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We heard through the grapevine
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that Larry and Lori moved in together
in Arizona.
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Small town, a lot of talk.
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He had a nice big house that they built.
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He had the fancy cars.
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He went on vacations to nice places.
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You want me to take your glasses?
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Yeah.
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Lori got cash and she got trips.
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Tell me that she wasn't in it
for the money.
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- Hey, babe.
- Hey, hi.
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Check out the frequent fliers
and we're gonna take little trips.
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Sounds good to me.
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- Missed you before.
- I don't know what happened.
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I was over at Mastro's.
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How was Mastro's?
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It was good.
I just had a Bloody Mary.
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Attagirl. Good.
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He cashed in his life insurance policy.
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He was living high on the hog.
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I knew he had a lot of money,
but I didn't realize the extent of it.
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I understand he had to have
a two-floor trophy room.
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What do you do for fun besides
hunt and philander?
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Larry seemed very relaxed.
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We're gonna get a dog.
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A little dog.
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Not a care in the world.
"I do what I want and no one can stop me."
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I am told that Larry said he's running
for the House of Representatives
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of the United States,
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which just demonstrates
how delusional he was.
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I think he thought he was untouchable.
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I think you develop a level
of unrealistic confidence.
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The longer you get away with something,
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the longer you think
you've gotten away with it.
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We were having fun.
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I always loved the traveling.
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We're going to Cabo.
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We had been there before.
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And we said, "This is so great. Why don't
we come back and stay the holidays here?"
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So, we go to the airport, we check in.
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And then at the last minute,
three people got on the plane.
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And I said to Larry,
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"I think that's FBI."
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And, like, you could just feel
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something bad was gonna happen.
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He never dreamed that this would happen.
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Never dreamed, not in a million years.
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What do you want people to know about her?
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Oh, God.
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Um...
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I'll never forget meeting her
and seeing those green eyes,
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that flaming red hair
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and the smile on her face.
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And just all the fun we had.
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She was a... a wonderful woman.
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She was deeply religious.
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She loved her kids.
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And, unfortunately, she loved her husband.
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He's just evil right down to his toenails.
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Yeah, I... I wouldn't put anything
past him, anything.
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Some of the people in Safari Club
would call around
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and try to figure out exactly
what happened.
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I mean, none of it makes sense.
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We needed the FBI to get involved.
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We received telephone calls
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from multiple friends of Bianca Rudolph
after her death.
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There was some kind
of rumor floating around
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that she did commit suicide.
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I don't think it was suicide.
I would never believe that.
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I've never had that feeling.
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It's anticipated when someone dies
under these circumstances
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that you'll get phone calls, but
often they lack a level of specificity.
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I said,
"You cannot possibly tell me
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that you're going to Africa
with this man."
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She just said, "I have to."
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Larry said she's old and used up.
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He's been having an affair for 15 years.
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In this case, we were hearing
specific information
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that they thought showed that there
was something suspicious about this death.
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Do you think Larry had
anything to do with this?
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You can get away with anything in Africa.
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But four murder investigations conducted
by FBI agents are extremely rare.
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I got into the FBI to catch bad guys.
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For three years,
the case had got lost in the shuffle.
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In 2019, I read what happened to Bianca.
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And this was one of those cases where,
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like, I felt inside that, like,
this is what my job is for.
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This is what I'm supposed to do.
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What motivates me is the victims.
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All of those victims have families
that deserve answers.
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I felt so bad for Bianca.
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And I always, on a personal level, thought
of her as... Like, this could be my mom.
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And I just felt that, like, this needs to
be addressed for her, to give her a voice.
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Federal prosecutors
don't prosecute murders very often.
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That's because most murders
are prosecuted by the state.
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When I presented this case
to the supervisor in Denver,
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the expectations were low on it
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because of the distance in time
between 2016, 2019.
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The fact that we didn't have a body
because she was cremated in Zambia.
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And we didn't have the murder weapon
because he had broken it in pieces,
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put it into a couple of different boxes,
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and then gave it to somebody
to dispose of.
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The case gets to our desk,
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and what we have is the case file
from the Zambian police.
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There were a number of factors
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that indicated that
this was not an accident,
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and the weapon being unloaded
the night before is just one of those.
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There were reports that were issued
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within the first three days
following her death
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that listed suicide
as the manner of death.
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But the acrobatics that she would have to
put herself in to shoot herself that way
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just didn't make sense to us.
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So, we designed what we called a reach
study, and we recruited female volunteers
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who were approximately the same size
and dimensions as Bianca Rudolph.
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Out of the 50 different tests,
one person was able to reach the trigger
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because they have flexible shoulders
from their time in gymnastics.
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Bianca, I don't think was a gymnast.
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Now we were talking about a question
of was it directly on her chest
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or was there a distance.
