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carry on my way

carry on my way

carry on my way son there'll be peace when you are

son there'll be peace when you are

son there'll be peace when you are done lay your weary head to

done lay your weary head to

done lay your weary head to rest don't you cry no

rest don't you cry no

rest don't you cry no [Music]

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[Music] more take one of the of the most

more take one of the of the most

more take one of the of the most surprising things about the state of

surprising things about the state of

surprising things about the state of Kansas it strikes you how far you can

Kansas it strikes you how far you can

Kansas it strikes you how far you can see and how far you could go rarely

see and how far you could go rarely

see and how far you could go rarely going up a foot or down a foot or a hill

going up a foot or down a foot or a hill

going up a foot or down a foot or a hill or even the highest point in Kansas they

or even the highest point in Kansas they

or even the highest point in Kansas they refer to as a mound anywhere in this

refer to as a mound anywhere in this

refer to as a mound anywhere in this town of toeka in 10 minutes you're in

town of toeka in 10 minutes you're in

town of toeka in 10 minutes you're in the country we lived right on the city

the country we lived right on the city

the country we lived right on the city limits I mean the city limit line was

limits I mean the city limit line was

limits I mean the city limit line was just couple houses away and back then

just couple houses away and back then

just couple houses away and back then there wasn't like Suburbia you know like

there wasn't like Suburbia you know like

there wasn't like Suburbia you know like it is now I mean the minute that City

it is now I mean the minute that City

it is now I mean the minute that City limine everything we were surrounded by

limine everything we were surrounded by

limine everything we were surrounded by Farms the M as you drive across the

Farms the M as you drive across the

Farms the M as you drive across the state the wheat fields and the corn

state the wheat fields and the corn

state the wheat fields and the corn fields they just go

fields they just go

fields they just go forever and then then you have these

forever and then then you have these

forever and then then you have these little towns that pop up every once in a

little towns that pop up every once in a

little towns that pop up every once in a while so it's that expansive

while so it's that expansive

while so it's that expansive nothingness that lends itself to pretty

nothingness that lends itself to pretty

nothingness that lends itself to pretty much doing stuff indoors

much doing stuff indoors

much doing stuff indoors growing up in Kansas it was just

growing up in Kansas it was just

growing up in Kansas it was just fantastic all the books you read about a

fantastic all the books you read about a

fantastic all the books you read about a a young boy growing up I did all that

a young boy growing up I did all that

a young boy growing up I did all that stuff our world was get out go out the

stuff our world was get out go out the

stuff our world was get out go out the back door and which way we going and go

back door and which way we going and go

back door and which way we going and go as far as we could you

as far as we could you

as far as we could you know it was a Beaver Cleaver household

know it was a Beaver Cleaver household

know it was a Beaver Cleaver household for me it was extremely wholesome

for me it was extremely wholesome

for me it was extremely wholesome extremely

extremely

extremely normal was a great place to live great

normal was a great place to live great

normal was a great place to live great place to grow up all four seasons I

place to grow up all four seasons I

place to grow up all four seasons I wouldn't traded for the world I was turn

wouldn't traded for the world I was turn

wouldn't traded for the world I was turn out I was born in Coffeeville Kansas I

out I was born in Coffeeville Kansas I

out I was born in Coffeeville Kansas I was gone my dad was in the military as

was gone my dad was in the military as

was gone my dad was in the military as an Air Force family we moved every 2

an Air Force family we moved every 2

an Air Force family we moved every 2 years and the one thing that remained

years and the one thing that remained

years and the one thing that remained constant for me in those

constant for me in those

constant for me in those moves was teaching myself to play the

moves was teaching myself to play the

moves was teaching myself to play the drums what got me into music in my early

drums what got me into music in my early

drums what got me into music in my early teens I had a great aunt aunt Lily she

teens I had a great aunt aunt Lily she

teens I had a great aunt aunt Lily she was a great appreciator of classical

was a great appreciator of classical

was a great appreciator of classical music and she used to sit me down in her

music and she used to sit me down in her

music and she used to sit me down in her bedroom and put on these old records

bedroom and put on these old records

bedroom and put on these old records 78s and as it played she would talk to

78s and as it played she would talk to

78s and as it played she would talk to me about the the composer lives and I

me about the the composer lives and I

me about the the composer lives and I was so fascinated by this that I I I

was so fascinated by this that I I I

was so fascinated by this that I I I began to appreciate the music but I also

began to appreciate the music but I also

began to appreciate the music but I also appreciated the story that she was

appreciated the story that she was

appreciated the story that she was telling me about the the lies of the

telling me about the the lies of the

telling me about the the lies of the great composers my first recollection of

great composers my first recollection of

great composers my first recollection of knowing that I could kind of make sense

knowing that I could kind of make sense

knowing that I could kind of make sense out of music was I was watching this

out of music was I was watching this

out of music was I was watching this Bugs Bunny cartoon a musical signature

Bugs Bunny cartoon a musical signature

Bugs Bunny cartoon a musical signature came on I think it was d d you know

came on I think it was d d you know

came on I think it was d d you know something written by bethoven or

something written by bethoven or

something written by bethoven or something and I went over and plucked it

something and I went over and plucked it

something and I went over and plucked it out on piano and uh I took piano lessons

out on piano and uh I took piano lessons

out on piano and uh I took piano lessons for a short period of time for some

for a short period of time for some

for a short period of time for some reason I wanted to play a trumpet and my

reason I wanted to play a trumpet and my

reason I wanted to play a trumpet and my teeth were pretty bad and it was in

teeth were pretty bad and it was in

teeth were pretty bad and it was in second grade I sat in with a music class

second grade I sat in with a music class

second grade I sat in with a music class waiting to get a trumpet and finally the

waiting to get a trumpet and finally the

waiting to get a trumpet and finally the teacher said you know you don't have the

teacher said you know you don't have the

teacher said you know you don't have the the mouth for it and I was so

the mouth for it and I was so

the mouth for it and I was so disappointed and you know thank God for

disappointed and you know thank God for

disappointed and you know thank God for for bad

for bad

for bad teeth my parents asked me to um play the

teeth my parents asked me to um play the

teeth my parents asked me to um play the violin I guess made me play the violin

violin I guess made me play the violin

violin I guess made me play the violin would be more accurate I was the first

would be more accurate I was the first

would be more accurate I was the first chair in my high school orchestra in my

chair in my high school orchestra in my

chair in my high school orchestra in my junior high school orchestra in my grade

junior high school orchestra in my grade

junior high school orchestra in my grade school

school

school orchestra about nth grade I had no idea

orchestra about nth grade I had no idea

orchestra about nth grade I had no idea how I was going to pan out but I knew in

how I was going to pan out but I knew in

how I was going to pan out but I knew in my core I was a musician fast forward to

my core I was a musician fast forward to

my core I was a musician fast forward to the 60s and the Beatles on Ed Sullivan

the 60s and the Beatles on Ed Sullivan

the 60s and the Beatles on Ed Sullivan and it was like I'm going to do that

and it was like I'm going to do that

and it was like I'm going to do that sitting in front of the TV watching Ed

sitting in front of the TV watching Ed

sitting in front of the TV watching Ed and the Beatles came on and uh my father

and the Beatles came on and uh my father

and the Beatles came on and uh my father just about lost his lunch uh laughing at

just about lost his lunch uh laughing at

just about lost his lunch uh laughing at them and I remember looking around and

them and I remember looking around and

them and I remember looking around and going what the hell is so funny these

going what the hell is so funny these

going what the hell is so funny these people are kind of making sense to me

people are kind of making sense to me

people are kind of making sense to me here and that really was the initial

here and that really was the initial

here and that really was the initial fuse that was

fuse that was

fuse that was lit but it was not you know the British

lit but it was not you know the British

lit but it was not you know the British Invasion quote unquote that influenced

Invasion quote unquote that influenced

Invasion quote unquote that influenced Kansas it was the black

Kansas it was the black

Kansas it was the black musicians Wilson pick at White Soul

musicians Wilson pick at White Soul

musicians Wilson pick at White Soul young rasos just that kind of stuff and

young rasos just that kind of stuff and

young rasos just that kind of stuff and I I love AR people like Stevie Wonder

I I love AR people like Stevie Wonder

I I love AR people like Stevie Wonder were inspiring Wilson picking and James

were inspiring Wilson picking and James

were inspiring Wilson picking and James round were my all-time favorite

round were my all-time favorite

round were my all-time favorite screamers and I wanted to learn how to

screamers and I wanted to learn how to

screamers and I wanted to learn how to scream but I could never scream like

scream but I could never scream like

scream but I could never scream like that unbeknownst to me my bandmates were

that unbeknownst to me my bandmates were

that unbeknownst to me my bandmates were listening to the radio at the same time

listening to the radio at the same time

listening to the radio at the same time to the same stuff cuz we were all in TOA

to the same stuff cuz we were all in TOA

to the same stuff cuz we were all in TOA so when we got together to play we

so when we got together to play we

so when we got together to play we didn't like bust into some yes song or

didn't like bust into some yes song or

didn't like bust into some yes song or something we were playing the Four Tops

something we were playing the Four Tops

something we were playing the Four Tops you know we were playing oish reading

you know we were playing oish reading

you know we were playing oish reading you know we were playing and you know

you know we were playing and you know

you know we were playing and you know the Temptations those are the songs that

the Temptations those are the songs that

the Temptations those are the songs that we

we

we play even though people say I put the

play even though people say I put the

play even though people say I put the band together I guess I did because I

band together I guess I did because I

band together I guess I did because I made the phone calls but I had something

made the phone calls but I had something

made the phone calls but I had something in mind I really knew the guys that I

in mind I really knew the guys that I

in mind I really knew the guys that I wanted to play with the first person I

wanted to play with the first person I

wanted to play with the first person I called was Steve and the next day I

called was Steve and the next day I

called was Steve and the next day I called Rich Phil and called from England

called Rich Phil and called from England

called Rich Phil and called from England and say I want to come back and you know

and say I want to come back and you know

and say I want to come back and you know reform you know with you guys but I want

reform you know with you guys but I want

reform you know with you guys but I want to go fulltime I said I really want to

to go fulltime I said I really want to

to go fulltime I said I really want to go after this Rich goes I'm in and and I

go after this Rich goes I'm in and and I

go after this Rich goes I'm in and and I said what what do you think of Dave Rich

said what what do you think of Dave Rich

said what what do you think of Dave Rich goes natural Dave would be the best Bas

goes natural Dave would be the best Bas

goes natural Dave would be the best Bas player we could get so next I had to get

player we could get so next I had to get

player we could get so next I had to get Robbie well Robbie didn't know me I

Robbie well Robbie didn't know me I

Robbie well Robbie didn't know me I didn't know Robbie well I remember when

didn't know Robbie well I remember when

didn't know Robbie well I remember when Phil ehart called me and he said I heard

Phil ehart called me and he said I heard

Phil ehart called me and he said I heard you play and I wanted to find out if you

you play and I wanted to find out if you

you play and I wanted to find out if you wanted to to get together and form a

wanted to to get together and form a

wanted to to get together and form a band I remember being in Lawrence Kansas

band I remember being in Lawrence Kansas

band I remember being in Lawrence Kansas and seeing him playing and singing and I

and seeing him playing and singing and I

and seeing him playing and singing and I just thought that is a guy that I need

just thought that is a guy that I need

just thought that is a guy that I need to be in a band with I've never seen

to be in a band with I've never seen

to be in a band with I've never seen anybody else like that guy I've never

anybody else like that guy I've never

anybody else like that guy I've never heard anybody play like that guy and

heard anybody play like that guy and

heard anybody play like that guy and I've never heard anybody sing that way

I've never heard anybody sing that way

I've never heard anybody sing that way Robbie said do you guys have a tape so I

Robbie said do you guys have a tape so I

Robbie said do you guys have a tape so I sent him a real toore and he called back

sent him a real toore and he called back

sent him a real toore and he called back and he said awesome I'm in so the

and he said awesome I'm in so the

and he said awesome I'm in so the formula was there but the timing was

formula was there but the timing was

formula was there but the timing was everything one of the things I saw and

everything one of the things I saw and

everything one of the things I saw and feel was this ambition these guys were

feel was this ambition these guys were

feel was this ambition these guys were were pretty good and they and they were

were pretty good and they and they were

were pretty good and they and they were enthusiastic about what they were doing

enthusiastic about what they were doing

enthusiastic about what they were doing that was something that some of the my

that was something that some of the my

that was something that some of the my band members who I've been through high

band members who I've been through high

band members who I've been through high school with all those years they didn't

school with all those years they didn't

school with all those years they didn't really have the same ambition they they

really have the same ambition they they

really have the same ambition they they thought it was fun to play in a band but

thought it was fun to play in a band but

thought it was fun to play in a band but it wasn't really maybe what I want to do

it wasn't really maybe what I want to do

it wasn't really maybe what I want to do with my life and I said to myself I got

with my life and I said to myself I got

with my life and I said to myself I got to get Carrie he said Carrie I'd like to

to get Carrie he said Carrie I'd like to

to get Carrie he said Carrie I'd like to put together a super group Steve Walsh

put together a super group Steve Walsh

put together a super group Steve Walsh needs to be singing Carrie lian's

needs to be singing Carrie lian's

needs to be singing Carrie lian's incredible

incredible

incredible songs Steve came from St Joe and he came

songs Steve came from St Joe and he came

songs Steve came from St Joe and he came down here and he was in white clover

down here and he was in white clover

down here and he was in white clover with Phil and I thought man I don't know

with Phil and I thought man I don't know

with Phil and I thought man I don't know this guy but where they find him we

this guy but where they find him we

this guy but where they find him we heard Steve Walsh sing it was a soul in

heard Steve Walsh sing it was a soul in

heard Steve Walsh sing it was a soul in a white

a white

a white man that was very

deep it really was complete once we had

deep it really was complete once we had

deep it really was complete once we had you know the depth of car's songwriting

you know the depth of car's songwriting

you know the depth of car's songwriting and Steve's voice all of us really on

and Steve's voice all of us really on

and Steve's voice all of us really on the same page at the same time in our

the same page at the same time in our

the same page at the same time in our lives the same time in in history all

lives the same time in in history all

lives the same time in in history all that to evolve in into Kansas we were

that to evolve in into Kansas we were

that to evolve in into Kansas we were making a living in mainly the Midwest

making a living in mainly the Midwest

making a living in mainly the Midwest and uh it's a hard audience sometimes to

and uh it's a hard audience sometimes to

and uh it's a hard audience sometimes to get your stuff across in but we survived

get your stuff across in but we survived

get your stuff across in but we survived and and I think it made us stronger as

and and I think it made us stronger as

and and I think it made us stronger as we got away from doing a lot of the You

we got away from doing a lot of the You

we got away from doing a lot of the You Know cover songs so we could play gigs

Know cover songs so we could play gigs

Know cover songs so we could play gigs cuz we had to exist and start working on

cuz we had to exist and start working on

cuz we had to exist and start working on our own stuff this sound started to

our own stuff this sound started to

our own stuff this sound started to emerge everybody brought something

emerge everybody brought something

emerge everybody brought something musically to the collection that we

musically to the collection that we

musically to the collection that we would not have had had it not been for

would not have had had it not been for

would not have had had it not been for the six of us there was a kind of a

the six of us there was a kind of a

the six of us there was a kind of a confidence like this is a good band the

confidence like this is a good band the

confidence like this is a good band the combination of car's

combination of car's

combination of car's riding Steve's voice and Robbie's violin

riding Steve's voice and Robbie's violin

riding Steve's voice and Robbie's violin were the three key

were the three key

were the three key ingredients that to me really made

ingredients that to me really made

ingredients that to me really made Kansas different than the other bands

Kansas different than the other bands

Kansas different than the other bands that were out there we had absolutely

that were out there we had absolutely

that were out there we had absolutely everything necessary for a band to make

everything necessary for a band to make

everything necessary for a band to make it except that we were living in

it except that we were living in

it except that we were living in Kansas we were from a small town in in

Kansas we were from a small town in in

Kansas we were from a small town in in the middle of

the middle of

the middle of nowhere we were not on the East Coast we

nowhere we were not on the East Coast we

nowhere we were not on the East Coast we were not on the west coast we were as

were not on the west coast we were as

were not on the west coast we were as far from the music industry as it's

far from the music industry as it's

far from the music industry as it's possible to get there's no record

possible to get there's no record

possible to get there's no record companies to go to there were no

companies to go to there were no

companies to go to there were no entertainment attorneys there wasn't

entertainment attorneys there wasn't

entertainment attorneys there wasn't some big band that we were going to go

some big band that we were going to go

some big band that we were going to go to and hopefully they were going to

to and hopefully they were going to

to and hopefully they were going to listen to our demo and they would get us

listen to our demo and they would get us

listen to our demo and they would get us a deal we were just guys living in a

a deal we were just guys living in a

a deal we were just guys living in a band house 431 Roosevelt and this is the

band house 431 Roosevelt and this is the

band house 431 Roosevelt and this is the infamous band house in the history of

infamous band house in the history of

infamous band house in the history of the band Kansas

the band Kansas

the band Kansas we actually had two b3s two Hammond b3s

we actually had two b3s two Hammond b3s

we actually had two b3s two Hammond b3s a marshall rig a Basse rig and a drum

a marshall rig a Basse rig and a drum

a marshall rig a Basse rig and a drum set in this room the band house wow I

set in this room the band house wow I

set in this room the band house wow I slept in a in a closet about as big as

slept in a in a closet about as big as

slept in a in a closet about as big as this

this

this desk that was my bedroom was a closet

desk that was my bedroom was a closet

desk that was my bedroom was a closet early on I remember reading about the

early on I remember reading about the

early on I remember reading about the Kansas band house and for me it reminds

Kansas band house and for me it reminds

Kansas band house and for me it reminds me of like hard days night for the

me of like hard days night for the

me of like hard days night for the Beatles it's that thought of like bands

Beatles it's that thought of like bands

Beatles it's that thought of like bands living on top of one another and just

living on top of one another and just

living on top of one another and just like being you know and lessly engaged

like being you know and lessly engaged

like being you know and lessly engaged in each other's life five or six days a

in each other's life five or six days a

in each other's life five or six days a week with eight or nine guys living in a

week with eight or nine guys living in a

week with eight or nine guys living in a bandh house you can't see the floor

bandh house you can't see the floor

bandh house you can't see the floor anymore we actually came home one night

anymore we actually came home one night

anymore we actually came home one night uh from a gig in our school bus and we

uh from a gig in our school bus and we

uh from a gig in our school bus and we looked down the road and we said Gosh

looked down the road and we said Gosh

looked down the road and we said Gosh Look somebody's house is on fire and it

Look somebody's house is on fire and it

Look somebody's house is on fire and it was this

was this

was this house it's our time you know we're going

house it's our time you know we're going

house it's our time you know we're going to we know we be 25 and still doing this

