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Anytime any of us are working on
anything,
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I think it's very difficult to predict
what the outcome of that work product
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will be.
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Sometimes a project gets lucky. In the
case of Night of the Living Dead, I
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the project and we got very lucky.
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They're coming to get you, Barbara.
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Usually Night of the Living Dead is
talked of in...
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regards to its relation to previous
zombie movies, but it doesn't actually
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the word zombie.
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I mean, one of the problems with pre
-Night of the Living Dead zombie films
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what to do with zombies.
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And so you get movies like White Zombie
or I Walked with a Zombie or Plague of
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the Zombies, which are all about the
evil people who exploit zombies rather
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zombies themselves, who are walking
furniture.
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Now when people say zombies, it means
something different.
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I didn't see one of the most famous
zombie films. I walked with a zombie
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relatively recently.
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That, I'm afraid, I'm sorry to say,
doesn't stand up awfully well today
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because the lead zombie is little more
than a catatonic woman, completely
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harmless. She doesn't eat anyone.
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Romero changed the rules and Night of
the Living Dead was a
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very, very important film. There's no
doubt about it. I think it makes as much
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sense to relate Night of the Living Dead
to...
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Invisible Invaders or The Last Man on
Earth, which is an Italian film based on
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an American novel, I Am Legend, as it
does to relate it to White Zombie or
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of the Zombies or even Plague of the
Zombies.
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Those are kind of a different thing.
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The notion of the zombie apocalypse, the
flesh -eating ghouls, the idea of an
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infection, all of those come from other
stories. They're sort of from vampire
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stories. That's what Richard Matheson in
I Am Legend does with it.
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And if you look at most zombie
apocalypse movies, zombies are like the
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They could be an earthquake or a
hurricane or a volcano.
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for all the difference that would make
to the plot.
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And that distinguishes them from most
monsters who have some kind of human,
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moral, relatable dimension. Maybe it's
what makes zombies the nightmare
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for our time.
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Okay, an admittedly hokey premise.
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Recently dead people coming back to
life.
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However...
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If such a phenomenon could happen, how
would it play out and affect the lives
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of the people around them? And that we
tried to depict as we thought people
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might react.
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And that strategy and that storytelling,
certainly in the case of Night of the
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Living Dead, did pay off.
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Romero's Night of the Living Dead was a
superlative horror film and I
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can still remember distinctly seeing it
in a cinema in London's
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Piccadilly in 1970.
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I remember that it seemed so real that
just for a
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moment when I came out of the cinema I
expected to see zombies walking down
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Piccadilly. And then, of course, I
clicked back into reality, and I felt
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that was the mark of a truly great
horror film.
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Johnny, you're still afraid.
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Stop it now, I mean it.
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It was our first attempt at a narrative
feature film, and we wanted that to be
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portrayed in a way that was as realistic
as possible.
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Night of the living dead. The dead who
live on living
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flesh.
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Associated theaters were the first
theaters that played Night of the Living
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Dead. And George Stern, who was one of
two cousins who operated Associated
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Theaters, the night after it opened in
their theaters,
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called and he said, you boys are going
to make a million dollars with this
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picture because we have never seen a
first night turnout for
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what actually was a drive -in movie, a
neighborhood theater movie.
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And in his experience, he knew right
from the very beginning that there was
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something special about this film, so
much so.
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that he picked up the phone and he
called his exhibition counterparts in
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Philadelphia and Cleveland and
Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus, and other
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and said to his exhibition compatriots,
you have to book
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this picture, we are doing, our opening
night business was phenomenal, and
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ultimately that connection from the,
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a man who was responsible for the
Pittsburgh exhibition, spread through
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movie business like wildfire. So it did
pretty much right from the jump.
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Get launched into something more than
just, oh, it's just another drive -in
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movie.
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It was everything that we got was from
hero worship to...
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People thought that we were satanically
inspired and that we had made a
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movie of absolutely no social redeeming
value and that we had no place
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as movie artists, as film artists.
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And everything in between.
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I personally did not pay
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as much attention to other films that
came in the close footprint
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of Night of the Living Dead.
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But I did know that Night of the Living
Dead, although we certainly could not
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have planned for or predicted it to be
so groundbreaking, it was.
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Night of the Living Dead essentially
creates its own
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Zombie movies started to hit home, and
in between Night of the Living Dead and
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before we got to, like, Romero's opus of
Dawn of the Dead, you had the Spanish
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-produced movie, Living Dead at
Manchester Morgue, there was the Amanda
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'Othorio's Blind Dead.
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I think there's four or five of those. A
beautiful young girl is trapped by the
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evil forces.
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No one is safe from their curse.
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They touch base with what Romero did.
They use bits and pieces of the other
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film. And because they're in different
contexts and because some of them are
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made by sort of interesting filmmakers,
they have stuff going on in them.
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Imagine, if you will, that something has
gone terribly wrong.
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Shoot it, man. Now, accept the fact that
there's no escaping the horrible
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consequences.
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George Romero brings back the dead.
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Night of the living dead has ended.
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Dawn of the dead is here.
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Night of the living dead, I saw when I
think about it.
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When I saw Zombie, I saw it with Dario
Argento, who was editing it,
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because Dario...
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When there is no more room in hell, the
dead will walk the earth.
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My favorite version of...
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So between the American version, the one
shot by Romero, and the Italian one,
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there's a big difference.