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And the autopsy report said that
Bianca Rudolph had a six-centimeter defect
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directly to her heart.
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So for that, we conducted
what's called a pattern test.
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We didn't have the original murder weapon,
so we had to get the next best thing.
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The same ammunition,
the same gun case, and the same weapon.
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And it wasn't until we moved
back that we started seeing a defect
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that was approximately six centimeters
in diameter,
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and based on those studies,
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we determined that someone
had fired the shotgun
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at a distance of one, two,
maybe three feet.
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There was no way this was an accident.
It was a homicide,
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and the only person with a motive to
commit homicide against Bianca Rudolph
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was Lawrence Rudolph.
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Early in the investigation,
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we started looking
at Larry Rudolph's financial activity.
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We were subpoenaing
bank accounts, the insurance companies,
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telephone, emails.
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We saw all the proceeds from
all the life insurance policies,
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and so we needed to talk to
his life insurance guy.
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He even tried to sell me life insurance
when I interviewed him.
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You know, I'm always trying
to help people. I told you that.
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We learned that Bianca Rudolph
was apparently overinsured.
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Nine different life insurance policies
from seven different insurance companies.
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For a total of $4.8 million.
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Obviously that's gonna raise red flags.
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I only knew about three policies,
but he had found other agents
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to write insurance on her
unbeknownst to me.
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It just blew my mind.
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The FBI arranged a trip
to come up to Zambia,
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and my regional security officer sets up
meetings with the police,
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with all the actors.
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They naturally ask why
we want to investigate it.
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When we came to hear the story,
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that's how we started believing
that he is a murderer.
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He did it.
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It was intentional
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for him to come and kill the wife here
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because, you know, it was in bush.
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No one could be able
to tell what had transpired.
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And so as we talk to everybody,
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everybody has
one little piece of the puzzle.
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There's numerous inconsistencies.
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"I was in the bathroom showering.
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I was in the bathroom on the toilet.
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I was outside drinking coffee
on the deck."
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It tells me that Larry Rudolph was lying.
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If I'm in the shower and I run out,
I'm not gonna have any clothes on,
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I'm gonna be dripping all over the place,
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and I didn't see any mention
of that whatsoever.
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Talk to me about how
and when you figured out
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what had happened with the crocodile.
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We think that Lawrence took the gun,
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shot his own thumb in order to
collect disability insurance.
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When you look at that image,
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you can see something that resembles
gunpowder residue, or stippling.
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That's where he learned that he could get
away with something significant
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and not get caught.
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We felt like we knew
how the murder happened,
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but we needed to know why it happened.
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And then, out of nowhere,
we got a tip from someone.
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In his statements,
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he was saying that
he overheard Lawrence tell Lori...
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"I killed my fucking wife for you."
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This is too good to be true
to get this type of tip from someone.
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Lori Milliron gives us another motive that
he may have in killing Bianca Rudolph.
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The FBI agent said, "You will be down here
tomorrow to talk to us about this,"
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and I was, like... ..."Crap."
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I called the FBI thinking
it was an anonymous phone call,
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but we all know it's not.
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Yeah, yeah, when you call the FBI
with your phone number,
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normally we can find out where you are.
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Once I talked to the FBI,
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everything started to be put in place
about this person.
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Lori gave him an ultimatum, and
that ultimatum was to get rid of Bianca.
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And looking back, it wasn't the divorce.
It was an ultimatum to get rid of her,
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of saying get rid of her,
meaning killing her.
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Lori Milliron was tired
of being the other woman.
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She was tired of being second fiddle.
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She wanted to be the one
doing all these adventures.
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She wanted to be living in the big house.
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This wasn't just any affair
but a long-running affair.
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We learned through the investigation
that for many years of the affair,
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Bianca Rudolph thought of Lori Milliron
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as Lawrence Rudolph's
very close business confidante.
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But in the months and years
leading up to the murder,
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Bianca had discovered this affair
with Lori Milliron.
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When she discovered a hair clip
in her bed that was not her hair clip,
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she had confirmation
of the nature of the relationship.
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And according to this witness,
it was devastating to Bianca.
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We learned that Bianca had also
given Lawrence Rudolph an ultimatum,
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the opposite one.
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She had given him an ultimatum
that he had to fire Lori
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or she was leaving.
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He agreed that he would let Lori go.
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She goes, you know,
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"Everything's gonna be okay.
He fired Lori."
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And I'm, like, "Yeah, just so you know,
he didn't fire Lori.
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She's working from home."
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He's not gonna be able to keep
Lori Milliron as a mistress.
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She wants more.
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He's maybe not gonna be able to keep
Bianca Rudolph as his wife,
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because she wants him to stop.
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And he's maybe going to have to go
through a painful divorce
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where he's gonna lose half of his money.
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Larry Rudolph
wouldn't divorce Bianca Rudolph
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because he didn't want to risk losing
a significant amount of money.