to we know we be 25 and still doing this

to we know we be 25 and still doing this we wanted to start getting out of this

we wanted to start getting out of this

we wanted to start getting out of this local area then maybe have have a record

local area then maybe have have a record

local area then maybe have have a record out we had played a place out in Liberal

out we had played a place out in Liberal

out we had played a place out in Liberal Kansas a biker bar and we knew that

Kansas a biker bar and we knew that

Kansas a biker bar and we knew that there was a recording studio out there I

there was a recording studio out there I

there was a recording studio out there I think all the songs Steve had written

think all the songs Steve had written

think all the songs Steve had written and they were great I mean they had a

and they were great I mean they had a

and they were great I mean they had a lot of energy and it was us and we were

lot of energy and it was us and we were

lot of energy and it was us and we were having fun and the GU sang great it it

having fun and the GU sang great it it

having fun and the GU sang great it it was a good little demo and we thought

was a good little demo and we thought

was a good little demo and we thought well what are we going to do with it and

well what are we going to do with it and

well what are we going to do with it and we had had met a gentleman in New Jersey

we had had met a gentleman in New Jersey

we had had met a gentleman in New Jersey who had called and said I I know that

who had called and said I I know that

who had called and said I I know that Don kersner is is starting a label he's

Don kersner is is starting a label he's

Don kersner is is starting a label he's looking for bands why don't you send me

looking for bands why don't you send me

looking for bands why don't you send me that demo and I'll send it over to him

that demo and I'll send it over to him

that demo and I'll send it over to him he said he took it by he said there was

he said he took it by he said there was

he said he took it by he said there was tons of tapes all over this lady's desk

tons of tapes all over this lady's desk

tons of tapes all over this lady's desk and she said there's about 150 tapes

and she said there's about 150 tapes

and she said there's about 150 tapes ahead of you you probably won't be

ahead of you you probably won't be

ahead of you you probably won't be hearing from us but you never know he

hearing from us but you never know he

hearing from us but you never know he said thank you ma'am put it down gone

said thank you ma'am put it down gone

said thank you ma'am put it down gone well we never heard anything never heard

well we never heard anything never heard

well we never heard anything never heard anything so we went off to play and

anything so we went off to play and

anything so we went off to play and continued playing on our school bus

continued playing on our school bus

continued playing on our school bus driving around the Midwest just making

driving around the Midwest just making

driving around the Midwest just making our $175 a night living on a dollar a

our $175 a night living on a dollar a

our $175 a night living on a dollar a day each of us got $1 a day and uh those

day each of us got $1 a day and uh those

day each of us got $1 a day and uh those who

who

who smoked they had to come about their

smoked they had to come about their

smoked they had to come about their cigarettes in in in different and

cigarettes in in in different and

cigarettes in in in different and colorful ways we were playing a bar in

colorful ways we were playing a bar in

colorful ways we were playing a bar in Dodge City Kansas and during one of our

Dodge City Kansas and during one of our

Dodge City Kansas and during one of our breaks the bartender walked over and

breaks the bartender walked over and

breaks the bartender walked over and said uh there's a call for you from New

said uh there's a call for you from New

said uh there's a call for you from New York City would one of you like to talk

York City would one of you like to talk

York City would one of you like to talk to this gentleman from well we're going

to this gentleman from well we're going

to this gentleman from well we're going New York City do you know anybody I

New York City do you know anybody I

New York City do you know anybody I don't know anybody it was Wally gold

don't know anybody it was Wally gold

don't know anybody it was Wally gold calling Wally gold come to find out was

calling Wally gold come to find out was

calling Wally gold come to find out was Don kistner's right-hand man and he said

Don kistner's right-hand man and he said

Don kistner's right-hand man and he said love the tape love the violin you guys

love the tape love the violin you guys

love the tape love the violin you guys are great I'm coming out to see you in

are great I'm coming out to see you in

are great I'm coming out to see you in two weeks put together a gig we want to

two weeks put together a gig we want to

two weeks put together a gig we want to see if you guys are real Susie hung up

see if you guys are real Susie hung up

see if you guys are real Susie hung up yipp I mean we just want if we' had

yipp I mean we just want if we' had

yipp I mean we just want if we' had anything to throw in the air we would

anything to throw in the air we would

anything to throw in the air we would have thrown it in the air we knew this

have thrown it in the air we knew this

have thrown it in the air we knew this was going to be it this was going to be

was going to be it this was going to be

was going to be it this was going to be it that this was going to be our one

it that this was going to be our one

it that this was going to be our one chance the next day we were sitting in

chance the next day we were sitting in

chance the next day we were sitting in the bus and we thought well what are we

the bus and we thought well what are we

the bus and we thought well what are we going to do where are we going to have

going to do where are we going to have

going to do where are we going to have this we nobody comes to see us if this

this we nobody comes to see us if this

this we nobody comes to see us if this guy comes and there's nobody there he's

guy comes and there's nobody there he's

guy comes and there's nobody there he's just going to go well obviously they

just going to go well obviously they

just going to go well obviously they don't draw any people so we picked

don't draw any people so we picked

don't draw any people so we picked elenwood Kansas this little town in

elenwood Kansas this little town in

elenwood Kansas this little town in Western

Western

Western Kansas there's nothing but a grain

Kansas there's nothing but a grain

Kansas there's nothing but a grain elevator and a gas station and an opera

elevator and a gas station and an opera

elevator and a gas station and an opera house this old opera house was basically

house this old opera house was basically

house this old opera house was basically the only thing in this in the quote

the only thing in this in the quote

the only thing in this in the quote downtown area that was downtown I think

downtown area that was downtown I think

downtown area that was downtown I think it was like

it was like

it was like $150 to rent the place and that we were

$150 to rent the place and that we were

$150 to rent the place and that we were going to give away free beer and we put

going to give away free beer and we put

going to give away free beer and we put posters up on every telephone pole with

posters up on every telephone pole with

posters up on every telephone pole with a 200m radius and we thought that if we

a 200m radius and we thought that if we

a 200m radius and we thought that if we advertised enough that we were giving

advertised enough that we were giving

advertised enough that we were giving away free beer

away free beer

away free beer that uh people might come forget about

that uh people might come forget about

that uh people might come forget about who was playing under small print Under

who was playing under small print Under

who was playing under small print Under This is Kansas but free

This is Kansas but free

This is Kansas but free beer and man when when it came time for

beer and man when when it came time for

beer and man when when it came time for that show they were lined up for miles

that show they were lined up for miles

that show they were lined up for miles down the highway then there's people

down the highway then there's people

down the highway then there's people clamoring to get in the house is packed

clamoring to get in the house is packed

clamoring to get in the house is packed everybody's screaming well they're all

everybody's screaming well they're all

everybody's screaming well they're all drunk I remember that night pretty well

drunk I remember that night pretty well

drunk I remember that night pretty well because I was one of the people that

because I was one of the people that

because I was one of the people that actually counted the money that came in

actually counted the money that came in

actually counted the money that came in from the door we had 52 25 people there

from the door we had 52 25 people there

from the door we had 52 25 people there that night or

that night or

that night or 526 we charged them each a quarter to

526 we charged them each a quarter to

526 we charged them each a quarter to get in it was good it was a smart thing

get in it was good it was a smart thing

get in it was good it was a smart thing to do we I didn't realize it was that

to do we I didn't realize it was that

to do we I didn't realize it was that smart but packed the place out way over

smart but packed the place out way over

smart but packed the place out way over the top being young and dumb we did have

the top being young and dumb we did have

the top being young and dumb we did have a moment of Brilliance Wally was very

a moment of Brilliance Wally was very

a moment of Brilliance Wally was very surprised at the at the crowd reaction

surprised at the at the crowd reaction

surprised at the at the crowd reaction and he I don't think he knew that we had

and he I don't think he knew that we had

and he I don't think he knew that we had given away all this beer to all these

given away all this beer to all these

given away all this beer to all these kids so and and the crowd was just out

kids so and and the crowd was just out

kids so and and the crowd was just out of their mind needless to say we played

of their mind needless to say we played

of their mind needless to say we played our hearts out if you hear a tape of it

our hearts out if you hear a tape of it

our hearts out if you hear a tape of it it sounded

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[Music] horrible will

reach now we're going to die some of the

reach now we're going to die some of the

reach now we're going to die some of the worst vocals we' ever uttered in our

worst vocals we' ever uttered in our

worst vocals we' ever uttered in our lives ever sung in our lives are on that

lives ever sung in our lives are on that

lives ever sung in our lives are on that tape so we were amazed that Wally even

tape so we were amazed that Wally even

tape so we were amazed that Wally even signed us Wally was impressed and that's

signed us Wally was impressed and that's

signed us Wally was impressed and that's all pretty much that mattered he

all pretty much that mattered he

all pretty much that mattered he specifically walked over to Robbie and

specifically walked over to Robbie and

specifically walked over to Robbie and and uh said you know because of the

and uh said you know because of the

and uh said you know because of the violin I want to sign you guys somebody

violin I want to sign you guys somebody

violin I want to sign you guys somebody at Colombia I think his name was Godard

at Colombia I think his name was Godard

at Colombia I think his name was Godard leverson you know heard the violin and

leverson you know heard the violin and

leverson you know heard the violin and was into classical music and decided

was into classical music and decided

was into classical music and decided that that might be the way to go so when

that that might be the way to go so when

that that might be the way to go so when we heard that kishner was interested and

we heard that kishner was interested and

we heard that kishner was interested and I well all I all I knew in my head then

I well all I all I knew in my head then

I well all I all I knew in my head then was monkeys and I thought God what in

was monkeys and I thought God what in

was monkeys and I thought God what in the world do some guy hearing us after

the world do some guy hearing us after

the world do some guy hearing us after it was over Wally said you guys you're

it was over Wally said you guys you're

it was over Wally said you guys you're coming to New York we were ready to to

coming to New York we were ready to to

coming to New York we were ready to to get out of of Topeka and go record that

get out of of Topeka and go record that

get out of of Topeka and go record that gig Ellenwood opera house was a was the

gig Ellenwood opera house was a was the

gig Ellenwood opera house was a was the start of our career again all part of

start of our career again all part of

start of our career again all part of this miracle that that happened and this

this miracle that that happened and this

this miracle that that happened and this happened and this lined up that's how we

happened and this lined up that's how we

happened and this lined up that's how we got signed they literally seemed like

got signed they literally seemed like

got signed they literally seemed like one of the most down-to-earth groups you

one of the most down-to-earth groups you

one of the most down-to-earth groups you could ever meet and I think because it's

could ever meet and I think because it's

could ever meet and I think because it's hard to get your ass kissed in Kansas in

hard to get your ass kissed in Kansas in

hard to get your ass kissed in Kansas in La it's hard for you not to get your ass

La it's hard for you not to get your ass

La it's hard for you not to get your ass kissed we didn't know anything about the

kissed we didn't know anything about the

kissed we didn't know anything about the business there was no internet where you

business there was no internet where you

business there was no internet where you could go and say well how do we do this

could go and say well how do we do this

could go and say well how do we do this we didn't think to consult an attorney

we didn't think to consult an attorney

we didn't think to consult an attorney duh here's the contract sign it there's

duh here's the contract sign it there's

duh here's the contract sign it there's a big thick one then there was just a

a big thick one then there was just a

a big thick one then there was just a couple Pages called publishing and I

couple Pages called publishing and I

couple Pages called publishing and I remember to the day I die Carrie turning

remember to the day I die Carrie turning

remember to the day I die Carrie turning me and going what is publishing I think

me and going what is publishing I think

me and going what is publishing I think it has something to do with she music

it has something to do with she music

it has something to do with she music let's sign it signed away 30 million

let's sign it signed away 30 million

let's sign it signed away 30 million albums worth of publishing we all

albums worth of publishing we all

albums worth of publishing we all willingly leap to to the table and sign

willingly leap to to the table and sign

willingly leap to to the table and sign this we weren't thinking about how many

this we weren't thinking about how many

this we weren't thinking about how many points we're going to be going anywhere

points we're going to be going anywhere

points we're going to be going anywhere we didn't even know what that meant Don

we didn't even know what that meant Don

we didn't even know what that meant Don said guys I'm a publisher I have Carol

said guys I'm a publisher I have Carol

said guys I'm a publisher I have Carol King publishing I have Beatles

King publishing I have Beatles

King publishing I have Beatles publishing I have Neil Sedaka publishing

publishing I have Neil Sedaka publishing

publishing I have Neil Sedaka publishing I have mon monkeys publishing I've built

I have mon monkeys publishing I've built

I have mon monkeys publishing I've built my Empire on publishing I'm not really a

my Empire on publishing I'm not really a

my Empire on publishing I'm not really a record company guy I'm a publisher if

record company guy I'm a publisher if

record company guy I'm a publisher if you want to do this deal that's what I

you want to do this deal that's what I

you want to do this deal that's what I own if you don't want to do it I wish

own if you don't want to do it I wish

own if you don't want to do it I wish you all the best asked well if it wasn't

you all the best asked well if it wasn't

you all the best asked well if it wasn't for Don kersner I wouldn't be doing this

