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How would you explain the
seemingly unexplainable?
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It's even hard to make yourself believe it.
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What if it was a story so far
-fetched nobody would believe you?
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Lo and behold, here this thing is again.
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Would you keep it a secret?
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I don't know what it was.
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Or would you share your
experience with the world?
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When you talk about
it, it makes it more real.
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It was uh, it was kind
of like a humming noise.
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Just one of them made it.
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And what if that experience
was with the extraterrestrial?
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I'm going to describe some of the
creatures that was aboard the craft.
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This is the curious
story of Charles Hickson
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and Calvin Parker, whose tale of alien
abduction in 1973 gripped the nation.
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Everybody's mouth fell open, it was like.
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And when more eyewitnesses
surfaced over the years...
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Suddenly there's an insurgent
of a whole lot of reports.
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There was just a huge number of
UFO sightings, everybody was singing.
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It begged the question, are
we really alone in the universe?
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And are we even ready for the truth?
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I think we maybe all seem to have
the same kind of feeling of validation that
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we didn't make this up.
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How could that many people imagine
the exact same thing at the same time?
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Welcome to Pascagoula.
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Nestled along Mississippi's
Gulf Coast, this unassuming city
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harbors a mystery that
has endured for decades.
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Beneath its quiet streets and scenic
charm lies a story that shook the world.
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A tale of unexplainable
encounter that forever altered
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the lives of two men and
those who bore witness to it.
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These three figures was coming
toward us and there wasn't nowhere to run.
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When Charles Hickson
and Calvin Parker decided to
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go fishing after work, nobody could
have predicted what would happen next.
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We was fishing right where the
power poles are, there's a little pier.
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But the fishing spot they
chose was on private property.
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I said, Charlie, we're gonna go
to jail for trespassing down here.
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He said, no, I fish
here all the time.
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I was fishing and I noticed a reflection
off the water, some hazy blue lights.
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And that is the color of the
lights that the law has around here.
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And of course, there's
no trespassing signs up.
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And I figured me and
Charlie was going to jail.
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In hindsight, going to
jail probably would have
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been the better option for the pair, as
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what they went on to experience
altered their lives forever.
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You know, my skin
was kind of standing up.
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So I don't know if I was afraid of
going to jail or afraid something else
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was going to happen.
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This case primarily features
two very ordinary men.
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On the night of October the 11th, 1973,
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on the Pascagoula River
in Mississippi, these two
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ordinary men encountered the extraordinary.
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And I come here and I think about Charlie
and his bad thoughts because I don't
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like to think about what happened
to us or him breaking the story.
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I feel betrayed by him because we
agreed we was going to keep this quiet and
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we didn't.
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And I never spoke to my dad about it
till I got home from the Marine Corps.
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And the night we sat down and talked
about it, he was telling me what happened.
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And all of a sudden he had tears
and it's just flowing down his face.
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And I asked him, I said, what's wrong?
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He said, son, he said, I spent 20
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months and 16 days in combat in Korea.
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I was scared.
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He said, I've never had anything
to scare me like these things did.
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It scared the hell out of me
because I just knew I was going to jail
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and it's going to cost money
to get out for trespassing.
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It got our attention,
let me put it like that.
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I now firmly believe that this case, when
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it comes to close
encounter cases, is probably
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the best documented case on the record.
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I have no doubt about that whatsoever.
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But just what did these two men see?
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What had they experienced
on this fateful night in 1973?
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The craft came out of the west and
landed just about where that big pile of
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this out there, which was laying.
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It kind of shocked our
eyes there for a little while.
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You could tell that it was oval shaped.
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It had two portholes on top and you
could see lights coming out of that.
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It has the ability to change colors.
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This started out as a hazy
blue, then it kind of a bluish green.
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And then I seen some red somewhere
and I'm not for sure that the red come
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from the craft because there was a car
parked over there and it might have been
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a brake lights off the car or something.
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But it was a little bit of red.
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But then the door opened and the lights
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got bright because the lights
was coming from the inside.
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They was blinded, the lights were.
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So it kind of shocked our
eyes there for a little while.
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But the door just slid open and
the lights was from the inside.
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And almost immediately
they seemed like the end
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of the craft opened up some way.
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And three things came out of it.
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These three figures was coming toward us.
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You could tell they was
bulky looking creatures
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like football players or something.
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And they was gliding across the swamp
grass and there wasn't nowhere to run.
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There was debris on the left,
debris on the right, water on the front.
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With nowhere to run, the men froze in
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fear as three figures from the
aircraft floated towards them.
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Two of them got a hold of Charlie,
one of them got a hold of myself.
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And they give us, give
me a go to hell shot.
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I didn't care.
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I know they give Charlie one too.
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He said they did.
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They give us the shot in the left
arm here and that calmed us down.
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Just what were these beings that
Calvin and Charles saw that night?
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Why were they here?
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And where did they come from?
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(dramatic music)
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These three figures was coming toward us.
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You could tell they was bulky looking.
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They was gliding across the swamp grass.
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They wasn't no separation in the
legs and the feet look like a pair of work
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boots.
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The only moving parts was their arms and
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their hands was like crab claws or mittens.
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Couldn't really tell what it was.
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Believe me, I wasn't looking that hard.
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I was trying to think
about getting out of there.
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He said, I didn't know what
they were, where they came from.
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And I was so afraid they
were going to take me away.
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And nobody would ever
know what happened to us.
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There'd be you, your mom, your brothers and
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sisters and they would
never find Calvin and I.
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And so I knew right then
my father was telling the truth.
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Fact or fiction.
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The close encounter
story of Calvin Parker and
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Charles Hickson is one of
the most compelling in history.
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When it comes to cases like
this, the argument goes three ways.
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Not sure what it is, you
know, leave it open-ended.
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The argument that it's extraterrestrial.
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Or that there's some kind of
psychological explanation for it.
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You know, take your pick.
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When it comes to the
Pascagoula case specifically,
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it's even been claimed that it was some
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kind of military experiment
that took place that night.
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But, you know, the list is endless.
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It really is.
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And if witnessing a UFO
wasn't scary enough,
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what happened next would stay with
the two men for the rest of their lives.
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And I seemed to just raise up to the
level that they were, which they were
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about a foot or a foot
and a half off of the ground.
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And they carried me
inside of the spacecraft.
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Once aboard the craft, the two men were
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separated, with each taken to
a different room by the beings.
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And what they had to experience
next was more fitting for a sci-fi movie.
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I didn't see Charlie no
more when I went aboard.
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They took a left turn, went about
10, 15 foot down the hallway.
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And then they turned right into
what I call an examination room.
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And he said, they
took us in that thing.
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He said, I'm assuming they took Calvin in.
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He said, they took me in first.
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And he said it was like being
in an extremely bright light bulb.
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He said it was blinding.
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And he said, I remember seeing this thing.
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I guess it was a wall come out
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and to my face, went down my body.
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Because he said, I felt like I was
suspended in air at a 45 degree angle.
