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Joel: In 1993,
the Unabomber reappears.
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He's been gone a long time,
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and he wants to make sure
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that everyone realizes
he's back.
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Newsreader: And the FBI says
that a letter bomb
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was mailed to the home
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of one this country's foremost
geneticists.
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He is in critical condition
tonight in Northern California.
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It's a rather large shock.
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People had gotten used
to the idea
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that the Unabomber would never
be heard from again.
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And all of a sudden,
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he's not just back,
but he is back in a big way.
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Newsreader: Dr. Epstein,
a genetics researcher
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at the University of California
San Francisco,
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has made advances in the study
of Down's Syndrome.
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And who could blame him?
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He lost his eardrums
and fingers to this guy
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just because he was doing
his job,
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trying to help humanity.
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Newsreader: Investigators say
they found no link
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between the attack
and Epstein's work.
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As a reporter,
I talked to Epstein,
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and Dr. Epstein, in particular,
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was mad till the day he died,
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and I don't blame him
one tiny bit.
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Newsreader: The letter bomb
went off at 8:30 this morning
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at Yale's computer science
center.
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38-year-old associate professor
David Gelernter
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was opening his mail
in his fifth-floor office
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when the letter bomb exploded.
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So now you have two devices,
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one goes to a geneticist,
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the other goes to a computer
science professor
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at Yale University.
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The historical significance
of the case
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is not lost on people.
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There's been nothing like this
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in FBI history.
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Newsreader: The two attacks
this week
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have raised fears
that a serial bomber
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blamed for a dozen explosions
in the late '70s and '80s
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may be back at work.
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Overnight,
the decision is made
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to reinvigorate
the investigation
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by putting a lot of resources
into it.
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They're getting thousands
of tips.
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Nut cases, kinda nut cases,
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people you take somewhat
seriously,
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and then ones who think,
"Wow, maybe you got a point."
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It's exhausting.
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We're taking in so much
information,
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what if something gets past us?
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That was the fear we live,
we live with all the time;
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that the answer has come to us
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and we've passed it by.
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* Man,
now what has been done *
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* Man can't stand himself *
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* Or where he's told
that he belong *
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* Man don't understand *
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* Man blames everyone *
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* Everyone under the sun *
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* Tell me what has Man become *
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* Man can't help himself *
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* Don't know where he can run *
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* Man can't run for help *
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* Can't stand anybody else *
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* Man don't know
where he's from *
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* Don't know where he belong *
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* Now would Man trade tomorrow *
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* For a time long forgotten *
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Ted: No. It was
simply anger and revenge
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and I was...
was going to strike back.
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Try not to get blown up.
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* Man don't understand *
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* What has man become *
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Newsreader: Local, State,
and Federal investigators
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continue to work around
the clock
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collecting evidence
from the blast.
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FBI Agent: I would imagine
it would be
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a relatively quick
determination from residue
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that we can tell what kind
of explosive was involved.
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He's now using a chlorate
mixture that he's created
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which no longer requires a pipe
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to contain it.
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So, it explodes on its own
once it's initiated.
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We have an announcement
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of a piece of evidence
in the case
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which has never been made
public before.
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The New York Times receives
a letter
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from the Unabomber.
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Rather short -it's a double
spaced paragraph,
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not a lot of words -
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claiming credit
for these bombings.
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Investigators at the time
have hopes
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that it will provide some clues.
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So, you have the typeface,
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what kind of typewriter
wrote this?
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Where did the paper come from?
Can you figure that out?
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Is the paper significant
in some way?
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Where it was mailed?
The type of stamps?
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Is there any DNA under the flap
of the envelope?
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Are there any fingerprints
on the paper
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or on the envelope?
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None of that,
there's none of that.
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There's no good forensic
evidence.
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What there is, on this letter,
is indented writing.
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The sort of impressions
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which are created by writing
on a surface
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with a piece of paper
under that surface,
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so you've left no ink marks
or pencil marks,
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but you've left an indentation.
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"Call Nathan R.
Wednesday, 7pm."
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This is taken by
the investigators
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as a mistake that
the Unabomber has made.
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Finally, he has made a mistake.
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If any members of the public
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know a Nathan R.
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Or have any idea as to who
that person might be
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and in what context,
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that information would be
of critical importance for us.
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We were looking for
Nathan R.'s everywhere.
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It was crazy.
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All the task force has to do
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is find every single one
of them,
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and one of them will know
who the Unabomber is.
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Because he's going to receive
a phone call,
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on Wednesday at 7pm.
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How hard can this be, right?
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Well, it's tremendously hard.
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Um...
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there are a lot of people
named Nathan R.
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So, you go calling
and, you know,
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you've chased down
15 different ways
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of getting to a Nathan R.
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Finally, you knock on the door
and the guy says,
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you know, "Who are you?
I don't care. Get lost."
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It's... there's a lot of that
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when you're doing a story
like this.
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Every Nathan R.
That they could find,
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and there are thousands of them.
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We had them all interviewed
to ask these questions.
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It didn't lead to a solution.
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There's a sense that
he's fooling them.
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He's eluding them.
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He's toying with them
and taunting them.
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The pressure that the task
force is under
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is increased by these taunts.
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Right over there
was Ted's 10 by 12 cabin.
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Again, very rustic, very simple,
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just wood cabin, no electricity,
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no running water,
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uh, with a green roof.
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It's a bit haunting,
every time I come back here.
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I've never felt peaceful.
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I mean, we're surrounded
by beautiful trees,
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and the birds are chirping,
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but I have never,
I would never use that word
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to describe how I feel
in this spot.
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Not... not peaceful.
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You know, a lot of people
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that have perpetrated
a single murder,
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uh, regret it for the rest
of their life
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and-and will never kill again.
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What makes the serial killer
so particularly fascinating
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is they've gone through
the trauma of killing someone
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and are addicted to it
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and are ready to do it again
and again and again.
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The investigators
are picking up
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that this is an anarchist
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who doesn't like environmental
decimation,
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doesn't like people
who-who shill
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for anti-environmentalist
causes.
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Newsreader: Investigators say
it was a package
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sent through the mail
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about the size of a home video
cassette.
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It killed 50-year-old
Thomas Mosser,
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a senior advertising executive
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at one of the largest
ad agencies in the world.
