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Hummel: IN ALL HONESTY,

I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE DEATH PENALTY.

I ACTUALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM BEING PUT TO DEATH FOR WHAT I DID.

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YOU GET TO THE FEELING TO WHERE, YOU KNOW,

EVERYTHING IS MY FAULT.

AN ASTEROID COULD STRIKE THE EARTH,

AND SOMEHOW THAT'S MY FAULT.

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Man: THE THING INSIDE OF ME IS LIKE THE APPETITE.

IT'S LIKE A WOLF THAT'S FEELING HUNGER.

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[ Dialing, ringing ]

[ SIREN WAILING ]

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[ EXPLOSION ]

Officer: WHOO!

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[ SIREN WAILING ]

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HE'S NOT STANDING THERE SPEECHLESS,

LIKE SOME PEOPLE WOULD BE

OR FRANTICALLY SAYING, "GET MY FAMILY! HELP ME!"

IT'S ODD THAT SOMEONE WOULD HAVE THIS AFFECT

AS THEY'RE WATCHING THEIR OWN HOUSE BURN,

PRESUMABLY WITH THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS IN IT.

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HE SEEMS TO HAVE NO EMOTIONAL RECOGNITION OR APPRECIATION

FOR WHAT'S HAPPENING IN FRONT OF HIM.

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PSYCHOPATHS GENERALLY HAVE A PRETTY HIGH BAR

FOR EXPERIENCING FEAR.

SO LET'S SAY THE AVERAGE PERSON

WOULD GET AN ADRENALINE RUSH OR FEEL AFRAID

BY WATCHING A SCARY MOVIE OR GOING ON A ROLLER COASTER.

THESE KIND OF "NORMAL" EXPERIENCES

WOULD NOT REALLY ELICIT A REACTION FROM A PSYCHOPATH.

SO THEY HAVE THESE SORT OF CALLOUS, UNEMOTIONAL TRAITS

THAT YOU DON'T SEE IN ALL CRIMINALS.

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Reporter: A BURNT-OUT SHELL OF A HOME NOW STANDS

WHERE A FAMILY OF FOUR ONCE LIVED.

I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.

AS INVESTIGATORS SIFT THROUGH THE ASHES

AND ASSESS THE TRAGIC SCENE,

FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS GATHERED.

AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POINT OF ORIGIN IS,

AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE CAUSE OF ORIGIN IS ON THE FIRE.

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HE DOESN'T EVEN ASK, "WHO DIDN'T MAKE IT OUT?"

YOU WOULD EXPECT TO FIND OUT WHICH OF YOUR LOVED ONES

HAS LIVED OR DIED.

I THINK HE'S BUSY WORKING ON, "WHAT SHOULD I SAY NEXT?

WHAT SHOULD I DO NEXT?"

Raghavan: IT HAS TO RING SOME ALARM BELLS.

HE'S NOT SAD. HE'S NOT DISTRAUGHT.

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IT WAS APPROXIMATELY THREE MINUTES LATER IN THE INTERVIEW

BEFORE HE ASKED,

"WHO DID NOT MAKE IT OUT OF THE BURNING HOUSE ALIVE?"

Termini: A SUCCESSFUL PSYCHOPATH DOES, OVER TIME,

LEARN WHAT THEIR REACTION SHOULD BE,

AND THEY LEARN THAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS

AND THEY DON'T HAVE THAT REACTION,

IT'S GONNA DRAW ATTENTION TO THEM.

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Reporter #2: POLICE SAY THREE BODIES, INCLUDING ONE OF A SMALL CHILD,

WERE FOUND INSIDE THIS FLAME-ENGULFED HOME

EARLY THIS MORNING.

FAMILY MEMBERS IDENTIFIED THE VICTIMS

AS 34-YEAR-OLD JOY HUMMEL

AND HER 6-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, JODI.

HUMMEL'S FATHER, EDDIE BEDFORD, IS ALSO AMONG THE DECEASED.

SHE JUST FOUND OUT SHE WAS PREGNANT WITH HER SECOND BABY,

AND SHE WAS SO EXCITED.

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AT THIS POINT, WE SHOULDN'T BE SUSPICIOUS

BECAUSE I'M SURE HE'S HURTING, JUST LIKE WE ALL ARE.

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NOBODY'S TOLD US ANY REASON TO BE SUSPICIOUS.

WE JUST WANT HIM TO COME HOME SO HE CAN HEAL WITH US

AND WE CAN HELP HIM HEAL.

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Morgan: WE SEE THAT LYING COMES VERY EASY TO PSYCHOPATHS.

