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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,988 --> 00:00:39,873 {\an8}♪♪ 2 00:00:39,998 --> 00:00:49,883 {\an8}♪♪ 3 00:00:50,008 --> 00:00:51,760 {\an8}♪♪ 4 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:53,720 Welcome to "Very Scary People." 5 00:00:53,803 --> 00:00:55,347 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 6 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:59,476 Robert Durst is a wealthy heir to a billion-dollar fortune. 7 00:00:59,559 --> 00:01:01,227 He's best known for his connection 8 00:01:01,311 --> 00:01:04,439 to three bizarre and highly publicized incidents -- 9 00:01:04,564 --> 00:01:06,441 his wife's sudden disappearance, 10 00:01:06,566 --> 00:01:08,276 his neighbor's violent death, 11 00:01:08,401 --> 00:01:10,320 and his best friend's murder. 12 00:01:10,403 --> 00:01:11,905 Durst has been described as a man 13 00:01:11,988 --> 00:01:13,448 of stunning contradictions, 14 00:01:13,573 --> 00:01:15,784 who left a world of power and privilege 15 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:17,660 to live life in the shadows. 16 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:19,871 His story is complicated, mysterious, 17 00:01:19,954 --> 00:01:22,457 and, at times, truly scary. 18 00:01:22,582 --> 00:01:24,751 Here's part 1 of "Robert Durst," 19 00:01:24,876 --> 00:01:26,586 "The World's Worst Fugitive." 20 00:01:26,711 --> 00:01:34,928 {\an8}♪♪ 21 00:01:35,053 --> 00:01:38,014 {\an8}♪♪ 22 00:01:38,098 --> 00:01:41,935 {\an8} 23 00:01:42,018 --> 00:01:45,438 {\an8}Putnal: It's an isolated area of Galveston. 24 00:01:45,563 --> 00:01:48,108 {\an8}It was the remnants of maybe an old pier or dock. 25 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:50,443 {\an8}♪♪ 26 00:01:50,568 --> 00:01:51,778 {\an8}Criss: A man and his son are fishing. 27 00:01:51,903 --> 00:01:55,782 {\an8}♪♪ 28 00:01:55,907 --> 00:01:59,494 {\an8}And the son sees a bag wash up. 29 00:01:59,619 --> 00:02:01,621 {\an8}♪♪ 30 00:02:01,705 --> 00:02:04,624 {\an8}The son said, "Hey, Dad, look at this." 31 00:02:04,749 --> 00:02:11,965 {\an8}♪♪ 32 00:02:12,090 --> 00:02:13,800 {\an8}Criss: The bag had a torso in it. 33 00:02:17,345 --> 00:02:18,430 Putnal: We sent our dive team out. 34 00:02:18,513 --> 00:02:20,140 We recovered additional bags 35 00:02:20,223 --> 00:02:23,059 that contained the legs and the arms. 36 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,936 {\an8}♪♪ 37 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:26,021 {\an8}But there's no head. 38 00:02:26,146 --> 00:02:27,564 {\an8}♪♪ 39 00:02:27,647 --> 00:02:30,233 {\an8}If the head was in the water, we would've found it, 40 00:02:30,316 --> 00:02:32,527 {\an8}and it was not in that water. 41 00:02:32,652 --> 00:02:36,239 {\an8}It takes a special kind of evil to have it within you, 42 00:02:36,322 --> 00:02:40,952 the ability to actually cut a body up. 43 00:02:41,036 --> 00:02:44,039 {\an8}I've seen a lot of bodies of people who've been murdered. 44 00:02:44,164 --> 00:02:46,791 {\an8}♪♪ 45 00:02:46,875 --> 00:02:48,168 {\an8}This was really chilling. 46 00:02:48,293 --> 00:02:50,795 {\an8}♪♪ 47 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:52,297 And there's a big fear in the community. 48 00:02:52,380 --> 00:02:54,382 It's like, "Is there somebody out here 49 00:02:54,507 --> 00:02:57,093 who has the entire community in danger?" 50 00:02:57,177 --> 00:02:58,678 {\an8}♪♪ 51 00:02:58,803 --> 00:03:02,724 {\an8}In one of the bags that the body parts were in 52 00:03:02,849 --> 00:03:07,270 {\an8}was a newspaper and the newspaper had an address. 53 00:03:07,354 --> 00:03:11,691 It immediately led police to the house on Avenue K 54 00:03:11,816 --> 00:03:17,447 and they could figure out pretty quickly who the dead man was. 55 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:19,616 Birkbeck: The guy that lived there was Morris Black. 56 00:03:19,699 --> 00:03:23,203 {\an8}They go searching through Black's apartment. 57 00:03:23,286 --> 00:03:24,621 What we found particularly interesting -- 58 00:03:24,704 --> 00:03:26,623 when we processed the scene for blood, 59 00:03:26,706 --> 00:03:29,542 we found a blood trail leading from Morris Black's apartment 60 00:03:29,668 --> 00:03:31,211 to the apartment across the hall. 61 00:03:31,294 --> 00:03:33,254 {\an8}♪♪ 62 00:03:33,380 --> 00:03:36,591 {\an8}So the police quickly contact the landlord 63 00:03:36,716 --> 00:03:39,219 {\an8}and they find out that the identity of the person 64 00:03:39,302 --> 00:03:40,970 who rents apartment number 2 65 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:42,889 is Dorothy Ciner, 66 00:03:42,972 --> 00:03:44,599 who the landlord described 67 00:03:44,724 --> 00:03:48,478 as a particularly unattractive female. 68 00:03:48,561 --> 00:03:52,065 And, oh, by the way, she's a deaf-mute. 69 00:03:52,190 --> 00:03:56,403 Dorothy Ciner indicated she may not be around consistently. 70 00:03:56,528 --> 00:04:00,115 {\an8}Neighbors had seen the resident from apartment 2 71 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,452 loading garbage bags into his vehicle the previous day. 72 00:04:04,577 --> 00:04:05,537 The police went through the garbage 73 00:04:05,620 --> 00:04:08,248 in the back of the house. 74 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:11,501 {\an8}Putnal: We found a .22 handgun. 75 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:13,253 We believed there was a strong possibility that 76 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:17,007 that .22 handgun was the murder weapon. 77 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:18,842 {\an8}♪♪ 78 00:04:18,925 --> 00:04:22,095 The police had also found an appointment slip 79 00:04:22,220 --> 00:04:24,264 for an eye doctor. 80 00:04:24,389 --> 00:04:26,766 In the name of Robert Durst. 81 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:28,935 {\an8}The police figured out Dorothy Ciner 82 00:04:29,019 --> 00:04:30,937 {\an8}is actually Robert Durst. 83 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:34,524 The police staked out the doctor's office 84 00:04:34,607 --> 00:04:36,651 and, when Bob came, 85 00:04:36,776 --> 00:04:39,612 they pulled up behind him and arrested him. 86 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:43,283 {\an8}♪♪ 87 00:04:43,408 --> 00:04:46,244 {\an8}And in the car was the usual bag of pot 88 00:04:46,327 --> 00:04:48,747 {\an8}and a gun. 89 00:04:48,830 --> 00:04:51,207 {\an8}Reporter: Police recovered a 9-millimeter handgun 90 00:04:51,291 --> 00:04:53,668 {\an8}and a bow saw from Durst's car. 91 00:04:53,793 --> 00:04:58,131 Inside his apartment, a pair of bloody boots and a knife. 92 00:04:58,256 --> 00:05:00,008 Birkbeck: The floor was all cut up. 93 00:05:00,133 --> 00:05:01,468 There had been blood everywhere. 94 00:05:01,551 --> 00:05:03,053 They take him down to the station 95 00:05:03,136 --> 00:05:05,096 and they charge him with murder 96 00:05:05,180 --> 00:05:06,806 and possession of marijuana. 97 00:05:06,890 --> 00:05:09,351 {\an8}♪♪ 98 00:05:09,476 --> 00:05:11,978 {\an8}He definitely has a sick mind, to be able to dismember a body, 99 00:05:12,062 --> 00:05:14,564 {\an8}you know, cut off the head and arms and legs. 100 00:05:14,647 --> 00:05:17,025 {\an8}Putnal: He was just another suspect to us. 101 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:19,611 {\an8}♪♪ 102 00:05:19,694 --> 00:05:23,198 {\an8}You know, we had no idea what his background was. 103 00:05:23,323 --> 00:05:26,993 And bail is set at $300,000. 104 00:05:27,077 --> 00:05:30,914 The jailer says something to him like, "You got it?" 105 00:05:30,997 --> 00:05:33,708 And he goes, "Well, not in my pocket." 