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He opens it in his kitchen,
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where his wife and young
daughter had been
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standing next to him
just moments before,
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uh, and he's killed instantly
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by the very significant blast
at this point.
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We are all today determined
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to end the death and destruction
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that these random bombings
have wrought.
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The pressure to solve it
is immense.
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Desperate is perhaps a...
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a fair word at that point.
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Unabomb hotline.
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Newsreader: So far thousands
of tips
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phoned into the San Francisco
Unabomb Taskforce
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have led nowhere.
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And a one-million-dollar reward
hasn't helped either.
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The phones are ringing
constantly.
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We are getting thousands
of calls from the public.
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David: We don't watch TV much.
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Um, the first time I ever heard
the term "Unabomber"
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was in December of 1994,
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when the front page
of our newspaper
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said that the Unabomber,
whoever that was,
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had struck again and killed
an advertising executive
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by the name of Thomas Mosser
in New Jersey.
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But I'd never heard the term
before.
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Ted came down here once,
didn't he?
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No.
-He never came here.
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No, I remember him once
planning to come.
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He even told me he had
a bus ticket
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and that he was going
to arrive on a certain day,
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and then he decided not to come,
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and he said he had too much
to do.
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And of course, I'm thinking,
too much to do?
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I mean, come on, Ted.
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What do you have to do?
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And of course, at that time,
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I didn't know how...
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what he meant.
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He and I had never met.
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I have still never met him.
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I have never, as far as I know,
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talked to him over the phone
or anything like that.
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He didn't like me.
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He didn't want David
to marry me.
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He was really furious,
I guess, about the wedding
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and, of course, he didn't come.
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And he wrote a letter
that was very...
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very aggressive.
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Oh, it was really awful.
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I had never met the guy
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and nobody could understand
why Ted was threatening
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to break connection with Dave.
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Every time David and his mother
got together,
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they sat there for hours
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talking about Ted.
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His mother was very worried
about it
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because Ted had cut
relationships to his mother.
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So that's how I began
to pick up the sense
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that he was... unusual,
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and perhaps mentally...
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you know, different.
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Linda was the first one
to tell me.
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Reading some of my brother's
letters,
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hearing family conversation,
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she says, "David, your
brother's mentally ill,
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you know that, don't you?"
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And I said, "Wait a second, you
don't really understand him.
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He's a genius, he's different.
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He's ba-blah-blah..."
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"David, look at this,
people who are healthy
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in their minds
don't think like this."
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His basic argument is that
technology is a system
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that we really cannot control.
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It's causing harm to people
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and the environment.
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The stresses will increase
on humans and on nature,
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and there's no way to modify
or to reform the system
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so as to avoid these negative
outcomes.
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His conclusion is the system
has to be brought to an end.
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We have to have a kind of
revolution against the system,
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and to stop it
before it can uh...
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lead to these catastrophic
outcomes.
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In 1995, the Unabomber
sends another letter
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to the New York Times.
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It's three pages of single
spaced typewriting.
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It takes credit
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for the bombing of
Thomas Mosser,
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and he is indicating
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that this will continue
"unless".
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There's now a, a deal
that's being offered.
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Newsreader: The bomber says
he'll desist
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from terrorist activities
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only if major publications
print a manuscript
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advocating the destruction
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of the worldwide industrial
system.
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He says the written document
that he wants published
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will be coming forth shortly.
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Newsreader: The so-called
Unabomber has now spoken out
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and taunted the FBI,
calling it a joke.
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In the letter he refers
to the FBI as a joke.
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This is somewhat echoing
sentiments
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that are coming from political
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and media and public circles.
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He apparently has jumped on
that bandwagon as well.
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Newsreader: The mysterious
Unabomber is claiming
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to be part of a group,
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quote "The FBI has tried to
portray these bombings
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as the work of an isolated nut.
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We won't waste our time arguing
about whether we are nuts,
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but we certainly are not
isolated."
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He claims to be a group
called "FC"
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and he's always very clear
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to make sure that his bombs
contain FC
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somewhere in there
where the FC will be found
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stamped onto a piece of metal,
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or etched onto a piece of metal,
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in other words,
intended to survive.
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The Unabomber suggested
that part of his motivation
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had to do with concerns
about the environment
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to try to portray himself as,
perhaps,
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some sort of environmental
crusader.
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Around the same time,
there were environmental groups
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which advocated radical
solutions
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to their concerns.
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So, it was somewhat
of a logical extension
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that he get the task force
to consider
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that perhaps he was associated
with groups like that.
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Because there was always this
idea of FC
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and the Freedom Club,
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I think that the Feds believed
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that there were more people
involved
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than Kaczynski himself.
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And so, they were really
interested
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in letting me in there
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and letting us talk freely
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so that they could gauge
whether or not
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Kaczynski was connected
in any way
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to any of us in Earth First!
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Earth First! has been
an organization,
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from its beginning,
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that has been dedicated
to action.
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Everything from,
you know, tree sitting,
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and other types of
monkeywrenching,
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and had been under suspicion
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of being tied to radical
environmental terrorism.
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Yeah, the '90s was a trip.
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Soon had this slow progression
of radicalism.
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And for me,
I noticed it up at a...
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the mountains east of town,
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and the Earth Firsters were
trying to protect
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this forest up there,
which they did.
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And these Earth Firsters
created a, a blockade
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to prevent loggers
from coming in,
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and they won.
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Newsreader: In the eyes of
the forest service,
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this is destruction of
government property,
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a federal offence,
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and some critics are even
calling these protesters
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domestic terrorists.
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Man: Don't move your truck!
Shut your truck off, man!
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Woman: There's an old woman,
she's 80 years old!
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80-years-old woman locked
to the back of your truck
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and you're gonna kill her.
Man: He's not turning it off!
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He knows someone's locked under!
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And then when Ted came along,
or the Unabomber,
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and started, you know, killing
people that were responsible
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for some of this kind of
behavior
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that these kids didn't like,
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I think they found somebody
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that they could respect
a little bit
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and could understand why
he was doing it.
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Protestors: * This land
is my land *
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* This land is your land *
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Newsreader: The FBI
is investigating
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whether the Unabomber used this
so-called ecological hitlist
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to select some of his recent
victims.
