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Rader: She was chosen.

Since she lived down
the street from me,

I could watch the coming
and going quite easily.

Snuck into the house.

She wasn't there.

I went back to one
of the bedrooms and hid.

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Welcome to "Very Scary People."

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

After torturing and killing
seven people,

demented serial killer BTK
contacted police

to boast
about his brutal acts.

He threatened more victims
would follow.

His real identity was
still a complete mystery.

He dared cops to find him.

The city of Wichita was on edge.

Wichita police form
a secret task force

of seasoned detectives
to track down BTK.

They need to capture him
before he kills again.

Here is part two
of "BTK: The Taunting."

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Hatteberg: Wichita, Kansas,
was in the middle of America,

and nobody locked their doors.

It was a great little town
to be from.

Jordan: The morning
of January 15, 1974,

was just a regular school day
in the Otero household --

until the unthinkable happens.

An intruder enters their home
and commits atrocities

against this innocent family.

I saw my parent's bodies --
It just felt like somebody

had ripped my chest wide open
and pulled my heart out.

Jordan:
And investigators are trying to piece together the evidence

and find the killer when,
in April,

another brutal killing.

Otis: When the crime-scene
investigators

found the DNA stain
on the female clothing,

they collected it,

but there was no DNA
testing at that time.

And so they packaged it
properly, sealed it up,

and put it with the rest
of the evidence.

And Wichita instantly changed.

It wasn't an innocent city
anymore.

Killer breaks in.
He's lying in wait.

And he's thinking he will
be able to subdue her

and do whatever he wants
and fill his fantasy.

BTK studied a lot
about police techniques.

He knew that the police,

basically, were looking
for a common M.O.

The BTK nomenclature --
"bind, torture, kill."

And that's how he wanted
to be known.

So he then sits down and creates
a very elaborate letter

that he will
then send to KAKE-TV.

The writer,
who claimed to be BTK,

admitted to the murders
of the Otero family,

Shirley Vian, Nancy Fox.

He admitted to and gave details
of all of those homicides.

We have an individual
who apparently

has the uncontrollable desire
to kill at times.

This individual is responsible
for seven murders in our city.

Nobody knew where, when, why,
or who was going to be next.

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The idea behind the Ghostbusters
was to have people

that didn't have any impressions
of the investigation up

to that point,

who can put some
fresh eyes on it.

Gagliano:
You're gonna look at it from,

"Hey, do we need to go back
and out and reinterview people?

Could we possibly have
interviewed somebody

with important information
and we missed it?"

The first part
of the Ghostbusters

was just getting
the case together.

The case was all over
the police department.

It was in boxes, it was in
folders in people's houses.

The Ghostbusters brought order
to a dispersal of records.

Brady: Part of the work
was establishing

a department database.

We would look at, for example,
there was a certain gun

which was
used in one of the killings,

and so we did research
on all of those kind of guns,

found every person
who ever bought such a gun

in the United States,
and that went into a database.

The FBI said, "There has to be
a pattern to these crimes."

One of the detectives thought
that the killer was choosing

certain house numbers
to kill people.

I built a database for them
that tracked how far,

let's say, sex offenders
lived from crimes.

O'Connor:
They did a fantastic job.

I mean, they ran down leads.
Incredible leads.

They never gave up.

They tried every lead.

It was just --
They just ran out.

The leads ran out.

I wondered if there
is a pattern.

"Why can't I find it?"

The point is,
these killings were random.

There was no pattern.

He would see somebody, decide,
"I think I'd like to kill them."

There's no connection
between the victims,

there's no connection
between addresses.

It's all random.

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Rader: She was chosen.

I went through the different
phases, the stalking phase.

And since she lived down
the street from me,

I could watch the coming
and going quite easily.

Jordan:
After a seven-year hiatus,

a very long cooling-off period

for a serial killer,
BTK resumes in 1985

with the killing
of a 53-year-old woman

named Marine Hedge --

a neighbor of his who actually
lived right down the street.

He will cut the phone line.
He will enter the house.

