> 00:29:42,323
{\an8}♪♪
580
00:29:42,407 --> 00:29:45,076
Bobby, in the 1960s,
went to UCLA
581
00:29:45,201 --> 00:29:46,327
and he meets Susan
582
00:29:46,411 --> 00:29:50,331
and they just hit it off
immediately.
583
00:29:50,415 --> 00:29:53,209
{\an8}Normal life was not
of much interest to Susan.
584
00:29:53,293 --> 00:29:56,713
{\an8}Everything had to be
larger-than-life.
585
00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:58,298
Enter Robert Durst,
586
00:29:58,381 --> 00:30:01,343
So wealthy, his family
owned Times Square.
587
00:30:01,426 --> 00:30:04,763
And he finds a kindred spirit
in Susan Berman.
588
00:30:04,888 --> 00:30:09,559
She's one of the few people
that he actually confides in.
589
00:30:09,684 --> 00:30:11,353
{\an8}♪♪
590
00:30:11,436 --> 00:30:14,481
Silverman:
Susan was, in her way, magnetic.
591
00:30:14,564 --> 00:30:16,858
There was this
tremendous energy.
592
00:30:16,941 --> 00:30:18,526
She spoke a mile a minute.
593
00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:22,697
Upon introduction to her, she
listed every neurosis she had.
594
00:30:22,781 --> 00:30:26,743
Her father, who was
Davie Berman in Las Vegas.
595
00:30:26,868 --> 00:30:31,539
Silverman:
"Davie the Jew" Berman, he was friends with Bugsy Siegel.
596
00:30:31,623 --> 00:30:34,876
She relished it --
"I'm a gangster's daughter!"
597
00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:37,754
It was a wonderful pedigree,
where Susan was concerned.
598
00:30:37,837 --> 00:30:40,423
{\an8}♪♪
599
00:30:40,507 --> 00:30:42,425
Bagli:
They had something in common.
600
00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:44,886
Bob had lost his mother
at a young age.
601
00:30:44,969 --> 00:30:49,641
Susan had lost both her parents
at a relatively young age,
602
00:30:49,766 --> 00:30:53,937
{\an8}so that really bound them
tightly together.
603
00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,605
{\an8}♪♪
604
00:30:55,689 --> 00:30:58,525
Birkbeck:
That friendship continues on through the '60s.
605
00:30:58,608 --> 00:31:00,860
She moves to New York
in the 1970s.
606
00:31:00,944 --> 00:31:03,279
She was working
on magazine pieces.
607
00:31:03,363 --> 00:31:04,572
They go to all the big clubs.
608
00:31:04,656 --> 00:31:06,408
And so, they became very,
very close.
609
00:31:06,491 --> 00:31:10,495
Susan's career was,
at that point, soaring.
610
00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:12,455
Her memoir was published --
611
00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:14,916
discovering that her father
was a gangster.
612
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,544
When did it dawn on you
that your father was
613
00:31:17,627 --> 00:31:19,504
just not a nice guy
running a business?
614
00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:21,381
Well, I was only 12
when he died, Lee,
615
00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:23,341
and I grew up really
believing I was sort of
616
00:31:23,466 --> 00:31:25,969
from the aristocratic
Las Vegas family.
617
00:31:26,052 --> 00:31:28,805
Bagli:
Susan was, like Bob, a storyteller
618
00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:31,975
and she liked
to embellish stories
619
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:37,439
to make the stories more
interesting, more compelling.
620
00:31:37,522 --> 00:31:39,315
{\an8}Within a year after Kathie
went missing,
621
00:31:39,441 --> 00:31:41,443
{\an8}Susan Berman moved
to Los Angeles
622
00:31:41,526 --> 00:31:44,029
{\an8}to establish herself
as a screenwriter.
623
00:31:44,154 --> 00:31:45,488
But as her life continues on,
624
00:31:45,613 --> 00:31:47,907
she's not a very
successful writer
625
00:31:47,991 --> 00:31:52,078
and she declares bankruptcy
in the 1990s.
626
00:31:52,162 --> 00:31:53,455
Susan was desperate.
627
00:31:53,538 --> 00:31:54,873
She had no money.