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because the girl who is pregnant in the
film of Romero is seen every nine months
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of pregnancy, while here you see the two
who get married, the mention of
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pregnancy, then we are already at the
end, that is, the middle part, which is
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the part, let's say,
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of stabilization, that is, they live in
the supermarket, armored and the zombies
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are out, so for a period of time
apparently nothing happens, the living
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to live within the consumerism, as soon
as they manage to consume, the dead are
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out and want to enter to be able to
consume.
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Then at some point the balance breaks
and the dead eventually enter.
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But while Romero's film has a very high
sociological value,
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And then it was more of a mass
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horror, I don't know how to say it, of a
sensation.
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Worldwide then the Italians did their
usual thing of slipping in into the
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and doing their own sort of imitations
And you know and it brings us around to
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thought she's gonna be flesh eaters or
zombie as it's known in the u .s
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Zombie 2 was a rip -off, as the
Americans call it, on
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Zombie, George Romero's film, directed
by Dario.
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The film by
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Fucci came out before Romero's, and
above all it was written a year and a
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before.
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The film Zombie 2 was born in 1978,
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more or less in the summer, in June or
July, because a producer, who is
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now dead, Gianfranco Cuglian, asked me
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made me read an Italian comic, Tex
Wheeler, where there was an adventure of
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in the Valley of Death where he met a
kind of living dead.
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Then he asked me if it was possible to
make a film, a commission between horror
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and western.
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So I said no, this was not possible, but
that it would have been possible to
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make a commission between adventure
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and horror.
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The film is shot with the original title
which is The Island of Living Deaths.
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In June, when the film is finished,
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they have news that Dario Argento is
shooting Zombie with Romero.
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Then, Ugo Tucci makes a joke, changes
the title to
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exploit the notoriety of Dario and the
film of Romero.
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because they didn't accept the idea that
others would follow a film of theirs
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and they sued the Rome Tribunal asking
for the change of the
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title because they said that Zombie was
ours and they couldn't follow our film.
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But the Tribunal rejected their request
saying that Zombie wasn't a title
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invented by them but a common word.
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In Italy, Dawn of the Dead was released
as Zombie, and Fulci's came out as
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Zombie Due.
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But if you get past the title, there's
really no comparison, because Fulci's in
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the Caribbean dealing with voodoo, and
Romero's Dawn of the Dead is the
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continuation of Night of the Living
Dead. I mean, what the hell's going on
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Have you ever heard of voodoo?
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Voodoo?
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Doctor, you gotta be joking.
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That's kid stuff.
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I mean, voodoo is just plain
superstitious bullshit.
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So that
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stirs back
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in something from...
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So you can't say it's a sequel.
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It's not a sequel.
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Casme is a prequel. It's what happens
before the events narrated in Romero's
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Zombie.
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because Fulci decides to set his story
in the land of voodoo and black magic,
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the Caribbean.
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My film, which was an adventure, was
shot like a yellow.
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And so I wrote this story set in the
Caribbean, where I actually did a little
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bit on the island of Dr. Moreau and
other things, because there was actually
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doctor who was more or less crazy, who
did experiments and so on, and therefore
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has Caribbean legends.
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I think the main similarity between the
two films
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is the big siege.
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ending.
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And that's kind of a common thing in
zombie movies.
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I mean, you have to find somewhere to
kind of hole up. You have to figure out
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strategy. And the best strategy seems to
be find somewhere you can defend, block
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yourself in.
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Although it is kind of the worst
strategy because as soon as you do that,
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just keep coming and they know you're in
there. They know there's food in there
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and they just kind of mill around
aimlessly and they're never going to go
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What both films are suggesting is that,
you know, there is no stopping the
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zombie apocalypse.
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There is no way to end it. Both films
are saying we can't stop this, we can't
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fight it. That it is the true
apocalypse. There is no happy ending to
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these stories.
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which is very much linked to the end of
Romero and precisely the end, that is,
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the zombies on the bridge of Brooklyn.
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Because at that moment you see a mass of
zombies walking towards a city that at
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that moment represented the maximum of
consumerism, of these things here, and
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therefore obviously reattaches itself to
the theme of Romero.
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George Romero's Dawn of the Dead was a
kind of an allegory about, you know,
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the shopping generation and I think the
Italians kind of dropped all those
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metaphors and went back to more like
classic ghost stories and it was all
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the mood and the atmosphere and the
pacing and the music and it was very
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more almost like a gothic horror, sort
of the classic horror with, you know,
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smoke and fog and much more stylized, I
suppose.
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What was lost in perhaps more
sophisticated narrative.
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It's found stylistically.
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He's very deliberate in where he places
the camera, very deliberate on what you
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see. The long lingering shots of
somebody getting their eye poked out.
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know, he loves watching the eyes getting
poked out. Those are very, you know, he
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really pays attention.
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It's very much about his style. I mean,
that lingering shot of the boat coming
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into New York Harbor is amazing. I mean,
in New York is often used in horror
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films. But actually people really forget
that New York is on the open ocean.
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The harbor is there, but this is the
first time that it took an Italian to
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in and say, no, New York, you are
connected to the ocean where some evil
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come up a long way. And he takes his
time with that thought.
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He understands the space that these
people are inhabiting much better than
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Romero does.
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But then Romero's got the advantage of a
really strong story.
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Stay where you are, mister.
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Put your hands on the deck there. I told
you not to move.
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Romero's is more of a solid story piece
with effects pieces, whereas Fulci's
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movie is, after you get to the island,
sort of halfway through, it's the
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abattoirness of the effects and it's...
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you know, the crunchiness of those
special effects.
