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{\an8}♪♪
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Larry King: What did
you get out of it?
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David: Nothing.
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I just, like,
felt I had no mind.
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I felt something else
was controlling --
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controlling me.
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Welcome to "Very Scary People."
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I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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Between July of 1976
and June of 1977,
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David Berkowitz was busy
making nightmares a reality,
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maiming or killing
11 innocent victims.
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Certain he was targeting
long-haired brunettes,
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women began cutting
and coloring their hair.
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Couples avoided going out.
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All to escape being attacked
by the Son of Sam.
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Panic in New York City
was mounting.
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Where and when would
the killer strike next?
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Police had no real leads.
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Then, finally, a mistake
puts an end to the terror.
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This is part two of "Son Of Sam:
I am a Monster."
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{\an8}♪♪
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Reporter: He struck
in the dark of night,
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popping out of the shadows
in the Bronx and Queens.
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Kamen: There was nothing
that told them the killer
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{\an8}was about
to do open fire on them,
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and he did.
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Man: A killer made his way
from one dark street
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to another without a face
and name, without an identity.
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He was an M.O.
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{\an8}Everyone agreed that it was
a young white male
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between 25 and 30 years old,
about 6 feet tall.
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Borrelli: "I am a monster."
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Kamen: "I am the Son of Sam."
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{\an8}It scared the shit
out of 7 million people
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{\an8}that lived in the city.
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Reporter #2: Young people
stopped sitting in cars,
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stopped going out,
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or went out only
when they absolutely had to.
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{\an8}Everybody was afraid.
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{\an8}Because they really don't know
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{\an8}where he's going
to turn up next.
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He captivated this city
for an entire year.
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So, who was this monster
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that was stalking
the city of New York?
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David:
I knew it was wrong,
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but when a mind
is captured by Satan,
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you can't look at things
and evaluate things
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in their right perspective.
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He was adopted by Pearl
and Nathan Berkowitz.
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He seemed to have a relatively
normal childhood at first,
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but then behavioral issues
started to bubble up.
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{\an8}His adoptive mother died
of cancer when he was 14.
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Interviewer: What was that
like for you?
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David:
Completely devastating.
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Jordan: June 26, 1977,
Judy Placido, 17 years old,
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and Salvatore Lupo.
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They had gone out to a disco
in Queens.
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At the end of the night,
they walked back to the car
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and got inside.
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{\an8}They were actually talking
about the murders happening
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{\an8}and how scary it was,
and then it hit them.
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{\an8}Klausner: The same thing
that's happened before --
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{\an8}a figure walks up, takes
a shooting stance, and bang!
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{\an8}
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{\an8}That particular night,
my partner and myself,
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{\an8}we were just a couple
of blocks away.
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And by the time we got there,
it was said and done.
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He's evaded capture.
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Jordan: Even though Judy
and Sal survived,
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they really couldn't provide
any description to the police.
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Police, once again,
were stumped.
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Those things create an image
that he will not be caught.
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The police cannot see him.
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He is a wisp of smoke that
just dissipates into the air.
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King:
So, there was no plan
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on how I'm gonna get away
with this?
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David: No.
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No plan to deceive?
No, no.
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I was just a real mess.
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Klausner: The police really have
nothing to go on.
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Is there going to be
another shooting?
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Of course, the police
knew there would be.
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More police officers
are assigned,
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Queens and the Bronx,
but he won't strike there again.
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Now he will strike in Brooklyn.
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Jordan: On July 31, 1977,
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Robert Violante
and Stacy Moskowitz
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were out on a date
in Brooklyn.
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Kamen: Stacy's mom,
Neysa Moskowitz, said,
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"You be careful tonight,
sweetheart."
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The warning could not prevent
the nightmare.
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Stacy's response was,
"Mom, I'm a blonde."
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Jordan: At the end of their
night, they drove down to a park
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underneath
the Verrazzano Bridge,
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which was a well-known
lovers' lane.
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They were in an area
where couples would park.
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Jordan:
They got out of the car
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and walked over
to the swing set.
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But they saw a man
watching them..
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...and decided to return
to the car.
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Klausner: And at that moment,
the shooting occurs.
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{\an8}Whoever would have been
in that particular spot
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{\an8}would have gotten killed.
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It was my daughter's
unfortunate luck
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to have been there.
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He approached the car,
and he fired through the window.
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Woman:
He was covered with blood,
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and the girl was covered
with blood.
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It was a horror.
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Just started screaming,
just screaming and screaming.
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Stacy Moskowitz was transported
to the hospital, where she died.
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And Robert Violante was shot
and blinded for life.
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{\an8}I lost something
very dear to me.
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{\an8}Great kid.
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Kamen: You have to really feel
for the cops on this.
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They're waiting for something
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that will let them
put things together.
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They want to stop the killer.
They have to stop the killer.
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Collarini-Schlossberg:
Inevitably,
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killers make mistakes.
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And so did the Son of Sam.
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It seems that David Berkowitz
had looked into his background
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shortly before he started
his killing spree.
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He wants to find out more
about his birth family.
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Klausner: David had
this idealistic view
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of what his real mother
and father would be like.
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And, unfortunately, he isn't
happy with what he finds out.
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David: My parents told me,
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I think when I was around 5
or 6 years old,
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that I was adopted.
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I really had a hard time
with that
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because my parents, meaning well
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and probably under
the instruction of other people,
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were told to tell me
that my mom had died
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while giving birth to me
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and that my dad
couldn't care for me,
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so he put me up
for adoption.
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Interviewer: But that
wasn't true, was it?
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No.
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Jordan: His father, Nate,
finally told him the truth.
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His mother hadn't actually died
in childbirth.
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David: I think now,
looking back in retrospect,
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there was times
I had a lot of guilt
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because I thought that somehow,
in some way,
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I was responsible
for the death of my mom.
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I see it did cause a lot
of difficulty in my life.
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I had internal struggles
over that issue.
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{\an8}David was actually born
to Betty Falco.