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And went around my body twice and
came back around and back to my face and
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just disappeared back
into wherever it came from.
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Charles experience
brings up some questions.
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Why had he been chosen?
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What were they examining him for?
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And where was the information
they were gathering going to go?
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He told me they got a hold
of him and took him back out.
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And he said, Calvin was standing out there
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by the river with his arms
outstretched facing the river.
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And he said he was
in a state of shock.
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When I seen him, he
seemed to be going in shock.
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I've seen many men in shock.
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And he seemed to be going in shock.
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Just what had Calvin experienced that
night that had left him in such a state?
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What did he see?
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What did he witness?
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And how did it affect him?
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He laid me on my back
and I was facing the ceiling.
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When I was laying on the table, this
big ugly thing that brought me in went
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to a corner and just shut down.
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And then there's something about the
size of a deck of cards to come out of
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the ceilings.
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It come down within a
foot and a half of my head.
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And it rotated around my head.
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But each time it would go around,
you could hear it click, click, click.
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And what he experienced next
stuck with Calvin for the rest of his life.
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I was laying on the table and that
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thing that clicked was
running around my head.
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And that's when I noticed I heard a
noise, which wasn't a loud noise, but I
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just felt a presence.
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And that's when she come out of another
room and put her finger down my throat.
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(dramatic music)
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And I started bleeding and
there was a lot of blood on me.
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She kind of, she, I called her she,
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backed up out of the way and
made a noise like a bacon call on an
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alligator, like a gulp, gulp.
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And the big ugly one that I called
him, like a jack-in-the-box come alive.
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And he come over and
picked me up by the arm again.
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And I felt a rejection
go in my arm.
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And I heard a noise like that.
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And I was relaxed again.
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He carried me out.
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I was on the pier, but I was facing
the river with my arms stretched out
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in front of me.
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And that's where I felt Charlie.
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Charlie was, he said, you all right, sir?
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You all right?
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I told Charlie, well,
hell no, I'm not all right.
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And we agreed not to mention
nobody and not tell nobody.
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Remember, this was 1973.
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And they put you in a nut house
back in just for thinking it, much less
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saying it.
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But imagine if, on that night in 1973,
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several individuals experienced
a similar phenomenon.
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What if Charles and Calvin weren't the only
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ones to encounter the unexplainable?
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Their story wouldn't be so crazy, would it?
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Down through the years, there have been
reports of unidentified flying objects.
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With the dawn of the space age, the
frequency of these reports have increased.
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Many people believe that
these UFOs are indeed
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space vehicles from outer
space, manned by living
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creatures sometimes called humanoids.
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On rare occasion, actual
contact with these creatures
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from space have been reported.
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Alien abduction stories have fascinated
and puzzled humanity for decades.
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Yet they almost always
share one curious detail.
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The experiences are deeply personal,
with little to no external eyewitnesses.
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Most encounters remain
confined to the memories of
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the individuals involved, leaving
skeptics to question their legitimacy.
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But the Pascagoula case is one of few
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where multiple independent
witnesses came out over the
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years, reporting phenomena
that aligned with the central story.
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Friends and my family think I'm crazy.
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It's even hard to make yourself believe it.
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I didn't admit what I
had seen for years.
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Back in that day, if
you'd seen a UFO...
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It was almost taboo to talk
about something like this.
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I didn't go out and get on
TV or interviews or anything.
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I kind of kept it, me and my wife
kept it to ourselves, what we've seen.
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Back in those days,
nobody believed in UFOs.
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You really had to be crazy
if you said you'd seen one.
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Was it mass hysteria?
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A series of coincidental
misidentifications?
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Or could these eyewitnesses
offer further proof of
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Charles and Calvin's story of abduction?
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It was a warm night,
as it is here in the South.
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We were at the red light,
waiting for it to turn green.
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After a few seconds, I said,
Hey, guys, do y'all see what I see?
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And they said, yeah, man,
it looks like an airplane.
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And it's awful low.
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It's very low.
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We just assumed this
airplane was in trouble.
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And, you know, hey, man, that
thing looks like it's going to crash.
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And then it was on top of us.
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I looked in the back window, like looking
straight up through the back window.
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And I watched it go straight up.
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Not side, not back and forth, straight up.
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And completely disappeared within seconds.
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In 1973, I was 32 years old.
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I remember that part.
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I was a crane operator at Walker
Shipyard the night of the UFO sighting.
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And I seen this thing,
it just eased right over.
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And it looked like it stopped right
in the middle of the Pasco River.
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Just stopped, dead still.
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Maybe a tiny bit of movement, not much.
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It was an egg-shaped looking thing.
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You really couldn't
tell that much about it.
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You could tell that it was oval shaped.
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You'll never understand
totally until you've been there.
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You know, I was a
senior in high school.
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And I was 18 years old.
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And this was October.
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So it had to have been a Friday night or
maybe the Saturday night, which would
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have put it at the 12th or 13th.
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We were on Espy Avenue fixing
to turn east onto Pineville Road.
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And we just got a little ways
around on Pineville Road.
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And all of a sudden, boom!
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The whole inside
of the car lit up blue.
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I'm shocked.
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I don't know what's going on.
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We were coming from Pasco to Gautier.
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And as soon as I got up on top of the
bridge, I seen these very bright lights.
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They were not rotating.
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It was just a wide
span of bright lights.
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Never thought of the fact
that it could have been a UFO.
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If I had, I would have turned off on
the port road and went down there
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to see what was going on.
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But we came on to Gautier.
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And like I said, didn't hear
it on the news till 10 o'clock.
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But it was pretty amazing to see that,
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you know, to witness it.
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And then not realize what I
was even seeing at the time.
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Seemed like quite a few
people had seen something.
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It was unexplanatory,
you know, that evening.
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I had walked outside
to take out the trash.
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I looked up above the house and there
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was a red, white, and blue flashing light.
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It has the ability to change colors.
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It had no wings.
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It had no manner of
propulsion that I could tell.
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No vapor trail.
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We watched this thing make some of the
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most, some of the most
incredible turns you've ever seen.
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They would make 90 degree angles at just
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such a fast pace that there's no possible
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way that a human being could, you know,
could be in there because the g-forces
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would be so bad.
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But it was like you would take the
arrow on a computer screen and just take
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the mouse and just wiggle it all around.
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That's the way this thing was moved.
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You know, I was always, I've been
interested in astronomy for years.
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So I always kind of
watched the sky anyway.
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I had taken my dogs out in the
backyard and just idly waiting on the dogs.
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They got their evening run and
I noticed something in the west.
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But first, of course,
thought it was a plane.
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I realized that's not a plane.
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I have no idea what I'm looking at,
but it doesn't look like any plane I'd
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ever seen before.
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I want to use the word hovered, kind
of stayed in one position for, oh, several
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minutes.
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And then it slowly started to
move to the south and it stopped.
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And then it moved slowly
to the north and it stopped.
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It moved back toward
the south and it stopped.
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It did this probably at
least three or four times.