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The look of the zombies is interesting
in the different types of films.
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I mean, the Romero ones, they have this
kind of just generic blue or green
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paint, and then the closer ones, they've
got the more elaborate stuff.
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And in Zombie Flash, they look like
they've been buried for a long time.
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look rotten and rotting.
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Their fingers are all sunken and bony,
and there's just bits missing off them.
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I think that's because in the first two
Romero, it's just kind of started.
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So they haven't had time to decompose as
much.
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They do a bit more of that in Day of the
Dead. They've kind of been rotting for
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a while. But in the Fulci ones, you get
the feeling they've been just hanging
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around for hundreds of years, most of
them. Even the recent ones, it's so hot
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and humid and disgusting.
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They're falling to bits already and
crusty and horrible.
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Even if they don't bite you, you don't
want them touching you. They're just
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horrible. They're really nasty.
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They do become much of a muchness in
terms of their presence.
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The zombies in Romero's films, you're
kind of warm to them. I mean, I really
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felt for the zombies. And whereas the
zombies in the Italian films, they were
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kind of just...
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They were more like monsters in a
classical way. I didn't really warm to
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couldn't really see the original person,
the original human being before the
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zombie. Zombie Flesh Eaters is, I
suppose, not without interest. I'll go
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far as to say that it's obviously a very
stylish film, and you can tell that
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from the opening scene, which has been
much commented on. I saw it when it was
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first released in the cinema.
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on a double bill with the toolbox
murders and both films were butchered by
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british board of film censors which
annoyed me intensely i remember that the
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audience loved zombie flesh eaters and
every time there was an attack by the
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zombies they screamed with delight but
of course every attack had been ripped
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shreds by the censors
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You know what? It was better in
widescreen, in the cut version, than it
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VHS, panned and scanned, and with all
the effects in it. Because it's a film
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that sort of depends on its look.
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I don't think those Italian zombie
movies, the horror boom
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pictures of the early 80s, were
particularly well served by video as a
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because they were widescreen.
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Oddly enough...
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George Romero wasn't shooting in
widescreen. So Dawn of the Dead really
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VHS. And you can see why that really
took off through the roof during the
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rental era.
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Because it had a smaller frame and the
look was slightly grottier. And
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so it didn't really matter that the
image was slightly degraded. But I think
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those Italian films lost out a lot.
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And it was only really when...
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They started coming out, actually
probably on Laserdisc first, that people
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realised how good they looked.
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We were in the midst of the so -called
video nasty scare, and the director of
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public prosecutions had decided that
Zombie Flesh Eaters, along with many
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films, was obscene, and what developed
was an underground movement of
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aficionados who would pass...
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illegal videotapes from one to the
other. It was a very exciting thing to
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course, because you could, in theory, be
prosecuted if you were found with these
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obscene materials on you.
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And that was when I first saw the uncut
zombie flesh eaters complete
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with the scene probably it's most famous
for, where...
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The woman has her eyeball skewered on a
wood splinter. That had been cut
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completely from the original British
release, so that was astonishing.
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We'd seen a lot of films around that
time where they do the build -up and
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they cut away and then they show the
aftermath.
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So we were kind of used to that
cinematic language where you cut away
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the after -effects.
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So we were not expecting them to show
the entire thing.
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So it kind of took us by surprise that
we weren't thinking, oh, my God,
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Rubberhead. So as soon as it appeared,
half the people in the audience looked
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away. The rest of us were watching,
going, wow, cool effect.
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I think there's a moment where it goes
from being one of the most upsetting
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things you're ever going to see in a
cinema to, oh, that's Rubber.
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the sensor cut actually snips out the
rubber effect so you get enough you get
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the idea you get the upsetting bit but
by removing the fakey punch line it's
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actually a much more yeah um seriously
disturbing moment for me i mean i
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prefer the uncut version to that over
the cut version purely because
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I must admit, I'm a bit of a sucker for
gore. For me, that was like, wow, how
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did they do that? And it's one of those
things that I've got to put my hand up
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and I think I must have watched it a
hundred times, frame by frame, just to
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how that special effect was done.
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Practical special effects, you cannot
beat it. And the Italians, hats off to
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them. They were the best at it.
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I remember the discussions between him
and the director of the autograph,
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because to be able to have a fire,
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to have the change of fire on the screen
that entered, they needed
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a particular lens, because they had to
pass, I don't remember now, maybe it's
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stupid, from a certain type to a 9, and
so we needed a transducer, I remember
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this thing, the user said, you have to
use a transducer because otherwise I
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don't have it on fire.
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So he was a great technician.
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I designed the scene,
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I described it in detail, but he did it
perfectly.
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I'm almost sure that I'm not sure that
any other director would have done it as
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well as him.
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I think only Lucio could have done it
that way.
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I think he made a film, among other
things, with one of his best, in my
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because it is distressing,
claustrophobic.
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all the part set on the island, where
the action really takes place.
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It's a kind of terrible western horror,
where the
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deaths come back live, there are some
beautiful special effects by Giannetto
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Rossi, there are some actors...
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Another standout piece in Zombie Fleshy
has got to be the scene where Aretha
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Gray is diving.
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Producers of Piranha 3D think they have
cornered the market in underwater
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topless ballet, but Zombie Fleshy just
got their way before this with a very
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long, slightly unnecessary, gratuitous,
nearly naked woman swimming around for
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no apparent reason. And then all of a
sudden a bull shark comes in as well.
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It's such a clever scene because...