for Don kersner I wouldn't be doing this

for Don kersner I wouldn't be doing this interview not that I re regret that

interview not that I re regret that

interview not that I re regret that because like I say it was the only break

because like I say it was the only break

because like I say it was the only break we ever got this was an opportunity to

we ever got this was an opportunity to

we ever got this was an opportunity to record an album we were now heading to

record an album we were now heading to

record an album we were now heading to New York with a whole Bevy of new

New York with a whole Bevy of new

New York with a whole Bevy of new material unbeknown to to our producer

material unbeknown to to our producer

material unbeknown to to our producer who whose last record was Barbara

who whose last record was Barbara

who whose last record was Barbara Sten this is going to be interesting

Sten this is going to be interesting

Sten this is going to be interesting coming from topa to New York was very

coming from topa to New York was very

coming from topa to New York was very small to very big and we were very slack

small to very big and we were very slack

small to very big and we were very slack jawed open-mouthed about it all we

jawed open-mouthed about it all we

jawed open-mouthed about it all we didn't have a road manager we didn't

didn't have a road manager we didn't

didn't have a road manager we didn't have a manager we didn't have anybody it

have a manager we didn't have anybody it

have a manager we didn't have anybody it was just a six of nobody was even there

was just a six of nobody was even there

was just a six of nobody was even there to meet us this was back in the day when

to meet us this was back in the day when

to meet us this was back in the day when 42nd Street was really a destination

42nd Street was really a destination

42nd Street was really a destination that you were really careful to walk

that you were really careful to walk

that you were really careful to walk there was drug dealers and hookers

there was drug dealers and hookers

there was drug dealers and hookers everywhere that was all very

everywhere that was all very

everywhere that was all very intimidating coming from a place where

intimidating coming from a place where

intimidating coming from a place where people didn't even lock their

doors let's go to the recording studio

doors let's go to the recording studio

doors let's go to the recording studio you know it's a record plant probably

you know it's a record plant probably

you know it's a record plant probably one of the most famous studios at the

one of the most famous studios at the

one of the most famous studios at the time in the world Studio A was Alice

time in the world Studio A was Alice

time in the world Studio A was Alice Cooper BJ Thomas is in another place one

Cooper BJ Thomas is in another place one

Cooper BJ Thomas is in another place one of the guys that was shuffling in and

of the guys that was shuffling in and

of the guys that was shuffling in and out of our third story studio all the

out of our third story studio all the

out of our third story studio all the time we were doing the first record was

time we were doing the first record was

time we were doing the first record was Rick daringer still one of the best

Rick daringer still one of the best

Rick daringer still one of the best guitar players ever there goes Steven

guitar players ever there goes Steven

guitar players ever there goes Steven Tyler and there goes John lenen and

Tyler and there goes John lenen and

Tyler and there goes John lenen and Kansas little old Kansas was in Studio C

Kansas little old Kansas was in Studio C

Kansas little old Kansas was in Studio C uh we had the midnight shift at the

uh we had the midnight shift at the

uh we had the midnight shift at the record plant and no pressure $0000 an

record plant and no pressure $0000 an

record plant and no pressure $0000 an hour you know we knew nothing about the

hour you know we knew nothing about the

hour you know we knew nothing about the recording process you know outside of

recording process you know outside of

recording process you know outside of setting up a couple of mics and

setting up a couple of mics and

setting up a couple of mics and recording ourselves live uh our only

recording ourselves live uh our only

recording ourselves live uh our only experience before that was going into a

experience before that was going into a

experience before that was going into a little eight track Studio where we did

little eight track Studio where we did

little eight track Studio where we did the demo recording was a completely

the demo recording was a completely

the demo recording was a completely different process then it was very

different process then it was very

different process then it was very Elementary recording a song from

Elementary recording a song from

Elementary recording a song from beginning end was was a chore I mean

beginning end was was a chore I mean

beginning end was was a chore I mean back then we had to do everything over

back then we had to do everything over

back then we had to do everything over and over and over again they had to

and over and over again they had to

and over and over again they had to punch you in and out clean and uh if you

punch you in and out clean and uh if you

punch you in and out clean and uh if you made a mistake you might have to play

made a mistake you might have to play

made a mistake you might have to play two verses in a chorus before they could

two verses in a chorus before they could

two verses in a chorus before they could punch you out so one note off you just

punch you out so one note off you just

punch you out so one note off you just sweat it and then you missed that

sweat it and then you missed that

sweat it and then you missed that nerve-wracking very alive you couldn't

nerve-wracking very alive you couldn't

nerve-wracking very alive you couldn't there was no copy and paste okay we've

there was no copy and paste okay we've

there was no copy and paste okay we've got this now we'll just fly this in

got this now we'll just fly this in

got this now we'll just fly this in every other time and these weren't 89

every other time and these weren't 89

every other time and these weren't 89 minute songs that I was playing from

minute songs that I was playing from

minute songs that I was playing from beginning to end you know well you

beginning to end you know well you

beginning to end you know well you better get it right well gee no pressure

better get it right well gee no pressure

better get it right well gee no pressure you know can I do it again well you're

you know can I do it again well you're

you know can I do it again well you're not going to do a bunch of 9 minute

not going to do a bunch of 9 minute

not going to do a bunch of 9 minute songs we don't have enough tape so

songs we don't have enough tape so

songs we don't have enough tape so everything had to be from the beginning

everything had to be from the beginning

everything had to be from the beginning to the end in its entirety and so by the

to the end in its entirety and so by the

to the end in its entirety and so by the time you got a basic

time you got a basic

time you got a basic track it was it was such a celebration

track it was it was such a celebration

track it was it was such a celebration yeah once Steve started

yeah once Steve started

yeah once Steve started singing oh my

singing oh my

singing oh my gosh the Mind love the worldy ways and

gosh the Mind love the worldy ways and

gosh the Mind love the worldy ways and hope to

hope to

hope to find we'd go get a pizza we'd come back

find we'd go get a pizza we'd come back

find we'd go get a pizza we'd come back on oh my gosh where did this guy come

on oh my gosh where did this guy come

on oh my gosh where did this guy come from you know

from you know

from you know to find the light of day in his

to find the light of day in his

to find the light of day in his soul he had found it was a chance for us

soul he had found it was a chance for us

soul he had found it was a chance for us to really hear for the first time the

to really hear for the first time the

to really hear for the first time the depth of

depth of

depth of Steve will through

Steve will through

Steve will through return Destiny fill the words

return Destiny fill the words

return Destiny fill the words [Music]

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with

with eternal

eternal

eternal [Music]

we had no idea this guy could go to the

we had no idea this guy could go to the

we had no idea this guy could go to the Moon as a

Moon as a

Moon as a [Applause]

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[Music] sent we made that album in two

sent we made that album in two

sent we made that album in two weeks two weeks total most of them were

weeks two weeks total most of them were

weeks two weeks total most of them were first takes live

first takes live

first takes live playing and uh and that was

playing and uh and that was

playing and uh and that was it the first time we met Don kishner uh

it the first time we met Don kishner uh

it the first time we met Don kishner uh um going up to his

um going up to his

um going up to his office he had probably seen a promo shot

office he had probably seen a promo shot

office he had probably seen a promo shot but I don't even know if he had that but

but I don't even know if he had that but

but I don't even know if he had that but you know us walking into his office

you know us walking into his office

you know us walking into his office Larger than Life he must have been

Larger than Life he must have been

Larger than Life he must have been impressed because we looked fairly

impressed because we looked fairly

impressed because we looked fairly imposing we were big guys uh Rich was a

imposing we were big guys uh Rich was a

imposing we were big guys uh Rich was a huge guy with overalls on with hair out

huge guy with overalls on with hair out

huge guy with overalls on with hair out like this Robby head hair like his

like this Robby head hair like his

like this Robby head hair like his whatever he was thinking I don't know

whatever he was thinking I don't know

whatever he was thinking I don't know the thing about Don kersner is I'd never

the thing about Don kersner is I'd never

the thing about Don kersner is I'd never seen a a gentleman like that before

seen a a gentleman like that before

seen a a gentleman like that before $3,000 suits $200 manicures pedicures

$3,000 suits $200 manicures pedicures

$3,000 suits $200 manicures pedicures you know just perfect from head to toe I

you know just perfect from head to toe I

you know just perfect from head to toe I can't imagine when we left the room he

can't imagine when we left the room he

can't imagine when we left the room he must have gone to to Wall-E and herbis

must have gone to to Wall-E and herbis

must have gone to to Wall-E and herbis was going what have we got ourselves

was going what have we got ourselves

was going what have we got ourselves into here one thing that impressed us

into here one thing that impressed us

into here one thing that impressed us with who he was he gave us a check for

with who he was he gave us a check for

with who he was he gave us a check for 10

10

10 grand now

grand now

grand now $110,000 was more money than we had ever

$110,000 was more money than we had ever

$110,000 was more money than we had ever never dreamed

never dreamed

never dreamed of well my job when I went home was to

of well my job when I went home was to

of well my job when I went home was to work on the album cover I was never an

work on the album cover I was never an

work on the album cover I was never an artist so it wasn't like anything I was

artist so it wasn't like anything I was

artist so it wasn't like anything I was going to draw or formulate but I I knew

going to draw or formulate but I I knew

going to draw or formulate but I I knew in my mind what the album cover was

in my mind what the album cover was

in my mind what the album cover was going to

be it's John Brown in Thea state capital

be it's John Brown in Thea state capital

be it's John Brown in Thea state capital building I was here in 1966 when I was

building I was here in 1966 when I was

building I was here in 1966 when I was 15 16 years old and I remember walking

15 16 years old and I remember walking

15 16 years old and I remember walking in and seeing this mural and just going

in and seeing this mural and just going

in and seeing this mural and just going uh that is so amazing and if I'm ever in

uh that is so amazing and if I'm ever in

uh that is so amazing and if I'm ever in a band that were able to have an album

a band that were able to have an album

a band that were able to have an album come out that's got to be the cover but

come out that's got to be the cover but

come out that's got to be the cover but I couldn't find a photo of it and uh I

I couldn't find a photo of it and uh I

I couldn't find a photo of it and uh I had run into it a childhood friend of

had run into it a childhood friend of

had run into it a childhood friend of mine he said well I heard you guys made

mine he said well I heard you guys made

mine he said well I heard you guys made a record again this is all part of this

a record again this is all part of this

a record again this is all part of this whole Miracle thing that just how do

whole Miracle thing that just how do

whole Miracle thing that just how do these things line up he said you know

these things line up he said you know

these things line up he said you know what's your cover he he was a good

what's your cover he he was a good

what's your cover he he was a good friend so he wanted to know everything

friend so he wanted to know everything

friend so he wanted to know everything about the record and I said well we're

about the record and I said well we're

about the record and I said well we're going to use the the John Brown painting

going to use the the John Brown painting

going to use the the John Brown painting in the capital building and and I said

in the capital building and and I said

in the capital building and and I said but we can't find a photo and he goes

but we can't find a photo and he goes

but we can't find a photo and he goes Phil my dad is is the Kansas State

Phil my dad is is the Kansas State

Phil my dad is is the Kansas State photographer my dad's got the photo what

photographer my dad's got the photo what

photographer my dad's got the photo what he said yeah my dad's got the photo I'll

he said yeah my dad's got the photo I'll

he said yeah my dad's got the photo I'll give him a call so he calls his dad he

give him a call so he calls his dad he

give him a call so he calls his dad he says oh yeah I got a whole bunch of

says oh yeah I got a whole bunch of

says oh yeah I got a whole bunch of pictures of that he said they're welcome

pictures of that he said they're welcome

pictures of that he said they're welcome to use it I was thrilled about the album

to use it I was thrilled about the album

to use it I was thrilled about the album cover I thought it I thought it said a

cover I thought it I thought it said a

cover I thought it I thought it said a lot without really saying a lot you know

lot without really saying a lot you know

lot without really saying a lot you know a Bible in one hand and a rifle in the

a Bible in one hand and a rifle in the

a Bible in one hand and a rifle in the other you can't get any weirder than

other you can't get any weirder than

other you can't get any weirder than that if there is one iconic image of

that if there is one iconic image of

that if there is one iconic image of Kansas it's John Brown and we used his

Kansas it's John Brown and we used his

Kansas it's John Brown and we used his photo on the album cover the name Kansas

photo on the album cover the name Kansas

photo on the album cover the name Kansas says it all it's like you know as

says it all it's like you know as

says it all it's like you know as opposed to a Genesis or yes there was no

opposed to a Genesis or yes there was no

opposed to a Genesis or yes there was no pretention really the pretention was the

pretention really the pretention was the

pretention really the pretention was the desire to you know push Rock a little

desire to you know push Rock a little

desire to you know push Rock a little further get a call from CBS at the time

further get a call from CBS at the time

further get a call from CBS at the time and said guys have you ever done a photo

and said guys have you ever done a photo

and said guys have you ever done a photo session uh no well we're going to send

session uh no well we're going to send

session uh no well we're going to send out a photographer one of our

out a photographer one of our

out a photographer one of our photographers a staff uh photographer to

photographers a staff uh photographer to

photographers a staff uh photographer to come photograph you guys cuz we need

come photograph you guys cuz we need

come photograph you guys cuz we need some band pictures this band is the all

some band pictures this band is the all

some band pictures this band is the all time we hate photographers band a guy

time we hate photographers band a guy

time we hate photographers band a guy shows up and his name is Don

shows up and his name is Don

shows up and his name is Don hunstein nice guy probably drew the

hunstein nice guy probably drew the

hunstein nice guy probably drew the Short Straw you can imagine who wants to

Short Straw you can imagine who wants to

Short Straw you can imagine who wants to go to Kansas and photograph Kansas was

go to Kansas and photograph Kansas was

go to Kansas and photograph Kansas was like okay well take a number out of the

like okay well take a number out of the

like okay well take a number out of the Hat low number has to go you know well

Hat low number has to go you know well

Hat low number has to go you know well obviously he didn't have a chance to

obviously he didn't have a chance to

obviously he didn't have a chance to scout any places so where's the first

scout any places so where's the first

scout any places so where's the first place he takes us you can imagine with

place he takes us you can imagine with

place he takes us you can imagine with this beautiful countryside he takes us

this beautiful countryside he takes us

this beautiful countryside he takes us to

to

to McDonald's I thought Steve was going to

McDonald's I thought Steve was going to

McDonald's I thought Steve was going to punch him in the face if you look at

punch him in the face if you look at

punch him in the face if you look at some of these early photographs of Steve

some of these early photographs of Steve

some of these early photographs of Steve Steve's just like I mean he was like you

Steve's just like I mean he was like you

Steve's just like I mean he was like you know this is not what I imagined you

know this is not what I imagined you

know this is not what I imagined you know in McDonald's and I'm just going

know in McDonald's and I'm just going

know in McDonald's and I'm just going let's just go with it for now you know

let's just go with it for now you know

let's just go with it for now you know get this and Steve was just like you

get this and Steve was just like you

get this and Steve was just like you know biting through metal you know then

know biting through metal you know then

know biting through metal you know then he takes us to a truck lot cuz cuz while

he takes us to a truck lot cuz cuz while

he takes us to a truck lot cuz cuz while he's shooting us at McDonald's he

he's shooting us at McDonald's he

he's shooting us at McDonald's he notices these semi these big

notices these semi these big

notices these semi these big semis uh for sale at a truck lab let's

semis uh for sale at a truck lab let's

semis uh for sale at a truck lab let's go over there to those semis we're going

go over there to those semis we're going

go over there to those semis we're going why Don cuz you know Kansas has a big

why Don cuz you know Kansas has a big

why Don cuz you know Kansas has a big sound what like a

sound what like a

sound what like a semi while we're standing there again

semi while we're standing there again

semi while we're standing there again another miracle a storm moves in now

another miracle a storm moves in now

another miracle a storm moves in now Kansas storms happen like in about 5

Kansas storms happen like in about 5

Kansas storms happen like in about 5 minutes and he looks off in the distance

minutes and he looks off in the distance

minutes and he looks off in the distance and here comes one of those black cloud

and here comes one of those black cloud

and here comes one of those black cloud nightmares coming towards Topeka and and

nightmares coming towards Topeka and and

nightmares coming towards Topeka and and it's dark and it's black behind the band

it's dark and it's black behind the band

it's dark and it's black behind the band and there's not much light and all of a

and there's not much light and all of a

and there's not much light and all of a sudden the clouds part and we lied up

sudden the clouds part and we lied up

sudden the clouds part and we lied up said look that way don't look at me look

said look that way don't look at me look

said look that way don't look at me look at the sun it's like and all this we're

at the sun it's like and all this we're

at the sun it's like and all this we're looking at the wind it's like blowing

looking at the wind it's like blowing

looking at the wind it's like blowing look at the Sun and we're going God

look at the Sun and we're going God

look at the Sun and we're going God you're killing us you know that was an

you're killing us you know that was an

you're killing us you know that was an iconic picture that remained with us

iconic picture that remained with us

iconic picture that remained with us through all 40 years and he took us to a

through all 40 years and he took us to a

through all 40 years and he took us to a few more places but he kept saying I got

few more places but he kept saying I got

few more places but he kept saying I got it I got the photo I and that was the

it I got the photo I and that was the

it I got the photo I and that was the last ingredient added it to the cake and

last ingredient added it to the cake and

last ingredient added it to the cake and came out the first Kansas

came out the first Kansas

came out the first Kansas Al we have made a

Al we have made a

Al we have made a record and so you know now we're going

record and so you know now we're going

record and so you know now we're going to be conquering Heroes coming back to

to be conquering Heroes coming back to

to be conquering Heroes coming back to Topeka so we're kind of a big deal in

Topeka so we're kind of a big deal in

Topeka so we're kind of a big deal in Topeka because we went to New York and

Topeka because we went to New York and

Topeka because we went to New York and made a record with a big music mogul

made a record with a big music mogul

made a record with a big music mogul that everybody was watching on TV every

that everybody was watching on TV every

that everybody was watching on TV every Friday nights I guess and now we're home

Friday nights I guess and now we're home

Friday nights I guess and now we're home so now what do we

so now what do we

so now what do we [Music]

[Music]