106 00:05:33,833 --> 00:05:36,211 They don't have a clue who they're dealing with, here. 107 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,922 And he asks to make a phone call, 108 00:05:39,005 --> 00:05:41,383 and he does. 109 00:05:41,508 --> 00:05:43,176 The money was wired. 110 00:05:43,301 --> 00:05:45,011 He was out the next morning. 111 00:05:45,136 --> 00:05:47,514 {\an8}♪♪ 112 00:05:47,639 --> 00:05:48,848 We did not really anticipate 113 00:05:48,973 --> 00:05:51,017 that he could make that bond so easily, 114 00:05:51,101 --> 00:05:53,144 particularly in light of how he was living, 115 00:05:53,228 --> 00:05:55,355 where he was living, and how he carried himself. 116 00:05:55,438 --> 00:05:57,023 {\an8}♪♪ 117 00:05:57,107 --> 00:06:00,360 Then, people from New York began calling the police department, 118 00:06:00,485 --> 00:06:04,989 to find out if this person was the same Robert Durst related 119 00:06:05,073 --> 00:06:08,618 to the Durst Organization from New York City. 120 00:06:08,702 --> 00:06:10,495 I'm at my desk at The New York Times 121 00:06:10,578 --> 00:06:12,747 and we get a tip 122 00:06:12,872 --> 00:06:19,421 that Bob Durst had been arrested for murder in Galveston, Texas. 123 00:06:19,546 --> 00:06:20,672 And I was shocked. 124 00:06:20,755 --> 00:06:23,383 I thought, "Could this be our Bob Durst?!" 125 00:06:23,466 --> 00:06:25,301 {\an8}♪♪ 126 00:06:25,385 --> 00:06:31,391 The same Robert Durst whose wife has been missing for 20 years. 127 00:06:31,474 --> 00:06:35,895 Putnal: Now, we're finding out that he was masquerading as a woman 128 00:06:36,021 --> 00:06:38,565 and he knows how to chop up a body. 129 00:06:38,690 --> 00:06:40,025 And that was the first time 130 00:06:40,108 --> 00:06:42,736 that the people in Galveston started realizing, 131 00:06:42,819 --> 00:06:46,406 "Oh, there's even more to this story." 132 00:06:46,531 --> 00:06:48,950 When he made bond, he's given a date for his arraignment, 133 00:06:49,075 --> 00:06:50,535 where he has to appear back in court. 134 00:06:50,618 --> 00:06:52,203 Reporter: Today, Durst was due in court, 135 00:06:52,287 --> 00:06:53,580 but didn't show. 136 00:06:53,705 --> 00:06:56,207 We understood who Robert Durst was, by then. 137 00:06:56,291 --> 00:06:59,085 Of course, immediately, our concerns became his ability 138 00:06:59,169 --> 00:07:00,754 to escape and flee anywhere in the world 139 00:07:00,879 --> 00:07:03,006 because of financial means. 140 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:06,593 Immediately, warrants were issued for his arrest. 141 00:07:06,676 --> 00:07:09,429 We realized that we had a fugitive from justice. 142 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:14,976 {\an8}♪♪ 143 00:07:16,102 --> 00:07:18,980 {\an8}♪♪ 144 00:07:19,105 --> 00:07:22,776 {\an8}After his arrest for the murder of Morris Black, 145 00:07:22,859 --> 00:07:24,110 {\an8}Robert Durst goes on the lam. 146 00:07:24,194 --> 00:07:26,154 {\an8}He's a fugitive from justice. 147 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:27,155 {\an8}He jumps bail. 148 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,074 {\an8}Robert, if you see this 149 00:07:29,157 --> 00:07:32,118 {\an8}or hear this, please come home. 150 00:07:32,202 --> 00:07:34,954 You're in a very dangerous situation, 151 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,582 as a fugitive in a massive manhunt 152 00:07:37,665 --> 00:07:38,625 in this country. 153 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:40,627 {\an8}♪♪ 154 00:07:40,752 --> 00:07:43,338 This news is of particular interest 155 00:07:43,463 --> 00:07:44,798 to the friends and family 156 00:07:44,881 --> 00:07:46,883 of Kathie Durst, 157 00:07:46,966 --> 00:07:49,636 Robert Durst's former wife, 158 00:07:49,719 --> 00:07:54,099 a woman no one has seen for more than two decades. 159 00:08:13,159 --> 00:08:15,495 {\an8}Strauss: Once I heard she disappeared, 160 00:08:15,578 --> 00:08:18,581 {\an8}everything Kathie ever said came back to me. 161 00:08:18,665 --> 00:08:22,711 {\an8}I think I knew pretty fast that something bad had happened. 162 00:08:22,836 --> 00:08:25,130 {\an8}♪♪ 163 00:08:25,213 --> 00:08:27,048 {\an8}Bob and Kathie, when they met, 164 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:30,010 {\an8}they were completely smitten with each other, 165 00:08:30,135 --> 00:08:32,846 {\an8}right from the beginning. 166 00:08:32,971 --> 00:08:36,057 {\an8}She was 19 and she was a dental assistant 167 00:08:36,182 --> 00:08:38,768 {\an8}and she rented an apartment in a Durst-owned building. 168 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:42,814 Bagli: And her roommate bumped into an old friend of Bob's 169 00:08:42,897 --> 00:08:45,692 and he said, "Oh, I'm going to a party. 170 00:08:45,775 --> 00:08:47,360 Would you like to come?" 171 00:08:47,485 --> 00:08:50,530 Everyone thought it was love at first sight. 172 00:08:50,613 --> 00:08:53,033 Mayer: Kathie was strikingly pretty. 173 00:08:53,116 --> 00:08:55,285 {\an8}Bob was always a little... 174 00:08:55,368 --> 00:08:56,494 {\an8}distant. 175 00:08:56,578 --> 00:08:59,372 They came from very different worlds. 176 00:08:59,456 --> 00:09:03,126 Bob came from a world of privilege, 177 00:09:03,209 --> 00:09:05,879 and Kathie came from a small town 178 00:09:05,962 --> 00:09:10,175 out in Long Island, blue-collar family. 179 00:09:10,258 --> 00:09:12,844 It was a fast-moving romance. 180 00:09:12,927 --> 00:09:16,389 It was really only the second or third date 181 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:19,559 when Bob asked her to move to Vermont with him 182 00:09:19,642 --> 00:09:23,480 and open this health food store, All Good Things. 183 00:09:23,563 --> 00:09:27,150 Kathie settled into helping run the store. 184 00:09:27,233 --> 00:09:30,153 They were just having a good time. 185 00:09:30,236 --> 00:09:32,072 People have asked me what did I think of Bob 186 00:09:32,197 --> 00:09:33,281 when I first met him? 187 00:09:33,406 --> 00:09:35,408 {\an8}I've always thought he was shy 188 00:09:35,533 --> 00:09:38,244 {\an8}and, many times, he would literally walk away 189 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:43,917 {\an8}from a dialogue that was going on and just be gone. 190 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:50,215 He used to burp or light up a joint in social situations, 191 00:09:50,298 --> 00:09:53,426 seemingly amused by people's reactions. 192 00:09:53,551 --> 00:09:56,596 Kathie's knowledge of who and what Bob was 193 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:58,139 was very limited. 194 00:09:58,264 --> 00:10:00,600 She just met a guy that she was attracted to 195 00:10:00,684 --> 00:10:03,269 and he asked her to come help run this health food store. 196 00:10:03,353 --> 00:10:06,648 {\an8}♪♪ 197 00:10:06,773 --> 00:10:09,025 The Durst family was actually one 198 00:10:09,109 --> 00:10:12,654 of New York City's royal real-estate families. 199 00:10:12,779 --> 00:10:16,408 They owned about a dozen skyscrapers in Manhattan. 200 00:10:16,491 --> 00:10:19,369 And Bob, it was assumed for many years, 201 00:10:19,452 --> 00:10:25,500 was the heir apparent to this vast real-estate empire. 202 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:29,337 McCormack: Kathie was aware of his lack of interest 203 00:10:29,462 --> 00:10:31,798 in the New York scene, the business scene. 