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The list published in 1990
in an underground newsletter
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is made up of 11 companies
and organizations
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that the publisher of the paper
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apparently considered enemies
of the environment.
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People in the anarchist
community,
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they're liking the philosophy
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that they're seeing reflected
in this.
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Killing innocent people walking
down lonely roads,
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that's one thing.
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Killing people with a
political, philosophical bent,
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this had resonance.
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Operator: Attention all units!
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Newsreader: 20 minutes after 2,
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the calm of this sunny day
in downtown Sacramento
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is shattered...
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Joel: It's a terrible,
terrible bombing scene.
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Woman: Let me take you
somewhere.
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It's hard to describe,
really, the effects
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that such a thing has on a,
a person,
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00:23:21,233 --> 00:23:24,284
but it was, it was really awful.
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Um...
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Uh, I'll reserve saying anymore
for the sake of the victim
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and the victim's families,
but...
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Newsreader: Gilbert Murray,
the president
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of the California Forestry
Association,
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is the third person to be
killed by the Unabomber.
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It's the Unabomber.
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It's creepy and it's current
386
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and it's from a killer
who has not been caught
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for more than a decade.
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00:23:50,721 --> 00:23:53,181
Another kind of terror -
mailbombs.
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Officials are warning
everyone to be on guard.
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00:23:55,808 --> 00:23:57,769
The most wanted criminal
in America
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is still the Unabomber.
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00:24:00,272 --> 00:24:02,782
You have to wonder,
"Am I next?"
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00:24:02,816 --> 00:24:05,645
Is he gonna send a, you know,
a pipe bomb to the Chronicle
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00:24:05,693 --> 00:24:08,864
because we're reflecting
technology
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00:24:08,905 --> 00:24:10,405
and capitalism,
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00:24:10,448 --> 00:24:12,157
and big business?
397
00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:13,661
I'm feeling every package.
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Every parcel that comes in,
399
00:24:15,621 --> 00:24:18,040
you check for wires,
400
00:24:18,082 --> 00:24:19,393
you check for a little bit
of oil.
401
00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:20,826
You smell it.
402
00:24:20,875 --> 00:24:23,455
Has it got a little gunpowder
smell to it?
403
00:24:23,502 --> 00:24:24,883
You press down on it.
404
00:24:24,922 --> 00:24:26,971
Has it got uneven lumps
405
00:24:27,007 --> 00:24:29,507
that could be the match-head
igniters?
406
00:24:29,550 --> 00:24:32,760
Could be explosive loads.
407
00:24:32,805 --> 00:24:35,384
You're very careful about
packages like that.
408
00:25:08,798 --> 00:25:10,969
The newsroom gets a letter
from the Unabomber
409
00:25:11,009 --> 00:25:13,799
saying that he's going
to blow up an airliner
410
00:25:13,846 --> 00:25:15,306
in L.A.
411
00:25:15,347 --> 00:25:18,307
So, we take this thing into
the editorial office,
412
00:25:18,351 --> 00:25:20,060
everyone looks at it.
413
00:25:20,102 --> 00:25:23,021
We're wondering what this
next step is.
414
00:25:23,063 --> 00:25:24,563
Do you print this stuff?
415
00:25:24,605 --> 00:25:26,066
Are you going to be uh...
416
00:25:27,317 --> 00:25:29,817
an ad paper for a killer?
417
00:25:31,321 --> 00:25:33,241
We call the FBI.
418
00:25:33,281 --> 00:25:35,531
They come over.
They look at it.
419
00:25:35,575 --> 00:25:38,865
It's pretty quickly determined
that it's the real thing.
420
00:25:38,912 --> 00:25:40,791
Further examination
has confirmed
421
00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:43,750
that this letter originates
from the Unabomber subject.
422
00:25:45,085 --> 00:25:47,295
So, do you take him seriously
423
00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:49,087
or do you blow it off?
424
00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:52,094
We decided to print.
425
00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:56,760
There was a suggestion by
the postal service
426
00:25:56,805 --> 00:25:58,765
to simply not carry packages
anymore.
427
00:25:58,807 --> 00:26:00,846
They weren't willing
to put them in airplanes.
428
00:26:00,893 --> 00:26:03,442
And that added tremendously
429
00:26:03,479 --> 00:26:06,898
to the already unbelievable
amount of pressure
430
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:08,190
on the task force
431
00:26:08,233 --> 00:26:09,903
to solve this case.
432
00:26:09,942 --> 00:26:12,282
You can't have the mail
in the United States
433
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,111
come to a halt.
434
00:26:14,155 --> 00:26:15,276
It's almost inconceivable.
435
00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,260
Newsreader: Los Angeles
International Airport
436
00:26:18,285 --> 00:26:20,035
is under full alert
437
00:26:20,078 --> 00:26:22,788
with security measures not seen
since the Gulf War.
438
00:26:24,083 --> 00:26:26,252
And it turns out the guy
wasn't serious.
439
00:26:26,292 --> 00:26:29,462
And so, after the 4th of July
weekend comes and goes
440
00:26:29,505 --> 00:26:32,005
and no one's killed,
nothing blows up,
441
00:26:32,048 --> 00:26:34,798
the dogs get called off
442
00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:37,472
and it goes back
to Unabomber normal.
443
00:26:38,888 --> 00:26:41,429
Everybody in the United
States, it seems,
444
00:26:41,474 --> 00:26:43,515
and probably many other
countries,
445
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,651
is aware of and interested
in the Unabomber
446
00:26:46,688 --> 00:26:49,357
and what comes next
in this story.
447
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,609
In the summer of 1995,
448
00:26:52,652 --> 00:26:54,531
almost every day
or every other day,
449
00:26:54,572 --> 00:26:57,491
there was a little article
describing the Unabomber
450
00:26:57,532 --> 00:26:59,292
and what his interests were,
451
00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:02,195
and these different theories
about what we should do.
452
00:27:02,246 --> 00:27:04,915
We don't want, you know,
any kind of technology,
453
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:06,576
We don't want all of this.
454
00:27:06,624 --> 00:27:09,384
We have to go back to
the natural way of life,
455
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:11,339
you know, without machines
456
00:27:11,380 --> 00:27:14,049
and without phones
and all of that.