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And then before I could
even recognize really
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what was happening, it, the only
words I can use is it shot off to the
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north and disappeared.
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This was in the afternoon.
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I was riding my bicycle down
the street and it caught my eye.
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There was this green smoke and I ran
inside and told my mother and finally got
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her to come out there
and she saw it too.
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And maybe, I don't know, 10 to 15
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minutes, it just sort of faded out.
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And after it did, all of a sudden
this thing appeared out of nowhere.
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Just looked like it just
popped out of thin air.
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And I assume we were
looking up at the bottom of it.
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What makes this case different to most, if
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not all the others, is the fact that
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we have a growing
number of independent, first
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-hand eyewitnesses.
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And that is like, unlike anything
I've ever come across before.
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Whilst these eyewitnesses
took decades to reveal their
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stories of that night,
for Charles and Calvin
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in 1973, they had to make a decision.
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Would they keep their
encounter secret or try
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to convince the world of
what had happened to them?
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Charlie wanted to call somebody
and tell them, said, no, let's not.
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I didn't see nothing.
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I'm just going to act like I don't
remember nothing, like I was blacked out.
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And I couldn't stay,
say, you know, distinctly
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because I was at the
point where I passed out.
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Which at the time, that was probably
the best thing I could do because I didn't
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like people.
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I didn't like pressure.
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I didn't want nobody to know.
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I had just started the job
with him, so we agreed on that.
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We wasn't going to mention nobody.
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But unknown to Calvin,
Charles had other ideas.
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I think daddy's the one that made the
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decision that, yes, they
should tell someone.
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And I can understand Calvin not wanting to
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get in the limelight
and everything like that.
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My father, I guess, just thought
it was too important to ignore.
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Directly after the alleged
happening, Charles told Calvin
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to drive to the Mississippi press room to
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share their news with a reporter,
going against what they had agreed.
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Once there, the two
men met with accusations
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of being drunk to craft
such an unbelievable story.
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00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,800
Now we have social media,
seeing comments online
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that, oh, what were these
two Southern guys drinking?
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Well, you know, they
either weren't drinking, but
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even if they have, you
know, anybody watching
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this today, have you
been drunk at any point?
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Did you hallucinate an alien abduction?
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I don't think so.
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00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,880
So, but they weren't drinking anyway.
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00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,120
It's as simple as that.
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The press office directed
them to speak with
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the police, as their
story was impossible to
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believe and therefore wasn't newsworthy.
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So we called the sheriff's
department and they
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told us to wait, to wait
right here for them.
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I was on patrol and I heard some
chatter on the radio and I heard some
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officer talking about it.
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And I didn't understand
everything, but they were
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talking about someone had been
abducted by a UFO and everything.
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Personally, at that point, I thought it
was just a joke or the guys were just
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talking about it.
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Officers at night, late at night, and
we all did, we would do funny things.
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We'd get bored and, you know, we'd put
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out different traffic on the radio, just to
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make everybody laugh and keep them awake.
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And they showed up
just a few minutes later.
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And that's when they, of course,
we was in my car and I was driving.
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They walked up to the door.
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They looked in the car.
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They asked me to see the
driver's license and to step out.
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I stepped out of the car.
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They told me to stand on my left
leg, raise my right leg, and bend my
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head back, touch my nose, close my eyes,
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and count to 200 backwards
and jump up and down.
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Of course, I told them I couldn't do
that sober, much less if I was drinking.
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But they put me through the meal.
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There's a little sobriety test.
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We walked around and all.
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00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:02,680
And finally, Glenn Ryder said,
you sober enough to drive anyway.
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Follow us to the police
sheriff's department.
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00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,240
Walking into the Jackson
County Sheriff's Department, the
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two probably knew their story
would be tough for anyone to believe.
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00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,360
But for Charles, it was
a story he needed to tell.
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00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,520
I was with the Pascagoula
Police Department in
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1973 when all of the UFO stuff happened.
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This is my riot shotgun.
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It gave a lot of people religion.
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00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,840
Bill Gennaro worked for
Pascagoula PD and then
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later on, he worked with me in the
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Jackson County Sheriff's
Department in the early 90s.
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In some places, I was referred to
as the M.F. with the silver shotgun.
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He was a pretty good investigator.
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I can't tell you nothing
bad about the man.
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He was right here in
the midst of everything.
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And I'm sure he'd know
things I'd never know.
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I'd never met Calvin,
but you know, Charlie,
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due to his drinking, was pretty well
known to the law enforcement in the area.
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Probably if he'd have been the only one
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that came in reporting the
abduction, they probably
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would have just laughed at him.
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But Calvin, no, he, you know, straight up,
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not a drinker at all
is what I understand.
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And that lent a lot
of credence to it.
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When inside the Sheriff's
Department, the two men
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were taken to separate
interrogation rooms where they
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were questioned on what had happened.
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They kept saying, well,
Calvin, you can tell the truth now.
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You won't be in no trouble right now.
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00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,800
But if we keep on, you're
going to be, this is a hoax.
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You're going to be
in a lot of trouble.
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00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,800
Of course, it wasn't no hoax,
so I wouldn't tell them nothing.
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00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,960
Whilst Calvin stayed
quiet, Charles was in the
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other room relaying his story
of abduction to the police.
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00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,200
You know, you see something
like that, it’ll scare you to death!
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And I couldn’t believe it.
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00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,280
And, you know, you think you’re dreaming
about something like that, you know.
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And Calvin just-he
went hysterical, you know.
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I was scared to death.
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Two of ‘em just floated around behind me
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and lifted me off the ground.
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00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,160
You said they had some kind
of instrument on you, didn’t you?
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Some kind of instrument
I don’t know what it was.
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00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,120
I’ve seen instruments, but I’ve never seen,
nothing like that before in my life.
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There ain’t no way to describe it.
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It didn’t try to communicate with you?
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It looked like an eye.
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You know, like a big eye.
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Unsurprisingly, it was hard
for the police department
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to believe what they were being told.
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00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,400
The story of two men being abducted by
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aliens felt more like a Hollywood
movie plot than a real life event.
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00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:16,240
I personally never saw
any physical evidence for
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me to be convinced to believe it.
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00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,920
I'm not saying it's not true.
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I'm talking about me.
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Unconvinced by their
story, the police devised a
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plan to get the men to
admit that this was all a hoax.
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They set up a secret audio recorder in
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an interrogation room and
sent both Calvin and Charles in.
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00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,560
And they wanted to
hear us talk to each other.
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They thought we'd laugh and
tell how we got off on them.
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But neither the sheriff
nor his deputies could
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have imagined what would come next.
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I never heard it, but I understand it
would stand a hair upon the back of
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your head.
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The way they were talking,
it was, it was no scam.
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They were scared to death.
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(dramatic music)
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All I remember is just a blur.
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Just like you looked
through that wall right
477
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,440
there, I seen a ghost or
something come through.
478
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,800
I don’t know where-I
was just so scared or what.
479
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,880
When we get through us,
we'll go by the perimeter.
480
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,600
I'll get you something to settle you
down so you can get some damn sleep.
