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[man] The thing inside of me is like the appetite.

It's like a wolf that's feeling the hunger.

[reporter] A missing person report

for Father Rene Robert was filed on Tuesday.

Friends said when Father Rene

stopped updating his social media,

they knew something must be wrong.

[Dr. Nameeta Sahni] Murray is referring to himself

as someone who is

notorious and synonymous with a terrorist,

and that level of self-importance

that he's placing on his value is revealing.

It gives us some indication into his narcissism,

as well as his willingness, maybe, to harm others.

[Dr. N.G. Berrill] His crying is really all about him,

and how he messed up the crime scene,

and how he's done, because of what he did.

You don't hear anything

about compassion or empathy for his victim.

He's crying about his circumstance, you know,

wants to be consoled in some way.

[reporter] After a tip was called in

from someone who spotted Father Rene's car

near Aiken, South Carolina,

U.S. Marshals were able to locate Murray.

He then led authorities on a high-speed chase

that ended with a car crashing into a tree.

He threatened to kill as many cops as he could, and you know,

and you're out there in the middle of the woods,

and you got a guy in there with rifles and scopes.

Despite claims that he wanted to go out, death by cop,

suicide by cop, he created barriers

to them being able to catch him.

He stole the victim's car,

he crashed it into a tree,

lured the police officers into the woods,

and ultimately, what I suspect was going on with Murray

is he was enjoying the thrill of getting them running.

[Berrill] It's manipulative,

and he feels sorry for himself,

and he feels bad for his circumstance,

so he's telling them something which is kind of wacky,

you know, "to shoot me, let's get this over with."

There's something foolish about the idea

that the police are gonna be sympathetic

to a guy that, you know,

in cold blood murders a priest.

[Sahni] Where we see

some of Murray's psychopathy manifest is

in some of the grandiosity in how he's handling

this interview with the detectives.

Murray has that kind of willingness

to play cat and mouse, to manipulate authorities,

and a total lack of appreciation

for the seriousness of what's going on here.

He is getting his high off of this.

He is enjoying the power and control,

and the fact that he can

absolutely control the narrative.

[Berrill] This guy, in essence, is a parasite.

He doesn't know how to have

real relationships with people.

He doesn't know how to be empathic,

or to show genuine appreciation,

so as long as you're feeding him,

he's a happy guy.

You know, he's getting what he needs.

But if circumstances change, and need be,

you know, he'll pull the trigger.

Father Rene provided him care, he provided him comfort,

he provided him money,

but either way, the irony is that

this individual who treated him

with such kindness

he still was able to treat as an object,

and dispose of him.

He no longer had a purpose.

For most psychopaths,

relationships are entirely transactional.

They have to be getting something out of it.

They have to be gaming the other person.

They have to be acquiring something.

It could be sex, money,

whatever the resources are.

[Sahni] Murray believes he's a smarter criminal,

and if he just continues to deny, deny, deny,

without a body, what are they gonna do?

How are they gonna charge him?

And even the detectives, truth be told,

do realize that without a confession,

and without a body, they are going to have

a difficult time arresting him.

[Sahni] We see pathological lying

in this interrogation

all over the place.

He continues to look at these detectives so sincerely,

and they're talking about life,

and he's just trying to be so cooperative and congenial,

and he continues to play dumb. "I have no idea

where this person is. If I could tell you, I would."

And he doesn't even blink an eye.

His eye contact, his affect seems

very credible and very stable and consistent,

and yet, it's all a lie.

[Sahni] When a female detective walks in

to the interrogation,

Murray's affect, his demeanor, his body language,

everything shifts, and it becomes brighter.

He sits back.

You see a level of confidence in how he's interacting

with this female detective,

and he's starting to flirt with her.

Murray's using what we think of

with psychopathic behavior as superficial charm,

and this is absolutely a marker of psychopathy.

[Sahni] Murray isn't acknowledging her

or addressing her with the same distance

that he does the male detectives.

It's possible he doesn't actually even see her

as an authority figure or law enforcement.

He just sees her as a potential female

who he can victimize.

He's actually trying to put her in her place.

He's trying to overtake her, and victimize her,

and humiliate her

by calling her out on how attractive she is.

[Berrill] He's pouring it on thick

because he wants the officers to see him as a sick person,

and he's taking, almost,

like a passive victim role himself.

[clears throat]

[Sahni] He's coming down off the power and control dynamic.

What's going to happen from here on out is

at the hands of law enforcement,

and their discretion, and their procedures.

What we do see is a very deflated, flat person

who no longer is congenial.

He's no longer showing

grandiosity, and arrogance, and an ego,

yet, there's no humility, either.

This isn't somebody who looks broken

because he realizes that he has remorse and empathy

for what he's done to this human being.

[Sahni] Murray is admitting that he lied to Father Rene.

He essentially lured him in to gain access to his car.

He's sharing some information with detectives

about his willingness to lie, even to a priest.

Maybe he didn't want to be viewed by the priest

as someone who's engaging in criminal behavior.

By putting him in the trunk,

the priest wouldn't see him doing naughty things.

He also may get a high

that is just a simple power and control high from

overpowering another human being,

which we see in this crime against the priest.

[Sahni] This dynamic between them,

the way he describes it

is very much like a parent and a child.

"You're going to be in a great deal of trouble."

[Berrill] He puts one in his chest.

That means he was facing him directly.

And then, one in his head.

He shot him directly, eye to eye,

which is really chilling.

So, the priest saw it coming.

I mean, it's really, miserably cruel.

It really reveals

how vicious a guy this person is.

[Det 1] Okay.

At this point, we see Murray somewhat regressed

in this interview, because now,

he addresses the detective "No, sir."

He starts talking like a child would address an adult.

[Det 1] Right.

Murray describes emotions that he experienced by saying

he cried and cried and cried, for days on end,

but what is important to observe

is there's no actual emotion when he says that,

so they're words.

They're words on paper,

and the narrative, if you follow that path down,

is to how he screwed up his own life,

not a sadness, or a remorse, or a regret for the fact

that he took a human being's life,

and much less, a religious figure,

and somebody who had been like a father to him.

[reporter] You said you're sorry, Mr. Murray.

Is there anything else you have to say?

I'm very sorry.

If anybody really loves Father Rene,

they'll forgive me, because he was a man of God,

and forgiveness is forgiveness.