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David is a baby out of wedlock.
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She had had an affair.
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Her pregnancy with David
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was, in fact, a product
of the affair.
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But even more disturbing
to David
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was the fact that Betty had
a daughter named Roslyn,
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13 years older,
that she had never given up.
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And he went to great length
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to search out
his natural family.
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And he actually met
his natural mother,
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his sister, and her children.
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And they had, at one point,
you know, a nice relationship.
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And then, ultimately,
he felt greatly rejected
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by his natural mother, Betty,
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because although she retained
and cared for his sister,
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she chose to give him away.
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Jordan: This would cause
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a deep-seated
and harboring rage within him.
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The psychiatrists found
the interaction
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with the birth mother
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and his older sister
quite significant
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in terms of what may have
led him to kill.
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These are all very powerful
experiences
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in the life of someone who
feels inadequate to begin with.
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The abandonment by his mother,
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the death
of his adoptive mother,
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the fact that he never
had a girlfriend --
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all of these negative
experiences
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really bubbled up into a rage
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where he wanted
to get back at women.
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At that point,
he was certainly delusional.
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And I think his delusions
pushed him in the direction
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of these horrible crimes.
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And very shortly after,
will start out on this rampage.
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When David Berkowitz
aimed and shot
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each of those young women,
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he is symbolically killing
every woman
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who has ever rejected him
or let him down.
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{\an8}He looked me straight in the
face, he looked at my dog.
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{\an8}And right here...
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{\an8}we crossed each other.
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{\an8}Cecilia Davis didn't like
the look of this guy,
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{\an8}so she hurried home.
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And just as she got inside
her house and closed the door,
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she heard the rain of bullets...
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...the shooting that took
the lives of Robert and Stacy.
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She told the police
about this strange man
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she saw just
before the shooting,
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and she remembered
something else.
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Justus: On the night
of the Moskowitz shooting,
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she saw the police officers
issuing a summons to a car.
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It was right next to the hydrant
by her home.
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{\an8}So, the first thing you do
is you pull all the summonses
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{\an8}that are issued.
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{\an8}Boring? Yeah.
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{\an8}But it's something
that had to be done.
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Jordan: There could be other
witnesses besides Cecilia Davis
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who could give them a clue
as to who the shooter is.
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Breslin: But the police looked
for the ticket,
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{\an8}and they couldn't
find the ticket.
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There was a thought that maybe
there was no summons served,
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but she was so positive of it.
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Where is it?
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I found out who
the police officer was
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that had that sector,
called him on the phone,
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and I asked him, you know,
"Did you issue a summons?"
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And he said, "Yes."
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And I asked him, "Well, why
wasn't the summons turned in?"
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He said the chaos that night --
when somebody gets shot,
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the last thing you're thinking
about is that stupid summons.
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And he just forgot about it,
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and he stuck the summons
in his hat.
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The patrolman who wrote the
ticket didn't submit the ticket.
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He put it in his locker
for a couple of days.
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{\an8}Again, this whole thing is going
towards a possible witness.
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{\an8}I went in and I looked in
his summons receipt book.
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{\an8}They found four that were handed
out that night by the police.
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{\an8}Kamen: And there's a parking
ticket for a vehicle
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{\an8}that isn't even
a New York City vehicle.
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{\an8}It's from this northern suburb,
Yonkers.
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Klausner: From a car
that was parked
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at a fire hydrant,
a Ford Galaxy,
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to someone named
David Berkowitz.
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Max: They're looking at this
and thinking,
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"What is this guy,
you know, from Yonkers,
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you know, doing in Brooklyn,
in that neighborhood?"
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It just seemed out of place.
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There is a higher power,
as they say.
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So, Justus picks up the phone,
and he calls the Yonkers P.D.
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and a very pleasant woman
answers the phone.
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Thank God the person
on the switchboard
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was Wheat Carr.
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Jordan:
Wheat Carr was the daughter
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of Yonkers resident Sam Carr.
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Over the previous year,
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the Carr family had been
harassed by somebody.
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They had a dog named Harvey,
and Harvey would bark.
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The harasser sent
threatening letters
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complaining about Sam's
barking dog,
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threw a Molotov cocktail
into their yard.
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And one night,
the person shoots their dog.
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The Carr family had figured out
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that the person doing it was
their neighbor, David Berkowitz.
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So when Detective Justus calls
Yonkers to look into Berkowitz
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as a possible witness
to the Moskowitz murder,
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by complete coincidence,
Wheat Carr picks up the phone
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because she just so happens
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to be a dispatcher
for the Yonkers P.D.
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It was being at the right place
at the right time, so to speak.
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And as soon as I mentioned
David Berkowitz,
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she said,
"Let me tell you about him.
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I know him."
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He lived in the apartment house
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directly behind
where her and her father lived.
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She then related a story
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about her black Labrador
retriever
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being shot by Berkowitz,
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and the fact
that Berkowitz was strange.
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Clark: He says, "He shot
your father's dog?"
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"Yeah."
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"What's your name?"
"Wheat."
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In one of the letters,
he had said, "Wheaties."
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"Okay, what's your dad's name?"
"Sam."
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"Sam?!"
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And every great detective
has instinct.
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I went back to my command,
and my inspector was there.
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And he said,
"Well, how'd it go?"
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And I said to him,
"I think we got the guy."
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Collarini-Schlossberg: And
the next step was to set him up
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{\an8}so that they could
make an arrest.
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{\an8}♪♪
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Jordan: On August 10, 1977,
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NYPD detectives take a road trip
up to Yonkers, New York,
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and coordinate a stakeout
on that Ford Galaxy.
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It's parked right outside
of David Berkowitz's apartment.
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{\an8}And they looked in the car.
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{\an8}Clark: And they see a duffel bag
with a gun sticking out of it,
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{\an8}and this letter
in that Son of Sam handwriting.
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{\an8}So, what they did was, they set
up a surveillance on the car.
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And they wait.