204 00:10:31,923 --> 00:10:33,425 I don't think he felt that he was 205 00:10:33,508 --> 00:10:35,969 cut out to be a real-estate icon. 206 00:10:36,094 --> 00:10:37,470 {\an8}♪♪ 207 00:10:37,595 --> 00:10:39,597 But, after a couple of years in Vermont, 208 00:10:39,681 --> 00:10:42,225 Robert and Kathie return to New York. 209 00:10:42,308 --> 00:10:45,061 McCormack: He was called back to the family business 210 00:10:45,145 --> 00:10:47,605 and he went kind of reluctantly. 211 00:10:47,689 --> 00:10:51,526 Kathie and Bob got married April 12, 1973. 212 00:10:51,651 --> 00:10:53,028 They keep an apartment in the city, 213 00:10:53,153 --> 00:10:55,113 but they also have a country home 214 00:10:55,196 --> 00:10:56,781 about an hour and a half north. 215 00:10:56,865 --> 00:10:59,367 {\an8}♪♪ 216 00:10:59,492 --> 00:11:02,078 A breaking point in the relationship came 217 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:05,999 later in the '70s, when she got pregnant 218 00:11:06,124 --> 00:11:09,002 and Bob didn't want to have children 219 00:11:09,085 --> 00:11:11,671 and he forced her to have an abortion. 220 00:11:11,755 --> 00:11:14,966 And that devastated her. 221 00:11:15,050 --> 00:11:16,343 I think, at that point, 222 00:11:16,468 --> 00:11:20,347 Kathie embarked on a more independent path. 223 00:11:20,430 --> 00:11:21,765 When she finished nursing school, 224 00:11:21,848 --> 00:11:25,518 she immediately was applying to medical school. 225 00:11:25,643 --> 00:11:27,270 Birkbeck: Which infuriated him, now. 226 00:11:27,354 --> 00:11:29,522 He initially wants her to have a career 227 00:11:29,647 --> 00:11:31,983 and, now she's working towards having a career 228 00:11:32,067 --> 00:11:34,652 and that makes him really angry, now. 229 00:11:34,736 --> 00:11:36,696 {\an8}♪♪ 230 00:11:36,780 --> 00:11:39,282 So, very soon, Robert and Kathie's marriage 231 00:11:39,366 --> 00:11:42,285 really began to spiral downwards. 232 00:11:42,369 --> 00:11:45,538 We know that she went once to Jacobi hospital 233 00:11:45,663 --> 00:11:48,291 for treatment, for some bruises. 234 00:11:48,375 --> 00:11:50,794 She didn't tell them specifically that 235 00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:52,462 that was her husband. 236 00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:56,049 Their relationship becomes so toxic 237 00:11:56,132 --> 00:11:58,635 that he just completely cuts her off, 238 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:03,056 to where she's begging for money from her friends. 239 00:12:03,139 --> 00:12:06,059 As the marriage was disintegrating, 240 00:12:06,184 --> 00:12:09,062 Kathie went out and found a divorce lawyer. 241 00:12:09,187 --> 00:12:12,607 She didn't want to just abandon the marriage 242 00:12:12,732 --> 00:12:14,109 and get out with nothing. 243 00:12:14,234 --> 00:12:16,611 {\an8}She wasn't that interested in money, 244 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:18,488 {\an8}but I think she wanted enough to be able 245 00:12:18,571 --> 00:12:22,742 to finish medical school, maybe open a practice. 246 00:12:22,867 --> 00:12:24,285 I think that Bob was afraid 247 00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:26,913 of what a divorce settlement would mean, 248 00:12:26,996 --> 00:12:32,585 in terms of how much money that he would have to hand over. 249 00:12:32,669 --> 00:12:34,629 Strauss: Kathie went through Bob's papers. 250 00:12:34,754 --> 00:12:36,589 {\an8}♪♪ 251 00:12:36,715 --> 00:12:39,217 She thought she had things on him 252 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:41,803 that she could use in a divorce. 253 00:12:41,928 --> 00:12:45,390 Bagli: Kathie put together a little dossier. 254 00:12:45,473 --> 00:12:49,436 We don't know exactly what was in this file, 255 00:12:49,561 --> 00:12:52,647 but, it had something to do, possibly, 256 00:12:52,772 --> 00:12:56,609 with Bob's tax records 257 00:12:56,693 --> 00:13:00,530 or about the Durst Organization. 258 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:02,365 And then, it got really nasty 'cause then she started 259 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:04,451 to threaten him and the Durst family. 260 00:13:04,576 --> 00:13:06,161 She had information. She said she sent it 261 00:13:06,286 --> 00:13:07,829 to a certain senator in New York. 262 00:13:07,954 --> 00:13:10,623 {\an8}♪♪ 263 00:13:10,749 --> 00:13:14,419 She was terrified of what the repercussions would be. 264 00:13:14,502 --> 00:13:16,004 Kathie's friends told the police that, 265 00:13:16,129 --> 00:13:17,964 in the months before her disappearance, 266 00:13:18,089 --> 00:13:21,384 she had been afraid for her life. 267 00:13:21,468 --> 00:13:23,303 And, in fact, her next-door neighbors 268 00:13:23,386 --> 00:13:25,055 at the apartment in New York City 269 00:13:25,138 --> 00:13:27,932 described a very disturbing incident. 270 00:13:28,016 --> 00:13:32,479 {\an8}♪♪ 271 00:13:32,604 --> 00:13:35,482 One night, she crawled over the divider 272 00:13:35,565 --> 00:13:39,235 between their two terraces in her pajamas... 273 00:13:42,781 --> 00:13:46,117 ...and was banging on the window for them to let her in, 274 00:13:46,201 --> 00:13:47,952 saying, "He's got a gun." 275 00:13:48,036 --> 00:13:49,537 {\an8}♪♪ 276 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:51,331 Katherine stated that Bob had beat her 277 00:13:51,414 --> 00:13:53,541 and that he "wants to kill her. 278 00:13:53,667 --> 00:13:55,710 She further stated that he had a gun 279 00:13:55,835 --> 00:13:57,587 and she was afraid of being shot." 280 00:13:57,671 --> 00:14:02,092 By that time, her marriage was sort of in shambles. 281 00:14:02,175 --> 00:14:04,302 She said to more than one person -- 282 00:14:04,386 --> 00:14:07,180 "If anything ever happens to me, look to Bob." 283 00:14:07,263 --> 00:14:14,729 {\an8}♪♪ 284 00:14:15,647 --> 00:14:17,273 Reporter: Galveston police are convinced 285 00:14:17,399 --> 00:14:18,483 58-year-old Robert Durst 286 00:14:18,566 --> 00:14:19,484 killed and dismembered 287 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:21,027 his 71-year-old neighbor 288 00:14:21,111 --> 00:14:22,112 Morris Black. 289 00:14:22,237 --> 00:14:24,197 {\an8}♪♪ 290 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,116 {\an8}Man: Right now, we have two outstanding warrants 291 00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:27,659 {\an8}on Mr. Durst. 292 00:14:27,742 --> 00:14:28,910 {\an8}Now he's a fugitive from the law 293 00:14:29,035 --> 00:14:30,829 {\an8}and the question is, "Where is he?" 294 00:14:30,912 --> 00:14:33,707 {\an8}He had the means to evade detection, 295 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:36,042 {\an8}much less prosecution. 296 00:14:36,126 --> 00:14:38,003 {\an8}He's very good at hiding the truth, 297 00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:40,088 {\an8}from as early as I got to know him. 298 00:14:40,171 --> 00:14:44,968 {\an8}♪♪ 299 00:14:45,093 --> 00:14:48,179 The first time I was aware that there was an issue 300 00:14:48,263 --> 00:14:51,016 was February 4th. 301 00:14:51,099 --> 00:14:55,311 Bob's on the phone and he goes, "Jim, this is Bob. 302 00:14:55,437 --> 00:14:57,439 Have you seen Kathie?" 303 00:14:57,564 --> 00:14:58,982 And I go, "No. What do you mean?" 304 00:14:59,107 --> 00:15:02,402 He goes, "I can't find her." 305 00:15:02,485 --> 00:15:04,237 {\an8}Kathie Durst is months away from graduating 306 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,115 {\an8}from medical school and she just disappears. 307 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,161 It wasn't until later that week that Bobby goes 308 00:15:11,286 --> 00:15:13,747 into a New York City police station, 309 00:15:13,830 --> 00:15:17,584 with his dog, and reports Kathie missing. 