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This sort of conflict comes to a head
just before the murder,
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and if Lawrence Rudolph
wants to maintain his life,
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he's going to need to take drastic action
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to keep things the way
he wants them to be.
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We felt we could prove
beyond a reasonable doubt
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that Lawrence Rudolph murdered Bianca.
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We're going to Cabo.
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We decided
we're gonna go there for the holidays.
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And, uh, we were really
looking forward to that.
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We get to Cabo
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and they announced
that they're gonna check passports
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as we exit the plane,
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and I'm thinking, "They never do that.
We've already given them our passports."
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I got off first
and I just kinda stood there
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waiting for him to get off.
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And there's five or six brown-shirted
Mexican police standing there waiting,
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and I'm like, "Oh, my God,
what is going on?"
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Larry showed them their passport.
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And they said, "We got him."
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And they... they just took him.
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Deported him to Denver
where, when he landed,
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Donnie and I were there
to make the arrest.
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And seeing him in handcuffs is,
you know, it's always, you know,
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rewarding for us to see that.
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Doctor Lawrence Rudolph
is accused of murdering his wife in...
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It's a case involving
money, murder, and sexual affairs.
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A former Pittsburgh...
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Everybody called everybody else,
and it's like, "He's been arrested."
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We had a party.
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Well, now he's being accused of murder.
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How did I react?
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I was happy.
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I thought justice was being served.
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A lot of people are just like,
"Well, it's been a long time coming."
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For a man that thought
he was above the law and above anything,
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now he's in cuffs.
Blew me away. I felt safe.
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Hello.
This is a prepaid collect call from...
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Larry.
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Hello?
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Hey, babe.
Oh, my God. Where are you?
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It's been difficult.
To have it taken away like this.
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It's freaking me out.
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And I'm in with the Bloods
and the Crips and--
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Are you serious?
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Fuck yeah, man. It's bad.
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Oh. Sounds scary as hell.
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I know. I miss our life.
I miss everything we used to do.
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Yeah, me too.
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I miss you.
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I miss you too.
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Once we find out about Lori
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and that she had given Lawrence
an ultimatum,
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of course that's gonna lead us down
the route of... what is her involvement?
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Does she know about the murder?
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And what else has she
helped him with, possibly?
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Investigators determined that one
of the first people Lawrence notifies
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about Bianca's death in the United States
is Lori Milliron.
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Lori's seen driving
Bianca's vehicle shortly thereafter.
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She's living in Bianca's home.
She's building a new house.
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She gets all this access to everything
that she wanted,
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and she doesn't have to put up
with Bianca anymore.
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Larry and Lori
could live publicly,
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but they were living a lie.
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They told people that
they had recently met
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and that this was a new relationship.
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There was no evidence
at that point in time
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that she had actually helped
to plan the murder.
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But we knew that she knew
Lawrence Rudolph had committed the crime
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because Lawrence Rudolph
yelled at her in a bar...
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"I killed my fucking wife for you."
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We wanted to talk to Lori Milliron,
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and we went to Pittsburgh,
knocked on the door.
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We saw a car service pull up.
The garage opened and Lori walked out,
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and we found out
that she had booked a ticket,
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while we were outside, to go to Phoenix.
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One of the other methods we have
is that we can give her a subpoena
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and compel her to testify
in front of a grand jury.
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They served me with a subpoena
for that, uh, grand jury thing.
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Okay, now remember,
this is an open line.
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Yeah, I know.
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It says, "The grand jury is
conducting an investigation
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of possible violations
of federal criminal law,
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including mail, and"--
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Yeah, don't--
Don't talk about it, honey.
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They just started asking me questions.
It was really frightening.
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He had a graph showing the amount
of deposits I made,
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asking me why there was
so much more money there.
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Was that hush money?
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She says she's getting this money
because he's very generous.
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That they don't show up to work
together every morning.
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That they're not having this sort
of relationship.
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They were really wanting me
to portray him as a horrible person.
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And I think it really made them
angry that I didn't.
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She lied in front of the grand jury
and she was presented with the idea
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that we were confident
that she would be convicted
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if she did not choose to cooperate.
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And she chose not to cooperate.
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The girlfriend of a former local dentist...
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Larry's alleged mistress...
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- His alleged mistress...
- His mistress is facing charges too.
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I just... I couldn't believe, like...
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How is this happening to somebody
that is such a good person?
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Somebody that is innocent.
329
00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,000
Um...
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I'm still wrapping my head around that.
331
00:21:07,470 --> 00:21:09,140
My mom was telling the truth.
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She's 65 years old.
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00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:19,150
She's never had a prior arrest.
She has no criminal history.