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Jordan: Sure enough,
about 10:00 p.m. that night,
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a white, heavyset man
with dark hair
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comes out
and approaches the car.
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Coffey: He's got a brown
paper bag in his hand.
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{\an8}He puts it
on the car seat.
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{\an8}Within seconds, police have
surrounded the vehicle.
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{\an8}He says, "Put your hands
on the dashboard,
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{\an8}turn the ignition off,"
which he does.
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{\an8}He immediately said,
"You got me."
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And they said, "Who do we got?"
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He said, "I'm the Son of Sam."
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He's just smiling at them.
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He gives himself right up.
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In the bag on the front seat
of the car,
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{\an8}was the .44-caliber gun
that killed all those people.
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Game over.
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Reporter #2: This is the man
police say
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is the .44-caliber killer.
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Young, dark-haired,
almost chubby.
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When he came into the building,
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we all had the same reaction --
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how ordinary-looking
this guy was.
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I think his appearance
was almost startling to people.
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{\an8}All along, we think we're gonna
find this screaming, crazy guy.
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He was a regular Joe.
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He had a big smile on his face.
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He was almost enjoying the fuss,
the excitement.
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{\an8}♪♪
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{\an8}I am very pleased to announce
that the people
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{\an8}of the city of New York
can rest easy this morning.
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Police have captured a man
whom they believe
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to be the Son of Sam.
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Kamen:
I was at the press conference.
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{\an8}You can imagine
what this moment is like
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{\an8}across the entire
New York City police department.
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{\an8}Oh, I was elated.
It was a wonderful feeling.
338
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{\an8}Hopkins: People were in the
streets. They were partying.
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{\an8}And it was all over
the radio, TV.
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{\an8}David Berkowitz,
when arrested --
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{\an8}24-year-old guy,
was working at the post office.
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{\an8}People who knew him said,
"I would have had no idea."
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Hopkins: We went to the post
office, where he worked,
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and they're all in disbelief.
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Max: He had been escorting some
of his young female colleagues
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to walk to their cars because of
this mass murderer on the loose.
347
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Hopkins: One fellow says,
"Well, every morning,
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he would have the newspaper."
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And at that time,
this was in the newspaper
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every day, front page.
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And he would turn around
and say to them,
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"I hope we get this son
of a bitch."
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To me, that was --
that was crazy.
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{\an8}♪♪
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{\an8}Klausner:
They bring him to New York City
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{\an8}to the chief
of detective's office.
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{\an8}Borrelli: We stuck him in a room
all by himself,
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{\an8}and all the detectives that had
a case went in, interviewed him.
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Hopkins: We all had a shot
at him, questioning.
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It was an eerie feeling,
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'cause here's the conclusion
of all that we did,
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and it's in front of us.
363
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David just tells them
everything.
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He went through
each of the killings.
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{\an8}He knew every detail.
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{\an8}He knew how he shot
every victim.
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{\an8}He knew the conditions
of the street.
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{\an8}He knew where he shot
the victims.
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He knew what part of the body
he shot them in.
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He's very nonchalant, sometimes
a little bit of a smirk,
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which kind of unnerved you
a little bit.
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{\an8}He was so proud of what he had
done, that he was so famous,
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{\an8}and he couldn't wait
to tell everybody about it.
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{\an8}He was, frankly, as he told me,
greatly relieved.
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{\an8}Jordan:
In his confessions to police
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{\an8}and subsequent interviews,
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{\an8}David Berkowitz
would provide the details
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that would shed light on each
of those individual killings.
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One of the first shootings,
he said that,
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"I saw the two girls in a car.
381
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I went around the block.
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There was my sign.
383
00:20:08,667 --> 00:20:10,293
There's this beautiful
parking space.
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I pulled right into the parking
space, walked up, shot them...
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...got back in the car,
and drove away."
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A spot to park his car
was what got these girls shot.
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Jordan:
After the second one...
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...he pulled over at a White
Castle hamburger restaurant
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and had a meal.
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{\an8}♪♪
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There were a number of times
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when we learned through
the interviewing process
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that Berkowitz had gone out
perhaps intending to shoot
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but did not.
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Clark: He was out every night,
driving around,
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waiting for something
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that triggered him
to go shoot somebody.
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Hopkins: He probably traveled
400, 500 miles
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from one borough to another,
400
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and he was just
searching out victims.
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{\an8}It was all opportunistic.
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00:21:05,890 --> 00:21:10,395
Heller: There was never
a specific rhyme or reason.
403
00:21:10,478 --> 00:21:11,896
It was just random shootings.
404
00:21:13,273 --> 00:21:17,193
He told me that his
primary object was the female.
405
00:21:18,737 --> 00:21:20,238
And of course, in those days,
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young men wore their hair
kind of long,
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00:21:22,157 --> 00:21:24,993
so you didn't know
whether you were necessarily
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shooting a male or a female.
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00:21:27,579 --> 00:21:29,664
In some instances,
the men were hit, also.
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Klausner: He was embarrassed
that he even shot at men,
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because that wasn't
his objective.
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{\an8}♪♪
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There were some stories,
unfortunately,
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where they
just missed the killer.
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There was a code put out,
the 44 code.
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When that happened, the bridges
were going to be manned
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by police officers
after a shooting incident.
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00:21:55,774 --> 00:22:00,695
There were two policewomen
guarding the tollbooths.
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The killer was in the third car
to come.
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The gun was on the seat
next to him.
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00:22:07,243 --> 00:22:08,745
The two police decided
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they weren't gonna have
any business tonight,
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00:22:11,623 --> 00:22:16,086
and they left just as the cars
were pulling up.
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And he would have been stopped
right there.
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{\an8}♪♪
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In 1975, at Christmastime,
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David decides
it's time for blood.
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00:22:36,272 --> 00:22:42,487
So he accosts a young lady
on a footbridge
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that spans a parkway
in the Bronx.
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He described stabbing her
multiple times.