And he will wait
for her to come home.

She didn't come home
for quite a while,

and when she did,
she came in with a man,

and the two of them
were talking.

O'Connor:
They hang around, watch TV.

He grows impatient as he sits
in a closet or something,

waiting for her.

Eventually, her date will leave.

She'll go to bed.

And then he comes out,
surprises, shocks Marine Hedge,

and kills her.

Jordan:
This one was different, however.

After he strangled her,
he removed her body

and transported it from her home

to the basement
of the local Lutheran church.

He poses the body.

He photographs it.

He's going to save
those souvenirs for later.

And then he throws her body
in a ditch,

so much like a piece of trash.

So his M.O.
Is actually shaping

and changing
and morphing over time.

Singular: This is a change again
in his M.O.

because he was also selecting
an older victim

because he was now older,

and he wanted to be able to
physically control the person.

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Jordan: BTK's next murder
occurred in 1991,

with a 62-year-old victim,
Dolores Davis.

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Rader:
I had cased the place before, and I really couldn't figure out

how to get in,
and she was in the house,

so I finally
just selected a concrete block

and threw it through
the plate-glass window.

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He didn't mess around
on this one.

He just threw a big block
through the window

while she was
sitting there reading.

And he'll attack her
and kill her, remove her.

He will take her to a bridge
out in the county,

under the bridge,
where it will become light.

He's running out of time,
so he has to leave her,

and he will come back
the next night with a mask

that he will put on her,
and he'll take pictures.

That body is discovered by a boy
waking his dog the next day.

Jordan:
By this time, he's been killing for almost 20 years or so,

but now he's in his 40s.

He's aging out.
He's learned from his crimes.

He's been fought against,
overpowered.

He has made a lot of mistakes.

He wants to make sure
he still gets away with it.

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Otis: Lieutenant Landwehr was
the homicide commander

and was a legend with
the Wichita Police Department.

Before he was a lieutenant,
he was a patrol officer,

and he was assigned to that
initial Ghostbusters task force

which was to look
at the BTK case.

In the late '90s,

our homicide unit started
looking at some cold cases

and picking out cases
that might be DNA-solvable,

now that we had this DNA science
coming on board.

Lieutenant Landwehr assigned
Vicki Wegerle's cold-case murder

to myself and my partner,
Dana Gouge.

He didn't say at all,
nor would he have ever,

"This is a BTK case.
I know it is.

That's how I want you
to work it."

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When Bill Wegerle came home
that day for lunch,

he walked through the house
looking for his wife, Vicki.

When he found her body,
she had been bound.

He used a knife to cut some of
the bindings off of her

as he called the police.

They transported her
to a hospital,

and life-saving efforts
didn't work,

and she'd been
strangled to death.

When we reviewed the initial
investigation of Vicki's murder,

we realized that her Kansas

driver's license
had been missing.

Lieutenant Landwehr had told us
that his belief on the case

was that it probably
was not the husband,

based upon that driver's license
being missing.

However, the detectives
that worked it in 1986

focused really hard
on the husband,

thinking it was
a domestic violence issue.

The license had never
been recovered.

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Singular:
It was January of 2004,

which was the 30th anniversary
of the Otero murders,

and The Wichita Eagle decided
to run a story about BTK.

Roehrman:
The Eagle ran a story,

saying it had been 30 years
since the first BTK deaths.

In part of the story,

the reporter talked
to Professor Beattie,

a local college professor
and author.

When he would mention BTK
in his classes,

his students had no idea
who BTK was.

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Singular:
30 years had passed.

This is sort of fading
into Wichita's history,

and there was
a lot of speculation --

"Well, he's probably dead,"
or, "He left the state,"

or, you know,
"All of this is in the past."

BTK read the story,
and he noted in there

that people were saying
that he was dead.

Beattie said he was writing
a book about this,

and that really bothered BTK
because he felt

that nobody could write
his story other than himself,

that he had to be
the one to do it,

and this aggravated him.

