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In the criminal justice system,
the people are represented
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by two separate
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the police who investigate crime,
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and the Crown Prosecutors
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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She shouldn't be texting you
in the first place.
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You shouldn't be checking my phone.
How do I know what you're up to?
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I'm not up to anything.
Then you shouldn't be texting her.
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Jen, this is ridiculous.
I want you to delete her number.
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What?
You heard.
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Don't walk away from me. Rob!
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Jen, stay where you are.
Don't tell me what to do.
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Oh, my God.
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Grazes on the back of his hands,
a nasty cut on his lip.
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Also he's received
a blow to the head
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which could be the cause of death.
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Have you got a time, Joy?Yeah, I'd
say sometime within the last hour.
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Really?
Yeah.
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Richard Peters.
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Right.
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Thanks, love.
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Richard Peters.
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Saw nothing at all?
We didn't see anyone.
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It's pretty quiet around here,
anyway.All right.
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Well, one of our officers is going
to take a statement from you both.
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You can wait in your flat
if it's any easier.
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Thanks.
All right.
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Guv?
Yeah?
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We've found an empty pram.
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And Richard Peters lives here?
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Yes, guv.
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It's still warm.
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Well, let's hope the baby is.
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Why aren't you out looking for Leo?
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Like I've already said, Mr Wilks,
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we have officers searching
for your son,
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but they'll have a much better chance
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if you give us as much information
as possible. OK?
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Rick was the nicest guy
you could meet.
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Why would anyone...?
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Oh, God.
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Leo, what if they've hurt him?
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Listen, what time did Mr Peters
leave this morning?
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Just after eight.
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go out, have breakfast at the cafe,
get the papers and then come back.
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Rick works from home most days,
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so he used to say that was his
walk to the office.
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And how long has Leo been with you?
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We fostered him
when he was four months old,
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and then applied to adopt.
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What about Leo's biological mother?
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She was a drug addict.
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Most people wouldn't want to adopt
a baby with problems,
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but we loved him
from the first time we saw him.
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Do you have a recent photograph?
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You have to find my son.
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He needs medication twice a day.
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If he doesn't get it...
What sort of medication, Mr Wilks?
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For seizures. He has epilepsy.
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Guv, have a look at this.
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Now, this van leaves the flats
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round about the time
that Richard Peters was murdered.
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Have we got footage
from inside the gates?
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No, there's only CCTV
on the main entrance.
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We checked the van.
It belongs to a Dean Carter,
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who's got previous
for assault and theft.
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Ta.But murder and kidnap,
it's a whole different league.
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In this assault Dean Carter was
jointly charged with Karl Simpson.
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CID picked him up
a couple of months ago
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for possession
of indecent childimages.
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OK. Maybe he and Dean Carter
had a shared interest.
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I want all patrol teams out
looking for that van,
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but no high-speedchases
in case he has got Leo.
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Uniform have spotted the van
at Borough Market
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and it looks like it's stopping.
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Have you let Sam know?
No need to.
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He's north of the river with his team
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in case the guy makes a break for it
across the bridge.
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Get in with me.
Oh, right. You going to drive?
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Yes, I'm going to drive.
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All units in position?
'In position.'
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Ready?
Yeah.
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All units go, go, go.
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Move away from the vehicle!
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What have I done?
What's this all about?
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What do you mean, calm down?
Calm down about what?
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Can you open your van please, sir.
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Why?
Just open the van, please.
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You got a warrant?No, I've got a
missing kid, I don't need a warrant.
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You tell me, pal, that look like
a missing kid to you?
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Great.
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I don't know nothing
about a missing kid.
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How come your van was seen
coming out of some flats
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moments after a man was murdered
and a child was abducted.
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Well, good news, Dean.
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Your friend Mr Turner
has indeed confirmed
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that you were there to visit him
at the flats.
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There we go, told you that already.
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He's also told us you were off
loading some stolen goods.
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Hardly something to be smug about,
is it?
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Anyway,
we'll deal with that later on.
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I need you to try and remember if you
saw anyone suspicious at the flats.
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So why should I help you lot?
Well, no reason at all.
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But you should try and help the man
who's going out of his mind
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because his seriously ill son
is missing. What do you think?
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I tell you what.
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You do me a deal with what you got
me on I'll tell youwhat I know.
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Not a good day to barter with me,
Dean.
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Right, what can I tell you?
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There was a bloke and a bird
standing outside on the street.
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They were there when I drove in and
they were there when I droveout.
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You sure it was the same couple?