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00:22:50,912 --> 00:22:52,330
Collarini-Schlossberg: He
thought that that was going to be
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an easy way to kill a person.
433
00:22:55,792 --> 00:22:58,670
He apparently
had some ideas from TV shows
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{\an8}that the person was just
going to get stabbed,
435
00:23:02,007 --> 00:23:03,174
{\an8}collapse, and die.
436
00:23:03,258 --> 00:23:07,971
And instead, this particular
woman fought back.
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00:23:08,054 --> 00:23:09,514
She starts to scream.
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00:23:10,724 --> 00:23:12,183
And that disturbs him.
439
00:23:12,308 --> 00:23:20,358
{\an8}♪♪
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{\an8}♪♪
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00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:27,699
Max: She didn't die.
442
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There was a little bit of panic
that he described,
443
00:23:29,534 --> 00:23:35,123
with a knife actually going into
another human being's flesh.
444
00:23:35,206 --> 00:23:37,876
Borrelli: He ran away.
I guess then after that,
445
00:23:38,001 --> 00:23:39,669
he decided
he was gonna use a gun.
446
00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:41,546
Collarini-Schlossberg:
He really didn't want there
447
00:23:41,671 --> 00:23:43,006
to be too much
of a messy scene for him.
448
00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:47,010
He wanted to do it, get it done,
and go away.
449
00:23:47,093 --> 00:23:50,930
He had a friend purchase him
the gun down in Texas.
450
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He will go to another state, get
a straw purchase of a handgun,
451
00:23:57,896 --> 00:24:01,566
and come back to New York
and start a shooting spree
452
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where you can shoot
from a distance.
453
00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:07,030
It's less personal,
in the same vein.
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{\an8}♪♪
455
00:24:15,914 --> 00:24:20,418
{\an8}♪♪
456
00:24:20,543 --> 00:24:23,129
Welcome back
to "Very Scary People."
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After his arrest in 1977,
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00:24:26,091 --> 00:24:28,551
David Berkowitz readily
admitted to police
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that he was the man
they'd been searching for --
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the serial killer known
as the Son of Sam.
461
00:24:34,182 --> 00:24:36,476
The city was relieved
to get him off the streets.
462
00:24:36,601 --> 00:24:38,895
And it couldn't have happened
at a better time.
463
00:24:38,978 --> 00:24:40,271
On the night of his arrest,
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Berkowitz was allegedly
going out to kill again.
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This time, headed to a nightclub
in Long Island,
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where he planned
to carry out a mass shooting.
467
00:24:49,155 --> 00:24:51,491
But there were still
many questions that remained.
468
00:24:51,616 --> 00:24:53,576
In the first interrogation
and confession,
469
00:24:53,660 --> 00:24:57,580
investigators asked the question
everyone wanted to know --
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Why did he kill?
471
00:25:02,043 --> 00:25:04,838
Kamen: David Berkowitz
told the police
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00:25:04,963 --> 00:25:07,048
that it really wasn't his fault.
473
00:25:07,132 --> 00:25:09,759
{\an8}He was doing the bidding
of a powerful demon
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00:25:09,843 --> 00:25:13,638
{\an8}that was speaking to him through
his neighbor Sam Carr's dog.
475
00:25:13,722 --> 00:25:19,602
{\an8}He fixates on this Carr family
mainly because of the dog.
476
00:25:19,686 --> 00:25:22,522
{\an8}The dog kept howling
and waking him up.
477
00:25:22,647 --> 00:25:26,359
{\an8}And caused him a great deal
of sleep deprivation.
478
00:25:26,484 --> 00:25:28,486
Jordan:
He said that the dog barking
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00:25:28,611 --> 00:25:29,738
was sending him a message
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00:25:29,821 --> 00:25:32,490
{\an8}from a 6,000-year-old man
named Sam
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and telling him
that he had to go out and kill.
482
00:25:35,243 --> 00:25:37,662
Kamen:
And so he was the Son of Sam.
483
00:25:37,746 --> 00:25:39,122
That's what he called himself,
484
00:25:39,205 --> 00:25:42,417
because he said the demon
told him to do it.
485
00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:44,127
David: I had nothing
against these victims.
486
00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:46,254
Who were these people to me?
487
00:25:46,338 --> 00:25:50,008
They were just people.
I wasn't angry against them.
488
00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:51,801
Interviewer:
Then why'd you do it?
489
00:25:51,885 --> 00:25:53,345
Well, Sam did it through me.
490
00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:54,929
He used me.
491
00:25:55,013 --> 00:25:56,181
He made me go out there
and do it.
492
00:25:56,264 --> 00:26:00,018
He -- I did it for him,
for blood.
493
00:26:00,101 --> 00:26:01,603
Klausner: It was pure chance.
494
00:26:01,686 --> 00:26:04,147
It wasn't a calculated thing.
495
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:07,025
The demons would tell him,
"Hey, this is the one.
496
00:26:07,108 --> 00:26:09,152
Do it."
497
00:26:09,235 --> 00:26:10,487
Heller: David clearly,
498
00:26:10,570 --> 00:26:13,114
at the time
these crimes were committed,
499
00:26:13,198 --> 00:26:17,077
had a very reduced mental state.
500
00:26:17,202 --> 00:26:19,704
The best word I could use
is delusional.
501
00:26:19,788 --> 00:26:23,875
He had delusions
about everything around him.
502
00:26:23,958 --> 00:26:32,467
{\an8}♪♪
503
00:26:32,550 --> 00:26:40,684
{\an8}♪♪
504
00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:44,979
Klausner: When the police got
into his apartment,
505
00:26:45,063 --> 00:26:48,358
they found something
they were not ready for.
506
00:26:50,235 --> 00:26:54,531
His apartment shows
a tormented soul.
507
00:26:54,614 --> 00:26:57,784
{\an8}He kind of closed up
his apartment
508
00:26:57,909 --> 00:27:01,621
{\an8}and put curtains
over the windows
509
00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:04,165
and really isolated himself.