481
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,160
I can't sleep yet like it is.
I’m just damn near crazy.
482
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,680
I remember my arms, they
just froze up just like that.
483
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,560
I couldn't move. Just like I
stepped on a damn ratlesnake.
484
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,280
I paralyzed right there.
485
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,760
They were surprised
when they heard us talking.
486
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,160
You know, Calvin's literally
crawling up the walls, almost crying.
487
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,440
I think he says a
prayer at one point.
488
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,560
And it was that that convinced the sheriff
489
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,360
and his deputy that something,
something, you know,
490
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,840
unusual had happened
to these two gentlemen.
491
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,040
They weren't lying.
492
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:49,080
They weren't hoaxing.
493
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,080
You know, it's a powerful
piece of evidence.
494
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,920
It really is.
495
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,320
(dramatic music)
496
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,840
I'm Dr. Irina Scott.
497
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,400
I'm an investigator of the Pascagoula case.
498
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,440
I've been investigating some
aspects of it since about the 1980s.
499
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:34,400
There was a big supply of mysteries
in 1973 in the fall, much more than at
500
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,920
any normal time.
501
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,120
And so Pascagoula wasn't
exactly strange because it
502
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,840
was happening all over the country.
503
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,760
In UFO circles, we
use a term called a flap.
504
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,600
And basically what a flap is, is a
505
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:59,560
high concentration of UFO
sightings from a particular
506
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:04,080
area or geographical
location over a certain period
507
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,000
of time, like an increase
in reported sightings.
508
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:14,080
And 1973 was the
year of such a flap.
509
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,440
One of these reports was
coming from over 200 miles away.
510
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,640
And this one was just as strange and
511
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,440
extraordinary as Charles
and Calvin's encounter.
512
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,960
I don't know if it was the same
craft or it was a different craft, but
513
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,760
it did happen that same night.
514
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,000
There were constant sightings
being reported from California,
515
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:46,280
through Oklahoma, through Texas,
through Missouri, through Arkansas,
516
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,400
that there was a good chance if we
went out, we would see something.
517
00:32:52,920 --> 00:33:00,200
And not be knowns to me, that night
happened to be October 11th, 1973.
518
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:08,280
I told my friend, if we go out
tonight, we may see something.
519
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,760
So we went way out away from the
town where we live, away from the city
520
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,520
lights.
521
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,640
There was no distractions.
522
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,560
We ended up way, way out in the
523
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,160
countryside, where there
was an abundance of cow
524
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,400
pastures and no paved
roads, just gravel roads.
525
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,640
And we stopped on the gravel
road in the middle of nowhere.
526
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:39,360
We got out of the car and I
looked up and there was a red light
527
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,200
and it was moving from
west to east across the sky.
528
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,160
All of a sudden it stopped and it
529
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,160
turned a green, an emerald green with no
530
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:52,920
sound.
531
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:59,120
And it started to come down on
an angle, about a 45 degree angle.
532
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:06,600
When we came up the other side, it
was coming down across the road and it
533
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,720
turned yellow in front of us.
534
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,240
I told my friend, drive faster.
535
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:16,600
He was driving so fast, it was like
we were hydroplaning on the gravel.
536
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,360
I told my friend, blink
your lights off and on.
537
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,160
He said, it looked like
something dropped out of it.
538
00:34:25,240 --> 00:34:27,440
It turned purple and I didn't see that.
539
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:29,000
He stopped the car.
540
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,400
We got out of the car.
541
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,760
We were on the
side of the road again.
542
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,000
There was a ditch and a fence.
543
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,680
There was another cow pasture.
544
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,840
And this, whatever it was, was above that
545
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,640
cow pasture, no more than 50 yards
from us, not more than 100 feet in the air.
546
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:51,520
And it was pulsating
green, red, orange, green,
547
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,160
red, orange in the most vibrant colors.
548
00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,880
It has the ability to change colors.
549
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:06,360
And you couldn't make out the shape of
the craft because when the red would go,
550
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,000
the orange is there.
551
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,120
And when the oranges
go, the green was there.
552
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,280
I mean, it was blood
red and emerald green.
553
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,840
It was incredible.
554
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,080
And there wasn't a breeze.
555
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,960
There wasn't a sound.
556
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,560
We were standing in total
darkness, watching this amazing thing.
557
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:27,360
And I'll never forget the words.
558
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,160
I turned to my friend and I said,
559
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,400
you're looking at something
from another world.
560
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,640
Even further afield was
Rosario Nail, who on
561
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:43,960
the same October night in
1973, witnessed something
562
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,680
extraordinary in the night sky.
563
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,360
It still scares me to talk about it.
564
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,960
I mean, I feel my heart rate,
565
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:01,200
you know, picking up and stuff,
because I just don't know what it was.
566
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Her encounter with the
extraterrestrial marked an eerily
567
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,920
similar resemblance to what
Charles and Calvin witnessed.
568
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,720
Were they connected?
569
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,120
Or was it just a coincidence?
570
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,280
I was 20, 21.
571
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,880
I had gone to a girlfriend's house.
572
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:31,720
And so we're sitting on her porch
and it's about, it had gotten dark, so it
573
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,000
was about 8, 39 o'clock.
574
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,760
And in that part of the
country is pitch black.
575
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,280
There's no street lights
because it was very rural.
576
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,400
We were out in the country.
577
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,360
And so when I say we're sitting on
the porch looking at the stars, I mean,
578
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,520
you could see the stars
are brilliant because
579
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,560
there's nothing to interfere with that.
580
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:02,600
So we're sitting there
talking and we're looking up.
581
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,840
And all of a sudden I went, oh,
wow, look, do you see the fallen star?
582
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,640
And I pointed to it.
583
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,520
And she said, yeah, I see it.
584
00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:22,680
Well, then as it's coming down,
then I realized it's going across the sky.
585
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,280
And I'm like, wait, that
can't be a fallen star.
586
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,720
But it was big.
587
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:34,640
And then all of a sudden
three lights emitted from it.
588
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,480
But you could see three
figures coming out of the light.
589
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,440
And I'm like, oh, wow.
590
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,080
Because then I'm
thinking that it's a meteorite
591
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,200
and then it exploded or something.
592
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,840
But what happened next
would prove that whatever
593
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Rosario was looking at, it
definitely wasn't a meteor.
594
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:04,360
But these three separate balls emitted
595
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,760
from it and they went that way, which
596
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:10,960
would have been south.
597
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,160
It comes down and the farther down it
598
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:19,680
comes, I mean, it
literally looked like the sun.
599
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,120
It was that big.
600
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,480
And then when it's coming down, I could
601
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,720
hear dogs in the distance, like
everybody in the country has a dog.
602
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,760
But these dogs were barking like
603
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,000
they were trying
to attack something.
604
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,960
And then it moved across
the sky about that far.
605
00:38:49,720 --> 00:38:51,440
And then it shot straight up.
606
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,480
I mean, like that.
607
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,040
Like, holy crap.