457
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:16,721
It was churning up in my head
quite a bit.
458
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,849
And I thought, gosh, that
sounds like Dave's brother.
459
00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:24,766
I look at her and she,
she didn't look quite happy,
460
00:27:24,809 --> 00:27:26,349
and I said, "Something wrong?"
461
00:27:26,394 --> 00:27:28,434
And, for a while,
I was going to hold off,
462
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,480
but then I did broach the topic.
463
00:27:31,525 --> 00:27:34,355
And she said, "David,
464
00:27:34,403 --> 00:27:36,913
I think it might be your
brother."
465
00:27:36,947 --> 00:27:39,116
And, you know, my immediate
reaction was,
466
00:27:40,784 --> 00:27:42,503
Oh, well, I know
it's not my brother,
467
00:27:42,536 --> 00:27:45,036
so thank goodness it's...
you know,
468
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:46,920
thank goodness it's just
a worry you have,
469
00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:48,376
not something real."
470
00:27:48,416 --> 00:27:50,416
David just couldn't
believe it.
471
00:27:50,461 --> 00:27:53,090
He just thought I was being
stupid, I guess,
472
00:27:53,130 --> 00:27:55,299
or crazy or something.
473
00:27:55,340 --> 00:27:57,550
I mean, she really,
it was more of an intuition,
474
00:27:57,593 --> 00:27:59,853
I thought, than anything.
Nothing like evidence.
475
00:28:01,054 --> 00:28:02,723
He didn't want to believe it.
476
00:28:02,763 --> 00:28:05,183
And I guess that's the way um...
477
00:28:05,224 --> 00:28:08,265
family members might be,
that they don't...
478
00:28:08,311 --> 00:28:11,571
they don't want to believe that
about their family member.
479
00:28:24,869 --> 00:28:26,660
These are type-written copies,
480
00:28:26,703 --> 00:28:28,423
typed on the same typewriter
481
00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:31,957
that's been used on most of the
other Unabomb communications.
482
00:28:32,001 --> 00:28:34,382
Which we have figured out,
forensically,
483
00:28:34,421 --> 00:28:37,010
is a very old L.C. Smith Corona
484
00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:39,634
manual typewriter.
485
00:28:39,676 --> 00:28:42,007
He sends as many copies
of the manifesto
486
00:28:42,054 --> 00:28:44,223
as can be banged out
487
00:28:44,263 --> 00:28:46,394
using carbon paper,
488
00:28:46,432 --> 00:28:48,232
on a manual typewriter.
489
00:28:48,268 --> 00:28:51,857
Five copies go out
to various locations.
490
00:28:51,896 --> 00:28:54,227
We get a copy of
the Manifesto ourselves
491
00:28:54,273 --> 00:28:56,114
and I read this thing
word for word.
492
00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:57,740
We realize the guy's smart.
493
00:28:57,777 --> 00:28:59,606
He's not a great writer,
494
00:28:59,654 --> 00:29:02,575
but he's a very competent
academic writer,
495
00:29:02,615 --> 00:29:06,405
and we now have the dilemma
before us
496
00:29:06,452 --> 00:29:09,752
about whether we should print
this manifesto or not.
497
00:29:09,788 --> 00:29:12,628
Do we want to piss off
the author?
498
00:29:12,667 --> 00:29:15,998
Do we want to serve the greater
good of journalism?
499
00:29:16,046 --> 00:29:17,715
Do we want to suppress it
500
00:29:18,923 --> 00:29:21,973
because it's incitive stuff
501
00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:26,220
that can rile up anarchists
into action?
502
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,634
Or just be smart stuff
503
00:29:28,807 --> 00:29:31,268
that informs the public?
504
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:34,270
The leadership of
the task force
505
00:29:34,314 --> 00:29:36,193
was given the assignment
506
00:29:37,651 --> 00:29:40,861
by the FBI Director
and the Attorney General,
507
00:29:40,903 --> 00:29:42,743
Director Freeh
and Director Reno,
508
00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:45,080
to debate this question
509
00:29:45,116 --> 00:29:47,326
and come back with
a recommendation.
510
00:29:47,368 --> 00:29:50,078
Within the bureau there was
a thought that,
511
00:29:50,122 --> 00:29:54,211
you know, are we capitulating
to a bomber,
512
00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:56,171
a terrorist,
513
00:29:56,211 --> 00:29:58,510
by publishing his manifesto?
514
00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:02,881
I'll call it a somewhat
furious debate over this,
515
00:30:02,925 --> 00:30:06,096
and everybody was not on
the same side initially.
516
00:30:07,681 --> 00:30:09,891
And the decision was made
517
00:30:11,809 --> 00:30:14,309
that we shouldn't publish it.
518
00:30:14,354 --> 00:30:15,733
The meeting breaks up,
519
00:30:15,772 --> 00:30:18,363
one of us looked at everybody
else and said,
520
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,859
"That was the wrong decision,
wasn't it?"
521
00:30:20,902 --> 00:30:22,781
And everybody else
in there said, "Yes,
522
00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:24,990
that was the wrong decision."
523
00:30:25,030 --> 00:30:27,121
And the primary argument was,
524
00:30:27,159 --> 00:30:29,078
if it gets published,
525
00:30:29,118 --> 00:30:32,118
a document of that size,
seen by enough people,
526
00:30:32,163 --> 00:30:33,624
it's almost impossible
527
00:30:33,665 --> 00:30:36,375
that someone will not recognize
the author.
528
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,709
Either because of the way
he writes,
529
00:30:39,755 --> 00:30:42,585
or because of his message.
530
00:30:42,633 --> 00:30:44,682
We figure, "This is for
the greater good."
531
00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:47,927
You put out the clues and,
as a newspaper,
532
00:30:47,971 --> 00:30:50,721
we are all about being
for the greater good.
533
00:30:50,766 --> 00:30:54,096
So, in conjunction with
the local FBI office,
534
00:30:54,144 --> 00:30:56,983
we printed the Manifesto.
535
00:30:57,021 --> 00:30:58,942
Newsreader: It was behind
the business pages,
536
00:30:58,981 --> 00:31:02,112
tucked in between the want ads,
but it was all there today,
537
00:31:02,152 --> 00:31:05,662
all 35.000 words of the
Unabomber's message to America.