"If anybody's gonna tell
my story, I'm gonna do it."

Hatteberg: When he saw that
story, he decided, "I'm back.

I'm starting up again."

Nobody in 2004 expected that.

Roehrman: So, a little while
after The Eagle had its story

about the 30th anniversary
of the Otero deaths,

a letter came into the newsroom,

and the return address
was Bill Thomas Killman,

the initial as in "BTK."

Inside were three pretty
blurry photos

of somebody lying on a floor
and a driver's license.

Otis:
My partner, Dana Gouge, and I

are sitting
in the homicide unit,

working on cases.

A captain came up to the unit

and was holding
an envelope in his hand,

and he said that a reporter
from The Eagle newspaper said,

"This is a weird letter
we got at the paper.

It appears to have a photocopy
of three Polaroid pictures

of some female laying on
the ground inside of a house."

I will never forget when
Dana Gouge opened that letter.

He looked at what he had
in front of him,

he slid it across
the desk to me,

and there were
three Polaroid photograph

photocopies of Vicki Wegerle
laying dead in her home.

Also, with those
three Polaroids,

was a photocopy of her
missing Kansas

driver's license
and the initials BTK.

That symbol was not out
in the public.

And seeing that BTK symbol
on a piece of paper

with pictures of Vicki
was bone-chilling.

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Singular: About a week later,
Lieutenant Ken Landwehr,

who's in charge
of the murder investigation,

has a press conference.

The Wichita Police Department
on Friday

received information
from The Wichita Eagle

and received a letter
in the mail --

referenced the homicide
of Vicki Wegerle

on September 16, 1986.

The letter contained copies
of photographs

and a personal item
of Ms. Wegerle.

We've also been able
to determine

that this communiqué
most likely came from BTK.

We begin tonight with a killer
on the loose,

a madman still out there
taunting police and reporters.

He's known as the BTK killer
because he binds, tortures,

and kills his victims.

For more than 30 years,

Wichita has lived in fear
of those initials,

and tonight it seems
he has surfaced yet again,

sending new clues about who he
is and the lives he's taken.

Peters:
We were scared to death.

It was a total replay of
when he was killing in the '70s.

Was he still killing right now?

And who was gonna be next?

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Jordan:
In 2004, BTK is 59 years old,

and it's not that
he's too old to murder,

but, remember,
it's the power and control

that really fuels him.

He launches this new
cat-and-mouse game

with the police
and the local media

and the public to basically say,

"This is
the 30th-year anniversary,

and guess who's back?"

It was even scarier because,
when he resurfaced,

no one had known
that he committed

the murder of Vicki Wegerle
until he resurfaced.

So then we're like,
"What other ones are there?"

Singular:
BTK wanted attention.

He wanted attention
for his crimes.

He wanted recognition.

So Lieutenant Landwehr decided,

"We want to set up
communication with him.

We want to perhaps establish
some sort of connection

with him."

Kenny Landwehr was a natural
for that position.

A lot of Kenny's press
conferences were always planned,

and it was part of a plan
to keep BTK communicating,

keep him sending information
to us, keep him talking.

This is one of the most
challenging cases

that I've ever been
involved with,

and I find that the individual
that is doing this

would be
very interesting to talk to.

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Those type of conversations
or those types of communications

are carefully choreographed
and scripted.

You can't make any mistakes
in those situations.

We knew that we were
getting through to him

and he was actually
listening to us.

Mattingly: The killer unleashed
a flurry of communications

to local media,

three of them delivered
to television station KAKE.

Peters:
First, he sent the chapter book,

where he wanted
to write his own story.

In one of the communications
to station KAKE,

the killer recently detailed a
list of possible chapter titles,

as if he were writing
his own story about this case.

He couldn't stand the idea of
someone else writing his story.

He was also giving suggestions
on what kind of chapters

there should be in the book,
how to break out his story

into different chapters
for the audience to read.

The first section seems
to describe

how the killer stalks a victim.

Some words are easy to find --
"prowl,"

"spot victim,"

"follow," "fantasies."