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00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:26,320
When I was laying in bed going to sleep,
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just closing my eyes and trying to imagine
the environment that she was in,
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in that exact moment,
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00:21:34,290 --> 00:21:37,250
my heart broke, and I was terrified.
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00:21:38,290 --> 00:21:41,920
And all I could just think was,
"Don't cry, be strong."
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00:21:58,940 --> 00:22:01,270
This call is from a federal prison.
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00:22:01,270 --> 00:22:02,940
This call is from...
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Lawrence Rudolph.
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00:22:05,860 --> 00:22:08,740
I was a person
that was completely law-abiding,
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never had a traffic ticket.
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Let alone having
been involved in something
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as heinous as what they accused me of.
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00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:18,750
In the federal system,
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00:22:19,500 --> 00:22:21,500
the odds are stacked against you.
348
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,710
I had to get the best attorneys.
349
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,550
We didn't wanna take any chances.
350
00:22:29,550 --> 00:22:32,720
The government has
every advantage in a criminal case.
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It's like David versus Goliath.
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00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,690
David O. Marcus
is one of South Florida's
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big-time veteran
criminal defense attorneys.
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00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:45,610
David Oscar Marcus.
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00:22:45,610 --> 00:22:48,650
A super high-profile
criminal defense attorney.
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00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,580
I have to be honest,
I-I thought the case was ridiculous.
357
00:22:53,490 --> 00:22:57,580
I have no understanding of why
these two agents picked up this file
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which had dust on it.
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00:22:59,420 --> 00:23:03,540
Not only did the Zambians clear Larry
and say it was an accident,
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00:23:03,540 --> 00:23:07,550
the life insurance companies cleared
Larry and said it was an accident.
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00:23:08,420 --> 00:23:11,550
I thought this was a total bullshit case.
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00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:15,010
They don't have enough evidence,
and I thought we were gonna win.
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00:23:19,980 --> 00:23:22,230
The trial
for a Paradise Valley man
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accused of killing his wife on safari
is officially underway.
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00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,070
Federal prosecutors
do not charge a case
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unless they believe that they are going to
be able to convince 12 people unanimously,
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beyond a reasonable doubt,
that the crime has been committed.
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00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,790
The judge said, "Larry's innocent
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00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,510
till you see the evidence
that indicates he's not innocent."
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00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,800
I was thinking, we've got to have
some solid evidence,
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00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,640
some solid proof
that he truly did do this crime.
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00:24:01,350 --> 00:24:05,650
We told the jury, "You're gonna
be faced with this incredible task
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of ignoring stuff that does not matter."
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00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:14,610
I told the jury,
"Don't make up your mind early
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00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:17,450
because, big reveal,
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00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:19,700
Larry Rudolph is gonna get on the stand."
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00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,880
The defense theory here
was for every fact that we came up with
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to come up with some
equally plausible alternative.
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00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,010
First of all, the crime scene,
if you can call it that,
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was a total fucking mess.
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00:24:40,810 --> 00:24:43,850
Everything was moved.
Nothing was kept proper.
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00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,060
They asked me,
"Did you touch the gun?"
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00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:48,560
I said, "Yes."
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00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:49,820
Larry Rudolph,
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00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:54,400
he was looking
like he was going to kill himself.
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00:24:54,410 --> 00:24:56,740
That's how I moved the gun.
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00:24:56,740 --> 00:25:00,030
There's reports that the body was taken
outside immediately and covered up,
388
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,290
but then it was back inside.
389
00:25:01,290 --> 00:25:03,120
So it's just a mess.
390
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:09,500
The guy who did the autopsy stuck a ruler
in the wound and moved it around.
391
00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:11,880
I mean, it was a joke.
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00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,880
Another aspect of this case is
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00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,390
Lawrence Rudolph moved very quickly
to cremate the body
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00:25:19,390 --> 00:25:21,560
in a way that everyone found
to be suspicious.
395
00:25:22,350 --> 00:25:23,470
They made a big deal about this.
396
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,900
This was in their initial criminal
complaint, which the media picks up on.
397
00:25:27,900 --> 00:25:33,110
"Larry Rudolph cremates his wife before
she comes back to the United States."
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00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:36,860
We know from speaking to Larry
that Bianca had a will
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00:25:36,860 --> 00:25:38,240
where she wanted to be cremated.
400
00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:44,080
The government's main pillar
of evidence was all wrong.
401
00:25:44,580 --> 00:25:45,710
They're shocked.
402
00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:49,670
That did change that aspect of the case
a little bit in that
403
00:25:49,670 --> 00:25:52,090
that's a fact that we're not gonna focus
on as much,
404
00:25:52,090 --> 00:25:53,960
but there's so much other evidence.
405
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,260
The insurance thing,
again, was a lot of noise.
406
00:25:58,260 --> 00:26:00,930
They wanted a headline:
"Five million of insurance.
407
00:26:00,930 --> 00:26:03,770
Five million of insurance."