310 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:20,253 Bob walked into the 20th Precinct 311 00:15:20,337 --> 00:15:24,966 {\an8}and threw his weight around by throwing down a magazine 312 00:15:25,050 --> 00:15:27,135 with his father's picture on the cover. 313 00:15:27,218 --> 00:15:29,220 It's "The Men Who Own New York." 314 00:15:29,304 --> 00:15:30,722 Donald Trump, Helmsley -- 315 00:15:30,805 --> 00:15:33,016 {\an8}there's five men, all power brokers 316 00:15:33,141 --> 00:15:36,102 {\an8}in real estate in New York -- and Seymour Durst. 317 00:15:36,186 --> 00:15:40,899 That was a way to say, "This is who I am." 318 00:15:40,982 --> 00:15:44,486 It was to give him some kind of authority. 319 00:15:44,569 --> 00:15:46,696 He says, "I haven't seen my wife 320 00:15:46,821 --> 00:15:48,323 and she's been missing for five days 321 00:15:48,406 --> 00:15:50,909 and I'm wondering if maybe something happened to her." 322 00:15:50,992 --> 00:15:53,953 Draper: He didn't seem particularly alarmed or upset. 323 00:15:54,037 --> 00:15:55,830 {\an8}He said, instead, that she had probably 324 00:15:55,914 --> 00:15:58,208 {\an8}gone off to score drugs. 325 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,669 Bobby's story was that they had a fight. 326 00:16:00,752 --> 00:16:03,171 He drove her to the train station, 327 00:16:03,296 --> 00:16:05,840 put her on a train around 9:00, 328 00:16:05,924 --> 00:16:08,176 and that was the last he had seen of her. 329 00:16:08,259 --> 00:16:10,136 {\an8}At one point, he said he talked to her 330 00:16:10,220 --> 00:16:13,264 after she was back at the apartment. 331 00:16:13,348 --> 00:16:15,975 The police believe that she reached New York City 332 00:16:16,059 --> 00:16:17,936 and that she disappeared from there. 333 00:16:18,019 --> 00:16:19,354 Reporter: Police have been searching the building, 334 00:16:19,437 --> 00:16:20,689 37 Riverside Drive, 335 00:16:20,814 --> 00:16:22,649 where the Dursts occupied a penthouse. 336 00:16:22,732 --> 00:16:26,945 They say, so far, they have found no evidence of foul play. 337 00:16:27,028 --> 00:16:30,240 When the police went to their apartment building 338 00:16:30,365 --> 00:16:33,660 to try and determine what happened to Kathie, 339 00:16:33,743 --> 00:16:35,704 there was a doorman, who told them 340 00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:37,831 that Kathie returned to the building 341 00:16:37,914 --> 00:16:40,542 and that he took her up in the elevator. 342 00:16:40,625 --> 00:16:42,877 {\an8}♪♪ 343 00:16:43,003 --> 00:16:45,672 And then, there was a doorman who claimed 344 00:16:45,755 --> 00:16:49,050 that he saw Kathie leave the building the following morning. 345 00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:50,343 {\an8}♪♪ 346 00:16:50,427 --> 00:16:54,723 One other thing was that someone, 347 00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:57,100 identifying themselves as Kathie, 348 00:16:57,225 --> 00:17:00,478 called the dean of students the next day 349 00:17:00,562 --> 00:17:05,275 at her medical school and said, "I'm Kathie Durst. 350 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,070 I don't feel well today and I'm not coming in." 351 00:17:09,195 --> 00:17:10,989 {\an8}♪♪ 352 00:17:11,072 --> 00:17:13,408 Good evening. She talked on the telephone with her husband 353 00:17:13,491 --> 00:17:15,869 and with a supervisor at a medical center, 354 00:17:15,952 --> 00:17:17,746 then, she vanished. 355 00:17:17,829 --> 00:17:21,082 No one wanted to listen to us, 356 00:17:21,166 --> 00:17:23,376 that anything that happened to Kathie 357 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:26,880 happened at their house in South Salem. 358 00:17:26,963 --> 00:17:29,758 We think she never got to New York, 359 00:17:29,883 --> 00:17:31,634 never went to the train. 360 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:33,136 {\an8}♪♪ 361 00:17:33,261 --> 00:17:36,389 Bob did some things that aroused the suspicion 362 00:17:36,473 --> 00:17:40,352 of Kathie's friends and Kathie's family, 363 00:17:40,435 --> 00:17:43,146 and they became sort of amateur sleuths, 364 00:17:43,271 --> 00:17:46,066 looking for clues about what happened. 365 00:17:46,149 --> 00:17:48,151 {\an8}♪♪ 366 00:17:48,276 --> 00:17:51,571 At some point, we made a midnight run... 367 00:17:51,654 --> 00:17:53,782 {\an8}♪♪ 368 00:17:53,865 --> 00:17:56,034 ...and we took his garbage 369 00:17:56,117 --> 00:17:59,788 and we went through it, piece by piece. 370 00:17:59,913 --> 00:18:01,581 {\an8}♪♪ 371 00:18:01,664 --> 00:18:06,378 He was throwing away her clothes, her books, 372 00:18:06,461 --> 00:18:08,838 her papers, her makeup. 373 00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:11,758 {\an8}♪♪ 374 00:18:11,841 --> 00:18:14,427 There was never a thorough search 375 00:18:14,511 --> 00:18:18,181 of the house in South Salem. 376 00:18:18,306 --> 00:18:19,724 It became clear to the authorities 377 00:18:19,808 --> 00:18:24,521 that Robert Durst was certainly not being very expansive 378 00:18:24,646 --> 00:18:28,358 about what could've happened to his own wife, 379 00:18:28,483 --> 00:18:30,777 but he maintained that he had nothing to do 380 00:18:30,860 --> 00:18:33,154 with her disappearance. 381 00:18:33,238 --> 00:18:35,782 Bagli: However, a lot of the things that he said 382 00:18:35,865 --> 00:18:37,992 were quickly disproven. 383 00:18:38,118 --> 00:18:41,830 {\an8}He told the police that he dropped her at the station 384 00:18:41,913 --> 00:18:44,416 {\an8}and came back to my house for drinks. 385 00:18:44,499 --> 00:18:47,502 He did not come to my house for a drink. 386 00:18:47,585 --> 00:18:51,798 He told police that, well, maybe he didn't have the drink. 387 00:18:51,881 --> 00:18:54,342 Maybe he took the dog for a walk, 388 00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,886 found a phone booth in the driving rain, 389 00:18:57,012 --> 00:18:59,139 and called Kathie. 390 00:18:59,222 --> 00:19:03,018 He later admitted that none of those things were true. 391 00:19:03,101 --> 00:19:05,937 One person who did seem to know an awful lot 392 00:19:06,021 --> 00:19:08,481 was this old friend, Susan Berman, 393 00:19:08,565 --> 00:19:11,484 {\an8}who Robert met at UCLA. 394 00:19:11,568 --> 00:19:15,363 {\an8}Bobby was the friend of whom she was the most proud, 395 00:19:15,447 --> 00:19:17,365 because of his family, family connections, 396 00:19:17,449 --> 00:19:18,867 who his family was. 397 00:19:18,992 --> 00:19:23,288 Birkbeck: She was the closest person to Bobby back in 1982. 398 00:19:23,371 --> 00:19:26,166 She knew everything that was going on. 399 00:19:26,249 --> 00:19:28,043 Bagli: When Kathie disappeared, 400 00:19:28,168 --> 00:19:33,340 Susan was his shield, in dealing with the press. 401 00:19:33,423 --> 00:19:37,719 We know this because Susan called a friend, 402 00:19:37,802 --> 00:19:39,471 who recorded the phone call. 403 00:19:45,727 --> 00:19:49,898 {\an8}This was only eight or nine days after Kathie disappeared. 404 00:19:54,235 --> 00:19:57,280 {\an8}And she seems to be testing out different theories 405 00:19:57,405 --> 00:19:59,449 {\an8}about what happened to Kathie. 406 00:20:03,411 --> 00:20:08,083 {\an8}It's sort of Harrowing to listen to the recording today. 407 00:20:13,088 --> 00:20:15,382 Today, the authorities believe 408 00:20:15,465 --> 00:20:19,135 that the call to Kathie's medical school 409 00:20:19,260 --> 00:20:22,597 was made, not by Kathie, 410 00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,975 but by Susan Berman. 