The names of the chapters
were even frightening,

let alone the 13th chapter,
"Will There Be More?"

Mattingly: He had obviously put
a lot of thought into this.

The question was, how did
he want his story to end?

That's the one thing
nobody knew,

and then nobody knew
what he had in mind.

Kiesling: Another mysterious
postcard sent to KAKE today,

one that could be from BTK.

Peters: Then, after the puzzles
came the postcards.

The postcards to KAKE-TV
with clues.

"Go to the corner of this street
and this street,

and you will find
a cereal box under a stop sign.

In the cereal box
will be another clue."

Well, we sent a reporter
right out there.

Sure enough,
there was a cereal box.

Inside of the cereal box,
there were several things,

but the most disturbing thing
was a doll,

almost like a Barbie-type doll,
bound the way that BTK had bound

the little Otero girl
in the basement.

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We're all very seasoned
homicide detectives,

and we were all shocked.

Recent communications
from BTK have included

several items of jewelry.

There was jewelry included
in the Post Toasties box

that was left
on North Seneca Street,

as well in communication
number 7,

in the package received
yesterday by KSAS Fox 24.

Otis: The postcard in there
talked about some of the crimes

and also commented
that the media or the police

haven't talked about
the Home Depot drop he made.

BTK had pulled into
the parking lot of a Home Depot,

put a cereal box
in an employee's truck bed.

The employee found it,
called dispatch,

who called me,
and we went and recovered that,

and it was more taunting
with dolls and stolen jewelry.

On the plus side,

Home Depot had cameras
covering their parking lot.

They had to shut down
their store and their system

in order to obtain videotape.

You can't see him, but you
can see the car come in,

you can see an individual
get out of the car,

and then you can see something
being placed

in the pickup of this employee,
and then the car drives off.

Detective Relph,
who knew a lot about cars,

tried to identify the car.

We had captured his vehicle
at a Home Depot,

and we knew from the photograph

that he was driving
a Jeep Cherokee.

That was the very first piece
of evidence from BTK

that we got on our own,
that wasn't given to us,

and that was
a huge breakthrough.

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Welcome back to
"Very Scary People."

BTK had disappeared, no sign
of him for more than 10 years,

but now he was back --

the taunting,
the cat-and-mouse games.

The citizens of Wichita
are terrified.

BTK thinks he has
the upper hand,

but all that is about to change.

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He was writing
to the police department

every once in a while, saying,

"I'm gonna take out
an ad in the classifieds,

and I'm gonna
give you a clue."

So Lieutenant Landwehr would
read the classifieds

and would answer him
in the classifieds.

Otis: One of the communications
that he sent us,

BTK asked if we could trace
a floppy disk.

And in that communication,
he asked us to be honest.

He writes, "Be honest."

Now, I don't know what he was
thinking,

if he had bumped
his head that day

or what the hell
he was thinking,

so he asked us
to put it in the paper,

"Rex, it will be okay."

And so we put in the paper,
"Rex, it will be okay."

That was meant to be,
"Oh, don't worry about it."

We would never be able
to trace that.

So he sends it.

The amusing thing to me was,

is that he told law enforcement
to be honest, and we weren't.

I head out to pick up
the package.

We get to the Fox station.

There's more jewelry in it,
there's a note in it,

and the floppy disk.

We rush the floppy disk
to our computer guy.

Randy Stone, the computer guy,
puts it in the computer.

When I think about it,
you still get goose bumps,

because I was present when
the disk went into the computer.

The mistake that BTK made
was, he made

a copy of that test file,
and once he copied it,

it locked in identifiers
in the computer gibberish.

I vividly recall going through,
and then you see "Dennis,"

and then you see
"Christ Lutheran Church."

Otis: The message on the disk
had been created

at the Christ Lutheran Church
in Park City.

We used Google
and Googled the church.

It shows the church,
where it's at in Park City,

and then it shows
the officers of the church,

and Dennis Rader was listed
as the congregational president.

Sure enough, right there --

"President of the congregation,
Dennis Rader."