Trust, me pal.
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You notice people in my line
of work, you know what I mean?
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I know what you mean, pal.
A description, please?
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All right. She was white,
he was black.
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Both in their late 20s.Did you see
them enter the flats?No.
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Is that it. Can I go now?
Of course you can.
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As soon as I've charged you.
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The amount of time we've wasted
on Dean Carter.
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Guv, come and have a look at this.
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What?
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Bin lorry, followed by...
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white female, black male.
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If they live in the flats why don't
they use the pedestrian gate.
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Because you need a pass key.
Precisely.
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And if they're visiting
why aren't they buzzing for entry?
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Do we see them leave?No, there's
no CCTV cameras over the exit gate.
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Maybe they did,
but we haven't seen them.
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All right, see if Gareth Wilks
recognises them. Good work.
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That's Ruth Pendle.
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I've never seen him before, but
that's definitely Ruth, Leo's mum.
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You're absolutely certain?
Yes.
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Does this mean you know where he is?
Not yet, no.
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Had Ruth been in touch with either
you or Richard recently?
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No.
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The last time we saw her Leo was
still in our foster care.
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As soon as we adopted him,
we cut contact.
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Any idea where we might find Ruth?
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You could try her mum.
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I haven't heard from Ruth since
she left rehab threemonths ago.
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How long was she in there for?On and
off since Leo was taken into care.
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I paid for her to go into the best
place, get the best help,
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but shecouldn't stay clean.
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It couldn't have been easy for you.
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Ruth idolised her dad.
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He was something of a genius.
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They spent hours pouring
over books together.
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But then he had an affair with
someone not much older than her.
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She started failing her exams
which was unheard of.
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I found out that someone
at college gave her cocaine
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to help her stay awake.
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Guess it was funny, seeing the
clever girl go off the rails.
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And before she knew it,
she was hooked, yeah?
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Suddenly she thought
she had friends.
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I should have spotted it,
but I didn't,
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not until she told me
she waspregnant.
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Do you know if she was on drugs
while she was pregnant?
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She'd progressed to heroin by then.
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When my grandson was born
he had to be weaned off it.
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Did she tell you the name
of the father?She refused to.
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So you've no idea where she is now?
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Try her room-mate
from the rehabilitation centre.
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They were inseparable.
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Come on, love, open up.
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I know you're in there.
I can see you moving about.
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Lisa Longwood?
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Might be.
I'll take that as a yes.
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What the hell
do you think you're doing?
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Ruth Pendle?
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Who?
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Ruth Pendle.
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You shared a room with her in rehab,
right?
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I don't know what you're on about.
I've got a missing boy, love.
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I haven't got time for games.
Where's Ruth Pendle?
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I'm Ruth.
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What do you mean,
a little boy's missing. Is it Leo?
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You should be looking for my son.
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We were hoping you could tell us
where he is.
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Why would I know?
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Social Services
took him away from me.Really?
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Why were you at the flats
this morning
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where Richard Peters was killed?
Pardon?
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That is you, isn't it?
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No.
No?
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No?So it's a coincidence, is it,
that someone looking like you,
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well, exactly like you, is outside
Mr Peters flat this morning.
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Mr Peters being the man who adopted
your son.
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Come on, Ruth, you're not stupid.
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I mean you must have known
we'd make the connection.
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Is that the boy's father?
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It isn't me.
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Right, you know what,
we don't have time for this, Ruth.
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Listen to me, young lady.
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Leo is in danger.
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He needs medication twice a day,
you understand?
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He suffers from seizures,
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maybe because his mother fed him
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a diet of heroin
when she was pregnant.
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He needs tablets
to stop them from happening.
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You're lying.
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Why would we do that?
To get me to tell you where he is.
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So you do know?
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Right, we found this in your bag
when you came to the station.
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Business card for a solicitor.
Why were you seeing him?
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None of your business.
We'll ask him.
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He's not allowed
to disclose anything.
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I know that, but those rules tend to
get forgotten, don't they,
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when there's a child's life at stake?
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I assume I don't need to remind you
about legal privilege?
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I assume I don't need to remind you
that withholding information
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that results in the death of a child
would not be good for your firm.
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Don't you agree?
I don't appreciate being pressured.
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I'm sure you don't.
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So, now we've got the formalities
out of the way,
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what were you seeing
Ruth Pendle about?
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She was seeking advice
on how to overturn the adoption.
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Really, well I thought
that was impossible?
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It is for Ruth,
but not for the father.
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He's not on the birth certificate.
