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[sighs]

[man reading]

[man 2 reading]

[man 3 reading]

[man 4] The thing inside of me was like...

The appetite, it's like a wolf, it's...

[man 5] Killing.

The hunger.

[Dr. Sahni] He'll tell them what he did to his wife

if her ex-husband is present in the room.

The power and the authority that that gives Barnes

is significant.

He is now going to not only get to relive the crime and the violence

that he inflicted on his wife,

but he's going to get to see the emotional reaction

and trauma that it causes on her ex-husband.

He's clearly denying and minimizing,

and not taking responsibility,

and doing what a lot of drug abusers do,

but also psychopaths do blame it on something else.

It's not me, it's the alcohol.

And he's kind of doing the same thing.

It's of the same script.

[voice breaking]

[exhales]

Barnes is trying to paint this as a simple lovers' quarrel

or a marital disagreement

when, in fact, there's broken doors,

there's holes in the walls,

there's door frames that have been removed

by somebody grabbing them and kicking them in.

This is not a situation of two people who had a misunderstanding

that spun out of control.

[sobbing]

He never owns responsibility for killing her.

It's a distanced description.

She kneed him, she thinks. He pushed her down.

It was hard, he doesn't know how it really happened,

but she went face first.

If you think of it like a painting,

you're getting a very broad brush stroke

of something about the scene, but you can't fill in the detail.

[Barnes sobs]

[Barnes seemingly laughs]

The fact that Barnes continued to stay in their home

for two days knowing there was a dead body in the closet,

and he took more care and attention

to make sure the trash was taken out,

dishes were cleaned, that the home was otherwise orderly,

really shows a disconnect.

His feeble attempt at taking the trash out,

so that things look normal

doesn't really compensate or equate to the loss of human life,

but in his mind, they're somehow equal.

They're equal gestures.

[voice breaking]

[Dr. Morgan] Barnes could be alluding to the fact

that he knows more than they know.

It's clear that he's saying,

"If you had known about what I was going to do earlier,

maybe you could have done something about it."

So it's a way of blaming the ex-husband as well.

So he still doesn't have responsibility in his mind for what he did.

Barnes would have us believe this was just a domestic dispute,

but we know that that's not the case.

He had killed before.

This is once again, Barnes taking control of a situation.

You see his psychopathic side really take the lead.

He is narcissistic,

he's arrogant,

and he really understands

that there's a power that he has in this situation

because law enforcement wants to understand what this cold case was about.

[Dr. Morgan] She was Patricia Miller, she was a nurse.

She lived in a complex near him.

It's another reflection of this complete really indifference

to personal identity.

People aren't individuals

to a man like Barnes.

They're things,

and so you can care enough to kill somebody,

but they're not really important to remember

as individual people.

[Dr. Raghavan] There's a lot of sadism.

He enjoyed humiliating her.

He enjoyed hurting her physically.

He enjoyed frightening her.

And it was a prolonged several hours

before he finally killed her.

And he killed in a very personal frightening way

where she was probably experiencing her own death.

So intense rage and a deep desire of destruction

of the other person.

Despite the fact almost 17 years have gone by

from when he committed this violent murder,

and when he's talking about it during this interview with Insco,

he remembers things in a level of detail about taking a bank card,

putting things in a rucksack,

where he exited the house,

whether he left the door locked or unlocked.

Barnes has been reliving this crime in his mind,

getting a euphoria or a high off it all of these years.

[Dr. Sahni] The decision that Barnes made

to enter the victim's apartment nude

suggests that he had a clear intent to sexually assault her.

This is a calculated cold act.

This is somebody who doesn't have any attachment to the victim.

It was about his own sexual gratification,

his own power and control,

and his need to kill.

[Dr. Morgan] Burns start talking about how he's set fires before.

He's set fires when he's a kid,

he's burned a bed before.

This is consistent with what we know

in the psychological research on people with psychopathy,

is they've often engaged in other acts of violence

before they've moved on to torturing humans or killing humans.

Part of the control dynamic

is in planning the hunt, right?

Planning the action.

They've have a fantasy in their head about how it should proceed and go,

the stages that the act will occur in,

and they mentally rehearse it.

This is where we see truly the presentation

of a psychopathic personality.

He does not owe anyone anything,

and as long as he maintains control of the interview, he's good to go.

But the minute where they start asking him about things he looks bad,

or somehow diminish his status,

and his sense of authority,

and compromise his ego and his self-esteem,

he won't go there.

So despite claiming that he would say to Insco,

"Oh, I'll answer anything," he's clearly not willing to.

He doesn't want to talk probably about rejection,

about being humiliated.

He clearly remembers what she said 17 years ago,

and it makes him feel so small and squeamish

that he's able to talk about killing her,

but he can't talk about how rejection made him feel

because it made him feel like nothing.

It made him feel so bad.

And because that moment is so difficult for him,

so humiliating,

he rewrites the story to say that, "I'm actually protecting her reputation."

This is another example of the control,

and the appearance of something being perhaps socially appropriate.

Barnes is almost saying, "I have a spiritual advisor,

I'm a spiritual person,

think of me in this way."

But he's not.

We don't see any signs of contriteness or remorse.

It still is all about him

rather than the victims themselves.

What you see is yet again, he's playing games.

He's manipulating the situation,

he's keeping himself relevant,

he's keeping himself in a position of power and control,

and he's also keeping himself center stage.

He's telling the police without coming right out and saying it,

"You need me. And when I decide to help you, I will."