They had their man.

Once they said the name Dennis,
I can tell you,

some of us were already cheating
our way to the car

'cause we knew we were going.

Singular: Detectives leave
the Wichita Police Department,

drive up to Park City,
go to his house,

and see, in the driveway,
parked is the vehicle

that they'd picked up
on the video

from the Home Depot parking lot.

Now they know that
that is the vehicle,

and it's just one more
piece confirming

that they're on the right track.

Otis: Once Detective Relph
and Detective Snyder

found the black Jeep Cherokee
in the driveway,

we were fairly, fairly confident

that this was our guy.

This Dennis Rader guy was BTK.

I can tell you
that Detective Relph was ready,

and a couple of us were prepared
to help him park

down the street,
walk up, knock on the door,

and when he comes to the door,
we're gonna grab him.

Lieutenant Landwehr said,
"We're not gonna do that.

I need somebody
to sit on the house.

We're gonna send undercover
people up to start surveillance,

and I need everybody else
to come back

to the task force office

so we can figure out
how we're gonna do this."

Foulston:
This is the killer?

What kind of background or
history does this person have?

What kind of twisted life
has this person led?

Singular: Dennis Rader was born
in 1945 in Kansas,

and his family then later moved
to Park City, Kansas.

He had three younger brothers.

He was the oldest, and that was
very important to him

in that he thought of himself
as a very responsible son.

We don't have any evidence
at all

that he was horrifically abused.

He had married parents.

As far as we can tell,
nothing bad ever happened

to young Dennis Rader.

At the same time, he had
early on this penchant

for doing a couple of things
that were somewhat unusual.

Someone in the family had these
True Detective type magazines

from the 1950s,

where you would see women
on the cover.

Maybe they were tied up,

or maybe
they were looking at an attacker

who was off-screen in horror,
and he was exposed to them,

and he found them stimulating.

He started making drawings
of sort of mummy-like figures

where there would be women
with lines across them,

as if they were being tied up.

O'Connor: He talked about,
from a young age,

some family members
being out on a farm

where they had killed a chicken,
and that chicken

had to be tied to a stump
before they cut its head off,

and he described
being aroused by that.

Jordan: He was aware from
a very young age

that he had
these sexual fantasies

which were completely abnormal,

that he was what outsiders
would call perverted,

that he had paraphilias and
urges that nobody else shared,

and he fostered them.

He didn't talk to others
about them.

He never went to a psychiatrist
or a psychologist

to try to figure out where
these urges were coming from.

He simply harbored them and knew
that, some day,

he would act on them.

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Mattingly: This wasn't any kind
of criminal mastermind.

This wasn't some
great intellectual.

But Dennis Rader was one thing.

He was a monster.

There's no other way that you
could describe what he did.

Singular: Dennis Rader was
married to Paula in 1971.

They would have two children.

From what we know, he was
a devoted father and husband.

Jordan:
Dennis Rader's long-time jobs --

and he had two of them,
really --

were working as a crew chief
for ADT Security --

a job where he got
to wear a uniform

and be a security expert --
and then later, of course,

the compliance officer
for the town where he lived,

where he went around basically
enforcing codes on barking dogs

and how high your grass is
and whether or not you have

an unregistered vehicle
in your driveway.

Dennis Rader was also a very
steadfast member of his church

for decades,
Christ Lutheran Church.

By January of 2005,

he had become the president
of the congregation,

and that means taking care
of a lot of business

and running council meetings
and all of that.

So he could not have had
a higher standing

inside of his faith.

Foulston:
It was like, "Oh, my God.

This is the person
that's been doing this?

This guy who's hyper-religious,
involved with his church

and loves the Boy Scouts
and does all this?

This is the killer?"

Morton: He was busy.

I mean, his son was
an Eagle Scout.

He used to take his son
to all those camp-outs

they have to do.

His daughter was also involved
in all kinds of things,

and he was involved
in her life, as well.

We knew he had to be involved
in his own life,

and matter of fact,
we stated the reason he stopped

was because life
caught up with him.