608
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,760
Didn't have any kind of weird feeling
or anything until it went in reverse.
609
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Then I was terrified at that point.
610
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,120
I don't know why.
611
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:15,600
I knew it wasn't normal and it
wasn't a natural phenomenon.
612
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,880
But that's what happened that night.
613
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,880
I did not know at the time, but
the next day in the paper, there was
614
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,400
an article printed about a whole family in
615
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,680
a small community to the
north of where we were standing.
616
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,160
That saw the same object.
617
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,320
Another sighting of a UFO was reported to
618
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,960
the DI, which is the local paper called
619
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,240
the Daily Iberian, by
an area resident Friday.
620
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:52,040
The Iberia is probably about 200 miles to
621
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,640
the west of Pascagoula
in coastal Louisiana.
622
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,880
It would be west of New Orleans.
623
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,160
Curly Miguez Jr. of Lydia said he and
624
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:06,920
his wife, Kenneth Robichaux, and a host of
625
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:11,160
Robichaux neighbors
sighted a UFO Thursday night.
626
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,760
Miguez said he observed what was certain to
627
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,160
be some type of aircraft,
which increased its
628
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:24,040
speed at times, hovered, and
sometimes even zigzagged.
629
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:32,960
1973 was a very busy year for UFO
activity all over the states as well as
630
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:33,640
the world.
631
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,320
And also the interesting
thing about that is
632
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,160
that sometimes these
flaps seem to appear when
633
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,160
there's a lot of geopolitical
things happening.
634
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,160
For example, in 1973,
you had Watergate going
635
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:52,320
on, you had issues with Iran, and
you had the energy crisis was beginning.
636
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,840
All of these things were
happening, and there's
637
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,440
a UFO flap that's sort of underneath it,
638
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,960
under the news of
everything that's going on.
639
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Well, in 1973, if you said you saw
640
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,880
a UFO, you were immediately
considered a crackpot.
641
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,720
You know, yeah, oh, those
crazy people that see UFOs.
642
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,440
Yeah, no, we don't
want to talk to you.
643
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,640
You know, we don't,
well, thank you, see ya.
644
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:21,960
No one wanted to admit
they had seen something.
645
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,680
I didn't admit what I
had seen for years.
646
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,840
I'm J.
647
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:27,520
Michael Long.
648
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,000
I'm a documentary film
producer in Waco, Texas,
649
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,760
but I grew up in Ellisville,
Mississippi, which
650
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,720
is about 90 miles north of Pascagoula.
651
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,680
I was 12 years old when this happened,
652
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,120
and we had gone to Laurel, Mississippi to
653
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,280
Sears, and I bought, I got a football.
654
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,600
By the time we got home, it was
getting dark, and I couldn't get out in
655
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,040
the yard and play with the football,
so I just went out into the street in
656
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,480
front of the house where there was a
657
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,040
streetlight, and I was
throwing the football up
658
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,440
in the air and catching it, and at
one point, I threw the ball up, wind
659
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,640
blew it or whatever, and it landed
over in my yard, so I walked up the
660
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:09,840
little slope, and I reached down to
pick the football up, and as I did, I
661
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:14,880
looked to the north, and there was
this orange ball in the sky, and I didn't
662
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:15,800
know what that was.
663
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:16,920
I mean, I was 12 years old.
664
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,120
I didn't know anything
about UFOs or anything
665
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,760
of that nature, and this ball was moving
666
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,440
very, very slowly, but it was just tracking
667
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,200
across the sky, and I remember, as I
668
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,480
stood there watching it, I was riveted, and
669
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,880
I couldn't move, and I was watching
it, and when it got directly in front, I
670
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,440
remember thinking to
myself that you could put
671
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,120
my mother's car inside
this thing at least twice.
672
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,240
I believe that there was
probably something solid
673
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,760
that was emanating, you
know, illuminating the light,
674
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,680
but it was so bright, it was difficult
675
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,000
to see anything that might have been
inside it, and he said it was like being
676
00:42:54,080 --> 00:43:00,480
in an extremely bright light bulb, and it
677
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,200
continued to drift and drift and
drift until finally it went to the horizon.
678
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,680
It looked like a little star in the
distance, and it went over the horizon, and
679
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,960
it was headed south to the coast.
680
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,320
Whatever it was that J.
681
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,520
Michael saw, it was now heading
in the direction of Pascagoula.
682
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,360
Could it have been the same
thing that Charles and Calvin saw?
683
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,480
The adults were snickering
and joking and laughing
684
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,280
about the two guys in
Pascagoula that claimed
685
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,400
they were abducted by
aliens, and that's when
686
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,920
I, you know, I realized that the night
that what I saw was the same night
687
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,920
that they were abducted.
688
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:42,080
(dramatic music)
689
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,640
By the following morning,
the local press had
690
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,120
a hold of the story, and now Calvin
691
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,200
and Charles' experience
was the talk of Pascagoula.
692
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,400
It was just a few minutes' drive to
the shipyard where we was working.
693
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,800
We pulled up.
694
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,680
There was TV trucks with the
uplinks stuck up in the air and all.
695
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:03,960
There was a bunch of them.
696
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:08,040
The guy that owned
the shipyard said, Calvin
697
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,520
Parker and Charlie
Hickson come to the office.
698
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,720
He said, y'all gonna have to give a press
release or something because we can't
699
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,080
even use the phones, and I
realized then the story was out.
700
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,240
It really hit me.
701
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:24,080
Everybody knew then.
702
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,280
With Charles' and Calvin's story now out in
703
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,880
the open, other eyewitnesses
started to realize that
704
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,320
what they'd seen wasn't an anomaly.
705
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:38,280
It was really exciting up
until I heard on the news.
706
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,160
They called it an alien encounter
that had happened the previous night.
707
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,360
Calvin and Charlie had been abducted.
708
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,200
It was all on the front page.
709
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:53,280
And they described what they saw,
and both seemed to be in a state of shock.
710
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,400
And that's when it really bothered me.
711
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,200
My heart jumped up in my throat.
712
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,440
I'm thinking, you know,
that could have been us.
713
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,040
People were scared.
714
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,880
People were spreading rumors.
715
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,320
For many, the story of Charles Hickson and
716
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,480
Calvin Parker's encounter
with an unknown craft seemed
717
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,120
almost too extraordinary to believe.
718
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,920
But for the two men at the center of
the experience, the ordeal was very real.
719
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,640
Word of their encounter
quickly reached authorities, and
720
00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:30,800
before long, the two men were
summoned to Keesler Air Force Base.
721
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:36,560
It was a step neither man had sought
out, but one they felt compelled to take
722
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,360
as the world around
them began to close in.
723
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,320
Both gents went to Keesler Air
Force Base to be checked for radiation.
724
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,080
The same Keesler Air Force Base on
the night before the tournament got lost.
725
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,080
Daddy told me that they had
people in radiation suits at the gate.
726
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,480
And they not got our counters, but
something they had to detect radiation.
727
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,600
They run it over.
728
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,040
They found a little bit.