628
00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:58,501
By the time that a new
investigation, in 2000,
629
00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:01,463
was looking into the
disappearance of Kathie,
630
00:32:01,546 --> 00:32:03,965
Susan was reaching
out to Bob.
631
00:32:04,049 --> 00:32:05,675
Letting him know that she was
having a hard time
632
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:07,010
and could he help her out?
633
00:32:07,135 --> 00:32:09,679
{\an8}♪♪
634
00:32:09,804 --> 00:32:14,684
At some point, Susan told Bob,
as Bob has related,
635
00:32:14,809 --> 00:32:19,689
that the authorities had reached
out to her and that she said,
636
00:32:19,814 --> 00:32:22,484
"Well, I think it's best
that I talk to them."
637
00:32:22,567 --> 00:32:24,527
What's key to that is
that the police
638
00:32:24,611 --> 00:32:27,364
did not reach out to Susan.
639
00:32:27,447 --> 00:32:29,908
They had yet to call her.
640
00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:31,201
So that was a lie.
641
00:32:31,284 --> 00:32:34,371
But Susan may have had
her own reasons for lying.
642
00:32:34,496 --> 00:32:35,914
{\an8}♪♪
643
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:40,835
Susan, by all accounts,
was very loyal to Bob,
644
00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:45,799
but she may have been
trying to gin Bob up
645
00:32:45,882 --> 00:32:48,385
so that he would definitely
send her the money.
646
00:32:48,468 --> 00:32:50,512
{\an8}♪♪
647
00:32:50,595 --> 00:32:52,764
Susan needed the money to live,
648
00:32:52,889 --> 00:32:57,394
and getting that money
any way that was necessary.
649
00:32:57,477 --> 00:33:00,480
By November of 2000,
650
00:33:00,563 --> 00:33:02,941
Bob had sent her
two checks,
651
00:33:03,066 --> 00:33:05,026
each for $25,000.
652
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:08,571
{\an8}♪♪
653
00:33:08,697 --> 00:33:11,950
And she was telling friends
that she was very excited
654
00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:15,912
'cause Bobby was coming to visit
during the Christmas holidays.
655
00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:28,967
{\an8}♪♪
656
00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:31,261
Susan Berman's dogs,
657
00:33:31,386 --> 00:33:32,762
they had gotten
out of the house
658
00:33:32,846 --> 00:33:35,223
and were running
around the neighborhood.
659
00:33:35,306 --> 00:33:38,435
Bagli:
Her neighbors knew that she would never allow that
660
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,021
and they called the police.
661
00:33:41,104 --> 00:33:42,230
The back door was open.
662
00:33:42,313 --> 00:33:45,859
The front was unlocked.
663
00:33:45,942 --> 00:33:47,736
They find a body
on the floor,
664
00:33:47,819 --> 00:33:50,280
shot in the back of the head.
665
00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:54,617
I remember there was a slug,
not even a headline,
666
00:33:54,743 --> 00:33:56,786
{\an8}"Screenwriter dead."
667
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:58,329
{\an8}♪♪
668
00:33:58,455 --> 00:34:00,081
{\an8}Susan Berman.
669
00:34:00,165 --> 00:34:01,791
{\an8}I froze.
670
00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:03,960
Bagli:
There were no signs of forced entry.
671
00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:06,921
The police assumed
that Susan knew
672
00:34:07,005 --> 00:34:10,133
the person that she let
into the house.
673
00:34:10,258 --> 00:34:13,720
Among Susan's 1,001 phobias
674
00:34:13,803 --> 00:34:16,306
was letting a stranger
into her house.
675
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:18,141
{\an8}♪♪
676
00:34:18,224 --> 00:34:21,978
She would only allow in
people she knew, period.
677
00:34:22,062 --> 00:34:24,981
Bagli:
She was walking towards the bedroom
678
00:34:25,065 --> 00:34:28,651
when whoever she let
into the house
679
00:34:28,735 --> 00:34:31,237
came right up behind her,
put the gun next to her head,
680
00:34:31,321 --> 00:34:33,198
and blew her away.