I was not surprised that he was
able to compartmentalize

this away from his family
so his family had no idea.

Burgess: This is not uncommon
for these serial killers

to talk about having
the good and the bad side,

or the evil side
and the good side.

I mean, they do dichotomize
themselves.

I even had one serial killer
that had himself

in three different parts --
you know,

his work life, his home life,
and his killing life.

So they are able
to compartmentalize.

That's a tactic that they have
that they're able to do,

and they kind of pride
themselves on it.

Law enforcement went about
stalking Dennis Rader

for a week.

We had, like, a war room where
we started investigating Rader.

We went back to the task force
and sat around

and began to discuss
what our plan was going to be.

Singular: Lieutenant Landwehr
says, "What we need is DNA.

Now, we have those
three DNA samples

that we have been in storage
for now 31 years --

the Otero crime scene,
the Fox crime scene,

and the Wegerle crime scene."

Otis: We're talking about
following him,

seeing if he'll drop a fork
in a restaurant

or if he'd smoke a cigarette
and throw it down.

By this time, we knew
Dennis Rader had a daughter,

and his daughter
had attended college

at Kansas State University.

One of the agents that was
working with us knew that campus

and said they had a women's
clinic on campus

for the students.

Maybe we can look
for the Pap smear of her.

O'Connor: We had a lot of
discussion about it,

and, ultimately,
the decision was made

that the privacy interests
were outweighed

by the law-enforcement interests
in catching a serial killer.

We had presented it to a judge
to get court approval,

and then we were able to obtain
that Pap smear

and do that reverse DNA.

Otis: About 24 hours later,
Lieutenant Landwehr

took a phone call from
the DNA scientist, who said,

"I can't tell you that
Dennis Rader is your killer,

but I can tell you that the
father of Kerri Rader is BTK."

And then we had our DNA match.

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Otis:
When we got that DNA sample back, we planned the arrest.

The plan was, three cars
would take him down

on the side of the road,
we'd attempt to arrest him.

If he would've resisted, it'd
have been a bad day for him.

Foulston: These things are
now moving very quickly.

It was planned and orchestrated.

Everything was in order.

Dennis Rader gets up,
goes through his routine,

gets in his truck, and goes
about his job that morning.

He always leaves for lunch
at exactly 12:15 to go home.

Takes him two minutes
to get there.

They'd done enough surveillance,
and we were very familiar

with his routine by this point.

He came down the road.

He was coming from work.

The truck went down the road,
and I slammed my car in drive.

Police cars pull in around him,
stop him, tell him to get out.

Otis: We got him out of the car,
we put him on the ground,

and we handcuffed him.

We stood him up.

And in the very back of our line
of our police cars

was Lieutenant Landwehr in
the back seat of a Ford Taurus.

Dennis Rader was put
in the back seat

right next to Kenny Landwehr.

And they look at each other.

"Hello, Mr. Landwehr."

"Hello, Mr. Rader."

Landwehr says, "Do you know
why you're here?"

He says, "I have
a pretty good idea."

Otis: We had staged the
interview with Dennis Rader

far in advance of him
being in that room.

We had a camera and obviously
audio and video

recording going on.

Morton: Literally, in 3 hours
and 15 minutes,

it got to a point where Ken was
finally talking to him about DNA

and where we could get DNA from.

He basically said,
"Well, you got me,"

and he still wouldn't say it.

So I finally looked at him
and said, "Come on, Dennis,

just tell us who you are."

You're BTK. Okay.

We begin tonight with
breaking news in the case.

We have just learned that
Dennis Rader

has now been booked
into the Sedgwick County Jail.

Peters: Rader has been charged
with 10 counts now

of first-degree murder.

Today is a very historic day

for the Wichita
Police Department.

BTK is arrested.

Relph: Once he was caught

and they did the search
of his house...

...then in the crawlspace area,
he had a big ziplock bag

that had stuff from Dolores
and Marine,

and he had several Polaroids.