538
00:31:06,905 --> 00:31:08,576
We print the thing
and we get...
539
00:31:08,616 --> 00:31:11,406
zillions of responses
at the time.
540
00:31:11,452 --> 00:31:14,673
I think that copy of the paper
sold fairly well,
541
00:31:14,707 --> 00:31:18,037
which, you know, you don't
wanna make money on horror,
542
00:31:19,377 --> 00:31:21,248
but the fact that it sold well
543
00:31:21,296 --> 00:31:23,165
meant that a lot of people
were reading it
544
00:31:23,214 --> 00:31:25,545
and that was good. You want
people to pick, pick it over.
545
00:31:27,426 --> 00:31:28,797
I remember my first thought
546
00:31:28,846 --> 00:31:30,615
was that the Unabomber had won,
at this point.
547
00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:32,429
When the whole thing
was published,
548
00:31:32,473 --> 00:31:33,933
I thought,
well, that's it, he won.
549
00:31:33,974 --> 00:31:36,765
He defeated the federal
government and the FBI
550
00:31:36,811 --> 00:31:38,771
because he got this thing
published.
551
00:31:41,148 --> 00:31:42,568
This is the original copy
552
00:31:42,608 --> 00:31:45,278
of the Unabomber Manifesto.
553
00:31:46,697 --> 00:31:49,777
I kept it never knowing that
I would meet the author.
554
00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:53,413
It's huge,
it's an amazing document.
555
00:31:53,452 --> 00:31:55,212
Like the opening sentence,
556
00:31:55,247 --> 00:31:58,666
"The Industrial Revolution
and its consequences
557
00:31:58,709 --> 00:32:01,588
have been a disaster
for the human race."
558
00:32:04,757 --> 00:32:06,467
"They've destabilized society,
559
00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:08,178
have made life unfulfilling,
560
00:32:08,218 --> 00:32:10,847
have subjected human beings
to indignities,
561
00:32:10,887 --> 00:32:14,018
have led to widespread
psychological suffering
562
00:32:14,057 --> 00:32:16,227
and have inflicted severe
damage on the natural world."
563
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,979
"Science marches on blindly
564
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:22,480
without regard to the welfare
of the human race."
565
00:32:24,777 --> 00:32:26,696
"The system cannot be
reformed in such a way
566
00:32:26,737 --> 00:32:28,606
as to reconcile freedom
with technology.
567
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,829
The only way out
is to dispense with
568
00:32:31,866 --> 00:32:34,237
the industrial technological
system altogether."
569
00:32:35,953 --> 00:32:37,413
"It would be better
570
00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:39,625
to dump the whole stinking
system
571
00:32:39,665 --> 00:32:41,455
and take the consequences."
572
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:42,854
"We therefore advocate
a revolution
573
00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:44,627
against the industrial system."
574
00:33:00,854 --> 00:33:03,233
You could take any aspect
of the technological system
575
00:33:03,272 --> 00:33:05,232
and it's hard to argue
against any one aspect.
576
00:33:05,275 --> 00:33:06,836
You could say, what's wrong
with a phone?
577
00:33:06,859 --> 00:33:08,529
What's wrong with an email?
578
00:33:08,569 --> 00:33:10,381
What's wrong with a digital
camera or something?
579
00:33:10,404 --> 00:33:11,840
But if you take someone
like Kaczynski,
580
00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:13,759
he looks at the ensemble,
the whole system and he says,
581
00:33:13,784 --> 00:33:15,794
well, look what the system
is doing to us.
582
00:33:15,827 --> 00:33:17,680
It's drawing people in,
they're getting addicted.
583
00:33:17,703 --> 00:33:19,682
Mental stress is increasing,
mental illness is increasing,
584
00:33:19,705 --> 00:33:21,746
physical health is decreasing,
585
00:33:21,791 --> 00:33:24,291
environmental destruction
is accelerating.
586
00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:26,546
This is a consequence of
the whole technological system.
587
00:33:26,587 --> 00:33:28,667
It's not any one technology.
588
00:33:28,714 --> 00:33:31,125
So, my cell phone
isn't destroying
589
00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:33,846
the-the global ecosystem.
No, it's not the cell phone,
590
00:33:33,886 --> 00:33:36,886
but it's the whole network that
goes to having and creating
591
00:33:36,932 --> 00:33:39,142
and using a cellphone
on a mass basis.
592
00:33:39,183 --> 00:33:41,193
That's what's destroying
the global ecosystem
593
00:33:41,227 --> 00:33:43,096
and that's what's causing
human stress.
594
00:33:43,145 --> 00:33:44,556
When friends of mine
discovered
595
00:33:44,605 --> 00:33:46,266
that I hadn't even read it yet,
they go,
596
00:33:46,316 --> 00:33:48,336
"You're gonna love it, read it!
You're an idiot. Come on."
597
00:33:48,359 --> 00:33:52,410
And I did. Uh, there wasn't
anything I disagreed with,
598
00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:54,906
actually, and I still,
uh, advocate it.
599
00:33:56,326 --> 00:33:59,536
I think it's just an amazingly
important document
600
00:33:59,578 --> 00:34:01,328
now more than ever.
601
00:34:22,059 --> 00:34:24,650
"In order to get our message
before the public
602
00:34:24,688 --> 00:34:27,188
with some chance of making
a lasting impression,
603
00:34:27,231 --> 00:34:28,731
we've had to kill people."
604
00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:32,068
He comes right out and says it.
605
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,840
Newsreader: The Justice
Department hopes
606
00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:38,827
to use his own words
to lead investigators
607
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:41,369
to one of the most hunted men
in the country.
608
00:34:42,748 --> 00:34:46,038
I'm sure there will be a lot
of people
609
00:34:46,083 --> 00:34:48,094
in the academic community
610
00:34:48,126 --> 00:34:50,547
that will read this
and will say,
611
00:34:50,588 --> 00:34:52,798
"Well, that sounds just like..."
612
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,931
and they'll flash back
to a student
613
00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:57,637
or a professor that
they have worked with.
614
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,219
It did ultimately lead to...
615
00:35:00,264 --> 00:35:02,344
literally thousands of people
616
00:35:02,391 --> 00:35:05,652
that thought that they might
know who the Unabomber was.