729
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,120
You know, why be in radiation suits if
you didn't think something happened?
730
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:12,120
I worked in the oil field, and I worked
around on gamma rays and all that.
731
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,280
Plus, welding puts out a certain amount of
732
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,040
radiation, and I had been welding all day.
733
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,080
They said, all clear.
734
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,560
Everybody pulled their suits off.
735
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,440
They said, some of the brass
wants to see you in the back.
736
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,880
I said, while you're
there, gents, why don't
737
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,440
you sit down and tell us what's happened?
738
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,960
We followed them down the hall.
739
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,000
It seemed like it took hours to get.
740
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,600
It was just a matter of
five minutes, probably.
741
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,880
But it seemed like it took
hours to get walked out hall.
742
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,680
And we opened the door, and there was
743
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,680
all kind of brass in there, which officers.
744
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,440
And it was the police department from every
745
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,480
major city on the coast,
the sheriff's department,
746
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,400
and some of the military brass.
747
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,520
And it was mainly
Charlie talking, you know.
748
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,960
And we know that because we
have a transcript of the meeting.
749
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:17,120
(dramatic music)
750
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:23,480
Charlie was my spokesman by then, and
I let him make the fool, what I thought,
751
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,240
make the fool out of himself.
752
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:29,840
And I'm going to go on, and everybody
forget about me in a day or two,
753
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:30,520
you know.
754
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,800
And that wasn't the case.
755
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,720
Fred Diamond, which was a sheriff, said for
756
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:42,880
us not to leave, that somebody was
there to see us, which was Dr. Heineck and
757
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,960
Dr. Harder.
758
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,160
Of all the men in the UFO
field today, the name of Dr. J.
759
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:49,920
Allen Heineck tops the list.
760
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,040
The former Blue Book
investigator for the Air
761
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,840
Force and current head of the astronomy
department at Northwestern University.
762
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,680
Heineck was over Project Blue Bull,
and he had flown in from California.
763
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,960
How he found out about it and
got there that fast, I don't know.
764
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,560
Because really, it
didn't hit the media until
765
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,680
that same morning, and
he was there that evening.
766
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:20,000
And that was just unheard of, to come
from California that far in a day's time.
767
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,480
Because of his expertise in the field of
768
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,680
UFOs, Dr. Heineck is called to the
scene of every major UFO sighting.
769
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,720
He was summoned to
Pascagoula, Mississippi last October,
770
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,120
hours after two shipyard
workers, Charles Hickson and
771
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,240
Calvin Parker, stumbled
into a sheriff's office and
772
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,520
said they had been taken
aboard a flying saucer.
773
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:45,720
Dr. Heineck really is the one that
got me out of the shell to start with.
774
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,800
I talked to him about it.
775
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:55,600
I would call him, and he would call me
and check on me probably once a week.
776
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,080
Dr. Heineck also talked
about other cases going on.
777
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,680
I guess he was doing that to try to
relax, relax me and get me where
778
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,600
it opened me up and get
me where I would talk about it.
779
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,760
(dramatic music)
780
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,120
But he was a blessing.
781
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,880
It was the only good thing that
come out right when that happened.
782
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:29,560
We got to work that morning, and Dr.
783
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,080
Heineck pulled me in.
784
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,240
Dr. Harder pulled Charlie in.
785
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,200
And then Charlie and I traded spots, and
786
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:42,240
Dr. Harder tried to,
well, he did hypnotize me.
787
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:46,120
No reason to be afraid.
Just tell us what happened.
788
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,280
Three creatures came out of the door.
789
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,920
Scared.
790
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,480
Tried to block it out of my mind.
791
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,200
When this first happened, I would
tell everybody I just passed out.
792
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,080
I didn't know nothing.
793
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:02,320
I didn't remember nothing.
794
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,800
And I couldn't say, you
know, distinctly, because
795
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,640
I was at the point
where I passed out.
796
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,680
Did you get any sensation
at all of hear, or cold?
797
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:15,840
No.
798
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,440
I’m scared.
799
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:23,160
I don't even so much remember
being hypnotized too much.
800
00:50:23,240 --> 00:50:29,680
I know I got chills running up my
spine, and I started shaking real bad.
801
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,160
That's when he brought me out.
802
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,040
I probably wasn't under it for 30 minutes.
803
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:37,680
Just enough to relax.
804
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,440
I remember him tying
balloons to me and floating off.
805
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:42,640
That was about it.
806
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:44,320
(dramatic music)
807
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,000
The ship is gone.
808
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,280
It disappeared.
809
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,840
They keep coming back in my mind.
810
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,560
They just keep coming back in my mind.
811
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,680
This is something that
you’ve got to know about
812
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:09,200
Calvin, it’s not going to be something
that’s going to continuously worry you.
813
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,360
You’re gradually going to get over this.
814
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,280
It brought back some memories, and I guess
815
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,440
he was trying to bring back memories there
816
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,200
that scared me, because I
sure didn't want to remember it.
817
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,840
I believe my subconscious
mind might have blocked
818
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,040
it out, because back
then I couldn't handle it.
819
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:36,120
I mean, I can handle about anything,
and I wasn't scared of nothing, but I was
820
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:37,000
scared of that.
821
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:43,640
I went down to Pascagoula
completely negative, but
822
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,440
I worked with those
men for quite a while.
823
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,840
I listened to tapes that had been taken
824
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,400
where they didn't know
they were being taped.
825
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:59,200
I saw how Charlie behaved under hypnosis,
and finally the lie detector test.
826
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,720
All of those things convinced
me that he was not making it up.
827
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,760
They had an experience, period.
828
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,800
You have to then judge by his past
829
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:11,880
reputation, how he's
regarded in the community.
830
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,720
Would he have any reason to do it?
831
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:15,360
All that sort of thing.
832
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,880
But it’s such a pattern, you
see, that's not an isolated case.
833
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,440
We have a catalog now of
well over 800 such cases.
834
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,920
Charles and Calvin's
story sent Pascagoula into a
835
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,760
frenzy, with hundreds
of people taking to the
836
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,200
streets and beaches to catch a glimpse of
837
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,360
whatever it was that abducted the two men.
838
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,560
And for Bill Gennaro,
his involvement in the
839
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,400
case was about to become
a whole lot more personal.
840
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,000
This was the third day after the abduction.
841
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,760
The west end of the beach, there were,
I don't know, a hundred or more people
842
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,360
for the first two nights.
843
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,000
But on the third night, there was
only two women and a 14-year-old boy.
844
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,720
And I was just, you know, patrolling.
845
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,880
And I pulled up and said, have
you seen any little green men?
846
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,080
I mean, we got a laugh.
847
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,960
And then the 14-year-old
pointed and said, what's that?
848
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:20,120
(dramatic music)
849
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:21,680
Got out and started looking.
850
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,880
Looked like a blue cigar.
851
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,840
And I noticed a reflection off
the water, some hazy blue light.
852
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,600
Basically, there was no
other shape to it than that.
853
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,000
We were watching it.