411 00:20:26,101 --> 00:20:29,396 When I read that someone, thought to be Kathie, 412 00:20:29,479 --> 00:20:31,439 called the dean of the medical school 413 00:20:31,564 --> 00:20:34,109 and described every malady in her body, 414 00:20:34,192 --> 00:20:36,444 I thought, "who does that? 415 00:20:36,569 --> 00:20:37,779 Susan does that." 416 00:20:37,904 --> 00:20:41,950 She had a relationship with members of the press, 417 00:20:42,075 --> 00:20:44,703 of kind of normalizing Robert Durst. 418 00:20:44,786 --> 00:20:49,207 She claims that Bobby is worried, grief-Stricken, 419 00:20:49,290 --> 00:20:51,292 that Kathie hung around with some bad people, 420 00:20:51,376 --> 00:20:55,338 involved in drugs, and that they needed to be looking there. 421 00:20:55,463 --> 00:20:58,049 In the news today, a reward of $100,000 422 00:20:58,133 --> 00:20:59,342 offered by a husband 423 00:20:59,467 --> 00:21:01,428 to help find his missing wife. 424 00:21:01,511 --> 00:21:06,099 This was headlines in the tabloid newspapers 425 00:21:06,182 --> 00:21:08,351 and there was a lot of attention, 426 00:21:08,476 --> 00:21:12,772 but, slowly, it peters out when there were no leads. 427 00:21:12,856 --> 00:21:17,068 The investigation, for the most part, is actually shut down. 428 00:21:17,152 --> 00:21:19,654 There's very little evidence. 429 00:21:19,738 --> 00:21:22,741 There's no body. There's no crime scene, even. 430 00:21:22,824 --> 00:21:25,076 He's not charged. 431 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,537 It disappeared from the headlines. 432 00:21:27,662 --> 00:21:28,913 It was quiet. 433 00:21:28,997 --> 00:21:32,500 The police may have ignored it, but I didn't forget. 434 00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:38,548 {\an8}♪♪ 435 00:21:39,424 --> 00:21:45,847 {\an8}♪♪ 436 00:21:45,930 --> 00:21:48,308 Welcome back to "Very Scary People." 437 00:21:48,391 --> 00:21:50,435 Family and friends were shocked and worried 438 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,104 when Kathie Durst vanished without a trace. 439 00:21:53,229 --> 00:21:56,191 A cloud of suspicion hung over Robert Durst. 440 00:21:56,274 --> 00:21:58,985 No one ever heard from Kathie after she disappeared, 441 00:21:59,069 --> 00:22:00,904 but police said there was not enough evidence 442 00:22:01,029 --> 00:22:03,531 to prove a crime had been committed. 443 00:22:03,615 --> 00:22:06,951 Eventually, the story faded from the headlines. 444 00:22:07,077 --> 00:22:09,412 {\an8}♪♪ 445 00:22:09,496 --> 00:22:14,542 {\an8}Bagli: Bob, he was working at the family business 446 00:22:14,626 --> 00:22:17,337 {\an8}at the time that Kathie vanished. 447 00:22:17,420 --> 00:22:21,091 {\an8}His brother Douglas had also gone into the family business. 448 00:22:34,771 --> 00:22:37,065 There was friction between him and Douglas 449 00:22:37,148 --> 00:22:40,110 from, probably, the moment they were born. 450 00:22:40,235 --> 00:22:44,114 I don't think they ever trusted each other. 451 00:22:44,197 --> 00:22:47,450 Douglas tells a story that Bob would sometimes come 452 00:22:47,534 --> 00:22:51,454 into his office and pee in the wastebasket 453 00:22:51,579 --> 00:22:56,876 and his behavior was increasingly erratic. 454 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,964 A defining moment for Bob, and for the Durst family, 455 00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:02,716 came in 1950. 456 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:06,553 {\an8}Their mother died a very tragic death. 457 00:23:06,636 --> 00:23:08,471 Birkbeck: It was a cold night 458 00:23:08,555 --> 00:23:10,724 and it was a steep roof 459 00:23:10,807 --> 00:23:12,350 and someone saw her out there 460 00:23:12,475 --> 00:23:14,144 and they called the fire department, 461 00:23:14,227 --> 00:23:17,272 {\an8}and a guy was going up the ladder to try to get her down. 462 00:23:17,355 --> 00:23:21,985 {\an8} Bagli: And his mother either fell or jumped. 463 00:23:22,068 --> 00:23:27,157 {\an8}Bob always told his friends that he saw his mother fall, 464 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,495 {\an8}but other family members would contradict him on that. 465 00:23:32,579 --> 00:23:36,499 {\an8}His brother Douglas stated that all four of the Durst children 466 00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:38,418 {\an8}were just whisked out of the house that night 467 00:23:38,501 --> 00:23:41,755 and that none of them actually saw their mother fall. 468 00:23:41,838 --> 00:23:43,506 Bagli: Robert was the oldest. 469 00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:45,633 He was about six, seven years old 470 00:23:45,717 --> 00:23:48,011 and the death of his mother was something 471 00:23:48,094 --> 00:23:50,347 that he carried with him for the rest of his life, 472 00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:54,100 sometimes blaming his father for his mother's problems. 473 00:23:54,184 --> 00:23:56,061 {\an8}♪♪ 474 00:23:56,186 --> 00:23:57,896 {\an8}And it led to a lot of the fighting 475 00:23:58,021 --> 00:23:59,856 {\an8}between him and his brother. 476 00:23:59,981 --> 00:24:05,111 {\an8}♪♪ 477 00:24:05,195 --> 00:24:07,989 At a certain point, his grandfather 478 00:24:08,073 --> 00:24:11,826 encouraged them to go see a psychiatrist. 479 00:24:11,910 --> 00:24:16,206 {\an8}"It was Dr. Schonfeld's opinion that Robert's hostility 480 00:24:16,331 --> 00:24:19,125 toward his father and his younger brother 481 00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:23,797 was of such intensity that it might constitute 482 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,968 a deconstructive, psychodynamic force 483 00:24:29,052 --> 00:24:33,598 sufficient to produce a personality decomposition." 484 00:24:33,723 --> 00:24:35,058 {\an8}♪♪ 485 00:24:35,183 --> 00:24:38,228 Birkbeck: It describes his mental state. 486 00:24:38,311 --> 00:24:39,854 This is at 10 years old. 487 00:24:39,938 --> 00:24:46,319 {\an8}♪♪ 488 00:24:46,403 --> 00:24:48,571 Going into the 1980s, 489 00:24:48,655 --> 00:24:51,741 most people assumed that Bob, at some point, 490 00:24:51,825 --> 00:24:53,785 would take over the family business. 491 00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:58,206 But, in 1994, his father and his uncle 492 00:24:58,289 --> 00:25:01,292 selected Douglas to become 493 00:25:01,418 --> 00:25:03,628 the next head of the Durst Organization. 494 00:25:03,753 --> 00:25:05,130 {\an8}♪♪ 495 00:25:05,255 --> 00:25:08,508 {\an8}Bob, according to his friends, was just devastated. 496 00:25:08,591 --> 00:25:10,593 {\an8}This was a crowning humiliation 497 00:25:10,719 --> 00:25:12,595 {\an8}for Robert Durst 498 00:25:12,721 --> 00:25:14,139 {\an8}and he began to pull away 499 00:25:14,264 --> 00:25:15,140 {\an8}from the family. 500 00:25:15,265 --> 00:25:17,559 {\an8}Robert has resented them ever since. 501 00:25:17,642 --> 00:25:21,604 {\an8}♪♪ 502 00:25:21,688 --> 00:25:23,898 After he left the Durst Organization, 503 00:25:23,982 --> 00:25:27,152 he led a very wandering kind of existence. 504 00:25:27,277 --> 00:25:30,989 Up to that point, he was getting about $1 million a year, 505 00:25:31,114 --> 00:25:34,909 after taxes, from the Durst trust 506 00:25:34,993 --> 00:25:39,039 and Kathie's case was nothing but a memory. 507 00:25:39,122 --> 00:25:40,874 {\an8}♪♪ 508 00:25:40,957 --> 00:25:42,834 Birkbeck: He lived in San Francisco, 509 00:25:42,959 --> 00:25:48,006 in a house in a small town way up north in California. 510 00:25:48,131 --> 00:25:50,925 He had also taken out, under different names, 511 00:25:51,009 --> 00:25:52,010 PO boxes. 512 00:25:52,135 --> 00:25:53,470 He's traveling the country, 513 00:25:53,595 --> 00:25:54,846 living amongst the homeless, 514 00:25:54,971 --> 00:25:57,223 stealing people's identification. 