617
00:35:10,775 --> 00:35:13,485
This was getting
to be about mid-October.
618
00:35:13,527 --> 00:35:15,487
David promised
619
00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:18,280
that when the Unabomber
manifesto was published,
620
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:20,204
that he would go out and get it.
621
00:35:20,242 --> 00:35:22,043
He promised that to me.
622
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,748
But apparently there were only
6 copies being sold
623
00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:28,541
at this newspaper shop
624
00:35:28,585 --> 00:35:31,335
and they had already gone
very quickly.
625
00:35:31,378 --> 00:35:33,509
The college library had
the issue
626
00:35:33,547 --> 00:35:35,677
but somebody had taken
the manifesto out of it
627
00:35:35,717 --> 00:35:37,387
so it wasn't there.
And I'm, I'm ready
628
00:35:37,427 --> 00:35:38,905
to throw up both of my hands
and then she...
629
00:35:38,929 --> 00:35:41,059
and then she says,
"The internet!"
630
00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:43,677
Now, I had hardly heard
of the internet.
631
00:35:43,724 --> 00:35:45,224
We didn't have it at home,
632
00:35:45,268 --> 00:35:48,398
but they had it
at the college library.
633
00:35:48,438 --> 00:35:50,688
Linda's sitting next to me,
634
00:35:50,731 --> 00:35:52,282
and, first of all,
it's kind of weird.
635
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,527
Here I am on this new-fangled
technology,
636
00:35:54,568 --> 00:35:56,108
trying to figure out
if my brother
637
00:35:56,153 --> 00:35:58,204
is the anti-technology
terrorist.
638
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,278
You know, I felt almost, like,
guilty about doing that.
639
00:36:01,326 --> 00:36:03,695
He was looking at the screen
640
00:36:04,913 --> 00:36:07,463
and I was looking at his cheek
641
00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:09,498
and his jaw dropped
642
00:36:09,541 --> 00:36:11,251
when he read the first few lines
643
00:36:11,293 --> 00:36:13,213
of the Unabomber manifesto.
644
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:17,052
Linda kind of whispered,
"David, what do you think?
645
00:36:17,092 --> 00:36:19,181
Do you think it could be Ted?"
646
00:36:19,217 --> 00:36:21,757
And I said, "I have to admit,
647
00:36:21,804 --> 00:36:23,844
some parts of it really do
sound like him.
648
00:36:23,889 --> 00:36:26,599
If I had to, if I had to guess,
649
00:36:26,643 --> 00:36:28,943
maybe there's one chance
in a thousand he wrote it."
650
00:36:30,688 --> 00:36:31,938
And I was expecting,
651
00:36:31,981 --> 00:36:34,442
well, maybe that would be
reassuring to her.
652
00:36:34,483 --> 00:36:38,284
But she said, "David,
one chance in a thousand?
653
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,280
That's not nothing."
654
00:36:46,496 --> 00:36:48,496
I started to try and talk Dave
655
00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:51,079
into getting an expert
656
00:36:51,126 --> 00:36:54,746
in analyzing the comparison
between Ted's letters
657
00:36:54,795 --> 00:36:57,416
and the Unabomber manifesto.
658
00:36:57,465 --> 00:37:00,335
That, that perhaps
there's a pattern
659
00:37:00,385 --> 00:37:02,755
because it's the same author.
660
00:37:02,804 --> 00:37:04,934
So, I suggested Susan Swanson,
661
00:37:04,972 --> 00:37:07,853
who I knew was a private
investigator
662
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:10,603
and had connections
with this kind of thing.
663
00:37:10,644 --> 00:37:13,974
I've known Linda since
we were toddlers.
664
00:37:14,023 --> 00:37:17,534
It was Linda who cracked
the Unabomber case.
665
00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:20,068
She was the only one
who suspected,
666
00:37:20,112 --> 00:37:22,873
just by reading his letters,
that he might be violent.
667
00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:24,987
And I tried to look
668
00:37:25,034 --> 00:37:28,534
to see if there were
any similarities
669
00:37:28,579 --> 00:37:30,250
and, after a while,
670
00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:32,039
there were times when I thought
671
00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:34,384
they really could've been
written by the same person.
672
00:37:36,253 --> 00:37:38,673
"I've got to know
that every last tie
673
00:37:38,715 --> 00:37:41,045
joining me to this
stinking family
674
00:37:41,092 --> 00:37:42,932
has been cut forever."
675
00:37:44,302 --> 00:37:45,932
"It would be better
676
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:48,061
to dump the whole stinking
system
677
00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:50,730
and take the consequences."
678
00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:53,608
I thought it was hard to tell
the difference between the two.
679
00:37:53,646 --> 00:37:55,565
It kind of flowed,
680
00:37:55,606 --> 00:37:57,567
it had, you know, um...
681
00:37:57,608 --> 00:37:59,739
the same tone.
682
00:37:59,777 --> 00:38:03,027
So, I went to work researching
the Unabomber case,
683
00:38:03,072 --> 00:38:05,702
taking into account
other things Ted had
684
00:38:05,742 --> 00:38:08,121
that were in common
with the Unabomber.
685
00:38:09,369 --> 00:38:11,619
Probably the biggest
geographic link
686
00:38:11,664 --> 00:38:15,503
had to do with universities
where bombs were found.
687
00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:18,762
There were two at the
University of California,
688
00:38:18,797 --> 00:38:20,166
at Berkeley,
689
00:38:20,215 --> 00:38:23,465
and one at the University
of Michigan
690
00:38:23,509 --> 00:38:25,139
in Ann Arbor.
691
00:38:25,177 --> 00:38:27,807
We knew that Ted had gotten
his Ph. D.
692
00:38:27,847 --> 00:38:30,347
at the University of Michigan
at Ann Arbor,
693
00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:34,061
and we knew he had been a...
assistant professor
694
00:38:34,103 --> 00:38:36,943
at the University of California
at Berkeley.
695
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:39,652
We were looking at the
timeline of the bombings
696
00:38:39,692 --> 00:38:42,782
and letters that we had
received from Ted.
697
00:38:42,820 --> 00:38:45,201
My big hope was that we would...