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you think the shark is going to get her
and that's kind of presented as the
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threat and there's lots of ominous shots
of the shark and you think that's going
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to be the thing that gets her and then
it's a kind of a classic bait and switch
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the zombie appears and now there's a
zombie and a shark
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who is a Mexican specialized in shark
scenes.
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And I bought 30 minutes of sharks and I
don't know what to do.
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So see if you can invent something so
that I can use these
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20 minutes.
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The thing can only work if we turn it
around, that is, the white shark, the
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fearsome white shark, goes to bite and
instead it is bitten.
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It's a very clever writing trick where
you have two threats, but then one of
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threats is used to combat the other
threat. So it's a very nice kind of neat
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around it.
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That's got to be one of the best things
I've ever seen in a zombie film. A
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zombie is wrestling a shark, which is
amazing. It took Romero how many films
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get his zombies underwater?
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He didn't do it to Land of the Dead.
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And here, already, you've got a zombie
wrestling a shark. It's a brilliant
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device, just showing how outrageous it
can be. And this is not too far off the
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time of Jaws as well.
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are on people's minds so you know the
italians are really looking at
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that's happening an american film is
saying how can we pull out something for
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it's so crazy and so stupid it doesn't
really make much sense you know but i
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love the idea that there's millions of
zombies under the sea attacking sharks
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you know
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It's done very well and I think it's one
of the highlights of the film.
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Zombie 2 went very well, just like
Zombie 1,
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but the Italian production noticed that
a film with zombies was sold quite well
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abroad.
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It was easy to make money, and it was
also easy to make money, because you
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had to take ten pieces, cover them with
blood and go.
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So there were a series of productions,
but much smaller, that in Italy
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practically had no success, no follow
-up, because they were mainly aimed at
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sales abroad, films made with very
little money.
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because the zombie trick allows you to
shoot with little expense.
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After that, given the success of that
scene, then Lucio
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got involved, because it's a bit like
the zombie thing.
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It was like saying...
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Let's repeat the things that happened.
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Since the audience wants zombies, since
the audience wants the eye, let's give
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it to them.
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And so there was some repetitiveness,
which is what, in my opinion, destroyed
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our cinema.
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really the floodgates opened and as the
whole slew you know uh with fucci with
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the beyond and city live and dead at the
house by the cemetery
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You can see the progression between
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Zombie flesh eaters, then City of the
Living Dead, then The Beyond, then House
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by the Cemetery.
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You can see they become more abstract,
more peculiar, more pretentious and
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arty in a way that I sort of respond to.
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Maybe less coherent as narrative and
maybe less effective as exploitation.
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I actually believe Fulci had a bit of
fun with his zombie quartet because
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the pure zombie movie of zombie flesh
eaters, in City of the Living Dead you
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teleporting zombies blink and they're
not there, open your eyes and if you
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them, that's it, they'll bite your neck
off. There's a whole lot of stuff in
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City of the Living Dead that is sort of
random, isn't there?
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Even the way the characters are regarded
as utterly disposable.
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Then if you go to The Beyond, which is a
masterpiece in its own right, if
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you actually look at the history of that
movie, it was never going to be a
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zombie movie.
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It was because the German backers wanted
zombies, and zombies were so popular
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that Fulci was almost forced to write
the scenes at the end of the movie in
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hospital where you've got Warbeck and
Catriona running around to please the
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German audience.
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If that film wasn't actually co
-produced in Germany, what would that
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been? A haunted house picture, maybe?
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The UK marketing on House by the
Cemetery, can anyone escape the
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zombies? Well, we all know there's only
one zombie in House by the Cemetery.
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and he's kind of not your typical zombie
because why would he stay in the cellar
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because if it was me i'd be coming up
the stairs breaking into the house and
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eating the whole household not waiting
for them to come down the stairs and
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me
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key two important figures even if
different from each other like the
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frankenstein or the doctor frankenstein
and freud obviously joining them
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together because he hated us
psychoanalysis and therefore I had to do
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unnecessary slander, which he also did
other times in his thrillers in his
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precisely at the psychoanalysis however
freudstein is actually a living dead but
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at the same time it is a creature now
supernatural because who is
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He has a voice almost like a child, but
he has a repellent body composed
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of pieces, practically a kind of human
mosaic with pieces of corpses that he
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obviously rips off to his own victims.
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It's not a zombie movie, in the purest
sense of the word, because in that
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Fulci had already made
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Fear in the State of Wind Deaths and The
Beyond, which are, on the other hand,
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other zombie movies, more linear,
definitely more defined
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within their genre.
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Zombie II, on the other hand, is a film
that has remained, of all those, the
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first of its kind. And it's the best, in
my opinion. Some others are beautiful,
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very beautiful.
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But I think they're always incomplete.
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Maybe they lack a clear idea of what
they wanted to do, or they didn't let
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them do everything.
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The producers often intervene in these
productions and forced them to change
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things. The result isn't as perfect as
Zombie 2, which is a great film and
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beautiful to watch.
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Certainly, when I was honored for the
Cannibal
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Holocaust, I was invited to all the
festivals, I went to the conventions,
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entered a world that didn't belong to
me, a world that I didn't know, because
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I've never been a follower of zombie
movies or horror movies, absolutely not.
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But I began to see them, I was forced to
see them at the beginning and
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I understood the bravery of one and the
other director.
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For example, I found the films of Fulci
extraordinarily better than many
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zombie films made by...
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by other directors who are
unqualifiable.
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I like everything about Fulci, apart
from being a great friend, he was a
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director who, wherever he put his hands,
pulled something good out, even in the
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comic.