[Music] do when we came back to to

do when we came back to to

do when we came back to to we're telling our friends yeah we make a

we're telling our friends yeah we make a

we're telling our friends yeah we make a record's going to be out here pretty

record's going to be out here pretty

record's going to be out here pretty quick

quick

quick uh-huh we had no idea it took that long

uh-huh we had no idea it took that long

uh-huh we had no idea it took that long from the time you cut it we just thought

from the time you cut it we just thought

from the time you cut it we just thought maybe next month or something sat and

maybe next month or something sat and

maybe next month or something sat and sat and we proceeded to sit on our

sat and we proceeded to sit on our

sat and we proceeded to sit on our behinds for almost a year it was it

behinds for almost a year it was it

behinds for almost a year it was it became kind of a struggle at this point

became kind of a struggle at this point

became kind of a struggle at this point it was kind of a scary moment bit

it was kind of a scary moment bit

it was kind of a scary moment bit disillusioned by the whole process the

disillusioned by the whole process the

disillusioned by the whole process the marketing plan had to be put together to

marketing plan had to be put together to

marketing plan had to be put together to satisfy us cuz we were spending our

satisfy us cuz we were spending our

satisfy us cuz we were spending our dollars in advertising we didn't just

dollars in advertising we didn't just

dollars in advertising we didn't just release it you know that Tuesday thing

release it you know that Tuesday thing

release it you know that Tuesday thing wasn't in existence in those days like

wasn't in existence in those days like

wasn't in existence in those days like it is now you release the records in the

it is now you release the records in the

it is now you release the records in the stores on Tuesdays when it was ready to

stores on Tuesdays when it was ready to

stores on Tuesdays when it was ready to go we put it out well we have to eat so

go we put it out well we have to eat so

go we put it out well we have to eat so I guess it's back in the bus and back at

I guess it's back in the bus and back at

I guess it's back in the bus and back at I70 west on I70 was where our bus would

I70 west on I70 was where our bus would

I70 west on I70 was where our bus would go by itself I mean it was one of those

go by itself I mean it was one of those

go by itself I mean it was one of those things we played so much West on I70

things we played so much West on I70

things we played so much West on I70 everything we played was West we never

everything we played was West we never

everything we played was West we never went to Kansas City we never went into

went to Kansas City we never went into

went to Kansas City we never went into Missouri we never went in Nebraska or

Missouri we never went in Nebraska or

Missouri we never went in Nebraska or even you know Oklahoma it was get in

even you know Oklahoma it was get in

even you know Oklahoma it was get in this bus and go West on I70 I remember

this bus and go West on I70 I remember

this bus and go West on I70 I remember that winter we didn't have a heater we

that winter we didn't have a heater we

that winter we didn't have a heater we picked up the hitchhiker dead cold

picked up the hitchhiker dead cold

picked up the hitchhiker dead cold winter I thought we thought that poor

winter I thought we thought that poor

winter I thought we thought that poor guy and he rode with us for about a half

guy and he rode with us for about a half

guy and he rode with us for about a half an hour and he says hey I I hope you

an hour and he says hey I I hope you

an hour and he says hey I I hope you don't think I'm being a jerk or anything

don't think I'm being a jerk or anything

don't think I'm being a jerk or anything but would you let me off cuz I want to

but would you let me off cuz I want to

but would you let me off cuz I want to take my chances getting in a car with a

take my chances getting in a car with a

take my chances getting in a car with a heater we said we perfectly understand

heater we said we perfectly understand

heater we said we perfectly understand pulled over on the side of the highway

pulled over on the side of the highway

pulled over on the side of the highway and let him off to turn this bus you

and let him off to turn this bus you

and let him off to turn this bus you would turn the wheel and keep on turning

would turn the wheel and keep on turning

would turn the wheel and keep on turning turn it turn and it move like this much

turn it turn and it move like this much

turn it turn and it move like this much then you go back this way so you're

then you go back this way so you're

then you go back this way so you're constantly doing this while you're

constantly doing this while you're

constantly doing this while you're driving it so here we are riding back

driving it so here we are riding back

driving it so here we are riding back out I said we just been in New York wind

out I said we just been in New York wind

out I said we just been in New York wind and Dy the finest Studios John lenen

and Dy the finest Studios John lenen

and Dy the finest Studios John lenen Yoko everybody hey how's it and now

Yoko everybody hey how's it and now

Yoko everybody hey how's it and now we're back in the bus looking at

we're back in the bus looking at

we're back in the bus looking at cornfields we set up our own tour

cornfields we set up our own tour

cornfields we set up our own tour playing around the State promoting our

playing around the State promoting our

playing around the State promoting our own shows and that really got us by 10

own shows and that really got us by 10

own shows and that really got us by 10 months the record finally recorded in 73

months the record finally recorded in 73

months the record finally recorded in 73 it came out in 74 came out in the next

it came out in 74 came out in the next

it came out in 74 came out in the next year the record was out it was in stores

year the record was out it was in stores

year the record was out it was in stores so you could actually go and pick it up

so you could actually go and pick it up

so you could actually go and pick it up and there was that John Brown guy

and there was that John Brown guy

and there was that John Brown guy looking at you and we turned it over and

looking at you and we turned it over and

looking at you and we turned it over and there was that picture of us standing on

there was that picture of us standing on

there was that picture of us standing on the hill and we thought wow how did that

the hill and we thought wow how did that

the hill and we thought wow how did that turn out so good and after that things

turn out so good and after that things

turn out so good and after that things started happening pretty fast finally

started happening pretty fast finally

started happening pretty fast finally Kansas is on the map now what do we do

Kansas is on the map now what do we do

Kansas is on the map now what do we do enter car it's 1974 I'm working in New

enter car it's 1974 I'm working in New

enter car it's 1974 I'm working in New York as a booking agent for uh major

York as a booking agent for uh major

York as a booking agent for uh major talent agency I got a call from a friend

talent agency I got a call from a friend

talent agency I got a call from a friend I went to college with who is now

I went to college with who is now

I went to college with who is now working is working for a um very large

working is working for a um very large

working is working for a um very large management company in Los Angeles called

management company in Los Angeles called

management company in Los Angeles called BNB Associates and Elliot Abbott was his

BNB Associates and Elliot Abbott was his

BNB Associates and Elliot Abbott was his name and Elliot said to me so if we're

name and Elliot said to me so if we're

name and Elliot said to me so if we're going to sign him you have to sign him

going to sign him you have to sign him

going to sign him you have to sign him as an agent and I went okay and we were

as an agent and I went okay and we were

as an agent and I went okay and we were off to to Phoenix Arizona to open for my

off to to Phoenix Arizona to open for my

off to to Phoenix Arizona to open for my childhood Idols the Kings we found very

childhood Idols the Kings we found very

childhood Idols the Kings we found very quickly when we started Touring that we

quickly when we started Touring that we

quickly when we started Touring that we needed a sound man so I mentioned to the

needed a sound man so I mentioned to the

needed a sound man so I mentioned to the guys I said why don't we have Jeff go on

guys I said why don't we have Jeff go on

guys I said why don't we have Jeff go on the road with us and be our soundman we

the road with us and be our soundman we

the road with us and be our soundman we need a soundman come with us you love

need a soundman come with us you love

need a soundman come with us you love sound you're into this whole concept of

sound you're into this whole concept of

sound you're into this whole concept of putting all the sound through a PA

putting all the sound through a PA

putting all the sound through a PA system which you know miking it up every

system which you know miking it up every

system which you know miking it up every instrument and controlling the sound so

instrument and controlling the sound so

instrument and controlling the sound so why don't you come do that with us we're

why don't you come do that with us we're

why don't you come do that with us we're going to kind of Hit the road and then

going to kind of Hit the road and then

going to kind of Hit the road and then you know see how it goes he didn't even

you know see how it goes he didn't even

you know see how it goes he didn't even think about he just went all right I'll

think about he just went all right I'll

think about he just went all right I'll do it it and Jeff was just as hungry as

do it it and Jeff was just as hungry as

do it it and Jeff was just as hungry as we were and Jeff learned fast from that

we were and Jeff learned fast from that

we were and Jeff learned fast from that moment on we started getting opening

moment on we started getting opening

moment on we started getting opening slots you know here and there a year

slots you know here and there a year

slots you know here and there a year later or so we are gone when you're

later or so we are gone when you're

later or so we are gone when you're starting bands out um you just do the

starting bands out um you just do the

starting bands out um you just do the best you can to continually get them

best you can to continually get them

best you can to continually get them gigs and the acts that they went out

gigs and the acts that they went out

gigs and the acts that they went out with Mo the hoop uh The Kinks they all

with Mo the hoop uh The Kinks they all

with Mo the hoop uh The Kinks they all liked them for a long time after the

liked them for a long time after the

liked them for a long time after the first album came out we we didn't go

first album came out we we didn't go

first album came out we we didn't go home it was constant true

home it was constant true

home it was constant true it was one tour after another that year

it was one tour after another that year

it was one tour after another that year that first year I believe we it was 248

that first year I believe we it was 248

that first year I believe we it was 248 gigs that we played touring we just

gigs that we played touring we just

gigs that we played touring we just lived on the road when you're playing

lived on the road when you're playing

lived on the road when you're playing that many gigs you can't help but get

that many gigs you can't help but get

that many gigs you can't help but get tighter we got to be better players be

tighter we got to be better players be

tighter we got to be better players be better players together the baptism of

better players together the baptism of

better players together the baptism of fire if you will we we got dipped into

fire if you will we we got dipped into

fire if you will we we got dipped into that and uh it was what we had wanted

that and uh it was what we had wanted

that and uh it was what we had wanted exactly what we had wanted and we were

exactly what we had wanted and we were

exactly what we had wanted and we were we were just uh living on the road

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[Music]

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what changed my life about Kansas was

what changed my life about Kansas was

what changed my life about Kansas was one it's

one it's

one it's Sam and what killed me about Kansas I

Sam and what killed me about Kansas I

Sam and what killed me about Kansas I gave back and told my guys just all my

gave back and told my guys just all my

gave back and told my guys just all my friends I said I'm not sure what I just

friends I said I'm not sure what I just

friends I said I'm not sure what I just saw but I know I watched a

saw but I know I watched a

saw but I know I watched a drummer playing actual

drummer playing actual

drummer playing actual notes not just beats and to say I was in

notes not just beats and to say I was in

notes not just beats and to say I was in the nose bed

the nose bed

the nose bed seats the good seats were the nose

seats the good seats were the nose

seats the good seats were the nose bleach seats where we were you know we

bleach seats where we were you know we

bleach seats where we were you know we were past the nose bleach seats and

were past the nose bleach seats and

were past the nose bleach seats and these guys reached out and just grabbed

these guys reached out and just grabbed

these guys reached out and just grabbed my soul and brought me in and said so

my soul and brought me in and said so

my soul and brought me in and said so you really thinking about doing this

you really thinking about doing this

you really thinking about doing this two began together de as

two began together de as

two began together de as one each one to the other had

one each one to the other had

one each one to the other had become

become

become [Music]

[Music]

[Music] all

all

all and after watching Kansas she come back

and after watching Kansas she come back

and after watching Kansas she come back and you go hell

and you go hell

and you go hell [Music]

[Music]

[Music] yeah we had this opportunity to open for

yeah we had this opportunity to open for

yeah we had this opportunity to open for this band that we had kind of heard of

this band that we had kind of heard of

this band that we had kind of heard of called Queen they were good that was one

called Queen they were good that was one

called Queen they were good that was one of the groups we played with I just sat

of the groups we played with I just sat

of the groups we played with I just sat there went I'm going to watch some

there went I'm going to watch some

there went I'm going to watch some tomorrow night thought they just you

tomorrow night thought they just you

tomorrow night thought they just you know blew us so away it was just oh my

know blew us so away it was just oh my

know blew us so away it was just oh my gosh what a band you know this is going

gosh what a band you know this is going

gosh what a band you know this is going to be great Kansas to me as I remember

to be great Kansas to me as I remember

to be great Kansas to me as I remember were a very complete entity the first

were a very complete entity the first

were a very complete entity the first time I saw them they were tight as hell

time I saw them they were tight as hell

time I saw them they were tight as hell you know they were just so well

you know they were just so well

you know they were just so well rehearsed I can remember sitting with

rehearsed I can remember sitting with

rehearsed I can remember sitting with Freddy watching them do their sound

Freddy watching them do their sound

Freddy watching them do their sound check and thinking these guys can

check and thinking these guys can

check and thinking these guys can really singing or they sound like

really singing or they sound like

really singing or they sound like they're a record can I tell you

they're a record can I tell you

they're a record can I tell you something to tell you one thing if you

something to tell you one thing if you

something to tell you one thing if you expect the freedom that you say is yours

expect the freedom that you say is yours

expect the freedom that you say is yours prove that you deserve it help us to

prove that you deserve it help us to

prove that you deserve it help us to preserve it or being free will just be

preserve it or being free will just be

preserve it or being free will just be once and nothing

once and nothing

once and nothing more one of the biggest things for the

more one of the biggest things for the

more one of the biggest things for the band as far as promotion was Don

band as far as promotion was Don

band as far as promotion was Don kushner's Rock concert the show that he

kushner's Rock concert the show that he

kushner's Rock concert the show that he had at that time which was watched by

had at that time which was watched by

had at that time which was watched by everybody all over the country Don

everybody all over the country Don

everybody all over the country Don kersner was responsible for me

kersner was responsible for me

kersner was responsible for me discovering Kansas I think it was on Don

discovering Kansas I think it was on Don

discovering Kansas I think it was on Don kushner's Rock concert and I liked him

kushner's Rock concert and I liked him

kushner's Rock concert and I liked him immediately it's dude Rock and we were

immediately it's dude Rock and we were

immediately it's dude Rock and we were young clueless dudes who loved it when

young clueless dudes who loved it when

young clueless dudes who loved it when you saw it on TV it sounded like 10,000

you saw it on TV it sounded like 10,000

you saw it on TV it sounded like 10,000 people going crazy for you but it wasn't

people going crazy for you but it wasn't

people going crazy for you but it wasn't anything like that there was nobody

anything like that there was nobody

anything like that there was nobody there there was supposed to be an

there there was supposed to be an

there there was supposed to be an audience and was just there's some

audience and was just there's some

audience and was just there's some chairs and a few like homeless people

chairs and a few like homeless people

chairs and a few like homeless people you know that kind of let in and of

you know that kind of let in and of

you know that kind of let in and of course they dubb in all the all the

course they dubb in all the all the

course they dubb in all the all the Applause and there was nobody there I

Applause and there was nobody there I

Applause and there was nobody there I don't think they ever panned out at the

don't think they ever panned out at the

don't think they ever panned out at the crowd and if they did it wasn't our

crowd and if they did it wasn't our

crowd and if they did it wasn't our crowd I watched

crowd I watched

crowd I watched religiously Don Kisner's Rock concert

religiously Don Kisner's Rock concert

religiously Don Kisner's Rock concert and they came on I think they played

and they came on I think they played

and they came on I think they played canot tell and I was just blown away I

canot tell and I was just blown away I

canot tell and I was just blown away I thought it was amazing I called my

thought it was amazing I called my

thought it was amazing I called my friends we all watch it we all liked it

friends we all watch it we all liked it

friends we all watch it we all liked it we all loved it and we were super prag

we all loved it and we were super prag

we all loved it and we were super prag heads was kind of before the punk rock

heads was kind of before the punk rock

heads was kind of before the punk rock thing and all that stuff and it was like

thing and all that stuff and it was like

thing and all that stuff and it was like the only American band that we even

the only American band that we even

the only American band that we even remotely thought was good we thought

remotely thought was good we thought

remotely thought was good we thought they were great and we played

they were great and we played

they were great and we played and just just killed

and just just killed

and just just killed [Applause]

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it by the time we got to the second

it by the time we got to the second

it by the time we got to the second album song for America number one my

album song for America number one my

album song for America number one my writing became much more

writing became much more

writing became much more refined much more focused I I I had this

refined much more focused I I I had this

refined much more focused I I I had this vision of what I wanted the band to

vision of what I wanted the band to

vision of what I wanted the band to sound like and uh it was a it was a

sound like and uh it was a it was a

sound like and uh it was a it was a Grand Vision it was a

Grand Vision it was a

Grand Vision it was a big that pretty well sums it up Kansas

big that pretty well sums it up Kansas

big that pretty well sums it up Kansas sounded huge sounded kind of um sort of

sounded huge sounded kind of um sort of

sounded huge sounded kind of um sort of classical I suppose you know because

classical I suppose you know because

classical I suppose you know because there was so much structure in there and

there was so much structure in there and

there was so much structure in there and it was very polyphonic you know there

it was very polyphonic you know there

it was very polyphonic you know there are many many Ls going on when I heard

are many many Ls going on when I heard

are many many Ls going on when I heard song for America it sounded so

song for America it sounded so

song for America it sounded so complicated to me and so difficult and I

complicated to me and so difficult and I

complicated to me and so difficult and I could hear everything I was think must

could hear everything I was think must

could hear everything I was think must taking a year to do this but it only

taking a year to do this but it only

taking a year to do this but it only it's only been N9 or 10 months I mean I

it's only been N9 or 10 months I mean I

it's only been N9 or 10 months I mean I had it that work i' been on the road and

had it that work i' been on the road and

had it that work i' been on the road and as a writer now you have a you know you

as a writer now you have a you know you

as a writer now you have a you know you get an idea you put on tape well I'm

get an idea you put on tape well I'm

get an idea you put on tape well I'm going to add this back then it was all

going to add this back then it was all

going to add this back then it was all really you know the Carri would come up

really you know the Carri would come up

really you know the Carri would come up with songs sometimes there so many

with songs sometimes there so many

with songs sometimes there so many amazing Parts Carrie would sit with me

amazing Parts Carrie would sit with me

amazing Parts Carrie would sit with me and Phil and we' learn the basics and

and Phil and we' learn the basics and

and Phil and we' learn the basics and then he take rich and him and and Robbie

then he take rich and him and and Robbie

then he take rich and him and and Robbie and work out the top Parts Carrie wrote

and work out the top Parts Carrie wrote

and work out the top Parts Carrie wrote a lot of songs that uh that were

a lot of songs that uh that were

a lot of songs that uh that were rebellious in a way I mean song for

rebellious in a way I mean song for

rebellious in a way I mean song for America is is all about

America is is all about

America is is all about environmentalism it's all about you know

environmentalism it's all about you know

environmentalism it's all about you know what what are we doing to the the planet

what what are we doing to the the planet

what what are we doing to the the planet I wrote the lyrics to that song as we

I wrote the lyrics to that song as we

I wrote the lyrics to that song as we were flying out to LA looking at the

were flying out to LA looking at the

were flying out to LA looking at the window of the plane and thinking about

window of the plane and thinking about

window of the plane and thinking about America and its history and all the

America and its history and all the

America and its history and all the stuff that had passed by and all the

stuff that had passed by and all the

stuff that had passed by and all the stuff through the years and I finished

stuff through the years and I finished

stuff through the years and I finished it just before we recorded we named the

it just before we recorded we named the

it just before we recorded we named the album after the song I mean that's that

album after the song I mean that's that

album after the song I mean that's that kind of tells you something about

kind of tells you something about

kind of tells you something about it scen dark St play through all life B

it scen dark St play through all life B

it scen dark St play through all life B Sun Valley

Fields making the second album was great

Fields making the second album was great

Fields making the second album was great great because Don kerser said well where

great because Don kerser said well where

great because Don kerser said well where do you guys want to go they had

do you guys want to go they had

do you guys want to go they had previously worked in New York City at

previously worked in New York City at

previously worked in New York City at the record plant we were at the time

the record plant we were at the time

the record plant we were at the time really concerned with the vocals and

really concerned with the vocals and

really concerned with the vocals and they felt like in the first album that

they felt like in the first album that

they felt like in the first album that some of the vocal qualities and things

some of the vocal qualities and things

some of the vocal qualities and things didn't come out and we all loved the way

didn't come out and we all loved the way

didn't come out and we all loved the way Crosby Stills and nashon Young's records