He was never consulted
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when the baby was given up for
adoption, so he can contest it.
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I did tell Ruth that it's still
highly unlikely she'll succeed.
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Do you know the father's name?
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Yes.
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Mr Walker, I understand you'd like
to protect client confidentiality,
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but we think Leo's been taken
by his dad, so a name, please.
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This puts me
in a very awkward position.
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Well, I appreciate that,
but you're our only hope
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of finding Leo, and quickly,
so a name please.
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Neil Jenkins.
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And, no, I don't have a contact
address.Thank you for your time.
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I haven't seen him
since I became pregnant.
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So, this isn't Neil Jenkins
in the picture with you, no?
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No?
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There are 126 Neil Jenkins
listed in London.
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Do you know how long it's going
to take to go through them?
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Every minute we waste
puts your child's life at risk.
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If I tell you where Leo is,
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Social Services will make
sure Inever see him again.
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I know you all think I'm a waste of
space drug addict, but I'm clean.
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And you know why I did that?
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For Leo.
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Because he's the only thing
in my life worth living for.
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What are these?
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These are web forums of parents
who have children with epilepsy.
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This little boy, for instance,
had a major seizure.
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And now can't even hold
his own head up.
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Leo seemed fine. I'd have been able
to tell if something was wrong.
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Well, the reason he seemed fine
though, Ruth, when you saw him
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is because his adoptive parents are
giving him his regular medication.
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But he isn't with them right now,
is he?
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It won't hurt if he misses
a few doses, is it?
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That's what this mother thought.
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She took her 18-month-old daughter
off medication
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without talking to a doctor first.
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Two days later she had a fit
and now they're worried
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that she can't see out of one eye.
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Look.
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Leo's going to be two next month.
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I missed his first birthday,
and I swore I wouldn't miss anymore.
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Not again.
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I just want to be with him.
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I understand that totally.
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You do want to help your son,
don't you?
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Of course I do.
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Well, then, tell us where he is.
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You promise to look after him.
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I promise.
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And tell him
that his mummy loves him.
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He's with his dad. 36 Garston Court.
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Thank you very much.
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You've done the right thing.
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Mr Jenkins.
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Open the door, please.
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Mr Jenkins.
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No. Go on, lads.
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Police!
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Anything?
Guv?
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A man with a little boy's
been spotted on the roof.
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Well, get after him, then.
Quick as you can.
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Come on, lads, quick as you can.
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Take it easy. That's it.
All right. Thank you.
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Hiya, Neil.
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It's chilly up here, isn't it?
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How are you doing?
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You're not taking my son away
from me, OK?
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No.
So you can all just leave us alone.
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He's not a well lad.
You know that, Neil, don't you?
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What do you mean?
He has epilepsy.
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He needs regular medication.
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No, no. Ruth would have told me
about something like that.
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Well, she didn't know either.
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She didn't know.
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He's fine.
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We've been we've been singing songs
earlier.
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Hey, little man, weren't we?
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Eh? Were we singing songs, were we?
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Good boy.
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Neil, if you care about baby Leo,
and I know you do,
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you'll let us do what we have to.
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I'm his dad,
and he doesn't even know who I am.
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Let me take care of him,
just for a minute, eh?No.No.
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No.
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Come on.
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You want him to be happy, don't you?
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Then, why don't you do
what's right for him.
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Eh? And not you.
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Cos you know what?
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That's what good dad's
are all about... Neil.
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They put themselves second.
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Who's this?
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Boys.
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Thank you.Thank you so much.
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Gareth, the paramedics are going
to take you to hospital,
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just to check Leo over, OK?
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Is that who killed Rick?
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You leave him to us, Mr Wilks.
You just take care of Leo. OK?
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Ruth reckoned that
if we just talk to them
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they'd see how serious we were
about getting Leo back.
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Well, why didn't you go through
the courts?
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Because that would have
taken forever.
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Nothing to do with the previous
you got then, Neil?
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What?
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00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,640
Well, Neil...
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..four years ago you assaulted a man
after a night out. Is that right?
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I was drunk, right,
and he was winding me up.
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Is that what Mr Peters was doing?
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All I wanted to do was see Leo.
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So it didn't wind you up, did it,
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the fact that Leo, your son,
had been adopted by two daddies?
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It pissed me off
that other people had my boy.
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That was Ruth's fault.
She gave him away.
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She didn't give him away.
Social Services took him away.
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Because she was on drugs.
Ruth?
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No.
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Didn't you wonder why her family
wanted nothing to do with her?
