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The thing inside of me, it's like...

the appetite, it's like a wolf that's...

feeling... the hunger.

John describes Nehring

as being crazy.

This drug-dealing criminal that no one wants to mess with.

That is a cultivated persona-- right?

This is impression management,

as we would talk about in-- in psychology.

This is the person that Nehring wants everybody

to think that he is.

Whether he is or isn't is almost inconsequential.

He needs people to believe he is crazy

and willing to do whatever it is that he wants to do

in order to get people to comply.

And ultimately, that's what Nehring wants-- compliance.

Psychopaths are typically very adept at controlling

their body's natural reaction.

They're really good at maintaining composure

in times of significant stress.

The fact that Nehring is sleeping

when all this is happening,

it really gives you a sense of what his character is like.

He is not experiencing the maybe more typical emotions

that someone might feel when they're being taken

in at the police station. He's not indignant about it.

In the beginning,

the investigators-- they have control,

and they're just asking questions.

And then, once they try to bluff him

and-- and pretend that they have this evidence

that they may not have,

Nehring realizes, oh, I need to flip this script.

I need to take control over this interview.

He was being very casual

and kind of laid back until this point.

And now you see he's getting a little more inquisitive.

He's leaned up more in his seat,

and he seems a little more defensive.

And he's going to try to regain control

of the situation by continuing to push

and to poke holes and to be argumentative.

2 We can see that Nehring is trying

to avoid responsibility, essentially by justifying it.

He doesn't realize, though, that he's not doing

himself any favors.

Because as he's having this conversation,

his bravado is just shining through,

and he's talking about the victim

in a very callous way.

None of this would generate some sympathy for him

as being this poor individual that was just threatened,

and that's why he had to do what he did.

There's certainly some animation

that is happening.

He's certainly aroused.

He's certainly excited to describe this thing.

And what you don't see is the story playing out

the way you would typically think would happen

if someone was truly afraid for their lives.

What would he have to be afraid of someone who had--

he had just shot at least once having fallen to the ground?

He liked that he shot him. He enjoyed that he shot him.

He enjoyed shooting him multiple times.

And I think, in his mind, he feels justified

for having done it.

When the detectives just ask a simple follow-up question--

"when were you threatened?" there's an element

where he says, "What do you mean?"

'Cause he was never threatened.

These text messages don't exist.

None of this stuff actually happened.

It was just some narrative that he tried to push

that once it was actually tested,

he had no way of actually confirming.

So it's just another element of the personality

he's put out there is what lie can I tell

in order to get the thing that I want the most

in the moment?

And he'll do and say whatever he has to

in order to get that done.

2 I think Nehring thought his brother

would be able to-- to very easily compartmentalize

like he does, and-- and like a person

with psychopathic traits also would.

They're-- they're really able to have this callous approach,

and-- and not really able to worry about it.

So he lacks empathy.

He doesn't know that, okay, even if I feel this way,

someone else might not feel this way.

Instead, he has the tendency to believe that everyone thinks

the way that he does.

It's not compartmentalization if there's no segmentation.

So for Nehring,

it's-- it's all just one big... blackness.

It's all one big emptiness.

It's all one big not caring.

Someone who compartmentalizes, saying, "Yes, I committed this

"one bad act,

but I can be okay with other people."

They understand the element of caring.

They understand how one loss can impact someone else.

Nehring can't even fake feeling bad for what he did.

That's the coldness that we are experiencing

coming off of him.

And he's finally revealing the truth about what happened.

Nehring is becoming increasingly agitated,

increasingly frustrated,

and this is because he is not succeeding

in winning over the detectives in the story that he is telling.

He starts to really want to know, okay, what do you know?

I need to know what you know so that I can tell you

the right thing.

And I think that's where his agitation is coming from,

is that he's not succeeding.

2 This is the turn that we've all been waiting for,

to finally see the psychopathy really come out.

This is the level of just how much he doesn't care

about Ross as a human being.

This is not a man who feels fear,

not in any way that you or I feel fear.

This is someone who really doesn't care

about another human life.

And the fact that Ross may or may not have owed him money,

it didn't matter.

The fact that Ross was breathing was offensive enough to Nehring

to put five bullets in him, including one

when he was already down and probably dying.

This goes along with his theme of narcissism and grandiosity.

And Nehring thinks that he's judge, jury, and executioner.

Like, it's somehow his role to take out people that,

you know, aren't contributing to society in the way he thinks

they should or that people don't like.

But who is he to do that?

You know, he obviously thinks he has a very important role,

and it's his job, and people should just move on.

A jury is expected to start deliberating today

in an Escambia County murder trial.

Police saying Nicholas Nehring shot and killed Joseph Ross

near the corner store on North 9th Avenue

last January.

Officers believe the shooting was drug-related.