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He is someone who has written films that
are in the history of Italian cinema,
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so I can't say anything bad about Fulci.
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I love him.
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I also went to see his zombie movies,
because he has a different hand.
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It's an element of elegance, of turning
it into a real job.
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Elegance, that's the important thing.
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Never being lazy.
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Always following the path of...
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films, even with little budget, but to
do it well.
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Clearly after Zombie 2, which had a
notable success in Italy and abroad, as
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said before, distributors and Italian
producers continue on this false line,
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on this path, launched by Fulci.
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This is the same thing that happened to
me.
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Those who followed me in Cannibal
Holocaust, I saw someone who used
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the same kind of shooting as in Cannibal
Holocaust and I liked it, but then they
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used the means to make cannibal porn,
zombie cannibal
446
00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:11,720
and all the rest.
447
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,520
I never liked it.
448
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:21,380
And they made these films that then
became a cross between the zombie genre,
449
00:39:21,380 --> 00:39:26,420
cannibal genre. Even the cannibal genre
in Italy has never gone well, it has
450
00:39:26,420 --> 00:39:31,440
never achieved results at the box
office, but abroad it sold very well.
451
00:39:31,780 --> 00:39:35,580
There were many events and even that did
not cost much because you went to a
452
00:39:35,580 --> 00:39:42,300
wild place, you took some local digens,
local people and you made the
453
00:39:42,300 --> 00:39:46,660
film. and makes a series of horror
movies one after the other.
454
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:54,300
Zombie Holocaust, for example, directed
by Marino Girolami, is a
455
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:57,980
very atypical zombie, very anomalous,
very strange.
456
00:39:58,340 --> 00:40:02,300
I found it very funny because it
actually unites the theme of the Mad
457
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,880
that of the cannibals who at that time
were very...
458
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:12,540
very popular in Italy and in general in
international genre cinema, and the
459
00:40:12,540 --> 00:40:16,860
theme of zombies that had arrived
roughly in those same years.
460
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:23,600
So, combining three film situations,
three different narrative
461
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:29,880
plots, such as the Mad Doctor who
creates terrible monsters, creates the
462
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,960
cannibals himself and the zombies,
463
00:40:45,900 --> 00:40:51,500
just zombies wasn't enough so you have
things like zombie holocaust which is a
464
00:40:51,500 --> 00:40:58,140
zombie movie in a cannibal movie and a
mad science movie uh yeah it's bluntest
465
00:40:58,140 --> 00:41:01,640
as the erotic knights of the living dead
which is a zombie movie in a porno
466
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,640
movie
467
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:17,790
So, Joy D 'Amato, on the other hand,
combined in his own way
468
00:41:17,790 --> 00:41:24,610
two other film elements of that period,
two subgenres in some way,
469
00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:31,590
namely the exotic Eros and the zombies,
shooting the erotic nights,
470
00:41:31,610 --> 00:41:32,770
the death of the wind.
471
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:36,450
This is a film also very anchored there.
472
00:41:56,410 --> 00:41:58,530
It's basically a pornography film.
473
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,800
The zombies have very little to do with
it. But it's the strangest pornography
474
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,400
film you'd ever seen. Like, if a person
just wants to watch porn, they should
475
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,040
not watch this film, because it's
incredibly disturbing.
476
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,300
It starts off at a psychiatric hospital,
where you think two inmates have just,
477
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,760
you know, gotten together to go at it.
Then you go back into the past, and it's
478
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,500
all a porn film. This man wants to buy
this island to set up as some sort of
479
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:25,060
brothel, and you see him, you know, it's
got everything a porn film wants.
480
00:42:26,020 --> 00:42:27,480
Explicit shots of sex.
481
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,900
three ways girl on girl on this island
and then all of a sudden there's this
482
00:42:32,900 --> 00:42:36,820
other woman who turns out to be a ghost
and everybody but two of them get killed
483
00:42:36,820 --> 00:42:41,300
by the zombies the last 20 minutes it's
all the zombies the porn goes completely
484
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:46,460
out the window until the end and the two
people who survive go insane and start
485
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:49,620
fucking on the beach and then they do it
again later and they're the two people
486
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:53,840
we see in the psychiatric hospital it's
extremely bizarre like I don't know if
487
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,680
they were trying to market it to zombie
horror fans who might want to have a
488
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,700
little bit of porn in with their movie
as well.
489
00:43:00,140 --> 00:43:05,180
It's a very strange take on that. Let's
throw some zombies into a porn film and
490
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:06,640
try to get two markets at once.
491
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,660
But people who are into porn but not
into horror movies would not like this
492
00:43:10,660 --> 00:43:11,660
film.
493
00:43:15,460 --> 00:43:19,880
A Cannibal Apocalypse, that's an
infection movie and it works kind of
494
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,280
zombie picture and it has zombie
elements.
495
00:43:22,890 --> 00:43:29,250
in it but it's also a vietnam veteran
crazed psychopath movie put it down
496
00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:33,970
it's the only cannibal movie i've ever
seen where the virus of being a cannibal
497
00:43:33,970 --> 00:43:38,810
is transferred through the the action of
biting someone and i guess that you
498
00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:45,690
know antonio margariti really kind of
flipped the genre there sometimes
499
00:43:45,690 --> 00:43:48,350
by the time the movie comes out the
500
00:43:49,210 --> 00:43:54,290
the genre lineage becomes so scrambled
that interesting things can happen in
501
00:43:54,290 --> 00:43:55,490
interstices.