510
00:27:06,501 --> 00:27:09,921
Max: One entire wall
of Berkowitz's apartment
511
00:27:10,046 --> 00:27:11,297
was covered in --
512
00:27:11,423 --> 00:27:14,592
{\an8}I will use the word
"bizarre" -- writings.
513
00:27:14,676 --> 00:27:18,221
There were writings
about Sam Carr.
514
00:27:18,304 --> 00:27:21,433
A lot of writings about Satan.
515
00:27:21,516 --> 00:27:23,101
There were the writings
for the demons,
516
00:27:23,226 --> 00:27:25,895
where they lived, who they were.
517
00:27:25,979 --> 00:27:27,939
There was actually a hole
in the wall.
518
00:27:28,064 --> 00:27:31,609
He said somebody lived
in that hole.
519
00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:35,864
Hopkins: Sometimes he'd go home
without finding anybody,
520
00:27:35,947 --> 00:27:37,782
and that depressed him.
521
00:27:37,907 --> 00:27:40,410
And then the hole in the wall
would respond to say,
522
00:27:40,493 --> 00:27:43,121
{\an8}"Well, you have to go out
and do this again."
523
00:27:46,958 --> 00:27:48,668
{\an8}Who does that?
524
00:27:51,796 --> 00:27:54,215
Reporter #3: Today,
Berkowitz's 68-year-old father
525
00:27:54,299 --> 00:27:57,302
held an emotional news
conference to try to explain,
526
00:27:57,385 --> 00:28:00,805
to try to reach out
to those his son allegedly hurt.
527
00:28:00,930 --> 00:28:05,352
{\an8}I will live with this heartache
for the rest of my life.
528
00:28:18,573 --> 00:28:24,162
{\an8}♪♪
529
00:28:26,748 --> 00:28:33,338
{\an8}♪♪
530
00:28:33,421 --> 00:28:40,220
{\an8}♪♪
531
00:28:40,345 --> 00:28:46,893
{\an8}♪♪
532
00:28:47,018 --> 00:28:49,688
{\an8}Reporter 4: Berkowitz was
brought to court
533
00:28:49,771 --> 00:28:51,231
{\an8}in an 8-vehicle motorcade.
534
00:28:51,356 --> 00:28:55,735
{\an8}David and I went to the Supreme
Court in Kings County,
535
00:28:55,819 --> 00:28:59,239
where an arraignment
was conducted.
536
00:28:59,364 --> 00:29:01,241
There must have been
literally over
537
00:29:01,366 --> 00:29:05,078
3,000 media people
from all over the world.
538
00:29:06,871 --> 00:29:10,333
{\an8}Would there be a trial?
Would he be set free?
539
00:29:10,417 --> 00:29:12,919
There were 101 questions.
540
00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:20,260
Heller: What surprised me
was how calm he was.
541
00:29:20,385 --> 00:29:22,804
Usually people are very erratic.
542
00:29:22,929 --> 00:29:25,598
They can become violent
at times.
543
00:29:25,682 --> 00:29:30,520
But he was very friendly,
very cordial,
544
00:29:30,603 --> 00:29:33,106
and at that point,
very contrite.
545
00:29:33,189 --> 00:29:39,612
I found him to be very,
very bright, very perceptive,
546
00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:41,614
actually brilliant.
547
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:47,996
I guess there's a very thin line
between insanity and genius.
548
00:29:50,623 --> 00:29:53,084
{\an8}First order of business
then became determining
549
00:29:53,168 --> 00:29:57,255
{\an8}whether or not
he was competent to stand trial.
550
00:29:57,339 --> 00:30:01,009
{\an8}I felt for sure they would just
put him in a nuthouse
551
00:30:01,134 --> 00:30:02,635
{\an8}and that'd be the end of it.
552
00:30:02,719 --> 00:30:06,181
Max: It was clear from the
letters that he had written
553
00:30:06,306 --> 00:30:08,767
that he had a disordered mind.
554
00:30:08,850 --> 00:30:13,355
Under the law, a person
who is legally incompetent
555
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,815
cannot be tried.
556
00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:22,405
{\an8}Eventually, he has to go in
for evaluation, which he did.
557
00:30:22,489 --> 00:30:26,868
Max: The outward appearance
of Mr. Berkowitz was normal.
558
00:30:26,993 --> 00:30:30,163
And in responding
to the psychiatrists,
559
00:30:30,246 --> 00:30:36,002
for the most part, he sounded,
I'll use the word "rational."
560
00:30:37,504 --> 00:30:43,176
However, when questioned about
the killings and about why,
561
00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:46,554
what he was articulating
was what those first doctors
562
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,058
called a fixed
delusional structure.
563
00:30:50,183 --> 00:30:53,478
"I did this because
the demons on Earth,
564
00:30:53,561 --> 00:30:55,897
speaking through
Sam Carr's dog,
565
00:30:56,022 --> 00:30:58,483
were telling me
they needed blood."
566
00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:04,030
That was how he articulated
to the doctors
567
00:31:04,155 --> 00:31:05,782
why he killed.
568
00:31:05,865 --> 00:31:08,368
Reporter #5: Their opinion,
that Berkowitz is not competent
569
00:31:08,451 --> 00:31:11,371
to help his lawyers
or understand the proceedings,
570
00:31:11,454 --> 00:31:14,666
not competent to stand trial.
571
00:31:14,749 --> 00:31:17,002
Max:
Reality was, there was no way,
572
00:31:17,085 --> 00:31:21,006
given the intense pressures
on the district attorneys,
573
00:31:21,089 --> 00:31:24,342
the terror that the city
had suffered,
574
00:31:24,426 --> 00:31:26,678
that a finding of incompetence
575
00:31:26,761 --> 00:31:31,391
was going to be acceptable
to the powers that be.
576
00:31:31,474 --> 00:31:33,643
{\an8}He simply killed
too many people,
577
00:31:33,727 --> 00:31:35,395
{\an8}and they couldn't
let that go by.
