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Woman: STATE POLICE SAY THE BODIES OF THREE WOMEN

WERE FOUND AT THE BLACK BEAR INN IN NEWRY.

THEY APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN SHOT TO DEATH.

THIS IS A PARTICULARLY GRUESOME, UH,

UNUSUAL TYPE OF CRIME.

Woman: POLICE SAY 31-YEAR-OLD CHRISTIAN NIELSEN

IS THEIR ONLY SUSPECT.

Man: WE ARE ROLLING.

[ FOOTSTEPS ]

[ SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY ]

Detective: OKAY.

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UH...

- DID HE SEE THE GUN? - Detective: YEAH.

NO.

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Man: THERE'S A THING INSIDE OF ME, IT'S LIKE...

THE APPETITE.

IT'S LIKE A WOLF THAT'S...

FILLING...WITH HUNGER.

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Detective: SO THEN WHERE DO YOU GO?

[ FOOTSTEPS ]

I SAID I HAVE TO -- I HAVE TO GO TO THE BATHROOM.

YOU KNOW, I SORT OF STOOD UP, I SAID, "OH, I GOTTA GO

- TO THE BATHROOM HERE." - Detective: YEAH.

AND HE SAID, "UH-HUH." [ SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY ]

Nielsen: I HAD BUMMED A CIGARETTE FROM HIM.

WHEN HE WAS JUST ABOUT DONE WITH HIS CIGARETTE,

I STOOD UP,

AND I TURNED AROUND, AND I WALKED BEHIND HIM,

AND I SHOT HIM.

[ GUNSHOT BLASTS ]

FROM A PSYCH STANDPOINT, I LOOK FOR WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE

PSYCHOMOTOR AGITATION, SORT OF IS HE RESTLESS,

IS HE FIDGETING? IS HE UNCOMFORTABLE?

BUT IT GIVES US A SIGN THAT THERE'S MORE

GOING ON IN HIS HEAD THAN WHAT HE'S SAYING.

BUT HE DOESN'T APPEAR THAT WAY.

FROM HIS BODY LANGUAGE

AND THE WAY HE'S DESCRIBING HIS ACTION,

HE'S INDIFFERENT TO ACTUALLY THE CONTENT

OF WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THIS WAS NECESSARILY ABOUT JIM.

THIS WAS SOMETHING HE WAS GONNA DO REGARDLESS.

YOU UNDERSTAND IF SOMEONE WANTS TO KILL YOU

BECAUSE THEY HATE YOU, BUT YOU HAVE NO MEANING

ULTIMATELY, TO A PSYCHOPATH -- IT'S LIKE AN OBJECT.

YOU'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN A COFFEE CUP OR THAN THAT TABLE.

SO IT'S ABSOLUTELY IMPERSONAL,

BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S SO SCARY ABOUT IT.

HIS BODY WENT JUST LIKE THAT, AND THEN I SHOT HIM AGAIN

JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT HE WAS DEAD,

AND THEN, LIKE I SAID, HE HAD A BIG TORSO, BUT...

LITTLE LEGS, VERY TINY LEGS.

Termini: JIM, CHRISTIAN'S FIRST VICTIM, SUFFERED FROM POLIO,

WHICH IS WHY HE DESCRIBES HIM AS HAVING THE LEGS OF A CHILD.

CHRISTIAN COULD HAVE SEEN JIM AS SORT OF, UM, PRIME PREY.

HE WOULD HAVE BEEN EASY TO CHASE OR TO SORT OF

HUNT DOWN,

SO HE WAS KIND OF A GOOD GATEWAY INTO MURDER.

Detective: OKAY.

Morgan: HE'S KEEPING THE BRANCHES, YOU KNOW,

FROM STRIKING HER, WHICH SEEMS LIKE AN ACT OF KINDNESS.

IT'S WHAT I WOULD CALL SOMETHING THAT IS DUTIFUL.

I THINK THAT'S, UM, THAT'S

PROBABLY THE UNDERPINNING OF SUPERFICIAL CHARM.

THEY ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THE FEELING

THEY'RE TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE.