502
00:43:56,650 --> 00:44:02,310
And so that was why it was sort of fun
at the time to catch up on these movies.
503
00:44:08,070 --> 00:44:09,470
God help us all.
504
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:15,790
I'm a big fan of Nightmare City, and I
think that brought something sort of new
505
00:44:15,790 --> 00:44:16,790
to the genre.
506
00:44:19,950 --> 00:44:24,530
There you got zombies at the airport
running around with axes, machetes and
507
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:25,530
the rest of it.
508
00:44:28,030 --> 00:44:31,350
And the zombies run out and they have
guns and they begin attacking.
509
00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:33,770
They are a coordinated force.
510
00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:37,850
So it's not just that the zombies are
running, but they obviously have some
511
00:44:37,850 --> 00:44:39,350
level of intelligence.
512
00:44:40,050 --> 00:44:41,850
So again, it's like...
513
00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:43,620
Are they truly zombies?
514
00:44:43,860 --> 00:44:46,720
Well, it doesn't really matter because
all we know is that they're attacking
515
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,840
everyone and everybody's going to die.
And they go into a television studio
516
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,800
where this dance show or aerobics show
is going on and somehow they manage to
517
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,860
get all the way into this building and
attack.
518
00:44:58,220 --> 00:45:03,360
That, of course, is reminiscent of Dawn
of the Dead, the original film, which
519
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,900
starts off in a moody studio where a
scientist is trying to tell everybody we
520
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:08,640
have to prepare and everybody's
ignoring.
521
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:10,500
So, you know, it's sort of a...
522
00:45:11,100 --> 00:45:14,320
something to that. It's saying, yes,
it's invading our media.
523
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:21,820
If you look back at it after all these
years, it actually does, you know, it's
524
00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:25,580
one of the more sort of favourite and
fun zombie movies to watch.
525
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,080
Many have been seriously injured and
hundreds of lives have been lost.
526
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,820
Nightmare 50, I think, was the first
film with zombies that run.
527
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:37,340
And so, obviously, 28 days later, you
know, like 28 weeks later, they picked
528
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:38,340
on that. And now...
529
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,000
It's kind of like most zombies you see
now are running zombies, you know, so I
530
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,580
obviously just love the walking ones. In
a way, I find the walking ones more
531
00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:46,580
scary.
532
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,260
And I'm not quite sure why zombies do
run, you know, because most people in
533
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:55,080
world can't run that fast. So I don't
understand why you turn into a zombie
534
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:56,340
you can suddenly run really fast.
535
00:45:56,660 --> 00:45:59,080
I think maybe if you're a marathon
runner zombie, maybe.
536
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,880
What's interesting about the Romero
films is that Zombies are pretty much
537
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,560
the same, put in a different context as
Romero explores different social and
538
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,560
political situations.
539
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:19,920
What the Italian zombie films do is they
change the zombie.
540
00:46:20,140 --> 00:46:24,260
Like, first, you have just the regular
zombie that we all know, slow -moving,
541
00:46:24,260 --> 00:46:28,560
trying to eat your brains. But then with
each subsequent film, you know, there's
542
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,460
teleportation, then they have guns, they
learn how to use weapons. They change
543
00:46:32,460 --> 00:46:34,280
the zombie. They change the monster.
544
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:40,080
I think, obviously, once you get into
the 80s boom, when there were so many of
545
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:46,340
these things crowding together in such a
brief time, a certain numbing rote
546
00:46:46,340 --> 00:46:47,660
repetition sets in.
547
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,540
You need to hit their heads! I told you!
See? Like this!
548
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,340
Get away!
549
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,940
I'm not a big fan of zombie creeping
flesh, and to me that was kind of a
550
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:02,560
of all the other zombie films.
551
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,740
Perhaps it was getting a bit stale, a
bit bored, and maybe people realised
552
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,900
No! No!
553
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,500
Another one that jumps to the forefront
of my mind is Burial Ground,
554
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:25,160
with a rather weird Peter Bach playing a
young kid, but I think in real life he
555
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,160
was in his 30s.
556
00:47:30,350 --> 00:47:34,990
casting a man who I assume is just
extremely small in stature as a boy.
557
00:47:35,530 --> 00:47:40,130
But then I suppose that had to do with
the incestuous content of the film and
558
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:45,650
that sort of misogyny, the child
returning to the mother's breast and
559
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:49,770
devouring the mother. It was mainly shot
around one location.
560
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:55,150
Let's get a few people off the street in
to be the main actors and actresses.
561
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:59,320
And it had some, but you know, it's only
saving grace really was it had some,
562
00:47:59,380 --> 00:48:02,780
you know, it had some half decent
effects by Gino De Rossi.
563
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:10,620
And of course, going forward, Romero did
Day of the Dead, which for me is, I
564
00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:14,380
personally feel it's the best zombie
movie of all time.
565
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:20,760
Savini's work basically on the special
effects, I don't think it has ever been
566
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,020
beaten. It's just grimy and nihilistic.
567
00:48:27,690 --> 00:48:29,010
Apparently he was in the military.
568
00:48:29,930 --> 00:48:31,690
Return a salute and see what he does.
569
00:48:32,610 --> 00:48:36,250
You want me to salute that pile of
walking pot?
570
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:39,190
Salute my ass.
571
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:46,170
And then really the whole boom really
fizzled out and unfortunately Fulci and
572
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:50,870
Bruno Mattai cobbled together, zombie
free.