WE DO TEND TO ASSOCIATE LYING

WITH ANXIETY AND EMOTIONAL DISCOMFORT.

PEOPLE WHO HAVE PSYCHOPATHY DON'T FEEL THAT.

THEY DO NOT FEEL A SENSE OF GUILT OR SHAME.

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Berrill: THE PERSON DOING THE EXAMINATION OR INTERROGATION

IS MAKING THE ASSUMPTION

THAT HE'S CAPABLE OF GUILT AND HE'S CAPABLE OF EMPATHY.

AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING WHO HE IS.

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[ SOBBING ]

Detective: YOU CAN LET IT OUT.

[ SOBBING ]

[ SOBBING CONTINUES ]

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[ SOBBING ]

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Tussey: HE'S CRYING, IT APPEARS, IN THE VIDEO.

IT'S KIND OF HARD TO TELL IF THERE ARE ACTUALLY

ANY REAL TEARS THAT ARE BEING SHED.

I THINK IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THIS IS A CALCULATED MOVE

TO SHOW THEM THE EMOTION

THAT HE THINKS THAT HE SHOULD BE SHOWING.

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Reporter #3: POLICE CHIEF TOMMY WILLIAMS

SAYS THE FAMILY FILED A MISSING PERSONS REPORT

OVER THE WEEKEND.

Woman: IT MADE ME FEEL MAD BECAUSE AT THIS WHOLE POINT,

MY FAMILY WAS -- THOUGHT HE WAS A VICTIM HERE, TOO.

Reporter #3: THE TARRANT COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER

RULED LATE TODAY THE JOY HUMMEL, HER FATHER, CLYDE BEDFORD,

AND HER 6-YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, JODI, WERE ALL KILLED

BEFORE LAST FRIDAY'S FIRE.

JOY WAS APPARENTLY STABBED TO DEATH

WHILE CLYDE AND JOY WERE APPARENTLY BEATEN TO DEATH.

Man: AND IT'S STILL HARD TO BELIEVE

SOMEBODY COULD DO THAT TO THEIR OWN CHILD.

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HE REMAINS REALLY NUMB AND UNEMOTIONAL

AND IS THINKING OF IT IN TERMS OF STRATEGY.

"I HAD DIFFERENT CHOICES.

WHY DID I TAKE SUCH A STUPID CHOICE?"

NOT, "WHY DID I DO SUCH A HORRIBLE THING?"

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AND THAT IS WHY THIS WOMAN BECOMES SO IMPORTANT.

SHE BECOMES HIS FANTASY FIGURE WHO MAKES HIM FEEL MASCULINE.

I THINK HE BUILT THIS ALTERNATE REALITY

WHERE, YOU KNOW, HE'S FILLED WITH SORT OF MAGICAL THINKING

AND HE WANTS A MAGICAL SOLUTION.

AND, YOU KNOW, THAT MEANS HE WAVES A WAND

AND ALL HIS TROUBLES GO AWAY.

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I DON'T FEAR DEATH.

I'M NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO IT EITHER.

WHEN I DO SOMETHING RIGHT, NO ONE REMEMBERS.

WHEN I DO SOMETHING WRONG, NO ONE FORGETS.

Detective #2: OKAY.

OKAY.

TELL ME...

Morgan: WHEN HE SAYS, "I KNOW IT WAS WRONG,"

IT'S MORE ACKNOWLEDGING IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.

OR I ACKNOWLEDGE IT WAS ILLEGAL.

Termini: PSYCHOPATHS,

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY DO SOMETHING,

IT'S AGAINST THE LAW OR IT'S IMMORAL.

THEY JUST DON'T NECESSARILY CARE.

OKAY. OKAY.

Termini: IT'S KIND OF THIS COMMON DENOMINATOR

THAT EVERYBODY FEELS BAD WHEN A CHILD IS HARMED.

PEOPLE WITH A FULL RANGE OF EMOTIONS

ARE GOING TO FEEL BAD, EXCEPT A PSYCHOPATH.

THEY'RE PSYCHOPATHIC TENDENCIES APPLY TO EVERYBODY.

SO NOT JUST TO ADULTS, BUT TO CHILDREN.

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Hummel: TESTING, TESTING, ONE, TWO, THREE.

IS THAT GOOD? YOU CAN HEAR ME?

YEAH, I MEAN, PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND.

SOMETIMES THERE'S NOT AN EXPLANATION.

SOMETIMES THINGS JUST HAPPEN.

THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON TO IT.

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