O'Connor:
He had things in his home,

and that's why people
had speculated,

how could the wife not know?

And it's because most
of the stuff

was behind false drawers
or false walls, so hidden.

Otis: He told us about
the cabinet in his office.

The top drawer was work stuff.

We opened the bottom drawer,
and it was full of BTK

memorabilia --
newspaper clippings,

some of his original pictures,

some of his original
1970s letter to the cops.

He called it "the mother lode."

Foulston:
He was really prolific.

He used to take photographs
of himself.

He would half-bury himself.

He would swing from trees.

He would put masks on.

He would put
women's clothing on.

It was despicable, disgusting,
sexually bereft-type of stuff

that you have never seen
in your life

and you don't ever
want to see again.

And that was all involved
with that case.

In our minds,
as this was discussed

and kind of profiled down
at the Behavioral Science Unit,

was really his art.

And he does a lot in what
we call the expressive style.

He really likes that.

O'Connor:
He actually entered pleas of guilty to the 10 homicides,

and so Judge Waller
had Rader describe the murders

at his guilty plea,
and I believe Dennis Rader

was more than happy
to describe what he had done.

Man: When you went into the
house, what happened then?

Well, I confronted the family.

I pulled the pistol,
confronted Mr. Otero.

Otero:
That day we went to court,

and we listened to the testimony

about how my family was killed.
It was very, very hard.

I didn't have a mask
on or anything.

They already
could I.D. me.

It was once again that feeling
of my chest being ripped open,

had come back to me.

And made a decision

to go ahead
and -- and put 'em down.

Otis: He recited them like
he was reading a book.

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And that was spine-chilling.

Otero: Everybody asks me,
"Do you forgive him?"

All I can say is,
I can't lie to you -- no.

As far as, like,
his punishment goes,

I hope he lives
a long, rotten life.

You know, I don't forgive him.

I know that's a problem
I have as a Christian.

The Lord knows
how I feel about it.

When I hear the name
"Dennis Rader,"

the first thing that comes
to mind is disgust.

Dennis Rader has never really
truly apologized

for anything he's done,
has never truly apologized

to the victims' families,
has never,

I feel, felt remorse
for what he did.

Otero:
It was a great family.

My mom was great,
she really was -- and my dad.

And that's why,
when I do these interviews,

one of the reasons why is just,
for one instant, my family,

who've been gone
for almost 40 years now,

they're relevant again
in today's society.

They existed, and the world
knows they existed,

and they didn't just
get erased from life

and swept under the carpet.

They were somebody, and they
were worthy of life, you know?

And, to me, that's important.

O'Connor: Dennis Rader was
sentenced to 10 life sentences,

all run consecutive
to one another,

so he'll die in prison.

He is in the El Dorado
Correctional Facility.

Foulston: The first question
that people would ask,

"Why can't you get
the death penalty for him?"

I'll say, "Oh, because there was
no death penalty for those times

and places where
these incidents occurred."

This was somebody
that should not have lived.

I wish we'd had
the death penalty for him.

After what he did?

O'Connor:
He liked what he did.

It may be something
that's hard for us to grasp,

why a person would want
to do that, but he enjoyed it.

It wasn't his parents' fault,
wasn't society's fault.

He just liked doing
what he was doing

and wished
he could've done it more.

It's what he wanted to do,
it's what he wanted to be,

and if he had his choice,
that's who he would be,

not the Dennis Rader

the husband/father/compliance
officer.

He wanted to be
BTK the serial killer.

After Dennis Rader's arrest,

his wife was granted
an emergency divorce.

Over the years, his daughter

has exchanged letters
with her father,

searching for
some kind of explanation

for his horrible deeds,

if something violent happened
to him during his childhood,

but Rader has always insisted

he was never physically
or sexually abused as a child.

Lieutenant Kenny Landwehr
was determined to get his man,

and he did.

Many credit him
as the reason Rader

was finally captured.

A true hero, Landwehr died in
2014 after a battle with cancer.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

Thanks for watching.

Good night.

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