BUT SINCE THEY DON'T HAVE THE GENUINE EMOTION

THAT SHOULD GO WITH IT,

THAT'S WHAT -- THAT'S WHAT GIVES THE TERM SUPERFICIAL, RIGHT?

Detective: YOU STOPPED HERE.

Nielsen: IF YOU LOOK, I'M SURE, TOMORROW, YOU'LL SEE BLOOD

- HERE SOMEWHERE. - Detective: OKAY.

BACK...

MAYBE BACK A BIT,

BUT THERE'S BLOOD ALL THROUGH HERE.

- Detective: OKAY. - THERE'S BLOOD

ALL IN THAT TRAIL.

AT THAT POINT, I WAS JUST LIKE, HOO!

SO I PUT THE GUN BACK AT MY WAIST,

AND MAYBE I SHOT HIM AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE.

AND THEN I SAID, "I GOTTA GO TO WORK," AND I WENT TO WORK.

- I WALKED BACK UP, AND... - Detective: YOU LEFT HIM HERE.

Nielsen: LEFT HIM HERE.

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Nielsen: I STARTED DIGGING -- MY INTENTIONS WERE TO

DIG A GRAVE, BUT, UH...

[ LAUGHS SHORTLY ]

IT WOULD'VE BEEN SHALLOW.

Detective: SO WHEN YOU FIRST GOT OUT HERE, TOOK A SHOVEL OUT,

AND STARTED DIGGING HERE.

THESE DIMENSIONS RIGHT HERE -- YOU CAN SEE WHERE

- I STARTED DIGGING. - Detective: YEAH.

HE ACTUALLY LAUGHS.

YOU CAN HEAR HIM KIND OF DOING THIS SING-SONG

ALMOST LAUGHING VOICE.

SOMEBODY -- I JUST FELT THAT IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

Detective: YOU DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE HIM OUT IN THE OPEN.

SHE'S PUSHING FOR A MORE

SUBTLE UNDERSTANDING OF WELL, YOU KNOW,

WHAT WERE YOU FEELING?

IT SEEMS TO THROW HIM FOR A LOOP.

SHE IS PUSHING FOR HIS FEELINGS, AND HE DOESN'T REALLY HAVE THEM.

[ FIRE CRACKLING ]

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SO ANYWAY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'M OUT HERE DIGGING A GRAVE.

- Detective: OKAY. - Nielsen: ALL RIGHT.

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Nielsen: UH...

Woman: 50-YEAR-OLD JIMMY WHITEHURST WAS FOUND

IN A SHALLOW GRAVE.

HE'D BEEN SHOT, THEN HIS BODY BURNED.

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PSYCHOPATHS DO HAVE LOWER IMPULSE CONTROL.

THEIR DORSOLATERAL PREFRONTAL CORTEX, IN MOST

PSYCHOPATHS, IS SMALLER THAN THE AVERAGE PERSON,

AND THIS IS DIMINISHED IN A PSYCHOPATH.

CHRISTIAN DID NOT HAVE GREAT IMPULSE CONTROL.

I THINK HE ENJOYED KILLING JIM,

AND HE WANTED TO DO IT AGAIN, SO HE DID.

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HE WAS DOING COOK LINE WORK

AND PROBABLY DIDN'T ATTRACT ANYONE'S ATTENTION

AS SOMEONE WHO WAS BIZARRE OR SCARY OR INTIMIDATING,

AND HE DOESN'T APPARENTLY, UM,

ENGAGE IN ODD OR PECULIAR OR WEIRD BEHAVIORS,

HE WOULD'VE LOOKED LIKE AN EVERYDAY INDIVIDUAL

WHO WAS SMART.

[ NIELSEN LAUGHING ]

Termini: THIS IS AN ILLOGICAL THING TO ASK HIM,

IN HIS MIND -- WHY ARE YOU EVEN ASKING ME THIS?

WHY SHOULD I POSSIBLY CARE?

PSYCHOPATHS GENERALLY WILL NOT EXPERIENCE THESE EMOTIONS.

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Man: THOSE WHO KNOW CHRISTIAN NIELSEN DESCRIBE HIM

AS A BIT ODD, QUIET AND HARDWORKING.

I HEARD THE NEWS THIS MORNING, AND I WAS LIKE,

IS THAT THE SAME CHRISTIAN THAT I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH?