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They had a falling out.
And she turned to you.
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Bet you couldn't believe your luck.
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I loved her!All right?
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You see?
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You've got quite a temper.
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Is that what happened
when you saw Leo?
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You got angry and you lashed out.
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No. No.
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All I did was pick Leo up,
that's it.
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And then this Mr Peters,
he went mental.
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Started screaming in my face.
So you hit him to shut him up?
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I walked away so Leo wouldn't see
what was happening.
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He followed me
and he grabbed my arm.
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So I pushed him...
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..and he fell over.
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Well, the pathology report says
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that Mr Richard Peters died from
a blow to the head, probably a kick.
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I mean, I might have caught his lip
when I pushed him, but that was it.
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All right. So what happened
after you pushed him?
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You need to tell us the truth.
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Where is he?
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He's in another room.
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Will he get bail?
Why do you ask?
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If he knows I've spoken to you,
he'll come after me.
360
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,680
Has Mr Jenkins come after you
before?
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He's got a temper.
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That's why we split up.
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I thought I could handle it,
but I couldn't.
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Well, why would you leave your son
with someone like that?
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Because I didn't have much choice.
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OK. So what went wrong?
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It was Neil.
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He just picked Leo up
without asking.
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I told him to put him down,
but he wouldn't.
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And then Mr Peters tried
to grab him back,
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but Neil started hitting him
and then he pushed him over.
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Go on.
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That's when he kicked him
in the head.
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Right, so you are saying
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that Neil Jenkins kicked
Richard Peters in the head.
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He said that'd teach him a lesson.
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I only wanted my baby.
That's all. I'm so sorry.
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Right, that's that interview
terminated at 18:35. Thank you.
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Where are we with forensics?
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We're awaiting results
on both pairs of shoes.
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Not your everyday murderer is she?
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Why do you say that?
Because she's well spoken?
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Because she's not got previous,
unlike him.
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00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:09,840
We've got enough to charge
Neil Jenkins with murder.
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Both with kidnapping.
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00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,480
Oh, surely we've got enough
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to charge Ruth with murder
on jointenterprise?
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There's not much point.
Neil's admitted he pushed him.
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But he's denying delivering
the blow to the head.
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He's claiming self-defence.
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So unless forensics prove otherwise
it's Neil's word against Ruth's.
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And hers is the one
a jury willbelieve.
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00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,760
Well, this is right
as far as I can see.
394
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,000
It was Ruth Pendle's idea to go and
see Mr Peters. Jenkins who hit him.
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She could have called for help,
but didn't.
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00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,000
You wanted to see me?
Ruth Pendle and Neil Jenkins.
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They're being jointly charged
with murder.
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I told the DI we didn't have a case
against the mum.
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Why?
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Well, because Jenkins admitted
that he pushed Mr Peters.
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00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,360
He is claiming self-defence,
but we can prove otherwise,
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00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,080
given what Ruth's told us.
403
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,720
But we can't.
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00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,960
Ruth's word isn't admissible until
it comes out in evidence in court.
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What we do know is that she led
Jenkins there,
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and then fled the scene,
leaving a man dead.
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00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,920
Unless we have evidence to prove
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that one of them killed
Richard Peters we go after both.
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Do you have a problem with that?
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No, course not.
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Ruth Pendle, you're charged with
the murder of Richard Peters.What?
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No!No! No!
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No! It was Neil. I told you.Please!
414
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,120
Please! You don't know what's
happening. I need to see my son.
415
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No, please!
416
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,200
Do you think she killed him?
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00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,480
Sam, she's a young mum desperate
to be with her kid.
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Could be capable of anything.
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I want taken off the Pendle case.
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00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,320
Why?
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Because joint enterprise
is a cop out.
422
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We should be trying
to prove who did it,
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not just taking a chance
on themboth.
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All we can prove is that they
were acting together.
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This is ridiculous.
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Do you know her?
427
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:34,720
What?
428
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,760
Ruth Pendle.Do you know her?
429
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No, course I don't.
430
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,600
So why are you so hell bent
on protecting her?
431
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,760
Do you know what, forget it!
Kate!
432
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,320
I've no idea what your issue is,
433
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but you will go in that court room
andyou will get the result we want.
434
00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:56,720
Is that understood?
435
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,240
Kate!
436
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,560
Fine!
437
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,360
Self defence?
438
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,960
Forensics shows Richard Peters was
killed by a blow to the head.Maybe.
439
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,840
But you haven't found a murder weapon
and my client's shoes were clean.