681
00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:38,119
The thought of Susan
in a pool of blood,
682
00:34:38,203 --> 00:34:39,996
how she loved her dogs.
683
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,415
But just Susan.
Poor Susan.
684
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,752
Bagli:
In the very beginning,
685
00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:49,255
the police were looking
at different suspects.
686
00:34:49,339 --> 00:34:53,927
There was speculation that
this could've been a mob hit.
687
00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:56,346
There had been all this talk
about Susan Berman,
688
00:34:56,471 --> 00:34:58,348
how she was working
on some mob book,
689
00:34:58,473 --> 00:35:00,058
and friends would say, "Oh,
690
00:35:00,183 --> 00:35:02,477
she said she was gonna blow
the lid off of something."
691
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,646
Silverman:
And I just thought, "That's the most ridiculous thing
692
00:35:04,729 --> 00:35:06,773
I've ever read."
693
00:35:06,856 --> 00:35:08,692
The same day
that Susan was killed,
694
00:35:08,775 --> 00:35:11,861
someone had addressed
an envelope
695
00:35:11,986 --> 00:35:14,030
to "Beverley Hills Police,"
696
00:35:14,155 --> 00:35:17,909
and they spelled "Beverly"
incorrectly.
697
00:35:18,034 --> 00:35:21,204
Birkbeck:
It says there's a cadaver
698
00:35:21,329 --> 00:35:23,248
{\an8}and he writes the address
699
00:35:23,373 --> 00:35:25,583
{\an8}and the address was
Susan Berman's home.
700
00:35:25,709 --> 00:35:27,210
{\an8}♪♪
701
00:35:27,293 --> 00:35:30,797
So whoever wrote it didn't want
her body to rot there.
702
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,215
Wanted someone to find it.
703
00:35:32,298 --> 00:35:33,675
{\an8}♪♪
704
00:35:33,758 --> 00:35:35,593
But no one really knows
what's going on here.
705
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,387
A lot of people suspect
Bobby Durst,
706
00:35:37,512 --> 00:35:38,888
and other people don't.
707
00:35:39,014 --> 00:35:41,433
Jeanine Pirro,
the Westchester county DA,
708
00:35:41,558 --> 00:35:45,228
was very suspicious about the
timing of Susan Berman's murder.
709
00:35:45,353 --> 00:35:48,023
{\an8}I think Susan Berman's death
was very significant,
710
00:35:48,106 --> 00:35:49,983
{\an8}in terms of this investigation.
711
00:35:50,066 --> 00:35:53,361
{\an8}She was someone that we
had wanted to speak with.
712
00:35:53,445 --> 00:35:57,073
Bagli:
I went out to Los Angeles to find out what had happened.
713
00:35:57,198 --> 00:36:01,494
I did interview some
of Susan's friends and family
714
00:36:01,578 --> 00:36:04,414
and all of them told me
the same thing --
715
00:36:04,497 --> 00:36:06,249
"Bobby had nothing
to do with this.
716
00:36:06,374 --> 00:36:07,584
Bobby loved Susie.
717
00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,419
Susie loved Bobby."
718
00:36:09,544 --> 00:36:17,135
{\an8}♪♪
719
00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:21,222
{\an8}Two months after Robert Durst
finds out
720
00:36:21,306 --> 00:36:24,142
{\an8}that New York prosecutors
are looking
721
00:36:24,225 --> 00:36:26,895
{\an8}into the disappearance
of his wife Kathie,
722
00:36:26,978 --> 00:36:30,315
{\an8}Susan Berman turns up dead.
723
00:36:30,398 --> 00:36:32,484
{\an8}The fact that Susan was going
724
00:36:32,609 --> 00:36:35,987
{\an8}to be interrogated
by the district attorney
725
00:36:36,071 --> 00:36:38,948
would pose a threat
to someone who felt
726
00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:42,786
she had knowledge that he or she
did not wish to get out there,
727
00:36:42,869 --> 00:36:45,080
{\an8}because Susan just might spill.
728
00:36:45,163 --> 00:36:46,331
{\an8}She was a loose cannon.