Crosby Stills and nashon Young's records

Crosby Stills and nashon Young's records sounded we looked on the back it said

sounded we looked on the back it said

sounded we looked on the back it said Wally Haider

Wally Haider

Wally Haider La we went out there and was La

La we went out there and was La

La we went out there and was La Wonderland of the 70s and we stayed at

Wonderland of the 70s and we stayed at

Wonderland of the 70s and we stayed at the Continental h house and live The

the Continental h house and live The

the Continental h house and live The Rock and Roll Lifestyle out there while

Rock and Roll Lifestyle out there while

Rock and Roll Lifestyle out there while we were making

we were making

we were making [Music]

[Music]

[Music] it by this time we had been through the

it by this time we had been through the

it by this time we had been through the studio experience we knew much more of

studio experience we knew much more of

studio experience we knew much more of what we wanted to

what we wanted to

what we wanted to do Don kersner came out to Los Angeles

do Don kersner came out to Los Angeles

do Don kersner came out to Los Angeles during the recording of song for America

during the recording of song for America

during the recording of song for America and took us all out to dinner he just

and took us all out to dinner he just

and took us all out to dinner he just said guys I I I want to try to impress

said guys I I I want to try to impress

said guys I I I want to try to impress upon you in the music business uh he

upon you in the music business uh he

upon you in the music business uh he said I've made my fortune off of hit

said I've made my fortune off of hit

said I've made my fortune off of hit records and he said I love you guys he

records and he said I love you guys he

records and he said I love you guys he always said that every every time we saw

always said that every every time we saw

always said that every every time we saw Don kersner he told us how much he loved

Don kersner he told us how much he loved

Don kersner he told us how much he loved us he said I love you guys but I'm

us he said I love you guys but I'm

us he said I love you guys but I'm spending a ton of money and I I need a

spending a ton of money and I I need a

spending a ton of money and I I need a hit I don't think they were fans of the

hit I don't think they were fans of the

hit I don't think they were fans of the big monster CBS building cuz we kept

big monster CBS building cuz we kept

big monster CBS building cuz we kept saying singles singles singles obviously

saying singles singles singles obviously

saying singles singles singles obviously we all wanted to be a commercial

we all wanted to be a commercial

we all wanted to be a commercial success but I don't remember Carrie or

success but I don't remember Carrie or

success but I don't remember Carrie or or me either one of us

or me either one of us

or me either one of us thinking we had to sit down and write a

thinking we had to sit down and write a

thinking we had to sit down and write a single we're growing but kersner still

single we're growing but kersner still

single we're growing but kersner still still bleeding money big time now we're

still bleeding money big time now we're

still bleeding money big time now we're starting to get close to him almost a

starting to get close to him almost a

starting to get close to him almost a million dollar down yeah Donnie

million dollar down yeah Donnie

million dollar down yeah Donnie supported him the way artists needed to

supported him the way artists needed to

supported him the way artists needed to be supported you had tour support in

be supported you had tour support in

be supported you had tour support in those days marketing a word that still

those days marketing a word that still

those days marketing a word that still is the most important thing you can do

is the most important thing you can do

is the most important thing you can do in the music business and he believed in

in the music business and he believed in

in the music business and he believed in them and that's what's wrong with the

them and that's what's wrong with the

them and that's what's wrong with the business right now today if you believe

business right now today if you believe

business right now today if you believe in it support it financially support it

in it support it financially support it

in it support it financially support it go after it and try and make it happen

go after it and try and make it happen

go after it and try and make it happen Don kersner is a man who obviously

Don kersner is a man who obviously

Don kersner is a man who obviously defines the brill building era and a key

defines the brill building era and a key

defines the brill building era and a key figure but with all due respect this was

figure but with all due respect this was

figure but with all due respect this was a guy who thought the monkeys were

a guy who thought the monkeys were

a guy who thought the monkeys were getting too Progressive and yet Kansas

getting too Progressive and yet Kansas

getting too Progressive and yet Kansas within his label and his framework were

within his label and his framework were

within his label and his framework were able to push boundaries we got a lot of

able to push boundaries we got a lot of

able to push boundaries we got a lot of college AirPlay in those days there were

college AirPlay in those days there were

college AirPlay in those days there were lots of college stations that could play

lots of college stations that could play

lots of college stations that could play a 10minute track like song for America

a 10minute track like song for America

a 10minute track like song for America and they did when that album was

and they did when that album was

and they did when that album was released we had all the fan base that

released we had all the fan base that

released we had all the fan base that the first album had done more

the first album had done more

the first album had done more importantly all the touring fan base of

importantly all the touring fan base of

importantly all the touring fan base of the people who didn't even know who we

the people who didn't even know who we

the people who didn't even know who we were now it's 1975 and we're touring

were now it's 1975 and we're touring

were now it's 1975 and we're touring like Mad Men I mean we are never home

like Mad Men I mean we are never home

like Mad Men I mean we are never home we're doing like probably 270 280 dates

we're doing like probably 270 280 dates

we're doing like probably 270 280 dates we're out there non-stop if we're not

we're out there non-stop if we're not

we're out there non-stop if we're not opening for somebody we're headlining a

opening for somebody we're headlining a

opening for somebody we're headlining a club once again and we were beating the

club once again and we were beating the

club once again and we were beating the road to death do an album do a tour do

road to death do an album do a tour do

road to death do an album do a tour do an album do a tour everybody from

an album do a tour everybody from

an album do a tour everybody from Chicago to zezy

Chicago to zezy

Chicago to zezy top one of the things that's interesting

top one of the things that's interesting

top one of the things that's interesting about looking back as we are since this

about looking back as we are since this

about looking back as we are since this is a lot of looking back is to think

is a lot of looking back is to think

is a lot of looking back is to think about the funny things that happened to

about the funny things that happened to

about the funny things that happened to us on the road one thing that we has

us on the road one thing that we has

us on the road one thing that we has always really stuck out to us is the

always really stuck out to us is the

always really stuck out to us is the respect or lack of respect that we got

respect or lack of respect that we got

respect or lack of respect that we got from our peers the other bands that we

from our peers the other bands that we

from our peers the other bands that we worked with I don't want to include the

worked with I don't want to include the

worked with I don't want to include the band in this but there was one

band in this but there was one

band in this but there was one particular person named Mr Steven Tyler

particular person named Mr Steven Tyler

particular person named Mr Steven Tyler who by the way we think is a great

who by the way we think is a great

who by the way we think is a great singer and a great performer at the time

singer and a great performer at the time

singer and a great performer at the time Steven did not appreciate opening bands

Steven did not appreciate opening bands

Steven did not appreciate opening bands doing better than Aerosmith we knew that

doing better than Aerosmith we knew that

doing better than Aerosmith we knew that he personally had a history of pulling

he personally had a history of pulling

he personally had a history of pulling the plug on on opening acts if they were

the plug on on opening acts if they were

the plug on on opening acts if they were going over too good or they were going

going over too good or they were going

going over too good or they were going too long watch out for Steven Tyler he

too long watch out for Steven Tyler he

too long watch out for Steven Tyler he will try to sabotage your gig but our

will try to sabotage your gig but our

will try to sabotage your gig but our production manager Jerry G called me out

production manager Jerry G called me out

production manager Jerry G called me out on the stage and he said just so this

on the stage and he said just so this

on the stage and he said just so this doesn't happen I've run all our power to

doesn't happen I've run all our power to

doesn't happen I've run all our power to another side of the stage all those

another side of the stage all those

another side of the stage all those extension cords are dummies Steven Tyler

extension cords are dummies Steven Tyler

extension cords are dummies Steven Tyler didn't know where the AC with the

didn't know where the AC with the

didn't know where the AC with the electricity was actually coming from so

electricity was actually coming from so

electricity was actually coming from so if he comes out and tries to unplug us

if he comes out and tries to unplug us

if he comes out and tries to unplug us he's not going to be able to do it and

he's not going to be able to do it and

he's not going to be able to do it and when we got to Witchita

when we got to Witchita

when we got to Witchita Kansas we were in Kansas and the crowd

Kansas we were in Kansas and the crowd

Kansas we were in Kansas and the crowd just erupted you know it was our our

just erupted you know it was our our

just erupted you know it was our our hometown crowd it was a great gig it was

hometown crowd it was a great gig it was

hometown crowd it was a great gig it was going really well um we were done with

going really well um we were done with

going really well um we were done with our set and they wanted us back for an

our set and they wanted us back for an

our set and they wanted us back for an encore so I'm up there playing and we're

encore so I'm up there playing and we're

encore so I'm up there playing and we're doing an encore and we're in Witchita

doing an encore and we're in Witchita

doing an encore and we're in Witchita Kansas and we are named Kansas and we're

Kansas and we are named Kansas and we're

Kansas and we are named Kansas and we're killing and Steven Tyler was standing

killing and Steven Tyler was standing

killing and Steven Tyler was standing off the to the side with his Road

off the to the side with his Road

off the to the side with his Road manager just pacing back and forth and

manager just pacing back and forth and

manager just pacing back and forth and all of a sudden I look over during

all of a sudden I look over during

all of a sudden I look over during Encore and he's standing on the side of

Encore and he's standing on the side of

Encore and he's standing on the side of the stage and he's having a

the stage and he's having a

the stage and he's having a tantrum and then we got a second Encore

tantrum and then we got a second Encore

tantrum and then we got a second Encore and when he realized that the song

and when he realized that the song

and when he realized that the song wasn't ending he got really mad I don't

wasn't ending he got really mad I don't

wasn't ending he got really mad I don't know what Steve Steven Tyler's like as a

know what Steve Steven Tyler's like as a

know what Steve Steven Tyler's like as a person but on that night it was not

person but on that night it was not

person but on that night it was not pretty he went over and he started

pretty he went over and he started

pretty he went over and he started pulling plugs out of the out of the wall

pulling plugs out of the out of the wall

pulling plugs out of the out of the wall he was out of control completely we had

he was out of control completely we had

he was out of control completely we had no qualms about keeping going because we

no qualms about keeping going because we

no qualms about keeping going because we knew that what he was unplugging was

knew that what he was unplugging was

knew that what he was unplugging was literally nothing in rock and roll you

literally nothing in rock and roll you

literally nothing in rock and roll you know it's hard to imagine a worse sin

know it's hard to imagine a worse sin

know it's hard to imagine a worse sin than that a a a band member of One band

than that a a a band member of One band

than that a a a band member of One band unplugging the other one well Dave hope

unplugging the other one well Dave hope

unplugging the other one well Dave hope our BAS player was a big guy as most of

our BAS player was a big guy as most of

our BAS player was a big guy as most of the guys are in our band I wasn't quite

the guys are in our band I wasn't quite

the guys are in our band I wasn't quite as classy then as I am now I put down my

as classy then as I am now I put down my

as classy then as I am now I put down my Bas and I took after his butt and I

Bas and I took after his butt and I

Bas and I took after his butt and I remember looking out the dressing room

remember looking out the dressing room

remember looking out the dressing room and there was Dave hope standing Toe to

and there was Dave hope standing Toe to

and there was Dave hope standing Toe to Toe with Stephen Tyler basically reading

Toe with Stephen Tyler basically reading

Toe with Stephen Tyler basically reading him the riot act the other guys in Errol

him the riot act the other guys in Errol

him the riot act the other guys in Errol Smith came out and said we apologize for

Smith came out and said we apologize for

Smith came out and said we apologize for him Steven's a very sensitive guy Steven

him Steven's a very sensitive guy Steven

him Steven's a very sensitive guy Steven who we who we played with later on I

who we who we played with later on I

who we who we played with later on I mean had a clear understanding that in

mean had a clear understanding that in

mean had a clear understanding that in in no way was that ever going to happen

in no way was that ever going to happen

in no way was that ever going to happen again and it and it

again and it and it

again and it and it didn't we were in dire need of

didn't we were in dire need of

didn't we were in dire need of management and Bud was always there when

management and Bud was always there when

management and Bud was always there when I started with them as a manager it was

I started with them as a manager it was

I started with them as a manager it was the the second album song for America

the the second album song for America

the the second album song for America and took the experience that i' had as

and took the experience that i' had as

and took the experience that i' had as an agent working with managers and and

an agent working with managers and and

an agent working with managers and and started to try and learn I mean I knew

started to try and learn I mean I knew

started to try and learn I mean I knew what good managers didn't and I knew

what good managers didn't and I knew

what good managers didn't and I knew what bad managers didn't do now we've

what bad managers didn't do now we've

what bad managers didn't do now we've got a guy on our team that is is giving

got a guy on our team that is is giving

got a guy on our team that is is giving us the opportunity to do what we do

us the opportunity to do what we do

us the opportunity to do what we do while he is in the trenches just kicking

while he is in the trenches just kicking

while he is in the trenches just kicking butt he really believed in us and

butt he really believed in us and

butt he really believed in us and spearheaded our whole career from then

spearheaded our whole career from then

spearheaded our whole career from then on keep building building building the

on keep building building building the

on keep building building building the momentum Kansas is one of the most

momentum Kansas is one of the most

momentum Kansas is one of the most respected new musical groups in America

respected new musical groups in America

respected new musical groups in America and their records are produced by Jeff

and their records are produced by Jeff

and their records are produced by Jeff Glickman here are the members of Kansas

Glickman here are the members of Kansas

Glickman here are the members of Kansas car livgren in addition to playing

car livgren in addition to playing

car livgren in addition to playing leading rhythm guitar piano organ and

leading rhythm guitar piano organ and

leading rhythm guitar piano organ and synthesizer composes much of what the

synthesizer composes much of what the

synthesizer composes much of what the group performs and adds his voice to

group performs and adds his voice to

group performs and adds his voice to some of the harmony vocal Parts Dave

some of the harmony vocal Parts Dave

some of the harmony vocal Parts Dave Hope plays the bass for Kansas and lends

Hope plays the bass for Kansas and lends

Hope plays the bass for Kansas and lends his voice to some of the harmonies and

his voice to some of the harmonies and

his voice to some of the harmonies and some of the groups Arrangements Phil

some of the groups Arrangements Phil

some of the groups Arrangements Phil aart started playing drums in the second

aart started playing drums in the second

aart started playing drums in the second grade in Corville Kansas where he was

grade in Corville Kansas where he was

grade in Corville Kansas where he was born he got a chance to see the world

born he got a chance to see the world

born he got a chance to see the world early on in life and picked up

early on in life and picked up

early on in life and picked up experience playing with groups in

experience playing with groups in

experience playing with groups in England Robbie steinhardt has been

England Robbie steinhardt has been

England Robbie steinhardt has been studying violin for 15 years and his

studying violin for 15 years and his

studying violin for 15 years and his classical training serves him well in

classical training serves him well in

classical training serves him well in his intense and driving solos Robbie

his intense and driving solos Robbie

his intense and driving solos Robbie also shares the lead vocal ches Rich

also shares the lead vocal ches Rich

also shares the lead vocal ches Rich Williams employs solid music ship his

Williams employs solid music ship his

Williams employs solid music ship his size big his hair very red and his

size big his hair very red and his

size big his hair very red and his unbearing style of dress overalls is no

unbearing style of dress overalls is no

unbearing style of dress overalls is no small factor in the total sound and look

small factor in the total sound and look

small factor in the total sound and look of the band Steve Walsh he walked into a

of the band Steve Walsh he walked into a

of the band Steve Walsh he walked into a Kansas rehearsal and said I want to

Kansas rehearsal and said I want to

Kansas rehearsal and said I want to audition for your band his perfect

audition for your band his perfect

audition for your band his perfect intonation incredible range and depth of

intonation incredible range and depth of

intonation incredible range and depth of feeling got him a gig on his spot that's

feeling got him a gig on his spot that's

feeling got him a gig on his spot that's Kansas six musicians whose lives are

Kansas six musicians whose lives are

Kansas six musicians whose lives are wrapped up in the music they compose

wrapped up in the music they compose

wrapped up in the music they compose arrange and

arrange and

arrange and [Music]

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[Music] play

play

play I will rise and stay to me the

I will rise and stay to me the

I will rise and stay to me the door so

door so

door so high so

high so

high so high I climb the mountains of the

high I climb the mountains of the

high I climb the mountains of the [Music]

[Music]