440
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,560
And Mr Jenkins insists
it wasn't him either.
441
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,200
Is he saying Ruth did it, then?
That's not likely.
442
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,720
Sorry, Kate, whose side are you on?
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Mine.
444
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,720
So, Lydia, what's your line?
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00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,320
That Neil Jenkins acted alone whilst
Ruth tried to look after her son.
446
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,400
She couldn't have known he was
planning to use violence.
447
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,160
So telling Mr Jenkins
that he had a son,
448
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and then persuading him to go and
see Leo had nothing to do with her?
449
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,920
Let's save the arguing
for the courtroom, shall we.
450
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We're sticking
to the charge of murder.
451
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For both defendants.
452
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,880
He's driving me mad.
453
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,360
I got the impression
he's not your favourite person.
454
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We don't agree on the case.
455
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,240
Why not?
456
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,320
I shouldn't really talk about it.
457
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,640
Hey. I know we're on opposite sides,
but we're still friends.
458
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,760
So, come on, what's up?
459
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,840
I just don't think we should be
going after Ruth.
460
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,560
Can't argue with you there.
461
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,440
But Jake is adamant he can convince
a jury she's guilty of murder.
462
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,480
Really? How?
463
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,920
I'm not daft, Kate. I know he's
going to try some dirty trick.
464
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,760
What's he going to do? Get her on the
stand and wind her up into a fury?
465
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,600
He is, isn't he?
466
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,120
He reckons that if the jury see she
has a temper,
467
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,160
they'll also see shecould have got
angry enough to kill Richard Peters.
468
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:45,600
He's good, Lyds.
469
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,640
So am I.
470
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,360
What happened
when Mr Peters saw you?
471
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,720
He was surprised, to see Ruth.
472
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,800
He said erm...
473
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,880
he said Leo was their son
and that was that.
474
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,400
And what was Miss Pendle's response
to that?
475
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,400
She was angry.
476
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,520
He wouldn't even listen to us.
477
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,040
So they started arguing.
478
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,880
I could see that Leo
was getting upset...
479
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,440
..so I went to pick him up
out of his pushchair.
480
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,680
And Mr Peters told me
to put him back.
481
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,320
But I...
482
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,520
I just...wanted tocomfort my son.
483
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,040
And then what?
484
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,360
He just went mad - Mr Peters.
485
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:46,920
He started trying to grab at Leo,
486
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so I turned away to protect him.
487
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:54,400
Then what happened?
488
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,280
And then he came at me again.
489
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,360
So I pushed him away. And erm...
490
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:04,480
hefell over.
491
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,560
What was Miss Pendle doing
during all of this?
492
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,520
She didn't do anything.
493
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,640
I mean, she didn't kick him.
494
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,920
Neither of us did.
495
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,000
He must have banged his head
when he fell over.
496
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,800
But I don't know why Ruth
is saying that I kicked him
497
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,640
because she knowsthat I didn't.
498
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,720
I honestly... I didn't kick him.
499
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,280
Thank you.
500
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,880
Mr Jenkins.
501
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,920
How long were you and Miss Pendle
dating before you broke up?
502
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,960
About six months.
503
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,320
And how would you describe
your relationship?
504
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,480
I loved Ruth.
505
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,600
But Miss Pendle ended it
and never told you she was pregnant?
506
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,440
Yeah.
507
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,400
I didn't know about Leo until
a couple of weeks before I saw him.
508
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,840
Why do YOU think
she never told you about him?
509
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,400
Milady...
510
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,920
my client cannot possibly
read the mind of Miss Pendle.
511
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,400
Rephrase please, Miss Smythson.
512
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:24,040
Would it be fair to say that you
and Miss Pendle used to argue?
513
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Sometimes.
514
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,360
You argued daily, didn't you?
515
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:28,960
I can't remember.
516
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,320
Arguments of such a scale
that she was terrified of you.
517
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,000
I never hit her!I'm not suggesting
you did, Mr Jenkins.
518
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,800
There's no need to get angry.
519
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,720
On the night Miss Pendle left,
did you have an argument?
520
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Erm...
521
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,160
we might have.
522
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,560
You might have.
523
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,880
Could it be why she didn't tell you
about the baby?
524
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,720
Because she didn't want you to know.
She knew you had a temper
525
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,800
and she didn't want her unborn child
to ever have to see that.
526
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,120
No, that's not -
No further questions.
527
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,800
Keep going like this
and they'll stitch each other up.