573
00:48:58,540 --> 00:49:05,260
Zumbi 3 is a film certainly a bit
different from the filmography of Fulci
574
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:11,020
because in reality he did not finish it,
that is, it is a film by Fulci for
575
00:49:11,020 --> 00:49:16,500
sure, because most of the shots were
made by him in the Philippines.
576
00:49:17,310 --> 00:49:19,390
a horror set in the Philippines.
577
00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:23,550
At that time many films were made in the
Philippines, especially Vietnam movies
578
00:49:23,550 --> 00:49:28,250
inspired by American success, such as
Rambo, Platoon, Apocalypse Now, etc.
579
00:49:28,530 --> 00:49:33,890
So many Italian directors went there,
such as Antonio Margheriti and Bruno
580
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:34,890
Mattei, for example.
581
00:49:36,310 --> 00:49:43,050
The producer of the film then decides to
entrust
582
00:49:43,050 --> 00:49:44,310
additional sequences
583
00:49:45,260 --> 00:49:52,080
because, in his opinion, the film did
not reach a full minute, to
584
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:57,840
Bruno Mattei and Claudio Fragasso, who
return to the Philippines to play
585
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:04,440
They are the scenes of the laboratory,
with the men in white shirts, many
586
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:09,020
shooting scenes, there are also parts of
the final scenes.
587
00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:17,160
There are certainly more things, so it
is not easy to write completely Zombie 3
588
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:22,720
in Fulci, but undoubtedly there are very
strong, very violent elements, very
589
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:29,160
recognizable, the head that comes out of
the fridge and slashes the throat of a
590
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,200
victim. There is the imprint of the
master, you can feel it anyway.
591
00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:44,350
Return of the Living Dead, which was 85,
and Zombie 3 in 88, they both show the
592
00:50:44,350 --> 00:50:49,110
cause of, you know, the world being
overrun by zombies caused by a chemical
593
00:50:49,110 --> 00:50:53,950
spillage. Return of the Living Dead was
a big box office hit, so the Italians on
594
00:50:53,950 --> 00:50:57,670
their sort of tired and sort of almost
waning sort of zombie movies obviously
595
00:50:57,670 --> 00:51:03,230
picked up on this and thought, OK, let's
chuck the chemical radioactive ash
596
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:05,350
spillage into our own sort of...
597
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,780
pot of madness and they came out with
you know with zombie free which has got
598
00:51:09,780 --> 00:51:16,660
dive bombing seagulls flying heads um
it's just it's quite a bizarre movie
599
00:51:16,660 --> 00:51:21,540
in the whole sort of canon of zombie
movies then followed Zombie 4 and Zombie
600
00:51:21,900 --> 00:51:25,760
But the weird thing is I've never really
got my head around it. Zombie 5 was
601
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,620
actually made before Zombie 4.
602
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,320
So go figure.
603
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:35,620
It's all to do with the titles and
cashing in still on Zombie Due from
604
00:51:39,820 --> 00:51:44,740
I think at that point it just had run
its course. But then most...
605
00:51:44,990 --> 00:51:49,170
Films do, even though zombie films are
being made today, it's only maybe every
606
00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:51,230
10 years you get one that's actually any
good.
607
00:51:51,870 --> 00:51:52,870
Look, Sarah, look.
608
00:51:56,250 --> 00:52:02,050
It wants me. I think today especially,
you know, we've invested so much of the
609
00:52:02,050 --> 00:52:05,830
earlier America, not as more recent
ones, which unfortunately they've really
610
00:52:05,830 --> 00:52:09,570
gone down in quality, but as early ones
we've invested them with so much.
611
00:52:10,220 --> 00:52:14,180
political and social undertone, where
the Italian ones, they're just fun.
612
00:52:14,260 --> 00:52:16,920
They're just fun B -movies, but they're
really well shot.
613
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:22,000
They're really cleverly staged. And
because they are much more grotesque,
614
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,220
more violent, a lot more blood, and in
cases of some of them, a lot more sex,
615
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:32,060
which is sex not a factor in the Romero,
any of the, you know, North American
616
00:52:32,060 --> 00:52:35,000
zombie films, whereas they are in the
Italian films.
617
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:40,100
We don't take them any sort of serious
political or social way that we do with
618
00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:43,480
Romero films. To us, they're just fun,
fun horror movies.
619
00:52:49,260 --> 00:52:55,420
There are a little clump of movies that
exist on their own, but that's how
620
00:52:55,420 --> 00:53:01,100
Italian exploitation cinema seemed to
work. One year, everybody would make
621
00:53:01,100 --> 00:53:02,100
crime films.
622
00:53:02,260 --> 00:53:04,700
The next year, everybody would make
cannibal films.
623
00:53:05,290 --> 00:53:08,170
Then they'd make, you know, Nazi
exploitation films.
624
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:11,590
Then there'd be zombie films. Then they
went on to something else. I think it
625
00:53:11,590 --> 00:53:16,690
was Mad Max movies came after. Or was it
Conan imitations? But anyway, there's
626
00:53:16,690 --> 00:53:21,750
these sort of tent poles and everybody,
yeah, all the people we now think of as
627
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:26,930
Italian exploitation auteurs would go
and make one of these pictures or one or
628
00:53:26,930 --> 00:53:27,930
two.
629
00:53:30,910 --> 00:53:34,550
There wasn't...
630
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,860
that much attention being paid to them
when they came out.
631
00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:44,840
I mean, in a way, one of the sad things
that happened was by the time there was
632
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:50,840
an organised fandom, by the time people
were writing about these films, the boom
633
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:51,718
had died.