854
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,960
And it was there for a couple minutes.
855
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,000
And then it headed west in an arc.
856
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,680
It came to rest 180 degrees behind us,
857
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,640
where the abduction was
supposed to have happened.
858
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:51,840
And we watched it for a little bit.
859
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,200
Then it came back 90
degrees west and went gone.
860
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,840
Now, it made no sound.
861
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,240
There were no flashing lights.
862
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,960
Weather balloons don't fly that way.
863
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,680
Helicopters make noise.
864
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,080
I don't know what it was.
865
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,920
I didn't think of any other reason
for them to be in that area except to
866
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,960
be looking for somebody else to pick up.
867
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:19,160
Women wanted a report.
868
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,640
And I said, I'll tell you what.
869
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:23,880
You come to the station
with me and tell the captain.
870
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:25,720
Then I'll write a report.
871
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:27,360
And I did.
872
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,440
And the procedure at the time was that
873
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:38,520
the media did not get reports
until the clerks cleared it.
874
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,920
Unfortunately, one of the
newspaper reporters got there
875
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,440
early and grabbed the reports.
876
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,000
And when it hit the
paper, I had to hide.
877
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,560
I was dodging media left and right.
878
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,320
The chief obviously was not overly happy.
879
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,560
And his opinion was, keep your
eyes on the ground, don't look up.
880
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,800
Whatever it was Bill Gennaro saw was eerily
881
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,760
similar to what Charles
and Calvin had experienced
882
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,120
just three nights previously.
883
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:19,000
Something strange was happening
in Pascagoula and nobody knew why.
884
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,000
Amid the growing frenzy
of eyewitness accounts and
885
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:27,520
widespread speculation,
Dr. Heinecke decided to visit the
886
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:30,680
site where Charles and Calvin
had reported their abduction.
887
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,680
But by the time he arrived, the
location had already been overrun.
888
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,640
He wanted to go to the
site to see what it was.
889
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,600
I didn't walk on the site with
him, but I went out there anyway.
890
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,240
And I remember him being mad because the
891
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,680
police department
didn't have it ribboned off.
892
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,360
The site was now contaminated,
littered with footprints,
893
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,520
disturbances and signs of human activity.
894
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,320
Whatever clues the original
scene might have held
895
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,760
were lost, making it even
harder to separate fact from fiction.
896
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,840
And people were stomping all over there.
897
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,720
Reporters was all over it.
898
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,400
The law enforcement was all
over it trying to get the reporters off.
899
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,160
(dramatic music)
900
00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,360
Kids had rode a bicycle over there.
901
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,920
And I remember the law running them off.
902
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:30,400
And later on, way down the road,
one of the kids that rode the bicycle had
903
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:37,000
told me about, they went over and
seen a spot on the ground where this thing
904
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:37,720
had landed.
905
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:43,280
With another eyewitness coming
forward, albeit decades later,
906
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:48,240
the story of Charles and Calvin's
encounter was becoming harder to dismiss.
907
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:53,400
(dramatic music)
908
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,960
My whole name is
Bratton Claybrook Caldwell.
909
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:00,560
I go by Clay Caldwell.
910
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,000
I was born here in Pasco, Mississippi.
911
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,320
My father was an attorney at
Ingalls Shipbuilding at the time.
912
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,840
He had got a phone call.
913
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,920
I suppose they were
concerned about the fact
914
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,400
that two men had been abducted by a
915
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:19,640
UFO and had reported that, that
worked there at the Ingalls Shipbuilding.
916
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,520
My mother was sitting there and she was
917
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,040
like, what, you know, what are they saying?
918
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:24,720
What are they saying?
919
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,600
You know, so he was explaining to my
920
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,120
mother, well, it happened down there at the
921
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:32,120
river, at the little fishing pier,
just south of the drawbridge.
922
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,480
So immediately I knew where he was talking
923
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,840
about because we used to
go fishing ourselves as kids.
924
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:44,960
That Friday, I spoke with some of
my friends and said, hey, do y'all want
925
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,360
to go see where the aliens landed?
926
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,760
Would y'all like to go see that?
927
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,360
You know, I know where it is.
928
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,880
One or two of them were like,
yeah, but what if something happens?
929
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,160
You know, they come get us.
930
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,160
What if they, what if they're still there?
931
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,280
And then it started coming up,
what if they dropped something?
932
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,240
You know, so as kids, we're thinking,
oh, we're going to find a ray gun or
933
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,000
we're going to find something
from another planet, you know?
934
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,840
So that's what we did.
935
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,680
And we knew we had to be quick.
936
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:16,080
We had to be fast because we knew
that, you know, if this was ever found
937
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,960
out, we're in hot water.
938
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:21,360
So we got out there
to where the pier was.
939
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,120
We kind of scattered around all on the
ground, went out on the pier, you know,
940
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,680
looking, we're looking for
anything that, you know,
941
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,240
may have been left by an alien.
942
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:35,440
And we decided, you
know, well, where did it land?
943
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:41,640
We decided, well, let's go out here
and look in the weeds and the tall grass
944
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:42,640
and stuff, you know?
945
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,240
I say I used to go out
in the woods all the time.
946
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:50,400
I wasn't scared to go out in a
little bit of tall grass and weeds.
947
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,000
So we made our way through.
948
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,000
And I'll just never forget.
949
00:58:56,160 --> 00:59:00,040
It was just a feeling
when we first saw it.
950
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,760
We were like, whoa.
951
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:06,920
(dramatic music)
952
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:14,200
It was about a 30 foot, 25, 30
953
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,800
foot wide circle of
nothing all of a sudden.
954
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:22,520
It was just flat.
955
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,240
You would have had to gone in
and just cut literally with scissors.
956
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,280
Something so sharp.
957
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:32,800
I've never been able to imagine what kind
958
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,200
of machine could do that
and leave nothing behind.
959
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,120
You know, it's not like it was just
960
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,360
pushed over, like something
just landed on top of it.
961
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:49,320
It was like, it's though something came
from above and just removed everything.
962
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,600
We just kind of never really talked
about it because we didn't want to get in
963
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,760
trouble from being somewhere
we weren't supposed to be.
964
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:04,080
And over the years as I grew older
and up, you know, I never really even
965
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:09,640
told my wife about all this until
that day we were going to go see this
966
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,360
Platte that was being put at the river.
967
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,920
And on the way, I
opened up to her.
968
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,760
Oh, I'm sorry.
969
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,440
But it kind of disturbs me.
970
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,280
It's like anything else you've held
inside of you for all these years.
971
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,200
And I didn't expect to do this.
972
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,480
For Clay Caldwell, his memory of what he
973
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:04,640
saw that day had lingered unresolved,
a burden he carried alone for decades.
974
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,000
His story, like so many others tied to
975
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,800
the Pascagoula abduction,
was a reminder of how
976
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,440
deeply this event affected
those who came close to it.
977
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:21,080
Pascagoula was just
beginning to settle back into
978
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,720
normalcy after the chaos
of the abduction story.