528
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,560
Would you say you're
of average build, Mr Jenkins?
529
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000
What?
What height are you? Six foot?
530
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,440
Erm I'm five...five, eleven.
531
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,800
You say you were worried about Mr
Peters hurting you and your son,
532
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,440
hence you pushed him
in self defence.
533
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,960
Is that correct?
Yeah. Yeah, it is.
534
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,280
Mr Peters was five-foot, six,
535
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,640
and of slight build.
Are we really to believe
you thought he could hurt you?
536
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,920
He was going mad.
He was shouting at me.
537
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,360
But surely you could have dealt
with that?
538
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,400
In fact...
539
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,960
...that's exactly
what you did four years ago
540
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,000
when a man shouted at you
in the street.
541
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,080
You attacked him, didn't you?
542
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,800
I've already been through this
with Mr Linten.
543
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,360
But what Mr Linten conveniently
forgot to tell thecourt
544
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,480
is that the man you attacked
was gay?
545
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,440
That's not why I pushed him.
546
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,600
That's not why I pushed him.
547
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,560
It's not why I pushed him.
548
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,720
No further questions.
549
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,360
One down, one to go.
550
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,840
Don't assume you'll have such
an easy time with Ruth tomorrow.
551
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,320
I can't see her posing
too many problems.
552
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,720
Really? Not sure she'll snap quite
as easily as you think.
553
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,560
Pardon?
554
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,720
I know about your little plan
to wind up Ruth, get her angry,
555
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880
show the jury her temper,
556
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,560
which in your world
makes her capable of murder.
557
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Kate.Once a defence barrister,
always a defence barrister.
558
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,040
What the hell did you think
you were playing at?
559
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,760
She worked it out for herself.
With a little help from you.
560
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,000
I'm sorry.
I thought I could trust her.
561
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,080
Loyalties don't exist in our world,
Kate.
562
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,960
Lydia told me to try
and undermine me,
563
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,800
make me question
what else she knows.
564
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,240
Jake's right.
You fell straight into her trap.
565
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,840
You both know I don't agree with
prosecuting Ruth for murder.
566
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Of all the people to tell that to,
you chose Ruth Pendle's barrister.
567
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,640
We're mates.We were in the same
chambers for five years.
568
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,400
Which clearly counts for nothing.
569
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,920
You crossed a line, Kate, a line
which could jeopardise this trial.
570
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,960
I knew it was a risk taking you on.
571
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,000
What's that supposed to mean?
That Lydia's right.
572
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,080
Once a defence barrister -
Don't be ridiculous.
573
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,800
I didn't know
you lot did late shifts.
574
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,960
What are you doing here?
575
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,240
I was just dropping off some files.
576
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,000
What's your excuse?
577
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Just going over Neil Jenkins' notes.
578
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,840
See if there's anything
we've missed.
579
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Right. I saw Jake at the court.
580
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,120
We were talking about the case.
581
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,200
He said you had a problem with it.
Look at this, Ron.
582
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,680
Blood marks on Neil Jenkins' shoes.
Mm-hm.
583
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:15,040
Surely we can argue that they're
from kicking Mr Peters.You can,
584
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,200
but then defence will argue the fact
585
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,800
that the blood may have splashed
onto the shoe
586
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,560
when Mr Peters got hit
from his wound.
587
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,520
You sound like Jake.
Hmph.
588
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,760
Is that your sister?
589
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Yeah.
590
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,960
I bet you miss her, eh?
591
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,680
What?
592
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,520
You know what, Kate?
593
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,080
A few weeks back
594
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,640
I had to go through missing persons
reports for young women,
595
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,600
and came across an Elizabeth Barker.
596
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,400
It's Beth.
597
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Yeah, well... Beth.
598
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,840
It said on the report that she lived
in Manchester,
599
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,760
but now thought to be living
somewhere in London.
600
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,640
History of drug abuse.
601
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,200
And the contact details on the form
were for a Kate Barker.
602
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,480
Why didn't you say anything?
603
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,720
I didn't need to.
604
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,520
Not until now, anyway.
605
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,600
So, is that why you've got an issue
with the case?
606
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,920
Because it might be a bit too close
to home?
607
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,040
Spot the detective.
608
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,920
Well, I like to think sometimes
that I get it right.
609
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,720
Did you also read that she'd had
her baby taken away?
610
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,600
Yeah, I did.
611
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,640
I assume Jake doesn't know?
612
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Like he'd care.Well that's a bit
harsh, don't you think?
613
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,520
No, no, what is harsh, Ronnie,
is what happened to Ruth.