515 00:25:57,307 --> 00:26:02,145 He alternated between living a lifestyle of extreme poverty 516 00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,814 and a lifestyle of extreme wealth, from day to day. 517 00:26:24,918 --> 00:26:29,089 Then, about Halloween of 2000, 518 00:26:29,172 --> 00:26:31,716 Bob learns of this new investigation 519 00:26:31,841 --> 00:26:33,885 into Kathie's disappearance 520 00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:38,973 by Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine Pirro. 521 00:26:39,057 --> 00:26:40,684 Pirro: I have a lot of questions. 522 00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:45,897 {\an8}It appears that things are not what they seemed to be in 1982. 523 00:26:46,022 --> 00:26:48,274 A New York state police investigator found that 524 00:26:48,358 --> 00:26:51,486 those eyewitness reports that had seen Kathie Durst 525 00:26:51,569 --> 00:26:55,699 at her apartment in New York were very suspect. 526 00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:57,325 Pirro: The whole essence of this case was 527 00:26:57,409 --> 00:27:00,537 that Kathleen had boarded a train from Westchester 528 00:27:00,662 --> 00:27:02,205 and arrived in New York City. 529 00:27:02,288 --> 00:27:04,082 {\an8}Now, we have to question whether or not 530 00:27:04,207 --> 00:27:06,960 {\an8}she even made it to New York City. 531 00:27:07,043 --> 00:27:09,713 Birkbeck: Bob knew, or he was kind of surmising, 532 00:27:09,838 --> 00:27:10,755 what was happening here. 533 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,215 {\an8}There's a new investigation, 534 00:27:12,340 --> 00:27:15,593 {\an8}and he's gonna come under scrutiny, once again, 535 00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:17,637 {\an8}so, I don't think there's any question 536 00:27:17,721 --> 00:27:19,180 {\an8}that Bob was in a panic. 537 00:27:19,264 --> 00:27:21,725 {\an8}Birkbeck: It's 18 years later, now, 538 00:27:21,850 --> 00:27:24,978 {\an8}and what he does is he runs. 539 00:27:25,061 --> 00:27:27,480 {\an8}He goes down to Galveston. 540 00:27:27,564 --> 00:27:31,067 {\an8}Draper: Galveston is, on the surface, a beach town. 541 00:27:31,192 --> 00:27:34,237 {\an8}It's also a place where people go to fall between the cracks. 542 00:27:34,362 --> 00:27:36,656 {\an8}If you've never been to Galveston, 543 00:27:36,740 --> 00:27:38,908 it's kind of a funky place. 544 00:27:38,992 --> 00:27:41,202 Draper: He moved into Avenue K 545 00:27:41,286 --> 00:27:47,000 and it was nobody's idea of a millionaire's dwelling. 546 00:27:47,083 --> 00:27:48,084 It's like $300 a month. 547 00:27:48,209 --> 00:27:49,502 He's gonna pay it in advance. 548 00:27:49,586 --> 00:27:50,920 He claims to be a woman 549 00:27:51,004 --> 00:27:53,548 named Dorothy Ciner. 550 00:27:53,631 --> 00:27:56,551 A name, by the way, which happened to be the name 551 00:27:56,634 --> 00:28:00,764 {\an8}of a former high school classmate of Durst's, 552 00:28:00,847 --> 00:28:03,433 {\an8}whom he had not spoken to in decades. 553 00:28:03,558 --> 00:28:05,435 {\an8}♪♪ 554 00:28:05,518 --> 00:28:10,190 The spectacle of Dorothy Ciner was that of, obviously, a man 555 00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:11,941 who was not doing the world's best job 556 00:28:12,067 --> 00:28:13,610 of impersonating a woman. 557 00:28:13,693 --> 00:28:15,278 {\an8}He wasn't fooling anybody. 558 00:28:15,403 --> 00:28:16,905 Birkbeck: He's got to be the worst cross-dressers 559 00:28:16,988 --> 00:28:18,323 in cross-dressing history. 560 00:28:18,448 --> 00:28:20,700 They look at him and they know. This is awful. 561 00:28:20,784 --> 00:28:25,038 Bagli: Bob always said that he was a pretty poor woman. 562 00:28:25,121 --> 00:28:28,208 He'd light a cigarette and his hair would go on fire, 563 00:28:28,291 --> 00:28:31,711 so he dressed as a man most of the time. 564 00:28:31,795 --> 00:28:34,005 He was like a cousin to the mute woman, 565 00:28:34,130 --> 00:28:36,341 who sometimes stayed in the apartment. 566 00:28:36,466 --> 00:28:40,470 {\an8}♪♪ 567 00:28:40,595 --> 00:28:44,307 So, he's basically on the run 568 00:28:44,391 --> 00:28:48,144 and kind of waiting out things to see what happens. 569 00:28:48,269 --> 00:28:50,021 He doesn't know if he's going to be charged. 570 00:28:50,146 --> 00:28:51,314 He doesn't know what they've got. 571 00:28:51,439 --> 00:28:56,361 {\an8}♪♪ 572 00:29:11,626 --> 00:29:12,669 {\an8}The piece I did for People 573 00:29:12,794 --> 00:29:15,255 {\an8}came out in early December of 2000. 574 00:29:15,338 --> 00:29:16,756 It was the first national piece. 575 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,675 I had spent maybe three weeks working 576 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,262 on this particular story and everyone said to me, 577 00:29:22,345 --> 00:29:24,180 "Matt, you gotta find Susan Berman. 578 00:29:24,305 --> 00:29:25,640 She's the key." 579 00:29:38,153 --> 00:29:42,323 {\an8}♪♪ 580 00:29:42,407 --> 00:29:45,076 Bobby, in the 1960s, went to UCLA 581 00:29:45,201 --> 00:29:46,327 and he meets Susan 582 00:29:46,411 --> 00:29:50,331 and they just hit it off immediately. 583 00:29:50,415 --> 00:29:53,209 {\an8}Normal life was not of much interest to Susan. 584 00:29:53,293 --> 00:29:56,713 {\an8}Everything had to be larger-than-life. 585 00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:58,298 Enter Robert Durst, 586 00:29:58,381 --> 00:30:01,343 So wealthy, his family owned Times Square. 587 00:30:01,426 --> 00:30:04,763 And he finds a kindred spirit in Susan Berman. 588 00:30:04,888 --> 00:30:09,559 She's one of the few people that he actually confides in. 589 00:30:09,684 --> 00:30:11,353 {\an8}♪♪ 590 00:30:11,436 --> 00:30:14,481 Silverman: Susan was, in her way, magnetic. 591 00:30:14,564 --> 00:30:16,858 There was this tremendous energy. 592 00:30:16,941 --> 00:30:18,526 She spoke a mile a minute. 593 00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:22,697 Upon introduction to her, she listed every neurosis she had. 594 00:30:22,781 --> 00:30:26,743 Her father, who was Davie Berman in Las Vegas. 595 00:30:26,868 --> 00:30:31,539 Silverman: "Davie the Jew" Berman, he was friends with Bugsy Siegel. 596 00:30:31,623 --> 00:30:34,876 She relished it -- "I'm a gangster's daughter!" 597 00:30:34,959 --> 00:30:37,754 It was a wonderful pedigree, where Susan was concerned. 598 00:30:37,837 --> 00:30:40,423 {\an8}♪♪ 599 00:30:40,507 --> 00:30:42,425 Bagli: They had something in common. 600 00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:44,886 Bob had lost his mother at a young age. 601 00:30:44,969 --> 00:30:49,641 Susan had lost both her parents at a relatively young age, 602 00:30:49,766 --> 00:30:53,937 {\an8}so that really bound them tightly together. 603 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:55,605 {\an8}♪♪ 604 00:30:55,689 --> 00:30:58,525 Birkbeck: That friendship continues on through the '60s. 605 00:30:58,608 --> 00:31:00,860 She moves to New York in the 1970s. 606 00:31:00,944 --> 00:31:03,279 She was working on magazine pieces. 607 00:31:03,363 --> 00:31:04,572 They go to all the big clubs. 608 00:31:04,656 --> 00:31:06,408 And so, they became very, very close. 609 00:31:06,491 --> 00:31:10,495 Susan's career was, at that point, soaring. 610 00:31:10,620 --> 00:31:12,455 Her memoir was published -- 611 00:31:12,539 --> 00:31:14,916 discovering that her father was a gangster. 612 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,544 When did it dawn on you that your father was 613 00:31:17,627 --> 00:31:19,504 just not a nice guy running a business? 