979
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,240
The town was still
buzzing with speculation,
980
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,440
but life had started to move on.
981
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:36,000
And then, just weeks
later, another strange event
982
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,880
shook the community when
a mysterious object was
983
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,640
reportedly seen in the waters nearby.
984
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:48,800
Three little boats gone
out fishing and they
985
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,640
see something under the water.
986
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,360
It's circular.
987
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,000
It's illuminated.
988
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,000
It was segmented.
989
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,480
They said it looked like one of
the old-fashioned parachutes.
990
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:00,920
It was segmented.
991
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,080
And they got so close to it that
they could hit it with an oar and
992
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:05,960
it went plunk.
993
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,280
And one of those
fishermen, there's only one
994
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:13,000
of that party that went
out that night still alive.
995
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:14,840
There was eight, I believe, all together.
996
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:16,120
This chap called the old Ryan.
997
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,800
We know what we see at night.
998
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:24,240
And my daddy, he was going to go
down to the dock and look down and
999
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:25,440
see what was going on.
1000
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,080
He was going to
tell them what it was.
1001
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,000
And he kept poking that, poking that.
1002
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,280
It sounded like it
hit a piece of metal.
1003
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,920
That's when the light went off.
1004
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,560
So we went down to come and
get back out there and work with that.
1005
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,680
Then they got to pull
the light went off again.
1006
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:50,320
It is a very bizarre sighting,
if you like, in its own right.
1007
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,040
But this happened
again just after the events
1008
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,840
in question with Charlie and Calvin
in the same part of the river, but just a
1009
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,040
little bit further out.
1010
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,600
And fortunately, there
is a photograph of all
1011
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:08,720
those present, all the civilians
that was taken by the Coast Guard.
1012
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,840
They've lined them up on the
side, taken a photograph of them.
1013
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,160
And the good thing for us, although their
1014
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,640
names are mentioned in
the documents, the names
1015
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,120
are all on the back of the photograph.
1016
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,680
(dramatic music)
1017
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
The U.S. Navy were
brought in the next day.
1018
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:31,040
They sent a gentleman and Mr. Ryan Hill.
1019
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:33,960
Ryan, one of the witnesses showed
him where the incident happened.
1020
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,560
And he said that the Navy were going
to look into it and issue a full report.
1021
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,160
But some Naval workers aboard a ship on
1022
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:46,240
the Pascagoula River had already
experienced something similar.
1023
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,720
I had top secret clearance
when I was in the Navy.
1024
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,080
And this is one reason why I
never talked about it in the Navy.
1025
01:03:53,440 --> 01:04:00,680
We could see six spherical,
shiny, silver, metallic
1026
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,800
-looking, aluminum-looking objects
in the water under the surface.
1027
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,800
We're traveling about, I would have to say,
1028
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:11,760
35 to 40 knots.
1029
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,400
They were traveling at a
very rapid rate of speed.
1030
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:18,000
They came from a
southeasterly point, came to
1031
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,320
the northwest and curved
right up into the river.
1032
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:27,280
And then when they came back out,
I assumed it was the same six, but six
1033
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,880
more came back out and
they went straight into the gulf.
1034
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,240
And from our vantage point here, we saw
1035
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,360
them, detected them when
they were right about here.
1036
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:39,640
And like I said, it was only a few
minutes before they were out of sight
1037
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,960
as they were traveling
extremely, extremely rapid.
1038
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:47,560
That night, the Coast Guard
saw objects just like we did.
1039
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:52,880
A lot of the fishermen out in the gulf
that had seen them described the same
1040
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,120
exact type of craft.
1041
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:59,040
So it's a powerful, powerful
batch of evidence, if you like.
1042
01:04:59,120 --> 01:05:02,800
If you were just looking at this
case on its own, it'd be, wow, this is
1043
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:03,560
fascinating.
1044
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:07,840
But of course, it comes in the wake of
what happened just a few weeks earlier.
1045
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,360
The mystery of what
happened in Pascagoula in
1046
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:16,400
1973 remains unsolved to this day.
1047
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:20,680
Decades later, the
questions linger, but with all
1048
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,800
the eyewitnesses and the
compelling accounts that have
1049
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:29,360
come out over the years, the events in
Pascagoula stand out as one of the most
1050
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,880
credible and fascinating
glimpses into the unknown, offering
1051
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,880
a story that continues to
captivate and challenge
1052
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,200
our understanding of the world around us.
1053
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:45,280
Whatever happened in 1973,
the shared experiences of
1054
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,840
the residents of Pascagoula
and those who witnessed
1055
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,440
things further afield will
connect them forever.
1056
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,600
(dramatic music)
1057
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,400
And while Calvin Parker's
story may have seemed
1058
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,400
increasingly plausible as
more and more witnesses came
1059
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,320
forward over the years,
the truth remained that
1060
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:12,480
his life could never truly
return to what it once was.
1061
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,800
I had my plan for life.
1062
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:22,400
When I was 18 years old, I had everything
planned out the way that I wanted.
1063
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,160
And I've always said I was gonna get
1064
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:30,320
married, buy a house, have
children, have grandchildren, retired.
1065
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,160
And that was a simple life.
1066
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,080
That's all I wanted.
1067
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:38,560
Since this happened, I chased the media.
1068
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:40,920
The media's chased me.
1069
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:45,720
Uh, they're set up at
night and wonder why.
1070
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,360
Or worry about this stuff.
1071
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,720
And your worrying brings on sickness.
1072
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:58,840
And I really believe, uh,
you can worry yourself sick.
1073
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,160
And I think that's so
much wrong with me.
1074
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,880
So I wanted my life to be stable.
1075
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,880
I wanted my marriage to be stable.
1076
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,800
And it is now.
1077
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,320
And, uh, I got a great family.
1078
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,480
I got a wonderful wife, wonderful kids.
1079
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,040
Uh, wonderful son-in-law.
1080
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,080
And everything's stable now.
1081
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:31,480
Then I got sick.
1082
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,480
So another curveball comes in.
1083
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,400
So it's just something
you have to deal with.
1084
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,560
And I'm making plans now for them.
1085
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,240
I'm not planning for myself because
I don't feel like I'm gonna be around.
1086
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:48,600
Nobody never knows.
1087
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:54,680
But, uh, I don't want to leave this whole
world and leave everybody in a bind.
1088
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,400
I don't want to owe nobody nobody.
1089
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:58,440
I don't want to lie.
1090
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:06,800
And to do right by your family and
friends and to live by your conscience.
1091
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,920
(dramatic music)
1092
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,000
No, I'm not afraid of it at all.
1093
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,120
Everybody's gonna die.
1094
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:17,560
So I'm not scared of dying.
1095
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:22,600
I wouldn't be sitting here
fixing to die and lying about it all.
1096
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,760
So anyhow, I want to say goodbye
and goodnight to everybody.
1097
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:31,920
Everybody, goodnight.
1098
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,200
And I hope y'all enlightened somehow.
1099
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:41,360
(dramatic music)
1100
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:18,680
(dramatic music)
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