614
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,000
The system didn't help her
when she needed it,
615
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,080
and now we're left mopping up
their mess.
616
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,960
If she hadn't got pregnant
she never would have been noticed.
617
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,640
Is that what happened to your sister?
618
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,920
Beth started hanging around
with this gang after school.
619
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,360
It turned out the lad she fancied
was into drugs.
620
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,200
So, I guess she was trying to
impress him.
621
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,160
But instead of helping her...
622
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,240
..Mum just stuck her head
in the sand,
623
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:39,160
and Dad...
624
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,080
Dad kicked her out.
625
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,640
And where did she go?
626
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,480
On the streets.
627
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,400
She tried to get help
from the social,
628
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,240
but they didn't want to know.
629
00:34:51,240 --> 00:34:53,240
No, not until she got pregnant.
630
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,040
And then when the baby was born,
they took her away.
631
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,440
I haven't heard from her since.
632
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000
I call her mobile all the time
633
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,400
just to hear her voice
on the answerphone.
634
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,080
I wonder what she'd do, your sister,
635
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,280
if she had the chance
to get her baby back?
636
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,800
Oh!Whatever it takes.
637
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,080
I remember the day she said goodbye
to her for the last time.
638
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,360
She cried so hard, it...
639
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,520
..it was like her daughter had died.
640
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,680
Yeah, I bet.
641
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,840
That must have been what it was like
for Ruth, eh?
642
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,160
Finally, someone gets
what I've been saying.
643
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,760
Kate...
644
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,760
..that's not what I mean.
645
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,120
I sympathise with Ruth's plight,
I really do.
646
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,880
And you've just said yourself
647
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,480
your sister would do whatever
it takes to get her child back.
648
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,960
So why can't the same apply
to Ruth Pendle?
649
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,000
You're late.
650
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,440
Do you want me in court?
651
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,880
Can you put your opinions on one
side and do the job in hand?
652
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,320
Yeah.
653
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,760
Stitch me up again
and you won't get another chance.
654
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,200
And tidy yourself up.
655
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,920
I don't want the judge seeing
my assistant looking a mess.
656
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,920
I'm not your-
You are what I tell you to be.
657
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,840
I needed Neil
to help me get Leo back.
658
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,640
And why was that?
659
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,840
I didn't put him
on the birth certificate,
660
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,040
which meant he could fight
the adoption.
661
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,400
So you didn't want to be
in a relationship with him?
662
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,280
No.
663
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,680
Can you tell the court why not?
664
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,800
I knew it wouldn't work.
665
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,480
We used to argue all the time
and sometimes he got angry.
666
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,520
Angry? How?
667
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,440
Shouting.
668
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,280
And sometimes I thought
he was going to hit me.
669
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:30,760
Milady, is this relevant?
670
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,960
I'm demonstrating to the court
that my clients only intentions
671
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,000
were to be reunited with her child.
672
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,800
So desperate was she to do that,
673
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,880
that she asked for the help
of a man she was scared of.
674
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,880
Milady, we are not making
closing speeches just yet.
675
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,400
Get to the point, Miss Smythson.
676
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:55,800
How did Mr Jenkins react when Mr
Peters started "coming at him"?
677
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,200
He lashed out.
What do you mean by that?
678
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,120
I shouted at him to stop and tried
to grab Leo, but he wouldn't listen.
679
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,760
And then what happened?
680
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040
Neil pushed Mr Peters really hard
and he hit the ground.
681
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,320
He tried to get up again,
so Neil kicked him in the head.
682
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:22,080
You saw Mr Jenkins kick him?
683
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,560
Yes.
684
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120
We'll take a short adjournment.
685
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,000
All rise.
686
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,160
Jake.
687
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:54,040
What if I've got it wrong?
Sorry?
688
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,680
If Neil is the only one who can
contest the adoption order,
689
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,080
then whywould Ruth make sure
he got found guilty?
690
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,720
If he goes to prison
there's no hope of that happening.
691
00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:05,840
Which she obviously knows.
Exactly.
692
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,520
But if she goes along with his story
of self-defence,
693
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,280
there's a smallchance the jury
might find them not guilty.
694
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,480
But it's a big risk.
695
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,200
The pathologist report shows
that Mr Peters was killed
696
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,040
by a blunt force to the head.
697
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,840
The most likely outcome
is a guilty verdict for both.
698
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,600
Unless Ruth points the finger firmly
at Neil
699
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,200
and removes any evidence
implicating herself.