They pounded it over and over again,
408
00:26:03,770 --> 00:26:07,350
but when you actually dug
into the numbers...
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00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:09,650
So what?
410
00:26:10,690 --> 00:26:13,440
This was insurance that was accumulated
over many years.
411
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,320
It's not like they did it a month
before, uh, the trip to Zambia.
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00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:23,030
She went and got the medical exams
that you need for life insurance.
413
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,750
She signed all the forms.
She wanted this for her kids.
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00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:31,380
And this idea that he spent it
on fancy things?
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00:26:31,380 --> 00:26:34,460
False. He didn't touch
the life insurance money.
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00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:37,220
He put it in a trust. It just sat there.
417
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,510
Another headline-grabbing distraction,
418
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:47,350
but that's what's gonna sell to the jury,
right? Affairs, greed, money.
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00:26:48,060 --> 00:26:49,980
That's not evidence of murder.
420
00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:57,150
I thought, "This is some of the best
lawyering I will ever see in my life."
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00:26:57,150 --> 00:27:00,780
Why is it relevant that
he was in a fight with the Safari Club?
422
00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:03,830
Why is it relevant that he was in a fight
with employees at his business?
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00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:05,950
To a murder charge, it's not.
424
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:13,920
Larry's defense attorneys
were extraordinarily polished.
425
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:15,550
He would raise his eyebrows
426
00:27:15,550 --> 00:27:18,170
and would, you know,
make eye contact with you.
427
00:27:18,170 --> 00:27:22,720
We have the evidence, they wanted
to focus on, "This doesn't look good."
428
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:31,230
This is a wild case.
429
00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:34,690
We learned a whole lot more,
including an alleged murder confession
430
00:27:34,690 --> 00:27:36,480
at Steak 44 in Phoenix,
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00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,700
where Larry allegedly confessed
that he killed his wife Bianca for Lori.
432
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:46,660
Brian Lovelace taking the stand
433
00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:48,490
was one of the most dramatic moments
of the trial.
434
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:50,250
We had talked about it
in the opening statements
435
00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:53,960
how the jury was going to hear
about this confession.
436
00:27:55,290 --> 00:27:58,670
It was the focus of the opening,
it was the focus of the trial.
437
00:27:59,970 --> 00:28:05,600
I walk into the courtroom,
and the tension was just incredible.
438
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:10,100
He tells the jury
he heard Lawrence Rudolph,
439
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,180
during a break in the music, say...
440
00:28:12,190 --> 00:28:14,270
"I killed my fucking wife for you."
441
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,440
We found out about this,
we were like, "Oh, my God."
442
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,700
Now it's true that he heard that.
We didn't contest that.
443
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,990
But did he hear what
was said right beforehand?
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00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,960
Um, well, he could have
said anything before,
445
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,590
but I... I didn't hear the conversation.
446
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,970
This is what we were told
by both Lori and Larry:
447
00:28:42,510 --> 00:28:43,760
They were having a conversation
448
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,390
'cause they've just learned
that the FBI was investigating,
449
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:50,180
and Larry said, "The FBI says
I killed my effing wife for you."
450
00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:52,390
What is the jury going to think
about this?
451
00:28:54,190 --> 00:28:57,310
Yeah, Steak 44 was a little mind-blowing.
452
00:28:57,310 --> 00:29:00,480
I thought, "Okay, that's possible."
453
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,320
I wrote it down
and I underlined it and I circled it.
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00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:05,740
After she took the stand,
455
00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:09,080
there is potentially room
for reasonable doubt
456
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,330
in the minds of the jury.
457
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,450
That wasn't part of the plan.
458
00:29:16,170 --> 00:29:17,880
In an unexpected twist,
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00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,340
the judge says Dr. Larry Rudolph
will not stand trial alone.
460
00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:24,220
Rudolph's mistress,
Lori Milliron, is also on trial.
461
00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:27,840
She's accused of lying to
a federal grand jury about this case
462
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,720
and her relationship with Rudolph.
463
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:34,060
We did not like the fact that
she was in his indictment at all.
464
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:36,810
The optics of it were really bad.
465
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:40,110
What I care about most is,
how is it gonna look to the jury?
466
00:29:40,110 --> 00:29:44,320
And it looks bad when both the husband
and the mistress are charged together.
467
00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:48,120
And we told Lori, "You need to get
a lawyer, you need to separate from us."
468
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:52,740
Lori hired John Dill.
469
00:29:53,250 --> 00:29:56,620
If you need a trial lawyer,
get the real "dill."
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00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,330
Tried to get her case
separated from Larry's.
471
00:30:00,340 --> 00:30:02,710
As a defense attorney,
you'd rather be off on your own.