729
00:36:46,456 --> 00:36:49,250
{\an8}♪♪
730
00:37:30,792 --> 00:37:35,171
{\an8}♪♪
731
00:37:35,255 --> 00:37:40,218
{\an8}So, Bobby's kind of
laying low in Galveston.
732
00:37:40,343 --> 00:37:42,303
{\an8}He maintained that he had
nothing to do
733
00:37:42,387 --> 00:37:44,723
{\an8}with the disappearance
and presumed death
734
00:37:44,806 --> 00:37:47,017
of his wife Kathie;
735
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,269
or with the murder
of his best friend,
736
00:37:49,394 --> 00:37:51,479
Susan Berman;
but he certainly knew
737
00:37:51,563 --> 00:37:53,732
that people suspected him
of those things.
738
00:37:53,857 --> 00:37:58,403
{\an8}And didn't want anyone to know
that he was in Galveston.
739
00:37:58,486 --> 00:38:00,864
{\an8}It was 10 months
after Susan Berman's murder
740
00:38:00,947 --> 00:38:04,451
{\an8}that Robert Durst was charged
with the murder of Morris Black
741
00:38:04,576 --> 00:38:07,454
{\an8}and subsequently jumped bail.
742
00:38:07,579 --> 00:38:11,207
{\an8}The news is out
that he's now on the run.
743
00:38:11,291 --> 00:38:14,085
{\an8}We'd actually reached out
to "America's Most Wanted."
744
00:38:14,169 --> 00:38:16,880
{\an8}We wanted the Durst case
profiled on that show.
745
00:38:16,963 --> 00:38:23,762
{\an8}♪♪
746
00:38:23,845 --> 00:38:28,558
{\an8}Birkbeck:
He walks into a supermarket and it's on video.
747
00:38:28,641 --> 00:38:30,352
{\an8}He just shoplifts.
748
00:38:30,435 --> 00:38:33,021
{\an8}Hammer:
He was caught by Wegmans store personnel,
749
00:38:33,104 --> 00:38:36,983
{\an8}stealing a sandwich.
750
00:38:37,108 --> 00:38:38,443
{\an8}They also caught him on camera
751
00:38:38,568 --> 00:38:41,321
{\an8}taking Band-Aids
out of a box
752
00:38:41,446 --> 00:38:42,781
{\an8}and putting them
on himself.
753
00:38:42,864 --> 00:38:44,908
{\an8}♪♪
754
00:38:44,991 --> 00:38:47,577
{\an8}The total theft was $9.18.
755
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:49,829
Hammer:
Standard procedure -- he was Patted down.
756
00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:53,750
He had almost $500 in cash
in his pocket.
757
00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:56,252
Morganelli:
The police thought he was agitated.
758
00:38:56,336 --> 00:38:58,546
When they asked him
why he stole this stuff,
759
00:38:58,630 --> 00:39:00,924
he just said,
"Well, I'm just an asshole."
760
00:39:01,007 --> 00:39:03,927
The officer didn't
immediately know who he had.
761
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:06,429
He actually gave his real name,
Robert Durst,
762
00:39:06,513 --> 00:39:09,224
but he gave
a Social Security number
763
00:39:09,307 --> 00:39:11,059
which was not
an accurate number
764
00:39:11,142 --> 00:39:12,477
and then later clarified it
765
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,729
and gave a second
Social Security number.
766
00:39:14,813 --> 00:39:16,481
{\an8}♪♪
767
00:39:16,564 --> 00:39:18,274
And then, the police officer
turns around and says,
768
00:39:18,358 --> 00:39:19,526
"Have you ever been in Texas?"
769
00:39:19,651 --> 00:39:21,069
And Bobby just stopped talking.
770
00:39:21,152 --> 00:39:22,821
He knew he got caught.
771
00:39:22,904 --> 00:39:24,280
A computer check revealed
772
00:39:24,364 --> 00:39:27,325
that Durst was wanted for murder
in Galveston, Texas;
773
00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:29,661
{\an8}is a suspect in Los Angeles;
774
00:39:29,744 --> 00:39:31,705
{\an8}and Westchester County,
New York.