[Music] sky without my wi to know I should

sky without my wi to know I should

sky without my wi to know I should be I found my freedom

be I found my freedom

be I found my freedom High I the mountains so

we came home just long enough for Carrie

we came home just long enough for Carrie

we came home just long enough for Carrie and Steve to write mask when it came

and Steve to write mask when it came

and Steve to write mask when it came time for the third album we had kind of

time for the third album we had kind of

time for the third album we had kind of a minor crisis in the band we Steve and

a minor crisis in the band we Steve and

a minor crisis in the band we Steve and I kind of did this with the chaos and

I kind of did this with the chaos and

I kind of did this with the chaos and the pressure and the relationship of

the pressure and the relationship of

the pressure and the relationship of that you have with your song it's like

that you have with your song it's like

that you have with your song it's like your baby so whenever he would bring in

your baby so whenever he would bring in

your baby so whenever he would bring in a song a whole song and I would try to

a song a whole song and I would try to

a song a whole song and I would try to say well what do you think if if this

say well what do you think if if this

say well what do you think if if this came about or that came about I think

came about or that came about I think

came about or that came about I think both of us kind of uh had the same uh

both of us kind of uh had the same uh

both of us kind of uh had the same uh feeling about hey you know this is this

feeling about hey you know this is this

feeling about hey you know this is this is something that I've worked out for a

is something that I've worked out for a

is something that I've worked out for a while I want to hear it this way and

while I want to hear it this way and

while I want to hear it this way and Steve went more for just rock and roll

Steve went more for just rock and roll

Steve went more for just rock and roll and I got more

and I got more

and I got more Progressive more of the the classical if

Progressive more of the the classical if

Progressive more of the the classical if you will kind of a competition really

you will kind of a competition really

you will kind of a competition really for a while with Carrie and I writing

for a while with Carrie and I writing

for a while with Carrie and I writing songs a lot of the songs I wrote for for

songs a lot of the songs I wrote for for

songs a lot of the songs I wrote for for Kansas they were really written for the

Kansas they were really written for the

Kansas they were really written for the wrong reason a few of them were

wrong reason a few of them were

wrong reason a few of them were heartfelt and a few of them I'm proud of

heartfelt and a few of them I'm proud of

heartfelt and a few of them I'm proud of but not very many it was car's songs

but not very many it was car's songs

but not very many it was car's songs that really came through as the

that really came through as the

that really came through as the fingerprint for the band so we're coming

fingerprint for the band so we're coming

fingerprint for the band so we're coming up with all these songs they're sounding

up with all these songs they're sounding

up with all these songs they're sounding great and we're just we're hitting it

great and we're just we're hitting it

great and we're just we're hitting it really hard and Jeff glixman walks in he

really hard and Jeff glixman walks in he

really hard and Jeff glixman walks in he said I got a place we can go

said I got a place we can go

said I got a place we can go record so we're thinking La New York he

record so we're thinking La New York he

record so we're thinking La New York he said Bal Louisiana I thought it would be

said Bal Louisiana I thought it would be

said Bal Louisiana I thought it would be a good place to continue our us against

a good place to continue our us against

a good place to continue our us against the world we're just a bunch of

the world we're just a bunch of

the world we're just a bunch of long-haired guys from Kansas uh kind of

long-haired guys from Kansas uh kind of

long-haired guys from Kansas uh kind of mentality and get down to work so we

mentality and get down to work so we

mentality and get down to work so we headed to New Orleans to record mask and

headed to New Orleans to record mask and

headed to New Orleans to record mask and even though we were kind of country boys

even though we were kind of country boys

even though we were kind of country boys we' never really been in this kind of

we' never really been in this kind of

we' never really been in this kind of country so when it said studio in the

country so when it said studio in the

country so when it said studio in the country they were not kidding and we

country they were not kidding and we

country they were not kidding and we really were way out in the middle of

really were way out in the middle of

really were way out in the middle of nowhere God it was deafening hearing

nowhere God it was deafening hearing

nowhere God it was deafening hearing these uh bugs ch and and uh mosquito is

these uh bugs ch and and uh mosquito is

these uh bugs ch and and uh mosquito is the the size of of your your your whole

the the size of of your your your whole

the the size of of your your your whole Palm you were truly in the bio recording

Palm you were truly in the bio recording

Palm you were truly in the bio recording in baloa at Studio in the country was

in baloa at Studio in the country was

in baloa at Studio in the country was one of the best experiences in my whole

one of the best experiences in my whole

one of the best experiences in my whole career because of the studio the quality

career because of the studio the quality

career because of the studio the quality of that studio was above all

of that studio was above all

of that studio was above all state-of-the-art the finest control room

state-of-the-art the finest control room

state-of-the-art the finest control room I've ever been in personally we found

I've ever been in personally we found

I've ever been in personally we found something that worked was going

something that worked was going

something that worked was going somewhere for the gear for the location

somewhere for the gear for the location

somewhere for the gear for the location for the

for the

for the isolation rather than because it's close

isolation rather than because it's close

isolation rather than because it's close to a lot of great restaurants no

to a lot of great restaurants no

to a lot of great restaurants no distractions everyone was very nice very

distractions everyone was very nice very

distractions everyone was very nice very attentive to the band we had it 24 hours

attentive to the band we had it 24 hours

attentive to the band we had it 24 hours a

a

a [Music]

day on the wings of

day on the wings of

day on the wings of dawn here I live and die with my wings

dawn here I live and die with my wings

dawn here I live and die with my wings in the sky and I I won't come down no

in the sky and I I won't come down no

in the sky and I I won't come down no more

then the album came out and it was

then the album came out and it was

then the album came out and it was really it was more of the same the album

really it was more of the same the album

really it was more of the same the album sales at that point were a couple

sales at that point were a couple

sales at that point were a couple hundred, albums that's pretty good U but

hundred, albums that's pretty good U but

hundred, albums that's pretty good U but still no magic there wasn't a real good

still no magic there wasn't a real good

still no magic there wasn't a real good record company reaction but there wasn't

record company reaction but there wasn't

record company reaction but there wasn't like a negative reaction like like oh

like a negative reaction like like oh

like a negative reaction like like oh man we don't like the band it was more

man we don't like the band it was more

man we don't like the band it was more like we know these guys are going to

like we know these guys are going to

like we know these guys are going to develop a 95 mph slider that no

develop a 95 mph slider that no

develop a 95 mph slider that no left-hander in the world can hit but

left-hander in the world can hit but

left-hander in the world can hit but it's just not there yet we were one rung

it's just not there yet we were one rung

it's just not there yet we were one rung further up a little bit better touring a

further up a little bit better touring a

further up a little bit better touring a little bit better more people were

little bit better more people were

little bit better more people were starting to recognize Kansas they

starting to recognize Kansas they

starting to recognize Kansas they weren't all the all the time shouting

weren't all the all the time shouting

weren't all the all the time shouting queen

queen

queen queen I stood no man

queen I stood no man

queen I stood no man [Music]

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[Music] go

Dem with glory and

Dem with glory and

Dem with glory and passion no longer in fashion Theo

passion no longer in fashion Theo

passion no longer in fashion Theo breaks mask had just come out we

breaks mask had just come out we

breaks mask had just come out we freaking love that album and for

freaking love that album and for

freaking love that album and for whatever reason may have been the cover

whatever reason may have been the cover

whatever reason may have been the cover or we I think I just seen them for the

or we I think I just seen them for the

or we I think I just seen them for the first time at the fox in Atlanta and it

first time at the fox in Atlanta and it

first time at the fox in Atlanta and it was Queen and Kansas opening and we were

was Queen and Kansas opening and we were

was Queen and Kansas opening and we were my buddies and I we we you know we got

my buddies and I we we you know we got

my buddies and I we we you know we got tickets early we're sitting about the

tickets early we're sitting about the

tickets early we're sitting about the 12th row and we were so stoked and it

12th row and we were so stoked and it

12th row and we were so stoked and it was great it was awesome we knew all the

was great it was awesome we knew all the

was great it was awesome we knew all the Kansas songs and the crowd dug it it was

Kansas songs and the crowd dug it it was

Kansas songs and the crowd dug it it was big I mean they they went over big

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] they were beginning to appreciate us for

they were beginning to appreciate us for

they were beginning to appreciate us for who we

who we

who we were but we really needed that hit

were but we really needed that hit

were but we really needed that hit single as much as I hated to admit

single as much as I hated to admit

single as much as I hated to admit that we needed that to put us over the

that we needed that to put us over the

that we needed that to put us over the top kersner still still bleeding money

top kersner still still bleeding money

top kersner still still bleeding money big time and uh bless his heart he hung

big time and uh bless his heart he hung

big time and uh bless his heart he hung in there with us and uh he said let's go

in there with us and uh he said let's go

in there with us and uh he said let's go with another record I call left Overture

with another record I call left Overture

with another record I call left Overture the pressure album and that pressure

the pressure album and that pressure

the pressure album and that pressure fell on me it didn't fall on the band

fell on me it didn't fall on the band

fell on me it didn't fall on the band necessarily it it should have really but

necessarily it it should have really but

necessarily it it should have really but it it but the reason it fell on me for

it it but the reason it fell on me for

it it but the reason it fell on me for some reason Steve just dried up as a

some reason Steve just dried up as a

some reason Steve just dried up as a writer we came to that first rehearsal

writer we came to that first rehearsal

writer we came to that first rehearsal and we said hey Steve what do you got

and we said hey Steve what do you got

and we said hey Steve what do you got says I haven't got

says I haven't got

says I haven't got anything what you don't have any songs

anything what you don't have any songs

anything what you don't have any songs and I've I've got two we got what are we

and I've I've got two we got what are we

and I've I've got two we got what are we going to

going to

going to do so I went home that night after

do so I went home that night after

do so I went home that night after learning the first two songs and I had

learning the first two songs and I had

learning the first two songs and I had to write the third song so I wrote it

to write the third song so I wrote it

to write the third song so I wrote it and came to rehearsal the next day and

and came to rehearsal the next day and

and came to rehearsal the next day and we learned the third one let's learn

we learned the third one let's learn

we learned the third one let's learn this part then take about an hour to

this part then take about an hour to

this part then take about an hour to just show a segment of about 2 minutes

just show a segment of about 2 minutes

just show a segment of about 2 minutes and we go is that the beginning or or

and we go is that the beginning or or

and we go is that the beginning or or you know of a song is that what song you

you know of a song is that what song you

you know of a song is that what song you write he goes I don't know it just came

write he goes I don't know it just came

write he goes I don't know it just came to me last night that's very deep to uh

to me last night that's very deep to uh

to me last night that's very deep to uh have a an outline of so many parts in

have a an outline of so many parts in

have a an outline of so many parts in your

your

your head without the the means to actually

head without the the means to actually

head without the the means to actually transcribe them you know to write them

transcribe them you know to write them

transcribe them you know to write them down or to hear them sitting in during

down or to hear them sitting in during

down or to hear them sitting in during leftoverture and having him walk in

leftoverture and having him walk in

leftoverture and having him walk in every day it was so exciting cuz we just

every day it was so exciting cuz we just

every day it was so exciting cuz we just go this is going to be awesome Here

go this is going to be awesome Here

go this is going to be awesome Here Comes Carrie what's you got today you

Comes Carrie what's you got today you

Comes Carrie what's you got today you know oh there's a song I have called the

know oh there's a song I have called the

know oh there's a song I have called the wall God we're just going when did you

wall God we're just going when did you

wall God we're just going when did you write this well I kind of threw it

write this well I kind of threw it

write this well I kind of threw it together last night it's like

together last night it's like

together last night it's like seriously fanty I things I see the path

seriously fanty I things I see the path

seriously fanty I things I see the path that I have chosen now has led me to a

that I have chosen now has led me to a

that I have chosen now has led me to a wall and with each passing day I feel a

wall and with each passing day I feel a

wall and with each passing day I feel a little more like something dear was lost

little more like something dear was lost

little more like something dear was lost it rises now before me a dark and Silent

it rises now before me a dark and Silent

it rises now before me a dark and Silent barrier between a lot of times when you

barrier between a lot of times when you

barrier between a lot of times when you get into a Groove and you're riding and

get into a Groove and you're riding and

get into a Groove and you're riding and and there's pressure and you're hearing

and there's pressure and you're hearing

and there's pressure and you're hearing and being inspired a lot of times

and being inspired a lot of times

and being inspired a lot of times that'll bring out other stuff from you

that'll bring out other stuff from you

that'll bring out other stuff from you and that's the way it was with Carrie

and that's the way it was with Carrie

and that's the way it was with Carrie when he got on a role it was it was good

when he got on a role it was it was good

when he got on a role it was it was good the Lord came through he blessed me on

the Lord came through he blessed me on

the Lord came through he blessed me on that and I wrote song after song after

that and I wrote song after song after

that and I wrote song after song after Song Carrie was developing to the point

Song Carrie was developing to the point

Song Carrie was developing to the point that he was really becoming a master the

that he was really becoming a master the

that he was really becoming a master the songwriting craft they were starting to

songwriting craft they were starting to

songwriting craft they were starting to flow out of him I mean this thing's

flow out of him I mean this thing's

flow out of him I mean this thing's called Miracles out of nowhere to me one

called Miracles out of nowhere to me one

called Miracles out of nowhere to me one of the Miracles is car's Evolution as a

of the Miracles is car's Evolution as a

of the Miracles is car's Evolution as a songwriter you never sense this sense of

songwriter you never sense this sense of

songwriter you never sense this sense of musical genius which he truly was and is

musical genius which he truly was and is

musical genius which he truly was and is you just don't sense it because you're

you just don't sense it because you're

you just don't sense it because you're sitting there eating a

sitting there eating a

sitting there eating a hamburger here I am just waiting for a

hamburger here I am just waiting for a

hamburger here I am just waiting for a sign asking questions learning all the

sign asking questions learning all the

sign asking questions learning all the time it's always here it's always there

time it's always here it's always there

time it's always here it's always there it's just all the Miracles out of

it's just all the Miracles out of

it's just all the Miracles out of nowhere we've rehearsed left over we've

nowhere we've rehearsed left over we've

nowhere we've rehearsed left over we've got it all we've got all the songs done

got it all we've got all the songs done

got it all we've got all the songs done we're packing up our gear I mean I

we're packing up our gear I mean I

we're packing up our gear I mean I remember I was breaking down my drum set

remember I was breaking down my drum set

remember I was breaking down my drum set and he walks over and he goes hey man uh

and he walks over and he goes hey man uh

and he walks over and he goes hey man uh I've got another song then night before

I've got another song then night before

I've got another song then night before of the the last day of rehearsal I went

of the the last day of rehearsal I went

of the the last day of rehearsal I went home and I wrote the song called carry

home and I wrote the song called carry

home and I wrote the song called carry on my wered son I just sat down with a

on my wered son I just sat down with a

on my wered son I just sat down with a guitar and out it

guitar and out it

guitar and out it came and one note led to the next note

came and one note led to the next note

came and one note led to the next note we got down to the studio and Carrie

we got down to the studio and Carrie

we got down to the studio and Carrie presented that song and it was magic it

presented that song and it was magic it

presented that song and it was magic it was magic from the word go it just had a

was magic from the word go it just had a

was magic from the word go it just had a magical feel about it we knew something

magical feel about it we knew something

magical feel about it we knew something was different about this Al not only is

was different about this Al not only is

was different about this Al not only is it the miracle of him developing at the

it the miracle of him developing at the

it the miracle of him developing at the song as the songwriter that no one even

song as the songwriter that no one even

song as the songwriter that no one even knows where it's coming from but at the

knows where it's coming from but at the

knows where it's coming from but at the last minute he brings the first Breakout

last minute he brings the first Breakout

last minute he brings the first Breakout song that we've been

song that we've been

song that we've been needing I've never known how that

needing I've never known how that

needing I've never known how that happened it it just beams in waywards

happened it it just beams in waywards

happened it it just beams in waywards son was was special it was you know was

son was was special it was you know was

son was was special it was you know was very unique and it brought all of the

very unique and it brought all of the

very unique and it brought all of the elements

elements

elements in that we needed and we sat back and

in that we needed and we sat back and

in that we needed and we sat back and listened to that

listened to that

listened to that first chorus and we look just looked at

first chorus and we look just looked at

first chorus and we look just looked at each other thought this is this is

each other thought this is this is

each other thought this is this is another order of magnitude of everything

another order of magnitude of everything

another order of magnitude of everything we've ever ever

we've ever ever

we've ever ever [Music]

[Music]

[Music] had

C so I called Don Kushner cranked the

C so I called Don Kushner cranked the

C so I called Don Kushner cranked the thing up opened the telephone play him

thing up opened the telephone play him

thing up opened the telephone play him about the opening of the song and and I

about the opening of the song and and I

about the opening of the song and and I could hear him talking in the phone

could hear him talking in the phone

could hear him talking in the phone already he says I love it I just love it

already he says I love it I just love it

already he says I love it I just love it when Jeff came into my

when Jeff came into my

when Jeff came into my office uh he at had an open door policy

office uh he at had an open door policy

office uh he at had an open door policy all producers did I hear Carry On

all producers did I hear Carry On

all producers did I hear Carry On Wayward Son you know and I'm going wait

Wayward Son you know and I'm going wait

Wayward Son you know and I'm going wait a

a

a second pulled in the promotion

second pulled in the promotion

second pulled in the promotion staff into my office you must have

staff into my office you must have

staff into my office you must have played that about 10 times well you've

played that about 10 times well you've

played that about 10 times well you've got yourself your first H single I think

got yourself your first H single I think

got yourself your first H single I think I got a preview I think I heard it

I got a preview I think I heard it

I got a preview I think I heard it before anyone else did and he said I

before anyone else did and he said I

before anyone else did and he said I want you to hear this because there's an

want you to hear this because there's an

want you to hear this because there's an influence there he said you know when we

influence there he said you know when we

influence there he said you know when we heard um um now I'm here the ri

heard um um now I'm here the ri

heard um um now I'm here the ri go

go

go [Music]