634
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:55,080
There had been a whole bunch of zombie
booms. You know, we've had Shaun of the
635
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,320
Dead, we've had The Walking Dead, we've
had...
636
00:53:58,650 --> 00:54:03,330
28 Days Later and The Door of the Dead
remake, Zombieland, and yet there are no
637
00:54:03,330 --> 00:54:08,050
Italian filmmakers out there able to
revive the Italian boom.
638
00:54:08,370 --> 00:54:12,370
I mean, all subsequent zombie movies, I
think they look back to these films
639
00:54:12,370 --> 00:54:13,710
sometimes. You can see...
640
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,780
I mean, one of the things I find strange
is that Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead
641
00:54:18,780 --> 00:54:25,620
is as influenced by Italian zombie
movies as by Romero's films, partly
642
00:54:25,620 --> 00:54:28,600
because one of the things he does is
completely strip out any notion of
643
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:34,220
political or social context and just
kind of gets gruesome and miserable. And
644
00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:35,220
think that...
645
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:40,800
Yeah, he relates maybe to demons is the
urtext of that.
646
00:54:41,460 --> 00:54:45,440
Yeah, a bunch of awful people get mashed
on by monsters.
647
00:54:46,180 --> 00:54:52,060
But yeah, I don't think that it was ever
going to be something that would last.
648
00:54:56,340 --> 00:54:57,980
There's just something about zombies.
649
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,820
There's just something wrong and weird
about them.
650
00:55:01,060 --> 00:55:02,720
And also like vampires.
651
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,680
The biggest threat from a zombie, the
thing that you don't want to happen, is
652
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,140
become one of them. And that's the worst
thing. It's not that they'll kill you.
653
00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:14,420
They will turn you into one of them.
654
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,700
And that's more frightening. If you're
trapped in a building and there's 100
655
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:22,940
tigers outside, the worst that can
happen is they kill you. With the
656
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:26,800
outside, even one of them, a tiny bite
or a scratch...
657
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,040
and you're going to become one of them,
and you'll either become one of them
658
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:34,440
straight away, or you'll have this kind
of long, lingering, living death, where
659
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,040
you know you're going to turn at some
point, and everyone's kind of watching
660
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:41,280
with their fingers on their guns, ready,
and you know that they're going to have
661
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:41,959
to kill you.
662
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,780
Or you're going to have to kill your
best friend, or your wife, or your dad.
663
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:51,580
And I think that's the thing that keeps
them exciting and scary and interesting.
664
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:01,940
One of the things that happens in the
Italian zombie pictures that was later
665
00:56:01,940 --> 00:56:08,800
taken up by the rise of zombie video
games
666
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,560
and then the films based on Resident
Evil, House of the Dead, that kind of
667
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:18,260
thing, is the idea that zombies become
cannon fodder. They become the
668
00:56:18,260 --> 00:56:21,420
perfect modern version of what...
669
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:26,850
a certain type of matinee western used
to use apaches for and what world war ii
670
00:56:26,850 --> 00:56:31,050
films use nazis for they look like
people but you're allowed to kill them
671
00:56:31,050 --> 00:56:34,330
you don't have to feel bad about it i
672
00:56:34,330 --> 00:56:39,910
kind of uh
673
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:46,860
got tired of zombies i have to say uh
zombies have been um in my view
674
00:56:46,860 --> 00:56:53,760
overexposed since romero changed the
rules of the game and although i've
675
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:59,660
to keep up with them um and i have seen
the rest of the romero films i have to
676
00:56:59,660 --> 00:57:06,360
say um They've never had the same impact
as that first film, and I suppose it's
677
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:12,740
inevitable. To me, especially now, it
seems as though people are just
678
00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:19,000
desperate to try and alter the formula,
but without
679
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:25,180
much success, without that huge impact
that Night of the Living Dead had.
680
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,460
Forty -some years later, people are
still...
681
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:36,440
making movies about it, about zombies,
doing interviews about it, and doing
682
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,180
scholarly critiques of zombies.
683
00:57:42,570 --> 00:57:47,310
I've kept in touch with the zombie genre
and I have to say I'm not really very
684
00:57:47,310 --> 00:57:49,650
impressed with what people have been
doing.
685
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:55,350
They've been trying to introduce zombies
into other environments and it hasn't
686
00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:59,710
been entirely successful. I'm talking
about films like Zombie Strippers and
687
00:57:59,710 --> 00:58:02,090
Zombies of Mass Destruction.
688
00:58:02,590 --> 00:58:07,030
I don't think it's just me. I think
these are films that are very unpopular
689
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:07,769
the fans.
690
00:58:07,770 --> 00:58:11,310
They like the idea of the films but when
they go and see them...
691
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,718
They're disappointed.
692
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,900
And I have to say that anyone coming to
zombie flesh eaters for the first time
693
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:25,500
is probably not going to be
disappointed. I think it's a film that
694
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:29,660
goods. I think it's got its problems. I
think it's got some pretty ridiculous
695
00:58:29,660 --> 00:58:32,700
dialogue and some ludicrous scenes.
696
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:39,060
But ultimately, I think it's a
satisfying zombie film. It's a stylish
697
00:58:39,540 --> 00:58:45,200
Lucio Fulci. He isn't the greatest
horror director in the history of
698
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:51,120
he's one of the greats. And I think it's
very important to see one of his best
699
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:57,180
films as it was meant to be seen, a
pristine print, uncut.
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