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The thing inside of me, it's like...

the appetite, it's like a wolf that's...

feeling... the hunger.

[Dr. Delatorre] I think any time there's the concept

of an unprovoked attack,

the idea of unpredictable violence

is something that's very unsettling for -- for anybody.

The fact that this attack appeared to be out of the blue

and unprovoked is, by itself, very worrisome.

When you add the layer that he's already got charges,

he's got a history of criminality, that's what brings

the question of psychopathy into it.

Often individuals start out with lower-level crimes

and then graduate, as it were, to more severe things,

including an escalation of violence.

These individuals have been duct-taped and dragged

and beaten with blunt objects.

There is a level of savagery here that's unexpected,

given the profile that these two individuals,

Wendy and Randall Bjorge, of being people who were

pillars of the community.

There's a distinct odor of bleach that was meant to mask

the smell of a corpse, right?

It looked like that there was a party there.

It's disturbing on its face, because it shows again that

whoever did this crime flaunted it.

They wanted to take what was the Bjorges' and use it for

their own selves, and they wanted

to dance on the graves of these two bodies.

[reporter] On Saturday, police found the bodies

of the grandparents inside their Furlong Run home.

A short time later, authorities were finally able

to track down Bjorge and Rider.

Police say the two tried to kill themselves

as a SWAT team surrounded them.

[Dr. Vienna] So what we know about Cassie Bjorge here

is that she's no stranger to law enforcement.

She has a history of early behavior problems,

running away for days at a time,

not getting along with her mother,

having the police called to her house 31 times.

She's describing her woes in life,

her troubles, her challenges.

And I think that's because she's setting the stage

for a possible excuse of why this all happened.

She's just not taking any responsibility and creating

a new narrative, which could possibly be a defense for her.

What's interesting is that we see Cassie Bjorge's body language,

and even the range of emotion, be very shallow.

She's very conversational. She's very matter of fact.

This is such a violent crime, violent offense.

Two people murdered, her grandparents at that,

and she has really no emotion, no remorse about it.

She's just so willing to talk about her story with officers,

probably because she wants to have it heard.

I think what happens here is you see on full display

the disconnect that Cassie has with understanding

how much of a problem her behavior has been

in taking any responsibility for that.

Instead, how she perceives all of these mishaps

is that she's been rejected by her grandparents.

You know, she's the victim here,

probably because her ego can't, you know,

handle the fact that she did wrong.

There's an eerie feeling that you get when you listen

to her describe this act, because it's cold,

it's detached, it's calculated.

She is feeding off of the emotional state that

she is experiencing.

She is enjoying it.

She's literally having a good time doing this.

[Dr. Vienna] Part of the narcissistic traits

that are very prominent here is Cassie

dehumanizing her grandmother.

You know, it's -- she makes the comment,

"It's so gross that she peed herself."

And it's like, well, she was in fear.

You were beating her to death,

and we're not seeing any sort of remorse or empathy for that.

We're just seeing Cassie being self-centered --

"It's about me. I was grossed out."

And she's offended that people are not understanding

that it's perfectly plausible, in her mind, that to caulk

the doors, and to invite people over,

and to take Snapchat videos,

all of this stuff makes sense to her.

There's an element of fantasy life being played here,

but the fantasy life is not her and Rider being together

and having a house.

The fantasy is her not having any authority

imposing its will onto what she wants to do.

[Dr. Delatorre] In their dreams, they wanna be Bonnie and Clyde.

But these two, all they really want is to have

the freedom and authority that their parents and grandparents

are just trying to take away from them.

She's just wanting to be reductive

in how she's approaching her criminality.

And because it's coming as a partnership,

the element is Bonnie and Clyde,

because there really isn't anything other that she could use.

[Dr. Saraiya] Compared to being in-depth,

these feelings are absolutely superficial.

But even beyond being superficial,

they're -- they're not her own.

You know, they're her imagination

of what she's supposed to feel like.

And certainly, she is very much focused on,

as psychopaths tend to be,

on herself and her own needs.

There's no emotion behind it.

She's sort of choosing the words that she kind of

quickly in the moment is sort of figuring out, like,

"How am I -- oh, they're asking me this for a reason.

Oh, right, this is how I'm supposed to be feeling."

[Dr. Saraiya] For Cassie Bjorge and Johnny Rider,

I think this is a case

where love does not conquer all.

They don't care about what other people

are trying to instill in them.

They'll always buck control.

They'll always view authority as being something negative.

And then with these two in particular, I think we have

an element of fire and ice,

with Johnny Rider being this fuel, this fire,

that really propels violence.

And then we have this ice of Bjorge,

where not that she's calculated,

but that there's an element of coldness.

There's an element of distantness.

There's an element of -- she's willing to do

whatever she wants to whomever she wants.

And she will use her weapon, Johnny,

however it is that she sees fit.

[Dr. Vienna] So the most jarring thing

about this whole interview with Bjorge is that

never did she show any ounce of remorse,

very, very little emotion, if any.

And at the very end, when she's called out by the detective

that she hasn't shown any emotion, that's sort of like

her cue to put on the final performance.

She even, like, conjures up some tears.

And I think it's her last bid to the detectives that,

you know, she does feel remorse

and she's gonna try to get out of this.

I think it's starting to set in for her that she's gonna be

held accountable and that makes her upset.

The heartless and depraved nature

of what the two of you did says to me...

it's not...

it's not worth my fight.