578
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,730
If you spoke to him
for 30 seconds,
579
00:31:36,855 --> 00:31:38,189
you could see
he was crazy,
580
00:31:38,273 --> 00:31:39,983
but there were too many
dead bodies around,
581
00:31:40,066 --> 00:31:41,985
and somebody had
to account for them.
582
00:31:42,068 --> 00:31:45,071
{\an8}So they put another
psychiatrist in.
583
00:31:45,155 --> 00:31:48,783
Max: Brooklyn D.A.'s office
hired Dr. David Abrahamsen.
584
00:31:48,908 --> 00:31:51,911
Abrahamsen says,
"Well, look at the way
585
00:31:51,995 --> 00:31:55,582
in which he is able to talk
to us about everything."
586
00:31:55,707 --> 00:31:57,584
Collarini-Schlossberg:
This was someone
587
00:31:57,667 --> 00:31:59,336
who knew what he was doing.
588
00:31:59,419 --> 00:32:03,590
{\an8}He was smart enough to come up
with a psychological discussion
589
00:32:03,715 --> 00:32:07,886
{\an8}to explain away his crimes
by making us think
590
00:32:07,969 --> 00:32:12,724
that he was some kind of
mentally ill psychotic person.
591
00:32:12,807 --> 00:32:14,893
But one of the things
that we know about people
592
00:32:14,976 --> 00:32:18,897
who commit an offense like this
is you can't be a madman
593
00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:22,317
and do the kind of planning
and execution
594
00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:24,402
that a man like this did.
595
00:32:24,486 --> 00:32:28,656
Max: Abrahamsen said Berkowitz
was not lacking in capacity.
596
00:32:28,782 --> 00:32:30,950
He thought that he was
actually malingering.
597
00:32:31,034 --> 00:32:32,619
"He can control his actions,
598
00:32:32,744 --> 00:32:34,120
because he tells me
that on occasion,
599
00:32:34,245 --> 00:32:37,123
he would go out
and would not kill."
600
00:32:37,248 --> 00:32:39,459
And on the basis of that,
601
00:32:39,584 --> 00:32:42,962
David was found competent
to stand trial.
602
00:32:46,299 --> 00:32:50,178
{\an8}He could have gone to trial
and tried the insanity defense.
603
00:32:50,303 --> 00:32:53,306
{\an8}His lawyers believed
that he should try to claim it.
604
00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:55,934
Max:
But the next month or so,
605
00:32:56,017 --> 00:33:01,106
the doctors at the hospital
allowed a minister to see him,
606
00:33:01,189 --> 00:33:05,568
and David has converted
to Christianity.
607
00:33:05,652 --> 00:33:06,986
Well, what happened --
608
00:33:07,112 --> 00:33:10,323
Berkowitz says,
"I am going to plead guilty.
609
00:33:10,407 --> 00:33:13,118
I'm not going to use
an insanity defense,
610
00:33:13,201 --> 00:33:17,163
because I'm going to be
giving credence to these demons,
611
00:33:17,288 --> 00:33:20,125
and I can't do that,
and Jesus has saved me."
612
00:33:20,208 --> 00:33:22,669
{\an8}I just wanted to end it,
613
00:33:22,752 --> 00:33:24,170
{\an8}and I was just
so distraught.
614
00:33:24,254 --> 00:33:27,132
{\an8}I just confessed
and pled guilty
615
00:33:27,215 --> 00:33:28,675
{\an8}and got it over with.
616
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,678
They consolidated all the cases,
617
00:33:31,803 --> 00:33:34,097
had him come in
and enter a guilty plea.
618
00:33:34,180 --> 00:33:37,976
Then it just became a matter
of sentencing after that.
619
00:33:38,059 --> 00:33:46,443
{\an8}♪♪
620
00:33:46,526 --> 00:33:48,820
Max: What ultimately happened
with Berkowitz is,
621
00:33:48,903 --> 00:33:51,781
sentencing was set maybe
10 days later
622
00:33:51,865 --> 00:33:55,785
and a very disturbing
scene occurred.
623
00:33:57,370 --> 00:33:59,122
Reporter #6: There was no hint
of trouble to come
624
00:33:59,205 --> 00:34:02,542
as Berkowitz was driven to court
in an armored van.
625
00:34:02,625 --> 00:34:05,795
But once inside, a struggle
broke out on the 7th floor.
626
00:34:05,879 --> 00:34:08,006
Berkowitz said he didn't
want to be sentenced.
627
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:12,052
He kicked and bit some of five
officers trying to move him.
628
00:34:12,177 --> 00:34:14,721
Two officers were hurt,
but not seriously,
629
00:34:14,804 --> 00:34:17,807
before Berkowitz
was finally subdued.
630
00:34:17,891 --> 00:34:19,726
In court, spectators waited.
631
00:34:19,809 --> 00:34:21,102
When Berkowitz was brought in,
632
00:34:21,227 --> 00:34:23,229
it was evident
he was still agitated,
633
00:34:23,355 --> 00:34:25,106
wild-eyed in handcuffs.
634
00:34:25,231 --> 00:34:28,902
{\an8}And the moment he hits
the center of the courtroom,
635
00:34:29,027 --> 00:34:30,570
{\an8}he starts to singsong chant.
636
00:34:30,695 --> 00:34:32,614
Reporter #6:
Shouting repeatedly,
637
00:34:32,739 --> 00:34:36,242
"Stacy was a whore!
I'd kill her again!"
638
00:34:36,326 --> 00:34:38,203
Kamen: It's one of the few times
in my career
639
00:34:38,286 --> 00:34:42,082
I wanted to get up and attack
a person who was speaking.
640
00:34:42,207 --> 00:34:43,917
Max:
He had to be wrestled down
641
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,960
and dragged out
of the courtroom.