698
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,119
find that a letter was sent
from Montana,
699
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,619
on a day that, say, a bomb
was sent from California.
700
00:38:51,663 --> 00:38:54,833
So, I was still hopeful that
he might be ruled out.
701
00:38:54,873 --> 00:38:58,594
And, um,
what David knew was that
702
00:38:58,628 --> 00:39:02,797
Ted would sometimes hitch
a ride to Helena, Montana.
703
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,721
And from there, he would catch
a Greyhound bus
704
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,969
all the way to
the San Francisco Bay area.
705
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:12,853
I made some calls to
the Greyhound bus line.
706
00:39:12,891 --> 00:39:16,351
They said there's no way
you could take
707
00:39:16,394 --> 00:39:20,315
the Greyhound bus
from Helena, Montana
708
00:39:20,358 --> 00:39:22,568
to San Francisco, California,
709
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:26,320
without going through
Salt Lake City, Utah.
710
00:39:26,364 --> 00:39:29,034
And since Salt Lake City
is one of the places
711
00:39:29,074 --> 00:39:31,485
where a bomb had gone off,
712
00:39:31,536 --> 00:39:33,445
that was very concerning.
713
00:39:34,914 --> 00:39:37,634
I'm actually thinking
my brother
714
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:39,876
could be the most wanted person
in America,
715
00:39:39,918 --> 00:39:42,378
a serial murderer.
716
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:44,840
The cost if we were wrong
either way
717
00:39:44,882 --> 00:39:47,262
was so intense.
718
00:39:47,302 --> 00:39:49,762
If we did nothing
719
00:39:49,804 --> 00:39:51,324
and Ted was the Unabomber,
he might strike again.
720
00:39:51,347 --> 00:39:53,018
Someone would be dead.
721
00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:54,818
We'd have to go through
the rest of our lives
722
00:39:54,851 --> 00:39:56,811
understanding that somebody died
723
00:39:56,853 --> 00:39:59,902
because we had failed to act.
That was intolerable.
724
00:39:59,938 --> 00:40:02,148
And then the other side of this
725
00:40:02,192 --> 00:40:05,152
was the realization,
my God, if Ted is...
726
00:40:05,195 --> 00:40:08,775
if Ted is guilty
and he's killed three people,
727
00:40:08,822 --> 00:40:11,623
then he's probably gonna get
the death penalty.
728
00:40:11,659 --> 00:40:13,119
What would it be like for me
729
00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:15,121
to go through the rest
of my life
730
00:40:15,163 --> 00:40:17,213
with my brother's blood
on my hands?
731
00:40:17,248 --> 00:40:19,878
The brother I'd sworn
to never abandon.
732
00:40:19,918 --> 00:40:21,628
Man, that was unthinkable.
733
00:40:21,668 --> 00:40:23,958
It was like,
I was sort of in this box,
734
00:40:24,005 --> 00:40:25,835
not at all of my own making
735
00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:29,092
and there was like no way
to get out of it.
736
00:40:30,929 --> 00:40:32,429
For me, it was easy.
737
00:40:32,471 --> 00:40:34,931
There was a possibility uh...
738
00:40:34,974 --> 00:40:37,603
somewhat a pretty decent
possibility
739
00:40:37,643 --> 00:40:39,353
that he was the Unabomber,
740
00:40:39,396 --> 00:40:41,936
so we had to do something.
741
00:40:41,981 --> 00:40:43,981
So, David called me
742
00:40:45,402 --> 00:40:47,402
and he said, you know,
743
00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:50,445
that this was,
this was bad news.
744
00:40:50,489 --> 00:40:53,489
I said, "Well, we think
we need to stop the violence,
745
00:40:53,534 --> 00:40:56,414
so we'd like you to contact
the FBI."
746
00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:00,628
We thought everything's gonna
change,
747
00:41:00,666 --> 00:41:02,916
you know, everything's gonna...
748
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,420
well, two or three weeks go by,
we don't hear anything.
749
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,052
We are deluged
with information.
750
00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:11,431
People are mailing in
writings from...
751
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,099
their uncles, their brothers,
752
00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:15,007
their ex-boyfriends,
753
00:41:15,056 --> 00:41:17,226
saying, well, this person
might be the Unabomber.
754
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:21,938
And we're trying to take it in
and process it.
755
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:23,980
There were thousands of people
who got brief looks.
756
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:27,530
There were 2.417 people
757
00:41:29,487 --> 00:41:32,777
who were designated formally
as suspects.
758
00:41:34,659 --> 00:41:38,159
Ted Kaczynski was number 2.416.
759
00:41:39,664 --> 00:41:42,003
But at this point,
my mother got sick.
760
00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:43,840
She was in the hospital
in Chicago.
761
00:41:43,876 --> 00:41:45,335
I had to fly back there,
762
00:41:45,378 --> 00:41:48,378
and I found myself alone
in her house.
763
00:41:50,007 --> 00:41:53,297
And, um, I realized she had
saved a bunch of letters
764
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:55,005
from my brother,
765
00:41:55,054 --> 00:41:56,353
and among her letters,
766
00:41:56,389 --> 00:41:59,679
I find a 23-page manuscript
767
00:41:59,724 --> 00:42:01,135
which was like...
768
00:42:02,436 --> 00:42:05,936
I guess you'd call it
a proto-manifesto.
769
00:42:05,981 --> 00:42:08,822
It was the essence of
the manifesto
770
00:42:08,860 --> 00:42:10,739
boiled down to 23 pages,
771
00:42:10,777 --> 00:42:13,487
written maybe several years
earlier.
772
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:15,530
And at that point,
without hesitation,
773
00:42:15,574 --> 00:42:17,414
we contacted the FBI.
774
00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:21,960
A call came into
the switchboard,
775
00:42:21,998 --> 00:42:23,958
at the San Francisco office,
776
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,460
looking for someone
from the Unabomb Task Force.
777
00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,923
It was from an agent
and she's read the document
778
00:42:29,963 --> 00:42:32,554
and she thinks it might be
important.
779
00:42:32,590 --> 00:42:34,891
All she wanted is someone
on the task force
780
00:42:34,927 --> 00:42:36,387
to look at the document
781
00:42:36,429 --> 00:42:38,469
before it just went into the...
782
00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:42,264
great pile of okay-this-has
been-handled-and-washed-out.