700
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,280
How long had you been taking drugs
before you got pregnant?
701
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,560
A few years.And did Mr Jenkins
share the same pastime?
702
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,480
No. He'd never touched them.
703
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,080
What did Mr Jenkins say
when he found out?
704
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,320
Miss Pendle?
705
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,560
He didn't know.
706
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,040
You lied to him?
Yes.
707
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,080
You must be very good at lying
708
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,200
to have kept not only your drug use
from Mr Jenkins,
709
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,640
but also the fact you were pregnant.
710
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,880
How do we know you're not lying now?
711
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,000
What?How do we know
you're not lying
712
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,120
about the day Mr Peters was killed?
713
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,000
It was him. I swear.
714
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,120
What size shoe are you, Miss Pendle?
Sorry?
715
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,560
My Lady?
716
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,960
Answer the question, please.
717
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,840
Five.
718
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,640
So why were the shoes the police
removed from you,
719
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,880
at the time of your arrest,
a size seven?
720
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:31,280
In fact, if the jury look at
the shoes on the CCTV image
721
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,720
of Miss Pendle at the home
of Mr Peters,
722
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:37,680
and then at the shoes
forensics photographed,
723
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:39,800
you'llsee they're different.
724
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,160
I appreciate to the untrained eye
they might look the same,
725
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,600
butthankfully I have an unhealthy
obsession with trainers.
726
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,880
I never did come to terms
with heels.
727
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,080
But you'll notice that
there's a very thin white stripe
728
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,320
on the trainers in the CCTV image.
729
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:03,440
Yet it's vanished by the time Miss
Pendle is arrested on the same day.
730
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,640
Can you explain that?
731
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,120
The photo must have something on it.
732
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,960
I think we both know
the real answer.
733
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,480
You swapped trainers
with those of Lisa Longwood,
734
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,600
the woman whose home
youwere found at.
735
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,160
And I think you swapped those
trainers because you knew
736
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,840
that forensics would find traces
737
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,440
of Mr Peter's DNA on yours
from where you had kicked him.
738
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,840
That's ridiculous.
739
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,080
What was it like
the day you gave Leo up?
740
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,280
Pardon?
741
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,480
Tell us about it.
742
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,400
Help us to understand
what you've been through.
743
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,040
Social Services came
to my mother's to get him.
744
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,320
I remember holding him in my arms
for the last time.
745
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,320
I'd just given him a bath
and he smelt all clean.
746
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,880
I told him
that his mummy loved him...
747
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,760
..and one day I'd see him again.
748
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,760
And that's why you wanted him back?
749
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,520
Yes.
750
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,360
So badly that you'd do anything.
751
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,280
He's my son.
752
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,200
So badly that you wouldn't let
anyone stand in your way.
753
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,440
He belongs with me.
No.
754
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,720
He belongs with his parents.
755
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,480
Gareth Wilks and Richard Peters.
756
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,680
Only he's lost one of those now,
hasn't he? You made sure of that.
757
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,880
No.You waited until Mr Jenkins
had left with Leo
758
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,080
and then you kicked Mr Peters
inthe head.
759
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,800
I didn't.
You wanted to make sure
760
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,280
that he never took your baby boy
away again, didn't you?
761
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,400
That's not what happened.
You're his mum, Ruth.
762
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,520
Didn't you love him enough to fight
for him?Yes. Yes, of course I did.
763
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,040
Of course you did.
764
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,600
You were prepared
to let Neil Jenkins believe
765
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,520
that he'd killed Richard Peters
when he pushed him.
766
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,400
Prepared to lie under oath
so that you got off.
767
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,200
You switched trainers
with those of Lisa Longwood,
768
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,520
knowing that yours wouldprove
you kicked Mr Peters in the head.
769
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,360
In fact, you were prepared
to do whatever it takes,
770
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,160
weren't you, Ruth?
771
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,200
No further questions.
772
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,800
On the count of murder
of Richard Peters,
773
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,920
how do you find the defendant
Neil Jenkins?
774
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,800
Not guilty.
775
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,440
On the count of murder, how do find
the defendant Ruth Pendle?
776
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,320
Guilty.
777
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,880
How on earth did you figure out
the trainer thing?
778
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,760
Like I said, unhealthy obsession.
779
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,960
I'm sorry for being such a pain.
780
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,520
You're forgiven. Just.
Kate!
781
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,000
Oh, yes?Something I should know?
782
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,520
Plenty, Jake. There's plenty.
Can I get you a drink?
783
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,000
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