642
00:34:46,086 --> 00:34:49,547
It was a very chilling scene,
643
00:34:49,631 --> 00:34:51,257
and I'm sure it was
quite disturbing
644
00:34:51,383 --> 00:34:55,136
to the families of the victims,
and the victims who were present
645
00:34:55,261 --> 00:34:59,265
to see the surface veneer
of normal appearance disappear
646
00:34:59,391 --> 00:35:02,102
and be replaced
by something scary.
647
00:35:02,227 --> 00:35:03,603
I believe that David Berkowitz
648
00:35:03,728 --> 00:35:07,190
was a profoundly disturbed
human being.
649
00:35:07,273 --> 00:35:10,318
To me, his appearance in court
just locked it in.
650
00:35:10,443 --> 00:35:13,446
This is a guy who killed
because he hated women.
651
00:35:15,949 --> 00:35:20,495
Ultimately, he was sentenced
to a number of sentences
652
00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:22,872
of 25 years to life.
653
00:35:22,956 --> 00:35:26,918
It's 25 to life for each
of the 6 victims.
654
00:35:27,002 --> 00:35:30,046
The maximum for each
of the crimes committed.
655
00:35:30,130 --> 00:35:32,507
Jordan: Plus additional time
for attempted murders
656
00:35:32,632 --> 00:35:33,967
of his other victims.
657
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:36,052
{\an8}I don't have a whole lot
of hate and anger,
658
00:35:36,136 --> 00:35:38,054
{\an8}possibly because
I'm still alive.
659
00:35:38,138 --> 00:35:40,306
{\an8}But I certainly don't --
I don't forgive him.
660
00:35:40,432 --> 00:35:43,351
{\an8}I would've liked more to have
happened to him.
661
00:35:43,476 --> 00:35:45,520
{\an8}The electric chair,
for instance.
662
00:35:45,645 --> 00:35:52,152
{\an8}♪♪
663
00:35:54,654 --> 00:36:02,579
{\an8}♪♪
664
00:36:02,662 --> 00:36:06,541
{\an8}When I first came to prison,
I was very suicidal.
665
00:36:06,666 --> 00:36:09,002
And I was disgusted
with my life.
666
00:36:09,127 --> 00:36:12,922
I was angry at a lot of people.
667
00:36:13,006 --> 00:36:14,758
I saw no hope.
668
00:36:16,801 --> 00:36:18,470
Can you tell us
what happened to your neck?
669
00:36:18,553 --> 00:36:20,513
Uh...
It's so obvious.
670
00:36:20,638 --> 00:36:23,016
That's a nasty scar.
Yeah.
671
00:36:23,141 --> 00:36:26,353
In 1979, another inmate --
672
00:36:26,436 --> 00:36:28,730
I guess to make a name
for himself --
673
00:36:28,855 --> 00:36:31,441
tried to take my life.
674
00:36:31,524 --> 00:36:35,362
And he stuck me when I wasn't
looking with a razor
675
00:36:35,445 --> 00:36:37,781
and opened up
the whole side of my neck.
676
00:36:37,864 --> 00:36:43,661
{\an8}♪♪
677
00:36:43,745 --> 00:36:49,334
{\an8}♪♪
678
00:36:49,417 --> 00:36:53,421
{\an8}David admitted
that he was a fraud.
679
00:36:53,546 --> 00:36:55,340
{\an8}Jordan: He said he made
the whole thing up,
680
00:36:55,423 --> 00:36:57,092
{\an8}that he was just lying
and malingering
681
00:36:57,217 --> 00:36:58,468
{\an8}with that "Son of Sam"
682
00:36:58,551 --> 00:37:00,929
{\an8}and the barking dog
telling him to kill.
683
00:37:01,054 --> 00:37:03,890
That he knew what he was doing
and he knew that it was wrong.
684
00:37:03,973 --> 00:37:07,227
Collarini-Schlossberg: And that
his effort to look like
685
00:37:07,352 --> 00:37:09,312
a psychologically
deranged person
686
00:37:09,396 --> 00:37:10,563
was part of his facade
687
00:37:10,689 --> 00:37:13,900
to excuse the behaviors
that he did.
688
00:37:16,277 --> 00:37:19,406
This was not the demons
in his head.
689
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:25,370
This was his own
psychological disturbance.
690
00:37:27,664 --> 00:37:30,166
Later, he would insist
that he did not act alone,
691
00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:33,712
that he was actually acting
on behest of a satanic cult
692
00:37:33,795 --> 00:37:35,422
and they forced him
to do these things
693
00:37:35,505 --> 00:37:37,924
and there were other people
who conspired with him
694
00:37:38,008 --> 00:37:39,551
and were part of the shootings.
695
00:37:39,634 --> 00:37:42,262
You were sort of
satanically involved?
696
00:37:42,387 --> 00:37:43,513
Yes, I was.
697
00:37:43,596 --> 00:37:45,724
{\an8}It was the worst mistake
of my life.
698
00:37:45,807 --> 00:37:49,394
I was lonely.
I was looking for companionship.
699
00:37:49,477 --> 00:37:52,397
There's never been any evidence
to support
700
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,482
that there were
other people involved.
701
00:37:54,607 --> 00:38:00,196
He'll say at the moment what
he feels people want to hear.
702
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:04,784
What kind of work
do you do?
703
00:38:04,868 --> 00:38:08,413
I work in the mental
health unit.
704
00:38:08,496 --> 00:38:11,249
And I'm there as, like,
a peer counselor
705
00:38:11,332 --> 00:38:14,294
for the men
that have emotional problems.
706
00:38:14,377 --> 00:38:16,421
Do you get
psychiatric counseling?
707
00:38:16,504 --> 00:38:18,256
No, I don't.
No.
708
00:38:18,340 --> 00:38:19,883
The Department of Corrections
has given me
709
00:38:19,966 --> 00:38:23,887
a clean bill of health.
710
00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:25,805
After spending time in prison,
711
00:38:25,930 --> 00:38:30,060
David became pretty much
a born-again Christian.