614 00:31:19,629 --> 00:31:21,381 Well, I was only 12 when he died, Lee, 615 00:31:21,464 --> 00:31:23,341 and I grew up really believing I was sort of 616 00:31:23,466 --> 00:31:25,969 from the aristocratic Las Vegas family. 617 00:31:26,052 --> 00:31:28,805 Bagli: Susan was, like Bob, a storyteller 618 00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:31,975 and she liked to embellish stories 619 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:37,439 to make the stories more interesting, more compelling. 620 00:31:37,522 --> 00:31:39,315 {\an8}Within a year after Kathie went missing, 621 00:31:39,441 --> 00:31:41,443 {\an8}Susan Berman moved to Los Angeles 622 00:31:41,526 --> 00:31:44,029 {\an8}to establish herself as a screenwriter. 623 00:31:44,154 --> 00:31:45,488 But as her life continues on, 624 00:31:45,613 --> 00:31:47,907 she's not a very successful writer 625 00:31:47,991 --> 00:31:52,078 and she declares bankruptcy in the 1990s. 626 00:31:52,162 --> 00:31:53,455 Susan was desperate. 627 00:31:53,538 --> 00:31:54,873 She had no money. 628 00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:58,501 By the time that a new investigation, in 2000, 629 00:31:58,585 --> 00:32:01,463 was looking into the disappearance of Kathie, 630 00:32:01,546 --> 00:32:03,965 Susan was reaching out to Bob. 631 00:32:04,049 --> 00:32:05,675 Letting him know that she was having a hard time 632 00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:07,010 and could he help her out? 633 00:32:07,135 --> 00:32:09,679 {\an8}♪♪ 634 00:32:09,804 --> 00:32:14,684 At some point, Susan told Bob, as Bob has related, 635 00:32:14,809 --> 00:32:19,689 that the authorities had reached out to her and that she said, 636 00:32:19,814 --> 00:32:22,484 "Well, I think it's best that I talk to them." 637 00:32:22,567 --> 00:32:24,527 What's key to that is that the police 638 00:32:24,611 --> 00:32:27,364 did not reach out to Susan. 639 00:32:27,447 --> 00:32:29,908 They had yet to call her. 640 00:32:30,033 --> 00:32:31,201 So that was a lie. 641 00:32:31,284 --> 00:32:34,371 But Susan may have had her own reasons for lying. 642 00:32:34,496 --> 00:32:35,914 {\an8}♪♪ 643 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:40,835 Susan, by all accounts, was very loyal to Bob, 644 00:32:40,919 --> 00:32:45,799 but she may have been trying to gin Bob up 645 00:32:45,882 --> 00:32:48,385 so that he would definitely send her the money. 646 00:32:48,468 --> 00:32:50,512 {\an8}♪♪ 647 00:32:50,595 --> 00:32:52,764 Susan needed the money to live, 648 00:32:52,889 --> 00:32:57,394 and getting that money any way that was necessary. 649 00:32:57,477 --> 00:33:00,480 By November of 2000, 650 00:33:00,563 --> 00:33:02,941 Bob had sent her two checks, 651 00:33:03,066 --> 00:33:05,026 each for $25,000. 652 00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:08,571 {\an8}♪♪ 653 00:33:08,697 --> 00:33:11,950 And she was telling friends that she was very excited 654 00:33:12,075 --> 00:33:15,912 'cause Bobby was coming to visit during the Christmas holidays. 655 00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:28,967 {\an8}♪♪ 656 00:33:29,092 --> 00:33:31,261 Susan Berman's dogs, 657 00:33:31,386 --> 00:33:32,762 they had gotten out of the house 658 00:33:32,846 --> 00:33:35,223 and were running around the neighborhood. 659 00:33:35,306 --> 00:33:38,435 Bagli: Her neighbors knew that she would never allow that 660 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,021 and they called the police. 661 00:33:41,104 --> 00:33:42,230 The back door was open. 662 00:33:42,313 --> 00:33:45,859 The front was unlocked. 663 00:33:45,942 --> 00:33:47,736 They find a body on the floor, 664 00:33:47,819 --> 00:33:50,280 shot in the back of the head. 665 00:33:50,405 --> 00:33:54,617 I remember there was a slug, not even a headline, 666 00:33:54,743 --> 00:33:56,786 {\an8}"Screenwriter dead." 667 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:58,329 {\an8}♪♪ 668 00:33:58,455 --> 00:34:00,081 {\an8}Susan Berman. 669 00:34:00,165 --> 00:34:01,791 {\an8}I froze. 670 00:34:01,875 --> 00:34:03,960 Bagli: There were no signs of forced entry. 671 00:34:04,085 --> 00:34:06,921 The police assumed that Susan knew 672 00:34:07,005 --> 00:34:10,133 the person that she let into the house. 673 00:34:10,258 --> 00:34:13,720 Among Susan's 1,001 phobias 674 00:34:13,803 --> 00:34:16,306 was letting a stranger into her house. 675 00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:18,141 {\an8}♪♪ 676 00:34:18,224 --> 00:34:21,978 She would only allow in people she knew, period. 677 00:34:22,062 --> 00:34:24,981 Bagli: She was walking towards the bedroom 678 00:34:25,065 --> 00:34:28,651 when whoever she let into the house 679 00:34:28,735 --> 00:34:31,237 came right up behind her, put the gun next to her head, 680 00:34:31,321 --> 00:34:33,198 and blew her away. 681 00:34:35,742 --> 00:34:38,119 The thought of Susan in a pool of blood, 682 00:34:38,203 --> 00:34:39,996 how she loved her dogs. 683 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,415 But just Susan. Poor Susan. 684 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,752 Bagli: In the very beginning, 685 00:34:45,835 --> 00:34:49,255 the police were looking at different suspects. 686 00:34:49,339 --> 00:34:53,927 There was speculation that this could've been a mob hit. 687 00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:56,346 There had been all this talk about Susan Berman, 688 00:34:56,471 --> 00:34:58,348 how she was working on some mob book, 689 00:34:58,473 --> 00:35:00,058 and friends would say, "Oh, 690 00:35:00,183 --> 00:35:02,477 she said she was gonna blow the lid off of something." 691 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,646 Silverman: And I just thought, "That's the most ridiculous thing 692 00:35:04,729 --> 00:35:06,773 I've ever read." 693 00:35:06,856 --> 00:35:08,692 The same day that Susan was killed, 694 00:35:08,775 --> 00:35:11,861 someone had addressed an envelope 695 00:35:11,986 --> 00:35:14,030 to "Beverley Hills Police," 696 00:35:14,155 --> 00:35:17,909 and they spelled "Beverly" incorrectly. 697 00:35:18,034 --> 00:35:21,204 Birkbeck: It says there's a cadaver 698 00:35:21,329 --> 00:35:23,248 {\an8}and he writes the address 699 00:35:23,373 --> 00:35:25,583 {\an8}and the address was Susan Berman's home. 700 00:35:25,709 --> 00:35:27,210 {\an8}♪♪ 701 00:35:27,293 --> 00:35:30,797 So whoever wrote it didn't want her body to rot there. 702 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,215 Wanted someone to find it. 703 00:35:32,298 --> 00:35:33,675 {\an8}♪♪ 704 00:35:33,758 --> 00:35:35,593 But no one really knows what's going on here. 705 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,387 A lot of people suspect Bobby Durst, 706 00:35:37,512 --> 00:35:38,888 and other people don't. 707 00:35:39,014 --> 00:35:41,433 Jeanine Pirro, the Westchester county DA, 708 00:35:41,558 --> 00:35:45,228 was very suspicious about the timing of Susan Berman's murder. 709 00:35:45,353 --> 00:35:48,023 {\an8}I think Susan Berman's death was very significant, 710 00:35:48,106 --> 00:35:49,983 {\an8}in terms of this investigation. 711 00:35:50,066 --> 00:35:53,361 {\an8}She was someone that we had wanted to speak with. 712 00:35:53,445 --> 00:35:57,073 Bagli: I went out to Los Angeles to find out what had happened. 713 00:35:57,198 --> 00:36:01,494 I did interview some of Susan's friends and family 714 00:36:01,578 --> 00:36:04,414 and all of them told me the same thing -- 715 00:36:04,497 --> 00:36:06,249 "Bobby had nothing to do with this. 716 00:36:06,374 --> 00:36:07,584 Bobby loved Susie. 717 00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,419 Susie loved Bobby." 