[Music]

[Music] he says there's a there's a point where

he says there's a there's a point where

he says there's a there's a point where the Riff swaps over its place in the bar

the Riff swaps over its place in the bar

the Riff swaps over its place in the bar and he said I was intrigued by that the

and he said I was intrigued by that the

and he said I was intrigued by that the same way as you were Brian and he said

same way as you were Brian and he said

same way as you were Brian and he said th this is what we've done with with

th this is what we've done with with

th this is what we've done with with waywood son I remember Don kishner

waywood son I remember Don kishner

waywood son I remember Don kishner saying this every note in that song is a

saying this every note in that song is a

saying this every note in that song is a hook that's hook number

hook that's hook number

hook that's hook number one that's hook number two it started

one that's hook number two it started

one that's hook number two it started off with a hook carry on you that that

off with a hook carry on you that that

off with a hook carry on you that that was the

hook the guitar Souls were

hooks the everything about it was a hook

hooks the everything about it was a hook

hooks the everything about it was a hook is there a 13-year-old boy on Earth who

is there a 13-year-old boy on Earth who

is there a 13-year-old boy on Earth who does not either think of themselves as

does not either think of themselves as

does not either think of themselves as the wayward son or want to be they

the wayward son or want to be they

the wayward son or want to be they tapped into something Timeless and in

tapped into something Timeless and in

tapped into something Timeless and in rock and roll you can't ask for much

rock and roll you can't ask for much

rock and roll you can't ask for much more than that they brought muscle to

more than that they brought muscle to

more than that they brought muscle to music these guys were were so

music these guys were were so

music these guys were were so extraordinarily

extraordinarily

extraordinarily talented that they just seem to be from

talented that they just seem to be from

talented that they just seem to be from whatever that planet is that brings us

whatever that planet is that brings us

whatever that planet is that brings us all the the rock gods in our lives we

all the the rock gods in our lives we

all the the rock gods in our lives we started getting Callins FM you know cuz

started getting Callins FM you know cuz

started getting Callins FM you know cuz you could call in ask for request

you could call in ask for request

you could call in ask for request Callins on on carry on it was all over

Callins on on carry on it was all over

Callins on on carry on it was all over the radio every freaking station in the

the radio every freaking station in the

the radio every freaking station in the country FM and AM played carry on wward

country FM and AM played carry on wward

country FM and AM played carry on wward son and that did it that was what put us

son and that did it that was what put us

son and that did it that was what put us over the top and boom it's the song that

over the top and boom it's the song that

over the top and boom it's the song that changed our entire lives kqv played it

changed our entire lives kqv played it

changed our entire lives kqv played it in

in

in Pittsburgh the minute that happened s

Pittsburgh the minute that happened s

Pittsburgh the minute that happened s Solomon the promotion man wrote in his

Solomon the promotion man wrote in his

Solomon the promotion man wrote in his report I went into the radio station I

report I went into the radio station I

report I went into the radio station I handed him the record and it exploded

handed him the record and it exploded

handed him the record and it exploded the record came out and was gold within

the record came out and was gold within

the record came out and was gold within 4 weeks 3 weeks later it was platinum

4 weeks 3 weeks later it was platinum

4 weeks 3 weeks later it was platinum and it was just soaring took us from

and it was just soaring took us from

and it was just soaring took us from being an opening band to a headliner

being an opening band to a headliner

being an opening band to a headliner around the world after left over came

around the world after left over came

around the world after left over came out after playing him in many other

out after playing him in many other

out after playing him in many other Market in and around the Pittsburgh area

Market in and around the Pittsburgh area

Market in and around the Pittsburgh area I take him to the Civic Arena and we do

I take him to the Civic Arena and we do

I take him to the Civic Arena and we do two nights breaking Alis Presley's

two nights breaking Alis Presley's

two nights breaking Alis Presley's record of 30,000

record of 30,000

record of 30,000 [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

people press lady in New York Susan

people press lady in New York Susan

people press lady in New York Susan blonde said so we got to throw a party

blonde said so we got to throw a party

blonde said so we got to throw a party we can do something really special the

we can do something really special the

we can do something really special the guys will all come in

guys will all come in

guys will all come in tuxedos

tuxedos

tuxedos Kansas H Wizard of Oz you're not in

Kansas H Wizard of Oz you're not in

Kansas H Wizard of Oz you're not in Kansas anymore she actually found Little

Kansas anymore she actually found Little

Kansas anymore she actually found Little People the actors who were still alive

People the actors who were still alive

People the actors who were still alive who were in The Wizard of Oz I said and

who were in The Wizard of Oz I said and

who were in The Wizard of Oz I said and they could throw pedals in the air going

they could throw pedals in the air going

they could throw pedals in the air going Kansas they say is the name of the

Kansas they say is the name of the

Kansas they say is the name of the star yep I did that the thing that I

star yep I did that the thing that I

star yep I did that the thing that I remember most about our Platinum party

remember most about our Platinum party

remember most about our Platinum party was when we got there all the food was

was when we got there all the food was

was when we got there all the food was gone and like here we are we're this

gone and like here we are we're this

gone and like here we are we're this we're the big rock stars coming in to

we're the big rock stars coming in to

we're the big rock stars coming in to have a platinum party we sold a million

have a platinum party we sold a million

have a platinum party we sold a million records you know and then there's a

records you know and then there's a

records you know and then there's a think there's a chicken wing left over

think there's a chicken wing left over

think there's a chicken wing left over there and there's like a couple of

there and there's like a couple of

there and there's like a couple of chocolate chip cookies in this corner

chocolate chip cookies in this corner

chocolate chip cookies in this corner and and so meanwhile all these New York

and and so meanwhile all these New York

and and so meanwhile all these New York people had eatting all our food the

people had eatting all our food the

people had eatting all our food the record label those guys went crazy for

record label those guys went crazy for

record label those guys went crazy for the leftover drone I just couldn't

the leftover drone I just couldn't

the leftover drone I just couldn't believe that these guys had put together

believe that these guys had put together

believe that these guys had put together an album that was as powerful as it was

an album that was as powerful as it was

an album that was as powerful as it was musically but also had a potential and

musically but also had a potential and

musically but also had a potential and from that moment

from that moment

from that moment on Don kersner recouped his over $1

on Don kersner recouped his over $1

on Don kersner recouped his over $1 million and he got all money back and

million and he got all money back and

million and he got all money back and and of course he had all our publishing

and of course he had all our publishing

and of course he had all our publishing so K Ching he risked all that investment

so K Ching he risked all that investment

so K Ching he risked all that investment and all that time believing in us the

and all that time believing in us the

and all that time believing in us the pressures he must have had from the

pressures he must have had from the

pressures he must have had from the record company at CBS going Don you're

record company at CBS going Don you're

record company at CBS going Don you're insane these guys are never going to

insane these guys are never going to

insane these guys are never going to have a hit can you imagine him walking

have a hit can you imagine him walking

have a hit can you imagine him walking back into CBS going Kansas top five hit

back into CBS going Kansas top five hit

back into CBS going Kansas top five hit we went to headline status plus we're

we went to headline status plus we're

we went to headline status plus we're not opening for people anymore we're

not opening for people anymore we're

not opening for people anymore we're head headlining on our own we're making

head headlining on our own we're making

head headlining on our own we're making a lot of money so now we have buses and

a lot of money so now we have buses and

a lot of money so now we have buses and we have trucks and production and our

we have trucks and production and our

we have trucks and production and our crew of three is now 15 and entourages

crew of three is now 15 and entourages

crew of three is now 15 and entourages and people and managers and record

and people and managers and record

and people and managers and record company people are actually coming to

company people are actually coming to

company people are actually coming to the gigs was before we'd invite him they

the gigs was before we'd invite him they

the gigs was before we'd invite him they go sorry man I'm busy with the Ramones

go sorry man I'm busy with the Ramones

go sorry man I'm busy with the Ramones or something you know now you know

or something you know now you know

or something you know now you know they're coming to Kansas gigs and for

they're coming to Kansas gigs and for

they're coming to Kansas gigs and for the first time we were a little bit cool

the first time we were a little bit cool

the first time we were a little bit cool just just a little bit cool

just just a little bit cool

just just a little bit cool Steve had eclipsed Robbie as a vocalist

Steve had eclipsed Robbie as a vocalist

Steve had eclipsed Robbie as a vocalist Steve used to just sit behind his organ

Steve used to just sit behind his organ

Steve used to just sit behind his organ he began to come out and be the lead

he began to come out and be the lead

he began to come out and be the lead singer of

singer of

singer of [Music]

[Music]

[Music] Kansas the event of the season and if I

Kansas the event of the season and if I

Kansas the event of the season and if I claim to be a wise

claim to be a wise

claim to be a wise man it me

man it me

man it me another the stor see a moving

another the stor see a moving

another the stor see a moving emotion I'm like a ship on the ocean I

emotion I'm like a ship on the ocean I

emotion I'm like a ship on the ocean I soss

forun I hear thees

forun I hear thees

forun I hear thees say on

say on

say on my there'll be peace when you

my there'll be peace when you

my there'll be peace when you are make you're we have to rest don't

are make you're we have to rest don't

are make you're we have to rest don't you cry no

more no I started stepping out a little

more no I started stepping out a little

more no I started stepping out a little bit more and trying to deliver it it a

bit more and trying to deliver it it a

bit more and trying to deliver it it a little bit more Steve's gone through a

little bit more Steve's gone through a

little bit more Steve's gone through a lot of changes in my life and uh I never

lot of changes in my life and uh I never

lot of changes in my life and uh I never was really surprised I mean I maybe a

was really surprised I mean I maybe a

was really surprised I mean I maybe a little surprised but never shocked by

little surprised but never shocked by

little surprised but never shocked by any of them it's like I expected him to

any of them it's like I expected him to

any of them it's like I expected him to do something different cuz he always

do something different cuz he always

do something different cuz he always [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] [Music]

did it just grew and grew and again the

did it just grew and grew and again the

did it just grew and grew and again the live performance of this band told them

live performance of this band told them

live performance of this band told them probably more than radio

probably more than radio

probably more than radio Kone to the key to everything that moves

Kone to the key to everything that moves

Kone to the key to everything that moves you in live music rock as that route is

you in live music rock as that route is

you in live music rock as that route is what makes us all get up Pump our fists

what makes us all get up Pump our fists

what makes us all get up Pump our fists and feel like we can go home now and

and feel like we can go home now and

and feel like we can go home now and transfer that energy into whatever we do

transfer that energy into whatever we do

transfer that energy into whatever we do and be a monster at

and be a monster at

and be a monster at it left Overture is leaving a huge huge

it left Overture is leaving a huge huge

it left Overture is leaving a huge huge trail of success all over the world

trail of success all over the world

trail of success all over the world really you know the groundwork we had

really you know the groundwork we had

really you know the groundwork we had laid with those other albums now the fan

laid with those other albums now the fan

laid with those other albums now the fan base was just doubling and

base was just doubling and

base was just doubling and tripling well finally coming off our

tripling well finally coming off our

tripling well finally coming off our first headlining tour knowing that this

first headlining tour knowing that this

first headlining tour knowing that this record had sold you know 2 3 4 million

record had sold you know 2 3 4 million

record had sold you know 2 3 4 million copies it was time for a new record now

copies it was time for a new record now

copies it was time for a new record now there's more record company pressure on

there's more record company pressure on

there's more record company pressure on us to repeat and we start you know

us to repeat and we start you know

us to repeat and we start you know working on uh point of Noti return album

working on uh point of Noti return album

working on uh point of Noti return album but it was also

but it was also

but it was also time to renegotiate our contract with

time to renegotiate our contract with

time to renegotiate our contract with CBS records in her Bud car this is now a

CBS records in her Bud car this is now a

CBS records in her Bud car this is now a multiplatinum album band who at that

multiplatinum album band who at that

multiplatinum album band who at that point owed CBS 10 albums for next to

point owed CBS 10 albums for next to

point owed CBS 10 albums for next to nothing in royalties and you know

nothing in royalties and you know

nothing in royalties and you know something could be done I took a page

something could be done I took a page

something could be done I took a page out of Irving A's offs book who

out of Irving A's offs book who

out of Irving A's offs book who I admire and went in and just tore up

I admire and went in and just tore up

I admire and went in and just tore up the contract and said said I know you

the contract and said said I know you

the contract and said said I know you want another record we're not going to

want another record we're not going to

want another record we're not going to give it to you we were successful

give it to you we were successful

give it to you we were successful in in getting an agreement with CBS

in in getting an agreement with CBS

in in getting an agreement with CBS where they felt good and the band felt

where they felt good and the band felt

where they felt good and the band felt good now that if we can follow this up

good now that if we can follow this up

good now that if we can follow this up and make another record like this we're

and make another record like this we're

and make another record like this we're going to do real well for the first time

going to do real well for the first time

going to do real well for the first time there was this great expectation there's

there was this great expectation there's

there was this great expectation there's going to be a hit the record's going to

going to be a hit the record's going to

going to be a hit the record's going to be bigger than the last one when in no

be bigger than the last one when in no

be bigger than the last one when in no return it was a title me and Bud car

return it was a title me and Bud car

return it was a title me and Bud car came up with art director was Tom drenan

came up with art director was Tom drenan

came up with art director was Tom drenan and the cover art was by Peter Lloyd

and the cover art was by Peter Lloyd

and the cover art was by Peter Lloyd some sort of object going over

some sort of object going over

some sort of object going over something that was to the point of no

something that was to the point of no

something that was to the point of no return started working on the songs and

return started working on the songs and

return started working on the songs and oh man it was just Carrie and Steve were

oh man it was just Carrie and Steve were

oh man it was just Carrie and Steve were now on all

now on all

now on all cylinders

cylinders

cylinders IDE his name he lived alone with his

IDE his name he lived alone with his

IDE his name he lived alone with his vision not looking for fortun to

vision not looking for fortun to

vision not looking for fortun to the album was coming on great uh then

the album was coming on great uh then

the album was coming on great uh then you know Carrie walks in one day with

you know Carrie walks in one day with

you know Carrie walks in one day with another song and I I had come up with

another song and I I had come up with

another song and I I had come up with this finger

this finger

this finger exercise to learn how to finger

exercise to learn how to finger

exercise to learn how to finger pick and I used to S I had this little

pick and I used to S I had this little

pick and I used to S I had this little studio in our what was the dining room

studio in our what was the dining room

studio in our what was the dining room of our house and my wife Vicki used to

of our house and my wife Vicki used to

of our house and my wife Vicki used to walk back and forth and she said you

walk back and forth and she said you

walk back and forth and she said you know you should do something with that

know you should do something with that

know you should do something with that thing I said no honey this is just an

thing I said no honey this is just an

thing I said no honey this is just an exercise don't bother me she I'm telling

exercise don't bother me she I'm telling

exercise don't bother me she I'm telling you you should do something with that I

you you should do something with that I

you you should do something with that I remember Carrie talking to me on the

remember Carrie talking to me on the

remember Carrie talking to me on the phone he called me and he said I have a

phone he called me and he said I have a

phone he called me and he said I have a very different song that I want to play

very different song that I want to play

very different song that I want to play you guys I sure well what he goes it

you guys I sure well what he goes it

you guys I sure well what he goes it it's an acoustic

it's an acoustic

it's an acoustic song I said okay he said no I'm serious

song I said okay he said no I'm serious

song I said okay he said no I'm serious just good just acoustic guitar there's

just good just acoustic guitar there's

just good just acoustic guitar there's not going to be any drums nothing so I I

not going to be any drums nothing so I I

not going to be any drums nothing so I I played it for him and when when the tape

played it for him and when when the tape

played it for him and when when the tape finished playing there was this kind of

finished playing there was this kind of

finished playing there was this kind of a stunned silence and I think Dave said

a stunned silence and I think Dave said

a stunned silence and I think Dave said Carrie where has this been said what you

Carrie where has this been said what you

Carrie where has this been said what you mean you like it we all knew Dust in the

mean you like it we all knew Dust in the

mean you like it we all knew Dust in the Wind was going to be a hit we didn't

Wind was going to be a hit we didn't

Wind was going to be a hit we didn't think it was a hit we just knew it was

think it was a hit we just knew it was

think it was a hit we just knew it was going to be a hit I close my

going to be a hit I close my

going to be a hit I close my eyes only for a moment and the moment's

eyes only for a moment and the moment's

eyes only for a moment and the moment's gone all my

gone all my

gone all my dreams pass before my eyes are C

osity D in the

osity D in the

osity D in the wind all we are is D in the

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] wind

wind

wind [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] oh I mean it was automatic this was a

oh I mean it was automatic this was a

oh I mean it was automatic this was a band that never agreed on

band that never agreed on

band that never agreed on anything not on that

song

song

song I don't remember if there was any

I don't remember if there was any

I don't remember if there was any physical contact like hugging or

physical contact like hugging or

physical contact like hugging or slapping or high-fiving but it was a

slapping or high-fiving but it was a

slapping or high-fiving but it was a unanimous Carrie that is just Stellar a

unanimous Carrie that is just Stellar a

unanimous Carrie that is just Stellar a finger exercise turns into Dust in the

finger exercise turns into Dust in the

finger exercise turns into Dust in the Wind what you know what I mean how you

Wind what you know what I mean how you

Wind what you know what I mean how you know yeah I'm just going to practice my

know yeah I'm just going to practice my

know yeah I'm just going to practice my finger picking and you know and his wife

finger picking and you know and his wife

finger picking and you know and his wife walks by and makes a comment the next

walks by and makes a comment the next

walks by and makes a comment the next thing we know we have the biggest song

thing we know we have the biggest song

thing we know we have the biggest song we've ever had in in the history of the

we've ever had in in the history of the

we've ever had in in the history of the band and not only that that's one of the

band and not only that that's one of the

band and not only that that's one of the biggest songs

ever there's a lot of songs that were

ever there's a lot of songs that were

ever there's a lot of songs that were sort of pondering reality very few of

sort of pondering reality very few of

sort of pondering reality very few of them from the' 70s are still being

them from the' 70s are still being

them from the' 70s are still being played and still being loved and that's

played and still being loved and that's

played and still being loved and that's because I think there was a sincerity in

because I think there was a sincerity in

because I think there was a sincerity in Carrie that carries through in the

music the song is so

music the song is so

music the song is so Magnificent the Simplicity the beauty of

Magnificent the Simplicity the beauty of

Magnificent the Simplicity the beauty of the song we are DUS wind is just

the song we are DUS wind is just

the song we are DUS wind is just [Music]