472
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:08,680
The charges against Lori
were five different counts of perjury,
473
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,390
and because of those
alleged false statements,
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00:30:11,390 --> 00:30:13,640
they charged her
with obstruction of justice.
475
00:30:14,220 --> 00:30:15,810
And also because of those statements,
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00:30:15,810 --> 00:30:18,900
charged her with accessory
after the fact to the murder.
477
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,980
The theory of the accessory
is that she lied in the grand jury
478
00:30:21,980 --> 00:30:25,150
and therefore was an accessory
after the fact to murder. It was absurd.
479
00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:28,240
An accessory after murder
is like the getaway driver
480
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,320
or the person who throws away
the ski mask.
481
00:30:30,910 --> 00:30:33,450
I believe that the government
wanted to keep the pressure on Lori
482
00:30:33,450 --> 00:30:35,330
so she would come
and make a plea agreement.
483
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:40,210
I think they thought after Brian Lovelace
comes forward with that statement--
484
00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:42,540
"I killed my fucking wife for you"--
485
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:46,260
that she was gonna come in and say,
"Oh, yeah, he did confess to me,"
486
00:30:46,260 --> 00:30:48,470
and that she would just be a witness
against him.
487
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:50,430
But she didn't hear that that way.
488
00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:53,930
This just shows that Lori didn't know
about the crime.
489
00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:57,560
The government is, you know,
picking on her, I mean, in a big way.
490
00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:05,360
Anna Grimley had testified that Lori
had confided in her
491
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,690
that she had given Larry an ultimatum.
492
00:31:07,690 --> 00:31:12,160
The implication somehow that she was
telling Larry to not only leave his wife
493
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,910
but to dispatch his wife.
494
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:18,410
They asked a question
that really took me by surprise
495
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:21,670
about Lori giving, um...
496
00:31:23,340 --> 00:31:25,250
oh, the ultimatum.
497
00:31:25,250 --> 00:31:28,550
Like, what's the word.
498
00:31:28,550 --> 00:31:31,220
Turned out through
her prior statements to the FBI
499
00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:33,140
that story had morphed and changed.
500
00:31:34,050 --> 00:31:36,470
Can you tell me more
about that conversation?
501
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:38,520
I don't really recall a lot of it
502
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,140
to be honest with you on that part.
503
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:42,690
She originally didn't say anything
about an ultimatum
504
00:31:42,690 --> 00:31:45,020
and later said,
"I don't really know what she said."
505
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:47,820
Later on, the FBI's, "Well, would you say
it was like an ultimatum?"
506
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:49,440
"Yeah, it was like an ultimatum."
507
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,700
That's, uh... Hey, well, that's the FBI.
508
00:31:53,820 --> 00:31:55,200
We weren't even friends.
509
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,530
We didn't talk on the phone.
510
00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:58,700
She never came to my house.
511
00:31:59,370 --> 00:32:00,660
There was no ultimatum.
512
00:32:00,660 --> 00:32:04,000
Why would I wait 15 years
to give him an ultimatum?
513
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,550
It just didn't make sense.
514
00:32:10,670 --> 00:32:12,260
The trial of a dentist
515
00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:14,390
charged with killing his wife
on an African safari
516
00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:16,430
continues in Colorado.
517
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:20,770
When the government closed,
we thought we were way ahead.
518
00:32:22,770 --> 00:32:26,060
It didn't feel that there was proof
that Larry had done this.
519
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,020
I was thinking,
"Okay, he's got to be innocent.
520
00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:30,820
He's got to be innocent.
We need to have more."
521
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:35,160
Are we just grasping at straws
to try to find this man guilty?
522
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,080
But Larry, as is his right,
had wanted to testify from the beginning.
523
00:32:40,750 --> 00:32:43,170
Typically when you're ahead,
you don't call your client.
524
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,130
But when you promise something in opening,
you have to follow through with it.
525
00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:53,260
When a defendant takes the stand,
it's the most important part of any trial.
526
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,890
I was really looking forward to
Lawrence's testimony.
527
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,140
That was the most exciting part
of the trial. Yes, like the Super Bowl.
528
00:33:04,140 --> 00:33:06,690
...had problems in the air,
completing just two of sixteen...
529
00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:11,650
We had spoken to so many people
around Larry Rudolph,
530
00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:16,610
but we'd never had an opportunity to
actually hear Larry Rudolph's version
531
00:33:16,620 --> 00:33:17,990
of events.
532
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,080
I wanted to get my story out
533
00:33:22,410 --> 00:33:25,580
I'm sure they did not understand
what had happened,
534
00:33:25,580 --> 00:33:28,710
and I'd like the world to know the truth.
535
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,090
I thought we had to humanize him
because he was painted as such a villain.
536
00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:37,050
We had to attack this theory that
was hammered by the governor
537
00:33:37,050 --> 00:33:40,350
over and over again,
which was the infidelity.