712
00:38:30,143 --> 00:38:35,857
{\an8}During his time in jail,
an inmate befriended David
713
00:38:35,982 --> 00:38:39,944
and he started to
introduce him to the Bible.
714
00:38:41,821 --> 00:38:44,157
David: Prison is not easy,
but over the years,
715
00:38:44,282 --> 00:38:45,825
God has given me
a lot of strength
716
00:38:45,950 --> 00:38:49,829
and a lot of hope to make it
and to endure and to survive.
717
00:38:49,954 --> 00:38:52,707
Glassman: He even changed his
nickname and his whole image
718
00:38:52,832 --> 00:38:55,335
{\an8}to the Son of Hope
instead of the Son of Sam.
719
00:38:55,460 --> 00:38:57,462
I feel that God has completely
forgiven me,
720
00:38:57,545 --> 00:39:00,715
and he's taught me
how to forgive myself.
721
00:39:03,343 --> 00:39:07,013
Have you ever had to deal
with relatives
722
00:39:07,097 --> 00:39:08,264
of the victims
directly?
723
00:39:08,348 --> 00:39:11,309
What would you say?
724
00:39:11,393 --> 00:39:12,686
That I'm sorry.
725
00:39:12,811 --> 00:39:14,187
{\an8}Neysa, I understand he --
this guy Berkowitz --
726
00:39:14,312 --> 00:39:15,480
{\an8}actually sends --
727
00:39:15,563 --> 00:39:17,273
{\an8}has sent you a card
on Mother's Day?
728
00:39:17,357 --> 00:39:18,608
He has written you
letters.
729
00:39:18,692 --> 00:39:20,193
I have many letters
from him.
730
00:39:20,318 --> 00:39:21,528
Do you believe
he's a changed man?
731
00:39:21,611 --> 00:39:23,780
I mean, he says
he's found God in prison.
732
00:39:23,863 --> 00:39:25,657
Do you think that's some
sort of bid,
733
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:27,951
maybe holding out hope that
he might get parole someday?
734
00:39:28,034 --> 00:39:32,205
{\an8}No, he makes me feel
like stone inside of me.
735
00:39:32,288 --> 00:39:34,040
{\an8}He's an animal.
736
00:39:34,165 --> 00:39:35,250
King:
You're gonna be here
737
00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:36,376
the rest of your life,
right?
738
00:39:36,459 --> 00:39:37,627
David: That's right.
739
00:39:37,711 --> 00:39:39,421
I'm doing consecutive
life sentences
740
00:39:39,546 --> 00:39:41,840
totaling more than 300 years.
741
00:39:41,923 --> 00:39:43,633
What do you do
with something like that?
742
00:39:43,717 --> 00:39:45,468
Larry,
believe it or not,
743
00:39:45,552 --> 00:39:47,929
I have learned to just be
content and accept the fact.
744
00:39:48,054 --> 00:39:52,642
Klausner: He comes up
every two years for parole
745
00:39:52,726 --> 00:39:55,895
and doesn't even ask
for a hearing now.
746
00:39:55,979 --> 00:39:59,941
Heller: When I spoke to David
and discussed the legal approach
747
00:40:00,066 --> 00:40:03,361
that we could take
to get him released,
748
00:40:03,445 --> 00:40:07,490
he basically said to me,
"I'm okay.
749
00:40:07,574 --> 00:40:10,744
I've already been freed
by a greater spirit."
750
00:40:13,747 --> 00:40:20,211
{\an8}I don't want to sound harsh,
but they all suddenly find God
751
00:40:20,295 --> 00:40:22,422
{\an8}and, "Now I'm a changed person."
752
00:40:22,547 --> 00:40:24,799
{\an8}Some of them may have.
I don't believe he did.
753
00:40:24,924 --> 00:40:27,927
{\an8}I would love to think
that he's suffering
754
00:40:28,011 --> 00:40:31,056
{\an8}every minute
of his time there.
755
00:40:31,139 --> 00:40:35,935
{\an8}But I also think he should
have been eradicated.
756
00:40:36,019 --> 00:40:40,690
{\an8}You notice, every interview
of that son of a gun --
757
00:40:40,774 --> 00:40:42,734
{\an8}Never mentions the killings.
758
00:40:42,817 --> 00:40:47,280
All he talks about is,
"I've changed, I help others."
759
00:40:47,405 --> 00:40:49,699
He doesn't talk about the dead.
760
00:40:49,783 --> 00:40:52,285
He should die right where he is.
761
00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:56,081
That's a terrible thing to say,
but that's how I feel about him.
762
00:41:10,428 --> 00:41:18,144
{\an8}♪♪
763
00:41:18,228 --> 00:41:21,731
Interestingly, one other thing
found in Berkowitz's apartment
764
00:41:21,815 --> 00:41:25,735
was a journal with detailed
dates and times of fires --
765
00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:29,322
{\an8}Fires that some people
believe he set himself.
766
00:41:29,406 --> 00:41:31,866
{\an8}Was the serial killer
also an arsonist?
767
00:41:31,991 --> 00:41:34,285
{\an8}It's one mystery
that we may never know.
768
00:41:34,369 --> 00:41:38,373
{\an8}Oddly, over time, some people
started to believe the "Sam"
769
00:41:38,498 --> 00:41:39,624
{\an8}in "Son of Sam"
770
00:41:39,708 --> 00:41:40,834
{\an8}was the name of the dog
771
00:41:40,917 --> 00:41:42,711
{\an8}that allegedly tormented
Berkowitz
772
00:41:42,836 --> 00:41:44,754
{\an8}and gave him
his murderous orders.
773
00:41:44,838 --> 00:41:47,674
{\an8}But it was actually
the dog's owner, Sam,
774
00:41:47,799 --> 00:41:50,552
{\an8}that helped give
the serial killer his moniker.
775
00:41:50,677 --> 00:41:52,137
{\an8}I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
776
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:53,346
{\an8}Thanks for watching.
777
00:41:53,471 --> 00:41:55,515
{\an8}Good night.
61738
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