[Music]

[Music] beautiful kishner heard that song he

beautiful kishner heard that song he

beautiful kishner heard that song he finally saw what he had been waiting for

finally saw what he had been waiting for

finally saw what he had been waiting for all these years not that he didn't

all these years not that he didn't

all these years not that he didn't didn't like wayward son but he thought

didn't like wayward son but he thought

didn't like wayward son but he thought this is going to really be something

this is going to really be something

this is going to really be something when Dustin the wind came along and you

when Dustin the wind came along and you

when Dustin the wind came along and you heard the first line in the song and

heard the first line in the song and

heard the first line in the song and then you got to the hook line that was

then you got to the hook line that was

then you got to the hook line that was about as close to mailing a hit as you

about as close to mailing a hit as you

about as close to mailing a hit as you could ever have it went across all

could ever have it went across all

could ever have it went across all formats it was even being played on

formats it was even being played on

formats it was even being played on country radio

country radio

country radio rock hit radio a dust was literally

rock hit radio a dust was literally

rock hit radio a dust was literally played

played

played everywhere I heard that that whole

everywhere I heard that that whole

everywhere I heard that that whole opening lick was just finger exercise is

opening lick was just finger exercise is

opening lick was just finger exercise is what it was which U Joe Walsh Life in

what it was which U Joe Walsh Life in

what it was which U Joe Walsh Life in the Fast Lane if you ask him Bo it down

the Fast Lane if you ask him Bo it down

the Fast Lane if you ask him Bo it down it down is just a finger exercise and so

it down is just a finger exercise and so

it down is just a finger exercise and so I love that those guys of that mindset

I love that those guys of that mindset

I love that those guys of that mindset that they can just take that stuff and

that they can just take that stuff and

that they can just take that stuff and turn it into something that that not

turn it into something that that not

turn it into something that that not only changed individuals it changed the

only changed individuals it changed the

only changed individuals it changed the world

world

world what dust did for album sales I don't

what dust did for album sales I don't

what dust did for album sales I don't think is as important as what it did for

think is as important as what it did for

think is as important as what it did for the band it put them in a category of

the band it put them in a category of

the band it put them in a category of some of the most memorable artists in

some of the most memorable artists in

some of the most memorable artists in history Carrie who seems like someone

history Carrie who seems like someone

history Carrie who seems like someone for whom music had a deeply spiritual

for whom music had a deeply spiritual

for whom music had a deeply spiritual meaning all we are is Dustin in the wind

meaning all we are is Dustin in the wind

meaning all we are is Dustin in the wind it was as good a line of a song is the

it was as good a line of a song is the

it was as good a line of a song is the answer my friend is blowing in the wind

answer my friend is blowing in the wind

answer my friend is blowing in the wind that's the way I promoted it I I first

that's the way I promoted it I I first

that's the way I promoted it I I first heard it I I remember thinking that's

heard it I I remember thinking that's

heard it I I remember thinking that's good then I heard like any song I heard

good then I heard like any song I heard

good then I heard like any song I heard everywhere like I'm sick of that song

everywhere like I'm sick of that song

everywhere like I'm sick of that song kind of sick of Kansas right now which

kind of sick of Kansas right now which

kind of sick of Kansas right now which if you were Kansas that is a great thing

if you were Kansas that is a great thing

if you were Kansas that is a great thing the two second test was Put the Needle

the two second test was Put the Needle

the two second test was Put the Needle on the record 1001 10002 who is that you

on the record 1001 10002 who is that you

on the record 1001 10002 who is that you could test you on 100 group dead Doris

could test you on 100 group dead Doris

could test you on 100 group dead Doris choplin Hendrick I mean everything was

choplin Hendrick I mean everything was

choplin Hendrick I mean everything was identifiable I mean within 2 seconds to

identifiable I mean within 2 seconds to

identifiable I mean within 2 seconds to this day literally when you hear the

this day literally when you hear the

this day literally when you hear the first couple notes of it people old

first couple notes of it people old

first couple notes of it people old young it doesn't matter they they know

young it doesn't matter they they know

young it doesn't matter they they know that

song is D the

song is D the

song is D the [Music]

[Music]

[Music] wind record was an immediate hit sold

wind record was an immediate hit sold

wind record was an immediate hit sold for a million out of the box Dust in the

for a million out of the box Dust in the

for a million out of the box Dust in the Wind became the second signature song

Wind became the second signature song

Wind became the second signature song for The Group Kansas

for The Group Kansas

for The Group Kansas now we're into the big places now we're

now we're into the big places now we're

now we're into the big places now we're selling out 15 20,000 Cedars two nights

selling out 15 20,000 Cedars two nights

selling out 15 20,000 Cedars two nights at the Spectrum in Philadelphia you know

at the Spectrum in Philadelphia you know

at the Spectrum in Philadelphia you know and playing Madison Square Garden sold

and playing Madison Square Garden sold

and playing Madison Square Garden sold out playing The Forum sold out there's

out playing The Forum sold out there's

out playing The Forum sold out there's nothing like playing for 70,000 people

nothing like playing for 70,000 people

nothing like playing for 70,000 people and takes your breath

and takes your breath

and takes your breath away played the Canada Jam biggest crowd

away played the Canada Jam biggest crowd

away played the Canada Jam biggest crowd we've ever played for in in Canada

we've ever played for in in Canada

we've ever played for in in Canada Toronto I think it was there was right

Toronto I think it was there was right

Toronto I think it was there was right around 120,000 people there

around 120,000 people there

around 120,000 people there this was not something we ever

this was not something we ever

this was not something we ever envisioned we envisioned maybe the level

envisioned we envisioned maybe the level

envisioned we envisioned maybe the level we got to with mask and then we would

we got to with mask and then we would

we got to with mask and then we would die

out we're just experiencing things that

out we're just experiencing things that

out we're just experiencing things that we never could have imagined

we never could have imagined

we never could have imagined ever we play a gig at the Hammer Smith

ever we play a gig at the Hammer Smith

ever we play a gig at the Hammer Smith Odon in England and queen comes to see

Odon in England and queen comes to see

Odon in England and queen comes to see us that's

us that's

us that's rocking

I think ultimately the reason we're

I think ultimately the reason we're

I think ultimately the reason we're talking about Kansas in a documentary in

talking about Kansas in a documentary in

talking about Kansas in a documentary in the 21st century when most bands of that

the 21st century when most bands of that

the 21st century when most bands of that era are just forgotten is they were

era are just forgotten is they were

era are just forgotten is they were about the

about the

about the music people can talk about the Beatles

music people can talk about the Beatles

music people can talk about the Beatles they can talk about the Eagles talk

they can talk about the Eagles talk

they can talk about the Eagles talk about all they want put Kansas on that

about all they want put Kansas on that

about all they want put Kansas on that list for me cuz these guys were not only

list for me cuz these guys were not only

list for me cuz these guys were not only rock not only only muscle but

rock not only only muscle but

rock not only only muscle but intelligence and I dug every lick of

intelligence and I dug every lick of

intelligence and I dug every lick of it I think this is why we and Kansas hid

it I think this is why we and Kansas hid

it I think this is why we and Kansas hid it off so easily you know we had similar

it off so easily you know we had similar

it off so easily you know we had similar kind of dreams we had kind of Visions in

kind of dreams we had kind of Visions in

kind of dreams we had kind of Visions in our head of what we wanted to sound like

our head of what we wanted to sound like

our head of what we wanted to sound like and what we wanted to how we wanted to

and what we wanted to how we wanted to

and what we wanted to how we wanted to come across and um the stuff that that

come across and um the stuff that that

come across and um the stuff that that we all did in that time is is kind of

immortal I could call it a miracle that

immortal I could call it a miracle that

immortal I could call it a miracle that they were fortunate enough to meet

they were fortunate enough to meet

they were fortunate enough to meet somebody like Donnie

somebody like Donnie

somebody like Donnie kersner Wally

kersner Wally

kersner Wally Gold

Gold

Gold Jeff yeah I I I would go along with that

Jeff yeah I I I would go along with that

Jeff yeah I I I would go along with that but I think it's meant to be I think

but I think it's meant to be I think

but I think it's meant to be I think that when you have that raw talent you

that when you have that raw talent you

that when you have that raw talent you have that ability to write and create

have that ability to write and create

have that ability to write and create poetry and be able to put music to it

poetry and be able to put music to it

poetry and be able to put music to it it's a different kind of

Miracle it's a Godlike Miracle but it's

Miracle it's a Godlike Miracle but it's

Miracle it's a Godlike Miracle but it's this practical

this practical

this practical Miracle how does six guys from Topeka

Miracle how does six guys from Topeka

Miracle how does six guys from Topeka Kansas end up you know becoming one of

Kansas end up you know becoming one of

Kansas end up you know becoming one of the most successful rock bands in the

the most successful rock bands in the

the most successful rock bands in the [Music]

[Music]

[Music] world the chances were just a snowball

world the chances were just a snowball

world the chances were just a snowball in hell you

in hell you

in hell you know I always felt like there was a kind

know I always felt like there was a kind

know I always felt like there was a kind of the destiny thing hanging over us or

of the destiny thing hanging over us or

of the destiny thing hanging over us or something you know it just it it took

something you know it just it it took

something you know it just it it took took more than just

took more than just

took more than just that you know we never had a plan B

that you know we never had a plan B

that you know we never had a plan B there was no plan B there was never what

there was no plan B there was never what

there was no plan B there was never what are you going to do if this doesn't work

are you going to do if this doesn't work

are you going to do if this doesn't work out we were always just going to make it

out we were always just going to make it

out we were always just going to make it in the music business we didn't even

in the music business we didn't even

in the music business we didn't even know what make it was but that's what we

know what make it was but that's what we

know what make it was but that's what we were doing we're as different as six

were doing we're as different as six

were doing we're as different as six individuals can be and yet we formed

individuals can be and yet we formed

individuals can be and yet we formed this group that had something special

this group that had something special

this group that had something special about it I don't know what it was it had

about it I don't know what it was it had

about it I don't know what it was it had something special about it that uh that

something special about it that uh that

something special about it that uh that really reached people we were proud of

really reached people we were proud of

really reached people we were proud of each other other and we were proud of

each other other and we were proud of

each other other and we were proud of ourselves you know we had something to

ourselves you know we had something to

ourselves you know we had something to prove and it was going to be hell or

prove and it was going to be hell or

prove and it was going to be hell or high water if we didn't it's been you

high water if we didn't it's been you

high water if we didn't it's been you know gez I've lived a

know gez I've lived a

know gez I've lived a dream we reached the point of surpassing

dream we reached the point of surpassing

dream we reached the point of surpassing all our dreams the dreams that we had um

all our dreams the dreams that we had um

all our dreams the dreams that we had um the dreams that we imagined from the

the dreams that we imagined from the

the dreams that we imagined from the very first album you know things you

very first album you know things you

very first album you know things you kind of always hoped but you'd never you

kind of always hoped but you'd never you

kind of always hoped but you'd never you would never feel that you'd ever ever

would never feel that you'd ever ever

would never feel that you'd ever ever get there to me a band is it's all about

get there to me a band is it's all about

get there to me a band is it's all about a team it's not about the indiv

a team it's not about the indiv

a team it's not about the indiv individual people in it it's about what

individual people in it it's about what

individual people in it it's about what a team can do if they're all firing on

a team can do if they're all firing on

a team can do if they're all firing on all its cylinders together I wanted to

all its cylinders together I wanted to

all its cylinders together I wanted to be a part of something that was a lot

be a part of something that was a lot

be a part of something that was a lot bigger than I could ever be being in a

bigger than I could ever be being in a

bigger than I could ever be being in a band is like being married only I was

band is like being married only I was

band is like being married only I was married to Five Guys you know that's a

married to Five Guys you know that's a

married to Five Guys you know that's a that's a lot of

that's a lot of

that's a lot of work it's always going to be uh the guys

work it's always going to be uh the guys

work it's always going to be uh the guys first and we all like love music but I

first and we all like love music but I

first and we all like love music but I like the guys my

like the guys my

like the guys my [Music]

[Music]

[Music] friends you got to have people around

friends you got to have people around

friends you got to have people around you that you trust and eventually that

you that you trust and eventually that

you that you trust and eventually that you love you know it's that's the thing

you love you know it's that's the thing

you love you know it's that's the thing about this band is that they're the most

about this band is that they're the most

about this band is that they're the most trustworthy people that I've ever

trustworthy people that I've ever

trustworthy people that I've ever met after 40 years I'm proud to say that

met after 40 years I'm proud to say that

met after 40 years I'm proud to say that you know I was part of it so going back

you know I was part of it so going back

you know I was part of it so going back there and restaging that

there and restaging that

there and restaging that picture was really the first time in 40

picture was really the first time in 40

picture was really the first time in 40 some years that any of us had been back

some years that any of us had been back

some years that any of us had been back there and to go up there and to stand

there and to go up there and to stand

there and to go up there and to stand and to have the six of us there again

and to have the six of us there again

and to have the six of us there again knowing 40 years ago we stood here and

knowing 40 years ago we stood here and

knowing 40 years ago we stood here and to recreate that it was um it was

to recreate that it was um it was

to recreate that it was um it was Goosebumps that's why it makes this so

Goosebumps that's why it makes this so

Goosebumps that's why it makes this so meaningful it was the journey but we

meaningful it was the journey but we

meaningful it was the journey but we actually made it to the top of the

actually made it to the top of the

actually made it to the top of the [Music]

[Music]

[Music] mountain

[Music]

the Sparks of the Tempest rage 100 years

the Sparks of the Tempest rage 100 years

the Sparks of the Tempest rage 100 years on the voice of the dreamer scream calls

on the voice of the dreamer scream calls

on the voice of the dreamer scream calls upon the king and the queen are gone

upon the king and the queen are gone

upon the king and the queen are gone Each pie is the same the difference

Each pie is the same the difference

Each pie is the same the difference between us is a part of the game

between us is a part of the game

between us is a part of the game darkness is spreading like a spot on the

darkness is spreading like a spot on the

darkness is spreading like a spot on the Sun the dead are the living in the AG of

Sun the dead are the living in the AG of

Sun the dead are the living in the AG of begun while everyone clamors for the

begun while everyone clamors for the

begun while everyone clamors for the Justice they see the word is corrupted

Justice they see the word is corrupted

Justice they see the word is corrupted and the strong take the weed they mo you

and the strong take the weed they mo you

and the strong take the weed they mo you into

into

into so watch what you do the SPs of the

so watch what you do the SPs of the

so watch what you do the SPs of the Tempest are burning me through SP like

Tempest are burning me through SP like

Tempest are burning me through SP like wild falling like

wild falling like

wild falling like rain promise they

rain promise they

rain promise they [Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

all your future is managed and your

all your future is managed and your

all your future is managed and your Freedom's a joke you don't know the

Freedom's a joke you don't know the

Freedom's a joke you don't know the difference as you put on the y the less

difference as you put on the y the less

difference as you put on the y the less that you know the more you fall into

that you know the more you fall into

that you know the more you fall into place Cog in the wheel there is no soul

place Cog in the wheel there is no soul

place Cog in the wheel there is no soul in your

in your

in your face the

face the

face the cover

cover

cover here the standard of confusion and fear

here the standard of confusion and fear

here the standard of confusion and fear spreading like wild falling Like

spreading like wild falling Like

spreading like wild falling Like Rain prise the only

[Music]

[Music]

[Music] [Applause]

bring

bring

bring [Applause]

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[Music] a