718 00:36:09,544 --> 00:36:17,135 {\an8}♪♪ 719 00:36:19,220 --> 00:36:21,222 {\an8}Two months after Robert Durst finds out 720 00:36:21,306 --> 00:36:24,142 {\an8}that New York prosecutors are looking 721 00:36:24,225 --> 00:36:26,895 {\an8}into the disappearance of his wife Kathie, 722 00:36:26,978 --> 00:36:30,315 {\an8}Susan Berman turns up dead. 723 00:36:30,398 --> 00:36:32,484 {\an8}The fact that Susan was going 724 00:36:32,609 --> 00:36:35,987 {\an8}to be interrogated by the district attorney 725 00:36:36,071 --> 00:36:38,948 would pose a threat to someone who felt 726 00:36:39,032 --> 00:36:42,786 she had knowledge that he or she did not wish to get out there, 727 00:36:42,869 --> 00:36:45,080 {\an8}because Susan just might spill. 728 00:36:45,163 --> 00:36:46,331 {\an8}She was a loose cannon. 729 00:36:46,456 --> 00:36:49,250 {\an8}♪♪ 730 00:37:30,792 --> 00:37:35,171 {\an8}♪♪ 731 00:37:35,255 --> 00:37:40,218 {\an8}So, Bobby's kind of laying low in Galveston. 732 00:37:40,343 --> 00:37:42,303 {\an8}He maintained that he had nothing to do 733 00:37:42,387 --> 00:37:44,723 {\an8}with the disappearance and presumed death 734 00:37:44,806 --> 00:37:47,017 of his wife Kathie; 735 00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:49,269 or with the murder of his best friend, 736 00:37:49,394 --> 00:37:51,479 Susan Berman; but he certainly knew 737 00:37:51,563 --> 00:37:53,732 that people suspected him of those things. 738 00:37:53,857 --> 00:37:58,403 {\an8}And didn't want anyone to know that he was in Galveston. 739 00:37:58,486 --> 00:38:00,864 {\an8}It was 10 months after Susan Berman's murder 740 00:38:00,947 --> 00:38:04,451 {\an8}that Robert Durst was charged with the murder of Morris Black 741 00:38:04,576 --> 00:38:07,454 {\an8}and subsequently jumped bail. 742 00:38:07,579 --> 00:38:11,207 {\an8}The news is out that he's now on the run. 743 00:38:11,291 --> 00:38:14,085 {\an8}We'd actually reached out to "America's Most Wanted." 744 00:38:14,169 --> 00:38:16,880 {\an8}We wanted the Durst case profiled on that show. 745 00:38:16,963 --> 00:38:23,762 {\an8}♪♪ 746 00:38:23,845 --> 00:38:28,558 {\an8}Birkbeck: He walks into a supermarket and it's on video. 747 00:38:28,641 --> 00:38:30,352 {\an8}He just shoplifts. 748 00:38:30,435 --> 00:38:33,021 {\an8}Hammer: He was caught by Wegmans store personnel, 749 00:38:33,104 --> 00:38:36,983 {\an8}stealing a sandwich. 750 00:38:37,108 --> 00:38:38,443 {\an8}They also caught him on camera 751 00:38:38,568 --> 00:38:41,321 {\an8}taking Band-Aids out of a box 752 00:38:41,446 --> 00:38:42,781 {\an8}and putting them on himself. 753 00:38:42,864 --> 00:38:44,908 {\an8}♪♪ 754 00:38:44,991 --> 00:38:47,577 {\an8}The total theft was $9.18. 755 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:49,829 Hammer: Standard procedure -- he was Patted down. 756 00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:53,750 He had almost $500 in cash in his pocket. 757 00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:56,252 Morganelli: The police thought he was agitated. 758 00:38:56,336 --> 00:38:58,546 When they asked him why he stole this stuff, 759 00:38:58,630 --> 00:39:00,924 he just said, "Well, I'm just an asshole." 760 00:39:01,007 --> 00:39:03,927 The officer didn't immediately know who he had. 761 00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:06,429 He actually gave his real name, Robert Durst, 762 00:39:06,513 --> 00:39:09,224 but he gave a Social Security number 763 00:39:09,307 --> 00:39:11,059 which was not an accurate number 764 00:39:11,142 --> 00:39:12,477 and then later clarified it 765 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,729 and gave a second Social Security number. 766 00:39:14,813 --> 00:39:16,481 {\an8}♪♪ 767 00:39:16,564 --> 00:39:18,274 And then, the police officer turns around and says, 768 00:39:18,358 --> 00:39:19,526 "Have you ever been in Texas?" 769 00:39:19,651 --> 00:39:21,069 And Bobby just stopped talking. 770 00:39:21,152 --> 00:39:22,821 He knew he got caught. 771 00:39:22,904 --> 00:39:24,280 A computer check revealed 772 00:39:24,364 --> 00:39:27,325 that Durst was wanted for murder in Galveston, Texas; 773 00:39:27,450 --> 00:39:29,661 {\an8}is a suspect in Los Angeles; 774 00:39:29,744 --> 00:39:31,705 {\an8}and Westchester County, New York. 775 00:39:35,834 --> 00:39:38,294 When a search warrant was executed on his car, 776 00:39:38,378 --> 00:39:40,630 we found $37,000 in cash, 777 00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:42,340 a small amount of marijuana, 778 00:39:42,424 --> 00:39:43,883 and two more handguns. 779 00:39:44,009 --> 00:39:46,428 He had rented a vehicle, pretending to be Morris Black. 780 00:39:46,511 --> 00:39:47,429 Putnal: His head was shaved. 781 00:39:47,512 --> 00:39:49,347 His eyebrows were shaved. 782 00:39:49,431 --> 00:39:52,934 He was clearly an interesting- looking character. 783 00:39:58,815 --> 00:40:02,193 I was shocked to learn that he'd been arrested. 784 00:40:04,738 --> 00:40:07,198 The most wealthy man probably to ever be 785 00:40:07,323 --> 00:40:09,492 in the United States criminal justice system 786 00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:12,871 was arrested for stealing a sandwich and Band-Aids. 787 00:40:12,954 --> 00:40:15,290 {\an8}♪♪ 788 00:40:37,354 --> 00:40:39,397 It really just belies or reveals 789 00:40:39,522 --> 00:40:42,150 the true psychology of Robert Durst, 790 00:40:42,233 --> 00:40:43,735 that he is above the law, 791 00:40:43,818 --> 00:40:46,196 he doesn't have to pay for anything, 792 00:40:46,279 --> 00:40:47,739 whether it's a murder charge 793 00:40:47,822 --> 00:40:49,532 or whether it's a chicken sandwich. 794 00:40:49,616 --> 00:40:54,788 {\an8}♪♪ 795 00:40:54,913 --> 00:40:56,373 Reporter: Robert Durst says Morris Black 796 00:40:56,456 --> 00:40:58,625 was accidentally killed in self-defense. 797 00:40:58,750 --> 00:41:01,169 If Morris Black was here right now, he'd be saying, 798 00:41:01,252 --> 00:41:03,046 "I'm thinking two words, 799 00:41:03,129 --> 00:41:04,297 and one of them's 'bull'!" 800 00:41:04,422 --> 00:41:06,883 They're saying that Durst shot Morris Black 801 00:41:06,966 --> 00:41:10,178 dead-center in the back of his head, 802 00:41:10,261 --> 00:41:11,262 {\an8}but you can't say that 803 00:41:11,346 --> 00:41:13,598 {\an8}'cause you don't have the head! 804 00:41:13,682 --> 00:41:15,850 Reporter: A new, stunning revelation. 805 00:41:15,934 --> 00:41:18,603 I stood up and gasped. 806 00:41:18,687 --> 00:41:22,482 I do want to say I am not guilty. 807 00:41:22,607 --> 00:41:26,152 {\an8}There is no forensic evidence, whatsoever, linking Bob 808 00:41:26,277 --> 00:41:27,946 to Mrs. Durst's disappearance 809 00:41:28,071 --> 00:41:29,781 or Ms. Berman's murder. 810 00:41:29,864 --> 00:41:32,283 Anything he does is pretty much calculated. 811 00:41:32,367 --> 00:41:34,869 That's how cold this man is. 812 00:41:34,953 --> 00:41:41,292 {\an8}♪♪ 813 00:41:41,376 --> 00:41:43,086 {\an8}Robert Durst was sent back to Galveston 814 00:41:43,169 --> 00:41:45,880 {\an8}to stand trial for the murder of Morris Black. 815 00:41:45,964 --> 00:41:48,633 {\an8}He agreed to testify before the jury. 816 00:41:48,717 --> 00:41:50,969 {\an8}The details of what happened to Mr. Black 817 00:41:51,094 --> 00:41:52,971 {\an8}were violent and disturbing. 818 00:41:53,054 --> 00:41:55,473 {\an8}The verdict, and another shocking twist, 819 00:41:55,598 --> 00:41:58,101 {\an8}in part 2 of "Robert Durst." 820 00:41:58,184 --> 00:41:59,310 {\an8}I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 821 00:41:59,394 --> 00:42:01,354 {\an8}Thanks for watching. Good night. 822 00:42:01,479 --> 00:42:03,690 {\an8}♪♪ 63476

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