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[theme music playing]

[man 1 speaking]

[man 2 speaking]

[man 3 speaking]

[man 4] The thing inside of me is like... the appetite.

It's like a wolf that's...

feeling...

the hunger.

[doorbell rings]

[Saunders sobbing]

[Dr. Sahni] When Gavin's talking to the police,

he never asks about the wellbeing or welfare of his family.

He's trying to present himself as a nice kid,

somebody who wants to help them in whatever way is possible,

that he's going to be cooperative.

And really, what those are are his superficial

and somewhat elementary attempts at manipulating them.

[Walker starts sobbing]

[Walker crying]

[Walker sobbing]

[Walker sniffs]

[Dr. Sahni] As Rebecca becomes more emotional,

and starts to talk more directly to her father,

what we learn is that she's a teenager who's struggling.

She's lonely, she's depressed,

and Rebecca is clinging to this relationship,

because in her mind and in her teenage perspective on the world, Gavin's it.

[Dr. Bardey] What's amazing is that something absolutely horrible has happened,

people have been brutally murdered,

and her takeaway is that it's all about her.

You guys did not make me feel special.

He made me feel special.

And there we begin to see the Romeo and Juliet

story start to come together.

[Walker sobbing]

[Walker moans]

We get introduced to Smith and we find out a few things about him.

Obviously, he has some sort of speech impediment.

Which in and of itself doesn't necessarily mean anything

in terms of his intellectual or cognitive functioning,

but can have significant repercussions in terms of his social life,

in terms of how he was treated by fellow classmates.

[Dr. Sahni] And when he's asked about the people in his family,

he talks about them in the third person.

This is the baby, this is the stepfather,

and this is the mother, as if he's talking about a story.

Something outside his own family. There's no real attachment.

There's just no emotion coming from this teenager.

[Dr. Bardey] The detective is very clever.

He says, "Some of your family members are dead."

He doesn't say all. We never hear Smith say, "Who?

Who's dead? Who's alive?"

He doesn't ask any of those questions, which is very odd.

Not so odd if he knows the answer.

[Dr. Bardey] He's not answering the question at all.

He's frontloading his answer with excuses to try to justify what he's done.

So that right there shows calculated thinking.

He's thinking to try to reduce his culpability,

and that's very psychopathic.

[Dr. Sahni] Despite the fact that he knows his stepfather and mother and brothers

have been dead for this period of time,

he's saying that for the past two days his stepfather has tried to kill him.

He points to a place where he was sliced on his arm,

and there's no real wound there.

Gavin is not worried about fact-checking.

He's not worried about the credibility of what he's saying.

Some of that we see in teenagers in general,

they kind of engage in this magical thinking.

But some of this is also consistent with what we see in psychopathic individuals

who compulsively or pathologically lie.

[Dr. Bardey] What the teacher describes here,

is really cements the fact that Smith was marginalized.

He didn't like going to school because I'm sure school was a difficult place.

His speech impediment set him up to be the target of horrific bullying.

So that again is fueling this anger.

Now, this profile that's coming out of this picture,

begins to look like the profile of a school shooter.

Of someone who, at some point, is going to snap,

and want retribution against everyone,

for all the harm he feels he's suffered.

[Dr. Rosenberg] The big thing that stands out to me

is that she describes Walker as a boy-obsessed individual.

And it seems like Walker's self-esteem,

self-identity and self-worth,

were very tied to a man's perception of her

or whether or not she had a romantic partner.

When Smith talks about how he killed his entire family,

he does it as though he was describing what he had for breakfast.

It's completely devoid of any of the associated emotions that you would expect.

[Dr. Sahni] And when we think about psychopathic individuals

oftentimes there's a lack of remorse. There's a lack of guilt.

There's a willingness to just blame others.

To stay superficial in their emotions and their attachment.

That Gavin Smith just kind of rolls over,

and he flip-flops on his story,

and pretty immediately says, "I got mixed up.

I was the one that did all of this."

There was nothing that Gavin Smith got mixed up about.

He was quite clear and focused.

And so much so that he shot three of the family members

in the head, point-blank,

and then went to his baby brother's room,

slit his throat and then shot him in the head.

[Dr. Bardey] This clip is incredibly disturbing in terms of

showing us a glimpse of Rebecca Walker's mindset.

She saw his hand on the gun as this was happening,

and yet did nothing to intervene.

So, why... why would that be?

Is she so frightened? It didn't seem that way.

Could she have gone to the police? Of course.

Could she have told her grandmother? Absolutely.

But she tells you why at the end of the clip.

Because she wanted him to be with her.

And what greater power there is,

than to know that someone killed for you.

So clearly now Romeo and Juliet have become Bonnie and Clyde.

She not only knew about it, but she encouraged him

to kill every member of his family.

So we get a very, very disturbing picture of a young woman

who feels that it's so important for her to be loved

that she's willing to be complicit in multiple murders in order to prove that.

Maybe she even, kind of, weaponized it.

Maybe she was able to push him over the edge

to do what she needed for her own self-esteem.

He had nothing left.

And yet she had all of him. And that's all she wanted.

And that kind of thought process,

can only be described as psychopathic.

[Dr. Sahni] What's really important to realize here,

is in Walker's own interrogation,

she's not showing any emotions.

She's not showing any concern for all these people

that have lost their lives senselessly.

[Dr. Bardey] If the two really wanted to be together,

they could have run off together.

No one had to die for the two of them to be together.

So the motivation was not that his family needed to die for them to be together.

The motivation was, his family had to die for her to be happy.

And that's really chilling.

And that really paints a picture of Rebecca Walker,

as the bigger psychopath of the two.

[TV announcer] The jury showing graphic and disturbing photos

from inside the family's home.

Smith occasionally glanced up at the photos,

but showed no emotions as they were on display.

You murdered your entire family in cold blood, Mr. Smith.

I find that you have zero remorse for your actions.

Your actions can only be described as an act of pure evil.