538
00:33:41,510 --> 00:33:44,430
So we came back with a big reveal.
539
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:48,400
Bianca and Larry had an open marriage.
540
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,440
An open marriage.
541
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,070
That's the first I ever heard
that it was an open marriage.
542
00:33:57,070 --> 00:33:59,160
No, there would never be an open marriage.
543
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,280
I thought that was absurd.
544
00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:05,080
He was saying a lot of things
that really weren't flattering,
545
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,170
certainly about how his wife wanted
to have different sexual relationship
546
00:34:09,170 --> 00:34:12,090
- and not with him.
- She had cheated on him early on
547
00:34:12,090 --> 00:34:14,090
in the marriage,
and they came to this agreement.
548
00:34:14,090 --> 00:34:19,050
It may not be something that is normal,
that we all see around, but it happened.
549
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:31,520
I found all of that to be a grotesque
distortion of the evidence that we knew.
550
00:34:32,150 --> 00:34:33,690
He said those things
551
00:34:33,690 --> 00:34:37,070
because he thought it would put him
in a more favorable light.
552
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:40,280
We knew he was lying,
he knew he was lying,
553
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,910
and the jury knew he was lying.
554
00:34:45,790 --> 00:34:49,000
And at one point
he starts trying to tear up.
555
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,420
He broke down
a number of times on the stand.
556
00:34:55,590 --> 00:34:57,970
People were crying.
We were crying when he cried.
557
00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:00,720
I believe that I saw him with tears,
and he seemed very emotional.
558
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,050
And I think
everyone in that courtroom
559
00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:06,270
could see that it was requiring
a lot of effort
560
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:08,600
and that those tears were not real.
561
00:35:09,310 --> 00:35:13,310
I actually wrote in my notebook,
"He's crying, but there's no tears."
562
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,110
He would cry and then make
some really loud noise and then stop.
563
00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:17,740
It was weird.
564
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,240
I didn't find it convincing.
565
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:23,780
Instead, what I saw was someone--
566
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,120
with the highest stakes possible--
567
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,370
thinking about how they were going
to manipulate a jury.
568
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,510
I thought it went well.
569
00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:41,930
They really didn't show any evidence
570
00:35:41,930 --> 00:35:43,010
that Larry...
571
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:45,390
killed her.
572
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:48,430
It's judgment day for Rudolph.
573
00:35:48,430 --> 00:35:50,430
Prosecutors say Lawrence Rudolph
574
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,690
killed his wife Bianca back in 2016.
575
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:55,900
I just thought
I don't think they're going to find...
576
00:35:55,900 --> 00:35:56,980
him guilty,
577
00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:59,860
and if they don't find him guilty,
they can't find me guilty.
578
00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:04,620
I felt we were in a strong position
at the end of our case.
579
00:36:04,620 --> 00:36:06,910
The marshals said we were gonna win.
580
00:36:06,910 --> 00:36:11,500
The reporters were all there telling us,
"Where's the victory party?"
581
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:14,880
So we all come back
into the courtroom.
582
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:19,090
And then, uh, the judge just starts
reading the verdict.
583
00:36:19,090 --> 00:36:22,430
Guilty, guilty, guilty.
584
00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:26,260
Found guilty of murdering his wife
on an African safari.
585
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:29,350
Convicted of killing his wife
while they vacationed in Africa.
586
00:36:29,350 --> 00:36:32,940
Now, Milliron was
convicted of being an accessory to murder.
587
00:36:32,940 --> 00:36:37,610
Dr. Rudolph faces up to life in prison
at sentencing. His girlfriend faces up to...
588
00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:41,030
I never thought
this would happen in a million years.
589
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:46,740
What did those 12 people see
that was so damaging
590
00:36:46,740 --> 00:36:49,080
that they all thought I was guilty?
591
00:36:49,580 --> 00:36:52,710
When he testified, I think that
was the turning point for a lot of us.
592
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:58,790
A-A lot of this was circumstantial,
um, until Larry got onto the stand.
593
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,050
For me it was Larry.
594
00:37:01,970 --> 00:37:03,590
Larry was Larry's downfall.
595
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,730
There just was not evidence
beyond a reasonable doubt.
596
00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:16,350
We believe Larry was convicted
because of the noise
597
00:37:16,350 --> 00:37:18,150
and not because of the evidence.
598
00:37:22,070 --> 00:37:27,280
Everybody at Safari Club was so happy
that they came down with that verdict,
599
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,080
but it doesn't bring Bianca back.
600
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,670
Bianca got the verdict
that she deserved to get.
601
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,880
Maybe now she can be at rest.
602
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:45,880
I like him sitting in that jail cell
and trying to learn some humility maybe.
603
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:49,600
It's Larry's world,
and we're all just living in it.
604
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,600
That's exactly how he treated it.