783
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:44,440
So, I asked her
to send it to me.
784
00:42:44,478 --> 00:42:46,358
She faxed it to me,
I looked at it,
785
00:42:46,398 --> 00:42:48,438
uh, and I concluded that
786
00:42:50,943 --> 00:42:52,902
the writer of this 23-page
document
787
00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,985
and the writer of the manifesto
788
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:56,661
were the same person.
789
00:43:07,043 --> 00:43:08,592
This is a huge moment.
790
00:43:08,626 --> 00:43:10,297
The light is at the end of
the tunnel.
791
00:43:10,338 --> 00:43:12,007
We are going to solve this case.
792
00:43:12,047 --> 00:43:13,217
We are convinced of it.
793
00:43:19,222 --> 00:43:21,641
But we don't have enough
evidence to arrest him.
794
00:43:21,681 --> 00:43:25,442
We can tie him very
definitively to the manifesto,
795
00:43:25,478 --> 00:43:27,898
but it's ties based on...
796
00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:29,768
linguistic analysis,
essentially.
797
00:43:31,192 --> 00:43:32,822
That's not enough to arrest him.
798
00:43:32,860 --> 00:43:34,699
We need to get into that cabin,
799
00:43:34,737 --> 00:43:37,027
we need to conduct a search
of that cabin,
800
00:43:37,072 --> 00:43:38,413
and see what's in there.
801
00:43:38,449 --> 00:43:40,369
That becomes the primary goal,
802
00:43:40,409 --> 00:43:42,949
is getting into the cabin
by a search warrant.
803
00:43:42,994 --> 00:43:46,864
We send a handful
of agents up there.
804
00:43:46,916 --> 00:43:50,666
They approached my dad
because Ted trusted him -
805
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:53,050
I mean, as much as he probably
trusted anybody -
806
00:43:53,088 --> 00:43:57,048
because he'd been his neighbor
for 20-plus years.
807
00:43:59,596 --> 00:44:02,215
They were like, "What do you
know about your neighbor, Ted?"
808
00:44:02,264 --> 00:44:04,804
And Butch is like,
"He's a hermit."
809
00:44:08,061 --> 00:44:10,271
And they go,
"Well, we're pretty sure
810
00:44:10,315 --> 00:44:12,355
he's the Unabomber."
811
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,449
And Butch is like, "No,
he's not the Unabomber."
812
00:44:15,487 --> 00:44:18,697
And he's like, "Yeah, we,
we're pretty sure we got him.
813
00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:20,778
And so would you
814
00:44:20,824 --> 00:44:23,195
be willing to help us
815
00:44:24,579 --> 00:44:26,289
in his arrest?"
816
00:44:26,331 --> 00:44:27,849
And Butch is like,
"Well, what do you need?"
817
00:44:27,873 --> 00:44:29,753
Well, my dad was asked
818
00:44:29,791 --> 00:44:32,302
to video the terrain
819
00:44:32,336 --> 00:44:34,797
around Ted's place.
820
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,679
And he went out there
821
00:44:42,721 --> 00:44:44,811
and took his video camera,
822
00:44:44,849 --> 00:44:46,978
held it down by his hip
823
00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:49,268
and just walked the grounds
824
00:44:49,311 --> 00:44:51,942
so that the FBI could have
a clear vision
825
00:44:51,981 --> 00:44:55,280
of what the terrain looked like
around Ted's cabin.
826
00:44:56,693 --> 00:45:00,242
My dad, Butch, was the eyes
and the ears of the operation.
827
00:45:01,449 --> 00:45:03,739
We start getting hints
before April
828
00:45:03,784 --> 00:45:06,164
that the investigators
are narrowing in;
829
00:45:06,204 --> 00:45:08,414
that the Manifesto
830
00:45:08,456 --> 00:45:10,916
has lit a fuse
831
00:45:10,958 --> 00:45:13,708
and that something's going down.
832
00:45:13,751 --> 00:45:16,882
And so, we're scratching
everywhere we can.
833
00:45:16,922 --> 00:45:18,842
We get clues,
834
00:45:18,882 --> 00:45:21,222
some of the networks get clues.
835
00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:23,139
They're trying to keep
a tight lid on it,
836
00:45:23,179 --> 00:45:24,889
but it's leaking out.
837
00:45:24,929 --> 00:45:27,599
The task force
was contacted by CBS
838
00:45:27,641 --> 00:45:29,311
at the beginning of April.
839
00:45:29,351 --> 00:45:32,152
And CBS News indicated
that they, essentially,
840
00:45:32,188 --> 00:45:33,478
had the story,
841
00:45:33,523 --> 00:45:35,163
and they were going to run
with the story.
842
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:37,240
We couldn't afford
for media trucks
843
00:45:37,275 --> 00:45:39,146
to be driving down that
little dirt road
844
00:45:39,195 --> 00:45:41,195
and knock on his door...
845
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,949
for a million reasons.
846
00:45:42,989 --> 00:45:46,579
So, okay, we had 24 hours
to get in place.
847
00:45:46,619 --> 00:45:50,289
We flew a planeload of agents,
848
00:45:50,331 --> 00:45:52,041
the entire San Francisco
SWAT team
849
00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:53,333
to surround the cabin,
850
00:45:53,376 --> 00:45:55,166
crawl into place
during the night,
851
00:45:55,210 --> 00:45:57,130
and then all the other people
we would need
852
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:59,130
to knock on his door
the next day.
853
00:46:01,634 --> 00:46:03,764
The day of the arrest,
it was early,
854
00:46:03,802 --> 00:46:05,222
it's kind of chilly,
855
00:46:05,262 --> 00:46:07,393
wind was blowing.
856
00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:09,481
The air was so...
857
00:46:09,516 --> 00:46:11,686
I mean, the tension was so thick
858
00:46:11,728 --> 00:46:13,148
you could just feel it.
859
00:46:14,813 --> 00:46:16,523
We didn't want to have
a situation
860
00:46:16,565 --> 00:46:19,936
where we had a barricaded
gunman.
861
00:46:19,985 --> 00:46:23,195
We knew Ted had
at least one weapon,
862
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,699
a, a rifle.
863
00:46:27,699 --> 00:46:31,699
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