Man: NIELSEN HAD BEEN WORKING AS A COOK AT THE SUDBURY INN

JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE MURDER SCENE

WHERE HE HAD ALSO BEEN LIVING.

Detective: OKAY.

Detective: OKAY.

Termini: I DON'T BELIEVE THAT CHRISTIAN

FELT BAD ABOUT KILLING THE DOG.

ONE HALLMARK THAT WE DO OFTEN SEE

IN PSYCHOPATHS IS AN EARLY ABUSE OF ANIMALS.

IT'S, IN SOME WAYS, A PRACTICE FOR WHAT THEY'RE EVENTUALLY

GONNA DO, BECAUSE THEY'RE LESS LIKELY

TO GET CAUGHT FOR IT, BECAUSE THE ANIMAL'S NOT GONNA

TELL ANYBODY OR SAY ANYTHING,

AND SO ANIMALS ARE OFTEN KIND OF THE GATEWAY INTO, UM,

SOME SORT OF AGGRESSION OR VIOLENCE TOWARDS A PERSON.

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CHRISTIAN KILLING SELBY, UM,

ESSENTIALLY WAS ORPHANING HER CHILDREN.

HER HUSBAND HAD DIED, AND SHE HAD TWO CHILDREN AT HOME,

SO BY KILLING HER, THOSE CHILDREN NOW HAVE

NO PARENTS -- THEY ALSO HAVE NO GRANDMOTHER,

BECAUSE HE HAD ALREADY KILLED HER,

UM, BUT HE DOESN'T CARE.

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[ GUNSHOT BLASTS ]

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TRANSCRIPTS

OR THE SPEECH PATTERNS OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE PSYCHOPATHY,

THEY DON'T USE METAPHOR VERY OFTEN,

THEY'RE VERY CONCRETE, VERY DIRECT,

AND THEY'RE SOMEWHAT CONFUSED WHEN PEOPLE PUSH FOR

THE MEANING OF FEELINGS AND NUANCE,

AND THEY SEEM TO BE PERPLEXED -- TO HIM,

IT MAKES NO SENSE.

IT'S -- IT IS LIKE SPEAKING A TOTALLY DIFFERENT LANGUAGE.

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HE'S, AGAIN, ALMOST FRUSTRATED THAT

SHE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HIS LOGIC,

LIKE, "HOW COULD YOU ASK ME THAT?

WHY WOULD I KILL HIM? HE'S MY DAD."

UM, WHEN WHY WOULDN'T HE KILL HIM?

HE KILLED FOUR OTHER PEOPLE IN THE LAST 48 HOURS.

HE ASSUMES THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE GONNA KIND OF FOLLOW

HIS LOGIC AND FOLLOW HIS LINE OF THINKING WHEN, IN FACT,

HIS LINE THINKING IS COMPLETELY DEVIANT.

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Woman: POLICE SAY 31-YEAR-OLD CHRISTIAN NIELSEN CONFESSED TO

THESE KILLINGS, AND HE'S CHARGED

WITH FOUR COUNTS OF MURDER.

Woman: WHAT HE DID IS WRONG.

THERE WAS NO SENSE IN DOING WHAT HE DID,

AND THEN CAN'T EXPLAIN YOURSELF? NO.

I'M SORRY.

I DO WANT TO AVOID A TRIAL SIMPLY BECAUSE...

THE OUTCOME WOULD BE GUILTY.

I WISH HE WAS DEAD.

Termini: YOU KNOW, IN MANY OF THE PICTURES,

HE LOOKS DIRECTLY AT THE CAMERA AND SMILES.

Morgan: HE IS SMIRKING, BECAUSE HE'S AMUSED

AT THE DEGREE TO WHICH

EVERYONE IS FASCINATED ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING

IN THE FIRST PLACE.

I THINK HE'S THE OUTSIDE OBSERVER SAYING, HUH?

LOOK AT ALL THESE CRAZY HUMANS.

HE'S AMUSED AND FASCINATED BY

THESE STRANGE PEOPLE IN THIS STRANGE WORLD WHO SEEM

TO BE ALL STIRRED UP ABOUT WHAT HE DID.

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