605
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,230
Karma definitely is a bitch,
and he got it.
606
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,400
He'll never get out of prison.
607
00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:00,440
When we heard, there was another party.
608
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,940
I mean, it's... We look for reasons for that
and that was an easy one.
609
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:08,360
Having been detained
a night or two in my life,
610
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:14,120
my guess is he's not gonna be one of
the guys who's running the posse in there.
611
00:38:18,500 --> 00:38:21,420
Everyone knew in advance
that Lawrence Rudolph was gonna get life
612
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:23,670
because that's the penalty
for foreign murder.
613
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:28,590
But for Lori Milliron, the penalty
could have been anywhere from probation,
614
00:38:29,090 --> 00:38:31,470
all the way up to, you know, decades.
615
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:36,770
We get into sentencing. She gets
the opportunity to address the court,
616
00:38:36,770 --> 00:38:41,810
and what she tells everyone assembled
there is that she's the victim
617
00:38:41,820 --> 00:38:44,780
of being prosecuted as part of this case.
618
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,660
And she expresses no remorse
for anything that has happened,
619
00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:53,160
no remorse for Bianca's death,
620
00:38:53,740 --> 00:38:57,540
no remorse for the children
and what they had to go through.
621
00:38:58,460 --> 00:39:00,630
This has been a waking nightmare.
622
00:39:01,130 --> 00:39:03,840
I'm trying to deal with everything
that we saw and process it
623
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,130
and move forward with my life,
which has not been easy.
624
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,010
I'm brokenhearted.
625
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:10,180
Me too, honey.
626
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:12,100
Never gonna be the same.
627
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,930
I don't understand.
628
00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:16,470
Why did you love Lori
629
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:19,640
more than you loved me and Mom and Julian?
630
00:39:19,940 --> 00:39:21,230
I don't, honey.
631
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:25,070
Lori ruined our family.
632
00:39:26,070 --> 00:39:27,490
I didn't do anything.
633
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,280
And I, you know,
I'm not violent. I didn't kill anybody,
634
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,950
didn't hurt anybody,
but they really wanted to put me in jail.
635
00:39:38,370 --> 00:39:39,710
And they did.
636
00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:45,630
The judge gave her 17 years
in federal prison.
637
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:48,050
It's so outrageous.
638
00:39:48,050 --> 00:39:50,170
You know, most drug dealers these days--
639
00:39:50,170 --> 00:39:53,220
even kingpins-- are not looking
at the time in jail that she's looking at.
640
00:39:54,260 --> 00:39:56,140
She was being loyal to Larry.
641
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,220
She could have made up a story,
642
00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:02,350
but she was not interested in doing that
because that wasn't what the truth was.
643
00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:05,860
So I think she was loyal to Larry,
even probably to a fault.
644
00:40:08,110 --> 00:40:09,530
It makes no sense.
645
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:14,910
I feel like that's the theme
of everything that's happened.
646
00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:16,780
It does not make sense.
647
00:40:19,450 --> 00:40:20,540
Hello?
648
00:40:21,370 --> 00:40:23,210
Hey, babe. Oh, my God.
649
00:40:24,210 --> 00:40:25,670
I didn't even get say goodbye to you,
650
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:27,250
so I wanted to give you a call.
651
00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:29,710
I'm so sorry, honey.
652
00:40:29,710 --> 00:40:31,210
I am too, Lori.
653
00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:32,420
You didn't do anything.
654
00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:33,510
You didn't need this.
655
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:36,550
I know, neither did you.
656
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,390
Did she get excited about the wealth?
657
00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:44,940
Yeah, but I don't think
she was an evil monster.
658
00:40:44,940 --> 00:40:46,690
I think she was just lost.
659
00:40:50,530 --> 00:40:55,160
So maybe Larry gave her the attention
that she probably didn't get from anybody.
660
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,120
Two innocent people.
661
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,580
I know.
662
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:09,210
When Lori Milliron met Lawrence Rudolph
very early on in her career...
663
00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:10,920
Hi, I'm Dr. Larry Rudolph.
664
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:13,630
...they had found their match together.
665
00:41:15,550 --> 00:41:18,300
The two of them were kindred spirits.
666
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,310
I think the evidence is consistent
with the idea that they loved each other,
667
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,310
that they wanted to be together,
668
00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:31,610
that she knew about this
and wanted it to happen.
669
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,240
I love you,
and I just wanted to call one more time
670
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,240
and say goodbye.
671
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,910
I hope it's not goodbye.
672
00:41:44,500 --> 00:41:47,920
It's goodbye. Yeah.
673
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:15,360
To this day, Larry Rudolph
is still receiving disability payments
674
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,070
related to that reported
crocodile attack in 2006.
675
00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:24,540
As a convicted felon,
he's still getting money for this in jail?
676
00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:25,830
Yes. Yes.
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