775
00:39:35,834 --> 00:39:38,294
When a search warrant
was executed on his car,
776
00:39:38,378 --> 00:39:40,630
we found $37,000 in cash,
777
00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:42,340
a small amount
of marijuana,
778
00:39:42,424 --> 00:39:43,883
and two more handguns.
779
00:39:44,009 --> 00:39:46,428
He had rented a vehicle,
pretending to be Morris Black.
780
00:39:46,511 --> 00:39:47,429
Putnal:
His head was shaved.
781
00:39:47,512 --> 00:39:49,347
His eyebrows were shaved.
782
00:39:49,431 --> 00:39:52,934
He was clearly an interesting-
looking character.
783
00:39:58,815 --> 00:40:02,193
I was shocked to learn
that he'd been arrested.
784
00:40:04,738 --> 00:40:07,198
The most wealthy man
probably to ever be
785
00:40:07,323 --> 00:40:09,492
in the United States
criminal justice system
786
00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:12,871
was arrested for stealing
a sandwich and Band-Aids.
787
00:40:12,954 --> 00:40:15,290
{\an8}♪♪
788
00:40:37,354 --> 00:40:39,397
It really just belies
or reveals
789
00:40:39,522 --> 00:40:42,150
the true psychology
of Robert Durst,
790
00:40:42,233 --> 00:40:43,735
that he is above the law,
791
00:40:43,818 --> 00:40:46,196
he doesn't have to pay
for anything,
792
00:40:46,279 --> 00:40:47,739
whether it's a murder charge
793
00:40:47,822 --> 00:40:49,532
or whether it's
a chicken sandwich.
794
00:40:49,616 --> 00:40:54,788
{\an8}♪♪
795
00:40:54,913 --> 00:40:56,373
Reporter:
Robert Durst says Morris Black
796
00:40:56,456 --> 00:40:58,625
was accidentally killed
in self-defense.
797
00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:01,169
If Morris Black was here
right now, he'd be saying,
798
00:41:01,252 --> 00:41:03,046
"I'm thinking two words,
799
00:41:03,129 --> 00:41:04,297
and one of them's 'bull'!"
800
00:41:04,422 --> 00:41:06,883
They're saying that Durst
shot Morris Black
801
00:41:06,966 --> 00:41:10,178
dead-center in the back of his head,
802
00:41:10,261 --> 00:41:11,262
{\an8}but you can't say that
803
00:41:11,346 --> 00:41:13,598
{\an8}'cause you don't have the head!
804
00:41:13,682 --> 00:41:15,850
Reporter:
A new, stunning revelation.
805
00:41:15,934 --> 00:41:18,603
I stood up and gasped.
806
00:41:18,687 --> 00:41:22,482
I do want to say
I am not guilty.
807
00:41:22,607 --> 00:41:26,152
{\an8}There is no forensic evidence,
whatsoever, linking Bob
808
00:41:26,277 --> 00:41:27,946
to Mrs. Durst's disappearance
809
00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:29,781
or Ms. Berman's murder.
810
00:41:29,864 --> 00:41:32,283
Anything he does
is pretty much calculated.
811
00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:34,869
That's how cold this man is.
812
00:41:34,953 --> 00:41:41,292
{\an8}♪♪
813
00:41:41,376 --> 00:41:43,086
{\an8}Robert Durst was sent
back to Galveston
814
00:41:43,169 --> 00:41:45,880
{\an8}to stand trial for the
murder of Morris Black.
815
00:41:45,964 --> 00:41:48,633
{\an8}He agreed to testify
before the jury.
816
00:41:48,717 --> 00:41:50,969
{\an8}The details of what happened
to Mr. Black
817
00:41:51,094 --> 00:41:52,971
{\an8}were violent and disturbing.
818
00:41:53,054 --> 00:41:55,473
{\an8}The verdict,
and another shocking twist,
819
00:41:55,598 --> 00:41:58,101
{\an8}in part 2 of "Robert Durst."
820
00:41:58,184 --> 00:41:59,310
{\an8}I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
821
00:41:59,394 --> 00:42:01,354
{\an8}Thanks for watching.
Good night.
822
00:42:01,479 --> 00:42:03,690
{\an8}♪♪
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